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From: George Graves 
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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> In <30E55EC4.1188@aimnet.com>, gmgraves@aimnet.com said:
> 
> >
> >Yeah, Les, interesting word anti-semite. Jews will lump themselves
> >together with Arabs gladly when it is a question of discrimination against
> >them. I don't use the word for that very reason. When I want to say that
> >I'm anti-Jew, I mean anti-Jew, not anti Arabs and Jews.
> 
> Boy, that's comforting.  Just a good ol' boy, right George?
> 
> >But now that any organized threat against them is gone, and now that they
> >are pretty much in control, the Jewish doctors are telling goyishe parents
> >NOT to circumcise their male babies. Now, only Jew boys will be
> >circumcised and they can wear it as a badge proudly once more.
> 
> You are beyond help.
> 
> --
> Gord McFee

Well, if you mean by that last statement that I am beyond the help of the
likes of you, I'll have to heartily agree. But then, who would want the 
help of a bunch of race-traitors and Jew-dupes?

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <30E55EC4.1188@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Ever notice how Jews like to hide when the going gets tough and then,
> > when times are good for 'em they want to stand proud of the rabble?
> > I'll give you an example. All during the thirties, when Germany
> > threatened to spread Nazi-ism all over Europe and America, Jewish
> > doctors started pushing circumcision for all males. If you were born
> > in a hospital in the U.S.A. after about 1934, you were circumcised.
> > Throughout the 40's, 50's, 60's 70's and 80's when a bunch of guys
> > were showering in the locker room, or in the barracks, you couldn't
> > tell the Jew-boy from the goy-boy - they were hiding.
> > But now that any organized threat against them is gone, and now
> > that they are pretty much in control, the Jewish doctors are telling
> > goyishe parents NOT to circumcise their male babies. Now, only Jew
> > boys will be circumcised and they can wear it as a badge proudly once
> > more.
> 
> I challenged Graves to provide his evidence for his assertion that "Jewish
> doctors started pushing circumcision for all males". His reply, sent via
> email, was:
> 
> > When I was a student, if you saw a guy who was uncircumcised, it was
> > because he was born at home, and he was the exception. Don't need any
> > proof, that was the way it was!
> 
> I believe this speaks for itself, so far as the reliability of Graves'
> claims are concerned. "Don't need any proof, that was the way it was!" is
> simply a variant of "It's true because I say so".
> 
> JGB

You are an idiot, and a dishonest one at that. I knew that you were going
to do this, I just wanted to watch and see which of my E-mail statements
you would take out of context so that you could prove your nefarious point.
You have no honor, you have no personal integrity, and you are in fact,
exactly what I thought you were: a stupid jew-brainwashed bigot who
would do or say anything to hold on to your little fairyland of 
hyperequality, and most of all win points against the evil racists you
encounter here. 
You know Brown, I come here because I enjoy a good debate. There are 
some people on this NG who provide it. You are not one of them. Your 
posts are wearisome, and as the buzzing of flys in my ears. 

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Mon Jan  1 09:17:23 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Dead Jews and Power
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <30E5C873.3960@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > I just found out something about diamonds of which I was unaware. They
> > aren't really either very rare or very valuable. Rubbies are 50 times
> > rarer than diamonds and blue sapphires are a thousand times rarer! Lapis
> > Lazuli might be the rarest of all being found only in Chile and Afghanistan.
> > The reason why diamonds are the most expensive gemstones is because the
> > diamond industry (headed by the aforementioned Oppenheimer family) has a
> > virtual monopoly on the world's supply, and keeps them off the market to
> > keep prices artificially high. I understand that DeBeers has warehouses
> > filled with enough diamonds to last the world a thousand years, even if
> > not another diamond were ever taken from the earth. This is ONE Jewish
> > conspiracy that they don't even try to hide. Its very well known, its just
> > that no one can do anything about it except play (and pay) along.
> 
> I will not bother asking Graves for evidence of his assertions, as he has
> made it quite clear that he has no interest in providing any. I will
> simply note that we have here yet another example of the unsupported
> claims made and believed by bigots like Graves to justify their hatred of
> Jews.
> 
> JGB
> 
This is common knowledge, asshole. I did not know that diamonds were
really so plentiful, I just found that out (in a new Clive Cussler novel
as a matter of fact). I also did not understand the differences in rarity
of the other mentioned stones. But the part about DeBeers having a 
virtual monoploly on the diamond industry is certainly no secret, in
fact, the Encyclopedia Britannica explains it very well. The fact that
DeBeers controls supply and therefore prices is also well documented
there. This is why DeBeers is refered to as THE DIAMOND CARTEL, you
pedantic fool. And EVERYBODY (except possibly yourself) knows that
the Oppenheimer family has controlled DeBeers ever since they bought
it from Cecil Rhodes late in the last century. BTW, Shit-for-brains, 
DeBeers gets its name from the Boer farmer who sold his farm to 
Rhodes, and upon which, Rhodes started his first African diamond
mine. Opppenheimer kept the name DeBeers so that he could stay
in the background outta sight and pull strings. This is what JOOs
Like to do. (and this is an opinion, not an assertion - Jerk)
You know, if I spent the time to document everything I said on this
NG like this, You'd get a pretty good education, Brown. Something
that you seem to lack, because you don't seem to know anything.
Now that I have supplied my "sources", what the fuck are you going
to do with them? I'll tell you what your going to do, NOTHING. You
won't go to the Britannica and check up on me, neither will you
go find a copy of the novel I mentioned. Because you are just an idiot
who thinks that asking for references is clever. It isn't

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Mon Jan  1 09:17:24 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> In <30E55EC4.1188@aimnet.com>, gmgraves@aimnet.com said:
> 
> >
> >Yeah, Les, interesting word anti-semite. Jews will lump themselves
> >together with Arabs gladly when it is a question of discrimination against
> >them. I don't use the word for that very reason. When I want to say that
> >I'm anti-Jew, I mean anti-Jew, not anti Arabs and Jews.
> 
> Boy, that's comforting.  Just a good ol' boy, right George?
> 
> >But now that any organized threat against them is gone, and now that they
> >are pretty much in control, the Jewish doctors are telling goyishe parents
> >NOT to circumcise their male babies. Now, only Jew boys will be
> >circumcised and they can wear it as a badge proudly once more.
> 
> You are beyond help.
> 
> --
> Gord McFee

Well, if you mean by that last statement that I am beyond the help of the
likes of you, I'll have to heartily agree. But then, who would want the 
help of a bunch of race-traitors and Jew-dupes?

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: Bigots at odds (was: ANOTHER whopper for you exterminationists)
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <30E55EC4.1188@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Ever notice how Jews like to hide when the going gets tough and then,
> > when times are good for 'em they want to stand proud of the rabble?
> > I'll give you an example. All during the thirties, when Germany
> > threatened to spread Nazi-ism all over Europe and America, Jewish
> > doctors started pushing circumcision for all males. If you were born
> > in a hospital in the U.S.A. after about 1934, you were circumcised.
> > Throughout the 40's, 50's, 60's 70's and 80's when a bunch of guys
> > were showering in the locker room, or in the barracks, you couldn't
> > tell the Jew-boy from the goy-boy - they were hiding.
> > But now that any organized threat against them is gone, and now
> > that they are pretty much in control, the Jewish doctors are telling
> > goyishe parents NOT to circumcise their male babies. Now, only Jew
> > boys will be circumcised and they can wear it as a badge proudly once
> > more.
> 
> I challenged Graves to provide his evidence for his assertion that "Jewish
> doctors started pushing circumcision for all males". His reply, sent via
> email, was:
> 
> > When I was a student, if you saw a guy who was uncircumcised, it was
> > because he was born at home, and he was the exception. Don't need any
> > proof, that was the way it was!
> 
> I believe this speaks for itself, so far as the reliability of Graves'
> claims are concerned. "Don't need any proof, that was the way it was!" is
> simply a variant of "It's true because I say so".
> 
> JGB

You are an idiot, and a dishonest one at that. I knew that you were going
to do this, I just wanted to watch and see which of my E-mail statements
you would take out of context so that you could prove your nefarious point.
You have no honor, you have no personal integrity, and you are in fact,
exactly what I thought you were: a stupid jew-brainwashed bigot who
would do or say anything to hold on to your little fairyland of 
hyperequality, and most of all win points against the evil racists you
encounter here. 
You know Brown, I come here because I enjoy a good debate. There are 
some people on this NG who provide it. You are not one of them. Your 
posts are wearisome, and as the buzzing of flys in my ears. 

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: Evidence of Zionist Conspiracy
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Panagiotis Pantziark wrote:
> 
> Nope, a flash of inspiration and it was there, (I suspect that those
> zionist illuminati have been zapping stuff at microwave frequency for
> some time, so it may be that it's an indirect quote from the Protocols).
> Feel free to re-use it...
> 
> Pan

Mr. Pantziark, 

If you were to quote your sources, like others on this NG do, we
might know what you are talking about.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Eric Blace (ad792@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> > Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> >
> >> But these leftist yahoss never think about that.  All that will fit into
> >> their chipmunk brains is that "Natsees" have to be stopped, at ANY cost.
> >>
> >> Les
> >>
> > So what's your point? There is nothing wrong about getting rid of nazis.
> > The sooner the better.  I mean really, what useful purpose do they serve?
> > None that I can see, except maybe taking up way to much bandwidth.
> > Any cost? Sure, why not. If we need more manure, there is always cattle.
> 
> You know, Eric, EXACTLY the same thing can be (and has been) said about
> leftists.  You REALLY think that you useful idiots will be kept for one
> second longer than the point where your usefullness ends?
> 
> Les

Useful? Lefties are useful? For what? This I gotta hear.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: Dead Jews and Power
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Charles R.L. Power wrote:
> 
> George Graves  writes:
> 
> >The reason why diamonds are the most expensive gemstones is because the
> >diamond industry (headed by the aforementioned Oppenheimer family) has a
> >virtual monopoly on the world's supply, and keeps them off the market to
> >keep prices artificially high. I understand that DeBeers has warehouses
> >filled with enough diamonds to last the world a thousand years, even if
> >not another diamond were ever taken from the earth. This is ONE Jewish
> >conspiracy that they don't even try to hide. Its very well known, its just
> >that no one can do anything about it except play (and pay) along.
> 
> Hey, dummy, who the hell is forcing you to buy diamond gemstones?

Hey folks, we've another bonified idiot on board. Can't tell the
difference between an academic discussion and a personal gripe.
Just for your edification Charlie, I've never bought a diamond
gemstone in my life, and for all I care, the price can go through
the roof. I suggest you digest what you read a little more before
regurgitating your bile. You might end up with it all over YOUR
face!

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: THE POLITICS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS
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David wrote:
> 
> ___________________________________________________
> ...... BOOK REVIEW FROM ... NEW DAWN No. 24 .......
> ***************************************************
> 
> The Politics of Righteousness
> Idaho Christian Patriotism
> By James Aho,
> University of Washington Press,
> Seattle, 1990, 232 pp.
> 
> A Review/Critique
> By DR. GORDON GINN
> 
> James A. Aho (pronounced "Ah-hoe"), is a professor of sociology at
> Idaho State University at Pocatello, and is the author of a book with
> the intriguing title, The Politics of Righteousness,1 with the
> subtitle of Idaho Christian Patriotism. He has attempted to get inside
> the so-called extreme right-wing of American culture not only to
> describe its devotees, their beliefs and organisations, but to learn
> what makes it tick. Although he is by his own admission a liberal
> sociologist2, he presented a dispassionate view of a segment of
> society that was foreign and frightening to him. Like most liberals,
> he correctly ascertained that the reason for the movement's existence
> is its perception of a nation gone awry politically, economically, and
> morally. By and large "right-wingers" believe in a great conspiracy to
> rule the world. But Aho did not apply his sociological skills to
> dissecting that terminus a quo of the "right-wing" phenomenon - the
> "beast" itself.
>         That task, of course, would have been far beyond the scope of his work
> for at least two reasons: it would have required an additional large
> volume, and he did not believe in such a master conspiracy anyway. One
> might say that the latter is the reason why the so-called right-wing
> flourishes - its constituents find themselves without representation
> not only in government, but in the "legitimate" media. Consequently,
> any attempt to analyse and explain the "Christian right" sans
> Orwellian big brother only exacerbates the problem, no matter how
> objective the professional may try to be. In The Politics of
> Righteousness, Dr. Aho has done a commendable and often enlightening
> job of describing the beliefs of those in the movement, but he assumed
> that many of the key elements attached to the movement by its
> detractors, for example "anti-Semitism", are in fact based on an
> extremist mentality. This does little to change the fundamental image
> of America's disenfranchised patriots, which negative image the mass
> liberal media are all too happy to exploit.

Large amounts of this interesting and well written post deleted for 
convenience (mine, not yours).

Dr. Aho's work seems flawed on several points (going only by what 
'David' has posted, I have NOT read this book). First of all, he did 
not carry through with an investigation of the Zionist Conspiracy 
because (in David's words) "it would have required an additional 
large volume, and  he did not believe in such a master conspiracy 
anyway." This shows bigotry on the good doctor's part. He assumed 
that one of the motivations for his subjects' attitudes and ideas 
was unfounded without bothering to ascertain whether or not this 
was the case. He also assumes (again, according to David's criticism) 
that people with extreme right-wing attitudes are predominately 
followers of the Christian religion. I know dozens of right-wing 
extremists, I count almost all of my friends among them, none 
are religious in any sense of the term. Neither, it seems, are a 
majority of the right-wing extremists who post to this NG 
(including, Yours, Truly here). Certainly the religious right is a 
factor, but I do not believe it dominates, and even if it does,
it is certainly not all inclusive.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> > In article ,
> > bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> >
> >>Yes, I did.  But I also said that the Whites did this because they had an
> >>incorrect grasp of judaism, regarding it to be just a religion, when it
> >>damn well wasn't.  Had they correctly identified the jews as a RACE and
> >>not a RELIGION, this would have been prevented.
> >
> > Horsepucky. Culture? Yes, race? Not a hope. Where _do_ you get
> > this crap, Mr. Griswold?
> 
> Oh, please.  Don't tell me that you believe that "Jews are just like us,
> except they go to church on Saturday!"
> 
> --

For anyone who doesn't think that the Jews are are a race with racial
characteristics, try this one. 
Have you ever heard someone say "Funny, he doesn't look Jewish"?
Now try it with a Catholic. 'Funny, he doesn't look Catholic" Nah,
it doesn't work. I mean, what does a Catholic look like? On the other
han we know what Jews look like (or rather I know what Jews look like.
You could too, if you studied them enough to learn what physical 
characteristics are Jewish).

George Graves


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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <30E5C873.3960@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > I just found out something about diamonds of which I was unaware. They
> > aren't really either very rare or very valuable. Rubbies are 50 times
> > rarer than diamonds and blue sapphires are a thousand times rarer! Lapis
> > Lazuli might be the rarest of all being found only in Chile and Afghanistan.
> > The reason why diamonds are the most expensive gemstones is because the
> > diamond industry (headed by the aforementioned Oppenheimer family) has a
> > virtual monopoly on the world's supply, and keeps them off the market to
> > keep prices artificially high. I understand that DeBeers has warehouses
> > filled with enough diamonds to last the world a thousand years, even if
> > not another diamond were ever taken from the earth. This is ONE Jewish
> > conspiracy that they don't even try to hide. Its very well known, its just
> > that no one can do anything about it except play (and pay) along.
> 
> I will not bother asking Graves for evidence of his assertions, as he has
> made it quite clear that he has no interest in providing any. I will
> simply note that we have here yet another example of the unsupported
> claims made and believed by bigots like Graves to justify their hatred of
> Jews.
> 
> JGB
> 
This is common knowledge, asshole. I did not know that diamonds were
really so plentiful, I just found that out (in a new Clive Cussler novel
as a matter of fact). I also did not understand the differences in rarity
of the other mentioned stones. But the part about DeBeers having a 
virtual monoploly on the diamond industry is certainly no secret, in
fact, the Encyclopedia Britannica explains it very well. The fact that
DeBeers controls supply and therefore prices is also well documented
there. This is why DeBeers is refered to as THE DIAMOND CARTEL, you
pedantic fool. And EVERYBODY (except possibly yourself) knows that
the Oppenheimer family has controlled DeBeers ever since they bought
it from Cecil Rhodes late in the last century. BTW, Shit-for-brains, 
DeBeers gets its name from the Boer farmer who sold his farm to 
Rhodes, and upon which, Rhodes started his first African diamond
mine. Opppenheimer kept the name DeBeers so that he could stay
in the background outta sight and pull strings. This is what JOOs
Like to do. (and this is an opinion, not an assertion - Jerk)
You know, if I spent the time to document everything I said on this
NG like this, You'd get a pretty good education, Brown. Something
that you seem to lack, because you don't seem to know anything.
Now that I have supplied my "sources", what the fuck are you going
to do with them? I'll tell you what your going to do, NOTHING. You
won't go to the Britannica and check up on me, neither will you
go find a copy of the novel I mentioned. Because you are just an idiot
who thinks that asking for references is clever. It isn't

George Graves


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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> In <30E55EC4.1188@aimnet.com>, gmgraves@aimnet.com said:
> 
> >
> >Yeah, Les, interesting word anti-semite. Jews will lump themselves
> >together with Arabs gladly when it is a question of discrimination against
> >them. I don't use the word for that very reason. When I want to say that
> >I'm anti-Jew, I mean anti-Jew, not anti Arabs and Jews.
> 
> Boy, that's comforting.  Just a good ol' boy, right George?
> 
> >But now that any organized threat against them is gone, and now that they
> >are pretty much in control, the Jewish doctors are telling goyishe parents
> >NOT to circumcise their male babies. Now, only Jew boys will be
> >circumcised and they can wear it as a badge proudly once more.
> 
> You are beyond help.
> 
> --
> Gord McFee

Well, if you mean by that last statement that I am beyond the help of the
likes of you, I'll have to heartily agree. But then, who would want the 
help of a bunch of race-traitors and Jew-dupes?

George Graves


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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <30E55EC4.1188@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Ever notice how Jews like to hide when the going gets tough and then,
> > when times are good for 'em they want to stand proud of the rabble?
> > I'll give you an example. All during the thirties, when Germany
> > threatened to spread Nazi-ism all over Europe and America, Jewish
> > doctors started pushing circumcision for all males. If you were born
> > in a hospital in the U.S.A. after about 1934, you were circumcised.
> > Throughout the 40's, 50's, 60's 70's and 80's when a bunch of guys
> > were showering in the locker room, or in the barracks, you couldn't
> > tell the Jew-boy from the goy-boy - they were hiding.
> > But now that any organized threat against them is gone, and now
> > that they are pretty much in control, the Jewish doctors are telling
> > goyishe parents NOT to circumcise their male babies. Now, only Jew
> > boys will be circumcised and they can wear it as a badge proudly once
> > more.
> 
> I challenged Graves to provide his evidence for his assertion that "Jewish
> doctors started pushing circumcision for all males". His reply, sent via
> email, was:
> 
> > When I was a student, if you saw a guy who was uncircumcised, it was
> > because he was born at home, and he was the exception. Don't need any
> > proof, that was the way it was!
> 
> I believe this speaks for itself, so far as the reliability of Graves'
> claims are concerned. "Don't need any proof, that was the way it was!" is
> simply a variant of "It's true because I say so".
> 
> JGB

You are an idiot, and a dishonest one at that. I knew that you were going
to do this, I just wanted to watch and see which of my E-mail statements
you would take out of context so that you could prove your nefarious point.
You have no honor, you have no personal integrity, and you are in fact,
exactly what I thought you were: a stupid jew-brainwashed bigot who
would do or say anything to hold on to your little fairyland of 
hyperequality, and most of all win points against the evil racists you
encounter here. 
You know Brown, I come here because I enjoy a good debate. There are 
some people on this NG who provide it. You are not one of them. Your 
posts are wearisome, and as the buzzing of flys in my ears. 

George Graves


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Subject: Re: Evidence of Zionist Conspiracy
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Panagiotis Pantziark wrote:
> 
> Nope, a flash of inspiration and it was there, (I suspect that those
> zionist illuminati have been zapping stuff at microwave frequency for
> some time, so it may be that it's an indirect quote from the Protocols).
> Feel free to re-use it...
> 
> Pan

Mr. Pantziark, 

If you were to quote your sources, like others on this NG do, we
might know what you are talking about.

George Graves


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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Eric Blace (ad792@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> > Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> >
> >> But these leftist yahoss never think about that.  All that will fit into
> >> their chipmunk brains is that "Natsees" have to be stopped, at ANY cost.
> >>
> >> Les
> >>
> > So what's your point? There is nothing wrong about getting rid of nazis.
> > The sooner the better.  I mean really, what useful purpose do they serve?
> > None that I can see, except maybe taking up way to much bandwidth.
> > Any cost? Sure, why not. If we need more manure, there is always cattle.
> 
> You know, Eric, EXACTLY the same thing can be (and has been) said about
> leftists.  You REALLY think that you useful idiots will be kept for one
> second longer than the point where your usefullness ends?
> 
> Les

Useful? Lefties are useful? For what? This I gotta hear.

George Graves


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Charles R.L. Power wrote:
> 
> George Graves  writes:
> 
> >The reason why diamonds are the most expensive gemstones is because the
> >diamond industry (headed by the aforementioned Oppenheimer family) has a
> >virtual monopoly on the world's supply, and keeps them off the market to
> >keep prices artificially high. I understand that DeBeers has warehouses
> >filled with enough diamonds to last the world a thousand years, even if
> >not another diamond were ever taken from the earth. This is ONE Jewish
> >conspiracy that they don't even try to hide. Its very well known, its just
> >that no one can do anything about it except play (and pay) along.
> 
> Hey, dummy, who the hell is forcing you to buy diamond gemstones?

Hey folks, we've another bonified idiot on board. Can't tell the
difference between an academic discussion and a personal gripe.
Just for your edification Charlie, I've never bought a diamond
gemstone in my life, and for all I care, the price can go through
the roof. I suggest you digest what you read a little more before
regurgitating your bile. You might end up with it all over YOUR
face!

George Graves


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Subject: Re: THE POLITICS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS
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David wrote:
> 
> ___________________________________________________
> ...... BOOK REVIEW FROM ... NEW DAWN No. 24 .......
> ***************************************************
> 
> The Politics of Righteousness
> Idaho Christian Patriotism
> By James Aho,
> University of Washington Press,
> Seattle, 1990, 232 pp.
> 
> A Review/Critique
> By DR. GORDON GINN
> 
> James A. Aho (pronounced "Ah-hoe"), is a professor of sociology at
> Idaho State University at Pocatello, and is the author of a book with
> the intriguing title, The Politics of Righteousness,1 with the
> subtitle of Idaho Christian Patriotism. He has attempted to get inside
> the so-called extreme right-wing of American culture not only to
> describe its devotees, their beliefs and organisations, but to learn
> what makes it tick. Although he is by his own admission a liberal
> sociologist2, he presented a dispassionate view of a segment of
> society that was foreign and frightening to him. Like most liberals,
> he correctly ascertained that the reason for the movement's existence
> is its perception of a nation gone awry politically, economically, and
> morally. By and large "right-wingers" believe in a great conspiracy to
> rule the world. But Aho did not apply his sociological skills to
> dissecting that terminus a quo of the "right-wing" phenomenon - the
> "beast" itself.
>         That task, of course, would have been far beyond the scope of his work
> for at least two reasons: it would have required an additional large
> volume, and he did not believe in such a master conspiracy anyway. One
> might say that the latter is the reason why the so-called right-wing
> flourishes - its constituents find themselves without representation
> not only in government, but in the "legitimate" media. Consequently,
> any attempt to analyse and explain the "Christian right" sans
> Orwellian big brother only exacerbates the problem, no matter how
> objective the professional may try to be. In The Politics of
> Righteousness, Dr. Aho has done a commendable and often enlightening
> job of describing the beliefs of those in the movement, but he assumed
> that many of the key elements attached to the movement by its
> detractors, for example "anti-Semitism", are in fact based on an
> extremist mentality. This does little to change the fundamental image
> of America's disenfranchised patriots, which negative image the mass
> liberal media are all too happy to exploit.

Large amounts of this interesting and well written post deleted for 
convenience (mine, not yours).

Dr. Aho's work seems flawed on several points (going only by what 
'David' has posted, I have NOT read this book). First of all, he did 
not carry through with an investigation of the Zionist Conspiracy 
because (in David's words) "it would have required an additional 
large volume, and  he did not believe in such a master conspiracy 
anyway." This shows bigotry on the good doctor's part. He assumed 
that one of the motivations for his subjects' attitudes and ideas 
was unfounded without bothering to ascertain whether or not this 
was the case. He also assumes (again, according to David's criticism) 
that people with extreme right-wing attitudes are predominately 
followers of the Christian religion. I know dozens of right-wing 
extremists, I count almost all of my friends among them, none 
are religious in any sense of the term. Neither, it seems, are a 
majority of the right-wing extremists who post to this NG 
(including, Yours, Truly here). Certainly the religious right is a 
factor, but I do not believe it dominates, and even if it does,
it is certainly not all inclusive.

George Graves


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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> > In article ,
> > bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> >
> >>Yes, I did.  But I also said that the Whites did this because they had an
> >>incorrect grasp of judaism, regarding it to be just a religion, when it
> >>damn well wasn't.  Had they correctly identified the jews as a RACE and
> >>not a RELIGION, this would have been prevented.
> >
> > Horsepucky. Culture? Yes, race? Not a hope. Where _do_ you get
> > this crap, Mr. Griswold?
> 
> Oh, please.  Don't tell me that you believe that "Jews are just like us,
> except they go to church on Saturday!"
> 
> --

For anyone who doesn't think that the Jews are are a race with racial
characteristics, try this one. 
Have you ever heard someone say "Funny, he doesn't look Jewish"?
Now try it with a Catholic. 'Funny, he doesn't look Catholic" Nah,
it doesn't work. I mean, what does a Catholic look like? On the other
han we know what Jews look like (or rather I know what Jews look like.
You could too, if you studied them enough to learn what physical 
characteristics are Jewish).

George Graves


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Polattolah wrote:
> 
> I read or saw someplace that Hitler was Time Magazine's 1933 "Man of the Year".
> 
> Can anyone out there confirm this?
> 
> Better yet, can any binaries be posted?
> 
> Thanks in advance.

No, Frank. Hitler was Time's Man of The Year in 1938. Here is the text
of the article from that Issue:

  Greatest single news event of 1938 took place on September 29, when four 
statesmen met at the Fuhrerhaus, in Munich, to redraw the map of Europe. 
The three visiting statesmen at that historic conference were Prime 
Minister Neville Chamberlain of Great Britain, Premier Edouard Daladier of 
France, and Dictator Benito Mussolini of Italy. But by all odds the dominating 
figure at Munich was the German host, Adolf Hitler. 

     Fuhrer of the German people, Commander-in-Chief of the German Army, 
Navy & Air Force, Chancellor of the Third Reich, Herr Hitler reaped on that 
day at Munich the harvest of an audacious, defiant, ruthless foreign policy he 
had pursued for five and a half years. He had torn the Treaty of Versailles to 
shreds. He had rearmed Germany to the teeth--or as close to the tooth as he 
was able. He had stolen Austria before the eyes of a horrified and apparently 
impotent world. 

     All these events were shocking to nations which had defeated Germany on 
the battlefield only 20 years before, but nothing so terrified the world as 
the ruthless, methodical, Nazi-directed events which during late summer 
and early autumn threatened a world war over Czechoslovakia. When without 
loss of blood he reduced Czechoslovakia to a German puppet state, forced a 
drastic revision of Europe's defensive alliances, and won a free hand for 
himself in Eastern Europe by getting a "hands-off" promise from powerful 
Britain (and later France), Adolf Hitler without doubt became 1938's Man of 
the Year. 

     Most other world figures of 1938 faded in importance as the year drew to 
a close. Prime Minister Chamberlain's "peace with honor" seemed more than 
ever to have achieved neither. An increasing number of Britons ridiculed his 
appease-the-dictators policy, believed that nothing save abject surrender 
could satisfy the dictators' ambitions. 

     Among many Frenchmen there rose a feeling that Premier Daladier, by a 
few strokes of the pen at Munich, had turned France into a second-rate 
power. Aping Mussolini in his gestures and copying triumphant Hitler's 
shouting complex, the once liberal Daladier at year's end was reduced to 
using parliamentary tricks to keep his job. 

     During 1938 Dictator Mussolini was only a decidedly junior partner in the 
firm of Hitler & Mussolini, Inc. His noisy agitation to get Corsica and Tunis 
>from  France was rated as a weak bluff whose immediate objectives were no 
more than cheaper tolls for Italian ships in the Suez Canal and control of the 
Djibouti-Addis Ababa railroad. 

     Gone from the international scene was Eduard Benes, for 20 years 
Europe's "Smartest Little Statesman." Last President of free Czechoslovakia, 
he was now a sick exile from the country he helped found. Pious Chinese 
Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek, Man of 1937, was forced to retreat to a 
"New" West China, where he faced the possibility of becoming only a 
respectable figurehead in an enveloping Communist movement. If Francisco 
Franco had won the Spanish Civil War after his great spring drive, he might 
well have been Man-of-the-Year timber. But victory still eluded the 
Generalissimo and war weariness and disaffection on the Rightist side made 
his future precarious. 

     On the American scene, 1938 was no one man's year. Certainly it was not 
Franklin Roosevelt's; his Purge was beaten and his party lost much of its 
bulge in the Congress. Secretary Hull will remember Good Neighborly 1938 
as the year he crowned his trade treaty efforts with the British agreement, 
but history will not specially identify Mr. Hull with 1938. At year's end in 
Lima, his plan of Continental Solidarity for the two Americas had a few of 
its teeth pulled. 

     But the figure of Adolf Hitler strode over a cringing Europe with all the 
swagger of a conqueror. Not the mere fact that the Fuhrer brought 
10,500,000 more people (7,000,000 Austrians, 3,500,000 Sudetens) under 
his absolute rule made him the Man of 1938. Japan during the same time 
added tens of millions of Chinese to her empire. More significant was the 
fact Hitler became in 1938 the greatest threatening force that the 
democratic, freedom-loving world faces today. 

     His shadow fell far beyond Germany's frontier. Small, neighboring States 
(Denmark, Norway, Czechoslovakia, Lithuania, The Balkans, Luxembourg, The 
Netherlands) feared to offend him. In France Nazi pressure was in part 
responsible for some of the post-Munich anti-democratic decrees. Fascism 
had intervened openly in Spain, had fostered a revolt in Brazil, was covertly 
aiding revolutionary movements in Rumania, Hungary, Poland, Lithuania. In 
Finland a foreign minister had to resign under Nazi pressure. Throughout 
eastern Europe after Munich the trend was toward less freedom, more 
dictatorship. In the U.S. alone did democracy feel itself strong enough at 
year's end to give Hitler his come-uppance. 

     The Fascintern, with Hitler in the driver's seat, with Mussolini, Franco 
and the Japanese military cabal riding behind, emerged in 1938 as an 
international, revolutionary movement. Rant as he might against the 
machinations of international Communism and international Jewry, or rave 
as he would that he was just a Pan-German trying to get all the Germans 
back in one nation, Fuhrer Hitler had himself become the world's No. 1 
International Revolutionist--so much so that if the oft-predicted struggle 
between Fascism and Communism now takes place it will be only because 
two revolutionist dictators, Hitler and Stalin, are too big to let each other 
live in the same world. 

     But Fuhrer Hitler does not regard himself as a revolutionary; he has 
become so only by force of circumstances. Fascism has discovered that 
freedom--of press, speech, assembly--is a potential danger to its own 
security. In Fascist phraseology democracy is often coupled with 
Communism. The Fascist battle against freedom is often carried forward 
under the false slogan of "Down with Communism!" One of the chief German 
complaints against democratic Czechoslovakia last summer was that it was 
an "outpost of Communism." 

     A generation ago western civilization had apparently outgrown the major 
evils of barbarism except for war between nations. The Russian Communist 
Revolution promoted the evil of class war. Hitler topped it by another, race 
war. Fascism and Communism both resurrected religious war. These multiple 
forms of barbarism gave shape in 1938 to an issue over which men may 
again, perhaps soon, shed blood: the issue of civilized liberty v. barbaric 
authoritarianism. 

     Lesser men of the year seemed small indeed beside the Fuhrer. Undoubted 
Crook of the Year was the late Frank Donald Coster (ne Musica), with Richard 
Whitney, now in Sing Sing Prison, as runner-up. Sportsman of the Year was 
Tennist Donald Budge, champion of the U.S., England, France, Australia. 
Aviator of the Year was 33-year-old Howard Robard Hughes, diffident 
millionaire, who flew a sober, precise, foolproof course 14,716 miles round 
the top of the world in three days, 19 hours, eight minutes. 

     Radio's Man of the Year was youthful Orson Welles who, in his famous The 
War of the Worlds broadcast, scared fewer people than Hitler, but more than 
had ever been frightened by radio before, demonstrating that radio can be a 
tremendous force in whipping up mass emotion. Playwright of the Year was 
Thornton Wilder, previously a precious litterateur, whose first play on 
Broadway, Our Town, was not only ingenious and moving, but a big hit. To 
Gabriel Pascal, producer of Pygmalion, first full-length picture based on the 
wordy dramas of George Bernard Shaw, went the title of Cineman of the Year 
for having discovered a rich mine of dramatic material when other famed 
producers had given up all hope of ever tapping it. Men of the Year, 
outstanding in comprehensive science were three medical researchers who 
discovered that nicotinic acid was a cure for human pellagra: Drs. Tom 
Douglas Spies of Cincinnati General Hospital, Marion Arthur Blankenhorn of 
the University of Cincinnati, Clark Niel Cooper of Waterloo, Iowa. 

     In religion, the two outstanding figures of 1938 were in sharp contrast 
save for their opposition to Adolf Hitler. One of them, Pope Pius XI, 81, 
spoke with "bitter sadness" of Italy's anti-Semitic laws, the harrying of 
Italian Catholic Action groups, the reception Mussolini gave Hitler last May, 
declared sadly: "We have offered our now old life for the peace and 
prosperity of peoples. We offer it anew." By spending most of the year in a 
concentration camp, Protestant Pastor Martin Niemoller gave courageous 
witness to his faith. 

     It was noteworthy that few of these other men of the year would have 
been free to achieve their accomplishments in Nazi Germany. The genius of 
free wills has been so stifled by the oppression of dictatorship that 
Germany's output of poetry, prose, music, philosophy,art has been meagre 
indeed. 

     The man most responsible for this world tragedy is a moody, brooding, 
unprepossessing, 49-year-old Austrian-born ascetic with a Charlie Chaplin 
mustache. The son of an Austrian petty customs official, Adolf Hitler was 
raised as a spoiled child by a doting mother. Consistently failing to pass 
even the most elementary studies, he grew up a half-educated young man, 
untrained for any trade or profession, seemingly doomed to failure. Brilliant, 
charming, cosmopolitan Vienna he learned to loathe for what he called its 
Semitism; more to his liking was homogeneous Munich, his real home after 
1912. To this man of no trade and few interests the Great War was a 
welcome event which gave him some purpose in life. Hitler took part in 48 
engagements, won the German Iron Cross (first class), was wounded once 
and gassed once, was in a hospital when the Armistice of November 11, 
1918 was declared. 

     His political career began in 1919 when he became Member No. 7 of the 
midget German Labor Party. Discovering his powers of oratory, Hitler soon 
became the party's leader, changed its name to the National Socialist 
German Labor Party, wrote is anti- Semitic, anti-democratic, authoritarian 
program. The party's first mass meeting took place in Munich in February 
1920. The leader intended to participate in a monarchist attempt to seize 
power a month later; but for this abortive Putsch Fuhrer Hitler arrived too 
late. An even less successful National Socialist attempt--the famed Munich 
Beer Hall Putsch of 1923--provided the party with dead martyrs, landed 
Herr Hitler in jail. His incarceration at Landsberg Fortress gave him time to 
write the first volume of Mein Kampf, now a "must" on every German 
bookshelf. (Deputy Fuhrer Rudolf Hess helped write it. Imprisonment also 
gave Hitler time to perfect his tactics. Even before that time he got from 
his Communist opponents the idea of gangster-like party storm troopers; 
after this the principle of the small cell groups of devoted party workers.) 

     Outlawed in many German districts, the National Socialist Party 
nevertheless climbed steadily in membership. Time-honored Tammany Hall 
methods of handing out many small favors were combined with rowdy 
terrorism and lurid, patriotic propaganda. The picture of a mystic, 
abstemious, charismatic Fuhrer was assiduously cultivated. 

     Not until 1929 did National Socialism win its first absolute majority in 
a city election (at Coburg) and make its first significant showing in a 
provincial election (in Thuringia). But from 1928 on the party almost 
continually gained in electoral strength. In the Reichstag elections of 1928 
it polled 809,000 votes. Two years later 6,401,016 Germans voted for 
National Socialist deputies while in 1932 the vote was 13,732,779. While 
still short of a majority, the vote was nevertheless impressive proof of the 
power of the man and his movement. 

     The situation which gave rise to this demagogic, ignorant, desperate 
movement was inherent in the German Republic's birth and in the craving of 
large sections of the politically immature German people for strong, 
masterful leadership. Democracy in Germany was conceived in the womb of 
military defeat. It was the Republic which put its signature (unwillingly) to 
the humiliating Versailles Treaty, a brand of shame which it never lived 
down in German minds. 

     That the German people love uniforms, parades, military formations, and 
submit easily to authority is no secret. Fuhrer Hitler's own hero is Frederick 
the Great. That admiration stems undoubtedly from Frederick's military 
prowess and autocratic rule rather than from Frederick's love of French 
culture and his hatred of Prussian boorishness. But unlike the polished 
Frederick, Fuhrer Hitler, whose reading has always been very limited, 
invites few great minds to visit him, nor would Fuhrer Hitler agree with 
Frederick's contention that he was "tired of ruling over slaves." (Bismarck, 
the Iron Chancellor, also complained of the submissiveness of German 
character.) 

     In bad straits even in fair weather, the German Republic collapsed under 
the weight of the 1929-34 depression in which German unemployment 
soared to 7,000,000 above a nationwide wind drift of bankruptcies and 
failures. Called to power as Chancellor of the Third Reich on January 30, 
1933 by aged, senile President Paul von Hindenburg, Chancellor Hitler began 
to turn the Reich inside out. Unemployment was solved by: 1) a far-reaching 
program of public works; 2) an intense re-armament program, including a 
huge standing army; 3) enforced labor in the service of the State (the 
German Labor Corps); 4) putting political enemies and Jewish, Communist 
and Socialist jobholders in concentration camps. 

     What Adolf Hitler & Co. did to Germany in less than six years was 
applauded wildly and ecstatically by most Germans. He lifted the nation 
>from  post-War defeatism. Under the swastika Germany was unified. His was 
no ordinary dictatorship, but rather one of great energy and magnificent 
planning. The "socialist" part of National Socialism might be scoffed at by 
hard-&-fast Marxists, but the Nazi movement nevertheless had a mass basis. 
The 1,500 miles of magnificent highways built, schemes for cheap cars and 
simple workers' benefits, grandiose plans for rebuilding German cities made 
Germans burst with pride. Germans might eat many substitute foods or wear 
ersatz clothes but they did eat. 

     What Adolf Hitler & Co. did to the German people in that time left 
civilized men and women aghast. Civil rights and liberties have disappeared. 
Opposition to the Nazi regime has become tantamount to suicide or worse. 
Free speech and free assembly are anachronisms. The reputations of the 
once-vaunted German centres of learning have vanished. Education has been 
reduced to a National Socialist catechism. 

     Pace Quickened. Germany's 700,000 Jews have been tortured physically, 
robbed of homes and properties, denied a chance to earn a living, chased off 
the streets. Now they are being held for "ransom," a gangster trick through 
the ages. But not only Jews have suffered. Out of Germany has come a 
steady, ever- swelling stream of refugees, Jews and Gentiles, liberals and 
conservatives, Catholics as well as Protestants, who could stand Naziism no 
longer. TIME's cover, showing Organist Adolf Hitler playing his hymn of hate 
in a desecrated cathedral while victims dangle on a St. Catherine's wheel 
and the Nazi hierarchy looks on, was drawn by Baron Rudolph Charles von 
Ripper, a Catholic who found Germany intolerable. 

     Meanwhile, Germany has become a nation of uniforms, goose- stepping to 
Hitler's tune, where boys of ten are taught to throw hand grenades, where 
women are regarded as breeding machines. Most cruel joke of all, however, 
has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small 
businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving 
Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo 
that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some 
businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a 
capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea 
of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be 
deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial 
orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed 
for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large 
estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure 
fundamentally similar to Russian Communism. 

     When Germany took over Austria she took upon herself the care and 
feeding of 7,000,000 poor relations. When 3,500,000 Sudetens were 
absorbed, there were that many more mouths to feed. As 1938 drew to a 
close many were the signs that the Nazi economy of exchange control, barter 
trade, lowered standard of living, "self-sufficiency," was cracking. Nor were 
signs lacking that many Germans disliked the cruelties of their Government, 
but were afraid to protest them. Having a hard time to provide enough bread 
to go round, Fuhrer Hitler was being driven to give the German people 
another diverting circus. The Nazi controlled press, jumping the rope at the 
count of Propaganda Minister Paul Joseph Goebbels, shrieked insults at real 
and imagined enemies. And the pace of the German dictatorship quickened as 
more & more guns rolled from factories and little more butter was produced. 

     In five years under the Man of 1938, regimented Germany had made itself 
one of the great military powers of the world today. The British Navy 
remains supreme on the seas. Most military men regard the French Army as 
incomparable. Biggest question mark is air strength, which changes from day 
to day, but most observers believe Germany superior in warplanes. Despite a 
shortage of trained officers and a lack of materials, the German Army has 
become a formidable machine which could probably be beaten only by a 
combination of opposing armies. As testimony to his nation's puissance, 
Fuhrer Hitler could look back over the year and remember that besides 
receiving countless large-bore statesmen (Mr. Chamberlain three times, for 
instance), he paid his personal respects to three kings (Sweden's Gustaf, 
Denmark's Christian, Italy's Vittorio Emanuele) and was visited by two 
(Bulgaria's Boris, Rumania's Carol--not counting Hungary's Regent, Horthy). 

     Meanwhile an estimated 1,133 streets and squares, notably Rathaus Platz 
in Vienna, acquired the name of Adolf Hitler. He delivered 96 public 
speeches, attended eleven opera performances (way below par), vanquished 
two rivals (Benes and Kurt von Schuschnigg, Austria's last Chancellor), sold 
900,000 new copies of Mein Kampf in Germany besides selling it widely in 
Italy and Insurgent Spain. His only loss was in eyesight: he had to begin 
wearing spectacles for work. Last week Herr Hitler entertained at a 
Christmas party 7,000 workmen now building Berlin's new mammoth 
Chancellery, told them: "The next decade will show those countries with 
their patent democracy where true culture is to be found." 

     But other nations have emphatically joined the armaments race and 
among military men the poser is: "Will Hitler fight when it becomes 
definitely certain that he is losing that race?" The dynamics of dictatorship 
are such that few who have studied Fascism and its leaders can envision 
sexless, restless, instinctive Adolf Hitler rounding out a mellow middle age 
in his mountain chalet at Berchtesgaden while a satisfied German people 
drink beer and sing folk songs. There is no guarantee that the have-not 
nations will go to sleep when they have taken what they now want from the 
haves. To those who watched the closing events of the year it seemed more 
than probable that the Man of 1938 may make 1939 a year to be remembered.

Copyright Time Inc. 1938


George Graves


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Subject: Re: Dead Jews and Power
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <30E70DCF.2DF2@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> > > [...deletia...]
> 
> > > On the contrary: it was clever enough to cause you to reveal that you rely
> > > for your "facts", at least in part, on works of fiction.
> > >
> > > JGB
> > >
> > Sometimes, you rotten piece of shit, works of fiction use real facts
> > and real backgroundss for their plots. If you knew how to read, filth,
> > you would know this.
> 
> Apparently, Noble Aryan Warriors (TM) can easily distinguish the 'real
> facts' in works of fiction, since those are the ones that mesh neatly with
> the Joo conspiracy. A truly useful reality filter, that.
> 
> JGB

OK idiot, try the Encyclopedia Britannica. Rhodes, Cecil; Diamonds and 
Diamond Mining, DeBeers, Gemstones, Sapphire, Ruby Etc. Its all there.
Unlike you, I have a modicum of personal integrity. I would never post
anything as fact that wasn't reasonably sure WAS fact. I know far more
history than just about anybody on this NG, I have gained this knowledge
over a lifetime of study. Just because I can't always tell, chapter and 
verse, where I read this bit or that, doesn't make what I say invalid. You
on the other hand, offer nothing. You're like a ghost, pointing an empty
sleeve and scoffing at everything the living have to say. You can add
nothing to any conversation, so you ridicule.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: Evidence of Zionist Conspiracy
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Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:
> 
> In article <30E6A31D.57F5@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> * Panagiotis Pantziark wrote:
> * >
> * > Nope, a flash of inspiration and it was there, (I suspect that those
> * > zionist illuminati have been zapping stuff at microwave frequency for
> * > some time, so it may be that it's an indirect quote from the Protocols).
> * > Feel free to re-use it...
> * >
> * > Pan
> *
> * Mr. Pantziark,
> *
> * If you were to quote your sources, like others on this NG do, we
> * might know what you are talking about.
> *
> * George Graves
> 
> Some of us remember what Mr. Pantziark is referring to, but we (Jewish
> controlled dupes and lackeys) won't reveal it because it's part of the
> conspiracy. BTW, did you know that all Z.O.G. decoder rings have diamonds
> in them, George?
> 
> Rev. Jeanne K.
> Ordained Minister, Universal Life Church

No, Jeanne. I didn't know that. But it makes sense. Jews like to wear 
JEWelry. I'll bet its a pinky ring!

George Graves


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Panagiotis Pantziark wrote:
> 
> I hope you're not suggesting that our esteemed racial warriors can't keep
> up with the thread...I mean, these are the people to create an aryan
> utopia, suggesting they can't keep track of a simple joke is...too much
> like the truth.
> 
> Pan

Its just a suggestion. Common net courtesy, you know.

