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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Egypt, Greece and India
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McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) writes:
>> Fourth World (fourthworld@earthlink.net) writes:
>> > In article ,
>> > cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:

(McKinstry telling us that a museum exhibit portrays the ancient
Egyptians, Greeks and Indians, not as saucer-lipped Negroes, but as Whites)

>> > A musuem exhibit is considered proof?  In China, Jesus is depicted as
>> > Chinese.  Many statues and exhibits show this.  Does this mean that Jesus
>> > was Chinese?
>> 
>> No, goofus.  McKinstry was talking about REAL things that are seen in a
>> museum, NOT some fairy tales that are adaptable for any race in the world.
>> 
> What surprises me Les is they (the pieces on exhibit) even came from the
> appropriate time era, yet you have liberals arguing whether it constitutes
> proof.  I mean if they thought about it, where on earth did these come
> from?  Then again you have to assume that liberals think as well.  

Big assumption.  Liberals are so fucking stupid, denying the same sort of
evidence that they CLAIM supports their "Negroes had a great civilization,
way back when!"

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug  1 08:15:30 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Jewish religious practices! (was: Converting to Judaism to Get
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:

(snip - a lot of irrelevant babble, which, if you know Ken McOyVay, you'll
thank me for having spared you.)

>      The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
>                    Anonymous ftp: ftp.almanac.bc.ca
>  Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca (Under construction - permanently!)
>     Kenneth McVay OBC.  Home Page: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/~kmcvay

Ken, it sounds like you're buying into all of this ego-stroking that's
been done to you.  Not a good move.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug  1 08:15:32 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: RACISM MAKES WHITE PEOPLE STUPID AND LAZY
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Estelle Carol and Bob Simpson (carolsim@mcs.com) writes:
>   One aspect of white supremacy that is seldom discussed is how it makes 
> white people more stupid and lazy than they have to be. Racism limits 
> competition, so that whites are not competing with people of color 
> on an equal basis. Less genuine competition=more stupidity and laziness.

But... but, Estelle and/or Bob:

We're not WORRIED about Blacks and other non-Whites "competing" with us. 
It's not competing when they start forcing drugs and other degeneracy into
our society.  It's not competing when they start shooting us in drive-bys.

>   So white folks....Get smarter...Get more productive....Get rid of 
> white supremacy. The species will thank you for it.

Yeah.  Sure.  Whatever.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug  1 08:15:34 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Black is Beautiful?
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SCHOEDEL (schoedel@aol.com) writes:
> << All I see are White mommy/mix kiddie families, with
> Black daddy LONG gone.
>  
> Les>>
> 
> Or how about black momma/black kiddie families with black daddy long
> gone...there is something inherent in black men, namely they just don't
> have the ability to parent.  Much like the way it is in most of the animal
> kingdom.

I couldn't have said it better myself!

Maybe THAT'S why they run so fast in the Olympics!

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug  1 08:15:36 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: long live lester griswald!!!
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 (kdb@nando.net) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> ************************************************************
> I'm from NC and I have never voted for   *  Karen DenBleyker
> or given support to Senator Jesse Helms. *  kdb@nando.net
> ************************************************************

Yeah, but NC is STILL a nice place, even with a waste like you there. 
Hell, one of my best friends lives in North Carolina!

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug  1 08:15:38 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Both hands and a mirror (was: Black is Beautiful?)
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>> (lzaird@io.org) writes:
>>> In article ,
>>> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>>>Sorry, niggers don't scare me, or any other White man.
>>> Yeah...RIGHT... From all your posturing, you'd think they were the 
>>> biggest threat to humanity since the A-Bomb.
>>They are.
> 
> Scare ya then?  

Nope.  They're a threat to our race, but I'm not scared of any nigger.
 
>>Re-read it.  You said that I was SCARED of them originally.  I said I
>>wasn't.  You then changed it to say that I was saying that I wasn't
>>THREATENED by them.  Threatened, yes.  Scared, no.
> 
> Les, this is a break-through!  But why then, Les, if you're such an 
> Aryan Superboy, do they threaten you?  I thought you were superior... a 
> superior man would not feel THREATENED by an inferior one!  Are you a 
> superior man?

"You can always bring down a stag if you get enough dogs at its throat."

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug  1 09:18:25 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) writes:
>> Fourth World (fourthworld@earthlink.net) writes:
>> > In article ,
>> > cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:

(McKinstry telling us that a museum exhibit portrays the ancient
Egyptians, Greeks and Indians, not as saucer-lipped Negroes, but as Whites)

>> > A musuem exhibit is considered proof?  In China, Jesus is depicted as
>> > Chinese.  Many statues and exhibits show this.  Does this mean that Jesus
>> > was Chinese?
>> 
>> No, goofus.  McKinstry was talking about REAL things that are seen in a
>> museum, NOT some fairy tales that are adaptable for any race in the world.
>> 
> What surprises me Les is they (the pieces on exhibit) even came from the
> appropriate time era, yet you have liberals arguing whether it constitutes
> proof.  I mean if they thought about it, where on earth did these come
> from?  Then again you have to assume that liberals think as well.  

Big assumption.  Liberals are so fucking stupid, denying the same sort of
evidence that they CLAIM supports their "Negroes had a great civilization,
way back when!"

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  2 13:31:46 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Egypt, Greece and India
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McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) writes:
>> Fourth World (fourthworld@earthlink.net) writes:
>> > In article ,
>> > cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:

(McKinstry telling us that a museum exhibit portrays the ancient
Egyptians, Greeks and Indians, not as saucer-lipped Negroes, but as Whites)

>> > A musuem exhibit is considered proof?  In China, Jesus is depicted as
>> > Chinese.  Many statues and exhibits show this.  Does this mean that Jesus
>> > was Chinese?
>> 
>> No, goofus.  McKinstry was talking about REAL things that are seen in a
>> museum, NOT some fairy tales that are adaptable for any race in the world.
>> 
> What surprises me Les is they (the pieces on exhibit) even came from the
> appropriate time era, yet you have liberals arguing whether it constitutes
> proof.  I mean if they thought about it, where on earth did these come
> from?  Then again you have to assume that liberals think as well.  

Big assumption.  Liberals are so fucking stupid, denying the same sort of
evidence that they CLAIM supports their "Negroes had a great civilization,
way back when!"

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  2 13:32:23 PDT 1995
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Steve Garza (sgarza@academic.csubak.edu) writes:

(snip)

> What genocide is going on against whites, Les?

Abortion for other than eugenic reasons.  Negative population growth. 
Shunting of kids that they DO have into government-run daycare centres.

> You have some whites
> killing whites in Bosnia right now because of religious differences. Are
> you concerned about whites who are Muslim, whites who are Socialist, or
> whites who are homosexual Lester?

Nope, nope, nope.  White is not the ONLY criteria by which I judge others,
but it is ONE of the necessary criterion.

> Is white really the issue? Or is it
> class Lester? Are you envious and need someone to blame because of your
> pathetic little life?

Oh, gee, like I haven't heard THAT one before!

> You say there are plenty of Jews left in the world and there is how many? 
> About 12,000,000? There are several hundred million whites in the world
> Lester. Aren't there plenty of them? Who the fuck is
> imposing a genocide on the white race? Look at Latin America. It was raped
> by the invasion of the Spaniards and the Indian populations were
> decimated. The "white genes" of Europeans have infiltrated every
> population group in Latin and South America except for a few isolated
> groups in the rain forest. American blacks have also been genetically
> modified by whites. So how the fuck can your genes become extinct?!!!!!
> Think you idiot bastard.

Oh, boo hoo hoo, them rotten WHITE GUYS fucked up the pristine native
world! (Gee, there's ANOTHER one I've never heard before!  Keep it up,
Steve:  you're just a FOUNTAIN of originality).

I don't care HOW many mongrels carry White genes in them.  A Heinz 57 is
not a German Shepherd, or a Labrador, or any of the other types of dogs
that went in to make him what he is (to whit, a mongrel).

> Steve Garza (Sorry for my language folks, but Lester can bring out the
> worst in people.)

With you, Steve, that's not very hard (bringing out the worst, that is).

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  2 18:04:05 PDT 1995
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McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) writes:
>> Fourth World (fourthworld@earthlink.net) writes:
>> > In article ,
>> > cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:

(McKinstry telling us that a museum exhibit portrays the ancient
Egyptians, Greeks and Indians, not as saucer-lipped Negroes, but as Whites)

>> > A musuem exhibit is considered proof?  In China, Jesus is depicted as
>> > Chinese.  Many statues and exhibits show this.  Does this mean that Jesus
>> > was Chinese?
>> 
>> No, goofus.  McKinstry was talking about REAL things that are seen in a
>> museum, NOT some fairy tales that are adaptable for any race in the world.
>> 
> What surprises me Les is they (the pieces on exhibit) even came from the
> appropriate time era, yet you have liberals arguing whether it constitutes
> proof.  I mean if they thought about it, where on earth did these come
> from?  Then again you have to assume that liberals think as well.  

Big assumption.  Liberals are so fucking stupid, denying the same sort of
evidence that they CLAIM supports their "Negroes had a great civilization,
way back when!"

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  2 18:04:34 PDT 1995
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Steve Garza (sgarza@academic.csubak.edu) writes:

(snip)

> What genocide is going on against whites, Les?

Abortion for other than eugenic reasons.  Negative population growth. 
Shunting of kids that they DO have into government-run daycare centres.

> You have some whites
> killing whites in Bosnia right now because of religious differences. Are
> you concerned about whites who are Muslim, whites who are Socialist, or
> whites who are homosexual Lester?

Nope, nope, nope.  White is not the ONLY criteria by which I judge others,
but it is ONE of the necessary criterion.

> Is white really the issue? Or is it
> class Lester? Are you envious and need someone to blame because of your
> pathetic little life?

Oh, gee, like I haven't heard THAT one before!

> You say there are plenty of Jews left in the world and there is how many? 
> About 12,000,000? There are several hundred million whites in the world
> Lester. Aren't there plenty of them? Who the fuck is
> imposing a genocide on the white race? Look at Latin America. It was raped
> by the invasion of the Spaniards and the Indian populations were
> decimated. The "white genes" of Europeans have infiltrated every
> population group in Latin and South America except for a few isolated
> groups in the rain forest. American blacks have also been genetically
> modified by whites. So how the fuck can your genes become extinct?!!!!!
> Think you idiot bastard.

Oh, boo hoo hoo, them rotten WHITE GUYS fucked up the pristine native
world! (Gee, there's ANOTHER one I've never heard before!  Keep it up,
Steve:  you're just a FOUNTAIN of originality).

I don't care HOW many mongrels carry White genes in them.  A Heinz 57 is
not a German Shepherd, or a Labrador, or any of the other types of dogs
that went in to make him what he is (to whit, a mongrel).

> Steve Garza (Sorry for my language folks, but Lester can bring out the
> worst in people.)

With you, Steve, that's not very hard (bringing out the worst, that is).

Les




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Steve Garza (sgarza@academic.csubak.edu) writes:

(snip)

> What genocide is going on against whites, Les?

Abortion for other than eugenic reasons.  Negative population growth. 
Shunting of kids that they DO have into government-run daycare centres.

> You have some whites
> killing whites in Bosnia right now because of religious differences. Are
> you concerned about whites who are Muslim, whites who are Socialist, or
> whites who are homosexual Lester?

Nope, nope, nope.  White is not the ONLY criteria by which I judge others,
but it is ONE of the necessary criterion.

> Is white really the issue? Or is it
> class Lester? Are you envious and need someone to blame because of your
> pathetic little life?

Oh, gee, like I haven't heard THAT one before!

> You say there are plenty of Jews left in the world and there is how many? 
> About 12,000,000? There are several hundred million whites in the world
> Lester. Aren't there plenty of them? Who the fuck is
> imposing a genocide on the white race? Look at Latin America. It was raped
> by the invasion of the Spaniards and the Indian populations were
> decimated. The "white genes" of Europeans have infiltrated every
> population group in Latin and South America except for a few isolated
> groups in the rain forest. American blacks have also been genetically
> modified by whites. So how the fuck can your genes become extinct?!!!!!
> Think you idiot bastard.

Oh, boo hoo hoo, them rotten WHITE GUYS fucked up the pristine native
world! (Gee, there's ANOTHER one I've never heard before!  Keep it up,
Steve:  you're just a FOUNTAIN of originality).

I don't care HOW many mongrels carry White genes in them.  A Heinz 57 is
not a German Shepherd, or a Labrador, or any of the other types of dogs
that went in to make him what he is (to whit, a mongrel).

> Steve Garza (Sorry for my language folks, but Lester can bring out the
> worst in people.)

With you, Steve, that's not very hard (bringing out the worst, that is).

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: RACISM MAKES WHITE PEOPLE STUPID AND LAZY
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>    We're not WORRIED about Blacks and other non-Whites "competing" with us. 
>    It's not competing when they start forcing drugs and other degeneracy into
>    our society.  
> 
> How many drugs or forms of degeneracy have Blacks introduced into society?

Drugs:  Crack-cocaine.  Heroin.  Morphine.  

Degeneracy:  Black marketeering.  Pimping and prostitution.
  
>    It's not competing when they start shooting us in drive-bys.
> 
> But drive-bys by Italians are "competition"?

Italians (or should I say, Sicilians) never randomly sprayed targets, and
anyone who happened to be nearby.  They knew who they wanted to kill, and shot 
them, and ONLY them.  Niggers are notorious for instituting free-fire zones 
when they do a drive-by.

Les



From student@ucs.indiana.edu Wed Aug  2 20:19:05 PDT 1995
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From: Civilized Man 
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Subject: Re: ****My racist opinion, if anyone cares****
Date: 1 Aug 1995 17:31:41 GMT
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bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>Civilized Man (student@ucs.indiana.edu) writes:
>> demented@rain.org (Fox) wrote:
>>>I am one of the euros you spoke of.  I admit I am a racist.  I have been a
>>>psychiatrist on an African-American psychiatric unit and I spent a great
>>>deal of time attempting to learn/understand/accept the many levels of the
>>>African-American Culture.  One thing I do know, your style of lashing back
>>>at others will do little to further your cause and changs the
>>>thoughts/feelings of others.  I suggest you look at you own racism before
>>>you so quickly condem others opinions.In article
>> 
>> Fox,
>> 
>> I am glad that you admit that you are a racist. You are not the first 
>> to imply or suggest that I am a racist, although I find it particularly
>> ridiculous for folks to make such contentions for the most part. Still, I admit thatmany of the things that I say can be popularly =
>> considered racist.
>> While I refrain from calling your people filthy crackers, peckerwoods,
>> no good ofays, honkeys or make allusions to the smell of wet euro (ask a 
>> black person about that one), I do make generalizations at times.
>> I have been known, however, to qualify my statements so as not to offend the 
>> more morally upright of your "race".
>
>Geez, thanks.  You don't hurl racial epithets, therefore you're not a
>racist.  Then stop with the characterization of every White as a devil.

Lester, like I have said before, (quoting Malcolm here) I do not think
that all whites are devils, just those that act like devils.

>> See, I choose not to hold back the lash of my tounge on anyone's pathology.  
>> I am very critical of trifling, lazy and foul elements in the black 
>> community.
>
>And it seems to be okay if YOU say it, but let a White man even IMPLY it,
>and hey presto!  Race riots!

Well Lester euros have been saying this since demons like you enslaved us
and had us build your free nation. You are obviously not attentive to
much of the recent scholarship that has been accepted by many euros and 
blacks such as William J. Wilson's "culture of poverty" 
thesis. While it tends to have dangerous potential, it is not difficult
to see that certain socio-economic factors bred particular pathologies.
These are not, however, biologically determined. The problem arises when
savages like you use stats on high black crime to bolster your evil
agenda without admitting that class plays a formidible role in criminal
behavior. High unemployment, high crime. Its not too deep, Leslie.

>> There seems to be enough of that condemnation here to go around, so I refrain 
>> myself. Black nationalists are the most harsh critics of black behavior and 
>> white behavior.
>
>Because they can get away with criticizing Blacks.

You have a point there. I believe that the general belief is that black
nationalists are more concerned about the well-being of other blacks- as
evidenced in their labors to create institutions that serve the needs of
black people- than white politicians and others who are fundamentally
removed from black reality and levy little criticism against their own
people's tendency to oppress.

>(snip)
>
>... (in your best whinning voice) "=
>> why do they have black history month?" -Can't tell me shit about black folks 
>> in history- "why do they have a black student cultural center?" -Euros have 
>> all-white frat houses,
>
>Where?

Here at Indiana University- sigma chi all the way down, except for a couple.
>
>> statues of euros at ever turn, 98% of the pictures around campus are
>> euros,
>
>Maybe that's because 98% of the accomplishments on campuses are BY "euros".

Exactly. No conflict here. The point is that this is a cultural world
dominated by europeans. At every turn you are reminded by it. Why, then
is it such a terrible thing for black students to create a cultural refuge for themselves?
 
>> whites dominated the student body and the faculty and they want "a white 
>> cultural center". "Why do they have black colleges?"- All across the country 
>> there are predominately white colleges,
>
>Again, where?

Dumb devil.

Most US colleges are predominately white. Indiana U. is over 90% euro.


>> many are more white than many HBCUs are black, and whites can attend any
>> HBCU if they wanted to,
>
>And Blacks can't attend "predominately white colleges" if they want to? 
>Of course, then they have to put up with the contempt of other Blacks, who
>are upset that they haven't chosen to remain dead-end welfare tycoons and
>drug-lords.

Beelzebubian, your stupity is never ending. I never implied that blacks
can not attend white schools. And that statement regarding "welfare tycoons"
is so foolish, it doesn't merit a response, except that it reflects how
little you know about black people. You watch too much tv, I can tell.
What was your favorite show growing up? Probably the White Shadow, huh?

>> but are just looking for a reason to complain about "those people." But,
>> of course, they always preface themselves with "I am not racist but..."

>You'd be surprised.  A growing number of White people are not running like
>scared rabbits anymore when minorities wield the "racist!" club.

I can tell. Like I have said before, I think that it has been used too
loosely. I think, too, that the media are guilty of adding coals to the
fire of racial tension.

>> I have been harassed by the police anywhere that I live longer than a
>> year, and euros swear up and down that the law is fair. I bet that the
>> pigs that have stopped me, calling me nigger and all that will swear up
>> and down that they are not racist. The proof is in the praxis, not rhetoric, 
>> though.
>
>Wow!  Talk about a loopy conspiracy nut!
>
>Here in Ottawa, we have a Black who protests in front of a shopping mall
>that he is persecuted by (wait for it) "racists", who bet to the grocery
>store before he does, and "poison" the food he buys.  He also tells anyone
>who'll listen that "The Kid" (the guy persecuting him) has pictures of him
>masturbating, and screwing White women.  Are they ALL this nutty?

That guy sounds like a nut alright. But knowing your penchant for spweing 
untruths, I am not likely to believe your story.
The facts are that there are black charletons, who try to get sympathy
for themselves by using the race card, like that clown OJ.
There was a black frat here that had a pledge hostpitalized for getting
hazed so bad. When the university suspended them, some of the clowns
wanted to cry racism. I was sickend that these negroes would attack
other black men with such barbarity and blame euros when the are caught.

>> I would like to know what exactly makes me racist. If this post makes me 
>> racist, well call be that until your blue in the face.  
>
>Les

TCM,

"don't let me catch Darryl Gates in traffic/
I gotta have it/
peel his cap backward"
-Ice Cube



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From: Civilized Man 
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: ****My racist opinion, if anyone cares****
Date: 1 Aug 1995 17:33:29 GMT
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bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>Civilized Man (student@ucs.indiana.edu) writes:
>> demented@rain.org (Fox) wrote:
>>>I am one of the euros you spoke of.  I admit I am a racist.  I have been a
>>>psychiatrist on an African-American psychiatric unit and I spent a great
>>>deal of time attempting to learn/understand/accept the many levels of the
>>>African-American Culture.  One thing I do know, your style of lashing back
>>>at others will do little to further your cause and changs the
>>>thoughts/feelings of others.  I suggest you look at you own racism before
>>>you so quickly condem others opinions.In article
>> 
>> Fox,
>> 
>> I am glad that you admit that you are a racist. You are not the first 
>> to imply or suggest that I am a racist, although I find it particularly
>> ridiculous for folks to make such contentions for the most part. Still, I admit thatmany of the things that I say can be popularly =
>> considered racist.
>> While I refrain from calling your people filthy crackers, peckerwoods,
>> no good ofays, honkeys or make allusions to the smell of wet euro (ask a 
>> black person about that one), I do make generalizations at times.
>> I have been known, however, to qualify my statements so as not to offend the 
>> more morally upright of your "race".
>
>Geez, thanks.  You don't hurl racial epithets, therefore you're not a
>racist.  Then stop with the characterization of every White as a devil.

Lester, like I have said before, (quoting Malcolm here) I do not think
that all whites are devils, just those that act like devils.

>> See, I choose not to hold back the lash of my tounge on anyone's pathology.  
>> I am very critical of trifling, lazy and foul elements in the black 
>> community.
>
>And it seems to be okay if YOU say it, but let a White man even IMPLY it,
>and hey presto!  Race riots!

Well Lester euros have been saying this since demons like you enslaved us
and had us build your free nation. You are obviously not attentive to
much of the recent scholarship that has been accepted by many euros and 
blacks such as William J. Wilson's "culture of poverty" 
thesis. While it tends to have dangerous potential, it is not difficult
to see that certain socio-economic factors bred particular pathologies.
These are not, however, biologically determined. The problem arises when
savages like you use stats on high black crime to bolster your evil
agenda without admitting that class plays a formidible role in criminal
behavior. High unemployment, high crime. Its not too deep, Leslie.

>> There seems to be enough of that condemnation here to go around, so I refrain 
>> myself. Black nationalists are the most harsh critics of black behavior and 
>> white behavior.
>
>Because they can get away with criticizing Blacks.

You have a point there. I believe that the general belief is that black
nationalists are more concerned about the well-being of other blacks- as
evidenced in their labors to create institutions that serve the needs of
black people- than white politicians and others who are fundamentally
removed from black reality and levy little criticism against their own
people's tendency to oppress.

>(snip)
>
>... (in your best whinning voice) "=
>> why do they have black history month?" -Can't tell me shit about black folks 
>> in history- "why do they have a black student cultural center?" -Euros have 
>> all-white frat houses,
>
>Where?

Here at Indiana University- sigma chi all the way down, except for a couple.
>
>> statues of euros at ever turn, 98% of the pictures around campus are
>> euros,
>
>Maybe that's because 98% of the accomplishments on campuses are BY "euros".

Exactly. No conflict here. The point is that this is a cultural world
dominated by europeans. At every turn you are reminded by it. Why, then
is it such a terrible thing for black students to create a cultural refuge for themselves?
 
>> whites dominated the student body and the faculty and they want "a white 
>> cultural center". "Why do they have black colleges?"- All across the country 
>> there are predominately white colleges,
>
>Again, where?

Dumb devil.

Most US colleges are predominately white. Indiana U. is over 90% euro.


>> many are more white than many HBCUs are black, and whites can attend any
>> HBCU if they wanted to,
>
>And Blacks can't attend "predominately white colleges" if they want to? 
>Of course, then they have to put up with the contempt of other Blacks, who
>are upset that they haven't chosen to remain dead-end welfare tycoons and
>drug-lords.

Beelzebubian, your stupity is never ending. I never implied that blacks
can not attend white schools. And that statement regarding "welfare tycoons"
is so foolish, it doesn't merit a response, except that it reflects how
little you know about black people. You watch too much tv, I can tell.
What was your favorite show growing up? Probably the White Shadow, huh?

>> but are just looking for a reason to complain about "those people." But,
>> of course, they always preface themselves with "I am not racist but..."

>You'd be surprised.  A growing number of White people are not running like
>scared rabbits anymore when minorities wield the "racist!" club.

I can tell. Like I have said before, I think that it has been used too
loosely. I think, too, that the media are guilty of adding coals to the
fire of racial tension.

>> I have been harassed by the police anywhere that I live longer than a
>> year, and euros swear up and down that the law is fair. I bet that the
>> pigs that have stopped me, calling me nigger and all that will swear up
>> and down that they are not racist. The proof is in the praxis, not rhetoric, 
>> though.
>
>Wow!  Talk about a loopy conspiracy nut!
>
>Here in Ottawa, we have a Black who protests in front of a shopping mall
>that he is persecuted by (wait for it) "racists", who bet to the grocery
>store before he does, and "poison" the food he buys.  He also tells anyone
>who'll listen that "The Kid" (the guy persecuting him) has pictures of him
>masturbating, and screwing White women.  Are they ALL this nutty?

That guy sounds like a nut alright. But knowing your penchant for spweing 
untruths, I am not likely to believe your story.
The facts are that there are black charletons, who try to get sympathy
for themselves by using the race card, like that clown OJ.
There was a black frat here that had a pledge hostpitalized for getting
hazed so bad. When the university suspended them, some of the clowns
wanted to cry racism. I was sickend that these negroes would attack
other black men with such barbarity and blame euros when the are caught.

>> I would like to know what exactly makes me racist. If this post makes me 
>> racist, well call be that until your blue in the face.  
>
>Les

TCM,

"don't let me catch Darryl Gates in traffic/
I gotta have it/
peel his cap backward"
-Ice Cube



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From: Civilized Man 
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Subject: Re: ****My racist opinion, if anyone cares****
Date: 1 Aug 1995 17:34:39 GMT
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bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>Civilized Man (student@ucs.indiana.edu) writes:
>> demented@rain.org (Fox) wrote:
>>>I am one of the euros you spoke of.  I admit I am a racist.  I have been a
>>>psychiatrist on an African-American psychiatric unit and I spent a great
>>>deal of time attempting to learn/understand/accept the many levels of the
>>>African-American Culture.  One thing I do know, your style of lashing back
>>>at others will do little to further your cause and changs the
>>>thoughts/feelings of others.  I suggest you look at you own racism before
>>>you so quickly condem others opinions.In article
>> 
>> Fox,
>> 
>> I am glad that you admit that you are a racist. You are not the first 
>> to imply or suggest that I am a racist, although I find it particularly
>> ridiculous for folks to make such contentions for the most part. Still, I admit thatmany of the things that I say can be popularly =
>> considered racist.
>> While I refrain from calling your people filthy crackers, peckerwoods,
>> no good ofays, honkeys or make allusions to the smell of wet euro (ask a 
>> black person about that one), I do make generalizations at times.
>> I have been known, however, to qualify my statements so as not to offend the 
>> more morally upright of your "race".
>
>Geez, thanks.  You don't hurl racial epithets, therefore you're not a
>racist.  Then stop with the characterization of every White as a devil.

Lester, like I have said before, (quoting Malcolm here) I do not think
that all whites are devils, just those that act like devils.

>> See, I choose not to hold back the lash of my tounge on anyone's pathology.  
>> I am very critical of trifling, lazy and foul elements in the black 
>> community.
>
>And it seems to be okay if YOU say it, but let a White man even IMPLY it,
>and hey presto!  Race riots!

Well Lester euros have been saying this since demons like you enslaved us
and had us build your free nation. You are obviously not attentive to
much of the recent scholarship that has been accepted by many euros and 
blacks such as William J. Wilson's "culture of poverty" 
thesis. While it tends to have dangerous potential, it is not difficult
to see that certain socio-economic factors bred particular pathologies.
These are not, however, biologically determined. The problem arises when
savages like you use stats on high black crime to bolster your evil
agenda without admitting that class plays a formidible role in criminal
behavior. High unemployment, high crime. Its not too deep, Leslie.

>> There seems to be enough of that condemnation here to go around, so I refrain 
>> myself. Black nationalists are the most harsh critics of black behavior and 
>> white behavior.
>
>Because they can get away with criticizing Blacks.

You have a point there. I believe that the general belief is that black
nationalists are more concerned about the well-being of other blacks- as
evidenced in their labors to create institutions that serve the needs of
black people- than white politicians and others who are fundamentally
removed from black reality and levy little criticism against their own
people's tendency to oppress.

>(snip)
>
>... (in your best whinning voice) "=
>> why do they have black history month?" -Can't tell me shit about black folks 
>> in history- "why do they have a black student cultural center?" -Euros have 
>> all-white frat houses,
>
>Where?

Here at Indiana University- sigma chi all the way down, except for a couple.
>
>> statues of euros at ever turn, 98% of the pictures around campus are
>> euros,
>
>Maybe that's because 98% of the accomplishments on campuses are BY "euros".

Exactly. No conflict here. The point is that this is a cultural world
dominated by europeans. At every turn you are reminded by it. Why, then
is it such a terrible thing for black students to create a cultural refuge for themselves?
 
>> whites dominated the student body and the faculty and they want "a white 
>> cultural center". "Why do they have black colleges?"- All across the country 
>> there are predominately white colleges,
>
>Again, where?

Dumb devil.

Most US colleges are predominately white. Indiana U. is over 90% euro.


>> many are more white than many HBCUs are black, and whites can attend any
>> HBCU if they wanted to,
>
>And Blacks can't attend "predominately white colleges" if they want to? 
>Of course, then they have to put up with the contempt of other Blacks, who
>are upset that they haven't chosen to remain dead-end welfare tycoons and
>drug-lords.

Beelzebubian, your stupity is never ending. I never implied that blacks
can not attend white schools. And that statement regarding "welfare tycoons"
is so foolish, it doesn't merit a response, except that it reflects how
little you know about black people. You watch too much tv, I can tell.
What was your favorite show growing up? Probably the White Shadow, huh?

>> but are just looking for a reason to complain about "those people." But,
>> of course, they always preface themselves with "I am not racist but..."

>You'd be surprised.  A growing number of White people are not running like
>scared rabbits anymore when minorities wield the "racist!" club.

I can tell. Like I have said before, I think that it has been used too
loosely. I think, too, that the media are guilty of adding coals to the
fire of racial tension.

>> I have been harassed by the police anywhere that I live longer than a
>> year, and euros swear up and down that the law is fair. I bet that the
>> pigs that have stopped me, calling me nigger and all that will swear up
>> and down that they are not racist. The proof is in the praxis, not rhetoric, 
>> though.
>
>Wow!  Talk about a loopy conspiracy nut!
>
>Here in Ottawa, we have a Black who protests in front of a shopping mall
>that he is persecuted by (wait for it) "racists", who bet to the grocery
>store before he does, and "poison" the food he buys.  He also tells anyone
>who'll listen that "The Kid" (the guy persecuting him) has pictures of him
>masturbating, and screwing White women.  Are they ALL this nutty?

That guy sounds like a nut alright. But knowing your penchant for spweing 
untruths, I am not likely to believe your story.
The facts are that there are black charletons, who try to get sympathy
for themselves by using the race card, like that clown OJ.
There was a black frat here that had a pledge hostpitalized for getting
hazed so bad. When the university suspended them, some of the clowns
wanted to cry racism. I was sickend that these negroes would attack
other black men with such barbarity and blame euros when the are caught.

>> I would like to know what exactly makes me racist. If this post makes me 
>> racist, well call be that until your blue in the face.  
>
>Les

TCM,

"don't let me catch Darryl Gates in traffic/
I gotta have it/
peel his cap backward"
-Ice Cube



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From: Civilized Man 
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Date: 1 Aug 1995 18:08:41 GMT
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bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>Civilized Man (student@ucs.indiana.edu) writes:
>> demented@rain.org (Fox) wrote:
>>>I am one of the euros you spoke of.  I admit I am a racist.  I have been a
>>>psychiatrist on an African-American psychiatric unit and I spent a great
>>>deal of time attempting to learn/understand/accept the many levels of the
>>>African-American Culture.  One thing I do know, your style of lashing back
>>>at others will do little to further your cause and changs the
>>>thoughts/feelings of others.  I suggest you look at you own racism before
>>>you so quickly condem others opinions.In article
>> 
>> Fox,
>> 
>> I am glad that you admit that you are a racist. You are not the first 
>> to imply or suggest that I am a racist, although I find it particularly
>> ridiculous for folks to make such contentions for the most part. Still, I admit thatmany of the things that I say can be popularly =
>> considered racist.
>> While I refrain from calling your people filthy crackers, peckerwoods,
>> no good ofays, honkeys or make allusions to the smell of wet euro (ask a 
>> black person about that one), I do make generalizations at times.
>> I have been known, however, to qualify my statements so as not to offend the 
>> more morally upright of your "race".
>
>Geez, thanks.  You don't hurl racial epithets, therefore you're not a
>racist.  Then stop with the characterization of every White as a devil.

Lester, like I have said before, (quoting Malcolm here) I do not think
that all whites are devils, just those that act like devils.

>> See, I choose not to hold back the lash of my tounge on anyone's pathology.  
>> I am very critical of trifling, lazy and foul elements in the black 
>> community.
>
>And it seems to be okay if YOU say it, but let a White man even IMPLY it,
>and hey presto!  Race riots!

Well Lester euros have been saying this since demons like you enslaved us
and had us build your free nation. You are obviously not attentive to
much of the recent scholarship that has been accepted by many euros and 
blacks such as William J. Wilson's "culture of poverty" 
thesis. While it tends to have dangerous potential, it is not difficult
to see that certain socio-economic factors bred particular pathologies.
These are not, however, biologically determined. The problem arises when
savages like you use stats on high black crime to bolster your evil
agenda without admitting that class plays a formidible role in criminal
behavior. High unemployment, high crime. Its not too deep, Leslie.

>> There seems to be enough of that condemnation here to go around, so I refrain 
>> myself. Black nationalists are the most harsh critics of black behavior and 
>> white behavior.
>
>Because they can get away with criticizing Blacks.

You have a point there. I believe that the general belief is that black
nationalists are more concerned about the well-being of other blacks- as
evidenced in their labors to create institutions that serve the needs of
black people- than white politicians and others who are fundamentally
removed from black reality and levy little criticism against their own
people's tendency to oppress.

>(snip)
>
>... (in your best whinning voice) "=
>> why do they have black history month?" -Can't tell me shit about black folks 
>> in history- "why do they have a black student cultural center?" -Euros have 
>> all-white frat houses,
>
>Where?

Here at Indiana University- sigma chi all the way down, except for a couple.
>
>> statues of euros at ever turn, 98% of the pictures around campus are
>> euros,
>
>Maybe that's because 98% of the accomplishments on campuses are BY "euros".

Exactly. No conflict here. The point is that this is a cultural world
dominated by europeans. At every turn you are reminded by it. Why, then
is it such a terrible thing for black students to create a cultural refuge for themselves?
 
>> whites dominated the student body and the faculty and they want "a white 
>> cultural center". "Why do they have black colleges?"- All across the country 
>> there are predominately white colleges,
>
>Again, where?

Dumb devil.

Most US colleges are predominately white. Indiana U. is over 90% euro.


>> many are more white than many HBCUs are black, and whites can attend any
>> HBCU if they wanted to,
>
>And Blacks can't attend "predominately white colleges" if they want to? 
>Of course, then they have to put up with the contempt of other Blacks, who
>are upset that they haven't chosen to remain dead-end welfare tycoons and
>drug-lords.

Beelzebubian, your stupity is never ending. I never implied that blacks
can not attend white schools. And that statement regarding "welfare tycoons"
is so foolish, it doesn't merit a response, except that it reflects how
little you know about black people. You watch too much tv, I can tell.
What was your favorite show growing up? Probably the White Shadow, huh?

>> but are just looking for a reason to complain about "those people." But,
>> of course, they always preface themselves with "I am not racist but..."

>You'd be surprised.  A growing number of White people are not running like
>scared rabbits anymore when minorities wield the "racist!" club.

I can tell. Like I have said before, I think that it has been used too
loosely. I think, too, that the media are guilty of adding coals to the
fire of racial tension.

>> I have been harassed by the police anywhere that I live longer than a
>> year, and euros swear up and down that the law is fair. I bet that the
>> pigs that have stopped me, calling me nigger and all that will swear up
>> and down that they are not racist. The proof is in the praxis, not rhetoric, 
>> though.
>
>Wow!  Talk about a loopy conspiracy nut!
>
>Here in Ottawa, we have a Black who protests in front of a shopping mall
>that he is persecuted by (wait for it) "racists", who bet to the grocery
>store before he does, and "poison" the food he buys.  He also tells anyone
>who'll listen that "The Kid" (the guy persecuting him) has pictures of him
>masturbating, and screwing White women.  Are they ALL this nutty?

That guy sounds like a nut alright. But knowing your penchant for spweing 
untruths, I am not likely to believe your story.
The facts are that there are black charletons, who try to get sympathy
for themselves by using the race card, like that clown OJ.
There was a black frat here that had a pledge hostpitalized for getting
hazed so bad. When the university suspended them, some of the clowns
wanted to cry racism. I was sickend that these negroes would attack
other black men with such barbarity and blame euros when the are caught.

>> I would like to know what exactly makes me racist. If this post makes me 
>> racist, well call be that until your blue in the face.  
>
>Les

TCM,

"don't let me catch Darryl Gates in traffic/
I gotta have it/
peel his cap backward"
-Ice Cube



From student@ucs.indiana.edu Wed Aug  2 20:19:38 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: ****My racist opinion, if anyone cares****
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bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>Civilized Man (student@ucs.indiana.edu) writes:
>> demented@rain.org (Fox) wrote:
>>>I am one of the euros you spoke of.  I admit I am a racist.  I have been a
>>>psychiatrist on an African-American psychiatric unit and I spent a great
>>>deal of time attempting to learn/understand/accept the many levels of the
>>>African-American Culture.  One thing I do know, your style of lashing back
>>>at others will do little to further your cause and changs the
>>>thoughts/feelings of others.  I suggest you look at you own racism before
>>>you so quickly condem others opinions.In article
>> 
>> Fox,
>> 
>> I am glad that you admit that you are a racist. You are not the first 
>> to imply or suggest that I am a racist, although I find it particularly
>> ridiculous for folks to make such contentions for the most part. Still, I admit thatmany of the things that I say can be popularly =
>> considered racist.
>> While I refrain from calling your people filthy crackers, peckerwoods,
>> no good ofays, honkeys or make allusions to the smell of wet euro (ask a 
>> black person about that one), I do make generalizations at times.
>> I have been known, however, to qualify my statements so as not to offend the 
>> more morally upright of your "race".
>
>Geez, thanks.  You don't hurl racial epithets, therefore you're not a
>racist.  Then stop with the characterization of every White as a devil.

Lester, like I have said before, (quoting Malcolm here) I do not think
that all whites are devils, just those that act like devils.

>> See, I choose not to hold back the lash of my tounge on anyone's pathology.  
>> I am very critical of trifling, lazy and foul elements in the black 
>> community.
>
>And it seems to be okay if YOU say it, but let a White man even IMPLY it,
>and hey presto!  Race riots!

Well Lester euros have been saying this since demons like you enslaved us
and had us build your free nation. You are obviously not attentive to
much of the recent scholarship that has been accepted by many euros and 
blacks such as William J. Wilson's "culture of poverty" 
thesis. While it tends to have dangerous potential, it is not difficult
to see that certain socio-economic factors bred particular pathologies.
These are not, however, biologically determined. The problem arises when
savages like you use stats on high black crime to bolster your evil
agenda without admitting that class plays a formidible role in criminal
behavior. High unemployment, high crime. Its not too deep, Leslie.

>> There seems to be enough of that condemnation here to go around, so I refrain 
>> myself. Black nationalists are the most harsh critics of black behavior and 
>> white behavior.
>
>Because they can get away with criticizing Blacks.

You have a point there. I believe that the general belief is that black
nationalists are more concerned about the well-being of other blacks- as
evidenced in their labors to create institutions that serve the needs of
black people- than white politicians and others who are fundamentally
removed from black reality and levy little criticism against their own
people's tendency to oppress.

>(snip)
>
>... (in your best whinning voice) "=
>> why do they have black history month?" -Can't tell me shit about black folks 
>> in history- "why do they have a black student cultural center?" -Euros have 
>> all-white frat houses,
>
>Where?

Here at Indiana University- sigma chi all the way down, except for a couple.
>
>> statues of euros at ever turn, 98% of the pictures around campus are
>> euros,
>
>Maybe that's because 98% of the accomplishments on campuses are BY "euros".

Exactly. No conflict here. The point is that this is a cultural world
dominated by europeans. At every turn you are reminded by it. Why, then
is it such a terrible thing for black students to create a cultural refuge for themselves?
 
>> whites dominated the student body and the faculty and they want "a white 
>> cultural center". "Why do they have black colleges?"- All across the country 
>> there are predominately white colleges,
>
>Again, where?

Dumb devil.

Most US colleges are predominately white. Indiana U. is over 90% euro.


>> many are more white than many HBCUs are black, and whites can attend any
>> HBCU if they wanted to,
>
>And Blacks can't attend "predominately white colleges" if they want to? 
>Of course, then they have to put up with the contempt of other Blacks, who
>are upset that they haven't chosen to remain dead-end welfare tycoons and
>drug-lords.

Beelzebubian, your stupity is never ending. I never implied that blacks
can not attend white schools. And that statement regarding "welfare tycoons"
is so foolish, it doesn't merit a response, except that it reflects how
little you know about black people. You watch too much tv, I can tell.
What was your favorite show growing up? Probably the White Shadow, huh?

>> but are just looking for a reason to complain about "those people." But,
>> of course, they always preface themselves with "I am not racist but..."

>You'd be surprised.  A growing number of White people are not running like
>scared rabbits anymore when minorities wield the "racist!" club.

I can tell. Like I have said before, I think that it has been used too
loosely. I think, too, that the media are guilty of adding coals to the
fire of racial tension.

>> I have been harassed by the police anywhere that I live longer than a
>> year, and euros swear up and down that the law is fair. I bet that the
>> pigs that have stopped me, calling me nigger and all that will swear up
>> and down that they are not racist. The proof is in the praxis, not rhetoric, 
>> though.
>
>Wow!  Talk about a loopy conspiracy nut!
>
>Here in Ottawa, we have a Black who protests in front of a shopping mall
>that he is persecuted by (wait for it) "racists", who bet to the grocery
>store before he does, and "poison" the food he buys.  He also tells anyone
>who'll listen that "The Kid" (the guy persecuting him) has pictures of him
>masturbating, and screwing White women.  Are they ALL this nutty?

That guy sounds like a nut alright. But knowing your penchant for spweing 
untruths, I am not likely to believe your story.
The facts are that there are black charletons, who try to get sympathy
for themselves by using the race card, like that clown OJ.
There was a black frat here that had a pledge hostpitalized for getting
hazed so bad. When the university suspended them, some of the clowns
wanted to cry racism. I was sickend that these negroes would attack
other black men with such barbarity and blame euros when the are caught.

>> I would like to know what exactly makes me racist. If this post makes me 
>> racist, well call be that until your blue in the face.  
>
>Les

TCM,

"don't let me catch Darryl Gates in traffic/
I gotta have it/
peel his cap backward"
-Ice Cube



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug  3 05:29:35 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals eat themselves!
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Jamie R. McCarthy (k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu) writes:

(snip)

> By the way, for the record, I'll state that I've heard that the story of
> Bessie Smith being denied medical attention because of her skin color,
> and dying at the hospital, is also an urban legend.  If anyone has any
> information about this, I'd appreciate an email.

Why?  You'll just post it publicly, so why not save a step, and whoever
writes to you can just post it publicly.
 
>>How much longer before the accusations of "racist bastards!" from the
>>nuttier elements of the NOI start flooding the 'Net?
> 
> Les, you're really getting repetitive.  You keep saying, sarcastically,
> "Any time now, the anti-racists are going to start calling _everyone_
> racist!  Pretty soon now!  I can just see it!  They're going to start
> calling people racist for saying ordinary, nonracist things!  Any day
> now!  I can just imagine!"
> 
> Have you ever been correct with one of your predictions?  Can you give
> me an example of such a thing happening here?

Every time I write a message, I KNOW that one of you liberal dweebs will
come up with what you THINK is a witty response, and I've never been
disappointed.

> Or do you just like to hear yourself talk?

Pot.  Kettle.  Black.
 
> In any case, please take your talking out of inappropriate groups like
> soc.culture.canada.

I did.  I notice that YOU didn't; I had to edit the NG line so that s.c.c.
was taken OUT.  But your heroic request will live on in s.c.c., so you can
bask in the glory of being thanked for telling "that nazi bastard Les"
where to get off.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug  3 05:29:38 PDT 1995
Article: 24894 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>    
>    > They haven't been disproven; they've been proven irrelevant. There is no
>    : > correlation between brain size and intelligence.
>    
>    BULLSHIT!!!  Then why would there BE differences in brain size, if the
>    size differences didn't corelate to differences in capacity (ie,
>    intelligence)?
> 
> Why are there differences in foot size, if the size differences do not
> correlate to differences in function (i.e., running speed)?
> 
> Why are there differences in penis size, if these differences do not
> correlate to differences in function (i.e., fertility)?
> 
> Why are there differences in eye color if they don't correlate to
> differences in vision?
> 
> Why are there differences in hair color, amount, and texture, if they do
> not correlate to differences in insulative capacity?

Nice, Raggedy.  Using specious analogies to "disprove" a point.  However,
we're not talking about feet, penises (penii?), or eyes here - we're
talking about BRAINS.  Can you get that into yours?
 
> Answer: Because Homo Sapiens Sapiens is probably the most variable species
> on Earth. Depending on your religious beliefs (or lack thereof), humans
> were designed by the interplay of natural forces, or by an engineer whose
> methods and motives are incomprehensible to the finite human mind. Either
> way, your "form=function" argument is filled with the kind of
> oversimplification that marks all of your "scientific" arguments.

REAL answer:  because Raggedy would rather bite his tongue out than admit
that there's something to racial differences in brain size and structure.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug  3 16:10:31 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: They bed negresses, don't they?
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R THEORIST (rtheorist@aol.com) writes:
> a fellow south carolinian wrote:
> 
>>         It is a sad truth that fornication with negresses is a 
>> practice that is condoned, even encouraged, among southern white men.  I
> 
>> can still hear the schoolyard sayings:  "The blacker the berry, the 
>> sweeter the juice;" "I'm gonna get me some of that brown sugar;" "I'm 
>> gonna eat me some of that dark meat;" and "Black absorbs heat."
> 
>         first of all, i'd like to welcome you to apw-p.  we're glad you're
> here, and it is especially good for me to see a fellow south carolinian 
> here.  as you may have read, for the past week or so i've been trying 
> to explain to rev. ron and to others that having relations with colored 
> gals does not make you at traitor to the white race--that in the south 
> it's an old custom for all white men to do it with colored gals from 
> time to time, some more often than others.

Just because something's an "old custom", doesn't make it right.  Didn't
you guys lose the War of Secession, 1861-1865?  Don't you think maybe that
attitudes like that had something to do with it?

> and it's also something i still ain't completely sworn off, even if i ain't 
> as open about it as i was at one time.

Then you should (swear off it, that is), and now.

>         i notice that you're on scsn, and if you're in columbia i'd like
> to
> extend to you an invitation to meet with some fellow supporters of 
> the white race for a roundtable discussion at Shoney's on Forest 
> Drive this Thursday night at 7:30.  just tell the hostess that you're 
> there to meet with the political group--she knows who we are.
>         (btw--if there are any women present, i guess you know not to 
> say anything about going to bed with colored gals around them.)

The best way to avoid saying anything about it is not to do it.

Les


--
When the state is most corrupt, the laws are most abundant.
		- Tacitus



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug  4 10:27:38 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Steve's SO original! (was: Ken, Ken, Ken...)
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>    Abortion for other than eugenic reasons.
> 
> Who's forcing this?

Nice again, Raggedy.  You state publicly that if they aren't being marched
into abortion clinincs, they aren't being "forced" into it.

Try all the propaganda that one sees that tells people that
abortion-on-demand is normal, and even desirable, if the baby will be a
burden.

>    Negative population growth.
> 
> Who's forcing this?

Ruinous taxation, for one, so that tax-payers (largely Whites) cannot
AFFORD to have more than one or two children.

>    Shunting of kids that they DO have into government-run daycare centres.
>    
> So that they can be blown up by ZOG agents in U-Haul trucks, no doubt.
> FYI, Les, in the US, there are damned few government-run day care centers.

One is too many.  You can bet that they have their fingers in the day care
centers, even if they're "privately" owned and operated.
 
Les


--
When the state is most corrupt, the laws are most abundant.
		- Tacitus



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug  4 21:50:36 PDT 1995
Article: 7304 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Mr. Griwold, The National Alliance, and Head-buckets
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:

(snip)

> His complete blindness, not to mention his inept and embarrassing
> injection of claptrap into the net, can best be explained by
> pointing out that his Ottawa telephone listing is apparently the
> same as that of the Yankee organization, the "National Alliance."

Yeah, so?  Is it a crime to belong to an organization that is
headquartered in the United States?
 
> Apparently, Mr. Griswold is the Canadian representative of this group of
> deluded psychotics. Here's what the ADL had to say about the NA:

Ooh, the ADL!  What an IMPARTIAL source!
 
>        The Holocaust Journal's most disturbing link with white 
>        supremacists comes straight from the pen of Publisher Eric 
>        Muhammad.  In his opening editorial, "The Need for an 
>        Independent Black Press," Muhammad plagiarizes a ubiquitous
>        anti-Semitic flyer produced by the neo-Nazi National Alliance, 
>        "Who Rules America?".  The National Alliance was organized in 1970 
>        out of the remnants of a Willis Carto-controlled, openly neo-Nazi 
>        "Youth for [1968 presidential candidate George] Wallace" movement.  
>        Led by one-time physics professor and ANP officer William Pierce, 
>        the West Virginia-based National Alliance is arguably the largest 
>        openly Nazi group in the United States today. 
>     
>        [...]
>  
>        The National Alliance, which owns 100 shares of AT&T stock, has 
>        also introduced resolutions at shareholders' meetings calling
>        for the abolition of the company's affirmative action policy 
>        because "Black people are intellectually inferior to whites." In 
>        a 1993 comic book aimed at recruiting teenagers to his group, 
>        Pierce wrote, "The reason Blacks are wrecking our civilization in 
>        America is that all civilization is alien to them!  They never 
>        experienced it before our ancestors pulled them out of trees in 
>        Africa and brought them over here to pick cotton 200
>        years ago!" Even "Who Rules America?" gives ventilation to 
>        Pierce's glorification of violence and his anti-Black bigotry.  
>        For example, the National Alliance leader writes of 
>        "Jewish-controlled" entertainment programs that "...a racially 
>        mixed couple will be respected ...as will a take charge' Black 
>        scholar or businessman...On the other hand, a White racist -
>        that is, any racially conscious White person who looks askance
>        at...the rapidly darkening racial situation in America - 
>        is portrayed...as a despicable bigot...or...a dangerous 
>        psychopath... The Jew-controlled entertainment media have taken 
>        the lead in persuading a whole generation that...the character 
>        of the White race is suspect because of a history of
>        oppressing other races; and that any effort by Whites at 
>        racial self-preservation is reprehensible...[T]he fact that so 
>        many White Americans today are so filled with a sense of racial 
>        guilt and self-hatred that they actively seek the death of their 
>        own race is a deliberate consequence of Jewish media control." 
>        Given the violent legacy of Pierce's propaganda, his solution to 
>        the "problem" of "Jewish media control" is an unmistakable call 
>        to terror: "Once we have absorbed and understood the fact of 
>        Jewish media control, it is our inescapable responsibility to do
>        whatever is necessary to break that control.  We must shrink from 
>        nothing in combating this evil power which has fastened its 
>        deadly grip on our people and is injecting its lethal poison into 
>        their minds and souls.  If we fail to destroy it, it certainly 
>        will destroy our race."
>    
> It becomes clear, therefore, that Mr. Griswold may not only be
> wearing a bucket over his head, but may also be wearing blinders,
> ear-plugs and a (woefully inadequate) cork in his mouth.

Kenny, give up these lame attempts to smear me by "revealing" all of my
associations.  The National Alliance doesn't alarm anyone, except
screamy-mimies like you.

"Methinks he dost protest too much."

Les



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R THEORIST (rtheorist@aol.com) writes:
> rev. ron asks:
>  
>> David, if there's nothing wrong with miscegenation and inter-species
>> dating, why won't you talk about it around your white women?   Are you
>> so ashamed of this great and honorable and noble southern tradition???  Not
>> being rude, just asking.
>> 
>> Rev. Ron

Rev. Ron:  There are just some things one doesn't talk about in front of
women.  They're not necessarily wrong, just inappropriate to bring up in
front of women.  One does not, for example, tell jokes of a bawdy nature
in front of women. (This should not be construed as a defense of sleeping
with coloured women, which is BOTH wrong AND inappropriate)
  
>         i don't think i ever said there wasn't nothing wrong with it.  at 
> least i know i never said it was right, because there's something 
> about it that ain't right.  there's something sinful about it even if i 
> don't know exactly what.

Then why do it at all?

> but one thing i do know for sure is that 
> you don't talk about this kind of stuff around white women.  there's 
> a lot of white women around here who won't have nothing to do 
> with you if they find out you've been slipping around with colored 
> gals.

A lot of White men, too.

> a few years back i was fixing to be engaged to this girl who
> found out about what i had been up to on the side, and she never
> spoke another word to me once she found out.  and she also told a 
> lot of other people about it too, which i didn't appreciate.

Tough titty.  If you hadn't been committing blood sin in the first place,
none of that would have happened, now would it have?

>         i know it's sinful, but i also know it doesn't make you a race 
> traitor.

Wanna bet?

> we are not watering down our race--we're watering down 
> theirs,

Bullshit.  White genes are recessive when mixed with the genes of other
races.  Wake up.

Anyhow, did you ever father any piccaninnies with any of these coloured
women?  If not, how did you contribute to the "watering down" of the Black
race?

> and there's a good reason for us to do everything we can to 
> water down other races with white genes.  if having relations with 
> black women made you a race traitor, then we wouldn't have 
> nothing but race traitors around here, including most all the 
> members of the ku klux klan, because they've done it too.  i know,
> because i've asked them at rallies.

