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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: "All Creatures Great and Small" (was: JEW ROSENBURG WINS AGAIN...HANDS
 DOWN (his pants, that is) 
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Joel Rosenberg (joelr@winternet.com) writes:
> In article <44jpbv$q6u@larry.cc.emory.edu> libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:
> 
>>Ronald Schoedel (ChrIdent@cris.com) wrote:
>>: jew-boy@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>>: >In article <44i4sl$h6l@spectator.cris.com> Ronald Schoedel  writes:
> 
>>: >>Arrogant?  Joel the jew?  Les, buddy, you get the award for UNDERSTATE-
>>: >>MENT OF THE YEAR.  jew-boy Joel gets the award for arrogant hymie of the
>>: >>year.
>>: >
>>: >You still haven't answered the question, Ronzo -- Have you stopped fucking 
>>: >your dog yet?
> 
>>: BUT WAIT!  There's more....announcing,the award for JEW WITH THE MOST
>>: DEMENTED ONE-TRACK MIND......(envelope rips open).......
> 
>>:               JEW-EL ROSENBURG!!!!!  (thunderous boos and rotten tomatoes thrown)
> 
>>
> 
>>Uh...Rev?  You still didn't answer the question...
> 
> Shhh.  I think he's hoping nobody notices that he won't answer the question.

Joel, you sure seem to be preoccupied with this human/animal thing.  Are
you trying to tell us something?

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 12:56:33 PDT 1995
Article: 4997 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Mixed race children
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Jew Rosenberg (joelr@winternet.com) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>Sherwin Cho (syc225@nwu.edu) writes:
>>> If you look at portraits, in your yearbook for instance, you'll notice in
>>> many portraits that one eye is slightly shut than the other.  Everyone
>>> seems to have a "dominant" eye.  Most of the time it is the right eye for
>>> right-handed people and the left eye for southpaws.
> 
>>But she wasn't talking about portraits in a yearbook, or dominant eyes. 
>>She was talking about a god-awful looking little hybrid.
> 
> Why it's of any importance  what your right hand, Sylvie, was "talking about", 
> is not entirely clear.
> 
> In any case, as anybody with an IQ above room temperature has noted -- I know, 
> Les; this excuses you; you may leave the class now -- biracial kids are 
> typically very, very cute. 

Yeah, sure.  Cute like my puppy's first outdoor B.M.  Really, Rosie, if
biracial kids are so cute, why are Orthodox jews so opposed to exogamy?

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 12:56:34 PDT 1995
Article: 5009 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The Week In Review, 9/23 to 9/30
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Racial Theorist (xyz@scsn.net) writes:
> folks:
> 
> 	it has been an excellent week for the white race on apw-p.  again, all
> flame wars were won by the white race, and this week out newsgroup
> president, les griswold, gets most of the credit for making idjits and
> monkeys out of the multicultural libs, with the good rev ron, chaplain
> of the newsgroup, lending a lot of support.

Thanks, R.T., but I can't take all of the credit.  After all, debating
with multicult libs is like discussing non-Euclidean geometry with
mongoloid retards:  they just haven't got the equipment upstairs to make
the discussion interesting.

> 	most of the time i stay out of flame wars--there are so many good 
> flamers on the ng there's little need for my help--but about midway
> through the week i noticed that we had a few blacks getting out of
> line on the newsgroup and with great pleasure i gave them a few good
> swift kicks in their sorry black ass.
> 	basically we have not determined whether these blacks are real blacks
> or whether they're liberals in disguise trying to make blacks look
> bad.

Trust me, negroes don't need ANYONE'S help to look bad!

> several of us have discussed it, and we ain't never known any
> real life blacks as dumb as the ones we got here on the newsgroup.
> 	the new supporters of the white race who showed up this week were
> eddie and big daddy.  welcome aboard!!!  and we look forward to them
> having a long stay on apw-p.
> 	And---->  if you want to see a nice looking and well worked out
> homepage, check out reuben's.
> 
> in loyal service to the white race,
> 
> r.c. richards, racial theorist

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 14:34:24 PDT 1995
Article: 208701 of talk.politics.guns
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jews and guns in 1938 Germany (was: Evelyn Hill Is A Fucking Nazi!)
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Michael McGowran (mcgowran@ebi.ac.uk) writes:

(snip)

>> The original German documents are clear enough for the honest person to read
>> and make their own judgment.  I ask them to do so.
>> 
>> The simple fact is that the Reich government ENCOURAGED German citizens to
>> possess firearms for the defense of the Nation.  
> Just as long as they were't Jewish German citizens, huh?

EVERY government has the right to protect itself from its enemies, and
Hitler rightly identified the jews as enemies of his government.  Also,
you might want to remember that Hitler did NOT come to power in a bloody
coup, or by pulling the wool over anyone's eyes).  In any event, even a
jew who could prove a pressing need for a firearm was allowed to own one
in Germany after Hitler's acension to power.  That the Nazis reserved for
themselves the right to determine what constitued "pressing need" in no
way lessens the truth of this fact.

Les
--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 14:34:25 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The ONLY reason for the JPFO...
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Bite Me ATF (staywet@utkvx.utk.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes...
>>.... is so that the jews can say, "Look!  See?  Not all jews are for
>>stricter gun control!"  They're embarrassed by the preponderance of jewish
>>names in the gun-grabbing lobby, like Schumaker and Metzenbaum, and so
>>they've formed a kosher pro-gun group.
> 
> what A BUNCH OF FREAKEN CRAP, 
> 
> and the group is not pro-gun, they are pro freedom/liberty.   The rkba is only
> a means to insure that
> 
>> 
>>It also allows them to play the "Hitler was a gun-grabber!" card.  This
>>simply isn't true.
>> 
> 
> please enlighten me, what is the "truth"?
> one of the best things about jpfo is that they document everything extremmely
> well. so lets see your documentation.

Well, the truth, which you probably won't want to see, can be found on the
National Alliance's webpage, at http://www.natvan.com.  I get the distinct
impression, however, that you won't take me up on it.  You talk a good
game, but from your reaction, anything that doesn't take a worshipful
attitude towards jews is automatically "anti-semitic crap".

Has anyone ever noticed that the worth of a group is determined SOLELY by
that group's attitude towards jews?

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 14:34:26 PDT 1995
Article: 208982 of talk.politics.guns
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Gun laws in 1938 Germany...
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Unfortunately for all of you "Hitler was the granddaddy gun-grabber of all
times!" loons, I happen to have a copy of the gun laws in 1938 Germany. 
The ONLY time the jews are mentioned specifically are under the section on
"Manufacture of Firearms and Ammunition".  In other words, they were kept
>from  becoming involved in the arms trade.

Further on, in the section dealing with the Purchase, Carrying, Ownership
and Import of Weapons and Ammunition, the Act quite specifically lists
people whom are to be denied W.A.P.s, and thus kept from legally buying
handguns:

1)  persons under the age of 18 years;
2)  legally incapacitated or mentally inferior person;
3)  Gypsies or vagabond persons;
4)  persons under mandatory police supervision or who have been relieved
of their civil rights - for as long as these remain under mandatory police
supervision or remain stripped of their civil rights;
5)  persons convicted of treason or high treason, or with respect to whom
known facts justify the assumption that they are engaged in activities
hostile to the state;
6)  persons who, for a deliberate assault on the life or well-being of
others, for breach of the peace or for trespass, for resistance to the
authority of the state, for a criminal offense or misdemeanor, for a
criminal offence against property, for a hunting violation, or for a
fishing violation, were legally sentenced to a term of imprisonment of
more than two weeks, if three years have not yet passed since the term of
imprisonment.

That's IT.  No mention of jews THERE. 

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 14:34:27 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Gun laws in 1938 Germany...
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James F. Mayer (jfma@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes: 
>>
>>Unfortunately for all of you "Hitler was the granddaddy gun-grabber of
> all
>>times!" loons, I happen to have a copy of the gun laws in 1938
> Germany. 
>>The ONLY time the jews are mentioned specifically are under the
> section on
>>"Manufacture of Firearms and Ammunition".  In other words, they were
> kept
>>from becoming involved in the arms trade.
>>
>>Further on, in the section dealing with the Purchase, Carrying,
> Ownership
>>and Import of Weapons and Ammunition, the Act quite specifically lists
>>people whom are to be denied W.A.P.s, and thus kept from legally
> buying
>>handguns:
>>
>>1)  persons under the age of 18 years;
>>2)  legally incapacitated or mentally inferior person;
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>  Read Jews!  The Aryans were considered superior to all other persons,
> thus they could under this provision disarm any group they considered
> inferior which would have been _everyone_ else.
> 
>>3)  Gypsies or vagabond persons;
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Read Jews after they were denied employment!
> 
>>4)  persons under mandatory police supervision or who have been
>>relieved of their civil rights - for as long as these remain under
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> mandatory police supervision or remain stripped of their civil rights;
>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Read Jews!
> 
>>5)  persons convicted of treason or high treason, or with respect to
>>whom known facts justify the assumption that they are engaged in
>>activities hostile to the state;
>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Read Jews!
> 
>>6)  persons who, for a deliberate assault on the life or well-being of
>>others, for breach of the peace or for trespass, for resistance to the
>>authority of the state,                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Read Jews!
> 
>  for a criminal offense or misdemeanor, for a
>>criminal offence against property, for a hunting violation, or for a
>>fishing violation, were legally sentenced to a term of imprisonment of
>>more than two weeks, if three years have not yet passed since the term
> of
>>imprisonment.
>>
>>That's IT.  No mention of jews THERE. 

(snip)
 
> It didn't necessarilly have to mention Jews specifically but by
> including them in particular groups they were denied the right to self
> defense or weapons of any sort.

This is pathetic.  Is it the best you can do?  I'm sure that if Hitler
MEANT jews, he would have SAID jews, quite specifically.  But now we're
supposed to believe that he engaged in the same sort of obfuscation and
double-talk that is normal among politicians today?

Les

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It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 17:42:24 PDT 1995
Article: 10131 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Les and Schoedel:  What do they see in each other, hmm????
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Joel Rosenberg (joelr@winternet.com) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>> 
>>>>Uh...Rev?  You still didn't answer the question...
>>> 
>>> Shhh.  I think he's hoping nobody notices that he won't answer the question.
> 
>>Joel, you sure seem to be preoccupied with this human/animal thing.  Are
>>you trying to tell us something?
> 
> Yeah, I think your Schoedel buddy has something to hide.  You know, like your 
> marriage to your right hand?  

Wow, first he goes on and on and on about bestiality, now he'w dropping
hints about homosexuality and masturbating!  What IS he trying to tell us?

Les


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It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 17:42:25 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: GREAT reasoning powers!
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I really get a belly-laugh out of all the junior Sherlock Holmeses here,
who are whining and kvetching about the mass-mailing of "The Long March". 
The "reasoning" goes something like this:

"Duh, the NAME National Alliance appears in the "From" line, therefore it
REALLY IS from the National Alliance!"

Les

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It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct  2 07:37:24 PDT 1995
Article: 3609 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: You guys are way behind the times...
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It's already common knowledge that "Crusader@National-Alliance.org" is
NOT, repeat NOT, from the actual Head Office, but somebody from sfsu. 
However, like good little automatons, you all choose to ignore it and keep
up with the "National Alliance is in the NAME, so it MUST BE the real
National Alliance!"  Geez, no wonder people dislike the thought of guns
in your hands...

Les
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It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct  2 07:49:45 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: You guys are way behind the times...
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It's already common knowledge that "Crusader@National-Alliance.org" is
NOT, repeat NOT, from the actual Head Office, but somebody from sfsu. 
However, like good little automatons, you all choose to ignore it and keep
up with the "National Alliance is in the NAME, so it MUST BE the real
National Alliance!"  Geez, no wonder people dislike the thought of guns
in your hands...

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct  2 09:33:30 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: EVERYONE hates negroes! (was: Why negroes cry racism...)
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aria (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:

(snip)

>    "white" people are not the only racists.  many asians are very
> prejudiced against "blacks" as well.  hell, many "blacks" are prejdiced
> against "blacks".

This widespread dislike of negroes should tell you something...

Les


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It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct  2 10:45:46 PDT 1995
Article: 10209 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Crazy Jeannie likes bestiality too, it seems! (was: JEW ROSENBURG
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WINS AGAIN...HANDS DOWN (his pants, that is) 
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Crazy Jeannie "I like animals" Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu)
writes: 

(snip)

Rev. Ron:
> * Yes yes yes...Jew-el Rosenburg seems to have this pre-occupation with 
> * bestial sex.  You guys ever notice it's ALL this pervo ever thinks
> * about or writes in his weenie posts.

> Maybe Joel and I will get together and write a book or a screenplay about
> you! The "Doogie Hauser" actor is still in the business . . .

I'm sure that you wanna "get together" with Jew Rosenboig, but I doubt
that it's to write a book...

> Wassamatta, Rhonda? Are your black lacy panties getting all bunched up
> again? Are you having trouble squeezing your hairy toes into the 5"
> stiletto heels that your boyfriend likes so well? Which do you prefer,
> Rhonda? Playing the passive role for your boyfriend or getting your
> doggies to perform on command? Have you been vaccinated for Kennel Cough?

Is this preoccupation with animals endemic among liberals?  Also, Crazy,
you might wanna take notes:  the above is a classic example of the "I know
you are, but what am I?" retort.  Surely, even YOU can do better.

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct  2 13:21:54 PDT 1995
Article: 3631 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Aria:  one mad negro! (was: Why negroes cry racism...)
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aria (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:

(snip)

>    you say that "blacks" have received restitution?  in what way? 
> so-called "emancipation?"  emancipation to do what?  become paid, rather
> than free-labor slaves?  make clear for me where "whites" have WILLINGLY
> given blacks (pre-civil rights) anything of value in this country without
> some sort of a fight.

"Fight".  Ha.  A bunch of recalcitrant negroes organizing "Freedom
Marches" is not fighting, boy.  Get real.

> i laid SOME blame on the white community; are you
> now saying that "whites" are not in any way responsible for their "black"
> brethren?

And you're saying that we ARE responsible for ALL negroes, including the
lazy, unproductive, thieves and criminals?

> must have mistaken you for a someone else!
> 
>     STOP STEREOTYPING ALL MINORITIES BASED ON WHAT YOU READ AND SEE ON
> TV.  not all asians are rocket-scientists, not all jews are misers, not
> all hispanics are gangbangers or migrant workers who don't speak english. 
> (and i'll bet you don't even have a sterotype for the native-americans,
> because they have yet to be considered enough of a threat to "white"
> america to be featured).  alcoholism, perhaps; that's the one i've heard
> of...
> 
>    and who the fuck said i wanted to earn the respect of america?  did
> martin luther king earn the respect of america?

Holy fuck.  I can't BELIEVE that you're so ignorant of basic facts.  King
is ADORED by the government.  If the U.S.A. was a theocracy, you can bet
that they'd saint him.

(snip)
 
>    so fuck you if you are to ignorant to see the truth.  "whites males"
> are predominately (note that i said "predominately, and not wholly)
> responsible for the destitution of the "black" (and almost all other
> minority) community in modern society;

No, laziness and an unwillingness to take responsibility are the problems
facing the negro community.

> do not lie to wash your hands of
> your fellow man's ills.  i stand firm on this now (thanks in part, i
> suppose, to you).  this does not mean that i hold "whites" responsible for
> MY life, but since 9 out of 10 of my relatives live in the ghetto, pardon
> me if i assert that there seems to be some sort of bias in the system.
> 
>    the "white male" sytem...i might add.
> 
>    (ask yourself "shawn": how many of your relatives live in the ghetto? 
> and if so, do they do so by choice...or were they born into such poverty
> and hopelessness?)

Blah, blah, blah... because your relatives are too lazy and/or stupid to
better themselves is proof of NOTHING.
 
Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct  3 08:57:43 PDT 1995
Article: 10282 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: National Alliance info
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Chris Morton (cmort@hathcok.nshore.org) writes:
> In  bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie 
> Charbonneau) wrote:
> 
>>I know that there has been a lot of noise about a mailing sent by someone
>>at "national-alliance.org", that turned out to be a hoax by someone at
>>sfu.  For the real story on the National Alliance, call the answering
>>service nearest you.
> 
> I would no more call this shambling mob of anencephalic stooges than I would 
> call NAMBLA... of course I'm sure their membership roles have considerable 
> overlap....

So, I take it that means that we should be expecting your call anytime now?

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct  3 13:53:34 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Crazy Jeannie likes bestiality too, it seems! (was: JEW ROSENBURG
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I confess. I like animals. Rob and I were spotted at the grocery
> store buying a jumbo sized bag of Atta Cat catfood and a box of Vitabone
> dog biscuits today. We not only feed our own pets, but we also feed a
> family of outdoor cats whose owners dumped them by our property. We have
> birdhouses and feeders, too. A family of racoons occasionally stops by for
> a snack and to climb our trees. We once had some squirrels on our
> property, but our cats killed them. 
>
> What's your fucking point, Les?
 
Same as always:  you're a fucking idiot, and you think
"alt.politics.white-power" is another way of saying
"alt.share.your.miscegenation.fantasies".

(snip)

Crazy:
> * > Wassamatta, Rhonda? Are your black lacy panties getting all bunched up
> * > again? Are you having trouble squeezing your hairy toes into the 5"
> * > stiletto heels that your boyfriend likes so well? Which do you prefer,
> * > Rhonda? Playing the passive role for your boyfriend or getting your
> * > doggies to perform on command? Have you been vaccinated for Kennel Cough?
> * 
> * Is this preoccupation with animals endemic among liberals?  Also, Crazy,
> * you might wanna take notes:  the above is a classic example of the "I know
> * you are, but what am I?" retort.  Surely, even YOU can do better.
> 
> FOAD, cockroach-boy. Actually, I just wrote about a few things that he
> probably had to have explained to him by a grownup. You must feel pretty
> good being the rolemodel for these ignorant redneck kids, doncha? You are
> running around wiping Ronnie's nose and heinie everytime he writes
> something stupid, and you think of it as your profession. Speaking of
> profession, why don't you tell us about your dayjob, or are you still a
> bottom-feeding social parasite of the Canadian welfare system?

Whatever turns you on, Crazy.  Unlike you, I don't believe in coming on
these NGs and boo-hooing about how rotten my life is, which I couldn't do
anyway, because my life is pretty good.
 
> BTW, cockroach-boy -- why are you once again butting your fat head (proof
> of Aryan intelligence, heh) into something that was not written to or
> about you? Are you now the official spokesperson for Brother Blasphemy?
> Did he send you an e-mail saying, "Boo-hoo-hoo. Protect me from that mean
> ol' Jeanne, 'cos I'm such a sniveling little wimp that I can't speak up
> for myself anymore."?

Wouldn't you like to know?
 
Les


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It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct  3 13:54:51 PDT 1995
Article: 3701 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Aria:  one mad negro! (was: Why negroes cry racism...)
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Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : >    you say that "blacks" have received restitution?  in what way? 
> : > so-called "emancipation?"  emancipation to do what?  become paid, rather
> : > than free-labor slaves?  make clear for me where "whites" have WILLINGLY
> : > given blacks (pre-civil rights) anything of value in this country without
> : > some sort of a fight.
> 
> : "Fight".  Ha.  A bunch of recalcitrant negroes organizing "Freedom
> : Marches" is not fighting, boy.  Get real.
> 
> Les, have you ever seen photos of Birmingham, 1965?  Fire hoses and 
> attack dogs unleashed upon peaceful protesters of all ages, including 
> many women?  How about the hundreds, maybe thousands (I don't have 
> numbers offhand) of lynchings which occurred in the South between the 
> Civil War and LBJ?

And how about the hundreds, maybe thousands, of White people who have been
killed in slave revolts, and negro violence SINCE Emancipation?
 
Les


--
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persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct  4 06:50:21 PDT 1995
Article: 3725 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Crazy Jeannie:  what a hoot!
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

(snip - Crazy telling us what a kind, loving person she is because she
loves animals, and hates her own race)

> * > What's your fucking point, Les?
> *  
> * Same as always:  you're a fucking idiot, and you think
> * "alt.politics.white-power" is another way of saying
> * "alt.share.your.miscegenation.fantasies".
> 
> That's quite a statement coming from an self-aggrandized piece of trash,
> who fancies himself to be part of the master race. 

Crazy, all this billing and cooing isn't going to work, I know deep down
you really like me...

(snip again - Crazy speculating about my employment)

> * Whatever turns you on, Crazy.  Unlike you, I don't believe in coming on
> * these NGs and boo-hooing about how rotten my life is, which I couldn't do
> * anyway, because my life is pretty good.
> 
> Yeah, between living off the government and collecting money from other
> insecure white trash assholes, you can just sit around and spew garbage
> all day. I'll bet you make your family proud. Not every family can claim a
> running sore on the buttocks of humanity as one of their own kin.

But enough about me, let's talk about you... the fact remains, you have an
alarming tendency to think that people actually CARE about your personal
life, and that therefore EVERYONE wants to be as tedious as you.
  
Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct  4 06:50:36 PDT 1995
Article: 5139 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Crazy Jeannie:  what a hoot!
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

(snip - Crazy telling us what a kind, loving person she is because she
loves animals, and hates her own race)

> * > What's your fucking point, Les?
> *  
> * Same as always:  you're a fucking idiot, and you think
> * "alt.politics.white-power" is another way of saying
> * "alt.share.your.miscegenation.fantasies".
> 
> That's quite a statement coming from an self-aggrandized piece of trash,
> who fancies himself to be part of the master race. 

Crazy, all this billing and cooing isn't going to work, I know deep down
you really like me...

(snip again - Crazy speculating about my employment)

> * Whatever turns you on, Crazy.  Unlike you, I don't believe in coming on
> * these NGs and boo-hooing about how rotten my life is, which I couldn't do
> * anyway, because my life is pretty good.
> 
> Yeah, between living off the government and collecting money from other
> insecure white trash assholes, you can just sit around and spew garbage
> all day. I'll bet you make your family proud. Not every family can claim a
> running sore on the buttocks of humanity as one of their own kin.

But enough about me, let's talk about you... the fact remains, you have an
alarming tendency to think that people actually CARE about your personal
life, and that therefore EVERYONE wants to be as tedious as you.
  
Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct  4 07:38:31 PDT 1995
Article: 3735 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Million man march?  Ha!
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I think the best thing to counter the Million Man March would be a
50-million White Man March, to show the country how much the economy
depends on WHITES.  Of course, this would be decried left, right and
center by the media, but who cares?

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct  4 07:38:32 PDT 1995
Article: 3737 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Fun games you can play!
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1)  Go into your cupboards, and count how many of the items are kosher.

2)  Pay "Spot the Minority" while watching television.

3)  When a "person of colour" (snicker) asks you for directions, put on a
happy face and send him on a wild goose chase.

That's just for starters.  Anyone else got any ideas for how a White
Nationalist can pass the time in our happy multicultural society?

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Oct  5 16:17:35 PDT 1995
Article: 3758 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: National Alliance info
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Jew Rosenboig (joelr@winternet.com) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>> 
>>> I would no more call this shambling mob of anencephalic stooges than I would 
>>> call NAMBLA... of course I'm sure their membership roles have considerable 
>>> overlap....
> 
>>So, I take it that means that we should be expecting your call anytime now?
> 
> You recruiting for NAMBLA again, Lester?

Jojo, where ya been?!?  We've missed your insightful, witty commentary!

It's reassuring to know that you've always got an opinion on something,
even if it's pedophilia, bestiality or homosexuality, and even if it's to
seek out fellow-practitioners of the finer arts.

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Oct  5 16:17:37 PDT 1995
Article: 3759 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: O.J. offed Nicole... so what?
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There's been an awful lot of hand-wringing and moaning about "the race
card" in the O.J. fiasco, but no-one asks if we've lost anything because a
big black buck offed his renegadish, slutty wife.  To my mind, a white
slut who gives herself to a negro (even a mulatto like O.J.) and bears his
pickaninnies (hi, Crazy!) deserves whatever she gets when the nigger goes
berserk, which is inevitable.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct  6 09:51:07 PDT 1995
Article: 10439 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Mortie...
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(snip)

Chris Morton writes:

(snip)

>	What's the matter, Nazi-wannabe, did someone send email to
>	root@freenet.carleton.ca complaining about your stupid
>	spam?

:And I have ABSOLUTELY no idea who would have done THAT...! :)

... and in another message, wrote:

(snip - Mortie comparing the National Alliance with NAMBLA)

>So, I take it that means that we should be expecting your call anytime now?

:My call to the FBI and RCMP about the above mentioned activities?

Cripes, Mortie, you sound like Mike Beebe, with all this sneaking-about
behaviour.  Gee, don't you have egg on your face now, eh boy?

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct  6 09:51:08 PDT 1995
Article: 10444 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: National Alliance info
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Jew Rosenboig (joelr@winternet.com) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>Chris Morton (cmort@hathcok.nshore.org) writes:
> 
>>(snip - Mortie comparing the National Alliance to NAMBLA)
> 
>>Moi:
>>>>So, I take it that means that we should be expecting your call anytime now?
> 
>>> So then by the above, you admit that the National Alliance is a collection of 
>>> pedophiles?
> 
>>Nope.  I've just long ago realized the futility of arguing
> 
> Apparently; you long ago shifted over to impotent raging, Leshole.

Nice edit, jew, but you may want to avoid the practice of cutting people
off in mid-sentence:  it might give the impression that jews are less than
completely honest in their dealings with people who disagree with them. 
Of course, we KNOW that's not true, don't we?

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct  6 10:02:48 PDT 1995
Article: 3783 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Fun games you can play!
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Racial Theorist (xyz@scsn.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>1)  Go into your cupboards, and count how many of the items are kosher.
> 
>>2)  Pay "Spot the Minority" while watching television.
> 
>>3)  When a "person of colour" (snicker) asks you for directions, put on a
>>happy face and send him on a wild goose chase.
> 
>>That's just for starters.  Anyone else got any ideas for how a White
>>Nationalist can pass the time in our happy multicultural society?
> 
> this sounds like this can be a fun game.  around here we're always
> coming up with some kind of a trickery on the blacks.  such as
> whenever i knock on a black person's door and they ask who it is
> through the door, i yell, "it's the po-lice!" and that always pretty
> much scares the hell out of them and you can get a good laugh out of
> it.  one time a couple years ago me and ted were taking a break from
> studying and we came up with the idea of calling up some black people
> and telling them there had been a train wreck in their area and some
> gorillas on their way to the zoo had got loose and they needed to stay
> inside and get their kids inside, and we told them what radio they had
> to stay tuned in to--we picked a country music station--that would
> tell them when the gorillas were caught, and that they needed to stay
> inside until they heard the gorillas were caught on the radio or until
> we called them back.
> there's other tricks we've played on nigras, but that's all i can
> remember right now.
> 
> in loyal service to the white race,
> 
> r.c. richards, racial theorist

It's sorta like shooting fish in a barrel, though, to take advantage of
the negro "intelligence".  The negro is not our main problem, anyway; the
main problem is the jew.  The negro is just one of the weapons the jew is
using to attempt to destroy the White race.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct  6 10:02:49 PDT 1995
Article: 3793 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Fun games you can play!
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Rob "I'm a man, honest!" Kowalewski (robk@Teleport.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> 1)  Go into your cupboards, and count how many of the items are kosher.
>> 
>> 2)  Pay "Spot the Minority" while watching television.
>> 
>> 3)  When a "person of colour" (snicker) asks you for directions, put on a
>> happy face and send him on a wild goose chase.
>> 
>> That's just for starters.  Anyone else got any ideas for how a White
>> Nationalist can pass the time in our happy multicultural society?
> 
> Yeah! You can come forth with the "Rob's pussywhipped" evidence. Or you
> could admit that it was a lie, and stated without you knowing anything
> about me, or anything else, for that matter.

That really got under your skin, eh, Rob?

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct  6 10:02:50 PDT 1995
Article: 3794 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Slimy positions... (was: O.J. offed Nicole... so what?)
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Jew Rosenboig (joelr@winternet.com) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>There's been an awful lot of hand-wringing and moaning about "the race
>>card" in the O.J. fiasco, but no-one asks if we've lost anything because a
>>big black buck offed his renegadish, slutty wife.  To my mind, a white
>>slut who gives herself to a negro (even a mulatto like O.J.) and bears his
>>pickaninnies (hi, Crazy!) deserves whatever she gets when the nigger goes
>>berserk, which is inevitable.
> 
> You know, Les, you can always be counted on to take the slimiest possible 
> position whenever you poke your snout out from under your rock.

Slimy positions, Jojo?  Naw, I leave those to your ambulance-chasing,
Talmud reading brethren.

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct  6 10:02:51 PDT 1995
Article: 3800 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Got this stupid e-mail today...
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Normally, I just delete stupid e-mail, and don't think that I'm
changing my habits, but this one was such a gem, and so indicative of
liberal thinking, that I HAD to save it and post it here.  Gee, I hope
Adamski (who's apparently too stupid to tell the difference between
posting a reply, and e-mailing one) doesn't mind too much!

>bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>There's a big to-do about O.J. getting off because he was rich, as if
>>everyone is afraid to accept the fact that he walked because he was BLACK.
>
>Let's take a look at the facts here.  There were two white women on the 
>jury: one was a college graduate who felt that DNA testing was "somewhat
>reliable" and that it would "hold some value" while the other was a juror on another murder case.  The initial vote was 11-1 for acq=
>uittal; she was the lone holdout.  The final vote got a CONVICTION.  

Have you ever heard of intimidation?  There were TWO White WOMEN on the
jury, and NINE blacks, at least some of whom were male.

>If race was such a defining factor, why didn't these two press for conviction, or, at the very least, a hung jury?  They don't seem =
>to be the type of people who would be easily swayed by popular opinion.

And you know these women well, do you?

>Another fact:  cities with majority black populations such as Washington, D.C., routinely have cases with majority black juries deci=
>ding on a black defendant.  Race usually plays little or no role in their decision as these juries DO send their "brothers" and "sis=
>ters" to prison when the evidednce deems it so.  Conversely, it is usually the ALL-WHITE juries that tend to acquit a white defendan=
>t who has committed a crime against a non-White.  (Remember Mississippi and Alabama in the 50's and 60's?  Remember the Rodney King =
>trial?)

The '50s and '60s were a long time ago, but it seems to me that you really
look forward to a return to the racial turmoil that characterized those years.

As for the Rodney King fiasco, the same argument applies there that we are
beginning to see with the O.J. Simpson trial:  the jury reached a
conclusion BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THEY SAW, and it shouldn't be questioned.
 Yes, I remember the first Rodney King trial, and the damage that
followed:  a BILLION dollars worth of property damage, and FIFTY-THREE
dead, all over one drunk negro motorist getting whacked too much.

>One last point.  It is far more compelling to me that a jury of 10 women freed O.J., an acknowledged wife-beater.  It would seem to =
>me that if the evidence were there, that a majority of women would have voted to convict such a man.

You apparently seem to think that all women think alike, and that no woman
can be intimidated by anyone else.  Well, I've got some news for you,
Adamski:  women DO make mistakes in judging situations, sometimes fatal
ones.  The fact that Nicole stuck around as long as she did obviously
means nothing to you, does it?

As a final note, please post these messages on public boards, and do not
send them via e-mail.  Normally, I don't respond to such crap in e-mail,
but in this case I thought I'd make an exception.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct  6 10:03:25 PDT 1995
Article: 5198 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Fun games you can play!
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Racial Theorist (xyz@scsn.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>1)  Go into your cupboards, and count how many of the items are kosher.
> 
>>2)  Pay "Spot the Minority" while watching television.
> 
>>3)  When a "person of colour" (snicker) asks you for directions, put on a
>>happy face and send him on a wild goose chase.
> 
>>That's just for starters.  Anyone else got any ideas for how a White
>>Nationalist can pass the time in our happy multicultural society?
> 
> this sounds like this can be a fun game.  around here we're always
> coming up with some kind of a trickery on the blacks.  such as
> whenever i knock on a black person's door and they ask who it is
> through the door, i yell, "it's the po-lice!" and that always pretty
> much scares the hell out of them and you can get a good laugh out of
> it.  one time a couple years ago me and ted were taking a break from
> studying and we came up with the idea of calling up some black people
> and telling them there had been a train wreck in their area and some
> gorillas on their way to the zoo had got loose and they needed to stay
> inside and get their kids inside, and we told them what radio they had
> to stay tuned in to--we picked a country music station--that would
> tell them when the gorillas were caught, and that they needed to stay
> inside until they heard the gorillas were caught on the radio or until
> we called them back.
> there's other tricks we've played on nigras, but that's all i can
> remember right now.
> 
> in loyal service to the white race,
> 
> r.c. richards, racial theorist

It's sorta like shooting fish in a barrel, though, to take advantage of
the negro "intelligence".  The negro is not our main problem, anyway; the
main problem is the jew.  The negro is just one of the weapons the jew is
using to attempt to destroy the White race.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct  6 10:03:26 PDT 1995
Article: 5209 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Fun games you can play!
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Rob "I'm a man, honest!" Kowalewski (robk@Teleport.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> 1)  Go into your cupboards, and count how many of the items are kosher.
>> 
>> 2)  Pay "Spot the Minority" while watching television.
>> 
>> 3)  When a "person of colour" (snicker) asks you for directions, put on a
>> happy face and send him on a wild goose chase.
>> 
>> That's just for starters.  Anyone else got any ideas for how a White
>> Nationalist can pass the time in our happy multicultural society?
> 
> Yeah! You can come forth with the "Rob's pussywhipped" evidence. Or you
> could admit that it was a lie, and stated without you knowing anything
> about me, or anything else, for that matter.

That really got under your skin, eh, Rob?

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct  6 10:03:27 PDT 1995
Article: 5215 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Got this stupid e-mail today...
Message-ID: 
Sender: bn946@freenet3.carleton.ca (Les Griswold)
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Normally, I just delete stupid e-mail, and don't think that I'm
changing my habits, but this one was such a gem, and so indicative of
liberal thinking, that I HAD to save it and post it here.  Gee, I hope
Adamski (who's apparently too stupid to tell the difference between
posting a reply, and e-mailing one) doesn't mind too much!

>bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>There's a big to-do about O.J. getting off because he was rich, as if
>>everyone is afraid to accept the fact that he walked because he was BLACK.
>
>Let's take a look at the facts here.  There were two white women on the 
>jury: one was a college graduate who felt that DNA testing was "somewhat
>reliable" and that it would "hold some value" while the other was a juror on another murder case.  The initial vote was 11-1 for acq=
>uittal; she was the lone holdout.  The final vote got a CONVICTION.  

Have you ever heard of intimidation?  There were TWO White WOMEN on the
jury, and NINE blacks, at least some of whom were male.

>If race was such a defining factor, why didn't these two press for conviction, or, at the very least, a hung jury?  They don't seem =
>to be the type of people who would be easily swayed by popular opinion.

And you know these women well, do you?

>Another fact:  cities with majority black populations such as Washington, D.C., routinely have cases with majority black juries deci=
>ding on a black defendant.  Race usually plays little or no role in their decision as these juries DO send their "brothers" and "sis=
>ters" to prison when the evidednce deems it so.  Conversely, it is usually the ALL-WHITE juries that tend to acquit a white defendan=
>t who has committed a crime against a non-White.  (Remember Mississippi and Alabama in the 50's and 60's?  Remember the Rodney King =
>trial?)

The '50s and '60s were a long time ago, but it seems to me that you really
look forward to a return to the racial turmoil that characterized those years.

As for the Rodney King fiasco, the same argument applies there that we are
beginning to see with the O.J. Simpson trial:  the jury reached a
conclusion BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THEY SAW, and it shouldn't be questioned.
 Yes, I remember the first Rodney King trial, and the damage that
followed:  a BILLION dollars worth of property damage, and FIFTY-THREE
dead, all over one drunk negro motorist getting whacked too much.

>One last point.  It is far more compelling to me that a jury of 10 women freed O.J., an acknowledged wife-beater.  It would seem to =
>me that if the evidence were there, that a majority of women would have voted to convict such a man.

You apparently seem to think that all women think alike, and that no woman
can be intimidated by anyone else.  Well, I've got some news for you,
Adamski:  women DO make mistakes in judging situations, sometimes fatal
ones.  The fact that Nicole stuck around as long as she did obviously
means nothing to you, does it?

As a final note, please post these messages on public boards, and do not
send them via e-mail.  Normally, I don't respond to such crap in e-mail,
but in this case I thought I'd make an exception.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct  6 18:06:29 PDT 1995
Article: 3856 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Million man march?  Ha!
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"Spesnaz 2.1" (urban@kaiwan.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>
>>I think the best thing to counter the Million Man March would be a
>>50-million White Man March, to show the country how much the economy
>>depends on WHITES.  Of course, this would be decried left, right and
>>center by the media, but who cares?
>>
>>You are dreaming fool...the most popular export to the entire world is American popular culture, meaning music,entertainment,style,=
> etc..those things are usually black authored...what cultural item worth considering is being sent to the world expect your worthless=
>  and silly racist ideas?

Wow!  Guess he told ME, huh?!? But he can't spell or string a coherent
sentence!

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Oct  7 08:32:11 PDT 1995
Article: 3888 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: O.J. offed Nicole... so what?
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote: 

(snip)

> * WHAT WHITE WOMEN WHO MARRY WHITE-SUPREMACIST MEN CAN EXPECT:
> * 
> * 1)  A man who loves them and reveres them.
> 
> Of course he will, as long as she does not:
> 
>     * disagree with anything that he says, 
>     * show any sign that she may have more intelligence or knowledge,
>     * want any autonomy in her beliefs and activities,
>     * want to be considered and respected as an equal, or
>     * forget to stay in her "place"  at all times.

Crazy, Crazy, Crazy...

You really MUST stop this equating of your ex with REAL White
Supremacists, you realize this, don't you?  I mean, besides making you
look like a complete fool because you blow on here with "I know what WS
types are REALLY like, 'cause I was married to a knuckle-dragger for two years
before I got up the gumption to leave him, even though he beat me!", and
it just shows your ignorance in ever and ever greater clarity. 

> * 2)  A man who will NOT put up with any kind of liberal crap.
  
> Your definition of liberal is anyone who disagrees with you.

Is not.  My defeinition of liberal is anyone who is too stupid or cowardly
to face reality.  I can see, though, where it makes you feel better to
pretend that I just call ANYONE I don't like a "liberal".  Tain't so.

> What is the
> definition of "NOT PUT UP WITH"? You think it's okay for a man to hit ME.
> What about other women, Les? What is a WS man entitled to do to his woman?

Not a whole hell of a lot.  It's boorish to hit women in general, but I
would be more upset about my friend smacking his wife than I would be
about YOU getting a whallop or two.  See, you're a provacative bitch, and
while I won't go the "if a woman gets hit, she deserves it" route, I WILL
admit that men can sometimes be pushed into things that they normally
wouldn't do.

> * 3)  A MAN, period.
> 
> I don't know if you judge masculinity by your propensity to order people
> around or by the size of your dick. In any case, I am not impressed by
> you, cockroach-boy. You're just a pathetic and insecure little bigot, who
> stomps around the internet trying to prove that you're a man.

Nope, I judge masculinity by some criteria that you wouldn't understand. 
Anyway, I don't believe in blowing my own horn too much, so why don't you
ask SYLVIE what sort of husband she has?  That is, if you can stand the
comparison with the limp-noodle you have.
 
> * You shouldn't have asked, Crazy, 'cause now you're gonna get all jealous
> * and start ranting again.  I actually feel sorry for Rob, who's gonna have
> * to put up with your bitchiness for the next little while.
> 
> PULEEZE -- the person we should feel sorry for here is Sylvie (if she even
> exists). After all, you get slapped around by me every stinkin' day in the
> newsgroups, and everyone is laughing at you.

Yeah, you just slap me around SO MUCH.

> If a woman is causing you
> this much public embarassment, then you would naturally vent any
> frustrations on the ones closest to you.

So, by your own admission, Sylvie takes the brunt of my frustration, yet
you STILL keep on provoking me, knowing full well that I probably smack my
wife around?  You're a cruel, cold-hearted bitch, Crazy.
 
> * BTW, the only one who bore any "squalling infants" to "knuckle-draggers"
> * is YOU, by your own admission.  So who's crying now, asshole?
> 
> Ah, they may have been spawned by a knuckle-dragger, but Rob has been
> their daddy most of their lives. Both of my kids learned to walk upright
> and think for themselves under the loving care of their "liberal" parents.
> BTW, on Fathers Day, Rob received a card and gift from them, and the
> knuckle-dragger didn't even receive a second thought.

*yawn*  Crazy, this is the sort of thing I've been talking about:  we
don't CARE about your personal life.  You know, I'm beginning to doubt
you, your life reads too much like one of those little homilies one can
pick up in any book store.
 
Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Oct  7 08:32:12 PDT 1995
Article: 3889 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Crazy Jeannie:  what a hoot!
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> 
> [snip] 
> 
> * > That's quite a statement coming from an self-aggrandized piece of trash,
> * > who fancies himself to be part of the master race. 
> * 
> * Crazy, all this billing and cooing isn't going to work, I know deep down
> * you really like me...
> 
> FOAD, cockroach-boy. I'd like you to dress up in brown and go skulking
> around in the woods in my state for the next few weeks. Do you know how to
> make deer sounds, Les? (Hunting season just opened last weekend.) Many of
> my family members would love to get a White Tail this year, and would be
> happy to have your fat head stuffed and mounted on their wall beside their
> other trophies.

Sure, sure, Crazy, you may TALK like you want me to be shot, but I'm
familiar with the psychology of pre-teens.  See, when I taught children, a
LOT of the pre-teen girls would develop a crush on me, and I've also seen
OTHER guys have pre-teen girls swooning over them.  Of course, when they
were ASKED about it, they'd pretend that they really HATED the person that
they loved.  Which brings me to my next point...

I'm really starting to doubt the veracity of Crazy's claims as to her age,
marital status, etc., in sort, everything she says here.  I really think
that she's a 12- or 13-year-old girl, probably not too attractive, hoping
to get the love and attention that she so desperately craves here.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Oct  7 08:32:13 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: O.J. offed Nicole... so what?
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bw (bw@worldimage.com) writes:
> In article ,
>    bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>pickaninnies (hi, Crazy!) deserves whatever she gets when the 
>>nigger goes berserk, which is inevitable.
> 
> How do you feel about the murder of Ron Goldman?

He was a jew.  Take it from there.

Les



--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Oct  7 08:33:17 PDT 1995
Article: 5298 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: O.J. offed Nicole... so what?
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote: 

(snip)

> * WHAT WHITE WOMEN WHO MARRY WHITE-SUPREMACIST MEN CAN EXPECT:
> * 
> * 1)  A man who loves them and reveres them.
> 
> Of course he will, as long as she does not:
> 
>     * disagree with anything that he says, 
>     * show any sign that she may have more intelligence or knowledge,
>     * want any autonomy in her beliefs and activities,
>     * want to be considered and respected as an equal, or
>     * forget to stay in her "place"  at all times.

Crazy, Crazy, Crazy...

You really MUST stop this equating of your ex with REAL White
Supremacists, you realize this, don't you?  I mean, besides making you
look like a complete fool because you blow on here with "I know what WS
types are REALLY like, 'cause I was married to a knuckle-dragger for two years
before I got up the gumption to leave him, even though he beat me!", and
it just shows your ignorance in ever and ever greater clarity. 

> * 2)  A man who will NOT put up with any kind of liberal crap.
  
> Your definition of liberal is anyone who disagrees with you.

Is not.  My defeinition of liberal is anyone who is too stupid or cowardly
to face reality.  I can see, though, where it makes you feel better to
pretend that I just call ANYONE I don't like a "liberal".  Tain't so.

> What is the
> definition of "NOT PUT UP WITH"? You think it's okay for a man to hit ME.
> What about other women, Les? What is a WS man entitled to do to his woman?

Not a whole hell of a lot.  It's boorish to hit women in general, but I
would be more upset about my friend smacking his wife than I would be
about YOU getting a whallop or two.  See, you're a provacative bitch, and
while I won't go the "if a woman gets hit, she deserves it" route, I WILL
admit that men can sometimes be pushed into things that they normally
wouldn't do.

> * 3)  A MAN, period.
> 
> I don't know if you judge masculinity by your propensity to order people
> around or by the size of your dick. In any case, I am not impressed by
> you, cockroach-boy. You're just a pathetic and insecure little bigot, who
> stomps around the internet trying to prove that you're a man.

Nope, I judge masculinity by some criteria that you wouldn't understand. 
Anyway, I don't believe in blowing my own horn too much, so why don't you
ask SYLVIE what sort of husband she has?  That is, if you can stand the
comparison with the limp-noodle you have.
 
> * You shouldn't have asked, Crazy, 'cause now you're gonna get all jealous
> * and start ranting again.  I actually feel sorry for Rob, who's gonna have
> * to put up with your bitchiness for the next little while.
> 
> PULEEZE -- the person we should feel sorry for here is Sylvie (if she even
> exists). After all, you get slapped around by me every stinkin' day in the
> newsgroups, and everyone is laughing at you.

Yeah, you just slap me around SO MUCH.

> If a woman is causing you
> this much public embarassment, then you would naturally vent any
> frustrations on the ones closest to you.

So, by your own admission, Sylvie takes the brunt of my frustration, yet
you STILL keep on provoking me, knowing full well that I probably smack my
wife around?  You're a cruel, cold-hearted bitch, Crazy.
 
> * BTW, the only one who bore any "squalling infants" to "knuckle-draggers"
> * is YOU, by your own admission.  So who's crying now, asshole?
> 
> Ah, they may have been spawned by a knuckle-dragger, but Rob has been
> their daddy most of their lives. Both of my kids learned to walk upright
> and think for themselves under the loving care of their "liberal" parents.
> BTW, on Fathers Day, Rob received a card and gift from them, and the
> knuckle-dragger didn't even receive a second thought.

*yawn*  Crazy, this is the sort of thing I've been talking about:  we
don't CARE about your personal life.  You know, I'm beginning to doubt
you, your life reads too much like one of those little homilies one can
pick up in any book store.
 
Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Oct  7 08:33:18 PDT 1995
Article: 5299 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Crazy Jeannie:  what a hoot!
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> 
> [snip] 
> 
> * > That's quite a statement coming from an self-aggrandized piece of trash,
> * > who fancies himself to be part of the master race. 
> * 
> * Crazy, all this billing and cooing isn't going to work, I know deep down
> * you really like me...
> 
> FOAD, cockroach-boy. I'd like you to dress up in brown and go skulking
> around in the woods in my state for the next few weeks. Do you know how to
> make deer sounds, Les? (Hunting season just opened last weekend.) Many of
> my family members would love to get a White Tail this year, and would be
> happy to have your fat head stuffed and mounted on their wall beside their
> other trophies.

Sure, sure, Crazy, you may TALK like you want me to be shot, but I'm
familiar with the psychology of pre-teens.  See, when I taught children, a
LOT of the pre-teen girls would develop a crush on me, and I've also seen
OTHER guys have pre-teen girls swooning over them.  Of course, when they
were ASKED about it, they'd pretend that they really HATED the person that
they loved.  Which brings me to my next point...

I'm really starting to doubt the veracity of Crazy's claims as to her age,
marital status, etc., in sort, everything she says here.  I really think
that she's a 12- or 13-year-old girl, probably not too attractive, hoping
to get the love and attention that she so desperately craves here.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Oct  7 08:33:19 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: O.J. offed Nicole... so what?
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bw (bw@worldimage.com) writes:
> In article ,
>    bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>pickaninnies (hi, Crazy!) deserves whatever she gets when the 
>>nigger goes berserk, which is inevitable.
> 
> How do you feel about the murder of Ron Goldman?

He was a jew.  Take it from there.