George Graves


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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <4c7ou0$amu@morgoth.sfu.ca>, mebesius@sfu.ca wrote:
> 
> > I don't know how anyone can look at De Beers and the Oppenheimers, and their
> > "business," and come to any conclusion other than that these Jews control the
> > diamond industry and they got way too much power.
> >
> > Apparently, Jeffrey Brown can.
> 
> Kindly point out where I came to any conclusion at all about De Beers and
> the Oppenheimers.
> 
> I have never figured out what it is about simple requests for
> documentation of the assertions made by racists and bigots that sends them
> into such a frenzy. I could understand it if the didn't _have_ the
> documentation, and were afraid of being caught up in a lie about, oh, say,
> interracial rapes in the US in 1988, or the utter lack of marriage among
> blacks. (Those are just hypothetical examples, mind you.)
> 
> > And if you do do some research, and still deny the power of De Beers and
> > the Oppenheimers, then I don't know what kind of evidence (if any) would
> > convince you that these Jews are too powerful.
> 
> I assume that "mebesius" finds this to be A Bad Thing. Is this because
> they are too powerful, because they are Jews, or is there some other
> reason?
> 

No, Brown, its probably because he thinks that you are an idiot. Something
that I KNOW you are. Got caught with your pants down around your ankles
didn't you? Now, you go look-up EVERY citation Mr. mebesius mentions, as
well as the Britannica citations I mentioned, and then come back and report
to us how you have caught some racists in a lie. If you DON'T do this, then 
we will all know what a fraud and a bag of hot wind you are, and that this is
all NG masturbation on your part!

George Graves


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B. A. Mylite wrote:
> 
> On Dec 27, 1995 18:13:24 in article  Part 1>, 'George Graves ' wrote:
> 
> 
> >Many of you Jews and Jew-Dupes on this NG have been hounding
> >me for evidence of a Jewish conspiracy. What I'm about to post
> >is not proof, however.
> 
> 
> You're correct. This is not proof of anything, much less a *Jewish
> conspiracy.* So where's the proof you repeatedly claimed you would post?
> 
>  years ago by an anti-semite as deluded and paranoid as George Graves.>

NONE OF YOU LIBERALS CAN FUCKING READ! I never said I had proof. I said
I had a body of circumstantial evidence which points to a Jewish
conspiracy. 
Don't you know the difference between 'proof' and 'evidence'? You 
should have been an O.J. juror, you'd have fit right in.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Frank Weltner wrote:
> 
> > Why are Jews always singled out? That's an easy one. Because we're smart,
> > we're able to adapt to any country we live in, and we are able to become
> > successful. That just burns your little white trash ass, doesn't it? You
> > NEED a scapegoat, because otherwise, you might have to take responsibility
> >for your OWN sorry life, instead of having the Jews to blame it on.
> ====================================================================
> Don't you mean try to take over every country you live in? BTW, I love the
> assumptions you Jews and other liberals make about people's sorry lives.
> Believe me, being a racists or an anti-semite has nothing whatsoever to
> do with a person's personal success or happiness. But you assume that
> anyone who doesn't believe your sick liberal filth must be some kind of
> unhappy failure looking for someone to blame. Well lady, it just ain't so.
> That's just as much (or even more of) a stereotype than you libs accuse
> we racists of making-up.
> =====================================================================
> 
> I have not yet seen a single country that Jews have successfully taken
> over. Let's see, they are in Russia, Germany (oops, wrong), England,
> France, Italy, United States (a little corruption of congressmen, but who
> doesn't do that including the japanese), south american, etc. No countries
> they head there. I think Disraeli was Jewish and was PM in Britain for
> awhile; he seems to have relinquished his hold when he was voted out,
> though, and that's not very conspiratorial, is it?).
> 
> Jews are great. They are inventive, hard working, industrious, and just
> want to participate. I have no problem with them. Much rather have Jews
> around than murdering, city-killing savages. Don't have to feed them with
> food stamps; in fact, they pay taxes. What more could a bigot like me
> want? Absolutely nothing. If the blacks, native Americans, and immigrants
> were so good, I'd be off this newsgroup. I don't objective to a person's
> racial inheritance, just to their behavior as a group; if they get better
> and become productive, they fall from my shit list immediately. I am an
> equal opportunity bigot. However, I hold the line at affirmative action.
> You have to EARN your way off my shit list once you get on it.

Frank, those "savages" get away with what they do, and are on welfare, 
and get light (or no) prison sentences PRECEISLY because the Jew is their
advocate. When I was a college student, fighting for civil rights (yeah, I 
know. I'm not too proud of it either), we would go down to Mississippi
and Alabama to "march" etc. The marchers might have been dewey-eyed
liberal college kids (just doin' what monkeys do), but the instigators 
were ALL 35 year old+ JEWS (at least all of them that I saw were). 
Ever notice that a large majority of TV sitcoms have black casts, as
if the blacks constituted a major portion of the U.S. population? Check
out the names of the producers and writers of these shows: Saul
Turttletaub, Norman Lear, Murray Shapiro, Leon Abrhamovitz etc.,
etc.

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Wed Jan  3 18:37:39 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Andy Walton:  twat
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) writes:
> > Les Griswold wrote:
> >>
> >> Android Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> >>
> >> (snip - nothing of importance, so I deleted it.)
> >>
> >> Les
> > Now that I've stopped laughing, and wiped the tears from my eyes:
> >
> > Les, Walton NEVER says anything important to say on any subject, but
> > you have certainly hit upon a way to clear this NG of liberals. Just
> > ignore them! They'll scream and hollar, and eventually, if we only
> > respond to each other, they'll go away!
> > Now back to Walton. Do you know of any way we can delete him? (in
> > a nice way, of course).  :)
> 
> Well, this IS a novel way to irritate the hell out of them.  Of course,
> they'll stomp and scream about how they "don't care" that a "Natsee" has
> called them a twat, but it will, and badly.  See, most liberals REALLY
> CAN'T UNDERSTAND how stupid they look to ordinary people, how hare-brained
> their "love-everybody-except-Whites" makes them look.  And when you try to
> do them a favour and explain it to them, they get resentful!  I tell you,
> there's just no appreciation in this world anymore for an honest man!
> 
> Les

Well, Les, I always say that there are two types of people in the world:
racists and liars. When I meet a multiculturalist, I always ask: 'Which
are you?' It jams 'em up, because deep down inside they KNOW the real
answer, but their brainwashing will never let them admit it. They are
dishonest to themselves and to everyone about them. In short, they're a 
mess!

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Thu Jan  4 12:32:00 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: It wasn't six million, Mr. Griswold
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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> KT (speedy7@ibm.net) wrote:
> 
> : That's what it looks like when one ignores a few basic facts. You see, the
> : Romans only *executed* him whereas jews BETRAYED him and were
> : behind the whole thing.
> 
> Mind explaining this?
> 

Its simple. According to legend (i.e. the New Testament) Pontius Pilate, 
Roman Governor General of Judea, asked the people of Jeruselam who 
they wanted set free (in accordance with a Roman tradition), and they
(the Jews in Jeruselam) chose a revolutionary figure named Barabbas to
be set free RATHER than the Christ. Also, it was the priests of the Jewish
temple, who, angry at the Christ's disruption of the moneychangers in the 
temple, ordered his arrest by the Romans. This is the source of the idea
that the Jews betrayed Christ. It was Harrod Antipas who condemmed 
Christ after Pilate had "washed his hands" of the matter, and it was the 
soldiers of the Roman garrison at Jeruselam who carried out the sentence 
and crucified him. Clear now?

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Thu Jan  4 12:40:36 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Black and Hispanic Homicide Rate
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 1996 11:47:07 +0000
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Fran Siegal wrote:
> 
> A country in an evolving and non-static entity. We can't measure the
> collective morality of its present generation by the aberrance of war, or
> even by it's history. It must be measured by how we treat our family and
> our neighbors right here and now. By that measure it is the US who can lay
> claim to being the most degraded and uncivilized nation on earth. We
> presently hold the distinction of having the highest murder rate of any
> nation. If there were ever an Olympics for murder, mugging, rape (adult,
> children and babies) ,thievery, etc., the US would sweep the golds.
> 
> But who is actually responsible for America's decline?
> 
> Let's take the murder rate for example.
> 
> If one factored-out all the murders and other such crimes committed by the
> Blacks and Hispanics (Puerto Ricans and Dominicans), then the murder and
> miscellaneous crime rate in the US would be approximately the same as
> Finland, The Netherlands, Japan, and other such civilized/safe countries.
> 
> Here are some figures to chew on:
> 
> HOMICIDE ARRESTS PER 100,000
> 
> WHITE MALES------AGE 18-24:***** 23 PER 100,000
> -----------------AGE 14-17:***** 15 "  "   "
> 
> AFRO-AMERICANS---AGE 18-24:***** 210 PER 100,000
> -----------------AGE 17-24:***** 110  "  "   "
> 
> Homicide arrests for Hispanics are also extremely high
> 
> Similar figures exist for other felony arrests
> 
> Source-
> 
> 1993.New York Times (31 Jan). Cites Fox, J.A., and Pierce, from
> Northeastern University in Boston
> 
> Some books that address the cultural/ethnic issue:
> 
> 1. WHO PROSPERS   *****especially*********
> 
> by Lawrence Harrison ISBN 0-465-09167-9
> 
> 2. RACE AND CULTURE
> 
> by Thomas Sowell  ISBN 0-465-06796-4
> 
> 3. THE DECLINE OF INTELLIGENCE IN AMERICA  *****especially*******
> 
> By Seymour W. Itzkoff ISBN 0-275-95229-0
> 
> 4. IN DEFENSE OF ELITISM
> 
> By William Henry
> 
> 5. A NATION OF VICTIMS
> By Charles J. Sykes ISBN 0-312-08297-5
> 
> 6. THE BELL CURVE
> 
> by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murry ISBN 0-02-914673-9
> 
> Fran

Your figures are about correct. If we removed ALL non-whites from 
the above statistics, we would find that the United States would have
among the lowest incidence of crime in the world. Before we gave the 
blacks "Their civil rights" this was so.


George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Fri Jan  5 08:06:59 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
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Frank Weltner wrote:
> 
> I have had several contacts with my system administrator from this board,
> also. Perhaps it is time for reprisals. I wonder how their system
> administrators would treat them coming aboard our newsgroup and posting
> flames which are designed to hinder and redesign our discussions? I doubt
> they would like getting email like that.
> 
> It is a typical liberal ploy, used by Stalin, Trotsky, and Lenin to
> demolish opposition, always acting the part of an "elevated observer"
> pointing down at "those poor slobs below" who just are enlightened enough
> to understand.
> 
> Well, Stalin killed approximately 100 million kulaks and politicoes once
> he silenced those who were "those poor slobs below." Stalin, was the true
> slob of slobs and the class warfare which the negroes and their black
> democratic party are pulling off in America against the white civilization
> is similar to Stalin's. What bigger terrorism can there be than placing
> criminal blacks into white communities, forcing the native whites to
> leave, ethnically cleansing the neighborhoods so that irresponsible,
> criminal blacks can live there, elect aldermen, and let hundreds of
> millions of dollars in contracts to the union buddies who give them the
> money to pay for their elections? Like turds in a toilet, their hands join
> together.
> 
> In article , joelr@winternet.com (Joel
> Rosenberg) wrote:
> 
> :In article <4burom$p8h@daryl.scsn.net> xyz@scsn.net writes:
> :
> :
> :>joel rosenburg sent this to me and to my system administrator:
> :
> :
> :>:Given the just barely implicit threats that have been made against one Ken
> :>:McVay by somebody apparently posting from this account under, variously, the
> :>:names of "Davey Padget", "R.C. Richards", and "Racial Theorist", I thought
> :>:it only fair to verify this information before passing it along to the
> :>:appropriate authorities, who undoubtedly will either be aware or be made
> :>:aware that McVay has recently been targetted by at least one white
> :>:supremacist group for his anti-bigotry work on the Nizkor Project.
> :
> :
> :>so have you passed the info on to the appropiate authorities, joel?
> :
> :Yes, I have.  As I told you in private email -- in my final response to your
> :unsolicited email, which I've repeatedly asked you to cease, and which is
> :going to automatically bounce over to your sysadmin from now on -- , the
> :packet is sitting out waiting for today's mail.
> :
> :  i>guess i'm gonna be locked up, huh?
> :
> :I don't know.  I guess that's going to be your problem, eh?
> :
> :But do keep backpedaling and denying.  It's fun to watch you try to weasel out
> :of it, oh brave aryan stalker.

This is typical of Jews (in my estimation). They go on a NG that has nothing
on it for them, where they are bound to be excoriated, baited, flammed, and
generally given a bad time, and then run to the authorities whenever the
going gets too tough for them.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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evil Beavis wrote:
> 
> George Graves wrote:
> >
> > Steve Withers wrote:
> > >
> > > >> >I find it
> > > >> >facinating that practically every free and democratic nation on Earth has
> > > >> >formulated legislation to deal with Hatemongers. Countrys such as Great
> > > >> >Britain, France, Austrailia, New Zealand, Belgium, Holland, Sweden,
> > > >> >Switzerland and Germany to name a few all have anti-hate laws.
> > > >>
> > > >> Those "Hatemongers" have a damn good reason to *hate*. Which is why
> > > >> anti-immigrant parties are gaining a steady increase in popularity in
> > > >> those very same countries.
> > >
> > > Whoever this troll was...........New Zealand has no 'anti-immigration'
> > > party that I know of.
> > >
> > > The party currently in power (National Party) is probably the most
> > > PRO immigration party.
> >
> > Oh, so they got to New Zealand too? Today, and idyllic island paradise
> > in the South Pacific, tomorrow a cesspool of multiculturalism. Add
> > one more ruined white country to the list.
> >
> > George Graves
> 
> It's white?! How about the Maoris living there - I guess they don't
> count...
> 
> eB

The Maoris are a very small minority.

George Graves


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Steve Withers wrote:
> 
> >> >I find it
> >> >facinating that practically every free and democratic nation on Earth has
> >> >formulated legislation to deal with Hatemongers. Countrys such as Great
> >> >Britain, France, Austrailia, New Zealand, Belgium, Holland, Sweden,
> >> >Switzerland and Germany to name a few all have anti-hate laws.
> >>
> >> Those "Hatemongers" have a damn good reason to *hate*. Which is why
> >> anti-immigrant parties are gaining a steady increase in popularity in
> >> those very same countries.
> 
> Whoever this troll was...........New Zealand has no 'anti-immigration'
> party that I know of.
> 
> The party currently in power (National Party) is probably the most
> PRO immigration party.

Oh, so they got to New Zealand too? Today, and idyllic island paradise
in the South Pacific, tomorrow a cesspool of multiculturalism. Add
one more ruined white country to the list.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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JeanneK142 wrote:
> 
> Miltie's "fan" wrote:
> 
> > * You are obviously a sick demented psycopath who has not heard that you
> > * have already lost the war and the ideology with it.  The Jews and the
> > * Jewish controlled everything got your people once and they can do it
> > * again.  The privilidge of staying alive in this country is generally
> > * granted to those that that respect the dignity and rights of those
> that
> > * are bigger then them.  Keep that in mind.
> 
> Then I said:
> 
> > OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH! Here's the proof that George Graves has been unable
> > to supply, which will finally support his anti-JOOISH rantings.
> 
> Then George o' de jungle yodelled:
> 
> ======================================================================
> Hey, Craze, go back and check your archives, I never said 'proof' I said
> 'circumstantial evidence'. This thing couldn't be proven to you and your
> cronies if I had a thousand rabbis swear on a stack of Torahs that it
> was true.
> 
> George Graves
> ======================================================================
> 
> Well, okay. Then here is more *evidence* to bolster your anti-JOOISH
> rantings.
> Feel better now, George? This is real evidence, isn't it?

Depends on its source. I know a high placed Hollywood Jew who is head
of one of the bigger trades guilds there. He admits the existence of the
conspiracy freely, and he isn't kidding, he means it. Have had some really
interesting discussions with him about it, so I do believe him. On the 
other hand, on a NG like this, so many people are baiting the opposition, 
that I look with jaundiced eye upon any such statements proffered in this
manner. (even the one I posted myself from a Mr. Alpert, last week). It 
may be a real admission, then again, it may not.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Harry Katz wrote:
> 
> I wrote:
> 
>         Mr. Graves, as expected, misses a particularly important
>         distinction.  Stereotypes are always based on factors that the
>         individual victim cannot help or remedy.  For example,
>         Mr. Graves' characterization of Jews is something that I did
>         nothing to create and can do nothing to dispell, yet he does
>         indeed apply it to me.
> 
>         On the other hand, the characterization of racists derives from
>         their own words and deeds.  No one said that so-called "White"
>         people as a whole are losers looking for someone to blame --
>         that would be a stereotype.  But to say that Mr. Graves is
>         looking for someone to blame is to merely summarize his own
>         words.  That Mr. Graves feels in some way unsuccessful in life
>         (which can happen even if he has all the trappings of success
>         outwardly) we deduce from the insistence with which he blames
>         Jews in spite of the fact that he has never presented a single,
>         solitary shred of evidence to back it up.
> 
> In article <30EB0BFC.1970@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) finds he cannot refute me, so he
> opts instead to abuse me:
> 
>         Katz, try bullshitting some of the schlemiels on this NG,...
> 
> So, Mr. Graves considers people who read this newsgroup to be
> "schlemiels!"  Well, being a schlemiel is much better than being a
> schlemazel!
===================================================================
Being a MAJOR schlemazel yourself (as well as a putz and a schmuck), you
should certainly know! (oh, and I forgot you're also a twat [copyright Les
Griswold, 1995])
===================================================================
> 
>         ...but don't try it on me. It won't work.
> 
> I know better than to try to bullshit the master of bullshit!  I also
> know something that Mr. Graves apparently does not:  That bullshit is
> easily discovered, which is why I never indulge in it.
===================================================================
Never indulge in it? Katz your so full of it, your eyes are brown!
====================================================================
> 
> What Mr. Graves is pleased to characterize as "bullshit" is actually
> the way I point out when he is bullshitting!
====================================================================
I'm not bullshitting Mr. Jew, and YOU know it! Its your job to go on the 
net and try to discredit those who know about the conspiracy and who
are opening other's eyes about it. You should see the POSITIVE private 
E-mail I get! Regardless of what you think you are doing Mr. Evil Jew,
I'm succeeding at my self appointed task. I have rescued many from
your people's brainwashing.
==================================================================== 
> 
>         I know what you are, I know what you're about,...
> 
> Swami Graves sees all and knows all!
====================================================================
I certainly know you Mr. Katz. All to well.
====================================================================
> 
>         ...and I'm not buying it.
> 
> I was not offering anything for sale to Mr. Graves, but I am not
> surprised that he will not buy into the truth.
====================================================================
At least someone who is selling something gives the buyer a choice. With
you Jews its subtrafuge, brainwashing, and manipulation. Shame on you!
====================================================================
> 
>         Go sell your liberal-Jew papers elsewhere!
> 
> Once again, unable to counter my arguments, Mr. Graves tries to bully
> me off the internet.  If he cannot stand to be exposed then he is the
> one who ought to leave.
====================================================================
Once again, the great Mr. Katz is wrong. I was suggesting that he go try
his BS on others on this NG, because it has no effect on me. Typically, 
he took it to mean that I was trying to bully him off the internet. I 
couldn't do that, even if I wanted to. Mr. Katz, does however, show classic
Jewish thinking here. Since the Jews are in favor of curbing anyone's
ideas which differ from their agenda, they think that everybody believes
this way. It never occurs to Jews that there are people who take liberty
of thought seriously eneough to have principles about it, since they have
no such principles.
Given that, it is no wonder that Mr. Katz and Mr. Rosenberg see threats of
one type or another hiding behind every post.

George Graves
====================================================================
> 
> --
> Harry Katz
> 
> An envious man frowns when his neighbor rejoices.
>         -- The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Fri Jan  5 14:58:28 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Questions about Germans,Jews
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Rob Kowalewski wrote:
> 
> In article <4camug$p9q@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, blakkr@ix.netcom.com(Scott
> A. Reap ) wrote:
> 
> >      A nazi told me you could tell someone is a Jew just by looking at
> > them.I really doubt this,would any of you nazis care to interject and
> > perhaps give a logical pov?
> >
> >             thanks----Blakkr
> 
> Yeah!
> 
> And the explanation should encompass Sammy Davis, Jr.
> 
> The world awaits!
> 
> Rob K.
> --

You can tell an ETHNIC Jew by looking at him/her. You can't always tell
a member of the Jewish religion. Ashkanazi and Saphardic Jews are
the easiest. There are a bunch of racial characteristics which are 
giveaways. One is the nose. The famous Jew nose is shaped like the 
number "6" although a bannana shape is also prevelent. Next time you
see a picture of Barbara Streisand, look at her profile. She has classic
Jewish features: Prominent cheek bones, "6" nose, heavy lips, long eye
slits, eyes which are higher on the brow at the nose than they are at the
edge of the cheek, etc. Another classic Jewish face is Henry Kissinger, 
Paul Newman is a perfect example of the Jew-shaped eyes. Bette Middler
is another famous Jewess with very Jewish features. compare her profile
with that of Streisand, you will see many similarities. 
Sammy Davis, unfortunately, cannot be included in this because he was not
Jewish. He was a negro who adopted the Hebreaic faith. Jews are not
necessarily a religion. Not all Jews follow the Hebreaic religion, nor are
all followers of the Hebeaic faith ethnic Jews. 
I had a neighbor once whose surname was Frank. They were obviously
Jewish in appearance. But somewhere along the line, some predecessor
had gone geschmott. They were devout Episcapalians. The son told me once
that his grandmother on his father's side had abandoned Judaism around the
turn of the century, and had become an Episcapalian. So Ethnic Jews don't
necessarily go to temple, and some non-Jews do.

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Fri Jan  5 19:56:33 PST 1996
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Caesar wrote:
> 
> In article <30EB0AEE.3BF1@aimnet.com> gmgraves@aimnet.com "George Graves" writes:
> 
> > Caesar wrote:
> > >
> > > Something to worry American white racists is that the US population
> > > is becoming steadily more non-white.
> > >
> > > 75% of Americans are classified by the census department as white
> > > now. This is forcast to fall to just 50% of the population by
> > > the middle of the next century. Hispanics will be
> > > one quarter of the US population by 2050.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Caesar
> >
> > Not if we can help it! These things CAN be reversed, you know. There is
> > already a BIG movement in this country to put a moritorium on
> > immigration. That'll do for a start.
> 
> What are you racists going to do about the higher black and Hispanic
> birthrate compared to whites?
> 
> Are you going to exterminate or castrate anyone who you don't
> think is white?

> Caesar

I wouldn't be in favor of either of those two alternatives. I would favor
sending them all back to their country of blood. Hispanics back to Central
America, Negroes back to Africa, Asians back to Asia. Amarinds could stay,
anyone with a European, non-Jewish background could stay. If you get the
majority of the American people mad enough about this, I could see it 
happening. There is a lot of anti-immigration sentiment out there. It didn't
have to happen either. The immigration law which allowed this crazy influx
of people from the world's sewers, was not designed to do so. It was to 
meant to make it easier for families to be reunited. Unfortunately, it was 
not worded carefully enough and the result was an unintended influx of
non-whites. I'm sure the members of the 1964 Congress who passed our 
current immigration law did not intend for this to happen.

George Graves


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evil Beavis wrote:
> 
> George Graves wrote:
> >
> > ncrccjc@ibm.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > ncrccjc@ibm.net ( ) says:
> > > >
> > > > >While George Graves and Mr. Kolding continue to defend hate-mongers and the
> > > > >vibrant democracy that is the USA, Canadians and other free thinkers around
> > > > >the world will continue to hope that America will not produce any more
> > > > >Metzgers, Macvays, and racist military types who murder Blacks.
> > > >
> > > > No-one ever "murders" niggers, pinhead. One *exterminates* them. Cause
> > > > they're dirt. Dirt that destroy civilized society, behave like wild animals
> > > > and breed all over the place.
> >
> > You twit! Mr. Kolding and I are NOT defending hate mongers. This is the
> > reason why you are arguing this point. You don't understand the difference
> > between having freedom as a RIGHT and having freedom as a PRIVILEGE.
> > Hate mongers are simply an EXAMPLE of how the two points of view or
> > doctrines differ in this respect. When freedom of speech is a RIGHT,
> > guaranteed by constitution, hate mongers (and EVERYBODY ELSE) can not,
> > under the law of the land, be enjoined from speaking /writing their opinions.
> > Also, that RIGHT can not be revoked by the government at that government's
> > whim for expediency based upon topical mores which might change again
> > in another generation. Remember, before the 1960's, views which, today,
> > are considered racist, were the rule rather than the exception. Only in
> > the last 25 or so years have people thought that saying something demeaning
> > against a non-white was a "hate-crime". In countries where the government
> > does not guarantee the individual the RIGHT of freedom of speech, that
> > freedom (and others) can be changed to fit the popular fashion. The
> > Founding Fathers knew this, and made sure that the US government didn't
> > work that way.
> > In Canada, apparently, freedom of speech is a privilege, given (and taken away)
> > at the government's whim. What might be legal and proper to say today, might
> > not be legal and proper tomorrow. Thiss is the crux of the debate. As to which
> > you prefer, that's your own business. Just make sure that your ideas and
> > feelings ALWAYS fall into the mainstream of popular and government thinking,
> > or you might just find yourself on the wrong side of that privilege.
> >
> > George Graves
> 
> Well, people condoning extermination - like Speedo - should be on the
> wrong side of "that privilege".
> 
> eB

eB shows that he doesn't understand the the subject of this debate either.
Stefan, In the USA, freedom of speech is NOT a privilege, its a RIGHT.  By
definition, Speedo's views, irrespective of how heinously thay might be 
regarded by some portion of the populace, cannot be "on the wrong side".

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> In <30EB178F.5CD1@aimnet.com>, gmgraves@aimnet.com said:
> 
> >>
> >> And Mr. Graves can tell a Jew just by looking!  This is the kind of
> >> circumstantial evidence that Mr. Graves takes seriously: vague
> >> impressions.  He never did bother to identify all of the leaders of
> >> the movement and exactly how many of them were Jewish because that
> >> would bypass his prejudice and might not yield the result he craves.
> >==================================================================== Yeah,
> >I can. I could look at a picture of you, for instance, and without even
> >knowing who it was, my reaction would be: "Oy Vey, Vat a Jew!"
> >==================================================================== >
> 
> You really are clueless, aren't you George?

> Gord McFee


Obviously I'm not as clueless are you are, Mr. Jew-dupe.

George Graves


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Harry Katz wrote:
> 
> In article <30E9222A.1266@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) confessed:
> 
>         When I was a college student, fighting for civil rights (yeah,
>         I know. I'm not too proud of it either), we would go down to
>         Mississippi and Alabama to "march" etc.
> 
> I commented:
> 
>         It looks like Mr. Graves has no independent political
>         convictions of his own, but blows in the wind.  Back when
>         radical civil rights was in vogue, he was marching right along.
>         Now that reactionary racism is in style, he changes his
>         convictions along with his hairstyle.
> 
> In article <30EB178F.5CD1@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) takes his best shot:
> 
>         Once again, Mr. Katz uses his extraordinary powers of deduction
>         to ferret out the "truth" and comes up.....WRONG AGAIN!.
> 
> If Mr. Graves will read what I wrote again, he will see the phrase,
> "It looks like..."  Unlike Mr. Graves, I do not believe that I see
> all and know all, and I am glad to be corrected if I make a mistake.
> I figured that if I was wrong Mr. Graves would correct me, and I see
> that I was right about that.
> 
>         You Jews had me when I was a kid, That much is true. But I
>         pulled back from the abyss at an early age and wised-up. I might
>         have been a Jew brainwashed liberal college kid at 18, but by
>         twenty, I had recovered (and BTW, radical civil rights was still
>         in vogue at that time, but not with me).
> 
> All very interesting, but I note that nowhere does Mr. Graves
> substantiate that any real Jews were involved in his "brain-washing,"
> although I am quite sure that all sorts of imaginary "Jews" who ppulate
> his mind were indeed involved.
> 
>         You ADMIT that reactionary racism is "in style"? Never thought
>         I'd hear a Jew say that!
> 
> In spite of his bristling at the suggestion that his political
> convictions are based on the most recent fads, Mr. Graves seems to
> think that what is "in style" is an extremely important factor.
> 
>         Do your handlers know that you have committed this - faux pas?
> 
> Just because Mr. Graves and his cronies all have handlers, does not
> mean that everyone in the world has handlers.  Unlike him, I answer
> to no one but myself.
> 
>         Tsk, tsk, tsk Mr. Katz. I'll bet you get twenty lashes with a
>         stiff carp for that one!
> 
> Well, at least one thing is certain -- it won't be Mr. Graves' "stiff
> carp!"
> 
> Mr. Graves' original post continued:
> 
>         The marchers might have been dewey-eyed liberal college kids
>         (just doin' what monkeys do), but the instigators were
>         ALL 35 year old+ JEWS (at least all of them that I saw were).
> 
> To which I replied:
> 
>         And Mr. Graves can tell a Jew just by looking!  This is the kind
>         of circumstantial evidence that Mr. Graves takes seriously:
>         vague impressions.  He never did bother to identify all of the
>         leaders of the movement and exactly how many of them were Jewish
>         because that would bypass his prejudice and might not yield the
>         result he craves.
> 
> And he responds:
> 
>         Yeah, I can. I could look at a picture of you, for instance, and
>         without even knowing who it was, my reaction would be: "Oy Vey,
>         Vat a Jew!"
> 
> As usual, when at a loss for arguments, Mr. Graves falls back on
> Jew-baiting.  Now, I would not claim to be able to determine that Mr.
> Graves is a blustering bigot just by looking at a picture, unless he
> was drooling or staring vacantly into space.  I rely on verifiable
> evidence, like his own words as recorded in these posts.
> 
> His original post continued:
> 
>         Ever notice that a large majority of TV sitcoms have black
>         casts, as if the blacks constituted a major portion of the
>         U.S. population?
> 
> I responded:
> 
>         No, but I did notice that Mr. Graves makes the most outrageous
>         assertions without a single, solitary shred of evidence.  I bet
>         he cannot tell us how many sitcoms there are on television this
>         season, much less how many are devoted to Blacks!
> 
> Which elicits this from Mr. Graves:
> 
>         I don't even care, Katz. Were it but ONE, it would be one too
>         many.
> 
> As usual, when caught in a lie the racists pretend not to care.  If
> one sitcom featuring Blacks is too many, then why not say so in the
> first place, instead of trying to con people with the
> pseudo-authoritative pronunciamento, "a large majority...!"
> 
>         I'm not running a school for anti-Jews here,...
> 
> No, but he is fishing for naive recruits for his cronies' "school for
> anti-Jews!"  And it irks him when his propaganda balloons burst so
> easily under closer examination.
> 
>         ...or compiling an encyclopedia.
> 
> Nor is he digging for the truth!
> 
>         These are my opinions, based on years of study and observation.
> 
> Based on the erroneous assumption that he can tell a Jew by looking
> at him!  In other words, every time he "observes" something he does
> not like he immediately knows it must be the work of "Jews."
> 
> Notice that Mr. Graves has promised to post his "observations" of
> "circumstantial evidence" against Jews as soon as he can organize his
> "thoughts" but still has not delivered.  He expects us to take his
> word for it that his "observations" are trustworthy -- even after he
> was caught in an erroneous "observation" and responded with, "I don't
> care!"
> 
>         I don't give a rat's ass for quoting the kind of 'chapter and
>         verse' bibliography for which you and your trained lackeys are
>         always asking.
> 
> Naturally, when one does not "give a rat's ass" for the truth what is
> the point of documenting it?
> 
>         (why bother, none of you would check 'em out anyway.) Its just
>         mental masturbation. I could say anything.
> 
> He already has demonstrated this skill when he said, "a large
> majority," without the slightest care as to its truth!  But he is
> wrong about checking his statements out.  I called him on it and here
> he is backing down, though not very gracefully.
> 
>         Like: "American Network TV Schedule, 1995-1996:  A Complete
>         Listing by Show With Key Personnel" Published by A. H. Nielsen
>         and Company, New York.  You schmucks would never know the
>         difference.
> 
> Les Griswold has tried that gambit many a time, and he has always
> been caught red-handed!  Mr. Graves knows he would fare no better, so
> instead of actually doing it, he creates this fantasy where he does
> it and gets away with it.  Then he tries to palm this fantasy off on
> the internet!
> 
>         But that would be lying
> 
> That has never stopped him before!
> 
> My last post continued:
> 
>         Does Mr. Graves expect us to believe that these shows are not on
>         the air because they make money?  That Jewish producers are
>         going broke promoting Black sitcoms out of principle?  Wasn't
>         "The Cosby Show" rated number one among all audiences for
>         many years?
> 
> To which he responds:
> 
>         Yeah, and they could make EVEN more money with WHITE sitcoms.
>         Simple demographics would show that there are more TV watching
>         white families than there are black, just by sheer numbers
>         alone.
> 
> Mr. Graves missed my last sentence about the Cosby Show.  Despite his
> "simple demographics" -- actually, simple-minded demographics -- most
> "White" families preferred to watch Bill Cosby to any other sitcom.
> 
> The problem is that Mr. Graves insists on stereotyping "White" people
> as well as Blacks and Jews.  Mr. Graves would like to deprive those
> of us who enjoy the performances of talented entertainers of our
> freedom of choice based on his personal taste, or lack thereof.
> 
> But why does Mr. Graves ignore the obvious preferences of his own
> race?  He unwittingly answers this question himself, though he is
> projecting:
> 
>         But that doesn't advance the agenda does it Katz?
> 
> Only the truth -- something that Mr. Graves does not "give a rat's ass"
> for -- will advance my agenda.
> 
> My original rebuttal continued:
> 
>         Not to mention that Mr. Graves is not about to list the names of
>         all television sitcom producers who have created Black sitcoms
>         so we can have some perspective.  No, he will only list...
>         four Jewish producers and ignore the dozens of others who are
>         not Jewish.
> 
> Mr. Graves responds:
> 
>         Katzy,...
> 
> "Katzy..."  So far, this is Mr. Graves' most intelligent and
> effective argument!
> 
>         ...those names are available to ANYBODY with a TV who cares
>         enough to watch the wretched shows...
> 
> Which makes it all the more suspicious that Mr. Graves cannot be
> bothered to actually prove his case!  But he will probably come back
> with the same argument he uses above:  He really doesn't care and
> even one Jewish producer is too many!  You would think that
> television was a branch of the federal government, not a private,
> profitable business.
> 
>         ...(they aren't funny. That's AN OPINION and a fact).
> 
> This is Mr. Graves' whole problem in a nutshell!  He cannot
> distinguish between opinion and fact, or between fantasy and
> reality.  But even if his taste were impeccable, cynics have been
> carping ever since television began that it is an intellectual
> wasteland.  Nevertheless, the public decides, and if Mr. Graves
> thinks he has a message worth paying for, then he can start his own
> production company.
> 
>         I mentioned a couple, but why waste the space to mention
>         'em all.
> 
> Perhaps to prove that the "couple" he mentioned are not "all of them!"
> Unless, of course, he cannot prove any such thing.
> 
>         The point is made.
> 
> Indeed!  The point is made that Mr. Graves evades the point.
> 
>         (ever get the idea that I don't take Katz and his backpedeling
>         very seriously?
> 
> I am crushed, truly.  I thought that Mr. Graves went out of his way
> to slander Jews and Judaism just so he could hear from me.
> 
> But I get the feeling that Mr. Graves does not take his own
> reputation very seriously, telling bald and transparent lies and
> foaming at the mouth whenever I point them out.
> 
>         He's like a plasterer trying to cover a crack in the ceiling
>         that just keeps going, and going, and going..........)
> 
> Whereas Mr. Graves is like the man whose roof had so many holes in it
> he didn't have enough pots, pans, and pails to catch the water that
> leaked in when it rained.  When a friend asked why he didn't fix the
> roof, he answered, "I can't because it's raining out!"  When asked
> why he didn't fix it when it stopped raining, he replied, "When it's
> not raining, the roof doesn't leak, you damned fool!"
> 
> --
> Harry Katz
> 
> Go to sleep without supper, but rise without debt.
>         -- The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.

Nice backpedaling there, Katzy. I'm not going to bother answering each
point here, because we have covered this ground over and over. I will 
say, however, that NOTHING I have ever posted here is a lie. I would
use false "references" if I wanted to lie, and believe me, I am clever
enough to do it so that you couldn't check them out. But I would never
do that. We both have an agenda. Yours is to keep the conspiracy hidden
at all costs. Mine is to get people to look for it and thereby expose it.
I am happy to report that my results are encouraging. I have had at least
20 people write me an E-mail note thanking me for lifting the veil from
their eyes. I'm only one person, but if those twenty convince twenty, and
each of those twenty convince twenty.........

George Graves


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Mark Staloff wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : Depends on its source. I know a high placed Hollywood Jew who is head
> : of one of the bigger trades guilds there. He admits the existence of the
> : conspiracy freely, and he isn't kidding, he means it. Have had some really
> : interesting discussions with him about it, so I do believe him.
> 
> George,
> 
>    The guy was pulling your leg.
> 
> Mark

Mark,

No, he isn't!

George Graves


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evil Beavis wrote:
> 
> R.C. Richards wrote:
> >
> > George Graves  wrote:
> >
> > >Well, Les, I always say that there are two types of people in the world:
> > >racists and liars. When I meet a multiculturalist, I always ask: 'Which
> > >are you?' It jams 'em up, because deep down inside they KNOW the real
> > >answer, but their brainwashing will never let them admit it. They are
> > >dishonest to themselves and to everyone about them. In short, they're a
> > >mess!
> >
> > george has hit the nail on the head!  anybody ever notice how the libs
> > are real quick to make sure you know they ain't nigras.  whenever we
> > get a new lib on the group, that's the first thing the lib wants to
> > make sure we're clear on.  second, only like one or two libs have
> > admitted to race mixing--ie, having nigras over to their house--robby
> > cascardden and raggedy.  the rest of the libs have about as much
> > experience with nigras as a man on the moon.  i've always said that
> > deep down the libs don't like nigras any more than anybody else, but
> > they think it's politically correct to pretend like they do.
> >
> > in loyal service to the white race,
> >
> > R.C. Richards, Racial Theorist
> 
> I for one merely stated I am white because as soon as I made it clear that I
> think your delusions about "supremacy" are idiotic, you automatically assumed
> I had to be black. Furthermore, I don't think I would go trough the trouble
> to marry someone just to prove I'm politically correct. I think that
> political correctness has been blown way out of proportion in this country,
> but that doesn't mean you have to accept extremism on the opposite side
> either.
> 
> eB

But Stefan, if race means nothing why would you care if Les 
or anyone else "assumed you were black"?

George Graves


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Caesar wrote:
> 
> In article <30EA95DC.37A1@aimnet.com> gmgraves@aimnet.com "George Graves" writes:
> 
> > Steve Withers wrote:
> > >
> > > >> >I find it
> > > >> >facinating that practically every free and democratic nation on Earth has
> > > >> >formulated legislation to deal with Hatemongers. Countrys such as Great
> > > >> >Britain, France, Austrailia, New Zealand, Belgium, Holland, Sweden,
> > > >> >Switzerland and Germany to name a few all have anti-hate laws.
> > > >>
> > > >> Those "Hatemongers" have a damn good reason to *hate*. Which is why
> > > >> anti-immigrant parties are gaining a steady increase in popularity in
> > > >> those very same countries.
> > >
> > > Whoever this troll was...........New Zealand has no 'anti-immigration'
> > > party that I know of.
> > >
> > > The party currently in power (National Party) is probably the most
> > > PRO immigration party.
> >
> > Oh, so they got to New Zealand too? Today, and idyllic island paradise
> > in the South Pacific, tomorrow a cesspool of multiculturalism. Add
> > one more ruined white country to the list.

> > George Graves
> 
> Maoris lived in New Zealand before whites.
> 

> Caesar

Indians lived in North America before whites.

George Graves


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Mark Zajac wrote:
> 
>                         RACE, SEX BIAS
>                         **************
> Rights Commission offers glimpse of chilling future for white males in
> its hiring policy . . .
> 
> 
>   THE FACE OF ONTARIO'S FUTURE IS NON-WHITE AND FEMALE AND A PLACE
>                         WHERE RIGHTS ARE . . . WRONG
> 
>                 by Christie Blatchford
>                 Toronto Sun, Fri. August 26, 1994, page 5
> 
>         The Ontario Human Rights Commission - often touted as a model
> of employment equity - has been systematically and deliberately
> discriminating against white English speaking men, statistics in a
> recent report show.
>         And what's more, even though oly abut 9% of its workforce are
> white men - who form 40% of Ontario's population - other documents
> prove the commission is hellbent on hiring even more racial minorities
> and aboriginals and on making employment equity a crucial part of a
> major restructuring now under way.
>         Less than a week before Bob Rae's controversial Employment
> Equity Act comes into force for the public service, the results of the
> organizations's recently completed "employment systems review" put the
> lie to the notion that employment equity is always about fairness.
>         Employment equity, which becomes mandatory for large private-
> sector firms next March, is SUPPOSED to see to it that the five
> so-called "designated groups" - women, the disabled, aboriginal people,
> Francophones and racial minorities - are fairly represented.
>         White English-speaking men are referred to as the
> "non-designated group."
>         Usually, equity advocates use census results to argue, for
> example, that because the disabled make up about 7% of the general
> population, they should also compose 7% of every work force.
>         The assumption has always been that once barriers have been
> "removed" for the designated groups and fairness achieved, mandatory
> equity programs would cease.
>         But at the commission, there's no equity for white men - and
> none planned for the future, either.
>         The statistics which form the "workforce profile" released last
> March are revealing enough.
>         They show, among other things, that women and racial minorities
> are wildly over-represented among the commission staff.
>         Women make up 50% of Ontario's population, but they form 67% of
> the commission's workforce, while minorities, who form about 9%, are
> represented at more than four times that rate - about 38% - at the
> commission.
>         Aboriginal people, who form 1.7% of the population, have more
> than twice that representation - 3.9% - at the commission.
> 
>         But the Sun has also learned other shocking facts.  Among them:
> 
> * White men are totally absent fromt he commission's "senior management
>   group";
> * In some commission offices outside Metro, particularly in the
>   Northern Region, there are NO white men on staff;
> * There are NO white men working in the influential jobs on the
>   executive directors' or the commissioner's staff;
> * There are no white men employed in the policy branch of the
>   commission;
> * There have been virtually no white men promoted in recent years, and
>   of the few hired, virtually all had so much seniority in government
>   they couldn't be denied the jobs.
> * The over-representation by racial minorities and women was first
>   revealed in a 1989 "I count" survey, which showed the two groups had,
>   respectively, 40% and 68% of commission jobs.
> 
> But while the number of Francophones has almost doubled since then, the
> plight of the ordinary white male who ISN'T French has only worsened.
>         The commission is also in the midst of a sweeping restructuring
> and according to a 26-page report just released to staff a week ago,
> employment equity remains "an organizational priority".
>         The restructuring may see some jobs eliminated, the report says
> and if any competitionsa re held as a result, equity will be a PRIME
> consideration.
>         Staff who are deemed "job-threatened" or "surplus" will be
> allowed to compete for their redefined positon or a new one, but equity
> will be a factor in whether or not they get it.
>         Management has also recently approved much of a sweeping set of
> recommendations from the commission's active anti-racism committee; two
> of its goals are to see "and increase in aboriginal" and "racial
> minority staff."
>         It's quite clear that if the commission is a glimpse of the
> future for Ontario under employment equity, the fact of the future is
> female and non-white.
> [End of Article]

The same thing is happening in all white countries. The US government has
similar policies.  Anywhere that there is a white majority, running a fine
country with a high standard of living and low crime, the Jew MUST get 
into and destroy. This is but another case in point.

George Graves


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Caesar wrote:
> 
> In article <30EA95DC.37A1@aimnet.com> gmgraves@aimnet.com "George Graves" writes:
> 
> > Steve Withers wrote:
> > >
> > > >> >I find it
> > > >> >facinating that practically every free and democratic nation on Earth has
> > > >> >formulated legislation to deal with Hatemongers. Countrys such as Great
> > > >> >Britain, France, Austrailia, New Zealand, Belgium, Holland, Sweden,
> > > >> >Switzerland and Germany to name a few all have anti-hate laws.
> > > >>
> > > >> Those "Hatemongers" have a damn good reason to *hate*. Which is why
> > > >> anti-immigrant parties are gaining a steady increase in popularity in
> > > >> those very same countries.
> > >
> > > Whoever this troll was...........New Zealand has no 'anti-immigration'
> > > party that I know of.
> > >
> > > The party currently in power (National Party) is probably the most
> > > PRO immigration party.
> >
> > Oh, so they got to New Zealand too? Today, and idyllic island paradise
> > in the South Pacific, tomorrow a cesspool of multiculturalism. Add
> > one more ruined white country to the list.

> > George Graves
> 
> Maoris lived in New Zealand before whites.
> 

> Caesar

Indians lived in North America before whites.

George Graves


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Mark Zajac wrote:
> 
>                         RACE, SEX BIAS
>                         **************
> Rights Commission offers glimpse of chilling future for white males in
> its hiring policy . . .
> 
> 
>   THE FACE OF ONTARIO'S FUTURE IS NON-WHITE AND FEMALE AND A PLACE
>                         WHERE RIGHTS ARE . . . WRONG
> 
>                 by Christie Blatchford
>                 Toronto Sun, Fri. August 26, 1994, page 5
> 
>         The Ontario Human Rights Commission - often touted as a model
> of employment equity - has been systematically and deliberately
> discriminating against white English speaking men, statistics in a
> recent report show.
>         And what's more, even though oly abut 9% of its workforce are
> white men - who form 40% of Ontario's population - other documents
> prove the commission is hellbent on hiring even more racial minorities
> and aboriginals and on making employment equity a crucial part of a
> major restructuring now under way.
>         Less than a week before Bob Rae's controversial Employment
> Equity Act comes into force for the public service, the results of the
> organizations's recently completed "employment systems review" put the
> lie to the notion that employment equity is always about fairness.
>         Employment equity, which becomes mandatory for large private-
> sector firms next March, is SUPPOSED to see to it that the five
> so-called "designated groups" - women, the disabled, aboriginal people,
> Francophones and racial minorities - are fairly represented.
>         White English-speaking men are referred to as the
> "non-designated group."
>         Usually, equity advocates use census results to argue, for
> example, that because the disabled make up about 7% of the general
> population, they should also compose 7% of every work force.
>         The assumption has always been that once barriers have been
> "removed" for the designated groups and fairness achieved, mandatory
> equity programs would cease.
>         But at the commission, there's no equity for white men - and
> none planned for the future, either.
>         The statistics which form the "workforce profile" released last
> March are revealing enough.
>         They show, among other things, that women and racial minorities
> are wildly over-represented among the commission staff.
>         Women make up 50% of Ontario's population, but they form 67% of
> the commission's workforce, while minorities, who form about 9%, are
> represented at more than four times that rate - about 38% - at the
> commission.
>         Aboriginal people, who form 1.7% of the population, have more
> than twice that representation - 3.9% - at the commission.
> 
>         But the Sun has also learned other shocking facts.  Among them:
> 
> * White men are totally absent fromt he commission's "senior management
>   group";
> * In some commission offices outside Metro, particularly in the
>   Northern Region, there are NO white men on staff;
> * There are NO white men working in the influential jobs on the
>   executive directors' or the commissioner's staff;
> * There are no white men employed in the policy branch of the
>   commission;
> * There have been virtually no white men promoted in recent years, and
>   of the few hired, virtually all had so much seniority in government
>   they couldn't be denied the jobs.
> * The over-representation by racial minorities and women was first
>   revealed in a 1989 "I count" survey, which showed the two groups had,
>   respectively, 40% and 68% of commission jobs.
> 
> But while the number of Francophones has almost doubled since then, the
> plight of the ordinary white male who ISN'T French has only worsened.
>         The commission is also in the midst of a sweeping restructuring
> and according to a 26-page report just released to staff a week ago,
> employment equity remains "an organizational priority".
>         The restructuring may see some jobs eliminated, the report says
> and if any competitionsa re held as a result, equity will be a PRIME
> consideration.
>         Staff who are deemed "job-threatened" or "surplus" will be
> allowed to compete for their redefined positon or a new one, but equity
> will be a factor in whether or not they get it.
>         Management has also recently approved much of a sweeping set of
> recommendations from the commission's active anti-racism committee; two
> of its goals are to see "and increase in aboriginal" and "racial
> minority staff."
>         It's quite clear that if the commission is a glimpse of the
> future for Ontario under employment equity, the fact of the future is
> female and non-white.
> [End of Article]

The same thing is happening in all white countries. The US government has
similar policies.  Anywhere that there is a white majority, running a fine
country with a high standard of living and low crime, the Jew MUST get 
into and destroy. This is but another case in point.