Then the KKK is full of hypocritical race-traitors.  Does that mean you
have to be one too?

>         when i was growing up, i never planned on doing
it.  
>         it ain't nothing i'm proud of but i ain't ashamed of it either

You should be ashamed of it.  If nothing else, why did you come blaring in
here with your confession?

> --i just don't want no white woman i know to find out about it.

Well, if you can keep quiet in person like you do here, I don't give you a
snowball's chance in hell.

> long live the white race!

Yeah, sure.

> david padgett, racial mixer

Les



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 (kdb@nando.net) writes:
>> The man is head of the household, the wife is to live in
>>obedience and submission to her master/head/husband.
>>
>>Rev. Ron 
> 
> No way.  A dog is obedient and submissive to it's master.  I'm not a dog.
> I will have the career that I please, vote as I please, and have a equal
> voice in what goes on in my household.  

... and a neurotic, balding, ulcerated, pussy-whipped whimp of a husband.
 
> If you don't like that, go marry some ignorant mindless twit whom you can
> keep barefoot and pregnant.
>
> ************************************************************
> I'm from NC and I have never voted for   *  Karen DenBleyker
> or given support to Senator Jesse Helms. *  kdb@nando.net
> ************************************************************

Les


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                        Ron Wallace:
        Co-Author of Black Wallstreet: A Lost Dream
Chronicles a little-known chapter of African-American History in Oklahoma

                        as told to Ronald E. Childs


        If anyone truly believes that the last April attack on the 
federal building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, was the most tragic bombing 
ever to take place on United States soil, as the media has been widely 
reporting, they're wrong--plain and simple. That's because as even 
dead-lier bomb occurred in that same state nearly 75 years ago. Many 
people in high places would like to forget that it ever happened. 

        Searching under the heading of "riots," "Oklahoma" and "Tulsa" in 
current editions of the World Book Encyclopedia, there is conspicuously 
no mention whatsoever of the Tulsa race riot of 1921, and this omission 
is by no means a surprise, or a rare case. The fact is, onw would also be 
hard-pressed to find documentation of the incident, let alone an accurate 
accounting of it, in any other "scholarly" reference or American history 
book.

        That's precisely the point that noted author, publisher and 
orator Ron Wallace, a Tulsa native, sought to make nearly five years ago 
when he began researching this riot, one of the worst incidents of 
violence ever visited upon people of African descent. Ultimately joined 
on the project by colleague Jay Jay Wilson of Los Angeles, the duo found 
and compiled indisputable evidence of what they now describe as "A Black 
Holocaust in America."

        The date was June 1, 1921, when "Black Wallstreet," the name 
fittingly given to one of the most affluent all-black communities in 
America, was bombed from the air and burned to the ground by mobs of 
envious whites. In a period spanning fewer than 12 hours, a once thriving 
36-black business district in northern Tulsa lay smoldering--A model 
community destroyed, and a major Africa-American economic movement 
resoundingly defused.

        The night's carnage left some 3,000 African Americans dead, and 
over 600 successful businesses lost. Among these were 21 churches, 21 
resturants, 30 grocery stores and two movie theaters, plus a hospital, a 
bank, a post office, libraries, schools, law offices, a half-dozen 
private airplanes and even a bus system. As could be expected, the 
impetus behind it all was the infamous Ku Klux Klan, working in consort 
with ranking city officials, and many other sympathizers.

        In their self-published book, Black Wallstreet: A lost Dream, and 
its companion video documentary, Black Wallstreet: A Black Holocaust in 
America!, the authors have chronicled for the very first time in the 
words of area historians and elderly survivors what really happened there 
on that fateful summer day in 1921 and why it happened. Wallace similarly 
explained to Black Elegance why this bloody event from the turn of the 
century seems to have had a recurring effect that is being felt in 
predominately Black neighborhoods even to this day.


        The best description of Black Wallstreet, or Little Africa as it 
was also known, would be to liken it to a mini-Beverly Hills. It was the 
golden door of the Black community during the early 1900s, and it 
proved that African Americans had successful infrastructure. That's what 
Black Wallstreet was about.

        The dollar circulated 36 to 1000 times, sometimes taking a year 
for currency to leave the community. Now in 1995, a dollar leaves the 
Black community in 15 minutes. As far as resources, there were Ph.D's 
residing in Little Africa, Black attorneys and doctors. One doctor was 
Dr. Berry who also owned the bus system. His average income wa $500 a 
day, a hefty pocket of change in 1910.

        During that era, physicians owned medical schools. There were 
also pawn shops everywhere, brothels, jewelry stores, 21 churches, 21 
resturants and two movie theaters. It was a time when the entire state of 
Oklahoma had only two airports, yet six blacks owned their own planes. It 
was a very fascinating community.

        The area encompassed over 600 businesses and 36 square blocks 
with a population of 15,000 African Americans. ANd when the 
lower-economic Europeans looked over and saw what the Black community 
created, many of them were jealous. When the average student went to 
school on Black Wallstreet, he wore a suit and tie because o the morals 
and respect they were taught at a young age.

        The mainstay of the community was to educate every child. 
Nepotism was the one word they beleived in. And that's what we need to 
get back to in 1995. The main thoroughfare was Greenwood Avenue, and it 
was intersected by Archer and Pine Streets. From the first letters in 
each of those names, yu get G.A.P., and that's where the renowned R&B 
music group The GAP Band got its name. They're from Tulsa.

        Black Wallstreet was a prime example of the typical Black 
community in America that did business, but it was in an unusual 
location. You see, at the time, Oklahoma was set aside to be a Black and 
Indian state. There were over 28 Black townships there. One third of the 
people who traveled in the terrifying "Trail of Tears" along side the 
indians between 1830 to 1842 were Black people.

        The citizens of this proposed Indian and Black state chose a 
Black govenor, a treasurer from Kansas named McDade. But the Ku Klux Klan 
said that if he assumed office that they would kill him within 48 hours. 
A lot of Blacks owned farmland, and many of them had gone into the oil 
business. The community was so tight and wealthy because they traded 
dollars hand-to-hand, and because they were dependent upon one another as 
a result of the Jim Crow laws.

        It was not unusual that if a resident's home accidentally burned 
down, it could be rebult within a few weeks by neighbors. This was the 
type of scenario that was going on day-to-day on Black Wallstreet. When 
Blacks intermarried into the indian culture, some of them received their 
promised '40 acres and a Mule,' and with that came whatever oil was later 
found on the properties.

        Just to show you how wealthy a lot of Black people were, there 
was a banker in a neighboring town who had a wife named California 
Taylor. Her father owned the largest cotton gin west of the Mississippi 
[River]. When California shopped, she would take a cruise to Paris every 
three months to have her clothes made.

        There was also a man named Mason in nearby Wagner County who had 
the largest potato farm west of the Mississippi. When he harvested, he 
would fill 100 boxcars a day. Another brothr not far away had the same 
thing with a spinach farm. The typical family then was five children or 
more, though the typical farm family would have 10 kids or more who made 
up the nucleus of the labor.

        On Black Wallstreet, a lot of global business was conducted. The 
community flourished from the early 1900s until June 1, 1921. That's when 
the largest massacre of non-military Americans in the history of this 
country took place, and it was lead by the Ku Klux Klan. Imagine walking 
out of your front door and seeing 1,500 homes being burned. It must have 
been amazing.

        Survivors we interviewd think that the whole thing was planned 
because during the time that all of this was going on, white families 
with their children stood around on the borders of the community and 
watched the massacre, the looting and everything---much in the same 
manner they would watch a lynching.

        In my lectures I ask people if they understand where the word 
"picnic" comes from. It was typical to have a picnic on a Friday evening 
in Oklahoma. The word was short for "pick a nigger" to lynch. They would 
lynch a Black male and cut off body parts as souvenirs. This went on 
every weekend in this country. That's where the term really came from.

        The riots weren't caused by anything Black or white. It was 
caused by jealousy. A lot of white folks had come back from World War 1 
and they were poor. When they looked over into the Black communities and 
realized that Black men who fought in the war had come home heroes that 
helped trigger the destruction.

        It cost the Black community everything, and not a single dime of 
restitution---no insurance claims--has been awarded to the victims to 
this day. Nonetheless, they rebuilt. We estimate that 1,500 to 3,000 
people were killed and we know that a lot of them were buried in mass 
graves all around the city. SOme were thrown in the river. As a mattre of 
fact, at 21st Street and Yale Avenue, where there now stands a Sears 
parking lot, that corner used to be a coal mine. They threw a lot of the 
bodies into the shafts.

        Black Americans don't know about this story becvause we don't 
apply thw word holocaust to our struggle. Jewish people use the word 
holocaust all the time. White people use the word holocaust. It's 
politically correct to use it. But when we Black folks use the word, 
people think we're being cry babies or that we're trying to bring up old 
issues. No one comes to our support.

        In 1910, our forefathers and mothers owned 13 million acres of 
land at the height of racism in this country, so the Black Wallstreet 
book and videotape prove to  the naysayers and revisionists that we had  
our act together. Our mandate now is to begin to teach our children about 
our own, ongoing Black holocaust. They have to know when they look at our 
communities today that we don't come from this.

        To order a copy of Black Wallstreet, contact Duralon 
Entertainment, Inc., Po Box 2702, Tulsa, Oklahoma 74149; or call 
        1-800-682-7975


-------------------------------end of article----------------------------


_______________________________________________________________________

               All thoughts, all passions, all delights, ....
_______________________________________________________________________

Often in my waking dreams do I

live over again that happy hour,

When midway on the mount I lay,

  Beside that ruined tower.

 - SAMUEL TAYLOR COLERIDGE

 - Love
_______________________________________________________________________




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug  6 15:20:29 PDT 1995
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Steve Garza (sgarza@academic.csubak.edu) writes:
 
Steve originally asked:
>> > What genocide is going on against whites, Les?

Les:
>> Abortion for other than eugenic reasons.  Negative population growth. 
>> Shunting of kids that they DO have into government-run daycare centres.
> 
> Lester, it's whites, blacks, hispanics, and every other color under the
> sun getting abortions.

Steve, in case you hadn't clued in yet:  I don't give two shits about
non-White women having abortions, and I think that they should have even
more.  The Black welfare queen, who squeezes out another piccaninny every
year to increase her AFDC payments (in the States, her child bonus in
Canada) is not just a myth.  ONE White woman having an abortion for other
than pressing genetic reasons is too many.

> To boot, this is not China and it is not being forced on anyone. Besides the 
> people getting the abortions are doing so because they can not afford to have 
> children. 

So why'd they fuck around in the first place?

And don't start with that tired old whine about "rape and incest".  Not
EVERY woman who gets an abortion does so because of rape and/or incest. 
Too many get them because of "convenience".

>> Nope, nope, nope.  White is not the ONLY criteria by which I judge others,
>> but it is ONE of the necessary criterion.
> 
> By the time we get through all of your criteria you probably will only be
> left with less than one half of one percent of the world's population. I
> guess everyone else is skum.

And...?  History is not made by masses, only by significant individuals.

>> > You say there are plenty of Jews left in the world and there is how many? 
>> > About 12,000,000? There are several hundred million whites in the world
>> > Lester. Aren't there plenty of them? Who the fuck is
>> > imposing a genocide on the white race? Look at Latin America. It was raped
>> > by the invasion of the Spaniards and the Indian populations were
>> > decimated. The "white genes" of Europeans have infiltrated every
>> > population group in Latin and South America except for a few isolated
>> > groups in the rain forest. American blacks have also been genetically
>> > modified by whites. So how the fuck can your genes become extinct?!!!!!
>> > Think you idiot bastard.
>> 
>> Oh, boo hoo hoo, them rotten WHITE GUYS fucked up the pristine native
>> world! (Gee, there's ANOTHER one I've never heard before!  Keep it up,
>> Steve:  you're just a FOUNTAIN of originality).
> 
> Any why don't you answer something else. Why are there "too many" Jews in
> the world when their numbers are so low while hundreds of millions of
> whites are not enough and mean they are an "endangered species" or
> something?

You're just BEGGING to hear "anti-semitic" opinions, aren't you?  ONE jew
is too many, in a White society.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug  6 22:23:51 PDT 1995
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 (Rick Jones) writes:
>>  Or how about black momma/black kiddie families with black daddy long
>>  gone...there is something inherent in black men, namely they just don't
>>  have the ability to parent.  Much like the way it is in most of the animal
>>  kingdom.
> 
> Or how about white momma/white kiddie families with white daddy long
> gone...there is something inherent in white men, namely they just don't
> have the ability to parent.  Much like the way it is in most of the animal
> kingdom.

Stupid, yet silly.  True, the divorce rate is high (too high), but one
does NOT see White fathers abandoning their offspring like one sees Black
fathers doing. 

Now go 'way.  There's grown-ups talking.

Les


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Estelle Carol and Bob Simpson (carolsim@mcs.com) writes:
> "Everyone remember when that idiot Martin Luther King was shot and 
> killed?"
> 
> That "idiot" gave his life to better the lives of all Americans. Even 
> yours.

That idiot did NOT "give his life" for any reason.  Sounds like you
believe he STAGED his own assassination to become a martyr.  Gee, being
dead would make it kinda hard to pick up prostitutes, not to mention
plagiarizing.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug  6 22:23:56 PDT 1995
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Lester Toews (mct394@freenet.mb.ca) writes:
> Well what about all those white supremacists who lust after women of 
> African descent?
> 
> I recognize one member of the No Remorse group in Toronto who has
> gone to Filmore's for a table dance by a brown-skinned woman.

And table dance = sexual relations?
 
> One Northern Hammerskin in Madison, Wisc requents two different 
> prostitutes, both of whom are shades of African.

And how many Northern Hammerskins are there in Madison, WA?

> And when Vancouver's Tony McAleer was in Winnipeg in 1990 selling drugs 
> in the Osborne Village I spied him checking out the buttocks of an 
> African-Canadian women bending over to pick up her fallen purse.

Sure, sure...
 
> Then again we all know about the original Klansmen who just loved to rape
> African slaves. If I really felt there was such thing as a seperate race 
> and that such a race were inferior I would not touch them.

Oh, geez, here we go with this crap again.

You guys are so boringly predictable.  Come up with something new, for
crying out loud.

> Just more evidence that at some level even the White Supremacists don't 
> believe their own crap.

And just more evidence that liberals and anti-White racists DO believe
THEIR crap.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: hypocrisy of many blacks
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Kurt Heinzic (bu649@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Everyone remember when that idiot Martin Luther King was shot and killed? 
> What happened after?  Basically a bunch of losers running in the streets,
> burning and destroying things, and acting like the fuckheads they are.  If
> one of todays WP movement leaders was shot, would there be whites running
> in the streets making fools of themselves?  Would we make up leaflets and
> place them on black owned businesses saying that "this store has been shut
> down for blah blah blah reason"?  I think not!!  Maybe a few things might
> get destroyed in reactionary anger, but that's it.  Many average whites
> would probably support the shooting, whereas in the King incident it was
> the "kill whitey" kind of thing.
> 
> There are so many stats and examples of similar hypocrisy, that it would take
> years to get them all down!
> 
> It is time for whites to stop apologizing, and get some pride.  I have the
> words "white, straight, and proud" on my jacket, and just today some
> teenage girls were trying to tell me how "racist" I am.  It is really sick.
> 
> Well liberals, I guess you are now going to flame away and show your
> ignorance as usual, have fun!!!

Oh, you're going to receive a lot of flames from spineless liberal
jellyfish, but I somehow doubt that would bother you.  Of greater concern
should be that Jeanne Kowalewski (sp?) is immediately going to assume that
you are me.

Les


--
When the state is most corrupt, the laws are most abundant.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug  7 18:16:32 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Mangegrrl (mangegrrl@aol.com) writes:
>>> Talk about wrong!!!  The idea that brian size is related to intelligence
>>> was found to be totally wrong long ago.  Some guy (sorry, can't remember
>>> his name) tried to use that argument to show that women and blacks were
>>> inferior because their brains were smaller and he thought that meant that
>>> they were less intelligent.  while it was true that women's heads/brains
>>> were smaller on average, it seems pretty obvious that that's probably
>>> because the rest of women's bodies are generally smaller than men's also. 
>>That was taken into account, Zippy.
> 
> Was it?  Are you sure?  What WAS taken into account in your study 
> Les...actual size of heads, or skin color...

1)  It wasn't MY study.

2)  Of course I'm sure.  Please give them enough credit to at least have
known where the strongest liberal disagreement would have come from
("different body sizes"), and to have designed their studies to meet this
criticism.
 
>>> He went on to discover that there were no consistent differences between
>>> black's and white's brain sizes and he dropped the whole thing pretty
>>> quickly to save himself too much embarrasment.
>>So who was this mysterious "guy"?  I suppose it's vain to think that Kenny
>>McOyVay and his coterie of semitophillic ass-kissers will nail you on your
>>vagueness.
> 
> I think this is a matter of public record, and with a little research 
> you could probably find the answer.  Unlike your sources "a freind of my 
> pet ferret, Mr. Blinky, the invisible dinosaur, told me Hitler was 7' 
> with Blond hair and an immense penis..."  I think it's also a matter of 
> SCIENTIFIC FACT...

I see.  In other words, I have to be content with "some guy", whereas if
*I* make a claim, it has to be footnoted and documented?

Your lame flame about Hitler is pretty pathetic.
 
>>> In the late 1700s, there was a school of thought called phrenology that
>>> posited that by looking at the size and shape of a person's head (which
>>> supposedly was similar to the size and shape of their brain) you could
>>> learn about a person's capacities (intelligence) and personality.  It died
>>> out in the early 1800s because it was just plain wrong.
>>So?  What does phrenology have to do with observable differences between
>>the races?
> 
> They're directly related.  Nazi tactics during WWII to dis-credit 
> Jews...sound farmiliar?  Yeah, the head-shape/size thingy came into 
> style then too.  It was and still is wrong, and juvenile. 

I see.  "It's wrong because the Nazis did it."  Has it ever occurred to
that little pea-brain of yours that the "Natsees" were not the only ones
who accepted the fact that there were racial differences?  People from the
beginning of time have accepted that there were racial differences, and
while the idea may not be 100% right, it's going to take a lot more than
liberals getting hysterical and strident to disprove it.
 
> PS. Les, you never elaborated on where six-million Jews disappeared to!  

Because I neither know, nor care.
 
Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug  7 18:16:36 PDT 1995
Article: 25169 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals? Intelligent? Gimme a BREAK!
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The Avocado Avenger (srm12@ksu.ksu.edu) writes:
> mangegrrl@aol.com (Mangegrrl) writes:
> 
>>Talk about wrong!!!  The idea that brian size is related to intelligence
>>was found to be totally wrong long ago.  Some guy (sorry, can't remember
>>his name) tried to use that argument to show that women and blacks were
>>inferior because their brains were smaller and he thought that meant that
>>they were less intelligent.  while it was true that women's heads/brains
>>were smaller on average, it seems pretty obvious that that's probably
>>because the rest of women's bodies are generally smaller than men's also. 
>>He went on to discover that there were no consistent differences between
>>black's and white's brain sizes and he dropped the whole thing pretty
>>quickly to save himself too much embarrasment.
> 
>   It's something that gets taught almost immediately in anthropolgy 
> courses as well;  there is still a *large* amount of people who think 
> that a large cranial capacity means a lot of intelligence.

That's bull, and you know it.  NOWHERE in anthropology is cranial size
ALONE taught to be an indicator of high intelligence.

Typical liberal tactic:  accuse us of saying what we didn't say, and then
refute it.

> This of course would mean that a lot of pre-Homo sapien ancestry was mighty 
> intelligent, while we would be considered dolts.  :)

Compared to Cro-Magnon man, we probably ARE dolts.

Can you name me ONE "pre-Homo sapien" ancestor who had a cranial capacity
LARGER than ours?  Except for H. neanderthalis, I think you'll fall flat
on your ass on that one.
  
>>In the late 1700s, there was a school of thought called phrenology that
>>posited that by looking at the size and shape of a person's head (which
>>supposedly was similar to the size and shape of their brain) you could
>>learn about a person's capacities (intelligence) and personality.  It died
>>out in the early 1800s because it was just plain wrong.
> 
>   It also looked at the bumps on a person's head, if I remember right.  
> Seeing the charts is a hoot;  apparently there is as much reliability 
> with phrenology as there is with Tarot and Ouija.

So phrenology is about as accurate as Tarot and Ouija.  How does that
reflect on physical anthropology, which any layman can see, has something
to it, and doesn't just concern itself with how big one's cranium is?

Les


--
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug  7 18:16:39 PDT 1995
Article: 25170 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: More liberal lies (was: Raggedy, Raggedy, Raggedy...)
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Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> : > 
> : > Les, please, PLEASE do not start talking about biology.  You're only 
> : > making yourself look worse.
> 
> : Quite the contrary.  I'm punching large holes in what the jewish-liberal
> : media would like us to believe about race. 
> 
> Since when is the relationship between brain size and intelligence a 
> political issue?

Every time you cry-baby leftists accuse us of saying "cranial size is the
ONLY idicator of intelligence".  Get it right.

> And when has the media, jewish, liberal, martian or 
> otherwise ever tried to make an issue out of it, or turn it into a debate?

Appropriate that you mention Mars.  That must be where you're from, if you
honestly can't see what the jewish-liberal media claim about us.
 
> "Large" holes.  Harrumph.  Les, do you honestly think that you are so 
> significant in the world of white power, much less the world in general?  
> Even fellow WP people on other newsgroups have disowned you from the white 
> race.  Get published, then tell me how you're changing the world.

I really don't give two shits what 'Net cruisers do and don't disown.
 
Les


--
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug  7 23:30:17 PDT 1995
Article: 30230 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Mangegrrl (mangegrrl@aol.com) writes:
>>> Talk about wrong!!!  The idea that brian size is related to intelligence
>>> was found to be totally wrong long ago.  Some guy (sorry, can't remember
>>> his name) tried to use that argument to show that women and blacks were
>>> inferior because their brains were smaller and he thought that meant that
>>> they were less intelligent.  while it was true that women's heads/brains
>>> were smaller on average, it seems pretty obvious that that's probably
>>> because the rest of women's bodies are generally smaller than men's also. 
>>That was taken into account, Zippy.
> 
> Was it?  Are you sure?  What WAS taken into account in your study 
> Les...actual size of heads, or skin color...

1)  It wasn't MY study.

2)  Of course I'm sure.  Please give them enough credit to at least have
known where the strongest liberal disagreement would have come from
("different body sizes"), and to have designed their studies to meet this
criticism.
 
>>> He went on to discover that there were no consistent differences between
>>> black's and white's brain sizes and he dropped the whole thing pretty
>>> quickly to save himself too much embarrasment.
>>So who was this mysterious "guy"?  I suppose it's vain to think that Kenny
>>McOyVay and his coterie of semitophillic ass-kissers will nail you on your
>>vagueness.
> 
> I think this is a matter of public record, and with a little research 
> you could probably find the answer.  Unlike your sources "a freind of my 
> pet ferret, Mr. Blinky, the invisible dinosaur, told me Hitler was 7' 
> with Blond hair and an immense penis..."  I think it's also a matter of 
> SCIENTIFIC FACT...

I see.  In other words, I have to be content with "some guy", whereas if
*I* make a claim, it has to be footnoted and documented?

Your lame flame about Hitler is pretty pathetic.
 
>>> In the late 1700s, there was a school of thought called phrenology that
>>> posited that by looking at the size and shape of a person's head (which
>>> supposedly was similar to the size and shape of their brain) you could
>>> learn about a person's capacities (intelligence) and personality.  It died
>>> out in the early 1800s because it was just plain wrong.
>>So?  What does phrenology have to do with observable differences between
>>the races?
> 
> They're directly related.  Nazi tactics during WWII to dis-credit 
> Jews...sound farmiliar?  Yeah, the head-shape/size thingy came into 
> style then too.  It was and still is wrong, and juvenile. 

I see.  "It's wrong because the Nazis did it."  Has it ever occurred to
that little pea-brain of yours that the "Natsees" were not the only ones
who accepted the fact that there were racial differences?  People from the
beginning of time have accepted that there were racial differences, and
while the idea may not be 100% right, it's going to take a lot more than
liberals getting hysterical and strident to disprove it.
 
> PS. Les, you never elaborated on where six-million Jews disappeared to!  

Because I neither know, nor care.
 
Les


--
When the state is most corrupt, the laws are most abundant.
		- Tacitus



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug  7 23:30:22 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals? Intelligent? Gimme a BREAK!
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The Avocado Avenger (srm12@ksu.ksu.edu) writes:
> mangegrrl@aol.com (Mangegrrl) writes:
> 
>>Talk about wrong!!!  The idea that brian size is related to intelligence
>>was found to be totally wrong long ago.  Some guy (sorry, can't remember
>>his name) tried to use that argument to show that women and blacks were
>>inferior because their brains were smaller and he thought that meant that
>>they were less intelligent.  while it was true that women's heads/brains
>>were smaller on average, it seems pretty obvious that that's probably
>>because the rest of women's bodies are generally smaller than men's also. 
>>He went on to discover that there were no consistent differences between
>>black's and white's brain sizes and he dropped the whole thing pretty
>>quickly to save himself too much embarrasment.
> 
>   It's something that gets taught almost immediately in anthropolgy 
> courses as well;  there is still a *large* amount of people who think 
> that a large cranial capacity means a lot of intelligence.

That's bull, and you know it.  NOWHERE in anthropology is cranial size
ALONE taught to be an indicator of high intelligence.

Typical liberal tactic:  accuse us of saying what we didn't say, and then
refute it.

> This of course would mean that a lot of pre-Homo sapien ancestry was mighty 
> intelligent, while we would be considered dolts.  :)

Compared to Cro-Magnon man, we probably ARE dolts.

Can you name me ONE "pre-Homo sapien" ancestor who had a cranial capacity
LARGER than ours?  Except for H. neanderthalis, I think you'll fall flat
on your ass on that one.
  
>>In the late 1700s, there was a school of thought called phrenology that
>>posited that by looking at the size and shape of a person's head (which
>>supposedly was similar to the size and shape of their brain) you could
>>learn about a person's capacities (intelligence) and personality.  It died
>>out in the early 1800s because it was just plain wrong.
> 
>   It also looked at the bumps on a person's head, if I remember right.  
> Seeing the charts is a hoot;  apparently there is as much reliability 
> with phrenology as there is with Tarot and Ouija.

So phrenology is about as accurate as Tarot and Ouija.  How does that
reflect on physical anthropology, which any layman can see, has something
to it, and doesn't just concern itself with how big one's cranium is?

Les


--
When the state is most corrupt, the laws are most abundant.
		- Tacitus



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug  7 23:30:25 PDT 1995
Article: 30233 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: More liberal lies (was: Raggedy, Raggedy, Raggedy...)
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Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> : > 
> : > Les, please, PLEASE do not start talking about biology.  You're only 
> : > making yourself look worse.
> 
> : Quite the contrary.  I'm punching large holes in what the jewish-liberal
> : media would like us to believe about race. 
> 
> Since when is the relationship between brain size and intelligence a 
> political issue?

Every time you cry-baby leftists accuse us of saying "cranial size is the
ONLY idicator of intelligence".  Get it right.

> And when has the media, jewish, liberal, martian or 
> otherwise ever tried to make an issue out of it, or turn it into a debate?

Appropriate that you mention Mars.  That must be where you're from, if you
honestly can't see what the jewish-liberal media claim about us.
 
> "Large" holes.  Harrumph.  Les, do you honestly think that you are so 
> significant in the world of white power, much less the world in general?  
> Even fellow WP people on other newsgroups have disowned you from the white 
> race.  Get published, then tell me how you're changing the world.

I really don't give two shits what 'Net cruisers do and don't disown.
 
Les


--
When the state is most corrupt, the laws are most abundant.
		- Tacitus



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug  7 23:30:35 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Head Jew Contradicts himself
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> In article <400gmt$55a@clam.rutgers.edu>,
> 
> # Bubis is known for his international movement to teach 
> # tolerance for jews, but despises muslims, christians and women. 
> 
> And your evidence that he "despises muslims, christians and women"
> is...?
> 
> Are women allowed to be Kadis (Muslim spiritual leaders?). I think
> not. Does this imply that Muslims "despise women"?
>
Ha ha ha!!!  Has anyone ever DENIED the Muslims are gynephobes?  Oh, the
stories I could relate about the Koran...

> BTW, are women allowed to be Catholic priests? 

But... but didn't Catholics BURN jews during the Inquisition?  Why defend
the practices of your "faith" by comparing it to a faith that persecuted
your ancestors?  

Ah, does their duplicity know no bounds?

Les

--
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		- Tacitus



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug  7 23:32:05 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>> (lzaird@io.org) writes:
>>> Was it?  Are you sure?  What WAS taken into account in your study 
>>> Les...actual size of heads, or skin color...
>>1)  It wasn't MY study.
>
> Aha, but it's defunct, and you're making it your own.  

Is it?  Are you sure?  Is it REALLY defunct, or do you just earnestly wish
that it was so?
 
>>2)  Of course I'm sure.  Please give them enough credit to at least have
>>known where the strongest liberal disagreement would have come from
>>("different body sizes"), and to have designed their studies to meet this
>>criticism.
> 
> I don't think PCness was such an in thing during the 30's and 40's Les.  
> Your argument is based in this decade, but we're talking about a study 
> from like 50 or 60 years ago... Right?

Like I said, if it hasn't been disproven (and "disproven" means more than
you ninnies shrieking), it makes little difference HOW old it is.

PCness doesn't enter into the picture.  Having one's study stand up to
criticism does.
 
>>> I think this is a matter of public record, and with a little research 
>>> you could probably find the answer.  Unlike your sources "a freind of my 
>>> pet ferret, Mr. Blinky, the invisible dinosaur, told me Hitler was 7' 
>>> with Blond hair and an immense penis..."  I think it's also a matter of 
>>> SCIENTIFIC FACT...
>>I see.  In other words, I have to be content with "some guy", whereas if
>>*I* make a claim, it has to be footnoted and documented?
> 
> Well when it's a well known and public fact, yeah! When you're claiming 
> all sorts of crazy shit, and contradicting yourself at every turn, 
> THAT'S when we start asking for sources.  If I suddenly come out and say 
> "Elvis is alive, and with aliens..."  People may ask me for proof.

But I'm not saying anything about Elvis.  I'm talking about White vs Negro
cranial capacity and brain size, and how it is ONE FACTOR in determining
intelligence.
 
>>> They're directly related.  Nazi tactics during WWII to dis-credit 
>>> Jews...sound farmiliar?  Yeah, the head-shape/size thingy came into 
>>> style then too.  It was and still is wrong, and juvenile. 
>>I see.  "It's wrong because the Nazis did it."  Has it ever occurred to
>>that little pea-brain of yours that the "Natsees" were not the only ones
>>who accepted the fact that there were racial differences?  People from the
>>beginning of time have accepted that there were racial differences, and
>>while the idea may not be 100% right, it's going to take a lot more than
>>liberals getting hysterical and strident to disprove it.
> 
> It's wrong because people realised it's wrong way back in the middle 
> ages.  I'll quote James Burke when he said (on a show called Connections)
> 
> 	"It's all well and fine when people with big heads are smart, 
> but what about the people with big heads who are stupid?"

Can you name me a group of people with big heads who ARE stupid, then?
 
> Yes, people HAVE accepted it, and it's based on skin color.  If you can 
> tell me ONE thing, that an individual Black man can't do, that an 
> individual White man can do, I'll post Nazi propaganda for a month.  
> 
> (Les HAS and WILL avoid this challenge like the plague, as he has done 
> before.)
> 
> Go ahead Les, answer the question.  And I don't want to hear rhetoric 
> about mud-huts.. I want one-on-one examples.  The average White man Vs. 
> The Average Black man.  All fact.  Name ONE thing.

Create an alphabet.  Create a numbers system.  Create higher math (ie,
higher than "one, two, many").  Create... Oh, why bother?  You'll just
come back now with "but those were the creations of a SPECIFIC FEW within
the White race!", never realizing that the entire Black race couldn't
produce the specific few required to create such things.

I don't care about you posting Nazi, or any other, propaganda, for a
month.  You're valuable right where you are, babbling on about "We Are The
World", because it shows, better than I ever could, what idiots are on the
"other side" of the debate.
 
Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: McOyVay the masochist! (was: >>>Lemire's Revisionist BS: The Lie
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Ken McVay (kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net) writes:
> In article <3vt1s4$rtn@inforamp.net>, Marc LemireLemire continues his
> repetition of a lie:
> 
>>                            DIGITAL FREEDOM BBS
>>                  NOT FOR THE POLITICALLY CORRECT TYPES!!!
>>
>>         NOW OVER 50 MEGS OF REVISIONIST PICTURES AND TEXT FILES!!!
>>              including picture files of ERNST ZUNDEL'S house
>>          which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance       
> 
> Mr. Lemire apparently has difficulty relating to Canada's legal
> system, as he continues to assert that the "Jewish Armed Resistance"
> (an apparently non-existent, long-defunct group) was responsible
> for the Zundel arson.

(snip - blah, blah, blah.  Tons of McOyVay blather deleted)

Funny, that.  A Revisionist gets his house torched by a party, or parties,
unknown, and you rush to their defense with "innocent until proven
guilty".  Yet, EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE of White on non-White violence is a
"neoNazi" plot.  Am I the only one who smells "double standard" around here?

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug  7 23:32:58 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Liberals have brains?  Gimme a BREAK!
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The Avocado Avenger (srm12@ksu.ksu.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>The Avocado Avenger (srm12@ksu.ksu.edu) writes:
>>> mangegrrl@aol.com (Mangegrrl) writes:
> 
>>>   It's something that gets taught almost immediately in anthropolgy 
>>> courses as well;  there is still a *large* amount of people who think 
>>> that a large cranial capacity means a lot of intelligence.
> 
>>That's bull, and you know it.  NOWHERE in anthropology is cranial size
>>ALONE taught to be an indicator of high intelligence.
> 
>   I clarified once, I'll do it again:  people think a big brain means lots
> of smarts.  This is wrong.  In anth. classes (I took five basic,
> "Introductory" classes;  they expect you to know this in the advanced
> classes) they teach you that a large cranial capacity does NOT mean you
> are automatically smart.

Nobody believes that a large cranium ALONE is indicative of high
intelligence;  please give a little credit.  Anyone interested enough in
anthropology to discuss it will know that sulcification of the brain is
also important.

>   If you include a "yet" in front of "there is still a *large*...", my 
> paragraph makes more sense.  At any rate, I did clarify this after 
> realizing it was confusing to read.
> 
>>Typical liberal tactic:  accuse us of saying what we didn't say, and then
>>refute it.
> 
>   Les, you misunderstood or misread and ignored my clarification.  Stop 
> making a fucking ass out of yourself.

Nope.  I just took at face-value what you had said.  If you don't like
being confronted with opposing viewpoints, shut yer yap.
   
>>> This of course would mean that a lot of pre-Homo sapien ancestry was mighty 
>>> intelligent, while we would be considered dolts.  :)
> 
>>Compared to Cro-Magnon man, we probably ARE dolts.
> 
>>Can you name me ONE "pre-Homo sapien" ancestor who had a cranial capacity
>>LARGER than ours?  Except for H. neanderthalis, I think you'll fall flat
>>on your ass on that one.
> 
>   You caught me without my books, Les.  Let me just say that I'm 
> referring to Homo erectus I think;  if someone can correct or verify what 
> I said before I drag the damned texts up here then please do.  At any 
> rate, when I do show up with the correct info, Les will just say they're 
> liberal books and are lying.  I only recall one ancestor (and I didn't 
> count the neanderthals like you did) having an average cranial capacity 
> larger than ours, but this might be wrong.

"Caught me without my books".  You won't find it in ANY books, because
other than Cro-Magnon man, NO ancestor of man had a larger cranium than
homo sapiens.  "Homo erectus", my ass.
   
(snip)
 
>>So phrenology is about as accurate as Tarot and Ouija.  How does that
>>reflect on physical anthropology, which any layman can see, has something
>>to it, and doesn't just concern itself with how big one's cranium is?
> 
>   Physical anthropology is the same as feeling the bumps on a persons 
> skull?  How the bloody hell did you come up with that?

I didn't.  YOU were the one who was trying to discount physical
anthropology by taking a sly dig at it by mentioning phrenology.

Les


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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>> (lzaird@io.org) writes:
>>> Was it?  Are you sure?  What WAS taken into account in your study 
>>> Les...actual size of heads, or skin color...
>>1)  It wasn't MY study.
>
> Aha, but it's defunct, and you're making it your own.  

Is it?  Are you sure?  Is it REALLY defunct, or do you just earnestly wish
that it was so?
 
>>2)  Of course I'm sure.  Please give them enough credit to at least have
>>known where the strongest liberal disagreement would have come from
>>("different body sizes"), and to have designed their studies to meet this
>>criticism.
> 
> I don't think PCness was such an in thing during the 30's and 40's Les.  
> Your argument is based in this decade, but we're talking about a study 
> from like 50 or 60 years ago... Right?

Like I said, if it hasn't been disproven (and "disproven" means more than
you ninnies shrieking), it makes little difference HOW old it is.

PCness doesn't enter into the picture.  Having one's study stand up to
criticism does.
 
>>> I think this is a matter of public record, and with a little research 
>>> you could probably find the answer.  Unlike your sources "a freind of my 
>>> pet ferret, Mr. Blinky, the invisible dinosaur, told me Hitler was 7' 
>>> with Blond hair and an immense penis..."  I think it's also a matter of 
>>> SCIENTIFIC FACT...
>>I see.  In other words, I have to be content with "some guy", whereas if
>>*I* make a claim, it has to be footnoted and documented?
> 
> Well when it's a well known and public fact, yeah! When you're claiming 
> all sorts of crazy shit, and contradicting yourself at every turn, 
> THAT'S when we start asking for sources.  If I suddenly come out and say 
> "Elvis is alive, and with aliens..."  People may ask me for proof.

But I'm not saying anything about Elvis.  I'm talking about White vs Negro
cranial capacity and brain size, and how it is ONE FACTOR in determining
intelligence.
 
>>> They're directly related.  Nazi tactics during WWII to dis-credit 
>>> Jews...sound farmiliar?  Yeah, the head-shape/size thingy came into 
>>> style then too.  It was and still is wrong, and juvenile. 
>>I see.  "It's wrong because the Nazis did it."  Has it ever occurred to
>>that little pea-brain of yours that the "Natsees" were not the only ones
>>who accepted the fact that there were racial differences?  People from the
>>beginning of time have accepted that there were racial differences, and
>>while the idea may not be 100% right, it's going to take a lot more than
>>liberals getting hysterical and strident to disprove it.
> 
> It's wrong because people realised it's wrong way back in the middle 
> ages.  I'll quote James Burke when he said (on a show called Connections)
> 
> 	"It's all well and fine when people with big heads are smart, 
> but what about the people with big heads who are stupid?"

Can you name me a group of people with big heads who ARE stupid, then?
 
> Yes, people HAVE accepted it, and it's based on skin color.  If you can 
> tell me ONE thing, that an individual Black man can't do, that an 
> individual White man can do, I'll post Nazi propaganda for a month.  
> 
> (Les HAS and WILL avoid this challenge like the plague, as he has done 
> before.)
> 
> Go ahead Les, answer the question.  And I don't want to hear rhetoric 
> about mud-huts.. I want one-on-one examples.  The average White man Vs. 
> The Average Black man.  All fact.  Name ONE thing.

Create an alphabet.  Create a numbers system.  Create higher math (ie,
higher than "one, two, many").  Create... Oh, why bother?  You'll just
come back now with "but those were the creations of a SPECIFIC FEW within
the White race!", never realizing that the entire Black race couldn't
produce the specific few required to create such things.

I don't care about you posting Nazi, or any other, propaganda, for a
month.  You're valuable right where you are, babbling on about "We Are The
World", because it shows, better than I ever could, what idiots are on the
"other side" of the debate.
 
Les


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The Avocado Avenger (srm12@ksu.ksu.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>The Avocado Avenger (srm12@ksu.ksu.edu) writes:
>>> mangegrrl@aol.com (Mangegrrl) writes:
> 
>>>   It's something that gets taught almost immediately in anthropolgy 
>>> courses as well;  there is still a *large* amount of people who think 
>>> that a large cranial capacity means a lot of intelligence.
> 
>>That's bull, and you know it.  NOWHERE in anthropology is cranial size
>>ALONE taught to be an indicator of high intelligence.
> 
>   I clarified once, I'll do it again:  people think a big brain means lots
> of smarts.  This is wrong.  In anth. classes (I took five basic,
> "Introductory" classes;  they expect you to know this in the advanced
> classes) they teach you that a large cranial capacity does NOT mean you
> are automatically smart.

Nobody believes that a large cranium ALONE is indicative of high
intelligence;  please give a little credit.  Anyone interested enough in
anthropology to discuss it will know that sulcification of the brain is
also important.

>   If you include a "yet" in front of "there is still a *large*...", my 
> paragraph makes more sense.  At any rate, I did clarify this after 
> realizing it was confusing to read.
> 
>>Typical liberal tactic:  accuse us of saying what we didn't say, and then
>>refute it.
> 
>   Les, you misunderstood or misread and ignored my clarification.  Stop 
> making a fucking ass out of yourself.

Nope.  I just took at face-value what you had said.  If you don't like
being confronted with opposing viewpoints, shut yer yap.
   
>>> This of course would mean that a lot of pre-Homo sapien ancestry was mighty 
>>> intelligent, while we would be considered dolts.  :)
> 
>>Compared to Cro-Magnon man, we probably ARE dolts.
> 
>>Can you name me ONE "pre-Homo sapien" ancestor who had a cranial capacity
>>LARGER than ours?  Except for H. neanderthalis, I think you'll fall flat
>>on your ass on that one.
> 
>   You caught me without my books, Les.  Let me just say that I'm 
> referring to Homo erectus I think;  if someone can correct or verify what 
> I said before I drag the damned texts up here then please do.  At any 
> rate, when I do show up with the correct info, Les will just say they're 
> liberal books and are lying.  I only recall one ancestor (and I didn't 
> count the neanderthals like you did) having an average cranial capacity 
> larger than ours, but this might be wrong.

"Caught me without my books".  You won't find it in ANY books, because
other than Cro-Magnon man, NO ancestor of man had a larger cranium than
homo sapiens.  "Homo erectus", my ass.
   
(snip)
 
>>So phrenology is about as accurate as Tarot and Ouija.  How does that
>>reflect on physical anthropology, which any layman can see, has something
>>to it, and doesn't just concern itself with how big one's cranium is?
> 
>   Physical anthropology is the same as feeling the bumps on a persons 
> skull?  How the bloody hell did you come up with that?

I didn't.  YOU were the one who was trying to discount physical
anthropology by taking a sly dig at it by mentioning phrenology.

Les


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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : > another.  it was: can you name one thing that a SINGLE, average white man
> : > can do that a SINGLE, average black man can't?
> 
> : 1)  Stay out of prison.
> 
> : 2)  Not get addicted to crack.
> 
> : 3)  Not commit drive-by shootings.
> 
> : 4)  Not turn his living space into a fucking pig-sty.
> 
> 	Ahh Les... I've missed you since my net access became wonky.  
> (I'm still getting settled in here in New York City, that hotbed of 
> multiculturalism and Jews).  It's always good to see your enlightened and 
> rational comments.
> 
> 	But you are aware, are you not, that in its earliest incarnation 
> "crack" (aka freebase cocaine) was popular not among poor blacks but 
> among wealthy whites? And that "drive-by shootings" were first begun in 
> the "Roaring Twenties" by gangsters, the vast majority of whom were 
> white?  (Or is Al Capone a member of the Tonya Harding "Not Really 
> White" club).  

Like I've said before, Kevin, it took Blacks to take a White technique
("drive-by shootings"),  and perfect it.  Now, nigger drive-bys are MUCH
more effective at killing large numbers of innocent bystanders than the
"Roaring Twenties" types.

I also notice that you avoided entirely issues #1 and #4.  Because any
attempt to refute them (niggers in prison, and turning projects into
dumps) is too much for even you, a die-hard liberal, to try to refute?

> : > but since you bring it up, have you heard of the egyptians?
  
> : Geez.  Are we gonna go through another round of "'Gyptians was BLACK,
> : man!"  Yeah, tell us how the designers of the pyramids all looked like
> : O.J. Simpson.
> 
> 	Could you explain why many of the statues found in the pyramids 
> had classically Negroid features (i.e. thick lips, flat noses?) Or why 
> many of the figures painted on the walls of the Pyramids and other 
> Egyptian monuments had dark brown skin?

Negroid features on statues:  slaves.  Yes, some of the later dynasties
had Negro blood in them.  One could tell, too:  they hardly had the
creative powers and organizational genius that the earlier dynasties
possessed.

Egypt spanned many thousands of years.  Please don't try to tell us that
the people who originated that great empire were the same ones as
currently squat on the banks of the Nile, making mud-pies.

> 	I know that it's frowned upon to post binary files in non-binary 
> newsgroups, but I hope everyone will forgive me if in this case I make an 
> exception.  A friend of mine has a color scanner; when I find some 
> pictures of various monuments, paintings, etc. which would in fact suggest
> that the Egyptians (or at least some of the Egyptians) were black, I will 
> be more than happy to produce .gif files of same, together with a cite 
> listing where it comes from and the publication from which I took it.  
> 
> 	I will be interested in seeing Les's explanation for these 
> Black-appearing Egyptians.  While he's explaining that, perhaps he can 
> also answer Ken McVay's "Eight (or is it nine or ten now) Questions."  Of 
> course, I'm not holding my breath.  Les's posting style relates to 
> civilized and rational debate like professional wrestling relates to 
> Olympic wrestling.  Rather than presenting his views for analysis and 
> commentary, Les appears content to be "Andre the Bigot"... or was that 
> "The Masked Aryan?"

Like I said, Kevvie, slaves.  The Egyptians WERE known to keep the odd one
or two from time to time.

Les


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Subject: We should put Lemire and McOyVay in a hamper...
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... and shake it.  Seriously, c'mon, guys, use your fucking text editors! 
How likely do you think it is that someone is going to READ your verbal
diarrhea, especially when after ONE screen they see that there are 49 more
to go?

Les

--
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 08:08:16 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Like I've said before, Kevin, it took Blacks to take a White technique
> : ("drive-by shootings"),  and perfect it.  Now, nigger drive-bys are MUCH
> : more effective at killing large numbers of innocent bystanders than the
> : "Roaring Twenties" types.
> 
> : I also notice that you avoided entirely issues #1 and #4.  Because any
> : attempt to refute them (niggers in prison, and turning projects into
> : dumps) is too much for even you, a die-hard liberal, to try to refute?
> 
> 	I also noted that you avoided entirely my refutation of #2 (Crack 
> cocaine being originally popular among welathy whites)... but anyway.  

Oh, gimme a break.  Do you really, honestly think that anyone here
BELIEVES that shit?

> There are indeed a large number of blacks in prison... this may have to 
> do with several factors.  

Maybe there are so many Blacks in prison because they're GUILTY?
 
> 	One could attempt to explain this by stating that blacks are 
> somehow more violent than whites.

Bingo.  See, that wasn't hard, was it?

> One could also explain this by stating that the population of prisons is
> drawn disproportionately from the poor classes.  (Rich people tend to commit 
> "white collar" crimes, for which they are far less likely to be sent to 
> prison.

Not true!  Blacks are three times more likely than Whites to commit "white
collar" crime.

> 	I don't have the numbers handy,

Gee, a statement like THAT from me usually elicits "you're a liar!" from
the usual flaccid jews and semitophiles.  Strangely, you can get away with it.

> but I would venture to say there is a fair correlation between the
> percentage of blacks living in poverty 
> and the percentage of blacks in prison.  Whether poverty is the result of 
> genetic inferiority or racism is of course debatable.  We already know 
> your answer to the question, and I already know mine.  

Blah-de-blah-de-blah... "poverty causes crime, there's NO other cause!" 
Cripes, you make me sick with your disregarding of what's right in front
of your eyes.

> 	Also: there is a definite correlation between race and severity 
> of sentencing, which has been shown in several studies.  In other words: 
> a white man who commits a crime is less likely to be sent to prison, and 
> will most likely be sent for less time, than a black man who has 
> committed the same crime.  If you'd like I'll hit the library when I get 
> a chance (I'm rather busy at my new job and am in fact posting from there 
> in a spare moment, but I will try to arrange the time) and post 
> corroborating evidence to back this up.

Oh, please.  Been spending too much time at the "Save Mumia Abu-Jamal!"
protests?

> 	In other words; racism does indeed account for at least some of 
> the disproportionate number of African-Americans in prison.

Never denied that it did account for PART of the difference.  But it
really makes me snicker to see spineless jellyfish arguinig that racism,
and racism ALONE, accounts for the number of "African-Americans" in prison.

> 	And regarding your claim about "pig stys."  If you're ever in New 
> York you should visit the "Tenement Museum" on the Lower East Side.  It 
> will give you an idea of the truly filthy and vile conditions in which 
> immmigrants lived during the 19th and early 20th century.  And guess 
> what, Les... most of those immigrants were white.  (Irish, Italian, and 
> Slavic, to be more precise).  

And a lot of them were jewish, too.
 
> 	I pointed out once before that I've seen some pretty nasty and 
> filthy trailer parks in my day.  You claimed that this was "not the way 
> most white people lived."  And yet you seem convinced that most blacks 
> live in projects.

They don't?

> (The office manager at my job lives in a nice apartment in Brooklyn, and I 
> dare say she draws a better salary than you do... and guess what, Les... 
> she's BLACK!!!!

Ain't Affirmative Action wonderful?

> And no, she isn't here because of "quotas;" she's here because she does a
> damn good job.  As a matter of fact, she just got promoted and I took her
> previous position). 

And you know for a FACT that she's not an AfAm Special?  And you'd NEVER
lie about THAT, right?

 	Let me guess... it's because she has White blood, right?
> 
> : Negroid features on statues:  slaves.  Yes, some of the later dynasties
> : had Negro blood in them.  One could tell, too:  they hardly had the
> : creative powers and organizational genius that the earlier dynasties
> : possessed.
> 
> 	Akhenaton was a slave? The "Hyksos" Dynasty were slaves? 

No.  The Hyksos were Mongoloids.

> : > 	I will be interested in seeing Les's explanation for these 
> : > Black-appearing Egyptians.  While he's explaining that, perhaps he can 
> : > also answer Ken McVay's "Eight (or is it nine or ten now) Questions."  Of 
> : > course, I'm not holding my breath.  Les's posting style relates to 
> : > civilized and rational debate like professional wrestling relates to 
> : > Olympic wrestling.  Rather than presenting his views for analysis and 
> : > commentary, Les appears content to be "Andre the Bigot"... or was that 
> : > "The Masked Aryan?"
> 
> : Like I said, Kevvie, slaves.  The Egyptians WERE known to keep the odd one
> : or two from time to time.
> 
> 	And like I said, Les: Akhenaton.  Also, the height of the 
> Egyptian empire came when the "Upper" and "Lower" kingdoms were joined... 
> and that means them "darkies" from Nubia were behind many of those 
> achievements.  

Oh, cripes, here we go.  "'Gyptians was BLACK, man!"  Where DO you come up
with this shit (not just you, Kevvie, but all of these negrophiles)?

> 	From where do you think the Egyptians who built the Sphinx, the 
> Pyramids, and Luxor came? Europe? Or Africa?

NORTH Africa.  There's a considerable difference, Kevin.  But I think I
see your problem.  Now listen up:  African does NOT automatically mean
black as midnight in a coal mine.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 12:26:29 PDT 1995
Article: 30609 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: What Does Racial Superiority Mean?
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JWCCTI1 (jwccti1@aol.com) writes:
> forman@ix.netcom.com (Frank Forman) wrote:
> 
>> [mid-sentence...]
>> I do wonder what you mean when you deny the
>> superiority of some races over others *in the
>> present*. I see it get denounced all the time,
>> but I'm not sure what it is that is being
>> denounced.
> 
> What DO you mean by racial superiority?  
> 
> Look at the successes of the present wave of 
> immigrants to this country from southern, 
> southeast, and east Asia.  

Why are southern, southeast, and east Asia such hell-holes?

> We live in a time where the National Spelling Bee is 
> won by a Vietnamese immigrant, whose family escaped
> from Vietnam in a leaky boat.  Those Viets get all
> the breaks, don't they?  Heck, they didn't have to
> learn a new alphabet when they took up English.

You got it.  All the hard work of building's already been done.

> Or find a convenience store in Los Angeles 
> that isn't owned a hard-working
> Korean, Pakistani, Indian or Lebanese family, which
> isn't already planning on opening their third or
> fourth store.  Hey, it's not our fault that the
> arrivistes don't bring dysfunctional families.
> 
> And my folks, the arrivistes of yesterday who
> came from eastern and southern Europe.  A lot
> of native types thought THEY were racially 
> inferior.  Just to make sure those eastern
> Euopean types didn't downgrade the superior
> native "stock" (I love that word! - Mooo), the 
> Ivies had to put caps on the numbers they
> would let in.  In the Thirties, the Elis were in 
> danger of being overrun with these inferior 
> arrivistes.  
>
> Say, superior race boy, am I writing over your head?
> What's an Eli?
> 
> J.C.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 17:08:49 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lizard's jingoism! (was: But what the jews can't stand...)
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Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Then you don't know shit.  The U.S. got into WWII because of Pearl Harbour
> : (remember that one?).  They declared war on the Japs, and Hitler,
> : following the terms of the Pact of Steel, declared war on the States. 
> : Britain getting its ass kicked all over Europe had nothing to do with it.
> 
> It's always fun to read Lestory.
> 
> If the US only got involved because Germany was forced to declare war on 
> it following Pearl Harbor, why were US and German ships sinking each 
> other during the fall of 1941, up to two months before Pearl Harbor 
> began?