Les



--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct  9 06:22:18 PDT 1995
Article: 10629 of alt.revisionism
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Ronald Schoedel (ChrIdent@cris.com) writes:
> Crazy Jeannie you boob.  You quoted 3 messages and 27 lines for that 
> stupid childish 2 line remark?  Hey Les, didn't you mention something
> about finding the little gal some help with her editor?  Her mommy 
> apparently doesn't it either.  Oh well, I guess the good thing is if she 
> keeps this up we don't have to hear about her boring dreadful personal
> "life" so much.
> 
> Rev. Ron 

Well, I suppose I really shouldn't encourage her, but the truth is, I feel
kinda sorry for Crazy Jeannie.  See, I know she really likes me, and all
this hissing and spitting that she does for my benefit is really just
theatrics.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct  9 06:27:22 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: O.J. offed Nicole... so what?
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) whimpers for
attention:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
 
(snip - Crazy going on and on and ON about how WS men abuse their wives,
drawing on her bottomless experience with one abusive husband who happened
to dislike dusky folk)

> * Crazy, Crazy, Crazy...
> * 
> * You really MUST stop this equating of your ex with REAL White
> * Supremacists, you realize this, don't you?  I mean, besides making you
> * look like a complete fool because you blow on here with "I know what WS
> * types are REALLY like, 'cause I was married to a knuckle-dragger for two years
> * before I got up the gumption to leave him, even though he beat me!", and
> * it just shows your ignorance in ever and ever greater clarity. 
> 
> Les, unlike like you, who still lives in the good ol' days of the Third
> Reich, I have moved on from what happened to me in my youth. I made my
> statement about the WS woman's role based on the things that you and your
> buddies wrote in these newsgroups.

"MOVED ON"?!?  Like HELL you have!  Why, then, do you keep regaling us
with your crummy first marriage?  And WHY did you have not one, but TWO,
kids, with this winner?  You thought that maybe bringing a couple of
helpless, innocent babes into the world would improve things, maybe?
 
(snip)

> * > What is the
> * > definition of "NOT PUT UP WITH"? You think it's okay for a man to hit ME.
> * > What about other women, Les? What is a WS man entitled to do to his woman?
> * 
> * Not a whole hell of a lot. 
> 
> What a dull, dull relationship. Oh well, you probably spend most of your
> time huddled with the boys planning how you're going to come to power, eh?

Funny.  I don't take the position that it's OKAY to smack one's wife
around, and Crazy implies that "excitement" comes from physical (or any?)
abuse.

> * It's boorish to hit women in general, but I
> * would be more upset about my friend smacking his wife than I would be
> * about YOU getting a whallop or two.  
> 
> You misspelled "wallop", Les. I realize that you may be making mistakes
> because the thought of smacking around a woman makes it mandatory for you
> to type with one hand.
> 
> * See, you're a provacative bitch, and
> 
> Again, you misspelled "provocative", Les.

I'm glad that you're reading my messages closely enough to catch all the
spelling errors.  I feel a lot better knowing that the ex-proofreader of a
newsletter is able to watch over me like this.  Perhaps I'll get down on
my knees and thank my "diety".

> You used a pretty nebulous term in describing me.

Nope.  Pretty accurate, I'd say.

> A provocative woman can be quite a match for someone
> with the intelligence, confidence and creativity to appreciate her. 

Or she can just be a general nuisance to live with.  See, you made TWO
mistakes:

1)  You married an abusive husband;

2)  You decided to be an in-your-face type, knowing full well that being
like that would earn you nothing more than physical beating (too stupid to
adapt to a situation)

Actually, you made THREE mistakes:

3)  You STAYED with this winner for TWO YEARS.  What, did you think it was
gonna get better?

Actually, you fucked up FOUR times:

4)  You had TWO (count 'em, two) kids with Mr. Wonderful.  What, did you
think it would be nice to have some time off as he beat the kids?

(snipola grande - Crazy trying to show how brainy she is by cribbing the
American Heritage Dictionary def. of "provoke")

> * while I won't go the "if a woman gets hit, she deserves it" route, I WILL
> * admit that men can sometimes be pushed into things that they normally
> * wouldn't do.
> 
> Sure, men (and women) can be pushed into things that they wouldn't
> normally do. For most people, that's called personal growth, deepening a
> relationship, pursuing a new career, getting a college degree, etc.
> Insecure and ignorant people react with violence, because they don't have
> the patience or the ability to deal any other way to a perceived threat.

Having kids, sticking with an abusive husband for two years, etc.  Oh,
yeah, REAL personal growth, I see now.

(snip)
 
> * So, by your own admission, Sylvie takes the brunt of my frustration, yet
> * you STILL keep on provoking me, knowing full well that I probably smack my
> * wife around?  You're a cruel, cold-hearted bitch, Crazy.
> 
> Sylvie does whatever she does in service to the master race, right?

To which you are an accessory.  So I guess that makes you an auxilliary-WSer.

(snip)
 
> BTW, cockroach-boy, you always spell "wimp" incorrectly, too. HONK, HONK!

Nope.  "Whimp" is how it's spelt up here in Canada.  Sorry if that
confuses you.

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct  9 06:27:23 PDT 1995
Article: 4033 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Crazy Jeannie wants me! (was: Crazy Jeannie:  what a hoot!)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

> * > * Crazy, all this billing and cooing isn't going to work, I know deep down
> * > * you really like me...
> * > 
> * > FOAD, cockroach-boy. I'd like you to dress up in brown and go skulking
> * > around in the woods in my state for the next few weeks. Do you know how to
> * > make deer sounds, Les? (Hunting season just opened last weekend.) Many of
> * > my family members would love to get a White Tail this year, and would be
> * > happy to have your fat head stuffed and mounted on their wall beside their
> * > other trophies.
> * 
> * Sure, sure, Crazy, you may TALK like you want me to be shot, but I'm
> * familiar with the psychology of pre-teens.  See, when I taught children, a
> * LOT of the pre-teen girls would develop a crush on me, and I've also seen
> * OTHER guys have pre-teen girls swooning over them.  Of course, when they
> * were ASKED about it, they'd pretend that they really HATED the person that
> * they loved.  Which brings me to my next point...
> 
> So the pedophile rumor about you is true, eh? Maybe you were out trolling
> for a young'un to marry up with Rhonda or is Sylvie getting a little long
> in the tooth? I know that you guys don't like venturing beyond your blood
> kin for a mate, but next time, try hooking up with a sibling or a cousin
> instead of your mom.

Sadly for you, Crazy, I'm not in to kiddies.  Guess that kind of takes the
wind out of your sails, eh?  Am I still invited to your sweet-16?

> * I'm really starting to doubt the veracity of Crazy's claims as to her age,
> * marital status, etc., in sort, everything she says here.  I really think
> * that she's a 12- or 13-year-old girl, probably not too attractive, hoping
> * to get the love and attention that she so desperately craves here.
 
(snip)
 
> You wanna hear how many hours I spent in labor with my two kids and other
> stuff that only women know about, cockroach-boy? You are a pathetic little
> man. Now, go blow your own horn.

Not really, but I suppose you're gonna tell us anyway.

Actually, only women who have actually GONE THROUGH labor and REALLY had
kids know what it's like.  I don't particularly want to hear something
that you can copy from a Harlequin Romance to "prove" that you actually
are a 40-something old bag, and are thus entitled to some sort of "respect".
 
Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct  9 06:27:24 PDT 1995
Article: 4036 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Aria:  one mad negro! (was: Why negroes cry racism...)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article <459tal$rm5@news2.ucsd.edu>, fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano
> Ledgister) wrote:
> 
> * Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> * 
> * : And how about the hundreds, maybe thousands, of White people who have been
> * : killed in slave revolts, and negro violence SINCE Emancipation?

> * Just how many whites were killed in slave revolts? And, by the bye,
> * exactly what is wrong with slaves revolting?

Uh, murder and rape, for two.  Want more?
 
> Well, Les likes to fantasize about the good ol' days when slaves were
> "justifiably" lynched for revolting, while saying that they were inferior
> because they could not free themselves. Welcome to Leslogic 101 (tm)!
 
How is this paradoxical, Crazy?  The negro slaves were unable to free
themselves, and they deserved to be punished for the outrages they
committed when revolting (which they were pretty much all the time!).  But
seriously, do you HONESTLY believe that all the excesses to which negroes,
then and now, were given, were NECESSARY to gain their freedom?  Rape and
torture of White women?  Mutilation and murder of White children?  Tell
me, Crazy, how either of those things (or anything else, if you're too
embarrassed to address them) would contribute one IOTA to a negro gaining
his freedom.

Les



--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct  9 06:27:53 PDT 1995
Article: 5437 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: O.J. offed Nicole... so what?
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) whimpers for
attention:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
 
(snip - Crazy going on and on and ON about how WS men abuse their wives,
drawing on her bottomless experience with one abusive husband who happened
to dislike dusky folk)

> * Crazy, Crazy, Crazy...
> * 
> * You really MUST stop this equating of your ex with REAL White
> * Supremacists, you realize this, don't you?  I mean, besides making you
> * look like a complete fool because you blow on here with "I know what WS
> * types are REALLY like, 'cause I was married to a knuckle-dragger for two years
> * before I got up the gumption to leave him, even though he beat me!", and
> * it just shows your ignorance in ever and ever greater clarity. 
> 
> Les, unlike like you, who still lives in the good ol' days of the Third
> Reich, I have moved on from what happened to me in my youth. I made my
> statement about the WS woman's role based on the things that you and your
> buddies wrote in these newsgroups.

"MOVED ON"?!?  Like HELL you have!  Why, then, do you keep regaling us
with your crummy first marriage?  And WHY did you have not one, but TWO,
kids, with this winner?  You thought that maybe bringing a couple of
helpless, innocent babes into the world would improve things, maybe?
 
(snip)

> * > What is the
> * > definition of "NOT PUT UP WITH"? You think it's okay for a man to hit ME.
> * > What about other women, Les? What is a WS man entitled to do to his woman?
> * 
> * Not a whole hell of a lot. 
> 
> What a dull, dull relationship. Oh well, you probably spend most of your
> time huddled with the boys planning how you're going to come to power, eh?

Funny.  I don't take the position that it's OKAY to smack one's wife
around, and Crazy implies that "excitement" comes from physical (or any?)
abuse.

> * It's boorish to hit women in general, but I
> * would be more upset about my friend smacking his wife than I would be
> * about YOU getting a whallop or two.  
> 
> You misspelled "wallop", Les. I realize that you may be making mistakes
> because the thought of smacking around a woman makes it mandatory for you
> to type with one hand.
> 
> * See, you're a provacative bitch, and
> 
> Again, you misspelled "provocative", Les.

I'm glad that you're reading my messages closely enough to catch all the
spelling errors.  I feel a lot better knowing that the ex-proofreader of a
newsletter is able to watch over me like this.  Perhaps I'll get down on
my knees and thank my "diety".

> You used a pretty nebulous term in describing me.

Nope.  Pretty accurate, I'd say.

> A provocative woman can be quite a match for someone
> with the intelligence, confidence and creativity to appreciate her. 

Or she can just be a general nuisance to live with.  See, you made TWO
mistakes:

1)  You married an abusive husband;

2)  You decided to be an in-your-face type, knowing full well that being
like that would earn you nothing more than physical beating (too stupid to
adapt to a situation)

Actually, you made THREE mistakes:

3)  You STAYED with this winner for TWO YEARS.  What, did you think it was
gonna get better?

Actually, you fucked up FOUR times:

4)  You had TWO (count 'em, two) kids with Mr. Wonderful.  What, did you
think it would be nice to have some time off as he beat the kids?

(snipola grande - Crazy trying to show how brainy she is by cribbing the
American Heritage Dictionary def. of "provoke")

> * while I won't go the "if a woman gets hit, she deserves it" route, I WILL
> * admit that men can sometimes be pushed into things that they normally
> * wouldn't do.
> 
> Sure, men (and women) can be pushed into things that they wouldn't
> normally do. For most people, that's called personal growth, deepening a
> relationship, pursuing a new career, getting a college degree, etc.
> Insecure and ignorant people react with violence, because they don't have
> the patience or the ability to deal any other way to a perceived threat.

Having kids, sticking with an abusive husband for two years, etc.  Oh,
yeah, REAL personal growth, I see now.

(snip)
 
> * So, by your own admission, Sylvie takes the brunt of my frustration, yet
> * you STILL keep on provoking me, knowing full well that I probably smack my
> * wife around?  You're a cruel, cold-hearted bitch, Crazy.
> 
> Sylvie does whatever she does in service to the master race, right?

To which you are an accessory.  So I guess that makes you an auxilliary-WSer.

(snip)
 
> BTW, cockroach-boy, you always spell "wimp" incorrectly, too. HONK, HONK!

Nope.  "Whimp" is how it's spelt up here in Canada.  Sorry if that
confuses you.

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct  9 06:27:54 PDT 1995
Article: 5438 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Crazy Jeannie wants me! (was: Crazy Jeannie:  what a hoot!)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

> * > * Crazy, all this billing and cooing isn't going to work, I know deep down
> * > * you really like me...
> * > 
> * > FOAD, cockroach-boy. I'd like you to dress up in brown and go skulking
> * > around in the woods in my state for the next few weeks. Do you know how to
> * > make deer sounds, Les? (Hunting season just opened last weekend.) Many of
> * > my family members would love to get a White Tail this year, and would be
> * > happy to have your fat head stuffed and mounted on their wall beside their
> * > other trophies.
> * 
> * Sure, sure, Crazy, you may TALK like you want me to be shot, but I'm
> * familiar with the psychology of pre-teens.  See, when I taught children, a
> * LOT of the pre-teen girls would develop a crush on me, and I've also seen
> * OTHER guys have pre-teen girls swooning over them.  Of course, when they
> * were ASKED about it, they'd pretend that they really HATED the person that
> * they loved.  Which brings me to my next point...
> 
> So the pedophile rumor about you is true, eh? Maybe you were out trolling
> for a young'un to marry up with Rhonda or is Sylvie getting a little long
> in the tooth? I know that you guys don't like venturing beyond your blood
> kin for a mate, but next time, try hooking up with a sibling or a cousin
> instead of your mom.

Sadly for you, Crazy, I'm not in to kiddies.  Guess that kind of takes the
wind out of your sails, eh?  Am I still invited to your sweet-16?

> * I'm really starting to doubt the veracity of Crazy's claims as to her age,
> * marital status, etc., in sort, everything she says here.  I really think
> * that she's a 12- or 13-year-old girl, probably not too attractive, hoping
> * to get the love and attention that she so desperately craves here.
 
(snip)
 
> You wanna hear how many hours I spent in labor with my two kids and other
> stuff that only women know about, cockroach-boy? You are a pathetic little
> man. Now, go blow your own horn.

Not really, but I suppose you're gonna tell us anyway.

Actually, only women who have actually GONE THROUGH labor and REALLY had
kids know what it's like.  I don't particularly want to hear something
that you can copy from a Harlequin Romance to "prove" that you actually
are a 40-something old bag, and are thus entitled to some sort of "respect".
 
Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct  9 06:27:56 PDT 1995
Article: 5441 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Aria:  one mad negro! (was: Why negroes cry racism...)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article <459tal$rm5@news2.ucsd.edu>, fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano
> Ledgister) wrote:
> 
> * Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> * 
> * : And how about the hundreds, maybe thousands, of White people who have been
> * : killed in slave revolts, and negro violence SINCE Emancipation?

> * Just how many whites were killed in slave revolts? And, by the bye,
> * exactly what is wrong with slaves revolting?

Uh, murder and rape, for two.  Want more?
 
> Well, Les likes to fantasize about the good ol' days when slaves were
> "justifiably" lynched for revolting, while saying that they were inferior
> because they could not free themselves. Welcome to Leslogic 101 (tm)!
 
How is this paradoxical, Crazy?  The negro slaves were unable to free
themselves, and they deserved to be punished for the outrages they
committed when revolting (which they were pretty much all the time!).  But
seriously, do you HONESTLY believe that all the excesses to which negroes,
then and now, were given, were NECESSARY to gain their freedom?  Rape and
torture of White women?  Mutilation and murder of White children?  Tell
me, Crazy, how either of those things (or anything else, if you're too
embarrassed to address them) would contribute one IOTA to a negro gaining
his freedom.

Les



--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct 10 06:50:01 PDT 1995
Article: 4086 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Aria:  one mad negro! (was: Why negroes cry racism...)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

> * > * : And how about the hundreds, maybe thousands, of White people who have
> * > * : been killed in slave revolts, and negro violence SINCE Emancipation?
> * 
> * > * Just how many whites were killed in slave revolts? And, by the bye,
> * > * exactly what is wrong with slaves revolting?
> * 
> * Uh, murder and rape, for two.  Want more?
> *  
> * > Well, Les likes to fantasize about the good ol' days when slaves were
> * > "justifiably" lynched for revolting, while saying that they were inferior
> * > because they could not free themselves. Welcome to Leslogic 101 (tm)!
> *  
> * How is this paradoxical, Crazy?  The negro slaves were unable to free
> * themselves, and they deserved to be punished for the outrages they
> * committed when revolting (which they were pretty much all the time!).  But
> * seriously, do you HONESTLY believe that all the excesses to which negroes,
> * then and now, were given, were NECESSARY to gain their freedom?  Rape and
> * torture of White women?  Mutilation and murder of White children?  Tell
> * me, Crazy, how either of those things (or anything else, if you're too
> * embarrassed to address them) would contribute one IOTA to a negro gaining
> * his freedom.
> 
> You really believe this crap, don't you? I'm absolutely stunned.

Nice dodge, Crazy, but it hasn't gotten past me (or anyone else) that
you've avoided answering the question.  Gee, why am I not surprised?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct 10 06:57:38 PDT 1995
Article: 5491 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Aria:  one mad negro! (was: Why negroes cry racism...)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

> * > * : And how about the hundreds, maybe thousands, of White people who have
> * > * : been killed in slave revolts, and negro violence SINCE Emancipation?
> * 
> * > * Just how many whites were killed in slave revolts? And, by the bye,
> * > * exactly what is wrong with slaves revolting?
> * 
> * Uh, murder and rape, for two.  Want more?
> *  
> * > Well, Les likes to fantasize about the good ol' days when slaves were
> * > "justifiably" lynched for revolting, while saying that they were inferior
> * > because they could not free themselves. Welcome to Leslogic 101 (tm)!
> *  
> * How is this paradoxical, Crazy?  The negro slaves were unable to free
> * themselves, and they deserved to be punished for the outrages they
> * committed when revolting (which they were pretty much all the time!).  But
> * seriously, do you HONESTLY believe that all the excesses to which negroes,
> * then and now, were given, were NECESSARY to gain their freedom?  Rape and
> * torture of White women?  Mutilation and murder of White children?  Tell
> * me, Crazy, how either of those things (or anything else, if you're too
> * embarrassed to address them) would contribute one IOTA to a negro gaining
> * his freedom.
> 
> You really believe this crap, don't you? I'm absolutely stunned.

Nice dodge, Crazy, but it hasn't gotten past me (or anyone else) that
you've avoided answering the question.  Gee, why am I not surprised?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 11 06:51:05 PDT 1995
Article: 4163 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Aria:  one mad negro! (was: Why negroes cry racism...)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip - Crazy arguing by innuendo that slave revolts, and the attendant
massacre of the "massuh's wimmin and chilun" are A-OK in her books.  When
called on it, she resorts to name-calling, rather than addressing the issue).

> * > You really believe this crap, don't you? I'm absolutely stunned.
> * 
> * Nice dodge, Crazy, but it hasn't gotten past me (or anyone else) that
> * you've avoided answering the question.  Gee, why am I not surprised?
> 
> Well, I am operating from the moral perspective that the slaves and
> progeny of slaves are all human beings.

What else does this "moral perspective" tell you?  That it's okay for
slaves to massacre White women and children?  That WAS what we were
talking about, not present-day "racism", so try to wrap your little mind
around that.

> The whole idea of constantly
> knocking people down and then claiming that they're inferior because
> they're on the ground really shows how distorted your claims of racial
> superiority are to the public. 

But, how does slavery justify the murder of White women and children, Crazy?
 
> You are probably scared to death that "payback time" is coming, eh?

Funny, isn't it usually liberals who ca-ca their pants at the thought of
having to pay for their ideas?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 11 06:51:06 PDT 1995
Article: 4164 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: O.J. offed Nicole... so what?
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Jew Rosenbeoig (joelr@winternet.com) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>Well, I can't speak for Dr. Pierce, but my opinion on abortion is that
>>it's wrong, unless it's for eugenic purposes, ie if the pregnancy will
>>bring an inferior baby into the world.  
> 
> Too bad your mother didn't feel that way.  Or didn't she know?

Another funny thing is that abortionists are jews WAY out of proportion to
their representation in the general population.  I'll bet they're
over-represented among the ranks of abortionists, as opposed to real doctors.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 11 06:51:07 PDT 1995
Article: 4166 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Crazy's first hubbie! (was: O.J. offed Nicole... so what?)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip - Crazy now sticking up for her first hubby, whom she had previously
claimed was such a beast, and typical of WS types)

> * So you were young and stupid.  Do you think that that gives you some sort
> * of moral superiority?
> 
> I never claimed that it did.

Bull da-da.  You come on here preaching about how you "know" all about us,
'cause your first husband was an alcoholic wife-beater, who happened to
dislike folks darker than he.

> You are condemning me for having the qualities that you WS men demand in a
> woman today. 

No, I'm condemning you for being an asshole.
 
> * > I'd had him arrested twice, and he was on a year's probation for
> * > domestic violence. My gun-totin' brothers told Hoosier-boy that they'd
> * > kill him if he hurt their baby sister again.
> * 
> * Typical liberal:  all for violence, as long as a) someone else does it,
> * and b) it's for YOUR benefit.
> 
> HORSESHIT. Nobody laid a hand on him. You were the one raising hell about
> the white women and children being raped, beaten and murdered (as long as
> it's at the hands of a Black man), but you object to me wanting to defend
> myself and my children from a white man? Your idealogy is fucked, Les.

And you're the one who thinks negro slaves massacring White women and
children will somehow improve their lot in life.
 
> BTW, you may want to know that this "typical liberal" would have shot him
> if he'd touched me again. We had several guns in our house, and I used to
> enjoy shooting targets with him.

More liberal hypocrisy.  "Guns are bad, but I would have willingly shot my
abusive first husband!"  And then we're subjected to liberal screeching
about domestic homicides...

(snip)

> You're not always worth the effort. Why do you feel the need to comment on
> my education, when anyone can look at the header and see that I'm posting
> from a university? I am listed in the university directory, and my bio is
> in the 1992 edition of Who's Who Among Students in American Universities
> and Colleges. Anyone can easily verify that I am exactly who I represent
> myself to be.

As if anyone would CARE that you're a 40-something loser, who still thinks
that liberal ideas have any currency today.

(snip)

> * Well, I can't speak for Dr. Pierce, but my opinion on abortion is that
> * it's wrong, unless it's for eugenic purposes, ie if the pregnancy will
> * bring an inferior baby into the world.  You, for example, should be the
> * poster-child for coat-hangers.  The best part of YOU obviously ran down
> * your mother's legs.
> 
> Well, if the dregs created me, and your daddy's best created you . . .
> what a bitter disappoint you must be, Les! 

Actually, my father was quite proud of me, and my mother is, too.
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 11 06:54:10 PDT 1995
Article: 5574 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Aria:  one mad negro! (was: Why negroes cry racism...)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip - Crazy arguing by innuendo that slave revolts, and the attendant
massacre of the "massuh's wimmin and chilun" are A-OK in her books.  When
called on it, she resorts to name-calling, rather than addressing the issue).

> * > You really believe this crap, don't you? I'm absolutely stunned.
> * 
> * Nice dodge, Crazy, but it hasn't gotten past me (or anyone else) that
> * you've avoided answering the question.  Gee, why am I not surprised?
> 
> Well, I am operating from the moral perspective that the slaves and
> progeny of slaves are all human beings.

What else does this "moral perspective" tell you?  That it's okay for
slaves to massacre White women and children?  That WAS what we were
talking about, not present-day "racism", so try to wrap your little mind
around that.

> The whole idea of constantly
> knocking people down and then claiming that they're inferior because
> they're on the ground really shows how distorted your claims of racial
> superiority are to the public. 

But, how does slavery justify the murder of White women and children, Crazy?
 
> You are probably scared to death that "payback time" is coming, eh?

Funny, isn't it usually liberals who ca-ca their pants at the thought of
having to pay for their ideas?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 11 06:54:11 PDT 1995
Article: 5575 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: O.J. offed Nicole... so what?
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Jew Rosenbeoig (joelr@winternet.com) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>Well, I can't speak for Dr. Pierce, but my opinion on abortion is that
>>it's wrong, unless it's for eugenic purposes, ie if the pregnancy will
>>bring an inferior baby into the world.  
> 
> Too bad your mother didn't feel that way.  Or didn't she know?

Another funny thing is that abortionists are jews WAY out of proportion to
their representation in the general population.  I'll bet they're
over-represented among the ranks of abortionists, as opposed to real doctors.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 11 06:54:11 PDT 1995
Article: 5577 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Crazy's first hubbie! (was: O.J. offed Nicole... so what?)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip - Crazy now sticking up for her first hubby, whom she had previously
claimed was such a beast, and typical of WS types)

> * So you were young and stupid.  Do you think that that gives you some sort
> * of moral superiority?
> 
> I never claimed that it did.

Bull da-da.  You come on here preaching about how you "know" all about us,
'cause your first husband was an alcoholic wife-beater, who happened to
dislike folks darker than he.

> You are condemning me for having the qualities that you WS men demand in a
> woman today. 

No, I'm condemning you for being an asshole.
 
> * > I'd had him arrested twice, and he was on a year's probation for
> * > domestic violence. My gun-totin' brothers told Hoosier-boy that they'd
> * > kill him if he hurt their baby sister again.
> * 
> * Typical liberal:  all for violence, as long as a) someone else does it,
> * and b) it's for YOUR benefit.
> 
> HORSESHIT. Nobody laid a hand on him. You were the one raising hell about
> the white women and children being raped, beaten and murdered (as long as
> it's at the hands of a Black man), but you object to me wanting to defend
> myself and my children from a white man? Your idealogy is fucked, Les.

And you're the one who thinks negro slaves massacring White women and
children will somehow improve their lot in life.
 
> BTW, you may want to know that this "typical liberal" would have shot him
> if he'd touched me again. We had several guns in our house, and I used to
> enjoy shooting targets with him.

More liberal hypocrisy.  "Guns are bad, but I would have willingly shot my
abusive first husband!"  And then we're subjected to liberal screeching
about domestic homicides...

(snip)

> You're not always worth the effort. Why do you feel the need to comment on
> my education, when anyone can look at the header and see that I'm posting
> from a university? I am listed in the university directory, and my bio is
> in the 1992 edition of Who's Who Among Students in American Universities
> and Colleges. Anyone can easily verify that I am exactly who I represent
> myself to be.

As if anyone would CARE that you're a 40-something loser, who still thinks
that liberal ideas have any currency today.

(snip)

> * Well, I can't speak for Dr. Pierce, but my opinion on abortion is that
> * it's wrong, unless it's for eugenic purposes, ie if the pregnancy will
> * bring an inferior baby into the world.  You, for example, should be the
> * poster-child for coat-hangers.  The best part of YOU obviously ran down
> * your mother's legs.
> 
> Well, if the dregs created me, and your daddy's best created you . . .
> what a bitter disappoint you must be, Les! 

Actually, my father was quite proud of me, and my mother is, too.
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 11 06:54:30 PDT 1995
Article: 13909 of alt.conspiracy
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Bill can't count (was: Nazis on the Net)
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William R. Discipio Jr (discipio@crl.com) writes:
> Evelyn Hill (hill@crl.com) wrote:
> : Chris Morton (cmort@hathcok.nshore.org) wrote:
> : : What if instead of "joining" the National Alliance, they just adopt, even if 
> : : unconsciously, some of their assumption?
> 
> : Oh, no!  White people who might, for a fleeting second, think that White 
> : communities are more pleasant than "racially diverse" communities!!!
> 
> : AND NOT EVEN NAZIS !!!!	
> 
> : It just can't be permitted! Call the thought police!
> 
> Think it all you want.  Do you forget that people like you murdered 12 
> million in Germany and lynched countless blacks in the US?

That's supposed to be 13 million, you piker.  And the "countless" blacks
lynched in the US is around 3500.  The number of Whites lynched is about
2500.  

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 11 06:58:39 PDT 1995
Article: 7523 of can.politics
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Bill can't count (was: Nazis on the Net)
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William R. Discipio Jr (discipio@crl.com) writes:
> Evelyn Hill (hill@crl.com) wrote:
> : Chris Morton (cmort@hathcok.nshore.org) wrote:
> : : What if instead of "joining" the National Alliance, they just adopt, even if 
> : : unconsciously, some of their assumption?
> 
> : Oh, no!  White people who might, for a fleeting second, think that White 
> : communities are more pleasant than "racially diverse" communities!!!
> 
> : AND NOT EVEN NAZIS !!!!	
> 
> : It just can't be permitted! Call the thought police!
> 
> Think it all you want.  Do you forget that people like you murdered 12 
> million in Germany and lynched countless blacks in the US?

That's supposed to be 13 million, you piker.  And the "countless" blacks
lynched in the US is around 3500.  The number of Whites lynched is about
2500.  

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 15 17:46:24 PDT 1995
Article: 11098 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The Spectre of McCarthyism (was: Racist Nazis conspire...)
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) writes:
> 
> # Don't speak for me, Mr. McCarthy.  I have never advocated 
> # censoring anyone, including you.
> 
> Contrast this with the text below:
> 
>  From: bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim)
>  Message-ID: 
>  
>  # Well, it's quite simple.  We will establish an investigative 
>  # service, which will review claims against Jews.  If there is 
>  # evidence for charges, a trial will be set for the individual in 
>  # question.  A special tribunal will be created to try those 
>  # charged with "Crimes Against the Aryan Race," "Crimes Against 
>  # Peace," genocide, and profiteering.  Conviction on offense
>  # number one and number three will carry a mandatory death penalty.  
> 
> 
> 
> # I invite the reader to investigate Mr. McCarthy, to see which of 
> # us, he or I, am the REAL "Nazi."
> 
> I invite the reader to look at the following piece, also written
> by Kleim; he's posting from his account at STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU.
> 
> Subject: Peace...or Utter Destruction
> Message-ID: <1993Dec16.083247.7321@msus1.msus.edu>
> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
> 
> # I am an admirer of Adolf Hitler.  I embrace National Socialism.
> # I would do so even if the Holocaust *were* fact, which I honestly
> # believe it is not.  I would do so even if Hitler and his system
> # had killed *60* million Jews.
> 
> 

And where, EXACTLY, in all of this, is Milton's endorsement of censorship?

Another example of the screechy, mindless rantings of pro-censorship jews
who can't stand to have an "anti-semite" deny their slimy charges.  Are
you next gonna tell us that the first thing Hitler did when he came to
power was snatch all the guns?

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 07:04:52 PDT 1995
Article: 11098 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The Spectre of McCarthyism (was: Racist Nazis conspire...)
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) writes:
> 
> # Don't speak for me, Mr. McCarthy.  I have never advocated 
> # censoring anyone, including you.
> 
> Contrast this with the text below:
> 
>  From: bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim)
>  Message-ID: 
>  
>  # Well, it's quite simple.  We will establish an investigative 
>  # service, which will review claims against Jews.  If there is 
>  # evidence for charges, a trial will be set for the individual in 
>  # question.  A special tribunal will be created to try those 
>  # charged with "Crimes Against the Aryan Race," "Crimes Against 
>  # Peace," genocide, and profiteering.  Conviction on offense
>  # number one and number three will carry a mandatory death penalty.  
> 
> 
> 
> # I invite the reader to investigate Mr. McCarthy, to see which of 
> # us, he or I, am the REAL "Nazi."
> 
> I invite the reader to look at the following piece, also written
> by Kleim; he's posting from his account at STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU.
> 
> Subject: Peace...or Utter Destruction
> Message-ID: <1993Dec16.083247.7321@msus1.msus.edu>
> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
> 
> # I am an admirer of Adolf Hitler.  I embrace National Socialism.
> # I would do so even if the Holocaust *were* fact, which I honestly
> # believe it is not.  I would do so even if Hitler and his system
> # had killed *60* million Jews.
> 
> 

And where, EXACTLY, in all of this, is Milton's endorsement of censorship?

Another example of the screechy, mindless rantings of pro-censorship jews
who can't stand to have an "anti-semite" deny their slimy charges.  Are
you next gonna tell us that the first thing Hitler did when he came to
power was snatch all the guns?

Les





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Subject: The same old shit...
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Seems some of the liberal brains are up to their old games of "You Nazis
aren't a majority of people, so you're powerless!"  Can't seem to get it
across to them that we aren't interested in a large number of sheep, like
they are, but that the only majority that appeals to us is a majority of will.

Les



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Subject: Another fun game!
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1)  Take a Star of David.

2)  Count the number of points.

3)  Count the number of sides.

4)  Count the number of interstices (where the lines meet).

5)  Write 'em all down.

6)  By gum if you don't get 6-6-6!

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 10:59:09 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The same old shit...
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Ash (ashleys@nbnet.nb.ca) writes:
>>
>>Seems some of the liberal brains are up to their old games of "You Nazis
>>aren't a majority of people, so you're powerless!"  Can't seem to get it
>>across to them that we aren't interested in a large number of sheep, like
>>they are, but that the only majority that appeals to us is a majority of will.
>>
>>Les
>>
> We didn't say you aren't the majority thus have no powere.  What we do say
> is that your ideas are so outrageously silly that they would not be accepted
> by the majority.  You can't have a majority of will if your ideas aren't
> shared by the majority.

Sure we can.  What planet are you living on?

> You seem to think differently.  Please explain this to the rest of us.

Although you guys are generally unable to comprehend that not everyone is
a mindless cypher, just WAITING to happily take orders from you liberals,
and joyfully make mud-patties with every featherless biped, I have some
hope that some of you CAN be reached.  See, some people are more willful
than others, and one person can have more force of will than ten liberal
sheep.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 10:59:10 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Crazy's first hubbie! (was: O.J. offed Nicole... so what?)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip - Crazy's lame flame attempts, and pathetic attempts at
self-aggrandizement, deleted)

> * You come on here preaching about how you "know" all about us,
> * 'cause your first husband was an alcoholic wife-beater, who happened to
> * dislike folks darker than he.
> 
> If I recall correctly, my first marriage came up during a discussion about
> women's roles in WS society and whether women would be considered equal to
> men. None of you WS adherents have written anything that would convince me
> that women would have equivalent privileges and protections intrinsic to
> WS men.

And WHERE did we say that we CARE what a liberal shit like you thinks? 
No-one could care less how threatened you feel by WS people being in
charge, and your pathetic attempts to portray us as something we're not
(ie, misogynists) is laughable.

> In today's big push to jumpstart your race war, women would be
> allowed to have more options as the 'Rosie the Riveters' for short term
> gains, but how about after your all-whitey homeland is established? You
> wouldn't have all of the 'liberals', 'race-traitors' and 'mudpeople' to
> talk down to and blame your failures on, so women would be the logical
> group to put in their place. As long as the women want to crank out babies
> and stand by their men, they would probably be safe, but they would still
> be subject to the treatment that their hausfuehrers dish out. 

What you don't seem to understand (I suspect that you do, but the idea of
responsibility scares the willies out of you) is that if ANYONE'S
self-interest collides with the survival and advancement of the White
race, then the survival of the White race can and will take precedence. 
Right now, one of the biggest threat to the White race is abortion, which
is why (I suppose) that liberal twits like you think we're gung-ho to
deprive a woman of her "rights".  Tell me, Crazy, WHAT rights, EXACTLY, is
a woman losing when she can't abort her unborn child, and how does that
compare to protecting the White race with respect to the set of values I
outlined above?  See, I (and most WS people) have a different "moral
perspective" than mindless automatons like you.

(snip)

> * > BTW, you may want to know that this "typical liberal" would have shot him
> * > if he'd touched me again. We had several guns in our house, and I used to
> * > enjoy shooting targets with him.
> * 
> * More liberal hypocrisy.  "Guns are bad, but I would have willingly shot my
> * abusive first husband!"  And then we're subjected to liberal screeching
> * about domestic homicides...
> 
> Just because you have labeled me a liberal doesn't mean it's true,
> cockroach-boy. At that time, I was apolitical -- hell, I wasn't even old
> enough to vote! I was, however, willing to protect myself and my children
> from abuse. That was human instinct and had nothing to do with politics.
> Your idealogy is still fucked.

Human instinct.  Interesting to hear you refering to something that you
obviously have NO regard for anymore.  Let me fill you in on something
that may not have filtered through to your little pea-brain yet:  my
idealogy (SIC!) is not fucked.  National Socialism is much more in tune
with human instincts than liberalism, but we also recognize that humans
are NOT animals.  You prattle on about "human dignity", but really, you
think that the majority of people are going to embrace your rotten ideas
because you cloak them in meaningless words like "love".

(snip)

> * > * Well, I can't speak for Dr. Pierce, but my opinion on abortion is that
> * > * it's wrong, unless it's for eugenic purposes, ie if the pregnancy will
> * > * bring an inferior baby into the world.  You, for example, should be the
> * > * poster-child for coat-hangers.  The best part of YOU obviously ran down
> * > * your mother's legs.
> 
> You have the audacity to to say that I should be a poster-child for coat
> hangers? I was the twelfth child in my family, born to a 44 year old
> mother and 54 year old father, both having less than an 8th grade
> education.  I was a breach baby, conceived after my mother's onset of
> menopause, with her almost dying to bring me into the world. I am a
> survivor, Les. Everything that I've gone though has made me stronger, and
> I don't back down or run away from anything or anyone.

My, I'm just shitting my pants that you're so "tough".  You must have some
major insecurities if you have to constantly blow your own trumpet.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 10:59:11 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: O.J. a racist? You decide!!!
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Lane Singer (lsinger@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Nicole Brown... well, what the hell did we lose with her?  She may have
> : had white skin, but she wasn't White.
> 
> ok, i can't resist. les, tell me: how can you say that nicole brown
> wasn't white?

Simple, Lane "the Romans were brown-skinned" Singer:  Nicole expressed
values that NO White man or woman would have held, and she bore O.J. TWO
pickaninnies.

Les



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Subject: Re: The same old shit...
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Andy "Big cloth doll guy" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Seems some of the liberal brains are up to their old games of "You Nazis
>   :aren't a majority of people, so you're powerless!"  Can't seem to get it
>   :across to them that we aren't interested in a large number of sheep, like
>   :they are, but that the only majority that appeals to us is a majority of 
>   :will.
> 
> A "majority of will," whatever the hell that means, is insufficient.
> Minorities can, do, and have made policy--but they need intelligence,
> dilligence, and fairly large numbers. A driven 1% can't change policy. A
> determined 25% can.

Thanks for the info, but I get the DISTINCT impression that your numbers
are more a reflection of your own wishful thinking (and fear) than a
statement of observation.  Besides, what makes you think that we don't
HAVE the support of 25% of the population?  Just because 1 in 4 people
aren't hanging swastika flags out their windows AT THIS TIME, is not proof
positive that they are HOSTILE to us.

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 10:59:13 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: White vs. white (was: O.J. a racist? You decide!!!)
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Lane Singer (lsinger@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)
 
> : Nicole (brown Simpson) expressed values that NO White man or woman would
> : have held
> 
> so this made her not-white? this is a new wrinkle on your ever
> more convoluted definition of who's white and who's not. a
> very interesting one, as well. 

Pay attention, scum.  I said that Nicole was not White.  I never denied
the reality of her complexion, like some people around here do with the
Romans, whom I won't name, but whose initials are Lane Singer.

> does this mean that if an intelligent or humane thought somehow 
> manages to flit across the screen of your mind, you'll all
> of a sudden become not-white too?

You have a rather interesting definition of "intelligent or humane
thoughts".  Obviously, miscegenation is "intelligent" and "humane" in your
world, as is participating in drug-soaked lesbian orgies (read Faye
Resnick's autobiography, in which Nicole features prominently).

> also, what about if nicole had recanted her "ways" and joined WAR -- would
> she have turned white again?

Nope.  WAR, in the first place, wouldn't have touched that race-traitorous
slut with a ten-foot pole.  Nor would have any dedicated pro-White group.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 10:59:14 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Liberal motivations...
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It's interesting, and quite helpful, when liberals tell us why they
believe the way they do.  Evil Beavis, for example, has told us that he
has a negress girlfriend in the States, so one can understand his
commitment to advocating racial equality.  William R. Discipio, too, has
admitted that he is in a mixed-race marriage, so one can understand HIS
fascination with "Nazis", and the wild abandon with which he flings the
term at ANYONE who has the SLIGHTEST reservations about miscegenation. 
But that leaves a rather large contingent of liberals without the
necessary background information for us to come to the proper conclusions
about their motivations.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberal motivations...
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Racial Theorist (xyz@scsn.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>It's interesting, and quite helpful, when liberals tell us why they
>>believe the way they do.  Evil Beavis, for example, has told us that he
>>has a negress girlfriend in the States, so one can understand his
>>commitment to advocating racial equality.  William R. Discipio, too, has
>>admitted that he is in a mixed-race marriage, so one can understand HIS
>>fascination with "Nazis", and the wild abandon with which he flings the
>>term at ANYONE who has the SLIGHTEST reservations about miscegenation. 
>>But that leaves a rather large contingent of liberals without the
>>necessary background information for us to come to the proper conclusions
>>about their motivations.
> 
> 	what the deal is, is that most all of these libs on this ng are just
> as racists as we are.  they're like this guy i know in real life who
> claims to be a multiculturalist lib.  he claims not to be prejudice.
> i was telling him the other day, "maybe you ain't prejudice, but why
> don't i ever see you hanging around with a bunch of stinking nigras?"
> of course he didn't have an answer to that question.

True enough.  Liberals are liberal in inverse proportion to the amount
that their liberalism affects them directly.  They don't mind putting
OTHERS at risk through their bizarre theories, and they have no qualms
about putting the children of "racists" at risk, but heaven forbid that
they actually have to face the same consequences themselves!

> 	aside from evil--who's probably lying about his aunt jemima
> girlfriend--and this other guy--i doubt very seriously that the
> motivation of any of thse libs could be that they have a nigress
> girlfriend because most all the nigresses i ever known wouldn't have
> nothing to do with these wimps.  so they must have some other
> motivation.

That's possibly true, but I cannot for the life of me imagine what it
could be.  I can't imagine what could possibly be the motivation of most
of them.  I mean, I know that a few libs are truly whacko, and actually
WANT to be abased before negroes and other non-whites, but the vast
majority aren't that pathetic.

Les




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Subject: Re: Crazy's first hubbie! (was: O.J. offed Nicole... so what?)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

> * And WHERE did we say that we CARE what a liberal shit like you thinks? 
> * No-one could care less how threatened you feel by WS people being in
> * charge, and your pathetic attempts to portray us as something we're not
> * (ie, misogynists) is laughable.
> 
> Your own words are exposing you for who you are.

Which is...?

> I don't believe that you
> hate all women, but you certainly are threatened by women who don't
> readily feed into your political philosophy. BTW, who appointed you
> spokesman for everyone who is subscribed to these newsgroups, Les? 

The same person who told you to come on here and whine and complain, and
flame WS people with stereotypes just like the ones that you freak out
about when we say them about non-white folk.

> You come on here and fart and belch and thump your chest on behalf of of
> your knuckle-dragging fraternity and, while your stench is strong enough
> to make decent people want to puke, you are still only one person. What IS
> laughable here is your piss-poor Tarzan impersonations that you're trying
> to pass off as white supremacist science, history, and morality. You spend
> your time yodeling about being king of the jungle and bitching about
> Cheetah trying to nuzzle up to Jane and pilfer food from your treehouse.
> (That was a metaphor, mighty-whities, so don't start claiming I was
> referring to anyone as apes.)

Crazy, you're truly bizarre.  If anyone here is piss-poor, it's you, with
your hackneyed, cliched statements about warm-fuzzies.  Don't you get it? 
Your ideas just aren't relevant anymore, and it scares the HELL out of you
to realize that you're being thrown to the side, doesn't it?

(snip)

> * What you don't seem to understand (I suspect that you do, but the idea of
> * responsibility scares the willies out of you) is that if ANYONE'S
> * self-interest collides with the survival and advancement of the White
> * race, then the survival of the White race can and will take precedence. 
> 
> Please. Rob and I raised two kids, and I always put the needs of my
> husband and children first.

How typically liberal:  now that YOU will be safe from the consequences of
the foolishness that you seek to impose on others, you're all gung-ho for
them.

> You have no idea of how conservative I was
> during the late 1970s through the mid 1980s. I was a full-time mom, doing
> some community volunteer work, and did not enter college until my youngest
> child started high school. I know all about responsibility and setting
> aside my own interests for a higher goal.

Crazy, I really could care less if you were a con-artist-servative during
any time in your life, or a flaming pinko carrying protest signs every
week.  What you were at some time in the past has little bearing on the
damage you're doing NOW.

Why do you feel the need to justify yourself with constant references to
your past?  Are you so unsure of yourself that you have to keep flapping
your gums about how far you've come?

(snip)

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Crazy on anything! (was: Crazy's first hubbie!)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

(snip)

Moi:
> * Right now, one of the biggest threat to the White race is abortion, which
> * is why (I suppose) that liberal twits like you think we're gung-ho to
> * deprive a woman of her "rights".  Tell me, Crazy, WHAT rights, EXACTLY, is
> * a woman losing when she can't abort her unborn child, and how does that
> * compare to protecting the White race with respect to the set of values I
> * outlined above? 
> 
> You are either misunderstanding or deliberately distorting what I wrote: 
> 
>           As long as the women want to crank out babies and stand by
>           their men, they would probably be safe, but they would still
>           be subject to the treatment that their hausfuehrers dish out.

No, one cannot distort a deliberate falsehood.  See, Crazy, my
"misunderstanding" of your original statement was just another way of
saying that you're full of shit.  You don't know ANYTHING about White
Supremacist doctrine, but that ignorance doesn't stop, or even slow you
down, in your stereotyping.
 
> I was not talking about abortion, Les. If you want to talk about that, you
> should start another thread, because it has nothing to do with me. My
> point was that women would be valued only for their childbearing
> capability and their willingness to bolster the egos and reputations of
> their men. While they will never have the respect or importance of Aryan
> men, they can always be grateful that, at least, they weren't born a
> ni**er or a Jew. 
> 
>  See, I (and most WS people) have a different "moral
> * perspective" than mindless automatons like you.
> 
> Ah, you have just tripped over your dick again, Les. How many times did
> you recently berate me for bringing my kids into the world?

Not often.  If I recall, I mentioned it once in passing, then I made a lot
of remarks about how the world would have been better off if YOU had been
aborted.

> It seems that
> you have two sets of values: one that applies to the hordes of "white"
> women in a parallel universe and me, a real "white" woman during the
> 1970s, who made tremendous sacrifices to carry, bear, and nurture her
> children to adulthood. You are a hypocrite and a liar. 

Please.  You, a REAL white woman?  Just because you have a pale
complexion, don't fool yourself for a minute into thinking that that
makes you "White".

(snip)
 
>  You prattle on about "human dignity", but really, you
> * think that the majority of people are going to embrace your rotten ideas
> 
> You don't know me, Les. People who do know me think that my "rotten ideas"
> are pragmatic and honest.

Then the people who know you are just as loopy as you are.

> Everyone who has been reading our interchanges
> here have witnessed you try to twist my words, throw in red herring
> issues, and make statements about me that totally conflict with "the set
> of values" that you claim to espouse concerning "white" women.

Really?  Just who is this semi-legendary "everyone" that you refer to? 
Your liberal fellow-travellers, who bark in approval and clap their flippers
in approval when you give hell to us "Natsees"?  My, I'm just shaking in
my jackboots, that you can muster such FORMIDABLE allies.

> * because you cloak them in meaningless words like "love".
> 
> Well, besides idle speculation about the emptiness of your personal life,
> I don't recall talking about 'luv' around here, especially the meaningless
> kind. When I talk about politics and the human condition, I use terms like
> justice, freedom, dignity, ethics, responsibility, commitment, and
> stewardship. I believe that humans have a duty to care for each other and
> to tread gently upon the earth.  

So you haven't used the word "love", exactly.  It just proves my point,
though, seeing you rant on with words like "justice, freedom, dignity,
ethics (ha!), responsibility (double ha!), commitment, and stewardship". 
It shows how you twist the meanings of those particular words to give some
sort of currency and relevance to your whacko ideas.
 