George Graves


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Mark Staloff wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : As I have said earlier, I don't how how Zionists recruit their "soldiers".
> : But what YOU are intimating is like an Italian-American saying : Gee, I'm
> : Sicilian by blood, but the Mafia has never tried to recruit me. That must
> : mean that there is no Mafia." Sorry, that won't do.
> 
> Er, not quite.  The "Jewish conspiracy" implies that it's done on behalf
> of the Jewish people by the Jewish people.  The mafia may be dominated by
> italians but it doesn't have a specifially Italian goal, it mostly exists
> just to enrich its followers (and was since copied by Jews, Irish,
> Chinese, etc.)
> 
> Mark

The goals of these individual "organizations" is not the point of this 
comparison. The goal is to show that just because one is not privy to
an organization of and by one's own people is not evidence that the 
organization doesn't exist. It is simply evidence that one has not been
asked to join.

George Graves


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Marty Kelley wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 5 Jan 1996, George Graves wrote:
> 
> > Mr Richard Ethan Latker wrote:
> > >
> >

> 
> (By the way, are you familiar with the late goofball preacher, the
> Reverend Tony Alamo?  He insisted, with every bit as much vehemence and
> evidence as you have, that the Master Conspiracy was actually run by the
> Vatican.  His theory was that the Pope wrote the Protocols of the Elders
> of Zion, laying out the Vatican's plans in detail but attributing them to
> the Jews, to hide the actual *Catholic* conspiracy for world domination.
> Have you considered the possibility that your "Jewish" friend is actually
> a Jesuit agent sent to throw you off the path of Truth and Righteousness?)
> 
> ----------------------
> Marty Kelley  (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU)

With his name and looks I doubt it.

George Graves
>


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From: George Graves 
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Orest Slepokura wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura) wrote:
> 
> > In article <30E472CB.414E@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Frank Weltner wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > The world would have probably forgotten about him [i.e. Adolf Hiter]
> > > by now if the Jews didn't do a holocaust show on PBS, Discovery, TLC, or
> > > A&E at least once a week (or so it seems).
> > >
> > > George Graves
> >
> > __________________________________________
> > I wrote:
> >.
> (wasn't it Rabbi Jakovits who called the Holocaust a "big business"?).
> 
> In fact, that should've been the British Lord Chief Rabbi Sir Immanuel
> Jakobovits; here's what he said concerning the Holocaust [The Jerusalem
> Post, Nov. 26, 1987]:
> 
> "An entire industry, with handsome profits for writers, researchers,
> filmmakers, monument builders, museum planners, politiciens and even some
> rabbis and theologians were partners in this big business industry."
> 
> In other words, the Holocaust is big business, a growth industry.

Except that overexposure risks apathy. The "power' in the holocaust as 
a story is in its shock value. If you tell the story too much, people become
immune to its shock value and say: "Gimme that TV guide, ain't there nothin'
else on but this Nazi-killin'-Jews shit? Christ, I'm tired o' that crap. They
run something about it every week."
The danger here, is that by pumping this stuff week in and week out, people
get to the point where they don't care anymore. Its called overplaying one's
hand, and the Jews have done it with this particular subject. I was 
watching some newsfeeds on my satellite TV system a couple of months
ago, and some CNN reporter was interviewing some Israeli teenagers. When
asked about the holocaust, their answers were something like: Yeah, it was
awful, I guess, but it doesn't have anything to do with us or our generation.
we don't really care that much. I didn't put quotes around the preceding, 
because I am paraphrasing and compositing two sentences from several
interviews. irrespective of that, this was the general tenor of their 
comments. So even Israeli kids, whose government sees the holocaust as 
THE defining event in all of their history, have become apathetic to it
due to overexposure. 

George Graves


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Marty Kelley wrote:
> 
> On 6 Jan 1996, Charles R.L. Power wrote:
> 
> > George Graves  writes:
> >
> > >Harry Katz wrote:
> >
> > Am I imagining things, or is it revisionists who are always too damned
> > stupid to edit messages to which they are replying? Don't they ever learn
> > the elementary point of netiquette that it's shit-brained to clog up the
> > newsgroup with long messages that are over 50% cite?
> 
> I pointed the same thing out to Mr. Graves, and he replied, rather
> testily, 
====================================================================
Sorry friend, I wasn't being testy about my editing of posts, I was being
testy about being E-mailed on what should have been an NG matter. I don't
like E-mail on these matters because it then becomes a private debate,
which, other than giving vent to each participant's spleen, does nothing
for the NG.

George Graves
=====================================================================
that he re-posted EVERYTHING as a matter of "courtesy" so that
> newcomers tot he conversation would see everything in context.  He
> apparently failed to consider that those already following a thread (the
> majority of readers, I'd assume) would have to wade through tons of dross
> to find his new contributions.  He's not quite as bad as Tom Moran, who
> re-posts entire FAQs with only a one-line comment, but he's close.
> 
> As for figuring out the context of a given thread: it's fairly easy,
> especially since most posts (depending on one's server) stay around for
> several days.  And if something important has been missed, it's OK to ask
> for a re-post.
> 
> To add to what I said before, even if we can't all just get along, could we
> at least PLEASE use our goddamn text editors?
> 
> ----------------------
> Marty Kelley  (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU)
> 
> "I loathe people who keep dogs.  They are cowards who haven't
> got the guts to bite people themselves" --August Strindberg


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Frank Weltner wrote:
> 
> Give the Jews a break. They have suffered a great deal, and they were very
> good people.
> 
Frank, why don't you ask yourself the REAL question. WHY have they suffered
a great deal? Could it be that they have done something to cause this suffering
to be visited upon them? 

George Graves


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> >

> > > > George Graves  wrote:
> >
> > So right, so right! Both of you are absolutely correct. To Robby and Raggedy,
> > though, you'll have to add 'evil Beavis' the twit from Sweden who has
> > a black girlfriend whom he says he is going to marry.
> >
> > George Graves

evil Beavis (eB) Wrote:

> Again, how exactly do you define me as a "liberal". The labels being used in
> political discussions in this country today are extremely misused. Are you a
> liberal because you do not like racism and ethnocentrism??
==========================================================================
Yes. Multiculturalism is part and parcel of the liberal ethos.
==========================================================================
> Besides, what is wrong with marrying anyone - within or out of your race? It
> seems to me that if you find someone you like and are compatible with as far
> as ideas, goals etc. goes you marry them.
===========================================================================
Because your issue will be mongrels. By breeding with a black woman, irrespective
of her qualities as a human being, you are throwing your racial and cultural 
heritage away. In essence, you are thumbing your nose at your ancestors. Honestly, 
Stephan, are you telling me that there are so few young, single white women
where you are, that you have go outside of your own people to find a mate? I find
that difficult to believe.
=========================================================================== 
> Furthermore, I have never said that I like or dislike certain "minorities"
> (who is a minority obviously depends on what country you're talking about). I
> merely like some people and dislike others - their color is not an issue I
> base this upon.
===========================================================================
Liking or disliking individuals is NOT the question here. I have met people of 
all races that I have liked AS INDIVIDUALS. I have also met people of all races
who I did NOT like. But when one group shows that AS A GROUP, they are not able
to join the civilisation in which they live, even when that civilisation has bent
over backwards to accomodate them (as this country has with Affirmative Action
and reverse racism). When they show themselves as predators and criminals who
take from that civilisation FAR more than they put into it, then they have to be 
dealt with and harshly!. Its like this: You buy a cat to keep the mouse population in 
your house under control. This he does. But when your back is turned, he eats your
parakeet, scratches the baby, and bites the dog. The question then becomes: is it 
worth putting up with a dead parakeet, a baby who now needs a tetnus shot, and a 
dog who has been traumatized simply to get a few mice eradicated? Is the cat's
contribution to the household worth his negative impact on the household? The 
answer, of course, is no. Get rid if the cat, and buy mousetraps. The contention
of we, whom you call racists, is that blacks not only don't pull their weight in
this society, but that they have a terribly negative impact on the community. We
not only have to support a large percentage of them, but they repay us by committing
crimes against us. Even the US government, which has institutionalized the concept
of helping blacks through its various programs says that if you factor black, Asian
and Hispanic crime out of the U.S. crime statistics, that the U.S.A would have the 
lowest crime rate in THE WORLD! I would like to see this be the case. I remember
when it was. 
============================================================================
> I have no problems with multi-culturalism whatsoever, no matter how you keep
> dreaming of racially pure nations I believe that it is an unattainable utopia
> you are obsessed with. Multi-culturalism has always existed and I think that
> isolationism rather than integration will be the downfall of any
> civilization. Civilizations might prosper for a limited time without it, but
> in order to survive, it has to adapt and incorporate.
===========================================================================
That's not the point. Mexicans are fine people, in Mexico. Chinese are fine people
in China. Black Africans might be fine people in their native Africa living a 
traditional lifestyle. They just don't belong here or in Europe. These are white
civilisations. I say white not in the color context, but in the social and cultural
context. I have nothing against Japan's success, for instance, but having been there,
I can tell you that I would not want to, nor could I, live with their culture. They have
a system that works, but it wouldn't work for me, and I doubt that it would work
for you. I don't go to Japan, or Singapore, or Hong-Kong and try to start a new
life, why should they come here? I guarantee you that it is getting to the point
where they are not going to find a better life in this country than they did in
their own, because the burden that multicultural immigration is putting on our
infrastructure is pulling it down. Soon, Americans, who once had the highest
standard of living in the world, will be a third-world country where no one has 
any quality of life. My ancestors built this country. They carved this nation out
of nothing, so that we Americans could live better with each successive 
generation. Why would I want to dissipate this by letting people who don't
share our sense of identity, don't share our goals, or our culture, drag us down
to the level of the place from whence they came? 
We have a responsibility to incoporate the black into this society, because he
is a multi-generational American. But if it proves not possible, where does that
responsibility end, Stefan? How long do you beat your head against the wall trying
to solve an unsolvable problem or untie the Gordian Knot before you call it a day?
These are the real questions here Stefan. Questions that need to be addressed
and soon.
==================================================================================== 
> I know you like to bring up Japan as a society that supposedly thrives on
> isloationism and racial purity, but this is abviously not true. I am sure you
> are aware of the fact that it was incorporation of western ideas that led to
> the rise of a might Japan prior to WWII as well as incorporation of western
> and east Asian ideals and traditions that have made prosperity and
> development possible in places such as Japan and Singapore today. People have
> lots to learn from each other and I seriously doubt that  a few paranoid
> isolationists like the ones in the U.S. - Buchanan etc. - will change that.
> The world is shrinking whether you like it or not.
================================================================================
Stefan you are confusing the concept of learning what an alien culture has to offer, and 
incorporating it into your own culture with mixing with that culture. They are not the 
same. Japan took from the west what it needed to build a modern infrastructure and a
modern national economy. They did not need to move large populations around or get into
bed with westerners to accomplish that task. Same with Singapore and Hong-Kong and 
all of the other Pacific-Rim "minidragons". Some of these, such as Singapore, are outwardly
multicultural. But in Singapore's case it isn't really. The Chinese are at the top of the 
hierarchy, and the rest form a cast system with the Indians at the bottom. Is that what
you advocate for this culture? Multiculturalism has been tried many times over the 
course of human history, and it has never worked in the past. What makes you think 
that it will work now or in the future?


George Graves
============================================================================= 
> 
> eB
>


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Hilary Ostrov wrote:
> 
> In <30ED159A.6F66@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> >[...] Since the Jews are in favor of curbing anyone's
> >ideas which differ from their agenda, they think that everybody believes
> >this way. It never occurs to Jews that there are people who take liberty
> >of thought seriously eneough to have principles about it, since they have
> >no such principles.
> 
> And the evidence which would substantiate these serious deficiencies
> in all Jewish people is no doubt included in Mr. Graves' non-existent
> post (promised by January 1/96) of his "at least a dozen examples" of
> "circumstantial evidence" of "the Jewish conspiracy".

You jews and Jew-dupes keep refering to the evidence that I said I
would post by 1/1/96. I posted that evidence the week of Dec. 24. 
Many have seen it and commented on it. If you missed it, that's
your problem, but don't keep telling others on this NG that I didn't
keep my word, because I did. Just another lie to add to the fabric
of falsehood and deceit which holds together the Zionist Conspiracy.

George Graves


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Michael Paterson wrote:
> 
> I notice the term Aryan being bandied about in this sewage group, so I
> thought I might bring aid and comfort to those who claim to be of
> Aryan descent.
> 
> The Aryan people comprise everyone who speaks an Aryan language, more
> commonly called Indo-European today. As our "racial theorists" will
> know of course, Arya is a Sanskrit word meaning prince and was applied
> to the people of Iran, itself a corruption of the word Aryan.

>>Many lines of lunatic, probably drunken, ravings deleted for brevity.<<

> There now, a good Gaelic cursing. I feel much better. Now we'll wait
> and see if there really is a God and whether he'll act on my
> suggestions.  Is there anything else I can teach you about how to hate
> properly?
> 
> Bad luck to you all!
> 
> Micheil Rob Mac Phadruig
> druidh/duine-uasail

OK, you don't like us. Fine, what's your point? If you don't like it here on 
this NG, and if we are so unimportant, why waste your breath. Its easy.
IF YOU DON"T LIKE WHAT"S GOING ON HERE, DON"T COME HERE!!!!!

and BTW, you're a twat.


George Graves


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Chaz wrote:
> 
> Well said Lucien!
> 
> I would like to say however that myths contain an underlying element of
> truth. The concept of racial inferiorty does not meet that criteria, it
> being falsehood.

That's an assumption. Prove that race as a criteria for 
judging superiority of inferiority is a falsehood, please.


George Graves


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ncrccjc@ibm.net wrote:
> 
> > ncrccjc@ibm.net ( ) says:
> >
> > >While George Graves and Mr. Kolding continue to defend hate-mongers and the
> > >vibrant democracy that is the USA, Canadians and other free thinkers around
> > >the world will continue to hope that America will not produce any more
> > >Metzgers, Macvays, and racist military types who murder Blacks.
> >
> > No-one ever "murders" niggers, pinhead. One *exterminates* them. Cause
> > they're dirt. Dirt that destroy civilized society, behave like wild animals
> > and breed all over the place.

You twit! Mr. Kolding and I are NOT defending hate mongers. This is the 
reason why you are arguing this point. You don't understand the difference 
between having freedom as a RIGHT and having freedom as a PRIVILEGE. 
Hate mongers are simply an EXAMPLE of how the two points of view or
doctrines differ in this respect. When freedom of speech is a RIGHT, 
guaranteed by constitution, hate mongers (and EVERYBODY ELSE) can not,
under the law of the land, be enjoined from speaking /writing their opinions.
Also, that RIGHT can not be revoked by the government at that government's
whim for expediency based upon topical mores which might change again
in another generation. Remember, before the 1960's, views which, today, 
are considered racist, were the rule rather than the exception. Only in 
the last 25 or so years have people thought that saying something demeaning
against a non-white was a "hate-crime". In countries where the government
does not guarantee the individual the RIGHT of freedom of speech, that
freedom (and others) can be changed to fit the popular fashion. The 
Founding Fathers knew this, and made sure that the US government didn't
work that way.
In Canada, apparently, freedom of speech is a privilege, given (and taken away)
at the government's whim. What might be legal and proper to say today, might
not be legal and proper tomorrow. Thiss is the crux of the debate. As to which
you prefer, that's your own business. Just make sure that your ideas and 
feelings ALWAYS fall into the mainstream of popular and government thinking,
or you might just find yourself on the wrong side of that privilege.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: Kleim the Kook and Messiah of the neoKooks
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Wandering wrote:
> 
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : One of the many things that's strange about liberals is that they tell us
> : to get out and see the real world, and then when we DO, and report what
> : we've encountered, some priss will come along and sneer that empirical
> : observations don't count, or that our sample size was insufficient to draw
> : proper (ie, non-racist) conclusions, or some other such twaddle.
> 
> Les, Les... there you go again, mistaking your delusions for the "real
> world". (Oops, there goes liberal me, sneering at you again -- actually, I'm
> more of a patriopsychotic anarchomaterialist, but since you seem to define
> "liberal" as anyone who doesn't agree with you, then I'm a liberal.)
> 
> I can't say as I can exactly trust your definition of twaddle, however; let
> me lay it out for you:
> 
> The way logic works for the rest of us is that we look at evidence and draw
> conclusions from it. You and the rest of your fellow travellers seem to have
> it backwards; you start with a conclusion ("Jews/blacks/non-'whites' are
> hateful, vile, omnipresent, smug, et blarf") and then look for evidence to
> support it. Ontologically putting the cart before the horse, it's no wonder
> that you "think" the way you do.
> 
> Actually, the plain fact is that we're laughing at you, boy. We're laughing,
> and pointing, and wondering when you'll wake up to the fact that you're
> blaming all of your shortcomings on people who couldn't give a rat's kidneys
> about your so-called philosophy. You're a biitter old man of whatever your
> age is, and it's sad -- really sad to see you and the rest of you poor
> misunderstood conspiracists wither and die in the self-consuming rage of
> your own hatred. Too bad... it really didn't have to be this way... if only
> someone could have loved you, maybe you'd be happier... Oh, well.

It would be really interesting to see what people like this would say if
it turned out that in spite of our "faulty" scientific methodology, we turned
out to be right. But of course, the multiculturalists here would never stop
to consider that possibility. They have made up their minds in the other
direction. They say that they have come to their conclusions based upon
correct methodology. Well, all I can say is paleantologists used correct
scientific methodology when they came up with the theory that dinosaurs
were cold-blooded (or rather exothermic) too. But they were wrong because
in spite of the fact that they were using the best scientific methodology
to form their conclusions, they overlooked great amounts of evidence to
the contrary because THEY DIDN"T THINK THE INFORMATION WAS IMPORTANT!
Moral? Using correct methodology to form opinions only works when you
use ALL OF THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE as part of your hypothesis. 
Methodology is only a part of the equation. Many learned men have arrived
at very faulty conclusions using very proper scientific methods.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: Liberals ARE dinosaurs! (was: Kleim the Kook...)
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_LadyAngel_ wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> > George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) writes:

SNIP
> > > Moral? Using correct methodology to form opinions only works when you
> > > use ALL OF THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE as part of your hypothesis.
> > > Methodology is only a part of the equation. Many learned men have arrived
> > > at very faulty conclusions using very proper scientific methods.
> >
> > Yes, liberals seem to have an almost pathological fear of addressing
> > ANYTHING that they can't out-shout.  Mention, for example, higher negro
> > crime rates or lower IQs, and watch the excuses come pouring forth.  Or
> > suggest that not all jews are friendly little guys, and watch the
> > name-calling erupt.  But they can never provide any observations of
> > substance, mostly because they know that they are being intellectually
> > dishonest.
> >
> > Les
> 
> the only person who is being dishonest, is you.. being that you don't
> shit about whats going on outside your own little world, and thats sad,
> for someone who claims to know who the hell a nation is for, what
> principles lie behind it.
> 
> ..from not only a liberal.. but a radical..
> 
> irene


And, it seems, an idiot.

George Graves


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Mark Staloff wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : The Israelis maintain that Israel is the homeland, the "promised land",
> : if you will, for all Jews. I dare say that more than 90% of the population
> : of Israel is in the same boat as you: They had never been there, didn't
> : speak Hebrew, Their homes were Poland, Austria, Romania, MInsk, New
> : Jersey, California. It didn't stop them from "going home".
> 
> That's nice for them.  I don't quibble with Israel's existence.  I just
> don't like the idea of someone else thinking they have the right to
> compel *me* to live elsewhere when I was born here, same as you.  I don't
> say that you should go back to England, or whatever applies.
> 
> Mark

I'll make a deal with you. You go "back" to Israel, All of the Paki's and 
blacks in England go back to the Caribbean and India/Pakistan, and I'll
GLADLY go back to England.

George Graves


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Frank Weltner wrote:
> 
> Give me Jews, but niggers none.

 As the old Sinatra song goes: "You won't have one without the other..."

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <30EF1E41.73E1@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > your house under control. This he does. But when your back is turned, he
> eats your
> > parakeet, scratches the baby, and bites the dog. The question then
> becomes: is it
> > worth putting up with a dead parakeet, a baby who now needs a tetnus
> shot, and a
> > dog who has been traumatized simply to get a few mice eradicated? Is the cat's
> > contribution to the household worth his negative impact on the household? The
> > answer, of course, is no. Get rid if the cat, and buy mousetraps. The
> contention
> > of we, whom you call racists, is that blacks not only don't pull their
> weight in
> > this society, but that they have a terribly negative impact on the
> community. We
> > not only have to support a large percentage of them, but they repay us
> by committing
> > crimes against us.
> 
> Poor analogy, Graves. In your philosophy, the answer to the problem of the
> cat in your house is not to deal with that one cat, but to round up all
> cats everywhere and send them back to Catland. Can you say "overkill"?
> 
> > Even the US government, which has institutionalized the concept
> > of helping blacks through its various programs says that if you factor
> black, Asian
> > and Hispanic crime out of the U.S. crime statistics, that the U.S.A
> would have the
> > lowest crime rate in THE WORLD! I would like to see this be the case.
> 
> I would like to see the US Government publication that makes this claim. I
> don't for a minute think you'll provide the citation, though; your love of
> "circumstantial" evidence is too great for you to pollute your arguments
> with facts.
====================================================================
Every year, the U.S. Department of Justice publishes its U.S. Crime Report
Statistics. They are broken down in all sorts of ways including by ethnic
group. It is an easy task to take the total numbers, subtract each group's
contrbuton that total, and vew the results. Then all one needs to do is 
compare ther resultant adjusted US crime statistic with those from other
countries which keep similar overall statistics. Is this to difficult for
you, Brown? You can obtain those statistics by writing to the the US 
Government Printing Office, Washington DC. They will be glad to provide
the 1994 report (the '95 edition isn't out yet) for a nominal sum. In fact,
If my memory doesn't fail me, someone else has posted those very stats here,
on this NG within the last 30 days, so it shouldn't be necessary for you to
go to the trouble of writing to Washington. 
===================================================================== 
> 
> Or did you see this in another Clive Cussler novel?
====================================================================
What's wrong with a little recreational reading? If you read 1/10th the
number of books that I read in a year, you'd know that most novelists base 
their plot backgrounds on reality. Everything I said about diamonds and
other gemstones can be verified in the Britannica. Just because I was first
made aware of the subject through a novel does not ivalidate it (except to
someone like you who probably hasn't read a book, either fiction or non, 
since your teacher last forced you to).
====================================================================  
> 
> > My ancestors built this country. They carved this nation out
> > of nothing, so that we Americans could live better with each successive
> > generation.
> 
> The actual labor of that 'carving' was done largely by the very Chinese
> and blacks you despise, Graves. Do they count for any more than the mules
> and oxen in your view?
=====================================================================
Absolute, unmitigated BULLSHIT. Very few southerners owned black slaves.
The Chinese helped to build the Western Pacific section of the transcon., From
Sacramento CA to Promentary Point, Utah PERIOD!!! The rest of this country
was built by Irish, German, Scandinavian and English immigrants. Unless I have
missed something, these were WHITE. If your gonna lie to make a point, lie to
sombody who doesn't know any better. This effort is an insult.
=====================================================================
> 
> > We have a responsibility to incoporate the black into this society, because he
> > is a multi-generational American. But if it proves not possible, where
> does that
> > responsibility end, Stefan? How long do you beat your head against the
> wall trying
> > to solve an unsolvable problem or untie the Gordian Knot before you call
> it a day?
> > These are the real questions here Stefan.
> 
> It would seem you've already answered that question to your own
> satisfaction, Graves. Ship 'em all back, whether or not they're
> individually guilty of anything but having the wrong color skin, and their
> rights as human beings be damned. Isn't that what you want, right now?
====================================================================
You got a better suggestion Nutzo? If so, let's hear it. This ought to be a
dilly.


George Graves
====================================================================
> 
> JGB

PS: Jesus, you assholes never learn.


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Mark Staloff wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : Does not Israel accept all Jews wishing to go "home"?
> 
> It isn't my home, in any case.  I've never been there.  I don't speak
> Hebrew.  Home is New Jersey.  I was born in the United States, same as
> you (unless - are you Canadian?), just to different parents.
> 
> Mark

The Israelis maintain that Israel is the homeland, the "promised land", 
if you will, for all Jews. I dare say that more than 90% of the population
of Israel is in the same boat as you: They had never been there, didn't
speak Hebrew, Their homes were Poland, Austria, Romania, MInsk, New
Jersey, California. It didn't stop them from "going home".

George Graves


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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Last Saturday, on a kid's show called "Gargoyles", there was an episode
> about this crippled old man (jewish, of course), who wanted to transfer
> his soul into the Golem.  There was a flash-back to 1580 in Prague,
> showing the persecution that the jews were suffering, and why some rabbi
> created the Golem in the first place.  What I found disturbing, though,
> was that the jews were all portrayed as White, while the Czechs were all
> drawn as Mongoloid little creeps.
> 
> Les

Well, of course Les, what do you expect? The Jew producers of that program
have a mandate to inculcate the children. Children are easily influenced by
simple models that they can understand. By making the goyische Czechs look
like mongoloid idiots, the point is made to the kids: Jew = GOOD, goy = BAD.
Its so simple and so obvious you have to wonder how the likes of people
such as Weltner, Brown, eB, and Crazy Jeannie can be taken in by it.

George Graves


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Aria wrote:
> 
> >
> > First of all, NO i'm not here to make a point.
> 
>   (a very coherent and sensible argument deleted for the sake of simplicity)
> 
> >
> > George Graves
> 
>    thank you.
> 
>    that is all that i really wished to know, actually.
> 
>    and i do appreciate that you didn't attack me personally in your response.
> 
>    with regards to your commentary upon the lack of social movements, i
> must confess that i am somewhat concerned that you seem to have
> conveniently discarded the fact that hundreds of thousands of young black
> males--however many there were in truth does not matter--did march upon
> Washington last year.  regardless of what your personal feelings might be
> torwards this race, it must be said that this was a definite attempt at
> getting an otherwise unmotivated group of people to take steps in the
> right direction.
> 
>    as you yourself said "irrespective of how misguided that movement may
> have been", a movement of sorts did occur; one that the organizers hope to
> repeat next year.  i won't be there (i have nothing to "atone" for), but i
> do applaud those who make any effort whatsoever to better themselves
> through peaceful means.
> 
>    agreed then: "black" people do have a long way to go before they can
> truly claim to be a boon to American society.  however, as the child of a
> black woman who served over sixteen years in the United States military,
> all i ask is that, in your rhetoric, you don't burn down the whole forest
> in an effort to clear away a few rotted trees.
> 
> 
>                                                       aria
> 
> p.s.  also agreed: my generation is generally apathetic and unaware.  it
> is a pity that, in our youth, we have been subjected to so much
> information overload--most of it trifling and pointless (the MTV
> generation is more accurate a title than Generation X), but i can only
> hope that, as we grow older and wiser, we'll be able toone day assimilate
> these wondrously advanced technologies before they fall prey to shallow
> commercial prostitution.
> 
>    regardless; i know that i will.

Aria, I think that we are in complete agreement here. I would have 
mentioned the march, but didn't know the demographics. I thought
it was mostly older dudes.

Good luck to you, and for god's sake, get out there and succeed! Make
liars out of all us racists. You do that, and I think you'll find that we 
would be among the first to slap you on the back and say, "Well Done!"

George Graves


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Mark Staloff wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : The goals of these individual "organizations" is not the point of this
> : comparison. The goal is to show that just because one is not privy to
> : an organization of and by one's own people is not evidence that the
> : organization doesn't exist. It is simply evidence that one has not been
> : asked to join.
> 
> You know, I had a similar discussion with Les about a month ago.  This
> isn't going anywhere.
> 
> I'll concede a Jewish conspiracy could conceivably exist, just as I'll
> concede that you could conceivably be Winona Ryder posting under an
> alias.  In the meantime, I'll offer you some advice.  The more you repeat
> the story your Jewish Hollywood connection told you, the more gullible
> you look.  It's unfortunate, but true.
> 
> Mark

Suit yourself

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: Movin' jews! (was: It sure as hell WASN'T!)
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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <30EEAB2D.3BBF@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <4cf0ce$lap@shiva.usa.net>, hkatz@earth.usa.net (Harry
> Katz) wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) wrote:
> > > >
> > > >         [The Nazis] cleaned out all the gold they could lay their
> > > >         filthy hands on,
> > > >
> > > > In article ,
> > > > Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) fantasized:
> > > >
> > > >         ... that had formerly been in the hands of filthy
> > > >         jewish usurers.
> > > >
> > > > I responded:
> > > >
> > > >         For those non-Jews who think they can watch from the sidelines
> > > >         and survive a neo-Nazi takeover by not making waves, consider
> > > >         Mr. Griswold's assertion above.
> >
> >
> > No, you'd rather "watch from the sidelines" and survive a Jewish takeover!
> > Remember, that "One World" and "World Government" that you keep hearing
> > about is a euphemism for "World Zionism".
> >
> > George Graves
> 
> Graves, the only reason anybody ever hears the phrases "One World" and
> "World Government" is because fruitcakes like you scream it at the top of
> their lungs. I surmise that this is a ploy to get attention. Much like a
> two-year-old's tantrum. I wondr if the "solution" to a two-year-old's
> temper tantrum would convince _you_ to stop screaming about bizarre
> conspiracy theories at the top of your lungs?
> 
> Mark

Right! You just watch as the soverienty of the United States continues
to be absorbed by the United Nations. We already have placed our troops
under its aegis in all but name. Next summer, you'll get to see U.N. troops
>from  foreign nations, wearing their blue helmets (the same blue, I might
add as the Israeli Flag -Coincidence? I wonder), patrolling the streets of
Atlanta WITH MACHINE GUNS during the Summer Olympics there. Seems to
me that someone hasn't screamed "WORLD GOVERNMENT" loudly ENOUGH.
And after America sees that really happen, I'll bet it will be more than
just "fruitcakes" like me screaming about it too!

George Graves


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Ethan Stein wrote:
> 
> George Graves  writes:
> 
> >Subj:  Re: JEWS SUE CHURCH
> >Date:  Wed, Dec 20, 1995 11:17 PM EDT
> >From:  alpert@netaxs.com
> >X-From: alpert@netaxs.com (Robert Alpert)
> >To:
> 
> >>Shove it up your ass, goy.  We Jews own you lock stock
> >>and barrel.  You should have gassed us all when you had
> >>the chance.  Far too late now.  All you fools can do is
> >>impotently beat your chests.  There is not a thing you
> >>can do to undermine the power of the Eternal Jew.
> 
> >>     Bob Alpert
> >>     alpert@netaxs.com
> 
> >This was sent to a friend of mine.
> 
> >If there was any doubt about a Jewish conspiracy before, There sure
> >shouldn't be now!
> 
> You must be kidding, George. First of all, no Jew who uses the word 'goy'
> would use it that way. He might (if this were a real letter) say, 'Shove
> it  up your ass, you goyish ."  The only time you'd see a sentence
> with the word 'goy' in it parsed the way you've shown would be in the writing
> of someone unfamiliar with how yiddish was used (or someone lampooning the
> silly yiddishisms that appear  in nazi hate pamphlets and the like).
> 
> Secondly, at our weekly meetings of the World Jewish Conspiracy (held
> down the block from my house, in the basement of the town municipal building)
> we never, ever use the term 'Eternal Jew.' Again, it is a term that generally  turns up in anti-semitic literature.
> 
> Nice try, pea-brain. Next time you try a joke like this, ask an actual Jew to
> help you with the wording.
> 
> Ethan Stein

Alpert is a Jewish name.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Harry Katz wrote:
> 
> Frank Weltner wrote:
> 
>         Jews have been criticized incessantly by Christians for
>         killing Jesus.
> 
>         The Romans, however, killed hundreds of martyrs.
> 
>         Question: How come the Romans and Italians aren't hated
>         as Christian killers?
> 
>         Just wondering out loud.
> 
> In article <30E3F5BB.234A@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves  rationalizes:
> 
>         Good point, Frank. You should also keep in mind the fact that
>         not only did the Romans kill many Christian Martyrs, but
>         according to the New Testament, they were equally responsible
>         with the Jews for killing Christ. Jews and Jewish apologists
>         have used the old saw: "The world hates the Jews because they
>         killed Christ" to explain anti-semitism for centuries. How come
>         this hatred didn't spill over to include the Romans?
> 
> Perhaps because the Romans ruled the known European world at the time
> ansd no one dared to accuse them!  Moreover, Christianity did not
> really take off until it was adopted by Roman rulers and made the
> state religion.  Naturally, in adopting the religion, the Roman
> rulers made sure that the entire onus for the execution was placed
> squarely elsewhere.
> 
>         Well one reason might be because whether or not the Jews killed
>         Christ or the Romans killed Christ is irrelevant to that
>         particular argument.
> 
> Given Mr. Graves' ignorance in this subject area, and his penchant
> for Jew-bashing, it is no wonder that he arrives at this conclusion.
====================================================================
Katz, you old Zionist warrior, I know more ABOUT history, than you
even know there IS history!
====================================================================
> 
> Nevertheless, it does not explain why I have been called a "Christ
> Killer" by people of Italian heritage.
====================================================================
That's easy, like most people, Italians don't like Jews either. After all, 
this is sure case of "familiarity breeds contempt".
====================================================================
> 
> Calling a Jew, "Christ Killer" is an act of anti-Semitism, but
> Mr. Graves dodges this fact by pretending that Italians are also
> potentially subject to this slur.  He then proceeds to explain that
> since Italians are not actually subjected to this slur, it must be
> because it is irrelevant!  On the contrary, the fact that Italians
> are not actually subjected to this slur proves that hatred of Jews is
> entirely irrational, and any excuse, true or untrue, fair or unfair,
> will suffice for a bigot.
====================================================================
EHHH! Thanks for playing Katzy! I'm a racist, not a bigot. Try to keep that
straight, OK?
====================================================================
> 
> Such semantic sleight-of-hand fools no one with the possible
> exception of Mr. Graves himself.
> 
> --
> Harry Katz
> 
> Reverence of God is the basis of morality.
>         -- The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.
====================================================================
"It is not a sin to kill a goy. Even the best of them should not be allowed
to live." -more wisdom of the Talmud, Some Loathsome Kike, ed.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Harry Katz wrote:
> 
> In article <30E9222A.1266@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) engages in his favorite pastime,
> Jew-bashing:
> 
>         Frank, those "savages" get away with what they do, and are on
>         welfare, and get light (or no) prison sentences...
> 
> This is not the main point of the article, but every survey and study
> ever done shows that Afro-Americans receive disproportionately tough
> prison sentences.
> 
>         ...PRECEISLY because the Jew is their advocate.
> 
> Just one more slander against Jews that Mr. Graves will never be able
> to substantiate.  But he has never let the facts interfere with his
> favorite pastime of Jew-bashing before!
> 
>         When I was a college student, fighting for civil rights (yeah,
>         I know. I'm not too proud of it either), we would go down to
>         Mississippi and Alabama to "march" etc.
> 
> It looks like Mr. Graves has no independent political convictions of
> his own, but blows in the wind.  Back when radical civil rights was
> in vogue, he was marching right along.  Now that reactionary racism
> is in style, he changes his convictions along with his hairstyle.
====================================================================
Once again, Mr. Katz uses his extraordinary powers of deduction to ferret
out the "truth" and comes up.....WRONG AGAIN!. You Jews had me when I was
a kid, That much is true. But I pulled back from the abyss at an early age
and wised-up. I might have been a Jew brainwashed liberal college kid at
18, but by twenty, I had recovered (and BTW, radical civil rights was still
in vogue at that time, but not with me).
You ADMIT that reactionary racism is "in style"? Never thought I'd hear
a Jew say that! Do your handlers know that you have committed this -
faux pas? Tsk, tsk, tsk Mr. Katz. I'll bet you get twenty lashes with a 
stiff carp for that one!
====================================================================
> 
>         The marchers might have been dewey-eyed liberal college kids
>         (just doin' what monkeys do), but the instigators were
>         ALL 35 year old+ JEWS (at least all of them that I saw were).
> 
> And Mr. Graves can tell a Jew just by looking!  This is the kind of
> circumstantial evidence that Mr. Graves takes seriously: vague
> impressions.  He never did bother to identify all of the leaders of
> the movement and exactly how many of them were Jewish because that
> would bypass his prejudice and might not yield the result he craves.
====================================================================
Yeah, I can. I could look at a picture of you, for instance, and without even
knowing who it was, my reaction would be: "Oy Vey, Vat a Jew!"
====================================================================
> 
>         Ever notice that a large majority of TV sitcoms have black
>         casts, as if the blacks constituted a major portion of the
>         U.S. population?
> 
> No, but I did notice that Mr. Graves makes the most outrageous
> assertions without a single, solitary shred of evidence.  I bet he
> cannot tell us how many sitcoms there are on television this season,
> much less how many are devoted to Blacks!  (Not to mention that the
> Afro-American community has complained many times that these shows in
> no way reflect the reality of their lives.)
====================================================================
I don't even care, Katz. Were it but ONE, it would be one too many. I'm not
running a school for anti-Jews here, or compiling an encyclopedia. These
are my opinions, based on years of study and observation. I don't give a rat's
ass for quoting the kind of 'chapter and verse' bibliography for which you 
and your trained lackeys are always asking. (why bother, none of you would
check 'em out anyway.) Its just mental masturbation. I could say anything. 
Like: "American Network TV Schedule, 1995-1996:  A Complete Listing by 
Show With Key Personnel" Published by A. H. Nielsen and Company, New York.
You schmucks would never know the difference. But that would be lying
==================================================================== 
> 
>         Check out the names of the producers and writers of these
>         shows: Saul Turttletaub, Norman Lear, Murray Shapiro,
>         Leon Abrhamovitz etc., etc.
> 
> Does Mr. Graves expect us to believe that these shows are not on the
> air because they make money?  That Jewish producers are going broke
> promoting Black sitcoms out of principle?  Wasn't "The Cosby Show"
> rated number one among all audiences for many years?
====================================================================
Yeah, and they could make EVEN more money with WHITE sitcoms. Simple
demographics would show that there are more TV watching white families
than there are black, just by sheer numbers alone. But that doesn't advance
the agenda does it Katz?
====================================================================
> 
> Not to mention that Mr. Graves is not about to list the names of all
> television sitcom producers who have created Black sitcoms so we can
> have some perspective.  No, he will only list these four Jewish
> producers and ignore the dozens of others who are not Jewish.
> 
> --
> Harry Katz
====================================================================
Katzy, those names are available to ANYBODY with a TV who cares enough to
watch the wretched shows (they aren't funny. That's AN OPINION and a fact).
I mentioned a couple, but why waste the space to mention 'em all. The point
is made.

(ever get the idea that I don't take Katz and his backpedeling very seriously?
He's like a plasterer trying to cover a crack in the ceiling that just keeps 
going, and going, and going..........)

George Graves
====================================================================
> 
> Even he who lives on charity should practice benevolence.
>         -- The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.


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Richard Marquez wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : I wouldn't be in favor of either of those two alternatives. I would favor
> : sending them all back to their country of blood. Hispanics back to Central
> : America, Negroes back to Africa, Asians back to Asia.
> 
> Europeans ("Whites"?) back to Europe...
> 
> : Amarinds could stay, anyone with a European, non-Jewish background
> : could stay.
> 
> Why?  Aren't European countries their countries of blood?
> 
>         - Grego
> 
> (And if someone answers this with "Us Whites built this country", please
> explain how that should make a bit of difference...if you truely feel
> this way, why not advocate kicking out the non-productive members of
> society (white, black, brown, whatever)).

OK kick out all non-whites and all non-productive whites. Feel better?

George Graves


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Michael Paterson wrote:
> 
> >From: George Graves 
> >Subject: Evidence of the Zionist Conspiracy Part 1 (second post attemp)
> >Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 19:12:53 +0000
> 
> >85% of all major American newspapers are owned and/or edited, and
> >controlled by Jews.
> 
> >Examples:
> 
> >New York Times - Owner/Publisher: Arthur Ochs Sulzberger
> 
> >LA Times - Publisher: David Laventhol
> 
> >Atlanta Constituition - Publisher: Arnold Rosenfeld
> 
> >Detroit Free Press - Publisher: Neil Shine
> 
> >Washington Post - Owner/Publisher: Katherine Meyer Graham
> 
> >There are many more.
> 
> >The Entire Communist movement was engineered and carried out
> >by Jews. Karl Marx who 'invented' Communism was not only a Jew,
> >but a friend and confidant of Theodore Herzl, author of the Protocols.
> >Lenin, whose real name was  Ulanov  was a geschmott Jew (Geshmott
> >is a Jewish term for one who changes his or her name to avoid being
> >recognized as a Jew). Lenin's father, whose real name was  Olavin
> >changed it to Ulanov to avoid the Czars' pogroms. Leon Trotsky, one
> >of the main instigators of the 1917 Russian Revolution, and Lenin's
> >right-hand man was born Leon Bronstein. The Jewish European banker
> >Arthur Rothschild helped to finance the revolution as did the Americans
> >Fels (of soap fame) and Guggenhiem (co-founder of Macy's department
> >store). J. P. Morgan, also a Jew, contributed millions to the Communist
> >Revolution in Russia.
> 
> >The American, and thus the world economy is controlled by the Federal
> >Reserve Bank. The head of this organization, the man who tightens and
> >loosens the purse strings of the world's economy is the Jew Alan
> >Greenspan. The Secretary of the United States Treasury is a Jew named
> >Robert Rubin.
> >The Chase Manhatten Bank, one of the nation's largest is run by S.C.
> >Bernstein Inc. The Bank of America is contolled by Richard M. Rosenberg
> 
> >This is the root of modern so-called liberalism. The NEA is rife with
> >Jews. They set curriculi based upon the above priciples. 90% of American
> >schoolbooks are published by the firm of Harcourt Brace and Jovanovich.
> 
> Harcourt Brace & Jovanovich don't sound like Jewish names to me.
> Comments, anyone?
> 
> >They are all designed to inculcate liberal ideas into the youth of
> >America.
> 
> As opposed to Nazism, I presume?
> 
> >We have already seen how the newspapers are owned and/or controlled by the
> >Jews, but television is the organ by which most people get "informed"
> >today. Magazines are also a favorite form of "information"
> 
> >NBC - President: Brandon Tartikoff
> 
> >CBS - President: Laurence A. Tisch
> 
> >ABC - President: Steve Ross
> 
> Ross - Good Scottish name - or is he "geschmott" too?
> 
> >Time/Warner - President: Andrew Kaplan
> 
> >Time/Life - President: Gerald Levin
> >Execitive vice president: Bertram Wasserman
> 
> >Gannett Publications - President: Allen Neuharth
> >And they have too. American popular music, once the joy of the world, has
> >been turned into an abomination which teaches the young to take narcotics,
> >to rape, to ignore laws. The Jewish-Hollywood connection is an old story.
> >In the guise of entertainment, the Jew inculcates all with his ideas and
> >soon , just as the Protocols predict, these abominations become part of
> >the collective culture. Ever notice that on every documentary or news show
> >where an 'expert' has been brought in to expound upon the topic of the
> >day, that expert is invariably, a Jew?
> 
> Well, I don't know George; this seems like pretty persuasive evidence.
> I certainly get the impression that Jewish people must be lot smarter
> than I thought if they've managed to cream off all the best stuff like
> this. They must be hard, intelligent workers to have gotten so far. I
> was especially interested to see how all those capitalist Jews helped
> finance a revolution that was dedicated to their destruction - they
> must have been really stupid.  Makes you wonder how they became
> multi-millionaires in the first place, doesn't it?
> 
> I happen to read Russian, George and not so long ago I was browsing
> the Russian Internet looking for KGB documents - we're still looking
> for "moles", George, you know, people planted here by the Commies
> who've been underground ever since, and Western citizens who became
> Russian agents and therefore traitors, because we still want to put
> them away, see?  We're getting a lot of cooperation from the new
> regime, so we're making the most of it while it lasts.  They're still
> a bit queasy about turning in their own guys over here, but we're
> making a lot of progress on the traitor front.  J. Edgar would shit
> gold bars if he was still with us!
> 
> Anyway, I found a document about the Protocols of Zion a few weeks ago
> that was so interesting I noted down a few of the main points, and
> I've done a quick little translation for you. (I should explain, the
> Russians won't let us download stuff, they have it on file and you
> can't even capture it with Paint Shop Pro - I guess I shouldn't
> mention stuff like that.)
> 
> Two main suspects as author:
> 
> 1.  Ilya Tsion, elderly political journalist living in France in 1903
> (when the Protocols were first published). Extreme reactionary... some
> of the views were very close to his own.
> 
> Motivation:
> 
> 1. To discredit political opponents
> 2. To impress the Tsar with the danger of liberals.
> 
> (The writer, who's only identified by initials, doesn't buy Tsion
> though...)
> 
> 2. Pyotr Ivanovich Rachkovsky, head of Tsarist secret service abroad.
> Author of several anti-Semitic tracts; believed in existence of a
> world-wide Jewish conspiracy, particularly directed at Russia.
> 
> Motivation:
> 
> 1. Had many enemies, some passages believed to be oblique references
> to them, to get them in trouble. One, a Jewish Russian official in
> Paris was named by him: Effron, no first name or patronymic given.
> (The only reason I know he's Jewish is because the writer says he is.)
> 
> Rachkovsky's HQ in Paris for 18 years until recalled in 1902...
> 
> Official sent to wind up the Paris office after the 1917 revolution,
> reports one of Rachkovsky's aides admitted the Protocols forged in
> Paris by order of Rachkovsky.
> 
> No mention of this Herzl chap at all, George. Looks like you've been
> giving the wrong man the credit. It seems the Protocols caused a
> worldwide sensation; typical Russian piece of "disinformation" -
> they're the best in the world at it.
> 
> Don't know why the Russians included this stuff to show us, George.
> They don't normally do anything without a very good reason.  Maybe
> they were just ratbagging us - that's where you can't be bothered to
> help some out-of-town visiting fireman, so you just give him the
> garbage files and let him root through until he gets fed up and quits
> bugging you.
> 
> All this stuff was in among some documents about a proposal to have
> Jews identified as such on their internal passports - to move around
> Russia under the Commies you had to have your internal passport
> stamped, George and if you didn't - off to Perm for 10 years strict
> regime - 1200 calories a day, hard labour and no nonsense.
> 
> I hope I haven't disappointed you George - better men than you have
> been duped by the Russians - for some reason your country seems to
> have produced huge numbers of traitors, as the Comms were too smart to
> spend billions on research;  they just paid a few hundred bucks to
> guys working on secret projects and got all the data without putting
> in the time and trouble of doing the research.  Clever people, hey?
> 
> I'd sure like to see a list of Aryan Nation success stories George -
> is it true that Les has nearly paid off his own trailer!? - but you
> know, something more than that. Anyone got a car paid for? Anyone
> graduate from high school?  Anyone NOT working as a janitor somewhere?
> We need those success stories, George, if we're going to compete
> against those clever Jewish guys you were kind enough to let us know
> about.
> 
> Anyway, I really enjoyed your posting George, you've given me a new
> respect for the Jews when I see how well they've done. I'll look
> forward to your next posting and in the meantime, I'll be posting the
> Griswold docs very shortly and I'll keep you updated with anything
> else my colleagues dig up.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Mike
> 
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail

Thank you for a very interesting and (mostly) well conceived post. I have
come across the Pyotr Ivanovich Rachkovsky connection before, but I 
tend to discount it. Ilya Tsion, on the other hand, is a name I know well.
He was a Jew (Tsion is another spelling for Zion like Tsar is another way 
to spell Czar) and a member of the first "World Zionist Convention" held 
in Basil Switzerland in 1892. He was, in point of fact, Herzl's right-hand 
man at that little gathering (Source: "Father Coughlin and the Zionists" 
By Charles J. Tull, Syracuse University Press, 1962). He may have actually 
been the scribe for the meeting (although I don't know this as fact and Tull 
doesn't say what Tsion's actual duties were). If he was, then it is only 
natural for him to have been the actual "author" of the 'Protocols' (being 
that they are resolutions of a group of people, attributing authorship to 
him would be like saying the U.S. Senate scribe is the author of the 
'Congressional Record'). At any rate, he would have had a copy, and they 
could have gotten away from him. There is no way of knowing.