U.S. ships were firing on German ships before a formal declaration of war,
because Gimpy Roosevelt wanted war with them, to follow the dictates of
the jewish claque around him (Brandeis, Frankfurter, Morgenthau, etc.) 
The Germans, as Aryans, did not respond to the low and base provocation of
Rosenfeld.

> Why was the US supplying Britain with FREE military aid (that's 
> what lend-Lease added up to, as Britain couldn't afford to pay at the 
> time) during 1941?  Why did the US agree to use its OWN ships to convoy 
> this aid to Britain, in strict violation of neutrality provisions?  I 
> mean, really, if US involvement in the European theater appeared out of 
> thin air following Germany's declaration of war on the US, how do you 
> explain all these events which occurred PRIOR to December 7, 1941?

The States (ie, Roosevelt) wanted to get in on the Germany-bashing, in
accord with the desires of the jews.  I never said that the United States
wasn't provoking Germany prior to Dec. 7, 1941;  I said that they used the
Pearl Harbour fiasco as a pretext to get involved.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 17:08:58 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: What Does Racial Superiority Mean?
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JWCCTI1 (jwccti1@aol.com) writes:
> forman@ix.netcom.com (Frank Forman) wrote:
> 
>> [mid-sentence...]
>> I do wonder what you mean when you deny the
>> superiority of some races over others *in the
>> present*. I see it get denounced all the time,
>> but I'm not sure what it is that is being
>> denounced.
> 
> What DO you mean by racial superiority?  
> 
> Look at the successes of the present wave of 
> immigrants to this country from southern, 
> southeast, and east Asia.  

Why are southern, southeast, and east Asia such hell-holes?

> We live in a time where the National Spelling Bee is 
> won by a Vietnamese immigrant, whose family escaped
> from Vietnam in a leaky boat.  Those Viets get all
> the breaks, don't they?  Heck, they didn't have to
> learn a new alphabet when they took up English.

You got it.  All the hard work of building's already been done.

> Or find a convenience store in Los Angeles 
> that isn't owned a hard-working
> Korean, Pakistani, Indian or Lebanese family, which
> isn't already planning on opening their third or
> fourth store.  Hey, it's not our fault that the
> arrivistes don't bring dysfunctional families.
> 
> And my folks, the arrivistes of yesterday who
> came from eastern and southern Europe.  A lot
> of native types thought THEY were racially 
> inferior.  Just to make sure those eastern
> Euopean types didn't downgrade the superior
> native "stock" (I love that word! - Mooo), the 
> Ivies had to put caps on the numbers they
> would let in.  In the Thirties, the Elis were in 
> danger of being overrun with these inferior 
> arrivistes.  
>
> Say, superior race boy, am I writing over your head?
> What's an Eli?
> 
> J.C.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 17:09:02 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Lizard is a twit!
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:

(snip)
 
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>> (lzaird@io.org) writes:
>>> In article ,
>>> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>>>... is that anyone else suffered like they did.  Shit, man, WWII was
>>>>fought to PROTECT the jews, don't you know that?  No other reason exists
>>>>(or at least, no other reason is valid).  If you aren't fighting FOR
>>>>jewish interests, you must be opposed to jewish interests.
> 
> < exclusively to protect the Jews...>>

That was sarcasm.  I was pointing out what the jews want us to believe
about the "crusade in Europe".

>>> 	As far as I know, the only the U.S. got involved in the war 
>>> against the Nazis is because the U.K. was getting into trouble...they 
>>> knew about the Jewsish percecution long before they got involved.  It's 
>>> only later that they saw the real devistation.
> 
> < fact that the Nazis declared war on 'em.>>
>   
>>Then you don't know shit.  The U.S. got into WWII because of Pearl Harbour
>>(remember that one?).  They declared war on the Japs, and Hitler,
>>following the terms of the Pact of Steel, declared war on the States. 
>>Britain getting its ass kicked all over Europe had nothing to do with it.

The first part (where I was talking about "saving the jews") was sarcasm,
Lizzie.  Guess it went straight over your head.

Tell me, what's it like being the first (presumably) human being to live
without a brain?

> <>
> 
> DING DING DING DING!  Well, Les, it looks like you're the winner of our 
> bonus round...

Les

--
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more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 17:09:05 PDT 1995
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>    And, um, er, isn't Christianity a SEMITIC religion?  Or am I horribly
>    mistaken?
> 
> A religion of semitic origin, practiced mostly by europeans. Your point?

I think you've just made it for me.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 17:09:26 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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Mangegrrl (mangegrrl@aol.com) writes:
> oh, yeah - forgot one:
> 
> - you are still missing the point of the challange.  the question was not
> to compare the accomplishments of one group to the accomplishments of
> another.  it was: can you name one thing that a SINGLE, average white man
> can do that a SINGLE, average black man can't?

1)  Stay out of prison.

2)  Not get addicted to crack.

3)  Not commit drive-by shootings.

4)  Not turn his living space into a fucking pig-sty.

> but since you bring it up, have you heard of the egyptians?

Geez.  Are we gonna go through another round of "'Gyptians was BLACK,
man!"  Yeah, tell us how the designers of the pyramids all looked like
O.J. Simpson.

Les



--
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		- Tacitus



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 17:09:31 PDT 1995
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Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:

(snip)

>> > I'm not even gonna ask Lester to name those "many historians", as
>> > something tells me that their names are all going to sound something
>> > like Willis Carto, and their organizations are all going to have names
>> > like "The Institute for Historical Review"...
> 
>> So?  I notice that you MENTION Willis Carto and the IHR, but you don't
>> bother to refute what's said.  Typical jewish tactic.
> 
> I didn't refute what was said for a simple reason.  If I were to
> refute every single stupid thing you said, Lester, I'd spend my life
> in front of a computer.  Frankly, I have better things to do with my
> time.  So, rather than refute your every claim, I think I'm gonna
> stick to refuting only those for which you have *some* semblance of
> proof.  That way, my workload gets cut by half!  So you go ahead and
> name those historians, Lester, and I'll think about spending some time
> on you...

Translation:  the rabbis taught me to be as slippery as an eel, make an
allegation, then dance all around it.
 
>> The J.A.P. is typically a bitchy, shrewish, arguably female creature.  I
>> don't know ONE joke about a J.A.P. that is even REMOTELY flattering to
>> them (and I know plenty).  What *are* you trying to say here?
> 
> That's my point, Lester.  J.A.P. is a term for a spoiled brat--hence
> the "princess".  It's also a term used mostly (though admittedly not
> solely) by people like your prejudiced self.  However, you claimed
> earlier that Jewish men are the *only* men *known* for treating their
> women like chattel.

Sorry, my mistake.  ALL non-White men aren't exactly known for being nice
to their female counterparts (ie, foot binding in China, sutee in India).

> What I want to know, is if Jewish women are treated so badly, where did the 
> term J.A.P. come from?  I mean, both ideas come from the same anti-Semitic 
> source as derogatory statements about Jews, yet they contradict each other 
> outright.

Not really.  Jewish women are neurotic bitches, insecure about themselves
in the extreme.  That would explain their obsession with jewelry and furs.

> So Lester, as I asked earlier--which do you choose?  Are Jewish women spoiled, 
> or are they treated like shit?

Since you're so magnanimous, I choose both.  J.A.P.s are spoiled little
brats, and jewish women are treated like shit.  Just because they can
adopt all sorts of gross materialism in this day and age, doesn't change
the edicts in their oh-so-wonderful "religion".

Les


--
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		- Tacitus



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 17:09:34 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: What the jews can't stand... (and neither can Jenn, it seems)
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Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
>> ... is that anyone else suffered like they did.  Shit, man, WWII was
>> fought to PROTECT the jews, don't you know that?  No other reason exists
>> (or at least, no other reason is valid).  If you aren't fighting FOR
>> jewish interests, you must be opposed to jewish interests.
> 
> Hmmm...what a surprise--Les conjures up a statement supposedly
> representing my views out of thin air...how *different*.

Wow!  Jenn and jew are now synonymous!
 
> I never said anything that even remotely suggested that I was only out
> to protect the interests of other Jews.  My point,
> Les-than-perceptive, was a personal one to Teri.

If your point was so personal, why didn't you send it via e-mail, stupid?
 
> If, however, you insist on hearing my views of Holocaust remembrance: 
> Yes, I believe in Holocaust education, and in nagging idiots like
> yourself with reminders of the Holocaust, because I feel that it is
> important to remember the atrocities that went on, including the
> torture and attempted genocide of many peoples--including, but not
> restricted to, the Jews.  I want people to remember *all* of it--the
> killing of Jews and non-Jews alike.

Ah, geez, Jenn, give me a fucking break.  Take it over to
alt.jewish.sob-stories.  Spare us the melodrama.

> There.  Now you have my statement--do with it what you will, Lester,
> but at least now you can't accuse me of only defending Jews without
> lying outright.

And we know that jews have the market cornered on honesty, don't we?

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 18:11:38 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: New liberal here to break his lance!
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Let's give a big warm welcome to B.A. Mylite, who can ask stupid,
illogical questions with the best of 'em!  Howdy, Mylite!

Les

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The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 18:11:41 PDT 1995
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B. A. Mylite (bamlink@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
> In alt.politics.white-power bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) said: 
>  
>>>treating women like chattel is a purely Semitic phenomenon. 
>  
> Rob Carscadden responded: 
>  
>>Clearly Les hasn't been reading the other posts by his WP friends. >I
> haven't seen one iota of respect for women.  
>  
> To which, Les, so cleverly retorted: 
>  
>>>>Oh, and sutee (the Dravidians of India) and foot-binding (those >>>cute
> n' cuddly Chinese) are signs of RESPECT? 
>  
> Is it now the Aryan contention that the Dravidians of India and the Chinese
> are semites? 

Nope.  If you'd bothered reading beyond the point where your liberal
reflexes kicked in and forced you to belch up what passed for criticism,
you'd have seen that I clarified my response to say that ALL non-Whites
aren't exactly known for the high regard in which they hold women.  But,
I'm not surprised at your knee-jerk, forehead slapping response.

Les


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The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 18:11:44 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: A liberal's favourite whine... (was: INSECURITY abound with you)
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 (cel@scott.net) writes:
>>      It is an utter abomination to humanity that this group even exists.
>> What is difficult about going to work, fostering at least a little
>> civic spirit, judging others on the basis of their actions rather than 
>> ethnicity, religion or race, and displaying veritable class as opposed to 
>> your white ass?
> 
>>      Can any of you explain to me why you all seem so insecure?
>> Is there a collective inferiority complex here?  It sure seems so, 
>> because you obviously belittle the lives of differing origins for the
>> very reason that they are different.  Do any of you realize how many
>> black and jewish professionals and intellectuals could whip your 
>> feeble arguements for *white power*?  

So why do they always fail to?
 
>>     And if you do indeed recognize this class of minority elites, 
>> how can you possibly argue from the standpoint of all-encompassing 
>> class distinctions?
>> Are you scared, or just stupid? 

Les
 


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 18:11:47 PDT 1995
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>    And, um, er, isn't Christianity a SEMITIC religion?  Or am I horribly
>    mistaken?
> 
> A religion of semitic origin, practiced mostly by europeans. Your point?

I think you've just made it for me.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 18:11:50 PDT 1995
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SCHOEDEL (schoedel@aol.com) writes:
> <<>This white boy says you in deep doo-doo...whatever race you are, you
> are a
>>traitor to your race.  Look at the animals...you don't see cardinals and
>>jays gettin' it on, do you? 
> 
> They're not of the same species; they're probably not interfertile.  On
> the 
> other hand, white folks and black folks are of the same species, and are 
> interfertile, and -- in case you haven't noticed -- biracial kids tend to
> be 
> terribly cute.>>
> 
> wrote Rabbi Rosenberg.
> 
> you say halfbreed kids are cute...so what?  I think my Russian Blue cat
> and my yellow lab are cute.  I am not going to try to procreate with them.
>  Blacks and whites are NOT same species, btw...

Too, Rev. Ron, did you ever notice that the great majority of
miscegenating White women seek out the really dark n' ugly niggers, not
these "terribly cute" mulattoes?  You somoetimes see one on the arm of a
not-too-dark darkie, but by and large, the more apish, the better, seems
to be the rule of thumb.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 18:12:23 PDT 1995
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Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:

(snip)

>> > I'm not even gonna ask Lester to name those "many historians", as
>> > something tells me that their names are all going to sound something
>> > like Willis Carto, and their organizations are all going to have names
>> > like "The Institute for Historical Review"...
> 
>> So?  I notice that you MENTION Willis Carto and the IHR, but you don't
>> bother to refute what's said.  Typical jewish tactic.
> 
> I didn't refute what was said for a simple reason.  If I were to
> refute every single stupid thing you said, Lester, I'd spend my life
> in front of a computer.  Frankly, I have better things to do with my
> time.  So, rather than refute your every claim, I think I'm gonna
> stick to refuting only those for which you have *some* semblance of
> proof.  That way, my workload gets cut by half!  So you go ahead and
> name those historians, Lester, and I'll think about spending some time
> on you...

Translation:  the rabbis taught me to be as slippery as an eel, make an
allegation, then dance all around it.
 
>> The J.A.P. is typically a bitchy, shrewish, arguably female creature.  I
>> don't know ONE joke about a J.A.P. that is even REMOTELY flattering to
>> them (and I know plenty).  What *are* you trying to say here?
> 
> That's my point, Lester.  J.A.P. is a term for a spoiled brat--hence
> the "princess".  It's also a term used mostly (though admittedly not
> solely) by people like your prejudiced self.  However, you claimed
> earlier that Jewish men are the *only* men *known* for treating their
> women like chattel.

Sorry, my mistake.  ALL non-White men aren't exactly known for being nice
to their female counterparts (ie, foot binding in China, sutee in India).

> What I want to know, is if Jewish women are treated so badly, where did the 
> term J.A.P. come from?  I mean, both ideas come from the same anti-Semitic 
> source as derogatory statements about Jews, yet they contradict each other 
> outright.

Not really.  Jewish women are neurotic bitches, insecure about themselves
in the extreme.  That would explain their obsession with jewelry and furs.

> So Lester, as I asked earlier--which do you choose?  Are Jewish women spoiled, 
> or are they treated like shit?

Since you're so magnanimous, I choose both.  J.A.P.s are spoiled little
brats, and jewish women are treated like shit.  Just because they can
adopt all sorts of gross materialism in this day and age, doesn't change
the edicts in their oh-so-wonderful "religion".

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 18:12:28 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Me, a jew?  Oy vey!
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Maybe I SHOULD convert to judaism, just to piss the mockies off.

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 20:16:15 PDT 1995
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Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Mark Staloff wrote:
> : > 
> : > If the US only got involved because Germany was forced to declare war on 
> : > it following Pearl Harbor, why were US and German ships sinking each 
> : > other during the fall of 1941, up to two months before Pearl Harbor 
> : > began?
> 
> : U.S. ships were firing on German ships before a formal declaration of war,
> : because Gimpy Roosevelt wanted war with them, to follow the dictates of
> : the jewish claque around him (Brandeis, Frankfurter, Morgenthau, etc.)
> 
> Please, please tell me how two Supreme Court Justices and the Secretary 
> of the Treasury managed to goad a President into helping the British.  A 
> note from them, some correspondence, even a telephone call, ANYTHING to 
> support your theory would be appreciated..  I mean, does anyone believe 
> that Scalia, O'Connor, and Libby Dole could have goaded the US into the 
> Gulf War?

Only Ash-can-nazis like you.  Accuse the accusers, or at least throw off
the scent by slinging mud around pell-mell, and hope some sticks.

> And wasn't Brandeis dead by 1941, or at least off the Court?  He would 
> have been 82 years old.  Someone check, if they can.  Did Roosevelt hold 
> seances to determine foreign policy?

Sorry, my mistake.  I was reading _The Dispossessed Majority_, and the
name of Brandeis came up in my mind.  Brandeis, of course, was in WILSON'S
time.  I was thinking of Bernard "Barney" Baruch.

> : The Germans, as Aryans, did not respond to the low and base provocation of
> : Roosevelt.
> 
> The Kearney.  The Greer.  The Reuben James.  All fired upon by the 
> Germans before Pearl Harbor, the last one SUNK.  You were saying?  I 
> think we can chalk this one up with the tall blonde Hitler who died 
> fighting the Russians.

References?  And please, something a little more authoritative than _Dick
and Jane's Pop-Up Book of Bad Nazis_.
 
> : > Why was the US supplying Britain with FREE military aid (that's 
> : > what lend-Lease added up to, as Britain couldn't afford to pay at the 
> : > time) during 1941?  Why did the US agree to use its OWN ships to convoy 
> : > this aid to Britain, in strict violation of neutrality provisions?  I 
> : > mean, really, if US involvement in the European theater appeared out of 
> : > thin air following Germany's declaration of war on the US, how do you 
> : > explain all these events which occurred PRIOR to December 7, 1941?
> 
> : The States (ie, Roosevelt) wanted to get in on the Germany-bashing,
> 
> The British weren't exactly Germany-bashing.  Usually, when a foreign 
> nation destroys your allies and starts raking your cities with cluster 
> bombs, and you respond, it's called self-defense.  

The British sure as hell weren't German-bashing, except in Winnie the
Pooh's oratory!  "Unable to land on the continent", is what I had in mind.
 
> : in accord with the desires of the jews.  I never said that the United 
> States
> : wasn't provoking Germany prior to Dec. 7, 1941;  I said that they used the
> : Pearl Harbour fiasco as a pretext to get involved.
> 
> Can you explain how they used Pearl Harbor as a pretext?  Hitler declared 
> war on the US, NOT THE REVERSE.  So your logic, once again, does not compute.

Uh, Markie, Roosevelt KNEW that Germany was bound by the Pact of Steel to
declare war on the U.S. in the event that its allies (Italy and Japan)
were declared belligerents by any other power.  That, coupled with his
shameless provocation of the people he should have allied with to destroy
Bolshevism, made it almost a sure-thing that he'd get what he wanted (ie,
war with Germany). 

Les


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The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 07:02:06 PDT 1995
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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : > 	I also noted that you avoided entirely my refutation of #2 (Crack 
> : > cocaine being originally popular among welathy whites)... but anyway.  
> 
> : Oh, gimme a break.  Do you really, honestly think that anyone here
> : BELIEVES that shit?
> 
> 	I would suspect that anyone who knows anything about "free base" 
> cocaine does in fact know this.  An article which appeared in _Rolling 
> Stone_ in the late 70's/early 80's was entitled "Free Base: A Treacherous 
> Addiction."  It described the growing problems with free base addiction 
> among wealthy and priveleged Los Angeles natives.  I remember it quite 
> vividly; I also remember smoking "free base" with several of my WHITE 
> friends during my wild and crazy college days.  It was popular among rich 
> New Jersey kids for a while in the early 80s, before it became the 
> scourge of the inner cities.  (Personally, I never liked the stuff... I 
> don't get the point of a drug which makes me paranoid and impotent).

Oh, I see.  These "white" friends of yours - do you mean White, as in of
Northern European descent, or are you using it in the sense of "white -
that's anything that isn't Black or Asian."?

(snip)
 
> : > but I would venture to say there is a fair correlation between the
> : > percentage of blacks living in poverty 
> : > and the percentage of blacks in prison.  Whether poverty is the result of 
> : > genetic inferiority or racism is of course debatable.  We already know 
> : > your answer to the question, and I already know mine.  
> 
> : Blah-de-blah-de-blah... "poverty causes crime, there's NO other cause!" 
> : Cripes, you make me sick with your disregarding of what's right in front
> : of your eyes.
> 
> 	There is a correlation between certain _types_ of crime and one's 
> socioeconomic status.  Wealthy people don't tend to sell drugs on 
> streetcorners or hold up convenience stores.  Poor people don't tend to 
> do massive stock market scams.

No kidding.  But the TENDENCY to commit a crime is not regulated by
(snort) "socioeconomic status".  Being poor doesn't make one a crook.
  
(snip)

> : > dare say she draws a better salary than you do... and guess what, Les... 
> : > she's BLACK!!!!
> 
> : Ain't Affirmative Action wonderful?
> 
> : > And no, she isn't here because of "quotas;" she's here because she does a
> : > damn good job.  As a matter of fact, she just got promoted and I took her
> : > previous position). 
> 
> : And you know for a FACT that she's not an AfAm Special?  And you'd NEVER
> : lie about THAT, right?
> 
> 	I do not know if she was hired as a result of "Affirmative 
> Action" or not.  I do know that she is competent... indeed more than 
> competent... at her job.

Hey, monkes can be trained to ride bicycles, and to ride them well. 

(snip)
 
> : Oh, cripes, here we go.  "'Gyptians was BLACK, man!"  Where DO you come up
> : with this shit (not just you, Kevvie, but all of these negrophiles)?
> 
> 	E.A. Wallis-Budge, Fakhoury, a couple other writers on the 
> subject, a few "National Geographic" articles.  I'm far from an expert on 
> the subject, but I do know enough to consult those who are.  And it's 
> pretty generally accepted among the experts I've read that the Egyptians 
> had some Negroid blood.  (For whatever that means; there are Negroid 
> tribes which are lighter-skinned than Indian Dravidians, who are 
> generally regarded as Caucasian).

Only in your world, Kevvie...
 
> : > 	From where do you think the Egyptians who built the Sphinx, the 
> : > Pyramids, and Luxor came? Europe? Or Africa?
> 
> : NORTH Africa.  There's a considerable difference, Kevin.  But I think I
> : see your problem.  Now listen up:  African does NOT automatically mean
> : black as midnight in a coal mine.
> 
> 	So you consider North Africans "White."  What about Turks? What 
> about Indians (from India, not Native Americans)? How about Iranians?

Uh, Turkey's in Asia Minor, tit.  And we've already hashed over the
"geography does NOT equal race" bit, but I guess you weren't paying
attention.  Listen up, I'm not going to say it again:  where people live
TODAY means nothing as to their race.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 11:05:44 PDT 1995
Article: 12204 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Subject: Re: Barefoot and pregnant? (was: How Many Children?)
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Rob Carscadden (carscadd@pps.duke.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Here Raggedy reveals yet again his ignorance of "WP types".  It has been
>>noted by many historians that a high regard for women is an uniquely Aryan
>>trait, and that treating women like chattel is a purely Semitic phenomenon.
>>
> Clearly Les hasn't been reading the other posts by his WP friends. I 
> haven't seen one iota of respect for women. 

Oh, and sutee (the Dravidians of India) and foot-binding (those cute n'
cuddly Chinese) are signs of RESPECT?

Les


--
When the state is most corrupt, the laws are most abundant.
		- Tacitus



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 11:05:51 PDT 1995
Article: 12209 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Barefoot and pregnant? (was: How Many Children?)
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Here Raggedy reveals yet again his ignorance of "WP types".  It has been
>>noted by many historians that a high regard for women is an uniquely Aryan
>>trait, and that treating women like chattel is a purely Semitic phenomenon.
> 
> Interesting then that Nazi 3rd reich art depicted women as either naked 
> or pregnant, not much more.  Feverant women's libbers, them Nazis.  

BWAHAHAHA!!!  You're so stupid, Lizard!  How did mommy and daddy ever get
hoodwinked into letting you out of the house?

Okay, we'll assume that you know your ass from a hole in the ground, for
the sake of argument.  So the Nazis weren't "women's libbers" in the
Gloria Steinem sense.  So?  The Nazis came a lot closer to realizing the
essential role that women (AND men) had to play in THE CONTINUANCE OF THE
RACE.  "Freeing" women to be corporate raiders and lawyers doesn't exactly
help to further the race, dildo.  Encouraging them to be mothers did.

One of the greatest test pilots ever to live was in the Third Reich,
asshole.  Ever hear of Hannah Reicsh (sp?).  One of the greatest film
directors was also a German, who lived during the Third Reich.  Ever hear
of Leni Riefenstahl?

The Nazis gave awards for motherhood, because motherhood was important to
the survival of the race.  They also realized, however, that SOME women
(and men) had contributions to make that superceded the duty to have children.

You're so incredibly dense, though.  Because they didn't have shrill,
neurotic J.A.P.s marching through the Reichstag, I suppose you'll maintain
that they were "oppressive".

Les

--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 14:09:30 PDT 1995
Article: 11757 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Hypocrisy of many liberals (was: hypocrisy of many blacks)
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Kurt Heinzic (bu649@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip)

> Ok ok.  This is really getting tiresome.  I referred to it in the past
> tense because when I looked for it recently, it was no longer there.  I am
> not Les!!  As I already said, if Les got a second account on the same
> FreeNet system, the id number would be "c....@freenet.carleton.ca".  There
> is no way it could be like mine, in the "bu..." area.  And the top guys
> require physical id for everyone.  Do you really think Les would go to all
> that trouble, and then sit dormant with my id for a while.  Come on.

Actually, yes, they do.  See, that's something that those panty-waists
would do, so they automatically assume that everybody else would do it,
too.  Sorta the same psychology that they apply to "homophobes":  anyone
not enamoured of blatant faggotry must be a closet queer.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 14:09:32 PDT 1995
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Rob Carscadden (carscadd@pps.duke.edu) thinks he's clever by writing:
 
(snip)
 
> And of course, two wrongs make a right, ...or is it that other people 
> treat women like shit, so why can't we??
> 
> go on Les...what gives you the right to treat women badly?

Nothing does, and I don't.
 
> Is it that you feel bad because some women have better jobs, better 
> lives, better everything than you..

Les



--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 14:10:11 PDT 1995
Article: 11806 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Looking for FTP/WWW sites. Know any?
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Mephisto (spehert@execpc.com) writes:
> I am looking for any National Socialist ftp or www sites.
> 
> If you know any, get back to me.
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance to anyone who replies.

You can reach the National Alliance's WWW page at:

http://www.natvan.com

You're welcome.

Les

--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 14:10:18 PDT 1995
Article: 11811 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Some questions on superiority
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Roger (none@avail.com) writes:
> Thank you for reading this post.  I have a few questions if you care to
> respond.
> 
> 1.  Why have northern Europeans dominated the entire planet from the 1700's?

It's been longer than that.
 
> 2.  Why were negros able to be enslaved and brought to the the New World?

Not just to the New World, either.  In EVERY SINGLE civilization that was
a slavocracy, guess who were the slaves?

> 3.  Why did it take white people to free the slaves?

Because they couldn't do it themselves.
 
> 4.  Why does it take white people to educate and nuture negros?

Because they can't do it themselves.
 
> 5.  Why does it take white people to defend the freedom of negros?

Because they can neither defend, nor even appreciate, their own freedoms.
 
> 6.  Why do white people sacrifice their own children's future for the benefit
>     of negro children (affirmative action)?

Misplaced philanthropy.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 14:10:21 PDT 1995
Article: 11812 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Some questions on superiority
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MZAPPALA@DELPHI.COM (MZAPPALA@news.delphi.com) writes:
> none@avail.com (Roger) writes:

(snip)

>>2.  Why were negros able to be enslaved and brought to the the New World?
> 
> oh please.  almost every culture/race whatever has been enslaved at one 
> time or another...

Such as...?
 
>>3.  Why did it take white people to free the slaves?
> 
> Because all the people who lived in the country that slaves were being 
> held in (America) were white, with the exception of Chinese immigrants.  
> and the slaves were in no position to free themselves.

Or, the ex-slaves who had been freed by their masters didn't CARE about
their "bruthas" in bondage?  Take your pick.
 
>>4.  Why does it take white people to educate and nuture negros?
> 
> I have had black teachers.  So why does it take black people to educate 
> and nurture whites?

Would you have even HAD Black teachers, if they hadn't been educated in
WHITE culture?

(snip)
   
Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 14:10:25 PDT 1995
Article: 11813 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Some questions on superiority
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Roger (none@avail.com) wrote:
> : Thank you for reading this post.  I have a few questions if you care to
> : respond.

(snip)

> : 2.  Why were negros able to be enslaved and brought to the the New World?
> 
> a) The military superiority of the enslavers.

And why do you think THAT was, Adam?  (hint:  the answer sounds a lot like
"superior technology")

> b) The complicity of many African tribal chiefs.

Wait... this complicity is somehow the fault of the Whites, right?

> : 3.  Why did it take white people to free the slaves?
> 
> Because it was white people that were enslaving them. (Did you really 
> need to be told this?) Of course, it would be unfair to ignore the 
> contributions that some blacks, such as Frederick Douglass, made toward 
> abolition.

And Nat Turner, and other slaves who rose up and butchered their superiors.
 
(snip)

> : 6.  Why do white people sacrifice their own children's future for the benefit
> :     of negro children (affirmative action)?
> 
> a) There's no evidence the their children are being sacrificed.

Wake up.  Of course, you'll only be concerned once they start squabbling
over being allowed to invade the "professions".

> b) Whites enjoy the privileges of a society that built itself partly on 
> the racism from which blacks continue to suffer. Trying to alleviate that 
> suffering is not a sacrifice, but rather the only option of a moral person.

Moral, my ass.  Giving in to the demands of sub-humans is NOT moral, but
cowardly.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 16:41:52 PDT 1995
Article: 11757 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Hypocrisy of many liberals (was: hypocrisy of many blacks)
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Kurt Heinzic (bu649@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip)

> Ok ok.  This is really getting tiresome.  I referred to it in the past
> tense because when I looked for it recently, it was no longer there.  I am
> not Les!!  As I already said, if Les got a second account on the same
> FreeNet system, the id number would be "c....@freenet.carleton.ca".  There
> is no way it could be like mine, in the "bu..." area.  And the top guys
> require physical id for everyone.  Do you really think Les would go to all
> that trouble, and then sit dormant with my id for a while.  Come on.

Actually, yes, they do.  See, that's something that those panty-waists
would do, so they automatically assume that everybody else would do it,
too.  Sorta the same psychology that they apply to "homophobes":  anyone
not enamoured of blatant faggotry must be a closet queer.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 16:41:56 PDT 1995
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Rob Carscadden (carscadd@pps.duke.edu) thinks he's clever by writing:
 
(snip)
 
> And of course, two wrongs make a right, ...or is it that other people 
> treat women like shit, so why can't we??
> 
> go on Les...what gives you the right to treat women badly?

Nothing does, and I don't.
 
> Is it that you feel bad because some women have better jobs, better 
> lives, better everything than you..

Les



--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 16:42:35 PDT 1995
Article: 11806 of alt.politics.white-power
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Subject: Re: Looking for FTP/WWW sites. Know any?
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Mephisto (spehert@execpc.com) writes:
> I am looking for any National Socialist ftp or www sites.
> 
> If you know any, get back to me.
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance to anyone who replies.

You can reach the National Alliance's WWW page at:

http://www.natvan.com

You're welcome.

Les

--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 16:42:41 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Some questions on superiority
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Roger (none@avail.com) writes:
> Thank you for reading this post.  I have a few questions if you care to
> respond.
> 
> 1.  Why have northern Europeans dominated the entire planet from the 1700's?

It's been longer than that.
 
> 2.  Why were negros able to be enslaved and brought to the the New World?

Not just to the New World, either.  In EVERY SINGLE civilization that was
a slavocracy, guess who were the slaves?

> 3.  Why did it take white people to free the slaves?

Because they couldn't do it themselves.
 
> 4.  Why does it take white people to educate and nuture negros?

Because they can't do it themselves.
 
> 5.  Why does it take white people to defend the freedom of negros?

Because they can neither defend, nor even appreciate, their own freedoms.
 
> 6.  Why do white people sacrifice their own children's future for the benefit
>     of negro children (affirmative action)?

Misplaced philanthropy.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 16:42:44 PDT 1995
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MZAPPALA@DELPHI.COM (MZAPPALA@news.delphi.com) writes:
> none@avail.com (Roger) writes:

(snip)

>>2.  Why were negros able to be enslaved and brought to the the New World?
> 
> oh please.  almost every culture/race whatever has been enslaved at one 
> time or another...

Such as...?
 
>>3.  Why did it take white people to free the slaves?
> 
> Because all the people who lived in the country that slaves were being 
> held in (America) were white, with the exception of Chinese immigrants.  
> and the slaves were in no position to free themselves.

Or, the ex-slaves who had been freed by their masters didn't CARE about
their "bruthas" in bondage?  Take your pick.
 
>>4.  Why does it take white people to educate and nuture negros?
> 
> I have had black teachers.  So why does it take black people to educate 
> and nurture whites?

Would you have even HAD Black teachers, if they hadn't been educated in
WHITE culture?

(snip)
   
Les


--
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 16:42:48 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Some questions on superiority
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Roger (none@avail.com) wrote:
> : Thank you for reading this post.  I have a few questions if you care to
> : respond.

(snip)

> : 2.  Why were negros able to be enslaved and brought to the the New World?
> 
> a) The military superiority of the enslavers.

And why do you think THAT was, Adam?  (hint:  the answer sounds a lot like
"superior technology")

> b) The complicity of many African tribal chiefs.

Wait... this complicity is somehow the fault of the Whites, right?

> : 3.  Why did it take white people to free the slaves?
> 
> Because it was white people that were enslaving them. (Did you really 
> need to be told this?) Of course, it would be unfair to ignore the 
> contributions that some blacks, such as Frederick Douglass, made toward 
> abolition.

And Nat Turner, and other slaves who rose up and butchered their superiors.
 
(snip)

> : 6.  Why do white people sacrifice their own children's future for the benefit
> :     of negro children (affirmative action)?
> 
> a) There's no evidence the their children are being sacrificed.

Wake up.  Of course, you'll only be concerned once they start squabbling
over being allowed to invade the "professions".

> b) Whites enjoy the privileges of a society that built itself partly on 
> the racism from which blacks continue to suffer. Trying to alleviate that 
> suffering is not a sacrifice, but rather the only option of a moral person.

Moral, my ass.  Giving in to the demands of sub-humans is NOT moral, but
cowardly.

Les


--
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 11 04:45:00 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>    kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
>    >       It was a Catholic university; my friends were of Irish and 
>    > Italian descent, with a couple of Poles thrown in for good measure.  All 
>    > Northern Europeans of the most impeccable credentials.  (Although David 
>    > Padgett has claimed that the Irish aren't really white...)
>    
>    Sure, Kevvie, sure.  You asked them to submit to genetic scans, just in
>    the eventuality that someone took you up on it... Sephardic jews look like
>    Southern Italians.
>    
> And are just as likely to attend Catholic schools?

*sigh*

Have you never heard of conversos, Raggedy?  Those are jews in Spain who
converted to Catholicism during the Inquisition.  Spanish jews aren't the
only ones who pull the name- and religion switching game.  Believe it or
not, some jews actually find that there is (or was) a stigma attached to
their jewishness.  I know, big surprise, but hey, there you are.

Les



--
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 11 04:45:03 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Lizard's jingoism! (was: But what the jews can't stand...)
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
>>> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>>(snip - Markie contesting my assertion that Morgenthau and some other jews
>>goaded the U.S. into WWII.  I guess it's obvious that the Americans just
>>up and decided to jump in to a European war because it was "the right
>>thing to do").
> 
> Les, in a message posted publicly to me, regarding your assertian that 
> the Jews got the US into WWII, you said that you were being sarcastic.  

No, I was repeating the suck-and-jive that the Chosenites want us to
believe, namely that WWII was fought to save their kosher asses from Uncle
Adolf's "gas chambers".  Never to be mentioned, of course, is the fact
that the U.S. was strongly AGAINST intervention, and didn't buy this
crapola about "gassing jews".

> So which is it?  Were you being sarcastic, or were you being serious?

Too bad.  In your rush to be sarcastic, as per McKinsty's suggestion,
you've gone and turned stupid instead.
 
>>> How about my Advanced Placement US History book in High School, "The 
>>> American Pageant" by Bailey, for one.
>>How about it?
>>Yeah,  like there's really going to be an impartial textbook in the
>>schools.  Markie, please don't assume that I'm as naive as other Gentiles.
> 
> Weren't YOU the one bitching in an earlier message about how it takes 
> Whites to educate Blacks?  Now you're saying the Jews control the school 
> system... You better keep track of your own rhetoric buddy-boy.

Yes, the education system WAS created by Whites.  Perverted by jews.
 
> (And that IS what you are saying, let's not play games...)

Please don't tell me what I'm saying.  You're too stupid to play the "poke
holes in the oppostion's argument", even though I know you're doing it to
impress others with how intelligent you are.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 11 05:21:12 PDT 1995
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
>>> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>>(snip - Markie contesting my assertion that Morgenthau and some other jews
>>goaded the U.S. into WWII.  I guess it's obvious that the Americans just
>>up and decided to jump in to a European war because it was "the right
>>thing to do").
> 
> Les, in a message posted publicly to me, regarding your assertian that 
> the Jews got the US into WWII, you said that you were being sarcastic.  

No, I was repeating the suck-and-jive that the Chosenites want us to
believe, namely that WWII was fought to save their kosher asses from Uncle
Adolf's "gas chambers".  Never to be mentioned, of course, is the fact
that the U.S. was strongly AGAINST intervention, and didn't buy this
crapola about "gassing jews".

> So which is it?  Were you being sarcastic, or were you being serious?

Too bad.  In your rush to be sarcastic, as per McKinsty's suggestion,
you've gone and turned stupid instead.
 
>>> How about my Advanced Placement US History book in High School, "The 
>>> American Pageant" by Bailey, for one.
>>How about it?
>>Yeah,  like there's really going to be an impartial textbook in the
>>schools.  Markie, please don't assume that I'm as naive as other Gentiles.
> 
> Weren't YOU the one bitching in an earlier message about how it takes 
> Whites to educate Blacks?  Now you're saying the Jews control the school 
> system... You better keep track of your own rhetoric buddy-boy.

Yes, the education system WAS created by Whites.  Perverted by jews.
 
> (And that IS what you are saying, let's not play games...)

Please don't tell me what I'm saying.  You're too stupid to play the "poke
holes in the oppostion's argument", even though I know you're doing it to
impress others with how intelligent you are.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 11 16:02:18 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Oh, I see.  These "white" friends of yours - do you mean White, as in of
> : Northern European descent, or are you using it in the sense of "white -
> : that's anything that isn't Black or Asian."?
> 
> 	It was a Catholic university; my friends were of Irish and 
> Italian descent, with a couple of Poles thrown in for good measure.  All 
> Northern Europeans of the most impeccable credentials.  (Although David 
> Padgett has claimed that the Irish aren't really white...)

Sure, Kevvie, sure.  You asked them to submit to genetic scans, just in
the eventuality that someone took you up on it... Sephardic jews look like
Southern Italians.

> : > 	There is a correlation between certain _types_ of crime and one's 
> : > socioeconomic status.  Wealthy people don't tend to sell drugs on 
> : > streetcorners or hold up convenience stores.  Poor people don't tend to 
> : > do massive stock market scams.
> 
> : No kidding.  But the TENDENCY to commit a crime is not regulated by
> : (snort) "socioeconomic status".  Being poor doesn't make one a crook.
> 
> 	The tendency to get caught is largely regulated by "socioeconomic 
> status."  The tendency to hire lawyers who get you off the hook is 
> largely regulated by socioeconomic status.  The tendency to have your 
> juvenile antics written off as "sowing your wild oats" instead of getting 
> sent to a reform school is largely determined by socioeconomic status.

"The justice system is racist!  Free Mumia Abu-Jamal!"
 
> : > 	I do not know if she was hired as a result of "Affirmative 
> : > Action" or not.  I do know that she is competent... indeed more than 
> : > competent... at her job.
> 
> : Hey, monkes can be trained to ride bicycles, and to ride them well. 
> 
> 	I can assume, then, that you are capable of handling bookkeeping, 
> office management, and various word processing programs -- that you are 
> capable of managing a six-line phone system -- and that you are capable 
> of running the budget for a small non-profit international development 
> foundation? 

Once again, sure Kevvie, sure.  I'm supposed to believe your one anecdote,
in face of all the OTHER anecdotes I've heard about Black incompetence. 
More, I'm supposed to throw away all of my own observations and
experiences because YOU tell me that your Black boss is (supposedly) some
kind of bureaucratic genius.
 
> : > : see your problem.  Now listen up:  African does NOT automatically mean
> : > : black as midnight in a coal mine.
> : > 
> : > 	So you consider North Africans "White."  What about Turks? What 
> : > about Indians (from India, not Native Americans)? How about Iranians?
> 
> : Uh, Turkey's in Asia Minor, tit.  And we've already hashed over the
> : "geography does NOT equal race" bit, but I guess you weren't paying
> : attention.  Listen up, I'm not going to say it again:  where people live
> : TODAY means nothing as to their race.
> 
> 	Indeed... but the Caucusus Mountains are in Turkey.  (And where 
> do you suppose the name "Caucasian?" comes from?) 

Kevvie, how long ago were the Caucasus Mountains named?

"Iran" is a derivative of "Aryan".  Only a fuck-wad would believe that the
camel-jockeys there are Aryans now, because Aryans were there once LONG
AGO.

Les


--
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 11 16:02:23 PDT 1995
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Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) wrote:
> 
> : By what standard was it wrong?  The savages weren't doing anything useful
> : with it anyway.
> 
> : > Right of Conquest. (regarding why the English could colonize Virginia)
> 
> Thusis isn't a position I take, but I have a question for all the WP 
> people out there: why aren't these arguments applicable to the 
> establishment of Israel in Palestine, and the subsequent expansion into 
> the West Bank and the Golan Heights?  Much of Palestine was a desert 
> before the establishment of Israel, but the Jewish settlers have 
> irrigated and farmed much of this former wasteland.

1)  Israel wasn't conquered by the Israelis alone; they needed all sorts
of support from the Americans and British.

2)  They're jews.

Les


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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  threw on pumps and spewed:
>> (lzaird@io.org) writes:
>>> Help save political prisoner Mumia Abu-Jamal from execution by the U.S.A.
>>So now a convicted cop-killer is a "political prisoner"?  Gimme a break. 
>>If that was a White racist or "redneck" who had capped a cop, you would be
>>screaming for his head, wouldn't you?  Hell, Lizard, you'd probably
>>volunteer to be on the firing squad or to pull the lever.  But this is a
>>(gasp) BLACK MAN, so he MUST be innocent, and he can't be racist, and the
>>prosecution and the cops planted and/or suppressed evidence, etc... ad
>>infinitum nauseam...
> 
> Actually, the case only really got to me when I DID see the evedince, 
> and court transcripts, and the fact that the same police depertment 
> tried to do almost the same thing to him during the 70's.  
> 
> Explain why:
> 
> - Mumia wasn't allowed to defend himself

May have had something to do with the apprehension the court had that he
would have used the opportunity to spout revolutionary ideas.

> - His defense attourney was dis-barred for incompetence

Maybe he was (gasp) incompetent.

> - Mumia wasn't present for most of his own trial, on Judges orders.

A mis-trial is not automatically indicative of racism, Slimy.

> - Mumia was somehow able to shoot this cop 5 times with a .44, when he 
>   had a .38 and a bullet in the stomach.  (According to the coroner, his 
>   opinion was that it was a .44, of course, no gun expert was brought in.)

Actually, Mummy Abu-Jamn'peanutbutter had a .38 on his person when he was
arrested.  You might want to um, er, "restate" this one.

You don't need a gun expert to tell if a handgun is a .38 or a .44.  One
would have to be illiterate not to know the difference, not to mention
blind (a .38 is a LOT smaller than a .44).

> - Three witnesses, including one White cab driver claim they saw a short 
>   man with an Afro shoot the cop.

Witnesses have been known to be wrong before, or to perjure themselves. 
Why this assumption that, in the trial of a Black man, racism, and racism
ALONE, must be the motivating factor?

> There's more than this...

Translation:  when these statements are disposed of, I'll throw more up as
a defense.

You liberals are like octopi:  you squirt out a cloud of ink-like fluid to
cover your tracks when you're being pursued. 

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
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"If only...":  liberals use this to propose their latest LSD trips as
"what if"s, assuming that we CARE about their hallucinations.


Les



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When the state is most corrupt, the laws are most abundant.
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Robert Burns Glennie (arby@magi.com) writes:
> joelr@winternet.com   (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
> 
>>In , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>>If indeed black is so beautiful, why does one never see a well-to-do
>>>nigger with a real darkie for a wife/mistress/girlfriend/broodsow? 
>>>Instead, one always sees them sporting White trophy sluts.
> 
> Charles Bronfman is pretty damn successful (having just bought MCA)
> pretty damn white and pretty damn married to a beautiful black woman!

1)  Bronfman is a jew, not white.

2)  He's not a Black buck.

Les


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The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
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Civilized Man (student@ucs.indiana.edu) writes:
> Many of us have become familiar with the incessent foolish ramblings
> of Les on these white supremacist newsgroups. To be sure, he is a staple
> of the landscape. His inane prate sessions move many to intense laughter
> and utter pity. His ignorance is seemlingly never ending while his
> penchant for stupity knows no bounds.

(snip - Civilized Man's lame attempts at flaming me)

Follow it through, Civilized Ape:  if I AM Black and/or jewish, and I AM a
fucking moron, then what's it say about the mentality (such as it is) of
"bruthas" and Chosenites?

Les

--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 11 20:33:12 PDT 1995
Article: 11921 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lizard's jingoism! (was: But what the jews can't stand...)
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Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip - Markie contesting my assertion that Morgenthau and some other jews
goaded the U.S. into WWII.  I guess it's obvious that the Americans just
up and decided to jump in to a European war because it was "the right
thing to do").
 
> : > : The Germans, as Aryans, did not respond to the low and base provocation of
> : > : Roosevelt.
> : > 
> : > The Kearney.  The Greer.  The Reuben James.  All fired upon by the 
> : > Germans before Pearl Harbor, the last one SUNK.  You were saying?  I 
> : > think we can chalk this one up with the tall blonde Hitler who died 
> : > fighting the Russians.
> 
> : References?  And please, something a little more authoritative than _Dick
> : and Jane's Pop-Up Book of Bad Nazis_.
> 
> How about my Advanced Placement US History book in High School, "The 
> American Pageant" by Bailey, for one.

How about it?

Yeah,  like there's really going to be an impartial textbook in the
schools.  Markie, please don't assume that I'm as naive as other Gentiles.

> It's used by something like 60% of the AP US History 
> classes in this country, and has been for over 30-40 years through 
> several editions.  Look it up.  I dare ya.  
> 
> Woody Guthrie wrote a song about the "Reuben James" shortly after the 
> incident, and it was popular across the country.  How do you account for 
> this if the Reuben James incident never happened?

Holy shit, now Woodie Guthrie is a historian?  That's like using
Shakespeare to "prove" that Cleopatra was Black.

Charles Berlitz wrote a lot of books about the Bermuda Triangle.  Erik von
Daaniken (sp?) wrote about _The Chariots of the Gods_.  

> You can look up the 
> song, if you want, to... one of the lines was, "what were their names, 
> friend, what were their names?  Did you have a friend on the good Reuben 
> James?"  Of course the existence of a song alone doesn't prove the 
> existence of the sinking (which is why you should go look up that history 
> book, now that you've asked for references)  but it's difficult for a 
> country to get all worked up over a song about an incident that never 
> happened.
> 
> : > Can you explain how they used Pearl Harbor as a pretext?  Hitler declared 
> : > war on the US, NOT THE REVERSE.  So your logic, once again, does not compute.
> 
> : Uh, Markie, Roosevelt KNEW that Germany was bound by the Pact of Steel to
> : declare war on the U.S. in the event that its allies (Italy and Japan)
> : were declared belligerents by any other power.  That, coupled with his
> : shameless provocation of the people he should have allied with to destroy
> : Bolshevism, made it almost a sure-thing that he'd get what he wanted (ie,
> : war with Germany). 
> 
> First of all, the Pact of Steel didn't work that way.  Germany declared 
> war on the USSR in June 1941, 6 months before Pearl Harbor, yet the 
> Japanese NEVER FOLLOWED SUIT.

So?  The Nazis couldn't rely on the Japanese.  So what's your point?

> Bulgaraia declared war on the US and 
> Britain, but never the USSR.  Italy didn't declare war on France until 
> one month after Germany had.  The Axis powers never coordinated 
> militarily as the Allied Powers did; Hitler could just have easily not 
> declared war on the US, and Japan couldn't have said a word, just as 
> Germany couldn't drag Japan into war with the Soviet Union.

Fact is, they did.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 11 21:32:30 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Lizard's jingoism! (was: But what the jews can't stand...)
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Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip - Markie contesting my assertion that Morgenthau and some other jews
goaded the U.S. into WWII.  I guess it's obvious that the Americans just
up and decided to jump in to a European war because it was "the right
thing to do").
 
> : > : The Germans, as Aryans, did not respond to the low and base provocation of
> : > : Roosevelt.
> : > 
> : > The Kearney.  The Greer.  The Reuben James.  All fired upon by the 
> : > Germans before Pearl Harbor, the last one SUNK.  You were saying?  I 
> : > think we can chalk this one up with the tall blonde Hitler who died 
> : > fighting the Russians.
> 
> : References?  And please, something a little more authoritative than _Dick
> : and Jane's Pop-Up Book of Bad Nazis_.
> 
> How about my Advanced Placement US History book in High School, "The 
> American Pageant" by Bailey, for one.

How about it?

Yeah,  like there's really going to be an impartial textbook in the
schools.  Markie, please don't assume that I'm as naive as other Gentiles.

> It's used by something like 60% of the AP US History 
> classes in this country, and has been for over 30-40 years through 
> several editions.  Look it up.  I dare ya.  
> 
> Woody Guthrie wrote a song about the "Reuben James" shortly after the 
> incident, and it was popular across the country.  How do you account for 
> this if the Reuben James incident never happened?

Holy shit, now Woodie Guthrie is a historian?  That's like using
Shakespeare to "prove" that Cleopatra was Black.

Charles Berlitz wrote a lot of books about the Bermuda Triangle.  Erik von
Daaniken (sp?) wrote about _The Chariots of the Gods_.  

> You can look up the 
> song, if you want, to... one of the lines was, "what were their names, 
> friend, what were their names?  Did you have a friend on the good Reuben 
> James?"  Of course the existence of a song alone doesn't prove the 
> existence of the sinking (which is why you should go look up that history 
> book, now that you've asked for references)  but it's difficult for a 
> country to get all worked up over a song about an incident that never 
> happened.
> 
> : > Can you explain how they used Pearl Harbor as a pretext?  Hitler declared 
> : > war on the US, NOT THE REVERSE.  So your logic, once again, does not compute.
> 
> : Uh, Markie, Roosevelt KNEW that Germany was bound by the Pact of Steel to
> : declare war on the U.S. in the event that its allies (Italy and Japan)
> : were declared belligerents by any other power.  That, coupled with his
> : shameless provocation of the people he should have allied with to destroy
> : Bolshevism, made it almost a sure-thing that he'd get what he wanted (ie,
> : war with Germany). 
> 
> First of all, the Pact of Steel didn't work that way.  Germany declared 
> war on the USSR in June 1941, 6 months before Pearl Harbor, yet the 
> Japanese NEVER FOLLOWED SUIT.

So?  The Nazis couldn't rely on the Japanese.  So what's your point?

> Bulgaraia declared war on the US and 
> Britain, but never the USSR.  Italy didn't declare war on France until 
> one month after Germany had.  The Axis powers never coordinated 
> militarily as the Allied Powers did; Hitler could just have easily not 
> declared war on the US, and Japan couldn't have said a word, just as 
> Germany couldn't drag Japan into war with the Soviet Union.

Fact is, they did.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 11 10:51:23 PDT 1995
Article: 30997 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip - Markie contesting my assertion that Morgenthau and some other jews
goaded the U.S. into WWII.  I guess it's obvious that the Americans just
up and decided to jump in to a European war because it was "the right
thing to do").
 
> : > : The Germans, as Aryans, did not respond to the low and base provocation of
> : > : Roosevelt.
> : > 
> : > The Kearney.  The Greer.  The Reuben James.  All fired upon by the 
> : > Germans before Pearl Harbor, the last one SUNK.  You were saying?  I 
> : > think we can chalk this one up with the tall blonde Hitler who died 
> : > fighting the Russians.
> 
> : References?  And please, something a little more authoritative than _Dick
> : and Jane's Pop-Up Book of Bad Nazis_.
> 
> How about my Advanced Placement US History book in High School, "The 
> American Pageant" by Bailey, for one.

How about it?

Yeah,  like there's really going to be an impartial textbook in the
schools.  Markie, please don't assume that I'm as naive as other Gentiles.

> It's used by something like 60% of the AP US History 
> classes in this country, and has been for over 30-40 years through 
> several editions.  Look it up.  I dare ya.  
> 
> Woody Guthrie wrote a song about the "Reuben James" shortly after the 
> incident, and it was popular across the country.  How do you account for 
> this if the Reuben James incident never happened?

Holy shit, now Woodie Guthrie is a historian?  That's like using
Shakespeare to "prove" that Cleopatra was Black.

Charles Berlitz wrote a lot of books about the Bermuda Triangle.  Erik von
Daaniken (sp?) wrote about _The Chariots of the Gods_.  

> You can look up the 
> song, if you want, to... one of the lines was, "what were their names, 
> friend, what were their names?  Did you have a friend on the good Reuben 
> James?"  Of course the existence of a song alone doesn't prove the 
> existence of the sinking (which is why you should go look up that history 
> book, now that you've asked for references)  but it's difficult for a 
> country to get all worked up over a song about an incident that never 
> happened.
> 
> : > Can you explain how they used Pearl Harbor as a pretext?  Hitler declared 
> : > war on the US, NOT THE REVERSE.  So your logic, once again, does not compute.
> 
> : Uh, Markie, Roosevelt KNEW that Germany was bound by the Pact of Steel to
> : declare war on the U.S. in the event that its allies (Italy and Japan)
> : were declared belligerents by any other power.  That, coupled with his
> : shameless provocation of the people he should have allied with to destroy
> : Bolshevism, made it almost a sure-thing that he'd get what he wanted (ie,
> : war with Germany). 
> 
> First of all, the Pact of Steel didn't work that way.  Germany declared 
> war on the USSR in June 1941, 6 months before Pearl Harbor, yet the 
> Japanese NEVER FOLLOWED SUIT.