(snip)

> You just cannot create enough stereotypes to throw in my direction, can
> you? I don't think that I'm all that special. After all, I'm not one of
> these silver spooned, high on theory but low on life experience, "liberal"
> academians that you like to chastise for not living in the real world.
> I've already earned my "been there, did that, bought the stinkin'
> tee-shirt" diploma from the School of Hard Knocks in Real Life University
> (tm). 

Gee, for someone who's had so much like experience, you're still pretty
stupid.  Wonder why that is.
 
> You hawk your white supremacist philosophy to people who come from similar
> life experiences as mine, trying to get those who are disgruntled and/or
> down on their luck to join with you to undermine and overthrow a political
> system that is no longer responsive to the great white race. Les, why am I
> not on your side? How did I slip through the cracks if your cause is based
> on truth and a set of values that, according to you, are in my best
> interests?

That's easy.  You "slipped through the cracks" because you're too (stupid,
ignorant) to recognize truth and reality when it's presented to you.  We
don't seek out losers - if we did, we'd obviously be spending more time
trying to get YOU on side.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 10:59:17 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: New Jew boy Jokes
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TonyCapone (tonycapone@aol.com) wrote:
> Here is another jew joke that I heard recently.  remember, if you kow any
> good ones, please post them..... I want this thread to keep going.

> One day, this rich jew named Moshie decided to write his will.  He was
> near death, and he wanted to leave his riches to others.  So he was
> talking to his lawyer Herb.  "Herb" he says, "I want you to leave 3
> million to the Negro College Fund, 4 million for the B'Nai B'Rith society,
> and 5 million for the Nazi Party."
> "What?" exclaimed Herb, "the Nazi Party?, Are you sure you know what your
> doing?  I thought you were a good Jew."
> "Ah, Herb," says Moishe, while he is rolling up his sleeve, "if it weren't
> for them, I would not have my lucky Lotto numbers"

This one is REMARKABLY funny!

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 10:59:18 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: White vs. white (was: O.J. a racist? You decide!!!)
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Lane Singer (lsinger@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)
 
> : I said that Nicole (Brown Simpson) was not White.  I never denied
> : the reality of her complexion, like some people around here do with the
> : Romans, whom I won't name, but whose initials are Lane Singer.
> 
> you know you really shouldn't keep bringing that thread up,
> les. you copped out without ever really explaining why the
> Romans wrote voluminously about the strange coloring of the
> northern, skin-wearing barbarians you like to call "aryans."

I didn't "cop out".  I had made my point, which was that you were (and
are) so far out in left field, that you were allowing your desires to come
before facts.  Hey, you *WANT* to believe that the Romans were wogs, so
you will.  To hell with what *anyone*, Tacitus or other, wrote, right?

> if the white, white skin, the blond hair and blue eyes were 
> so unsual to the Romans, it logically follows that the Romans
> weren't aryans. but don't muss your little head up about logic,
> les. we all know that it's verboten in your ranks.
>
> of course you tried to change the subject completely by pointing
> to one writer whom you interpreted to have been impressed with
> the "homogeneity" of the barbarians, but even this goes against
> your own assertions that the Romans were the self-same aryans
> as you claim the barbarians were.
> 
> you know how people one race think everyone in another looks
> the same. so it would follow that tacitus  was of a different
> race altogether than these strange, ghostlike apparitions from
> the north.

Not at all.  I love the way you leftists slaughter logic like this; it
shows to the 'Net that you're all a bunch of dogmatic, zealous freaks far
better than I ever could.

Your "reasoning", such as it was, went like this:  the Romans wrote about
the fair complexions and hair of the Germans, because they themselves
weren't fair of colour.  By that reasoning, am I to understand that
Tacitus ALSO wrote about the ferocity and love of war of the Germans
because the Romans themselves were a bunch of pacifists?

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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"John Q. Public" (capmicro@execpc.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

>>Are
>>you next gonna tell us that the first thing Hitler did when he came to
>>power was snatch all the guns?
> 
> Irrelevant.  I've got mine, and you won't get them without taking
> losses.  Got that, Les?

Irrelevant?  No.  While you're posturing with your chest out about
"Natsees" coming to snatch your guns away, the liberals are the ones who
are going to do it.

Les

P.S.:  It's usually the tough talkers like you who are the first to
surrender.
 




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 10:59:20 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: White vs. white (was: O.J. a racist? You decide!!!)
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Lane Singer (lsinger@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Your "reasoning", such as it was, went like this:  the Romans wrote about
> : the fair complexions and hair of the Germans, because they themselves
> : weren't fair of colour.  By that reasoning, am I to understand that
> : Tacitus ALSO wrote about the ferocity and love of war of the Germans
> : because the Romans themselves were a bunch of pacifists?
> 
> les, you just cannot comprehend the simplest fact. Roman testimony
> made it very clear that they thought the blond hair, etc., to be
> quite unusual. 
>
> this is what they wrote, this is what they meant, and this is
> what i reported, although you just can't, as i said, comprehend
> much of anything.

Yes, that is what you reported.  Then you went off on a tangent about how
this "proved" that the Romans were short, squat darkies.  The Romans in
Tacitus' time had LOTS of exposure to non-Romans, and were mildly
surprised at the physical homogeneity of the Germans.  They weren't
jaw-dropping stunned by it.

> you wrote that the Romans were aryans, just like the barbarians.
> you are wrong.

Because you say so?  Sorry, you'll understand, I hope, when I say that I
need a little more authority than a dogmatic zealout like you to confirm
that for me.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 10:59:21 PDT 1995
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Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Human instinct.  Interesting to hear you refering to something that you
>   :obviously have NO regard for anymore.  Let me fill you in on something
>   :that may not have filtered through to your little pea-brain yet:  my
>   :idealogy (SIC!) is not fucked.  National Socialism is much more in tune
>   :with human instincts than liberalism,
> 
> Rape, cannibalism, and tribal warfare are much more in tune with human
> instincts than their opposites.

In your world, maybe.

> The history of human civilization ofer the
> last few thousand years has been one of subordinating instinct to reason.

Subordinating is considerably different than ignoring outright.

> Nation-states and treaties are less instinctually easy than tribes and
> constant warfare. National Socialism is inherently hostile to this trend
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> toward reason.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It is?  Well, gosh-golly-darn, learn something new every day!

> In its rhetoric, philosophy, and symbols, the Nazis managed an odd
> ideological marriage--a fundamentally anti-rational romanticism, but
> aggressively technologically modern. It is a marriage that has not been
> seen in any sizeable way before or since, a dissonant ideology which one
> author has labelled "reactionary modernism".

Raggedy, this sort of stuff belongs in alt.satanism, not here.
 
>    The whole anti-western legacy of German nationalism suggested that 
>    such a reconciliation between soul and technology was out of the 
>    question, for nothing could be more at odds with German culture. 
>    But the reactionary modernists recognized that antitechnological 
>    views were formulas for national impotence. [...] As Joseph Goebbels
>    repeatedly insisted, this was to be the century of /stählernde Romantik/,
>    steellike romanticism. [p. 3]
> 
>    From Neitzsche through Junger and then Goebbels, the the modernist 
>    credo was  the triumph of spirit and will over reason and the 
>    subsequent fusion of this will to an aesthetic mode. If aesthetic 
>    experience alone justifies life, morality is suspended and desire 
>    knows no limits.[...]As aesthetic standards replaced moral norms, 
>    modernism indulged a fascination for horror and violence as a welcome 
>    relief to bourgeois boredom and decadence. [...] When modernists turned 
>    to politics, they sought engagement, commitment, and authenticity, 
>    experiences the Fascists and Nazis promised to provide. [p. 13]
> 
>    The reactionary modernists were /irrationalists/. They simply despised 
>    reason and denigrated its role in political and social affairs.  [...] 
>    the reactionary modernists spoke spoke what Adorno labeled the "jargon 
>    of authenticity" in which certain absolutes such as blood, race, and 
>    soil were placed beyond rational justification. In their view reason 
>    itself was /lebensfiendlich/, or "hostile to life". [p. 14]
> 
> Herf, Jeffrey. Reactionary Modernism. New York: Cambridge University
> Press, 1984. All emphasis as in the original. Any typos mine.
>
> That, Les, is a citation.

And it is also, Raggedy, a load of psycho-babble. 

>   :but we also recognize that humans are NOT animals.
> 
> Oh, really? Your ideology defines human life and individual freedom as
> valuable only if, and to the extent that, they further your ends.

But at least we're HONEST about it.  Liberals are the ones you're most
likely to hear cracking jokes (behind their hands, of course), about
"mongoloids" and "sub-standard intelligence".

>   :You prattle on about "human dignity", but really, you think that the
> majority 
>   :of people are going to embrace your rotten ideas because you cloak them in 
>   :meaningless words like "love".
> 
> "Race" is an absolute object of reverence, so manifest that it needs not
> be rationally defined. "Love" is a meaningless word. There, in a nutshell,
> we have the essence of Naziism.

Meaningless only when you guys are called on it.  Otherwise, it's the
force animating your ideals

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 11:03:16 PDT 1995
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Subject: The same old shit...
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Seems some of the liberal brains are up to their old games of "You Nazis
aren't a majority of people, so you're powerless!"  Can't seem to get it
across to them that we aren't interested in a large number of sheep, like
they are, but that the only majority that appeals to us is a majority of will.

Les



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Subject: Another fun game!
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1)  Take a Star of David.

2)  Count the number of points.

3)  Count the number of sides.

4)  Count the number of interstices (where the lines meet).

5)  Write 'em all down.

6)  By gum if you don't get 6-6-6!

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 11:03:18 PDT 1995
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Ash (ashleys@nbnet.nb.ca) writes:
>>
>>Seems some of the liberal brains are up to their old games of "You Nazis
>>aren't a majority of people, so you're powerless!"  Can't seem to get it
>>across to them that we aren't interested in a large number of sheep, like
>>they are, but that the only majority that appeals to us is a majority of will.
>>
>>Les
>>
> We didn't say you aren't the majority thus have no powere.  What we do say
> is that your ideas are so outrageously silly that they would not be accepted
> by the majority.  You can't have a majority of will if your ideas aren't
> shared by the majority.

Sure we can.  What planet are you living on?

> You seem to think differently.  Please explain this to the rest of us.

Although you guys are generally unable to comprehend that not everyone is
a mindless cypher, just WAITING to happily take orders from you liberals,
and joyfully make mud-patties with every featherless biped, I have some
hope that some of you CAN be reached.  See, some people are more willful
than others, and one person can have more force of will than ten liberal
sheep.

Les



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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip - Crazy's lame flame attempts, and pathetic attempts at
self-aggrandizement, deleted)

> * You come on here preaching about how you "know" all about us,
> * 'cause your first husband was an alcoholic wife-beater, who happened to
> * dislike folks darker than he.
> 
> If I recall correctly, my first marriage came up during a discussion about
> women's roles in WS society and whether women would be considered equal to
> men. None of you WS adherents have written anything that would convince me
> that women would have equivalent privileges and protections intrinsic to
> WS men.

And WHERE did we say that we CARE what a liberal shit like you thinks? 
No-one could care less how threatened you feel by WS people being in
charge, and your pathetic attempts to portray us as something we're not
(ie, misogynists) is laughable.

> In today's big push to jumpstart your race war, women would be
> allowed to have more options as the 'Rosie the Riveters' for short term
> gains, but how about after your all-whitey homeland is established? You
> wouldn't have all of the 'liberals', 'race-traitors' and 'mudpeople' to
> talk down to and blame your failures on, so women would be the logical
> group to put in their place. As long as the women want to crank out babies
> and stand by their men, they would probably be safe, but they would still
> be subject to the treatment that their hausfuehrers dish out. 

What you don't seem to understand (I suspect that you do, but the idea of
responsibility scares the willies out of you) is that if ANYONE'S
self-interest collides with the survival and advancement of the White
race, then the survival of the White race can and will take precedence. 
Right now, one of the biggest threat to the White race is abortion, which
is why (I suppose) that liberal twits like you think we're gung-ho to
deprive a woman of her "rights".  Tell me, Crazy, WHAT rights, EXACTLY, is
a woman losing when she can't abort her unborn child, and how does that
compare to protecting the White race with respect to the set of values I
outlined above?  See, I (and most WS people) have a different "moral
perspective" than mindless automatons like you.

(snip)

> * > BTW, you may want to know that this "typical liberal" would have shot him
> * > if he'd touched me again. We had several guns in our house, and I used to
> * > enjoy shooting targets with him.
> * 
> * More liberal hypocrisy.  "Guns are bad, but I would have willingly shot my
> * abusive first husband!"  And then we're subjected to liberal screeching
> * about domestic homicides...
> 
> Just because you have labeled me a liberal doesn't mean it's true,
> cockroach-boy. At that time, I was apolitical -- hell, I wasn't even old
> enough to vote! I was, however, willing to protect myself and my children
> from abuse. That was human instinct and had nothing to do with politics.
> Your idealogy is still fucked.

Human instinct.  Interesting to hear you refering to something that you
obviously have NO regard for anymore.  Let me fill you in on something
that may not have filtered through to your little pea-brain yet:  my
idealogy (SIC!) is not fucked.  National Socialism is much more in tune
with human instincts than liberalism, but we also recognize that humans
are NOT animals.  You prattle on about "human dignity", but really, you
think that the majority of people are going to embrace your rotten ideas
because you cloak them in meaningless words like "love".

(snip)

> * > * Well, I can't speak for Dr. Pierce, but my opinion on abortion is that
> * > * it's wrong, unless it's for eugenic purposes, ie if the pregnancy will
> * > * bring an inferior baby into the world.  You, for example, should be the
> * > * poster-child for coat-hangers.  The best part of YOU obviously ran down
> * > * your mother's legs.
> 
> You have the audacity to to say that I should be a poster-child for coat
> hangers? I was the twelfth child in my family, born to a 44 year old
> mother and 54 year old father, both having less than an 8th grade
> education.  I was a breach baby, conceived after my mother's onset of
> menopause, with her almost dying to bring me into the world. I am a
> survivor, Les. Everything that I've gone though has made me stronger, and
> I don't back down or run away from anything or anyone.

My, I'm just shitting my pants that you're so "tough".  You must have some
major insecurities if you have to constantly blow your own trumpet.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 11:03:19 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: O.J. a racist? You decide!!!
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Lane Singer (lsinger@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Nicole Brown... well, what the hell did we lose with her?  She may have
> : had white skin, but she wasn't White.
> 
> ok, i can't resist. les, tell me: how can you say that nicole brown
> wasn't white?

Simple, Lane "the Romans were brown-skinned" Singer:  Nicole expressed
values that NO White man or woman would have held, and she bore O.J. TWO
pickaninnies.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 11:03:20 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: O.J. a racist?  You decide!!!
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 (Rick Jones) writes:

(snip - Rick telling me more than I'd ever want to know about liberal
mating rituals)

> If O.J. Simpson is going out with Paula Barbieri, it seems pretty obvious to
> me and anyone else with a working brain that he's doing so because of
> his own motivations.  If Paula Barbieri's going out with O.J. Simpson, (I
> don't know if she is anymore) then that's because of HER motivations.
> Why else would you go out with someone?  The days of arranged 
> marriages are fast dying.

Fame?  Notoriety?  She somehow thinks that she's immune to being a)
abused, and b) killed, by the savage O.J.

(snip)

> By the way, Les, why do you refuse to address the issue of your claiming
> Hitler was blond?

Because (for the umpteenth time) I never DID claim that Hitler was blond. 
Of course, I can't expect anything more from someone who gets his
information from Moffit the Frog's sig.  Second of all, I HAVE explained
to all you late-comers what I DID say, and from where I got my
information, and thirdly, you're an asshole.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 11:03:21 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The same old shit...
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Andy "Big cloth doll guy" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Seems some of the liberal brains are up to their old games of "You Nazis
>   :aren't a majority of people, so you're powerless!"  Can't seem to get it
>   :across to them that we aren't interested in a large number of sheep, like
>   :they are, but that the only majority that appeals to us is a majority of 
>   :will.
> 
> A "majority of will," whatever the hell that means, is insufficient.
> Minorities can, do, and have made policy--but they need intelligence,
> dilligence, and fairly large numbers. A driven 1% can't change policy. A
> determined 25% can.

Thanks for the info, but I get the DISTINCT impression that your numbers
are more a reflection of your own wishful thinking (and fear) than a
statement of observation.  Besides, what makes you think that we don't
HAVE the support of 25% of the population?  Just because 1 in 4 people
aren't hanging swastika flags out their windows AT THIS TIME, is not proof
positive that they are HOSTILE to us.

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 11:03:22 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: White vs. white (was: O.J. a racist? You decide!!!)
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Lane Singer (lsinger@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)
 
> : Nicole (brown Simpson) expressed values that NO White man or woman would
> : have held
> 
> so this made her not-white? this is a new wrinkle on your ever
> more convoluted definition of who's white and who's not. a
> very interesting one, as well. 

Pay attention, scum.  I said that Nicole was not White.  I never denied
the reality of her complexion, like some people around here do with the
Romans, whom I won't name, but whose initials are Lane Singer.

> does this mean that if an intelligent or humane thought somehow 
> manages to flit across the screen of your mind, you'll all
> of a sudden become not-white too?

You have a rather interesting definition of "intelligent or humane
thoughts".  Obviously, miscegenation is "intelligent" and "humane" in your
world, as is participating in drug-soaked lesbian orgies (read Faye
Resnick's autobiography, in which Nicole features prominently).

> also, what about if nicole had recanted her "ways" and joined WAR -- would
> she have turned white again?

Nope.  WAR, in the first place, wouldn't have touched that race-traitorous
slut with a ten-foot pole.  Nor would have any dedicated pro-White group.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 11:03:23 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Liberal motivations...
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It's interesting, and quite helpful, when liberals tell us why they
believe the way they do.  Evil Beavis, for example, has told us that he
has a negress girlfriend in the States, so one can understand his
commitment to advocating racial equality.  William R. Discipio, too, has
admitted that he is in a mixed-race marriage, so one can understand HIS
fascination with "Nazis", and the wild abandon with which he flings the
term at ANYONE who has the SLIGHTEST reservations about miscegenation. 
But that leaves a rather large contingent of liberals without the
necessary background information for us to come to the proper conclusions
about their motivations.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Nigger-made metalwork?  HAHAHAHAHA...you niggers are real jokers.
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Foot-boy evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:

(snip)

> All you have proved, KT, is that you're adept at name calling. If you had an 
> education and read history you would know that Africans were very skillful in the 
> art of metallurgy in their days...

"... in their days".  Amazing.  Liberals like you are going on and on and
ON about how the negroes had an amazing civilization IN THE PAST, and that
we should accept this as having some sort of relevance to their current
status as mill-stones about our necks, yet you freak out when WHITES start
talking about the accomplishments of THEIR ancestors, saying that it
didn't happen that way, or else that we can't take the credit for what our
ancestors did.  Strange in the extreme.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 11:03:24 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Hitler:Tall and Blonde?!? (wasRe: Les Griswold: We Need Answers!)
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Lester Toews (mct394@freenet.mb.ca) writes:
> On 6 Oct 1995, J. E. Cowen wrote:
> 
>> In alt.politics.white-power Rick Jones said: 
>> > 
>> >Les Griswold!  There you are.  Still made no headway on proving your
>> bizarre  
>> >claim that Adolf Hitler was blonde and tall, I see.  Where is it?  Or are
>> you  
> 
> I must have missed this.

You couldn't have, since I never said it.
 
> Did Griswold actually post that Adolf Hitler was blonde and tall?

Nope.  I posted that, according to an aquaintance of mine, who knew a
former member of the SA, Hitler was about 6 feet tall, had light brown
(note:  NOT blond!) hair, and blue eyes.  Of course, "light brown" is too
long for the towering intellects of semitophiles to remember, so they
shortened it to "blond", and to hell with the accuracy.

> Did anyone save that post?
> 
> Could they re-send it to the newsgroup?

I'm sure someone saved it, but don't hold your breath waiting for it to be
reposted, for it would show, once and for all, what sort of lying little
jerks the jews and their admirers are.
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 11:03:25 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberal motivations...
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Racial Theorist (xyz@scsn.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>It's interesting, and quite helpful, when liberals tell us why they
>>believe the way they do.  Evil Beavis, for example, has told us that he
>>has a negress girlfriend in the States, so one can understand his
>>commitment to advocating racial equality.  William R. Discipio, too, has
>>admitted that he is in a mixed-race marriage, so one can understand HIS
>>fascination with "Nazis", and the wild abandon with which he flings the
>>term at ANYONE who has the SLIGHTEST reservations about miscegenation. 
>>But that leaves a rather large contingent of liberals without the
>>necessary background information for us to come to the proper conclusions
>>about their motivations.
> 
> 	what the deal is, is that most all of these libs on this ng are just
> as racists as we are.  they're like this guy i know in real life who
> claims to be a multiculturalist lib.  he claims not to be prejudice.
> i was telling him the other day, "maybe you ain't prejudice, but why
> don't i ever see you hanging around with a bunch of stinking nigras?"
> of course he didn't have an answer to that question.

True enough.  Liberals are liberal in inverse proportion to the amount
that their liberalism affects them directly.  They don't mind putting
OTHERS at risk through their bizarre theories, and they have no qualms
about putting the children of "racists" at risk, but heaven forbid that
they actually have to face the same consequences themselves!

> 	aside from evil--who's probably lying about his aunt jemima
> girlfriend--and this other guy--i doubt very seriously that the
> motivation of any of thse libs could be that they have a nigress
> girlfriend because most all the nigresses i ever known wouldn't have
> nothing to do with these wimps.  so they must have some other
> motivation.

That's possibly true, but I cannot for the life of me imagine what it
could be.  I can't imagine what could possibly be the motivation of most
of them.  I mean, I know that a few libs are truly whacko, and actually
WANT to be abased before negroes and other non-whites, but the vast
majority aren't that pathetic.

Les




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 (Rick Jones) writes:
> ver said he was blond.  But then again, it's not surprising that you've
>>  taken up the misquote from some jew or other, and are running around like
>>  a goon, with a big sappy grin on your face.  Well, keep it up.
> 
> I didn't know you were Jewish.
> 
> You quite specifically stated that he was, and that you
> got this information from some guy whose father was in the SA.
> 
> Thanks for backing down, Les.  One more lie you've been caught
> in.  I win.

Sorry, even your jewish buddies won't back you up on this one.  I quite
specifically said that I had hear that Hitler was about 6 feet tall, had
light brown hair, and blue eyes.  I also reported that I had heard it from
an aquaintance of mine, who knew a former memeber of the SA.  I never said
anything about anyone's father in the SA; why not ask Jimmie McCarthy
about it, I'm sure he's archived it.  Or you can bother Ken McOyVay for it.

Les




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Subject: Re: Liberal motivations...
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Foot-boy evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  It's interesting, and quite helpful, when liberals tell us why they
>>  believe the way they do.  Evil Beavis, for example, has told us that he
>>  has a negress girlfriend in the States, so one can understand his
>>  commitment to advocating racial equality.  William R. Discipio, too, has
>>  admitted that he is in a mixed-race marriage, so one can understand HIS
>>  fascination with "Nazis", and the wild abandon with which he flings the
>>  term at ANYONE who has the SLIGHTEST reservations about miscegenation. 
>>  But that leaves a rather large contingent of liberals without the
>>  necessary background information for us to come to the proper conclusions
>>  about their motivations.

> I advocate equality because it's right. Oh yeah, and because it pisses you
> off too...!

Gee, Beaver, is it ever nice to know that you have your opinions just to
piss me off!  Boy, bet that makes your negress girlfriend feel real
special.

Les



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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

> * And WHERE did we say that we CARE what a liberal shit like you thinks? 
> * No-one could care less how threatened you feel by WS people being in
> * charge, and your pathetic attempts to portray us as something we're not
> * (ie, misogynists) is laughable.
> 
> Your own words are exposing you for who you are.

Which is...?

> I don't believe that you
> hate all women, but you certainly are threatened by women who don't
> readily feed into your political philosophy. BTW, who appointed you
> spokesman for everyone who is subscribed to these newsgroups, Les? 

The same person who told you to come on here and whine and complain, and
flame WS people with stereotypes just like the ones that you freak out
about when we say them about non-white folk.

> You come on here and fart and belch and thump your chest on behalf of of
> your knuckle-dragging fraternity and, while your stench is strong enough
> to make decent people want to puke, you are still only one person. What IS
> laughable here is your piss-poor Tarzan impersonations that you're trying
> to pass off as white supremacist science, history, and morality. You spend
> your time yodeling about being king of the jungle and bitching about
> Cheetah trying to nuzzle up to Jane and pilfer food from your treehouse.
> (That was a metaphor, mighty-whities, so don't start claiming I was
> referring to anyone as apes.)

Crazy, you're truly bizarre.  If anyone here is piss-poor, it's you, with
your hackneyed, cliched statements about warm-fuzzies.  Don't you get it? 
Your ideas just aren't relevant anymore, and it scares the HELL out of you
to realize that you're being thrown to the side, doesn't it?

(snip)

> * What you don't seem to understand (I suspect that you do, but the idea of
> * responsibility scares the willies out of you) is that if ANYONE'S
> * self-interest collides with the survival and advancement of the White
> * race, then the survival of the White race can and will take precedence. 
> 
> Please. Rob and I raised two kids, and I always put the needs of my
> husband and children first.

How typically liberal:  now that YOU will be safe from the consequences of
the foolishness that you seek to impose on others, you're all gung-ho for
them.

> You have no idea of how conservative I was
> during the late 1970s through the mid 1980s. I was a full-time mom, doing
> some community volunteer work, and did not enter college until my youngest
> child started high school. I know all about responsibility and setting
> aside my own interests for a higher goal.

Crazy, I really could care less if you were a con-artist-servative during
any time in your life, or a flaming pinko carrying protest signs every
week.  What you were at some time in the past has little bearing on the
damage you're doing NOW.

Why do you feel the need to justify yourself with constant references to
your past?  Are you so unsure of yourself that you have to keep flapping
your gums about how far you've come?

(snip)

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 11:03:29 PDT 1995
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Subject: Crazy on anything! (was: Crazy's first hubbie!)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

(snip)

Moi:
> * Right now, one of the biggest threat to the White race is abortion, which
> * is why (I suppose) that liberal twits like you think we're gung-ho to
> * deprive a woman of her "rights".  Tell me, Crazy, WHAT rights, EXACTLY, is
> * a woman losing when she can't abort her unborn child, and how does that
> * compare to protecting the White race with respect to the set of values I
> * outlined above? 
> 
> You are either misunderstanding or deliberately distorting what I wrote: 
> 
>           As long as the women want to crank out babies and stand by
>           their men, they would probably be safe, but they would still
>           be subject to the treatment that their hausfuehrers dish out.

No, one cannot distort a deliberate falsehood.  See, Crazy, my
"misunderstanding" of your original statement was just another way of
saying that you're full of shit.  You don't know ANYTHING about White
Supremacist doctrine, but that ignorance doesn't stop, or even slow you
down, in your stereotyping.
 
> I was not talking about abortion, Les. If you want to talk about that, you
> should start another thread, because it has nothing to do with me. My
> point was that women would be valued only for their childbearing
> capability and their willingness to bolster the egos and reputations of
> their men. While they will never have the respect or importance of Aryan
> men, they can always be grateful that, at least, they weren't born a
> ni**er or a Jew. 
> 
>  See, I (and most WS people) have a different "moral
> * perspective" than mindless automatons like you.
> 
> Ah, you have just tripped over your dick again, Les. How many times did
> you recently berate me for bringing my kids into the world?

Not often.  If I recall, I mentioned it once in passing, then I made a lot
of remarks about how the world would have been better off if YOU had been
aborted.

> It seems that
> you have two sets of values: one that applies to the hordes of "white"
> women in a parallel universe and me, a real "white" woman during the
> 1970s, who made tremendous sacrifices to carry, bear, and nurture her
> children to adulthood. You are a hypocrite and a liar. 

Please.  You, a REAL white woman?  Just because you have a pale
complexion, don't fool yourself for a minute into thinking that that
makes you "White".

(snip)
 
>  You prattle on about "human dignity", but really, you
> * think that the majority of people are going to embrace your rotten ideas
> 
> You don't know me, Les. People who do know me think that my "rotten ideas"
> are pragmatic and honest.

Then the people who know you are just as loopy as you are.

> Everyone who has been reading our interchanges
> here have witnessed you try to twist my words, throw in red herring
> issues, and make statements about me that totally conflict with "the set
> of values" that you claim to espouse concerning "white" women.

Really?  Just who is this semi-legendary "everyone" that you refer to? 
Your liberal fellow-travellers, who bark in approval and clap their flippers
in approval when you give hell to us "Natsees"?  My, I'm just shaking in
my jackboots, that you can muster such FORMIDABLE allies.

> * because you cloak them in meaningless words like "love".
> 
> Well, besides idle speculation about the emptiness of your personal life,
> I don't recall talking about 'luv' around here, especially the meaningless
> kind. When I talk about politics and the human condition, I use terms like
> justice, freedom, dignity, ethics, responsibility, commitment, and
> stewardship. I believe that humans have a duty to care for each other and
> to tread gently upon the earth.  

So you haven't used the word "love", exactly.  It just proves my point,
though, seeing you rant on with words like "justice, freedom, dignity,
ethics (ha!), responsibility (double ha!), commitment, and stewardship". 
It shows how you twist the meanings of those particular words to give some
sort of currency and relevance to your whacko ideas.
 
(snip)

> You just cannot create enough stereotypes to throw in my direction, can
> you? I don't think that I'm all that special. After all, I'm not one of
> these silver spooned, high on theory but low on life experience, "liberal"
> academians that you like to chastise for not living in the real world.
> I've already earned my "been there, did that, bought the stinkin'
> tee-shirt" diploma from the School of Hard Knocks in Real Life University
> (tm). 

Gee, for someone who's had so much like experience, you're still pretty
stupid.  Wonder why that is.
 
> You hawk your white supremacist philosophy to people who come from similar
> life experiences as mine, trying to get those who are disgruntled and/or
> down on their luck to join with you to undermine and overthrow a political
> system that is no longer responsive to the great white race. Les, why am I
> not on your side? How did I slip through the cracks if your cause is based
> on truth and a set of values that, according to you, are in my best
> interests?

That's easy.  You "slipped through the cracks" because you're too (stupid,
ignorant) to recognize truth and reality when it's presented to you.  We
don't seek out losers - if we did, we'd obviously be spending more time
trying to get YOU on side.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 11:03:30 PDT 1995
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Lane Singer (lsinger@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)
 
> : I said that Nicole (Brown Simpson) was not White.  I never denied
> : the reality of her complexion, like some people around here do with the
> : Romans, whom I won't name, but whose initials are Lane Singer.
> 
> you know you really shouldn't keep bringing that thread up,
> les. you copped out without ever really explaining why the
> Romans wrote voluminously about the strange coloring of the
> northern, skin-wearing barbarians you like to call "aryans."

I didn't "cop out".  I had made my point, which was that you were (and
are) so far out in left field, that you were allowing your desires to come
before facts.  Hey, you *WANT* to believe that the Romans were wogs, so
you will.  To hell with what *anyone*, Tacitus or other, wrote, right?

> if the white, white skin, the blond hair and blue eyes were 
> so unsual to the Romans, it logically follows that the Romans
> weren't aryans. but don't muss your little head up about logic,
> les. we all know that it's verboten in your ranks.
>
> of course you tried to change the subject completely by pointing
> to one writer whom you interpreted to have been impressed with
> the "homogeneity" of the barbarians, but even this goes against
> your own assertions that the Romans were the self-same aryans
> as you claim the barbarians were.
> 
> you know how people one race think everyone in another looks
> the same. so it would follow that tacitus  was of a different
> race altogether than these strange, ghostlike apparitions from
> the north.

Not at all.  I love the way you leftists slaughter logic like this; it
shows to the 'Net that you're all a bunch of dogmatic, zealous freaks far
better than I ever could.

Your "reasoning", such as it was, went like this:  the Romans wrote about
the fair complexions and hair of the Germans, because they themselves
weren't fair of colour.  By that reasoning, am I to understand that
Tacitus ALSO wrote about the ferocity and love of war of the Germans
because the Romans themselves were a bunch of pacifists?

Les




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Foot-boy evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:

(snip)

> Well, like I said earlier - let's put them (ie, Whites) in the Sahara or
>Kalahari deserts and see what kind of beautiful civilization they will 
>develop!

GUARANTEED that it would be better than any garbage-dump "nation" in black
Africa.

Les



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"John Q. Public" (capmicro@execpc.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

>>Are
>>you next gonna tell us that the first thing Hitler did when he came to
>>power was snatch all the guns?
> 
> Irrelevant.  I've got mine, and you won't get them without taking
> losses.  Got that, Les?

Irrelevant?  No.  While you're posturing with your chest out about
"Natsees" coming to snatch your guns away, the liberals are the ones who
are going to do it.

Les

P.S.:  It's usually the tough talkers like you who are the first to
surrender.
 




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 (Rick Jones) writes:
>>   saxon@onramp.net (Eric J. Wheelock) writes:
>>  Exactly.  The "Civilized Man" (and I use that word sparingly even in quotes) 
>>  dismisses things he cannot argue with.  My post contained FACTS.  Facts that 
>>  the black community has regularly embraced convicted criminals as hero's. 
> 
> Of course, whites NEVER do this, rwe're to believe?

The difference is the frequency with which Whites do it, compared to how
often negroes do it.

Les



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Lane Singer (lsinger@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Your "reasoning", such as it was, went like this:  the Romans wrote about
> : the fair complexions and hair of the Germans, because they themselves
> : weren't fair of colour.  By that reasoning, am I to understand that
> : Tacitus ALSO wrote about the ferocity and love of war of the Germans
> : because the Romans themselves were a bunch of pacifists?
> 
> les, you just cannot comprehend the simplest fact. Roman testimony
> made it very clear that they thought the blond hair, etc., to be
> quite unusual. 
>
> this is what they wrote, this is what they meant, and this is
> what i reported, although you just can't, as i said, comprehend
> much of anything.

Yes, that is what you reported.  Then you went off on a tangent about how
this "proved" that the Romans were short, squat darkies.  The Romans in
Tacitus' time had LOTS of exposure to non-Romans, and were mildly
surprised at the physical homogeneity of the Germans.  They weren't
jaw-dropping stunned by it.

> you wrote that the Romans were aryans, just like the barbarians.
> you are wrong.

Because you say so?  Sorry, you'll understand, I hope, when I say that I
need a little more authority than a dogmatic zealout like you to confirm
that for me.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 11:03:34 PDT 1995
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Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Human instinct.  Interesting to hear you refering to something that you
>   :obviously have NO regard for anymore.  Let me fill you in on something
>   :that may not have filtered through to your little pea-brain yet:  my
>   :idealogy (SIC!) is not fucked.  National Socialism is much more in tune
>   :with human instincts than liberalism,
> 
> Rape, cannibalism, and tribal warfare are much more in tune with human
> instincts than their opposites.

In your world, maybe.

> The history of human civilization ofer the
> last few thousand years has been one of subordinating instinct to reason.

Subordinating is considerably different than ignoring outright.

> Nation-states and treaties are less instinctually easy than tribes and
> constant warfare. National Socialism is inherently hostile to this trend
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> toward reason.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It is?  Well, gosh-golly-darn, learn something new every day!

> In its rhetoric, philosophy, and symbols, the Nazis managed an odd
> ideological marriage--a fundamentally anti-rational romanticism, but
> aggressively technologically modern. It is a marriage that has not been
> seen in any sizeable way before or since, a dissonant ideology which one
> author has labelled "reactionary modernism".

Raggedy, this sort of stuff belongs in alt.satanism, not here.
 
>    The whole anti-western legacy of German nationalism suggested that 
>    such a reconciliation between soul and technology was out of the 
>    question, for nothing could be more at odds with German culture. 
>    But the reactionary modernists recognized that antitechnological 
>    views were formulas for national impotence. [...] As Joseph Goebbels
>    repeatedly insisted, this was to be the century of /stählernde Romantik/,
>    steellike romanticism. [p. 3]
> 
>    From Neitzsche through Junger and then Goebbels, the the modernist 
>    credo was  the triumph of spirit and will over reason and the 
>    subsequent fusion of this will to an aesthetic mode. If aesthetic 
>    experience alone justifies life, morality is suspended and desire 
>    knows no limits.[...]As aesthetic standards replaced moral norms, 
>    modernism indulged a fascination for horror and violence as a welcome 
>    relief to bourgeois boredom and decadence. [...] When modernists turned 
>    to politics, they sought engagement, commitment, and authenticity, 
>    experiences the Fascists and Nazis promised to provide. [p. 13]
> 
>    The reactionary modernists were /irrationalists/. They simply despised 
>    reason and denigrated its role in political and social affairs.  [...] 
>    the reactionary modernists spoke spoke what Adorno labeled the "jargon 
>    of authenticity" in which certain absolutes such as blood, race, and 
>    soil were placed beyond rational justification. In their view reason 
>    itself was /lebensfiendlich/, or "hostile to life". [p. 14]
> 
> Herf, Jeffrey. Reactionary Modernism. New York: Cambridge University
> Press, 1984. All emphasis as in the original. Any typos mine.
>
> That, Les, is a citation.

And it is also, Raggedy, a load of psycho-babble. 

>   :but we also recognize that humans are NOT animals.
> 
> Oh, really? Your ideology defines human life and individual freedom as
> valuable only if, and to the extent that, they further your ends.

But at least we're HONEST about it.  Liberals are the ones you're most
likely to hear cracking jokes (behind their hands, of course), about
"mongoloids" and "sub-standard intelligence".

>   :You prattle on about "human dignity", but really, you think that the
> majority 
>   :of people are going to embrace your rotten ideas because you cloak them in 
>   :meaningless words like "love".
> 
> "Race" is an absolute object of reverence, so manifest that it needs not
> be rationally defined. "Love" is a meaningless word. There, in a nutshell,
> we have the essence of Naziism.

Meaningless only when you guys are called on it.  Otherwise, it's the
force animating your ideals

Les




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Sherwin (syc225@nwu.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Our media culture and childhood experiences probably have just as much
> impact on our criteria for choosing our mates as "genetic programming" (or
> even Oedipus complex?) if it even exists.  One of the most important
> criterion in selecting a mate is not race-related, as many of us would
> believe, but health-related.  In short, we tend to date and eventually wed
> those who appear healthy (and have a good sense of humor, blah blah
> blah).  

Read the _Mahabharata_, you'd see some really nifty advice on the
selection of a mate.  You'd also see how people defined "health", and
you'd see that the American cult of the mongrel is a recent aberation.

Les




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 (Rick Jones) writes:
>>  >Why is O.J. going out with/marrying/shacking up with a White woman again,
>>  
>>  If you've seen a picture of Paula Barbieri, you might find a clue, Les.
> 
> Les thinks Hitler was BLOND, for God's sake.  How do you expect him
> to figure out Paula Barieri's pulchritude?  The guy's either blind as a bat
> or just as stupid as hell.

Strange, Rickie.  You make it sound as if only O.J.'s thought processes
(such as they are) should be taken into consideration.  That sounds
suspiciously like male chauvinism to me.  Where's Crazy when you need her?

Les



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Subject: Crazy Jeannie again!
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You know, Crazy, I was hurt when it looked like you weren't putting me in
your sig.file anymore, but now that I see how hard you work to cook up
original statements about me with every message, why, it just makes my
heart melt...

You really DO have a thing for me, don't you?

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 11:42:11 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A funny joke! (was: Got this stupid e-mail today...)
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Nosy (ataylor@nmsu.edu) writes:
>  jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Jeanne Kowalewski) writes:

(snip)

> < I'm crossposting this over to talk.politics.guns. They'll like this one, too.
> 
> 	No, I'm afraid that Griswold's garbage isn't too popular
> 	here.
> 
> 	Neither is the National Front.
> 
> 	Kowaleski might want to make a note of it.

She won't, though.  See, Crazy Jeannie has to EXPOSE my hidden agenda to
everyone on the 'Net, and she won't pay any attention to any requests,
courteous or otherwise, that she put courtesy ahead of her "idealogy"
(heh!), and not post where she's not welcome.  Typical liberal.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 16 11:42:12 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The Spectre of McCarthyism (was: Racist Nazis conspire...)
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"John Q. Public" (capmicro@execpc.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

>>Are
>>you next gonna tell us that the first thing Hitler did when he came to
>>power was snatch all the guns?
> 
> Irrelevant.  I've got mine, and you won't get them without taking
> losses.  Got that, Les?

Irrelevant?  No.  While you're posturing with your chest out about
"Natsees" coming to snatch your guns away, the liberals are the ones who
are going to do it.

Les

P.S.:  It's usually the tough talkers like you who are the first to
surrender.
 




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct 17 07:19:50 PDT 1995
Article: 11338 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: National Alliance info
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Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) writes:
> In article <053319Z14101995@anon.penet.fi>, an331423@anon.penet.fi wrote:

>>... Jews like:
>> 
>> Madeliene Albright, UN Ambassador 
>> Stuart Eisenstat, Asst. Secretary of State
>> Hershel Gober, Asst. Sec. of Veterans Affairs
>> Mort Halperin, Former Asst. Sec. of Defense
>> Mickey Kantor, US Trade Representative
>> Steve Kessler, FDA Director
>> Madeleine Kunin, Asst. Sec. of Education
>> Eugene Ludwig, Director of the Mint
>> Zoe Baird, Asst. National Security Advisor
>> Robert Reich, Secretary of Labor
>> And many more in positions of little publicity and great power
> 
> As opposed to the thousands of people in positions of publicity and great
> power who are NOT Jewish, I guess. You've named 10 people in government,
> some of whom I have serious doubts ARE ACTUALLY JEWISH.

Oh, yes?  Which ones, doubting-Sarah?  Please, share your omniscience with
us.
  
(snip)

>> Normal white people are pretty poor at 
>> producing and distributing pornography, encouraging immigration of 
>> third-worlder and subsequent intermarriage (with whites, thank you, not 
>> jews), and generally selling this country down the river. 
>  
> Really? Here's one hot tip for you: Jews ARE WHITE PEOPLE. Sorry to break
> it to ya, but we are. And most of us look just like you, whether our names
> "sound" Jewish, or not. 

Amazing.  We apparently have so much trouble defining "White", but some
jew can come along and tell us all about it.
  
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct 17 07:19:51 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: National Alliance info
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Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) writes:

(snip)

> GEE... I guess this PROVES that Jews are qualified to hold positions of
> authority in our government, right? 

Sara, you are missing the point, deliberately, I suspect.  The point is,
ONE jew in government is too many.  

(snip)
  
> I mean, I'm just a 38-year single old mother of two. I work a 9-5 job,
> spend extra time working with a disabled kid, cook, clean, hang out on the
> Internet, and STILL seem to have time to intimidate a pathetic coward like
> you? Wow, you're right. We Jooos ARE pretty impressive.

So, do you want a medal, or a chest to pin it on?
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct 17 07:19:52 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: National Alliance info
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"John Q. Public" (capmicro@execpc.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) writes:

(snip)

>>> I mean, I'm just a 38-year single old mother of two. I work a 9-5 job,
>>> spend extra time working with a disabled kid, cook, clean, hang out on the
>>> Internet, and STILL seem to have time to intimidate a pathetic coward like
>>> you? Wow, you're right. We Jooos ARE pretty impressive.
>>
>>So, do you want a medal, or a chest to pin it on?
> 
> I want firearms and ammo, Les.  I've got 'em, too.
> 
> Have a nice day.

And I assume that there was a POINT to this?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct 17 08:11:33 PDT 1995
Article: 6446 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Les Griswold is Jewish!
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 (Rick Jones) writes:
>>  >I didn't know you were Jewish. 

>>  What an insult to the Jews, Rick! Less is neither smart enough, nor
>>  successful enough to be Jewish.  
> 
> But of course, those traits are BAD in Jews in Les' "mind."  What amuses
> me about Griswold and his ilk are that they use the inferior economic performance
> of blacks in America to justify racism, but the relatively impressive level of
> success by Jews - which, using their logic against blacks, should justify
> viewing Jews as superior - garners criticism and accusations of a nonexistent
> conspiracy from the Griswolds of the world.  More of the same vis-a-vis
> Asians, I might add.  

Very interesting!  So, you're saying that jews are no better than negroes?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct 17 08:11:34 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Les in the Kalahari...
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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Imagine Les and a few of his booger eatin', beer drinking buddies packing up 
> with nothing but their clothes on their body and equipped only with their 
> "superior" intellects heading for that new civilization they clim would be no 
> problem to create in the Kalahari desert!!

I never said that it would be "no problem" to create a civilization in the
Kalahari (or any other) desert.  What I DID say is that anything built in
the desert by White men would be GUARANTEED to be better by FAR than any
of those dumpster-nations in Africa.

> It would be funny to see ol' Les 
> running across the Okovango with a trail of Lions on his ass!! Think about it 
> Les, you'd do us all a favor, besides, you would help those poor "savages" 
> over there create another great civilization just like your ancestors did here. 
> Problem is your ancestors were probably freed criminals from Europe brought 
> over on conditions of indentured servitude...

Cripes, now you're starting to sound like those European net-loons
Heerdink and Co.

> You'd find many black women that could treat you right too, unless of course 
> you're impotent or prefer sheep like your buddy Ron...
> Heh he he...!!

What is the qualitative difference between negresses and sheep, Foot-boy? 
I expect that YOU can provide me with the answer.  But if you have to
confer with Rosenboig, I'll understand...

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct 17 08:11:35 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: A challenge for the geneologically inclined
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Bryan Cowan (loquismo@aimnet.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>> > How odd. I was always told that they were Catholics. George Mutschler,
>> > John's son, married a Catholic named Isabella Hayward. Their children,
>> > while not exactly Catholics, were always Christians. My grandparents are
>> > Christians, although admittedly not of the regular churchgoing type.
>> > Grandfather told me that 50% of Germans have brown hair and brown eyes,
>> > like me. Hmmm...
>> 
>> Here we go again, with the "Jews are just like everyone else, 'ceptin'
>> that they go to church on Saturday instead of Sunday!"  When will you
>> retards learn that the essence of jewishness is also RACIAL and GENETIC. 
>> Big Poo-Bah jews have said so themselves.
> 
> As I said in another post, extant photographs of Nellie Mutschler show
> that she has no obvious Semitic features. This is the same for her
> descendants, Vernon Rittscher, his daughter Mary Ann, and myself. I'll
> send a photo of myself to anybody who asks. If I'm a Jew and I don't know
> about it, I'd be interested for somebody to point it out. I sure don't
> look like a Jew.

Well, now, if you're going to talk about LOOKING like a jew, or not,
that's considerably different than what you were going on about above,
about Catholicism.  Jews change their religion like we change our
underwear, but they're still the same jews as before.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 10:40:05 PDT 1995
Article: 11453 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The Spectre of McCarthyism (was: Racist Nazis conspire...)
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
> [An excerpt from a previous article by Milton Kleim deleted]
> 
> # And where, EXACTLY, in all of this, is Milton's endorsement 
> # of censorship?
> 
> Kleim wrote that Jews who will be found guilty with various "crimes 
> against the Aryan Race" will be executed.

Tell me, Danny, in WHICH thesauraus did you find that "trying jews" is
synonymous with "censorship".

> I am quite sure every sane
> person will realize that this is an attempt to intimidate Jews, and
> possibly others, from committing such "crimes".

Well, if the people being tried are not guilty, what have they got to
worry about?

> Now, what are these
> "crimes" baby-nazi is talking about? Is expressing one's opinion one
> of them?

I dunno.  Why don't you ask him?

> Yes or no? Kleim refuses to elaborate on what these crimes
> are, who *exactly* will be executed, and by what means. Isn't
> Griswold curious as to what Kleim has in mind? 

Not particularly.
 
> # Another example of the screechy, mindless rantings of 
> # pro-censorship jews
> 
> I am not "pro-censorship". Have I ever called for silencing the
> Nazi maniacs who post here?

Not directly in those words.  But you HAVE made it clear that you'd like
to do to us what Hitler SUPPOSEDLY did to six million of your countrymen
during WWII (well, now the story is, the Shoah started in 1933).