I am not a memeber of the Arayan Nations organization, and can tell you
nothing about them. I post here to advance my arguments against
multiculturalism and the Jewish Conspiracy which supports it as well 
as for my own amusement. I have a degree in Electronics Engineering, 
and I run my own very successful technical marketing service. Anything 
else about me that you would like to know?

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Wed Jan 10 06:31:44 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: We dont want any more immigrants!
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Mark Zajac wrote:
> 
> [ Article crossposted from soc.culture.canada,can.general,can.politics,alt.politics.immigration,ont.general,bc.general ]
> [ Author was Larry Olson ]
> [ Posted on Mon, 08 Jan 1996 10:10:36 GMT ]
> 
> pkolding@cts.com (PKolding) wrote:
> >That is not the objection to immigration policies that serious
> >analysts make. The problem with modern day immigration policies is the
> >COST to a society's institutions, not the economic status of the
> >immigrant population. It is far more expensive in strictly practical
> >terms to have immigrants that have no knowledge of the culture or the
> >language. It is almost prohibitive to have immigrants that not only do
> >not know the culture, but have to have their own culture adapted to by
> >the institutions of society.
> 
> That is exactly the problem. It's nice to see somebody condense it.
> 
> >The answer to this conundrum is well-known: allow society time to
> >digest a new immigrant intake, rather than constantly "topping up" the
> >immigrant pool. This policy was abandoned in Canada in the Sixties, on
> >the fraudulent basis that the welfare state needed large government
> >revenues, and  any deficiencies in government revenue could be
> >"imported" through constant immigration and the expansion of the
> >population.
> 
> And the answer that works, as well.
> 
> I think it's revealing that postings such as this are looked at with
> alarm by the "fair, egalitarian people" of the left. Intelligent thought
> and common-sense are indeed the mortal enemy of the social left, and
> today's so-called pro-immigration folks. Don't ya love it :]

Of course, the BIG QUESTION, i.e. the one nobody ever thinks to ask, is
why would a thriving, homogenous society NEED immigration in this day
and age? One the one hand, you have people crying for "zero population 
growth", and on the other, you have people supporting uncontrolled
immigration. These are often the same folk you see (and hear) screaming
about the enviornment. Well, the only thing wrong with the enviornment,
is the impact that an excess of people have made upon it. It certainly
doesn't make a lot of sense.

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Wed Jan 10 06:44:40 PST 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Dead Jews and Power
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Frank Weltner wrote:
> 
> In article <30EE88FF.705F@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> :Frank Weltner wrote:
> :>
> :> In article <30E6B949.221A@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> :> wrote:
> :>
> :> :Charles R.L. Power wrote:
> :> :>
> :> :> George Graves  writes:
> :> :>
> :> :> >The reason why diamonds are the most expensive gemstones is because the
> :> :> >diamond industry (headed by the aforementioned Oppenheimer family) has a
> :> :> >virtual monopoly on the world's supply, and keeps them off the market to
> :> :> >keep prices artificially high. I understand that DeBeers has warehouses
> :> :> >filled with enough diamonds to last the world a thousand years, even if
> :> :> >not another diamond were ever taken from the earth. This is ONE Jewish
> :> :> >conspiracy that they don't even try to hide. Its very well known,
> its just
> :> :> >that no one can do anything about it except play (and pay) along.
> :> :
> :> :George Graves
> :>
> :> Let me see. I am supposed to hate Jews because they cornered the market on
> :> diamonds, then stuck a hot poker up my ass to buy them at high prices?
> :> Well, I never bought a diamond in my life. However, I did buy gasoline all
> :> the time, and the arabs jacked the price of that sky high in the 1970's.
> :> Does that mean that the arabs are really Jews, George?
> :
> :I have never seen such elementary conclusion jummping in my life as I
> :see on this NG. What is it about an opposing point of view tht makes the
> :opposition jump to conclusions about what they read?  Frank, I was merely
> :reporting about some things I learned about the diamond industry. The
> :last sentence is aupposed to be a joke! (you can't have a well known
> :conspiracy)
> :
> :George Graves
> 
> Now, George, get a grip. Diamonds have been selling at disaster prices for
> the last 20 years. They have gone down 4-10 times their value in the
> 1970's. Just how much "conspiracy" to hold up the prices do the Jews
> wield? I hope they are more successful in keeping the arabs from
> overrunning them in Israel, kid.

Frank, even at so-called "disaster prices", diamonds still sell for orders
of magnitude more than they are worth. And it isn't Jews, its DeBeers. The
fact that DeBeers is owned by a Jewish family is PROBABLY neither here nor
there.
If things like gemstones and precious metals are valued by their rarity,
then Sapphires, rubies and lapis lazuli would be many times more expensive
than diamonds, but they aren't are they? So, to keep things in this 
unnatural pricing structure, diamonds have to be kept scarce. In point of
fact, they aren't very scarce, so its all artificial.

George Graves


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Subject: Re: The myth of race
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Ahti Eric Rovainen wrote:
> 
> Frank R Weltner
> 
> 6936 Bruno
> St. Louis MO  63139
> 
> Phone: (314) 644-3621
> 
> If you're in the 314 area code, have fun setting your modem to keep
> ringing this punk's phone!

I don't know who you are, but let me tell you this. You are one rotten
asshole!. There are a lot of people on this NG who disagree with each other
and who argue strongly for their point of view. But I don't think ONE of 
them would stoop to the depths to which you have descended. Nobody is 
going to "have fun setting (their) modem to keep ringing this punk's phone"
because most of them have too much personal integrity for that. I'm 
afraid you have made no friends here with this ploy (unless I am very much
mistaken about the cast of characters assembled here). What a creep!

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Lawrence E. Larson wrote:
> 
> sterrett@crash.cts.com (Tony Sterrett) wrote:
> >
> > In article <4btah2$hps@spectator.cris.com>,
> > Country Ron   wrote:
> > >fresh816@aol.com (Fresh816) ejaculates:
> > >>Ron,
> > >>
> > >>Is Country Ron Aryanese for "Dickhead"
> > >>
> > >>Just wondering...
> > >
> > >
> > >My my, our shining wit is really showing now Android.  What IS yout
> > >fascination with the male reproductive organ anyway???
> >
> >       If you had one you would know. Tell you what ask your
> >       mother
> >
> > >
> > >The Rev. Country Ron
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Are you people talking about a serious issue such as mythical white supremacy?  
I suppose not.  All I see you doing is wasting cyberspace insulting each other in an 
obviously impotent effort to revalidate yourselves.  The issue is white supremacy, 
how utterly ridiculous the whole idea is and when and if the human race can jettison 
the idea once and for all.

First of all, "friend", see that key on your keyboard marked either "return" or "enter"?
If you hit that about once every 80 characters or so, your text would wrap so that 
others could read what you say (of course, if the above is any indication of the level
of enlightenment that you will bring to this discussion, don't bother).

Second. Prove that white supremecy is a ridculous idea. No one else who has tried here
has been successful, lets give you a try (provided, of course that you learn to use your
"return key).

George Graves


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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <30E99CA1.4208@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
>   :Les, Walton NEVER says anything important to say on any subject, but
>   :you have certainly hit upon a way to clear this NG of liberals. Just
>   :ignore them! They'll scream and hollar, and eventually, if we only
>   :respond to each other, they'll go away!
> 
> Feel free to ignore me. I won't lose any sleep. Y'all keep spewing as
> usual, I'll keep answering.
> 
> You may want to familiarize yourself with your killfile. It'll make the
> process easier.
> 
>   :Now back to Walton. Do you know of any way we can delete him? (in
>   :a nice way, of course).  :)
> 
> I thought you were going to ignore me. If I never say anything of
> importance, why all the effort to "delete me," whatever that means?
> 
> BTW, "deleting" me, by any reasonable definition, would require fraud,
> vandalism, or physical violence. If any of those tactics are threatened, I
> will deal with them appropriately.

Ah, ah, Mr. Walton. I said "in a nice way". My killfile is a nice way, should I
opt to use it. You libs need to stop doing two things: 1) Kill the paranoia.
Nobody on this NG wants to physically harm any of you mainly  because 
none of you would be worth the trouble. 2) Stop taking things out of context.
This may be rampant liberal paranoia at work again here, but it looks to
me as if you libs take everthing as a threat. Of course, the fact that you 
are all so paranoid shows that you are on the run, and that's good, but don't
take this stuff so seriously. After all, this is an internet NG. We are all 
just Cyberpersons here. A. Walton. Who is that? John-Boy's little brother? 
I don't know who you are (and vice-versa) or where you are. You're just a 
name atop a page of bankrupt liberal ideas to me. Certainly not a 'real' person 
who might make someone mad enough to threaten them. Besides, I don't take 
any of this banter either personally, or seriously. I just enjoy the debate. You
should too. So, goodnight Les, goodnight evil, good night John-Boy, goodnight
Andy..........


George Graves


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Milton Kleim (bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : In a smoke-filled room, somewhere on Vancouver Island...
> 
> : Ken Mcvay:  "Damn that Kleim!  He's making me look like an asshole.  What
> :             are you guys gonna do?"
> 
> This fills me with curiousity.  Do the revisionazis, humiliated here
> daily and shown to be utter asses on a regular basis, really delude
> themselves that they're WINNING this debate?  Could anybody really
> be that clueless?  Is there a precedent for this in the psychological
> literature?
> 
> Bill

I don't know what universe you think that you are living in Bill, but in this
one, we are most certainly winning "this debate". I get private E-mail 
>from  "lurkers" all the time which tell me that this is so. They tell me how,
after initially being put-off by the 'racist' side, that they have been 
gradually won over to our way of thinking by the fact that we make YOU
look like utter asses (or is that asses' udders?) on a daily basis. 

George Graves


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Caesar wrote:
> 
> In article <4cs43k$a1c@amhux3.amherst.edu>
>            jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
> 
> > George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> >
> > >  Next summer, you'll get to see U.N. troops
> > > from foreign nations, wearing their blue helmets (the same blue, I might
> > > add as the Israeli Flag -Coincidence? I wonder)
> >
> > Not to mention, the same blue as on the Duke University banner!  Hmm...
> 
> Help! Help! Duke Univesity is in a conspiricy to take over
> the world :-)
> 
> >
> > (And Omigod!  The same blue as the sky...)

No, the sky is a little darker blue.

George Graves


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Josh Klein wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> > I just said "I wonder........" No conclusions here except that if foreign troops
> > came to my town and were walking around with automatic weapons on
> > US soil, the Constitution gives me the right to shoot the bastards,
> > irrespective of what 'deals' the traitor Clinton has made to the contrary.
> 
> Not at all.  And there is a long history of the United States Government
> concluding treaties that allow armed foreign troops to operate on
> U.S. soil.  (Here's a hint: have you ever heard of the name Lafayette?)
> 
> --
> Josh Klein
> Amherst College

Bullshit! Layfayette was a "Friend of the Republic" and operated under the
aegis of General Washington, as did the Huegenots, which were paid
mercenaries. The UN troops are NOT under US command and have jurisdiction
over American civilians. I hope your not trying to tell me that you support
this outrage? Because, if you do, you are a traitor too.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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evil Beavis wrote:
> 
> Frank Weltner wrote:
> > If I had nice, well educated blacks brought into my neighborhood by the
> > federal government, I'd have very little problem with it. However, the
> > feds bring only the scum to settle here, despite the fact that, for thirty
> > years, this plan has not resulted in integration but only in the whites
> > getting the hell out and losing money and hating blacks with a passion.
> > And why not? Don't you think the dying Indians hated the Spanish for
> > bringin war and disease into their midst?
> >
Some things edited for brevity
> 
> No idiot, most people do not feel the way you do. You are deluded and
> consumed with hate because you cannot deal with your own emotional
> shortcomings...
> 
> eB

Stefan, does the term "broken record" mean anything to you? As in
"you're begining to sound like a......."  Wise up, the boys are laughing at
you.

George Graves


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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: EXISTANCE OF A SO-CALLED JEWISH CONSPIRACY
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Michael Paterson wrote:
> 
> xyz@scsn.net (Racial Theorist) wrote:
> 
> >eB, i'm doing all i can to get my hands on those levers soon.  i
> >believe i might be able to straighten a few things out.
> 
> >rc
> 
> Do you actually have to be gay to join the Aryan Nation, or is it just
> the leadership?  I'll bet you and Georgie and Les have a wonderful
> time when you're alone, dancing under the moonbeams, hanging onto each
> other's tiny tools!
> 
> Excuse for a few moments while I stop to weep with laughter at what a
> weird bunch of hang-ups you all have.
> 
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail

Get help before your delusions run away with you completely. I know
the names of some good GENTILE Psychiatrists.

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Wed Jan 10 14:50:37 PST 1996
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Frank Weltner wrote:
> 
> In article <4coq2v$r8o@decaxp.harvard.edu>, staloff@scws45.harvard.edu
> (Mark Staloff) wrote:
> 
> :George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> :
> :: Does not Israel accept all Jews wishing to go "home"?
> :
> :It isn't my home, in any case.  I've never been there.  I don't speak
> :Hebrew.  Home is New Jersey.  I was born in the United States, same as
> :you (unless - are you Canadian?), just to different parents.
> :
> :Mark
> 
> Mark, you are welcome in America. Your jewish ancestors have always worked
> hard and produced things for the culture. Don't let George get you down.
> Atomic energy, mathematics, algebra, philosophy, these are GREAT
> contributions to society, evolution, and human growth. The Jews have
> blessed the whites throughout all of history.

Wow, Frank, You're right! I don't know what the world would have done
for the last 50 years without the atomic bomb, or atomic energy. Look
what we would have missed without that Jew-science: Hiroshima, 
Nagasaki, MAD, the Arms Race, Three Mile Island, Cherynoble, nuclear
proliferation, atmospheric testing, fallout shelters, "duck and cover".
Boy, I sure wouldn't have wanted to miss that! Not to mention the 
cultural contribution of Jews: prime-time network TV, quality 
Hollywood movies (ala Spielberg), Tiny Tim, Pinky Lee, Soupy Sales,
Joey Bishop, Rossanne!  Yeah boy. Bring on them Jews, can't live without
'em.

George Graves


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Something to worry liberals (was: Something to worry white racists)
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Frank Weltner wrote:
> 
> :Recently, near Redding California, an epidemic of "B strain" hepititus broke
> :out. The California health department reported that the epidemic came from
> :resivoir water which had been contaminated by south-east Asian immigrants
> :deficating and urinating in the resivoir.
> :
> :A couple of years ago, illegal Mexicans, were bringing cholera into the USA
> :with them. Now, there is a low-level cholera epidemic among Hispanic
> :populations in the American Southwest, that has started to bleed over
> :into the non-Hispanic population through contact in schools and other
> :public meeting places.
> :
> :As late as 1980, there was not ONE case of tuberculoses reported in the
> :United States. In 1981, The United States Department of Health, Education
> :and Welfare announced that tuberculosis was a thing of the past, another
> :disease to add to the growing lists of ailments that had been eradicated
> :from our shores. In1995, there were more than 2000 NEW cases of
> :tuberculosis reported (according to US DOHEW statistics) in New York
> :City alone. Brought in by immigrants from the far east, this mini epidemic
> :has quickly crossed into the general population.
> :
> :My question is this: Do we NEED this? Why does a country like the US, in
> :which the ideal population density was reached in 1945 (at 125 million),
> :and which now has upwards of 270 million, need more people from
> :anywhere?
> :
> :Who is responsible for this madness? And why have we, the American
> :People, allowed whoever is responsible for this travesty to get away
> :with it?
> :
> :Whatever happened to common sense? Didn't anybody ever stop to think
> :that if you allow unbridled immigration from backward third-world
> :countries like those found in south-east Asia, the place where ALL
> :flu epidemics start, that these people would bring these diseases
> :with them?
> :
> :George Graves
> 
> Disease is the best argument against world travel and world trade. The
> security of a country is breached most often NOT by war but by diseases
> brought in by invaders. Most soldiers die of disease in enemy territory,
> and they bring their own diseases with them. Disease is nature's way of
> saying, "don't intermingle people from different areas, or I will kill you
> all."

Makes sense.

George Graves


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eB Wrote:

> :Do you really think a moratorium is viable considering this country's history
> :as a land of and for immigrants? I guess it could be done since even many
> :recent immigrants today thinks immigration needs to be more controlled. Still
> :though, I think it will be slowed down but never completely halted.
> :I myself think the whole business of border controls and immigration laws is
> :stupid. Let everyone compete and if you are talented enough you'll get by
> :just fine. If Mexicans could freely cross the border for example, they would
> :soon figure out that being unemployed and shot at by gangs in East LA is not
> :much better than being poor in Nogales or Guadalajara...
> :
> :eB

Stefan, you don't get it. There are 270+ million people in this country now.
Most experts agree that America was at her peak during and directly after
WWII with a population of 125 - 150 million (post war baby-boom, you know).
Most of the immigrants into the U.S.A. are concentrated on the coasts, east and 
west. Today, on the West Coast, Rush Hour lasts from 5:00 AM to 
10:00 AM, and 2:30 PM to 8:00 PM. during those hours, the streets, roads 
and highways are so crowded that no one can go anywhere. The infrastructure
is so strained that one has to que-up for almost everything. You can't take
a sunday drive anymore, too much traffic. Restuarants are always crowded,
most of the time you can't get in. Quality of life? what's that?
estimates are that at current immigration rates, the population of the US
will double in the next 20 years. Again with most of the concentration on 
the two coasts. Now, given that today's infrastructure cannot handle what
we have today, what's it going to do with double the load 20 years from now?
No housing, no food, and never ending rush hours. Our officials tell us that 
upscaling the infrastructure to meet the demands of the next century is 
unlikely, due to costs.
Why would any country want to purposely slit its own throat (unless a 
hidden hand were slitting it for them)?

George Graves


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ncrccjc@ibm.net wrote:
> 
> George Graves  writes:
> > evil Beavis wrote:
>>Snip<<
> > eB shows that he doesn't understand the the subject of this debate either.
> > Stefan, In the USA, freedom of speech is NOT a privilege, its a RIGHT.  By
> > definition, Speedo's views, irrespective of how heinously thay might be
> > regarded by some portion of the populace, cannot be "on the wrong side".
> >
> > George Graves
> ncrccjc responds:
> No George as usual it's you that doesn't understand. Even in the United States
> you can't advocate murder. It's against the law!

Once again, the man with the ee cummins initials shows that he has 
not a clue. Advocating murder is NOT against federal law. Committing
murder, on the other hand is against state and local laws. I can 
advocate it all I want, and NO federal marshalls are going to break down 
my door. We are talking  Constitutionality here, and murder or the 
advocation of murder is not covered (being left to the individual states). 
In most states, if I call the police and say that Joe Bozotz has threatened 
to kill me, THE LAW CAN DO NOTHING until he actually tries it. This might 
seem wrong to someone who has not thought it out, but what if I was lying? 
What if I conssidered Joe Bozotz my enemy because we don't get along at work, 
or he was my boss and fired me and I wanted to get back at him? If the police 
acted upon every threat, it would tie-up law enforcement resources unnecessarilly,
and cheap revenge could  be had for the taking. So what you 
say is wrong, WRONG, WRONG!

George Graves


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ncrccjc@ibm.net wrote:
> 
> George Graves  writes:
> > evil Beavis wrote:
>>Snip<<
> > eB shows that he doesn't understand the the subject of this debate either.
> > Stefan, In the USA, freedom of speech is NOT a privilege, its a RIGHT.  By
> > definition, Speedo's views, irrespective of how heinously thay might be
> > regarded by some portion of the populace, cannot be "on the wrong side".
> >
> > George Graves
> ncrccjc responds:
> No George as usual it's you that doesn't understand. Even in the United States
> you can't advocate murder. It's against the law!

Once again, the man with the ee cummins initials shows that he has 
not a clue. Advocating murder is NOT against federal law. Committing
murder, on the other hand is against state and local laws. I can 
advocate it all I want, and NO federal marshalls are going to break down 
my door. We are talking  Constitutionality here, and murder or the 
advocation of murder is not covered (being left to the individual states). 
In most states, if I call the police and say that Joe Bozotz has threatened 
to kill me, THE LAW CAN DO NOTHING until he actually tries it. This might 
seem wrong to someone who has not thought it out, but what if I was lying? 
What if I conssidered Joe Bozotz my enemy because we don't get along at work, 
or he was my boss and fired me and I wanted to get back at him? If the police 
acted upon every threat, it would tie-up law enforcement resources unnecessarilly,
and cheap revenge could  be had for the taking. So what you 
say is wrong, WRONG, WRONG!

George Graves


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Sara aka Perrrfect wrote:
> 
> In article <30F19E37.5B6B@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > I just said "I wonder........" No conclusions here except that if
> foreign troops
> > came to my town and were walking around with automatic weapons on
> > US soil, the Constitution gives me the right to shoot the bastards,
> > irrespective of what 'deals' the traitor Clinton has made to the contrary.
> >
> > George Graves
> 
> Calling the President of the United States a traitor is quite a claim.
> What is the basis of this claim?
> 
> What are the facts that support this claim?
> 
> And if, in fact, you honestly believe that Clinton is a traitor, what are
> you *doing* within the legal system about it?
> 
> Or are you just blowing smoke out of your ass again?
> 
> Sara

Its called a political opinion OK? Yeah, just watch the lyin' little 
weasle talk outa both sides of his mouth at once. And that whore
he's married too, she is as big a lyer as he is. And THAT bitch is 
going to jail. Just you watch!
As to him being a traitor, he agreed to this totally unconstitutional 
UN "peacekeeping" thing for the Summer Olympics in Atlanta (US 
Code, Volume XIV, Public Law 81), that makes him a traitor. Add 
to that his totally illegal and unconstitutional retroactive tax law 
of 1993 (Article 1, section 9 of the US Constitution. To wit: "No 
Bill of Attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed." This is a 
President who has broken his oath to uphold the Constitution  at least 
twice. If that doesn't make the slimy bastard a traitor, I don't know 
what does.
As to what I'm going to do about it. WE Americans are going to vote the 
asshole out, that's what were going to do about it!

As to blowing smoke. I'll leave that to you. You Jews have made a religion
out of it.

George Graves


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Michael Paterson wrote:
> 
> >> > George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 

> >> only group able to put up any real opposition to World Zionism. The Jew
> >> is doing this through race mixing. "Mix all the populations of the world
> >> together, and the rest will take care of itself." he would always say.
> 
> Georgie, have you considered Prozac?
> 
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail

No, Jerk. Have you ever considered rat poison?

George Graves


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Frank Weltner wrote:
> 
> In article <4crk1o$9u4@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>, Laura Finsten
>  wrote:
> 
> :George Graves  wrote:
> :> [in reply to Frank Weltner]
> :>>
> :
> :>Frank, why don't you ask yourself the REAL question. WHY have they suffered
> :>a great deal? Could it be that they have done something to cause this
> suffering
> :>to be visited upon them?
> :
> I do not see how not desiring to consume a sow's ear sandwich with bacon
> fettucini and shrimp cocktails on a daily basis is grounds for gassing
> this tribe of innocent and worthy people to death at Auswitz
> Konzentrazionen Kampf. It is uncivilized and unworthy of the German people
> or any other people to have done this heinous crime to mankind. God bless
> the Jews.

Gassing? Who said anything about gassing? What the Nazis did is only of 
historical interest to me (and its a subject which suffers, IMHO, from
overexposure). I am not a Nazi. I do not advocate so-called hate crimes
against anyone. I am for exposing the Jewish conspiracy so that it 
collapses (conspiracies can't stand up in the light of day, you know, 
sorta like Dracula), and takes the concept of multiculturalism down with
it.

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Thu Jan 11 08:17:38 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: Something to worry white racists
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) writes:
> > Frank Weltner wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <4coq2v$r8o@decaxp.harvard.edu>, staloff@scws45.harvard.edu
> >> (Mark Staloff) wrote:
> >>
> >> :George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> >> :
> >> :: Does not Israel accept all Jews wishing to go "home"?
> >> :
> >> :It isn't my home, in any case.  I've never been there.  I don't speak
> >> :Hebrew.  Home is New Jersey.  I was born in the United States, same as
> >> :you (unless - are you Canadian?), just to different parents.
> >> :
> >> :Mark
> >>
> >> Mark, you are welcome in America. Your jewish ancestors have always worked
> >> hard and produced things for the culture. Don't let George get you down.
> >> Atomic energy, mathematics, algebra, philosophy, these are GREAT
> >> contributions to society, evolution, and human growth. The Jews have
> >> blessed the whites throughout all of history.
> >
> > Wow, Frank, You're right! I don't know what the world would have done
> > for the last 50 years without the atomic bomb, or atomic energy. Look
> > what we would have missed without that Jew-science: Hiroshima,
> > Nagasaki, MAD, the Arms Race, Three Mile Island, Cherynoble, nuclear
> > proliferation, atmospheric testing, fallout shelters, "duck and cover".
> > Boy, I sure wouldn't have wanted to miss that! Not to mention the
> > cultural contribution of Jews: prime-time network TV, quality
> > Hollywood movies (ala Spielberg), Tiny Tim, Pinky Lee, Soupy Sales,
> > Joey Bishop, Rossanne!  Yeah boy. Bring on them Jews, can't live without
> > 'em.
> 
> George:
> 
> Frank ALSO neglected to mention that OTHER magnificient jewish
> contribution:  compound interest, which has led to yet ANOTHER peculiarly
> jewish institution:  the irony of a jew owning a farm that he would NEVER
> work.
> 
> Les

Also, don't forget the beloved "income tax". Yep! E. Mandel House 1916.


George Graves


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evil Beavis wrote:
> 
> George Graves wrote:
> >
> > Richard Marquez wrote:
> > >
> > > George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> > > : I wouldn't be in favor of either of those two alternatives. I would favor
> > > : sending them all back to their country of blood. Hispanics back to Central
> > > : America, Negroes back to Africa, Asians back to Asia.
> > >
> > > Europeans ("Whites"?) back to Europe...
> > >
> > > : Amarinds could stay, anyone with a European, non-Jewish background
> > > : could stay.
> > >
> > > Why?  Aren't European countries their countries of blood?
> > >
> > >         - Grego
> > >
> > > (And if someone answers this with "Us Whites built this country", please
> > > explain how that should make a bit of difference...if you truely feel
> > > this way, why not advocate kicking out the non-productive members of
> > > society (white, black, brown, whatever)).
> >
> > OK kick out all non-whites and all non-productive whites. Feel better?
> >
> > George Graves
> 
> I believe that should be non-productive non-whites and non-productive
> whites!
> 
> eB

Sorry there, guest contestant, but that's the incorrect answer. As your 
punishment here on "Truth or Consequences", you get to run bare assed
naked around in a circle while Craze', Sara, and Timothy Brown whip you
with a wet noodle!

George Graves


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Anonymous wrote:
> 
> Message Here
> 
> It is our responsibility to
> unite in pity of this small-
> minded hate. May you someday
> find humanity in you hearts.
> 
> ro
> 
>          -= The JACKASS W3 Anonymous Messaging Service =-
>   -= http://www.io.com/~wlp/aryan-page/cloc/jackass.html =-


Jackass is right!

George Graves


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Michael Paterson wrote:
> 
> Georgina Graves  laboriously printed:
> 
> >Look asshole, I'll talk to
> >you anyway I want to and you'll take it and like it, UNDERSTAND JERK?
> 
> Sorry Georgie, in my world I give the orders and people like you do
> what they're told.  Try to understand, Georgie; it's called rule by
> your betters and so you just keep your little mouth closed and obey...
===================================================================
You aren't in your pitiful little world now dick-face, you're on the internet.
If you want to play here, you'll take anything I want throw at you.
=================================================================== 
> 
> >OOOOH, we do have a butch one here don't we.
> 
> OOOOH? Butch? Asshole? S'cuse me, Georgie - or is is it Georgina...?
> so it's true what they're saying about you in soc.medical.lobotomy,
> you ARE homosexual.  I had read that the KKK and Aryan Nation were all
> sublimated failures with shrivelled penises and  low sex drives, but
> this is really startling!
====================================================================
Like most of your ilk, when you have nothing of substance to say, you resort
to high-school locker-room homosexual taunts. What's the matter JERK, 
not enough faggots where you are to satisfy your own latent homosexuality?
You gottta go look for 'em on the net?
====================================================================
> 
> >There is NOTHING you can do about it except either flame me or go
> >away. I don't really give much of a damn which it is!
> 
> Not so, Georgie. I have plans for fun for both of us.
> 
> >excoriate
> 
> Well, MY!  Guess who's been reading the Reader's Digest - Increase
> Your Word Power!  Pity it doesn't increase your brain power, Georgina,
> 
> > liqour
> 
> Where d'ya get your Master's, Georgie?  Attica?
> 
> > ex-commandos
> 
> I am not an ex-commando, Georgina.  I'm just a nice happy family man
> making our world safe for little cowardly shits like you who think
> they're just as good as real people because they can print out the
> word excoriate.  Did you have the dictionary open when you did that
> Georgie?  It's a long, long word - your finger must have had a huge
> blister on it when you got to the end!
====================================================================
You're NOTHING assshole! Absolutely NOTHING! BTW, did you like the lesson
in German I gave you yesterday?
====================================================================
=
> 
> I'll bet when you're filling in your welfare form you always put your
> tongue out against the corner of your mouth, don't you Georgie,
> because it makes it easier to concentrate, doesn't it, and it helps
> you remember how to spell Graves.
> 
> I'll bet sometimes you write Garves or Gvares and the nice welfare
> lady has to take your crayon away and repair the damage, doesn't she?
> When are you going to get a job Georgie and stop sponging off all
> those patient Jewish and black taxpayers?
> 
> >(Watch, Next this asshole will threaten my life, Ha, Ha, Ha).
> >Georgina Graves
> 
> No Georgina, I won't do that, although I know you'd like it, because
> then you can swagger round in your off-white sheet and be a big shot
> at the Klan Kook-Out. You're too important to me to damage. I need you
> around so I can have someone to look down on and despise.
> 
> I just loved your Protocols of Zion story - imagine YOU - a Lord of
> the Caucasus! - getting conned by the Russians like that!  Georgie,
> I've got a bridge for sale you might be interested in - BIG money from
> the tolls!
> 
> As a matter of interest Georgie, what was the name of the surgeon who
> bungled your lobotomy?  Come to think of it, who bungled your mother's
> abortion?  Still, just as well Georgie, or we wouldn't have you here,
> would we?
> 
> Say Hi! to your playmates, Georgie - we're going to have lots of fun
> together, you and me. Just think of me as the nightmare you've always
> wanted.  Next week I'll publish your Social Security Number, your
> address and phone number and some other details lots of people want to
> get a hold of so we can all be even cosier and get to know each other
> better.  First though I've promised Les we're going to have some fun
> because he lives closer. Don't worry though, Georgie, Uncle Mikey
> still loves you, so don't be jealous. I'm too good to you, Georgie, I
> really am!
====================================================================
You aren't gonna publish SHIT!
> 
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail
====================================================================
George Graves


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> George Graves   wrote:
> >
> >I don't know what universe you think that you are living in Bill, but in this
> >one, we are most certainly winning "this debate". I get private E-mail
> >from "lurkers" all the time which tell me that this is so. They tell me how,
> >after initially being put-off by the 'racist' side, that they have been
> >gradually won over to our way of thinking by the fact that we make YOU
> >look like utter asses (or is that asses' udders?) on a daily basis.
> 
> It's disappointing to know there are people who lack both the intelligence
> to follow a rational argument and the courage to speak up about it--but
> I remain convinced they are greatly outnumbered.  You have, perhaps,
> evidence to the contrary?
> 
> Bill
Nothing concrete. But I talk to a lot of people from all walks of life. Most
agree with me about multiculturalism. I never open the JOOISH thing with
strangers, though, it takes too much explanation. Yes, I believe that this
is basically a conservative country, and that most of the so-called "silent
majority" are against multiculturalism. I sure get a lot of kudos from 
lurkers on this NG. If I have converted 20 people to start looking at the 
world, and drawing some conclusions based upon what they see, and what
I've said, then I'm certainly content. Like I said before, If each of them
convince 20 people and each of THEM convince 20 people, soon there will
be millions of people who have had the mask of brainwashing removed from
their minds, so that they can see the damage to this country being
condoned in the name of multiculturalism.

George Graves


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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> In <4cs51t$225@enigma.uniserve.com>, hostrov@uniserve.com said:
> 
> >
> >In <30EFB2AA.3A72@aimnet.com>, George Graves  wrote:
> 
> >[snip]
> 
> >>You jews and Jew-dupes keep refering to the evidence that I said I
> >>would post by 1/1/96. I posted that evidence the week of Dec. 24.
> >>Many have seen it and commented on it. If you missed it, that's
> >>your problem, but don't keep telling others on this NG that I didn't
> >>keep my word, because I did. Just another lie to add to the fabric
> >>of falsehood and deceit which holds together the Zionist Conspiracy.
> 
> >Since courtesy and civility would appear to be foreign concepts to Mr.
> >Graves (along with knowledge of the vagaries of USENET), I would
> >appreciate it if one of those "many" who have seen this alleged "evidence"
> >post would be kind enough to repost and/or e-mail it to me.
> 
> Hilary, to put it politely, Mr. Graves is full of it.  What he posted was a
> rambling description of how the Protocols of the Elders of Zion revealed the
> genesis and depth of the Jewish world plot.  As with most of Mr. Grave's
> posts, I trashed it.  Bottom line: he promised a lot and delivered nothing.
> 
McFee, that's the oldest ploy on the books. Just because YOU don't agree
with me, you would say that what I posted was inadequate irrespective
of how comprehensive it was. As for it being "rambling", nothing could
be further from the truth. It was very structureed. Protocol stated, 
corroborating circumstantial evidence given. You might not like what
I posted (for whatever reason your personal agenda might dictate) but
to call it "rambling" is hardly fair or accurate.

George Graves


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Frank Weltner wrote:
> 
> In article <30EFB2AA.3A72@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> :Hilary Ostrov wrote:
> :>
> :> In <30ED159A.6F66@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> :> wrote:
> :>
> :> >[...] Since the Jews are in favor of curbing anyone's
> :> >ideas which differ from their agenda, they think that everybody believes
> :> >this way. It never occurs to Jews that there are people who take liberty
> :> >of thought seriously eneough to have principles about it, since they have
> :> >no such principles.
> :>
> :> And the evidence which would substantiate these serious deficiencies
> :> in all Jewish people is no doubt included in Mr. Graves' non-existent
> :> post (promised by January 1/96) of his "at least a dozen examples" of
> :> "circumstantial evidence" of "the Jewish conspiracy".
> :
> :You jews and Jew-dupes keep refering to the evidence that I said I
> :would post by 1/1/96. I posted that evidence the week of Dec. 24.
> :Many have seen it and commented on it. If you missed it, that's
> :your problem, but don't keep telling others on this NG that I didn't
> :keep my word, because I did. Just another lie to add to the fabric
> :of falsehood and deceit which holds together the Zionist Conspiracy.
> :
> :George Graves
> 
> I saw it, but just because you posted it doesn't mean that its facts and
> interpretations are correct. Besides, Jews bake better than any other
> race.
> 
> Umm, cookies, matzoh balls, pastrami, ham (ham?), bacon (bacon?), germans
> (germans?), palestinian al burno, etc., ....

Agreed (about the food too), but that's not the argument here. These people
keep posting that I did not post what I promised. If you don't want to
BELIEVE what I posted, so be it. But that's another story.

George Graves


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Michael Paterson wrote:
> 
> > George Graves  wrote:
> 
> >I live in California
> 
> No shit!  A black guy once told me it was called the Granola State -
> take out the fruits and nuts and all you have left is the flakes.
> I figure you're all three, Georgie, so I guess you're a REAL
> Californian!  Congratulations on your distinguished contribution to my
> impression of the USA!!
> 
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail

On the other hand, jerk, go fuck yourself. 


George Graves


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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: EXISTANCE OF A SO-CALLED JEWISH CONSPIRACY
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Harry Katz wrote:
> 
> In article <30F37FAE.B6B@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) whines:
> 
>         Get help before your delusions run away with you completely.
>         I know the names of some good GENTILE Psychiatrists.
> 
> If they are so good how come they cannot help Mr. Graves?
> 
> --
> Harry Katz

Help, I don't need no friggen' help. I was born with this nervous tick.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
> 
> In article <30F37E41.5DBB@aimnet.com> George Graves  writes:
> 
> >Stefan, does the term "broken record" mean anything to you? As in
> >"you're begining to sound like a......."  Wise up, the boys are laughing at
> >you.
> 
> Well, the adults are laughing at you.
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison
> t08o@unb.ca

How would you know? The adults won't let you in the same room with them.

George Graves


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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: EXISTANCE OF A SO-CALLED JEWISH CONSPIRACY
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Fresh816 wrote:
> 
> Don't forget that the entire California delegation to the Senate is also
> Jewish.  Maybe this is because THERE ARE A LOT OF JEWISH PEOPLE IN
> WISCONSIN AND IN CALIFORNIA.  Los Angeles is one the largest Jewish cities
> in the world.  Madison and Milwaukee boast of huge Jewish populations.
> Why should it surprise you that Jews get elected from these
> constituencies.  What *I* don't get, as a NY'er, is how we don't have a
> Jew in the Senate from this state, which has more Jews than Tel-Aviv and
> Jerusalem combined.
> 
> There's no conspiracy.  You're just a Jew-baiting idiot.


OK Dickhead, I'll play you're silly game. Prove it to us!

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <30F432D4.137C@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Sara aka Perrrfect wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <30F19E37.5B6B@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I just said "I wonder........" No conclusions here except that if
> > > foreign troops
> > > > came to my town and were walking around with automatic weapons on
> > > > US soil, the Constitution gives me the right to shoot the bastards,
> > > > irrespective of what 'deals' the traitor Clinton has made to the contrary.
> > > >
> > > > George Graves
> > >
> > > Calling the President of the United States a traitor is quite a claim.
> > > What is the basis of this claim?
> > >
> > > What are the facts that support this claim?
> > >
> > > And if, in fact, you honestly believe that Clinton is a traitor, what are
> > > you *doing* within the legal system about it?
> > >
> > > Or are you just blowing smoke out of your ass again?
> > >
> > > Sara
> >
> > Its called a political opinion OK?
> 
> [Graves' bullshit deleted]
> 
> Then, Graves, why don't you take your "political opinion" to a _political_
> newgroup? Or is that too much to ask from an inconsiderate asshole like
> you? You want to duscuss the Holocaust, fine. I'll discuss the Holocaust
> with you. You want to discuss current politics and your pet UN conspiracy
> theories here? Piss off. I don't have inclination to do it here in this
> newsgroup as it distracts from the reasons this newgroup is here. You,
> however, can find me in the alt.politics.*  newgroups.
> 
> At the very _least_ you should have the modicum of decency to take your
> bullshit to the proper newgroup.
> 
> Mark

Why the hell don't YOU read complete threads before throwing bricks? I
only mentioned the bastard's treason in passing. I can't help it if other 
people pick up on it. I answered the questions put to me by a Clinton
supporter and haven't made another comment about 'til now. You are a 
real asshole. Who made you the arbiter of the NG? Go fuck yourself and 
the horse you rode in on!

George Graves


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Good doggie!  Fetch some more anti-Semitic posts...
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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> In <4cuda6$mc7@curly.cc.emory.edu>, libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu said:
> 
> >
> >Milton Kleim (bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> >: In a smoke-filled room, somewhere on Vancouver Island...
> 
> >: Ken Mcvay:  "Damn that Kleim!  He's making me look like an asshole.
> >What :             are you guys gonna do?"
> 
> >This fills me with curiousity.  Do the revisionazis, humiliated here daily
> >and shown to be utter asses on a regular basis, really delude themselves
> >that they're WINNING this debate?  Could anybody really be that clueless?
> >Is there a precedent for this in the psychological literature?
> 
> No, they don't *really* think they are winning.  Yes, they can be immensely
> clueless.  The precedent would be their hero Hitler in the bunker in 1945.
> 
> --
> Gord McFee
> 
> .. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
> -- MR/2 2.26 #331
> 
> 
We ARE winning, believe me, you'll see. Maybe not today, maybe not
tomorrow, but soon; and for the rest of your life. (haven't I seen that
line before someplace?)

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.internet.media-coverage,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Simon Wiesenthal Center's *previous* Internet censorship attempts
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D B McCullagh wrote:
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Wiesenthal Centre seeks Internet Censorship
> 
>    Members of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre requested that Italian Prime
>    Minister Lamberto Dini back their initiatives to ban "racists" and
>    "extremists" from the Internet.
> 
>    Italy has been specifically targeted to support the Orwellian-ban
>    because Italy takes over the European Union presidency on January 1,
>    1996. The Wiesenthal Centre would like the enforcement of Internet
>    Censorship to occur on a European level.
> 
>    Simon Wiesenthal, known for hunting down those deemed "war criminals"
>    advocated censorhip of the Internet in a speech that he made to the
>    United Nations in New York in November.
> 
>    Wiesenthal uttered the following appeal to the U.N. "Technology
>    without hate can be so very beneficial for mankind, but in conjunction
>    with hatred it leads to disaster."
> 
>    The specifics of the Wiesenthal Centre's proposals have not been
>    detailed.
> 
>    Adapted from: Reuter, 7 December 1995.

Yes, there was an article in the paper here just yesterday in which 
Wiesenthal's people mentioned this NG in particular.
This is SO typical of Jews. They are all in favor of Freedom of Speech,
Freedom of the Press as long as those freedoms are used to advance their
agenda. Angry Young Blacks trashing the white establishment? Sure, that's
OK, they are just voicing their frustration with the system. Hispanics 
heaping verbal abuse on whites for similar reasons? Why, of course.
Freedom of Speech, you know. But the MINUTE somebody says something
against them. The INSTANT they see or hear an anti-Jewish thought, this
support for basic human rights melts away to nothing and is replaced by:
" Laws must be passed to stop this kind of talk". and "We must control the 
content of the internet". Its SOOOO transparent. Yet, many don't see it, even
when its right before their eyes. 
Don't give me this bullshit about what the Nazi's did gives the Jews the
right to be sensitive on this subject either because it doesn't excuse 
their attitude. If they went after black-against-white hate groups or 
Hispanic-against-white hate groups as well, it might be a different
story, but Wiesenthal's people don't give a damn about anything which
isn't Jew related. I say send 'em back to their primary charter; that of
ferreting ex-Nazis out of old people's homes and geriatric hospitals,
and having 90 year-olds deported, and leave freedom of speech issues
to people more qualified to take an unbiased view of the subject.

George Graves


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Mark Staloff wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : These are often the same folk you see (and hear) screaming
> : about the enviornment. Well, the only thing wrong with the enviornment,
> : is the impact that an excess of people have made upon it. It certainly
> : doesn't make a lot of sense.
> 
> Immigration is a zero-sum game; increasing US population in that respect
> shouldn't affect the environment of the Earth as a whole, because for an
> increase of energy consumption in the US, there's a corresponding
> decrease in, say, Peru.  Whereas with new children that trade-off doesn't
> occur.
> 
> Of course, one could argue that the American lifestyle promotes greater
> waste and by moving here an immigrant ups his effect on the environment,
> but I think that's much harder to quantify.
> 
Mark, I haven't researched it either, but just off the top of my head, 
I would say that your assertion is probably not true.
The types of immigrants we have these days come from really poor, third
world countries in Central America and Asia. I doubt if they used as much
energy in their homeland as they do when they come here. Most of those
people didn't have automobiles or even electricity where they came from.