So?  The Nazis couldn't rely on the Japanese.  So what's your point?

> Bulgaraia declared war on the US and 
> Britain, but never the USSR.  Italy didn't declare war on France until 
> one month after Germany had.  The Axis powers never coordinated 
> militarily as the Allied Powers did; Hitler could just have easily not 
> declared war on the US, and Japan couldn't have said a word, just as 
> Germany couldn't drag Japan into war with the Soviet Union.

Fact is, they did.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 11 15:39:57 PDT 1995
Article: 12249 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Subject: Re: Liberal buzz-words and catch-phrases!
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"If only...":  liberals use this to propose their latest LSD trips as
"what if"s, assuming that we CARE about their hallucinations.


Les



--
When the state is most corrupt, the laws are most abundant.
		- Tacitus



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 11 10:43:35 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Basketball! (was: Liberals? Intelligent? Gimme a BREAK!)
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Derek Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>Sorry, Stevie Wonder, but that's a load of hooey, and you know it.  Blacks
>>were freed from slavery, NOT through any "boycotts and protests", but
>>through White largess.
> 
> 	Ever hear of Thurgood Marshall? Rev. Martin Luther King? They played
> important roles too!

Ain't Affirmative Action great!?!

Les

--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 11 10:43:57 PDT 1995
Article: 25393 of alt.skinheads
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > 
> : > 	It was a Catholic university; my friends were of Irish and 
> : > Italian descent, with a couple of Poles thrown in for good measure.  All 
> : > Northern Europeans of the most impeccable credentials.  (Although David 
> : > Padgett has claimed that the Irish aren't really white...)
> 
> : Sure, Kevvie, sure.  You asked them to submit to genetic scans, just in
> : the eventuality that someone took you up on it... Sephardic jews look like
> : Southern Italians.
> 
> 	Les, just when I think you can't surprise me, you do...
> 
> 	The school, (the University of Scranton) was a Catholic school 
> (run by the Society of Jesus, better known as the Jesuits).  My friends 
> were from Philly, New York, and New Jersey for the most part.  Most of 
> them had gone to Catholic schools and were baptized, confirmed, and 
> practicing Roman Catholics.  

Ohmigosh!  And we KNOW that jews CANNOT be Catholics!  They'd NEVER switch
their religion!  How NAIVE of me to even SUSPECT something like that!

> 	I'm sure Messers. Rizzo and Figurelli will be surprised to hear 
> that they are really Sephardic Jews.  (As will the priest at their 
> parish!) And my friends Messers. McColgan, Quinn, McGraw, and Jordan... 
> no more ham and cheese sandwiches for them on St. Paddy's day, eh? 

Ohmigosh!  And we KNOW that jews CANNOT change their names!  They'd NEVER
do something like that!  How NAIVE of me to even SUSPECT something like that!

> : > status."  The tendency to hire lawyers who get you off the hook is 
> : > largely regulated by socioeconomic status.  The tendency to have your 
> : > juvenile antics written off as "sowing your wild oats" instead of getting 
> : > sent to a reform school is largely determined by socioeconomic status.
> 
> : "The justice system is racist!  Free Mumia Abu-Jamal!"
> 
> 	And instead of attempting to refute my statement, Les responds 
> with the equivalent of involuntary grunting.  If JEW-hating J. Lupton 
> ever gets his thorazine prescription straightened out, he might post 
> something on this level...

Kevvie, your "statement" is pure horse-shit, so why should I waste time
trying to "refute" it?  The best thing to do is to let it stand, confront
the world on its own merits, and let everyone see how stupid it is.
 
> : > office management, and various word processing programs -- that you are 
> : > capable of managing a six-line phone system -- and that you are capable 
> : > of running the budget for a small non-profit international development 
> : > foundation? 
> 
> : Once again, sure Kevvie, sure.  I'm supposed to believe your one anecdote,
> : in face of all the OTHER anecdotes I've heard about Black incompetence. 
> : More, I'm supposed to throw away all of my own observations and
> : experiences because YOU tell me that your Black boss is (supposedly) some
> : kind of bureaucratic genius.
> 
> 	Les, I'm sure that for you facts are inconvenient and nasty 
> things, rather like jock itch appears to those people who do not have 
> complete delusional systems to rely upon.  Nevertheless, the fact remains 
> that there _are_ blacks who are capable of performing jobs which you most 
> likely could not perform.  (That is, a job where you don't wear a paper hat).

Amazing, Kevvie.  You talk about how a few Blacks are able to perform
rather complex jobs, yet you won't hear of Blacks who can't even read or
write when they graduate from college.  Your duplicity is astonishing.

I'm quite surprised that you've jumped on the "Les works at Scrawny
Ronnie's" wagon.  You make it sound like there have NEVER been Blacks (or
other minorities) working at fast-food places.
 
> : > 	Indeed... but the Caucusus Mountains are in Turkey.  (And where 
> : > do you suppose the name "Caucasian?" comes from?) 
> 
> : Kevvie, how long ago were the Caucasus Mountains named?
> 
> : "Iran" is a derivative of "Aryan".  Only a fuck-wad would believe that the
> : camel-jockeys there are Aryans now, because Aryans were there once LONG
> : AGO.
> 
> 	And these Aryans, I assume, migrated en masse to Northern Europe, 

Yep.

> in a foreshadowing of the Jewish "Holohoax" exodus to Russia? 

What the HELL are you talking about?

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 11 10:44:03 PDT 1995
Article: 25395 of alt.skinheads
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberal buzz-words and catch-phrases!
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Derek "Lunch" Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>"If only...":  liberals use this to propose their latest LSD trips as
>>"what if"s, assuming that we CARE about their hallucinations.
> 
> 	Ingenious, Les. Now you can tell the contents of people's bloodstreams
> just by reading their posts!!

You're not helping your case any.  I mean, from the semi-literacy and
blatant disregard for reality that you display, I'd assume that you have
more than just a dollop of Black blood in you.

> Is this method related to how the Hiddenbrook Historical Society estimated 
> IQs?

Blah-de-blah-de-blah... still burns your ass that not everyone is down on
Hitler, doesn't it?

If I had posted the estimated IQ figures for the jews Einstein and Marx
(whoops!  They were "atheists", not jews at all), everyone would have
been on here saying, "Gee, the Hiddenbrook Historical Society must be
really SMART!"

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 17:22:30 PDT 1995
Article: 31124 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > 
> : > 	It was a Catholic university; my friends were of Irish and 
> : > Italian descent, with a couple of Poles thrown in for good measure.  All 
> : > Northern Europeans of the most impeccable credentials.  (Although David 
> : > Padgett has claimed that the Irish aren't really white...)
> 
> : Sure, Kevvie, sure.  You asked them to submit to genetic scans, just in
> : the eventuality that someone took you up on it... Sephardic jews look like
> : Southern Italians.
> 
> 	Les, just when I think you can't surprise me, you do...
> 
> 	The school, (the University of Scranton) was a Catholic school 
> (run by the Society of Jesus, better known as the Jesuits).  My friends 
> were from Philly, New York, and New Jersey for the most part.  Most of 
> them had gone to Catholic schools and were baptized, confirmed, and 
> practicing Roman Catholics.  

Ohmigosh!  And we KNOW that jews CANNOT be Catholics!  They'd NEVER switch
their religion!  How NAIVE of me to even SUSPECT something like that!

> 	I'm sure Messers. Rizzo and Figurelli will be surprised to hear 
> that they are really Sephardic Jews.  (As will the priest at their 
> parish!) And my friends Messers. McColgan, Quinn, McGraw, and Jordan... 
> no more ham and cheese sandwiches for them on St. Paddy's day, eh? 

Ohmigosh!  And we KNOW that jews CANNOT change their names!  They'd NEVER
do something like that!  How NAIVE of me to even SUSPECT something like that!

> : > status."  The tendency to hire lawyers who get you off the hook is 
> : > largely regulated by socioeconomic status.  The tendency to have your 
> : > juvenile antics written off as "sowing your wild oats" instead of getting 
> : > sent to a reform school is largely determined by socioeconomic status.
> 
> : "The justice system is racist!  Free Mumia Abu-Jamal!"
> 
> 	And instead of attempting to refute my statement, Les responds 
> with the equivalent of involuntary grunting.  If JEW-hating J. Lupton 
> ever gets his thorazine prescription straightened out, he might post 
> something on this level...

Kevvie, your "statement" is pure horse-shit, so why should I waste time
trying to "refute" it?  The best thing to do is to let it stand, confront
the world on its own merits, and let everyone see how stupid it is.
 
> : > office management, and various word processing programs -- that you are 
> : > capable of managing a six-line phone system -- and that you are capable 
> : > of running the budget for a small non-profit international development 
> : > foundation? 
> 
> : Once again, sure Kevvie, sure.  I'm supposed to believe your one anecdote,
> : in face of all the OTHER anecdotes I've heard about Black incompetence. 
> : More, I'm supposed to throw away all of my own observations and
> : experiences because YOU tell me that your Black boss is (supposedly) some
> : kind of bureaucratic genius.
> 
> 	Les, I'm sure that for you facts are inconvenient and nasty 
> things, rather like jock itch appears to those people who do not have 
> complete delusional systems to rely upon.  Nevertheless, the fact remains 
> that there _are_ blacks who are capable of performing jobs which you most 
> likely could not perform.  (That is, a job where you don't wear a paper hat).

Amazing, Kevvie.  You talk about how a few Blacks are able to perform
rather complex jobs, yet you won't hear of Blacks who can't even read or
write when they graduate from college.  Your duplicity is astonishing.

I'm quite surprised that you've jumped on the "Les works at Scrawny
Ronnie's" wagon.  You make it sound like there have NEVER been Blacks (or
other minorities) working at fast-food places.
 
> : > 	Indeed... but the Caucusus Mountains are in Turkey.  (And where 
> : > do you suppose the name "Caucasian?" comes from?) 
> 
> : Kevvie, how long ago were the Caucasus Mountains named?
> 
> : "Iran" is a derivative of "Aryan".  Only a fuck-wad would believe that the
> : camel-jockeys there are Aryans now, because Aryans were there once LONG
> : AGO.
> 
> 	And these Aryans, I assume, migrated en masse to Northern Europe, 

Yep.

> in a foreshadowing of the Jewish "Holohoax" exodus to Russia? 

What the HELL are you talking about?

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 19:41:14 PDT 1995
Article: 31124 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > 
> : > 	It was a Catholic university; my friends were of Irish and 
> : > Italian descent, with a couple of Poles thrown in for good measure.  All 
> : > Northern Europeans of the most impeccable credentials.  (Although David 
> : > Padgett has claimed that the Irish aren't really white...)
> 
> : Sure, Kevvie, sure.  You asked them to submit to genetic scans, just in
> : the eventuality that someone took you up on it... Sephardic jews look like
> : Southern Italians.
> 
> 	Les, just when I think you can't surprise me, you do...
> 
> 	The school, (the University of Scranton) was a Catholic school 
> (run by the Society of Jesus, better known as the Jesuits).  My friends 
> were from Philly, New York, and New Jersey for the most part.  Most of 
> them had gone to Catholic schools and were baptized, confirmed, and 
> practicing Roman Catholics.  

Ohmigosh!  And we KNOW that jews CANNOT be Catholics!  They'd NEVER switch
their religion!  How NAIVE of me to even SUSPECT something like that!

> 	I'm sure Messers. Rizzo and Figurelli will be surprised to hear 
> that they are really Sephardic Jews.  (As will the priest at their 
> parish!) And my friends Messers. McColgan, Quinn, McGraw, and Jordan... 
> no more ham and cheese sandwiches for them on St. Paddy's day, eh? 

Ohmigosh!  And we KNOW that jews CANNOT change their names!  They'd NEVER
do something like that!  How NAIVE of me to even SUSPECT something like that!

> : > status."  The tendency to hire lawyers who get you off the hook is 
> : > largely regulated by socioeconomic status.  The tendency to have your 
> : > juvenile antics written off as "sowing your wild oats" instead of getting 
> : > sent to a reform school is largely determined by socioeconomic status.
> 
> : "The justice system is racist!  Free Mumia Abu-Jamal!"
> 
> 	And instead of attempting to refute my statement, Les responds 
> with the equivalent of involuntary grunting.  If JEW-hating J. Lupton 
> ever gets his thorazine prescription straightened out, he might post 
> something on this level...

Kevvie, your "statement" is pure horse-shit, so why should I waste time
trying to "refute" it?  The best thing to do is to let it stand, confront
the world on its own merits, and let everyone see how stupid it is.
 
> : > office management, and various word processing programs -- that you are 
> : > capable of managing a six-line phone system -- and that you are capable 
> : > of running the budget for a small non-profit international development 
> : > foundation? 
> 
> : Once again, sure Kevvie, sure.  I'm supposed to believe your one anecdote,
> : in face of all the OTHER anecdotes I've heard about Black incompetence. 
> : More, I'm supposed to throw away all of my own observations and
> : experiences because YOU tell me that your Black boss is (supposedly) some
> : kind of bureaucratic genius.
> 
> 	Les, I'm sure that for you facts are inconvenient and nasty 
> things, rather like jock itch appears to those people who do not have 
> complete delusional systems to rely upon.  Nevertheless, the fact remains 
> that there _are_ blacks who are capable of performing jobs which you most 
> likely could not perform.  (That is, a job where you don't wear a paper hat).

Amazing, Kevvie.  You talk about how a few Blacks are able to perform
rather complex jobs, yet you won't hear of Blacks who can't even read or
write when they graduate from college.  Your duplicity is astonishing.

I'm quite surprised that you've jumped on the "Les works at Scrawny
Ronnie's" wagon.  You make it sound like there have NEVER been Blacks (or
other minorities) working at fast-food places.
 
> : > 	Indeed... but the Caucusus Mountains are in Turkey.  (And where 
> : > do you suppose the name "Caucasian?" comes from?) 
> 
> : Kevvie, how long ago were the Caucasus Mountains named?
> 
> : "Iran" is a derivative of "Aryan".  Only a fuck-wad would believe that the
> : camel-jockeys there are Aryans now, because Aryans were there once LONG
> : AGO.
> 
> 	And these Aryans, I assume, migrated en masse to Northern Europe, 

Yep.

> in a foreshadowing of the Jewish "Holohoax" exodus to Russia? 

What the HELL are you talking about?

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 22:25:53 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Basketball! (was: Liberals? Intelligent? Gimme a BREAK!)
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Derek Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>Sorry, Stevie Wonder, but that's a load of hooey, and you know it.  Blacks
>>were freed from slavery, NOT through any "boycotts and protests", but
>>through White largess.
> 
> 	Ever hear of Thurgood Marshall? Rev. Martin Luther King? They played
> important roles too!

Ain't Affirmative Action great!?!

Les

--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 22:25:58 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Davie,  Davie, Davie... 
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David Glenfield (dglenfie@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> 
> Hello again ClueLes, it's good to see that your reading skills still 
> haven't improved any since I've been away.
> 
> : > Explain why:
> : > 
> : > - Mumia wasn't allowed to defend himself
> 
> : May have had something to do with the apprehension the court had that he
> : would have used the opportunity to spout revolutionary ideas.
> 
> THe revolutionary idea being that he's innocent?  

No, the idea being that he'd have "kill Whitey" remarks entered into the
court transcripts.  Are you privvy to the thought processes of everyone
who heard that case?  No?  Then why are you telling us that the fact that
he WASN'T representing himself is proof that he got a bum-deal?  Maybe his
lawyers thought he'd have a better chance of getting off if a pro
represented him.

> : You don't need a gun expert to tell if a handgun is a .38 or a .44.  One
> : would have to be illiterate not to know the difference, not to mention
> : blind (a .38 is a LOT smaller than a .44).
> 
> And you reveal that you're not a gun expert when you think that someone 
> could use a .38 to fire a .44 round kiddo.

I don't, arsewipe.  I did admit, however, that I'm not a gun expert.  But
that doesn't mean I subscribe to totally ludicrous ideas.  Gawd, where DO
you liberals get your "brains"?  Wherever it is, you're paying too much.

(snip - "you are too!/I am not!" childish taunting, which David Glenfield
apparently wanted to get into, deleted)

Les

--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 22:26:01 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Derek's IQ (was: Les' Education)
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Derek Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>Would you have even HAD Black teachers, if they hadn't been educated in
>>WHITE culture?
> 
> 	Les seems quite ignorant, both of black teachers & white culture (still
> claiming Nietzsche as an anti-Semite?)

I yam not.  I simply made the observation that if the White man hadn't
pulled the Blacks out of Africa and TAUGHT them what civilization was all
about, there would BE no such thing as Black teachers.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 22:26:08 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > 
> : > 	It was a Catholic university; my friends were of Irish and 
> : > Italian descent, with a couple of Poles thrown in for good measure.  All 
> : > Northern Europeans of the most impeccable credentials.  (Although David 
> : > Padgett has claimed that the Irish aren't really white...)
> 
> : Sure, Kevvie, sure.  You asked them to submit to genetic scans, just in
> : the eventuality that someone took you up on it... Sephardic jews look like
> : Southern Italians.
> 
> 	Les, just when I think you can't surprise me, you do...
> 
> 	The school, (the University of Scranton) was a Catholic school 
> (run by the Society of Jesus, better known as the Jesuits).  My friends 
> were from Philly, New York, and New Jersey for the most part.  Most of 
> them had gone to Catholic schools and were baptized, confirmed, and 
> practicing Roman Catholics.  

Ohmigosh!  And we KNOW that jews CANNOT be Catholics!  They'd NEVER switch
their religion!  How NAIVE of me to even SUSPECT something like that!

> 	I'm sure Messers. Rizzo and Figurelli will be surprised to hear 
> that they are really Sephardic Jews.  (As will the priest at their 
> parish!) And my friends Messers. McColgan, Quinn, McGraw, and Jordan... 
> no more ham and cheese sandwiches for them on St. Paddy's day, eh? 

Ohmigosh!  And we KNOW that jews CANNOT change their names!  They'd NEVER
do something like that!  How NAIVE of me to even SUSPECT something like that!

> : > status."  The tendency to hire lawyers who get you off the hook is 
> : > largely regulated by socioeconomic status.  The tendency to have your 
> : > juvenile antics written off as "sowing your wild oats" instead of getting 
> : > sent to a reform school is largely determined by socioeconomic status.
> 
> : "The justice system is racist!  Free Mumia Abu-Jamal!"
> 
> 	And instead of attempting to refute my statement, Les responds 
> with the equivalent of involuntary grunting.  If JEW-hating J. Lupton 
> ever gets his thorazine prescription straightened out, he might post 
> something on this level...

Kevvie, your "statement" is pure horse-shit, so why should I waste time
trying to "refute" it?  The best thing to do is to let it stand, confront
the world on its own merits, and let everyone see how stupid it is.
 
> : > office management, and various word processing programs -- that you are 
> : > capable of managing a six-line phone system -- and that you are capable 
> : > of running the budget for a small non-profit international development 
> : > foundation? 
> 
> : Once again, sure Kevvie, sure.  I'm supposed to believe your one anecdote,
> : in face of all the OTHER anecdotes I've heard about Black incompetence. 
> : More, I'm supposed to throw away all of my own observations and
> : experiences because YOU tell me that your Black boss is (supposedly) some
> : kind of bureaucratic genius.
> 
> 	Les, I'm sure that for you facts are inconvenient and nasty 
> things, rather like jock itch appears to those people who do not have 
> complete delusional systems to rely upon.  Nevertheless, the fact remains 
> that there _are_ blacks who are capable of performing jobs which you most 
> likely could not perform.  (That is, a job where you don't wear a paper hat).

Amazing, Kevvie.  You talk about how a few Blacks are able to perform
rather complex jobs, yet you won't hear of Blacks who can't even read or
write when they graduate from college.  Your duplicity is astonishing.

I'm quite surprised that you've jumped on the "Les works at Scrawny
Ronnie's" wagon.  You make it sound like there have NEVER been Blacks (or
other minorities) working at fast-food places.
 
> : > 	Indeed... but the Caucusus Mountains are in Turkey.  (And where 
> : > do you suppose the name "Caucasian?" comes from?) 
> 
> : Kevvie, how long ago were the Caucasus Mountains named?
> 
> : "Iran" is a derivative of "Aryan".  Only a fuck-wad would believe that the
> : camel-jockeys there are Aryans now, because Aryans were there once LONG
> : AGO.
> 
> 	And these Aryans, I assume, migrated en masse to Northern Europe, 

Yep.

> in a foreshadowing of the Jewish "Holohoax" exodus to Russia? 

What the HELL are you talking about?

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 22:26:12 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Barefoot and pregnant? (was: How Many Children?)
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>> (lzaird@io.org) writes:

>>> Interesting then that Nazi 3rd reich art depicted women as either naked 
>>> or pregnant, not much more.  Feverant women's libbers, them Nazis.  

>>BWAHAHAHA!!!  You're so stupid, Lizard!  How did mommy and daddy ever get
>>hoodwinked into letting you out of the house?
 
> I'll try and give you some pointers, so mabye one day your parent's will 
> let you out of the basement...What's that?  They're not holding you 
> there?  You're there of your own will?

Gee, that's original, Lizzie.
 
>>Okay, we'll assume that you know your ass from a hole in the ground, for
>>the sake of argument.  So the Nazis weren't "women's libbers" in the
>>Gloria Steinem sense.  So?  The Nazis came a lot closer to realizing the
>>essential role that women (AND men) had to play in THE CONTINUANCE OF THE
>>RACE.  "Freeing" women to be corporate raiders and lawyers doesn't exactly
>>help to further the race, dildo.  Encouraging them to be mothers did.
 
> So freeing women isn't the best thing, but enslaving them to be breeders 
> for more Nazi supermen is great.  I'm sure women, who ARE of free mind 
> and body (much to your dismay, which may explain why you are your own 
> wife.) may not LIKE being seen as nothing but breeders.

It's really telling how you morons use terms like "enslaving" and
"breeders".  It reveals far more about your own prejudices than it
(supposedly) tells of the Nazi master-plot to subvert the whole world and
its institutions.
 
>>One of the greatest test pilots ever to live was in the Third Reich,
>>asshole.  Ever hear of Hannah Reicsh (sp?).  One of the greatest film
>>directors was also a German, who lived during the Third Reich.  Ever hear
>>of Leni Riefenstahl?
> 
> Two examples doesn't equal fair treatment for women.

It doesn't prove that the Nazis were "oppresive", either.
 
>>The Nazis gave awards for motherhood, because motherhood was important to
>>the survival of the race.  They also realized, however, that SOME women
>>(and men) had contributions to make that superceded the duty to have children.
> 
> Ah!  I see!  So when a NAZI woman has a child and get's "rewarded", it's 
> good, but when a "welfare queen" has a child, and gets support money, 
> it's bad.  Good logic Les.  

Right.  Took you long enough to realize the difference, dummy.
 
>>You're so incredibly dense, though.  Because they didn't have shrill,
>>neurotic J.A.P.s marching through the Reichstag, I suppose you'll maintain
>>that they were "oppressive".
> 
> I will maintain that Nazis are oppressive, and repressed.

Maintain what you like, idiot.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 22:26:15 PDT 1995
Article: 12011 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Barefoot and pregnant? (was: How Many Children?)
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B. A. Mylite (bamlink@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
> In alt.politics.white-power bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) said: 
>  
> The Nazis came a lot closer to realizing the essential role that  
>>women (AND men) had to play in THE CONTINUANCE OF THE RACE.  "Freeing"
>>women to be corporate raiders and lawyers doesn't exactly help to further the 
>>race, dildo.  Encouraging them to be mothers did. 
>  
> Think you're going to be able to sell this part of your *philosophy* to the
> people in the Western World? I think not. For the vast majority of people
> *continuance of the race* is not the focal point of life. The pursuit of
> health, happiness, family, comfort, etc. is what most people are motivated
> by, not some silly *let's circle the wagons and keep everyone else out*
> theory. Of course, I hope you keep trying to push this outdated, unworkable
> view of an imaginary Aryan world. It helps to show people how unrealistic
> and foolish you, and all your theories, really are. 

Ah, here we have another democratic idiot.

BTW, what DOES the B.A. stand for?  Bad Attitude?  Are you gonna stomp
around here now telling us that you're gonna "get da fool who disagrees
with me!"

Les


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more than a population.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 22:26:21 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The lynch-pin question of Les's world.
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> So, Les.  
> 
> 	You never really cleared this up for me...
> 
> White man Vs. Black man, what can the day-to-day White man do, that the 
> day-to-day Black man cannot... I'll make up an easy to follow chart, 
> where you can list these special White abilities.

I already did.  I'm not surprised that you repeat the question, remaining
blissfully ignorant of the fact that it's already been answered.  I do
believe that my answer consisted of "1)  Stay off drugs; 2)  Not engage in
civilization-destroying levels of crime; 3)  Not turn his living quarters
into a fucking pig-sty; and one other, I can't remember it right now.  Why
are you such a sucker for punishment that you'd ask for ANOTHER
ass-kicking right after you just got one?

Les


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The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 22:26:26 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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 (Rick Jones) writes:
>>  Oh, I see.  These "white" friends of yours - do you mean White, as in of
>>  Northern European descent, or are you using it in the sense of "white -
>>  that's anything that isn't Black or Asian."?
> 
> I see; are you hinting that "true" White folk don't do drugs?  Uh huh.
> (Snicker)

Not at all.  I'm pointing out that people often define "white" as anything
that isn't Black or Asian.  Puerto Ricans, Indians, Arabs... all classed
as White.  Pretty amazing.
  
Les



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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 22:26:29 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lizard's jingoism! (was: But what the jews can't stand...)
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 (Rick Jones) writes:
>>  Uh, Markie, Roosevelt KNEW that Germany was bound by the Pact of Steel to
>>  declare war on the U.S. in the event that its allies (Italy and Japan)
>>  were declared belligerents by any other power.  That, coupled with his
>>  shameless provocation of the people he should have allied with to destroy
>>  Bolshevism, made it almost a sure-thing that he'd get what he wanted (ie,
>>  war with Germany). 
> 
> That is absolutely false.  Germany was NOT BOUND to declare war on the
> United States, contrary to popular belief.  As evidenced in ANY half-decent 
> text on the Second World War, the Pact required Germany to declare war
> *if Japan was attacked*.

And did, or did not, the United States declare war on Japan right after
Pearl Harbour?

> It was recognized at the time that Japan started
> the war.  John Keegan, in his aptly named "The Second World War," refers
> to Germany's declaration as "completely unnecessary."

I see.  And what is Mr. Keegan's political stance, pray tell?  I imagine
it would be not unadjacent to "Axis bad guys, Allies good."

> Even if you could 
> twist the wording of the Pact to support the idea, I fail to see what forced
> Germany to follow it.  They sure didn't seem to mind attacking a former
> ally in the Soviet Union.

Gee, pretty trusting of those Soviets to trust Hitler, who was supposedly
such a transparent dictator.  Never mentioned is the fact that the
U.S.S.R. was their ALLY until 1941.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 22:26:32 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Lizard's still a goof
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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> Well now you've just made yourself look stupid.
> 
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
>>> Actually, the case only really got to me when I DID see the evedince, 
>>> and court transcripts, and the fact that the same police depertment 
>>> tried to do almost the same thing to him during the 70's.  
>>> Explain why:
>>> - Mumia wasn't allowed to defend himself
>>May have had something to do with the apprehension the court had that he
>>would have used the opportunity to spout revolutionary ideas.
> 
> That's no excuse for the court to dis-allow him defending himself, he is 
> of sound mind and body.  (But now Les will make some sorry remark about 
> the "sound mind and body thing.)

Actually, no I won't.  But just because someone is of "sound mind and
body" doesn't mean they WILL be allowed to defend themselves in court.

>>> - His defense attourney was dis-barred for incompetence 
>>Maybe he was (gasp) incompetent.  
> He was appointed by the state.  Peices falling into place yet?

State-appointed lawyers can still turn out to be incompetent.  Has it sunk
through to your pea-brain yet that not EVERY case of Blacks being found
guilty is proof-positive of "racism"?

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 22:26:37 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Cripes!
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You go away for one week-end, and the liberal twits think they run the place!

Les

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The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 22:26:48 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberal buzz-words and catch-phrases!
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Derek "Lunch" Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>"If only...":  liberals use this to propose their latest LSD trips as
>>"what if"s, assuming that we CARE about their hallucinations.
> 
> 	Ingenious, Les. Now you can tell the contents of people's bloodstreams
> just by reading their posts!!

You're not helping your case any.  I mean, from the semi-literacy and
blatant disregard for reality that you display, I'd assume that you have
more than just a dollop of Black blood in you.

> Is this method related to how the Hiddenbrook Historical Society estimated 
> IQs?

Blah-de-blah-de-blah... still burns your ass that not everyone is down on
Hitler, doesn't it?

If I had posted the estimated IQ figures for the jews Einstein and Marx
(whoops!  They were "atheists", not jews at all), everyone would have
been on here saying, "Gee, the Hiddenbrook Historical Society must be
really SMART!"

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 22:26:52 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Lizard's STILL a goof
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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:

(snip - Lizzie going on and on about how poor ole Mumia Abu-Jamal was a
victim of our "racist" justic system.
 
>>> - Mumia wasn't present for most of his own trial, on Judges orders.
>>A mis-trial is not automatically indicative of racism, Slimy.
> 
> Yeah, but when the death penalty is applied for a crime, which even if 
> he WAS guilty, is not deserving (it wasn't pre-meditated), and a new trial 
> is not granted...it JUST MAY BE systematic racism.

And then again, it may not.  And you'll be a party to race-wars, raping
rioting and looting, to prove it!
 
(snip - Lizard going on and on about the "ballistic" evidence, that was
no doubt taken from Mumia's defence...)

Say, Lizard, ya ever hear of Colin Ferguson?  Mr. "I was asleep, and some
WHITE GUY took my gun and shot those commuters on the subway!" Ferguson?

>>> - Three witnesses, including one White cab driver claim they saw a short 
>>>   man with an Afro shoot the cop.
>>Witnesses have been known to be wrong before, or to perjure themselves. 
>>Why this assumption that, in the trial of a Black man, racism, and racism
>>ALONE, must be the motivating factor?
> 
> Wait 'till you hear how predjuiced the procecution witnesses are.. They 
> were let off of warrants and jail time if they testified.  (sounding a 
> little suspicious?)

Not at all.  Promising lighter treatment for testimony happens a lot. 
It's only indicative of wrong-doing, though, when a common practice is
used against a Black, right?

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 22:27:39 PDT 1995
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Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes: 
> 
>>If I had posted the estimated IQ figures for the jews Einstein 
>>and Marx (whoops!  They were "atheists", not jews at all),
> 
> Actually, although Einstein was Jewish (he wasn't an atheist, BTW)
> Marx was raised as a Lutheran.

Why, thank you, Lane, for providing me with the opportunity to mention
again another point that's funny about the kosher krowd:  how a little
baptismal water all of a sudden makes them not jewish, yet they're jewish
when it comes time to take the credit for whatever.  Benjamin Disraeli,
for example.  He was a damped jew, Episcopalean (sp?), but mockie
chest-thumpers never neglect to mention that he was a jew.  Now, why is
that?  He didn't go to synagogue, so how could he have been a yid? 
Unless, that is, there's SOMETHING ELSE besides religion that makes one a
jew...

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 22:27:42 PDT 1995
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David Glenfield (dglenfie@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : B. A. Mylite (bamlink@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
> : > In alt.politics.white-power bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) said: 
> : >  
> : > The Nazis came a lot closer to realizing the essential role that  
> : >>women (AND men) had to play in THE CONTINUANCE OF THE RACE.  "Freeing"
> : >>women to be corporate raiders and lawyers doesn't exactly help to further the 
> : >>race, dildo.  Encouraging them to be mothers did. 
> : >  
> : > Think you're going to be able to sell this part of your *philosophy* to the
> : > people in the Western World? I think not. For the vast majority of people
> : > *continuance of the race* is not the focal point of life. The pursuit of
> : > health, happiness, family, comfort, etc. is what most people are motivated
> : > by, not some silly *let's circle the wagons and keep everyone else out*
> : > theory. Of course, I hope you keep trying to push this outdated, unworkable
> : > view of an imaginary Aryan world. It helps to show people how unrealistic
> : > and foolish you, and all your theories, really are. 
> 
> : Ah, here we have another democratic idiot.
> 
> As opposed to being a tyrant wanna-be, I think I'd want to be the 
> democratic individual; we win more wars than your sort do.

Oh, jeepers, here we go with another chest-thumping idjut who thinks that
the (sound of trumpets) "Good Guys" won every war since time began.

(snip - pathetic attempt at a flame by Glenfield deleted.  Trust me,
you're not missing much)

> Nah, I'm just here to make fun of twits like yourself, Clueles.

Then you're doing a pretty piss-poor job.
 
Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 13 22:27:46 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: The lynch-pin question of Les's world.
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :I already did.  I'm not surprised that you repeat the question, remaining
>   :blissfully ignorant of the fact that it's already been answered.  I do
>   :believe that my answer consisted of "1)  Stay off drugs;
> 
> Most blacks do. Many whites don't.
> 
>   :2)  Not engage in civilization-destroying levels of crime; 
> 
> Most blacks don't. Many whites do.
> 
>   :3)  Not turn his living quarters into a fucking pig-sty;
> 
> Most blacks don't. Many whites do.
> 
>   :and one other, I can't remember it right now.
> 
> Something about abandoning their children, I believe.
> 
> The point is that none of these activities are racially determined. What
> we'd all love to see is one relevant difference--one relevant fact that is
> true of all or nearly all blacks and of no or nearly no whites. The word
> "relevant" is there to weed out the usual blather about ear wax.

Ah, Raggedy, Raggedy, Raggedy...

How nice to see you putting in your two cents' worth, even though you're a
total idiot.  Has it never occurred to you that shooting off your mouth
all the time is actually CONFIRMING it for many lurkers?

Well, then, Raggedy, wanna tell me about how Whites make a "relevant"
number of druggies, criminals, slum-dwellers, and family-abandoners?

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 14 04:14:34 PDT 1995
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :If I had posted the estimated IQ figures for the jews Einstein and Marx
>   :(whoops!  They were "atheists", not jews at all), everyone would have
>   :been on here saying, "Gee, the Hiddenbrook Historical Society must be
>   :really SMART!"
> 
> No, actually, we'd be wondering why these idiots wasted their time
> estimating Einstein's IQ posthumously when it was thoroughly tested when
> he was alive. We'd wonder what their agenda was in "estimating" Marx's IQ
> in the 200s (the fact that all of the IQs given were of German
> nationalists or Nazi leaders made the agenda blatantly obvious). We'd want
> to see their methodology for something as patently absurd as posthumous IQ
> estimates.

Sorry, Raggedy.  They DID estimate the IQs of Marx and Einstein, and also
(I believe) Wittgenstein, and a couple of other jews, whose names I can't
recall at the moment.  What "agenda" might THAT mean, if they do both
Nazis and jews?

(watch Raggedy squirm).
 
> And we'd still wonder why this organization has never published anything
> (aside from an unnamed article in an unnamed magazine, which you "cited")
> and has an unlisted telephone number.

Maybe they don't want ignoramuses like you to pester them.
 
Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Ain't Affirmative Action great!?!
> 
> Aren't non-sequiturs fun?
> 
> Dr. King began his career as assistant pastor at Ebeneezer Baptist Church,
> where the pastor was the Rev. Martin Luther King, Sr. That's not
> affirmative action. It's nepotism.

We weren't talking about "Dr. Reverend" Martin Luther King.  We were
talking about Kevvie's superb Black boss, who can handle a truly
impressivve workload, balance a watermelon on her head, and run a 100-yard
dash with a hubcap.
 
> Thurgood Marshall won case after case before the U.S. Supreme Court, most
> of them landmarks in American jurisprudence. His briefs are found in more
> law school textbooks than any other attorney. Marshall earned his law
> degree at Howard University because, at the time, few "white" law schools
> admitted blacks. He went on to become arguably the most brilliant and
> accomplished trial attorney in the US in this century. Only Clarence
> Darrow comes close.

Oh, gimme a break.  Thurgood Marshall was also instrumental in making sure
that only the equalitarian side was heard in the 1954 _Brown vs. Board of
Education_ farce, and the retrial.  It had been decided what the outcome
was to be BEFORE the show-trial, and Marshall just rubber-stamped the
decision that had been made for him.

Les



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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 14 04:14:47 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberal buzz-words and catch-phrases!
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J. E. Cowen (janellco@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
>>> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes: 

>>If I had posted the estimated IQ figures for the jews Einstein and Marx  
>>(whoops!  They were "atheists", not jews at all), everyone would have been
>>on here saying, "Gee, the Hiddenbrook Historical Society must be really
>>SMART!" 

> The Hiddenbrook Historical Society is a _source_  for 'make it up as you go
> along' _history_  and   has earned  the deserved scholarly reputation of being
> the *Well Hidden Babbling Brook Anti- Historical Society*. 
>  Less,  now you say Einstein and Marx weren't _Jews_.

That was sarcasm, twit.  Seems you and Lizard share the inability to
identify it.

> You see the world
> through the distorted view of_ revision_  glasses.   You  incorrectly
> classify Jews as a *race*,

Gee, only me and everyone who ever writes about that tribe.  Why is it
that on the fly-leaf of EVERY book about "da joos" that I bother to look
at in the bookstores (I'd never buy that semitophillic crap) identifies
the jews as a "5,000-year-old RACE"?  Wanna clarify that one for me?

> then  
> you label some Jews as "atheists",  to disclaim they are  Jewish.   

Sarcasm again.  Geez, I wish you idiots would quit waxin eloquent about
what I never said.

>  What is true and consistent  is that as a *revisionist* you   disregard or
>  distort the  facts, and  cite  the  *not* credible Hiddenbrook Historical
> Society as your source .  When you and other  *revisionists*  say that the
> Hiddenbrook Historical Society "...must really be SMART!", then in fact, it
> really must be DUMB! 

Wow, you are really STUPID.  But you'd better knock it off, you're going
to make Lizard jealous of your howling idiocy.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 14 04:14:52 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Richard Marquez (gmarquez@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > The Nazis came a lot closer to realizing the essential role that  
> : >>women (AND men) had to play in THE CONTINUANCE OF THE RACE.  "Freeing"
> : >>women to be corporate raiders and lawyers doesn't exactly help to further the 
> : >>race, dildo.  Encouraging them to be mothers did. 
> : >  
> : > Think you're going to be able to sell this part of your *philosophy* to the
> : > people in the Western World? I think not. For the vast majority of people
> : > *continuance of the race* is not the focal point of life. The pursuit of
> : > health, happiness, family, comfort, etc. is what most people are motivated
> 
> : Ah, here we have another democratic idiot.
> 
> Great refutation.
> 
> You could have said "Yes, I think I CAN sell this part of my
> philosophy because of ."
> 
> But I guess "Ah, here we have another democratic idiot" is just
> much more intelligent and forcefull...

More to the point, Marker, is that I find it hilarious that dysfunctional
idiots come here and think that "racism" is, or should be, based on
popular appeal alone.  The masses (gawd, I hate using commie words, but
whatcha gonna do?) will ALWAYS follow strong, dynamic leaders.
 
Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 14 04:14:55 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: NBC's African Lost Civilization
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Polattolah (ral007@omni.voicenet.com) writes:
> Tonight, (8/13/95) I saw NBC's Lost Civilizations-Africa.
> 
> I all of the interior of Africa, only a double wall of stones comprising a 
> fortress of some type has been found. There is a stone tower inside and some 
> palm sized gold statuettes. 
> 
> There is no written language, there is no machinery of any type and I saw no 
> evidence of any scientific inquiry. There was no evidence of even the most 
> elementary sanitation facilities.
> 
> While there is some development along the "Gold & Ivory" Coasts, I could 
> plainly see the Arabic influence of the "Sultans" who ran the trade. It is 
> rubble and jungle now.
> 
> What the hell is NBC trying to pull off, they have only reinforced the 
> primitive nature of the sub Saharan African continent.

It's great when someone starts getting into details like that.  It SHOWS
what a load of crap they're trying to put forth as "evidence of a great
Black civilization".  That NBC special did more to prove our point than a
thousand posts here ever could.

Les
   


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 14 04:15:02 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lizard's jingoism! (was: But what the jews can't stand...)
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>> (lzaird@io.org) writes:
>>> Les, in a message posted publicly to me, regarding your assertian that 
>>> the Jews got the US into WWII, you said that you were being sarcastic.  
>>No, I was repeating the suck-and-jive that the Chosenites want us to
>>believe, namely that WWII was fought to save their kosher asses from Uncle
>>Adolf's "gas chambers".  Never to be mentioned, of course, is the fact
>>that the U.S. was strongly AGAINST intervention, and didn't buy this
>>crapola about "gassing jews".
> 
> Yeah, RIGHT!  You've posted at least three messages saying how you think 
> the Jews started WWII.  Other zany lib'rals can back me up on this one, 
> they were PUBLIC messages.  

Re-read what you've said, Schleppo.  I said (and still maintain) that the
jews got the U.S. into WWII.  The "accepted history" is that it was a
crusade to save mankind from "The Forces of Darkness", but the main focus
was to end Adolf's persecution of the jews.  Perish the thought that there
may have been some OTHER reason for it.
 
> This little rant about Jews thinking WWII was fought to save them is a 
> new spin on what you were saying.  Nice attempt to warp your own bizarre 
> conspiracy ideas into something that doesn't sound crazy.

*sigh*  Why do I feel like a missionary working with the retarded?  Oh,
it's because I'm talking to Lizard...

I never said that the jews think WWII was fought to save them.  I DID say
that that was what they want the REST of us to think (so that they can
keep flogging us with the "holocaust" crap).

>>> So which is it?  Were you being sarcastic, or were you being serious?
>>Too bad.  In your rush to be sarcastic, as per McKinsty's suggestion,
>>you've gone and turned stupid instead.
> 
> So, which is it?

I was being sarcastic about WWII REALLY being about saving the jews.  I
was being serious about their railroading the U.S. into the war.
 
Lizard, you're incredibly childish and ignorant.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 14 04:15:05 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>David Glenfield (dglenfie@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
>>>lzaird wrote:
>>> : > - Mumia wasn't allowed to defend himself
>>> : May have had something to do with the apprehension the court had that he
>>> : would have used the opportunity to spout revolutionary ideas.
>>> THe revolutionary idea being that he's innocent?  
>>No, the idea being that he'd have "kill Whitey" remarks entered into the
>>court transcripts.  Are you privvy to the thought processes of everyone
>>who heard that case?  No?  Then why are you telling us that the fact that
>>he WASN'T representing himself is proof that he got a bum-deal?  Maybe his
>>lawyers thought he'd have a better chance of getting off if a pro
>>represented him.
> 
> A pro??? Diddn't we cover the fact that the state appointed attourney 
> diddn't lift a finger to defend Mumia?  And was later disbarred!  Pro 
> indeed.

Nope.  You simply said that Mummy's lawyer was disbarred.  Never said
anything about it, other than that.

How like a liberal:  present a FEW facts, force the opposition to take a
position, then, AFTER they've committed, present some MORE facts.

> Anyways, a person's political beliefs are not grounds for 
> denying a person the right to defend him/herself... 

"Dream, dream, dream, dream..."

(BTW, Lizard, that's lampooning of your damn-fool statement)

>>> : You don't need a gun expert to tell if a handgun is a .38 or a .44.  One
>>> : would have to be illiterate not to know the difference, not to mention
>>> : blind (a .38 is a LOT smaller than a .44).
>>> And you reveal that you're not a gun expert when you think that someone 
>>> could use a .38 to fire a .44 round kiddo.
>>I don't, arsewipe.  I did admit, however, that I'm not a gun expert.  But
>>that doesn't mean I subscribe to totally ludicrous ideas.  Gawd, where DO
>>you liberals get your "brains"?  Wherever it is, you're paying too much.
> 
> So, how was the cop shot with a .44?  Mumia had a .38, explain it!

You explain it.  You're the one who thinks civilization as we know it will
come to a screeching halt if Mummy gets the death sentence.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 14 04:15:10 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Lzaird (lzaird@io.org) writes:
>>> That's no excuse for the court to dis-allow him defending himself, he is 
>>> of sound mind and body.  (But now Les will make some sorry remark about 
>>> the "sound mind and body thing.)
>>Actually, no I won't.  But just because someone is of "sound mind and
>>body" doesn't mean they WILL be allowed to defend themselves in court.
> 
> Ok, what other circumstances would permit the Judge to dis-allow Mumia 
> to defend himself?  Not political beliefs Les.  What else could it be?  

Why don't you tell us, since you're the self-appointed Mumia expert around
here?  Do it like you libs normally do:  present a FEW facts, make a
conclusion FOR us, then present some MORE facts after we think we have 'em
all.

> And why was Mumia not allowed to be there for most of his own trial?

He could have been tried _in absentia_.  Happens often.  I don't know when
he was arrested, but I have the sneaking suspicion that NOW you're going
to tell me.

>>> He was appointed by the state.  Peices falling into place yet?
>>State-appointed lawyers can still turn out to be incompetent.  Has it sunk
>>through to your pea-brain yet that not EVERY case of Blacks being found
>>guilty is proof-positive of "racism"?
> 
> That's right.  And he should have gotten a new trial, because he had NO 
> defense under the appointed attourney.  But he diddn't, he got sent 
> right to death row.  Explain how that's fair.  Racism or not.

That's rich, Lizard.  You're asking me to defend a position I really don't
care about.  LOTS of people ride the lightning or do the air-dance for
crimes they didn't commit.  Why is Mumia Abu-Jamal so different?  Because
he's Black?

Les


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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
>>(snip - Lizzie going on and on about how poor ole Mumia Abu-Jamal was a
>>victim of our "racist" justic system.)
> 
> Racist or not, it wasn't a fair trial.

That's interesting, Lizard.  You've gone from ranting n' raving about how
"racist" our justice system is (although to give you credit, you've
avoided the actual word, just larded your messages with tons of
innuendoes), to saying that it "wasn't a fair trial".

I've got news for you, Lizard:  mistrial does NOT equal racism.  Got it?
 
>>>>> - Mumia wasn't present for most of his own trial, on Judges orders.
>>>>A mis-trial is not automatically indicative of racism, Slimy.
>>> Yeah, but when the death penalty is applied for a crime, which even if 
>>> he WAS guilty, is not deserving (it wasn't pre-meditated), and a new trial 
>>> is not granted...it JUST MAY BE systematic racism.
>>And then again, it may not.  And you'll be a party to race-wars, raping
>>rioting and looting, to prove it!
> 
> Les, there aren't going to be any Riots...

Wanna bet?

> The only people really involved are Colledge and University students, and it
> hasn't been sensationalized enough by the media to provolk those kind of
> actions.  

Gee, for "Colledge and University students", some of 'em seem pretty old,
not to mention strangely well-financed.

(snip)
 
>>Say, Lizard, ya ever hear of Colin Ferguson?  Mr. "I was asleep, and some
>>WHITE GUY took my gun and shot those commuters on the subway!" Ferguson?
> 
> Yeah, he was crazy, but he was allowed to defend himself, right?  Mumia 
> isn't crazy, why wasn't he?

Who cares?  You know, this "Save Mumia Abu-Jamal" dreck is having the
effect of firming up antipathy AGAINST Blacks.  As more and more details
about this and other Black criminal proceedings comes out, people are
really SEEING how Blacks are, by and large, coddled.  It's not just the
rantings of a few "wild-eyed racists" anymore.

Mummy may have been the victim of justice gone bad.  Hell, he may even
have been the victim of a racial conspiracy.  But the point is, are you
guys doing him any good shooting off your mouths in fifty different
directions?

Now, can we put this Mumia Abu-Jamal shit to rest?  NOBODY CARES!!!

(snip)
 
> Then again if this were the Randy Weaver case, you'd be bitching the 
> other side of this argument.

Duh, gee, what was your first clue?  Randy Weaver, whatever his religious
beliefs, is one of my own.  Mummy Abu-Jam'n'peanutbutter isn't.

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>I was being sarcastic about WWII REALLY being about saving the jews.  I
>was being serious about their railroading the U.S. into the war.

The Jews bombed Pearl Harbor?

You do know it was Nazi Germany who declared war on the US, and not
the other way around?


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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>> (lzaird@io.org) writes:
>>> Les, in a message posted publicly to me, regarding your assertian that 
>>> the Jews got the US into WWII, you said that you were being sarcastic.  
>>No, I was repeating the suck-and-jive that the Chosenites want us to
>>believe, namely that WWII was fought to save their kosher asses from Uncle
>>Adolf's "gas chambers".  Never to be mentioned, of course, is the fact
>>that the U.S. was strongly AGAINST intervention, and didn't buy this
>>crapola about "gassing jews".
> 
> Yeah, RIGHT!  You've posted at least three messages saying how you think 
> the Jews started WWII.  Other zany lib'rals can back me up on this one, 
> they were PUBLIC messages.  

Re-read what you've said, Schleppo.  I said (and still maintain) that the
jews got the U.S. into WWII.  The "accepted history" is that it was a
crusade to save mankind from "The Forces of Darkness", but the main focus
was to end Adolf's persecution of the jews.  Perish the thought that there
may have been some OTHER reason for it.
 
> This little rant about Jews thinking WWII was fought to save them is a 
> new spin on what you were saying.  Nice attempt to warp your own bizarre 
> conspiracy ideas into something that doesn't sound crazy.

*sigh*  Why do I feel like a missionary working with the retarded?  Oh,
it's because I'm talking to Lizard...

I never said that the jews think WWII was fought to save them.  I DID say
that that was what they want the REST of us to think (so that they can
keep flogging us with the "holocaust" crap).

>>> So which is it?  Were you being sarcastic, or were you being serious?
>>Too bad.  In your rush to be sarcastic, as per McKinsty's suggestion,
>>you've gone and turned stupid instead.
> 
> So, which is it?

I was being sarcastic about WWII REALLY being about saving the jews.  I
was being serious about their railroading the U.S. into the war.
 
Lizard, you're incredibly childish and ignorant.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>I was being sarcastic about WWII REALLY being about saving the jews.  I
>was being serious about their railroading the U.S. into the war.

The Jews bombed Pearl Harbor?

You do know it was Nazi Germany who declared war on the US, and not
the other way around?


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 15 06:31:23 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>> (lzaird@io.org) writes:

>>> Interesting then that Nazi 3rd reich art depicted women as either naked 
>>> or pregnant, not much more.  Feverant women's libbers, them Nazis.  

>>BWAHAHAHA!!!  You're so stupid, Lizard!  How did mommy and daddy ever get
>>hoodwinked into letting you out of the house?
 
> I'll try and give you some pointers, so mabye one day your parent's will 
> let you out of the basement...What's that?  They're not holding you 
> there?  You're there of your own will?

Gee, that's original, Lizzie.
 
>>Okay, we'll assume that you know your ass from a hole in the ground, for
>>the sake of argument.  So the Nazis weren't "women's libbers" in the
>>Gloria Steinem sense.  So?  The Nazis came a lot closer to realizing the
>>essential role that women (AND men) had to play in THE CONTINUANCE OF THE
>>RACE.  "Freeing" women to be corporate raiders and lawyers doesn't exactly
>>help to further the race, dildo.  Encouraging them to be mothers did.
 
> So freeing women isn't the best thing, but enslaving them to be breeders 
> for more Nazi supermen is great.  I'm sure women, who ARE of free mind 
> and body (much to your dismay, which may explain why you are your own 
> wife.) may not LIKE being seen as nothing but breeders.

It's really telling how you morons use terms like "enslaving" and
"breeders".  It reveals far more about your own prejudices than it
(supposedly) tells of the Nazi master-plot to subvert the whole world and
its institutions.
 
>>One of the greatest test pilots ever to live was in the Third Reich,
>>asshole.  Ever hear of Hannah Reicsh (sp?).  One of the greatest film
>>directors was also a German, who lived during the Third Reich.  Ever hear
>>of Leni Riefenstahl?
> 
> Two examples doesn't equal fair treatment for women.

It doesn't prove that the Nazis were "oppresive", either.
 
>>The Nazis gave awards for motherhood, because motherhood was important to
>>the survival of the race.  They also realized, however, that SOME women
>>(and men) had contributions to make that superceded the duty to have children.
> 
> Ah!  I see!  So when a NAZI woman has a child and get's "rewarded", it's 
> good, but when a "welfare queen" has a child, and gets support money, 
> it's bad.  Good logic Les.  

Right.  Took you long enough to realize the difference, dummy.
 
>>You're so incredibly dense, though.  Because they didn't have shrill,
>>neurotic J.A.P.s marching through the Reichstag, I suppose you'll maintain
>>that they were "oppressive".
> 
> I will maintain that Nazis are oppressive, and repressed.

Maintain what you like, idiot.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 15 06:32:06 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lizard's jingoism! (was: But what the jews can't stand...)
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>> (lzaird@io.org) writes:
>>> Les, in a message posted publicly to me, regarding your assertian that 
>>> the Jews got the US into WWII, you said that you were being sarcastic.  
>>No, I was repeating the suck-and-jive that the Chosenites want us to
>>believe, namely that WWII was fought to save their kosher asses from Uncle
>>Adolf's "gas chambers".  Never to be mentioned, of course, is the fact
>>that the U.S. was strongly AGAINST intervention, and didn't buy this
>>crapola about "gassing jews".
> 
> Yeah, RIGHT!  You've posted at least three messages saying how you think 
> the Jews started WWII.  Other zany lib'rals can back me up on this one, 
> they were PUBLIC messages.  

Re-read what you've said, Schleppo.  I said (and still maintain) that the
jews got the U.S. into WWII.  The "accepted history" is that it was a
crusade to save mankind from "The Forces of Darkness", but the main focus
was to end Adolf's persecution of the jews.  Perish the thought that there
may have been some OTHER reason for it.
 