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 10:40:06 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: The Spectre of McCarthyism (was: Racist Nazis conspire...)
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William R. Discipio Jr (discipio@crl.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> : > bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> : > 
> : > [An excerpt from a previous article by Milton Kleim deleted]
> : > 
> : > # And where, EXACTLY, in all of this, is Milton's endorsement 
> : > # of censorship?
> : > 
> : > Kleim wrote that Jews who will be found guilty with various "crimes 
> : > against the Aryan Race" will be executed.
> 
> : Tell me, Danny, in WHICH thesauraus did you find that "trying jews" is
> : synonymous with "censorship".
> 
> Tell me "Les" in WHICH thesauraus did you find that "executing jews" is 
> synonymous with "trying Jews"?
 
Nowhere.  The only people who have made that miserable failure of a smear
have been the hysterical Danny Keren, and YOU.
> 
> : > I am quite sure every sane
> : > person will realize that this is an attempt to intimidate Jews, and
> : > possibly others, from committing such "crimes".
> 
> : Well, if the people being tried are not guilty, what have they got to
> : worry about?
> 
> What are they being "tried" for, being Jewish? Mixed-race?
 
Crimes against the Aryan race.  Weren't you paying attention?
  
> : > Now, what are these
> : > "crimes" baby-nazi is talking about? Is expressing one's opinion one
> : > of them?
> 
> : I dunno.  Why don't you ask him?
> 
> She just did, klan-man.
 
Is Keren now undergoing a sex change, too?
  
> : > Yes or no? Kleim refuses to elaborate on what these crimes
> : > are, who *exactly* will be executed, and by what means. Isn't
> : > Griswold curious as to what Kleim has in mind? 
> 
> : Not particularly.
> 
> Curiosity is unique to sentient beings; not knuckle-dragging troglodytes.
 
Nosiness isn't curiousity, tool.
   
Les




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Little Miss Moffitt (donald05@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
> On Oct 17, 1995 21:51:54 in article  Racist Nazis conspire...)>, 'bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)'
> wrote: 

> Heheheheh!  One can imagine Grosswald, charged with crimes against the
> white race, declining to ask what those crimes are because that would be
> "nosiness."  Oh yes, Grosswald is a man of taste and discretion, isn't he? 

I would never be charged with crimes against the White race, for the
simple fact that I am not a race traitor.  More likely, I would be hauled
up for some sort of bullshit, made-up "hate" crime.

Les



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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
> # Tell me, Danny, in WHICH thesauraus did you find that "trying 
> # jews" is synonymous with "censorship".
> 
> Stating that Jews guilty of "crimes against the Aryan Race"
> will be executed is, IMHO, an obvious attempt to intimidate
> and silence the opposition. 

And this is different from the jailing of hollow-cause deniers in WHAT
way, exactly?  I know:  the jailing of hollow-cause deniers ACTUALLY
HAPPENS, whereas the punishment of jews for crimes against the Aryan race
doesn't yet.

> # Well, if the people being tried are not guilty, what have 
> # they got to worry about?
> 
> It's all a question of what Kleim means by "guilty", now
> isn't it? 
>  
> ## Now, what are these
> ## "crimes" baby-nazi is talking about? Is expressing one's 
> ## opinion one of them?
>  
> # I dunno.  Why don't you ask him?
> 
> John Morris asked him this, many times. Kleim didn't answer.

So, now Milton is to be at your beck and call, providing whatever
information your over-heated little brain claims it needs?

(snip)

> # (well, now the story is, the Shoah started in 1933).
>  
> Ideologically, yes; no one claimed the mass murders started
> in 1933. Most genocides are preceded by an ideological
> preparation - in this case, an intense propaganda campaign
> against Jews and other, dehumanizing and demonizing them. This
> can be seen as part of the Holocaust, yes.

Cripes, why not reach back into the 19th century, then, when Pan-Germanism
was extant?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 10:40:08 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The Spectre of McCarthyism (was: Racist Nazis conspire...)
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Moffitt the Frog (donald05@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:

(snip)

> As opposed to some sort of bullshit made-up crime as a "crime against the
> white race," which nowhere in existing jurisprudence can be found, and
> which exists only in the minds of white trash. :>) 

Laws are changing all the time, Muffy.  Just ask the pro-RKBA people about
that.  Ask Canadians about various laws (recently passed) against
"hate-crimes", which could be found nowhere in existing jurisprudence
until some bureaucratic flunkie cooked 'em up.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:10:50 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The Spectre of McCarthyism (was: Racist Nazis conspire...)
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
> [An excerpt from a previous article by Milton Kleim deleted]
> 
> # And where, EXACTLY, in all of this, is Milton's endorsement 
> # of censorship?
> 
> Kleim wrote that Jews who will be found guilty with various "crimes 
> against the Aryan Race" will be executed.

Tell me, Danny, in WHICH thesauraus did you find that "trying jews" is
synonymous with "censorship".

> I am quite sure every sane
> person will realize that this is an attempt to intimidate Jews, and
> possibly others, from committing such "crimes".

Well, if the people being tried are not guilty, what have they got to
worry about?

> Now, what are these
> "crimes" baby-nazi is talking about? Is expressing one's opinion one
> of them?

I dunno.  Why don't you ask him?

> Yes or no? Kleim refuses to elaborate on what these crimes
> are, who *exactly* will be executed, and by what means. Isn't
> Griswold curious as to what Kleim has in mind? 

Not particularly.
 
> # Another example of the screechy, mindless rantings of 
> # pro-censorship jews
> 
> I am not "pro-censorship". Have I ever called for silencing the
> Nazi maniacs who post here?

Not directly in those words.  But you HAVE made it clear that you'd like
to do to us what Hitler SUPPOSEDLY did to six million of your countrymen
during WWII (well, now the story is, the Shoah started in 1933).

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:10:52 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Crazy the spam queen! (was: Crazy on anything!)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>  You don't know ANYTHING about White
> * Supremacist doctrine, but that ignorance doesn't stop, or even slow you
> * down, in your stereotyping.
> 
> You don't have a clue about what I do know, Les.

I can make pretty good guesses, based on the amount of crap you post here.
 Do you realize that the message I'm replying to was ONE-HUNDRED AND
NINETY-THREE lines of pure unadulterated Crazy Crap(tm), before I trimmed
it?  This tells me that you have an AWFUL LOT of time on your hands.

You also seem to care a great deal about what we think of you, since you
keep telling us EVERYTHING about yourself.

(snip)

> * > You don't know me, Les. People who do know me think that my "rotten ideas"
> * > are pragmatic and honest.
> * 
> * Then the people who know you are just as loopy as you are.
> 
> Mind if I show this around the university, Les? My "loopy" multicultural
> friends haven't laughed at your boneheaded comments lately. 

Be my guest.  Tell me, do you use me to illustrate that us'n "Natsees" are
harmless cranks, or very, very dangerous people?

(snip)

> * Really?  Just who is this semi-legendary "everyone" that you refer to? 
> 
> Presumably, the people who are literate and reading the messages in these
> newsgroups. We have a potential audience of millions, you know. 

Knowing that, why do you insist on making such a jackass out of yourself?
 
> * > Well, besides idle speculation about the emptiness of your personal life,
> * > I don't recall talking about 'luv' around here, especially the meaningless
> * > kind. When I talk about politics and the human condition, I use terms like
> * > justice, freedom, dignity, ethics, responsibility, commitment, and
> * > stewardship. I believe that humans have a duty to care for each other and
> * > to tread gently upon the earth.  
> * 
> * So you haven't used the word "love", exactly.  It just proves my point,
> * though, seeing you rant on with words like "justice, freedom, dignity,
> * ethics (ha!), responsibility (double ha!), commitment, and stewardship". 
> * It shows how you twist the meanings of those particular words to give some
> * sort of currency and relevance to your whacko ideas.
> 
> Ooh! You backed down, didn't you?

Where?

> BTW, mentioning a set of terms that I
> use is not a rant. You also have no idea of the context in how and where I
> apply these words in my life.

Yet again, Crazy:  we don't CARE about your life, so please spare us all
the gruesome details.  B'sides, we ALSO don't care about your "context" in
the real world:  we're talking on the 'Net.

> I have a real life in the real world where my words are acknowledged and
> respected.

Then you should stay there.  On the 'Net, you're just a two-bit liberal
asshole, who won't be missed by anyone should you suddenly croak.

> * You "slipped through the cracks" because you're too (stupid,
> * ignorant) to recognize truth and reality when it's presented to you. 
> 
> When you start telling the truth about anything, I'm sure that CNN will
> break into their regular programming to inform the world of the momentous
> occasion. If you want to keep saying that I'm stupid and ignorant, then
> I'll have you remind you about my education background.

Oh, gawd, here we go again.  All that would be proved by that, Crazy, is
that ANYONE can get a piece of paper from a university these days.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:10:53 PDT 1995
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William R. Discipio Jr (discipio@crl.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> : > bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> : > 
> : > [An excerpt from a previous article by Milton Kleim deleted]
> : > 
> : > # And where, EXACTLY, in all of this, is Milton's endorsement 
> : > # of censorship?
> : > 
> : > Kleim wrote that Jews who will be found guilty with various "crimes 
> : > against the Aryan Race" will be executed.
> 
> : Tell me, Danny, in WHICH thesauraus did you find that "trying jews" is
> : synonymous with "censorship".
> 
> Tell me "Les" in WHICH thesauraus did you find that "executing jews" is 
> synonymous with "trying Jews"?
 
Nowhere.  The only people who have made that miserable failure of a smear
have been the hysterical Danny Keren, and YOU.
> 
> : > I am quite sure every sane
> : > person will realize that this is an attempt to intimidate Jews, and
> : > possibly others, from committing such "crimes".
> 
> : Well, if the people being tried are not guilty, what have they got to
> : worry about?
> 
> What are they being "tried" for, being Jewish? Mixed-race?
 
Crimes against the Aryan race.  Weren't you paying attention?
  
> : > Now, what are these
> : > "crimes" baby-nazi is talking about? Is expressing one's opinion one
> : > of them?
> 
> : I dunno.  Why don't you ask him?
> 
> She just did, klan-man.
 
Is Keren now undergoing a sex change, too?
  
> : > Yes or no? Kleim refuses to elaborate on what these crimes
> : > are, who *exactly* will be executed, and by what means. Isn't
> : > Griswold curious as to what Kleim has in mind? 
> 
> : Not particularly.
> 
> Curiosity is unique to sentient beings; not knuckle-dragging troglodytes.
 
Nosiness isn't curiousity, tool.
   
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:10:53 PDT 1995
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Nicole... so what? 
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swan (swan@slip.net) writes:
> Some interesting thoughts oh men, women and the so-called "Aryans". 
> 
> I notice that many White Affirmative males tend to dislike strong women 
> or women with strong feminist ideals. Why is that?
> 
> Note that I qualify my statements with 'many' 'tend to' and other words. 
> By no means do all feel this way, but a prevalent attitude seems to be 
> 'siddown and shaddup!' toward feminists.
> 
> Comment here... A baby is the product of two people. 50% of its racial 
> heritage comes from the father and 50% from its mother. Not only that, 
> but the environment the child is raised in is the same. Can a good 
> strong, vigorous, aggressive person be raised if HALF his/her parentage 
> is meek and compliant? If it is harmful to a child to be raised by a 
> dominant, aggressive and strong willed mother and a weak, gentle, timid 
> father, can the reverse also be said to be true? I was raised by a strong 
> mother who taught me to stand on my own two feet and take pain and 
> adversity with courage and fire! 
> 
> My mother awoke on the operating table with her abdomen wide open and the 
> surgeon elbow deep in her innards. she later described the sheer agony of 
> the pain as literally blinding, but she didn't scream or even flinch. 
> Instead, she informed the horrified surgical crew "Doctor, I'm awake!".
> When I asked her later "Why didn't you scream?" She answered "Because I 
> KNEW if I did that, he'd jump... and I didn't want that to happen!"
> 
> My mother is a woman who, if my father had laid down the law to her, 
> would have laid a law or two upside his head! They were not a Strong man 
> with dutiful wife following, they were a TEAM! She pulled the harness on 
> her side as he pulled on his, two draft horses in unison.
> 
> She gave me that legacy. If that makes me a feminist (I believe that 
> women are different from men but still equals!) then so be it. To me, 
> that is more "racially" productive than anything else. If I were to have 
> a boy child and a girl child, I would raise them BOTH to be opinionated, 
> strong and free.
> 
> Anything less is a disservice to our kindred!
> 
> Comments?

Yes.  You're a fruit-loop.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:10:54 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Chaka-Khan Abdullah (cabdulbh@expert.cc.purdue.edu) writes:
 
(snip)

> this is in regard to the realist's comment:
>  
> first of all, to imply that African-American's have not contributed 
> anything of significance to this United Snakes of America is ignorance at 
> it's finest.  We invented that streetlight you use everyday to make sure 
> your butt doesn't have too many accidents on your way home, we invented 
> refrigerated cars(on trains)so that you could lower your salt intake when 
> eating your steaks, we invented all those marvelous ways to use 
> peanuts--ask Tide how we've helped their business,
 
You seem to be overlooking one important fact:  even assuming that your
negrophile rantings are true, which they aren't, how many things would
negroes have invented if they had been left in Africa?  NONE.  
 
Besides, according to aria, inventions don't mean much.  So why are you
going on about them?
 
> the toilet system was invented in Africa, that phone you like to talk on so
> much was via the African-American, and the electricity you need to use this
> computer would not exist if not for the descendants of Africa.  So don't tell
> me that we have not contributed to this country, because even if you'd like
> to disregard all of that information, you cannot disregard the fact that 
> this country would not exist today without the blood and sweat of the 
> AFRICAN slave.
 
Yes, folks:  America and the White Westen world is in the shape it is
because of the contributions of African negroes.  Any questions?
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:10:55 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Crazy the spam queen! (was: Crazy on anything!)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

> * I can make pretty good guesses, based on the amount of crap you post here.
> *  Do you realize that the message I'm replying to was ONE-HUNDRED AND
> * NINETY-THREE lines of pure unadulterated Crazy Crap(tm), before I trimmed
> * it?  This tells me that you have an AWFUL LOT of time on your hands.
> 
> Les, you are speculating about how much free time I have, not about what I
> know.

Free time:  you have too much.
What you know:  next to nothing.

(snip)

> * > * Really?  Just who is this semi-legendary "everyone" that you refer to? 
> * > 
> * > Presumably, the people who are literate and reading the messages in these
> * > newsgroups. We have a potential audience of millions, you know. 
> * 
> * Knowing that, why do you insist on making such a jackass out of yourself?
> 
> Les, Les, Les . . . do you wonder how many people now picture you with a
> sagging loincloth everytime they see your name? 

Really, Crazy, you think quite highly of yourself, doncha?  Well, lurkers
here can either read your enormous flap-doodle, or they can read my
replies to your rambling rants, where I've parsed out the extraneous crap.

(snip)

> * > I have a real life in the real world where my words are acknowledged and
> * > respected.
> * 
> * Then you should stay there.  On the 'Net, you're just a two-bit liberal
> * asshole, who won't be missed by anyone should you suddenly croak.
> 
> Well, there are certainly enough people here to fill my shoes, but I think
> that I would be missed.

And your shit doesn't stink, does it?

> BTW, you didn't mean that as a threat, did you?

Why, you feel threatened by me?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:10:56 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: The Spectre of McCarthyism (was: Racist Nazis conspire...)
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Little Miss Moffitt (donald05@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
> On Oct 17, 1995 21:51:54 in article  Racist Nazis conspire...)>, 'bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)'
> wrote: 

> Heheheheh!  One can imagine Grosswald, charged with crimes against the
> white race, declining to ask what those crimes are because that would be
> "nosiness."  Oh yes, Grosswald is a man of taste and discretion, isn't he? 

I would never be charged with crimes against the White race, for the
simple fact that I am not a race traitor.  More likely, I would be hauled
up for some sort of bullshit, made-up "hate" crime.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:10:57 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Million man march?  Ha!
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Peter Allan Bucy (petex@ix.netcom.com) writes:
>>Smallpox Man, Africans, via the lost wax process were creating fine
>>metal art in copper, iron and gold across Africa, they developed
>>complicated philosophical cosmologies (Coversations with Olgatameli),
>>cities, in Benin, Timbucktu (prominent learning center), Kumasi and
>>Jenne (all west Africa). Africans were sea fearers on the east, north
>>and west coasts. They created great monoliths across the continent
>>and were giving civilization to Europeans in Spain for seven centuries,
>>much of this knowledge was dessiminated to your ancestors in the 
>>northern reaches of the continent. The Muslim traditions of bathing
>>and cleanliness influenced your lice-eating and filthy ancestors
>>who slept with tick-infested pigs and sheep for warmth to clean 
>>themselves and practice better hygine.
> 
>  How does any of this explain the abject desolation that is now the
> continent of Africa? What happened to these great Africans that their
> descendants live like animals in squalor. How is it that when the rest
> of the world evolved that Africa returned to the stone age? Is there
> any place on this earth where white men are running around in animal
> skins, living in mud huts, and smearing animal excrement in their hair
> and on their bodies?

This is something that negrophiles always overlook:  when Whites talk
about the accomplishments of their ancestors, it's not relevant to the
modern day.  When NEGROES talk about the past, that's the final word.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:10:58 PDT 1995
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Mr. Equality (armalite@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

>>3. To a Hell's Angel, all brothers look alike; and they all look like
>>Mike Tyson.  Can't take a chance on THAT shit.

> I disagree, to the Hells Angels, brothers look like the little wimps
> that they are unless of course there are 20 other brothers to back the
> one up.

A freind of mine once told me that he saw the way indians fought (he lived
in Cornwall, Ontario, where there was an indian reservation).  He said
that you never fought ONE indian; you always fought ALL the indians that
were nearby, so if there were ten indians and one of them started
something, you had to fight ten of them.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:10:59 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The Spectre of McCarthyism (was: Racist Nazis conspire...)
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
> # Tell me, Danny, in WHICH thesauraus did you find that "trying 
> # jews" is synonymous with "censorship".
> 
> Stating that Jews guilty of "crimes against the Aryan Race"
> will be executed is, IMHO, an obvious attempt to intimidate
> and silence the opposition. 

And this is different from the jailing of hollow-cause deniers in WHAT
way, exactly?  I know:  the jailing of hollow-cause deniers ACTUALLY
HAPPENS, whereas the punishment of jews for crimes against the Aryan race
doesn't yet.

> # Well, if the people being tried are not guilty, what have 
> # they got to worry about?
> 
> It's all a question of what Kleim means by "guilty", now
> isn't it? 
>  
> ## Now, what are these
> ## "crimes" baby-nazi is talking about? Is expressing one's 
> ## opinion one of them?
>  
> # I dunno.  Why don't you ask him?
> 
> John Morris asked him this, many times. Kleim didn't answer.

So, now Milton is to be at your beck and call, providing whatever
information your over-heated little brain claims it needs?

(snip)

> # (well, now the story is, the Shoah started in 1933).
>  
> Ideologically, yes; no one claimed the mass murders started
> in 1933. Most genocides are preceded by an ideological
> preparation - in this case, an intense propaganda campaign
> against Jews and other, dehumanizing and demonizing them. This
> can be seen as part of the Holocaust, yes.

Cripes, why not reach back into the 19th century, then, when Pan-Germanism
was extant?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:11:00 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: The Spectre of McCarthyism (was: Racist Nazis conspire...)
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Moffitt the Frog (donald05@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:

(snip)

> As opposed to some sort of bullshit made-up crime as a "crime against the
> white race," which nowhere in existing jurisprudence can be found, and
> which exists only in the minds of white trash. :>) 

Laws are changing all the time, Muffy.  Just ask the pro-RKBA people about
that.  Ask Canadians about various laws (recently passed) against
"hate-crimes", which could be found nowhere in existing jurisprudence
until some bureaucratic flunkie cooked 'em up.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:12:10 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jewish looks (was: A challenge for the geneologically inclined)
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Bryan Cowan (loquismo@aimnet.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>> > How odd. I was always told that they were Catholics. George Mutschler,
>> > John's son, married a Catholic named Isabella Hayward. Their children,
>> > while not exactly Catholics, were always Christians. My grandparents are
>> > Christians, although admittedly not of the regular churchgoing type.
>> > Grandfather told me that 50% of Germans have brown hair and brown eyes,
>> > like me. Hmmm...
>> 
>> Here we go again, with the "Jews are just like everyone else, 'ceptin'
>> that they go to church on Saturday instead of Sunday!"  When will you
>> retards learn that the essence of jewishness is also RACIAL and GENETIC. 
>> Big Poo-Bah jews have said so themselves.
> 
> As I said in another post, extant photographs of Nellie Mutschler show
> that she has no obvious Semitic features. This is the same for her
> descendants, Vernon Rittscher, his daughter Mary Ann, and myself. I'll
> send a photo of myself to anybody who asks. If I'm a Jew and I don't know
> about it, I'd be interested for somebody to point it out. I sure don't
> look like a Jew.

Incredible.  So now you're telling us that there are "jewish looks"?  What
ARE these "jewish looks"?

I'm just dying to see how you back out of this one.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:12:11 PDT 1995
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
> [An excerpt from a previous article by Milton Kleim deleted]
> 
> # And where, EXACTLY, in all of this, is Milton's endorsement 
> # of censorship?
> 
> Kleim wrote that Jews who will be found guilty with various "crimes 
> against the Aryan Race" will be executed.

Tell me, Danny, in WHICH thesauraus did you find that "trying jews" is
synonymous with "censorship".

> I am quite sure every sane
> person will realize that this is an attempt to intimidate Jews, and
> possibly others, from committing such "crimes".

Well, if the people being tried are not guilty, what have they got to
worry about?

> Now, what are these
> "crimes" baby-nazi is talking about? Is expressing one's opinion one
> of them?

I dunno.  Why don't you ask him?

> Yes or no? Kleim refuses to elaborate on what these crimes
> are, who *exactly* will be executed, and by what means. Isn't
> Griswold curious as to what Kleim has in mind? 

Not particularly.
 
> # Another example of the screechy, mindless rantings of 
> # pro-censorship jews
> 
> I am not "pro-censorship". Have I ever called for silencing the
> Nazi maniacs who post here?

Not directly in those words.  But you HAVE made it clear that you'd like
to do to us what Hitler SUPPOSEDLY did to six million of your countrymen
during WWII (well, now the story is, the Shoah started in 1933).

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:12:12 PDT 1995
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>  You don't know ANYTHING about White
> * Supremacist doctrine, but that ignorance doesn't stop, or even slow you
> * down, in your stereotyping.
> 
> You don't have a clue about what I do know, Les.

I can make pretty good guesses, based on the amount of crap you post here.
 Do you realize that the message I'm replying to was ONE-HUNDRED AND
NINETY-THREE lines of pure unadulterated Crazy Crap(tm), before I trimmed
it?  This tells me that you have an AWFUL LOT of time on your hands.

You also seem to care a great deal about what we think of you, since you
keep telling us EVERYTHING about yourself.

(snip)

> * > You don't know me, Les. People who do know me think that my "rotten ideas"
> * > are pragmatic and honest.
> * 
> * Then the people who know you are just as loopy as you are.
> 
> Mind if I show this around the university, Les? My "loopy" multicultural
> friends haven't laughed at your boneheaded comments lately. 

Be my guest.  Tell me, do you use me to illustrate that us'n "Natsees" are
harmless cranks, or very, very dangerous people?

(snip)

> * Really?  Just who is this semi-legendary "everyone" that you refer to? 
> 
> Presumably, the people who are literate and reading the messages in these
> newsgroups. We have a potential audience of millions, you know. 

Knowing that, why do you insist on making such a jackass out of yourself?
 
> * > Well, besides idle speculation about the emptiness of your personal life,
> * > I don't recall talking about 'luv' around here, especially the meaningless
> * > kind. When I talk about politics and the human condition, I use terms like
> * > justice, freedom, dignity, ethics, responsibility, commitment, and
> * > stewardship. I believe that humans have a duty to care for each other and
> * > to tread gently upon the earth.  
> * 
> * So you haven't used the word "love", exactly.  It just proves my point,
> * though, seeing you rant on with words like "justice, freedom, dignity,
> * ethics (ha!), responsibility (double ha!), commitment, and stewardship". 
> * It shows how you twist the meanings of those particular words to give some
> * sort of currency and relevance to your whacko ideas.
> 
> Ooh! You backed down, didn't you?

Where?

> BTW, mentioning a set of terms that I
> use is not a rant. You also have no idea of the context in how and where I
> apply these words in my life.

Yet again, Crazy:  we don't CARE about your life, so please spare us all
the gruesome details.  B'sides, we ALSO don't care about your "context" in
the real world:  we're talking on the 'Net.

> I have a real life in the real world where my words are acknowledged and
> respected.

Then you should stay there.  On the 'Net, you're just a two-bit liberal
asshole, who won't be missed by anyone should you suddenly croak.

> * You "slipped through the cracks" because you're too (stupid,
> * ignorant) to recognize truth and reality when it's presented to you. 
> 
> When you start telling the truth about anything, I'm sure that CNN will
> break into their regular programming to inform the world of the momentous
> occasion. If you want to keep saying that I'm stupid and ignorant, then
> I'll have you remind you about my education background.

Oh, gawd, here we go again.  All that would be proved by that, Crazy, is
that ANYONE can get a piece of paper from a university these days.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:12:13 PDT 1995
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William R. Discipio Jr (discipio@crl.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> : > bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> : > 
> : > [An excerpt from a previous article by Milton Kleim deleted]
> : > 
> : > # And where, EXACTLY, in all of this, is Milton's endorsement 
> : > # of censorship?
> : > 
> : > Kleim wrote that Jews who will be found guilty with various "crimes 
> : > against the Aryan Race" will be executed.
> 
> : Tell me, Danny, in WHICH thesauraus did you find that "trying jews" is
> : synonymous with "censorship".
> 
> Tell me "Les" in WHICH thesauraus did you find that "executing jews" is 
> synonymous with "trying Jews"?
 
Nowhere.  The only people who have made that miserable failure of a smear
have been the hysterical Danny Keren, and YOU.
> 
> : > I am quite sure every sane
> : > person will realize that this is an attempt to intimidate Jews, and
> : > possibly others, from committing such "crimes".
> 
> : Well, if the people being tried are not guilty, what have they got to
> : worry about?
> 
> What are they being "tried" for, being Jewish? Mixed-race?
 
Crimes against the Aryan race.  Weren't you paying attention?
  
> : > Now, what are these
> : > "crimes" baby-nazi is talking about? Is expressing one's opinion one
> : > of them?
> 
> : I dunno.  Why don't you ask him?
> 
> She just did, klan-man.
 
Is Keren now undergoing a sex change, too?
  
> : > Yes or no? Kleim refuses to elaborate on what these crimes
> : > are, who *exactly* will be executed, and by what means. Isn't
> : > Griswold curious as to what Kleim has in mind? 
> 
> : Not particularly.
> 
> Curiosity is unique to sentient beings; not knuckle-dragging troglodytes.
 
Nosiness isn't curiousity, tool.
   
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:12:14 PDT 1995
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Nicole... so what? 
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swan (swan@slip.net) writes:
> Some interesting thoughts oh men, women and the so-called "Aryans". 
> 
> I notice that many White Affirmative males tend to dislike strong women 
> or women with strong feminist ideals. Why is that?
> 
> Note that I qualify my statements with 'many' 'tend to' and other words. 
> By no means do all feel this way, but a prevalent attitude seems to be 
> 'siddown and shaddup!' toward feminists.
> 
> Comment here... A baby is the product of two people. 50% of its racial 
> heritage comes from the father and 50% from its mother. Not only that, 
> but the environment the child is raised in is the same. Can a good 
> strong, vigorous, aggressive person be raised if HALF his/her parentage 
> is meek and compliant? If it is harmful to a child to be raised by a 
> dominant, aggressive and strong willed mother and a weak, gentle, timid 
> father, can the reverse also be said to be true? I was raised by a strong 
> mother who taught me to stand on my own two feet and take pain and 
> adversity with courage and fire! 
> 
> My mother awoke on the operating table with her abdomen wide open and the 
> surgeon elbow deep in her innards. she later described the sheer agony of 
> the pain as literally blinding, but she didn't scream or even flinch. 
> Instead, she informed the horrified surgical crew "Doctor, I'm awake!".
> When I asked her later "Why didn't you scream?" She answered "Because I 
> KNEW if I did that, he'd jump... and I didn't want that to happen!"
> 
> My mother is a woman who, if my father had laid down the law to her, 
> would have laid a law or two upside his head! They were not a Strong man 
> with dutiful wife following, they were a TEAM! She pulled the harness on 
> her side as he pulled on his, two draft horses in unison.
> 
> She gave me that legacy. If that makes me a feminist (I believe that 
> women are different from men but still equals!) then so be it. To me, 
> that is more "racially" productive than anything else. If I were to have 
> a boy child and a girl child, I would raise them BOTH to be opinionated, 
> strong and free.
> 
> Anything less is a disservice to our kindred!
> 
> Comments?

Yes.  You're a fruit-loop.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:12:15 PDT 1995
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Chaka-Khan Abdullah (cabdulbh@expert.cc.purdue.edu) writes:
 
(snip)

> this is in regard to the realist's comment:
>  
> first of all, to imply that African-American's have not contributed 
> anything of significance to this United Snakes of America is ignorance at 
> it's finest.  We invented that streetlight you use everyday to make sure 
> your butt doesn't have too many accidents on your way home, we invented 
> refrigerated cars(on trains)so that you could lower your salt intake when 
> eating your steaks, we invented all those marvelous ways to use 
> peanuts--ask Tide how we've helped their business,
 
You seem to be overlooking one important fact:  even assuming that your
negrophile rantings are true, which they aren't, how many things would
negroes have invented if they had been left in Africa?  NONE.  
 
Besides, according to aria, inventions don't mean much.  So why are you
going on about them?
 
> the toilet system was invented in Africa, that phone you like to talk on so
> much was via the African-American, and the electricity you need to use this
> computer would not exist if not for the descendants of Africa.  So don't tell
> me that we have not contributed to this country, because even if you'd like
> to disregard all of that information, you cannot disregard the fact that 
> this country would not exist today without the blood and sweat of the 
> AFRICAN slave.
 
Yes, folks:  America and the White Westen world is in the shape it is
because of the contributions of African negroes.  Any questions?
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:12:15 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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B. A. Mylite (bamlink@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
> In alt.politics.white-power bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) said: 

>>Here we go again, with the "Jews are just like everyone else, 'ceptin'
>>that they go to church on Saturday instead of Sunday!"  When will you retards
>>learn that the essence of jewishness is also RACIAL and GENETIC. Big Poo-Bah
>>jews have said so themselves. 

> Gee, I've heard of Sephardic Jews and Ashkenazi Jews, but what is a Big
> Poo-Bah Jew?  

Rabbi Stephen K. Wise, for one.  More interesting is Bryan Cowan's
suggestion that there are "jewish looks", whereby one can determine the
degree of one's jewishness.  Aren't you intrigued by how he defines
"jewish looks"?

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:12:16 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Les in the Kalahari...
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Sherwin (syc225@nwu.edu) writes:

>> Yes, the White man can take credit for elevating those Stone Age savages
>> out of their perpetual backwardness, and introducing them to civilization.
>>  Get it straight, Foot-boy:  whatever is good in African nations (and
>> that's a rarity, but still...) was introduced by the White man.  Left to
>> their own, negroes would still be tribal nomads.

> Interesting.  The African nations elevated the once, barbaric European
> civilization ages ago.

Like hell they did.  You been listening to too many of Fairy-Khan's
bedtime stories.

> They can very well do it again one of these days. 

ROTFL!!!

> In fact, isn't it written in the Bible somewhere that Africans will reign
> supreme someday?

Don't tell me Salman Rushdie's now writing _The Satanic Psalms_.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:12:17 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

> * I can make pretty good guesses, based on the amount of crap you post here.
> *  Do you realize that the message I'm replying to was ONE-HUNDRED AND
> * NINETY-THREE lines of pure unadulterated Crazy Crap(tm), before I trimmed
> * it?  This tells me that you have an AWFUL LOT of time on your hands.
> 
> Les, you are speculating about how much free time I have, not about what I
> know.

Free time:  you have too much.
What you know:  next to nothing.

(snip)

> * > * Really?  Just who is this semi-legendary "everyone" that you refer to? 
> * > 
> * > Presumably, the people who are literate and reading the messages in these
> * > newsgroups. We have a potential audience of millions, you know. 
> * 
> * Knowing that, why do you insist on making such a jackass out of yourself?
> 
> Les, Les, Les . . . do you wonder how many people now picture you with a
> sagging loincloth everytime they see your name? 

Really, Crazy, you think quite highly of yourself, doncha?  Well, lurkers
here can either read your enormous flap-doodle, or they can read my
replies to your rambling rants, where I've parsed out the extraneous crap.

(snip)

> * > I have a real life in the real world where my words are acknowledged and
> * > respected.
> * 
> * Then you should stay there.  On the 'Net, you're just a two-bit liberal
> * asshole, who won't be missed by anyone should you suddenly croak.
> 
> Well, there are certainly enough people here to fill my shoes, but I think
> that I would be missed.

And your shit doesn't stink, does it?

> BTW, you didn't mean that as a threat, did you?

Why, you feel threatened by me?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:12:18 PDT 1995
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Little Miss Moffitt (donald05@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
> On Oct 17, 1995 21:51:54 in article  Racist Nazis conspire...)>, 'bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)'
> wrote: 

> Heheheheh!  One can imagine Grosswald, charged with crimes against the
> white race, declining to ask what those crimes are because that would be
> "nosiness."  Oh yes, Grosswald is a man of taste and discretion, isn't he? 

I would never be charged with crimes against the White race, for the
simple fact that I am not a race traitor.  More likely, I would be hauled
up for some sort of bullshit, made-up "hate" crime.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:12:19 PDT 1995
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Peter Allan Bucy (petex@ix.netcom.com) writes:
>>Smallpox Man, Africans, via the lost wax process were creating fine
>>metal art in copper, iron and gold across Africa, they developed
>>complicated philosophical cosmologies (Coversations with Olgatameli),
>>cities, in Benin, Timbucktu (prominent learning center), Kumasi and
>>Jenne (all west Africa). Africans were sea fearers on the east, north
>>and west coasts. They created great monoliths across the continent
>>and were giving civilization to Europeans in Spain for seven centuries,
>>much of this knowledge was dessiminated to your ancestors in the 
>>northern reaches of the continent. The Muslim traditions of bathing
>>and cleanliness influenced your lice-eating and filthy ancestors
>>who slept with tick-infested pigs and sheep for warmth to clean 
>>themselves and practice better hygine.
> 
>  How does any of this explain the abject desolation that is now the
> continent of Africa? What happened to these great Africans that their
> descendants live like animals in squalor. How is it that when the rest
> of the world evolved that Africa returned to the stone age? Is there
> any place on this earth where white men are running around in animal
> skins, living in mud huts, and smearing animal excrement in their hair
> and on their bodies?

This is something that negrophiles always overlook:  when Whites talk
about the accomplishments of their ancestors, it's not relevant to the
modern day.  When NEGROES talk about the past, that's the final word.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:12:20 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberal motivations...
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 (Rick Jones) writes:

(snip)

> The kicker, of course, is that NO conservative who understands true
> conservatism is a racist.  

No, I don't bother myself over-much about con-artist-servatives, for the
simple fact that you guys do an admirable job, all by yourselves, of
shooting down your ideas.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article <463ver$c0c@spectator.cris.com>, Reverend Ron
>  wrote:
> 
> * jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Jeanne Kowalewski) wrote:
> * 
> * >That's "nekkid", Doogie.
> * 
> * >* young Aryan boys reasons not to look at necked anthropoids. 
> * >                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> * >That's "nekkid wimmen", pinhead.
> * >
> * >* Rev. Ron
> * 
> * Crazy, all you can ever do is correct spelling...you know nothing else
> * do you?  besides, there is no correct spelling to a slang word like
> * nekked or neckid or nekkid, or any other way it could be spelled.  
> 
> Just a little tutoring in Redneck 101.

And remember, Crazy is EMINENTLY qualified to teach this!  Why, she had a
redneck husband almost twenty years ago!

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:12:21 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: McKinstry's Silence
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ibokor (ibokor@metz.une.edu.au) writes:
> or "Discretion is the Better Part of Valour"
> 
> For some reason unknown to me, each of my recent postings
> which have contained the results of checking Mckinstry's
> claims against his own references, have expired (at least at
> this site) after two days. It may be a mere coincidence,
> but these postings have *all* contained information which
> would embarrass any rational, sentient member of the
> biological species Homo sapiens sapiens.
> 
> Other postings of mine seem to have fared better.
> 
> To overcome this unexplained diffculty, I have taken to reposting
> the articles as soon as I have noticed their expiry without
> response from McKinstry. 
> 
> As these postings explicitly asked McKinstry to respond, I
> also sent an e-mail copy of one in particular --- the one
> reporting G. Knuckey's assertion that Rex Gilroy (whom McKinstry
> attributed with a PhD in archaeology "probably from thee University
> of Australia") has *NO* (formal) qualifications in archaeology ---
> and added a clear statement, namnely that if I did not receive a
> response within four days, I would take that to be an admission of
> fraud. Well, two weeks have passed since I sent McKinstry the e-mail
> and still no response, either in public or here. No have I received
> any indication that the message was not delivered.
> 
> So, does anybody have information about McKinstry's silence?
> Is it, as it is difficult to avoid presuming, a case of
> disappearing rather than facing the music and trying to avoid
> the public disgrace that sent Brother Johnson packing, or 
> does the Missing Link in the Chain of Evolution have some
> problem which prevents him from responding?
> 
> I's like to know, because I would like to bring the matter to
> a close.
> 
> d.A.


Has it ever occurred to you that McKinstry may have other things to do
besides respond to the rantings of a little worm on the 'Net?  Didn't
think so...

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:12:22 PDT 1995
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Mr. Equality (armalite@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

>>3. To a Hell's Angel, all brothers look alike; and they all look like
>>Mike Tyson.  Can't take a chance on THAT shit.

> I disagree, to the Hells Angels, brothers look like the little wimps
> that they are unless of course there are 20 other brothers to back the
> one up.

A freind of mine once told me that he saw the way indians fought (he lived
in Cornwall, Ontario, where there was an indian reservation).  He said
that you never fought ONE indian; you always fought ALL the indians that
were nearby, so if there were ten indians and one of them started
something, you had to fight ten of them.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 11:12:23 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The Spectre of McCarthyism (was: Racist Nazis conspire...)
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
> # Tell me, Danny, in WHICH thesauraus did you find that "trying 
> # jews" is synonymous with "censorship".
> 
> Stating that Jews guilty of "crimes against the Aryan Race"
> will be executed is, IMHO, an obvious attempt to intimidate
> and silence the opposition. 

And this is different from the jailing of hollow-cause deniers in WHAT
way, exactly?  I know:  the jailing of hollow-cause deniers ACTUALLY
HAPPENS, whereas the punishment of jews for crimes against the Aryan race
doesn't yet.

> # Well, if the people being tried are not guilty, what have 
> # they got to worry about?
> 
> It's all a question of what Kleim means by "guilty", now
> isn't it? 
>  
> ## Now, what are these
> ## "crimes" baby-nazi is talking about? Is expressing one's 
> ## opinion one of them?
>  
> # I dunno.  Why don't you ask him?
> 
> John Morris asked him this, many times. Kleim didn't answer.

So, now Milton is to be at your beck and call, providing whatever
information your over-heated little brain claims it needs?

(snip)

> # (well, now the story is, the Shoah started in 1933).
>  
> Ideologically, yes; no one claimed the mass murders started
> in 1933. Most genocides are preceded by an ideological
> preparation - in this case, an intense propaganda campaign
> against Jews and other, dehumanizing and demonizing them. This
> can be seen as part of the Holocaust, yes.

Cripes, why not reach back into the 19th century, then, when Pan-Germanism
was extant?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Oct 20 12:58:32 PDT 1995
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

> * > Les, you are speculating about how much free time I have, not about what I
> * > know.
> * 
> * Free time:  you have too much.
> * What you know:  next to nothing.
> 
> You are still speculating, but this is a step up from your usual blatent
> lies.

So, are you admitting that I'm RIGHT?

(snip)

> * > Les, Les, Les . . . do you wonder how many people now picture you with a
> * > sagging loincloth everytime they see your name? 
> * 
> * Really, Crazy, you think quite highly of yourself, doncha? 
> 
> Not particularly. I'm sure that you were a laughingstock before I arrived,
> and I've just helped expose you for the bumbling jackass that you are.

The only thing you're helping is Rob into an ulcer attack with your
bitchiness.

(snip)
 
> * Well, lurkers here can either read your enormous flap-doodle, or they can
> * read my replies to your rambling rants, where I've parsed out the
> * extraneous crap.
> 
> Yeah, they can also write to me. I get lots of e-mail about my posts, Les.

Well, isn't that just DUCKY?  Do you think that I'm losing sleep, thinking
about how much e-mail you get?  Hint, Crazy:  all the liberal whimps can
write to you for all I care.

> BTW, I just answer each one of your remarks, and you immediately chop out
> the parts that embarrass you.

No, I just chop out the irrelevant parts.

(snip - Crazy's little story about her bro-in-law deleted)
 
Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 11:51:50 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Where we choose to live... (was: The Spectre of McCarthyism)
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william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
> Evelyn Hill (hill@crl.com) wrote:
> : william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
> : : I live in a predominantly black, working-class neighborhood now.  
> : : Differences?  Sure.  You got some problem with difference?
> 
> : None whatsoever.  But I would prefer living in a White neighborhood to  
> : living in a Black neighborhood.  Do you have a problem with that?  
> 
> : I would also prefer living in a White nation to a multi-racial nation.  
> : No doubt, you DO have a problem with that.  (Correct me if I am wrong.)
> : Do you think that no racially homogeneous nations should exist - or just 
> : no White nations?  
> 
> I don't care if "racially homogeneous nations" exist.  Go buy an
> island and start one.  I don't want to live in one, however, and
> neither does most of the rest of the US citizenry, so don't try 
> to foist your own insecurities on the rest of us.

You sound pretty sure of yourself there, but I wonder if reality supports
your assertion.
 
(snip)

> : Race isn't a fiction;  it is an important human difference.  It is 
> : entirely possible to feel more comfortable with people of your own race 
> : than you do with people of other races, (and I believe *most* people do).  
> : It is also possible to like and value your own race more than other races- 
> : just as parents value their own children over other peoples children.  
> 
> I addressed this above.  Again, I think a desire to associate only with
> people like oneself is a sign of insecurity.

And I think that wanting to mix it up, like a big Coca-Cola commercial, is
a sign of insecurity.  So?

> : And this is healthy - not evil.
> 
> Doesn't strike me as particularly healthy--a bit sickly and weak, in
> fact.  I don't know if I'd call it evil, though--until you go trying
> to force it on the rest of it.  Find an area with no black people in 
> it, Mr. Hill.  Have a good time there.  Just don't afflict the rest 
> of us.

Yet, somehow, it's okay to inflict multi-racialism on "the rest of us", as
if multi-racialism is somehow "normal", and racial homogeneity is a
departure from it?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 11:51:52 PDT 1995
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Subject: Caring for children... (was: The Spectre of McCarthyism)
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Marty Kelley (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU) writes:
> On 19 Oct 1995, Evelyn Hill wrote:
> 
>> william c anderson (libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
>> : I care no more for my own "race" than I do for any other, and I 
>> : don't particularly give a shit if the white "race" becomes extinct.  
>> : In fact, I don't even recognize the validity of the term outside a 
>> : narrow scientific concept.  ...
>> : Whatcha gonna do about it, shithead?
>> 
>> Ask you to live for a year in non-White neighborhood, and see if you 
>> notice any differences between it and a White neighborhood?
> 
>> Would you say, "I care no more about my country than I do about any other 
>> country"?  Well, quite possibly you would.  How about, "I care no more 
>> about my children than I do any other children"?
> 
> How about this, instead--I care no LESS for others' children than I do 
> for my own--and I care a great deal for my own.
  
Then, you're lying.  It is impossible to care for other children as much
as you care for your own.  Do you regularly sweep the bus terminals and
train stations, taking home every urchin that you find?
  
Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Intimidation by jews (was: Genocidal Threats from Nazis)
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>  
> # Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
>  
> ## [Kleim's] Stating that Jews guilty of "crimes against the Aryan 
> ## Race" will be executed is, IMHO, an obvious attempt to intimidate
> ## and silence the opposition. 
>  
> # And this is different from the jailing of hollow-cause deniers in 
> # WHAT way, exactly?  
>  
> In a few ways,

So please specify.

> but that is not the issue here - this is a silly attempt
> to divert the discussion. It is true that in some countries (Germany,
> France, Austria), Holocaust-deniers are legally prosecuted. As I
> noted a few times, I oppose this; let the Nazi loonies speak as
> much as they want, that's my opinion.

Your opinion carries no weight.
  
> Anyway, the matter here was Kleim's statement about Jews who 
> will be executed after being convicted with "crimes against the 
> Aryan Race". It should be clear to everyone that this is a genocidal
> threat with which Kleim means to intimidate the opposition, as
> well as to outline his future plans. The writing is on the wall.

It's incredible:  you can infer so much out of what a "Natsee" says, but
when anyone comes to a conclusion based on what you say, you get all
indignant and self-righteous, demanding to see "where" you said something
in EXACTLY those words.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Yet, somehow, it's okay to inflict multi-racialism on "the rest of us", as
> : if multi-racialism is somehow "normal", and racial homogeneity is a
> : departure from it?
> 
> "Multi-racialism" is the way it is, was, and shall be, Les baby.

Really, Billy baby?  Wanna cite ANY evidence to support that?

> You
> and your tiny band of knuckledraggers are the ones who have a problem
> with reality.  You want "racial homogeneity," then go for it--there are
> quite a few uninhabited islands in the South Pacific, I believe.  You
> want "racial homogeneity" in the United States, then you're going to 
> have to shoot an awful lot of people--and this time, there are a lot 
> more of us than there are of you.  And this time, we're going to shoot
> back, sweetheart.

Oh, there was a racist uprising sometime in the past, in the United
States?  Wanna let me in on this?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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JS (johnz@aa.net) writes:
> In article <4693hj$966@crl.crl.com>, hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill) wrote:
> 
>> william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
>> : I live in a predominantly black, working-class neighborhood now.  
>> : Differences?  Sure.  You got some problem with difference?
>> 
>> None whatsoever.  But I would prefer living in a White neighborhood to  
>> living in a Black neighborhood.  Do you have a problem with that?  
>> 
>> I would also prefer living in a White nation to a multi-racial nation.  
>> No doubt, you DO have a problem with that.  (Correct me if I am wrong.)
>> Do you think that no racially homogeneous nations should exist - or just 
>> no White nations?  
> 
> Since, in the US at any rate, living in a "White nation" would involve the
> forcible dispossion and possible extermination of large segments of the
> population, I think most decent people would have a "problem" with that. 
> How else do you plan to attain racial uniformity?  Gentle persuasion?

Are you suggesting that non-whites can't be reasoned with, but that they
only understand violence?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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Subject: WHAT "reasoning"? (was: The Spectre of McCarthyism) 
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Keith Morrison (t08o@elara.sun.csd.unb.ca) writes:
> From: Marty Kelley 
> Message-ID: 
>>
>>For what it's worth, Keith, it was actually Milton Kleim who said 
>>that--in the attempt to argue that when Jefferson wrote "all men are 
>>created equal," he meant "humans" (white men, or as Kleim said, Homo 
>>sapiens sapiens) as opposed to "other hominids."  You did a nice job of 
>>demolishing Kleim's rant on that, by the way.  A couple of my students 
>>said nice things about your reasoning.

WHAT "reasoning" would that be?  Semantic tricks ala Johnnie Cochrane,
whereby the fact that Jefferson and his compatriots didn't free their
slaves at the very moment that they signed the DoI would be glossed over? 
If you're so impressed with Keith "not the T.V. guy" Morrison's reasoning,
why not ask him that?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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Elias Hall-Door Agustsson (elias@rhi.hi.is) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip)

>>Yet, somehow, it's okay to inflict multi-racialism on "the rest of us", as
>>if multi-racialism is somehow "normal", and racial homogeneity is a
>>departure from it?
> 
> Les, no-one is trying to impose multi-racialism on you.  In fact, such a
> manoeuvre is impossible, the concept is ludicrous and completely idiotic.