Even if what you say does work out, it doesn't alter the fact that we have
too many people in this country as it is, and more will just errode 
everyone's quality of life even further.

George Graves


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Mark Staloff wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : These are often the same folk you see (and hear) screaming
> : about the enviornment. Well, the only thing wrong with the enviornment,
> : is the impact that an excess of people have made upon it. It certainly
> : doesn't make a lot of sense.
> 
> Immigration is a zero-sum game; increasing US population in that respect
> shouldn't affect the environment of the Earth as a whole, because for an
> increase of energy consumption in the US, there's a corresponding
> decrease in, say, Peru.  Whereas with new children that trade-off doesn't
> occur.
> 
> Of course, one could argue that the American lifestyle promotes greater
> waste and by moving here an immigrant ups his effect on the environment,
> but I think that's much harder to quantify.
> 
Mark, I haven't researched it either, but just off the top of my head, 
I would say that your assertion is probably not true.
The types of immigrants we have these days come from really poor, third
world countries in Central America and Asia. I doubt if they used as much
energy in their homeland as they do when they come here. Most of those
people didn't have automobiles or even electricity where they came from.

Even if what you say does work out, it doesn't alter the fact that we have
too many people in this country as it is, and more will just errode 
everyone's quality of life even further.

George Graves


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Subject: Re: APW-P Welcomes Ourobouros!!!
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R.C. Richards wrote:
> 
> folks:
> 
>         i was just thinking about how good it is to have such a hard core
> supporter of the white race as  Ourobouros show up on the ng.
>         you know there was a time a few months ago when the libs had us
> outnumbered for a month or two, but we hung in there like real white
> people have always hung in there when the going gets tough, and
> there's no doubt about it these days that we've got the libs running
> scared.
> 
> rc richards, racial theorist

Yes, I'd like to second that welcoming post. WE DO have these 
multiculturalists on the run. 

George Graves


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Michael Paterson wrote:
> 
> >In article <30F19D88.7187@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> >wrote:
> >> No, because I know better.
> 
> >schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:
> >Wouldn't it be wonderful if we *all* were as prescient as Mr. Graves?
> >
> >Wouldn't it be a better world if all of us only needed to say "I know" to
> >prove something as FACT?
> >
> >Mr. Graves "knows" better, because Mr. Graves "knows" the Protocols of
> >Zion are true. How does he know this? Doesn't matter. He just DOES.
> >
> >Mr. Graves has heard the secrets most Jews have never heard: he KNOWS that
> >there is a ZOG. You know, I've mentioned this before, but since my uncle
> >was the Director of the Holocaust Museum in Washington, you'd think HE
> >would be privy to those secrets, right? He isn't, but Mr. GRAVES is.
> >
> >And why? Why is Mr. Graves allowed access to information Jews are denied
> >about our OWN so-called conspiracy?
> >
> >Perhaps, Mr. Graves, you don't know better. Perhaps you know worse.
> >
> Ptrhaps Mr. Graves' lobotomy didn't take.  I am willing to offer my
> Canadian Tire 5/8" drill for a second bash at it if it might be
> helpful.
> 
> in loyal service to the destruction of racism


The only thing that you are in loyal service to, Patterson, is stupidity!
All you do is call people you don't even know faggots, and generally fill
this NG with what seem (even to some of the other multiculturalists here)
to be whiskey induced (I only hope, for your sake, its a good single malt,
like Laiphroiag) delusions.

George Graves 
> m paterson
> 
> racists' nightmare
> 
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Sat Jan 13 10:01:53 PST 1996
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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <30F37A23.67F9@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > william c anderson wrote:
> > >
> > > Milton Kleim (bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> > > : In a smoke-filled room, somewhere on Vancouver Island...
> > >
> > > : Ken Mcvay:  "Damn that Kleim!  He's making me look like an asshole.  What
> > > :             are you guys gonna do?"
> > >
> > > This fills me with curiousity.  Do the revisionazis, humiliated here
> > > daily and shown to be utter asses on a regular basis, really delude
> > > themselves that they're WINNING this debate?  Could anybody really
> > > be that clueless?  Is there a precedent for this in the psychological
> > > literature?
> > >
> > > Bill
> >
> > I don't know what universe you think that you are living in Bill, but in this
> > one, we are most certainly winning "this debate". I get private E-mail
> > from "lurkers" all the time which tell me that this is so.
> 
> Uh huh. Considering that your "lurkers" _volunteer_ their opinions, and
> aren't randomly polled so as to eliminate bias and such, that tosses all
> statistically validity for your assertion of "winning" right out the
> window. Your crowing sounds more like a bit of preaching to the choir. Or
> the blind leading the blind.
> 
> >They tell me how, after initially being put-off by the 'racist' side,
> that they have been gradually won over to our way of thinking by the fact
> that we make YOU look like utter asses (or is that asses' udders?) on a
> daily basis.
> 
> Uh huh. I'm sure they were "put-off by the 'racist' side" -for about two
> seconds. They sure couldn't have been wooed by your, and the deniers',
> cogent arguments and rapier-like intellects- as you've evidenced neither
> so far.
> 
> And oh, BTW, Graves, the only "utter asses" hereabouts are you and those
> who share your morally stunted beliefs. Your braying is a constant source
> of amusement.
> 
> Mark
> 

If you don't like it, I don't have to tell you what to do about it.

George Graves


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> : >From: George Graves 
> 
> : >85% of all major American newspapers are owned and/or edited, and
> : >controlled by Jews.
> 
> : >Examples:
> 
> : >New York Times - Owner/Publisher: Arthur Ochs Sulzberger
> 
> : >LA Times - Publisher: David Laventhol
> 
> Wrong.  Richard Schlosberg.
> 
> : >Atlanta Constituition - Publisher: Arnold Rosenfeld
> 
> Wrong. Roger Kintzel.  The Constitution, by the way, is owned by Anne
> Cox Chambers, who is about as gentile as it is possible for one to be.
> 
> : >Detroit Free Press - Publisher: Neil Shine
> 
> : >Washington Post - Owner/Publisher: Katherine Meyer Graham
> 
> Wrong.  The publisher of the Post is Donald Graham.
===================================================================
You are the one who's wrong Jerk. Donald Graham is K.M. Graham's 
HUSBAND. She is both owner and executive publisher. Hubby works for
her. Daddy (old man Meyer, don't remember his first name, was a Jew
as is his daughter).
===================================================================
> 
> : >There are many more.
> 
> Oh, I'm sure.  Since you've demonstrated above that you can't even do
> the most basic research without screwing up more than half the time,
> why should we believe this feeble claim?
====================================================================
Haven't screwed up yet. But its one away for you!
====================================================================

> 
> : >The Entire Communist movement was engineered and carried out
> : >by Jews. Karl Marx who 'invented' Communism was not only a Jew,
> : >but a friend and confidant of Theodore Herzl, author of the Protocols.
> : >Lenin, whose real name was  Ulanov  was a geschmott Jew (Geshmott
> : >is a Jewish term for one who changes his or her name to avoid being
> : >recognized as a Jew). Lenin's father, whose real name was  Olavin
> : >changed it to Ulanov to avoid the Czars' pogroms.
> 
> Wrong.  Lenin was not a Jew.
===================================================================
Lenin was a geschmott Jew. NOBODY in Czarist Russia changed their name
to hide from pogroms EXCEPT Jews! There would be no other reason to do
so. Olavin is a form of the name Levi (as is the name of the Israeli actress 
Dahlia Lavi. Used here as an example), and Levi is as Jewish as you can get.
Strike two.
===================================================================

> 
> : >Leon Trotsky, one
> : >of the main instigators of the 1917 Russian Revolution, and Lenin's
> : >right-hand man was born Leon Bronstein. The Jewish European banker
> : >Arthur Rothschild helped to finance the revolution as did the Americans
> : >Fels (of soap fame) and Guggenhiem (co-founder of Macy's department
> : >store). J. P. Morgan, also a Jew, contributed millions to the Communist
> : >Revolution in Russia.
> 
> Wrong.  J.P. Morgan was not a Jew.
===================================================================
J.P. Morgan. Real family name: Moganthau. Strike three, you're OUT. Take a 
bench seat, Mr. Anderson.
====================================================================
> 
> That's five very basic factual errors in the first few paragraphs of
> your screed, George.  I'm getting tired of counting...
> 
> Bill

You should be tired of making an ass out of yourself. Three pitches,
three strikes. You're 0 for 1, buddy.

George Graves


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Harry Katz wrote:
> 
> In article <30EF0756.7D0F@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) pontificates:
> 
>         The goals of these individual "organizations" is not the point
>         of this comparison. The goal is to show that just because one is
>         not privy to an organization of and by one's own people is not
>         evidence that the organization doesn't exist. It is simply
>         evidence that one has not been asked to join.
> 
> Nevertheless, Mr. Graves continues to tar the entire Jewish people
> with the "Jewish conspiracy" brush, even though he now acknowledges
> that all of the Jewish people have "not been asked to join!"
> 
> --
> Harry Katz
> 
>
You still don't get it do you Katz? I'd spill the beans, its tempting, but
I'm having too much fun with you.

George Graves


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Frank Weltner wrote:
> 
> In article <30EFBDDE.27A9@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> :Mark Staloff wrote:
> :>
> :> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> :>
> :> : Does not Israel accept all Jews wishing to go "home"?
> :>
> :> It isn't my home, in any case.  I've never been there.  I don't speak
> :> Hebrew.  Home is New Jersey.  I was born in the United States, same as
> :> you (unless - are you Canadian?), just to different parents.
> :>
> :> Mark
> :
> :The Israelis maintain that Israel is the homeland, the "promised land",
> :if you will, for all Jews. I dare say that more than 90% of the population
> :of Israel is in the same boat as you: They had never been there, didn't
> :speak Hebrew, Their homes were Poland, Austria, Romania, MInsk, New
> :Jersey, California. It didn't stop them from "going home".
> :
> :George Graves
> 
> Flimsy argument, George, unless you want to return to Europe also and give
> the country up to the Indians. Somehow, I don't think you have this in
> mind. If you do, though, we can come over next week with the wrecking
> crew, remove your house, and place buffalo there for the Indians to hunt
> and eat. How about it? Give me a call.


Actually I am contemplating retiring in Ireland (Republic Of, of course).

George Graves


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Michael Paterson wrote:
> 
> s.judd@waikato.ac.nz (Stephen Judd) wrote:
> 
> >In article <4d3eec$1om@newsource.ihug.co.nz>, p_stone@alchemy.co.nz wrote:
> 
> >> In article <4d0s4l$3hc@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, f44iht@aol.com (F44IHT) says:
> >> >
> >> >I am a black woman who is married to a white man.  I see nothing wrong
> >> >with this and neither does he.  I do not understand all this hate.  Please
> >> >explain.
> >>
> >> Trying to explain the problem to two genetic throwbacks (you and your
> >> husband) is next to impossible.
> >>
> >> If you desire an answer, look at nature when non-human (e.g., honey bees)
> >> races mix...
> >>
> >> Ourobouros.
> 
> >A good idea.
> 
> >Usually mixing different strains of the same species produces healthy,
> >strong offspring, larger and stronger than either parent. Plant and animal
> >breeders take advantage of this fact of nature all the time. The benefits
> >of continued genetic mixing explain why all higher life forms reproduce
> >sexually, and not asexually.
> 
> >On the other hand, continued endogamy (breeding within a strain)
> >eventually produces weak offspring and can concentrate genetic faults.
> 
> >You have heard of "hybrid vigour", haven't you, Mr O?
> 
> And we all remember "Deliverance" don't we.
> 
> Ourobouros is the one with the banjo.
> 
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail

 You ignoramus, the term hybrid vigor only applies to plants.

George Graves


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Frank Weltner wrote:
> 
> Help me out here, George. I'm confused on these Protocol thingies.
> 
> Am I supposed to place my fork to the right or left of the soup bowl? Or
> to the side of the salad plate? Also, where do I place the napkin. Under
> my chin? Up my ass? Please. Reply at once. The party is tomorrow.
> 
> I feel so helpless without this knowledge.

Well, Frank, the napkin gets tied in a nice bow around the end of your
dork (so that people can tell whether you're coming or going). The fork
goes in your nose (tines out, of course), and the full soup bowl is inverted
over your head and placed there, unless you are serving vichyssoise, in 
which case, you sit in the bowl. (BTW, it is considered bad manners to
scream when the boiling soup cascades down over your furrowed brow.)

George Graves


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Fresh816 wrote:
> 
> To quote a famous man (I can't remember who, so it was probably me):
> 
> This country was built with the backs of black men on the bodies of red
> men.
> 
> We can't deny history, Lester, ugly as it is.  All white men did was a lot
> of yelling and screaming and shooting if the slaves didn't work.

What assumptions. That "quote" isn't history, its some bleeding-heart
liberal's (probably Jooish) opinion.

George Graves


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Subject: The Fable of The Ducks and The Hens: Required Reading for EVERYBODY
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Marc Lemire wrote:
> 
>  The fable of the
>  Ducks And The Hens
> 
> Many, many years ago,
> When animals could speak,
> A wondrous thing the ducks befell;
> Their tale is quite unique.
> 
> Down by a pond dwelt all these ducks,
> Ten thousand at the least.
> Their duckish joys were undisturbed
> By any man or beast.
> 
> One day, down near the entrance gate,
> There was an awful din.
> A hundred hens all out of breath
> Were begging to come in.
> 
> "Oh, let us in!" the poor birds cried.
> "Before we do expire!
> "'Tis only by the merest inch
> "That we escaped the fire!"
> 
> Their feathers singed, their combs adroop,
> They were the saddest sight.
> They'd run a hundred miles or more,
> All day and then all night.
> 
> "Come in! Come in!" the ducks all quacked,
> "For you our hearts do bleed!
> "We'll share our happy lot with you,
> "Just tell us what you need!"
> 
> And so the poor, bedraggled hens
> Among the ducks moved in.
> "For, after all," the ducks declared,
> "We're sisters 'neath the skin."
> 
> Before too many months had passed,
> The hens were good as new.
> They sent for all their rooster friends,
> And these were welcomed too.
> 
> To please their hosts, the chickens tried
> To waddle and to quack.
> To simulate the duckish ways
> They quickly learned the nack.
> 
> This pleased the flock of ducks, because
> It gratified their pride.
> But hear my tale, and learn how they
> Got taken for a ride.
> 
> The ducks, it seemed, spent all their time
> In fixing up the place,
> In growing food and building homes
> And cleaning every space.
> 
> They asked the hens what they would do
> To earn their daily bread.
> "We'll teach and write and entertain,
> "And buy and sell," they said.
> 
> And so the hens began to teach
> The baby ducks and chicks.
> They traded food and eggs and things,
> With many clever tricks.
> 
> They wrote great books and put on shows;
> Of genius they'd no lack.
> It wasn't long till chickens owned
> The Duckville Daily Quack.
> 
> One day a mother duck who took
> Her ducklings to the lake,
> Was flabbergasted when one said,
> "A swim I will not take!"
> 
> "Why, ducklings always swim!" she gasped.
> "It's what you're built to do!
> "Like bunnies hop, and crickets chirp,
> "And cows 'most always moo!"
> 
> "You're nuts!" her little son replied,
> "That stuff is all old hat!
> "It's wrong for birds to swim; besides,
> "It's damned cold on my pratt!"
> 
> "Oh, fie!" the mother duck exclaimed,
> "You're talking like a fool!"
> Up quacked the other ducks and said,
> "He's right! We learned in school!"
> 
> "Such things must stop!" the mother cried,
> "Those hens can't teach such lies!
> "For sheer ingratitude and nerve,
> "I'm sure this takes the prize!"
> 
> But she was wrong, for even then
> The hens did thump the tub,
> Demanding they be let into
> The Duckville Swimming Club.
> 
> "But you don't swim!" the ducks exclaimed,
> "To join, why should you care?"
> "That's not the point!" the hens replied,
> "To exclude us isn't fair!"
> 
> The younger ducks, who'd been to school,
> Agreed right there and then:
> "To keep them out is bigotry!
> "'Twould just be anti-hen!"
> 
> Outnumbered by the younger ducks,
> The old ducks soon did lose.
> They agreed to let the hens all in,
> If they would pay the dues.
> 
> That night The Duckville Daily Quack
> contained this banner spread:
> "Reactionary Ducks Are Licked!
> "Duckville Moves Ahead!"
> 
> Down at the Duckville Gaiety,
> The young set laughed with glee,
> At cracks about "old fuddy ducks"
> In burlesque repartee.
> 
> Next day the hens were at the club.
> A petition they'd sent 'round:
> They objected to the swimming fund
> With fury and with sound.
> 
> "You use our dues to fix the pond,
> "To keep it neat and trim,
> "And this is wrong," they said, "because
> "You know we do not swim!"
> 
> "God help us all!" cried a wise old duck,
> "These chickens have gone mad!
> "We'll take this thing to court, by George!
> "And justice will be had!"
> 
> But when they went up to the judge,
> Imagine their dismay!
> A chicken-judge decreed that they
> A heavy fine must pay!
> 
> "Minorities must have their rights!"
> The judge declared right then.
> "To use hens' dues to fix the pond
> "Is very anti-hen!"
> 
> Once more The Duckville Daily Quack
> Emblazoned 'cross the page:
> "Old-Fogey Ducks Refuse to See
> "The Great New Coming Age!"
> 
> In Duckville's church on Sunday morn,
> The preacher spoke these words,
> "Discrimination's got to stop!
> "Remember, we're all birds!"
> 
> The wisest duck in all the town
> Sat down in black despair.
> "I'll write a book," he thought, "and then
> "This madness I will bare!"
> 
> "Let swimmers swim, let hoppers hop,
> "Let each one go his way.
> "Let none coerce a fellow bird!"
> Was what he had to say.
> 
> "'Twere wrong to force the hens to swim,
> "So here's the problem's crux;
> "It's just as bad for hens to try
> "To chicken-ize our ducks!"
> 
> "I can't print that," the printer said,
> "Twill put me in a mess!
> "My shop is mortgaged to the hens;
> "The chickens own my press!"
> 
> This worried duck then tried to warn
> His friends by speech and pen,
> But young ducks fresh from school just jeered.
> "He's a vicious anti-hen!"
> 
> Now up the stream a little way
> Was Gooseville on the lake.
> The hens had come to Gooseville too,
> But the geese were more awake.
> 
> When the hens began to spoil the young,
> And Gooseville's laws to flout,
> The geese rose up in righteous wrath
> And simply threw them out.
> 
> Of course you know where they all ran;
> On Duckville they converged.
> "We've got to take these refugees,"
> Was what the hens all urged.
> 
> The Duckville Daily Quack declared:
> "These geese will stop at naught!
> "They plan to conquer all the world!
> "Atrocities they've wrought!"
> 
> "That's right," the young ducks all agreed,
> "We'll help our fellow birds!
> "These geese have plans to conquer us!
> "We've read the Quack's own words!"
> 
> They let the hens from Gooseville in,
> The whole bedraggled pack.
> And every hen took up a job
> On Duckville's Daily Quack!
> 
> When Duckville's mayor's term was up,
> The Quack put up its duck.
> A vain and stupid duck was he,
> A veritable cluck!
> 
> But when he praised the wild young ducks,
> And cursed the evil geese,
> The Quack declared he was all wise;
> His praise would never cease.
> 
> The hens chipped in to help this cluck
> Give grain away for free.
> The old ducks sadly shook their heads;
> The writing they could see.
> 
> And, sure enough, this stupid duck,
> He was elected mayor.
> From this point on, the Duckville ducks,
> They never had a prayer.
> 
> The mayor said, "Gooseville must go!
> "We'll wipe them off the map!"
> While Duckville slept, the scheming hens
> For Gooseville set a trap.
> 
> They called the geese by filthy names;
> They filled their pond with sticks.
> They helped the weasels catch the geese,
> And other hennish tricks.
> 
> The geese got mad and threw some rocks.
> "It's war!" the Quack announced.
> "We ducks must fight those evil geese
> "'Till they've been soundly trounced!"
> 
> The ducks (who knew not of the tricks
> Indulged in by the mayor)
> Were filled with patriotic zeal,
> And pitched right in for fair!
> 
> Now when the ducks had whipped the geese,
> The mayor called "Retreat!"
> "Our hennish friends should really take
> "Gooseville's big main street!"
> 
> The hens were back in Gooseville now.
> They starved and beat the geese.
> They prayed for peace -- but organized
> The "Hennish Armed police!"
> 
> They drained the Gooseville swimming pond;
> They de-goose-ified the schools;
> They wrung the neck of Gooseville's mayor
> On lately made up rules.
> 
> They formed a council of the hens:
> "United Birds" the name
> The other birds who joined the thing
> Did not perceive the game.
> 
> No sooner had they set this up,
> Then they announced their plan
> To seize up Swanville as a home
> For all their hennish clan.
> 
> They took a vote amongst the hens,
> And everyone approved!
> "Swanville was for hens!" they said,
> "Way back, before we moved."
> 
> And so they kicked the swans all out
> With Duckville's help and power,
> And Duckville couldn't understand
> Why swans on them turned sour.
> 
> By this time, Duckville was a mess;
> The young ducks had gone mad.
> They stole and laughed at truth and law;
> They went completely bad.
> 
> The hens were selling loco weed
> In every nasty den.
> But ducks who dared to mention this
> Were labeled "anti-hen."
> 
> The hens all preached of tolerance.
> They invoked the Golden Rule,
> But they subsidized the indigent,
> The greedy, and the fool.
> 
> At last the very dumbest ducks
> Began to smell a rat.
> "This mayor is no good!" they cried,
> "And we will soon fix that!"
> 
> But the hens had planned for even this;
> A candidate they had
> Whom even wise old ducks believed
> Just never could be bad.
> 
> This hen-tool duck had whipped the geese;
> A soldier-duck was he.
> Although the hens had set him up,
> The ducks all thought him free.
> 
> This hen-tool duck got elected,
> Through ignorance and greed,
> Through hennish lies in press and speech,
> Through bribes of chicken feed.
> 
> The hens now kicked the ducks around
> Without a blush of shame,
> Until the mayor ran the town
> In nothing else but name.
> 
> They pumped the swimming pool all dry;
> They taught the ducks to crow.
> While duckish numbers dwindled,
> The hens' began to grow.
> 
> The hens stirred up the happy crows
> From out the piney wood,
> To come and mix with all the ducks
> In the name of brotherhood.
> 
> Things got so bad that fifty ducks
> Who knew of days gone by
> Took up their wives and children
> And decided that they'd fly.
> 
> They flew through storm and tempest;
> They froze, and many died.
> But on they drove, until, at last,
> A lovely lake they spied.
> 
> They settled down exhausted,
> But soon went straight to work
> To build and clear and cultivate.
> No danger did they shirk.
> 
> Now, after many years of toil,
> This little band had grown.
> The fields around were full of grain
> From seeds that they had sown.
> 
> The first ducks now were long since dead;
> Their struggles now had ceased.
> Through hard work and suffering,
> Their joys had been increased.
> 
> One day near the entrance gate
> There was an awful din;
> A hundred hens, all out of breath,
> Were begging to come in.
> 
> "Oh, let us in!" the poor birds cried,
> "Before we do expire!
> "'Tis only by the merest inch....."
> And now our tale repeats itself entire.
> 
> George Lincoln Rockwell
> 1918-1967
> 
> (C) 1975 The National Alliance
>          P.O. Box 2723
>          Arlington, VA 22202
> 


This is the best explanation of how World Zionism works that I have ever
seen. No one could possibly read it without getting the point.

George Graves


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Harry Katz wrote:
> 
> In article <30F30426.7410@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) discusses the notorious forgery,
> "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion:"
> 
>         I have come across the Pyotr Ivanovich Rachkovsky connection
>         before, but I tend to discount it.
> 
> Mr. Graves gives no reason for discounting Rachkovsky as the forger
> responsible for the "Protocols" but the reason is patently obvious.
> As Rachkovsky is not a Jew, and his authorship would establish
> conclusively that the work is a forgery, Mr. Graves cannot use it to
> bash Jews, so he "tends to discount it!"
> 
>         Ilya Tsion, on the other hand, is a name I know well.  He was a
>         Jew (Tsion is another spelling for Zion like Tsar is another way
>         to spell Czar) and a member of the first "World Zionist
>         Convention" held in Basil Switzerland in 1892. He was, in point
>         of fact, Herzl's right-hand man at that little gathering
>         (Source: "Father Coughlin and the Zionists" By Charles J. Tull,
>         Syracuse University Press, 1962). He may have actually been the
>         scribe for the meeting (although I don't know this as fact and
>         Tull doesn't say what Tsion's actual duties were).
> 
> So far, so good, but look at the leap of faith Mr. Graves makes in
> very next sentence:
> 
>         If he was, then it is only natural for him to have been the
>         actual "author" of the 'Protocols' (being that they are
>         resolutions of a group of people, attributing authorship to
>         him would be like saying the U.S. Senate scribe is the author
>         of the 'Congressional Record').
> 
> Mr. Graves conveniently ignores the fact that the World Zionist
> Convention held in Switzerland in 1892 produced minutes of the
> convention and they are not the "Protocols!"  The text of the
> "Protocols" themselves do not mention any date, time, or place, and
> the Basil connection was invented.
> 
> Furthermore, a comparison between the "Protocols" and the Congressional
> Record will quickly demonstrate that the former is an out-and-out
> forgery.  The Congressional Record contains the details of debate and
> legislation that refer to real people, places, and events by name.
> The "Protocols" contain no debate, just a very long and tedious
> lecture about attaining political power in an abstract sense, with
> absolutely no references to any real people, places, and events
> whatsoever -- except a vague assertion that the "conspiracy" was
> responsible for the French Revolution.
> 
> In other words, the "Protocols" contain formulations like, "We shall
> demoralize the labor force by introducing them to alcoholism."  But
> what it does not contain is any formulations like this, "So-and-so
> will take over operations in Such-and-such country.  He will report
> to So-and-so.  So-and-so will report to him."  Nor are there any
> formulations like this, "We found that Tactic X worked well for
> So-and-so in Such-and-such country, so we are advising all cells in
> all countries to adopt this tactic."  In other words, the "Protocols"
> contain many ideas that could be disseminated via pamphlets and
> books, but none of the practical day-to-day details that require a
> convention for resolution.
> 
>         At any rate, he would have had a copy, and they could have
>         gotten away from him. There is no way of knowing.
> 
> Yes, there is "a way of knowing!"  Look up the minutes of the Basil
> convention.  They were not "gotten away" from the "scribe" of the
> convention -- they were published by the convention!
> 
> If the Basil convention had indeed produced the "Protocols" then the
> only conclusion an intelligent person could reach is that the
> convention was totally useless and conducted by the totally inept;
> that regardless of the egotistical rhetoric of the "Protocols" the
> authors are totally incapable of initiating and carrying through such
> a fantastic scheme.
> 
> --
> Harry Katz
> 

Katz, you make so many leaps in logic here, that it is difficult to
know where to start. You proceed from the belief that the 'Protocols'
are flase, yet you can provide no proof that they are. I, on the other
hand proceed from the premis that the 'Protocols' are real. The difference
is that I can look at 20th century history and see where each protocol
has been carried out. Many (although, not all) things mentioned in the 
'Protocols' as a blueprint for world chaos and domination, have and are
taking place. I have posted the 'Protocols' in both PDF and plain text
format at my ftp site, for ANYONE to download.
They can read the 'Protocols' and see for themselves how most of 
the methodology explained in the document HAS and IS taking place. 
To me, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and this pudding tastes
like gefilte fish!

ftp://ftp.aimnet.com

User: anonymous
password: gmgraves@aimnet.com
path: /pub/users/gmgraves/public.

I'm not afraid of putting my money where my mouth is, how about you?

George Graves


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Michael Paterson wrote:
> 
> t08o@unb.ca (MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY) wrote:
> 
> >In article <30F37BCA.2C31@aimnet.com> George Graves  writes:
> 
> >>Bullshit! Layfayette was a "Friend of the Republic" and operated under the
> >>aegis of General Washington, as did the Huegenots, which were paid
> >>mercenaries. The UN troops are NOT under US command and have jurisdiction
> >>over American civilians. I hope your not trying to tell me that you support
> >>this outrage? Because, if you do, you are a traitor too.
> 
> >Aaaahhhhhh, poor baby.  Why is it that UN procedures that allow commanders
> >of other nations doesn't seem to bother anybody else?  Maybe because they
> >are mature enough to realize that sometimes other people are just as good
> >(if not better than) their own?  Or is it that rather sad residue of
> >manifest destiny that prevents some Americans from admitting that they might
> >not be the omniscient and omnipotent assholes they think they are?
> 
> Yeah, when I was in the Army and under the NATO flag, the Commanding
> General was Speidel, a former Nazi general.  Even so, he was
> exonerated of any war crimes and was a damned fine general, even
> though HE never went to West Point.
> 
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail


None of that is relevant. Foreign troops on American soil, under foreign
command is simply ILLEGAL. The President has no RIGHT (under the 
Constitution) to condone or allow such a thing. Only Congress has that
power, and they would have to change the law to allow it.
You liberals are all alike. You scream for protection under the law, until
the law becomes 'inconvenient' to your agenda, then you want it changed.
This country has a Constitution precisely to keep fashion from influencing
policy. The Zionists with their CFR might win eventually, but as of today,
the Constitution is still in effect, and Clinton is ignoring both it and
his oath to uphold it.

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Sat Jan 13 19:08:57 PST 1996
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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <30F64537.2E9D@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
>   :Yes, there was an article in the paper here just yesterday in which
>   :Wiesenthal's people mentioned this NG in particular.
>   :This is SO typical of Jews.
> 
> No more so than the White Power movement is typical of caucasians.
> 
>   :They are all in favor of Freedom of Speech, Freedom of the Press as long as
>   :those freedoms are used to advance their agenda.
> 
> And this is a uniquely Jewish trait because...? Are you willing to argue
> that I, for instance, would be allowed to speak my mind in Les Griswold's
> Whitopia(tm)?
====================================================================
If not, I wouldn't support Les' vision of Whitopia any more than I support
World Zionism.
====================================================================
> 
> In every movement, race, and ethnicity, there are those who will sacrifice
> principle for expediency. It is up to those of us who believe in
> principles, in the power of ideas, in the resurgent power of truth, to
> reject calls for censorship, from whatever corner they may come.
> 
>   :Angry Young Blacks trashing the white establishment? Sure, that's
>   :OK, they are just voicing their frustration with the system.
> 
> Yup.
> 
>   :Hispanics heaping verbal abuse on whites for similar reasons? Why, of course.
>   :Freedom of Speech, you know.
> 
> Absogoddamnedlutely.
> 
>   :But the MINUTE somebody says something against them. The INSTANT they see or
>   :hear an anti-Jewish thought, this support for basic human rights melts away
>   :to nothing and is replaced by " Laws must be passed to stop this kind of
>   :talk". and "We must control the content of the internet". Its SOOOO
>   :transparent. Yet, many don't see it, even when its right before their eyes.
> 
> Let me make this perfectly clear. I believe in meeting those with whom I
> disagree. I believe in countering lies with the truth, not with a muzzle.
> The Wiesenthal center is dead wrong on this issue. On this point, the ACLU
> and EFF agree with me (or I with them. Whatever).
> 
>   :Don't give me this bullshit about what the Nazi's did gives the Jews the
>   :right to be sensitive on this subject either because it doesn't excuse
>   :their attitude.
> 
> They are entitled to their attitude, whatever it may be. As participants
> in a free society, they are obligated to keep their hands of of my
> attitude and yours.
> 
>   :If they went after black-against-white hate groups or Hispanic-against-white
>   :hate groups as well, it might be a different story, but Wiesenthal's people
>   :don't give a damn about anything which isn't Jew related.
> 
> So they are not credible because they act only on the behalf of "their
> people," however they define the term? By that criterion, you are credible
> because...?
> 
> Again, I'll throw my lot in with those driven by principle, not by
> constituency--those who listen to what is said rather than who is saying
> it. That's a small category. The ACLU and the EFF are in it.
> 
>   :I say send 'em back to their primary charter; that of
>   :ferreting ex-Nazis out of old people's homes and geriatric hospitals,
>   :and having 90 year-olds deported, and leave freedom of speech issues
>   :to people more qualified to take an unbiased view of the subject.
> 
> Agreed, as far as the substance of your point goes. The Wiesenthal Center
> is dead wrong. You will find me consistent on this point--I have never
> supported silencing those with whom I disagree. Let all ideas have a full
> airing. If the racists are on the fringes, as I believe they are, we have
> nothing to fear. If they win in an unfettered exchange of ideas, they
> obviously deserve to. I, for one, find my freedoms worthless if they do
> not extend to everyone.
> 
> I will promise that, as long as I draw breath, I will defend your right to
> speak your mind without prejudice. Voltaire had it right--I may disagree
> with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
> 
> Bring it on. Give me your arguments, and I'll give you mine. May the
> strongest argument win.
> 
> Can I expect the same courtesy from the other side? Could I extract the
> same promise? Or will I draw more of the same old threats about a lamppost
> and a noose with my name on them, come the revolution?
> 
> We shall see who is genuinely dedicated to the ideal of free speech, and
> whose pious pronouncements ring hollow.
===================================================================
We are in complete agreement on this point.

George Graves
====================================================================
> 
>      --------------------------------------------------------
>               "You come to see what you want to see
>            You come to see, but you never come to know."
>                         --Kinky Friedman
>      --------------------------------------------------------
>  Andy Walton  *  atticus@mindspring.com  *  finger for e.e. cummings
>               http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus/


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : Nothing concrete. But I talk to a lot of people from all walks of life. Most
> : agree with me about multiculturalism.
> 
> We're not talking about multiculturalism here, George; I have no doubt
> that a majority of people in the country say they disapprove of that.
> What we're talking about is the idea that there's a gigantic Jooish
> Konspiracy to control the world, one facet of which is the promulgation
> of fake holocaust stories.  I'd venture to assert that the percentage of
> the US population ready to buy that is well down into the single digits.
====================================================================
I have NEVER denied the holocaust, on this NG or anywhere else!
====================================================================
> 
> : I never open the JOOISH thing with
> : strangers, though, it takes too much explanation. Yes, I believe that this
> : is basically a conservative country, and that most of the so-called "silent
> : majority" are against multiculturalism.
> 
> Again, we aren't talking about multiculturalism.
====================================================================
I am!
====================================================================
> 
> : I sure get a lot of kudos from
> : lurkers on this NG. If I have converted 20 people to start looking at the
> : world, and drawing some conclusions based upon what they see, and what
> : I've said, then I'm certainly content.
> 
> Since your arguments are invariably refuted soon after you post them, I
> doubt you've converted anybody at all.
====================================================================
By who? Certainly not you. You are wrong almost every time you try to 
shut me down. Like the post about my facts being wrong vis-a-vis 
newspapers, Lenin and Morgan. Check out my answer. YOU LOSE AGAIN.
====================================================================
> 
> : Like I said before, If each of them
> : convince 20 people and each of THEM convince 20 people, soon there will
> : be millions of people who have had the mask of brainwashing removed from
> : their minds, so that they can see the damage to this country being
> : condoned in the name of multiculturalism.
> 
> There's that word again...
=====================================================================
Yes Anderson, its my beef about the world, and going to destroy this country
if it isn't stopped!

George Graves
=====================================================================


> 
> Bill


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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: Movin' jews! (was: It sure as hell WASN'T!)
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Sara aka Perrrfect wrote:
> 
> In article <30F432D4.137C@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > As to blowing smoke. I'll leave that to you. You Jews have made a religion
> > out of it.
> >
> > George Graves
> 
> Of course. When in doubt, just yell "JOOOO!"
> 
> Nice to see you're consistent.
> 
> Also, [you might want to jot this one down] liar is not spelled lyer.
> Also, what evidence do you have that Hillary Clinton is a whore?
================================================================
Thanks for the spelling lesson. In Hillary's case, "whore" is a term of 
endearment, and she is going to fall for this Whitewater fiasco.
================================================================ 
> 
> Political OPINIONS, Mr. Graves, usually begin with the phrase, "I think
> that..." But since you DON'T think, I guess that never occured to you.
================================================================
Actually, only the invective is an opinion. That Billy-boy has violated
his oath to uphold the Constitution of The United States (a document 
in which you liberals obviously DO NOT believe) is a fact, not an 
opinion. That any president who willingly and knowingly does this is,
by definition, a traitor, is also not an opinion, but fact.

George Graves
> 
> Sara
> 
> --
> "Who CARES if Hitler killed six million jews, or sixty million?  He
> identified the problem facing post-WWI Germany, and took decisive action to protect HIS people."
>     The Wit and Wisdom [sic] of Les Griswold


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Michael Paterson wrote:
> 
> Marty Kelley  wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Michael Paterson wrote:
> 
> >> Do you actually have to be gay to join the Aryan Nation, or is it just
> >> the leadership?  I'll bet you and Georgie and Les have a wonderful
> >> time when you're alone, dancing under the moonbeams, hanging onto each
> >> other's tiny tools!
> 
> >You know, I really hate it when someone attempts to oppose one form of
> >bigotry (racism) with another form of bigotry (homophobia).
> 
> >A plague o' both thy houses!
> 
> You're absoluely right Mr. Kelley, but I'm just playing the house
> rules
> 
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail

Mr. Kelly, this Paterson scum is hung-up on homosexuality. I think he 
has called everybody on this NG who disagree with him a homo. Methinks
the gentleman doth protest too much.

George Graves


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Ethan Stein wrote:
> 
> George Graves  writes:
> < snip >
> >> >
> >> > No, you'd rather "watch from the sidelines" and survive a Jewish takeover!
> >> > Remember, that "One World" and "World Government" that you keep hearing
> >> > about is a euphemism for "World Zionism".
> >> >
> >> > George Graves
> >>
> >> Graves, the only reason anybody ever hears the phrases "One World" and
> >> "World Government" is because fruitcakes like you scream it at the top of
> >> their lungs. I surmise that this is a ploy to get attention. Much like a
> >> two-year-old's tantrum. I wondr if the "solution" to a two-year-old's
> >> temper tantrum would convince _you_ to stop screaming about bizarre
> >> conspiracy theories at the top of your lungs?
> >>
> >> Mark
> Graves blathers on:
> >Right! You just watch as the soverienty of the United States continues
> >to be absorbed by the United Nations. We already have placed our troops
> >under its aegis in all but name. Next summer, you'll get to see U.N. troops
> >from foreign nations, wearing their blue helmets (the same blue, I might
> >add as the Israeli Flag -Coincidence? I wonder), patrolling the streets of
> >Atlanta WITH MACHINE GUNS during the Summer Olympics there. Seems to
> >me that someone hasn't screamed "WORLD GOVERNMENT" loudly ENOUGH.
> >And after America sees that really happen, I'll bet it will be more than
> >just "fruitcakes" like me screaming about it too!
> 
> >George Graves
> 
> George, you must be monumentally dim. Until very recently the U.N. held
> that Zionism was equivalent to racism. Who was behind this, World Jewry?
> I'd like to see you rationalize that one. The resolution equating Zionism
> with racism was the product ofthe non-aligned states, arab states and the
> soviets. I guess in your demented world view, somehow the Jews were behind
> the resolution after all to cleverly fool everybody, and the arabs, non-
> alignds, and soviets were all Jewish dupes. Only someone suffering from
> psychotic tunnel vision could believe that one.
> Zionism's goal is to have a Jewish homeland in the state of Israel. Even the
> most avid Zionists only want that homeland to be within the biblical borders
> of Israel, which would still be a state smaller than most of the other nations on the planet. You'd be pretty hard pressed to find any zionists who want
> to occupy the streets of Atlanta!
> Your reasoning is so insane that you actually see a connection between the
> color of U.N. troop helmets and the Israeli flag. By that 'logic' George, do
> suppose that all true patriotic Americans want to speak french  and eat
> croissants? After all, our flag and the French flag are both red, white, and
> blue.
> 
> Where do you get the idea that U.S. sovereignty is being absorbed by the U.N.?
> Just look at current events. No matter what your views are of the international
> intervention in Bosnia, the fact is that that intervention has just been taken
> over *from* the U.N. *by* NATO (led by the U.S. ).
> 
> Ethan Stein
> 
> 


To answer that, Mr. Stein, I suggest that you read a book entitled:
"Global Tyranny....Step By Step, The United Nations and The Emerging
New World Order" By William F. Jasper. Western Islands Publisher, 
Appleton, Wisconsin, 1992. Library of Congress #92-081764.
The most telling of all the revelations to found here, sir is the speech
made by UN Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali in 1992, in which
he said: " The time of absolute and exclusive sovereignty of any nation
or group of nations has passed" It has also been the official policy of
the United States Government since 1961 to disarm America and create
a UN army (State Department Publication 7277: "Freedom From War")

George Graves


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ANTIFA@pi-user.pi.net wrote:
> 
> You fascist do not deserve to live.
> Just you wait untill the SYNDICATE gets to you and you WILL be scared
> I just love to watch you internal organs swinging from the trees in my garden
> And to all those assholes who hide their faces under white caps: go fuck your
> 
> selves we are going to get to you eventually and than you will learn a new
> 
> definition of pain.
> You will burn you motherfucking scum.
> If Hitler was still alive you would be licking the crack of his ass after he
> 
> took a shit if he told you so just because you have a brain the sice of an
> 
> molecule.
> You are nothing but low life scum and have no right , to speak on your terms ,
> 
> to polute this planet.
> 
> We will take you down one by one
> 
> COMMUNISM WILL RISE

This is funny. This guy talks about OUR internal organs hanging from 
trees, about how HIS group will burn us, and "take you down one 
by one". And he calls US fascists! 
I'm afraid little man, you just don't get it.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Bigots at odds (was: ANOTHER whopper for you exterminationists)
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Rick, Jones wrote:
> 
> >   George Graves  writes:
> 
> >  Gassing? Who said anything about gassing? What the Nazis did is only of
> >  historical interest to me (and its a subject which suffers, IMHO, from
> >  overexposure). I am not a Nazi. I do not advocate so-called hate crimes
> >  against anyone. I am for exposing the Jewish conspiracy so that it
> >  collapses (conspiracies can't stand up in the light of day
> 
> Well, start exposing, George.  Provide some EVIDENCE to support
> this absurd position, and it might seem less absurd.  Tell us:
> 
> 1.  WHO is in on the conspiracy?
> 
> 2.  WHAT is it they're conspiring to do?
> 
> 3.  WHERE are they meeting?
> 
> 4.  WHEN are these meetings?  When are the conspiratorial acts carried out?
> 
> 5.  WHY are "they" (remember, you have to tell us who They are) doing this?
> 
> 6.  HOW is it "they" can do this?

What, you don't understand a conspiracy? Its all sub rosa. Its 
compartmentized. Even different cell members are not aware
of other cells, or, in many cases, who their leaders are. That's
how conspiracies work. Usually one can only see the tips of 
icebergs: A Jewish name here and there sprinkled among the 
non-Jew. The only way, most of the time, to detect a conspiracy,
is by the results. This one is huge. But we have their plan 
"The Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion". If we read them
and look around, we will see the results everywhere.
To understand how a classic conspiracy actually works, study
the so-called "Teapot Dome Scandle". It brought down Warren
G. Harding's administration over 70 years ago, and we still
don't know who all the perpetraitors were, so well were their
tracks hidden. In fact, if one of the conspirators, Albert Fall,
(from whence comes the phrase "fall guy") hadn't spilled the
beans, we'd never have found out about it.
You might want to read a poem posted on this NG earlier in the 
week called "Fable of the Ducks and Hens". Its a great little 
parable and it very simply explains how the Zionist conspiracy 
works better than anything I have seen in a long time.

George Graves


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Sodalite wrote:
> 
> George Graves  wrote:
> 
> >Michael Paterson wrote:
> >
> >> I'll go anywhere I like, Graves - and watch your mouth! I won't have
> >> some jumped-up yapping cracker-trash talking to me like he was my
> >> equal.  Mind your manners, boy! You're not talking to your mother now.
> >================================================================
> >OOOOH, we do have a butch one here don't we. Look asshole, I'll talk to
> >you anyway I want to and you'll take it and like it, UNDERSTAND JERK?
> >There is NOTHING you can do about it except either flame me or go
> >away. I don't really give much of a damn which it is!
> 
> Isn't it funny that those who are poor, uneducated slobs always have a
> problem finding decent nouns?  Surely, Mr. Graves, you can easily scan
> this vast word pool of the English language and come up with some
> thing that doesn't require you to sound like a two-bit hoodlum.
> 
> You guys are like fish:  You take the bait, and you stink.
> 
> >Do you have anything IMPORTANT to say, there Butch? Personal insults
> >don't convey much information. If all you want to do is excoriate those
> 
> If personal insults don't convey much information, as you pointed out,
> why did you insist on insulting Mr. Paterson?  I also wonder why you
> call him "Butch"; is this a new synonym for "liberal"?  I've noticed
> this is a word you guys toss about like confetti.
> 
> Cheerio...Tanya
> 
> ======================================================================
> = I could never be a white supremacist (sic).  I could not imagine   =
> = being hated by every man, woman and child who has the right to be  =
> = on this planet.  I could not imagine being as shallow as a mirror. =
> = I would not like to think that my only allies are a bunch of       =
> = raving lunatics who wouldn't help another person if they were      =
> = in need.  I would not like to be thought of as an idiot by         =
> = the world.  I could not imagine what being like that would do to   =
> = me as a person who embraces life as something beautiful.  I could  =
> = not hate like that.  I could never be a white supremacist (sic).   =
> ======================================================================

You need to have read this entire thread. I suggest you do so in the future.
It might stop you from putting your proverbial foot in your proverbial 
mouth.
This guy Paterson comes on threatening people, making wild accustaions,
and generally wasting people's time. I talk like a two-bit hoodlum TO a 
two bit hoodlum for that is precisely what this Paterson guy is. As to
why I insult him, why do you insult me? Same reason.
I called the jerk "Butch" because he A) comes on so strongly with empty
threats while being very careful to make sure that we understand that
he was some kind of special forces commando. and B) He calls EVERYBODY
a queer. I figure the "gentleman doth protest too much", hence "Butch".

Have I explained my actions thuroughly enough teacher? Can I go back to
my seat now? 

Oh, your little "signature"? Before I throw up, I just want to say one word,
"kneejerk"!

George Graves


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Pyramid 00 wrote:
> 
>      I left this newsgroup close to a year ago after battling and pretty
> much handling
> Mr. Les Griswold for a few months.  It is amazing that I return many
> months later only
> to see guess who, still misappropriating facts and distorting history.
>     Advice to all engaged in keyboard warfare with Les Griswold:  You are
> wasting
> a very precious element called TIME !  There isn't much of it to go around
> so I would
> suggest that you don't allow a mentally smothered individual like Mr.
> Griswold to tie up
> the time that could be better spent wiping your ass or cleaning your toes.
>  Those tasks
> should take priority over speaking with a man who is, on his best day,
> retarded.  He is
> typical of the white-power movement followers;  neglected individuals who
> seek out
> the movement for protection against phantom enemies and also to receive
> the attention
> that mommy and daddy failed to give them during the critical formative
> years.
> JUST SAY NO TO GRISWOLD !
> 
> This has been the beloved PYRAMID00@Aol.com


Leave it again. We don't need you.