> This little rant about Jews thinking WWII was fought to save them is a 
> new spin on what you were saying.  Nice attempt to warp your own bizarre 
> conspiracy ideas into something that doesn't sound crazy.

*sigh*  Why do I feel like a missionary working with the retarded?  Oh,
it's because I'm talking to Lizard...

I never said that the jews think WWII was fought to save them.  I DID say
that that was what they want the REST of us to think (so that they can
keep flogging us with the "holocaust" crap).

>>> So which is it?  Were you being sarcastic, or were you being serious?
>>Too bad.  In your rush to be sarcastic, as per McKinsty's suggestion,
>>you've gone and turned stupid instead.
> 
> So, which is it?

I was being sarcastic about WWII REALLY being about saving the jews.  I
was being serious about their railroading the U.S. into the war.
 
Lizard, you're incredibly childish and ignorant.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bzs@world.std.com Tue Aug 15 06:32:16 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>I was being sarcastic about WWII REALLY being about saving the jews.  I
>was being serious about their railroading the U.S. into the war.

The Jews bombed Pearl Harbor?

You do know it was Nazi Germany who declared war on the US, and not
the other way around?


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 15 06:32:48 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Yo, liberal scum!  Look what I found!
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Brofish (brofish@aol.com) writes:
> You can make up whatever pissant claims you want for the Norwegians and
> Danes and other little lice that were overrun.  But the big Allied powers
> fought the Nazis because they were afraid that Hitler would take their
> property and wealth away.  Is it any coincidence that this was mainly
> Jewish property and wealth?  World War II was fought for the control of
> Jew money.

I think Brofish is Black, but I'm not too sure.

Les

--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 15 12:12:13 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Ohmigosh!  And we KNOW that jews CANNOT be Catholics!  They'd NEVER switch
> : their religion!  How NAIVE of me to even SUSPECT something like that!
> 
> 	A Jew who switches his or her religion, and ceases to identify as 
> a Jew, is _not_ a Jew in either the religious or the cultural sense.  In 
> any event, this was not the case for my friends.  I met their parents... 
> and they were certainly Catholic and Gentile.  

But they ARE still jews in the RACIAL sense, which is the only one that
matters.

(snip)
 
> : > 	I'm sure Messers. Rizzo and Figurelli will be surprised to hear 
> : > that they are really Sephardic Jews.  (As will the priest at their 
> : > parish!) And my friends Messers. McColgan, Quinn, McGraw, and Jordan... 
> : > no more ham and cheese sandwiches for them on St. Paddy's day, eh? 
> 
> : Ohmigosh!  And we KNOW that jews CANNOT change their names!  They'd NEVER
> : do something like that!  How NAIVE of me to even SUSPECT something like that!
> 
> 	Methinks Les has fallen victim to J. Lupton's disease; everyone 
> he dislikes is a JEW now.  Ivan Stang was right; certain forms of bigotry 
> have the same effect as large doses of methamphetamine.

Actually, Ivan Stang is a jew.  Really!  In _High Weirdness by Mail_, he
tried to slam the Church of the Creator, and failed miserably.  Got them
some great publicity, though.
 
> : > 	And instead of attempting to refute my statement, Les responds 
> : > with the equivalent of involuntary grunting.  If JEW-hating J. Lupton 
> : > ever gets his thorazine prescription straightened out, he might post 
> : > something on this level...
> 
> : Kevvie, your "statement" is pure horse-shit, so why should I waste time
> : trying to "refute" it?  The best thing to do is to let it stand, confront
> : the world on its own merits, and let everyone see how stupid it is.
> 
> 	OK... so I'm stupid for claiming that rich people can afford 
> better legal representation than poor people.

No, you're just plain stupid.  It's obvious to ANYONE that money equals
justice all too often, but you were making the clear implication that
"socioeconomic status" = crime.
 
(snip)

> : Amazing, Kevvie.  You talk about how a few Blacks are able to perform
> : rather complex jobs, yet you won't hear of Blacks who can't even read or
> : write when they graduate from college.  Your duplicity is astonishing.
> 
> 	And there are white people who graduate from college who cannot 
> read or write at an acceptable level.  So what is your point, Les? 

My point IS, shit-for-brains, that people like you only want to focus on
the high-achieving Blacks, and the retarded whites.  Quite telling, actually.
 
(snip)

> : > in a foreshadowing of the Jewish "Holohoax" exodus to Russia? 
> 
> : What the HELL are you talking about?
> 
> 	All the missing Jews of Eastern Europe are, according to many 
> revisionists, in Russia.  (They never left any evidence of their transit, 
> but evidence is such an inconvenience when you get in the way of a good 
> story).

They could be on Mars for all I care.

> I'm assuming that any lack of evidence for a mass "Aryan" migration will be 
> shrugged away in a similar vein.

Assume what you want.  It's just confirming what people think about you
anyway.

Les


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Subject: Man, am I SORRY...
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I'm really sorry, Brofish, for suggesting that you're Black.  About the
only thing worse, I guess, would be to have suggested that you were a jew...

>... If you are white, Bell, then quit touting the third-rate philosophies of
> witch doctors.  They do not share your interests.

No good trying to talk sense to brain-deaders like Bell.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 15 12:12:21 PDT 1995
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Marc Sane (msteier@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In a better world, after we hang the rich white/black/asian/etc men/
> women (notice the unifying factor here--rich)  we would take the guts
> of the capitalists and make nooses for the virulent racists and class
> traitors like Les.  He demeans his working class roots by not
> recognizing the ties he has to all working people.  In a better world;
> meanwhile we just have to put up with his lies and venom.  Poor Les,
> living out of his trailer and eating canned baked beans.  I almost feel
> bad for him.  almost.

Ah, yes, the big brave "lawyer" puts in another appearance to cover his
ass with the "working class", whom he obviously believes are going to
SUCCESSFULLY just up and revolt, just like that, in perfect accord with
HIS world-view.

Les


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Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes: 
> 
>>If I had posted the estimated IQ figures for the jews Einstein 
>>and Marx (whoops!  They were "atheists", not jews at all),
> 
> Actually, although Einstein was Jewish (he wasn't an atheist, BTW)
> Marx was raised as a Lutheran.

Why, thank you, Lane, for providing me with the opportunity to mention
again another point that's funny about the kosher krowd:  how a little
baptismal water all of a sudden makes them not jewish, yet they're jewish
when it comes time to take the credit for whatever.  Benjamin Disraeli,
for example.  He was a damped jew, Episcopalean (sp?), but mockie
chest-thumpers never neglect to mention that he was a jew.  Now, why is
that?  He didn't go to synagogue, so how could he have been a yid? 
Unless, that is, there's SOMETHING ELSE besides religion that makes one a
jew...

Les


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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :If I had posted the estimated IQ figures for the jews Einstein and Marx
>   :(whoops!  They were "atheists", not jews at all), everyone would have
>   :been on here saying, "Gee, the Hiddenbrook Historical Society must be
>   :really SMART!"
> 
> No, actually, we'd be wondering why these idiots wasted their time
> estimating Einstein's IQ posthumously when it was thoroughly tested when
> he was alive. We'd wonder what their agenda was in "estimating" Marx's IQ
> in the 200s (the fact that all of the IQs given were of German
> nationalists or Nazi leaders made the agenda blatantly obvious). We'd want
> to see their methodology for something as patently absurd as posthumous IQ
> estimates.

Sorry, Raggedy.  They DID estimate the IQs of Marx and Einstein, and also
(I believe) Wittgenstein, and a couple of other jews, whose names I can't
recall at the moment.  What "agenda" might THAT mean, if they do both
Nazis and jews?

(watch Raggedy squirm).
 
> And we'd still wonder why this organization has never published anything
> (aside from an unnamed article in an unnamed magazine, which you "cited")
> and has an unlisted telephone number.

Maybe they don't want ignoramuses like you to pester them.
 
Les


--
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more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 15 15:57:01 PDT 1995
Article: 25462 of alt.skinheads
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Basketball! (was: Liberals? Intelligent? Gimme a BREAK!)
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Ain't Affirmative Action great!?!
> 
> Aren't non-sequiturs fun?
> 
> Dr. King began his career as assistant pastor at Ebeneezer Baptist Church,
> where the pastor was the Rev. Martin Luther King, Sr. That's not
> affirmative action. It's nepotism.

We weren't talking about "Dr. Reverend" Martin Luther King.  We were
talking about Kevvie's superb Black boss, who can handle a truly
impressivve workload, balance a watermelon on her head, and run a 100-yard
dash with a hubcap.
 
> Thurgood Marshall won case after case before the U.S. Supreme Court, most
> of them landmarks in American jurisprudence. His briefs are found in more
> law school textbooks than any other attorney. Marshall earned his law
> degree at Howard University because, at the time, few "white" law schools
> admitted blacks. He went on to become arguably the most brilliant and
> accomplished trial attorney in the US in this century. Only Clarence
> Darrow comes close.

Oh, gimme a break.  Thurgood Marshall was also instrumental in making sure
that only the equalitarian side was heard in the 1954 _Brown vs. Board of
Education_ farce, and the retrial.  It had been decided what the outcome
was to be BEFORE the show-trial, and Marshall just rubber-stamped the
decision that had been made for him.

Les



--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 15 15:57:06 PDT 1995
Article: 25464 of alt.skinheads
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lizard's jingoism! (was: But what the jews can't stand...)
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>> (lzaird@io.org) writes:
>>> Les, in a message posted publicly to me, regarding your assertian that 
>>> the Jews got the US into WWII, you said that you were being sarcastic.  
>>No, I was repeating the suck-and-jive that the Chosenites want us to
>>believe, namely that WWII was fought to save their kosher asses from Uncle
>>Adolf's "gas chambers".  Never to be mentioned, of course, is the fact
>>that the U.S. was strongly AGAINST intervention, and didn't buy this
>>crapola about "gassing jews".
> 
> Yeah, RIGHT!  You've posted at least three messages saying how you think 
> the Jews started WWII.  Other zany lib'rals can back me up on this one, 
> they were PUBLIC messages.  

Re-read what you've said, Schleppo.  I said (and still maintain) that the
jews got the U.S. into WWII.  The "accepted history" is that it was a
crusade to save mankind from "The Forces of Darkness", but the main focus
was to end Adolf's persecution of the jews.  Perish the thought that there
may have been some OTHER reason for it.
 
> This little rant about Jews thinking WWII was fought to save them is a 
> new spin on what you were saying.  Nice attempt to warp your own bizarre 
> conspiracy ideas into something that doesn't sound crazy.

*sigh*  Why do I feel like a missionary working with the retarded?  Oh,
it's because I'm talking to Lizard...

I never said that the jews think WWII was fought to save them.  I DID say
that that was what they want the REST of us to think (so that they can
keep flogging us with the "holocaust" crap).

>>> So which is it?  Were you being sarcastic, or were you being serious?
>>Too bad.  In your rush to be sarcastic, as per McKinsty's suggestion,
>>you've gone and turned stupid instead.
> 
> So, which is it?

I was being sarcastic about WWII REALLY being about saving the jews.  I
was being serious about their railroading the U.S. into the war.
 
Lizard, you're incredibly childish and ignorant.

Les


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From bzs@world.std.com Tue Aug 15 15:57:21 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>I was being sarcastic about WWII REALLY being about saving the jews.  I
>was being serious about their railroading the U.S. into the war.

The Jews bombed Pearl Harbor?

You do know it was Nazi Germany who declared war on the US, and not
the other way around?


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 15 15:57:37 PDT 1995
Article: 25496 of alt.skinheads
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Basketball! (was: Liberals? Intelligent? Gimme a BREAK!)
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Derek Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>Sorry, Stevie Wonder, but that's a load of hooey, and you know it.  Blacks
>>were freed from slavery, NOT through any "boycotts and protests", but
>>through White largess.
> 
> 	Ever hear of Thurgood Marshall? Rev. Martin Luther King? They played
> important roles too!

Are you an acrobat?  I mean, this flip-flop is just incredible.

Stop breathing through your mouth for a second, and re-read what I wrote: 
Blacks were freed from slavery, NOT through any "boycotts and protests",
but through White largess.  Meaning, if Whites had wanted to keep the
Blacks in chains, they bloody well would have, and any "boycott" or
"protest" would have lasted about as long as it took to get the Alabama
tree-dance started.  What, pray tell, do Thurgood Marshall and "Reverend"
Martin Lucifer Koon have to do with abolition?

Les


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The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 15 15:58:00 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Basketball! (was: Liberals? Intelligent? Gimme a BREAK!)
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Derek "Lunch" Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) played around with his
workspace to create a specious statement supposedly from me, so he
could make a half-wit response:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes: 
>>Derek Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:
>>> 	Ever hear of Thurgood Marshall? Rev. Martin Luther King? They played
>>> important roles too!
>>Ain't Affirmative Action great!?!
> 
> 	Gee, Les, I didn't think that Afirmative Action applied *before* it
> was enacted!!! Guess it must be those awfully clever ZOG agents!!!

Pathetic.  Only YOU, Lunchie, could come up with something so blatantly false.

Les

--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 15 18:58:26 PDT 1995
Article: 25602 of alt.skinheads
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)
 
> : Actually, Ivan Stang is a jew.  Really!  In _High Weirdness by Mail_, he
> : tried to slam the Church of the Creator, and failed miserably.  Got them
> : some great publicity, though.
> 
> 	Les, the people who sent for "Church of the Creator" information 
> as a result of _High Weirdness By Mail_ were looking for material to 
> laugh at.  This is the same reflex which causes many people, myself 
> included, to respond to your posts.  

Sure of that, are you?  Maybe some of the sub-genii are a little more
racially aware than you'd like to admit.
 
> : No, you're just plain stupid.  It's obvious to ANYONE that money equals
> : justice all too often, but you were making the clear implication that
> : "socioeconomic status" = crime.
> 
> 	Socioeconomic status = type of crime the person is likely to commit.

No argument there.  However, you're shifting your position, waffling and
equivocating.

> 	Certain types of crimes are punished more severely than others.  
> A person who robs a liquor store of $500 may well do more time than an 
> embezzler who takes $5,000.

The person who robs a liquor store of $500 probably has a record as long
as your arm, too.

> 	Blacks tend to be poorer than whites, and to commit the crimes 
> which poorer people commit (i.e. armed robbery) rather than "upper 
> class" crimes (i.e. embezzlement, "insider trading.")

Everything else being equal, Great and Wise One, which race is more likely to
commit crimes?  Do I even have to ask...

> : My point IS, shit-for-brains, that people like you only want to focus on
> : the high-achieving Blacks, and the retarded whites.  Quite telling, actually.
> 
> 	When a retarded white tells me there are no high-achieving 
> blacks, I provide evidence to refute that claim.  So if that's focussing 
> on high-achieving blacks and retarded whites, I plead guilty.

I've never denied that there ARE a FEW high-achieving Blacks, but that
doesn't prove that ALL Blacks are Newtons-in-waiting.

As to your focussing:  EVERY SINGLE TIME that I bring up something that
more Blacks DO than DON'T DO, right away you (and the other liberal bonus
children here) come back with "But Whites fuck up too!  Why, look at..." 
Lizard is the worst in this regard, but it looks like you're trying to
dethrone him.
 
> : > I'm assuming that any lack of evidence for a mass "Aryan" migration will be 
> : > shrugged away in a similar vein.
> 
> : Assume what you want.  It's just confirming what people think about you
> : anyway.
> 
> 	Your flaming skills are going downhill, Les...

That's because, frankly, you're a boring idiot.

> you haven't been  the same since James Nguyen confessed to fathering your
> child.  (Been buying the youngun lots of Ramen Noodles lately?)

Oh, and this is supposed to be an example of a GOOD flame, right?

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
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		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 15 19:19:30 PDT 1995
Article: 31381 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)
 
> : Actually, Ivan Stang is a jew.  Really!  In _High Weirdness by Mail_, he
> : tried to slam the Church of the Creator, and failed miserably.  Got them
> : some great publicity, though.
> 
> 	Les, the people who sent for "Church of the Creator" information 
> as a result of _High Weirdness By Mail_ were looking for material to 
> laugh at.  This is the same reflex which causes many people, myself 
> included, to respond to your posts.  

Sure of that, are you?  Maybe some of the sub-genii are a little more
racially aware than you'd like to admit.
 
> : No, you're just plain stupid.  It's obvious to ANYONE that money equals
> : justice all too often, but you were making the clear implication that
> : "socioeconomic status" = crime.
> 
> 	Socioeconomic status = type of crime the person is likely to commit.

No argument there.  However, you're shifting your position, waffling and
equivocating.

> 	Certain types of crimes are punished more severely than others.  
> A person who robs a liquor store of $500 may well do more time than an 
> embezzler who takes $5,000.

The person who robs a liquor store of $500 probably has a record as long
as your arm, too.

> 	Blacks tend to be poorer than whites, and to commit the crimes 
> which poorer people commit (i.e. armed robbery) rather than "upper 
> class" crimes (i.e. embezzlement, "insider trading.")

Everything else being equal, Great and Wise One, which race is more likely to
commit crimes?  Do I even have to ask...

> : My point IS, shit-for-brains, that people like you only want to focus on
> : the high-achieving Blacks, and the retarded whites.  Quite telling, actually.
> 
> 	When a retarded white tells me there are no high-achieving 
> blacks, I provide evidence to refute that claim.  So if that's focussing 
> on high-achieving blacks and retarded whites, I plead guilty.

I've never denied that there ARE a FEW high-achieving Blacks, but that
doesn't prove that ALL Blacks are Newtons-in-waiting.

As to your focussing:  EVERY SINGLE TIME that I bring up something that
more Blacks DO than DON'T DO, right away you (and the other liberal bonus
children here) come back with "But Whites fuck up too!  Why, look at..." 
Lizard is the worst in this regard, but it looks like you're trying to
dethrone him.
 
> : > I'm assuming that any lack of evidence for a mass "Aryan" migration will be 
> : > shrugged away in a similar vein.
> 
> : Assume what you want.  It's just confirming what people think about you
> : anyway.
> 
> 	Your flaming skills are going downhill, Les...

That's because, frankly, you're a boring idiot.

> you haven't been  the same since James Nguyen confessed to fathering your
> child.  (Been buying the youngun lots of Ramen Noodles lately?)

Oh, and this is supposed to be an example of a GOOD flame, right?

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 15 23:28:56 PDT 1995
Article: 12483 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jeanne, why do you post?
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I mean, your posts are even more useless than the typical liberal's.  Give up!

Les

--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 15 23:29:12 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Jeanne, why do you post?
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Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes: 
>>
>>I mean, your posts are even more useless than the typical 
>>liberal's.  Give up!
> 
> Jeanne is endlessly entertaining.

If you find Jeanne entertaining, you must think that pulling chairs out
>from  under people when they're about to sit down, just hilarious.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 16 01:18:20 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The lynch-pin question of Les's world.
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Derek Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>I already did.  I'm not surprised that you repeat the question, remaining
>>blissfully ignorant of the fact that it's already been answered.  I do
>>believe that my answer consisted of "
> 
> 1)  Stay off drugs;
> 
> 	Try looking at drug-addiction problems in northern Europe, a
> predominantly *WHITE* area. It's a common problem.

Ah, yes, Northern Europe.  Where they're importing non-Whites at
Break-neck speed (Turks and Vietnamese into Germany, Arabs into France,
Moluccans into Sweden, etc).

> 2)  Not engage in civilization-destroying levels of crime; 
> 
> 	I'm not sure what you mean by this, but if you mean drug-dealing,
> then that problem is again common in northern Europe.

That's one of them.  Also, pimping and prostitution, organized crime
(yeah, those Norwegian tong gangs are SUCH a problem!), black
marketeering, etc.

> 3)  Not turn his living quarters into a fucking pig-sty; 
> 
> 	This depends on the individual in question!

Also the race in question!
 
Les


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The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 16 01:18:25 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The lynch-pin question of Les's world.
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Derek "Lunch" Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) thought he was really clever:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>Well, then, Raggedy, wanna tell me about how Whites make a "relevant"
>>number of druggies, criminals, slum-dwellers, and family-abandoners?
> 
> 	Look at the poorer areas of northern European cities, you'll find all
> the evils you decried there, in a mostly *WHITE* population.

Oh, sure, they've only been demoralized by a terrible war (even liberal
butt-heads like you admit that WWII was terrible... but then you start
with this "holocaust" shit...), and, like I already said, they're
importing a mess of non-Whites (I guess to show that they're not like the
Nazis).  Why don't you use as an example, White areas that had some
AWARENESS of what it meant to be White?  Hmm, Nazi Germany comes to mind. 
So does the antebellum South (that's the South before the War of
Secession, 1861-1865).

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 16 01:18:32 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Pedophiles!
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Heh, looks like the pedophiles have moseyed on over, and are preaching
>   :their, um, "unusual" form of love here.  Now watch the liberals squirm as
>   :they try to argue that it's okay to discriminate against kiddie molesters,
>   :but how we SHOULDN'T discriminate against adult ass-bandits.  This oughta
>   :be fun!
> 
> No sexual act should be illegal as long as it is practiced by consent of
> both parties. Children, the mentally ill, unconscious persons, persons
> sufficiently impaired by drugs, and animals are not capable of giving such
> consent.
> 
> Put another way, child molestation victimizes children. Sexual contact
> between consenting adults victimizes no one.
> 
> No squirming, just a clear, simple rule. 
> 
> By the way, given that it's "ass-bandits" that offend you, does that mean
> that you support molestation of girls by male perps?

No, Raggedy.  Just because I didn't mention them in that particular
message, it doesn't mean I support them.  Liberal wienies also offend me,
but I didn't mention tthem in that message.  Doesn't mean I support them
(well, to a genius like you, I guess it does).

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 16 01:18:35 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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B. A. Mylite (bamlink@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
> In alt.politics.white-power bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) said: 
>  
>>>J. E. Cowen (janellco@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:  
>>> You see the world 
>>> through the distorted view of_ revision_  glasses.   You  incorrectly 
>>> classify Jews as a *race*, 
>> 
>>Why is it that on the fly-leaf of EVERY book about "da joos" that I bother
>>to look at in the bookstores (I'd never buy that semitophillic crap)
>>identifies the jews as a "5,000-year-old RACE"?  Wanna clarify that one for 
>>me? 
>> 
>>Wow, you are really STUPID.  But you'd better knock it off, you're going
>>to make Lizard jealous of your howling idiocy. 
>> 
>>Les 
>  
> Maybe you ought to try reading more than the fly-leaf of *every* book? You
> might learn something. You might also be able to form a better argument
> than to call everyone who doesn't agree with your outlandish ideas 'stupid,
> ' idiot' or 'twit.' Nah, nevermind, a nazi with knowledge? Impossible. 

Oh, so I can be like *YOU*, and call everyone I disagree with a "Nazi"?

Les


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The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 16 01:18:40 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>> (Rick Jones) writes:
>>> I see; are you hinting that "true" White folk don't do drugs?  Uh huh.
>>> (Snicker)
>>Not at all.  I'm pointing out that people often define "white" as anything
>>that isn't Black or Asian.  Puerto Ricans, Indians, Arabs... all classed
>>as White.  Pretty amazing.
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah Les, pretty amazing, especially since I always thought Puerto 
> Ricans, Indians, and Arabs, were classified as Puerto Ricans, Indians, 
> and Arabs... but thanks for clearing all that up.

Not at all, idjut.  How are they classified on IQ tests?  When crime is
discussed, it's always Black, White, and (maybe) Asian.  Where, pray tell,
do Puerto Ricans, Indians and Arabs fit into that?

Les


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The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 16 01:18:43 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The lynch-pin question of Les's world.
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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:

(jumping up and down, saying that I haven't answered his questions)
 
> You haven't answered a fucking thing!  Let's face it, you CAN'T answer 
> this question with anything more than vague refrences to TV 
> stereotypes... 
> 
> 1) There are Whites on drugs, average Whites.

How are you defining White?  Wait, let me guess... anything that's not
Black or Asian.

> 2) There are Whites involved in crime of every sort, average Whites.

Sure, Lizard, sure.  Those Norwegian tong gangs, the German yakuza, those
French drug-runners.... REAL problems.
 
> 3) Go to any dormitory in North America, there will be a White guy with 
>    a messy room.

A messy dorm does not equal hallways-as-urinals,
selling-your-own-copper-wiring-on-the-black-market, 8 kids in a
two-bedroom apartment, putting graffiti on every vertical surface...

> Pretty equal so far Les.

You were saying...

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 16 01:18:59 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: RE: Pedophiles!
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 (William_Mosco@vos.stratus.com) writes:
>> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:  
> 
>>Heh, looks like the pedophiles have moseyed on over, and are preaching 
>>their, um, "unusual" form of love here.   
> 
>  YOu mean their "sickness". 
> 
>>Now watch the liberals squirm as 
>>they try to argue that it's okay to discriminate against kiddie molesters, 
>>but how we SHOULDN'T discriminate against adult ass-bandits.  This oughta 
>>be fun! 
> 
>  Les, I'm Libertarian, and I have to agree that what adults decide to 
>  do in the privacy of their own homes, so long as consent is reached, 
>  is none of my damned business.... 

You mean there's a difference?

(I should say, a difference that MATTERS).
 
>  As far as sodomizing children goes, I don't believe that children 
>  have reached a level of maturity to fully understand or handle a 
>  sexual relationship.  That's all.  It should remain illegal, and 
>  thus the mainstream is indeed discriminating against the likes of 
>  NAMBLA, and for good reason.... 

Which is...?

My point still stands, strangely unanswered:  why is it okay to
discriminate against kiddie molesters, but not okay to do so against
ass-bandits?

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 17 09:47:44 PDT 1995
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Maybe some of the sub-genii are a little more
>   :racially aware than you'd like to admit.
> 
> Actually, subgenii are, by definition, racially aware. It's just not the
> race you're thinking of, pink boy.

The thought kinda makes you squirm, doesn't it, Raggedy?  You may _think_
that the subgenii are good little dues-paying robots, but I'll wager that
more than a few of them are developing quite nicely in the
racial-awareness regard.  I mean, hey, with constant exposure to assholes
like Ivan Stang and his bizarre behaviour, how can anyone NOT become an
"anti-semite"?

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 13:56:24 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Jeanne, why do you post?
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> I mean, your posts are even more useless than the typical liberal's.  Give up!
> 
> Well, Les -- I'll tell you the same thing that my brothers told me when I
> was a kid: "Pull my finger." I'm not going anywhere.


I wouldn't dream of asking you to.  I mean, you're far better at proving
that liberals are idiots than I ever could be.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 13:56:56 PDT 1995
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Rob Carscadden (carscadd@pps.duke.edu) picks up the gauntlet for the
noble Negro race, and writes:
 
(snip)
 
> Or Les, how many Jews were slaughered in WW II? (i know you think this 
> was a good thing, but we'll ignore that)
 
Why do the jews ALWAYS manage to worm their way into discussions about
"genocide"?  Is it possible to discuss "genocide" WITHOUT refering to
jews?  Is "genocide" now synonymous with "jew"?
  
> How many blacks, warehoused in the lower decks, died on the trip over 
> here against thier will?
 
Let me ask another question by way of rejoinder:  how many of those Blacks
would have ended up as meals for their fellow Blacks, or sacrifices to the
screwy gods of other tribes?
 
Les
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more than a population.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 13:58:49 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Racist scanner
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Charles Don Hall (chall@eco.twg.com) writes:
> In article <40vu60$fic@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
> DDivincenz  wrote:
>>  Can someone out there please send me information on how to repair my new
>>scanner. I
>>bought it last week and have enjoyed it except for one problem....the damn
>>thing is a racist!!!
>>Most of the fights, robberies, drive by shootings, wants/warrants, and
>>long criminal histories
>>belong to black and mexican males. Clearly this must be some defect in the
>>circuitry.................... improper IF alignment or excessive 3rd order
>>intermod perhaps.
> 
> This is probably a problem with the positioning of your scanner.
> 
> Is your scanner positioned in an area where most of the low-income
> people are Black or Hispanic? If so, that would explain the problem.
> 
> The easiest way to fix it is to move your scanner to a low-income
> area with a predominatly Anglo population. Perhaps you could follow
> that "RAHOWA" band around. I've also heard rumors about trailer parks
> and honkytonks; you might try positioning your scanner near one of
> those and see what happens.
> 
> Hope this helps.

Hoo, boy, here we go again with the "pverty causes crime, not race!" bit.
 
>>After all, I know from watching the tube that these
>>minorities are the VICTIMS of
>>society.
> 
> "Victims" is perhaps too strong a word. Still, it seems obvious that
> few people are born criminals.

Obvious to whom?

> Whenever a crime is committed, it's
> always worth asking, "If society had been structured differently, 
> then could this crime have been prevented?" Sometimes the answer
> will be "No"...but if we don't ask the question, then we can rest
> assured that the crime rate will just stay right where it is.

Actually, if our society wasn't a multiracial hodge-podge, then the crime
PROBABLY wouldn't have occurred in the first place...

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 13:58:52 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Natve American?
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Harold3248 (harold3248@aol.com) writes:
> I suspect your new to pro-whites.  Someone should alert you so that you
> don't get yourself into a mess.  At least you'll do it with your eye's
> open.  Pro-whites have always been "friends" with and supportive of Native
> Americans.  They have never to my knowledge fought against them.  In
> California history there was a mountainous Indian race that was entirely
> killed. There was not one survivor.  Not one.  It was a hunting literal
> open season.  Pro-whites have never to my knowledge denied nor disputed
> that the white man came to this land and was a tad ruthless.  In fact,
> some accept the Native American even racially.  There are a few who
> consider by inter-marrying with the Native American the white man has
> firmly established the land as "mine."  Walk on eggshells amongst
> pro-whites until you know that wads stand.

I got a question for ya, Harry:  how does race mixing (ANY race mixing)
equate with "pro-whites"?

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 15:51:21 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Racist scanner
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article <40vu60$fic@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ddivincenz@aol.com
> (DDivincenz) wrote:
> 
>>   Can someone out there please send me information on how to repair my new
>> scanner. I
>> bought it last week and have enjoyed it except for one problem....the damn
>> thing is a racist!!!
>> Most of the fights, robberies, drive by shootings, wants/warrants, and
>> long criminal histories
>> belong to black and mexican males. Clearly this must be some defect in the
>> circuitry.................... improper IF alignment or excessive 3rd order
>> intermod perhaps.
>>                   After all, I know from watching the tube that these
>> minorities are the VICTIMS of
>> society. Is there some kind of politically correct chip that the
>> manufacturer forgot to install in this
>> radio?
>>                    If any of you radio repair types out there can suggest
>> a fix for this biggoted scanner
>> please let me know.
> 
> Okay, you spend your time watching transvestites on television talk shows
> and listening to police calls on your scanner. You claim that you're an
> educated, middle class, white man. Do you live with your parents or does
> your wife work so that you can sit on your butt all day and obssess about
> the perverts and minorities? 
> 
> Now you have ten free hours on AOL to make an ass out of yourself and
> bring shame to the whole state of Oregon.

He's stealing your job!

> A lot of people believe that we
> don't have electricity or indoor plumbing in this state, and you come
> along flapping your ignorant mouth and convincing anyone tuning in that
> Oregon is full of tobbaccy-spewin' rednecks like you.

Whereas it's REALLY populated by Birkenstock-wearing, bicycle-riding,
flower-sniffing left-overs from the '60s like you, right?

(snip - rest of Jeanne's lame shit deleted, including her over-long sign-off)

Les

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The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 15:51:23 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Injun trouble!
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It's really funny to see the liberals running around with their arms in
the air, upset over anyone not buying into their fantasies about indians,
ie they were here first, so we call 'em what they WANT to be called.

Les

--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:26:31 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Jeanne, why do you post?
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> I mean, your posts are even more useless than the typical liberal's.  Give up!
> 
> Well, Les -- I'll tell you the same thing that my brothers told me when I
> was a kid: "Pull my finger." I'm not going anywhere.


I wouldn't dream of asking you to.  I mean, you're far better at proving
that liberals are idiots than I ever could be.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:26:35 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Dickie, Dickie, Dickie...
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Richard Marquez (gmarquez@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Heh, looks like the pedophiles have moseyed on over, and are preaching
> : their, um, "unusual" form of love here.  Now watch the liberals squirm as
> : they try to argue that it's okay to discriminate against kiddie molesters,
> : but how we SHOULDN'T discriminate against adult ass-bandits.  This oughta
> : be fun!
> : Les
> 
> It ought to be, until we start being logical and consistent.

Well, I suppose there's a first time for everything.
 
Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:26:39 PDT 1995
Article: 12352 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Dickie screws up again. (was: Pedophiles!)
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Richard Marquez (gmarquez@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)
 
> : My point still stands, strangely unanswered:  why is it okay to
> : discriminate against kiddie molesters, but not okay to do so against
> : ass-bandits?

(snip)
 
> OK, Les, lets go over it R E A L  S L O W L Y, OK?
> 
> "kiddie molesters" - "kiddy + adult" - "too young for consent"
> "ass-bandits"      - "adult + adult" - "old enough for consent"

Your math is screwed up.  It should be:

"kiddie molesters" = "kiddy + adult" = "sick"
"ass-bandits" = "fudge-packing (or sushi-eating)" = "sick"
 
> If there is "no consent", the perpetrator should be punished.

> See?  Real simple!
 
> (Now, mabye by "ass-bandits" you mean "rapist".

No, by ass-bandits, I mean faggots.  I know what I mean.

> Well, rape means "no consent".  "No consent" means punishment for the
> perpetrator.  Again, simple.)

It's pretty revealing that you use "consent" the way you do.  Laws
recognize LEGAL GUARDIANS for children.  What if those legal guardians
(who CAN give legal consent for the children they watch over) decide to
give "consent" for those children to be used and abused in whatever way
theu see fit?  But, what else can one expect from someone who thinks sex
is ONLY for the enjoyment of the participants.

Since you seem so burned up over my likening liberals to libertarians,
I'll tell you why:  both believe in INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, but not in
RESPONSIBILITY.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:26:42 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Dysfunctional idiot liberals
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Richard Marquez (gmarquez@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > So, Grizzles, who are these dysfunctional idiots that have been
> : > citing popular appeal as an argument against racism?  I don't
> : > remember seeing ANY posts along the lines of "racism is bad because
> : > most people don't like it".
> 
> : Then open your fucking eyes, shit-for-brains.  Lizard says it.  I believe
> : Derek "Lunch" Bell said something to the effect that "it" (meaning my
> : philosophy) would never work because it lacked appeal for the Great
> : Unwashed.
> 
> "Your philosophy would never work because it lacks appeal to
> the Great Unwashed" isn't an attack on how "good" or "bad"
> racism is.  It's disputing that you would get any followers.

*sigh*  And I've said, over and over again, that racism does not SEEK to
prove its "rightness" by the numbers it appeals to.  It's correct, no
matter how many believe it.

> (It's an attack on an implementation detail, not on the main
> subject (racism) itself).

It sure seems to be the favourite response around here.

Les


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The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:26:49 PDT 1995
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Subject: Cowen and money!
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J. E. Cowen (janellco@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
> In alt.politics.white-power Aryan Crusader  said: 
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>I get several pre-approved credit cards in the mail every week, and if I
>>had a television, I'd be bombarded with commercials urging me to use those
>>cards to buy stuff I don't need.  The sad thing is that a lot of Whites give
>>in and buy too much on credit, and then their wages end up getting split 
>>between bankers and advertisers.  (The suspicion is that these bankers and 
>>advertisers are all Jewish, but its a bad situation no matter who's getting 
>>the money.) 
>> 
>>We're gonna do things differently in the new Amerikkka. 
> ---------------------------- 
> I am *suspicious*  of your claim that you, "get several pre-approved credit
> cards in the  mail every week".    Were you mailed a pre-approved *ZOG 
> _Master_card*? 
>  
> To know how to use credit, you have to know mathematics,

Not necessarily true!

> and by _your count_, *a lot* of Whites "...buy too much on credit,...",  is
> that because a lot of Whites flunked math?

Amazing, Cowen.  Since when does difficulty in paying one's bills
translate into poor math skills?

> You say the salary of these Whites ends up split between the bankers and
> advertisers, ...what about housing, food, electricity, telephone, medical
> expenses etc.? The vast number of Americans work and pay their bills, because 
> they are responsible adults, not bad credit risk Whites.  

He never denied that.  What he *did* say, though, was that "a lot of
Whites give in and buy too much on credit".  One is too many, in my books,
and I suspect that the same is true for Aryan Crusader.  It's never okay
that a FEW White families are in financial straights because of jewish usury.

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:26:52 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Ass-bandits! (was: Pedophiles!)
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Heh, looks like the pedophiles have moseyed on over, and are preaching
>> their, um, "unusual" form of love here.  Now watch the liberals squirm as
>> they try to argue that it's okay to discriminate against kiddie molesters,
>> but how we SHOULDN'T discriminate against adult ass-bandits.  This oughta
>> be fun!
> 
> Why don't you begin the festivities by defining "ass-bandit"? Is this a
> common term in the white supremacy crowd? I have never heard any of my
> liberal, free love, homosexuals friends say it.

Of course.  Pervos will never use accurate terms to define themselves.
 
> Educate us, Les . . .

"To dream the impossible dream..."

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:26:57 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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Barry Sheiny (bzs@world.std.com) writes:
>>Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>>
>>: But they ARE still jews in the RACIAL sense, which is the only one that
>>: matters.
> 
> 	roses are reddish,
> 	  violets are bluish,
> 	if it weren't for Christmas,
> 	  you'd all still be Jewish.
> 
> So what religion were your ancestors, Griswold? How far back can you
> determine this with certainty?

Christian, for several hundred years.  Pagan before that.  There were no
jewish gutter-snipes in there.

> I think Les is just "passing", that's why he's so noisy, it's always
> the recent converts that are noisiest, must be their insecurity about
> it all.
> 
> What sort of name is "Griswold" anyhow? Sounds vaguely German to me,
> maybe "grease woods" or "grey woods", then again many Jewish names
> sound vaguely German...
> 
> -- 
>         -Barry Shein
> 
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Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:27:15 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Dem pore oppressed Blacks! (was: Griswold, why do you post?)
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Rob Carscadden (carscadd@pps.duke.edu) picks up the gauntlet for the
noble Negro race, and writes:

(snip)

> Or Les, how many Jews were slaughered in WW II? (i know you think this 
> was a good thing, but we'll ignore that)

Why do the jews ALWAYS manage to worm their way into discussions about
"genocide"?  Is it possible to discuss "genocide" WITHOUT refering to
jews?  Is "genocide" now synonymous with "jew"?
 
> How many blacks, warehoused in the lower decks, died on the trip over 
> here against thier will?

Let me ask another question by way of rejoinder:  how many of those Blacks
would have ended up as meals for their fellow Blacks, or sacrifices to the
screwy gods of other tribes?

Les
 


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:27:34 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Davie,  Davie, Davie...
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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>> (lzaird@io.org) writes:

(snip)
 
>>> Anyways, a person's political beliefs are not grounds for 
>>> denying a person the right to defend him/herself... 
>>"Dream, dream, dream, dream..."
>>(BTW, Lizard, that's lampooning of your damn-fool statement)
> 
> I'm right, you're wrong.
> 
> 
> "Oh, Les, you're diverting the subject!  What does dream dream dream 
> have to do with our case???"
> 

It has plenty to do.  If you actually believe that "a person's political
beliefs are not grounds" for any government excess, then you truly are
dreaming, not to mention incredibly naive.

> Sound mighty farmiliar?

No, it doesn't.  I've never encountered gross stupidity like yours before.

Lemme set you straight (yet again) about this:  I don't believe that Mummy
Abu-Jam'n'peanutbutter was the victim of "racism", and even if he was, WHO
CARES?

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:27:47 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Davie,  Davie, Davie...
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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:

(snip)

>>It has plenty to do.  If you actually believe that "a person's political
>>beliefs are not grounds" for any government excess, then you truly are
>>dreaming, not to mention incredibly naive.
> 
> See, Les, now THAT was sarcasm... I was mocking you.  Frequently, when I 
> use metaphors, or when I cite other examples you accuse me of diverting 
> the subject somehow...bah, it's lost on you.  
> 
> No, I believe that a person's political beliefs are not grounds for 
> dis-allowing him/her to defend him/herself.  Get it?  Different levels 
> of government crush subvertive movements all the time... I know that.

Good for you.
 
>>Lemme set you straight (yet again) about this:  I don't believe that Mummy
>>Abu-Jam'n'peanutbutter was the victim of "racism", and even if he was, WHO
>>CARES?
> 
> Me. 

We don't.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:28:17 PDT 1995
Article: 12461 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: NEW AFRICA?
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Rob Carscadden (carscadd@pps.duke.edu) writes:

(snip)

> How about these questions:
> 
> Is there an European-American 
> movement to return to their historic homeland (as the Jews did to 
> Israel)?
> If not, should there be?  Why not?
> 
> Now that african-americans are settled in this country why should they 
> leave? 

Because they're a destructive alien minority.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:29:03 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Maybe some of the sub-genii are a little more
>   :racially aware than you'd like to admit.
> 
> Actually, subgenii are, by definition, racially aware. It's just not the
> race you're thinking of, pink boy.

The thought kinda makes you squirm, doesn't it, Raggedy?  You may _think_
that the subgenii are good little dues-paying robots, but I'll wager that
more than a few of them are developing quite nicely in the
racial-awareness regard.  I mean, hey, with constant exposure to assholes
like Ivan Stang and his bizarre behaviour, how can anyone NOT become an
"anti-semite"?

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:29:08 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Dickie screws up again. (was: Pedophiles!)
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Richard Marquez (gmarquez@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)
 
> : Since you seem so burned up over my likening liberals to libertarians,
> : I'll tell you why:  both believe in INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, but not in
> : RESPONSIBILITY.
> 
> And I thought that one of the main ideas of libertarianism was
> personal responsibility.  Thanks for clearing that up!

Wrong.  Libertarians always preface their fantasies with "Wouldn't it be
nice if...?"  (Yes, I do read some libertarian literature... enough to
know that it's cowardly, escapist reality-denial.)

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:29:11 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Pedophiles!
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
>   :My point still stands, strangely unanswered:  why is it okay to
>   :discriminate against kiddie molesters, but not okay to do so against
>   :ass-bandits?
> 
> Jeez, Les, you've got the shortest attention span I've ever seen. A day
> before you wrote the above line, you responded to a post in which I simply
> and succinctly answered your question. I'll repost the relavent portions.
> 
> No sexual act should be illegal as long as it is practiced by consent of
> both parties. Children, the mentally ill, unconscious persons, persons
> sufficiently impaired by drugs, and animals are not capable of giving such
> consent.
> 
> Put another way, child molestation victimizes children. Sexual contact
> between consenting adults victimizes no one.

*sigh*  No, Raggedy, that's not an answer.  That's just the sort of
liberal see-sawing I expected, and foretold of when I said that seeing you
guys squirm would be fun.  IN YOUR OPINION, sexual contact between
"consenting" adults victimizes no one.  In MY opinion, abuse of sex like
that is very harmful indeed.

Les


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The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:29:27 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jeannie, Jeannie, Jeannie...
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(That sounds like "Wienie, wienie, wienie...")
Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
>> >>Lemme set you straight (yet again) about this:  I don't believe that Mummy
>> >>Abu-Jam'n'peanutbutter was the victim of "racism", and even if he was, WHO
>> >>CARES?
>> > 
>> > Me. 
>> 
>> We don't.
> 
> Wanna bet?

Jeanne, I was talking about real people, not cardboard-cutouts like you.

Les
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The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:29:49 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Dickie screws up again. (was: Pedophiles!)
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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:

(snip - Richard Marquez telling me why fags are better than pedophiles)
 
> How about this equasion Les...
> 
> Adult + Adult = concent
> 
> So wether they're fudge packing or not, if they're adults, it's O.K., 
> see, it's a little thing we call choice.  Kids can't choose properly, 
> because they haven't matured enough to yet.  Is it sinking in yet?

What really gets me, though, is the liberal insistence on this word,
"choice".  When it comes to banging your buddy's butt, "choice" is
suddenly sacrosanct, but when it comes to whom we choose as our neighbours,
or whom we want to hire, then choice is a bad thing.
 
(snip)
 
> So, if an "ass-bandit" wants to have sex with another "ass-bandit", and 
> that "ass-bandit" is consenting... where's the problem?  As long as 
> those "ass-bandits" are of age, right?  

Who gets to decide "the age"?  I shudder to think that people like you do.
 
Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:30:26 PDT 1995
Article: 12560 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: RE: Pedophiles!
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 (William_Mosco@vos.stratus.com) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:  

(snip)
 
>>You mean there's a difference? (ie, between liberals and libertarians)
> 
>  Yes, it's the difference between Bill Clinton and Thomas Jefferson. 

Yeah.  T. Jefferson is dead and wormy, and Slick Willie is yukking it up
at the helm of the U.S.

>>(I should say, a difference that MATTERS). 
> 
>  Yes.  There's a big difference if you compare the policies between 
>  those two men. 

Thomas Jefferson's "libertarianism" allowed a slimeball like Clinton to
climb to the top of the heap.  One would think that you guys would have
learned from that.

>>>  As far as sodomizing children goes, I don't believe that children  
>>>  have reached a level of maturity to fully understand or handle a  
>>>  sexual relationship.  That's all.  It should remain illegal, and  
>>>  thus the mainstream is indeed discriminating against the likes of  
>>>  NAMBLA, and for good reason....  
> 
>>Which is...? 
> 
>  Because children haven't matured to the level where they can handle 
>  a sexual relationship? 

And what is the purpose of a sexual relationship?  To "feel good"?
 
>>My point still stands, strangely unanswered:  why is it okay to 
>>discriminate against kiddie molesters, but not okay to do so against 
>>ass-bandits? 
> 
>  Because homosexuals are adults.  And in a free country, we don't 
>  prosecute adults for making adult decisions that do not violate 
>  the rights of the innocent. 

Homos act like petulant, spoiled brats.  Adults don't stage demonstrations
when they don't get their way.  Adults don't lobby the way fags (and
other minorities) do, by harping on guilt.  Adults don't fuck anonymously
in public parks, or hold parades where they dress in leather underwear.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:31:06 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Evil Beavis, you're a dink
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Get off the boards, go back to your M-TV, and get back to us when your
acne clears up and your personality develops.

Does anyone else get the impression that eB is just here to get attention,
like so many other liberals?

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:31:10 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Pedophiles!
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :*sigh*  No, Raggedy, that's not an answer.  That's just the sort of
>   :liberal see-sawing I expected, and foretold of when I said that seeing you
>   :guys squirm would be fun.  IN YOUR OPINION, sexual contact between
>   :"consenting" adults victimizes no one.  In MY opinion, abuse of sex like
>   :that is very harmful indeed.
> 
> Harmful to whom? Are you arguing that the purpose of government is to
> protect people from themselves? If so, I will await an announcement of
> your voluntary committal.

Not at all, Raggedy.  You're so boringly predictable: "Is this what you
meant?  It IS!  Well, do that, then!"
 
> You asked for an explanation of why the "liberals" on this board support
> outlawing child molestation, but not outlawing homosexuality. I answered
> your question. Child molesters victimize another person. Consenting adults
> engaging in gay sex victimize no one. The former laws are intended to
> protect children from predators. The latter are a big brother-ish attempt
> to protect people from themselves because they bother you.

Well, Raggedy, it's interesting to see the convoluted concepts you guys
will go through in order to justify certain perversions, but not others. 
But, since you believe that the ultimate purpose of sex is to have fun as
long as you're "victimizing no one", then there's really little point in
telling you how fucked you are.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:31:18 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: My thoughts? (was: Pedophiles!)
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Rob Kowalewski (robk@efn.org) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> My point still stands, strangely unanswered:  why is it okay to
>> discriminate against kiddie molesters, but not okay to do so against
>> ass-bandits?
> 
> BTW, according to The Oregonian, 8/11/95, p.B6, a new book is about to be
> published called "Pink Swastika", by Scott Lively, a Christian anti-Gay
> Rights activist. In it he "proves" that the organizers and leadership of
> the Nazi party in Germany in the '20s and 30s were, and I quote,
> "homosexual, sadomasochistic pedophiles". Your thoughts?

1)  Them Christians will say the stupidest things.

2)  You're Jeanne in "gender-neutral" clothing.

Pathetic.  For someone who led the charge against Sylvie and I, Jeanne,
you sure are quick to do it yourself.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:31:36 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Lizard the clueless! (was: What the fuck?)
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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> 	Ok folks, I though there was a new guy around called Marlow, 
> right?  And supposedly this guy went and met R THEORIST and his freind 
> Ted...right?  
> 
> What's this?
> 
> In article <40vv2q$rqb@news.scsn.net>, racial theorist  
>                                                         ^^^^^^
> ???
> 
>>in loyal service to the white race.
>>david padgett, racial theorist
> 
> Did I miss a HUGE plot-development here?  What's the story?

The story is, you're an idiot, plain and simple.  Only YOU, Lizzie, would
clue in so late to something that no-one else cares about.

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 20:31:58 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jeanne's "better half"!
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Rob Kowalewski (robk@efn.org) writes:
> Yo, Les!
> 
> I've been, uuugghhh, quietly fascinated by your work for quite a while,
> but up to now I've let my DearlyB'loved interact with you on her own. (And
> she's been doin' a fine job of it, too! ). However, I saw this and felt
> you HAD to be informed immediately:
> 
> According to The Oregonian, 8/12/95, p.B6, a new book is about to be
> published called "Pink Swastika", by Scott Lively, a Christian anti-Gay
> Rights activist. In it he proves,  through exhaustive research and
> interviews with noted historians, that the organizers and leadership of
> the Nazi party in Germany in the '20s and 30s were, and I quote,
> "homosexual, sadomasochistic pedophiles". 

It's pretty funny the lengths some people will go to in order to
"distance" themselves from "Natsee" ideology.  It's obvious that this
Lively character wants to harness some respectability for his
mouth-frothing, so he attacks something he THINKS no-one will disagree
with (ie, Naziism).

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 22:39:05 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Gay Nazis? (was: Pedophiles!)
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Rob Kowalewski (robk@efn.org) writes:


 
> BTW, according to The Oregonian, 8/11/95, p.B6, a new book is about to be
> published called "Pink Swastika", by Scott Lively, a Christian anti-Gay
> Rights activist. In it he "proves" that the organizers and leadership of
> the Nazi party in Germany in the '20s and 30s were, and I quote,
> "homosexual, sadomasochistic pedophiles". Your thoughts?

Stick with me here, Bobby:

So the higher-ups in Nazidom were faggots, right?  And since the
"holocaust" indisputably happened, that means that fifis organized it. 
That means that homos are responsible for the (supposed) deaths of 6
million jews!  Try spouting that around, then get back to me and tell me
how many seconds it took for you to be called a "homophobe".

Much the same reasoning applies whenever some whiz-kid or other comes up
with the propaganda that Hitler was jewish.

Les



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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Aug 19 00:43:01 PDT 1995
Article: 25665 of alt.skinheads
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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Barry Sheiny (bzs@world.std.com) writes:
>>Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>>
>>: But they ARE still jews in the RACIAL sense, which is the only one that
>>: matters.
> 
> 	roses are reddish,
> 	  violets are bluish,
> 	if it weren't for Christmas,
> 	  you'd all still be Jewish.
> 
> So what religion were your ancestors, Griswold? How far back can you
> determine this with certainty?

Christian, for several hundred years.  Pagan before that.  There were no
jewish gutter-snipes in there.

> I think Les is just "passing", that's why he's so noisy, it's always
> the recent converts that are noisiest, must be their insecurity about
> it all.
> 
> What sort of name is "Griswold" anyhow? Sounds vaguely German to me,
> maybe "grease woods" or "grey woods", then again many Jewish names
> sound vaguely German...
> 
> -- 
>         -Barry Shein
> 
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Les


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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Maybe some of the sub-genii are a little more
>   :racially aware than you'd like to admit.
> 
> Actually, subgenii are, by definition, racially aware. It's just not the
> race you're thinking of, pink boy.

The thought kinda makes you squirm, doesn't it, Raggedy?  You may _think_
that the subgenii are good little dues-paying robots, but I'll wager that
more than a few of them are developing quite nicely in the
racial-awareness regard.  I mean, hey, with constant exposure to assholes
like Ivan Stang and his bizarre behaviour, how can anyone NOT become an
"anti-semite"?

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Aug 19 09:16:37 PDT 1995
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Subject: Jeanne re-assumes her own identity!
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>> > Now you have ten free hours on AOL to make an ass out of yourself and
>> > bring shame to the whole state of Oregon.
>> 
>> He's stealing your job!
> 
> Leshole, you shouldn't be badmouthing your new buddy -- he's the only guy
> who actually makes you look smart. DD is only an embarrassment to one
> state, while you digust an entire nation.

Not according to all the POSITIVE e-mail that I get...
 
>> > A lot of people believe that we
>> > don't have electricity or indoor plumbing in this state, and you come
>> > along flapping your ignorant mouth and convincing anyone tuning in that
>> > Oregon is full of tobbaccy-spewin' rednecks like you.
>> 
>> Whereas it's REALLY populated by Birkenstock-wearing, bicycle-riding,
>> flower-sniffing left-overs from the '60s like you, right?
> 
> I do like flowers and rode a bike as a kid in the '60s, but the rest is
> wrong about me. Oregon has many Birkinstock wearers, and Eugene is known
> as Bicycle City, USA. What's your point, Les?

My point is that you're a reactionary asshole.

> Surely anyone with two or
> more brain cells would not infer that *all* Canadians are goose-stepping,
> anti-semetic, brainwashed Hitler wannabe throwbacks to the '40s just
> because you live there, right?

Two brain cells... that lets people like you off the hook.
 
>> (snip - rest of Jeanne's lame shit deleted, including her over-long sign-off)
> 
> If you didn't say such stoopid things, my sig.file would be much shorter, Les.