Really?  Hell, maybe someone should inform the government of Canada that
they're accomplishing the impossible, then.  Maybe, while they're
performing miracles, they can solve the debt problem, too.

> Les, has it ever occurred to you that you can choose where you live

Limited only by money, day-dreamer.

> and with whom you breed?

I should frigging well hope so!

> And that other people can make such decisions as well?

Ah, an anarchist.  Really, Elly, save your hyper-individualism.  It'll
make NO headway here.

You know, it always boggles the mind to see these hyper-individualists,
with their egotistical garbage.  I'd like to see how long they would have
lasted at the "Million Man March", with their "Racism is DUMB!" message.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
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Keith Morrison (T08O@UNB.CA) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>>
>>> Les, no-one is trying to impose multi-racialism on you.  In fact, such a
>>> manoeuvre is impossible, the concept is ludicrous and completely idiotic.
>>
>>Really?  Hell, maybe someone should inform the government of Canada that
>>they're accomplishing the impossible, then.  Maybe, while they're
>>performing miracles, they can solve the debt problem, too.
> 
> Mayhaps you could tell us when multiCULTURISM became multi-
> RACIALISM because I'm really kind of foggy on when that change
> occurred.

That doesn't surprise me, since you seem to be kind of foggy on most things.

Try 1965, when the nice government decided that we'd, henceforth, have
more immigration from non-white countries, and less from Europe.

> Does this mean you think the French, Spanish, Germans,
> Norwegians and Swedish are not in the same racial category as
> English-speaking Canadians because they recieve money from the
> Multiculturalism, have their activities supported and promoted, etc
> etc?

Keith, receiving a little money to celebrate one's heritage is
CONSIDERABLY different than being actively encouraged to come here in the
first place, and rapidly ghettoize sections of (mainly) three cities.

> Come to think of it, there's an Irish festival in Miramichi
> and the Highland festival in Cape Breton that also have recieved
> some support from that department.  Does this mean the Irish and
> Scottish are also seperate races?

Gee, Keithy, for someone who just lectured me on jumping to conclusions
when people make statements, you sure seem to be doing it just fine yourself.

FYI, I do NOT consider receiving government money indicative of racial
uniquness.  But to suggest that Irish, Scottish, Germans, etc., are in the
same category as East Indians, Asians, Somalians, etc., is pure nonsense,
although about what can be expected from someone like you who thinks that
multi-racialism is just hunky-dory, as long as it favours non-whites.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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Nosy (ataylor@nmsu.edu) writes:
>  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip)

> <   You sound pretty sure of yourself there, but I wonder if reality supports
> <   your assertion.
> 
> 	Well, Japan exists, and could be called "racially homogeneous".

Nosy, Nosy, Nosy...

Japan is full of Japanese.  More, the Japanese have a STRONG dislike of
anyone NOT Japanese, especially _gaijin_, (er, that's us).

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Killing fast, or killing slow... (was: Where we choose to live...)
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Nosy (ataylor@nmsu.edu) writes:
>  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> <   william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> <   > I addressed this above.  Again, I think a desire to associate only with
> <   > people like oneself is a sign of insecurity.
> 
> <   And I think that wanting to mix it up, like a big Coca-Cola commercial, is
> <   a sign of insecurity.  So?
> 
> 	So Anderson isn't advocating killing to advance his point of view.
> 
Sure he is.  Maybe he just doesn't realize it.  Check out the UN
Declaration on Genocide.  Inhibiting another group's reproduction is
considered genocide.  To put it into reality for you, non-whites
populating the earth with THEIR offspring, so that responsible Whites say,
"I don't want to bring children into this world.", is a form of genocide.
 
Les
--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 11:52:00 PDT 1995
Article: 12072 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Les's history lesson for the day
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Oh, there was a racist uprising sometime in the past, in the United
>>States?  Wanna let me in on this?
> 
>     I know how much you would want to be let in on it, but unfortunately
> the Civil War ended some one hundred thirty years ago.  I know you live in
> the past, but it's _still_ too late for you to enlist. 
> 
>     For your information, the racists lost.

For YOUR information, Beer-Stein, the War Between the States wasn't about
race, or anything like that.  It was about the Southern states CEDING from
the United States, and the Federalists saying "No way!"  Also, it wasn't a
"civil" war, because the Confederate States and the Union were NOT the
same country during the conflict.  Get it?

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 11:52:01 PDT 1995
Article: 12073 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The Spectre of McCarthyism (was: Racist Nazis conspire...)
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JS (johnz@aa.net) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> JS (johnz@aa.net) writes:
> 
>> > Since, in the US at any rate, living in a "White nation" would involve the
>> > forcible dispossion and possible extermination of large segments of the
>> > population, I think most decent people would have a "problem" with that. 
>> > How else do you plan to attain racial uniformity?  Gentle persuasion?
>> 
>> Are you suggesting that non-whites can't be reasoned with, but that they
>> only understand violence?
> 
> Clever little evasion, but you neatly sidestep the issue. If the US isn't
> a "racially homogenous" nation now, how do you propose to make it one?
> (Not as if we all don't know what you'd -like- to do, of course)

Really?  What is it I'd "like" to do?  Where, EXACTLY, did I say what I
would like to do?  Maybe you should confer with Danny Keren about this
one, he'll tell you about the importance of not jumping to conclusions. 

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 11:52:01 PDT 1995
Article: 12081 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: National Alliance info
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Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) writes:
> 
>> > As opposed to the thousands of people in positions of publicity and great
>> > power who are NOT Jewish, I guess. You've named 10 people in government,
>> > some of whom I have serious doubts ARE ACTUALLY JEWISH.
>> 
>> Oh, yes?  Which ones, doubting-Sarah?  Please, share your omniscience with
>> us.
> 
> Omniscience? Read again, Les. I said I HAVE DOUBTS. That doesn't make me
> omniscient. It makes me QUESTION the above list. And since there was not
> one iota of proof that any of the above ARE Jewish, I believe I am
> entitled to have doubts until evidence is produced.

So, tell us what your doubts are.

Of course, you won't.  Leaving us all hanging gives you an easy out,
because you can say, "I doubt it!" whenever someone makes a claim with
which you disagree.

(snip)

>> > Really? Here's one hot tip for you: Jews ARE WHITE PEOPLE. Sorry to break
>> > it to ya, but we are. And most of us look just like you, whether our names
>> > "sound" Jewish, or not. 
>> 
>> Amazing.  We apparently have so much trouble defining "White", but some
>> jew can come along and tell us all about it.
> 
> That's right, Les. YOU have trouble defining "White," I don't.

True enough.  Your definition of "white" appears to be "anyone I like".

> And by the
> way, the first paragraph in the above was NOT written by me. If you're
> going to quote, please make certain you attribute things to the right
> people. You've placed two paragraphs out of context together, and that's
> despicable. It's even beneath a piece of slime like you.

Poor baby.  Blame the newsreader for attributing your drivel to the name
that appears above it.  Stop whining and moaning like a wounded diva.
  
Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:20:42 PDT 1995
Article: 4969 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Where we choose to live... (was: The Spectre of McCarthyism)
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william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
> Evelyn Hill (hill@crl.com) wrote:
> : william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
> : : I live in a predominantly black, working-class neighborhood now.  
> : : Differences?  Sure.  You got some problem with difference?
> 
> : None whatsoever.  But I would prefer living in a White neighborhood to  
> : living in a Black neighborhood.  Do you have a problem with that?  
> 
> : I would also prefer living in a White nation to a multi-racial nation.  
> : No doubt, you DO have a problem with that.  (Correct me if I am wrong.)
> : Do you think that no racially homogeneous nations should exist - or just 
> : no White nations?  
> 
> I don't care if "racially homogeneous nations" exist.  Go buy an
> island and start one.  I don't want to live in one, however, and
> neither does most of the rest of the US citizenry, so don't try 
> to foist your own insecurities on the rest of us.

You sound pretty sure of yourself there, but I wonder if reality supports
your assertion.
 
(snip)

> : Race isn't a fiction;  it is an important human difference.  It is 
> : entirely possible to feel more comfortable with people of your own race 
> : than you do with people of other races, (and I believe *most* people do).  
> : It is also possible to like and value your own race more than other races- 
> : just as parents value their own children over other peoples children.  
> 
> I addressed this above.  Again, I think a desire to associate only with
> people like oneself is a sign of insecurity.

And I think that wanting to mix it up, like a big Coca-Cola commercial, is
a sign of insecurity.  So?

> : And this is healthy - not evil.
> 
> Doesn't strike me as particularly healthy--a bit sickly and weak, in
> fact.  I don't know if I'd call it evil, though--until you go trying
> to force it on the rest of it.  Find an area with no black people in 
> it, Mr. Hill.  Have a good time there.  Just don't afflict the rest 
> of us.

Yet, somehow, it's okay to inflict multi-racialism on "the rest of us", as
if multi-racialism is somehow "normal", and racial homogeneity is a
departure from it?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:20:43 PDT 1995
Article: 4970 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Smokin' (smokin19@orion.sgi.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) sez:
> 
>>Actually, I read in _The Dispossesed Majority_, that one can sue another
>>for slander over the accusation that one has negro ancestry.
> 
> Is that still in print!?  

Yes, it is.  It's in its second edition now, and it's available from:

National Vanguard Books
P.O. Box 330
Hillsboro WV
24946  U.S.A.

> I remember reading that book about 10 (maybe even more) years ago.
> One of the most infomative and eye-opening books I've read.  As I
> recall it was chock full of hard facts and figures that even the most
> liberal pinko couldn't deny.  That's something a lot of these empty
> barrels I see shooting their mouths off in this ng could sure use!  
> 
> Of course like I said before, they know they can't refute the message
> so instead they attack the messenger.  What else can you expect, huh?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:20:44 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Caring for children... (was: The Spectre of McCarthyism)
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Marty Kelley (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU) writes:
> On 19 Oct 1995, Evelyn Hill wrote:
> 
>> william c anderson (libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
>> : I care no more for my own "race" than I do for any other, and I 
>> : don't particularly give a shit if the white "race" becomes extinct.  
>> : In fact, I don't even recognize the validity of the term outside a 
>> : narrow scientific concept.  ...
>> : Whatcha gonna do about it, shithead?
>> 
>> Ask you to live for a year in non-White neighborhood, and see if you 
>> notice any differences between it and a White neighborhood?
> 
>> Would you say, "I care no more about my country than I do about any other 
>> country"?  Well, quite possibly you would.  How about, "I care no more 
>> about my children than I do any other children"?
> 
> How about this, instead--I care no LESS for others' children than I do 
> for my own--and I care a great deal for my own.
  
Then, you're lying.  It is impossible to care for other children as much
as you care for your own.  Do you regularly sweep the bus terminals and
train stations, taking home every urchin that you find?
  
Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:20:45 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Yet, somehow, it's okay to inflict multi-racialism on "the rest of us", as
> : if multi-racialism is somehow "normal", and racial homogeneity is a
> : departure from it?
> 
> "Multi-racialism" is the way it is, was, and shall be, Les baby.

Really, Billy baby?  Wanna cite ANY evidence to support that?

> You
> and your tiny band of knuckledraggers are the ones who have a problem
> with reality.  You want "racial homogeneity," then go for it--there are
> quite a few uninhabited islands in the South Pacific, I believe.  You
> want "racial homogeneity" in the United States, then you're going to 
> have to shoot an awful lot of people--and this time, there are a lot 
> more of us than there are of you.  And this time, we're going to shoot
> back, sweetheart.

Oh, there was a racist uprising sometime in the past, in the United
States?  Wanna let me in on this?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:20:46 PDT 1995
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JS (johnz@aa.net) writes:
> In article <4693hj$966@crl.crl.com>, hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill) wrote:
> 
>> william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
>> : I live in a predominantly black, working-class neighborhood now.  
>> : Differences?  Sure.  You got some problem with difference?
>> 
>> None whatsoever.  But I would prefer living in a White neighborhood to  
>> living in a Black neighborhood.  Do you have a problem with that?  
>> 
>> I would also prefer living in a White nation to a multi-racial nation.  
>> No doubt, you DO have a problem with that.  (Correct me if I am wrong.)
>> Do you think that no racially homogeneous nations should exist - or just 
>> no White nations?  
> 
> Since, in the US at any rate, living in a "White nation" would involve the
> forcible dispossion and possible extermination of large segments of the
> population, I think most decent people would have a "problem" with that. 
> How else do you plan to attain racial uniformity?  Gentle persuasion?

Are you suggesting that non-whites can't be reasoned with, but that they
only understand violence?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:20:47 PDT 1995
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Subject: WHAT "reasoning"? (was: The Spectre of McCarthyism) 
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Keith Morrison (t08o@elara.sun.csd.unb.ca) writes:
> From: Marty Kelley 
> Message-ID: 
>>
>>For what it's worth, Keith, it was actually Milton Kleim who said 
>>that--in the attempt to argue that when Jefferson wrote "all men are 
>>created equal," he meant "humans" (white men, or as Kleim said, Homo 
>>sapiens sapiens) as opposed to "other hominids."  You did a nice job of 
>>demolishing Kleim's rant on that, by the way.  A couple of my students 
>>said nice things about your reasoning.

WHAT "reasoning" would that be?  Semantic tricks ala Johnnie Cochrane,
whereby the fact that Jefferson and his compatriots didn't free their
slaves at the very moment that they signed the DoI would be glossed over? 
If you're so impressed with Keith "not the T.V. guy" Morrison's reasoning,
why not ask him that?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:20:48 PDT 1995
Article: 5022 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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David Waters (mbanet@netcom.com) writes:
> WARNING: Retained cross-post to alt.politics.nationalism.white and SCAfAm

(snip)

> The Master (smith@txdirect.net) wrote:
> : And while you were on your soap boxes crying, bitching, and moaning,
> : other minorities such as the Koreans, Japanese, etc. have become
> : substantially more productive minorities.
> 
> Compare the percentage of high-skilled professionals among these and other 
> Asians living in the USA to each of their home countries.  What you will 
> find is that the USA has 50% more high-skilled professionals among its 
> Asian immigrants than the corresponding populations in Asian countries.  
> 
> Also, consider how difficult (or IMPOSSIBLE) it would be for a poor Asian 
> criminal to immigrate to the USA (via the INS) than it would be for a 
> wealthy Asian professional.

So, are you therefore saying that "African-Americans" should be compared
with Asian criminals?

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:20:49 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Elias Hall-Door Agustsson (elias@rhi.hi.is) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip)

>>Yet, somehow, it's okay to inflict multi-racialism on "the rest of us", as
>>if multi-racialism is somehow "normal", and racial homogeneity is a
>>departure from it?
> 
> Les, no-one is trying to impose multi-racialism on you.  In fact, such a
> manoeuvre is impossible, the concept is ludicrous and completely idiotic.

Really?  Hell, maybe someone should inform the government of Canada that
they're accomplishing the impossible, then.  Maybe, while they're
performing miracles, they can solve the debt problem, too.

> Les, has it ever occurred to you that you can choose where you live

Limited only by money, day-dreamer.

> and with whom you breed?

I should frigging well hope so!

> And that other people can make such decisions as well?

Ah, an anarchist.  Really, Elly, save your hyper-individualism.  It'll
make NO headway here.

You know, it always boggles the mind to see these hyper-individualists,
with their egotistical garbage.  I'd like to see how long they would have
lasted at the "Million Man March", with their "Racism is DUMB!" message.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:20:50 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Crazy the spam queen! (was: Crazy on anything!)
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Crazy Jeanine Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
 
> * > * Free time:  you have too much.
> * > * What you know:  next to nothing.
> * > 
> * > You are still speculating, but this is a step up from your usual blatent
> * > lies.
> * 
> * So, are you admitting that I'm RIGHT?
> 
> Not at all. You are wrong on both counts. Now, if you said that you got
> this information about me from the Hiddenbrooke Historical Society, we'd
> know that it is a factoid that you pulled out of your ass. Since you
> merely guessing about how I spend my time and what I know, we know that
> you're just blowing brown smoke. 

No, I think I'm right... closer to home than you'd like to admit.
 
(snip)

> * > * Well, lurkers here can either read your enormous flap-doodle, or they can
> * > * read my replies to your rambling rants, where I've parsed out the
> * > * extraneous crap.
> * > 
> * > Yeah, they can also write to me. I get lots of e-mail about my posts, Les.
> * 
> * Well, isn't that just DUCKY?  Do you think that I'm losing sleep, thinking
> * about how much e-mail you get?  Hint, Crazy:  all the liberal whimps can
> * write to you for all I care.
> 
> Ah, but what if they're not all libs, Les? I correspond with many people.

"... but what if...?"  Typical liberal response.  Well, I can guarantee
you one thing, Crazy:  they're NOT people that I care about.
 
Les

who can't believe that out of millions of sperm, Crazy was the fastest

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:20:51 PDT 1995
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Keith Morrison (T08O@UNB.CA) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>>
>>> Les, no-one is trying to impose multi-racialism on you.  In fact, such a
>>> manoeuvre is impossible, the concept is ludicrous and completely idiotic.
>>
>>Really?  Hell, maybe someone should inform the government of Canada that
>>they're accomplishing the impossible, then.  Maybe, while they're
>>performing miracles, they can solve the debt problem, too.
> 
> Mayhaps you could tell us when multiCULTURISM became multi-
> RACIALISM because I'm really kind of foggy on when that change
> occurred.

That doesn't surprise me, since you seem to be kind of foggy on most things.

Try 1965, when the nice government decided that we'd, henceforth, have
more immigration from non-white countries, and less from Europe.

> Does this mean you think the French, Spanish, Germans,
> Norwegians and Swedish are not in the same racial category as
> English-speaking Canadians because they recieve money from the
> Multiculturalism, have their activities supported and promoted, etc
> etc?

Keith, receiving a little money to celebrate one's heritage is
CONSIDERABLY different than being actively encouraged to come here in the
first place, and rapidly ghettoize sections of (mainly) three cities.

> Come to think of it, there's an Irish festival in Miramichi
> and the Highland festival in Cape Breton that also have recieved
> some support from that department.  Does this mean the Irish and
> Scottish are also seperate races?

Gee, Keithy, for someone who just lectured me on jumping to conclusions
when people make statements, you sure seem to be doing it just fine yourself.

FYI, I do NOT consider receiving government money indicative of racial
uniquness.  But to suggest that Irish, Scottish, Germans, etc., are in the
same category as East Indians, Asians, Somalians, etc., is pure nonsense,
although about what can be expected from someone like you who thinks that
multi-racialism is just hunky-dory, as long as it favours non-whites.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:20:52 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Where we choose to live... (was: The Spectre of McCarthyism)
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Nosy (ataylor@nmsu.edu) writes:
>  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip)

> <   You sound pretty sure of yourself there, but I wonder if reality supports
> <   your assertion.
> 
> 	Well, Japan exists, and could be called "racially homogeneous".

Nosy, Nosy, Nosy...

Japan is full of Japanese.  More, the Japanese have a STRONG dislike of
anyone NOT Japanese, especially _gaijin_, (er, that's us).

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:20:53 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Killing fast, or killing slow... (was: Where we choose to live...)
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Nosy (ataylor@nmsu.edu) writes:
>  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> <   william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> <   > I addressed this above.  Again, I think a desire to associate only with
> <   > people like oneself is a sign of insecurity.
> 
> <   And I think that wanting to mix it up, like a big Coca-Cola commercial, is
> <   a sign of insecurity.  So?
> 
> 	So Anderson isn't advocating killing to advance his point of view.
> 
Sure he is.  Maybe he just doesn't realize it.  Check out the UN
Declaration on Genocide.  Inhibiting another group's reproduction is
considered genocide.  To put it into reality for you, non-whites
populating the earth with THEIR offspring, so that responsible Whites say,
"I don't want to bring children into this world.", is a form of genocide.
 
Les
--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:20:53 PDT 1995
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Oh, there was a racist uprising sometime in the past, in the United
>>States?  Wanna let me in on this?
> 
>     I know how much you would want to be let in on it, but unfortunately
> the Civil War ended some one hundred thirty years ago.  I know you live in
> the past, but it's _still_ too late for you to enlist. 
> 
>     For your information, the racists lost.

For YOUR information, Beer-Stein, the War Between the States wasn't about
race, or anything like that.  It was about the Southern states CEDING from
the United States, and the Federalists saying "No way!"  Also, it wasn't a
"civil" war, because the Confederate States and the Union were NOT the
same country during the conflict.  Get it?

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:20:54 PDT 1995
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JS (johnz@aa.net) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> JS (johnz@aa.net) writes:
> 
>> > Since, in the US at any rate, living in a "White nation" would involve the
>> > forcible dispossion and possible extermination of large segments of the
>> > population, I think most decent people would have a "problem" with that. 
>> > How else do you plan to attain racial uniformity?  Gentle persuasion?
>> 
>> Are you suggesting that non-whites can't be reasoned with, but that they
>> only understand violence?
> 
> Clever little evasion, but you neatly sidestep the issue. If the US isn't
> a "racially homogenous" nation now, how do you propose to make it one?
> (Not as if we all don't know what you'd -like- to do, of course)

Really?  What is it I'd "like" to do?  Where, EXACTLY, did I say what I
would like to do?  Maybe you should confer with Danny Keren about this
one, he'll tell you about the importance of not jumping to conclusions. 

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:20:55 PDT 1995
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Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) writes:
> 
>> > As opposed to the thousands of people in positions of publicity and great
>> > power who are NOT Jewish, I guess. You've named 10 people in government,
>> > some of whom I have serious doubts ARE ACTUALLY JEWISH.
>> 
>> Oh, yes?  Which ones, doubting-Sarah?  Please, share your omniscience with
>> us.
> 
> Omniscience? Read again, Les. I said I HAVE DOUBTS. That doesn't make me
> omniscient. It makes me QUESTION the above list. And since there was not
> one iota of proof that any of the above ARE Jewish, I believe I am
> entitled to have doubts until evidence is produced.

So, tell us what your doubts are.

Of course, you won't.  Leaving us all hanging gives you an easy out,
because you can say, "I doubt it!" whenever someone makes a claim with
which you disagree.

(snip)

>> > Really? Here's one hot tip for you: Jews ARE WHITE PEOPLE. Sorry to break
>> > it to ya, but we are. And most of us look just like you, whether our names
>> > "sound" Jewish, or not. 
>> 
>> Amazing.  We apparently have so much trouble defining "White", but some
>> jew can come along and tell us all about it.
> 
> That's right, Les. YOU have trouble defining "White," I don't.

True enough.  Your definition of "white" appears to be "anyone I like".

> And by the
> way, the first paragraph in the above was NOT written by me. If you're
> going to quote, please make certain you attribute things to the right
> people. You've placed two paragraphs out of context together, and that's
> despicable. It's even beneath a piece of slime like you.

Poor baby.  Blame the newsreader for attributing your drivel to the name
that appears above it.  Stop whining and moaning like a wounded diva.
  
Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:21:30 PDT 1995
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

> * > Les, you are speculating about how much free time I have, not about what I
> * > know.
> * 
> * Free time:  you have too much.
> * What you know:  next to nothing.
> 
> You are still speculating, but this is a step up from your usual blatent
> lies.

So, are you admitting that I'm RIGHT?

(snip)

> * > Les, Les, Les . . . do you wonder how many people now picture you with a
> * > sagging loincloth everytime they see your name? 
> * 
> * Really, Crazy, you think quite highly of yourself, doncha? 
> 
> Not particularly. I'm sure that you were a laughingstock before I arrived,
> and I've just helped expose you for the bumbling jackass that you are.

The only thing you're helping is Rob into an ulcer attack with your
bitchiness.

(snip)
 
> * Well, lurkers here can either read your enormous flap-doodle, or they can
> * read my replies to your rambling rants, where I've parsed out the
> * extraneous crap.
> 
> Yeah, they can also write to me. I get lots of e-mail about my posts, Les.

Well, isn't that just DUCKY?  Do you think that I'm losing sleep, thinking
about how much e-mail you get?  Hint, Crazy:  all the liberal whimps can
write to you for all I care.

> BTW, I just answer each one of your remarks, and you immediately chop out
> the parts that embarrass you.

No, I just chop out the irrelevant parts.

(snip - Crazy's little story about her bro-in-law deleted)
 
Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:21:31 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Jewish looks (was: A challenge for the geneologically inclined)
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Puff-Adder (---) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> > As I said in another post, extant photographs of Nellie Mutschler show
>> > that she has no obvious Semitic features. This is the same for her
>> > descendants, Vernon Rittscher, his daughter Mary Ann, and myself. I'll
>> > send a photo of myself to anybody who asks. If I'm a Jew and I don't know
>> > about it, I'd be interested for somebody to point it out. I sure don't
>> > look like a Jew.
>> 
>> Incredible.  So now you're telling us that there are "jewish looks"?  What
>> ARE these "jewish looks"?
>> 
>> I'm just dying to see how you back out of this one.

> Hey Les, just because someone has a "hooked nose" does not make them
> Jewish and just because a Jew doesn't have a "hooked nose" does not make
> him less Jewish. Being Jewish is about believing in God and having a
> certain culture. And it's not surprising that some Jews should have
> "hooked noses" considering their ancestors came out of the Middle East
> where that kind of nose predominates.

But I was asking about "jewish looks", not the morality of ascribing a
certain cast of features to a given race.  The line is that jews aren't a
distiguishable race ANYWAY (until the time comes for AA handouts), so how can
there be a "jewish look", whether it's an "aunty-seemyte" saying it, or a
race-mixer like you?
 
> And I know you'll spout some things of greasy skin, thick lips, being
> aggressive, loud, cheap, etc, etc, but do Jews really conform to these
> stereotypes? I mean, if I go to Saudi Arabia and find people that conform
> to these stereotypes am I to conclude that they are Jews?

No, they're Semites.  The jews are one sub-branch of the Semitic race. 
The Arabs are another.

> To put it plainly so that you'll understand: "Jewish" features preceded
> the Jews. Calling "Jewish looking" people Jewish is like calling all blue
> eyed people German. Blue eyes probably evolved tens of thousands of years
> ago before any modern European nation arose.

We're not talking about blue eyes, or ANY eyes.  We WERE talking about
"jewish looks".

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:21:32 PDT 1995
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william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
> Evelyn Hill (hill@crl.com) wrote:
> : william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
> : : I live in a predominantly black, working-class neighborhood now.  
> : : Differences?  Sure.  You got some problem with difference?
> 
> : None whatsoever.  But I would prefer living in a White neighborhood to  
> : living in a Black neighborhood.  Do you have a problem with that?  
> 
> : I would also prefer living in a White nation to a multi-racial nation.  
> : No doubt, you DO have a problem with that.  (Correct me if I am wrong.)
> : Do you think that no racially homogeneous nations should exist - or just 
> : no White nations?  
> 
> I don't care if "racially homogeneous nations" exist.  Go buy an
> island and start one.  I don't want to live in one, however, and
> neither does most of the rest of the US citizenry, so don't try 
> to foist your own insecurities on the rest of us.

You sound pretty sure of yourself there, but I wonder if reality supports
your assertion.
 
(snip)

> : Race isn't a fiction;  it is an important human difference.  It is 
> : entirely possible to feel more comfortable with people of your own race 
> : than you do with people of other races, (and I believe *most* people do).  
> : It is also possible to like and value your own race more than other races- 
> : just as parents value their own children over other peoples children.  
> 
> I addressed this above.  Again, I think a desire to associate only with
> people like oneself is a sign of insecurity.

And I think that wanting to mix it up, like a big Coca-Cola commercial, is
a sign of insecurity.  So?

> : And this is healthy - not evil.
> 
> Doesn't strike me as particularly healthy--a bit sickly and weak, in
> fact.  I don't know if I'd call it evil, though--until you go trying
> to force it on the rest of it.  Find an area with no black people in 
> it, Mr. Hill.  Have a good time there.  Just don't afflict the rest 
> of us.

Yet, somehow, it's okay to inflict multi-racialism on "the rest of us", as
if multi-racialism is somehow "normal", and racial homogeneity is a
departure from it?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:21:33 PDT 1995
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Smokin' (smokin19@orion.sgi.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) sez:
> 
>>Actually, I read in _The Dispossesed Majority_, that one can sue another
>>for slander over the accusation that one has negro ancestry.
> 
> Is that still in print!?  

Yes, it is.  It's in its second edition now, and it's available from:

National Vanguard Books
P.O. Box 330
Hillsboro WV
24946  U.S.A.

> I remember reading that book about 10 (maybe even more) years ago.
> One of the most infomative and eye-opening books I've read.  As I
> recall it was chock full of hard facts and figures that even the most
> liberal pinko couldn't deny.  That's something a lot of these empty
> barrels I see shooting their mouths off in this ng could sure use!  
> 
> Of course like I said before, they know they can't refute the message
> so instead they attack the messenger.  What else can you expect, huh?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:21:34 PDT 1995
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Subject: Caring for children... (was: The Spectre of McCarthyism)
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Marty Kelley (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU) writes:
> On 19 Oct 1995, Evelyn Hill wrote:
> 
>> william c anderson (libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
>> : I care no more for my own "race" than I do for any other, and I 
>> : don't particularly give a shit if the white "race" becomes extinct.  
>> : In fact, I don't even recognize the validity of the term outside a 
>> : narrow scientific concept.  ...
>> : Whatcha gonna do about it, shithead?
>> 
>> Ask you to live for a year in non-White neighborhood, and see if you 
>> notice any differences between it and a White neighborhood?
> 
>> Would you say, "I care no more about my country than I do about any other 
>> country"?  Well, quite possibly you would.  How about, "I care no more 
>> about my children than I do any other children"?
> 
> How about this, instead--I care no LESS for others' children than I do 
> for my own--and I care a great deal for my own.
  
Then, you're lying.  It is impossible to care for other children as much
as you care for your own.  Do you regularly sweep the bus terminals and
train stations, taking home every urchin that you find?
  
Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:21:35 PDT 1995
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william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Yet, somehow, it's okay to inflict multi-racialism on "the rest of us", as
> : if multi-racialism is somehow "normal", and racial homogeneity is a
> : departure from it?
> 
> "Multi-racialism" is the way it is, was, and shall be, Les baby.

Really, Billy baby?  Wanna cite ANY evidence to support that?

> You
> and your tiny band of knuckledraggers are the ones who have a problem
> with reality.  You want "racial homogeneity," then go for it--there are
> quite a few uninhabited islands in the South Pacific, I believe.  You
> want "racial homogeneity" in the United States, then you're going to 
> have to shoot an awful lot of people--and this time, there are a lot 
> more of us than there are of you.  And this time, we're going to shoot
> back, sweetheart.

Oh, there was a racist uprising sometime in the past, in the United
States?  Wanna let me in on this?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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JS (johnz@aa.net) writes:
> In article <4693hj$966@crl.crl.com>, hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill) wrote:
> 
>> william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
>> : I live in a predominantly black, working-class neighborhood now.  
>> : Differences?  Sure.  You got some problem with difference?
>> 
>> None whatsoever.  But I would prefer living in a White neighborhood to  
>> living in a Black neighborhood.  Do you have a problem with that?  
>> 
>> I would also prefer living in a White nation to a multi-racial nation.  
>> No doubt, you DO have a problem with that.  (Correct me if I am wrong.)
>> Do you think that no racially homogeneous nations should exist - or just 
>> no White nations?  
> 
> Since, in the US at any rate, living in a "White nation" would involve the
> forcible dispossion and possible extermination of large segments of the
> population, I think most decent people would have a "problem" with that. 
> How else do you plan to attain racial uniformity?  Gentle persuasion?

Are you suggesting that non-whites can't be reasoned with, but that they
only understand violence?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:21:37 PDT 1995
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Subject: WHAT "reasoning"? (was: The Spectre of McCarthyism) 
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Keith Morrison (t08o@elara.sun.csd.unb.ca) writes:
> From: Marty Kelley 
> Message-ID: 
>>
>>For what it's worth, Keith, it was actually Milton Kleim who said 
>>that--in the attempt to argue that when Jefferson wrote "all men are 
>>created equal," he meant "humans" (white men, or as Kleim said, Homo 
>>sapiens sapiens) as opposed to "other hominids."  You did a nice job of 
>>demolishing Kleim's rant on that, by the way.  A couple of my students 
>>said nice things about your reasoning.

WHAT "reasoning" would that be?  Semantic tricks ala Johnnie Cochrane,
whereby the fact that Jefferson and his compatriots didn't free their
slaves at the very moment that they signed the DoI would be glossed over? 
If you're so impressed with Keith "not the T.V. guy" Morrison's reasoning,
why not ask him that?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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Elias Hall-Door Agustsson (elias@rhi.hi.is) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip)

>>Yet, somehow, it's okay to inflict multi-racialism on "the rest of us", as
>>if multi-racialism is somehow "normal", and racial homogeneity is a
>>departure from it?
> 
> Les, no-one is trying to impose multi-racialism on you.  In fact, such a
> manoeuvre is impossible, the concept is ludicrous and completely idiotic.

Really?  Hell, maybe someone should inform the government of Canada that
they're accomplishing the impossible, then.  Maybe, while they're
performing miracles, they can solve the debt problem, too.

> Les, has it ever occurred to you that you can choose where you live

Limited only by money, day-dreamer.

> and with whom you breed?

I should frigging well hope so!

> And that other people can make such decisions as well?

Ah, an anarchist.  Really, Elly, save your hyper-individualism.  It'll
make NO headway here.

You know, it always boggles the mind to see these hyper-individualists,
with their egotistical garbage.  I'd like to see how long they would have
lasted at the "Million Man March", with their "Racism is DUMB!" message.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
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Crazy Jeanine Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
 
> * > * Free time:  you have too much.
> * > * What you know:  next to nothing.
> * > 
> * > You are still speculating, but this is a step up from your usual blatent
> * > lies.
> * 
> * So, are you admitting that I'm RIGHT?
> 
> Not at all. You are wrong on both counts. Now, if you said that you got
> this information about me from the Hiddenbrooke Historical Society, we'd
> know that it is a factoid that you pulled out of your ass. Since you
> merely guessing about how I spend my time and what I know, we know that
> you're just blowing brown smoke. 

No, I think I'm right... closer to home than you'd like to admit.
 
(snip)

> * > * Well, lurkers here can either read your enormous flap-doodle, or they can
> * > * read my replies to your rambling rants, where I've parsed out the
> * > * extraneous crap.
> * > 
> * > Yeah, they can also write to me. I get lots of e-mail about my posts, Les.
> * 
> * Well, isn't that just DUCKY?  Do you think that I'm losing sleep, thinking
> * about how much e-mail you get?  Hint, Crazy:  all the liberal whimps can
> * write to you for all I care.
> 
> Ah, but what if they're not all libs, Les? I correspond with many people.

"... but what if...?"  Typical liberal response.  Well, I can guarantee
you one thing, Crazy:  they're NOT people that I care about.
 
Les

who can't believe that out of millions of sperm, Crazy was the fastest

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:21:40 PDT 1995
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Keith Morrison (T08O@UNB.CA) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>>
>>> Les, no-one is trying to impose multi-racialism on you.  In fact, such a
>>> manoeuvre is impossible, the concept is ludicrous and completely idiotic.
>>
>>Really?  Hell, maybe someone should inform the government of Canada that
>>they're accomplishing the impossible, then.  Maybe, while they're
>>performing miracles, they can solve the debt problem, too.
> 
> Mayhaps you could tell us when multiCULTURISM became multi-
> RACIALISM because I'm really kind of foggy on when that change
> occurred.

That doesn't surprise me, since you seem to be kind of foggy on most things.

Try 1965, when the nice government decided that we'd, henceforth, have
more immigration from non-white countries, and less from Europe.

> Does this mean you think the French, Spanish, Germans,
> Norwegians and Swedish are not in the same racial category as
> English-speaking Canadians because they recieve money from the
> Multiculturalism, have their activities supported and promoted, etc
> etc?

Keith, receiving a little money to celebrate one's heritage is
CONSIDERABLY different than being actively encouraged to come here in the
first place, and rapidly ghettoize sections of (mainly) three cities.

> Come to think of it, there's an Irish festival in Miramichi
> and the Highland festival in Cape Breton that also have recieved
> some support from that department.  Does this mean the Irish and
> Scottish are also seperate races?

Gee, Keithy, for someone who just lectured me on jumping to conclusions
when people make statements, you sure seem to be doing it just fine yourself.

FYI, I do NOT consider receiving government money indicative of racial
uniquness.  But to suggest that Irish, Scottish, Germans, etc., are in the
same category as East Indians, Asians, Somalians, etc., is pure nonsense,
although about what can be expected from someone like you who thinks that
multi-racialism is just hunky-dory, as long as it favours non-whites.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:21:41 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Where we choose to live... (was: The Spectre of McCarthyism)
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Nosy (ataylor@nmsu.edu) writes:
>  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip)

> <   You sound pretty sure of yourself there, but I wonder if reality supports
> <   your assertion.
> 
> 	Well, Japan exists, and could be called "racially homogeneous".

Nosy, Nosy, Nosy...

Japan is full of Japanese.  More, the Japanese have a STRONG dislike of
anyone NOT Japanese, especially _gaijin_, (er, that's us).

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:21:41 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Killing fast, or killing slow... (was: Where we choose to live...)
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Nosy (ataylor@nmsu.edu) writes:
>  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> <   william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> <   > I addressed this above.  Again, I think a desire to associate only with
> <   > people like oneself is a sign of insecurity.
> 
> <   And I think that wanting to mix it up, like a big Coca-Cola commercial, is
> <   a sign of insecurity.  So?
> 
> 	So Anderson isn't advocating killing to advance his point of view.
> 
Sure he is.  Maybe he just doesn't realize it.  Check out the UN
Declaration on Genocide.  Inhibiting another group's reproduction is
considered genocide.  To put it into reality for you, non-whites
populating the earth with THEIR offspring, so that responsible Whites say,
"I don't want to bring children into this world.", is a form of genocide.
 
Les
--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:21:42 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Les's history lesson for the day
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Oh, there was a racist uprising sometime in the past, in the United
>>States?  Wanna let me in on this?
> 
>     I know how much you would want to be let in on it, but unfortunately
> the Civil War ended some one hundred thirty years ago.  I know you live in
> the past, but it's _still_ too late for you to enlist. 
> 
>     For your information, the racists lost.

For YOUR information, Beer-Stein, the War Between the States wasn't about
race, or anything like that.  It was about the Southern states CEDING from
the United States, and the Federalists saying "No way!"  Also, it wasn't a
"civil" war, because the Confederate States and the Union were NOT the
same country during the conflict.  Get it?

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:21:43 PDT 1995
Article: 7113 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) writes:
> 
>> > As opposed to the thousands of people in positions of publicity and great
>> > power who are NOT Jewish, I guess. You've named 10 people in government,
>> > some of whom I have serious doubts ARE ACTUALLY JEWISH.
>> 
>> Oh, yes?  Which ones, doubting-Sarah?  Please, share your omniscience with
>> us.
> 
> Omniscience? Read again, Les. I said I HAVE DOUBTS. That doesn't make me
> omniscient. It makes me QUESTION the above list. And since there was not
> one iota of proof that any of the above ARE Jewish, I believe I am
> entitled to have doubts until evidence is produced.

So, tell us what your doubts are.

Of course, you won't.  Leaving us all hanging gives you an easy out,
because you can say, "I doubt it!" whenever someone makes a claim with
which you disagree.

(snip)

>> > Really? Here's one hot tip for you: Jews ARE WHITE PEOPLE. Sorry to break
>> > it to ya, but we are. And most of us look just like you, whether our names
>> > "sound" Jewish, or not. 
>> 
>> Amazing.  We apparently have so much trouble defining "White", but some
>> jew can come along and tell us all about it.
> 
> That's right, Les. YOU have trouble defining "White," I don't.

True enough.  Your definition of "white" appears to be "anyone I like".

> And by the
> way, the first paragraph in the above was NOT written by me. If you're
> going to quote, please make certain you attribute things to the right
> people. You've placed two paragraphs out of context together, and that's
> despicable. It's even beneath a piece of slime like you.

Poor baby.  Blame the newsreader for attributing your drivel to the name
that appears above it.  Stop whining and moaning like a wounded diva.
  
Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct 22 12:25:11 PDT 1995
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Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) writes:
> 
>> > As opposed to the thousands of people in positions of publicity and great
>> > power who are NOT Jewish, I guess. You've named 10 people in government,
>> > some of whom I have serious doubts ARE ACTUALLY JEWISH.
>> 
>> Oh, yes?  Which ones, doubting-Sarah?  Please, share your omniscience with
>> us.
> 
> Omniscience? Read again, Les. I said I HAVE DOUBTS. That doesn't make me
> omniscient. It makes me QUESTION the above list. And since there was not
> one iota of proof that any of the above ARE Jewish, I believe I am
> entitled to have doubts until evidence is produced.

So, tell us what your doubts are.

Of course, you won't.  Leaving us all hanging gives you an easy out,
because you can say, "I doubt it!" whenever someone makes a claim with
which you disagree.

(snip)

>> > Really? Here's one hot tip for you: Jews ARE WHITE PEOPLE. Sorry to break
>> > it to ya, but we are. And most of us look just like you, whether our names
>> > "sound" Jewish, or not. 
>> 
>> Amazing.  We apparently have so much trouble defining "White", but some
>> jew can come along and tell us all about it.
> 
> That's right, Les. YOU have trouble defining "White," I don't.

True enough.  Your definition of "white" appears to be "anyone I like".

> And by the
> way, the first paragraph in the above was NOT written by me. If you're
> going to quote, please make certain you attribute things to the right
> people. You've placed two paragraphs out of context together, and that's
> despicable. It's even beneath a piece of slime like you.

Poor baby.  Blame the newsreader for attributing your drivel to the name
that appears above it.  Stop whining and moaning like a wounded diva.
  
Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct 24 08:14:38 PDT 1995
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Marty Kelley (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU) writes:

(snip)

>> > How about this, instead--I care no LESS for others' children than I do 
>> > for my own--and I care a great deal for my own.

Moi:
>> Then, you're lying.  It is impossible to care for other children as much
>> as you care for your own.  Do you regularly sweep the bus terminals and
>> train stations, taking home every urchin that you find?
>> 
> Actually, Mr. Griswold, I meant my answer in the same metaphorical, 
> political sense that Evelyn Hill brought up the analogy (And it's 
> pretty metaphorical, really--I don't even HAVE kids, yet--if you want to 
> call that a lie, too, go ahead...).  In other words, I don't think that other
> people's children should have any fewer political or social rights than my
> own would.

"Political or social rights".  Ha.  What use have starving urchins for
"political or social rights"?  Call me a dreamer, but I would think that
malnourished, exploited , abused children wouldn't give a rat's ass about
"political or social rights", but would care a great deal about feeding
themselves, or stopping their maltreatment.  So the question remains:  do
you live up to your high ideals?

> In the most literal sense, of 
> course, it is impossible to treat everyone the same--Nobody can care for 
> everyone's children, but we can damn sure make sure that racist bastards 
> don't try and undercut the rights and dignity of children who racists 
> like you consider "inferior."

It's funny, it really is.  You use "racists" as a convenient excuse for
backing out of what you say.

Pah.  You remind me of those three-sprinkle Christians who drop some spare
change into a UNICEF box and think that they're making a difference.  Your
starry-eyed talk is nothing more than a palliative for your apathy.

> Gee, and I just remarked to Keith Morrison how you'd never responded to 
> any of my posts--how very ironic.

Yep, that's me.  Ironic as hell.

Les
--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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Jamie McCarthy (jamie@voyager.net) writes:

(snip)

> See my earlier post, also emailed to Ms. Hill, on love, responsibility,
> parental bonds, skin color, and sanity.

What is it with you self-important little turds, that you have to e-mail
your posts, as well as spamming them publicly?  If someone is ignoring
you, do you really think that sending them e-mail is going to make them
reply to you?  C'mon, tell us, guys, the suspense is KILLING us!

Les



--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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Marty Kelley (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU) writes:
> On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Les Griswold wrote:

(snip)

>> > Actually, Mr. Griswold, I meant my answer in the same metaphorical, 
>> > political sense that Evelyn Hill brought up the analogy (And it's 
>> > pretty metaphorical, really--I don't even HAVE kids, yet--if you want to 
>> > call that a lie, too, go ahead...).  In other words, I don't think that other
>> > people's children should have any fewer political or social rights than my
>> > own would.
>> 
>> "Political or social rights".  Ha.  What use have starving urchins for
>> "political or social rights"?  Call me a dreamer, but I would think that
>> malnourished, exploited , abused children wouldn't give a rat's ass about
>> "political or social rights", but would care a great deal about feeding
>> themselves, or stopping their maltreatment.  So the question remains:  do
>> you live up to your high ideals?
> 
> As best I can, given limited resources--I support Tucson's shelter for 
> abused children (Casa de los Ninos), did some volunteer work remodeling 
> the children's shelter in Flagstaff,  and have done a lot of free 
> babysitting for friends. Moreover, every other month, I donate blood 
> specifically for pediatric surgery--my blood happens to lack an antibody 
> that most adults' blood has, and so it's in high demand for transfusions 
> for infants. I'm nearing my fourth gallon. 
> 
> On a more political front, I make regular donations to Amnesty 
> International, which fights human rights abuses, Child Labor among them. 

And I make regular donations to the National Alliance.  So?
 
> Have I given everything I have to the poor? No.  But that wasn't 
> the question that Evelyn Hill raised--

Hey, Marty:  I'M NOT EVELYN!  *I* am raising the question NOW:  WHY
HAVEN'T you given everything you own to the poor?

Les


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"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct 24 08:14:41 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Les's history lesson for the day
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Sarah Flemming (hitech9@intelinet.net) writes:
> mstein@access2.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
> 
>>In article ,
>>Les Griswold  wrote:
>>>Oh, there was a racist uprising sometime in the past, in the United
>>>States?  Wanna let me in on this?
> 
>>    I know how much you would want to be let in on it, but unfortunately
>>the Civil War ended some one hundred thirty years ago.  I know you live in
>>the past, but it's _still_ too late for you to enlist. 
> 
>>    For your information, the racists lost.
> 
> Excuse me, Mike, I think that you and I read a differant version of US
> History.  Mine made it clear the Civil War was about State's Rights
> and the fact that the federal government was trying make the States
> give up thier rights.  Racism wasn't a reason for the war.
> 
> Sarah Flemming


What you have to understand, Sarah, is that Mikey and his ilk feel more at
home arguing about the SEMANTICS of the War of Secession, 1861-1865, than
they do addressing the fact that it was a fratricidal war.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:10:59 PDT 1995
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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:

(snip)

> Posted and emailed (though Griswold seems to be avoiding answering my
> posts, likely because he has trouble refuting the facts concerning his
> utterences)

No, I ignore your e-mail because you're an ignorant little slob who
apparently doesn't get the message, after all these months, that his
pomposity is not well-received.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:11:00 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Caring for children... (was: The Spectre of McCarthyism)
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Mark Van Alstine (mvanalst@rbi.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Then, you're lying.  It is impossible to care for other children as much
>> as you care for your own.  
> 
> Why is this impossible? Do you perhaps have clinical evidence of this?
> (Something preferebley not dredged up from a nea-Nazi tract. Or statists
> taken from a non-existant report.)  Or is this yet another one of your
> pompous opinions? 

Ah, yes, the "I don't believe it unless it comes from a source *I* will
approve of!" argument.  It's simple, Saltine, just ask anyone with kids
whether it's possible to care for other kids as much as you care for your own.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:37:39 PDT 1995
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Emma Tafoya (emmag@cats.ucsc.edu) writes:
> First of all, I believe the MMM was a very powerful statement that did 
> scare many white people--they literally shut down Washington for a day.

So what's your point?  Who in their right minds WOULDN'T be scared of a
million negroes in one place?  Bill Clinton, strangely, was in Texas the
day of the MMM.  Neat how your own president didn't want to be in the
neighbourhood.

> Also, it was mentioned that these black men should get a job and stop 
> whining. Well perhaps they would if the white men and their institutions 
> of racism would stop taking from our communities, what little assistance 
> we have. I'm talking specifically about programs like Affirmative 
> Action. Furthermore, in response to someone who had said that people 
> should be judged on their actions and not on race, I can only say you 
> need to wake up. The fact remains that the people of color in our 
> society have a unique experience that a white person can neither 
> understand or relate to. Sure it would be nice if we saw each other as 
> equals, but I'm tired of being pressured to lose my identity and 
> assimilate in order to be your equal amd live comfortably in white 
> America. Yo soy Chicana and shall continue to be, until the day I die 
> and there's no force in this world that can make me deny that.  