George Graves


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Ourobouros wrote:
> 
> In article <4d2li4$el5@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>, piso@ix.netcom.com (F.M.L. ) says:
> >
> >Here is some interesting history:
> >
> >The word "Aryan" means, literally "us people of this region;" further,
> >it was used by those who inhabited the Indus River Valley, located
> >today, of course in India, so many, many centuries ago.And the
> >inhabitants were NOT caucasion.
> >
> Please prove that Aryan means "us people of this region."
> 
> Please prove that the Aryans were NOT Caucasion.
> 
> Are you aware of Iran and it's (ancient) history?
> 
> Ourobouros.

Caucasians are so called because they (supposedly) originated in an 
area of the Caucus mountains called Circassia. The people who Saddam
Hussein is persecuting in northern Iran (and who George Bush abandoned
after promising to help them), are these people. There was a National
Geographic magazine in the early '90's which had a picture of a beautiful
young girl with piercing blue eyes on the cover. She was dirty, and looked
very sad (you know the picture). This girl is (as are all her people)
a caucasian, and therefore white.

George Graves


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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> >> I take it that means you do *not* want to debate the issues, but have
> your
> >> mind made up on them.  Is this correct?  If so, I won't waste either of
> our
> >> time (except to flame you of course).
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gord McFee
> 
> >Sure, McFee, I want to debate issues that ARE debateable. On the other
> >hand, there are some subjects upon which there can be no debate, unless
> >your side comes up with some new evidence that I have yet to consider. You
> >see, many of these issues have been studied, dissected, scruitinized, and
> >ultimately, closed. I have no more interest in going over them again than
> >you would have in re-visiting your A-B-Cs. They are BASICS, learned once,
> >and non-debatable. You bring up an issue which IS debatable (such as the
> >one I had going for a while with several members of the NG about Freedom
> >of Speech here and in Canada before it got silly) and I will be happy to
> >debate anyone. But if you just want to drag out the same tired, old
> >Roosevelt liberal rhetoric, I'm not interested, and will respond with
> >flames and flippant remarks.
> 
> In other words, you have closed your mind and don't wish to debate anything.
> That's what I thought.
> 
> --
> Gord McFee
> 
> .. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
> -- MR/2 2.26 #331

Have it your own way, but you have just demonstrated WHO really has
the closed mind here.

George Graves
> 
>


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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Movin' jews! (was: It sure as hell WASN'T!)
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MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
> 
> In article <30F7BE48.60B5@aimnet.com> George Graves  writes:
> 
> >And you still haven't addressed the main point. Clinton is a traitor via
> >blatant violation of his Oath of Office. If he were a Republican President,
> >calls for impeachment would be screaming from the front page of every
> >newspaper in the country, and would be the lead story of every news
> >broadcast, but due to the media's leftist bias, anything the slimy little
> >prick does is just fine with them.
> 
> You mean like they did for Ronald "I didn't know about that arms-for-
> hostages thing...really" Reagan and George "I didn't either" Bush?
> 
> Howzabout Richard "I am not a crook" Nixon, the famous crook, currently
> being historically revised to be not such a bad guy?
> 
> Traitors like them, d'ya mean?
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison
> t08o@unb.ca

They didn't violate the Constitution and the media did SCREAM for their
impeachment. Its just that clearer heads pervailed.

George Graves


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Phil Nicholls wrote:
> 
> George Graves  raged:
> 
> >Its called a political opinion OK? Yeah, just watch the lyin' little
> >weasle talk outa both sides of his mouth at once. And that whore
> >he's married too, she is as big a lyer as he is. And THAT bitch is
> >going to jail. Just you watch!
> >As to him being a traitor, he agreed to this totally unconstitutional
> >UN "peacekeeping" thing for the Summer Olympics in Atlanta (US
> >Code, Volume XIV, Public Law 81), that makes him a traitor. Add
> >to that his totally illegal and unconstitutional retroactive tax law
> >of 1993 (Article 1, section 9 of the US Constitution. To wit: "No
> >Bill of Attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed." This is a
> >President who has broken his oath to uphold the Constitution  at least
> >twice. If that doesn't make the slimy bastard a traitor, I don't know
> >what does.
> >As to what I'm going to do about it. WE Americans are going to vote the
> >asshole out, that's what were going to do about it!
> 
> >As to blowing smoke. I'll leave that to you. You Jews have made a religion
> >out of it.
> 
> >George Graves
> 
> You are a sad, pathetic little man, Mr. Graves.
> 
> Phil Nicholls  

Why, because I have pointed out chapter and verse where Clinton has
violated his Oath of Office? In other words, as a liberal, you don't 
care that Clinton has violated the Constitution as long as he advances
the liberal agenda.

George Graves


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Eric Berlin wrote:
> 
> declanm@netcom.com (D B McCullagh) had this to say:
> 
> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> >Jan 9 -- BOSTON (AP) -- White supremacist groups that once spread their
> >racist messages at rallies and in leaflets are now going high-tech
> >on the Internet -- a trend a leading Jewish human rights group wants
> >to stop.
> >        The Simon Weisenthal Center on Tuesday began sending hundreds of
> >letters to Internet access providers asking them to refuse to carry
> >messages that ``promote racism, anti-Semitism, mayhem and
> >violence.''...
> 
> I suppose it's useless to argue this with some people, but do you
> notice that the SWC is *asking* *the Internet providers* not to
> supply access to such groups?
> 
> This is a far cry from *demanding* *the government* to stop such
> activities.  In other words, the SWC efforts are a far cry from
> censorship.

You Jews have a wonderful gift of twisting reality to fit your own evil
agenda, don't you? Asking internet providers to deny access to groups
with which you do not agree is ASKING FOR CENSORSHIP any way you
cut it. If a provider complies, the provider is censoring their customers.
No amount of Jewish obfuscation can hide that point.

George Graves


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> In article <4d7maa$i8v@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> cburian@uiuc.edu (Christopher J. Burian) writes:
> 
> >joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:
> 
> >]Oooo, poor baby.  Can't take criticism from the Wiesenthal Center?
> 
> >]Suffer.
> 
> >]And do look up the words "censorship" and "criticism" -- they're in different
> >]places in the dictionary for a good reason.
> 
> >The illiberal extremists at the Wiesenthal Center are calling for censorship.
> 
> Well, no, they're not.  They're advocating that ISPs behave responsibly;
> they're not advocating that the government prevent them from not behaving
> responsibly.  The notion that any exercise of self-restraint is censorship is
> a pretty silly one.
> 
> I don't know why you folks have such difficulty with the notion that criticism
> is not censorship, but there you have it . . .
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Joel Rosenberg   |

More Jewish curve fitting. If a definition doesn't fit the circumstances,
change the definition.

George Graves


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David [Dragon] Fiedler wrote:
> 
> In article <30F64537.2E9D@aimnet.com>,
>    George Graves  wrote:
> 
> >This is SO typical of Jews.
> 
> Anyone who says something like this is prima facie prejudiced.
> 
> David (Dragon) Fiedler Internet:david@infopro.com Phone:916/677-5870
> Music/flying/cool links! Start at http://spider.lloyd.com/~dragon/david.html
> Bronx Science Alumni Mailing List: bronx-science-request@infopro.com
> Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.


If your cat shreds your sofa and you say "This is so typical of cats",
does that make you predjudiced against them or does it simply 
indicate your familiarity with a cat's proclevities?

George Graves


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Stacia wrote:
> 
> George Graves  writes:
> 
> >evil Beavis wrote:
> >>
> >> R.C. Richards wrote:
> >> >
> >> > george has hit the nail on the head!  anybody ever notice how the libs
> >> > are real quick to make sure you know they ain't nigras.  whenever we
> >> > get a new lib on the group, that's the first thing the lib wants to
> >> > make sure we're clear on.  second, only like one or two libs have
> >> > admitted to race mixing--ie, having nigras over to their house--robby
> >> > cascardden and raggedy.  the rest of the libs have about as much
> >> > experience with nigras as a man on the moon.
> 
>   I would like to point out that, while you are known for having a bit of
> a memory problem, I have said numerous times that some of my ancestors
> were slaves brought here from Africa.  So, please, add me to the list of
> Rob and Andy.
>   It's interesting that, if you take all the "libs" who have mentioned
> their heritage, a large chunk of them aren't as full of Aryan Goodness
> (tm) as you are wont to claim.  I'd even imagine that, if you went past
> your grandparents on your family tree, you'd be surprised.  Maybe even
> shocked.
> 
> evil Beavis:
> >> I for one merely stated I am white because as soon as I made it clear that I
> >> think your delusions about "supremacy" are idiotic, you automatically assumed
> >> I had to be black.
> 
> Georgie:
> >But Stefan, if race means nothing why would you care if Les
> >or anyone else "assumed you were black"?
> 
>   Anyone who posts on here has to automatically assume race does mean
> something, if only to the members of the White Power set.  If race means
> *something* to you, then us "libs" have to operate within that thought.
> It doesn't mean we personally think like you do, we simply acknowledge
> that people like you put a lot of thought into skin color.
>   Btw, Georgie, if you can't read what eB writes for yourself, I hardly
> think we have to explain it to you over and over again.  Maybe I'm just a
> glutton for punishment.
> 
> Stacia

You libs do this all of the time. NOT SKIN COLOR. Its not that simple (as
you would like to believe). There are blacks who have lighter skins than
some whites, so skin pigment isn't it. There is more to race than skin 
color, if there weren't, there would be no need for a NG like this one.
There are racial characteristics that have to do with physical appearance,
and then there are racial characteristics that pertain to how one's brain
is wired. Different racial groups think differently on some level. They
percieve things in fundamentally different ways. Its a lot like the 
differences between men and women in the same race, it is acknowledged
by both sexes, since time immemorial, that the sexes are "wired" 
differently. It has been the subject for comedian's jokes and more than
a little domestic strife as long as men and women have been together.
We put up with it because of the sexual requirement that causes us to
need one another.
With race, these differences are even greater. Some of it is hard-wired
into the racial group, and this will never change, but much of this perceived
difference is cultural. I don't think that anyone has been able to successfully
quantify this or even to ascertain what portion of racial differences are
attributable to hard-wired thought patterns and how much to cultural 
differences.
The problem with interracial relations is that at any primal level, no one
NEEDS people of another race. Men and women, as I have said earlier, need
each other for the continuation of the species. We may shake our heads at
differences we see in the way each other thinks, but we accept it and put
up with it because we need each other. No such basic mutual need exists
between the races. It would help if we could minimize the cultural
differences by complete assimilation, but the currently fashionable idea
that you liberals support about multiculturalism, takes the pressure off
of non-whites to assimilate. In earlier times, in this country, an 
immigrant (or even a native black) was encouraged at every turn to shed
the culture of his forefathers, and embrace the culture found in his
new land. He soon realized that, unless he lived in a ghetto of people 
predominately of his own culture, he was forced to learn to read and 
speak English. To become an American citizen (something he was
pressured to do, especially where he worked), the immigrant had to
learn some English (most immigrants went to night school), and 
he had to understand the workings of his new government, and to
know American history. All of this is changed. Today, if you talk to a 
recently naturalized American citizen (assuming he can speak any 
English at all) and ask him what he thinks of the Constitution, you
will, almost invariably, receive a blank stare in return. They have no
idea of what their rights as citizens are, or from whence they emminate.
Blacks are told to proud of their culture, and hold on to it. The result
is a gulf between blacks and whites that is larger today than at any
time in our history. The idea of multiculturalism is dangerous to any
country where it is practised because it undermines the idea that all
of the inhabitants of a country are united to solve the problems and
meet the challenges faced by that country. It creates sub-cultures
which are neither understood nor wholly tolerated by either the 
general population, or other sub-cultures within that population. No
country which embraces multiculturalism can survive, because its
unravelling is inherent in the concept.

George Graves


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CONFUSED@pi-user.pi.net wrote:
> 
> Are you totally brainless or not there is no possitive discrimination or
> 
> negative discrimination it is all the same
> discrimination is always a negative social and cultural manifestation
> But why am I trying to explain this to you it is obvious that your fascist head
> 
> didn't come with brains so you will have problems understanding.
> 
> As for you and your Ideas: I do not think that scum like you will ever gain the
> 
> needed support to achieve what you want because WE are still here and WE are
> 
> going to terminate you and your fascist buddies one by one
> 
> Best wishes and a very painfull death to all fascists who read this
> 
> --MAKE MY DAY AND SHOOT A FASCIST--
> 
>     --EVERY NORMAL HUMAN--

In today's world, you liberals are the fascists. Look up the word, then
think about it.... if you can.

George Graves


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MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
> 
> In article <30F85BDC.239E@aimnet.com> George Graves  writes:
> 
> >>
> >> >Stop beating a dead horse Anderson, You were wrong, not me. Lenin was a
> >> >Jew. J.P. Morganthau was a Jew. and Elizabeth MEYER Graham is a Jewess.
> >>
> >> So you admit you had the publishers wrong?  Good.  Acceptance is the first
> >> step.  Now, if we can just get you to understand the concept of "proof" we
> >> may have some real progress here.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Keith Morrison
> >> t08o@unb.ca
> 
> >No jerk, I do not have the publishers wrong. Anderson does. Go back and
> >read the post where I shot him down!
> 
> I did.  You did, he didn't and you never even came close.
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison
> t08o@unb.ca

OK, then that must mean that you have the real names of these publishers.
Let's have them, Morrison.
It must mean that you know for sure that Lenin and Morgan weren't Jews,
Let us see your proof Morrison?
I eagerly await your reply.

George Graves


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Steve Deluca wrote:
> 
> anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> 
> > In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> > (Les Griswold) wrote:
> >
> > > > i thought you were in favor of free speech, kenny.
> > >
> > > He doesn't.  He believes in free speech, SORTA, as long as it only extends
> > > to people who use it "responsibly" (that is also left up to his definition)
> >
> > Actually the responsible use of free speech is enshrined in the
> > constitution. Free speech is not now and has never been without limits.
> > That you think it is is demonstrative of your ignorance.
> 
> And that's why our Constitution isn't worth shit. Because
> pressure groups can stifle speech simply by dragging
> individuals through court at the taxpayers expense.
> Freedom of speech does not exist at all in our Constitution
> if there are unreasonable and subjective limits placed on
> it.
> 
> Am I wrong?
> 
> steve

Yes, you are very wrong! The government of the United States cannot
criminally prosecute you for ANYTHING you say (except to threaten 
the life of the President, but that hasn't been tested in the Supreme
Court yet, and when it is, will most likely, be found unconstitutional).
If a pressure group takes you to court for slander or for libel, its a
civil matter between you and the plaintiff. The taxpayers do not get
involved as the loser must pay all court costs.

George Graves


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Michael Paterson wrote:
> 
> >evil Beavis wrote:
> 
> >>Furthermore, I don't think I would go trough the trouble
> >>> to marry someone just to prove I'm politically correct.
> 
> xyz@scsn.net (Racial Theorist) wrote:
> 
> >i think you're lying, and i'm sorry to hear that.
> 
> Boy, I can't think of anyone better qualified to judge after reading
> your records at Nizkor, but as a professional interrogator of several
> years experience, I don't honestly believe he is.
> 
> As a professional note, I have detected you, Griswold and Graves all
> lying in the posts present in this NG alone.
===============================================================
OK shithead, Name the posts, quote the lies, and then porve it!
===============================================================
> If this were Berlin, you'd be on your way over to see Sergeant-Major
> Thompson right now; the best hangman the British Army ever had.  Never
> had a sinmgle head come off in all his career!
===============================================================
Yeah, and I'd like to meet you face to face. Its not settled yet who would
come out on top either!

George Graves
> 
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail


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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> In article <4d4i07$9n6@grid.direct.ca>, mikepat@direct.ca (Michael Paterson) says:
> 
> >Is there any possibility that you people might start murdering each
> >other?  I'm always on the outlook for some sort of good news to look
> >forward to.
> >
> >And what about the native Indians?  The only American general that
> >even came close to Crazy Horse was George Patton.  The American
> >Indians invented every way of cooking potatos and corn and invented
> >barbecue sauce. They, like the Jews, came up with the idea of One God;
> >the only two peoples in world to do so, but I notice they never get
> >any credit for it.  And they sure kicked the shit out of the "white
> >race" until sheer weight of numbers did them in.
> 
>         It is strange to think that anyone would ant to give or take credit
> for the death and destruction that has resulted for the one god concept.

Yeah, but smart people come up with the idea of NO god. Just a universe
obeying the laws of physics.

George Graves


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Subject: Re: Far Smaller Brain Sizes in Blacks
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Frank Weltner wrote:
> 
> The Frontal Lobes of Blacks are 12% Smaller than those of Whites
> 
> Quoted from Stanley Burnham's 3rd edition of America's Bimodal Crisis:
> Black Intelligence in White Society, Foundation for Human Understanding,
> Athens, Georgia, 1993, p 9.:
> 
> "Earlier studies also discussed in Chapter 4 likewise suggest the
> possibility of more dramatic structural differences between black and
> white brains, primarily in the prefrontal region where cognitive thinking
> takes place. Here black brain sizes might be as much as 12 percent smaller
> than comparable portions of white brains. Since the cerebral cortex plays
> an inhibitory role with lower brain centers, it may be suggested that an
> imbalance favorable to these lower brain centers very likely produces
> significant variations in conscious behavior additional to the burden of
> cognitive deficiency. Greater restlessness may be anticipated, as well as
> heightened aggressiveness, quicker emotions better rhythm and
> coordination, a more active libido, etc. On one hand there would be less
> capacity for cognitive performance, and on the other hand more emotional
> "noise" to distract the mind from engaging in this performance. This
> relative imbalance perhaps helps to explain many of the behavioral
> differences emphasized by Rushton* as well as the "time-preference
> differences" Michael Levin** (1991) finds in the tendency among many
> blacks to favor immediate impulse at the expense of long-range goals."
> 
> *Rushton, J. P., and Bogaert, A. F. Race versus social class differences
> in sexual abehaviro: A follow-up test of the r/K dimension. Journal of
> Researchin Personality, 1988, 22, 249-272.
> 
> **Levin, M. Race differences: An overview. The Journal of Social,
> Political and Economic Studies, 1991, 16,195-216.
> 
Good post Frank. This certainly explains a lot of black ccharacteristics. 
You realize, of course, that the multiculturalists here are gonna come 
down upon you like a host of avenging angels, don't you? They claim to
want documented proof, but when you deliver it, they wander all over
the map coming up with this that and the other reason why it can't be
so. Just look at my documentation on UN troops patroling Atlanta 
during the comming Olympics being against US law. I cited the laws
being broken, didn't mean a thing to them. One of them wanted to know
why the UN would want to take over Atlanta! Another said "So What", 
like abrogating our sovereignty as a nation was no big deal. Just be 
prepared, that's all. Idiots don't want THE truth, they want THEIR
truth, nothing else matters to them.

George Graves


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Fresh816 wrote:
> 
> Lenin was an ethnic Russian, stupido, you can tell just by looking at him.
> 
> TROTSKY was a Jew--one of our finest, too.

It figures that you Jews would look up to a Bolshevik, since Marxism is 
a Jewish invention. Do you also consider Beria one of your finest?

George Graves


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Fresh816 wrote:
> 
> Georgie-girl,
> 
> If you've got all the proof you want, then post it, coward, or shut up.
> 
> I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN
> 
> See, I can be childish, too, if I want to be.
> 
> POST YOUR PROOF, MOTHERFUCKER

Why don't you just read "The Unseen Hand" By A Ralph Epperson. It contains
all the proof that one can find about this sub-rosa conspiracy. 
By the way, what did you win? Does that mean if you are wrong 
and Les and I are right, your "winning" will make the truth go away? If
This is true, then I congradulate you, but I don't think so.

George Graves


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Frank Weltner wrote:
> 
> In article <820925255snz@augur.demon.co.uk>, Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk wrote:
> 
> :In article 
> :           potato@mo.net "Frank Weltner" writes:
> :
> :> Africa has been destroyed by Africans. The Sahara is moving south, and the
> :> ignorant natives are still cutting down the few trees and blades of grass
> :> that would help keep it from enlarging. Europeans cannot be blamed for
> :> Africans being so ignorant. They were that way before we arrived.
> :
> :Europeans have cut down their forests as well.
> :
> :The proportion of UK land area which is forest has halved this century.
> :
> :Other European countries have done the same thing to their forests.
> :
> :Caesar
> 
> These trees were not holding the desert back. In fact, Germany has a
> record of having planted more trees than were originally in their country.
> Most valleys, except wine valleys and farms are totally forested. There
> are trees everywhere. The United Kingdom's land was utilized to raise
> sheep for manufacture of clothes. There are no deserts there, either. As
> for so much deforestation in the UK, I am wondering where you got those
> figures? I have flown overhead and driven from south to north on the
> Island and there is not indication that trees were a big part of the
> ecology, mostly grasses and mosses and peat.
> 
> The point of my post about the Sahara Desertification of Africa is that
> the Africans are so dumb they take the few trees that are left to the
> North to halt HUGE sand domes staring them in the face. They don't care.
> They just take what few little trees are there and burn them for fuel. So,
> the desert advances, pushing them farther South, and a tree will never
> grow there again. Rather stupid, don't you think? Trees have the roots and
> trunks to hold back those dunes. I mean, isn't there a difference when you
> know that little tree is all that stands between you and the desert, but
> you just don't give enough of a damn not to kill it?
> 
> I believe this is another bull headed African view and the thinness of the
> rationale is typical of a people with sloping foreheads with little room
> for the development of the frontal lobes and provides 12% less forward
> gray matter in the cerebrum than the rest of us have. The tribalism of
> thinking that letting the desert move farther south and to allow it take
> over the whole continent is similar to the thinking of liberals who have
> continued to give away our cities to vicious black savages who are third
> world people, saying, "Soon, they will stop." But they don't. After all,
> when only 2.3% of your people have IQ's of 115 (a C- average in college)
> or above, you have a problem, a mental problem. You Africans are more
> tribal and less individualistic than Euro-people. You shirk
> responsibility, blame the Europeans, and pull out the trees in your
> homeland, trees that stop the Sahara from killing your country. Pretty
> ignorant. Blame the Europeans? Most of these people never SAW a European.
> Makes no sense to me,  except to farther prove that Africans in America
> can't think as well as whites do. That's why you will never succeed here
> in great numbers and need to retire into small country garden farms and
> raise food and try to enjoy yourselves in self-reliance. We are tired of
> you. Period.
> 
> I hope that this is not interpreted as politically incorrect material. It
> is simply a scientific observation.
> 
> I mean, really.


Frank, just a question. You state that a 115 IQ is equal to just below 
average (C- average in college is how you actually put it). I was under
the impression that, by definition, the average IQ of the general population
is always 100. Is this incorrect? Its what the MENSA literature says, and
they administer the standard Stanford-Binet IQ test to prospective 
members. Please clarify.

George Graves


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Fresh816 wrote:
> 
> Georgie-girl,
> 
> If you've got all the proof you want, then post it, coward, or shut up.
> 
> I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN
> 
> See, I can be childish, too, if I want to be.
> 
> POST YOUR PROOF, MOTHERFUCKER

Why don't you just read "The Unseen Hand" By A Ralph Epperson. It contains
all the proof that one can find about this sub-rosa conspiracy. 
By the way, what did you win? Does that mean if you are wrong 
and Les and I are right, your "winning" will make the truth go away? If
This is true, then I congradulate you, but I don't think so.

George Graves


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Frank Weltner wrote:
> 
> In article <820925255snz@augur.demon.co.uk>, Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk wrote:
> 
> :In article 
> :           potato@mo.net "Frank Weltner" writes:
> :
> :> Africa has been destroyed by Africans. The Sahara is moving south, and the
> :> ignorant natives are still cutting down the few trees and blades of grass
> :> that would help keep it from enlarging. Europeans cannot be blamed for
> :> Africans being so ignorant. They were that way before we arrived.
> :
> :Europeans have cut down their forests as well.
> :
> :The proportion of UK land area which is forest has halved this century.
> :
> :Other European countries have done the same thing to their forests.
> :
> :Caesar
> 
> These trees were not holding the desert back. In fact, Germany has a
> record of having planted more trees than were originally in their country.
> Most valleys, except wine valleys and farms are totally forested. There
> are trees everywhere. The United Kingdom's land was utilized to raise
> sheep for manufacture of clothes. There are no deserts there, either. As
> for so much deforestation in the UK, I am wondering where you got those
> figures? I have flown overhead and driven from south to north on the
> Island and there is not indication that trees were a big part of the
> ecology, mostly grasses and mosses and peat.
> 
> The point of my post about the Sahara Desertification of Africa is that
> the Africans are so dumb they take the few trees that are left to the
> North to halt HUGE sand domes staring them in the face. They don't care.
> They just take what few little trees are there and burn them for fuel. So,
> the desert advances, pushing them farther South, and a tree will never
> grow there again. Rather stupid, don't you think? Trees have the roots and
> trunks to hold back those dunes. I mean, isn't there a difference when you
> know that little tree is all that stands between you and the desert, but
> you just don't give enough of a damn not to kill it?
> 
> I believe this is another bull headed African view and the thinness of the
> rationale is typical of a people with sloping foreheads with little room
> for the development of the frontal lobes and provides 12% less forward
> gray matter in the cerebrum than the rest of us have. The tribalism of
> thinking that letting the desert move farther south and to allow it take
> over the whole continent is similar to the thinking of liberals who have
> continued to give away our cities to vicious black savages who are third
> world people, saying, "Soon, they will stop." But they don't. After all,
> when only 2.3% of your people have IQ's of 115 (a C- average in college)
> or above, you have a problem, a mental problem. You Africans are more
> tribal and less individualistic than Euro-people. You shirk
> responsibility, blame the Europeans, and pull out the trees in your
> homeland, trees that stop the Sahara from killing your country. Pretty
> ignorant. Blame the Europeans? Most of these people never SAW a European.
> Makes no sense to me,  except to farther prove that Africans in America
> can't think as well as whites do. That's why you will never succeed here
> in great numbers and need to retire into small country garden farms and
> raise food and try to enjoy yourselves in self-reliance. We are tired of
> you. Period.
> 
> I hope that this is not interpreted as politically incorrect material. It
> is simply a scientific observation.
> 
> I mean, really.


Frank, just a question. You state that a 115 IQ is equal to just below 
average (C- average in college is how you actually put it). I was under
the impression that, by definition, the average IQ of the general population
is always 100. Is this incorrect? Its what the MENSA literature says, and
they administer the standard Stanford-Binet IQ test to prospective 
members. Please clarify.

George Graves


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Susan Groppi wrote:
> 
> william c anderson (libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
> : George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : : Nothing concrete. But I talk to a lot of people from all walks of life. Most
> : : agree with me about multiculturalism.
> 
> : We're not talking about multiculturalism here, George; I have no doubt
> : that a majority of people in the country say they disapprove of that.
> 
> I'm confused.  How are we defining "multiculturalism"?  I personally
> define it as "acceptance of the modes of thought and cultural biases of
> other cultural groups", and by that definition it's not a bad thing.  By
> that definition, in fact, I would question your statement that the
> majority of people in the country disapprove.  So what's your defintion
> of multiculturalism?
> 
>                 -- Susan
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> Susan Marie Groppi -- groppi@fas.harvard.edu
>  "It soon became apparent, despite the lack
> --- of library paste, that something had ---
> ---- happened to the vicar."  --E. Gorey ---
> --------------------------------------------

Multiculturalism is the belief in a plural society. One in which all cultures 
are encouraged to practice that culture rather than become assimilated; to
celebrate the differences between cultures rather than bond together as 
one nation using the strength of our sameness as the bonding agent. It is
characterized by multilingual signs in places other than international 
airports, by multilingual voting materials and school materials. It is 
characterized by hyphenated group names, ending in "-American", instead
of just American. It is caused by unbriddled immigration of people who 
neither understand nor care to learn the American culture coupled with  
a destructive notion that people should no longer be made to assimilate 
into the culture of the majority. It is wrong, it is dangerous, and it will 
ultimately result in the desruction of this culture and of this country. 

George Graves


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <30FA4EA8.2E00@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Fresh816 wrote:
> > >
> > > Lenin was an ethnic Russian, stupido, you can tell just by looking at him.
> > >
> > > TROTSKY was a Jew--one of our finest, too.
> >
> > It figures that you Jews would look up to a Bolshevik, since Marxism is
> > a Jewish invention. Do you also consider Beria one of your finest?
> 
> Why do you say Marxism is a "Jewish invention," Graves? Because _you_
> insist that Marx was Jewish because the _Protocols_, the czarist secret
> police forgery that it was, _says_ that Marxism was a Jewish plot? (Or
> becuse Hilter, who was indoctrinated by Rosenberg who believed in the
> _Protocols_, says it was?)
> 
> FYI, Graves, Marx's father, Heinrich, was a Jewish lawyer who had
> converted his family to Christianity. Karl Marx was baptized in the
> Evangelical church. By the standard of the times this made him a
> Christian. It wasn't until the first supplementary decree of the Reich
> Citizenship Law in 1935 that it was "legally" determinable that anyone
> with at least _three_ full Jewish grandparants was a Jew. Or those with
> _two_ full Jewish grandparants _and_ who belonged to the Jewish religious
> community was a Jew.
> 
> Also, any person who had _two_ Jewish grandparents but who was _not_
> affiliated with the Jewish religion, and not married to a Jew, was
> considered "part-Jew," or a Mischling (first degree). Those with only
> _one_ Jewish grandparent was considered a Mischling (second degree).
> 
> Of course, such classifications were retroactive _only_ to September 15,
> 1935. (That's 52 years _after_ Marx's death, BTW.)
> 
> Now, exactly, again, how was Marx a Jew? And by what "standards" do you
> assert that he was? Yours?
> 
> Mark

The seed of Abraham.
BTW, The "Protocols", do not, as I remember, mention Marx by name even 
once. Your post is interesting to those who did not know that Marx
was a geshmott Jew, but irrelevent to the point I was making (to a Fresh816
by the way, not to you).

George Graves


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MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
> 
> In article <30F92684.3550@aimnet.com> George Graves  writes:
> 
> >> >No jerk, I do not have the publishers wrong. Anderson does. Go back and
> >> >read the post where I shot him down!
> >>
> >> I did.  You did, he didn't and you never even came close.
> >>
> 
> >OK, then that must mean that you have the real names of these publishers.
> >Let's have them, Morrison.
> >It must mean that you know for sure that Lenin and Morgan weren't Jews,
> >Let us see your proof Morrison?
> >I eagerly await your reply.
> 
> No, sorry, that is not how it works.  You made the claim, *you* prove it.  A
> list of names doesn't tell me anything, nor does the simple assertion,
> without proof, that someone belings to some religious group or another.
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison
> t08o@unb.ca

Sorry Morrison, you have that backwards! You allege that what I posted was
incorrect. If I reposted that same material, it would get the debate 
nowhere. Since it is your allegation that MY facts are wrong, it is then
up to you, the accuser, to show me where they are wrong by posting your
contrary evidence.

George Graves


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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> william c anderson (libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
> : George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : : MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
> 
> : : > Well, the adults are laughing at you.
> 
> : : How would you know? The adults won't let you in the same room with them.
> 
> : George, if you don't want the adults to laugh at you, shouldn't you
> : explain why your definitive expose of the Jooish Konspiracy mis-named
> : the publishers of the Atlanta Constitution, the Los Angeles Times and
> : the Washington Post and falsely asserted that V.I. Lenin and J.P. Morgan
> : were Jewish?  Here in the adult world, we try to be accountable for our
> : mistakes...
> 
> True. But liars will move mountains to avoid being made accountable
> for their falsehoods.

I'll tell you what I told Morrison. If the personel at these papers have 
changed since my source was compiled, then it is your duty as the 
accuser to post the contrary evidence. Its the easiest thing in the world
to tell someone they are wrong without producing the evidence of their
error.

George Graves


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Michael Paterson wrote:
> 
> >> >>Fresh816 wrote:
> >> >> There's no conspiracy.  You're just a Jew-baiting idiot.
> 
> >> >George Graves  wrote:
> >> >OK Dickhead, I'll play you're silly game. Prove it to us!
> 
> >> Michael Paterson wrote:
> >> George, just shuffle down to the library for God's sake!  You said you
> >> don't want to go over old stuff again and neither does anyone else.
> 
> >George Graves  wrote:
> >Of course not, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T!!!
> 
> George, we trampled these grapes before.  If there IS a conspiracy,
> it's the slowest conspiracy in the history of mankind. According to
> your historical review, the Jews started planning it back in the 1880s
> or thereabouts.  World War I came and went, Germany changed
> governments several times, settling finally for the Nazis; the Commies
> set up shop in Russia, World War II came and went, the Nazis, the
> Commies, the British Empire all  went down the tubes, etc, etc, etc.
> 
> George, what are these people WAITING for? A sign from Heaven?
> 
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail

The Eternal Jew has all the time in the world. And its 2000 years, not
"since 1880" (1892, actually).

George Graves

George Graves


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Frank Weltner wrote:
> 
> :George Graves  writes:
> :< snip >
> :>> >
> :>> > No, you'd rather "watch from the sidelines" and survive a Jewish takeover!
> :>> > Remember, that "One World" and "World Government" that you keep hearing
> :>> > about is a euphemism for "World Zionism".
> :>> >
> :>> > George Graves
> :>>
> :>> Graves, the only reason anybody ever hears the phrases "One World" and
> :>> "World Government" is because fruitcakes like you scream it at the top of
> :>> their lungs.
> 
> :George, you must be monumentally dim. Until very recently the U.N. held
> :that Zionism was equivalent to racism. Who was behind this, World Jewry?
> :I'd like to see you rationalize that one. The resolution equating Zionism
> :with racism was the product ofthe non-aligned states, arab states and the
> :soviets. I guess in your demented world view, somehow the Jews were behind
> :the resolution after all to cleverly fool everybody, and the arabs, non-
> :alignds, and soviets were all Jewish dupes.
> :
> :Ethan Stein
> :
> Excellent proof of the Jews NOT having influence in the UN. Ten points
> awarded for effectiveness. Good work. God bless the Jews.
> 
 Artifice and deception are the twin pillars supporting the World Zionist
Conspiracy. Yes, they will say anything, do anything to cover their tracks.

George Graves


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Olga from the volga wrote:
> 
> George Graves  wrote:
> 
> >Fresh816 wrote:
> >>
> >> Lenin was an ethnic Russian, stupido, you can tell just by looking at him.
> >>
> >> TROTSKY was a Jew--one of our finest, too.
> 
> >It figures that you Jews would look up to a Bolshevik, since Marxism is
> >a Jewish invention. Do you also consider Beria one of your finest?
> 
> >George Graves
> 
> It figures that you Christians would get on you knees to a Jew every
> Sunday.

Sorry, I'm an athiest.

George Graves


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Mark Staloff wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : Yes, you are very wrong! The government of the United States cannot
> : criminally prosecute you for ANYTHING you say (except to threaten
> : the life of the President, but that hasn't been tested in the Supreme
> : Court yet, and when it is, will most likely, be found unconstitutional).
> 
> Can we use this one against Jesse Helms?
> 
> Mark
Its (still) a free country, you can certainly try.

George Graves


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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Saving space by replying to TWO messages at once!
> 
> Michael Paterson (mikepat@direct.ca) writes:
> > Laura Finsten  wrote:
> >
> >>bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> >
> >>>MY point is, neither of them (ie, Ito and Darden, or was it Cochrane) would
> >>>have been allowed to come within 500 miles of a racially healthy, aware U.S.
> >>>But thanks to the jews, we not only have non-whites in our society, we
> >>>also have the perverse situation where non-whites are sometimes in
> >>>positions of authority over whites, which is intolerable.
> >
> >>Please explain in detail how you arrive at the conclusion that "thanks to
> >>jews [sic], we not only have non-whites in our society...".  Hint:
> >>tell me what your sources are on data about immigration, policy makers
> >>and implementers of policy about immigration.  Please illuminate me and
> >>other readers about how you arrive at the conclusion that "thanks to the
> >>jews [sic]...non-whites are sometimes in positions of authority over
> >>whites"...
> 
> It'obvious:  OBSERVATION.  I know that many of the jews and semitophiles
> will get all cutesy on me and argue that my own empirical evidence is an
> insufficient basis for the conclusion that jews and non-whites go
> hand-in-hand, but I'M satisfied with my observations and my own study, and
> frankly, I couldn't care less if it meets with your approval.
> 
> >>I won't ask you why you think this is intolerable.  That, I will grant you,
> >>is self-evident.
> >
> > More than a whiff of racism about that last comment, I fear, Ms.
> > Finsten...
> 
> Well, DUH!
> 
> You seem to be shockingly ignorant of a basic fact:  jews are the most
> racist people around, only they get really honked when anyone is racist
> against THEM.  THAT'S bad.  But they couldn't give a damn about racism
> against non-whites, who are ONLY useful to them as a battering-ram.
> 
> Les
> 
Les, these people keep asking for proof of a conspiracy! They want names
dates, events. They are so dumb that they don't even realize that if this
information could be had by simple research, IT WOULDN"T BE A 
CONSPIRACY (not the successful one that it is, anyway)!
By the way, you probably have reached the same conclusions that I have
reached by the same methods. It just goes to prove that if one opens ones'
eyes to just the POSSIBILITY, the empiracle evidence flows in like the
North Atlantic through the hole in the Titanic.

George Graves


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I' d like to take this opportunity to make a correction here and to 
apologize to anyone at whom I may have flared for bringing it to my
attention. When I was talking about the 1917 Communist Revolution,
I stated that J.P. Morgan, A Jew contributed to it. I got J.P. Morgan
and Henry Morganthau mixed up. (I think I even told someone that
Morgan's real family name was Morganthau. Such is what a mindset
will do to you) It was Henry MorganThau that I meant when I said 
Morgan. J.P. Morgan was not a Jew. It was Morganthau, Guggenhiem. et.
al. who contributed money to Trotsky to help finance the revolution. 
Sorry for the slip-up. I wrote all of that stuff from memory, is my 
only excuse.

As to Lenin. That he was a Jew is, I guess you would say, sort of an
assumption. I will just quote my source and you can make of it what
you will:
>From  "A Bolshevik Life - a Biography of V.I. Lenin" by C.P. E. McMannus, 
Alfred Knopf, London, 1932. Page 12.

"..........In the middle 1870's, Lenins father, a schoolteacher, lost his 
position due to the pogroms being carried out in the Simbirsk region at 
that time. He changed his name from Olavin to Ulanov in 1876, and 
returned to work at a new rectory school outside of the city in 1877."

To me this looks as if Lenin's father was fired for being a Jew, and only
found employment after changing his name to a non-Jewish one. I can
think of no other reason why he would have lost his job in a pogrom, 
especially since a pogrom was a government perescution of Jews. I 
have never heard the term applied to any other group of people.

As for the rest, I stand by it. Time passes names on mastheads change,
but the hidden hand goes on.
My big mistake here was to let you Jews and Jew supporters taunt me
into providing evidence for the existance of a Jewish Conspiracy. I
figured if I just threw out a few names it would be enough to get people
to think about it. I was wrong.
The fact is you can't find anything but empirical evidence for a successful
conspiracy. If it were simply a matter of strolling down to the library and
picking out names, dates, actions, then it wouldn't be much of a conspiracy
would it? Certainly none of us on this NG who support the idea of a World
Zionist Conspiracy could prove it in a court of law. 
I'm sitting here at my computer looking at an entire bookshelf full of books
about the conspiracy, or aspects of it, collected over a 25 year period.
Many of them make a pretty good case for it, but again, nothing that would
stand-up in a court of law. Its mostly a collection of anti-American, and 
anti-goyishe incidents which have been traced back to known Jews. They
only go so far though. The trail always runs dry very close to the source
of the incident. 
To me (and Les, and some others) this empircal evidence is enough simply
because there is so much of it. I have no doubts of its existance. the fact
that I can't prove it doesn't bother me much, because i know that it can
only be proven from within the conspiracy itself, not from without.
I have taken the time to explain this because I want everyone here to
understand that I will not continue to debate this thing ad nauseum. 
I leave you with these following thoughts:

1) In good faith I have posted the "Protocols" for all to read. (I will post
the address once again at the end of this piece). I want everybody who
has not read them to do so. Iwant you to make up your own mind about
them. Pay no attention to what I might say or what any of their detractors
might say. Just read them.

2) Many of the "Protocols" detractors allege that the documents have been
discredited, but if you look through all of their posts, you will not find
one ounce of proof that they are fake.  These people say that they are fake
because they are fake, and that's that. 

This is my final word on "evidence" and "proof". If you want any evidence
or proof, go through the same steps that I have gone through. Educate
yourself in this matter. I will continue to blame World Zionists on this
NG (where appropriate), and when I say "liberal", Understand that I mean
World Zionists, and World Zionist Supporters. But don't ask me for evidence,
if I have what I think is irrefutable evidence about something under
discussion I will post it at my on discretion. I will not be baited into
another argument about this subject.

 ftp://ftp.aimnet.com
 user: anonymous
 password: gmgraves@aimnet.com
 path: /pub/users/gmgraves/public

File is available as a PageMaker document in the Adobe Acrobat .PDF format
or as a MS Word Text file.

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Tue Jan 16 10:16:48 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.internet.media-coverage,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Simon Wiesenthal Center Attempts to Censor Internet
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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
> 
> In article <30F91916.4EB7@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves  wrote:
> 
> >agenda, don't you? Asking internet providers to deny access to groups
> >with which you do not agree is ASKING FOR CENSORSHIP any way you
> >cut it. If a provider complies, the provider is censoring their customers.
> 
> As a rhetorical point, can you explain how such
> self-regulation would differ from the self-regulation of the
> motion picture industry? While it undeniably keeps explicit
> work out of the mainstream, it certainly isn't hard to find -
> porn theatres, rental shops, etc. make it easy for anyone
> wanting the sexually-explicit flicks to get them.
> 
> It seems to me that if a vendor - ISP's, in this case - wishes
> to restrict the material on his system, perhaps to attract a
> specific market, why this action would constitute
> "censorship."
> 
> An ISP looking for family-oriented accounts, for instance,
> might not only eliminate the "hate" groups, but the sex groups
> as well. If he fails to attract a market after doing this,
> then his business plan fails, and he's soon gone.
> 
> In the case of the InterNet, it has always been my position
> that any attempt at regulation (read "censorship") would fail.
> However, if an ISP wants to target a market, why shouldn't he
> be granted the freedom to do so?
> 
> The Wiesenthal Center apparently wants to pursuade ISP's to
> refuse to accept racist or hate-oriented WWW sites, while
> leaving UseNet alone. That seems a pretty myopic viewpoint
> from where I sit, but they have every right to express their
> desire to the ISP's.
> 
> I think that the SWC's move in this direction was predictable,
> but ill-considered, and it is bound to fail.
> 
> --
>      The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
>                    Anonymous ftp: ftp.almanac.bc.ca
> Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!)
>    Kenneth McVay OBC.  Home Page: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/~kmcvay/

If you think about it, I believe its pretty easy to see. For years the motion
picture industry policed itself because the people of this country made
it clear to them that they wanted the films to remain family fare. So it
was self-control or face extinction. Times change. People's ideas of what's
moral change I have been in homes where sub-teen kids use language in 
front of their parents that would have gotten me whipped till I couldn't 
sit down, and maybe worse. Today's films reflect that lax attitude, and 
censorship no longer exists, either from within or without the film 
industry. 
The internet on the other hand isn't a single industry and everybody with
the means has access to it. The Wiesenthall Center is NOT the entire 
internet community, but rather a special interest group (by strict
definition of the term). They do not represent nor do they claim to
represent anything but their own agenda. This agenda is aimed at 
gagging a portion of the internet which represents an opposing agenda.
To that end they are requesting that internet providers assist them in
gagging the opposition by censoring that opposition's freedom of speech. 
The Film industry had no illusions that what they were doing was 
censorship. They even called Will Hayes "The Censor". This they did 
with the implicit consent of the people, but if the internet providers
choose to censor what opinions they will allow their customers to
post, then they are engaging in a unilateral action with no one's support
but Wiesenthall's group. OK?

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Tue Jan 16 16:24:53 PST 1996
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Lizard wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 13 Jan 1996 03:01:47, joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg)
> wrote:
> 
> >I think we really have some very badly spoiled little nazis running around
> >with their flies open.  It isn't censorship if one or two or twenty ISPs are
> >too fastidious to sell access to them, as long as there's an ISP out there who
> >isn't.  Not only do these pitiful little assholes expect the rest of us to
> >protect their rights for them, they expect us to make it easy for them to
> >spew their hate all over the place.
> >
> If the Wiesenthal Center succeeds in intimidating providers into
> banning some forms of speech, the next group to come along will have
> it even easier. Any provider who knuckles under to one group of
> whiners will kunckle under to the next, and the next, and the next...
> 
> I'd rather have the fascists out where I can see them, not scurrying
> around in the dark.
==================================================================
You're a little behind the times. Its the denizens of the LEFT who constitute
the fascists these days.