Take a hint, Jeanne:  I don't go putting YOUR every stupid utterance in my
sig.  If I did, I'd be using the whole memory of the 'Net to maintain it.

Les


--
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more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Aug 19 09:55:14 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: My thoughts? (was: Pedophiles!)
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
>> Rob Kowalewski (robk@efn.org) writes:
>> > In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>> > (Les Griswold) wrote:


 
Bobby:
>> > BTW, according to The Oregonian, 8/11/95, p.B6, a new book is about to be
>> > published called "Pink Swastika", by Scott Lively, a Christian anti-Gay
>> > Rights activist. In it he "proves" that the organizers and leadership of
>> > the Nazi party in Germany in the '20s and 30s were, and I quote,
>> > "homosexual, sadomasochistic pedophiles". Your thoughts?

Moi:
>> 1)  Them Christians will say the stupidest things.
>> 
>> 2)  You're Jeanne in "gender-neutral" clothing.
>> 
>> Pathetic.  For someone who led the charge against Sylvie and I, Jeanne,
>> you sure are quick to do it yourself.

Jeanne:
> You're wrong again, Leshole. My husband and I each have our own computer,
> phone line, and internet provider. I must confess; however, that we've
> been laughing at you for months and that we share a common revulsion for
> your beliefs. 

Sure, sure...
 
> BTW, if Sylvie is a real persn, why didn't the MacLean's article mention
> her? After all, they did talk about your Rotweiler dog. Doesn't your wife
> deserve the same level of recognition?

If you have a problem with Macclone's reporting style, take it up with them.
 
Les


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more than a population.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Aug 19 09:55:21 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The lynch-pin question of Les's world.
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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:

(snip)
 
>>> 2) There are Whites involved in crime of every sort, average Whites.
>>Sure, Lizard, sure.  Those Norwegian tong gangs, the German yakuza, those
>>French drug-runners.... REAL problems.
> 
> Hah!  Like there aren't Northern European syndicates!  God you've got 
> the filters on, don't you?  

Name one.
 
>>> 3) Go to any dormitory in North America, there will be a White guy with 
>>>    a messy room.
>>A messy dorm does not equal hallways-as-urinals,
>>selling-your-own-copper-wiring-on-the-black-market, 8 kids in a
>>two-bedroom apartment, putting graffiti on every vertical surface...
> 
> Hehehehe, irony of ironies... Just last week in my apartment, somebody 
> felt it nessicary to scratch about 50 swastikas into the door of our 
> elevator with his (probably a guy, only a guy would be that stupid) 
> keys... And I see huge swastikas sprayed on walls all the time... Blacks 
> are doing this?  Nope, I'll tell you who's doing this.  White, suburban, 
> bored, drug-taking, hopes-of-the-aryan-race.  

They do SOME of it.  Who spray-paints swastikas on synagogues, jewish
homes, vandalizes jewish graveyards?  By and large, jews.

Pretty funny, actually.  You go from talking about "messy dorms" to
yammering about vandalism.  And most amazing of all, you KNOW who
perpetrated it!

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Aug 19 09:55:24 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The lynch-pin question of Les's world.
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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:

(snip)

>>Oh, sure, they've only been demoralized by a terrible war (even liberal
>>butt-heads like you admit that WWII was terrible... but then you start
>>with this "holocaust" shit...), and, like I already said, they're
>>importing a mess of non-Whites (I guess to show that they're not like the
>>Nazis).  Why don't you use as an example, White areas that had some
>>AWARENESS of what it meant to be White?  Hmm, Nazi Germany comes to mind. 
>>So does the antebellum South (that's the South before the War of
>>Secession, 1861-1865).
> 
> Bahahahahahahahahahahahhah!!!   THIS is your pitiful excuse for White 
> crime?  "Demoralized by a terrible war?"   Gahahhahahahahahah!!!  Les, 
> war, or no war, Europe would still have that problem.  What about Russia 
> eh Les?  Now that the Jew Communism is gone, the Russian Mafia is making 
> a killing, literally.

The "Russian" Mafia is mostly jewish.

> They're dealing in everything over there.  Talk 
> about society destroying crime... I don't see any Blacks dealing in 
> ROCKET LAUNCHERS.  You, Les?

I assume that you're still babbling about the former USSR?  The reason
there's no Black crime there, is that there are no Blacks there!

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 20 03:16:25 PDT 1995
Article: 32046 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Really dumb shit I once heard...
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James White (white@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 1995 in article ,
> 'bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)' wrote: 
>  
>>In the '20s and '30s, German land owners had to hunt rabbits to keep them 
>>from destroying their land.  Somebody (I forget who) discovered that by 
>>burning certain glands of the ex-bunnies, other rabbits would be kept 
>>away.  So, after the grounds-keepers had bagged some rabbit, a bonfire 
>>would be lit, the parts in question thrown in, and voila!  no more 
>>rabbits, for a long, long time.  Supposedly, this was the inspiration for 
>>burning the jews:  it would put a certain "jewish essence" into the air, 
>>which would keep other jews from settling nearby. 
>  
> This is the kind of goddamn bullshit fucking crap nonsense that is always
> put out about Germans by the Anti-German cottage industry.  What goddamn
> idiot dickheaded asshole said this?  The mere idea that a scientifically
> sophisticated people like the Germans would in the 20th Century utilize a
> process utilized in the Middle Ages to rid the countryside of rats is
> absurd. 

I told you, Trevor Ravenscroft, or one of his Germanophobe buddies.  This,
Jimbo, is the sort of stuff that is accepted as FACT by the
exterminationists, who are ready, willing and able to believe ANYTHING bad
about "krauts".

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 20 03:16:29 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Really dumb shit I once heard...
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> [Followup restricted]
> 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
> [Something he claims to have read]
> 
> # In the '20s and '30s, German land owners had to hunt rabbits
> # to keep them from destroying their land.  Somebody (I forget
> # who) discovered that by burning certain glands of the ex-bunnies,
> # other rabbits would be kept away.
> 
> Must say I have no idea if this is true or not.
> 
> # Supposedly, this was the inspiration for burning the jews:  it
> # would put a certain "jewish essence" into the air, which would
> # keep other jews from settling nearby.
> 
> I guess no historian ever claimed this was the reason the Nazis
> burned the Jews, and I guess this is not what most Nazi
> officials had in mind when they did it; they burned the
> corpses for much more obvious reasons.
> 
> I conjecture that, possibly, some insane Nazi could have said
> something like this - they made numerous comparisons of Jews,
> and others, to animals, and may have therefore extrapolated
> this thing with the burning to them. Or maybe it was some
> type of a Nazi joke.

It WASN'T written or said by any "insane Nazi".  It was said by Trevor
Ravenscroft, or one of his buddies.

> Nazis had a strange sense of humor, which seems to have carried 
> over to the "Holocaust revisionists"... 

Funny, that.  Trevor Ravenscroft is NOT a revisionist of any sort, nor
would he allow his name to appear on/in a book about revisionism.  Can you
read?  I said that this was HIS explanation for why the Nazis burned jews.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 20 03:16:32 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: The lynch-pin question of Les's world.
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Charles Freedberg (cfree@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA  
>    Another of Less's Komedy Klassics:
> 
>>They do SOME of it.  Who spray-paints swastikas on synagogues, jewish
>>homes, vandalizes jewish graveyards?  By and large, jews.
>>
>>Pretty funny, actually.  You go from talking about "messy dorms" to
>>yammering about vandalism.  And most amazing of all, you KNOW who
>>perpetrated it!
> 
> 				I certainly had a Lessterical laugh with
> this classic from the jokefuehrer himself.  Lester spends his life
> propagandizing for a movement whose main aim is to kill all Jews.  (If
> he denies this then ask him to criticize Mr. Pierce,  whom he 
> claims to be associated with, as the NA man in Canada.  Mr. Pierce's
> most famous work, the Turner Diaries, makes the destruction of all Jews
> and less than pure white folks everywhere the central goal.)

There are MANY NA men in Canada, but thanks for the compliment!

BTW, that's DOCTOR Pierce to you.

Also, thanks for the plug for _The Turner Diaries_!  It can be ordered from:

National Vanguard Books
P.O. Box 330
Hillsboro, West Virginia
24946  U.S.A.

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 20 03:16:58 PDT 1995
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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:
>>>[..deletia...]
>>> 
>>> Except for one thing, Les.  Germany *started* WWII.  You do remember that 
>>> teensy little historical fact, don't you?
> 
>>Sorry to tell you the truth, but Germany did NOT start WWII.  They invaded
>>Poland, and France and Britain figured they'd get in on it by declaring
>>war on the "Natsees".
> 
> That's an interesting interpretation, Griswold. The first nation to
> make a military move does not "start" a war. Only when allies of the
> nation that is attacked (which is what you do when you 'invade' a
> country, Griswold) can the war be said to be "started" -- by the
> defending alliance.
> 
> Both England and France, in the spring of 1939, had guaranteed Poland
> against German aggression. Do you claim that this was kept a secret
> from Germany, and that Hitler was astonished when the two countries
> chose to live up to their obligations?

England also guaranteed Czechoslovakia against Germany in 1938.  What
happened, Jeffy?  France didn't do diddly when Germany occupied the Ruhr
in 1936.  I think Hitler was well within his rights to think that the
"guarantee" to Poland was just as much hot air as the previous posturing.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 20 03:17:01 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
>>> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>> 
>>>>They do SOME of it.  Who spray-paints swastikas on synagogues, jewish
>>>>homes, vandalizes jewish graveyards?  By and large, jews.
>>> 
>>> Provide evidence, Griswold. You're lying again.
> 
>>Laurie Recht, New York, 1984.  Painted swastikas on her own apartment
>>door, reported "harrassing phone calls" that the FBI could find no
>>evidence of.  That's one off the top of my head.  Other folks should feel
>>free to add anything they can think of.
> 
> That's _just_ one, you mean. From a single incident, you extrapolate
> that the majority of swastikas are painted on Jewish properties by
> Jews? Explain this remarkable statistical procedure, Griswold.
>
> You still have no evidence that most vandalism of Jewish property is
> carried out by Jews. You are still lying.

And yet, strangely, ONE fag with a swastika means that ALL Nazis
are/were/will be queer.  Explain that one, Jeffy.
 
Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 20 10:32:24 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Really dumb shit I once heard...
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> [Followup restricted]
> 
> Les Griswold  wrote:
> 
> # Funny, that.  Trevor Ravenscroft is NOT a revisionist of any sort, 
> # nor would he allow his name to appear on/in a book about revisionism.  
> 
> Who exactly is this Ravenscroft fellow, and can you give the
> exact location of where he writes this?

Ravenscroft is an author who lives (I believe) in England.  He is quite
the God-botherer, as he claims to have had dreams confirming all the nifty
stuff that is predicted in "Revelations".

> # I said that this was HIS explanation for why the Nazis burned jews.
> 
> A rather strange explanation; I read quite a few books and
> articles on the Holocaust, and never saw it.

By your own admission, you've never read Ravenscroft.

> In each and every analysis or testimony I read, it was reported that the Nazis
> burned the corpses of their victims because of completely
> different reasons. First, such a vast amount of corpses was
> a health hazard; second, they were trying to conceal the extent
> of their crimes (this became much more of a factor when they
> began losing the war). 

Yeah, yeah, we've heard it all before.

Les

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The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 20 10:32:28 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Gay Nazis? (was: Pedophiles!)
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Alexander Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article 
>            bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:
>> 
>> Stick with me here, Bobby:
>> 
>> So the higher-ups in Nazidom were faggots, right?  And since the
>> "holocaust" indisputably happened, that means that fifis organized it. 
>> That means that homos are responsible for the (supposed) deaths of 6
>> million jews!  Try spouting that around, then get back to me and tell me
>> how many seconds it took for you to be called a "homophobe".
> 
> During the Weimar era, Marxists portrayed homosexuality as a Nazi perversion.

"During the Weimar era...".  Please.

> In the 1920s and 30s, Marxists in America believed that homosexuality would
> wither away in the healthy new society of the future. It seems that Marxism
> was once a respectable if terrible philosophy. 

So, we are supposed to be impressed by ANYTHING that "da Marxists" say? 

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 20 10:32:33 PDT 1995
Article: 12975 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Why, you're welcome, Chuck!
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Charles Freedberg (cfree@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip)
 
>                        And Thank You Very Much Les for once being
> brutally honest, when by clear implication, you admit that your
> political program is to kill all nonwhites by whatever means necessary.

Uh, Chuckie?  _The Turner Diaries_ is a work of fiction (but it can still
be ordered from NVB!)  Suggesting that politics are derived from a work of
fiction is like, well, saying that the jews are genocidal based on the
Torah (that's the Old Testament, for you other folks).:-)

>         This is a seminal moment in the net 'career' of Les Griswold.
> By admitting his association with Pierce, his non-criticism of his
> ideas, to a thinking person this shouts approval.  Certainly an
> honorable man would not associate, on such an important choice as
> supporting a political faction, while disagreeing with its holiest
> belief.  
>         Well Les, thanks again.  A breath of fresh air from your side
> is a welcome and rare event indeed.

You're really weird.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
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		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 20 10:32:51 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Racist's Progress..item 1
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Sharpfang (an166397@anon.penet.fi) wrote:
 
(snip - what Adam no doubt thinks is his "witty" repartee)

> : Where do the majority of the residents in public housing originate?
> : The same races.  
> 
> OK, so now it's their fault that the ("white"-run) government put them in 
> projects? Don't you prefer that to seeing them diabolical Darkies in 
> _your_ neighborhood? Make up your mind.

Maybe he would prefer that they weren't here at all?  Ever think of that,
smarty-pants?

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 20 12:50:17 PDT 1995
Article: 12850 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Really dumb shit I once heard...
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> [Followup restricted]
> 
> Les Griswold  wrote:
> 
> # Funny, that.  Trevor Ravenscroft is NOT a revisionist of any sort, 
> # nor would he allow his name to appear on/in a book about revisionism.  
> 
> Who exactly is this Ravenscroft fellow, and can you give the
> exact location of where he writes this?

Ravenscroft is an author who lives (I believe) in England.  He is quite
the God-botherer, as he claims to have had dreams confirming all the nifty
stuff that is predicted in "Revelations".

> # I said that this was HIS explanation for why the Nazis burned jews.
> 
> A rather strange explanation; I read quite a few books and
> articles on the Holocaust, and never saw it.

By your own admission, you've never read Ravenscroft.

> In each and every analysis or testimony I read, it was reported that the Nazis
> burned the corpses of their victims because of completely
> different reasons. First, such a vast amount of corpses was
> a health hazard; second, they were trying to conceal the extent
> of their crimes (this became much more of a factor when they
> began losing the war). 

Yeah, yeah, we've heard it all before.

Les

--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 20 12:50:21 PDT 1995
Article: 12851 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Lizard tells us whypreferential treatment is A-OK!
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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:

(snip)

Moi:
>>What really gets me, though, is the liberal insistence on this word,
>>"choice".  When it comes to banging your buddy's butt, "choice" is
>>suddenly sacrosanct, but when it comes to whom we choose as our neighbours,
>>or whom we want to hire, then choice is a bad thing.
> 
> Yes Les, because THEY (whoever THEY may be this week...) have choice 
> too, it IS a free country after all.

Where HAVE you been?  "Free country"?  BWAHAHAHA!!!

> And if THEY want to move in next 
> to you and wave hello in the mornings, so be it.  And the only people 
> really affected by employment equity are larger businesses and faceless 
> corporations, like (the now defunct, and the ever east-indian hating) 
> Majestic Electronics.  You make it sound like every mom'n'pop operation 
> has to hire a minority, as do many right-wing nutballs who want to get 
> the 'american' public riled.  

Unfortunately for you, it's NOT just large businesses and faceless
corporations who are affected by hateful, anti-White preferential
treatment.  Majestic Electronics makes little impression on the man who
has to feed his family, but can't because he lost his job due to
government interference with his employer.  How many people are thrown out
of work every time the government decides that a "racist" company should
be shut down or penalized?

>>> So, if an "ass-bandit" wants to have sex with another "ass-bandit", and 
>>> that "ass-bandit" is consenting... where's the problem?  As long as 
>>> those "ass-bandits" are of age, right?  
>>Who gets to decide "the age"?  I shudder to think that people like you do.
> 
> The law.  Remember that next time you take a wife, eh Les?  Or is this 
> another case of ZOG imposing thier moral codes un good, peace-loving, 
> Whites?

And who makes "the law"?  It could be people like me (which would make you
very uncomfortable), or it could be people like YOU (which would make
EVERYONE very uncomfortable).

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 20 12:50:30 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Pedophiles!
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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article <411qr1$7g@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
> Aryan Crusader   wrote:
>>>> My point still stands, strangely unanswered:  why is it okay to
>>>> discriminate against kiddie molesters, but not okay to do so against
>>>> ass-bandits?
>>>BTW, according to The Oregonian, 8/11/95, p.B6, a new book is about to be
>>>published called "Pink Swastika", by Scott Lively, a Christian anti-Gay
>>>Rights activist. In it he "proves" that the organizers and leadership of
>>>the Nazi party in Germany in the '20s and 30s were, and I quote,
>>>"homosexual, sadomasochistic pedophiles". Your thoughts?
>>My thought is that Les Griswold has a great point, and since you cannot answer 
>>it, you're diverting the issue.
> 
> We've answered it pinhead.  And it comes down to Consent.  

Have not.  Rambling on about "consent" doesn't answer anything.  Why is
consent (and it's telling that you capitalized it) granted for SOME
things, but not others?  Why not allow people to jerk off in the middle of
Shea Stadium during the seventh-inning stretch?  After all, it's not
*hurting* anybody (of course, Lizard will think this is a GRAND idea!)

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 20 12:50:35 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Gay Nazis? (was: Pedophiles!)
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Alexander Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article 
>            bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:
>> 
>> Stick with me here, Bobby:
>> 
>> So the higher-ups in Nazidom were faggots, right?  And since the
>> "holocaust" indisputably happened, that means that fifis organized it. 
>> That means that homos are responsible for the (supposed) deaths of 6
>> million jews!  Try spouting that around, then get back to me and tell me
>> how many seconds it took for you to be called a "homophobe".
> 
> During the Weimar era, Marxists portrayed homosexuality as a Nazi perversion.

"During the Weimar era...".  Please.

> In the 1920s and 30s, Marxists in America believed that homosexuality would
> wither away in the healthy new society of the future. It seems that Marxism
> was once a respectable if terrible philosophy. 

So, we are supposed to be impressed by ANYTHING that "da Marxists" say? 

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 20 12:50:42 PDT 1995
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Subject: Why, you're welcome, Chuck!
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Charles Freedberg (cfree@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip)
 
>                        And Thank You Very Much Les for once being
> brutally honest, when by clear implication, you admit that your
> political program is to kill all nonwhites by whatever means necessary.

Uh, Chuckie?  _The Turner Diaries_ is a work of fiction (but it can still
be ordered from NVB!)  Suggesting that politics are derived from a work of
fiction is like, well, saying that the jews are genocidal based on the
Torah (that's the Old Testament, for you other folks).:-)

>         This is a seminal moment in the net 'career' of Les Griswold.
> By admitting his association with Pierce, his non-criticism of his
> ideas, to a thinking person this shouts approval.  Certainly an
> honorable man would not associate, on such an important choice as
> supporting a political faction, while disagreeing with its holiest
> belief.  
>         Well Les, thanks again.  A breath of fresh air from your side
> is a welcome and rare event indeed.

You're really weird.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
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		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 20 12:50:53 PDT 1995
Article: 12866 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Racist's Progress..item 1
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Sharpfang (an166397@anon.penet.fi) wrote:
 
(snip - what Adam no doubt thinks is his "witty" repartee)

> : Where do the majority of the residents in public housing originate?
> : The same races.  
> 
> OK, so now it's their fault that the ("white"-run) government put them in 
> projects? Don't you prefer that to seeing them diabolical Darkies in 
> _your_ neighborhood? Make up your mind.

Maybe he would prefer that they weren't here at all?  Ever think of that,
smarty-pants?

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 20 14:32:49 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Really dumb shit I once heard...
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> [Followup restricted]
> 
> Les Griswold  wrote:
> 
> # Funny, that.  Trevor Ravenscroft is NOT a revisionist of any sort, 
> # nor would he allow his name to appear on/in a book about revisionism.  
> 
> Who exactly is this Ravenscroft fellow, and can you give the
> exact location of where he writes this?

Ravenscroft is an author who lives (I believe) in England.  He is quite
the God-botherer, as he claims to have had dreams confirming all the nifty
stuff that is predicted in "Revelations".

> # I said that this was HIS explanation for why the Nazis burned jews.
> 
> A rather strange explanation; I read quite a few books and
> articles on the Holocaust, and never saw it.

By your own admission, you've never read Ravenscroft.

> In each and every analysis or testimony I read, it was reported that the Nazis
> burned the corpses of their victims because of completely
> different reasons. First, such a vast amount of corpses was
> a health hazard; second, they were trying to conceal the extent
> of their crimes (this became much more of a factor when they
> began losing the war). 

Yeah, yeah, we've heard it all before.

Les

--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 20 14:33:16 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: A Racist's Progress..item 1
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Sharpfang (an166397@anon.penet.fi) wrote:
 
(snip - what Adam no doubt thinks is his "witty" repartee)

> : Where do the majority of the residents in public housing originate?
> : The same races.  
> 
> OK, so now it's their fault that the ("white"-run) government put them in 
> projects? Don't you prefer that to seeing them diabolical Darkies in 
> _your_ neighborhood? Make up your mind.

Maybe he would prefer that they weren't here at all?  Ever think of that,
smarty-pants?

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bzs@world.std.com Sun Aug 20 23:54:38 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Lizard's jingoism! (was: But what the jews can't stand...)
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>England also guaranteed Czechoslovakia against Germany in 1938.  What
>happened, Jeffy?  France didn't do diddly when Germany occupied the Ruhr
>in 1936.  I think Hitler was well within his rights to think that the
>"guarantee" to Poland was just as much hot air as the previous posturing.

Hitler was obviously free to think what he liked, but he was also
obviously often wrong. Look where his thinking got him and his
nation...

Any national leader who "thinks" it'd be ok to invade a country based
on any reasoning is asking for trouble. Ask Saddam.


-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 21 08:29:02 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Why, you're welcome, Chuck!
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Charles "In Charge" Freedberg (cfree@ix.netcom.com) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> 			If the recent news reports are true, clearly
> Timothy McVeigh's politics were most certainly influenced by The Turner
> Diaries.

"If the recent news reports are true...".  Need I say more?

I recall the news media freaking out about the possibility that the OKC
bombing was the result of "Islamic fundamentalists".

> The 'hero' of the story, Turner, even uses a bomb similar to
> the one used in OK.  In the Diaries, the white supremacy terrorist 
> organization was called the Order.  A few years after the book was
> written, a group of white supremacists murdered talk radio host Alan
> Berg in Denver, and robbed a number of armored cars.  That group called
> itself the Order.  A direct borrowing from the Diaries.  Their is
> little doubt that the Diaries have, and will have again, a sick
> influence on our culture.  I stand uncorrected,  and my original point
> that the Diaries do represent an accurate portrayal of the dreams and
> desires of your twisted movement stands.  

You seem quite conversant with what's in _The Turner Diaries_.  How many
times have you read it?

(snip - Charles Freedboig rant deleted)

>           Btw, the Torah is only the five books of Moses, Genesis,
> Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, not the entire Hebrew
> Bible.  You can add biblical scholar to that ever growing list of those
> things which you are not. Stick to expounding on Mein Kampf and the
> Diaries, they are definately your only area of expertise.

Oh, boo-hoo-hoo, I'm not an authority on jewish fairy-tales.  Guess I'll
go hang my head in shame.

Les


--
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Charles "In Charge" Freedberg (cfree@ix.netcom.com) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> 			If the recent news reports are true, clearly
> Timothy McVeigh's politics were most certainly influenced by The Turner
> Diaries.

"If the recent news reports are true...".  Need I say more?

I recall the news media freaking out about the possibility that the OKC
bombing was the result of "Islamic fundamentalists".

> The 'hero' of the story, Turner, even uses a bomb similar to
> the one used in OK.  In the Diaries, the white supremacy terrorist 
> organization was called the Order.  A few years after the book was
> written, a group of white supremacists murdered talk radio host Alan
> Berg in Denver, and robbed a number of armored cars.  That group called
> itself the Order.  A direct borrowing from the Diaries.  Their is
> little doubt that the Diaries have, and will have again, a sick
> influence on our culture.  I stand uncorrected,  and my original point
> that the Diaries do represent an accurate portrayal of the dreams and
> desires of your twisted movement stands.  

You seem quite conversant with what's in _The Turner Diaries_.  How many
times have you read it?

(snip - Charles Freedboig rant deleted)

>           Btw, the Torah is only the five books of Moses, Genesis,
> Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, not the entire Hebrew
> Bible.  You can add biblical scholar to that ever growing list of those
> things which you are not. Stick to expounding on Mein Kampf and the
> Diaries, they are definately your only area of expertise.

Oh, boo-hoo-hoo, I'm not an authority on jewish fairy-tales.  Guess I'll
go hang my head in shame.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 21 19:31:50 PDT 1995
Article: 26288 of alt.skinheads
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Jenn Starkman:  Jewish Nazi! (was:  HIPPIES, HYPOCRITES & RACISM)
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Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip - Jenn ATTEMPTING to be all high-and-mighty by blabbing on and on
about definitions, thereby avoiding the issue, ie that she discriminates
against "hippies")

>> And these, Jenn, are all things that are routinely said by "Natsees" about
>> leftists.  How is this different?  Oh, I get it, because a JEW can say
>> these things, but us ignorant non-jews can't.
> 
> So now nazis are claiming that they dislike minorities because of the
> way we dress?

No, Jenn, we dislike LEFTISTS because of the way they dress, among many
other things.  Get it right.

> Well gee, Lester, I know an awful lot of nazi kids who
> like to dress like us minority skinheads...what does that make them? 
> As for the difference between our dislike of hippies and racism, I
> stated that in a previous post.  If you can't or won't read enough to
> understand the argument, then I'm not about to spoon feed you.  I'm
> not avoiding the issue, so don't even try that tack.  The fact is, I
> answered your question before you ever asked it, and if you want that
> answer then you can damn well go back and read it.

(snip)
 
>> Gee, the Nazis were perfectly reasonable in disliking jews for corrupting
>> their society.
> 
> Again, the difference being that you, as a nazi, have no proof to back
> up any of your claims that the Jews are "corrupting your society".

So I guess Marcus Eli Ravage's missive is not proof?  Of course, he
probably wasn't a REAL jew, right?  Only someone saying something that a
jew agrees with is "real", right?

> (See Ken McVay's 10 Questions, Raven's Myopia , etc.)  The things
> that I've stated about hippies are statements that have been made to
> me *by* hippies.

And you're dead certain, are you, that "anti-semitism" is NEVER based on
first-hand experience with jews, but is just gleaned from newsprint
tracts?  You really *are* naive, unless you're lying.

BTW, have you spoken to *all* hippies?  Do you know that *all* of them
behave in ways you find odious?  Face it, Jenn, you're a stinking
hypocrite.  We talk about SOME Blacks, and you One-Worlders come back
with, "But that's just a FEW of them!"  On the other hand, you meet a few
hippies, and you say, "ALL hippies are scum!"

> They are not accusations, but things that most of
> the hippies *I've* ever met will gladly tell you are part of their
> lifestyle.  Then again, I also mentioned this earlier and you seem
> (big surprise) to conveniently have ignored it.  Please, Lester, read
> the argument before you respond to it.  

And many ARA-types are drug-addled, queer-loving, no-hope losers.  I can
see this for myself.  So why do you pillory me for making an observation
about the real world?
  
> So far, every argument you've made here has been refuted, and every
> question answered, before you even showed up on this thread.  If
> you're going to join in, the least you could do is add something new...

Like hell.  It's been one run-around after another, Jenn.  Looks like
another is about to begin...
 
(snip)
 
> I've already told you that I speak only from personal experience. 
> Ever hippie that I have ever met--and I've met plenty--has taken pride
> in not caring about appearances, in following the Dead with whatever
> money they can scrounge without working for "big business".  If you
> can't trust it from the hippies themselves, who can you trust it from?

And if you can't trust _The Protocols_, Marcus Eli Ravage, and Benjamin
Disraeli, among others, who *can* you trust?
 
> As I said, I make these statements not as derogatory comments, but as
> what I've been told by hippies themselves that they believe in.  I
> have no agenda--I don't really care what they do, or where they are,
> as long as they leave me alone.

I don't care where minorities are or what they do either, as long as they
leave me and mine alone.
>... --and, above all, of being incredibly, unbelievably,
> unforgivably boring.

That hurt.  If I'm such a baddie, why are you responding, IN DETAIL, to
everything I write?

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 21 18:19:35 PDT 1995
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Sharpfang (an166397@anon.penet.fi) wrote:
 
(snip - what Adam no doubt thinks is his "witty" repartee)

> : Where do the majority of the residents in public housing originate?
> : The same races.  
> 
> OK, so now it's their fault that the ("white"-run) government put them in 
> projects? Don't you prefer that to seeing them diabolical Darkies in 
> _your_ neighborhood? Make up your mind.

Maybe he would prefer that they weren't here at all?  Ever think of that,
smarty-pants?

Les


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		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 22 01:18:10 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Really dumb shit I once heard...
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Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:
> In message  - bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les 
> Griswold) writes:

(Trevor Ravenscroft wrote that):
> :>>>In the '20s and '30s, German land owners had to hunt rabbits to keep them 
> :>>>from destroying their land.  Somebody (I forget who) discovered that by 
> :>>>burning certain glands of the ex-bunnies, other rabbits would be kept 
> :>>>away.  So, after the grounds-keepers had bagged some rabbit, a bonfire 
> :>>>would be lit, the parts in question thrown in, and voila!  no more 
> :>>>rabbits, for a long, long time.  Supposedly, this was the inspiration for 
> :>>>burning the jews:  it would put a certain "jewish essence" into the air, 
> :>>>which would keep other jews from settling nearby. 
 
> That's a crock of shit, Les.

Take it up with Trevor Ravenscroft.

> No one in his right mind believes garbage like that, and I really have to 
> wonder at your motivation for posting it.

Simple:  to show how far-out some of the ideas about the "holocaust" are.

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 22 21:03:54 PDT 1995
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Rob Carscadden (carscadd@pps.duke.edu) writes:

(snip)

> How many times are we going to go throught this crap:
> "We just don't happen to believe that jews and blacks are people."
> 
> Can you devise a definition of human which doesn't included blacks or 
> Jews?

He just did, ie "human = White".  Wake up.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 22 21:06:34 PDT 1995
Article: 36 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals?  Intelligent?  Gimme a BREAK!
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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>> (lzaird@io.org) writes:
>>> In article ,
>>> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>>>Not at all.  I'm pointing out that people often define "white" as anything
>>>>that isn't Black or Asian.  Puerto Ricans, Indians, Arabs... all classed
>>>>as White.  Pretty amazing.
>>> 
>>> Yeah Les, pretty amazing, especially since I always thought Puerto 
>>> Ricans, Indians, and Arabs, were classified as Puerto Ricans, Indians, 
>>> and Arabs... but thanks for clearing all that up.
>>Not at all, idjut.  How are they classified on IQ tests?  
> 
> Uhhhhhh, human?  

Don't be an asshole.  These are the sorts of discrepancies that liberal
"We're all of one race - the HUMAN race!" twits don't like being brought
up.  What IS the racial affiliation of Puerto Ricans, Indians (East), and
Arabs, smarty?

Les




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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 22 21:06:34 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lemme clear something up here...
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 (evil Beavis) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  Aryan Crusader:  Smart guy.  Says smart stuff.
>>  
>>  Evil Beavis:  Asshole.  I wouldn't cross the street to spit on his face.
>>  (well, maybe I would...)
>>  
>>  Does that clarify at all?

> Yes, it clarifies quite simply that the only response you're capable of is to insult 
> me. It furthermore shows that I have given you of all the racists here far too 
> much credit for cognitive capabilities. You think the "Aryan (Reuben!!) 
> Crusader" is smart...?? Yep, you sure cleared something up alright!

Did I hurt your feelings, eB?

I know exactly who A.C. is.  I still think he's one of the more
intelligent people here, certainly leagues beyond anything you could ever
be.  Talk about the result of defective genes...  YOU'RE IT!!!

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 22 21:06:35 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: evil Beavis the butt-head!
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 (evil Beavis) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  > (And how do Asians (as a group) do so well when AfAm works AGAINST them?)
>>  
>>  How DO they do so well?  Well, if you talk to most people, Asians aren't
>>  seen as a threat.  They look more like us than Blacks, so they aren't seen
>>  as alien.  But having spent time with them, I know that they have a
>>  totally alien set of values, values that are totally incompatible with
>>  White values.

> Well, Les, you're values are also quite incompatible with those of most decent whites...

At least I can spell, and tell the difference between "your" and "you're".

If I was you, I'd be plenty pissed at the teachers who aren't teaching me
the difference between a possessive and a contraction.

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 22 22:03:00 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Richie, Richie, Richie... (was:  HIPPIES, HYPOCRITES AND RACISM)
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Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>> Richard Collins (richie@netcom.com) writes:
> 
>> All right.  So SWF made a mistake by using the term "racism" to define
>> your prejudice.  But then light-o-your-life Jenny-poo jumped in and
>> attempted to deny that there was any sort of bigotry attached to hating
>> hippies.  She has been (rightly) called a hypocrite.  There's little
>> difference, and no SIGNIFICANT difference, between a racist and a bigot.
> 
> Lester, sweet-pea, if you can quote *any* part of *any* of my
> followups to this thread where I stated that there was no bigotry or
> prejudice inherent in hating hippies, I might consider getting back
> into this debate.

Your virulent denial that there was anything similar to being a racist in
your prejudicial behaviour.
 
> Frankly, you're using up a whole lot of bandwidth to say a whole lot
> of nothing.  I admitted *openly* that I was prejudiced against
> hippies--I did this by stating simply that I didn't like them, which,
> in turn, would make me prejudiced against them.  I deny nothing of the
> sort.  You can't call me a hypocrite just because you would *like* me
> to play the game your way and I didn't.  Unlike you, I take full
> responsibility for my words.  Put simply:  I am prejudiced against
> hippies.  There!  I'm no longer a hypocrite! 

Jenn, Jenn, Jenn...

I called you a hypocrite because you were wailing long 'n' loud about
being likened to a racist because you were a hippie-hater.  So SWF didn't
use PRECISELY, EXACTLY the word that was appropriate.  I'm sure that she
realizes her mistake, and won't repeat it.  But you, like a typical
hair-splitting jew, latched onto THAT and tried to refute here entire
argument.  Please, I know that you can't resist bending the truth, but try
not to be so blatantly misrepresentative - it doesn't help you any, and it
creates more "anti-semitism" than your endless pontificating will ever
counter.

>> > TOP TEN REASONS RICHIE HATES HIPPIES: >> > 
>> > 10) They smell funny
>> > 9 ) They dress funny
>> > 8 ) They hate me
>> > 7 ) They need haircuts
>> > 6 ) They need baths
>> > 5 ) They need jobs
>> > 4 ) They need shoes
>> > 3 ) They take drugs
>> > 2 ) They listen to awful music
>> > 
>> > And the number #1 reason that this guy hates hippies .........
>> > 
>> > 1) They smell funny   >:^)
> 
>> Richie, Richie, Richie...
> 
>> Being a mulatto, don't you realize that these are many of the reasons that
>> racists find minorities to be less-than-attractive?  
> 
> Not really, after all, Richie doesn't smell funny, dress funny, hate
> you for any reason other than that you'd have him killed for no
> particular reason if you could get away with it), need a haircut, need
> a bath, need a job, need shoes, take drugs, or inflict awful music on
> others.

Jenn, whether they're reality or not, they're EXACTLY what is said about
minorities.  Save your spiel for those who will be impressed by it.

> Besides that, there's the fact that he's undeniably handsome to look at.

Jenn, save your goo-goo eyes for alt.horny.JAPs

(snip - me calling Jenny and Richie hypocrites)

> Lester, sweetheart, look up the word hypocrisy in a dictionary. 
> Neither Richie nor myself has contradicted ourselves at all.  We
> openly admit our prejudices against hippies and have already detailed
> the significant differences between hating someone for the lifestyle
> they choose to follow, and hating someone for being born what they are.

*yawn*  Being anti-hippie (a hippiephobe?) is a "safe" form of
discrimination, right?  I mean, you and Richie can actually engage in
hating others, and for now you're safe from any of those odious labels
that are immediately slapped on pro-White people!

Les


--
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more than a population.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 23 08:42:15 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lemme clear something up here...
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article <41dcmv$k4s@kaleka.seanet.com>, Teri
>  wrote:

(snip)
 
>> Alright Mr. Fuck-up... What have you done with your life? You're hiding 
>> behind a fucking cartoon character's name! And a 15-year-old, discusting 
>> one at that. Do you like to be associated with that garbage? That is what 
>> is wrong with the world today - shitheads like this one that watch too 
>> much television!
> 
> Oooooh! Another "discusting" cartoon character that offends Me Too (tm)
> aka the SexNazi.

Jeannie, Jeannie, Jeannie...

You really should be careful of whom you get into bed with (no, don't tear
all your clothes off in anticipation of doing the nasty with eB, it's
just a figure of speech).  Do you realize that you're picking up for the
biggest tool on this board, ie evil Beavis?  Just thought I'd clarify that
for you, since you don't seem to realize the gravity of what you're doing.>

>> Mrs. Teri Crusader, the Wicked WHITE Snow Witch (I'm still the SexNazi)
> 
> Why aren't you scribbling this crap on your peechee? Mrs. Hate ... I
> *heart* the rubester ... I wanna be a breedsow for the white race ...

*sigh*  Again, Jeanne reveals her jealousy.

Wassamatter, Jeanne?  Upset that Teri has found someone to admire?  Afraid
she's gonna take your place as the board floozie?  Not to worry, your
position as the dumbest female here is secure;  Teri could NEVER be as
vapid as you.

Les

--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 23 08:42:16 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: eB the spelling teacher! (was: Lemme clear something up here...)
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 (evil Beavis) writes:
>>   Teri  writes:
>>  Alright Mr. Fuck-up... What have you done with your life? You're hiding 
>>  behind a fucking cartoon character's name! And a 15-year-old, discusting 
>>  one at that. Do you like to be associated with that garbage? That is what 
>>  is wrong with the world today - shitheads like this one that watch too 
>>  much television!
> 
>>  Mrs. Teri Crusader, the Wicked WHITE Snow Witch (I'm still the SexNazi)
> 
> That's spelled "disgusting" you stupid bitch... oh, I guess it's witch huh??

You really shouldn't use language like that, eB, your mommy will have to
wash your mouth out with soap.

Get back to us when you've started shaving, little boy.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 23 08:42:17 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Lemme clear something up here...
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Aryan Crusader (rlogsdon@io.com) writes:
>>> >>  Aryan Crusader:  Smart guy.  Says smart stuff.
>>> >>  
>>> >>  Evil Beavis:  Asshole.  I wouldn't cross the street to spit on his face.
>>> >>  (well, maybe I would...)
>>> >>  
>>> >>  Does that clarify at all?
> 
> Thanks, Les.  I temporarily unsub'ed from this ng, but I'm glad to be back.

It's good to have you back.
 
>>> Makes perfect sense to me, Les! I would... Nah... He hasn't annoyed me 
>>> quite as bad as Beebe did... Just wait.
> 
> Evil Beavis is behaving about like Beebe did when he was young.  I'm not 
> going to flame his ass too hard, because after seeing that even Mike Beebe 
> can turn around, I've found more hope for the White youth in the world.

Don't put too much stock in Beebe.  From what I've seen (the fact that
I've seen some of his messages will no doubt give him a "See?  I told you
so!" hard-on), he's still an ignorant, stupidity-filled asshole.  His
having been proven wrong has done nothing to stopper his big mouth.

>>Why aren't you scribbling this crap on your peechee? Mrs. Hate ... I
>>*heart* the rubester ... I wanna be a breedsow for the white race ...
>>
>>Jeanne K.
> 
> Jeanne, this harrassment of my relationship is kind of upsetting.  We're 
> here to talk about the advancement of the White Race; personal attacks 
> have no place in this discussion.

That's all Jeanne is capable of.  Face it, A.C., that's what we face NO
MATTER WHERE we go.  Liberals are deathly afraid of real discussion, so
they resort to personal insults.  Or else one encounters intellectual
poverty like that demonstrated by Jeanne, and just has to grin and bear it.
 
> It's pretty obvious that your husband is a wanker.  If I had nothing to 
> say to advance the cause of Greater White Amerikkka, then maybe I'd 
> attack you personally for having such poor taste in selecting a marriage 
> partner.

Now, now.  Rob may be a "go into the woods on the weekend to find the
inner warrior" type, but he DID win the heart of Jeanne, so he MUST have
something going for him, right?:-)

Seriously, I get the distinct impression that Jeanne TOLD Rob that he was
going to marry her, period.  There's no doubt in my mind as to whom wears
the pants in THAT, um, "family".

> But because you're an American, I have held my tongue and simply 
> illustrated some of the more blatant idiocies of your anti-White agenda. 
> As the late Mr. Padgett said, "we're all friends here".  Let's try to keep 
> the discussion isolated to the White Race and keep Teri and I out of it.

Sorry, A.C., gotta point something out here:  Jeanne and her ilk are NO
FRIENDS OF OURS.

Les


--
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 23 08:42:18 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Rob n' Jeanne, sittin' in a tree... (was: My thoughts?)
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Rob Kowalewski (robk@efn.org) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>> >> 2)  You're Jeanne in "gender-neutral" clothing.
>> >> 
>> >> Pathetic.  For someone who led the charge against Sylvie and I, Jeanne,
>> >> you sure are quick to do it yourself.

(snip)

> Yo! Les! Me again!

Hi, Bobby!
 
> Looks like we need to go over this one more, and hopefully the last, time.
> 
> I am a blonde, blue-eyed, man from Polish/German stock who uses a public
> 'Net provider.

People can make things up, Bobby.  And it IS possible to phone other numbers.

> Jeanne is a woman (sic), who's personal details I'll leave to her to
> reveal as she wishes, who by virtue of her grad student status, uses the
> U/Oregon 'Net system. See? TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE!! > 

> I must say, though, that you almost had it when you responded to me by
> (mistakenly) calling me "Bobby". Maybe we ARE making progress here!
> 
> Rob K.

Les


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The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 23 08:42:19 PDT 1995
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Subject: Rob LIKES Orientals!
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Rob Kowalewski (robk@efn.org) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> 
>  
>> How DO they do so well?  Well, if you talk to most people, Asians aren't
>> seen as a threat.  They look more like us than Blacks, so they aren't seen
>> as alien.  But having spent time with them, I know that they have a
>> totally alien set of values, values that are totally incompatible with
>> White values.
> 
> Yo! Les! Me again. Your buddy Rob "Jeanne's Distinctly Seperate Spousal
> Unit" K. Y'know, you may be onto something. How can we in the West hope to
> get along with cultures that value a multi-generational family structure,
> hard work, personal honor, and group well-being? These accursed Yellow
> Hordes must be stopped!!

Yes, they must.  Admire them if you must, since it seems that you're too
whipped to find anything admirable about being White, but they ARE alien.

Some other things that Orientals value that you might have mentioned are
infanticide, cruelty, lying, accomodation, "face" (ie, it doesn't matter
if it's wrong, as long as you LOOK good).  Must have been a mere
oversight that caused you to overlook these things.  I know that YOU,
Bobby, wouldn't be so dishonest as to PURPOSELY neglect to mention them.

Les
 

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Subject: Can you spell "pussywhipped"?  That's R-O-B K...
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Hey, if the shoe fits...

Les

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more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 10:57:20 PDT 1995
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Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes: 

(snip)

>>Can so.  White is anyone of wholly Northern European ancestry.
> 
> So, Italians aren't white? How 'bout the French, are they white?
> Poles? Russians? Which of these groups are or aren't white?
> 
> Perhaps it will be easier if you just state which nations are
> white. Northern Europe.. Is this a hemispheric parallel thing,
> or can you just specify countries? What about the Finnish?

Lane, Lane, Lane...

It's so enjoyable to have you here making an ass out of yourself.  It's
almost too easy:  I just wind you up and set you off, like a good little
robot. 

"Give Lane a gun, and watch her shoot herself in the foot..."

Les

--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


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 (evil Beavis) writes:
>>  Dead wrong.  The courageous person tells the truth, even though doing so
>>  may earn the contempt of his fellows, human or otherwise.  And the truth
>>  is that the white race deserves to have its will -- to exist in purity. 
>>  No ifs, ands or buts.
>>  
>>  Matthew Broyfish  
>>  
> Oh, so you have a monopoly on truth along with your pathetic racist friends?  
> Well, I guess you being white is reason enough to never doubt you... As far as 
> "our" white race existing in purity - it never has, and it most certainly never will. 
> Look around you, we are becoming a minority and you better learn how to 
> adapt.

Sound advice from a sick, sick person who actually looks forward to the
day when a nigger will own his pathetic white ass.

(snip - eB's predictable rant for mixing it up with anything on two legs.)

> ... Look at ethnic strife such as in Rwanda, Bosnia, Chiapas etc... is that
> what you want for "your" America?

You've just shot yourself in the foot, eB.  Rwanda, Bosnia, and Chiapas
are ALL the result of forcing people to do what they don't want to do.  

Some things can be borne.  Genocide against the White race is not one of
them.  The industrialized world could live forever without minorities.  It
couldn't last a day without Whites.

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 04:57:15 PDT 1995
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Aryan Crusader (rlogsdon@io.com) writes:

(snip)

> I've noticed some liberal hipocrisy among these types lately.  On one hand, 
> all racists are allegedly ignorant, welfare-using trailer park dwellers.  But 
> if we ask them why the common Negro possesses an intelligence only slightly 
> above legal mental retardation, all of a sudden, *everyone* in America's 
> elite is a vile racist who's holding the Black man down.

You're too nice.  That's been the liberal position from day one.  The
"trailer-park trash" bit is a new one that they brainstormed on IRC, no
doubt, after watching lots of "Roseanne" and other jews-as-whites crap.
 
> So either we're right, in that there's a serious genetic difference between 
> Whites and Blacks, or we're wrong but we're supported silently by a large 
> majority of Americans, in which case, of course, we don't have to be right.
> Either way, the crack-pot libs can only hurl insults and pray that the 
> mudfolks get to 'em before we do...

True enough.  Liberals are just deathly afraid of ANY investigation into
what makes their hearts tick.  I've read quite often lately that a liberal
is someone who loves groups of people, but isn't too fond of individuals.
 
(snip)
 
>>Seriously, I get the distinct impression that Jeanne TOLD Rob that he was
>>going to marry her, period.  There's no doubt in my mind as to whom wears
>>the pants in THAT, um, "family".
> 
> I'll check up on 'em next time I'm in Oregon and I have some free time; I've 
> started to suspect that they're Jews or something.

Uh-oh!  Jeanne's gonna freak on that one, and probably accuse you of being
me, or me of being you, or whatever.
 
Les



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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Hey, if the shoe fits...
>   :
>   :Les
> 
> The only possible basis I can find for that conclusion is that Rob shares
> his wife's views and posts accordingly. 
> 
> Er, Les...is that Sylvie calling you in the background?

It just burns you up that Jeanne would be such a bone-head as to get her
"hubby" to post here, after all the stink she raised about Sylvie and I. 
What a chink in the liberal armour!

Les


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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
 
(snip)
  
Moi: 
>> Jeannie, Jeannie, Jeannie...
>> 
>> You really should be careful of whom you get into bed with (no, don't tear
>> all your clothes off in anticipation of doing the nasty with eB, it's
>> just a figure of speech).  Do you realize that you're picking up for the
>> biggest tool on this board, ie evil Beavis?  Just thought I'd clarify that
>> for you, since you don't seem to realize the gravity of what you're doing.>
> 
> Les, you've been mentioning "wienie" and "tool" in some of your recent
> posts, and I'm getting concerned. Trouble on the homefront? Lil' Adolph
> won't Seig Heil (wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more) when RAHOWA starts
> screeching on the old eight track?

You've discovered my secret!:-(  I'm trying to seduce you with my
subliminal dirty language!  (say, if it's so subliminal, why are you
picking up on it, and more importantly, why are you broadcasting the fact?)

Moi again: 
>> *sigh*  Again, Jeanne reveals her jealousy.
> 
> Jealousy??? I doubt it, Leshole. If you'd taken your head out of your ass
> long enough to pay attention, I've said previously that Rob and I have
> been in a monogamous relationship for 18 years and will have our 16th
> wedding anniversary in September. If you think that I'd trade my husband
> and everything that we have done in our marriage for Me Too's fantasy
> relationship with Odo, the shapeshifting whit-prodder (tm), you're out of
> your mind.

"Monogamous"?  That's what Rob has TOLD you... if I was married to a
battle-axe like you, I'd seek relief in week-end jaunts to the woods too.

>> Wassamatter, Jeanne?  Upset that Teri has found someone to admire? 
> 
> Nah, I just wish that Me Too and Odo would take their WP slap and tickle
> adventures elsewhere. I find it really interesting how, in some
> relationships, both people bring out the best in each other, while other
> relationships, they just feed on each others' stupidity and weaknesses. 

Too bad.  They're going to leave when you do.  

I seem to recall you saying something about being here to stay... is life
with Bobby REALLY so unexciting that you must come here for your jollies?
 
>> Afraid she's gonna take your place as the board floozie?  Not to worry, your
>> position as the dumbest female here is secure;  Teri could NEVER be as
>> vapid as you.
> 
> When I write as an ignorant and vulgar redneck, it is by choice, Leshole.

Sure, Jeanne, sure.

Typical liberal riposte:  "I MEANT to do that!"

> BTW, how can I possibly be vapid (Lacking liveliness, animation, or
> interest; dull) AND a floozie (A woman regarded as gaudy or tawdry)?
> C'mon, Les, how'd you manage to make such an ass of yourself this time?

You liberals are great at being two-faced.  I just call 'em as I see 'em.
 
Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 04:57:17 PDT 1995
Article: 178 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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 (evil Beavis) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  Can so.  White is anyone of wholly Northern European ancestry.
>>  
>>  Les
> 
> So what exactly IS your ancestry, Les? 

Wholly Northern European, arsewipe.  And yours?

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
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		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 04:57:18 PDT 1995
Article: 179 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lemme clear something up here...
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Aryan Crusader (rlogsdon@io.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)
 
>>That's all Jeanne is capable of.  Face it, A.C., that's what we face NO
>>MATTER WHERE we go.  Liberals are deathly afraid of real discussion, so
>>they resort to personal insults.  Or else one encounters intellectual
>>poverty like that demonstrated by Jeanne, and just has to grin and bear it.
> 
> I'd like to think that *some* liberals could put up a good argument.  Bill 
> Clinton, for example, should be able to defend his libr'l policies.  I think 
> we've just attracted the low end of the liberal intelligence spectrum 
> around here.

There's nothing BUT a low end to the liberal intelligence spectrum, Bill
Clinton notwithstanding.  The final position which ANY liberal argument
can be reduced to (if they've got the upper hand) is "do it my way or
there'll be hell to pay"; if they DON'T have the power to enforce their
crazy ideas, there'll be no end of snivelling from them.  Simple logic
tears their "ideas" to shreds.

>>Now, now.  Rob may be a "go into the woods on the weekend to find the
>>inner warrior" type, but he DID win the heart of Jeanne, so he MUST have
>>something going for him, right?:-)
> 
> They're made for each other.

BWAHAHAHA!!!

>>Sorry, A.C., gotta point something out here:  Jeanne and her ilk are NO
>>FRIENDS OF OURS.
> 
> Well, they ain't exaclty friends, but as long as they're White, they're 
> tolerable in my book.

Traitors are the worst offenders, to my way of thinking.  If they were
minorities, I could at least understand theire motivation to denigrate the
White race, but a shocking number of liberals are guilty whites, with a
masochistic streak a mile wide.

> If the political climate changed, 90% of 'em would jump to our side and
> continue to waste their lives flaming a.p.radical-left or something.

Yeah, pathetic, isn't it?  I have nothing but contempt for people who suck
up like that.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 04:57:19 PDT 1995
Article: 180 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lemme clear something up here...
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Teri (nclearwntr@nclearwntr.seanet.com) writes:
> jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Jeanne Kowalewski) wrote:
> 
>>Jealousy??? I doubt it, Leshole. If you'd taken your head out of your ass
>>long enough to pay attention, I've said previously that Rob and I have
>>been in a monogamous relationship for 18 years and will have our 16th
>>wedding anniversary in September. If you think that I'd trade my husband
>>and everything that we have done in our marriage for Me Too's fantasy
>>relationship with Odo, the shapeshifting whit-prodder (tm), you're out of
>>your mind.
> 
> Why don't you find something more productive to do with your time, 
> Jeanne? 

Pretty revealing, that slamming us "whit-prodders" is such a priority item
on her list.
 
>>> Wassamatter, Jeanne?  Upset that Teri has found someone to admire? 
>>
>>Nah, I just wish that Me Too and Odo would take their WP slap and tickle
>>adventures elsewhere. I find it really interesting how, in some
>>relationships, both people bring out the best in each other, while other
>>relationships, they just feed on each others' stupidity and weaknesses. 
> 
> Um, excuse me?! Shall I start mimicking you and running my mouth off 
> about your personal life, Jeanne? Would you like that? I'm sure it would 
> go nicely with all of your other sick obsessions. I am not anything near 
> weak, bitch. 