Whatever.  This is truly incoherent babble, but I guess what you're saying
is, you're not going to give up your cherished victim status?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:37:40 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Political prisoners... (was: Million Man March)
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Lane Singer (lsinger@netcom.com) writes:
> Brian & Lori Henderson (BHendrsn@kirk.microsys.net) wrote:
> : fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> 
> : >:  We have no political prisoners in America.
> 
> : >Your evidence for this assertion?
> 
> : We do not take political prisoners in this country.  Please name one
> : person in prison who is there for the crime of disagreeing with the
> : government.
> 
> : I thought so.
> 
> please name one government that admits to putting people in
> prison for political differences.

Tell us, Lane, what difference does it make that China ADMITS to putting
people in prison for political differences, or not?  They still do it. 
Same with most governments in Africa - who CARES whether they ADMIT it or not?

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:37:41 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Black pride?  Where?
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This really cracks me up.  WHAT, EXACTLY, do negroes have to be proud of? 
"Well, there were Great Civilizations (tm) in Africa before you WHITE
DEVILS came along and wiped 'em out!" the wackiest negroes will say.  "So
where's the evidence?" we ask, to which negroes respond with either total
silence, or even loopier claims.  So, having demolished that myth, we next
hear, "Well, um, er, African Americans invented MANY THINGS that you WHITE
DEVILS never could have!"  Again, when asked to back up their
way-out-there claims, they answer with either total silence, or really
retarded crap like "An Af-Am invented the telephone!"  (gawd, did I laugh
when I saw THAT one!)  So, negroes didn't create, or even live in, Great
Civilizations (tm) in pre-Whitey Africa, and they didn't invent diddley
(well, except for peanut butter).  So what's left?

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:37:42 PDT 1995
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Marty Kelley (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU) writes:

(snip)

>> > How about this, instead--I care no LESS for others' children than I do 
>> > for my own--and I care a great deal for my own.

Moi:
>> Then, you're lying.  It is impossible to care for other children as much
>> as you care for your own.  Do you regularly sweep the bus terminals and
>> train stations, taking home every urchin that you find?
>> 
> Actually, Mr. Griswold, I meant my answer in the same metaphorical, 
> political sense that Evelyn Hill brought up the analogy (And it's 
> pretty metaphorical, really--I don't even HAVE kids, yet--if you want to 
> call that a lie, too, go ahead...).  In other words, I don't think that other
> people's children should have any fewer political or social rights than my
> own would.

"Political or social rights".  Ha.  What use have starving urchins for
"political or social rights"?  Call me a dreamer, but I would think that
malnourished, exploited , abused children wouldn't give a rat's ass about
"political or social rights", but would care a great deal about feeding
themselves, or stopping their maltreatment.  So the question remains:  do
you live up to your high ideals?

> In the most literal sense, of 
> course, it is impossible to treat everyone the same--Nobody can care for 
> everyone's children, but we can damn sure make sure that racist bastards 
> don't try and undercut the rights and dignity of children who racists 
> like you consider "inferior."

It's funny, it really is.  You use "racists" as a convenient excuse for
backing out of what you say.

Pah.  You remind me of those three-sprinkle Christians who drop some spare
change into a UNICEF box and think that they're making a difference.  Your
starry-eyed talk is nothing more than a palliative for your apathy.

> Gee, and I just remarked to Keith Morrison how you'd never responded to 
> any of my posts--how very ironic.

Yep, that's me.  Ironic as hell.

Les
--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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Jamie McCarthy (jamie@voyager.net) writes:

(snip)

> See my earlier post, also emailed to Ms. Hill, on love, responsibility,
> parental bonds, skin color, and sanity.

What is it with you self-important little turds, that you have to e-mail
your posts, as well as spamming them publicly?  If someone is ignoring
you, do you really think that sending them e-mail is going to make them
reply to you?  C'mon, tell us, guys, the suspense is KILLING us!

Les



--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:37:43 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: 3rd World "qualifications"
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3rd World immigrants bitch and moan that their "qualifications" aren't
"raspected" here in Canada (I'll bet that much the same goes on in the
U.S.), and that they must therefore get service-sector jobs.  Well,
considering that eye surgery is done with RAZOR BLADES in India, is it any
wonder that their "qualifications" aren't "recognized"?

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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Brian & Lori Henderson (BHendrsn@kirk.microsys.net) writes:
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> 
>>Peter Allan Bucy (petex@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>>: d
>>: >> Louis Farrakhan said today that he wants all blacks to be released
>>: >>from prison.
> 
>>: >And this is also wrong. He stated he wanted all *POLITICAL PRISONERS*
>>: >released from jail. The rest, out when time for them to come out.
> 
>>:  We have no political prisoners in America.
> 
>>Your evidence for this assertion?
> 
> We do not take political prisoners in this country.  Please name one
> person in prison who is there for the crime of disagreeing with the
> government.

David Lane, Gary Lee Yarbrough, Bruce Carrol Pierce, Richard
Scutari... oh, but I guess they don't count, because they're WHITE guys...

Les


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"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:37:45 PDT 1995
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Marty Kelley (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU) writes:
> On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Les Griswold wrote:

(snip)

>> > Actually, Mr. Griswold, I meant my answer in the same metaphorical, 
>> > political sense that Evelyn Hill brought up the analogy (And it's 
>> > pretty metaphorical, really--I don't even HAVE kids, yet--if you want to 
>> > call that a lie, too, go ahead...).  In other words, I don't think that other
>> > people's children should have any fewer political or social rights than my
>> > own would.
>> 
>> "Political or social rights".  Ha.  What use have starving urchins for
>> "political or social rights"?  Call me a dreamer, but I would think that
>> malnourished, exploited , abused children wouldn't give a rat's ass about
>> "political or social rights", but would care a great deal about feeding
>> themselves, or stopping their maltreatment.  So the question remains:  do
>> you live up to your high ideals?
> 
> As best I can, given limited resources--I support Tucson's shelter for 
> abused children (Casa de los Ninos), did some volunteer work remodeling 
> the children's shelter in Flagstaff,  and have done a lot of free 
> babysitting for friends. Moreover, every other month, I donate blood 
> specifically for pediatric surgery--my blood happens to lack an antibody 
> that most adults' blood has, and so it's in high demand for transfusions 
> for infants. I'm nearing my fourth gallon. 
> 
> On a more political front, I make regular donations to Amnesty 
> International, which fights human rights abuses, Child Labor among them. 

And I make regular donations to the National Alliance.  So?
 
> Have I given everything I have to the poor? No.  But that wasn't 
> the question that Evelyn Hill raised--

Hey, Marty:  I'M NOT EVELYN!  *I* am raising the question NOW:  WHY
HAVEN'T you given everything you own to the poor?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:37:46 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Black pride?  Where?
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aria (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>  So what's left?
>> 
>> Les
>> 
> 
>    michael jordan, bryant gumbel, and ru paul.

You were doing O.K. until you mentioned that faggot ru paul.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:37:47 PDT 1995
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Sarah Flemming (hitech9@intelinet.net) writes:
> mstein@access2.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
> 
>>In article ,
>>Les Griswold  wrote:
>>>Oh, there was a racist uprising sometime in the past, in the United
>>>States?  Wanna let me in on this?
> 
>>    I know how much you would want to be let in on it, but unfortunately
>>the Civil War ended some one hundred thirty years ago.  I know you live in
>>the past, but it's _still_ too late for you to enlist. 
> 
>>    For your information, the racists lost.
> 
> Excuse me, Mike, I think that you and I read a differant version of US
> History.  Mine made it clear the Civil War was about State's Rights
> and the fact that the federal government was trying make the States
> give up thier rights.  Racism wasn't a reason for the war.
> 
> Sarah Flemming


What you have to understand, Sarah, is that Mikey and his ilk feel more at
home arguing about the SEMANTICS of the War of Secession, 1861-1865, than
they do addressing the fact that it was a fratricidal war.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:37:48 PDT 1995
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Dowdy Jackson (djack@merle.acns.nwu.edu) writes:

(snip)

> And who ASKED YOU to support the cause(s) of black people ? This is one reason
> why the MMM was so powerful. The pre-approval of whites was a non issue. It
> was black people doing for black people without looking to the white community
> for approval on ANY level.

"... black people doing for black people without looking to the white
community...".

For a change.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
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WAYNE JOHNSON (ciacon@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> Bruce Forest writes: 
> 
>>Explain to me how someone like myself, the grandson of Polish Jewish
>>Holocaust survivors is responsible for the crimes of slave-owners from
>>Mississippi 150 years ago?
> 
> You walk in a garden, tilled by slaves, and fertilized with their
> blood.

Wow!

So now the blood of "Af-Ams" made good fertilizer?  Far out!

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:37:49 PDT 1995
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Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (NutLess Griswold) wrote:

>>This really cracks me up.  WHAT, EXACTLY, do negroes have to be proud of? 
>>"Well, there were Great Civilizations (tm) in Africa before you WHITE
>>DEVILS came along and wiped 'em out!" the wackiest negroes will say.  "So
>>where's the evidence?" we ask, to which negroes respond with either total
>>silence, or even loopier claims.  So, having demolished that myth, we next
>>hear, "Well, um, er, African Americans invented MANY THINGS that you WHITE
>>DEVILS never could have!"  Again, when asked to back up their
>>way-out-there claims, they answer with either total silence, or really
>>retarded crap like "An Af-Am invented the telephone!"  (gawd, did I laugh
>>when I saw THAT one!)  So, negroes didn't create, or even live in, Great
>>Civilizations (tm) in pre-Whitey Africa, and they didn't invent diddley
>>(well, except for peanut butter).  So what's left?
> 
> Yeah.. a bunch of red devils gnawing on each other bones before the Romans
> brought civilization to their frozen ass.

That's "assES", jackanape.  Cripes, for a university student (snicker) you
don't know shit about grammar.

> When will you cave bitch ever learn? I would like to scan and post the
> pictures of the Jenne great mosque, Kano, Zimbabwe,

I would like you to, as well, so that we could SEE the Arab-built marvels
that you claim were built by the negroes.

> ethiopian alphabet,

We're not talking about Ethiopians, who are a Hamitic race from EASTERN
Africa.  We're talking about Gold-Coast blue-gums.

> Songhai imperial dresses,

ROTFL!!!  You would compare that to the wonderful and intricate jewelry
and personal adornments made by the Celts?

> Egyptian irrigation accomplishments etc...

Hoo, boy... the Egyptians weren't negroes, arsewipe, so anything they
accomplished CANNOT be claimed as "negro achievements".

> ... Too bad you're more interested in rhetoric than constructive debate.

WHAT?!?  This from the biggest goof on the 'Net?  The one who calls White
people "devils", who SERIOUSLY thinks that some wretched nigger kingdom
can compare to ANYTHING that the White race has ever built? 
Pot-kettle-black, boy.

Les



--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:37:50 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 3rd World "qualifications" 
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Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : 3rd World immigrants bitch and moan that their "qualifications" aren't
> : "raspected" here in Canada (I'll bet that much the same goes on in the
> : U.S.), and that they must therefore get service-sector jobs.  Well,
> : considering that eye surgery is done with RAZOR BLADES in India, is it any
> : wonder that their "qualifications" aren't "recognized"?
> 
> Hmm... well, American hospitals would be in real trouble if all of our 
> foreign nurses decided to pack it up and take their skills back to the 
> Philippines or the Caribbean.  Just an observation.

Really?  Wouldn't it be nice to see if that would be so?

> Mark
> Not to mention Jewish doctors... did I mention Jewish doctors?  Well, 
> then don't forget Jewish doctors... 

Jew doctors seem to concentrate in two areas:  abortion, and cosmetic
surgery (so they can give nose jobs to other jews on the cheap).  

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:37:51 PDT 1995
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swan (swan@slip.net) writes:

(snip)

> But who is to say that if I stay, my account won't be hacked again? That 
> damage will be done in my name? I am a warrior and I guard my weapons 
> carefully. Someone took MY sword and used it in a vicious and 
> DISHONORABLE way! Someone who identified as a White racist! I am angry 
> and I feel violated! 

So you deal with it by coming on here and whining about it?  Some warrior.
 
(snip)

> If you are proud of your race (and you SHOULD be!), then ACT like a 
> MEMBER of it! You cannot just SAY "I am a great and worthy person." and 
> have people believe it. It is like a five-year-old saying "I'm all grown 
> up!". It's just not true. And people can SEE that. If you BEHAVE in a 
> manner WORTHY of your heritage, you will be SEEN as such!

... or someone claiming to be a warrior, when they're patently not.
 
> Whites. You are honorable. You have a racial identity that carries years 
> of progress, triumph and success. Behave like the noble people you ARE! 
> If you stoop to the degrading shrill tactics of the brainless ranter, you 
> will be seen as idiots and a**holes. And you will deserve it. Such people 
> are the REAL "race traitors"! They shamew the rest of us!
> 
> Blacks. Your heritage goes back to proud civilizations! You created the 
> first universities and you carry the pride and dignity of people who have 
> had to bear great loads. Do not demean the dignity of the Masai, the 
> courage of the Zulu and the honor of the enslaved men and women who 
> refused to break! Stand tall and be an exemplar of all that is good and 
> true in your heritage. All HUMANITY traces its roots back to YOU! Do not 
> show yourselves as no better than the racist loudmouths who taunt you! 

Here's where you're making a big mistake.  By buying into all of this
negrophile crap, you're entering the fight with both hands tied behind
your back, and both feet hobbled.
 
(snip)
 
> Goodbye.

Ta-ta.

Les
 


--
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:37:52 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: 3rd World "qualifications"
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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> 3rd World immigrants bitch and moan that their "qualifications" aren't
>> "raspected" here in Canada (I'll bet that much the same goes on in the
>> U.S.), and that they must therefore get service-sector jobs.  Well,
>> considering that eye surgery is done with RAZOR BLADES in India, is it any
>> wonder that their "qualifications" aren't "recognized"?
> 
> You are well known for making up your "facts", Griswold. Have you _any_
> documentation of this claim? 
> 
> For that matter, how do the tools used by doctors in any third world
> country equate to a thorough assessment of their qualifications?

Leave it to Jeffrey, folks, to defend the indefensible.  If I was anyone
else, I WOULDN'T go to Mr. Braun for advice on whether to get that
operation or not...

Les


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Lane Singer (lsinger@netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

> : > please name one government that *-admits-* to putting people in
> : > prison for political differences.
> 
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Tell us, Lane, what difference does it make that China ADMITS to putting
> : people in prison for political differences, or not?  They still do it. 
> : Same with most governments in Africa - who CARES whether they 
> : ADMIT it or not?
> 
> don't you worry your little head about it, les. if you really
> want to understand the conversation, try re-reading it about 600 
> times.

Typical Lane Singer response:  "I just got my ass burned, BIG TIME, on the
debate about politcal prisoners, so I'll switch to dumb-ass statements to
try and throw him off the scent!"  And cross-posted to FIVE boards, no
less!  Are you sure you wanna do stuff like that, Lane?  I mean, your
reputation is already low.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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WAYNE JOHNSON (ciacon@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold writes: 
>>
>>WAYNE JOHNSON (ciacon@ix.netcom.com) writes:
>>> Bruce Forest writes: 
>>> 
>>>>Explain to me how someone like myself, the grandson of Polish Jewish
>>>>Holocaust survivors is responsible for the crimes of slave-owners
> from
>>>>Mississippi 150 years ago?
>>> 
>>> You walk in a garden, tilled by slaves, and fertilized with their
>>> blood.
>>
>>Wow!
>>
>>So now the blood of "Af-Ams" made good fertilizer?  Far out!
>>--
>>"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready
>>for battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
>>		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer
> 
> Hey, turkey!  Bruce was trying to cop out.  When his ancestors showed
> up in 1939, they could eat, sleep go to school, pee, and get a job
> where black people couldn't, and black people built America with their
> blood - as did a whole lot of white people who were here before, too.

Black labour, White intelligence.  It's as simple as that.
 
> You're an ignorant schmuck, and this ain't Strabo's best quote - it's
> just one that makes you think a bunch of Scots savages were interesting
> to a sophisticated Roman who had kicked ass all the way across Europe,
> and was standing on the north shore of Scotland as he wrote.

Scottish "savages" are a lot more interesting than African savages.
 
(snip)

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:38:52 PDT 1995
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Emma Tafoya (emmag@cats.ucsc.edu) writes:
> First of all, I believe the MMM was a very powerful statement that did 
> scare many white people--they literally shut down Washington for a day.

So what's your point?  Who in their right minds WOULDN'T be scared of a
million negroes in one place?  Bill Clinton, strangely, was in Texas the
day of the MMM.  Neat how your own president didn't want to be in the
neighbourhood.

> Also, it was mentioned that these black men should get a job and stop 
> whining. Well perhaps they would if the white men and their institutions 
> of racism would stop taking from our communities, what little assistance 
> we have. I'm talking specifically about programs like Affirmative 
> Action. Furthermore, in response to someone who had said that people 
> should be judged on their actions and not on race, I can only say you 
> need to wake up. The fact remains that the people of color in our 
> society have a unique experience that a white person can neither 
> understand or relate to. Sure it would be nice if we saw each other as 
> equals, but I'm tired of being pressured to lose my identity and 
> assimilate in order to be your equal amd live comfortably in white 
> America. Yo soy Chicana and shall continue to be, until the day I die 
> and there's no force in this world that can make me deny that.  

Whatever.  This is truly incoherent babble, but I guess what you're saying
is, you're not going to give up your cherished victim status?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:38:53 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Political prisoners... (was: Million Man March)
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Lane Singer (lsinger@netcom.com) writes:
> Brian & Lori Henderson (BHendrsn@kirk.microsys.net) wrote:
> : fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> 
> : >:  We have no political prisoners in America.
> 
> : >Your evidence for this assertion?
> 
> : We do not take political prisoners in this country.  Please name one
> : person in prison who is there for the crime of disagreeing with the
> : government.
> 
> : I thought so.
> 
> please name one government that admits to putting people in
> prison for political differences.

Tell us, Lane, what difference does it make that China ADMITS to putting
people in prison for political differences, or not?  They still do it. 
Same with most governments in Africa - who CARES whether they ADMIT it or not?

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:38:54 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Black pride?  Where?
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This really cracks me up.  WHAT, EXACTLY, do negroes have to be proud of? 
"Well, there were Great Civilizations (tm) in Africa before you WHITE
DEVILS came along and wiped 'em out!" the wackiest negroes will say.  "So
where's the evidence?" we ask, to which negroes respond with either total
silence, or even loopier claims.  So, having demolished that myth, we next
hear, "Well, um, er, African Americans invented MANY THINGS that you WHITE
DEVILS never could have!"  Again, when asked to back up their
way-out-there claims, they answer with either total silence, or really
retarded crap like "An Af-Am invented the telephone!"  (gawd, did I laugh
when I saw THAT one!)  So, negroes didn't create, or even live in, Great
Civilizations (tm) in pre-Whitey Africa, and they didn't invent diddley
(well, except for peanut butter).  So what's left?

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:38:54 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Caring for children... (was: The Spectre of McCarthyism)
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Marty Kelley (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU) writes:

(snip)

>> > How about this, instead--I care no LESS for others' children than I do 
>> > for my own--and I care a great deal for my own.

Moi:
>> Then, you're lying.  It is impossible to care for other children as much
>> as you care for your own.  Do you regularly sweep the bus terminals and
>> train stations, taking home every urchin that you find?
>> 
> Actually, Mr. Griswold, I meant my answer in the same metaphorical, 
> political sense that Evelyn Hill brought up the analogy (And it's 
> pretty metaphorical, really--I don't even HAVE kids, yet--if you want to 
> call that a lie, too, go ahead...).  In other words, I don't think that other
> people's children should have any fewer political or social rights than my
> own would.

"Political or social rights".  Ha.  What use have starving urchins for
"political or social rights"?  Call me a dreamer, but I would think that
malnourished, exploited , abused children wouldn't give a rat's ass about
"political or social rights", but would care a great deal about feeding
themselves, or stopping their maltreatment.  So the question remains:  do
you live up to your high ideals?

> In the most literal sense, of 
> course, it is impossible to treat everyone the same--Nobody can care for 
> everyone's children, but we can damn sure make sure that racist bastards 
> don't try and undercut the rights and dignity of children who racists 
> like you consider "inferior."

It's funny, it really is.  You use "racists" as a convenient excuse for
backing out of what you say.

Pah.  You remind me of those three-sprinkle Christians who drop some spare
change into a UNICEF box and think that they're making a difference.  Your
starry-eyed talk is nothing more than a palliative for your apathy.

> Gee, and I just remarked to Keith Morrison how you'd never responded to 
> any of my posts--how very ironic.

Yep, that's me.  Ironic as hell.

Les
--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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Darkjedi (Darkjedi@nmia.com) writes:
> George:
> 
> Savage primitive, perhaps, but my little admonition of you certainly got
> your attention didn't it?  My style of writing doesn't normally include
> savagery but at least I admit it.

Pathetic.  George notices your savagery and implied violence, and you snap
back with "I meant to do that!"

> Your kind has done much worse than this in its past so don't condescend me.

Such as...?  Dragging the savages out of the jungles of Africa and
teaching civilization to them?  We're seeing how much (or little) effect
that's had in changing the essential nature of negroes now.

> Bigotry such as what I've seen you spew has done nothing but divide
> mankind and cause needless bloodshed.
> Also if you notice I did not threaten you directly but there are those
> out there both Black and White that would probably do this to you after
> hearing the "vomit that you spewed."

Can you say "Cover your ass"?

> Is this necessary?  I think not so
> you'd best honor your First Amendment right to free speech but be aware
> that everything that you say can and does have serious consequences.

This cuts both ways, smarty.

(snip)
 
> P.S.  The Term "White Power" is just as much an Oxymoron to Blacks as
> "Black Power" is to Whites.  Be proud of your race but keep in mind that
> I'm just as proud of mine and will fight just as vehemently for the
> Honor of my race as you do yours.

There's nothing wrong with pride, be it White or black.  However, when you
sorts exercise "Black Pride" by trying to pass off your fantasies as
reality, and darkening our names in the process, THAT'S where we draw
the line.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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Jamie McCarthy (jamie@voyager.net) writes:

(snip)

> See my earlier post, also emailed to Ms. Hill, on love, responsibility,
> parental bonds, skin color, and sanity.

What is it with you self-important little turds, that you have to e-mail
your posts, as well as spamming them publicly?  If someone is ignoring
you, do you really think that sending them e-mail is going to make them
reply to you?  C'mon, tell us, guys, the suspense is KILLING us!

Les



--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:38:57 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: 3rd World "qualifications"
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3rd World immigrants bitch and moan that their "qualifications" aren't
"raspected" here in Canada (I'll bet that much the same goes on in the
U.S.), and that they must therefore get service-sector jobs.  Well,
considering that eye surgery is done with RAZOR BLADES in India, is it any
wonder that their "qualifications" aren't "recognized"?

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
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Brian & Lori Henderson (BHendrsn@kirk.microsys.net) writes:
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> 
>>Peter Allan Bucy (petex@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>>: d
>>: >> Louis Farrakhan said today that he wants all blacks to be released
>>: >>from prison.
> 
>>: >And this is also wrong. He stated he wanted all *POLITICAL PRISONERS*
>>: >released from jail. The rest, out when time for them to come out.
> 
>>:  We have no political prisoners in America.
> 
>>Your evidence for this assertion?
> 
> We do not take political prisoners in this country.  Please name one
> person in prison who is there for the crime of disagreeing with the
> government.

David Lane, Gary Lee Yarbrough, Bruce Carrol Pierce, Richard
Scutari... oh, but I guess they don't count, because they're WHITE guys...

Les


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"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:38:58 PDT 1995
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Marty Kelley (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU) writes:
> On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Les Griswold wrote:

(snip)

>> > Actually, Mr. Griswold, I meant my answer in the same metaphorical, 
>> > political sense that Evelyn Hill brought up the analogy (And it's 
>> > pretty metaphorical, really--I don't even HAVE kids, yet--if you want to 
>> > call that a lie, too, go ahead...).  In other words, I don't think that other
>> > people's children should have any fewer political or social rights than my
>> > own would.
>> 
>> "Political or social rights".  Ha.  What use have starving urchins for
>> "political or social rights"?  Call me a dreamer, but I would think that
>> malnourished, exploited , abused children wouldn't give a rat's ass about
>> "political or social rights", but would care a great deal about feeding
>> themselves, or stopping their maltreatment.  So the question remains:  do
>> you live up to your high ideals?
> 
> As best I can, given limited resources--I support Tucson's shelter for 
> abused children (Casa de los Ninos), did some volunteer work remodeling 
> the children's shelter in Flagstaff,  and have done a lot of free 
> babysitting for friends. Moreover, every other month, I donate blood 
> specifically for pediatric surgery--my blood happens to lack an antibody 
> that most adults' blood has, and so it's in high demand for transfusions 
> for infants. I'm nearing my fourth gallon. 
> 
> On a more political front, I make regular donations to Amnesty 
> International, which fights human rights abuses, Child Labor among them. 

And I make regular donations to the National Alliance.  So?
 
> Have I given everything I have to the poor? No.  But that wasn't 
> the question that Evelyn Hill raised--

Hey, Marty:  I'M NOT EVELYN!  *I* am raising the question NOW:  WHY
HAVEN'T you given everything you own to the poor?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
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aria (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>  So what's left?
>> 
>> Les
>> 
> 
>    michael jordan, bryant gumbel, and ru paul.

You were doing O.K. until you mentioned that faggot ru paul.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:39:00 PDT 1995
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Sarah Flemming (hitech9@intelinet.net) writes:
> mstein@access2.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
> 
>>In article ,
>>Les Griswold  wrote:
>>>Oh, there was a racist uprising sometime in the past, in the United
>>>States?  Wanna let me in on this?
> 
>>    I know how much you would want to be let in on it, but unfortunately
>>the Civil War ended some one hundred thirty years ago.  I know you live in
>>the past, but it's _still_ too late for you to enlist. 
> 
>>    For your information, the racists lost.
> 
> Excuse me, Mike, I think that you and I read a differant version of US
> History.  Mine made it clear the Civil War was about State's Rights
> and the fact that the federal government was trying make the States
> give up thier rights.  Racism wasn't a reason for the war.
> 
> Sarah Flemming


What you have to understand, Sarah, is that Mikey and his ilk feel more at
home arguing about the SEMANTICS of the War of Secession, 1861-1865, than
they do addressing the fact that it was a fratricidal war.

Les


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"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:39:01 PDT 1995
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Dowdy Jackson (djack@merle.acns.nwu.edu) writes:

(snip)

> And who ASKED YOU to support the cause(s) of black people ? This is one reason
> why the MMM was so powerful. The pre-approval of whites was a non issue. It
> was black people doing for black people without looking to the white community
> for approval on ANY level.

"... black people doing for black people without looking to the white
community...".

For a change.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:39:02 PDT 1995
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WAYNE JOHNSON (ciacon@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> Bruce Forest writes: 
> 
>>Explain to me how someone like myself, the grandson of Polish Jewish
>>Holocaust survivors is responsible for the crimes of slave-owners from
>>Mississippi 150 years ago?
> 
> You walk in a garden, tilled by slaves, and fertilized with their
> blood.

Wow!

So now the blood of "Af-Ams" made good fertilizer?  Far out!

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:39:03 PDT 1995
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Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (NutLess Griswold) wrote:

>>This really cracks me up.  WHAT, EXACTLY, do negroes have to be proud of? 
>>"Well, there were Great Civilizations (tm) in Africa before you WHITE
>>DEVILS came along and wiped 'em out!" the wackiest negroes will say.  "So
>>where's the evidence?" we ask, to which negroes respond with either total
>>silence, or even loopier claims.  So, having demolished that myth, we next
>>hear, "Well, um, er, African Americans invented MANY THINGS that you WHITE
>>DEVILS never could have!"  Again, when asked to back up their
>>way-out-there claims, they answer with either total silence, or really
>>retarded crap like "An Af-Am invented the telephone!"  (gawd, did I laugh
>>when I saw THAT one!)  So, negroes didn't create, or even live in, Great
>>Civilizations (tm) in pre-Whitey Africa, and they didn't invent diddley
>>(well, except for peanut butter).  So what's left?
> 
> Yeah.. a bunch of red devils gnawing on each other bones before the Romans
> brought civilization to their frozen ass.

That's "assES", jackanape.  Cripes, for a university student (snicker) you
don't know shit about grammar.

> When will you cave bitch ever learn? I would like to scan and post the
> pictures of the Jenne great mosque, Kano, Zimbabwe,

I would like you to, as well, so that we could SEE the Arab-built marvels
that you claim were built by the negroes.

> ethiopian alphabet,

We're not talking about Ethiopians, who are a Hamitic race from EASTERN
Africa.  We're talking about Gold-Coast blue-gums.

> Songhai imperial dresses,

ROTFL!!!  You would compare that to the wonderful and intricate jewelry
and personal adornments made by the Celts?

> Egyptian irrigation accomplishments etc...

Hoo, boy... the Egyptians weren't negroes, arsewipe, so anything they
accomplished CANNOT be claimed as "negro achievements".

> ... Too bad you're more interested in rhetoric than constructive debate.

WHAT?!?  This from the biggest goof on the 'Net?  The one who calls White
people "devils", who SERIOUSLY thinks that some wretched nigger kingdom
can compare to ANYTHING that the White race has ever built? 
Pot-kettle-black, boy.

Les



--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:39:03 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 3rd World "qualifications" 
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Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : 3rd World immigrants bitch and moan that their "qualifications" aren't
> : "raspected" here in Canada (I'll bet that much the same goes on in the
> : U.S.), and that they must therefore get service-sector jobs.  Well,
> : considering that eye surgery is done with RAZOR BLADES in India, is it any
> : wonder that their "qualifications" aren't "recognized"?
> 
> Hmm... well, American hospitals would be in real trouble if all of our 
> foreign nurses decided to pack it up and take their skills back to the 
> Philippines or the Caribbean.  Just an observation.

Really?  Wouldn't it be nice to see if that would be so?

> Mark
> Not to mention Jewish doctors... did I mention Jewish doctors?  Well, 
> then don't forget Jewish doctors... 

Jew doctors seem to concentrate in two areas:  abortion, and cosmetic
surgery (so they can give nose jobs to other jews on the cheap).  

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:39:04 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: 3rd World "qualifications"
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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> 3rd World immigrants bitch and moan that their "qualifications" aren't
>> "raspected" here in Canada (I'll bet that much the same goes on in the
>> U.S.), and that they must therefore get service-sector jobs.  Well,
>> considering that eye surgery is done with RAZOR BLADES in India, is it any
>> wonder that their "qualifications" aren't "recognized"?
> 
> You are well known for making up your "facts", Griswold. Have you _any_
> documentation of this claim? 
> 
> For that matter, how do the tools used by doctors in any third world
> country equate to a thorough assessment of their qualifications?

Leave it to Jeffrey, folks, to defend the indefensible.  If I was anyone
else, I WOULDN'T go to Mr. Braun for advice on whether to get that
operation or not...

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:39:05 PDT 1995
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Lane Singer (lsinger@netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

> : > please name one government that *-admits-* to putting people in
> : > prison for political differences.
> 
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Tell us, Lane, what difference does it make that China ADMITS to putting
> : people in prison for political differences, or not?  They still do it. 
> : Same with most governments in Africa - who CARES whether they 
> : ADMIT it or not?
> 
> don't you worry your little head about it, les. if you really
> want to understand the conversation, try re-reading it about 600 
> times.

Typical Lane Singer response:  "I just got my ass burned, BIG TIME, on the
debate about politcal prisoners, so I'll switch to dumb-ass statements to
try and throw him off the scent!"  And cross-posted to FIVE boards, no
less!  Are you sure you wanna do stuff like that, Lane?  I mean, your
reputation is already low.

Les


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"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
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WAYNE JOHNSON (ciacon@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold writes: 
>>
>>WAYNE JOHNSON (ciacon@ix.netcom.com) writes:
>>> Bruce Forest writes: 
>>> 
>>>>Explain to me how someone like myself, the grandson of Polish Jewish
>>>>Holocaust survivors is responsible for the crimes of slave-owners
> from
>>>>Mississippi 150 years ago?
>>> 
>>> You walk in a garden, tilled by slaves, and fertilized with their
>>> blood.
>>
>>Wow!
>>
>>So now the blood of "Af-Ams" made good fertilizer?  Far out!
>>--
>>"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready
>>for battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
>>		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer
> 
> Hey, turkey!  Bruce was trying to cop out.  When his ancestors showed
> up in 1939, they could eat, sleep go to school, pee, and get a job
> where black people couldn't, and black people built America with their
> blood - as did a whole lot of white people who were here before, too.

Black labour, White intelligence.  It's as simple as that.
 
> You're an ignorant schmuck, and this ain't Strabo's best quote - it's
> just one that makes you think a bunch of Scots savages were interesting
> to a sophisticated Roman who had kicked ass all the way across Europe,
> and was standing on the north shore of Scotland as he wrote.

Scottish "savages" are a lot more interesting than African savages.
 
(snip)

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:39:07 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Black pride?  Where?
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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> 
>>  > Obviously people like you, with such an extreme need to tarnish other
>>  > people's pride, accomplishments etc., have nothing at all to be proud of...
>>  
>>  And what does your stunning psychoanalysis tell you about yourself, who
>>  only goes out with negresses for the shock value?
> 
> How do you know I go out with someone for shock value?

Because you said so, Foot-boy.

> You may not know what it is to actually like someone for whom they are, but
> some people actually do...

Come again?  I don't court negresses, therefore you're somehow superior to me?

>>  > Most people of "your own" race shun mean people like you
>>  
>>  No, most people of my race shun race-traitorous scum like you.
> 
> How does one "betray" his race by being a productive member of society ??

I dunno.  Become one (a productive member of society) and get back to us.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 22:39:08 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Logical dislike of race-traitors...
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Evil Beavis is starting to ask WHY people dislike race-traitors, and I can
see other libs also asking that.  So, to forestall some of the dumber
questions and personal testimonials ala Crazy Jeannie("I'm married to/shacked up
with a negress, and my family thinks it's just WONDERFUL!!!"), I'd like to
address it:

Dislike of whites who cross the colour line may not be logical, but it
happens nonetheless.  Why, for example, eB, do you think SO MANY people
stare when they see you with your dusky Dulcinea?  Has it ever crossed
your little rodent-like mind that some of them are taking STRONG offence
at what you do?

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
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Jamie McCarthy (jamie@voyager.net) writes:

(snip)

> See my earlier post, also emailed to Ms. Hill, on love, responsibility,
> parental bonds, skin color, and sanity.

What is it with you self-important little turds, that you have to e-mail
your posts, as well as spamming them publicly?  If someone is ignoring
you, do you really think that sending them e-mail is going to make them
reply to you?  C'mon, tell us, guys, the suspense is KILLING us!

Les



--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
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		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Oct 25 23:09:14 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Les's history lesson for the day
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Sarah Flemming (hitech9@intelinet.net) writes:
> mstein@access2.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
> 
>>In article ,
>>Les Griswold  wrote:
>>>Oh, there was a racist uprising sometime in the past, in the United
>>>States?  Wanna let me in on this?
> 
>>    I know how much you would want to be let in on it, but unfortunately
>>the Civil War ended some one hundred thirty years ago.  I know you live in
>>the past, but it's _still_ too late for you to enlist. 
> 
>>    For your information, the racists lost.
> 
> Excuse me, Mike, I think that you and I read a differant version of US
> History.  Mine made it clear the Civil War was about State's Rights
> and the fact that the federal government was trying make the States
> give up thier rights.  Racism wasn't a reason for the war.
> 
> Sarah Flemming


What you have to understand, Sarah, is that Mikey and his ilk feel more at
home arguing about the SEMANTICS of the War of Secession, 1861-1865, than
they do addressing the fact that it was a fratricidal war.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Oct 26 05:57:28 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: National Alliance info
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Jamie McCarthy (jamie@voyager.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) writes:
>> > Omniscience? Read again, Les. I said I HAVE DOUBTS.
>> 
>> So, tell us what your doubts are.
>> 
>> Of course, you won't.  Leaving us all hanging gives you an easy out,
>> because you can say, "I doubt it!" whenever someone makes a claim with
>> which you disagree.
> 
> This is too much.
> 
> Les, why don't you tell us all why you doubt that Hitler was really
> a short, swarthy man with black hair.  Tell us all why you think he
> was six feet tall, with light brown hair.
> 
> We'd love to hear why you "doubt" the reality of the many films and
> photographs taken of the man.
> 
> But then, leaving us all hanging gives you an easy out, etc., etc.
> 
> Your blatant hypocrisy makes you way too easy a target, Les.
> 
> Posted, followups to a.r, emailed to Les.
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes, it certainly was!  I can vouch for that!

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Oct 26 06:04:43 PDT 1995
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Jamie McCarthy (jamie@voyager.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) writes:
>> > Omniscience? Read again, Les. I said I HAVE DOUBTS.
>> 
>> So, tell us what your doubts are.
>> 
>> Of course, you won't.  Leaving us all hanging gives you an easy out,
>> because you can say, "I doubt it!" whenever someone makes a claim with
>> which you disagree.
> 
> This is too much.
> 
> Les, why don't you tell us all why you doubt that Hitler was really
> a short, swarthy man with black hair.  Tell us all why you think he
> was six feet tall, with light brown hair.
> 
> We'd love to hear why you "doubt" the reality of the many films and
> photographs taken of the man.
> 
> But then, leaving us all hanging gives you an easy out, etc., etc.
> 
> Your blatant hypocrisy makes you way too easy a target, Les.
> 
> Posted, followups to a.r, emailed to Les.
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes, it certainly was!  I can vouch for that!

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Oct 26 06:08:37 PDT 1995
Article: 5518 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 3rd World "qualifications"
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Andy "Cloth for brains" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:

(snip)

> He raises a good point. Your assertion, which you apparently meant to
> prove that Indian doctors are not fit to practice medicine, was that "they
> perform eye surgery with razor blades."

Now you're starting to get it.  See?  That wasn't so hard, now, was it?
 
> 1) Razor blades are essentially scalpels without handles. Why os their use
> proof of a lack of qualifications?

BWAHAHAHA!!!  Would you care to explain that "essential" difference to
someone who's going to get a radical keratotamy (sp?)?  Hell, why don't we
just go and tell opthamologists that they can save a bundle by buying
Gillette and Schick razor blades, instead of all that high-falutin' and
expensive surgical equipment?

> 2) How successful are these eye operations?

They're abysmal.

> If Indian doctors, with
> inferior equipment, are getting comparable results to Western physicians
> with superior equipment, I think that speaks well of their skill and
> training.

And if they aren't...?
 
> 3) Do you have any documentation of "eye surgery with razor blades," or
> are you spreading yet another urban legend that helps (or at least you
> think so) your cause?

Raggedy's paradigm:  if it's BAD, and it's about the White race, it's
probably true.  If it's bad and it's about NON-WHITES, then it's an
"urban legend".

Les



--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Oct 26 06:08:38 PDT 1995
Article: 5519 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 3rd World "qualifications"
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Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>3rd World immigrants bitch and moan that their "qualifications" aren't
>>"raspected" here in Canada (I'll bet that much the same goes on in the
>>U.S.), and that they must therefore get service-sector jobs.  Well,
>>considering that eye surgery is done with RAZOR BLADES in India, is it any
>>wonder that their "qualifications" aren't "recognized"?
> 
> You're just amazing. Most people I know from the "3rd world" breeze through
> your educational system.

Most 3rd World people here on scholarships are skimmed off the TOP of
their academic groups, so OF COURSE they're going to perform well.

(snip - the rest of Abdrool's day-dreaming deleted)

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Oct 26 06:08:39 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Black pride?  Where?
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Chuck (smoot2@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes: 
>>
>>This really cracks me up.  WHAT, EXACTLY, do negroes have to be proud
>>of?  "Well, there were Great Civilizations (tm) in Africa before you WHITE
>>DEVILS came along and wiped 'em out!" the wackiest negroes will say.  "So
>>where's the evidence?" we ask, to which negroes respond with either total
>>silence, or even loopier claims.
> 
> Well, I invite you to investigate the following ancient cultures:
> 
> 1) Kemet
> 2) Egypt

But... but weren't Kemet and Egypt the same?  Gawd, you guys, keep your
stories straight, would ya?

> 3) Ethiopia

When Ethiopians are West Africans, get back to me.  Until then, shut yer gob.

> 4) South American 

So, now South American Indians are negroes?

Les



--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Oct 26 06:08:39 PDT 1995
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Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (brainLess Griswold) wrote:
 
(snip)
 
>>> Yeah.. a bunch of red devils gnawing on each other bones before the Romans
>>> brought civilization to their frozen ass.
>>
>>That's "assES", jackanape.  Cripes, for a university student (snicker) you
>>don't know shit about grammar.
> 
> When you speak four languages it's hard to keep up with all grammar rules
 
4 languages... lemme see... rap, ghetto slang, pidgen English, and pig latin.
 
> (english is an illogical language anyway..)
 
This, coming from a boy whose race NEVER developed a written language,
ANYWHERE.
 
(snip)
 
>>> ethiopian alphabet,
>>
>>We're not talking about Ethiopians, who are a Hamitic race from EASTERN
>>Africa.  We're talking about Gold-Coast blue-gums.
>>
> Oh so are Afro-americans a caucasoid race because they have droplets of
> Caucasian bloods in them? Ethiopians are NEGROIDS mixed with diverse semite
> and hamite races, you idiot. You want to deny history so bad that you flirt
> with total lunacy. > 
 
The point still stands:  what have Ethiopians got to do with West Coast
Africans?  The answer:  NOTHING>
 
(snip)
 
> Ancient Egyptians were BLACK !!! As barbaric tribes migrated (or invaded) from all over, Egyptians mingled with them and became more=
>  and more mixed. The evidence:
> *Melanin levels in  first dynasties egyptian mumies.
> * Our Egyptian ancestors called their land Kemet "black country"
 
Whoop-de-frigging-do.  Source?
 
> * Sociological structure of ancient egyptian: identical to present day
>   sahelian african societies (matrilinearity etc..)
 
Modern-day African societies are matrilineal because the father usually
buggers off after finding out that his woman is pregnant!
 
> * Linguistics: similar words, similar meanings in African societies all over.
>   Too much to be a coincidence.
 
You have the cause and effect reversed, boy.   Has it ever occured to your
little simian mind that negro dialects and ancient Egyptian are similar
(so you say) because the negroes got some of their words from the
EGYPTIANS?  No, of course not.  Rev. Farrakoon says that the niggers were
first, so they MUST have been.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Oct 26 06:08:40 PDT 1995
Article: 5528 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Subject: Khalil IS an asshole (was: Less speaks from his asshole again...)
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I. Khalil (u9114423@muss.cis.McMaster.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
>>> When will you cave bitch ever learn? I would like to scan and post the
>>> pictures of the Jenne great mosque, Kano, Zimbabwe,
>>
>>I would like you to, as well, so that we could SEE the Arab-built marvels
>>that you claim were built by the negroes.
> 
> The complexes at Kano and Zimbabwe are not Arab-built ass-wipe.

Just because you say it with authority, and call me a name, does that make
it so?

>>> ethiopian alphabet,
>>
>>We're not talking about Ethiopians, who are a Hamitic race from EASTERN
>>Africa.  We're talking about Gold-Coast blue-gums.
> 
> You are the load your mother should have swallowed. You are a complete 
> moron. "Hamitic" is not a race but an (out-dated) LINGUISTIC term. The 
> Ethiopians are as black as the Greeks are white.

Whether the term "Hamitic" is liguistic or racial, the point stands:  WHAT
do Ethiopians have to do with Gold-Coast negro "achievements"?  Nothing. 
That's like saying that the Egyptians were negroes.  It's a load of
irrelevant shit.

(snip)

>>> Egyptian irrigation accomplishments etc...
>>
>>Hoo, boy... the Egyptians weren't negroes, arsewipe, so anything they
>>accomplished CANNOT be claimed as "negro achievements".
> 
> I agree that most Egyptians were not NegOID (use -oid not -oes).

Case in point.

> But that does not tell us anything about whites.

It DOES tell us that most "black nationalists" are reaching, because they
know that their OWN history is, shall we say, embarrassingly lacking in
anything they can be proud of.
 
Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Oct 26 06:08:41 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Joke from down under!
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Got some snail-mail from McKinstry yesterday, there was a REALLY funny
joke there, I thought I'd share with you guys:

Q:  What does a Maori get after sex?
A:  Twelve years.

He also told me that the "good luck" charm that is flogged on stupid
whites, the Tiki, is actually the representation of an aborted fetus, and
that Maori spiritual ties to the land are rooted in cannibalism.

Speaking of aborted fetuses and cannibalism, there's a story in this
month's C-FAR Newsletter about Chinese doctors eating aborted fetuses for
their "medicinal" purposes.  Pretty harrowing reading.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Oct 26 06:32:05 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: 3rd World "qualifications"
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Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>3rd World immigrants bitch and moan that their "qualifications" aren't
>>"raspected" here in Canada (I'll bet that much the same goes on in the
>>U.S.), and that they must therefore get service-sector jobs.  Well,
>>considering that eye surgery is done with RAZOR BLADES in India, is it any
>>wonder that their "qualifications" aren't "recognized"?
> 
> You're just amazing. Most people I know from the "3rd world" breeze through
> your educational system.

Most 3rd World people here on scholarships are skimmed off the TOP of
their academic groups, so OF COURSE they're going to perform well.

(snip - the rest of Abdrool's day-dreaming deleted)

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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Subject: Re: Black pride?  Where?
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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip)

>>  > How do you know I go out with someone for shock value?
>>  
>>  Because you said so, Foot-boy.
> 
> When and where??

Coupla weeks ago, right here.  I didn't archive the message, but I'm sure
ONE of your liberal butt-buddies must have.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Oct 26 06:32:07 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Joke from down under!
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Got some snail-mail from McKinstry yesterday, there was a REALLY funny
joke there, I thought I'd share with you guys:

Q:  What does a Maori get after sex?
A:  Twelve years.

He also told me that the "good luck" charm that is flogged on stupid
whites, the Tiki, is actually the representation of an aborted fetus, and
that Maori spiritual ties to the land are rooted in cannibalism.

Speaking of aborted fetuses and cannibalism, there's a story in this
month's C-FAR Newsletter about Chinese doctors eating aborted fetuses for
their "medicinal" purposes.  Pretty harrowing reading.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 15:49:22 PST 1995
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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
 
(snip)
 
> : What is it with you self-important little turds, that you have to e-mail
> : your posts, as well as spamming them publicly?  If someone is ignoring
> : you, do you really think that sending them e-mail is going to make them
> : reply to you?  C'mon, tell us, guys, the suspense is KILLING us!
> 
> 	There are several reasons for E-mailing posts.  The main one I 
> can think of is that news articles can have shaky propagation.  I know of 
> several posts regarding a recent flamewar I was involved in which I saw 
> only when a friend on another system E-mailed them to me.

It's quite patent that Jeffrey G. Brown e-mails me ONLY for the
harrassment.  Jamie McCarthy, to his credit, hasn't e-mailed me in a LONG
time, although now he's sent me one "unsolicited" e-mail (I remember him
squawking about my "unsolicited" e-mail to him, until I pointed out to
everyone that HE sent ME e-mail first.  I was merely replying.)

On a tangent, it's also pretty funny that he's told me to "get over" my
apparent obsession with his blatant disregard for netiquette, where he
posted my e-mail to him.  This, coming from the guy who ARCHIVED my response.

> 	If I'm going to respond to you (and especially if I'm going to 
> flame you), I want to make sure you see what I'm saying.  It's more a 
> matter of fairness than anything else.  

Yes, I can understand that one may attempt to do such in the name of
fairness.  But what's "fair" about e-mailing over months, when it's
OBVIOUS that you're not going to get a response?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 15:49:23 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Caring for children... (was: The Spectre of McCarthyism)
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lzaird (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Marty Kelley (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU) writes:

(snip)

Moi:
>>>> ... So the question remains:  do you live up to your high ideals?