George Graves
===================================================================
> 
> >I marvel at the resilience of the Jewish people.
> >Their best characteristic is their desire to remember.
> >No other people has such an obsession with memory.
> 
> Then please tell me why, after over thirty years, my Grandmother can't
> remember that I *loathe* gefilte fish?
> *------------------------------------------------------------*
> Evolution doesn't take prisoners:Lizard
> Christmas -- Bah! Humbug!:C. Dickens
> URL:http://www.dnai.com/~lizard


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David [Dragon] Fiedler wrote:
> 
> In article <30F91E58.706F@aimnet.com>,
>    George Graves  wrote:
> 
> >David [Dragon] Fiedler wrote:
> 
> >> In article <30F64537.2E9D@aimnet.com>,
> >>    George Graves  wrote:
> >>
> >> >This is SO typical of Jews.
> >>
> >> Anyone who says something like this is prima facie prejudiced.
> 
> >If your cat shreds your sofa and you say "This is so typical of cats",
> >does that make you predjudiced against them or does it simply
> >indicate your familiarity with a cat's proclevities?
> 
> >George Graves
> 
> Prejudiced = pre-judgment. I've had quite a few cats and none has shredded my
> sofa. For someone to "expect" a cat to shred a sofa because they had some
> notion that it's typical of them to do so shows that they have already been
> convinced that cats shred sofas. After that, such a person tends to filter out
> accounts of cats that don't shred sofas, and listen, with agreement, to other
> people's tales of sofa-shredding cats.
> 
> That's the same way people who don't like Jews, blacks, women, or (pick your
> minority/ethnic/other group) operate also.
> 
> And it's pretty idiotic to think that someone's religion would have anything
> to do with their views on Internet censorship...especially Jews, who are
> taught to question everything, even their own leaders.
> 
> David (Dragon) Fiedler 

I'm not talking about religion, I don't care about someone's religious beliefs,
I'm talking about the seed of Abraham.
Postjudiced = post-judgement. I am postjudiced against multiculturalists
and World Zionists.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <30F7CADA.AD3@aimnet.com>, George Graves  wrote:
> 
> > Stop beating a dead horse Anderson, You were wrong, not me. Lenin was a
> > Jew. J.P. Morganthau was a Jew. and Elizabeth MEYER Graham is a Jewess.
> 
> Graves, you _really_ must get your names straight!
> 
> Is it J.P. Morgan or Henry Morganthau Jr? J.P. Morgan was a _very_ wealthy
> 19th century industrialist. Henry Morganthau Jr. was FDR's Treasury
> Secretary.
> 
> J.P. Morganthau?  :::snicker::: (And you seemed _sooo_ positive too!)
> 
> And you _really_ expect people to take you seriously?  Not a chance.
> 
> Mark

Yeah, I got 'em mixed up. I meant Henry Morganthau (Sr.) when I said 
J.P. Morgan. Old age working on the memory, you know.

George Graves


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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> >> This fills me with curiousity.  Do the revisionazis, humiliated here
> >> daily and shown to be utter asses on a regular basis, really delude
> >> themselves that they're WINNING this debate?  Could anybody really
> >> be that clueless?  Is there a precedent for this in the psychological
> >> literature?
> 
> >I don't know what universe you think that you are living in Bill, but in
> >this one, we are most certainly winning "this debate". I get private
> >E-mail from "lurkers" all the time which tell me that this is so. They
> >tell me how, after initially being put-off by the 'racist' side, that they
> >have been gradually won over to our way of thinking by the fact that we
> >make YOU look like utter asses (or is that asses' udders?) on a daily
> >basis.
> 
> Then obviously those "lurkers" are as big idiots as you are.  By the way,
> it's easy to *say* that all those folks are writing you with support.
> 
> --
> Gord McFee

Yes, Mr. Race-Traitor, just as easy as it is to say that they are not.

George Graves


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Stewart King wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : Atleast you understood the intended sarcasm. Of course being married is
> : no guarantee of heterosexuality, but then the guy who posted the original
> : post gave no proof that Rommel was queer. I am not a Nazi or a Nazi
> : admirer, but Rommel was a great and noble general (in an ignoble cause).
> : To cast aspersions on his manhood simply because you don't like his
> : politics or the country he loyally served, is just wrongheaded.
> 
> Manhood sucks.

Indeed? to whom?

George Graves


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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : ===================================================================
> : You are the one who's wrong Jerk. Donald Graham is K.M. Graham's
> : HUSBAND. She is both owner and executive publisher. Hubby works for
> 
> Er, you mean he's publishing the paper from beyond the grave? Donald
> Graham is Kay Graham's _son_
> 
> : ====================================================================
> : Haven't screwed up yet. But its one away for you!
> : ====================================================================
> See above.
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu

OK. Hubby's name was also Donald. Didn't know the old boy kicked
off. Anyway, the relatinship's the same K.M owns the thing, is 
Executive Publisher, and Sonny Boy works for her. Big deal Same
family. Most of this info about who does what is from books I own
which are more than 10 years old. I don't have time to keep it 
updated. But that shouldn't matter (except to people who think this 
is a game and scoring points is all important). I made the point that
the media is under Jewish control. The names may change with the 
passing parade; people get old, retire, die, etc. but the hidden hand
goes on. You want the contemporary stats? I suggest you go get them.
But whether you do or whether you don't, If what I allege is true, not
finding a pat answer won't win you anything. If I'm wrong, my 25 years
of studying this went for naught. You don't have anything to lose here, 
so why should you care? I'm tired debating this issue with goyim who
are lining up to be the next holocaust victims.

George Graves


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Subject: To Fragano Ledgister/CFR-House/ Income tax
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I had an internet software problem which forced me to save this article
and get out before it was sent. As a result, I don't remember the original
thread name. Sorry.

Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : I'm not going to waste my time teaching American history to you Staloff,
> : but if you check it out, you will find that 1) House was assistant to Wilson.
> : 2) He drafted the legislation at Wilson's behest. 3) House was a dedicated
> 
> Source? (For House drafting the 16th Amendment?
====================================================================
I didn't say that House drafted the 16th Amendment. I said he drafted 
Wilson's legislation which GAVE us the 16th Amendment. Actually, 
the legislation to  which i was refering is that which forms the public
law setting up the IRS and the mechanism for taxing income. The 16th
Amendment was the Constitutional amendment allowing this.
====================================================================
> 
> : Marxist. 4) Marx said in his Manifesto that the best way to destroy a
> 
> Evidence that House was a Marxist?
===================================================================
He states so in  "Philip Dru: Administrator" Written by him in 1912, revised
in 1919. See below. 
===================================================================
> 
> capitalist economy is to introduce a graduated income tax. 5) House wrote
> : the legislation as a GRADUATED income tax, and Congress passed it that
> 
> May we have the exact quotation from Marx? (Hint: the 'progressive
> or graduated income tax' mentioned in the _Manifesto_ is part of a
> revolutionary programme that also includes 'Abolition of children's
> factory labour in its present form.' Are we supposed to have child
> labour because Marx opposed it?).
====================================================================
You're obfuscating the issue. If Marx says that the best way to bring down
a capitalist society is with a graduated income tax, and if the author of
the American tax system is a self-proclaimed Marxist, and follows the 
Marxian model for the income tax he is proposing, then one can gather that
his motives are Marxian as well. It doesn't require spelling-out to 
understand that (at least for most of us).
====================================================================
> 
> : way thus giving us the beloved 16th Amendment. 6) Marx was wrong. The
> 
> The Sixteenth Amendment reads, in its entirety:
> 
>         The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on
>         incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment
>         among the several States, and without regard to any census
>         or enumeration.
> 
> Now, where, in these 30 words, do you find the specifics of the
> income tax? Hint: none of the advocates of a flat income tax is
> talking about a constitutional amendment.
====================================================================
=
Try looking in the US code books for that, not the Constitution. If every law
of the land were reflected in the Constitution, by the number of amendments
one finds there, on could gather that Congress doesn't do very much, and in
fact has done nothing since 1971 (the date of the last ratified amendment).
While there are many who might say that I am right here :), the bulk of US
law is not Constitutional in nature. I don't have a set of the US code here at
my fingertips (its twenty-some volumes), if you are interested in the actual
phrasing of House's legislation (as passed), I suggest that any library would
have this.
====================================================================
===
> 
> : graduated income tax did not destroy this capitalist economy, but House
> : didn't know that when he proposed it.
> 
> Marx included the graduated income tax as part of the programme of a
> revolutionary government, he nowhere says that it is the best way,
> or any kind of way, to destroy, abolish or overturn capitalism.
====================================================================
===
Go back and read it again. I will do the same. I think you will find that he
did indeed make that statement.
====================================================================
===
> 
> : Are you aware that House was the key founder of the CFR (Council on
> : Foreign Relations)? In his book, "Philip Dru: Administrator", House
> : explained that the main purpose of the CFR was to promote "Socialism
> : as dreamed of by Karl Marx". The CFR was the main promoter of the
> 
> May we have sources for these statements, the appropriate citations,
> and the appropriate quotes?
====================================================================
===
Aren't you being redundant? I gave you the title of House's book and quoted 
the 
relevent passage.
====================================================================
=== 
> 
> : United Nations. 43 of the US members of the founding delegation at the
> : UN founding conference were or would become CFR members. All of those
> : members of the delegation who were already CFR members, were, like
> : House, Jewish. Thus bringing this discussion full circle.
====================================================================
====
> 
> Again, may we have your evidence for this? Since you've lied about
> Marx and the Sixteenth Amendment, I think you need to bolster your
> statements, otherwise not even your fellow Nazis will believe you
> after a while.
====================================================================
=====
I haven't lied about anything. You misinterpreted what you read. If I'm
at any fault here, its in giving you the benefit of the doubt at being smart
enough to figure out what was being discussed.
Here's your reference:

"The Council On Foreign Relations: A Record Of Twenty-Five Years, 
1921-1946"
By John W. Davis (New York: Council On Foreign Relations, 1947.)  And" The 
Shadows of Power : The Council On Foreign Relations and the American 
Decline" 
By James Perloff, 1988. As quoted in "Global Tyranny.... Step By Step" By 
William F. 
Jasper. Western Islands, Publisher 1992. Library of Congress #92-081764.
Pages 46-47.

" In January 1943, Secretary of State, Cordell Hull formed a steering 
Committee
composed of himself, Leo Pasvlosky, Isaiah Bowman, Sumner Wells, Norman 
Davis,
And Morton Taylor. All of these men  - with the exception of Wells - were 
members
of the CFR. Later known as the Informal Agenda Group, they drafted the 
original
proposal for the United Nations. It was Bowman - a founder of the CFR, and 
member
of Colonel (E. Mandel) House's old "Inquiry" - who first put forth the concept 
of the 
U.N. as a WORLD-GOVERNING (my emphesis-GG) "peace' organization."

I don't mind discussing this, but perhaps it should be on another NG. My 
original motive for posting here was the Jew/UN connection (House,
CFR) which would be race related, but if we are going to discuss the UN
perhaps you can suggest another venue?

George Graves
====================================================================
======



> : George Graves
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Tue Jan 16 22:02:17 PST 1996
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Eric Berlin wrote:
> 
> cburian@uiuc.edu (Christopher J. Burian) had this to say:
> 
> >joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:
> 
> >]I think we really have some very badly spoiled little nazis running around
> >]with their flies open.  It isn't censorship if one or two or twenty ISPs are
> >]too fastidious to sell access to them, as long as there's an ISP out there who
> >]isn't.
> 
> >It isn't racial discrimination when one or two or twenty supermarkets refuse
> >to allow blacks in their stores as long as there's a grocery out there that
> >will.  Right?
> 
> Wrong... especially if its the only supermarket in town.  This
> metaphor fails when compared to the ISPs, because there are
> hundreds of them across the country, and any one of them can be
> accessed from anywhere else.

That is only true if one is willing to bear the cost of the LD phone bills.
Most people aren't. Even at "Ten-cents a minute", it would take only a 
couple of hours per month for the phone bill to handily outstrip the ISP
bill.

George Graves


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Stewart King wrote:
> 
> Ourobouros (p_stone@alchemy.co.nz) wrote:
> 
> : The Indian civilization was started by the Arya, an Aryan people.
> 
> I've yet to get this straight, but I'm under the impression that white
> people aren't technically Aryan.
> 
> : Egypt was started by white people.
> 
> Studies of skulls in the Nile valley show that about one third of the
> people who started the earliest Egyptian civilization were racially Negroid.
> I have references to cite on demand but they're in another section of the
> building right now and I'm lazy.
> 
> : Mesopotamia, according to one book I've read recently (Myths from
> : Mesopotamia Creation, The Flood, Gilgamesh and Others) the Priests had
> : blue blooded daughters.  Most probably you're ignorant of base reality
> : and cannot fathom blue blood out, but here is a clue, which race has
> : blue veins?
> 
> Wow, that's concrete.
> 
> : China is more difficult, but if you care to examine their history,
> : they weren't handled by yellow Emperors either...
> 
> I should hope not.  Perverts.
> 
> Come the fuck on.  China ruled by white people?  Get a big clue and snort
> it, sleep for eight hours, and see who's in bed with you.  Don't be silly
> like me.
> 
> : The Sub-Saharan civilizations were started by people from the North, guess
> : who lay north?
> 
> Arabs?  And they weren't _started_ by northerners, just heavily
> influenced.  They all miscegenated and then made civilizations.  Odd how
> that works out sometimes.
> 
> : The South American people, have you ever read Thor Heyerdahl's works,
> : he beside a number of academics believe that the builders of
> : civilization were in fact, white (Thor Heyerdahl actually proved it was
> : possible).
> 
> By doing it himself.  I read that book as a kid, it was awesome.  Kon
> Tiki, was it?  Something like that.  Rafts and shit.  But white?  I
> thought he was just doing it like Polynesians.  There's evidence of
> Chinese or other Asian influence in south america (elephant pictures and
> suchlot), but I'm unaware of white signs.
> 
> : Please prove that the Ainu were Caucasiod white.

> --
> Stewart King

Thor Heyerdahl's theories have been largely overturned by more recent
anthropological and archaelogical findings. He proved (in "Kon-Tiki") only
that early Polynesians COULD have emmigrated from the west coast of 
South America by raft, not that they DID so. It now seems pretty conclusive
that the early Polynesians came from Southeast Asia. Heyerdahl's books
are, alas, just good documentary adventure stories.

George Graves


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James White wrote:
> =

> On Jan 14, 1996 15:35:46 in article  feather!>, 'George Graves ' wrote:
> =

> =

> =

> >Yeah and the threats they make. Secret dossiers (which have yet to appea=
r,
> =

> >I'm not holding my breath) and veiled threats of physical violence. Show=
s
> >how bankrupt the ideas of the liberal multiculturalists really are!
> =

> =

> There is no reason to threaten you, you are so dumb that you will kill
> yourself by falling through your own asshole on to RuntLes.  What is a
> liberal multiculturalist?  Where did that appellation come from?  Did you=

> think it up all by your self or did you parrot it from the "ugly runtLes"=
?
> I cannot imagine that you would ever come up with an original idea becaus=
e
> you are gravely stupid.  Have you ever in your life ever had an original
> idea?  Liberal multiculturalist is so worn out that it conveys no meaning=
=2E
> Germans have a name for your type, you are "untermenchen", which in Engli=
sh
> means subhuman,
> =

> =

> --
> =

> Zu den guten Deutschen Leuten und Kultur Friede, Liebt und Verst=E4ndnis.=

> =

> James W. White

Look who's talking about being dumb and stupid. If I'm subhuman, Mr. =

Unaware, then you must be non-human, you know, like a cockroach?

George Graves


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> George Graves  wrote:
> 
> >The government of the United States cannot
> >criminally prosecute you for ANYTHING you say (except to threaten
> >the life of the President, but that hasn't been tested in the Supreme
> >Court yet, and when it is, will most likely, be found unconstitutional).
> 
> Yes, the "land of the free and the home of the brave".  Brilliant ideas like
> "death to the Jews" can be screamed in the faces of Nazi-death camp survivors
> with impunity.  Even the most vile bilge spilling out of the mouths of hate-
> filled bigots is considered to be "free speech".

That's right!  Freedom of Speech is like being pregnant Ms. Finsten. There 
is no in between. You are or you aren't. You either have free speech which
guarantees that everyone can voice their opinion, or you have censored
speech, where only 'acceptable' opinions are allowed. There is no middle
road here. And, in case, Ms. Finsten, that you prefer the latter, let me leave
you with this thought piece. How would you feel, if you awoke one day and
found that your point of view had suddenly become "out of favor", and you
were no longer able to voice your opinions without risking prosecution?
Would you still be in favor of curtailment of one's basic rights? If you
still say yes, Ms. Finsten, then you are ripe for a totaliterian government, 
because without guaranteed rights, that is exactly what you would get.
Think about that, Ms. Finsten.

George Graves


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Rajiv K. Gandhi wrote:
> 
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> > Rajiv K. Gandhi (anakin@pinc.com) writes:
> > > In article <4d9r69$4s76@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, speedy7@ibm.net (KT) wrote:
> > >
> > >> anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) says:
> 
> > >> Name just *one* thing any black has contributed to Western society that
> > >> is worth recognizing. The two mentioned, certainly aren't. For niggers
> > >> have no history worth of attention and M. L. King was fighting for the
> > >> rights of his own race.
> > >
> > > Time zones. Blood transfusions. Both invented by african americans. Worth
> > > recognizing.
===================================================================
TIME ZONES? What kind of revisionist bullshit have you been reading?  demarcated time zones 
were initiated in England in the 1830's to standardize the Railroad Timetables. They were 
"adopted" by the US rail system in the 1850's for the same reason. No one actually invented 
them. The earth does that naturally (it turns once on its axis every twenty-four
hours, get it? Makes every 15 degrees of longitude equal one hour). 
Standardizing time zones just makes the entire zone equal the same time 
rather than using local time which gets later by one minute every 0.25
degrees one travels from east to west.
And you mean blood typing, not blood transfusions.
====================================================================
 
> >
> > Even assuming that your bullshit is true, Gandhi, you're overlooking
> > something so obvious that it makes me shudder to think that such morons as
> > you are on this planet:
> > Neither of those things would have been invented if we hadn't brought
> > those Stone Age left-overs here and taught them that there's more to
> life than > idling away on the savannahs of Africa.
> 
> So your position is that given the same opportunities that a white person
> is, an african american can excel.
> 
> >
> > > Demonstrate:
> > >
> > > (2) that all jewish people are liberals
> >
> > They PREACH liberalism, asshole, but they PRACTICE conservatism.
> 
> No. Some Jewish people are liberals. Some are conservatives. Prove to me,
> as KT has so irresponsibly claimed, that all Jewish people are liberals.
> In your case prove to me that all jewish people preace conservatism, and
> practice liberalism.
> 
> By the way, liberal is not a bad word.
===================================================================
Liberal is a very bad word. In the U.S.A. that word has cost American
taxpayers almost 6 trillion dollars over the last 30 years for liberal
social programs which have all but busted the country and have had
a negative net effect on the problems they were supposed to address.
===================================================================
> 
> > > (3) that the african american population has a birth rate
> disproportional to the
> > >     average national rate in the United States
> >
> > Open your eyes, paki
> 
> They are wide open little man, and all I see is an ignoramus who refuses
> to move beyond his own hatred. Show me verifiable statistics.
> 
> > > (4) that the majority of crimes perpetrated upon white people is
> iniatiated > >     by african americans
> >
> > Check any crime stats, paki.  Or just pay attention to the news.
> 
> You are implying that you have seen the crime statistics. Provide me with
> a quote or a reference.
> 
> By the way, I watch the news. Nothing there to support your claim that the
> majority of crimes perpetrated upon white people is iniatiated by african
> americans.

====================================================================
According to the US Department of Justice, Mr Ghandi, 1 in 4 African-
American males are involved in the US criminal justice system (1 in 3 for 
males between the ages of 16 and 35). Someone recently quoted the stats
here on this NG which show that if Black, Hispanic, and Asian crime 
rates were removed from the US crime statistics, this country would have
the lowest crime rate on earth.

George Graves


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Wizard of id wrote:
> 
> George Graves  wrote:
> 
> >Marty Kelley wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, George Graves wrote:
> >>
> >> > Marty Kelley wrote:
> >>
> >> > > So, Mr. Graves, do you acknowledge that the Nazis killed some 10 to 12
> >> > > million civilians during WW II, about half of them Jews?  Your previous
> >> > > posts have indicated that you do accept the Nazi genocide as a fact,
> >> > > which does rather set you apart from many of your co-racists.
> >> >
> >> > Absolutely! I might not agree with the numbers (I think they have been
> >> > set way-high, for propoganda purposes), but the fact of the holocaust is
> >> > incontrovertable. My two high-horses are multicuturalism in America and
> >> > the World Zionist Conspiracy which promotes it. My feeling on the
> >> > conspiracy is that if everybody knows about it, it will cease to be a force
> >> > in American society either socially, intellectually, emotionally, or
> >> > politically. Then many subjects could be dealt with realistically instead
> >> > of being wrapped up up propoganda, political correctness and hype. I am
> >> > not a Nazi. I do not believe that ehat the Nazi's did in WWII is excusable
> >> > by any stretch of the concept. What I DO understand (but again, do not
> >> > condone) is the motivation behind their actions.
> >>
> >> Thank you for the clarification.  I still think you're a nauseating
> >> racist kook, Mr. Graves, but at least you're not a nauseating racist
> >> Holocaust-denying kook.
> >>
> >> Now, a couple of followup questions: On what basis do you claim that the
> >> numbers of victims of the Holocaust "were set way high for propaganda
> >> purposes"?  If the evidence for the Holocaust is "incontrovertible" (and
> >> I agree with you that it is), why do you think that the evidence upon
> >> which the estimated death tolls is not equally valid?
> >>
> >> And on what basis do you claim that multiculturalism is promoted by a
> >> "World Zionist Conspiracy"?  As a more-or-less Irish-American guy who
> >> loves Japanese, Thai, and Indian food, 19th-century Russian and
> >> 20th-century African-American writers, and World Music of many varieties,
> >> I have to say that I seem to have missed my copy of the marching orders from
> >> Jerusalem.
> >>
> >> ----------------------
> >> Marty Kelley  (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU)
> 
> >I have answered that question before, but in case you missed it, I will
> >again. Before World War II (the first time I posted this I said 1939
> >[getting old, memory, you know], but upon checking later I find it was
> >1936) The New York Times ran a compiled European Census, including

> So you say that in 1936  the NYT did publish some census, could you be
> specific as to what month or day, or is this something you have
> heard,but haven't read or can readily point to?
====================================================================
I read the reference to the New York Times Census in another book. They
did not cite the actual date.
====================================================================
> >the Soviet Union. In this compiled census, they put the number of Jews
> >in Europe at less than four million. Remember, in '36, Hitler was already
> >sabre rattling, and defaming Jews. The New York Times, being a
> >Jewish owned newspaper (a family named Ochs owned it then, still

> *Why is it important to tell the reader that the NYT was/is owned by
> *Jews?? does that make the NYT suspect or are you just trying to throw
> *suspicion into a feeble mind?? If so, why would you use them as a
> *source??
====================================================================
If you read on, I think you will find that questioned answered a couple of sentences down, but I'll 
enlarge on it anyway. The NYT, being Jewish run
would have no reason to inflate (or deflate) the number of Jews 
artificially. A Nazi leaning paper might inflate the number to make the
"menace" look bigger and therefore more compelling. An isolationist
paper might deflate the number so that they could tell Americans not
to get so excited about Hitler over a couple of hundred thousand Jews.
That is why I mentioned that the NYT was Jewish owned/run.
====================================================================  
> 
> >does), was necessarily alarmed at the fate of Jews all over Europe
> >should Hitler gain the upper hand there. With motive in mind, I have
> >no reason NOT to believe those figures. If there were only 4 million
> >Jews in Europe and The Soviet Union in the late '30's, it would be
> >difficult for Hitler's Nazi's to have killed 6 million. Also, directly after
> >the war, Jews in America were saying that 12 million Jews were killed.
> >A little later it dropped to 10, then to 8, and finally the number settled
> 
*Now once again you use Jews as some source, could you tell me what
> *Jews in America said that 12 million Jews were murdered??
====================================================================
As near as I can remember (I read this over 20 years ago) it was the 
JADL(Jewish Anti Defamation League) who first quoted those inflated figures.
The War Crimes people made them revise them downward as their 
investigation of Nazi atrocities commenced.
=====================================================================
> 
> >upon was 6 million, and there it has stuck. But is the number important?
> >Were it 6, 6000, 6 million, or 60 million, it was a heinous thing, and a
> >true crime against humanity. History is full of holocausts. In 1918, the
> >Turks tried to wipe out the Armenians. Armenians don't have the-shall
> >we say- "access" to the media that the Jews do, so you don't hear about
> >that one very much, but the aim was the same the genocide of an entire
> >people.

> I do think that you are missing the point as to the Holocaust and your
> analogy of Armenia, remember that Jews were citizens of Germany, and
> many other countries who were systematically murdered because of their
> religion, not as to what country they were citizens of, that is a big
> difference.
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Jews were not persecuted because of their religion. One does not classify
a Luthern by the amount of Luthern blood one has. Nazis, OTOH, maintained
that someone with "one drop of Jewish blood" in their heritage, was a Jew.
If it was their religion being persecuted, what does bloodline have to do
with it? 
Your downplaying of the Armenian genocide is callous and disgusting. There
is no difference. You are saying that the Jewish genocide is more important 
because Jews were involved and Jews are more important than Armenians. 
Nazi's killed Jews, Turks killed Armenians, and Serbs kill Croates 
(or whatever) its all "ethnic cleansing" and its wrong.
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> >You confuse multiculturalism with the assimilation of cultures. I have
> >some friends of Italian ancestery. They don't speak Italian, they don't
> >adhere to any Italian customs (as they put it, their ancestors left that
> >part of them in Palermo), but they own a fantastic Italian restaurant,
> >and Mama makes the best lasagne I've ever eaten. They are as American
> >as You Mr. Kelly because they assimilated. They hate multiculturalism
> >as much as I do. They say that these new immigrants from Asia have no
> >interest in being Americans, that they don't care for our culture. They
> >are here  only to make a buck. Are they? I don't know, but the government
> >doesn't care if they like America or not. They no longer care if immigrants
> >learn English, learn American history, and government, or even understand
> >the oath of alleigence required when they get their naturalization papers.
> >This is wrong. It fragments this country, it dilutes its culture, and I
> >believe that it will eventually bring it down. Maybe its an inevitable
> >consequence of change, I don't know. But I do know that I am compelled
> >to fight it, because I like this country, and this culture the way it is. I'd
> >hate to see it go away.
> 
> >George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Wed Jan 17 18:55:48 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> : >
> : >
> : > True. But liars will move mountains to avoid being made accountable
> : > for their falsehoods.
> 
> : I'll tell you what I told Morrison. If the personel at these papers have
> : changed since my source was compiled, then it is your duty as the
> : accuser to post the contrary evidence. Its the easiest thing in the world
> : to tell someone they are wrong without producing the evidence of their
> : error.
> 
> Er, no. All I have to do is point out that your statements are
> false; I do not have, nor does anyone else, to prove the contrary
> true. That is all that is necessary to demonstrate that you are a
> liar.
> : George Graves
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu

Oh, is that how it works? OK.

Your statement about my statement being false is false. Under your 
rules that statement by me makes your statement, made above, a lie.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> In <30FA4684.2004@aimnet.com>, gmgraves@aimnet.com said:
> 
> >Multiculturalism is the belief in a plural society. One in which all
> >cultures are encouraged to practice that culture rather than become
> >assimilated; to celebrate the differences between cultures rather than
> >bond together as one nation using the strength of our sameness as the
> >bonding agent. It is characterized by multilingual signs in places other
> >than international airports, by multilingual voting materials and school
> >materials. It is characterized by hyphenated group names, ending in
> >"-American", instead of just American. It is caused by unbriddled
> >immigration of people who neither understand nor care to learn the
> >American culture coupled with  a destructive notion that people should no
> >longer be made to assimilate into the culture of the majority. It is
> >wrong, it is dangerous, and it will ultimately result in the desruction
> >of this culture and of this country.
> 
> George!  That's the closest you've come to expressing a thought since you
> joined this newsgroup.  Congratulations.
> 
> So you are saying that cultures can't practice their cultures and assimilate
> into the society in which they live?  Yet, that is exactly what you accuse
> the Jews of doing.
> 
> Europe has had "multilingual signs" for decades, and it seems to be doing
> fairly well.  Switzerland has four official languages and it seems to be
> doing pretty well.
> 
> What kind of an American are you?  Are you a hyphenated American?
> 
> I guess the only answer for this menace you see is to separate the races?  I
> guess we can start by "sending them back where they came from"?  Mind you,
> if that doesn't work, we'll just dump 'em on Madagascar or something like
> that, right?  And if that doesn't work, well..................  Rosenberg
> would be proud of you, Georgie.
> 
> The rest of humanity isn't.
> 
> --
> Gord McFee

I just believe that this country should belong to those who built it. Let me
make a quick analogy. I suspect that you earn a living and support your
family, and if you don't perhaps some day you will. You work hard to give
you and yours a good living, and a comfortable home. First thing you know,
George Graves is knocking on your door. When you open it, he sweeps in 
carrying two large suitcases. He asks you where his room is, and then 
raids your icebox (all without as much as a by-your-leave, you understand),
and then asks when you are going to have the checks made so that he can
access your checking account, and oh, if you call right now, you can have
duplicates of your credit cards with Graves' name on them in just a 
couple of days. You wouldn't like that, I suspect. Why should you, who have
worked hard for what you have, share it with Graves? What has he 
contributed? All he is doing is taking up your space and reducing the 
amount of your income that is available for you and your family (lower 
standrd of living).  
Multiculturalism is like that. Exactly. The standard of living of the average
American falls every year (it used to go up every year). He has 20% less
buying power than he did less than two decades ago. Its a simple equation:
Finite resources divided by too many people equals less for everyone. Even
if (and I have no doubt that this is true) some of the immigrants create 
wealth, the overall net effect is negative. Blacks are predators. They put
an enormous drain on this society. I don't know what to do about that, but
nothing that has been tried so far has had any effect. Yes, I do believe this
would be a better society without them.
Now, the way I see it, and I'M SURE you'll correct me if I'm wrong, here, 
liberals are all in favor of multiculturalism. They don't mind having 
their standard of living eroded. But if the government told you that due to
housing shortages, you libs will have to start taking-in black and 
immigrant families to your homes, you'd change your tune quickly
enough! You see, liberalism just fine as long as YOU don't have to deal
with it personally. That's one of the reasons why its so phoney.

George Graves


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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.internet.media-coverage,alt.censorship
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William December Starr wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) said:
> 
> > There's nothing wrong with being a liberal, so it's wrong to make
> > things inconvenient for liberals.  There's a lot wrong with being
> > a bigot, so there's nothing wrong with making things inconvenient
> > for bigots.
> 
> While, almost simultaneously, the very same Joel Rosenberg said in
> article , in response to a
> statement made by someone else:
> 
> > Well, I guess if you believe in proof by assertion, you've just
> > proved something.
> 
> Hmmm...
> 
> -- William December Starr 

Now, THAT'S what I call a matter of opinion! There is plenty wrong
with being a liberal. I don't know what country your from, but over
the last 40 or so years liberalism has all but destroyed the United
States. Trillions thrown away on questionable liberal social 
programs where the results are that the problems these programs
were designed to address are worse now than they were BEFORE
the programs were put into effect and the money wasted. 
Liberalism on an individual basis only shows that the individual
is extremely naive in the ways of the world, but when governments
practice it, its a sure road to destruction.
By the way, how do YOU define bigot, and please explain why a bleeding
heart liberal is any less of a bigot than those he accuses of bigotry?

George Graves


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Fresh816 wrote:
> 
> George, you are a serious paranoid, as well as an asshole.
> 
> What makes you possibly believe that the goyim (literally "nations") are
> going to be slaughtered?
> 
> Tell me, do you see black helicopters flying above you?

EHHH1 Thanks for playing. Goyim means "human cattle" according to
my Yiddish dictionary. Trying to clean it up huh? Won't work. Too 
many know what goy/goyim means.

George Graves


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Stacia wrote:
> 
> hkatz@earth.usa.net (Harry Katz) writes:
> 
> >In article <30EF0756.7D0F@aimnet.com>,
> >George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) pontificates:
> 
> [snipped George's idiocy]
> 
> >What is actually going on is this: I pointed out a logical flaw in
> >Mr. Graves' reasoning that he cannot dispute, so he blusters instead,
> >hoping to divert attention away from his inability to respond.
> 
> >--
> >Harry Katz
> 
>   I'm resisting a strong urge to scream "we know!" :) However, considering
> the amount of posts George writes and the astounding amount of crap he can
> generate in just one post, you can't say this enough:  George posts
> drivel.  Even considering the normal intelligence (and lack thereof) of
> the racists around here, George stands out.  Congratulations, George.
> We'll never forget you.
> 
> Stacia
> 
Its only drivel to the brain-dead, Stacia.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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Martin Fox wrote:
> 
> libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote:
> >George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> Some snipped.
> 
> >
> >>: As to J.P. Morgan. I simply got him confused with Henry Morganthau Sr. who
> >: was Jewish, and did contribute to the Bolshevik revolution along with
> >: Guggenhiem, and Jacob Schiff (senior partner of Kuhn, Loeb and Co. who gave
> >: Lenin $20,000,000 for the "cause"). What confused me is the similarity of
> >: names and the fact that Morgan and Rockefellar (both non Jews) also
> >: contributed to the Russian revolution along with MorganTHAU.
> >: Again, I apologize for any hard feelings that I may have generated through this
> >: unfortunate, but nonetheless unintentional error.
> >
> >J.P. Morgan Sr. died in 1913, so you can't be talking about him.  His son
> >may have contributed to the Bolsheviks, but I doubt it--his assets were
> >pretty well tied up financing Allied arms sales during WWI.  I have no
> >idea whether Morganthau Sr. (father of the more famous Morganthau who
> >served in the Roosevelt administration) contributed to Lenin and Co.
> >
> >Bill
> 
> Since Graves presented no evidence for any of these gifts to the Bolshevik
> revolution, I'd put this into the same category as his other assertions.  But,
> it makes a great story.  Any ovelists out there want to grab this?
> 
> How about this scenario:  All of the wealthy American Jewish fianceers,
> begining with Alexander Hamilson, knew that in the early 20th century
> Jewish capitalism would face a crisis (the depression brought on by their WWI)
> and that to save their world they helped found and finance the Bosheviks.
> I can guarantee at least one sale to Graves.
> 
> Martin Fox

Idiot. Where did you get the idea that that Bolshevism STARTED with the
1917 revolution? Trotsky and Lenin had been a dedicated Bolshevik for 
years by the time Morgan Sr. died. Have you ever heard of the so-called 
1905 "Aborted Revolution"?  Trotsky was one of its main instigators. 
These prominant rich Americans contributed the money mostly to Trotsky, 
directly. If you want my reference, Here 'tis

"The Unseen Hand" A Ralph Epperson, Publius Press, Tuscon Arizona, 1985.
Lib/Congress # 84-06227. Chapter 10., 'The Russian Revolution' PP 99-
112. And if you wish, I can post this author's sources as well, but if you
get the book you can look them up as well as I.

Now, go and do YOUR homework like good little fellow travelers, and lets
see what you come back with.

George Graves


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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> In <30FC4FCC.6EB@aimnet.com>, gmgraves@aimnet.com said:
> 
> >>
> >> I'll keep posting these questions until I get an answer, son. If you're
> >> afraid to answer them, just say so.
> 
> >Afraid to answer? No. The answers are so obvious, that this is probably
> >one of your clever little loaded questions. You have some wonderful little
> >pastiche to come back at whoever answers you with what you know is the
> >only answer possible. Keep asking, but I for one, will not give you the
> >satisfaction of being the trigger for your little trick.
> 
> In other words, Graves, you are a coward and you have no answers.
> 
> >As for the evidence. As i have said many times, I posted it the week of
> >Dec. 25, and its all you're gonna get. All of your fellow travelers have
> >trashed it, out of hand (and I admit, I'm partly at fault for that, I
> >needed to be more careful. I shouldn't have underestimated my enemies. But
> >that won't happen again). I am certainly NOT going to open THAT particular
> >can of worms again. Perhaps some of your fellow traveler friends will send
> >you an E-Mail of it.
> 
> You posted some rambling Protocols rubbish, fifth-hand forgery garbage that
> pretty well sums up your twisted view of the world.
> 
> You are a fraud.
> 
> --
> Gord McFee

And you are a traitor to your people. You are helping to wipe out
civilisation as we know it. What I want to know is why? Why would
you align yourself with the forces of destruction? Are you nuts? Even if we 
assume for a moment that there is no Zionist Conspiracy, and all of this
destructive liberalism and multiculturalism were a helter-skelter grass
roots movement of some kind, where did you get these idiotic ideas about
all people being equal? Why would a sane man, living in a free country with
his rights guaranteed by an inviolate Constitution be willing to throw all
of that away and take a chance on some world government scheme which 
guarantees you nothing in the way of rights? It makes no sense. Your 
fellow travelers in this make no sense, you make no sense. If you think
that I'm a fraud, then you won't be wasting any more of your precious time
on me, then will you?

George Graves


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Y Reichsfeld wrote:
> 
> In article ,
>    t08o@unb.ca (MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY) wrote:
> >In article <30FC524C.18CB@aimnet.com> George Graves 
> writes:
> >
> >>>
> >>> Just for you I will try and use one syll-a-ble words.  What you said first
> >>> does not agree with standard documents on the subjects you mention, ie
> >>> Lenin's religious persuasion.
> >
> 
>>==================================================================
> >>Religion? I said nothing about Lenin's religion. Lenin was a godless
> >>communist. You are using the favorite Jewish obfuscation ploy. Jew
> >>is a RACE and a religion. When I am refering to RACE I use the word
> >>JEW. When I am refering to RELIGION (if, indeed I ever do) I use the
> >>term HEBRAIC FAITH. Now, lets not get that confused again, ok?
> >
> >Fine.  Please give the scientific definition of the Jewish race based on
> >verifiable physiological and genetic markers that differentiate the Jewish
> >race from any other human race.  And references please.
> >
> 
> It will be a cold day in hell when he answers this one and any other questions
> posed to him, he knows that once he does some serious research(if he is
> capable ) he will end up like HAL, suffering severe overload and blowing his
> brains.
> 
> Hmm..., reading the above let's keep on, we just might get the boy to do us
> the favour and put himself out of his misery.

No, no. you mean put myself out of YOUR misery.

George Graves

That's funny, you don't look like a baptist.


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AReyno2740 wrote:
> 
> All this fuckin bullshit about shit between all the races is the biggest
> crock
> of shit since the O.J. trial I'm White and I say fuck Malcom X, The KKK
> Nazi Skinhead Cockerwads, and everyone else that keeps dwelling on same
> old bullshitshit for years. Ethnic bickering and hate crimes only
> complicate the real sitiuationour country faces today.
> 
> I see a lot of intellectual morons in this decade, big government, tabloid
> journalism, etc.
> 
> It's like everybody knows what's going on but nobody is trying to solve
> any of
> the problems for the average American.
> 
> Like for instance the federal government- I doubt there is one truely
> rightious
> man in the whole damn organization
==================================================================
You got that part right, at least!

George Graves
==================================================================
> 
> I challenge Everyone who reads this to do something to positive in thier
> communities, and I don't mean build a new golf range,


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Fri Jan 19 18:47:23 PST 1996
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Frank Weltner wrote:
> 
> In article <4dllp7$blt@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ernstzundl@aol.com
> (ErnstZundl) wrote:
> 
> :The Jewish Conspirator  Louis Bueno (lbueno@dorsai.dorsai.org) writes:
> :
> :
> :-- MOSCOW -- In what observers called a historic ruling, a Russian
> :-- court has pronounced the infamous "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" an
> :-- anti-Semitic forgery -- the first such verdict in the land where the
> :fraud
> :-- originated 90 years ago.
> :
> :This is garbage.  Everyone knows that the Russians are Communists.  And
> :Jews are Communists.  So the Jews control Russia and always have.
> :
> :-- Contemporary evidence shows that the Protocols were written by
> :-- members of Czar Nicholas II's "Okhranka," or secret police, in 1903.
===================================================================
That's Okrana, by the way. 
===================================================================
> :
> :Isn't it just like the Jews?  Obviously, since they controled Russia, they
> :forced the Czar with their secret Jewish mind control to release the
> :Protocols to engineer their own Genocide to earn the sympathy of the
> :world.  It's so obvious!
> :
> :-- as much as 60 percent of the document
> :-- is a bald plagiarism from an anti-Semitic tract published in France
> :around
> :-- that time.
> :
> :I don't believe in "plagarism."  I believe in Free Speech.  You can break
> :ANY law you want as far as I am concerned in the name of Free Speech.
> :That is what I always say every time I yell "fire!" in a crowded shopping
> :mall.  My right to free speech gives me the write to copy anything I want,
> :lie about anything I want, accuse anyone I want, incite violence against
> :anyone I want, and do my best to talk people into hating anyone I want.
> :And I can damn well plagarize anyone I want.  And so can Czar Nicholas if
> :he wants to, even though he was Jewish.
====================================================================
Czar Nicholas Romanov was a JEW? The same Nicholas Romanov who was 
the grandson of Queen Victoria of England? The same Nicholas Romanov
who was cousin to Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany and King Edward V of 
England? The same Nicholas Romanov whose family ancestors were the
famous Saxe-Coburg Gothas of Germany? Boy, I've had a couple of good 
laughs here this day, but this one takes the cake!

George Graves
=====================================================================   
> :
> :
> :
> :
> :               -- Ernest Zundel
> :
> :My right to free speech supersedes your right to exist.
> 
> Yes, but you are still an asshole. But I will defend your right to be an
> asshole. If you start killing folks, again, like Adolph Hitler did,
> however, we'll take you out, as we should have taken Hitler out. Not the
> jews or the blacks, but the whites like me. I will take you out myself. If
> you don't stay in your cage, that is. Have a nice day, butthead.
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Couch Potato        Creature of Wonderful Ideals
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>                                  )|(
>                                 (o o)
>      *=======================ooO-(_)-Ooo==========================*
> 
>             Helping us all to find a kindler, gentler, view.


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Sat Jan 20 10:41:50 PST 1996
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Brian O'Sullivan wrote:
> 
> > william c anderson wrote:
> > >
> > > Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) wrote:
> > >
> > > : I've got 2 murders behind my house, the minister's wife next door with 5
> > > : staples in the back of her head from being beaten on the street, the widow
> > > : next door wanting to move after 60 years because the black section 8 kid
> > > : threatens her, 20 black kids fighting in the street and 6 cop cars showing
> > > : up to stop them, a black man caught with a full burglar's bag in my
> > > : neighbor's yard across the street, a shooting several weeks ago, and 10
> > > : murders in 12 blocks including 2 Washington University girls raped and
> > > : shot in the throat, one of which survived. Yes, "Frank has no excuse."
> > >
> > > No excuse whatsoever.  Even if your litany of crimes is true, and
> > > even if every one of these crimes was committed by a black man, and
> > > even if every black man living in your neighborhood is a criminal,
> > > you still have no excuse for blaming these deeds on the entire black
> > > race.
> > >
> > > Bill
> 
> In fact, if all the crimes in your neighborhood were indeed committed by
> black males, why not blame males in general instead of blacks in
> general?  This is the problem with your reasoning; you're generalizing
> based upon race yet again.
> 
> 
> Brian O'Sullivan    

Wait a minute, Frank clearly stated that these were BLACK crimes 
committed by black males. Why would he want to blame all males?
Its not ALL MALES who have one-in-three of their 15-35 year olds
involved in the criminal justice system. Its not ALL MALES in which
one-forth of their entire male population is either in prison, have 
been in prison, or, are on their way to prison. Its BLACK MALES. 
These are not my labels, or Frank's lables, these are statistics 
>from  the US Department of Justice who singles out black crime.
So doing what you advocate would be a lie, now wouldn't it? And
what good would that do anybody?

George Graves


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Mr Richard Ethan Latker wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : Idiot. Where did you get the idea that that Bolshevism STARTED with the
> : 1917 revolution? Trotsky and Lenin had been a dedicated Bolshevik for
> : years by the time Morgan Sr. died. Have you ever heard of the so-called
> : 1905 "Aborted Revolution"?  Trotsky was one of its main instigators.
> : These prominant rich Americans contributed the money mostly to Trotsky,
> : directly. If you want my reference, Here 'tis
> 
> I'm sorry George, but this is pretty misleading. I don't claim to know
> about monetary support of American industrialists for the Bolsheviks
> (except that Armand Hammer had early links with Lenin), but I *do* know
> about the events of 1905.
> 
> Trotsky's (and Lenin's) role in the 1905 revolt was minimal. Trotsky was,
> in fact, still a Menshevik theoretician at the time, and the Bolsheviks
> were still a tiny faction who spent a lot of their time robbing banks. The
> political activities of both groups (both progeny of the Social Democratic
> Party, which had split in 1903) were overshadowed by other workers groups,
> farm organisations and dissenting elements in the Orthodox Chirch.
> 
> The "main instigators" of the 1905 uprising were in fact soldiers returing
> from their humiliating defeat in the Russo-Japanese war, starving peasants
> and some trade guilds in St Petersburg and Moscow. The Soviets (worker's
> councils) didn't really exist yet.
> 
> What your sources probably presented was an analysis of the effects the 1905
> uprising had on the nascent Bolsheviks. They could not have asserted that
> the Bolsheviks themselves were responsible for it. The term "aborted
> revolution" comes from Lenin (writing, I believe, in 1914), when he
> described how in the *absence* of "working-class leadership", the revolt
> was doomed to failure.
> 
> RL


Quite correct.

George Graves


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <30FC512F.5B97@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > I have already apologized elswhere for mixing up J.P. Morgan and Henry
> > Morganthau Sr. But you can see how they got confused; Similar name,
> > and they both contributed to the Bolshevik Revolution. I can only
> > apologize so often for what was, an unintentional error.
> 
> And you have yet to offer any evidence whatsoever that either J.P. Morgan
> or  Henry Morganthau Sr. "contributed to the Bolshevik Revolution." Is
> this profound lack of supporting evidence, in spite of your shrill
> accusations, also an "unintentional error?"
> 
> Perhaps your apologizing isn't quite finished yet?

Here is the source for this assertion.

"The Unseen Hand" A Ralph Epperson, Publius Press, Tuscon Arizona, 1985.
Lib/Congress # 84-06227. Chapter 10., 'The Russian Revolution' PP 99-
112. And if you wish, I can post this author's sources as well, but if you 
get the book you can look them up as well as I.


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <30FC512F.5B97@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > I have already apologized elswhere for mixing up J.P. Morgan and Henry
> > Morganthau Sr. But you can see how they got confused; Similar name,
> > and they both contributed to the Bolshevik Revolution. I can only
> > apologize so often for what was, an unintentional error.
> 
> And you have yet to offer any evidence whatsoever that either J.P. Morgan
> or  Henry Morganthau Sr. "contributed to the Bolshevik Revolution." Is
> this profound lack of supporting evidence, in spite of your shrill
> accusations, also an "unintentional error?"
> 
> Perhaps your apologizing isn't quite finished yet?

Here is the source for this assertion.

"The Unseen Hand" A Ralph Epperson, Publius Press, Tuscon Arizona, 1985.
Lib/Congress # 84-06227. Chapter 10., 'The Russian Revolution' PP 99-
112. And if you wish, I can post this author's sources as well, but if you 
get the book you can look them up as well as I.