Don't be too upset, Teri.  Jeanne has been "monogamous" with Bobby for
EIGHTEEN YEARS now, so she speaks from experience!:-)  If she starts
prying into personal affairs, she knows what she's talking about!:-) 

>>When I write as an ignorant and vulgar redneck, it is by choice, Leshole.
>>BTW, how can I possibly be vapid (Lacking liveliness, animation, or
>>interest; dull) AND a floozie (A woman regarded as gaudy or tawdry)?
>>C'mon, Les, how'd you manage to make such an ass of yourself this time?
>>
>>Uh oh, it's starting to smell awfully familiar in here. Sylvie, you wanna
>>come in and clean this up?
> 
> What the *fuck* is your obsession with other peoples' personal lives, 
> Jeanne? I wish you'd stay out of them.

Her own life is such a howling success, she just feels the need to share
with others.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 04:57:20 PDT 1995
Article: 184 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lemme clear something up here...
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
  
(snip)
   
>> "Monogamous"?  That's what Rob has TOLD you... if I was married to a
>> battle-axe like you, I'd seek relief in week-end jaunts to the woods too.
> 
> Being able to have these little exchanges with you and your buddies has
> given me a positive outlet for any kind of negative feelings I might have.
> I'm very pleasant to my family and friends and everyone that I deal with
> in person. You don't fit into those categories though, so I'm never going
> to be nice to you, Leshole.

Jeanne, Jeanne, Jeanne...

I suspect that the only reason you're nice to your family is that you
realize what a bunch of winners you've hitched up with, and you absolutely
refuse to admit that you've made a second mistake and stuck with it for
eighteen years.  Oh well, if coming here and blowing off a little steam
allows you to face yourself in the mirror one more day, I'll not deny you.

>> >> Wassamatter, Jeanne?  Upset that Teri has found someone to admire? 
>> > 
>> > Nah, I just wish that Me Too and Odo would take their WP slap and tickle
>> > adventures elsewhere. I find it really interesting how, in some
>> > relationships, both people bring out the best in each other, while other
>> > relationships, they just feed on each others' stupidity and weaknesses. 
>> 
>> Too bad.  They're going to leave when you do.  
>> 
>> I seem to recall you saying something about being here to stay... is life
>> with Bobby REALLY so unexciting that you must come here for your jollies?
> 
> Our life is very comfortable, and you provide great entertainment at low,
> low prices. When I show your writings around at the university, everyone
> laughs at you. This newsgroup could serve as the recreational drug for
> anyone who doesn't want to drink or do other kinds of substances.

Jeanne, I care.  How many of the lurkers here do you think are lauging at
YOU?
  
(snip)

>> > When I write as an ignorant and vulgar redneck, it is by choice, Leshole.
>> 
>> Sure, Jeanne, sure.
> 
> I thought that all liberals are educated elitists, Les! Doncha just hate
> it when someone from a poor, redneck family gets educated and turns
> against you?

Education doesn't equal intelligence, Jeanne.  You're a perfect example of
that.

(snip)
 
>> > BTW, how can I possibly be vapid (Lacking liveliness, animation, or
>> > interest; dull) AND a floozie (A woman regarded as gaudy or tawdry)?
>> > C'mon, Les, how'd you manage to make such an ass of yourself this time?
>> 
>> You liberals are great at being two-faced.  I just call 'em as I see 'em.
> 
> Try looking in a dictionary Les, and you won't make such a damned fool of
> yourself. It wouldn't be quite so easy to make it up as you go along, but
> you wouldn't get laughed at quite so much either.

Ooh, yeah, Jeanne, I'm just getting laughed at SO OFTEN here!
 
Les

--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 04:57:21 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Lemme clear something up here...
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Aryan Crusader (cn247@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>>There's nothing BUT a low end to the liberal intelligence spectrum, Bill
>>Clinton notwithstanding.  The final position which ANY liberal argument
>>can be reduced to (if they've got the upper hand) is "do it my way or
>>there'll be hell to pay"; if they DON'T have the power to enforce their
>>crazy ideas, there'll be no end of snivelling from them.  Simple logic
>>tears their "ideas" to shreds.
> 
> Well, it's true that I've never heard a coherent argument from a liberal. 
> But most of the evil in this world is brought about by people who truly 
> mean well, and I figure the proposed liberal destruction of the White Race 
> is no exception.

Again, that's true, there are more well-intentioned but essentially stupid
liberals than there are actively malicious ones; however, it's the
malicious ones that are a danger.
 
>>Traitors are the worst offenders, to my way of thinking.  If they were
>>minorities, I could at least understand theire motivation to denigrate the
>>White race, but a shocking number of liberals are guilty whites, with a
>>masochistic streak a mile wide.
> 
> Traitors are one thing, but what we're dealing with here are merely 
> dissidents.  They hate the White race but they haven't done anything about 
> it, 'cept post articles indicating their self-hatred.

That'll be their defense, no doubt...
 
> Jeanne and Rob are powerless to harm the White race as a whole -- to the 
> best of my knowledge, neither even has a job.  The real traitors are the 
> ones in power.

It takes a lot of unimportant, spineless liberals like Rob n' Jeanne to
put their bretheren in power.

> The Constitution states that the penalty for treason is death, 
> and while I have a great respect for that document, I am wary of killing 
> liberals.  The Aryan tradition of freedom and individuality has given us 
> great people, but the price has been that we must tolerate the dissenters 
> and fools.

If so, it opens the subject of whether we're paying too great a price for
our (supposed) freedom and individuality.
 
> The anti-White agenda is driven by the mudrace lobby and its allies in the 
> Jew propaganda machine.  Obviously, these people have understandable 
> economic and political motives.  A fair number of White elites - Clinton, 
> for example - have reasonable motivations in allying themselves with the 
> non-Whites.  All of this is understandable.  The real fools are people who 
> advocate clearly anti-White policies, such as affirmative action, when 
> they have no way to benefit.  These people aren't traitors, they're just dumb.

Well, no argument THERE (about the dumb part, that is).  I disagree with
the assessment that many white liberals have nothing to gain by sticking it to
their race, though:  many of them are perverts who get a charge out of
seeing the noble White race surrender one hard-won privelige after another
to the non-White hordes.

Les



--
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Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 05:38:24 PDT 1995
Article: 1116 of alt.skinheads
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jenn the word-lawyer! (was: what I got out of Hippies........)
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Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> SWF (SWF@unc.edu) wrote:

(snip)
 
>> the major points:    
> 
>> It's ok to be prejudice, it's not ok to be racsist
> 
> Not really...
> 
> First of all, you can't *be* "prejudice".  You can be "prejudiced".

Yep, pick on her grammar.  Really bolsters your position.
 
> Secondly, no one said it was okay to be prejudiced.  What we said is
> that prejudice is a fact of life--as humans, we are incapable of being
> completely without prejudice of any sort.  However, it *is* a *tad*
> more acceptable to be biased against something that a person has
> *chosen* about himself, and that he has some power over, than to be
> racist--which is to be prejudiced against something over which the
> target has no power to change, and hasn't chosen in the first place.

Yes, yes, Jenn, we've read time and again your tedious "justifications"
for being prejudiced.

> Prejudice is never *okay*, but it is a fact of life...the least you 
> can do is give your "enemies" a fighting chance.  Otherwise, you're
> just a plain old coward.

Also sprache Jenn.

>> It's ok to judge people by: the way they smell
>>                             the way they dress
>>                             the way they feel towards you
>>                             their hairstyle
>>                             their cleanliness
>>                             the fact that they are (un) employed
>>                             their drug intake
>>                             their style in music
> 
> As I said, it's not "okay".  It's not even good.  It is, however, the
> lesser of two evils.  At least you're hating someone for something
> they control about themselves.  As I said above, to hate someone for
> something they did not choose and cannot change is to take the
> coward's path.

"At least I hate people for something ELSE than their race!"  Ooh,
original, Jenn.  You want a medal, or a chest to pin it on.

>> It's not ok to judge someone by the colour of their skin.
> 
> Absolutely not.

We DON'T judge people on the colour of their skins, just what goes along
with that.
 
(snip)

>> Wouldn't you like that Jenn and Richie??????? Then we'd be playing the 
>> game by your rules. Makes you feel real important huh?
> 
> Darling, unlike you WP types, I have better things to do with my life
> than try to make myself feel important.

This, from the person who logs on here at least 5 times a day...
 
> I reiterate--only a really weak person, such as yourself, would take
> words you loathe and put them in another person's mouth.  I'm sorry
> that you can't break down the arguments I've put forth, but in putting
> arguments in my mouth--in order to make your job easier--you look like
> more of a fool than you did to begin with.  If you can't take the
> heat, get out of the kitchen... It's really sad to see you degrade
> yourself to the point where you have to make up arguments *for* me, so
> as to defend your own points.  What's next--debating with yourself
> point blank?

No, the self-debating we leave to the offspring of ambulance-chasers like
yourself.
 
>> BTW the original point of the string had nothing to do with our views. We
>> have nothing to hide. It had to do with exposing the double standards you
>> set upon groups of you own choice.
> 
> I'm not quite sure what the phrase "groups of you own choice" is
> supposed to mean, or even what your point was there...you really ought
> to try and be a tad more coherent.  However, I have set no double
> standards upon anyone.  All prejudice is wrong--but some unavoidable;
> if you're going to be biased, though, at least base it on a somewhat
> realistic factor.
> 
>> This one is for the archives. Be prepared the next time you wanna preach 
>> equality!
> 
> Prepared for what?  For you to make up arguments and put my name to
> them again?
> 
> Don't join the debate if you can't handle your opponent.
> 
>>             signed:  Single White Female    ( that's for you Jim!)
> 
> There's nothing more crass than a woman who uses her own .sig to
> advertise that she needs a man.

Les


--
The Roman name in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing
more than a population.
		- Oswald Spengler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 05:38:25 PDT 1995
Article: 1117 of alt.skinheads
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: FUCK THE LOT OF YOUSE!!!!!
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Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> Sylvia Rowe (WA150@utm.edu) wrote:
>> Hey guys and gals! I'm back from my fun-filled summer vacation and
>> ready for another year of hell on earth (school). Last year though!
>> Woo-hoo!!!
> 
> Welcome back, Syl!! :)
> 
>> I trust everyone had a good summer. I sure as hell did. Drank many
> 
> Yeah, it's been pretty good...not the same here without you, though...
> 
>> beers, met the love of my life (actually, I've known him for seven
> 
> You too, huh?  Well, you've come back to alt.skinheads.couples *hell*.
> Reuben is engaged to Teri (don't know if you knew that before), and
> Richie and I are madly in love with each other...and we're all driving
> everyone else crazy! 

*sigh*

How typical:  you can't stand anyone ELSE getting attention, so you have
to remind us, yet again, that you and Richie-Feed-n-Seed are an "item". 

You still haven't told us what mommy and daddy think of your slumming.

Les


--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 05:38:30 PDT 1995
Article: 1157 of alt.skinheads
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Hi, Eric! (was: FUCK THE LOT OF YOUSE!!!!!)
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Eric Blace (ad792@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip)

> There is nothing typical about what Jenn said.  It is you that can't stand
> anyone else getting attention.  So fuck off you asshole.  Jenn was writing
> to Sylvia and letting her know some of the things
> s that are going on in alt.
> skinheads.  I'm sure if Syl wants to know anything that you have to say,
> she can read in it alt.Les.is.a.whining.geek.

Aw, gee, and here I thought we'd never have to hear from you again...

You're wasting your time, Eric.  Jenn has the hots for Richie-Feed-n-Seed,
and she's not about to hop into the sack with you just because you're
sticking up for her.  Rats, you'll have to try again...

Les


--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 23:28:40 PDT 1995
Article: 209 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Show Me A Negro Ruled Nation Thats Successful
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 (William_Mosco@vos.stratus.com) writes:
> In article <41go5s$704@newsbf02.news.aol.com> insider001@aol.com (Insider001) wrote:  
> 
>>Ah,..I see that there are unenlightened detractors.What I state is the 
>>truth and it is sometimes a hard pill to swallow.  Der Kettenhund 
> 
>  What you stated was pure ignorance. 

Something I've noticed...

Everyone jumps on Insider001 for saying that Blacks couldn't organize a
fart after a bean supper, but they never offer anything to counter the
facts in his claim, the "Ghana is good" B.S. included.  Let's see some
FACTS; TELL us EXACTLY how well these African countries are doing.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 23:28:41 PDT 1995
Article: 210 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Aryan Nations now online
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Insider001 (insider001@aol.com) wrote:
> : I knew there had to be a Negro in the midst.Powerful organizations are
> : forming alliances and "you" won't be able to crush anything.Except,maybe
> : the banana you hold in your hand while typing with the other.There are
> : "teenagers" playing with AOL and politics,but,with the proper "guidence
> : and education" they can contribute to the clean-up of America,and the
> : world.Example of goals;outlaw foul mouthed and violence promoting "Rap
> : Music".Every church and christian in America will agree to support
> : this,and trust me,they will be properly approached on this issue.  Der
> : Kettenhund
> 
> Well, Schweinhund, you still haven't learned how to refer to the person 
> you're responding to, so let's guess it's me. In that case:
> 
> 1) I'm not Black. I simply happen not to be a psychopathic racist.

No, you're just a psychopath, period.
 
> 2) You still haven't demonstrated how "rap" promotes violence (because, 
> as anyone reading your posts knows, you don't have clue #1 about hip-hop).

Somebody would have to be pretty stupid not to see a link between violent
lyrics and violence.  Then again, it IS you making the allegation.

> 3) Most "rap" is not foul-mouthed.

'Scuse me?  Come again?
 
> 4) The stuff that comes off your keyboard is infinitely more foul than 
> anything I've ever heard in hip-hop. and

You haven't listened to any hip-hop, obviously.
 
> 5) Please keep us updated on your little censorship-with-the-churches 
> campaign. (The Rev. Calvin Butts already beat you to it, by the way, and 
> he's at least someone people do something other than laugh at.) Your 
> delusions of importance give us a good chuckle.

Ditto for the delusions of importance, Krimby.  Just because people
sometimes take the time to respond to your pathetic little posts, don't go
thinking now that we actually CARE about what you, um, "think".

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 23:28:42 PDT 1995
Article: 214 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:

(snip)
 
> Give Les a gun, and watch him wave it menacingly. Ain't workin', Les. We
> all know you're shooting blanks.
> 
> Once again, you find it easier to offer snide remarks than to answer the
> question. I, for one, would love to hear your explanation for the
> "Northern Europeans" who, as you claim, built the pyramids and the Taj
> Mahal, and included Hannibal among their number.

Can't you dummies come up with anything better than the "Northern Europe
NOW is the same as Northern Europe of 2500 years ago!" argument?  It's
like explaining something to a retarded kid -- ten minutes later, you have
to explain it all over again.

Les

--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 23:28:43 PDT 1995
Article: 215 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Ghana?  BWAHAHAHA!!! (was: Show Me A Negro Ruled Nation Thats)
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 (William_Mosco@vos.stratus.com) writes:

(snip)
 
>  Ghana is very successful.  Ghana was the first country in Africa to 
>  get it's independence from the various European countries. 

What is the GNP of Ghana?  What's their main export?  How many
universities do they have?

Les



--
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 23:28:44 PDT 1995
Article: 234 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Adam on hip-hop (was: Aryan Nations now online)
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)
 
> : > 3) Most "rap" is not foul-mouthed.
> 
> : 'Scuse me?  Come again?
> :  
> Les, we've been around the hip-hop thing: remember, you fled when I 
> offered to prove you wrong that all rap sounds like Ice-T?

Nope, I don't remember any such occurence, probably because it only took
place in your feverish little mind.  As a favour to yourself, Adam, you
shouldn't post your fantasies for all to see - it reveals how out-of-touch
you really are.

> I've forgotten 
> more about hip-hop than you'll ever know, so unless you have some 
> Hiddenbrook studies on this one, my statement stands.

Sure, Adam, sure...
 
> : > 4) The stuff that comes off your keyboard is infinitely more foul than 
> : > anything I've ever heard in hip-hop. and
> 
> : You haven't listened to any hip-hop, obviously.
> :  
> I study hip-hop, Knowledge-Boy. I've given papers on hip-hop at 
> universities and international conferences; I'm giving an invited paper 
> on hip-hop next summer; I've taught a course on hip-hop; and I will 
> shortly be published on hip-hop. You want a debate on hip-hop? Stick to 
> your lame stereotypes about your superiors, Les; you're even farther over 
> your head here than you usually are.

Oh, gosh-golly-gee, an EXPERT on hip-hop!  Like, I'm just SO impressed! 
Gonna make a career out of promoting Black garbage, jew-boy?
> 
> : > 5) Please keep us updated on your little censorship-with-the-churches 
> : > campaign. (The Rev. Calvin Butts already beat you to it, by the way, and 
> : > he's at least someone people do something other than laugh at.) Your 
> : > delusions of importance give us a good chuckle.
> 
> : Ditto for the delusions of importance, Krimby.  Just because people
> : sometimes take the time to respond to your pathetic little posts, don't go
> : thinking now that we actually CARE about what you, um, "think".
> 
> I'm not the one threatening censorship. And I don't write for your sake, 
> or for the sake of thirteen-year-old AOL'ers like Insider001. I write for 
> the majority, the decent people who lurk in this group and love to see 
> third-raters like you go down in flames.

Never happen.
 
Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 23:30:00 PDT 1995
Article: 235 of alt.politics.white-power
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:

(snip)
 
> Give Les a gun, and watch him wave it menacingly. Ain't workin', Les. We
> all know you're shooting blanks.
> 
> Once again, you find it easier to offer snide remarks than to answer the
> question. I, for one, would love to hear your explanation for the
> "Northern Europeans" who, as you claim, built the pyramids and the Taj
> Mahal, and included Hannibal among their number.

Can't you dummies come up with anything better than the "Northern Europe
NOW is the same as Northern Europe of 2500 years ago!" argument?  It's
like explaining something to a retarded kid -- ten minutes later, you have
to explain it all over again.

Les

--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 11:16:24 PDT 1995
Article: 271 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Adam on hip-hop (was: Aryan Nations now online)
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > Les, we've been around the hip-hop thing: remember, you fled when I 
> : > offered to prove you wrong that all rap sounds like Ice-T?
> 
> : Nope, I don't remember any such occurence, probably because it only took
> : place in your feverish little mind.  As a favour to yourself, Adam, you
> : shouldn't post your fantasies for all to see - it reveals how out-of-touch
> : you really are.
> 
> Sorry, Les, but not everybody's memory is as poor as yours. On 
> alt.white-power, you claimed that all "rap" sounded like Ice-T. I offered 
> to tell the difference between him and any other rapper you choose, given 
> any two samples. You never responded. The offer still stands, though I 
> know you'll never take it, since your pronouncement was simply your usual 
> malicious attempt to smear and stereotype Blacks.

Well, here's your chance, Hip-Hop Boy.  In fact, I'll make it easier for
you:  all rap sounds like someone punched a large hole in the tweeter.

> : > I've forgotten 
> : > more about hip-hop than you'll ever know, so unless you have some 
> : > Hiddenbrook studies on this one, my statement stands.
> 
> : Sure, Adam, sure...
> :  
> Wanna try me out, Les? By the way, I didn't realize you paid any 
> attention to hip-hop; doing some race-traitoring in your spare time?

"Hip-hop"'s hard to avoid:  all the D-Js think it's the cat's ass. 
Probably explains my extensive radio-listening habits.

And before you go tenting your pants with the "well, if you haven't heard
ALL rap, how can you judge?", well, I don't have to go into EVERY cow
field in the world to know that it pays to watch where you step.
 
> : > : > 4) The stuff that comes off your keyboard is infinitely more foul than 
> : > : > anything I've ever heard in hip-hop. and
> : > 
> : > : You haven't listened to any hip-hop, obviously.
> : > :  
> : > I study hip-hop, Knowledge-Boy. I've given papers on hip-hop at 
> : > universities and international conferences; I'm giving an invited paper 
> : > on hip-hop next summer; I've taught a course on hip-hop; and I will 
> : > shortly be published on hip-hop. You want a debate on hip-hop? Stick to 
> : > your lame stereotypes about your superiors, Les; you're even farther over 
> : > your head here than you usually are.
> 
> : Oh, gosh-golly-gee, an EXPERT on hip-hop!  Like, I'm just SO impressed! 
> : Gonna make a career out of promoting Black garbage, jew-boy?
> : > 
> Already do, and I'll glad to see it upsets you. Now: do you want to 
> debate hip-hop? I'd love to.

What's to debate?  It's crap, pure and simple.
 
Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 11:16:25 PDT 1995
Article: 272 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: SURVIVAL OF FITTIST
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dannie hawkins (71726.3204@CompuServe.COM) writes:

(snip)

> ... Imagine *average* modern white children (if circumstances demanded)
> having to compete for food (or their lives) with ANY of the so-called
> primitive children. For that matter, even inner city children would leave
> then in their dust.

This reveals a piss-poor understanding of how survival of the fittest
operates.  AMONG OTHER THINGS, the ability to co-operate, as well as
maintain strong family ties, is one of the characteristics that is
routinely selected FOR in breeding.

Do you really believe that White parents would just abandon their children
as soon as they popped out of the womb?

> If a world-wide crisis came Now, famine etc., the majority of whites (young
> and old) in the more "sophisticated" areas would die. Chief Bigbrain will not
> save then.

Perhaps not, but "Chief Bigbrain" will sure give them an edge on survival.

(snip - diatribe about "Brainism" deleted)

Les



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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 11:20:32 PDT 1995
Article: 291 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lemme clear something up here...
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

>> Jeanne, Jeanne, Jeanne...
>> 
>> I suspect that the only reason you're nice to your family is that you
>> realize what a bunch of winners you've hitched up with, and you absolutely
>> refuse to admit that you've made a second mistake and stuck with it for
>> eighteen years.  Oh well, if coming here and blowing off a little steam
>> allows you to face yourself in the mirror one more day, I'll not deny you.
> 
> Your ignorance betrays you again, Leshole. If I made a mistake in choosing
> mates, it was in marrying the first time. Perhaps I might not appreciate
> what I have today if I hadn't gone through such a miserable first
> marriage. All of my family is extremely proud of me, and everyone loves
> Rob. We're really nice people -- except to people like you, Leshole.

"I did right!  I did!  I did!"
 
> As for looking myself in the mirror, I can do that quite comfortably *AND*
> sleep at night, too. My conscience is clear.
 
> [snip]
> 
>> > Our life is very comfortable, and you provide great entertainment at low,
>> > low prices. When I show your writings around at the university, everyone
>> > laughs at you. This newsgroup could serve as the recreational drug for
>> > anyone who doesn't want to drink or do other kinds of substances.
>> 
>> Jeanne, I care.  How many of the lurkers here do you think are lauging at
>> YOU?
> 
> I hope they all are, Les, because I intentially include humor in what I write.

More of the "I MEANT to do that!" shtick.  Jeanne, in retrospect you
realize how stupid you sound, so you're pulling this crap off that you
MEANT to be so obtuse.

(snip)
 
>> Education doesn't equal intelligence, Jeanne.  You're a perfect example of
>> that.
> 
> You are assuming that education equals textbooks and classroom lectures,
> aren't you? IMHO, life experience is just as valid.

Absolutely not.  However, my 3-year-old son has had more valid life
experience than you.


(snip)
 
>> Ooh, yeah, Jeanne, I'm just getting laughed at SO OFTEN here!
> 
> Another quote from the Great Griswoldo!

Can we assume that we'll see it soon in your sig.file, then?
  
Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 24 11:20:33 PDT 1995
Article: 292 of alt.politics.white-power
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Subject: Re: Lemme clear something up here...
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article <41illi$qkb@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, Aryan Crusader
>  wrote:

Moi: 
>> >It takes a lot of unimportant, spineless liberals like Rob n' Jeanne to
>> >put their bretheren in power.
> 
> Our brethren????? It's spineless liberals like me who post under their
> real names and would not sell out their beliefs just to save their skin
> (regardless of pigmentation). Like I said before, scribble me on your
> enemies' list and hand me a yellow star, pink triangle, or the universal
> "Mr. Yuck" insignia, because I will not jump over to your side under any
> circumstance.

Geez, I guess you deserve a MEDAL, then, being so gutsy as to post here
under your REAL NAME!!!
 
>> I know.  But still, they're only entitled to some millionth of a fraction of 
>> the responsibility for Bill Clinton's reign (if they voted for him or even 
>> voted).  The elections are decided by a couple dozen Jews in the media, who 
>> dump propaganda into the homes of these indigents.  Just as the government 
>> will not execute the mentally incompetent, I can hardly lay full blame the 
>> Kowaleski elders for the state of the nation.  Guilt requires intent +
>> action, and it is difficult to establish intent when dealing with these 
>> low-cranial-capacity types.
> 
> Rube, you're just not getting with the program. Les and his buddies will
> get tired of you playing "Mr. Logsdon's Neighborhood" pretty soon, and if
> their little fantasies should come true, you would be strung up with the
> rest of the liberals and undesirables for being a wimp. You'd better do
> some serious thinking about what you're doing and choose one side or the
> other.

Wow, Jeanne!  Thanks for setting me straight!  I thought I liked A.C., but
I guess I'll have to follow your dictates and "string (him) up".
  
>> >> The Constitution states that the penalty for treason is death, 
>> >> and while I have a great respect for that document, I am wary of killing 
>> >> liberals.  The Aryan tradition of freedom and individuality has given us 
>> >> great people, but the price has been that we must tolerate the dissenters 
>> >> and fools.
>> >
>> >If so, it opens the subject of whether we're paying too great a price for
>> >our (supposed) freedom and individuality.
>> 
>> This is the central issue of the white power plan; here's my thoughts so far:
> 
> C'mon, Rube -- you think this stuff up while you're sitting on the can,
> don't you? 

And this is different from liberal "philosophy" how, exactly?
 
Les


--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 14:38:03 PDT 1995
Article: 4636 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes: 
>>
>>Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
>> 
>>> So, Italians aren't white? How 'bout the French, are they white?
>>> Poles? Russians? Which of these groups are or aren't white?
>>> 
>>> Perhaps it will be easier if you just state which nations are
>>> white. Northern Europe.. Is this a hemispheric parallel thing,
>>> or can you just specify countries? What about the Finnish?
> 
>>> It's obvious to everyone who has more than half a brain that the
>>> reasons you don't want to spell out just who is or isn't white
>>> are the same reasons you don't want to talk about anything you
>>> really believe in on this forum (alt.discrimination): Even you
>>> realize how beyond the fringes of sanity and morality your
>>> political agenda is. You're downright ashamed to reveal your
>>> true goals and positions.
>>
>>Not at all.  I just see little (make that NO) benefit in dealing 
>>with the rambles of a true idiot like yourself.  When/if someone 
>>REAL asks me, I'm more than happy to explain.
> 
> COP OUT! By definition, anyone who asks you this question is an
> "idiot."

No, Lane, just perverted ideologues like you, who are so stupid and unable
to see the consequences of their own actions that they are truly surprised
that the person whom they insult shows no interest in responding.

> This ensures that you can continue to snipe at true humans
> from behind your wall of obtuseness and innuendo without ever 
> "spelling out" (as you so revealingly put it) your true beliefs and
> agenda. You're a complete coward.

Whatever.  I just hope you're honest enough not to include yourself as one
of the "true humans", who are obviously people who agree with you.

Les


--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 14:38:05 PDT 1995
Article: 4638 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Geez, you liberals are STUPID!
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Richard Marquez (gmarquez@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Bearscat (bcat@netcom.com) writes:
> : > Ok, I'll bite: Who were the northern Europeans of 2500 years ago,
> : > and how do they differ from today's Europeans?
> 
> : The Northern Europeans of 2500 years ago were WHITE, and didn't have
> : pockets of darkies in their midst, like Europeans of today, ie Europe THEN
> : wasn't a dumping ground for every sort of "refugee" from the former colonies.
> :  Do you understand yet?
> 
> OK, sounds simple enough.  So a person in 500 B.C. would easily know
> if he or she were white by your standards.

Exactly.

> They would ask "am I in Northern Europe?"  If they were, they were white. 
> (What was the demarcation line for "Northern" Europe?)

Ah, Richie, Richie, Richie...

You were doing so well up to this point.  Looks like the concept of time
is a little too much for you.  But, like a true mindless puppet liberal,
you've fallen into this trap of "Northern Europe NOW is the same as
Northern Europe ALWAYS WAS!"

> So how does someone of TODAY know if they're "white"?  How do you 
> or Hate, or Teri know you're "white"?

How do you know we're not?

Les


--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 23:11:31 PDT 1995
Article: 4683 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Raggedy's a pinhead too. (was: Lane the pin-head!)
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Can't you dummies come up with anything better than the "Northern Europe
>   :NOW is the same as Northern Europe of 2500 years ago!" argument?  It's
>   :like explaining something to a retarded kid -- ten minutes later, you have
>   :to explain it all over again.
> 
> So Northern Europe 2500 years ago stretched to the Persian Gulf and the
> Indian Ocean? And repetition is not the same thing as explanation.

No, but repitition is the only way I'll ever get ANYTHING to sink through
your lead-thick skull.  2500 years ago, Whites lived in a different area
than just Northern Europe.  NE, however, is where they settled.  In a few
centuries, Northern European ancestry will no longer be a determining
factor in one's genetic heritage.

Les

--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 23:17:57 PDT 1995
Article: 324 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Lane is an idiot
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Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes: 
>>
>>Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
>> 
>>> So, Italians aren't white? How 'bout the French, are they white?
>>> Poles? Russians? Which of these groups are or aren't white?
>>> 
>>> Perhaps it will be easier if you just state which nations are
>>> white. Northern Europe.. Is this a hemispheric parallel thing,
>>> or can you just specify countries? What about the Finnish?
> 
>>> It's obvious to everyone who has more than half a brain that the
>>> reasons you don't want to spell out just who is or isn't white
>>> are the same reasons you don't want to talk about anything you
>>> really believe in on this forum (alt.discrimination): Even you
>>> realize how beyond the fringes of sanity and morality your
>>> political agenda is. You're downright ashamed to reveal your
>>> true goals and positions.
>>
>>Not at all.  I just see little (make that NO) benefit in dealing 
>>with the rambles of a true idiot like yourself.  When/if someone 
>>REAL asks me, I'm more than happy to explain.
> 
> COP OUT! By definition, anyone who asks you this question is an
> "idiot."

No, Lane, just perverted ideologues like you, who are so stupid and unable
to see the consequences of their own actions that they are truly surprised
that the person whom they insult shows no interest in responding.

> This ensures that you can continue to snipe at true humans
> from behind your wall of obtuseness and innuendo without ever 
> "spelling out" (as you so revealingly put it) your true beliefs and
> agenda. You're a complete coward.

Whatever.  I just hope you're honest enough not to include yourself as one
of the "true humans", who are obviously people who agree with you.

Les


--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 23:17:58 PDT 1995
Article: 326 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Subject: Geez, you liberals are STUPID!
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Richard Marquez (gmarquez@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Bearscat (bcat@netcom.com) writes:
> : > Ok, I'll bite: Who were the northern Europeans of 2500 years ago,
> : > and how do they differ from today's Europeans?
> 
> : The Northern Europeans of 2500 years ago were WHITE, and didn't have
> : pockets of darkies in their midst, like Europeans of today, ie Europe THEN
> : wasn't a dumping ground for every sort of "refugee" from the former colonies.
> :  Do you understand yet?
> 
> OK, sounds simple enough.  So a person in 500 B.C. would easily know
> if he or she were white by your standards.

Exactly.

> They would ask "am I in Northern Europe?"  If they were, they were white. 
> (What was the demarcation line for "Northern" Europe?)

Ah, Richie, Richie, Richie...

You were doing so well up to this point.  Looks like the concept of time
is a little too much for you.  But, like a true mindless puppet liberal,
you've fallen into this trap of "Northern Europe NOW is the same as
Northern Europe ALWAYS WAS!"

> So how does someone of TODAY know if they're "white"?  How do you 
> or Hate, or Teri know you're "white"?

How do you know we're not?

Les


--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 23:17:59 PDT 1995
Article: 327 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Show Me A Negro Ruled Nation Thats Succes
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 (CODY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU) writes:

(snip)
 
> Okay... You seem to be basing your entire opinion of the black race on rap
> music. In your mind, since you hate rap music, blacks must be inferior. So,
> one person's opinion on rap music is what makes blacks inferior? Does that
> mean that if you suddenly liked rap music, blacks would suddenly become more
> intelligent?
> 
> Here is what you do not understand:
> 
> Blacks aren't the only ones who write rap music. Whites do too.
> 
> Do you hate *all* forms of black music? Are you aware that blues and jazz are
> primarily black music? Do you hate those, too?
> 
> And finally, WHY are you basing your ENTIRE opinion of a race on their music,
> which not all blacks like, and which many whites like? Look: I doubt that
> there are many people, black OR white, over 40 that LIKE rap music. And I'm
> sure that many young teenage blacks HATE rap music. So... What's your point?
> Did you just mention rap music for the hell of it?

What YOU do not understand, not having been around here for very long, or
else being impervious to anything you disagree with, is that blues and
jazz are touted as Black contributions to American culture, without which
we would all be far poorer (snort!).  Insider001 is simply pointing out
that if one is going to blather on about blues and jazz, which Blacks
could NEVER have created if we hadn't dragged them out of the jungle and
made them stop beating on hollow logs, one should also look at (c)rap,
which is also a largely Black phenomenon.  That many Whites have taken to
"writing"(sic!) rap-crap is not indicative that it is a "White" music form.

Les


--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 23:18:02 PDT 1995
Article: 375 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Can't you guys take a hint? (was: A Racist's Progress..item 1)
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 (CODY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) actually said:

(snip)

>>Some things can be borne.  Genocide against the White race is not one of
>>them.  The industrialized world could live forever without minorities.  It
>>couldn't last a day without Whites.
> 
> Les, in case you didn't know, in a worldwide view, whites ARE the minority.

Uh, I didn't say that genocide against Whites couldn't be borne if they
constituted a MINORITY.  Funny how you guys will grab at anything to twist
a White Nationalist's argument.

> Worldwide, there are many more asians than any other race. And in many Asian
> countries, they are getting along fine without help from whites!

Yes, many Asian countries are doing just fine without the insane
multi-racialism that we're allowing to be shoved down our throats.  Say
what you will about them, but at least they (the Orientals) aren't stupid
enough to buy THAT jewish clap-trap.
 
> And Les, somehow I doubt that the best way to fight this supposed genocide
> against the white race is genocide against all the other races.

When did I, or any other WS, preach genocide against other races?

Les


--
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Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 23:18:03 PDT 1995
Article: 376 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Raggedy's a pinhead too. (was: Lane the pin-head!)
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Can't you dummies come up with anything better than the "Northern Europe
>   :NOW is the same as Northern Europe of 2500 years ago!" argument?  It's
>   :like explaining something to a retarded kid -- ten minutes later, you have
>   :to explain it all over again.
> 
> So Northern Europe 2500 years ago stretched to the Persian Gulf and the
> Indian Ocean? And repetition is not the same thing as explanation.

No, but repitition is the only way I'll ever get ANYTHING to sink through
your lead-thick skull.  2500 years ago, Whites lived in a different area
than just Northern Europe.  NE, however, is where they settled.  In a few
centuries, Northern European ancestry will no longer be a determining
factor in one's genetic heritage.

Les

--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 23:18:04 PDT 1995
Article: 377 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Adam on hip-hop (was: Aryan Nations now online)
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Patrick Atoon (patricka@cs.kun.nl) writes:
> Less Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>>Adam Krims (akrims@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
>>> 
>>> Sorry, Les, but not everybody's memory is as poor as yours. On 
>>> alt.white-power, you claimed that all "rap" sounded like Ice-T. I offered 
>>> to tell the difference between him and any other rapper you choose, given 
>>> any two samples. You never responded. The offer still stands, though I 
>>> know you'll never take it, since your pronouncement was simply your usual 
>>> malicious attempt to smear and stereotype Blacks.
>>
>>Well, here's your chance, Hip-Hop Boy.  In fact, I'll make it easier for
>>you:  all rap sounds like someone punched a large hole in the tweeter.
> 
> ... meaning, Less? I'm sorry that you couldn't complete your basic
> reading lessons; Adam asked you to name any two samples. You don't,
> and instead twist your narrowminded argument by saying the same you
> said before, but in other words.

Because there's nothing more to be said about "hip-hop".
 
> But, since you became more specific; name two samples that sound like
> someone punched a hole in the tweeter, and I'm sure Adam will point
> out the difference between the two (proving you wrong along the way).

Sure.  Snoop-Doggy-Dogg, and Vanilla Ice.  I'll also clarify a little for
you pin-headed types who'll flutter and swoon over my comparison of their
"music" (sic!) to hardware damage:  they sound like SHIT.

(snip)

>>> : Oh, gosh-golly-gee, an EXPERT on hip-hop!  Like, I'm just SO impressed! 
>>> : Gonna make a career out of promoting Black garbage, jew-boy?
> 
> Oh gosh, golly gee, someone who cannot win an argument and starts
> to lay a smokescreen to cover his loss.

What's to argue?  Adam thinks "hip-hop" is a form of music, and I'm
telling him it's not.  Adam only likes (or pretends to) "hip-hop" because
it's a "great Black art form".  When he's forced to admit it's crap,
though, watch the "well, White guys write it too!" arguments appear.
 
Les


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Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 23:22:23 PDT 1995
Article: 351 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes: 
>>
>>Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
>> 
>>> So, Italians aren't white? How 'bout the French, are they white?
>>> Poles? Russians? Which of these groups are or aren't white?
>>> 
>>> Perhaps it will be easier if you just state which nations are
>>> white. Northern Europe.. Is this a hemispheric parallel thing,
>>> or can you just specify countries? What about the Finnish?
> 
>>> It's obvious to everyone who has more than half a brain that the
>>> reasons you don't want to spell out just who is or isn't white
>>> are the same reasons you don't want to talk about anything you
>>> really believe in on this forum (alt.discrimination): Even you
>>> realize how beyond the fringes of sanity and morality your
>>> political agenda is. You're downright ashamed to reveal your
>>> true goals and positions.
>>
>>Not at all.  I just see little (make that NO) benefit in dealing 
>>with the rambles of a true idiot like yourself.  When/if someone 
>>REAL asks me, I'm more than happy to explain.
> 
> COP OUT! By definition, anyone who asks you this question is an
> "idiot."

No, Lane, just perverted ideologues like you, who are so stupid and unable
to see the consequences of their own actions that they are truly surprised
that the person whom they insult shows no interest in responding.

> This ensures that you can continue to snipe at true humans
> from behind your wall of obtuseness and innuendo without ever 
> "spelling out" (as you so revealingly put it) your true beliefs and
> agenda. You're a complete coward.

Whatever.  I just hope you're honest enough not to include yourself as one
of the "true humans", who are obviously people who agree with you.

Les


--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 23:22:24 PDT 1995
Article: 353 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Geez, you liberals are STUPID!
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Richard Marquez (gmarquez@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Bearscat (bcat@netcom.com) writes:
> : > Ok, I'll bite: Who were the northern Europeans of 2500 years ago,
> : > and how do they differ from today's Europeans?
> 
> : The Northern Europeans of 2500 years ago were WHITE, and didn't have
> : pockets of darkies in their midst, like Europeans of today, ie Europe THEN
> : wasn't a dumping ground for every sort of "refugee" from the former colonies.
> :  Do you understand yet?
> 
> OK, sounds simple enough.  So a person in 500 B.C. would easily know
> if he or she were white by your standards.

Exactly.

> They would ask "am I in Northern Europe?"  If they were, they were white. 
> (What was the demarcation line for "Northern" Europe?)

Ah, Richie, Richie, Richie...

You were doing so well up to this point.  Looks like the concept of time
is a little too much for you.  But, like a true mindless puppet liberal,
you've fallen into this trap of "Northern Europe NOW is the same as
Northern Europe ALWAYS WAS!"

> So how does someone of TODAY know if they're "white"?  How do you 
> or Hate, or Teri know you're "white"?

How do you know we're not?

Les


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Freedom isn't free.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 23:22:25 PDT 1995
Article: 354 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lemme clear something up here...
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John Baglow (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
 
(snip)
 
>> Why don't you go back to jockeying your desk and selling out your race,
>> John?  Nobody wants you here.
> 	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Hey, folks, is this really true? :(  If so, I'll just mosey on over to
> alt.revisionism (sigh)....

Why don't you find out?
 
(snip)
 
>> Yet, like a true liberal, you go on denying the
> 		   ^^^^^^^^
>> truth if it doesn't agree with what you believe.
> 
> Hey, Les, fightin' words! "Liberal", indeed. Sheesh!

Yeah, but it sounded nicer than "lazy, unionized, come-in-late,
go-home-early, do-nothing-inbetween twit."  I've always alleged that
Sylvie is too nice to proven assholes.

Les

--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 23:22:26 PDT 1995
Article: 355 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Les whines some more
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Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes: 
> 
> [Singer]
>>>>> Perhaps it will be easier if you just state which nations are 
>>>>> white. Northern Europe.. Is this a hemispheric parallel thing, 
>>>>> or can you just specify countries? What about the Finnish? 
>>>> 
>>>>Lane, Lane, Lane... 
>>>> 
>>>>It's so enjoyable to have you here making an ass out of 
>>>>yourself.  It's almost too easy:  I just wind you up and set 
>>>>you off, like a good little robot.  
> 
>>James White (white@nyc.pipeline.com) rushes to his goilfriend's
defence, and writes: 
> 
>>> So why not answer her question dipshit?  All you do is evade, 
>>> you are tiresome with your evasions. 
>>
>>I did answer her question, Jacob.  Then Lane comes up with all 
>>sorts of nit-picky shit that I could have predicted she would.
> 
> Ohhhh, "nit-picky." Only to someone who's afraid to reveal his true
> position. We can all see why you won't answer these simple questions.
> Your fear of being specific is nearly as damaging to your racist
> cause as complete disclosure on your part would be.

Afraid?  Of what?  There's a National Alliance homepage, that anyone can
access, we're not hiding anything.

Les

--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 23:22:29 PDT 1995
Article: 397 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: I actually agree with Les( Was Re: This board...)
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Rob Carscadden (carscadd@pps.duke.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>... is suffering from an overload of liberals, and not nearly enough
>>serious White people.  Jeanne "I'm here because I wanta be!" Kowalewski,
>>Rob "Yes dear, whatever you say, dear!" Kowalewski, and evil Beavis seem
>>to about fill the liberal slate, with the occaisional incoherent ramble
>>from Adam "I'll call you (something)-Boy" Krim.  Is it just me, or is this
>>the formula for a boring ole time?
> 
> I actually agree with Les. I seriously want to know what makes racists 
> tick, how do they think, where they get their views from?
> 
> You WP people who are lurking, don't be afraid, post. So you'll get 
> flamed, it's only the internet, it doesn't hurt.  Are you afraid your 
> friends will find out about your racists views? They most likely already 
> know anyways? This isn't just a plea for fresh meat to flame, the people 
> here will not explain the basis for their beliefs, and I want some with 
> the balls to explain it. (that's just an expression if you female, i.e. 
> Jeanne has more balls than Les, in this case)

Glad you think so.  Hey, maybe you can be the nucleus for the "Jeanne
Kowalewski Fan Club"!

Les
 


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 23:22:30 PDT 1995
Article: 398 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
>> > In article <41illi$qkb@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, Aryan Crusader
>> >  wrote:
>> 
>> Moi: 
>> >> >It takes a lot of unimportant, spineless liberals like Rob n' Jeanne to
>> >> >put their bretheren in power.
>> > 
>> > Our brethren????? It's spineless liberals like me who post under their
>> > real names and would not sell out their beliefs just to save their skin
>> > (regardless of pigmentation). Like I said before, scribble me on your
>> > enemies' list and hand me a yellow star, pink triangle, or the universal
>> > "Mr. Yuck" insignia, because I will not jump over to your side under any
>> > circumstance.
>> 
>> Geez, I guess you deserve a MEDAL, then, being so gutsy as to post here
>> under your REAL NAME!!!
> 
> I knew that I could count on you to latch onto one small part of my
> statement and disregard the rest. 

Gee, and we all know that liberals NEVER do that!
  
(snip)

>> > Rube, you're just not getting with the program. Les and his buddies will
>> > get tired of you playing "Mr. Logsdon's Neighborhood" pretty soon, and if
>> > their little fantasies should come true, you would be strung up with the
>> > rest of the liberals and undesirables for being a wimp. You'd better do
>> > some serious thinking about what you're doing and choose one side or the
>> > other.
>> 
>> Wow, Jeanne!  Thanks for setting me straight!  I thought I liked A.C., but
>> I guess I'll have to follow your dictates and "string (him) up".
> 
> Tell us about _The Turner Diaries_ and Dr. Pierce's rules, Les.

That's the second time a leftist has mentioned _TTD_.  It seems to enjoy a
lot of circulation among the left.  Tell me, Jeanne, how many times have
you read it?  Have you high-lighted all the parts that gave you a
masochistic thrill?

(snip)
 
>> > C'mon, Rube -- you think this stuff up while you're sitting on the can,
>> > don't you? 
>> 
>> And this is different from liberal "philosophy" how, exactly?
> 
> Define "liberal" first.

Easy.  A liberal is anyone who revels in his/her ignorance.  You, for
instance.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 23:22:31 PDT 1995
Article: 401 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Can't you guys take a hint? (was: A Racist's Progress..item 1)
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 (CODY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) actually said:

(snip)

>>Some things can be borne.  Genocide against the White race is not one of
>>them.  The industrialized world could live forever without minorities.  It
>>couldn't last a day without Whites.
> 
> Les, in case you didn't know, in a worldwide view, whites ARE the minority.

Uh, I didn't say that genocide against Whites couldn't be borne if they
constituted a MINORITY.  Funny how you guys will grab at anything to twist
a White Nationalist's argument.

> Worldwide, there are many more asians than any other race. And in many Asian
> countries, they are getting along fine without help from whites!

Yes, many Asian countries are doing just fine without the insane
multi-racialism that we're allowing to be shoved down our throats.  Say
what you will about them, but at least they (the Orientals) aren't stupid
enough to buy THAT jewish clap-trap.
 
> And Les, somehow I doubt that the best way to fight this supposed genocide
> against the white race is genocide against all the other races.

When did I, or any other WS, preach genocide against other races?

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 23:22:32 PDT 1995
Article: 402 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lemme clear something up here...
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> John Baglow (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : > Why don't you go back to jockeying your desk and selling out your race,
> : > John?  Nobody wants you here.
> : 	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> : Hey, folks, is this really true? :(  If so, I'll just mosey on over to
> : alt.revisionism (sigh)....
> 
> Nope. Stick around, John. The people who don't want you here are the 
> people you humiliate here on a regular basis. Keep up the good work.

Puh-LEESE.  Can we can the Liberal Mutual Admiration Society?

Les

What's that stink?  Oh, it must be liberal ass burning up...


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 23:22:33 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Raggedy's a pinhead too. (was: Lane the pin-head!)
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Can't you dummies come up with anything better than the "Northern Europe
>   :NOW is the same as Northern Europe of 2500 years ago!" argument?  It's
>   :like explaining something to a retarded kid -- ten minutes later, you have
>   :to explain it all over again.
> 
> So Northern Europe 2500 years ago stretched to the Persian Gulf and the
> Indian Ocean? And repetition is not the same thing as explanation.

No, but repitition is the only way I'll ever get ANYTHING to sink through
your lead-thick skull.  2500 years ago, Whites lived in a different area
than just Northern Europe.  NE, however, is where they settled.  In a few
centuries, Northern European ancestry will no longer be a determining
factor in one's genetic heritage.

Les

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Freedom isn't free.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 25 23:22:33 PDT 1995
Article: 404 of alt.politics.white-power
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Aryan Crusader (cn247@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Jeanne Kowalewski) wrote:
>>
>>> I *really* like the .sig! :)
>>
>>Yeah, I'll bet you do. Read it again, because women aren't even included.
> 
> You can't resist trying to drive any little wedge you can, eh Jeanne?  It's 
> not going to work because we're so overwhelmingly united against *you* 
> and everything you stand for.

I hate to keep bringing this up (well, actually I don't), but Jeanne just
loves taking the opportunity to TRY to stir up trouble, so she can get
"Yeah!  Right on!" e-mail from her "friends".  Guess she just wants to
spread the happiness that she shares with Rob.

Les

--
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Free men aren't equal.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Aug 26 08:42:55 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Raggedy's a pinhead too. (was: Lane the pin-head!)
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :No, but repitition is the only way I'll ever get ANYTHING to sink through
>   :your lead-thick skull.
> 
> Repetition of the patently ludicrous does not make it credible. Learn
> that, and you will have come a long way.

It seems to be what you liberals believe.

>   :2500 years ago, Whites lived in a different area than just Northern Europe.  
>   :NE, however, is where they settled.
> 
> When? You place great stake in "wholly Northern European ancestry." As of
> what date? "Whites," by your definition, once ruled most of Eurasia. How
> far back would, say, an Italian have to trace his ancestry in order to
> establish his whiteness?

Northern Europe was White up until about the early 20th century, when a
truly astounding guilt-complex kicked in and made them (the Europeans)
import massive numbers of wogs from the non-White former colonies.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Aug 26 08:42:57 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Geez, you liberals are STUPID!
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Richard Marquez (gmarquez@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Richard Marquez (gmarquez@netcom.com) writes:

(snip)
 
> : > They would ask "am I in Northern Europe?"  If they were, they were white. 
> : > (What was the demarcation line for "Northern" Europe?)
> 
> : Ah, Richie, Richie, Richie...
> 
> : You were doing so well up to this point.  Looks like the concept of time
> : is a little too much for you.  But, like a true mindless puppet liberal,
> : you've fallen into this trap of "Northern Europe NOW is the same as
> : Northern Europe ALWAYS WAS!"
> 
> Ummm, no, I was asking "What WAS the demarcation line?"  I wasn't
> asking "What is NOW the demarcation line".
>
> If you were a person in Europe in 500 B.C., where in Europe would
> you have to be to be considered in "Northern Europe"?  The 'top
> half'?  North of a certain mountain range?  North of a certain
> river?  Where?

It's really amazing:  liberals display the greatest angst when asking
questions like this, almost as if they REALLY want to know, but strangely, it
seems they already know the answer, ie whatever a WP says is automatically
wrong.

Sorry, Richie, you won't catch me so easily.  The definition of Northern
Europe depends upon the geographer one asks; the definition of Northern
European depends upon the time frame.  Romans, for example, were Northern
European (or Indo-European.  Hi, Raggedy!), but only a pin-head (ie, a
liberal) would argue that Southern Italy is/was in "Northern Europe".

> : > So how does someone of TODAY know if they're "white"?  How do you 
> : > or Hate, or Teri know you're "white"?
> 
> : How do you know we're not?
> 
> Sorry, Les, I don't really care if you're 'white' or not.  YOU on the
> other hand seem to put great importance on your 'whiteness'.

And YOU seem to place great importance on throwing out smoke-clouds of the
"How do you KNOW you're White?" type.

> So I'm assuming that determining your 'whiteness factor' is of much more
> importance to you than it is to me.  All I'm interested in is what
> methods do you use to tell if someone is 'white'.

Well, wouldn't you like to know?

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Aug 26 08:42:58 PDT 1995
Article: 4747 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: For anyone who's interested...
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To find out what the National Alliance REALLY says, check out their
website at:

http://www.natvan.com

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Aug 26 08:42:59 PDT 1995
Article: 4748 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Can Chuckie really be THIS paranoid?
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Charles Freedberg (cfree@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes: 
> 
> 		Lester lies again: 
> 
> When did I, or any other WS, preach genocide against other races?
> 
> 			Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, and more recently  
>   your boss the famed Doc. Pierce who wrote the disgusting Turner      
>   Diaries.
 
Gee, from your sentence, one would think that you meant FIRST Hitle, then
Himmler, THEN Dr. Pierce each took a kick at the can to write _The Turner
Diaires_.
 
>   You have read them no doubt.
 
No doubt.  I've never denied having read them; but for someone who CLAIMS
to find them so "disgusting", you seem to be awfully conversant with them.
So tell me, Chuckie, how many times have YOU read them?
 
>   Why do you keep lying on the net?  The real program of the Nutzi Alliance 
>   is to kill all nonwhites the world over.
 
Lying about...?
 
No, the real program of the National Alliance is to PRESERVE the White
race, through whatever means are NECESSARY.  I really don't understand
what your obsession is with killing non-Whites.
 
>   And I'll keep asking you to fess up as long as your on the net.  
 
'Fess up to what?  As I've said before, the National Alliance has a
homepage that anyone can access.
 
> 	Btw, your boss, Pierce, writes:  "No part of this book, except   
>   brief excerpts for the purpose of review, may be published in any    
>   form without written permission from the publisher."  I think I will 
>   start an extensive review of the Diaries quoting a few sentences at a
>   time.  Your foolish boss already gave permission.  I can't wait to   
>   see you squirm over the quotes.
 
You'll be waiting a long time, Chuckie.
 
>   You are not bright enough to explain to all the netizens how those quotes 
>   don't mean what they say.  No doubt you will try.
 
Dr. Pierce is intelligent enough to say what he means, and mean what he
says.  He won't need ME to retroactively defend his words, the effect of
which he was fully aware when he wrote _The Turner Diaries_ in 1976.
 
Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Aug 26 08:42:59 PDT 1995
Article: 4749 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: DEBATING THE HOLOCAUST
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Bill Stuart (ah787@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Christopher Saunders (christopher.saunders@canrem.com) writes:
 
(snip)
 	
>> People like  Ernst  Zundel,  who  have  alternative  views on the
>> holocaust, are persecuted for their  beliefs.   People  like  Ken
>> McVay  who  support  the  Jew's  version  of  the  holocaust  are
>> supported,  promoted  and even funded.  Do we not live in a "free
>> speech" society?  If so,  then  the  rights  of people like Ernst
>> Zundel must be protected.
> 
> 	Ernest Zundel was busted for teaching his crap in high school. The
> "Jew version" is the historically accurate version. 