>>> As best I can, given limited resources--I support Tucson's shelter for 
>>> abused children (Casa de los Ninos), did some volunteer work remodeling 
>>> the children's shelter in Flagstaff,  and have done a lot of free 
>>> babysitting for friends. Moreover, every other month, I donate blood 
>>> specifically for pediatric surgery--my blood happens to lack an antibody 
>>> that most adults' blood has, and so it's in high demand for transfusions 
>>> for infants. I'm nearing my fourth gallon. 
>>> On a more political front, I make regular donations to Amnesty 
>>> International, which fights human rights abuses, Child Labor among them. 

>>And I make regular donations to the National Alliance.  So?
> 
> So why don't you give EVERYTHING to the National Alliance?

Because the National Alliance is not some namby-pamby Christian-puke
organization that preaches self-abasement.
 
Marty:
>>> Have I given everything I have to the poor? No.  But that wasn't 
>>> the question that Evelyn Hill raised--

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 15:49:24 PST 1995
Article: 12923 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Talkin' to the jewsmedia!
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Kenny McOyVay is making a big schtink about my unwillingness to talk to
the media.  I thought that I would clarify for those of you confused by it
all.

One of the conditions of membership in the NA is that members _never_
speak to the media, unless it has first been approved by the Head Office. 
This is public information, right in the _Membership Handbook_, so I don't
know why Kenny is ignorant about it.  Maybe he knows, but is just
*pretending* that he doesn't.

The last time that the media called was April 20-21, right after the OKC
bombing.  They wanted an "interview" (yeah, right!) which they could use
to justify their paranoia.  I offered them the Head Office number.  They
refused, got all pouty, and told me that they had a deadline (like I was
supposed to CARE?)  I remained firm, told them that they could have the
Head Office number, or nothing.  They chose nothing.  As a side note, the
media sure as hell did NOT try to contact me about "hate on the InterNet",
or to face off with Mr. McOyVay, on television, or anywhere else.

Actually, I hope that Kenny keeps repeating his, um, "misunderstandings". 
He's helping us grow more than he realizes (gee, it almost makes me think
that he's *really* on our side, and is trying to discredit the liberal
position).  His Nizkor project has encouraged _at least_ one person to
subscribe to the Aryan News Agency, and there's no telling how many people
his speaking tour will send our way!

Gee, with enemies like Kenny, who needs friends?

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 15:49:24 PST 1995
Article: 12947 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: But at least I have a real e-mail address (was: Les is a coward and a
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liar (surprise!) 
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Civilized Man (student@ucs.indiana.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Lesster, perhaps you were occupied with Freda and did not have a chance
> to pull out *Mark Fuhrman's True and Honest History of Inferior Negroes*
> in order to repsond to me.

You have Mark Fuhrman on the brain, boy.  Get help.

> We all know that you an unethical, immoral and
> duplicitous man (I use this term "man" loosely). You will run from any
> serious confrontation with truth because of your truely cowardly and
> vile nature.

No, I just don't bother responding to you because you're a true twit. 
But, if it makes you feel like a real human, then go ahead and believe
that it's because I can't cope with your (snicker) "superior intelligence"
(snort)

> Please, coward, post some books that refute the many
> inventions of black folks from portable refrigeration to the gas mask.
> And to that Rev. Clown who claims that white folks alone built the 
> atomic bomb: there were actually six black folks on the Manhattan 
> Project including the most prominent black scientist Lyold Porterman.

Janitors don't count, and neither do bench technicians.

> One of the space cameras used for the space shuttle was invented by
> George Cruthers. A handful of other space shuttle devices were created
> by us 'negroes.'

*sigh*  Here we go again.

How much would you pathetic pithecines have developed on your own? 
Judging by the astonishing savagery in Africa in the Middle Ages, not a
blessed thing.
 
(snip)
 
> Les, now you know very well that we have been over this many times in
> the past. I have posted several books (many written by your fellow euro
> brethren) that document the many high civilizations throughout the
> African continent from the many West African kingdoms and empires
> of Mali, Ghana, Songhai, Benin, Nok, Ashanti, Kanem-Borno; East African
> empires like Nubia, Axum, Swahili city states, Buganda; Southern and
> Central African empires like Kongo, Monopatata (Zimbabwe) amomg others.

And?  Books written by guilty white liberals don't faze me a bit.
 
(snip)
 
> We all know that it is rather futile to reason with an immorally
> inclined person such as yourself. You are filled with such venom of
> hate to destroy, oppress and terrorize all people of color, like your
> ancestors, that you will attempt any lie or inane pontification to
> run from the truth. Any truth that undermines your white supremacist
> wickedness, you will dismiss. I have post several books, but you can not
> post one, because you know that you are a liar and a beast who is
> simply belching forth big white lies.

This, coming from a guy who's race NEVER invented a written language of
their own, and had to rely on the Europeans to introduce literacy to them.
 
Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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I. Khalil (u9114423@muss.cis.McMaster.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
>>> When will you cave bitch ever learn? I would like to scan and post the
>>> pictures of the Jenne great mosque, Kano, Zimbabwe,
>>
>>I would like you to, as well, so that we could SEE the Arab-built marvels
>>that you claim were built by the negroes.
> 
> The complexes at Kano and Zimbabwe are not Arab-built ass-wipe.

Just because you say it with authority, and call me a name, does that make
it so?

>>> ethiopian alphabet,
>>
>>We're not talking about Ethiopians, who are a Hamitic race from EASTERN
>>Africa.  We're talking about Gold-Coast blue-gums.
> 
> You are the load your mother should have swallowed. You are a complete 
> moron. "Hamitic" is not a race but an (out-dated) LINGUISTIC term. The 
> Ethiopians are as black as the Greeks are white.

Whether the term "Hamitic" is liguistic or racial, the point stands:  WHAT
do Ethiopians have to do with Gold-Coast negro "achievements"?  Nothing. 
That's like saying that the Egyptians were negroes.  It's a load of
irrelevant shit.

(snip)

>>> Egyptian irrigation accomplishments etc...
>>
>>Hoo, boy... the Egyptians weren't negroes, arsewipe, so anything they
>>accomplished CANNOT be claimed as "negro achievements".
> 
> I agree that most Egyptians were not NegOID (use -oid not -oes).

Case in point.

> But that does not tell us anything about whites.

It DOES tell us that most "black nationalists" are reaching, because they
know that their OWN history is, shall we say, embarrassingly lacking in
anything they can be proud of.
 
Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
                -- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 15:49:26 PST 1995
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Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>How much would you pathetic pithecines have developed on your own? 
>>Judging by the astonishing savagery in Africa in the Middle Ages, not a
>>blessed thing.
>> 
> You fucking idiot. European Middle Ages also known as the Dark Ages? 
> You must be kidding, right?

Typical nationalist negro:  take Europe at its WORST, and compare it with
fairy tales about "Great African Civilizations" (tm).  Listen, boy, I'd
rather live in Europe of the Dark Ages, than Africa at ANY time.

> Bad choice of period you cave-roaming 
> cannibal! While you red beasts were killing one another by the 100 of 
> thousands, dying from the plague, decapitating your kings, getting the 
> shit kicked outta ya by the Mongol invasions in the East, Africa had 
> stable empires as Ghana and Mali.

The difference, assuming that your fantasies about "stable empires" is
more than negrophillia, is that Europe ROSE, while Africa DEGENERATED. 
One could be really accurate and say that Europe rose WITHOUT negroes, while
Africa plunged into savagery WITH them around.

> This is documented by your own fellow 
> white  historians and comtemporary arab travelers, so check your facts 
> before coming with such extravagant bullshit.Unless of course it is 
> "guilty arab travelers" right? You lying piece of scum shower.

Abdrool, this is starting to get tiresome.  I'd like to know how many of
these books you've actually read, and how many you've just peeked at the
front page where all the quotes from the rave-reviews are.
 
(snip)

>>This, coming from a guy who's race NEVER invented a written language of
>>their own, and had to rely on the Europeans to introduce literacy to them.
> 
> This coming from a vile red beast whose race ALWAYS brought mayhem to the
> four corners of the world.

And civilization, boy.  Don't forget that.  Without us, you'd still be
swinging from trees, trying not to be the main course at supper.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 15:49:27 PST 1995
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Kwesi Ako Kennedy (kakenned@unity.ncsu.edu) writes:
> Less is never more.
> Less is always and ever will be....less (as in very little).
> With this said, Less, I wil deliver you from the sin of ignorance(ignorance is
> a sin in the context that you weild it)  by schooling you some more on the
> accomplishments of Ancient Africans.  Keep your eyes open on a ittle paragraph
> on the Moors.
> 
> See Ya!
> Kwesi Ako Kennedy

And I thought that *I* posted to a lot of groups!  Alt.SMOKERS?!?  I cut
that one out, BTW.  Get a grip, guy.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 15:49:28 PST 1995
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Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :lzaird (lzaird@io.org) writes:
>   :> So why don't you give EVERYTHING to the National Alliance?
>   :
>   :Because the National Alliance is not some namby-pamby Christian-puke
>   :organization that preaches self-abasement.
> 
> I have an easier question:
> 
> Do you give more (cash, not time, effort, or "will") to the National
> Alliance than you get from it (or its donors, etc.)?

Yep.  Your point?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:47:41 PST 1995
Article: 5617 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Khalil IS an asshole (was: Less speaks from his asshole again...)
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Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip - hi, Stewie!)

> : > You are the load your mother should have swallowed. You are a complete 
> : > moron. "Hamitic" is not a race but an (out-dated) LINGUISTIC term. The 
> : > Ethiopians are as black as the Greeks are white.
> 
> : Whether the term "Hamitic" is liguistic or racial, the point stands: 
> 
> You're making things up.  Oh, the other point.  What was it again, Les?
> 
> : WHAT do Ethiopians have to do with Gold-Coast negro "achievements"?  
> : Nothing.  That's like saying that the Egyptians were negroes.  It's a 
> : load of irrelevant shit.
> 
> Thanks.  The odd thing is, I thought so too for a long time.  
> Egyptians=black isn't how it's been taught.

Yes, it is.  Wake up and read what these silly negroes are saying.

> But I'm studying ancient 
> art for the first time this semester, and there are some very 
> interesting Egyptian pieces.  One depicts dark-skinned masters presiding 
> over their lighter (but still not white) servant types - it's in full 
> color, from a sealed tomb or something, and the different shades of 
> people show that they weren't just using brown because that was the only 
> color they had on them.  Another is a portrait of a pharaoh which is not 
> in color but which is downright - what was that phrase you used? - 
> saucer-lipped, I believe.

So?  Arabs and Asians still engage in the white-slave trade, especially of
white women.  Does that therefore mean that whites are regularly slaves,
and non-whites are regularly slave owners?  Granted, a few negroes DID own
white slaves before the War of Secession, 1861-1865, but that hardly
represented the norm, or so we are led to believe.

Say, when are the descendants of these slave-owning negroes gonna make
reparations?

> If they weren't black, they certainly seemed to think they were.

Like I once said,  *I* wanted to be black once.  And then I turned three.
 
> I could scan these things and send you gifs with full references and
> documentation if you'd like.  I think they'd do you good.

Be my guest.  FreeNet can't read gifs, though.

> And anyway, #1 I thought it was supposed to be the ENTIRE black race that 
> were losers, and #2 you haven't actually refuted any supposed west coast 
> achievements, just sort of snickered at them.  If you're going to be so 
> insistent, try, like, references and stuff.  They're fun.

Why do you think I snicker at them?  Because they're so damn stupid and
patently wrong, that arguing is really pathetic.  Remember, when you
wrestle with a pig, everyone gets dirty, and the pig likes it.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:47:42 PST 1995
Article: 5657 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Khalil IS an asshole (was: Less speaks from his asshole again...)
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I. Khalil (u9114423@muss.cis.McMaster.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold  wrote:

(snip)

>>Just because you say it with authority, and call me a name, does that make
>>it so?
> 
> I don't have to say anything. Read a book, dick-smack.

I've read many, arsehole.  I've also seen pictures of the so-called "great
architectural achievments" of the negroes.  When I stopped laughing, I
re-read it.

>>>>> ethiopian alphabet,
>>>>
>>>>We're not talking about Ethiopians, who are a Hamitic race from EASTERN
>>>>Africa.  We're talking about Gold-Coast blue-gums.
>>> 
>>> You are the load your mother should have swallowed. You are a complete 
>>> moron. "Hamitic" is not a race but an (out-dated) LINGUISTIC term. The 
>>> Ethiopians are as black as the Greeks are white.
>>
>>Whether the term "Hamitic" is liguistic or racial, the point stands:  WHAT
>>do Ethiopians have to do with Gold-Coast negro "achievements"?  Nothing.
> 
> Ethiopia is to West Africa as Greece is to England.

Oh, so you're saying that the Ethiopians explored and colonized West
Africa in the same way that the Greeks explored and colonized England?
  
(snip)

Les

> Carleton U.: where all you need to get in is a driver's liscence. (A 
> little McMaster humour:).

Very little.

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:47:43 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Damn I wish Abdrool would shut up! (was: Damn I wish I had A scanner!)
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David (dckom@future.altcom.net) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says...
>>Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:

(snip)

>>> ethiopian alphabet,
>>
>>We're not talking about Ethiopians, who are a Hamitic race from EASTERN
>>Africa.  We're talking about Gold-Coast blue-gums.
> 
> 	So East African _are_ capable of advanced cultural achivements?

_East_ Africans are NOT relevant at all to West Africans.
 
(snip)

>>> Egyptian irrigation accomplishments etc...
>>
>>Hoo, boy... the Egyptians weren't negroes, arsewipe, so anything they
>>accomplished CANNOT be claimed as "negro achievements".
> 
> 	Perhaps not, acording to 19th century antropoligists,
> but many  periods of Egyptian history show cultural exchange,
> and some interbreeding. Acording to most w.p. theory I've
> read , which is quite a lot, _any_ interbreeding makes the 
> offspring black , even to the seventh generation
> Note to Ron and the elder. Is it seven or ten. I firgot.. 
> Too bad you're more interested in rhetoric than constructive debate.

So, because the Egyptians (supposedly) mixed their culture and their genes
with negroes, they were negroes themselves?  Hell, then I guess the U.S.
is a black nation!  No more "white devil" stuff, since the U.S. is a negro
nation, right?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:47:44 PST 1995
Article: 5660 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 3rd World "qualifications"
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Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :That's pretty funny, Raggedy.  This hypothetical doctor MUST perform the
>   :surgery RIGHT then?  He can't (d) wait, or (e) refer his patient to a
>   :doctor who CAN perform the surgery right away?  In case you're too stupid
>   :to realize it, radical keratotamies are NOT life-and-death procedures. 
>   :While near-sightedness is a pain in the butt, it's hardly life-threatening.
> 
> You didn't specify radial keratotamies. You said "eye surgery."

The only eye surgery that I can think of that's urgent is cataract operations.

> If the
> alternative to surgery is permanent blindness, the worst case scenario of
> botched surgery is permanent blindness, the chances of success are better
> than even, and a scalpel is not available, then surgery with a razor blade
> by a competent physician is a responsible option.

"If, if, if..."  Raggedy, when will you understand that the world is NOT a
big fantasy-land where you can bore everyone to tears with your
Barney-the-dinosaur stories?

BTW, surgery with a razor blade by a COMPETENT physician is not the same
as surgery with a razor blade by an INCOMPETENT physician.

(snip)

>   :> If they aren't getting satisfactory results, they shouldn't be practicing
>   :> medicine. Not in North America, not in India, not anywhere. Especially
>   :> since eye surgery--your example--is elective surgery.
>   :
>   :But they ARE (practicing medicine).  Get a grip.
> 
> 1) Who's "they"?

Doctors in India.  Pay attention, cloth-guy.

> 2) What is their success rate? (something more specific than "abysmal,"
> please)

I'll get the WHO figures, and get back to you.  When they support what I
say, will you then retract everything you said?

> 3) Where did you get this information? > 

I can't recall right now, but I'll get it from some "acceptable" source. 
Will that make you happy?

>   :You know, Raggedy, you should have been a lawyer. 
 
> Thank you.

Trust Raggedy not to know when he's just been insulted.
 
> You would have been more accurate had you said "scientist," "social
> scientist" (not really sciences, but that's the most commonly used term),
> or "journalist." In all of these fields (as properly practiced), evidence
> counts, and what one wants to believe doesn't. I make a lousy zealot,
> however.

No, I said what I meant, and I meant what I said.  You'd have made a great
lawyer.

Les


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"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:47:45 PST 1995
Article: 5661 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Black pride?  Where?
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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
>>aria (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>>>    michael jordan, bryant gumbel, and ru paul.
>>					^^^^^^^^^
>>You can claim a seven foot tall drag queen as a symbol of pride?  Amazing!
> 
> Mabye my newsreader's screwed up, but it looks like you underlined
> Bryant Gumbel, it sorta gave me a laugh... But I'll assume you're
> speaking of Rupaul.

Yes, your newsreader IS screwed up, and I WAS speaking of Rupaul.

> Why not?  He's a sucessful preformance artist,
> he's probably rich by now, and he's a good symbol of a man overcomming
> odds and gaining success.

You really shouldn't use the word "man" when speaking of that over-tall
freak and transvestite.

> I know you're going to burn me at the steak for saying so,

Naw, you're not important enough for that.

> but I have respect for the man.

Why am I NOT surprised?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:47:46 PST 1995
Article: 5662 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Monty Python and liberals!
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Anybody ever see "Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail"?  Pretty
funny movie.  I was watching it over Thanksgiving (that's the weekend
nearest October 11 up here in Canada) at my in-laws.  Anyway, the part
with the Black Knight got me thinking:  King Arthur cuts off his arms and
legs, but the dumb ass refuses to accept that he has had his four limbs
amputated, and wants to keep fighting.  I thought to myself, "My GOD, what
a liberal!"  My in-laws couldn't understand why I was snickering the rest
of the time, even at the unfunny parts.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:47:47 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Caring for children... (was: The Spectre of McCarthyism)
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lzaird (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Marty Kelley (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU) writes:

(snip)

Moi:
>>>> ... So the question remains:  do you live up to your high ideals?

>>> As best I can, given limited resources--I support Tucson's shelter for 
>>> abused children (Casa de los Ninos), did some volunteer work remodeling 
>>> the children's shelter in Flagstaff,  and have done a lot of free 
>>> babysitting for friends. Moreover, every other month, I donate blood 
>>> specifically for pediatric surgery--my blood happens to lack an antibody 
>>> that most adults' blood has, and so it's in high demand for transfusions 
>>> for infants. I'm nearing my fourth gallon. 
>>> On a more political front, I make regular donations to Amnesty 
>>> International, which fights human rights abuses, Child Labor among them. 

>>And I make regular donations to the National Alliance.  So?
> 
> So why don't you give EVERYTHING to the National Alliance?

Because the National Alliance is not some namby-pamby Christian-puke
organization that preaches self-abasement.
 
Marty:
>>> Have I given everything I have to the poor? No.  But that wasn't 
>>> the question that Evelyn Hill raised--

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:47:48 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 3rd World "qualifications"
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <46ntpi$mlv@news1.ucsd.edu>, 
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> 
>>Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
>>: Jew doctors seem to concentrate in two areas:  abortion, and cosmetic
>>: surgery (so they can give nose jobs to other jews on the cheap).  
> 
>>Might we have the evidence for this?
> 
> Don't hold your breath - Mr. Griswold isn't long on facts, and
> prefers to make unsubstantiated assertions which cannot be
> supported by them.
> 
> I suspect that he does this in order to demonstrate to the
> lurkers here that National Alliance thinking (oxymoron?) is
> bereft of reason.
> 
> I find it telling that Mr. Griswold will make these foolish
> and hateful statements here on the net, but when contacted by
> the local press, he refuses to answer his telephone, or his
> front door... he just keeps his drapes closed and hides in his
> house until they go away.
> 
> In short, he's so certain that he's full of crap that he is
> too embarrassed to repeat his blatherings to the press here in
> Ottawa - ashamed of himself, I'd say.
> 
> To put it in terms simple enough for even Mr. Griswold to
> comprehend, he's a coward.

Pretty funny, Kenny, you have to resort to this sort of name-calling to
elicit a response.

Coward?  No.  Dislike journalists?  Yep.

I got burned once by the SRC (that's the French CBC for those of you who
don't parlez francais), and I don't look forward to repeating the experience.

Les


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"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 3rd World "qualifications"
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Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :BWAHAHAHA!!!  Would you care to explain that "essential" difference to
>   :someone who's going to get a radical keratotamy (sp?)?
> 
> Okay, Les. Imagine that you're a doctor in the third world. Medical
> suppplies don't arrive as often as they should. You can (a) perform
> surgery with a sharp, sterile razor blade, (b) perform surgery with a
> used, dull scalpel, or (c) don't perform surgery, and just hope your
> patient's condition doesn't worsen.
>
> Which of those decisions 

That's pretty funny, Raggedy.  This hypothetical doctor MUST perform the
surgery RIGHT then?  He can't (d) wait, or (e) refer his patient to a
doctor who CAN perform the surgery right away?  In case you're too stupid
to realize it, radical keratotamies are NOT life-and-death procedures. 
While near-sightedness is a pain in the butt, it's hardly life-threatening.

(snip)

>   :> 2) How successful are these eye operations?
>   :
>   :They're abysmal.
> 
> And you just KNOW this, right? It came to you in a dream?

You asked, I told you.  Are we to assume that the norm is that they have a
stunningly high rate of success?

>   :> If Indian doctors, with
>   :> inferior equipment, are getting comparable results to Western physicians
>   :> with superior equipment, I think that speaks well of their skill and
>   :> training.
> 
>   :And if they aren't...?
> 
> If they aren't getting satisfactory results, they shouldn't be practicing
> medicine. Not in North America, not in India, not anywhere. Especially
> since eye surgery--your example--is elective surgery.

But they ARE (practicing medicine).  Get a grip.
 
>   :> 3) Do you have any documentation of "eye surgery with razor blades," or
>   :> are you spreading yet another urban legend that helps (or at least you
>   :> think so) your cause?
>   :
>   :Raggedy's paradigm:  if it's BAD, and it's about the White race, it's
>   :probably true.  If it's bad and it's about NON-WHITES, then it's an
>   :"urban legend".
> 
> If it's a story with no evidence to support it that spreads in the
> traditional  manner, it's an urban legend. If it's proven, it's a fact.
> 
> This is elementary shit, Les. What grade did you drop out of, anyway?

You know, Raggedy, you should have been a lawyer.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Talkin' to the jewsmedia!
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Kenny McOyVay is making a big schtink about my unwillingness to talk to
the media.  I thought that I would clarify for those of you confused by it
all.

One of the conditions of membership in the NA is that members _never_
speak to the media, unless it has first been approved by the Head Office. 
This is public information, right in the _Membership Handbook_, so I don't
know why Kenny is ignorant about it.  Maybe he knows, but is just
*pretending* that he doesn't.

The last time that the media called was April 20-21, right after the OKC
bombing.  They wanted an "interview" (yeah, right!) which they could use
to justify their paranoia.  I offered them the Head Office number.  They
refused, got all pouty, and told me that they had a deadline (like I was
supposed to CARE?)  I remained firm, told them that they could have the
Head Office number, or nothing.  They chose nothing.  As a side note, the
media sure as hell did NOT try to contact me about "hate on the InterNet",
or to face off with Mr. McOyVay, on television, or anywhere else.

Actually, I hope that Kenny keeps repeating his, um, "misunderstandings". 
He's helping us grow more than he realizes (gee, it almost makes me think
that he's *really* on our side, and is trying to discredit the liberal
position).  His Nizkor project has encouraged _at least_ one person to
subscribe to the Aryan News Agency, and there's no telling how many people
his speaking tour will send our way!

Gee, with enemies like Kenny, who needs friends?

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:47:51 PST 1995
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liar (surprise!) 
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Civilized Man (student@ucs.indiana.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Lesster, perhaps you were occupied with Freda and did not have a chance
> to pull out *Mark Fuhrman's True and Honest History of Inferior Negroes*
> in order to repsond to me.

You have Mark Fuhrman on the brain, boy.  Get help.

> We all know that you an unethical, immoral and
> duplicitous man (I use this term "man" loosely). You will run from any
> serious confrontation with truth because of your truely cowardly and
> vile nature.

No, I just don't bother responding to you because you're a true twit. 
But, if it makes you feel like a real human, then go ahead and believe
that it's because I can't cope with your (snicker) "superior intelligence"
(snort)

> Please, coward, post some books that refute the many
> inventions of black folks from portable refrigeration to the gas mask.
> And to that Rev. Clown who claims that white folks alone built the 
> atomic bomb: there were actually six black folks on the Manhattan 
> Project including the most prominent black scientist Lyold Porterman.

Janitors don't count, and neither do bench technicians.

> One of the space cameras used for the space shuttle was invented by
> George Cruthers. A handful of other space shuttle devices were created
> by us 'negroes.'

*sigh*  Here we go again.

How much would you pathetic pithecines have developed on your own? 
Judging by the astonishing savagery in Africa in the Middle Ages, not a
blessed thing.
 
(snip)
 
> Les, now you know very well that we have been over this many times in
> the past. I have posted several books (many written by your fellow euro
> brethren) that document the many high civilizations throughout the
> African continent from the many West African kingdoms and empires
> of Mali, Ghana, Songhai, Benin, Nok, Ashanti, Kanem-Borno; East African
> empires like Nubia, Axum, Swahili city states, Buganda; Southern and
> Central African empires like Kongo, Monopatata (Zimbabwe) amomg others.

And?  Books written by guilty white liberals don't faze me a bit.
 
(snip)
 
> We all know that it is rather futile to reason with an immorally
> inclined person such as yourself. You are filled with such venom of
> hate to destroy, oppress and terrorize all people of color, like your
> ancestors, that you will attempt any lie or inane pontification to
> run from the truth. Any truth that undermines your white supremacist
> wickedness, you will dismiss. I have post several books, but you can not
> post one, because you know that you are a liar and a beast who is
> simply belching forth big white lies.

This, coming from a guy who's race NEVER invented a written language of
their own, and had to rely on the Europeans to introduce literacy to them.
 
Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:47:52 PST 1995
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Big cloth-lawyer guy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:

(snip)

>   :>   :You know, Raggedy, you should have been a lawyer. 
>   : 
>   :> Thank you.
>   :
>   :Trust Raggedy not to know when he's just been insulted.
> 
> I knew that you intended it as an insult. I didn't take it as one.
> 
> Very loosely, the three branches of a democratic government correspond to
> the three types of rule--rule by persuasion and emotion (the legislative),
> rule by force (the executive), and rule by reason (the courts). I consider
> the law to be not only an honorable profession--despite the dishonorable
> conduct of many in it--but absolutely essential to a civilized nation.

*sigh*  Socrates argued that democracy was one of the worst forms of
government around, being better only than tyranny.  Seeing the
proliferation of retards and rejects, I agree with him.
 
> You, apparently feel otherwise, and would gladly institute the death
> penalty for "crimes against the Aryan race," which you cannot even define.
> "I'll know it when I see it" is a fine standard for matters of personal
> taste, but it's a shitty basis for a system of justice.

I can too define the Aryan race.  It's only quibblers like you who assume
that, once defined, we can't be flexible.  Sorry, we can.

>   :No, I said what I meant, and I meant what I said.  You'd have made a great
>   :lawyer.
> 
> I may yet, Les. And if anyone tries to silence you in the U.S. (I have no
> intention to study Canadian law), you know whom to call.

Thanks, but I'd rather take my chances with the remorras over at the ACLU
(or the CLCU).

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:47:53 PST 1995
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Rob Carscadden (carscadd@pps.duke.edu) writes:
>>>bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>>>This really cracks me up.  WHAT, EXACTLY, do negroes have to be proud of? 
> 
> Coming in late as usual, been busy working,but here's my 2 pennies worth.
> 
> The question is, as stated by hier Griswold:
> WHAT, EXACTLY, do negroes have to be proud of? 
> 
> 1) Overcoming years of slavery to acheive finicial and professional 
> rewards.

There is not a SINGLE negro alive today (in America) who had to overcome
slavery.  The negroes had their progress handed to them on a silver plate,
relatively speaking.  If the Whites in the Northern States hadn't freed
them by FORCE, they'd STILL be picking cotton in the fields, saying
"yassuh, massuh!" and not even DREAMING of anything more than bare existance.

> Go to any finicial district and you will see as many black men 
> in suits as whites, asians, etc. (not meaning to leave any one out). 
> Black men who are doctors, lawyers, finicial wizards, salesmen, etc. the 
> list goes on. These men achieve great things and probably more money than 
> the WP people on this group will every see. 

Holy fuck.  Affirmative Action.
 
> Now I know we are going to hear look at the ghettos and slums and housing 
> projects blah, blah blah blah. But I can reply right back, look at any 
> trailer park, is that a fair representation of the white pop. No. And the 
> slums are not a fair representation of the black pop.

And there are just SO MANY trailer parks, aren't there?
 
> 2) Demographics sho wthat the largest expand group in the US is the Black 
> middle class. Not bad for have to suffer years of racial discrimation, 
> and still facing it today. On a sad note, which I take absolutely no 
> pleasure in mentioning, more and more white are slipping down the 
> economic ladder into poverty. Of course these info comes from the Jewish 
> (rolling of the eyes) controlled gov't and finicial circles so you most 
> likely will discard it. Besides it doesn't sit with your vision of 
> reality so it must be wrong.

Nope.  But we DO hold the jews responsible for the economic woes of the
White race.
 
> 3) Sunday afternoon as you sit on your ass and drink beer watching the 
> games on TV,

We do?

> look who the best players are.

*sigh*   And how many football stars would there be if the White man
hadn't invented the game for those stupid niggers in the first place?

> (Okay so some poles slipped 
> in but we know that the poles aren't white, sorry Rob K. but the poles 
> don't make the cut according to this ng) Every field where the blacks 
> compete they excel.

Wrong.  Negroes excel in CERTAIN endeavours, that take advantage of their
physionomy.  Same for Whites, asians, other races.

> After the Civil war, during reconstruction, the 
> winners of the Kentucky Derby were repeatedly black, so to fix this they 
> were barred form riding. Yep, that's affirmative action in work, if we 
> whites can not compete, let's ban the competition.

Uh, the HORSES win the races, not the riders, fuck-head.
 
> Over all, I think the black pop. of the US has a lot to be proud of.

Such as...?
 
(Jesse Jackson apparently made these suggestions at the MMM)

> - Register to vote and vote
> - Go to Church
> - Go meet your children's teacher

How about they go find out who their children are first?

> - Be involved in raising you children, sign the report card etc.
> - Be involved in your community, you're responsible for stopping drug 
> trafficing etc. in your own neighborhood.
> 
> So how this advice cuts across racial boundaries. He doesn't try to 
> demonize the white man, he says succeed in spite of racial inequality. 
> Why can't the WP movement preach the same message. Take Jackson's advice 
> to heart.

Because Jackson is a liar and an agitator (remember the "Hymietown"
crack?) who bragged of spitting in White peoples' food when he worked as a
waiter.  Uppity nigger.

Les
 


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battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (ShameLes Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Modern-day African societies are matrilineal because the father usually
>>buggers off after finding out that his woman is pregnant!
> 
> You're full of shit. I won't even try to argue that bullshit. "Modern 
> day"? We've been matrilinear since the beginning of times.

You've also been pathetic Stone Age savages since the beginning of times,
only progressing to anything recognizable as civilized when the White man
discovered you and taught you that there was a better way.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
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Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>How much would you pathetic pithecines have developed on your own? 
>>Judging by the astonishing savagery in Africa in the Middle Ages, not a
>>blessed thing.
>> 
> You fucking idiot. European Middle Ages also known as the Dark Ages? 
> You must be kidding, right?

Typical nationalist negro:  take Europe at its WORST, and compare it with
fairy tales about "Great African Civilizations" (tm).  Listen, boy, I'd
rather live in Europe of the Dark Ages, than Africa at ANY time.

> Bad choice of period you cave-roaming 
> cannibal! While you red beasts were killing one another by the 100 of 
> thousands, dying from the plague, decapitating your kings, getting the 
> shit kicked outta ya by the Mongol invasions in the East, Africa had 
> stable empires as Ghana and Mali.

The difference, assuming that your fantasies about "stable empires" is
more than negrophillia, is that Europe ROSE, while Africa DEGENERATED. 
One could be really accurate and say that Europe rose WITHOUT negroes, while
Africa plunged into savagery WITH them around.

> This is documented by your own fellow 
> white  historians and comtemporary arab travelers, so check your facts 
> before coming with such extravagant bullshit.Unless of course it is 
> "guilty arab travelers" right? You lying piece of scum shower.

Abdrool, this is starting to get tiresome.  I'd like to know how many of
these books you've actually read, and how many you've just peeked at the
front page where all the quotes from the rave-reviews are.
 
(snip)

>>This, coming from a guy who's race NEVER invented a written language of
>>their own, and had to rely on the Europeans to introduce literacy to them.
> 
> This coming from a vile red beast whose race ALWAYS brought mayhem to the
> four corners of the world.

And civilization, boy.  Don't forget that.  Without us, you'd still be
swinging from trees, trying not to be the main course at supper.

Les


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Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>   :And there are just SO MANY trailer parks, aren't there?
> 
> As many as there are inner-city slums, if not more so. 

1)  Trailer parks aren't deadly dangerous at night.

2)  By and large, people in trailer parks OWN their own homes.

(snip)

>   :> look who the best players are.

Doug Flutie, of the Saskatchewan Roughriders, MVP of the CFL four years
running.  White guy.

>   :sigh*   And how many football stars would there be if the White man
>   :hadn't invented the game for those stupid niggers in the first place?
> 
> There would be none, white or black. And we'd be watching Carl Lewis mop
> up the floor with lame-assed caucasian also-rans.
> 
> Two words: Jesse Owens.
> 
> Or are you going to argue that whites invented running?

Nope.  But what does it prove?  Hitler maintained that negroes were
excellent in CERTAIN TYPES of physical competition.  What does Jesse Owens
prove?  That niggers can run real fast over the short haul.  How many
long-distance runners do the black nations of Africa produce?

>   :Uh, the HORSES win the races, not the riders, fuck-head. > 

> So skilled riders are irrelevant? That'll be news to the trainers who pay
> big bucks for top jockeys.

I never said that skilled riders are IRRELEVANT, Raggedy, but you could put
a sack of potatoes on a race-horse, and he'd STILL be fast.

Les


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Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :*sigh*  Socrates argued that democracy was one of the worst forms of
>   :government around, being better only than tyranny.  Seeing the
>   :proliferation of retards and rejects, I agree with him.
> 
> Winston Churchill said that democracy was the worst form of government,
> except for all the others. Seeing the stellar record of monarchs and
> despots in this century, I agree with him.

Why am I NOT surprised that YOU find the musings of a fat alcoholic to be
divinely-inspired?

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Black pride?  Where?
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 (George@postoffice.ptd.net) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA 
> (Les Griswold) says:

(snip)

>>> ... Every field where the blacks compete they excel.
>>
>>Wrong.  Negroes excel in CERTAIN endeavours, that take advantage of 
>>their physionomy.  Same for Whites, asians, other races.
> 
> 	In light of the FACT, that black men are physically superior 
> (NFL, NBA), why is it so inconceivable..that white men..may be better at 
> say.....Military tactics or designing jet propulsion systems?

Don't buy this crap.  Blacks are better at a FEW sports events.  For
example, their thicker skulls, longer arms, and heavier rib cages give
them an advantage in boxing, but they have shitty balance, which is why
they ALWAYS get their asses whomped in kickboxing.  The distribution of
fat on their bodies makes them piss-poor swimmers.  Their legs give them a
distinct DISadvantage in long-distance running, a decided ADVANTAGE in
short-distance sprinting.  Over all, negroes can barely break even with
the White race PHYSICALLY, and they're hopelessly behind when it comes to
mental competition.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:47:59 PST 1995
Article: 5845 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Khalil IS an asshole (was: Less speaks from his asshole again...)
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Kwesi Ako Kennedy (kakenned@unity.ncsu.edu) writes:
> Less is never more.
> Less is always and ever will be....less (as in very little).
> With this said, Less, I wil deliver you from the sin of ignorance(ignorance is
> a sin in the context that you weild it)  by schooling you some more on the
> accomplishments of Ancient Africans.  Keep your eyes open on a ittle paragraph
> on the Moors.
> 
> See Ya!
> Kwesi Ako Kennedy

And I thought that *I* posted to a lot of groups!  Alt.SMOKERS?!?  I cut
that one out, BTW.  Get a grip, guy.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:47:59 PST 1995
Article: 5846 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Joke from down under!
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Teri (nclearwntr@nclearwntr.seanet.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Got some snail-mail from McKinstry yesterday, there was a REALLY funny
>>joke there, I thought I'd share with you guys:
>>
>>Q:  What does a Maori get after sex?
>>A:  Twelve years.
>>
>>He also told me that the "good luck" charm that is flogged on stupid
>>whites, the Tiki, is actually the representation of an aborted fetus, and
>>that Maori spiritual ties to the land are rooted in cannibalism.
>>
>>Speaking of aborted fetuses and cannibalism, there's a story in this
>>month's C-FAR Newsletter about Chinese doctors eating aborted fetuses for
>>their "medicinal" purposes.  Pretty harrowing reading.
> 
> Remind me not to read the ngs right after breakfast... :(

Sorry.  Yes, multi"culturalism" sure is bringing some wonderful ideas to
Canada (and soon, it'll be bringing them to the U.S.!)  Last year, in the
C-FAR Newsletter, there was an article on R.C.M.P. horses getting their
tails clipped by orientals who used 'em as aphrodisiacs.  Pretty funny,
actually, but I feel sorry for the horses.  And of course, it's old news
about orientals kidnapping and cooking pets for din-din.

> How's McKinstry doing, anyway?

Pretty good.  He says he misses the 'Net, what with all of its idiots. 
Oh, by the way, that reminds me:  he sends a big "hi" to Jeff Han.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:48:00 PST 1995
Article: 5868 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Caring for children... (was: The Spectre of McCarthyism)
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Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :lzaird (lzaird@io.org) writes:
>   :> So why don't you give EVERYTHING to the National Alliance?
>   :
>   :Because the National Alliance is not some namby-pamby Christian-puke
>   :organization that preaches self-abasement.
> 
> I have an easier question:
> 
> Do you give more (cash, not time, effort, or "will") to the National
> Alliance than you get from it (or its donors, etc.)?

Yep.  Your point?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:37 PST 1995
Article: 7698 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Khalil IS an asshole (was: Less speaks from his asshole again...)
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Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip - hi, Stewie!)

> : > You are the load your mother should have swallowed. You are a complete 
> : > moron. "Hamitic" is not a race but an (out-dated) LINGUISTIC term. The 
> : > Ethiopians are as black as the Greeks are white.
> 
> : Whether the term "Hamitic" is liguistic or racial, the point stands: 
> 
> You're making things up.  Oh, the other point.  What was it again, Les?
> 
> : WHAT do Ethiopians have to do with Gold-Coast negro "achievements"?  
> : Nothing.  That's like saying that the Egyptians were negroes.  It's a 
> : load of irrelevant shit.
> 
> Thanks.  The odd thing is, I thought so too for a long time.  
> Egyptians=black isn't how it's been taught.

Yes, it is.  Wake up and read what these silly negroes are saying.

> But I'm studying ancient 
> art for the first time this semester, and there are some very 
> interesting Egyptian pieces.  One depicts dark-skinned masters presiding 
> over their lighter (but still not white) servant types - it's in full 
> color, from a sealed tomb or something, and the different shades of 
> people show that they weren't just using brown because that was the only 
> color they had on them.  Another is a portrait of a pharaoh which is not 
> in color but which is downright - what was that phrase you used? - 
> saucer-lipped, I believe.

So?  Arabs and Asians still engage in the white-slave trade, especially of
white women.  Does that therefore mean that whites are regularly slaves,
and non-whites are regularly slave owners?  Granted, a few negroes DID own
white slaves before the War of Secession, 1861-1865, but that hardly
represented the norm, or so we are led to believe.

Say, when are the descendants of these slave-owning negroes gonna make
reparations?

> If they weren't black, they certainly seemed to think they were.

Like I once said,  *I* wanted to be black once.  And then I turned three.
 
> I could scan these things and send you gifs with full references and
> documentation if you'd like.  I think they'd do you good.

Be my guest.  FreeNet can't read gifs, though.

> And anyway, #1 I thought it was supposed to be the ENTIRE black race that 
> were losers, and #2 you haven't actually refuted any supposed west coast 
> achievements, just sort of snickered at them.  If you're going to be so 
> insistent, try, like, references and stuff.  They're fun.

Why do you think I snicker at them?  Because they're so damn stupid and
patently wrong, that arguing is really pathetic.  Remember, when you
wrestle with a pig, everyone gets dirty, and the pig likes it.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:

(snip - Foot-boy and Brenda drooling over mulatresses)

>>  BTW Miss Universe is half Black you know.
                         ^^^^^^^^^^
And what's the other half?  I thought so.

(snip)
 
> Well, like most British women, most Afrikaner women I've met are pale and
> haggardly looking! Just my opinion of course... Kinda strange though,
> because most Dutch women I've met are really beautiful. At least the ones
> working at Schiphol Airport!!

Hoo, boy, more Foot-boy lies.  Hey, Beaver, hasn't it occured to you that
NO-ONE takes you seriously?  How does it feel to be held in utter contempt?

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:39 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Khalil IS an asshole (was: Less speaks from his asshole again...)
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I. Khalil (u9114423@muss.cis.McMaster.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold  wrote:

(snip)

>>Just because you say it with authority, and call me a name, does that make
>>it so?
> 
> I don't have to say anything. Read a book, dick-smack.

I've read many, arsehole.  I've also seen pictures of the so-called "great
architectural achievments" of the negroes.  When I stopped laughing, I
re-read it.

>>>>> ethiopian alphabet,
>>>>
>>>>We're not talking about Ethiopians, who are a Hamitic race from EASTERN
>>>>Africa.  We're talking about Gold-Coast blue-gums.
>>> 
>>> You are the load your mother should have swallowed. You are a complete 
>>> moron. "Hamitic" is not a race but an (out-dated) LINGUISTIC term. The 
>>> Ethiopians are as black as the Greeks are white.
>>
>>Whether the term "Hamitic" is liguistic or racial, the point stands:  WHAT
>>do Ethiopians have to do with Gold-Coast negro "achievements"?  Nothing.
> 
> Ethiopia is to West Africa as Greece is to England.

Oh, so you're saying that the Ethiopians explored and colonized West
Africa in the same way that the Greeks explored and colonized England?
  
(snip)

Les

> Carleton U.: where all you need to get in is a driver's liscence. (A 
> little McMaster humour:).

Very little.

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:40 PST 1995
Article: 7746 of alt.politics.white-power
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David (dckom@future.altcom.net) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says...
>>Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:

(snip)

>>> ethiopian alphabet,
>>
>>We're not talking about Ethiopians, who are a Hamitic race from EASTERN
>>Africa.  We're talking about Gold-Coast blue-gums.
> 
> 	So East African _are_ capable of advanced cultural achivements?

_East_ Africans are NOT relevant at all to West Africans.
 
(snip)

>>> Egyptian irrigation accomplishments etc...
>>
>>Hoo, boy... the Egyptians weren't negroes, arsewipe, so anything they
>>accomplished CANNOT be claimed as "negro achievements".
> 
> 	Perhaps not, acording to 19th century antropoligists,
> but many  periods of Egyptian history show cultural exchange,
> and some interbreeding. Acording to most w.p. theory I've
> read , which is quite a lot, _any_ interbreeding makes the 
> offspring black , even to the seventh generation
> Note to Ron and the elder. Is it seven or ten. I firgot.. 
> Too bad you're more interested in rhetoric than constructive debate.

So, because the Egyptians (supposedly) mixed their culture and their genes
with negroes, they were negroes themselves?  Hell, then I guess the U.S.
is a black nation!  No more "white devil" stuff, since the U.S. is a negro
nation, right?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:41 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Logical dislike of race-traitors...
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> * Evil Beavis is starting to ask WHY people dislike race-traitors, and I can
> * see other libs also asking that.  So, to forestall some of the dumber
> * questions and personal testimonials ala Crazy Jeannie("I'm married to/shacked
> * up with a negress, and my family thinks it's just WONDERFUL!!!"), I'd like to
> * address it:
> 
> Translation: My politics have nothing to do with reality, and I don't want
> the real life experiences of others to undermine my shaky belief system.

No, I believe the real translation should be of Foot-boy's statement, that
he's such a fucking loser that he has to slum it with a negress.

> * Dislike of whites who cross the colour line may not be logical, but it
> * happens nonetheless.  Why, for example, eB, do you think SO MANY people
> * stare when they see you with your dusky Dulcinea? 
> 
> People stare because they're fucking rude. Staring, pointing and laughing
> at others are behaviors usually associated with children who don't know
> any better.  You should have outgrown the need to put others down just to
> bolster your own self-importance long ago. You need to grow up and learn
> some manners, Les.

The Dr. Spock psychoanalysis isn't gonna save your essentially wrong and
wrong-headed diatribe, Crazy.

> * Has it ever crossed
> * your little rodent-like mind that some of them are taking STRONG offence
> * at what you do?
> 
> Some of them should spend more time tending to their own lives and
> families and realize that whatever eB does is none of their fucking
> business. If eB's behavior and relationships do not directly affect you,
> then butt out.

Ah, yes, the old "White racists are those with too much time on their
hands".  Perhaps they are ordinary, everyday people who meet all your
qualifications, but are distressed at seeing the potential miscegenation
promoted by Foot-boy and his ilk.

BTW, where do you get off telling me and other White racists where we
should and shouldn't be concerned?  Just stick to your little selfish view
of the world, and eventually, you MAY understand reality.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:42 PST 1995
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Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :That's pretty funny, Raggedy.  This hypothetical doctor MUST perform the
>   :surgery RIGHT then?  He can't (d) wait, or (e) refer his patient to a
>   :doctor who CAN perform the surgery right away?  In case you're too stupid
>   :to realize it, radical keratotamies are NOT life-and-death procedures. 
>   :While near-sightedness is a pain in the butt, it's hardly life-threatening.
> 
> You didn't specify radial keratotamies. You said "eye surgery."

The only eye surgery that I can think of that's urgent is cataract operations.

> If the
> alternative to surgery is permanent blindness, the worst case scenario of
> botched surgery is permanent blindness, the chances of success are better
> than even, and a scalpel is not available, then surgery with a razor blade
> by a competent physician is a responsible option.

"If, if, if..."  Raggedy, when will you understand that the world is NOT a
big fantasy-land where you can bore everyone to tears with your
Barney-the-dinosaur stories?

BTW, surgery with a razor blade by a COMPETENT physician is not the same
as surgery with a razor blade by an INCOMPETENT physician.

(snip)

>   :> If they aren't getting satisfactory results, they shouldn't be practicing
>   :> medicine. Not in North America, not in India, not anywhere. Especially
>   :> since eye surgery--your example--is elective surgery.
>   :
>   :But they ARE (practicing medicine).  Get a grip.
> 
> 1) Who's "they"?

Doctors in India.  Pay attention, cloth-guy.

> 2) What is their success rate? (something more specific than "abysmal,"
> please)

I'll get the WHO figures, and get back to you.  When they support what I
say, will you then retract everything you said?

> 3) Where did you get this information? > 

I can't recall right now, but I'll get it from some "acceptable" source. 
Will that make you happy?

>   :You know, Raggedy, you should have been a lawyer. 
 
> Thank you.

Trust Raggedy not to know when he's just been insulted.
 
> You would have been more accurate had you said "scientist," "social
> scientist" (not really sciences, but that's the most commonly used term),
> or "journalist." In all of these fields (as properly practiced), evidence
> counts, and what one wants to believe doesn't. I make a lousy zealot,
> however.

No, I said what I meant, and I meant what I said.  You'd have made a great
lawyer.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:42 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Monty Python and liberals!
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Anybody ever see "Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail"?  Pretty
funny movie.  I was watching it over Thanksgiving (that's the weekend
nearest October 11 up here in Canada) at my in-laws.  Anyway, the part
with the Black Knight got me thinking:  King Arthur cuts off his arms and
legs, but the dumb ass refuses to accept that he has had his four limbs
amputated, and wants to keep fighting.  I thought to myself, "My GOD, what
a liberal!"  My in-laws couldn't understand why I was snickering the rest
of the time, even at the unfunny parts.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:43 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Caring for children... (was: The Spectre of McCarthyism)
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lzaird (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Marty Kelley (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU) writes:

(snip)

Moi:
>>>> ... So the question remains:  do you live up to your high ideals?