I can't believe that you really said that.  Zundel NEVER taught in school,
high or otherwise.  It's that sort of shrieky hysteria that causes people
to look askance at exterminationism.

'Fess up, Billy:  you're really a revisionist, and you're trying to
discredit the "holocaust"ers with your glaring howlers, right?  The
alternative is too scary to think about...

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Aug 26 09:10:22 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Dear Les...
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 (evil Beavis) writes:
> Hey Les, ever heard the slogan "Be like Mike (Beebe)"? Maybe 
> something for you to think about huh... Furthermore, I would 
> honestly like to know what you do for a living, besides running 
> your local paranoic militia movement that is. Idiocy of the 
> magnitude displayed by you really intrigue me, maybe I should've 
> tried pathological psychology instead...

What a truly pathetic attempt at trying to shed  your well-deserved kiddie
image.

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Aug 26 23:05:53 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: JWCCTI1 tells me how it's gonna be!
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JWCCTI1 (jwccti1@aol.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Leslie FUBAR boy) wrote:
> 
>> No, the real program of the National Alliance is to PRESERVE the White
>> race, through whatever means are NECESSARY.  I really don't understand
>> what your obsession is with killing non-Whites.
> 
> Two things, FUBAR boy:
> 
> (1) You don't have ANY say in what "race" inhabits the United States
> of America, and as a practical matter, I can tell you that you don't
> have any say in Canada either.

And you do...?
 
> (2) Biology and the social movements of people will determine what 
> becomes of your descendants.  You won't even be able to prevent
> your own offspring (assuming you've conned some dumb Valkyrie
> into being your sow) from propagating with whom he/she wants.
> You might as well tell the tides to stop, FUBAR.  

Sound pretty sure of yourself there, boy.  Know something that you'd like
to share with us?

(snip - pathetic flames deleted)

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 27 00:02:27 PDT 1995
Article: 475 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Adam the hip-hop guy
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)

(two "rap artists (sic!)" named to give Adam a chance to "prove" that
rap/hip-hop are real forms of music)
 
> : Sure.  Snoop-Doggy-Dogg, and Vanilla Ice.  I'll also clarify a little for
> : you pin-headed types who'll flutter and swoon over my comparison of their
> : "music" (sic!) to hardware damage:  they sound like SHIT.
> 
> I agree in the case of Vanilla Ice, and in the case of Snoop about 2/3 of 
> the time.

No, they sound like shit ALL the time.
 
> It's interesting that you happen to pick the two most public names (one 
> of whom hardly has a career any more). Of course, it goes to confirm what 
> everyone here suspects, anyway: you've never actually _listened_ to 
> hip-hop. It's enough for you that it's produced largely by young Black men.

Yes, and the fact that it sounds like shit goes a long way to insure that
I don't listen to more of it.

> Just out of curiosity, Les: what kind of music to _you_ listen to? 

Mostly classical.
 
(snip)
 
> : What's to argue?  Adam thinks "hip-hop" is a form of music, and I'm
> : telling him it's not.  
> 
> Newflash, folks: LES HAS DISCOVERED THAT HIP-HOP IS NOT MUSIC!

BWAHAHAHA!!!  They didn't need ME to tell them that "hip-hop" isn't really
music.
 
> OK, Les: back this one up with something other than more invective and 
> more comparisons to other things you don't like. Since this is one of 
> the more inane things you've come up with, this should be fun!
> 
> : Adam only likes (or pretends to) "hip-hop" because
> : it's a "great Black art form".  
> 
> And I said that where, exactly?
> 
> : When he's forced to admit it's crap,
> : though, watch the "well, White guys write it too!" arguments appear.
> 
> Les, even someone a great deal brighter than you could not force to to 
> "admit it's crap." I've forgotten more about music than you'll ever know, 
> and one thing you would learn if you actually got an education, is that 
> calling music "crap" is like calling it "yellow and glutinous": it's an 
> irrelevant category.

You've also, apparently, forgotten more about "hip-hop" than I ever will
(or ever will WANT to) know.:-)
 
> So Les: you still haven't told us _why_ hip-hop is "crap." We realize you 
> don't like it; but most people here don't like you, so does that make 
> _you_ "crap"? I'd honestly like to know how you came to this conclusion 
> that seem to have eluded scholars.

Taken a survey on my popularity?  It may come as a surprise, Adamski, but
I don't CARE what the "love-thy-nigger" types here think of me.  They've
already decided the issue, and they're not about to let facts and reality
stand in their way.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 27 09:21:13 PDT 1995
Article: 509 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Show Me A Negro Ruled Nation Thats Succes
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 (CODY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) says:

[snip]
 
>>What YOU do not understand, not having been around here for very long, or
>>else being impervious to anything you disagree with, is that blues and
>>jazz are touted as Black contributions to American culture, without which
>>we would all be far poorer (snort!).
> 
> I *do* understand that, which I thought was clear. What I *don't* understand
> is people basing their entire opinions of a race on their music.

We don't.  However, music is one of the positions that negrophiles
invariably retreat to when their other arguments prove to be untenable.
 
>>Insider001 is simply pointing out
>>that if one is going to blather on about blues and jazz, which Blacks
>>could NEVER have created if we hadn't dragged them out of the jungle and
>>made them stop beating on hollow logs,
> 
> By that logic, whites get the credit for anything blacks in America make
> or do.

As well they should.  It would be interesting to see what Blacks could
accomplish entirely on their own, without ANY help from the White man.

>>one should also look at (c)rap,
>>which is also a largely Black phenomenon.  That many Whites have taken to
>>"writing"(sic!) rap-crap is not indicative that it is a "White" music form.
> 
> Uh, in case you didn't know, not *all* rap music is bad. And also, I am
> willing to bet that there are tons of music written by whites that are much
> worse than anything written by blacks.

Such as...?
 
> What you have said amounts to this: "Jazz and blues are Good, but blacks
> would have never come up with them if we hadn't gotten them into slavery.
> Rap music is Bad, which is proof that blacks are inferior."

Allow me to clarify:  blues and jazz are so-so, but we sure as hell
wouldn't have choked to death without them.
 
> So, if something written by blacks is Good according to you, then whites
> get the credit. If something written by blacks is Bad according to you,
> it shows how "dumb" blacks are.

If something the Blacks do contribute to civilization, one should look at
WHY they created it, and what allowed them to create it.

> I look foward to your followup; I need a good laugh.

Here 'tis.  Laffyerassoff, boy.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 27 09:21:15 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Adam the hip-hop guy
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:

(snip)

> : > It's interesting that you happen to pick the two most public names (one 
> : > of whom hardly has a career any more). Of course, it goes to confirm what 
> : > everyone here suspects, anyway: you've never actually _listened_ to 
> : > hip-hop. It's enough for you that it's produced largely by young Black men.
> 
> : Yes, and the fact that it sounds like shit goes a long way to insure that
> : I don't listen to more of it.
> 
> There you go. You've switched positions, from pretending to know more 
> than I do on this subject, to flaunting your ignorance. At least here, 
> you're being honest.

The way you keep bragging about how much you "know" is very revealing. 
Sounds to me like you're trying to justify to yourself having spent
thousands of dollars on getting a degree in music, as a way of combatting
those niggling little doubts.

> : > Just out of curiosity, Les: what kind of music to _you_ listen to? 
> 
> : Mostly classical.
> :  
> Me too. Which composers and/or pieces?

Wagner, of course!:-)
 
(snip)

> : > Les, even someone a great deal brighter than you could not force to to 
> : > "admit it's crap." I've forgotten more about music than you'll ever know, 
> : > and one thing you would learn if you actually got an education, is that 
> : > calling music "crap" is like calling it "yellow and glutinous": it's an 
> : > irrelevant category.
> 
> : You've also, apparently, forgotten more about "hip-hop" than I ever will
> : (or ever will WANT to) know.:-)
> :  
> Correct.

Man, you must REALLY have some monstrous insecurities there about having
blown all that moola buying "hip-hop".

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 27 09:21:16 PDT 1995
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Subject: Liberal arrogance...
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(Gee, bet it comes as a real surprise that ANYONE would think liberals
arrogant, eh?)

I get a real kick out of the way liberals go on and on about how they're
gonna get a "lamppost".  I hate to bring a touch of reality to them, and
burst their bubbles, but lampposts are reserved for IMPORTANT people.  Do
you guys think we have an endless supply of lampposts and rope? 
Insignificant shits like the puffed-up libs we see here, by and large,
haven't EARNED a lamppost. (I know that the concept of "earning" is a
foreign one to most liberals, but there ya are.)

Les

--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 27 09:39:38 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lemme clear something up here...
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Sure, Les -- the "academic elitist" title didn't stick, so now you're
> nominating me for Ms. Obtusity of the Net. I'm flattered by your
> recognition of my true intellect and character. BTW, does this honor fit
> under the category of academic activity or community service? (I need to
> add this one to my other honors and awards.) Does the title come with a
> scholarship for me to go on and get a PhD?

You know, Jeanne, you sound like someone who's awfully insecure about
his/her education, the way you keep blatting about how many degrees you have.
 
> Les, if you'd pull that bucket off of your head, you might be able to
> recognize all of the humor that permeates this newsgroup. I know that you
> like to write things that you think will make us sick or angry enough to
> leave, but then you follow up with that ol' Les burst of flatuence (tm)
> that you try and blame on the liberals or the Jews.

I'm glad you think that you're humourous.  Most of us here just think that
you're pathetic.
 
Les
--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 27 09:39:40 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lemme clear something up here...
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Teri (nclearwntr@nclearwntr.seanet.com) writes:
> beebe@netcom.com (Mike Beebe) wrote:
> 
>>   I'm sure anyone who has ever watched "Beavis and Butthead" knows more
>>   about your personal life than they ever wanted to!
> 
> I try to stay away from the trash on TV. Maybe you should too.

Liberal projection:  THEY do it, so they think that EVERYONE does it.

(snip)
 
>>   Ever noticed Lead-Brained doens't have a job?

I wonder how the ole Beebster comes to that conclusion?

Les


--
Freedom isn't free.
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Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 27 09:39:41 PDT 1995
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)
 
>> I hate to keep bringing this up (well, actually I don't), but Jeanne just
>> loves taking the opportunity to TRY to stir up trouble, so she can get
>> "Yeah!  Right on!" e-mail from her "friends".  Guess she just wants to
>> spread the happiness that she shares with Rob.
> 
> Well, if WP women enjoy life as a trophy in early stages of marriage and
> as a doormat later on in life, it's totally their perrogative.

How would you have the slightest inkling what a White woman wants, anyway?

> I just wanted more out of a relationship than sitting home alone, getting the
> shit beat out of me, and being treated as inferior based on my gender. I
> went on and found a new life with my kids, as did my ex-husband. Now I'm
> still married with Rob, and my ex is stalking his second ex-wife. 

And it only took you how long, exactly, to find this out?

> Don't even mention happiness, Les. You don't have a clue about its meaning
> either.

I sure know that it's not to be found in pseudointellectual posturing, or
acting like a professional martyr.

Les 

--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Aug 27 14:32:33 PDT 1995
Article: 4928 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: A question for all you liberals...
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In the spirit of Ken McVay-ism, this question is a burning one that
requires an answer.  Unlike Kenny, though, I don't archive messages and
post super-long messages that no-one will read (note to Kenny:  if it's
more than 10 screens long, don't count on the climax being read by anyone).
The question is very simple:  how many of you have read _The Turner Diaries_?

Les

--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 28 07:34:39 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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John Baglow (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold's right hand (bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) types:
> 
>>>> Why don't you go back to jockeying your desk and selling out your race,
>>>> John?  Nobody wants you here.
>>> 	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> 
>>> [Baglow] Hey, folks, is this really true? :(  If so, I'll just mosey on
>>>over to alt.revisionism (sigh)....
>> 
>> I'm sure they don't want you there either, John.

> Well, so far I'm winning the vote on this newsgroup, Les.

If you consider the seal-like clappings of Adam Krims and Mike Beebe to
mean anything.

> Want to put out the challenge on alt.revisionism?

Just did.

(snip)
 
>> Hell, John, you could probably ask someone like Dan "are those
>> doughnuts free?" Dunlop (head of the Bias Crime Unit in Ottawa), Warren
>> "flying frisbees are actually bombs sent to get me" Kinsella or Mike
>> "Sylvie's reaching around the corner to get a shotgun to kill me"
>> Blanchefield from the Ottawa Citizen, and they could verify my existence.
> 
> Sure, Les. You're obviously trying to set me up here. I have no intention
> of bothering those good people...

Set you up for...?
 
(snip)
 
>> Hey John, if I ever want to hear from you again, I'll whistle you up like
>> I would any other mangy, flea-bitten cur.
> 
> I do appreciate the offer, Les. But I'm spoken for.

Trust a union-type to think of bestiality...

Les
 


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 28 07:34:40 PDT 1995
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DDivincenz (ddivincenz@aol.com) writes:
>>I would answer that question, but I am still waiting for you to answer<
>>Ken's questions.<
> 
>  It would appear that Steve cant have any thoughts until you do Les. You
> might want want to help him out here as he is mentally paralyzed until
> then.

No, Stevie can't have any thoughts, regardless of what I do.  He can just
knee-jerk respond.  Anyway, why would I want to help him out?  He'll just
go on about apple-seed ice-cream and leaping off tall buildings if we pay
any attention to him.

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 28 07:34:41 PDT 1995
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Bill Stuart (ah787@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> In the spirit of Ken McVay-ism, this question is a burning one that
>> requires an answer.  Unlike Kenny, though, I don't archive messages and
>> post super-long messages that no-one will read (note to Kenny:  if it's
>> more than 10 screens long, don't count on the climax being read by anyone).
>> The question is very simple:  how many of you have read _The Turner Diaries_?
> 
> 	I haven't, for a very simple reason. It's not avaliable.
>
> 	And before you go saying how the liberal media is not allwoing it
> to be sold, they are selling Mein Kampf, Rush limbaugh, and a whole bunch
> of really right wing stuff in mainstream bookstores.

Rush Limbaugh, right wing?  Get a grip.

> 	The best reason i can come up with as to why the turner diaries
> aren't carried in mainstream stores is because it's not a good book. 

No, that's your uninformed opinion.  _The Turner Diaries_ is a pretty good
book.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
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		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 28 08:20:33 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Adam the hip-hop guy
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : The way you keep bragging about how much you "know" is very revealing. 
> : Sounds to me like you're trying to justify to yourself having spent
> : thousands of dollars on getting a degree in music, as a way of combatting
> : those niggling little doubts.
> 
> (Actually, my degree was covered by a scholarship from the university -- 
> a private university with lots of money, Les, so don't start foaming 
> about tax dollars.) I brag about what I know in order to impress on 
> readers of this group (not you -- you're hopeless) that knowledge is 
> better than ignorance, especially when you're making pronouncements about 
> things.

In your case, "knowledge" is synonymous with lack of taste, as witness
your proselytizing about "hip-hop".
 
(snip - Adam wasting time asking me about something he supposedly knows so
much about, ie music).

> : > : > Les, even someone a great deal brighter than you could not force to to 
> : > : > "admit it's crap." I've forgotten more about music than you'll ever know, 
> : > : > and one thing you would learn if you actually got an education, is that 
> : > : > calling music "crap" is like calling it "yellow and glutinous": it's an 
> : > : > irrelevant category.
> : > 
> : > : You've also, apparently, forgotten more about "hip-hop" than I ever will
> : > : (or ever will WANT to) know.:-)
> : > :  
> : > Correct.
> 
> : Man, you must REALLY have some monstrous insecurities there about having
> : blown all that moola buying "hip-hop".
> 
> Actually, one of the advantages of living in a town like Edmonton is that 
> not too many people like hip-hop here, so it's easy to find CDs (used) 
> for $5.00 a pop.

That should tell you something, Adam Ant.  But, like a good little
liberal, you'll go on about how "majority" popularity means everything,
until it comes time to discuss "hip-hop", at which point majority
preferences mean nothing.
 
> At any rate, we're pretty far away from our original topic, which was 
> some pronouncements you made about hip-hop. You seem to have backed away 
> from them at this point, and boiled your argument down to "I hate it." 

I haven't backed away from anything.  "Hip-hop" still sounds like shit.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 28 08:23:03 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Luxemburg and the Shoah
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The Rock Pile BBS (rockpile@intac.com) writes:
> Chris Faatz (cfaatz@teleport.com) wrote:
> : Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : : I would look at it from another point, and one that is so obvious, that it
> : : begs to be addressed:  why not question WHY the revolutionary leadership
> : : was, by and large, jewish?

(snip)
  
>        Hello Les:
> 
>              Apparently anti-semitism is not dead!  It lives on like
>        a cancer for which their is no cure.
> 
>        I thought this lie of a "Jewish-Bolshevist" conspiracy had been
>        laid to rest in the 30's.  But like a weed it has to be pulled
>        up by its roots or it comes back.

I never mentioned the "lie" of the "Jewish-Bolshevist conspiracy"; I
merely made an observation of the facts based on what the leftists
THEMSELVES were saying.  Anti-semitism requires semites.
 
>        First, let me tell you a bit about myself.   I am a Republican,
>        Christian, of northern European descent.  I post on
>        alt.politics.socialism.trotsky because, even though I totally
>        disagree with communism, I find their conversation stimulating
>        and intelligent. 

Good for you.
 
>        The same cannot be said of fascists.  I find their conversation
>        infantile, boorish, and usually physically debilitating.
>        (That is to say:  I get sick after reading it.)

And "fascists", I'm sure, get sick after reading your "right or wrong,
it's my country" brand of "patriotism".
    
>        Go to any college, Les.  Notice that the philosophy of Lenin,
>        Marx, and company is still studied, even though opposed.
>        No one studies the philosophies of Hitler or Mussolini because
>        they produced none.    Lenin could write (though I disagree with 
>        him).   Hitler's Mein Kampf is mindless rambling.  I am told
>        that American translations clean it up and that it is worse
>        in German.

And this proves what, exactly?
 
>        This is something I have known for years, ever since I was
>        in college.   Communists were worthy opponents. Fascists 
>        were like mindless, rabid lunatics.

I'm glad that you imagine that we have the luxury of picking and choosing
our opponents.

>        Now to lay to rest your lie:

What lie?  As I said earlier, for people who aren't quite swift enough to
pick up on it, I was merely making an observation based on the facts that
the leftists themselves were putting forward.  Asking why so many
revolutionaries were jews is not the same as jew-baiting.


(snip)
       
>       Thirdly:  Why not ask this question?:
> 
>                 Why were all the great tyrants of this century
>                 Gentiles?
> 
>                 Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, etc.
> 
>                 Not a Jew in the lot.

Actually, the "Hitler was a jew named Shickelgruber!" still makes the
occaisional appearance, and yet it never seems to raise one-one hundredth
of the ire of people like you.

(snip)
 
Les


--
Freedom isn't free.
Free men aren't equal.
Equal men aren't free.


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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
 
(snip)
  
>> > Well, if WP women enjoy life as a trophy in early stages of marriage and
>> > as a doormat later on in life, it's totally their perrogative.
>> 
>> How would you have the slightest inkling what a White woman wants, anyway?
> 
> Evidently, a white womans wants whatever her husband says she wants.

Then I guess you're not a White woman, by your own definition.  Tell me,
what complexion of woman wants a pussy-whipped wuss for a hubby?
 
>> > I just wanted more out of a relationship than sitting home alone,
>> > getting the shit beat out of me, and being treated as inferior based
>> > on my gender. I went on and found a new life with my kids, as did my
>> > ex-husband. Now I'm still married with Rob, and my ex is stalking his
>> > second ex-wife. 
>> 
>> And it only took you how long, exactly, to find this out?
> 
> The first marriage lasted two years, but two years as a racist's wife is plenty.
> 
>> > Don't even mention happiness, Les. You don't have a clue about its meaning
>> > either.
>> 
>> I sure know that it's not to be found in pseudointellectual posturing, or
> 
> Well, you'd better stop making up so many "facts" then, hadn't you? 
> 
>> acting like a professional martyr.
> 
> You referred to me as a cardboard cutout a few days ago. BTW, Les -- the
> term you're fumbling for is survivor, not martyr. If I was a martyr, I'd
> still be married to what's-his-name and typing things that you would love
> to read. Of course, I'd probably be doing it with a black eye and broken
> arm, too.

No, Jeanne, being a survivor means having gotten over it.  You still cart
it around as some sort of trophy which you throw up whenever someone
accuses you of not knowing what you're talking about.  Martyr it is.

Les




--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


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McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) writes:
>> ... is suffering from an overload of liberals, and not nearly enough
>> serious White people.  Jeanne "I'm here because I wanta be!" Kowalewski,
>> Rob "Yes dear, whatever you say, dear!" Kowalewski, and evil Beavis seem
>> to about fill the liberal slate, with the occaisional incoherent ramble
>> from Adam "I'll call you (something)-Boy" Krim.  Is it just me, or is this
>> the formula for a boring ole time?
>> 
> The problem is that we forget why the liberals are here in the first
> place.  They view us as a threat because they think we might be right. 
> This is obvious because of their style and quantity of posts.  When was
> the last time a liberal showed any research connected with their posts? 
> Take for example their responses on this thread, all of them without
> exception are not thought out.  They provide weak arguments at best, with
> the hope that if they can bore enough readers then they will succeed with
> the "lurkers."  They realize that we might be right, and therefore are
> trying to stop these ideas from spreading.  If we were no threat then why
> do they bother replying?  They could afford to ignore us, yet they can't. 
> If our message gets out to the masses then their ideals on life will be
> shattered.  Fortunately for us they have people like Jeff Han, Mike Beebe,
> Jeanne Kowalewski and so forth who couldn't formulate a decent argument if
> they tried.  They haven't produced one decent argument to date, therefore
> they are never going too.
> 
> So take comfort that the liberals by posting in large numbers are really
> showing signs of desperation.  It seems everytime we get a new white power
> poster we get at least three more new liberals posting.  The liberals are
> desperate, no doubt they'll try to justify their position, or respond
> without properly preparing an counterargument.  You see, the liberals are
> frightened, here we are posting that their precepts on life are wrong and
> they are afraid, they literally don't know how to behave or succeed in the
> future that is coming.  Instead of getting on with life and preparing for
> it, they are trying to slow it down.  It should be obvious to them that
> society is getting more polarised, that the right wing movement is gaining
> momentum, but instead of facing reality (which so far the've been
> sheltered from) they want their favoured lifestyle to continue.  They are
> stricken with fear.  They wish to remain ignorant on life.

That's true.  They sure seem to have an investment in proving us wrong. 
In fact, shouting down the opposition, or drowning them out with long,
boring messages (hi, Kenny!) seems to be their only weapon.

Get with the program, guys.  If you stick with this obsolete weapon,
you'll not survive.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 28 08:23:07 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lemme clear something up here...
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> 
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
>> 
>> (snip)
>> 
>> > Sure, Les -- the "academic elitist" title didn't stick, so now you're
>> > nominating me for Ms. Obtusity of the Net. I'm flattered by your
>> > recognition of my true intellect and character. BTW, does this honor fit
>> > under the category of academic activity or community service? (I need to
>> > add this one to my other honors and awards.) Does the title come with a
>> > scholarship for me to go on and get a PhD?
>> 
>> You know, Jeanne, you sound like someone who's awfully insecure about
>> his/her education, the way you keep blatting about how many degrees you have.
> 
> No, Les -- when I've mentioned my background, including honors and awards
> for academic excellence and community service, I have done so for a very
> specific purpose.

Sure - self-aggrandizement.

> You insinuate that "liberals" are elitist academians,
> who have no idea of how working class people live, or guilt-riddled,
> self-hating race-traitors. You are wrong about how you've tried to
> categorize me and every other "liberal, joo, or mudperson" that you've
> performed your little NA polka for in these newsgroups.

So which are you, Jeanne?

I don't insinuate it, I come right out and say it.  Only an addle-pated
twit like you, Jeanne, could overlook plain statements.

(snip)

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 28 08:23:07 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A question for all you liberals...
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 (evil Beavis) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  
>>  In the spirit of Ken McVay-ism, this question is a burning one that
>>  requires an answer.  Unlike Kenny, though, I don't archive messages and
>>  post super-long messages that no-one will read (note to Kenny:  if it's
>>  more than 10 screens long, don't count on the climax being read by anyone).
>>  The question is very simple:  how many of you have read _The Turner Diaries_?
>>  
> What exactly are they? I have heard of them but never read them. Where can you 
> get a hold of them, if you don't mind me asking dear Les?

Not at all, kind sir...

"They" (_The Turner Diaries_) are/is a novel, written in 1976 and
appearing first in serial form in _National Vanguard_ magazine.  The
serialization is now available in book form (as any liberal will
breathlessly tell you).  All inquiries should be addressed to:

National Vanguard Books
P.O. Box 330
Hillsboro, WV
24946  U.S.A.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 28 19:41:54 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Another question.
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Rob Carscadden (carscadd@pps.duke.edu) writes:
> I'm almost afraid to ask, but here goes.

Why?  Is finding out that your bigotry is/was wrong that painful?
 
(snip)
 
> Other WP women, what's the scoop?
> 
> WP men, are women's rights good for the race?

Not the "right" to be just like men (ie, exactly the same).  In a healthy,
WHITE society, women wouldn't have to "demand" their rights, because they
wouldn't feel they were being denied. 

I know Jeanne K. isn't WP, but why am I certain that she'll pipe up here?

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 29 08:11:54 PDT 1995
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Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:
>  - bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA 
> (Les Griswold) writes:
> :>
> :>Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes::>
> :>Northern Europe was White up until about the early 20th century, when a
> :>truly astounding guilt-complex kicked in and made them (the Europeans)
> :>import massive numbers of wogs from the non-White former colonies.
> 
> Total and absolute historically inaccurate rubbish.  Your lack of learning is 
> astounding.

I see.  So, how am I wrong?  Are there not more darkies now in Northern
Europe than there ever were?  Has not immigration of darkies into NE been
massively upped since WWII?  I'm dying of curiousity to know how Northern
Europe has always been a nig-nog heaven.

Les



--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
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		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 29 08:11:56 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A question for all you liberals...
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Bill Stuart (ah787@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>>> 	And before you go saying how the liberal media is not allwoing it
>>> to be sold, they are selling Mein Kampf, Rush limbaugh, and a whole bunch
>>> of really right wing stuff in mainstream bookstores.
>> 
>> Rush Limbaugh, right wing?  Get a grip.
> 
> 	Um...exactly what do you think he is? 
> 	Mein Kampf is for sale in mainstream stores.
> 
>>> 	The best reason i can come up with as to why the turner diaries
>>> aren't carried in mainstream stores is because it's not a good book. 
>> 
>> No, that's your uninformed opinion.  _The Turner Diaries_ is a pretty good
>> book.
> 
> 	Not according to newsweek and all the other publications that
> reviewed it after the oklahoma city bombing.
> 	Where can you get this book? 

Glad you asked!  Of course, it's banned in Canada, but other literature
CAN be obtained from:

National Vanguard Books
P.O. Box 330
Hillsboro, WV
24946  U.S.A.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
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		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 29 09:01:29 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Adam the hip-hop guy
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : In your case, "knowledge" is synonymous with lack of taste, as witness
> : your proselytizing about "hip-hop".
> 
> But of course, the only argument you've mustered against hip-hop is, "I 
> don't like it." Meanwhile, you've been blown away on every factual point.

WHAT factual points?  I said it sounds like shit - subjective, yes, but
totally factual.

(snip)

> : > : Man, you must REALLY have some monstrous insecurities there about having
> : > : blown all that moola buying "hip-hop".
> : > 
> : > Actually, one of the advantages of living in a town like Edmonton is that 
> : > not too many people like hip-hop here, so it's easy to find CDs (used) 
> : > for $5.00 a pop.
> 
> : That should tell you something, Adam Ant.  But, like a good little
> : liberal, you'll go on about how "majority" popularity means everything,
> : until it comes time to discuss "hip-hop", at which point majority
> : preferences mean nothing.
> 
> It's always amusing when you refer to me as "liberal," Les. Actually, I'm 
> beginning to like it. 
> 
> As usual, Les, your reading skills are lacking. The passage you quoted 
> makes clear that I ascribe this advantage to living _in Edmonton_, one of 
> the saddest hip-hop cities I've seen. Look at the stats for hip-hop sales 
> in North America and the world, sometime (or, better yet, have someone 
> else read them to you, since you just made clear you have trouble reading 
> simple sentences). By the way, if majority preferences are significant, 
> then Wagner sucks rope: sales of his music are dwarfed by that of several 
> _individual_ hip-hop artists, let alone hip-hop overall.

Good for the "hip-hop".  In a few years, "hip-hop" will be regarded as the
Black abberation that it is.
   
> : > At any rate, we're pretty far away from our original topic, which was 
> : > some pronouncements you made about hip-hop. You seem to have backed away 
> : > from them at this point, and boiled your argument down to "I hate it." 
> 
> : I haven't backed away from anything.  "Hip-hop" still sounds like shit.
> 
> You have backed away from trying to show that there is any objective 
> quality to this judgment. You have only reiterated, again and again, "It 
> sounds like shit," meaning only: "I don't like it."

And your point is...?

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 29 09:02:57 PDT 1995
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Subject: Jamaica, mon!
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Rob Carscadden (carscadd@pps.duke.edu) writes:

(snip)

> By the Way, Pluto, my Jamician friend, wants me ask Les,
> "Isn't Canada a third world Country?"

Then why do they all keep coming here?

Les
 


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
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		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 29 09:02:58 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: This board...
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
  
(snip)
   
Jeannie: 
>> > Evidently, a white womans wants whatever her husband says she wants.
>> 
>> Then I guess you're not a White woman, by your own definition.  Tell me,
>> what complexion of woman wants a pussy-whipped wuss for a hubby?
> 
> I don't know anyone with a husband who matches that description. Perhaps
> you could check out alt.sex.bondage.personals to verify the pigmentation
> of submissive males. You may even find some advertisements for leather
> bustiers at low, low prices to wear on your evenings out with the boys,
> Leshole.

Jeanne, you should READ what I say before you go off on your crusade to
rid the world of Nazis.  I asked what complexion of WOMAN wants a
pussy-whipped wuss for a husband, not about the complexion of the husbands
themselves.
 
Moi: 
>> >> acting like a professional martyr.

Jeannie: 
>> > You referred to me as a cardboard cutout a few days ago. BTW, Les -- the
>> > term you're fumbling for is survivor, not martyr. If I was a martyr, I'd
>> > still be married to what's-his-name and typing things that you would love
>> > to read. Of course, I'd probably be doing it with a black eye and broken
>> > arm, too.

Moi: 
>> No, Jeanne, being a survivor means having gotten over it.  You still cart
>> it around as some sort of trophy which you throw up whenever someone
>> accuses you of not knowing what you're talking about.  Martyr it is.
> 
> Nah, Les, it's called life experience, and that's pretty hard for you to
> refute. Instead, you choose to refer to my husband as "whipped" and to me
> as a battleaxe or a martyr. You're just blowing more brown smoke, and it's
> really starting to stink.  Better call in Sylvie to clean that up,
> Leshole.

You're losing it, Jeannie.  "Life experience" doesn't mean you trot it out
all the time to "show" that you somehow "qualify" to talk about "racists",
because you were so blind as to marry an asshole.  Most people put stuff
like that behind them.  But, I guess it's different in the liberal world.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 29 09:02:59 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Lemme clear something up here...
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B. A. Mylite (bamlink@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
>>Les Griswold's right hand (bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) types: 
>> 
>> Why don't you go back to jockeying your desk and selling out your race, 
>> John?  Nobody wants you here. 	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>  
> Wrong, Less. I want him here. BTW, John is standing up for his race. You're
> the one who's an embarrassment to white people. 

Standing up for his race?  How, exactly?  John, you might be interested to
know, is some big poo-bah in PSAC (Public Service Alliance of Canada), of
which 40,000 members just inked a deal with the Separatists in Quebec.  He
also wants to retard progress, thinking that automation has a 100% failure
rate, and only humans can save lives.

How's the lighthouses, John?

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


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John Baglow (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip)

Sylvie:  
>> But seriously, John.  That's a tired, old, liberal tactic.  You ask for
>> proof, I offer you an unimpeachable source (hell, these people probably
>> don't like me, so they have no reason to lie for me), and you say you
>> don't want to bother them.  I think that you just don't want to bother
>> with the truth.
>  
>  Look, Les, I have no intention of asking these "unimpeachable sources" to
>  testify to the existence of a "Sylvie Charbonneau." You know very well how
>  unreliable eyewitness accounts can be. Furthermore, I find it suspect that
>  you dismiss everything these people have to say unless it is something
>  which you happen to agree with.

When have I ever dismissed anything said by Dan Dunlop, Warren Kinsella,
or Mike Blanchefield?

BTW, I notice that your message was posted at 10:04.  Have you been
abusing government equipment?  When you SHOULD be working hard (hah!) for
the people who pay your salary, ie us, you're verbally fencing on
alt.politics.white-power.  What would Daryl think of that?

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 29 18:51:42 PDT 1995
Article: 845 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Another question.
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Rob Carscadden (carscadd@pps.duke.edu) writes:

(snip)

> The question is would should they have the right to vote,

Only if you believe in the sanctity of "democracy".

> to own property,

They already do, and neither I nor any other White Separatist wants to
deprive them of that.

> to be free from abuse,

Women currently have the RIGHT to be free from abuse, but I don't see how
the "abuse" angle can be used to justify stealing jobs, and otherwise
damaging society.

> to have a job, etc.?

Depends on what you mean by that.  Do we want women to have the "right" to
do ANYTHING that a man does?

> Remember White Men denied these rights to women for a long time. 

And White men are the ones who GRANTED them the rights to do these things.
 If men hadn't WANTED to give them these rights, there isn't a bloody
thing they could have done to get them.  Why don't you see this for what
it is - White men are the most modernistic, humane people on the face of
the planet.
 
> I know, I know, other ethnic groups have too, and some still do! That's 
> not the issue. 

No, you just want to pick on Whitey some more.
 
> Rube has stated that he believes women have these rights with the 
> condition that these don't get carrieed away. As for as much shit as Teri 
> recieves (I'm as guilty, if not guiltier than others for flaming her) we 
> must also believe that she's going to be independent.

Independent, yes.  However, not a shrill, whiny, neurotic feminist bitch. 
There's a difference between a woman with a strong personality, and a
willful woman.  The former is desirable.  The latter is not.

> My fellow Carolinians have stated some bizarre ideas about women and 
> breeding! I'll discount their thoughts, but what are the views from the 
> great North State (errr country) of Canada?

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 30 06:47:50 PDT 1995
Article: 5276 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Geez, sure are a lot of liberal pinheads here...
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Bearscat (bcat@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > :>Northern Europe was White up until about the early 20th century, when a
> : > :>truly astounding guilt-complex kicked in and made them (the Europeans)
> : > :>import massive numbers of wogs from the non-White former colonies.
> : > 
> : Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:
> : > Total and absolute historically inaccurate rubbish.  Your lack of learning is 
> : > astounding.
> 
> : I see.  So, how am I wrong?  Are there not more darkies now in Northern
> : Europe than there ever were?  Has not immigration of darkies into NE been
> : massively upped since WWII?  I'm dying of curiousity to know how Northern
> : Europe has always been a nig-nog heaven.
> 
> As the man said -- your lack of learning is astounding.

So educate me, o Wise One.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 30 07:11:58 PDT 1995
Article: 888 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: This board...
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) wrote:
   
(snip)
    
> I don't want to be classified as a White woman if that puts me in your
> ranks.

So then why do you always hold forth like an "expert"?

> My husband has had the confidence and decency to allow me to find
> my place instead of putting me in my place. That probably does fit the
> definition of "whipped" for you.

No, it fits the definition of "divorce recipe" for me.  And don't start
with this "we've been hitched 16 years", either:  I've known couples that
had celebrated their 22nd anniversary, but shortly thereafter got
separated because the woman needed to "find" herself.
 
(snip)
 
> Tell me, Les -- what complexion of MAN has to have his wife come in and
> run interference and clean up his messes after he makes an absolute
> JACKASS out of himself on UseNet?

Wouldn't know, as it's never happened to me, and I've never seen it.  I've
just seen you do it with "Rob".

Moi: 
>> You're losing it, Jeannie.  "Life experience" doesn't mean you trot it out
>> all the time to "show" that you somehow "qualify" to talk about "racists",
>> because you were so blind as to marry an asshole. 
> 
> Excuse me, Les, but the "asshole" (my ex-husband) that I married was an
> abusive racist. You're right though -- I was blind when I married him.
> When he told me that he'd bought me the day he married me and would do
> anything to me that he damn-well wanted LESS THAN ONE WEEK after our
> wedding, I suddenly found out what the life of a racist's wife was like.
> When I left, I did not go back, nor did I marry another ignorant, insecure
> bigot.

Jeannie, Jeannie, Jeannie...
 
> Any woman who believes that a man who dehumanizes populations based on
> race, religion, etc. will treat her with respect and as an equal thoughout
> their marriage is really fooling herself. That is the only reason that I
> brought up my personal life.

No, you did it to be like Kaa Byington, who brought up the fact that she
was a hybrid to make racists seem like gynophobes - you're bringing up
your personal history so it'll make us look like we're abusing the poor
little lib'ral woman.  Face it, Jeannie, you're a pathetic sniveller.

>> Most people put stuff
>> like that behind them.  But, I guess it's different in the liberal world.
> 
> Well, I seem to remember a certain Sylvie who wrote about becoming a
> racist after working at the "Y" and seeing some people whizzing in
> elevators. She changed her entire political philosophy based on a job that
> she held for a few months. She didn't "put stuff like that behind [her]"
> and get over it. Can you spell sanctimonious, Leshole?

Can you spell "I wanna be just like Sylvie now!", Jeannie?  The truth
revealed!

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 30 11:52:40 PDT 1995
Article: 773 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 100 facts about whites and blacks.
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Marc Remijn (marrem@venlo01.xs4all.nl) writes:

(snip) 
 
> May I remind the poster of this article, that is dealing with different 
> 'stock' of people of what stock the US population consists:
> 
> The WEAKEST from Africa. 
> 
> The WEAKEST from Europe.
> 
> The ofspring of the smarter and stronger Africans is still living in Africa. 
> The offspring of the smarter and stronger Europeans is still living in 
> Europe. It's the misfits, the outcasts, the weaklings the ones who couldn't 
> make it here in Europe that sailed to America. 

Actually, the argument is that the Americans (and Canadians) are
genetically STRONGER than the Europeans, because of the harsh winnowing
process that took place in the unsettled forests, the Indian raids, etc. 
Only the fittest of the Europeans survived.

The same sort of argument holds for Blacks:  the weaker ones died in the
ships' holds coming over here.  Only the strongest survived.

(snip)
 
> Next of the article full of racist garbage: So that is what is in the books 
> that are in any American public library. Well I'm happy to live in the 
> civilised world.

"Racist!"  "Racism!"  Can't you guys do anything else than sling those
useless terms around?

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 30 11:53:01 PDT 1995
Article: 922 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 100 facts about whites and blacks.
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Marc Remijn (marrem@venlo01.xs4all.nl) writes:

(snip) 
 
> May I remind the poster of this article, that is dealing with different 
> 'stock' of people of what stock the US population consists:
> 
> The WEAKEST from Africa. 
> 
> The WEAKEST from Europe.
> 
> The ofspring of the smarter and stronger Africans is still living in Africa. 
> The offspring of the smarter and stronger Europeans is still living in 
> Europe. It's the misfits, the outcasts, the weaklings the ones who couldn't 
> make it here in Europe that sailed to America. 

Actually, the argument is that the Americans (and Canadians) are
genetically STRONGER than the Europeans, because of the harsh winnowing
process that took place in the unsettled forests, the Indian raids, etc. 
Only the fittest of the Europeans survived.

The same sort of argument holds for Blacks:  the weaker ones died in the
ships' holds coming over here.  Only the strongest survived.

(snip)
 
> Next of the article full of racist garbage: So that is what is in the books 
> that are in any American public library. Well I'm happy to live in the 
> civilised world.

"Racist!"  "Racism!"  Can't you guys do anything else than sling those
useless terms around?

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 30 18:47:10 PDT 1995
Article: 5357 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: The ONLY liberal big gun... (was: For anyone who's interested...)
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Jeanne "Spelling Bee" Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> To find out what the National Alliance REALLY says, check out their
>> website at:
>> 
>> http://www.natvan.com
> 
> Yeah, Les -- I checked it out. Can't your little polka gang afford a
> spellchecker? It's probably one of those nazi "I MEANT TO DO THAT" tactics
> to appeal to the illiterate types, eh? Great planning,
> Leshole!

Geez, self-fulfilling prophecy, or what?

Is the SPELLING the ONLY thing that someone of your intellectual stature
(snicker) can attack?  Nothing to say about the ideas?  Are they perhaps
too coherent for you to attack?

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 31 09:44:51 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

Moi: 
>> >> To find out what the National Alliance REALLY says, check out their
>> >> website at:
>> >> 
>> >> http://www.natvan.com

Jeannie: 
>> > Yeah, Les -- I checked it out. Can't your little polka gang afford a
>> > spellchecker? It's probably one of those nazi "I MEANT TO DO THAT" tactics
>> > to appeal to the illiterate types, eh? Great planning,
>> > Leshole!
>> 
>> Geez, self-fulfilling prophecy, or what?
>> 
>> Is the SPELLING the ONLY thing that someone of your intellectual stature
>> (snicker) can attack?  Nothing to say about the ideas?  Are they perhaps
>> too coherent for you to attack?
> 
> Ya see, Leshole, it's one thing to have a few typos in a
> quickie online typing of a rant or flame, but a document on the WWW should
> be proofread more thoroughly. Most of your polka group's ideas have been
> posted in these newsgroups -- either disguised as an original thought from
> you and your imaginary friends or entire articles when you just can't
> muster another brainfart yourself.
>
> Believe it or not, Leshole, a lot of people do care about
> spelling and the design of a document. Not taking the time to proofread
> your web pages gives the impression that you are either ignorant or
> sloppy. This doesn't speak well of your organization, and is inexcusable
> for a group that fancies itself capable of forming and running its own
> country. Flame away if you want, doofus, but I've actually offered you
> some good advice.

You must have some INCREDIBLE life if you can scan web pages for SPELLING
ERRORS, Jeannie.  Tell me, where can I become a major-league winner like
you?

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 31 09:44:53 PDT 1995
Article: 5446 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Les is a pin-worm
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McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) writes:
>> : > :>Northern Europe was White up until about the early 20th century, when a
>> : > :>truly astounding guilt-complex kicked in and made them (the Europeans)
>> : > :>import massive numbers of wogs from the non-White former colonies.
>> : > 
>> : Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:
>> : > Total and absolute historically inaccurate rubbish.  Your lack of
> learning is 
>> : > astounding.

Moi: 
>> : I see.  So, how am I wrong?  Are there not more darkies now in Northern
>> : Europe than there ever were?  Has not immigration of darkies into NE been
>> : massively upped since WWII?  I'm dying of curiousity to know how Northern
>> : Europe has always been a nig-nog heaven.
>> 
Bearscat:
>> As the man said -- your lack of learning is astounding.
> 
> Or perhaps it is yours, please state your reasons why there were dark
> races in Northern Europe before the 20th Century.  Queen Elizabeth I (not
> II) for example, expelled all the negroes and moors out of the country in
> her reign.  Therefore we must see some counter evidence from either Gord
> McFee or you, bearcat to support such allegations.  So far, you are
> lacking.
> 
> Cailean.

Come on, McKinstry, asking a liberal to back up his/her/its touchy-feely,
feel-good assertions with FACTS is like getting teeth from a hen.  It's
just not gonna happen.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
 
(snip)
  
> : The Constitution states that "treason against the United States, shall consist 
> : only in levying War against them, or, in adhering to their Enemies, giving 
> : them Aid and Comfort."  That's the definition I had in mind.
 
> OK, but this is vague. There is no declared war against the U.S. at the 
> moment, nor any declared (martial) enemies. Therefore, you must have an 
> idea of some other kind of "war" going on and some other kind of "enemy." 
> What I am asking, therefore, is: what is going on _now_ for which the 
> charge of treason is applicable, and who could be charged with it?
 
Re-read your argument, Peacenik-Boy.  You said that there is no DECLARED
war against the UNITED STATES.  However, what you liberals dismiss as
a"crime wave", we see as an UNdeclared war against the WHITE RACE.
 
Les
--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 31 09:44:55 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A question for all you liberals...
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Donald Moffitt (donald05@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
> On Aug 27, 1995 20:57:17 in article ,
> 'bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)' wrote: 
>  
>>In the spirit of Ken McVay-ism, this question is a burning one that 
>>requires an answer.  Unlike Kenny, though, I don't archive messages and 
>>post super-long messages that no-one will read (note to Kenny:  if it's 
>>more than 10 screens long, don't count on the climax being read by
> anyone). 
>>The question is very simple:  how many of you have read _The Turner
> Diaries_? 
>> 
> As many as have seen photos of your tall, blond, blue-eyed Nordic Adolf
> Hitler, I expect :>)   What other crackpot shit have you been reading
> lately, and when did you learn to read, anyway, you Nazipunk assyhole? 

Nice evasion, Donnie n' Marie.  But the question stands:  how many of the
critics of _TTD_, and those who link it to the OKC bombing, have actually
READ it?  Quite a few less than have actually condemned it as the "Bible of
the right-wing", I'll bet.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 31 11:08:51 PDT 1995
Article: 875 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Quotes from old, concerning arms.
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:

(snip)

> For those of you who aren't much brighter than Caliban, I'll clue you in. 
> Statements about society are rarely relevant to the same degree and in 
> the same respect, sometimes not relevant at all, after 200 years. The 
> "man's nature never changes" boneheads love to quote people from 200 
> years ago, since they're generally the most recent respected thinkers who 
> ever agreed with them.

So how do you explain Harry Katz' quotes from the Talmud?
 
Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 31 11:26:07 PDT 1995
Article: 1037 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 100 facts about whites and blacks.
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pereira (pereira@iwawi.bv.tu-berlin.de) writes:
>>In article , mbirch@fau.com says...
>>
>>Whites & Blacks 100 FACTS (and one Lie)
>>   By Roger Roots
> 
>>FACT #96: In 1930, about 33% of the world was White. Today,
>>the U.N. estimates that only about 9.5% of the world´s 
>>population is Caucasian. This percentage is falling rapidly...
> 
> 	... and the rest of the mankind is awaiting with VERY
> 	BIG IMPATIENCE that this percentage reaches the mark
> 	"ZERO PERCENT" (0.0%)!!!

And you know this for a fact?
 
> 	Do you see BARD gay? You and your people have NO 
> 	future! The men are becoming all gay, the women 
> 	lesbians...

Actually, contrary to your sweeping (and wrong) generalizations, it is
mostly non-White men and women who turn to homosexuality.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 31 11:26:08 PDT 1995
Article: 1041 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: PRIDE vs. HATE
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Aryan Crusader (cn247@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> gmarquez@netcom.com (Richard Marquez) wrote:

(snip)

> Well, "fear" isn't the best word.  I got a report the other day that one out of 
> every six Blacks in New Jersey had been arrested within the past year  (the 
> figure is one out of twenty-four for Whites).  Concern for one's safety 
> based on facts is intelligence, not fear.

Could you explain that rather difficult concept to Slimy Lizard?  Seems he
automatically assumes that not liking Blacks is synonymous with being
shit-in-your-pants afraid of them.

Don't feel bad if you don't succeed, though.  He's pretty resistant to reason.

Les
--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 31 11:26:09 PDT 1995
Article: 1042 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: PRIDE vs. HATE
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J. E. Cowen (janellco@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:


(snip)
> The  rhetoric of White-Power _ followers_  always reveals white supremacist 
> racism as the common thread. Each WP individual (a contradiction in terms) may
> have different leanings as to which race or ethnic group is the most hated,
> at any given moment.   The _White-Power Hate Hit Squad_

Paranoia at its best.  There have been just so MANY non-Whites killed
recently by White-Power Hate Hit Squads.

> just fills in the
> blanks with whatever racial/ethnic group  
> is being targeted in their posts.  WP ideas? A shelled nut always reveals
> the nut and the empty shell.    

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 31 11:26:10 PDT 1995
Article: 1044 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Les is a pin-worm
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McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) writes:
>> : > :>Northern Europe was White up until about the early 20th century, when a
>> : > :>truly astounding guilt-complex kicked in and made them (the Europeans)
>> : > :>import massive numbers of wogs from the non-White former colonies.
>> : > 
>> : Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:
>> : > Total and absolute historically inaccurate rubbish.  Your lack of
>> : > learning is astounding.
>> 
Moi:
>> : I see.  So, how am I wrong?  Are there not more darkies now in Northern
>> : Europe than there ever were?  Has not immigration of darkies into NE been
>> : massively upped since WWII?  I'm dying of curiousity to know how Northern
>> : Europe has always been a nig-nog heaven.

Bearscat:
>> As the man said -- your lack of learning is astounding.
> 
> Or perhaps it is yours, please state your reasons why there were dark
> races in Northern Europe before the 20th Century.  Queen Elizabeth I (not
> II) for example, expelled all the negroes and moors out of the country in
> her reign.  Therefore we must see some counter evidence from either Gord
> McFee or you, bearcat to support such allegations.  So far, you are
> lacking.
> 
> Cailean.

Come on, McKinstry, asking a liberal to back up his/her/its touchy-feely,
feel-good arguments with FACTS is like getting teeth from a hen.  It's
just not happening.

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 31 11:26:11 PDT 1995
Article: 1046 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: PRIDE vs. HATE
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:

(snip)
 
> : The Constitution states that "treason against the United States, shall consist 
> : only in levying War against them, or, in adhering to their Enemies, giving 
> : them Aid and Comfort."  That's the definition I had in mind.
> 
> OK, but this is vague. There is no declared war against the U.S. at the 
> moment, nor any declared (martial) enemies. Therefore, you must have an 
> idea of some other kind of "war" going on and some other kind of "enemy." 
> What I am asking, therefore, is: what is going on _now_ for which the 
> charge of treason is applicable, and who could be charged with it?

Re-read your argument, Peacenik-Boy.  You said that there is no DECLARED
war against the UNITED STATES.  However, what you liberals dismiss as
a"crime wave", we see as an UNdeclared war against the WHITE RACE.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 31 11:26:12 PDT 1995
Article: 1049 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A question for all you liberals...
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RUSH LIMBAUGH (NotProvidedBecauseOfFlames@SorryGuys.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> YOU>>In the spirit of Ken McVay-ism, this question is a burning one that
> YOU>>requires an answer.  Unlike Kenny, though, I don't archive messages and
> YOU>>post super-long messages that no-one will read (note to Kenny:  if it's
> YOU>>more than 10 screens long, don't count on the climax being read by anyone).
> YOU>>The question is very simple:  how many of you have read _The Turner Diaries_?
> 
> Isn't that a "FICTION" book? Why would I want/need to read a fiction?
> Would you read "WAR AND PEACE", and base your life on its contents?
> well?

Yes, indeeedy, it's a "fiction book".  However, lib'rals are wetting
themselves drawing conclusions that it, and it alone, contributed to the
OKC bombing.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


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Article: 1053 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Quotes from old, concerning arms.
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:

(snip)

> For those of you who aren't much brighter than Caliban, I'll clue you in. 
> Statements about society are rarely relevant to the same degree and in 
> the same respect, sometimes not relevant at all, after 200 years. The 
> "man's nature never changes" boneheads love to quote people from 200 
> years ago, since they're generally the most recent respected thinkers who 
> ever agreed with them.

So how do you explain Harry Katz' quotes from the Talmud?
 
Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 100 facts about whites and blacks.
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pereira (pereira@iwawi.bv.tu-berlin.de) writes:
>>In article , mbirch@fau.com says...
>>
>>Whites & Blacks 100 FACTS (and one Lie)
>>   By Roger Roots
> 
>>FACT #96: In 1930, about 33% of the world was White. Today,
>>the U.N. estimates that only about 9.5% of the world´s 
>>population is Caucasian. This percentage is falling rapidly...
> 
> 	... and the rest of the mankind is awaiting with VERY
> 	BIG IMPATIENCE that this percentage reaches the mark
> 	"ZERO PERCENT" (0.0%)!!!

And you know this for a fact?
 
> 	Do you see BARD gay? You and your people have NO 
> 	future! The men are becoming all gay, the women 
> 	lesbians...

Actually, contrary to your sweeping (and wrong) generalizations, it is
mostly non-White men and women who turn to homosexuality.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 31 23:55:28 PDT 1995
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

>> > Ya see, Leshole, it's one thing to have a few typos in a
>> > quickie online typing of a rant or flame,

I notice you left yourself a convenient out, there.

>> > but a document on the WWW should
>> > be proofread more thoroughly. Most of your polka group's ideas have been
>> > posted in these newsgroups -- either disguised as an original thought from
>> > you and your imaginary friends or entire articles when you just can't
>> > muster another brainfart yourself.
>> >
>> > Believe it or not, Leshole, a lot of people do care about
>> > spelling and the design of a document. Not taking the time to proofread
>> > your web pages gives the impression that you are either ignorant or
>> > sloppy. This doesn't speak well of your organization, and is inexcusable
>> > for a group that fancies itself capable of forming and running its own
>> > country. Flame away if you want, doofus, but I've actually offered you
>> > some good advice.
>> 
>> You must have some INCREDIBLE life if you can scan web pages for SPELLING
>> ERRORS, Jeannie.  Tell me, where can I become a major-league winner like
>> you?
> 
> Les, I spot typos without scanning for them. I am student and have to be
> conscientious of spelling. I also design and produce html documents for
> the university. Furthermore, I was the editor of a newsletter for a
> nonprofit organization for five years. I wish that I could casually read
> anything without studying and/or proofreading, but those typos keep
> popping up everywhere.

Yeah, yeah, sure.  Tell us MORE about your "real life", why don't you?
 
Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler

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