>>> As best I can, given limited resources--I support Tucson's shelter for 
>>> abused children (Casa de los Ninos), did some volunteer work remodeling 
>>> the children's shelter in Flagstaff,  and have done a lot of free 
>>> babysitting for friends. Moreover, every other month, I donate blood 
>>> specifically for pediatric surgery--my blood happens to lack an antibody 
>>> that most adults' blood has, and so it's in high demand for transfusions 
>>> for infants. I'm nearing my fourth gallon. 
>>> On a more political front, I make regular donations to Amnesty 
>>> International, which fights human rights abuses, Child Labor among them. 

>>And I make regular donations to the National Alliance.  So?
> 
> So why don't you give EVERYTHING to the National Alliance?

Because the National Alliance is not some namby-pamby Christian-puke
organization that preaches self-abasement.
 
Marty:
>>> Have I given everything I have to the poor? No.  But that wasn't 
>>> the question that Evelyn Hill raised--

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:44 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 3rd World "qualifications"
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <46ntpi$mlv@news1.ucsd.edu>, 
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> 
>>Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
>>: Jew doctors seem to concentrate in two areas:  abortion, and cosmetic
>>: surgery (so they can give nose jobs to other jews on the cheap).  
> 
>>Might we have the evidence for this?
> 
> Don't hold your breath - Mr. Griswold isn't long on facts, and
> prefers to make unsubstantiated assertions which cannot be
> supported by them.
> 
> I suspect that he does this in order to demonstrate to the
> lurkers here that National Alliance thinking (oxymoron?) is
> bereft of reason.
> 
> I find it telling that Mr. Griswold will make these foolish
> and hateful statements here on the net, but when contacted by
> the local press, he refuses to answer his telephone, or his
> front door... he just keeps his drapes closed and hides in his
> house until they go away.
> 
> In short, he's so certain that he's full of crap that he is
> too embarrassed to repeat his blatherings to the press here in
> Ottawa - ashamed of himself, I'd say.
> 
> To put it in terms simple enough for even Mr. Griswold to
> comprehend, he's a coward.

Pretty funny, Kenny, you have to resort to this sort of name-calling to
elicit a response.

Coward?  No.  Dislike journalists?  Yep.

I got burned once by the SRC (that's the French CBC for those of you who
don't parlez francais), and I don't look forward to repeating the experience.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:45 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 3rd World "qualifications"
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Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :BWAHAHAHA!!!  Would you care to explain that "essential" difference to
>   :someone who's going to get a radical keratotamy (sp?)?
> 
> Okay, Les. Imagine that you're a doctor in the third world. Medical
> suppplies don't arrive as often as they should. You can (a) perform
> surgery with a sharp, sterile razor blade, (b) perform surgery with a
> used, dull scalpel, or (c) don't perform surgery, and just hope your
> patient's condition doesn't worsen.
>
> Which of those decisions 

That's pretty funny, Raggedy.  This hypothetical doctor MUST perform the
surgery RIGHT then?  He can't (d) wait, or (e) refer his patient to a
doctor who CAN perform the surgery right away?  In case you're too stupid
to realize it, radical keratotamies are NOT life-and-death procedures. 
While near-sightedness is a pain in the butt, it's hardly life-threatening.

(snip)

>   :> 2) How successful are these eye operations?
>   :
>   :They're abysmal.
> 
> And you just KNOW this, right? It came to you in a dream?

You asked, I told you.  Are we to assume that the norm is that they have a
stunningly high rate of success?

>   :> If Indian doctors, with
>   :> inferior equipment, are getting comparable results to Western physicians
>   :> with superior equipment, I think that speaks well of their skill and
>   :> training.
> 
>   :And if they aren't...?
> 
> If they aren't getting satisfactory results, they shouldn't be practicing
> medicine. Not in North America, not in India, not anywhere. Especially
> since eye surgery--your example--is elective surgery.

But they ARE (practicing medicine).  Get a grip.
 
>   :> 3) Do you have any documentation of "eye surgery with razor blades," or
>   :> are you spreading yet another urban legend that helps (or at least you
>   :> think so) your cause?
>   :
>   :Raggedy's paradigm:  if it's BAD, and it's about the White race, it's
>   :probably true.  If it's bad and it's about NON-WHITES, then it's an
>   :"urban legend".
> 
> If it's a story with no evidence to support it that spreads in the
> traditional  manner, it's an urban legend. If it's proven, it's a fact.
> 
> This is elementary shit, Les. What grade did you drop out of, anyway?

You know, Raggedy, you should have been a lawyer.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:46 PST 1995
Article: 7805 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Talkin' to the jewsmedia!
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Kenny McOyVay is making a big schtink about my unwillingness to talk to
the media.  I thought that I would clarify for those of you confused by it
all.

One of the conditions of membership in the NA is that members _never_
speak to the media, unless it has first been approved by the Head Office. 
This is public information, right in the _Membership Handbook_, so I don't
know why Kenny is ignorant about it.  Maybe he knows, but is just
*pretending* that he doesn't.

The last time that the media called was April 20-21, right after the OKC
bombing.  They wanted an "interview" (yeah, right!) which they could use
to justify their paranoia.  I offered them the Head Office number.  They
refused, got all pouty, and told me that they had a deadline (like I was
supposed to CARE?)  I remained firm, told them that they could have the
Head Office number, or nothing.  They chose nothing.  As a side note, the
media sure as hell did NOT try to contact me about "hate on the InterNet",
or to face off with Mr. McOyVay, on television, or anywhere else.

Actually, I hope that Kenny keeps repeating his, um, "misunderstandings". 
He's helping us grow more than he realizes (gee, it almost makes me think
that he's *really* on our side, and is trying to discredit the liberal
position).  His Nizkor project has encouraged _at least_ one person to
subscribe to the Aryan News Agency, and there's no telling how many people
his speaking tour will send our way!

Gee, with enemies like Kenny, who needs friends?

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:47 PST 1995
Article: 7819 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Logical dislike of race-traitors...
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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  Evil Beavis is starting to ask WHY people dislike race-traitors, and I can
>>  see other libs also asking that.  So, to forestall some of the dumber
>>  questions and personal testimonials ala Crazy Jeannie("I'm married to/shacked up
>>  with a negress, and my family thinks it's just WONDERFUL!!!"), I'd like to
>>  address it:
>>  
>>  Dislike of whites who cross the colour line may not be logical, but it
>>  happens nonetheless.  Why, for example, eB, do you think SO MANY people
>>  stare when they see you with your dusky Dulcinea?  Has it ever crossed
>>  your little rodent-like mind that some of them are taking STRONG offence
>>  at what you do?
> 
> First of all, you are the LAST person able to decide who is a "traitor" or not. 

Really?  So who's the first?  You?

> Secondly, do you seriously not think more people are offended by racists like 
> yourself.

No, I don't.

> I imagine that the only person today who would want Mark Fuhrman as a 
> neighbor would be you! By the way, what is "Dulcinea" (never heard the name) 
> suppose to signify? Is your dad's name Dudley-do-right?? You're really sad
> - besides,  who really gives a shit what you think, your views will NEVER be
> accepted...

Wanna bet?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:48 PST 1995
Article: 7822 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 3rd World "qualifications"
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Big cloth-lawyer guy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:

(snip)

>   :>   :You know, Raggedy, you should have been a lawyer. 
>   : 
>   :> Thank you.
>   :
>   :Trust Raggedy not to know when he's just been insulted.
> 
> I knew that you intended it as an insult. I didn't take it as one.
> 
> Very loosely, the three branches of a democratic government correspond to
> the three types of rule--rule by persuasion and emotion (the legislative),
> rule by force (the executive), and rule by reason (the courts). I consider
> the law to be not only an honorable profession--despite the dishonorable
> conduct of many in it--but absolutely essential to a civilized nation.

*sigh*  Socrates argued that democracy was one of the worst forms of
government around, being better only than tyranny.  Seeing the
proliferation of retards and rejects, I agree with him.
 
> You, apparently feel otherwise, and would gladly institute the death
> penalty for "crimes against the Aryan race," which you cannot even define.
> "I'll know it when I see it" is a fine standard for matters of personal
> taste, but it's a shitty basis for a system of justice.

I can too define the Aryan race.  It's only quibblers like you who assume
that, once defined, we can't be flexible.  Sorry, we can.

>   :No, I said what I meant, and I meant what I said.  You'd have made a great
>   :lawyer.
> 
> I may yet, Les. And if anyone tries to silence you in the U.S. (I have no
> intention to study Canadian law), you know whom to call.

Thanks, but I'd rather take my chances with the remorras over at the ACLU
(or the CLCU).

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Andy doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground (was: WP types don't understand immigration)
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Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :> And this is remotely relevant because...? Or do you just relish the excuse
>   :> to call someone a "fag"?
>   :
>   :It's "remotely relevant" because I've never heard of someone using their
>   :FAGGOTRY as an excuse for refugee status before.  Likely, neither have you.
> 
> It is not relevant to the original assertion that a significant source of
> the spread of AIDS is African immigration. And this particular man may
> have been the first to explicitly claim homosexuality as a reason to claim
> asylum, but I'm sure that he wasn't the first to be so motivated--gays
> were brutally repressed in the old Soviet Bloc, and during the cold war it
> was common to accept any refugee from a communist nation with few
> questions asked.

Gee, and here we thought the Soviets were ALL bad.  If they didn't like
fags, they must have had SOMETHING going for them.

>   :> The son of a bitch chould be executed. So should the white guy who was
>   :> arrested for the same thing in the U.S. a couple of years ago. Relevance?
>   :
>   :Unfortunately, he's dead.
> 
> Unfortunately? You should be glad that the Canadian taxpayers were spared
> the expense of a trial. And had he been convicted in Canada, he'd still be
> in prison--y'all don't have the death penalty, do you?
> 
>   :And the women he infected (dumb for sleeping with a negro in the first
> place) 
>   :are getting screwed again in court.
> 
> I'm not familiar with this case. Please enlighten me.

Charles Senyonga was the happy-go-lucky negro who decided to screw some
thick-as-a-post white women, and then died of AIDS.  Now, the stupid cows
have HIV, but can't get ANY sort of recompense from Senyonga's estate
(whether it's because he was destitute, or some legal complication that's
getting in the way, I'm not sure.)
> 
>   :> 70 two years ago (minus the one who stood trial) averages to 35 per year.
>   :> Sounds like a valid sample to me. Anecdotes are of severlely limited value
>   :> as evidence.
>   :
>   :Tell your interesting theory on averages to the Canadian taxpayers who had
>   :to pay for these mooches and cheats.
> 
> Sure. I'll tell them that these individuals should be caught, given a fair
> trial, and jailed or deported,and that these 70 cases are not necessarily
> representative of the thousands of cases of welfare fraud, let alone of
> the hundreds of thousands of welfare recipients. Even sticking to the
> traditional definition of welfare, and leaving out such features as
> national health care and subsidized internet access.

Maybe these 70 cases ARE representative of welfare fraud.  In any event,
we're talking about considerably more than renting two apartments to
collect two welfare cheques - in 1991, there were Somalis involved in a
welfare scam that netted AT LEAST three million dollars for their clans
back in Somalia (yes, they were sending ALL of the money back home to
finance their faction).
 
Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:49 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Black pride?  Where?
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Rob Carscadden (carscadd@pps.duke.edu) writes:
>>>bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>>>This really cracks me up.  WHAT, EXACTLY, do negroes have to be proud of? 
> 
> Coming in late as usual, been busy working,but here's my 2 pennies worth.
> 
> The question is, as stated by hier Griswold:
> WHAT, EXACTLY, do negroes have to be proud of? 
> 
> 1) Overcoming years of slavery to acheive finicial and professional 
> rewards.

There is not a SINGLE negro alive today (in America) who had to overcome
slavery.  The negroes had their progress handed to them on a silver plate,
relatively speaking.  If the Whites in the Northern States hadn't freed
them by FORCE, they'd STILL be picking cotton in the fields, saying
"yassuh, massuh!" and not even DREAMING of anything more than bare existance.

> Go to any finicial district and you will see as many black men 
> in suits as whites, asians, etc. (not meaning to leave any one out). 
> Black men who are doctors, lawyers, finicial wizards, salesmen, etc. the 
> list goes on. These men achieve great things and probably more money than 
> the WP people on this group will every see. 

Holy fuck.  Affirmative Action.
 
> Now I know we are going to hear look at the ghettos and slums and housing 
> projects blah, blah blah blah. But I can reply right back, look at any 
> trailer park, is that a fair representation of the white pop. No. And the 
> slums are not a fair representation of the black pop.

And there are just SO MANY trailer parks, aren't there?
 
> 2) Demographics sho wthat the largest expand group in the US is the Black 
> middle class. Not bad for have to suffer years of racial discrimation, 
> and still facing it today. On a sad note, which I take absolutely no 
> pleasure in mentioning, more and more white are slipping down the 
> economic ladder into poverty. Of course these info comes from the Jewish 
> (rolling of the eyes) controlled gov't and finicial circles so you most 
> likely will discard it. Besides it doesn't sit with your vision of 
> reality so it must be wrong.

Nope.  But we DO hold the jews responsible for the economic woes of the
White race.
 
> 3) Sunday afternoon as you sit on your ass and drink beer watching the 
> games on TV,

We do?

> look who the best players are.

*sigh*   And how many football stars would there be if the White man
hadn't invented the game for those stupid niggers in the first place?

> (Okay so some poles slipped 
> in but we know that the poles aren't white, sorry Rob K. but the poles 
> don't make the cut according to this ng) Every field where the blacks 
> compete they excel.

Wrong.  Negroes excel in CERTAIN endeavours, that take advantage of their
physionomy.  Same for Whites, asians, other races.

> After the Civil war, during reconstruction, the 
> winners of the Kentucky Derby were repeatedly black, so to fix this they 
> were barred form riding. Yep, that's affirmative action in work, if we 
> whites can not compete, let's ban the competition.

Uh, the HORSES win the races, not the riders, fuck-head.
 
> Over all, I think the black pop. of the US has a lot to be proud of.

Such as...?
 
(Jesse Jackson apparently made these suggestions at the MMM)

> - Register to vote and vote
> - Go to Church
> - Go meet your children's teacher

How about they go find out who their children are first?

> - Be involved in raising you children, sign the report card etc.
> - Be involved in your community, you're responsible for stopping drug 
> trafficing etc. in your own neighborhood.
> 
> So how this advice cuts across racial boundaries. He doesn't try to 
> demonize the white man, he says succeed in spite of racial inequality. 
> Why can't the WP movement preach the same message. Take Jackson's advice 
> to heart.

Because Jackson is a liar and an agitator (remember the "Hymietown"
crack?) who bragged of spitting in White peoples' food when he worked as a
waiter.  Uppity nigger.

Les
 


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battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:50 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Les Griswold, The Greatest Writer On the Usenet!!!
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Racial Theorist (xyz@scsn.net) writes:
> folks:
> 
> 	whether you agree or disagree with les' politics--and for me he's a
> little more hard line on the jew question than i am--but whether you
> agree or disagree with his politics, you gotta admit he's the greatest
> writer on the usenet.

Thank you, R.C., but I can't take all the credit.  See, if the libs
weren't such a-holes, giving me opportunities to slam-dunk their
stupidity on a regular basis, I dunno if what I'd do.
 
> 	i know the liberals won't admit to it, but i just wish there was one
> lib on the ng who could write one-tenth as well as les.

Crazy Jeannie will think that means that she should write ten times as
much as we do.

Les


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"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Les Griswold, The Greatest Writer On the Usenet!!!
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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   xyz@scsn.net (Racial Theorist) writes:
>>  folks:
>>  
>>  	whether you agree or disagree with les' politics--and for me he's a
>>  little more hard line on the jew question than i am--but whether you
>>  agree or disagree with his politics, you gotta admit he's the greatest
>>  writer on the usenet.
>>  
>>  	i know the liberals won't admit to it, but i just wish there was one
>>  lib on the ng who could write one-tenth as well as les.
> 
> Are you still in Junior High?! You obviously don't read much if Les' rantings 
> are your example of great literary skills... Well, I guess you'd consider Mein 
> Kampf a literary masterpiece too!

Re-read his message, Foot-boy.  He's talking about me compared to the
typical lib (I like to think that losers like you are typical libs).  He's
stating that he wishes that even ONE lib could write as well as I do. 
Your offering just re-confirms his statement.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:52 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jew Rosenboig, one of many jews on the Usenet!!!
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Racial Theorist (xyz@scsn.net) writes:
> joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
> 
>>In article <46qo12$huq@daryl.scsn.net> xyz@scsn.net (Racial Theorist) writes:
> 
>>>        i know the liberals won't admit to it, but i just wish there was one
>>>lib on the ng who could write one-tenth as well as les.
> 
>>You've got a point, and I can understand why you'd wish that:  most 
>>write rather a lot better than the Leshole.  
> 
> joel:
> 
> 	i don't believe you've written one memorable line the whole time i've
> known you--other than that tired old line you use every week about
> where you say the favorite words of us wp people are:  "would you like
> fries with that?"

And how he goes on and on and ON about bestiality, don't forget that.

> 	let's face it, joel, you couldn't write your way out of a wet paper
> bag, and neither can most these libs around here.  sure, raggedy
> writes a funny line once a month, but that's about it.  and not only
> are you not funny, you don't make sense either.  

My friend once said that Jew Rosenboig wasn't good enough to kiss a pig's
ass, but I stuck up for him -- I said he was.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:52 PST 1995
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Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (ShameLes Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Modern-day African societies are matrilineal because the father usually
>>buggers off after finding out that his woman is pregnant!
> 
> You're full of shit. I won't even try to argue that bullshit. "Modern 
> day"? We've been matrilinear since the beginning of times.

You've also been pathetic Stone Age savages since the beginning of times,
only progressing to anything recognizable as civilized when the White man
discovered you and taught you that there was a better way.

Les


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battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:53 PST 1995
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Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>How much would you pathetic pithecines have developed on your own? 
>>Judging by the astonishing savagery in Africa in the Middle Ages, not a
>>blessed thing.
>> 
> You fucking idiot. European Middle Ages also known as the Dark Ages? 
> You must be kidding, right?

Typical nationalist negro:  take Europe at its WORST, and compare it with
fairy tales about "Great African Civilizations" (tm).  Listen, boy, I'd
rather live in Europe of the Dark Ages, than Africa at ANY time.

> Bad choice of period you cave-roaming 
> cannibal! While you red beasts were killing one another by the 100 of 
> thousands, dying from the plague, decapitating your kings, getting the 
> shit kicked outta ya by the Mongol invasions in the East, Africa had 
> stable empires as Ghana and Mali.

The difference, assuming that your fantasies about "stable empires" is
more than negrophillia, is that Europe ROSE, while Africa DEGENERATED. 
One could be really accurate and say that Europe rose WITHOUT negroes, while
Africa plunged into savagery WITH them around.

> This is documented by your own fellow 
> white  historians and comtemporary arab travelers, so check your facts 
> before coming with such extravagant bullshit.Unless of course it is 
> "guilty arab travelers" right? You lying piece of scum shower.

Abdrool, this is starting to get tiresome.  I'd like to know how many of
these books you've actually read, and how many you've just peeked at the
front page where all the quotes from the rave-reviews are.
 
(snip)

>>This, coming from a guy who's race NEVER invented a written language of
>>their own, and had to rely on the Europeans to introduce literacy to them.
> 
> This coming from a vile red beast whose race ALWAYS brought mayhem to the
> four corners of the world.

And civilization, boy.  Don't forget that.  Without us, you'd still be
swinging from trees, trying not to be the main course at supper.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:54 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Black pride?  Where?
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Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>   :And there are just SO MANY trailer parks, aren't there?
> 
> As many as there are inner-city slums, if not more so. 

1)  Trailer parks aren't deadly dangerous at night.

2)  By and large, people in trailer parks OWN their own homes.

(snip)

>   :> look who the best players are.

Doug Flutie, of the Saskatchewan Roughriders, MVP of the CFL four years
running.  White guy.

>   :sigh*   And how many football stars would there be if the White man
>   :hadn't invented the game for those stupid niggers in the first place?
> 
> There would be none, white or black. And we'd be watching Carl Lewis mop
> up the floor with lame-assed caucasian also-rans.
> 
> Two words: Jesse Owens.
> 
> Or are you going to argue that whites invented running?

Nope.  But what does it prove?  Hitler maintained that negroes were
excellent in CERTAIN TYPES of physical competition.  What does Jesse Owens
prove?  That niggers can run real fast over the short haul.  How many
long-distance runners do the black nations of Africa produce?

>   :Uh, the HORSES win the races, not the riders, fuck-head. > 

> So skilled riders are irrelevant? That'll be news to the trainers who pay
> big bucks for top jockeys.

I never said that skilled riders are IRRELEVANT, Raggedy, but you could put
a sack of potatoes on a race-horse, and he'd STILL be fast.

Les


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Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :*sigh*  Socrates argued that democracy was one of the worst forms of
>   :government around, being better only than tyranny.  Seeing the
>   :proliferation of retards and rejects, I agree with him.
> 
> Winston Churchill said that democracy was the worst form of government,
> except for all the others. Seeing the stellar record of monarchs and
> despots in this century, I agree with him.

Why am I NOT surprised that YOU find the musings of a fat alcoholic to be
divinely-inspired?

Les

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Subject: Evil Beavis and trailer parks (was: Black pride?  Where?)
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Foot-boy evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip)

>>  > Now I know we are going to hear look at the ghettos and slums and housing 
>>  > projects blah, blah blah blah. But I can reply right back, look at any 
>>  > trailer park, is that a fair representation of the white pop. No. And the 
>>  > slums are not a fair representation of the black pop.
>>  
>>  And there are just SO MANY trailer parks, aren't there?
> 
> Yes there are Les. Basically the whole damn state of Florida for instance!

"The whole damn state of Florida", Foot-boy, is filled with jews, Cubans
and Haitians.  You might want to re-think your statement, in light of this
fact.

Les

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 (George@postoffice.ptd.net) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA 
> (Les Griswold) says:

(snip)

>>> ... Every field where the blacks compete they excel.
>>
>>Wrong.  Negroes excel in CERTAIN endeavours, that take advantage of 
>>their physionomy.  Same for Whites, asians, other races.
> 
> 	In light of the FACT, that black men are physically superior 
> (NFL, NBA), why is it so inconceivable..that white men..may be better at 
> say.....Military tactics or designing jet propulsion systems?

Don't buy this crap.  Blacks are better at a FEW sports events.  For
example, their thicker skulls, longer arms, and heavier rib cages give
them an advantage in boxing, but they have shitty balance, which is why
they ALWAYS get their asses whomped in kickboxing.  The distribution of
fat on their bodies makes them piss-poor swimmers.  Their legs give them a
distinct DISadvantage in long-distance running, a decided ADVANTAGE in
short-distance sprinting.  Over all, negroes can barely break even with
the White race PHYSICALLY, and they're hopelessly behind when it comes to
mental competition.

Les


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 (Rick Jones) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip)

>>  Nope.  But we DO hold the jews responsible for the economic woes of the
>>  White race.
> 
> Which is about as reasonable as holding Martians responsible for the
> lousy year the Blue Jays had, and I do not happen to believe in Martians.
> The only people who would blame Jews for such a thing are people too
> pathetic to admit their own shortcomings.

So you don't believe in jews?  Great.

(snip)
 
>>  Uh, the HORSES win the races, not the riders, fuck-head.
> 
> So I am to presume that you could successfully jockey a horse
> to victory in the Kentucky Derby.  Let's see you do it, fuck-head.

Nope.  I never said that the rider was UNIMPORTANT, but I WAS saying that
the HORSE is MORE important.  Who's liklier to win, a pro jockey on a nag,
or a thoroughbred racing horse with a sack of potatoes on his back?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:58 PST 1995
Article: 7970 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Khalil IS an asshole (was: Less speaks from his asshole again...)
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Kwesi Ako Kennedy (kakenned@unity.ncsu.edu) writes:
> Less is never more.
> Less is always and ever will be....less (as in very little).
> With this said, Less, I wil deliver you from the sin of ignorance(ignorance is
> a sin in the context that you weild it)  by schooling you some more on the
> accomplishments of Ancient Africans.  Keep your eyes open on a ittle paragraph
> on the Moors.
> 
> See Ya!
> Kwesi Ako Kennedy

And I thought that *I* posted to a lot of groups!  Alt.SMOKERS?!?  I cut
that one out, BTW.  Get a grip, guy.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:54:59 PST 1995
Article: 7971 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Joke from down under!
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Teri (nclearwntr@nclearwntr.seanet.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Got some snail-mail from McKinstry yesterday, there was a REALLY funny
>>joke there, I thought I'd share with you guys:
>>
>>Q:  What does a Maori get after sex?
>>A:  Twelve years.
>>
>>He also told me that the "good luck" charm that is flogged on stupid
>>whites, the Tiki, is actually the representation of an aborted fetus, and
>>that Maori spiritual ties to the land are rooted in cannibalism.
>>
>>Speaking of aborted fetuses and cannibalism, there's a story in this
>>month's C-FAR Newsletter about Chinese doctors eating aborted fetuses for
>>their "medicinal" purposes.  Pretty harrowing reading.
> 
> Remind me not to read the ngs right after breakfast... :(

Sorry.  Yes, multi"culturalism" sure is bringing some wonderful ideas to
Canada (and soon, it'll be bringing them to the U.S.!)  Last year, in the
C-FAR Newsletter, there was an article on R.C.M.P. horses getting their
tails clipped by orientals who used 'em as aphrodisiacs.  Pretty funny,
actually, but I feel sorry for the horses.  And of course, it's old news
about orientals kidnapping and cooking pets for din-din.

> How's McKinstry doing, anyway?

Pretty good.  He says he misses the 'Net, what with all of its idiots. 
Oh, by the way, that reminds me:  he sends a big "hi" to Jeff Han.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:55:00 PST 1995
Article: 8003 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Caring for children... (was: The Spectre of McCarthyism)
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Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :lzaird (lzaird@io.org) writes:
>   :> So why don't you give EVERYTHING to the National Alliance?
>   :
>   :Because the National Alliance is not some namby-pamby Christian-puke
>   :organization that preaches self-abasement.
> 
> I have an easier question:
> 
> Do you give more (cash, not time, effort, or "will") to the National
> Alliance than you get from it (or its donors, etc.)?

Yep.  Your point?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:55:00 PST 1995
Article: 8010 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: But at least I won't get AIDS (was: Poor Les, he'll be fried..)
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Mr Richard Ethan Latker (pristine@news.hk.super.net) writes:
> How ironic that Les..and many of his "white bretheren" are unlikely to
> survive the ravages of skin cancer and other UV-induced diseases in the
> next century, as the great technological advances of the white race are
> obliterating the ozone layer. According to a Scandanavian study, skin cancer 
> rates are likely to increase by the following percentages by 2020:
> 
> Australia	1800%
> New Zealand	1340%
> Finland	1275%
> Norway	1250%
> CANADA	800%
> United States	575%
> Argentina	200%
> Zimbabwe	15%
> 
> Probably better to have a little color in your family tree these days...

Gee, that's really fascinating.  Wanna put up the predicted increase in
HIV/AIDS per country?  Didn't think so.

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:55:01 PST 1995
Article: 8046 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Geez, Sylvia, how ORIGINAL! (was: CLOC's New WWW Address)
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 (sylvia@monitor.net) writes:
>> > 3:  Too many hours spent watching snuff films has left their minds unable
>> > to connect to anything that doesn't have orgasm and hate involved.
>> 
>> Gee, Sylvia, that's just SO original, especially the part where you lead
>> off by saying that we have nothing "original" to say.  Get the idea from R.T.?
>> 
>> BTW, I removed "alt.fan.barry-manilow" and "alt.fan.john-denver" from the
>> NG line. 
>  
>    Oh dear, did I bore you ducky?  Forgive me if I am wallowing beneath
> you in the pig shit of unoriginality.  Sniff, sniff.  Your strange slam
> about John Denver and Barry Manilow is a much more original form of
> attack.  One I haven't heard since grade school.  You're resurecting it I
> assume?

Excuse me?  How did I "slam" John Denver and Barry Manilow?  By removing
their fan NGs from the NG line?

> But of course nothing is truly original (as everybody says) so I
> will slink off with my head between someone elses legs and enjoy my
> afternoon. You, I assume, will just beat it.

Now THAT'S clever.  Hell, you advertise your sluttiness, and call me a
masturbator, all in one paragraph!

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 17:55:02 PST 1995
Article: 8047 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Evil Beavis and trailer parks (was: Black pride?  Where?)
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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip)

>>  >>  And there are just SO MANY trailer parks, aren't there?
>>  > 
>>  > Yes there are Les. Basically the whole damn state of Florida for instance!
>>  
>>  "The whole damn state of Florida", Foot-boy, is filled with jews, Cubans
>>  and Haitians.  You might want to re-think your statement, in light of this
>>  fact.
> 
> And lot's of Canadian retirees too Les!

And your point is...?  Look, Foot-boy, how do retirees suddenly become
representative of the general population?

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 30 18:01:49 PST 1995
Article: 5750 of alt.skinheads
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Email Flame from Richie Collins.
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Anarchist (anarchist@fantasy.brainerd.mn.us) writes:
> -> The settlers in Australia were hand-picked by the finest individuals
> -> in the English judicial system, pally.
> 
> How do you explain James Nguyen then?

Sorry, I should have been clearer.  I meant to say that the ORIGINAL
settlers in Australia were hand-picked, etc.  I wasn't refering to the
Chinky-come-latelys that that beautiful land has been flooded with of late.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct 31 09:08:40 PST 1995
Article: 5938 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 3rd World "qualifications"
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
>   :> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>   :> (Les Griswold) wrote:
>   :> 
>   :>   :*sigh*  Socrates argued that democracy was one of the worst forms of
>   :>   :government around, being better only than tyranny.  Seeing the
>   :>   :proliferation of retards and rejects, I agree with him.
>   :> 
>   :> Winston Churchill said that democracy was the worst form of government,
>   :> except for all the others. Seeing the stellar record of monarchs and
>   :> despots in this century, I agree with him.
>   :
>   :Why am I NOT surprised that YOU find the musings of a fat alcoholic to be
>   :divinely-inspired?
> 
> Why am I not surprised that you find the musings of a fat sodomite to be
> divinely inspired?

Proof, please, that Socrates was a) fat, and b) a sodomite.

Which reminds me of a funny story I once heard concerning Churchill,
Roosevelt, and the Yalta conference.  Seems that R. went up to C.'s room
one night, and entered without knocking.  C. was standing there, naked as
a jay.  Trying to recover the situation, he muttered, "As you can see, Mr.
President, I have nothing to hide."  I've read in one source that there
was a naked boy on the bed, but I don't know how accurate this is.  Of
course, we KNOW that important world leaders wouldn't, COULDN'T, be sexual
perverts, right?  (well, except for Hitler)

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct 31 09:08:41 PST 1995
Article: 5939 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Black pride?  Where?
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Brian & Lori Henderson (BHendrsn@kirk.microsys.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Brian & Lori "Ostrich" Henderson (BHendrsn@kirk.microsys.net) writes:
> 	            ^^^^^
> Oh, Les, what an absolutely mature move.  You know, some of us
> actually graduated from college and want to have intelligent
> discussions.

Still waiting for you to start.  Of course, you realize the paradox of
stating that you want "intelligent discussions", and adhereing to the PC
line, don't you?

> Too bad you're still in that trailer park screwing your relatives with less
> than a fifth grade education.

... or the paradox of insulting people, but stating that one wants
"intelligent discussion".
 
>>Coming from someone who's a self-admitted "Babylon 5" fan.  Do you
>>realize, Brian, that the insignia they wear are stylized Stars of David? 
>>Oh, well, keep on hiding your head in the sand.
> 
> Do I look like I care?  Considering the creator of the show, J.
> Michael Straczynski, is an acknowledged atheist, I don't think he's
> part of your Jewish conspiracy.
> 
> What an idiot.

Pot-kettle-black.  It really takes monumental stupidity to believe the
myth of "atheist" jews.

Les
 


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct 31 09:08:42 PST 1995
Article: 5940 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Monty Python and liberals!
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 (Stacia) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>Anybody ever see "Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail"?  Pretty
>>funny movie.  I was watching it over Thanksgiving (that's the weekend
>>nearest October 11 up here in Canada) at my in-laws.  
> 
>   Ok, this is the strongest evidence I've seen that Les really DOES have 
> a wife, 'cause he wouldn't rent a Monty Python video himself, and I doubt 
> he's got any friends that would.  MP is white, but not Aryan, you know.  
> Who else but in-laws would watch the movie AND let Les stick around?
> 
>>Anyway, the part
>>with the Black Knight got me thinking:  King Arthur cuts off his arms and
>>legs, but the dumb ass refuses to accept that he has had his four limbs
>>amputated, and wants to keep fighting.  I thought to myself, "My GOD, what
>>a liberal!"  
> 
>   Hmm.  Les = King Arthur.  Liberals = Black Knight.  I don't suppose 
> you'd want to elaborate on that analogy, would ya?  What, exactly, are 
> the four irrefutable things you've pointed out to liberals?  What is it 
> that has us defeated?  You?!

This is the best part:  I don't have to do any of the intellectual
leg-work - you guys do it all for me!  Really, Stacia, just when it seems
like I may have over-reached myself when making a claim about liberal
stupidity, *poof*, along comes one of you retards to prove me right!

>   Come to think of it, that is pretty funny, Les thinking he's proved his 
> point to that extent.  Not as funny as the movie, though.
> 
>>My in-laws couldn't understand why I was snickering the rest
>>of the time, even at the unfunny parts.
> 
>   While I understand there are only a few of the kinds of jokes you would 
> understand (i.e. tossing a cat against a wall, cows falling from the sky, 
> etc.), I do have to point this out, as others have done -- there are no 
> unfunny parts of the movie, Les. 
>   Newsgroups trimmed (nasty WP habit there, crossposting all over the 
> bloody earth).

Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct 31 09:09:24 PST 1995
Article: 8106 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 3rd World "qualifications"
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
>   :> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>   :> (Les Griswold) wrote:
>   :> 
>   :>   :*sigh*  Socrates argued that democracy was one of the worst forms of
>   :>   :government around, being better only than tyranny.  Seeing the
>   :>   :proliferation of retards and rejects, I agree with him.
>   :> 
>   :> Winston Churchill said that democracy was the worst form of government,
>   :> except for all the others. Seeing the stellar record of monarchs and
>   :> despots in this century, I agree with him.
>   :
>   :Why am I NOT surprised that YOU find the musings of a fat alcoholic to be
>   :divinely-inspired?
> 
> Why am I not surprised that you find the musings of a fat sodomite to be
> divinely inspired?

Proof, please, that Socrates was a) fat, and b) a sodomite.

Which reminds me of a funny story I once heard concerning Churchill,
Roosevelt, and the Yalta conference.  Seems that R. went up to C.'s room
one night, and entered without knocking.  C. was standing there, naked as
a jay.  Trying to recover the situation, he muttered, "As you can see, Mr.
President, I have nothing to hide."  I've read in one source that there
was a naked boy on the bed, but I don't know how accurate this is.  Of
course, we KNOW that important world leaders wouldn't, COULDN'T, be sexual
perverts, right?  (well, except for Hitler)

Les


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"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct 31 09:09:25 PST 1995
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Brian & Lori Henderson (BHendrsn@kirk.microsys.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Brian & Lori "Ostrich" Henderson (BHendrsn@kirk.microsys.net) writes:
> 	            ^^^^^
> Oh, Les, what an absolutely mature move.  You know, some of us
> actually graduated from college and want to have intelligent
> discussions.

Still waiting for you to start.  Of course, you realize the paradox of
stating that you want "intelligent discussions", and adhereing to the PC
line, don't you?

> Too bad you're still in that trailer park screwing your relatives with less
> than a fifth grade education.

... or the paradox of insulting people, but stating that one wants
"intelligent discussion".
 
>>Coming from someone who's a self-admitted "Babylon 5" fan.  Do you
>>realize, Brian, that the insignia they wear are stylized Stars of David? 
>>Oh, well, keep on hiding your head in the sand.
> 
> Do I look like I care?  Considering the creator of the show, J.
> Michael Straczynski, is an acknowledged atheist, I don't think he's
> part of your Jewish conspiracy.
> 
> What an idiot.

Pot-kettle-black.  It really takes monumental stupidity to believe the
myth of "atheist" jews.

Les
 


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"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Monty Python and liberals!
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 (Stacia) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>Anybody ever see "Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail"?  Pretty
>>funny movie.  I was watching it over Thanksgiving (that's the weekend
>>nearest October 11 up here in Canada) at my in-laws.  
> 
>   Ok, this is the strongest evidence I've seen that Les really DOES have 
> a wife, 'cause he wouldn't rent a Monty Python video himself, and I doubt 
> he's got any friends that would.  MP is white, but not Aryan, you know.  
> Who else but in-laws would watch the movie AND let Les stick around?
> 
>>Anyway, the part
>>with the Black Knight got me thinking:  King Arthur cuts off his arms and
>>legs, but the dumb ass refuses to accept that he has had his four limbs
>>amputated, and wants to keep fighting.  I thought to myself, "My GOD, what
>>a liberal!"  
> 
>   Hmm.  Les = King Arthur.  Liberals = Black Knight.  I don't suppose 
> you'd want to elaborate on that analogy, would ya?  What, exactly, are 
> the four irrefutable things you've pointed out to liberals?  What is it 
> that has us defeated?  You?!

This is the best part:  I don't have to do any of the intellectual
leg-work - you guys do it all for me!  Really, Stacia, just when it seems
like I may have over-reached myself when making a claim about liberal
stupidity, *poof*, along comes one of you retards to prove me right!

>   Come to think of it, that is pretty funny, Les thinking he's proved his 
> point to that extent.  Not as funny as the movie, though.
> 
>>My in-laws couldn't understand why I was snickering the rest
>>of the time, even at the unfunny parts.
> 
>   While I understand there are only a few of the kinds of jokes you would 
> understand (i.e. tossing a cat against a wall, cows falling from the sky, 
> etc.), I do have to point this out, as others have done -- there are no 
> unfunny parts of the movie, Les. 
>   Newsgroups trimmed (nasty WP habit there, crossposting all over the 
> bloody earth).

Les


--
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battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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Brian O'Sullivan (bosul@zeus.towson.edu) writes:
> On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Les Griswold wrote:
>> Andy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:

(snip)

>> >   :> look who the best players are.
>> 
>> Doug Flutie, of the Saskatchewan Roughriders, MVP of the CFL four years
>> running.  White guy.
> 
> You're not seriously arguing that Doug Flutie is the best football player 
> in the world, are you?  I mean, I like Flutie and all--I've even seen Sask. 
> play here in Baltimore (sorry about ruining your football league)--but no 
> one would really claim that the CFL is nearly as skilled as the NFL . . . 
> it's cute, it's fun, but it sure as hell doesn't match up . . . 

If you don't like it, take it up with the CFL.
 
>> >   :sigh*   And how many football stars would there be if the White man
>> >   :hadn't invented the game for those stupid niggers in the first place?
>> > 
>> > There would be none, white or black. And we'd be watching Carl Lewis mop
>> > up the floor with lame-assed caucasian also-rans.
>> > 
>> > Two words: Jesse Owens.
>> > 
>> > Or are you going to argue that whites invented running?
>> 
>> Nope.  But what does it prove?  Hitler maintained that negroes were
>> excellent in CERTAIN TYPES of physical competition.  What does Jesse Owens
>> prove?  That niggers can run real fast over the short haul.  How many
>> long-distance runners do the black nations of Africa produce?
> 
> What's long distance?  Does the mile count?  5k?  10k?  None of those 
> records are held by white guys . . . and this "Hitler" guy--is he some 
> kind of physiological expert? ;^p

Obviously, this "Hitler" guy knew more about physiology than you do.

Les



--
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battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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Subject: FOUR TRUTHS THAT NO LIBERAL HAS REFUTED
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1)  That there is such a thing as race.

2)  That the negro race is SIGNIFICANTLY less intelligent that the White race.

3)  That jews are involved in the control of our society FAR OUT OF
PROPORTION to their representation in the general population (I won't get
into their undesirability)

4)  That racial separation is the _only_ way to preserve the races (on this
one, the liberal position is being disproven daily, as we see the rampant
non-white on White crime rate, which is, for all intents and purposes, an
undeclared war.)

Notice that I said "refuted" above.  Whining and name-calling do not
constitute refutation.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Oct 31 11:21:57 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Black pride?  Where?
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Bruce Smith (starcons@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

> You want evidence?  Read "The Human Zoo" by Desmond Morris, where he
> quotes a 14th century traveler from the Netherlands, describing the
> city of Benin.  The traveler compares it to Amsterdam.

But 14th century Amsterdam, according to Abdrool Kama, was full of Whites
who slept with their sheep for warmth.

> Read "the History and Folklore of the Spanish People," and read about
> how the Moors conquered Spain and preserved the ancient world's
> knowledge while Europe was wallowing in the dark ages.

Yet again:  Europe progressed OUT of the Dark Ages, while the "Moors" and
other non-whites have SLIPPED INTO "Dark Ages" of their own.
 
> Read the Time-Life Book "Ancient Egypt," which contains a drawing by
> Napoleon's sketch artist, Dominique Vivant-Denon, circa 1798.  The
> drawing shows Napoleon's archeologists standing atop the head of the
> Sphinx, complete with African facial features.
>
> Read Herodotus "The History," where Herodotus describes an incident in
> which he encountered travelers from Colchis, and thought they were
> Egyptian "because they had black skin and woolly hair."
> 
> Read "Blacks in Science" by Hattie Carwell, and find out about George
> Washington Carver, Granville T. Woods, Garrett Morgan, Charles Banks,
> Dr. Charles Drew, Dr. Daniel Hale Williams, Benjamin Banneker, and
> Madame C.J. Walker.

The sad (for you) part is, that all of the negroes mentioned had more than
a touch of White genes.

> Read about Alexander Dumas, Alessandro de Medici, and Alexander
> Pushkin, to see how Blacks influenced France, Italy, and Russia.

This is another funny thing about negrophiles:  they say that someone who
is 1/8th negro is that same as someone who is ALL negro.  That is patently
untrue.

> Read "The Armorial General" by B.J. Reitstap, and see how many European
> family crests show a Black person in the "place of honor" on the
> emblem.  That relates back to where some of the Moors went when Queen
> Isabella kicked them out of Spain.

Mine doesn't.  Your point?
 
Les


--
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		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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Brian O'Sullivan (bosul@zeus.towson.edu) writes:
> On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Les Griswold wrote:
>> Andy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:

(snip)

>> >   :> look who the best players are.
>> 
>> Doug Flutie, of the Saskatchewan Roughriders, MVP of the CFL four years
>> running.  White guy.
> 
> You're not seriously arguing that Doug Flutie is the best football player 
> in the world, are you?  I mean, I like Flutie and all--I've even seen Sask. 
> play here in Baltimore (sorry about ruining your football league)--but no 
> one would really claim that the CFL is nearly as skilled as the NFL . . . 
> it's cute, it's fun, but it sure as hell doesn't match up . . . 

If you don't like it, take it up with the CFL.
 
>> >   :sigh*   And how many football stars would there be if the White man
>> >   :hadn't invented the game for those stupid niggers in the first place?
>> > 
>> > There would be none, white or black. And we'd be watching Carl Lewis mop
>> > up the floor with lame-assed caucasian also-rans.
>> > 
>> > Two words: Jesse Owens.
>> > 
>> > Or are you going to argue that whites invented running?
>> 
>> Nope.  But what does it prove?  Hitler maintained that negroes were
>> excellent in CERTAIN TYPES of physical competition.  What does Jesse Owens
>> prove?  That niggers can run real fast over the short haul.  How many
>> long-distance runners do the black nations of Africa produce?
> 
> What's long distance?  Does the mile count?  5k?  10k?  None of those 
> records are held by white guys . . . and this "Hitler" guy--is he some 
> kind of physiological expert? ;^p

Obviously, this "Hitler" guy knew more about physiology than you do.

Les



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		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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 (sylvia@monitor.net) writes:
>> Excuse me?  How did I "slam" John Denver and Barry Manilow?  By removing
>> their fan NGs from the NG line?
> 
>    Jeus Christ, you miss the point of EVERYTHING don't you?

I suppose I do, so would you explain it to me?

>> > But of course nothing is truly original (as everybody says) so I
>> > will slink off with my head between someone elses legs and enjoy my
>> > afternoon. You, I assume, will just beat it.
>> 
>> Now THAT'S clever.  Hell, you advertise your sluttiness, and call me a
>> masturbator, all in one paragraph!
> 
>    YOU ARE RIGHT bright boy!  Good for you and I thought you missed the
> point entirely!  OK, now take a deep breath... and remember that women
> like me are always "sluts" in your mind because we scare you so much.  

Hey, if that gets you through the night, well...

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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1)  That there is such a thing as race.

2)  That the negro race is SIGNIFICANTLY less intelligent that the White race.

3)  That jews are involved in the control of our society FAR OUT OF
PROPORTION to their representation in the general population (I won't get
into their undesirability)

4)  That racial separation is the _only_ way to preserve the races (on this
one, the liberal position is being disproven daily, as we see the rampant
non-white on White crime rate, which is, for all intents and purposes, an
undeclared war.)

Notice that I said "refuted" above.  Whining and name-calling do not
constitute refutation.

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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Subject: Re: Evil Beavis and trailer parks (was: Black pride?  Where?)
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Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :> And lot's of Canadian retirees too Les!
>   :
>   :And your point is...?  Look, Foot-boy, how do retirees suddenly become
>   :representative of the general population?
> 
> They move there in huge numbers.

I'm typing real slowly for you, Raggedy, so maybe you'll get it this time
'round:  how do retirees represent the general population?  Do ALL
Canadians move to Florida, or even the majority?

Les

--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer


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Bruce Smith (starcons@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

> You want evidence?  Read "The Human Zoo" by Desmond Morris, where he
> quotes a 14th century traveler from the Netherlands, describing the
> city of Benin.  The traveler compares it to Amsterdam.

But 14th century Amsterdam, according to Abdrool Kama, was full of Whites
who slept with their sheep for warmth.

> Read "the History and Folklore of the Spanish People," and read about
> how the Moors conquered Spain and preserved the ancient world's
> knowledge while Europe was wallowing in the dark ages.

Yet again:  Europe progressed OUT of the Dark Ages, while the "Moors" and
other non-whites have SLIPPED INTO "Dark Ages" of their own.
 
> Read the Time-Life Book "Ancient Egypt," which contains a drawing by
> Napoleon's sketch artist, Dominique Vivant-Denon, circa 1798.  The
> drawing shows Napoleon's archeologists standing atop the head of the
> Sphinx, complete with African facial features.
>
> Read Herodotus "The History," where Herodotus describes an incident in
> which he encountered travelers from Colchis, and thought they were
> Egyptian "because they had black skin and woolly hair."
> 
> Read "Blacks in Science" by Hattie Carwell, and find out about George
> Washington Carver, Granville T. Woods, Garrett Morgan, Charles Banks,
> Dr. Charles Drew, Dr. Daniel Hale Williams, Benjamin Banneker, and
> Madame C.J. Walker.

The sad (for you) part is, that all of the negroes mentioned had more than
a touch of White genes.

> Read about Alexander Dumas, Alessandro de Medici, and Alexander
> Pushkin, to see how Blacks influenced France, Italy, and Russia.

This is another funny thing about negrophiles:  they say that someone who
is 1/8th negro is that same as someone who is ALL negro.  That is patently
untrue.

> Read "The Armorial General" by B.J. Reitstap, and see how many European
> family crests show a Black person in the "place of honor" on the
> emblem.  That relates back to where some of the Moors went when Queen
> Isabella kicked them out of Spain.

Mine doesn't.  Your point?
 
Les


--
"The whole [Celtic] nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for
battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured."
		-- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer

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