George Graves


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Brian O'Sullivan wrote:
> 
> > william c anderson wrote:
> > >
> > > Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) wrote:
> > >
> > > : I've got 2 murders behind my house, the minister's wife next door with 5
> > > : staples in the back of her head from being beaten on the street, the widow
> > > : next door wanting to move after 60 years because the black section 8 kid
> > > : threatens her, 20 black kids fighting in the street and 6 cop cars showing
> > > : up to stop them, a black man caught with a full burglar's bag in my
> > > : neighbor's yard across the street, a shooting several weeks ago, and 10
> > > : murders in 12 blocks including 2 Washington University girls raped and
> > > : shot in the throat, one of which survived. Yes, "Frank has no excuse."
> > >
> > > No excuse whatsoever.  Even if your litany of crimes is true, and
> > > even if every one of these crimes was committed by a black man, and
> > > even if every black man living in your neighborhood is a criminal,
> > > you still have no excuse for blaming these deeds on the entire black
> > > race.
> > >
> > > Bill
> 
> In fact, if all the crimes in your neighborhood were indeed committed by
> black males, why not blame males in general instead of blacks in
> general?  This is the problem with your reasoning; you're generalizing
> based upon race yet again.
> 
> 
> Brian O'Sullivan    

Wait a minute, Frank clearly stated that these were BLACK crimes 
committed by black males. Why would he want to blame all males?
Its not ALL MALES who have one-in-three of their 15-35 year olds
involved in the criminal justice system. Its not ALL MALES in which
one-forth of their entire male population is either in prison, have 
been in prison, or, are on their way to prison. Its BLACK MALES. 
These are not my labels, or Frank's lables, these are statistics 
>from  the US Department of Justice who singles out black crime.
So doing what you advocate would be a lie, now wouldn't it? And
what good would that do anybody?

George Graves


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Brian O'Sullivan wrote:
> 
> > william c anderson wrote:
> > >
> > > Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) wrote:
> > >
> > > : I've got 2 murders behind my house, the minister's wife next door with 5
> > > : staples in the back of her head from being beaten on the street, the widow
> > > : next door wanting to move after 60 years because the black section 8 kid
> > > : threatens her, 20 black kids fighting in the street and 6 cop cars showing
> > > : up to stop them, a black man caught with a full burglar's bag in my
> > > : neighbor's yard across the street, a shooting several weeks ago, and 10
> > > : murders in 12 blocks including 2 Washington University girls raped and
> > > : shot in the throat, one of which survived. Yes, "Frank has no excuse."
> > >
> > > No excuse whatsoever.  Even if your litany of crimes is true, and
> > > even if every one of these crimes was committed by a black man, and
> > > even if every black man living in your neighborhood is a criminal,
> > > you still have no excuse for blaming these deeds on the entire black
> > > race.
> > >
> > > Bill
> 
> In fact, if all the crimes in your neighborhood were indeed committed by
> black males, why not blame males in general instead of blacks in
> general?  This is the problem with your reasoning; you're generalizing
> based upon race yet again.
> 
> 
> Brian O'Sullivan    

Wait a minute, Frank clearly stated that these were BLACK crimes 
committed by black males. Why would he want to blame all males?
Its not ALL MALES who have one-in-three of their 15-35 year olds
involved in the criminal justice system. Its not ALL MALES in which
one-forth of their entire male population is either in prison, have 
been in prison, or, are on their way to prison. Its BLACK MALES. 
These are not my labels, or Frank's lables, these are statistics 
>from  the US Department of Justice who singles out black crime.
So doing what you advocate would be a lie, now wouldn't it? And
what good would that do anybody?

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Sat Jan 20 11:30:48 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
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Paul J Hunstad wrote:
> 
> I think you guys are really ignorant and the existence of such a group on
> the Usenet, despite free speech, is very stupid and only further divides
> society.
> 
> I think people should stop thinking of each other as a color and just
> treat each other as human beings.  Life is short, there is a God (and God is
> not a racist), and this kind of racism that you are trying to perpetrate
> is in the same political camp as that racist in sheep's clothing Rush
> Limbaugh aka Adolf Hitler and the Racist Republican Party.
> 
> BURN THE CONFEDERATE FLAG and hang the racist, inbred redneck idiots.


Lets see now, You love all the people of the world, but you hate racists.
Do I detect an inconsistancy here? Do you know the REAL maening of the
word bigot? Do you  know that you and the rest of your fellow travelers
qualify? 
By the way, Limbaugh is not a racist, neither is the Republican party. In 
fact, their platform specifically prohibits racism. That is what is 
wrong with both Limbaugh and the Republicans, they aren't racists, and
thus not true conservatives.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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Mr Richard Ethan Latker wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : Idiot. Where did you get the idea that that Bolshevism STARTED with the
> : 1917 revolution? Trotsky and Lenin had been a dedicated Bolshevik for
> : years by the time Morgan Sr. died. Have you ever heard of the so-called
> : 1905 "Aborted Revolution"?  Trotsky was one of its main instigators.
> : These prominant rich Americans contributed the money mostly to Trotsky,
> : directly. If you want my reference, Here 'tis
> 
> I'm sorry George, but this is pretty misleading. I don't claim to know
> about monetary support of American industrialists for the Bolsheviks
> (except that Armand Hammer had early links with Lenin), but I *do* know
> about the events of 1905.
> 
> Trotsky's (and Lenin's) role in the 1905 revolt was minimal. Trotsky was,
> in fact, still a Menshevik theoretician at the time, and the Bolsheviks
> were still a tiny faction who spent a lot of their time robbing banks. The
> political activities of both groups (both progeny of the Social Democratic
> Party, which had split in 1903) were overshadowed by other workers groups,
> farm organisations and dissenting elements in the Orthodox Chirch.
> 
> The "main instigators" of the 1905 uprising were in fact soldiers returing
> from their humiliating defeat in the Russo-Japanese war, starving peasants
> and some trade guilds in St Petersburg and Moscow. The Soviets (worker's
> councils) didn't really exist yet.
> 
> What your sources probably presented was an analysis of the effects the 1905
> uprising had on the nascent Bolsheviks. They could not have asserted that
> the Bolsheviks themselves were responsible for it. The term "aborted
> revolution" comes from Lenin (writing, I believe, in 1914), when he
> described how in the *absence* of "working-class leadership", the revolt
> was doomed to failure.
> 
> RL


Quite correct.

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Sat Jan 20 11:30:50 PST 1996
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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <30FC512F.5B97@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > I have already apologized elswhere for mixing up J.P. Morgan and Henry
> > Morganthau Sr. But you can see how they got confused; Similar name,
> > and they both contributed to the Bolshevik Revolution. I can only
> > apologize so often for what was, an unintentional error.
> 
> And you have yet to offer any evidence whatsoever that either J.P. Morgan
> or  Henry Morganthau Sr. "contributed to the Bolshevik Revolution." Is
> this profound lack of supporting evidence, in spite of your shrill
> accusations, also an "unintentional error?"
> 
> Perhaps your apologizing isn't quite finished yet?

Here is the source for this assertion.

"The Unseen Hand" A Ralph Epperson, Publius Press, Tuscon Arizona, 1985.
Lib/Congress # 84-06227. Chapter 10., 'The Russian Revolution' PP 99-
112. And if you wish, I can post this author's sources as well, but if you 
get the book you can look them up as well as I.


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <30FC512F.5B97@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > I have already apologized elswhere for mixing up J.P. Morgan and Henry
> > Morganthau Sr. But you can see how they got confused; Similar name,
> > and they both contributed to the Bolshevik Revolution. I can only
> > apologize so often for what was, an unintentional error.
> 
> And you have yet to offer any evidence whatsoever that either J.P. Morgan
> or  Henry Morganthau Sr. "contributed to the Bolshevik Revolution." Is
> this profound lack of supporting evidence, in spite of your shrill
> accusations, also an "unintentional error?"
> 
> Perhaps your apologizing isn't quite finished yet?

Here is the source for this assertion.

"The Unseen Hand" A Ralph Epperson, Publius Press, Tuscon Arizona, 1985.
Lib/Congress # 84-06227. Chapter 10., 'The Russian Revolution' PP 99-
112. And if you wish, I can post this author's sources as well, but if you 
get the book you can look them up as well as I.

George Graves


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Socialist Black Man wrote:
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> Most Nazis are losers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lizard wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:16:51 GMT, planet@universe.com (Wizard of id)
> wrote:
> 
> >lizard@dnai.com (Lizard) wrote:
> 
> >>If the Wiesenthal Center succeeds in intimidating providers into
> >>banning some forms of speech, the next group to come along will have
> >>it even easier. Any provider who knuckles under to one group of
> >>whiners will kunckle under to the next, and the next, and the next...
> 
> >I could just  as well ask you then same question concerning metzger
> >and his threats concerning Nizkor, it isn't hard to see that the
> >racist trash is far more worried and far more capable of being violent
> >the some group like the SWC.
> 
> I am unfamiliar with this particular case. How about some details?
> Last time I checked, threats of violence were not considered free
> speech...
> 
> >>I'd rather have the fascists out where I can see them, not scurrying
> >>around in the dark.
> 
> >Yes?? then be aware that there are those who are more then willing to
> >use the cover of darkness to committ their nefarious deeds, like
> >firebombing, and murder.
> 
> This is why we have the *Second* Amendment.
> 
> And do you honestly think shutting down public web sites will do
> anything to stop people plotting violence via private e-mail? Or
> perhaps we should monitor everyone's e-mail, ban encryption, ban anon
> servers, have all communication monitored -- and thus, in the name of
> protection from fascism, create a fascist state.
> 
> You cannot defeat tyranny with the weapons of tyranny. The only way to
> fight tyranny is with freedom.
> *------------------------------------------------------------*
> Evolution doesn't take prisoners:Lizard
> Christmas -- Bah! Humbug!:C. Dickens
> URL:http://www.dnai.com/~lizard


The left IS the "new fascism", mostly because they, like all fascists
want to quell ALL opposition to their belief system. The very idea of
"political correctness" is a liberal invention and is fascist in concept.

George Graves


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : Jews were not persecuted because of their religion. One does not classify
> : a Luthern by the amount of Luthern blood one has. Nazis, OTOH, maintained
> : that someone with "one drop of Jewish blood" in their heritage, was a Jew.
> : If it was their religion being persecuted, what does bloodline have to do
> : with it?
> 
> This is nonsense, of course.  According to the Nuremburg laws, a person
> was considered a Jew if he had three or four Jewish grandparents, or if
> he had two Jewish grandparents and was married to a full Jew or belonged
> to the Jewish religious community.  George, do you ever bother to do any
> research at all, or do you just type whatever comes into your head?
> 
> Bill

What difference does that make? You are obfuscating once again. I put
the "one drop...." in quotes, I'm simply making the point that bloodline
and religion aren't related. Nobody ever talks about Baptist blood, or 
having Catholic blood, or Luthern blood but they talk about Jewish 
blood! and that's the point. If Jews were merely a religion (as Jews
love to assert), there would be no such thing as a Jewish bloodline. 
Are you so hung up on inconsequentialities that you miss the point
of all posts? It sure seems that you do. 

George Graves


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <4dlp4s$8di@larry.cc.emory.edu>, libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu
> (william c anderson) wrote:
> 
> > George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> >
> > : Jews were not persecuted because of their religion. One does not classify
> > : a Luthern by the amount of Luthern blood one has. Nazis, OTOH, maintained
> > : that someone with "one drop of Jewish blood" in their heritage, was a Jew.
> > : If it was their religion being persecuted, what does bloodline have to do
> > : with it?
> >
> > This is nonsense, of course.  According to the Nuremburg laws, a person
> > was considered a Jew if he had three or four Jewish grandparents, or if
> > he had two Jewish grandparents and was married to a full Jew or belonged
> > to the Jewish religious community.  George, do you ever bother to do any
> > research at all, or do you just type whatever comes into your head?
> >
> 
> Actually, I think he sleeps with a copy of _Mein Kampf_ under his pillow,
> so as to get his "ideas" by osmosis.
> 
> In a letter written to Adolf Gemlich, dated September 16, 1919, who asked
> for enlightenment on the Jewish Question,  Hitler set forth some of the
> ideas later found in _Mein Kampf_. Ideas such as: "Anti-Semitism as [a]
> politcal movement" and that "Jewry is without question a race and not a
> religious fellowship." Such ideas were the backbone of National Socialist
> ideology.
> 
> Of course, when such ideology and "legality" collide you get an
> abomination like the Nuremburg Laws, which were nothing more than a
> political Trojan Horse for paving the way for subsequent legislation of
> racist pogroms by which to disenfranchise the Jews. First of their rights,
> then their property, and finally their lives.
> 
> That such pathetic and vile ideas are _still_ the mainstay of National
> Socialism is something Mr. Graves, and others, prove here almost daily.
> 
> Mark

I'll say it again:  I'm simply making the point that bloodline
and religion aren't related. Nobody ever talks about Baptist blood, or 
having Catholic blood, or Luthern blood but they talk about Jewish 
blood! and that's the point. If Jews were merely a religion (as Jews
love to assert), there would be no such thing as a Jewish bloodline. 
Are you so hung up on inconsequentialities that you miss the point
of all posts? It sure seems that you do. There is no Nazi undercurrent
here, I have said time and time again, that I do not believe in Nazi-ism,
I am not in favor of physically harming innocent people, and I wish 
that you folks would stop grouping me with those who do. I simply
believe that people should be held accountable for their evil, whether
this evil is Nazi, Communist, criminal or World Zionist! 

George Graves


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ibokor wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> :
> : Yeah, I got 'em mixed up. I meant Henry Morganthau (Sr.) when I said
> : J.P. Morgan. Old age working on the memory, you know.
> :
> 
> Too little, too late, and wrong.
> 
> You protested vehemently when it was pointed out several times that
> J.P. Morgan was not Jewish. The people who pointed it out were
> abused. It was claimed that there are reliable sources (albeit
> undisclosed) that the said J.P. Morgan was, inter alia, Jewish,
> and it was suggested that those who protest are either co-conspirators
> or their dupes, etc.
> 
> Now you sorta kinda say you might have been a little wrong.
> Given the abuse meted out to those who attempted to point out
> to you with civility that you were wrong, a real man would
> apologise as loudly as the abuse was meted out. A worm would merely
> hide behind senile dementia or Alzheimers.
> 
> By the way, it is still "Morgenthau", and not "Morganthau".
> What is the excuse this time? Illiteracy? Congenital stupidity?
> These will at least have a measure of credibility.
> 
> d.A.

Not very gracious are you?

George Graves


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article , potato@mo.net
> (Frank Weltner) wrote:
> 
> > Actually, I haven't missed the point!
> >
> > The point is that Hitler and Stalin were sickoes. They were scumbags. We
> > must NEVER allow sociopaths, idealists, racists, liberals, or fascists to
> > gain control of another country.
====================================================================
And not to forget the worst of them all, Wee Willy Clinton, "The Lyin' King".

George Graves

===================================================================
> >
> > Understand?
> >
> > Okay.
> >
> > What we need is Pat Buchanan....
> 
> Deja vu.
> 
> Mark
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> right through every human heart--and all human hearts."
> 
> -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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Lizard wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:16:51 GMT, planet@universe.com (Wizard of id)
> wrote:
> 
> >lizard@dnai.com (Lizard) wrote:
> 
> >>If the Wiesenthal Center succeeds in intimidating providers into
> >>banning some forms of speech, the next group to come along will have
> >>it even easier. Any provider who knuckles under to one group of
> >>whiners will kunckle under to the next, and the next, and the next...
> 
> >I could just  as well ask you then same question concerning metzger
> >and his threats concerning Nizkor, it isn't hard to see that the
> >racist trash is far more worried and far more capable of being violent
> >the some group like the SWC.
> 
> I am unfamiliar with this particular case. How about some details?
> Last time I checked, threats of violence were not considered free
> speech...
> 
> >>I'd rather have the fascists out where I can see them, not scurrying
> >>around in the dark.
> 
> >Yes?? then be aware that there are those who are more then willing to
> >use the cover of darkness to committ their nefarious deeds, like
> >firebombing, and murder.
> 
> This is why we have the *Second* Amendment.
> 
> And do you honestly think shutting down public web sites will do
> anything to stop people plotting violence via private e-mail? Or
> perhaps we should monitor everyone's e-mail, ban encryption, ban anon
> servers, have all communication monitored -- and thus, in the name of
> protection from fascism, create a fascist state.
> 
> You cannot defeat tyranny with the weapons of tyranny. The only way to
> fight tyranny is with freedom.
> *------------------------------------------------------------*
> Evolution doesn't take prisoners:Lizard
> Christmas -- Bah! Humbug!:C. Dickens
> URL:http://www.dnai.com/~lizard


The left IS the "new fascism", mostly because they, like all fascists
want to quell ALL opposition to their belief system. The very idea of
"political correctness" is a liberal invention and is fascist in concept.

George Graves


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : Jews were not persecuted because of their religion. One does not classify
> : a Luthern by the amount of Luthern blood one has. Nazis, OTOH, maintained
> : that someone with "one drop of Jewish blood" in their heritage, was a Jew.
> : If it was their religion being persecuted, what does bloodline have to do
> : with it?
> 
> This is nonsense, of course.  According to the Nuremburg laws, a person
> was considered a Jew if he had three or four Jewish grandparents, or if
> he had two Jewish grandparents and was married to a full Jew or belonged
> to the Jewish religious community.  George, do you ever bother to do any
> research at all, or do you just type whatever comes into your head?
> 
> Bill

What difference does that make? You are obfuscating once again. I put
the "one drop...." in quotes, I'm simply making the point that bloodline
and religion aren't related. Nobody ever talks about Baptist blood, or 
having Catholic blood, or Luthern blood but they talk about Jewish 
blood! and that's the point. If Jews were merely a religion (as Jews
love to assert), there would be no such thing as a Jewish bloodline. 
Are you so hung up on inconsequentialities that you miss the point
of all posts? It sure seems that you do. 

George Graves


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <4dlp4s$8di@larry.cc.emory.edu>, libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu
> (william c anderson) wrote:
> 
> > George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> >
> > : Jews were not persecuted because of their religion. One does not classify
> > : a Luthern by the amount of Luthern blood one has. Nazis, OTOH, maintained
> > : that someone with "one drop of Jewish blood" in their heritage, was a Jew.
> > : If it was their religion being persecuted, what does bloodline have to do
> > : with it?
> >
> > This is nonsense, of course.  According to the Nuremburg laws, a person
> > was considered a Jew if he had three or four Jewish grandparents, or if
> > he had two Jewish grandparents and was married to a full Jew or belonged
> > to the Jewish religious community.  George, do you ever bother to do any
> > research at all, or do you just type whatever comes into your head?
> >
> 
> Actually, I think he sleeps with a copy of _Mein Kampf_ under his pillow,
> so as to get his "ideas" by osmosis.
> 
> In a letter written to Adolf Gemlich, dated September 16, 1919, who asked
> for enlightenment on the Jewish Question,  Hitler set forth some of the
> ideas later found in _Mein Kampf_. Ideas such as: "Anti-Semitism as [a]
> politcal movement" and that "Jewry is without question a race and not a
> religious fellowship." Such ideas were the backbone of National Socialist
> ideology.
> 
> Of course, when such ideology and "legality" collide you get an
> abomination like the Nuremburg Laws, which were nothing more than a
> political Trojan Horse for paving the way for subsequent legislation of
> racist pogroms by which to disenfranchise the Jews. First of their rights,
> then their property, and finally their lives.
> 
> That such pathetic and vile ideas are _still_ the mainstay of National
> Socialism is something Mr. Graves, and others, prove here almost daily.
> 
> Mark

I'll say it again:  I'm simply making the point that bloodline
and religion aren't related. Nobody ever talks about Baptist blood, or 
having Catholic blood, or Luthern blood but they talk about Jewish 
blood! and that's the point. If Jews were merely a religion (as Jews
love to assert), there would be no such thing as a Jewish bloodline. 
Are you so hung up on inconsequentialities that you miss the point
of all posts? It sure seems that you do. There is no Nazi undercurrent
here, I have said time and time again, that I do not believe in Nazi-ism,
I am not in favor of physically harming innocent people, and I wish 
that you folks would stop grouping me with those who do. I simply
believe that people should be held accountable for their evil, whether
this evil is Nazi, Communist, criminal or World Zionist! 

George Graves


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ibokor wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> :
> : Yeah, I got 'em mixed up. I meant Henry Morganthau (Sr.) when I said
> : J.P. Morgan. Old age working on the memory, you know.
> :
> 
> Too little, too late, and wrong.
> 
> You protested vehemently when it was pointed out several times that
> J.P. Morgan was not Jewish. The people who pointed it out were
> abused. It was claimed that there are reliable sources (albeit
> undisclosed) that the said J.P. Morgan was, inter alia, Jewish,
> and it was suggested that those who protest are either co-conspirators
> or their dupes, etc.
> 
> Now you sorta kinda say you might have been a little wrong.
> Given the abuse meted out to those who attempted to point out
> to you with civility that you were wrong, a real man would
> apologise as loudly as the abuse was meted out. A worm would merely
> hide behind senile dementia or Alzheimers.
> 
> By the way, it is still "Morgenthau", and not "Morganthau".
> What is the excuse this time? Illiteracy? Congenital stupidity?
> These will at least have a measure of credibility.
> 
> d.A.

Not very gracious are you?

George Graves


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article , potato@mo.net
> (Frank Weltner) wrote:
> 
> > Actually, I haven't missed the point!
> >
> > The point is that Hitler and Stalin were sickoes. They were scumbags. We
> > must NEVER allow sociopaths, idealists, racists, liberals, or fascists to
> > gain control of another country.
====================================================================
And not to forget the worst of them all, Wee Willy Clinton, "The Lyin' King".

George Graves

===================================================================
> >
> > Understand?
> >
> > Okay.
> >
> > What we need is Pat Buchanan....
> 
> Deja vu.
> 
> Mark
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> right through every human heart--and all human hearts."
> 
> -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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Wandering wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : Stop beating a dead horse Anderson, You were wrong, not me. Lenin was a
> : Jew. J.P. Morganthau was a Jew. and Elizabeth MEYER Graham is a Jewess.
> 
> Tell me George, do you find something familiar in any of the following
> descriptions?


==================================================================
Yeah, they all fit you liberals and multiculturalist fellow travelers
to a 'T'. What's your point? Not being either a psychologist or a 
Psychiatrist, I'm afraid I can't help you. But that you DO need help is 
clear.

George Graves
==================================================================
> 
> Paranoid Disorder Diagnostic Criteria from DSM IV, published 1980 by the
> American Psychiatric Association (pp 111-112):
> 
> "A: Persistent persecutory delusions or delusional jealousy.
> "B. Emotion and behavior appropriate to the content of the delusional system.
> "C. Duration of illness of at least one week.
> "D. None of the symptoms of criterion A of Schizophrenia (p. 103), such as
> bizzare delusions, incoherence, or marked loosening of associations.
> "E. No prominent hallucinations.
> "F. The full depressive or manic syndrome...is either not present, developed
> after any psychotic symptoms, or was brief in duration relative to the
> duration of the psychotic symptoms.
> "G. Not due to an Organic Mental Disorder.
> 
> "297.10 Paranoia Diagnostic Criteria.
> "A. Meets the criteria for Paranoid Disorder (above).
> "B. A chronic and stable persecutory delusional system of at least six
> months' duration.
> "C. Does not meet the criteria for Shared Paranoid Disorder (below).
> 
> "297.30 Shared Paranoid Disorder Diagnostic Criteria.
> "A. Meets the criteria for Paranoid Disorder (p. 111).
> "B. Delusional system develops as a result of a close friendship with
> another person or persons who have an established paranoid psychotic
> disorder.
> 
> -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =
> nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu -- Flame mail will be gleefully posted and
> dissected in front of 20,000,000 people. Thanks in advance.


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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <30FFC2D6.6A34@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> >Sara aka Perrrfect wrote:
> >>
> >> Speaking of beating yet ANOTHER dead horse.....
> >>
> >> In article <30FC524C.18CB@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Religion? I said nothing about Lenin's religion. Lenin was a godless
> >> > communist. You are using the favorite Jewish obfuscation ploy. Jew
> >> > is a RACE and a religion. When I am refering to RACE I use the word
> >> > JEW. When I am refering to RELIGION (if, indeed I ever do) I use the
> >> > term HEBRAIC FAITH. Now, lets not get that confused again, ok?
> >>
> >> George:
> >>
> >> Please, oh please, offer SPECIFIC SCIENTIFIC information that identifies
> >> Jews as a race.
> >>
> >> I'd like to see the specific differences between the "white race" and the
> >> "Jewish race" that prove your point.
> >>
> >> And I would like the names and crdentials of scientists, geneticists,
> >> etc., whose research you are relying upon.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Sara
> >
> >Let me get this straight. Are you DENYING that Jews are are a race? Are
> >you sayng that Jews have no phisical characteristics that identify them
> >as Jews? If so, you must think we goyim are awfully stupid. Now I'm
> >not saying that there won't be a lot of your goyishe fellow travelers who
> >won't try to back you up. You Jews have a good portion of population
> >fully brainwashed. But if you are trying to tell the rest of us that there
> >is no such thing as the Jewish race, you're stone nuts!
> >
> >George Graves
> >
> >P.S. You know what Jewish racial characteristics are as well as I do
> >(better even, you are a Jew), so stop with the innocent ploy, OK?
> 
> _Name_ those characteristics.
> 
> _Specify_ the differences betwen the "white" race and the "Jewish" race.
> 
> _Quote_ the research that backs you up.
> 
> _Stop_ dodging the question.
> 
> Or, simply admit that this is yet another "fact" you are "convinced" is
> true, yet cannot offer a single piece of convincing evidence for. Perhaps
> reviewing your comprehensive collection of Clive Cussler novels would
> help.
> 
> JGB

Bronstein, don't be so stupid. EVERYBODY above the age of ten knows
that Jews are a Race, a Culture and a religion. Otherwise people would
be saying "Funny you don't look Catholic." or "Funny you don't look baptist."
But they don't. People do say "He looks Jewish". If Jews aren't a race,
then why did Cecil B. DeMille (a half Jew) write a letter to his sister,
the famous dance choreographer, Katherine DeMille, scolding her for
having her picture taken in profile for "Life" magazine, saying: "Don't
you ever pose in profile for a picture again, you look too Jewish!"

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Derek Bell wrote:
> 
> George Graves  writes:
> >Fresh816 wrote:
> >> Well, George, I'm not a kid, but you're obviously of a childish mind.
> >You're in college? About 20? To me you're a kid. Be happy that you are,
> >and for god's sake enjoy it. It goes away so quickly.
> 
>         And being of a childish mind doesn't necessarily go away?
> 
>         Derek
> --
> Derek Bell  dbell@maths.tcd.ie  WWW: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dbell/index.html
>        ``It says "Press any key to continue" - where's the "ANY" key?''
>                             - Homer Simpson

Thankfully, that part can be retained (in part). And Hey, I was being
nice, gave you a complement of sorts. Are you so eat up with this
stuff that it fills you with hate? If so, who's the bigot here?

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Racial vs. national (was: Stewart King the clueless)
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) drools:
> 
> (snip)
> 
> > You haven't answered my question.  How do you identify a Moor in a
> > person's family tree, Mr. Griswold?  The Moors were driven out of
> > Spain 20-25 generations ago.  Do you know all the details about
> > all the people in your family tree going back 20 generations, Mr.
> > Griswold?  Even if you had a list of all their names and places of birth,
> > how would you know there weren't any outright lies, or lies of omission
> > in your genealogy?
> 
> Fester, Fester, Fester...
> 
> The "let's cast doubts on a nationalist's heritage!" game has been played
> before, a lot better and more skillfully than you are doing now.  Suffice
> it to say, *I* am confidant I would pass the muster of anybody interested;
> indeed, I HAVE already.
> 
> Les
> 
> --
> "Any damn fool can learn from his own experience, but it takes a wise man
> to learn from someone else's experience."
>                 -- someone

Les, in an attempt to "define" the white race I would say that anyone of
non-Jewish European background who is not negroid, not mongoloid
or Malay is white. This includes people of Nordic and Germanic extraction,
people with Celtic background. It also includes slavs, Finns and European
Russians (all white by ethnicity). Or to put it more simply, all European
caucasians who are non-semitic. That works for me.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) drools:
> 
> (snip)
> 
> > You haven't answered my question.  How do you identify a Moor in a
> > person's family tree, Mr. Griswold?  The Moors were driven out of
> > Spain 20-25 generations ago.  Do you know all the details about
> > all the people in your family tree going back 20 generations, Mr.
> > Griswold?  Even if you had a list of all their names and places of birth,
> > how would you know there weren't any outright lies, or lies of omission
> > in your genealogy?
> 
> Fester, Fester, Fester...
> 
> The "let's cast doubts on a nationalist's heritage!" game has been played
> before, a lot better and more skillfully than you are doing now.  Suffice
> it to say, *I* am confidant I would pass the muster of anybody interested;
> indeed, I HAVE already.
> 
> Les
> 
> --
> "Any damn fool can learn from his own experience, but it takes a wise man
> to learn from someone else's experience."
>                 -- someone

Les, in an attempt to "define" the white race I would say that anyone of
non-semitic European background who is not negroid, not mongoloid
or Malay is white. This includes people of Nordic and Germanic extraction,
people with Celtic background. It also includes slavs, Finns and European
Russians (all white by ethnicity). Or to put it more simply, all European
caucasians who are non-semitic. That works for me.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Fresh816 wrote:
> 
> Interestingly, Cystic Fibrosis, a rather common and always fatal disease
> of the pulmonary system, is confined almost completely to Nordics.
> 
> May all of George Graves' children get it.

You liberal fascists are really intolerant and very nasty aren't you? You
not only spy on people with whom you disagree, and keep "dossiers" on
them, and publish private stuff about them on the Usenet, but you 
actually wish them ill.
Now, I don't really give a damn what you say about me, but I just thought
I would answer this bit of petty nastiness just to show everyone the 
depths to which you 'peace and love' liberals will sink in YOUR hatred. My
question is this: What is the difference between hating people who look
different than you do, and hating people who have different ideas than
you do? And why do you believe that your particular bigotry gives you 
any high moral ground?

Of course none of the opposition will dare answer this. 

George Graves


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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) drools:
> 
> (snip)
> 
> > You haven't answered my question.  How do you identify a Moor in a
> > person's family tree, Mr. Griswold?  The Moors were driven out of
> > Spain 20-25 generations ago.  Do you know all the details about
> > all the people in your family tree going back 20 generations, Mr.
> > Griswold?  Even if you had a list of all their names and places of birth,
> > how would you know there weren't any outright lies, or lies of omission
> > in your genealogy?
> 
> Fester, Fester, Fester...
> 
> The "let's cast doubts on a nationalist's heritage!" game has been played
> before, a lot better and more skillfully than you are doing now.  Suffice
> it to say, *I* am confidant I would pass the muster of anybody interested;
> indeed, I HAVE already.
> 
> Les
> 
> --
> "Any damn fool can learn from his own experience, but it takes a wise man
> to learn from someone else's experience."
>                 -- someone

Les, in an attempt to "define" the white race I would say that anyone of
non-Jewish European background who is not negroid, not mongoloid
or Malay is white. This includes people of Nordic and Germanic extraction,
people with Celtic background. It also includes slavs, Finns and European
Russians (all white by ethnicity). Or to put it more simply, all European
caucasians who are non-semitic. That works for me.

George Graves


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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) drools:
> 
> (snip)
> 
> > You haven't answered my question.  How do you identify a Moor in a
> > person's family tree, Mr. Griswold?  The Moors were driven out of
> > Spain 20-25 generations ago.  Do you know all the details about
> > all the people in your family tree going back 20 generations, Mr.
> > Griswold?  Even if you had a list of all their names and places of birth,
> > how would you know there weren't any outright lies, or lies of omission
> > in your genealogy?
> 
> Fester, Fester, Fester...
> 
> The "let's cast doubts on a nationalist's heritage!" game has been played
> before, a lot better and more skillfully than you are doing now.  Suffice
> it to say, *I* am confidant I would pass the muster of anybody interested;
> indeed, I HAVE already.
> 
> Les
> 
> --
> "Any damn fool can learn from his own experience, but it takes a wise man
> to learn from someone else's experience."
>                 -- someone

Les, in an attempt to "define" the white race I would say that anyone of
non-semitic European background who is not negroid, not mongoloid
or Malay is white. This includes people of Nordic and Germanic extraction,
people with Celtic background. It also includes slavs, Finns and European
Russians (all white by ethnicity). Or to put it more simply, all European
caucasians who are non-semitic. That works for me.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Kevin Wayte wrote:
> 
> >  Rush could lose 50 lbs with the Ultra Slim Fast plan -but- they don't
> >sponsor his show which means their part of the liberal media.
> 
> Why is Rush so fat?
> 
> Simple answer.
> 
> BECAUSE HE IS STRAIGHT!!!
> 
> Why are fat beer-bellies who sit home and watch football ALWAYS straight?
> 
> Ever think about it?
> 
> Gays are simply (as an overall group) healthier, better educated, better
> employed, more attractive, in better shape, have higher IQ's, and have more
> taste and artistic traits than straight people as an overall group.

Yeah, AIDS makes 'em real healthy. 

George Graves


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Kevin Wayte wrote:
> 
> >  Rush could lose 50 lbs with the Ultra Slim Fast plan -but- they don't
> >sponsor his show which means their part of the liberal media.
> 
> Why is Rush so fat?
> 
> Simple answer.
> 
> BECAUSE HE IS STRAIGHT!!!
> 
> Why are fat beer-bellies who sit home and watch football ALWAYS straight?
> 
> Ever think about it?
> 
> Gays are simply (as an overall group) healthier, better educated, better
> employed, more attractive, in better shape, have higher IQ's, and have more
> taste and artistic traits than straight people as an overall group.

Yeah, AIDS makes 'em real healthy. 

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <30FEDF3C.A0@aimnet.com>, George Graves  wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > And you are a traitor to your people. You are helping to wipe out
> > civilisation as we know it.
> 
> More like "civilisation" (sic) as _you_ fantasize it. (Deja vu ala the
> Third Reich.) "We" destroyed it once, and if necessary I'm sure "we" will
> destroy it again. This is good, as _your_ "civilisation" (sic) has no
> place in the _civilized_ world.
==================================================================
BTW, "civilisation" is an alternate spelling, not an incorrect one. I went
to school for many years in Bermuda, and the British spelling was drilled
into me.
===================================================================
> 
> > What I want to know is why?
> 
> Because _your_ fantasy "civilisation" (sic) is sick and perverted. Just
> like the Nazis were sick and perverted. Once is enough, thank you.
====================================================================
Yes I agree that Nazis were sick and perverted, I've always said so. What's
your point?
===================================================================
> 
> > Why would you align yourself with the forces of destruction?
> 
> Because those "forces" are comprised of a great many good people who hold
> the ideas this country was founded on in their hearts. (e.g. Enlightened
> liberalism and justice, various natural rights like freedom and equality,
> etc.)  I'd like to consider myself one of those people.
===================================================================
ENLIGHTENED LIBERALISM? How do yo define that? And how does it differ
>from  the type of liberalism now being practised in this country which is
anything but enlightened?
===================================================================
> 
> This of course is diametrically opposite of what some people would like to
> have. Too bad for them, 'cause they ain't gonna have _their_ way if I can
> help it.
> 
> > Are you nuts?
> 
> No, Graves, Gord isn't the one who is nuts. You are. You are quite far
> around the bend with your pathetic racial hatreds. What a sad existance
> you must lead....
> 
> > ...where did you get these idiotic ideas about all people being equal?
> 
> How about the Declaration of Independance? You know:
> 
> "WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal,
> that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
> among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure
> these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just
> Powers from the Consent of the Governed..."
===================================================================
I think that passage is quite clear. Our Founding Fathers were saying that
all men are created equal UNDER THE LAW. It doesn't say anywhere that 
all men have equal abilities or equal intellects. This is a modern liberal
idea formulated by you liberal fascists, its called hyperegalitarianism,
and its wrong.
====================================================================
> 
> Or don't you subscribe to such a philosophy? (That's a rhetorical
> question, Graves. The answer is self-evident from your ravings.)
> 
> > Why would a sane man, living in a free country with
> > his rights guaranteed by an inviolate Constitution be willing to throw all
> > of that away and take a chance on some world government scheme which
> > guarantees you nothing in the way of rights?
> 
> And since when does our pluralistic society require this? What a bizzare
> notion. Been sneaking into the cooking sherry again, Graves?
====================================================================
That is what all of you liberal fascists, Jews, and multiculturalists are
working toward, is it not? One world with a one world government?
==================================================================== 
> 
> > If you think that I'm a fraud, then you won't be wasting any more of
> your precious time on me, then will you?
> 
> On the contrary. It is _because_ you are a fraud and a bigot and, most
> especially, espouse sick and perverted ideas that you will _always_ be
> opposed.
> 
> Better get used to it, Nazi-boy.
====================================================================
Once again Mr. Van Alstine, I am not a Nazi. I do not believe in National
Socialism (or any other kind of socialism for that matter, unlike you and
your fellow travelers). I do not believe in killing people. I do not believe
in denying anyone their rights or in having mine abrogated (again, unlike 
some of your fellow travelers). I believe in a free country for whites, 
where Jews have not the power to carry out their subrosa machinations. 
No one needs to be killed for this to happen. Jews only need to be exposed
and nonwhites repatriated. I also believe that this country already exists
and is called the United States of America. A country which used to 
be the most powerful country on earth, with the highest standard of living
for its citizens. A country hewn from a wilderness by white people using
only the sweat of their brows, and the power of their intellect.
That country is, in my opinion, in grave perile. As the mix of population
shifts away from predominately white, we have become weak and no longer
have the highest standard of living in the world. Americans have lost 20%
of their buying power since 1976 (even after adjusting for inflation). Crime
is among the highest in the world (and would be the lowest, according to
Dept. of Justice stats, if black, Asian, and Hispanic crime were factored 
out of the equation). I remember as a kid, walking through Central Park
at night, seeing lovers strolling, people enjoying the quiet of the place. 
Try that today Mr. Liberal-fascist (No, on second thought, don't. We wouldn't
want you to get hurt). All of this is due (IMHO) to immigration and liberal 
multiculturalist ideas fostered by people such as yourself.
I just want to fix these problems. To overturn damaging policies which 
never should have been tried in the first place. If this makes me a nasty
racist, I'll cop to it, but don't call me a Nazi just because ONE of Nazi-isms
traits was racism.

George Graves
=================================================================== 
> 
> Mark
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> right through every human heart--and all human hearts."
> 
> -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Mon Jan 22 10:40:41 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
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Paul Whitehouse wrote:
> 
> In article <30FAF043.48@aimnet.com>, gmgraves@aimnet.com says...
> 
> >
> >Yes, Mr. Race-Traitor, just as easy as it is to say that they are not.
> >
> >George Graves
> 
>    Your statement was irrelevant, illogical, and totally devoid of any facts
> whatsoever. "Race-traitor" is a fictional term invented by fools who actually
> believed that such a term needed to exist, and all you have actually said in
> your response is "Yes, I cannot prove that these people said that they agree
> with me, but you cannot prove that they didn't." We can only assume that you
> were not telling us the truth, because you have demonstrated absolutely no
> intention whatsoever of even attempting to back up a single claim. Face it;
> you are a loser, and all of your wp freinds are also losers who are deluding
> themselves into believing that they might have a shot in hell at intimidating
> the entire population into bowing to your irrational and unacceptable
> demands. Dream on, sparky!
>                                                              Byte me.

On the contrary. You are irrelenant.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Mike Jones wrote:
> 
> In <4dhjq7$qj5@amhux3.amherst.edu> jaklein@unix.amherst.edu (Josh Klein)
> writes:
> 
> >
> >George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> >
> >> David [Dragon] Fiedler wrote:
> >> > And it's pretty idiotic to think that someone's religion would have
> anything
> >> > to do with their views on Internet censorship...especially Jews,
> who are
> >> > taught to question everything, even their own leaders.
> >> >
> >> > David (Dragon) Fiedler
> >
> >> I'm not talking about religion, I don't care about someone's
> religious beliefs,
> >> I'm talking about the seed of Abraham.
> >
> >Oh.  You think that genetics plays more of a role in determining
> people's
> >attitudes towards censorship?  On which chromosome, exactly, is
> >the censorship gene located?
=================================================================
You jump to conclusions kid. Association, not genetics.

George Graves
=================================================================
> >
> >--
> >Josh Klein
> >Amherst College
> >
> 
> Dear Josh, right next to the Collective Victimization gene.......Mike
> 
> 'History needs no law to protect it and no one to protect us from it.'
>                                                          MDJ


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Fresh816 wrote:
> 
> Still, George, us conspiratorial Jews were given voting rights with the
> rest of the white boys in 1787 when James Madison (aka Jacob Madistein)
> completed and presented the Constitution.  Voting for Jewish men has NEVER
> been an issue in the US of A.


Jacob Madisein, that's funny.

George Graves


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Fresh816 wrote:
> 
> Still, George, us conspiratorial Jews were given voting rights with the
> rest of the white boys in 1787 when James Madison (aka Jacob Madistein)
> completed and presented the Constitution.  Voting for Jewish men has NEVER
> been an issue in the US of A.


Jacob Madistein, that's funny.

George Graves


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KPhilby wrote:
> 
> Oh Boy! Spelling lessons!!!
> You know what they say; "Put a thousand monkeys in room full
> of VT 100 terminals and sooner or later you'll get a post from Caesar."
> Anyways, thaks fur de speling lessin Seazer! Nows that I kin spel
> "loser" I'll be the pryde of Malcom X Cumminity Kollege here in Kompton.
> 
> Comrade Kim Philby
> 
> "BOOM,THUD,BOOM,BOOM,THUD"-Any car full of blacks
> passing your house at two in the morning.


These guys have never heard of typographical errors. They certainly
can't tell the difference between a typo and an actual misspelling. 
Hell, my typing is so bad, I often mistype my own name!

George Graves


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Mr Richard Ethan Latker wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : And you are a traitor to your people. You are helping to wipe out
> : civilisation as we know it.
> 
> George, I've really, really tried to take your concerns about social
> degradation and your mistrust of Jews seriously. I've always thought your
> idea were about some mysterious Jewish cabal with evil designs on society

Deleted for brevity.
> 
> I don't think you're a fraud, George. I think you are an honestly deluded
> person who is afraid of what he sees and downright terrified of the
> future. You need someone to blame, and the Jews, the traditional target,
> suffice nicely. I find it very, very sad.
> 
> RL

Thank you for your comments. I will formulate an answer and post it anon.

George Graves


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Harry Katz wrote:
> 
> Fresh816 wrote:
> 
>         Offer some proof for this World Zionist Conspiracy...
>         or shut the fuck up.
> 
> In article <30F85AEC.2265@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) whines:
> 
>         I'll shut the fuck up only if you think you can force me or
>         anybody else on this NG to shut up.
> 
> What a short memory Mr. Graves has!  Not so long ago he was telling
> me to "shut up" in this newsgroup as if he owned it.
> 
> --
> Harry Katz
> 
> Do not blame in others your own faults.
>         -- The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.

I NEVER told you to shut up. You either can't read, or you are a liar.
Which is it? I DID OTOH, "suggest" that if you didn't like what I and
others like me were saying, that you were free to go elsewhere. THAT,
Mr. Katz, is a long way from telling you to "shut up".

George Graves


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Josh Klein wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> > Josh Klein wrote:
> 
> > > How's this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
> > > created equal..."
> 
> > You know and I know that Jefferson and the rest of Founding Fathers
> > were NOT saying that all men are born with either equal intellects
> > or equal abilities, but that they should be considered equal UNDER
> > THE LAW. Besides, they weren't talking about non-whites in any
> > case. Blacks were chattel, property, not free men. As such they
> > were not covered in the original Constitution. It was not until the
> > 13th Amendment that this issue was redressed.
> 
> Not quite, George.  In the first place, Jefferson's belief is not
> merely that all men should be regarded as equal in under temporal
> law; what he actually believs is that all men are endowed by their
> creator with unalienable rights -- that is, rights which are
> possessed due to the nature of man himself.  In other words, all men
> are created equal in terms of their God-given right to self-government.
> Abraham Lincoln had a good grasp of this distinction in his famous
> comment (I will paraphrase somewhat) that "The negro may not be
> my equal in color or in intellect, but in his right to eat with his
> own mouth the product of his own labor, he is the equal of myself or
> of any other man."  Lincoln's now offensive comments about black
> inferiority notwithstanding, this statement shows a distictiion that
> you have glossed over.
> 
> In the second place, your claim that Jefferson was not referring here
> to non-whites begs the question.  That very issue was contentiously
> debated in American politics for over 100 years following the signing
> of the Declaration.  Once again, we know how Lincoln felt -- that
> the Constitution was no more than a legal document, unable by itsellf
> to furnish the philosophical grounding for a Republic.  Lincoln
> found a grave contradiction between the ideals of the Declaration and
> the concessions to slaveholders in the Constitution.  In this matter,
> however, he was not alone.  Jefferson, too, the major author of the
> Declaration, realized that slavery was inimical to democratic
> institutions, and said, "indeed, I tremble for our country when I
> realize that God is just."
> 
> --
> Josh Klein
> Amherst College


All of what you say is true, however, it does not alter the fact that 
Constitutional equality does not equal racial equality, or even equality
amongst brothers. That type of equality is a myth, and using that famous
passage in the U.S. Constitution to pretend that absolute equality between
men is a possible or even a laudable goal, is the act of a scoundrel. I was
merely pointing this out.


George Graves


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Paul Whitehouse wrote:
> 
> In article <30FAF043.48@aimnet.com>, gmgraves@aimnet.com says...
> 
> >
> >Yes, Mr. Race-Traitor, just as easy as it is to say that they are not.
> >
> >George Graves
> 
>    Your statement was irrelevant, illogical, and totally devoid of any facts
> whatsoever. "Race-traitor" is a fictional term invented by fools who actually
> believed that such a term needed to exist, and all you have actually said in
> your response is "Yes, I cannot prove that these people said that they agree
> with me, but you cannot prove that they didn't." We can only assume that you
> were not telling us the truth, because you have demonstrated absolutely no
> intention whatsoever of even attempting to back up a single claim. Face it;
> you are a loser, and all of your wp freinds are also losers who are deluding
> themselves into believing that they might have a shot in hell at intimidating
> the entire population into bowing to your irrational and unacceptable
> demands. Dream on, sparky!
>                                                              Byte me.

On the contrary. You are irrelenant.

George Graves


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Milton Kleim wrote:
> 
> RICK THOMPSON: TOWARD A NEW HORIZON
> 
> By Milton John Kleim, Jr.
> 
> Rick had no sooner loaded his CAD program on his workstation, than Mr.
> Williams emotionlessly requested he join him in his office upstairs.
> 
> "Rick, I have some rather serious news.  News I'd rather not give a valued
> employee, someone I can call a friend."  Rick needed not hear the rest.
> 
> China Atomic Technology Co. had bought out one of America's oldest heavy
> engineering firms.  In an "organizational restructuring plan," the victims
> of their capitalist conquest were to be he and dozens of other employees,
> replaced by "cost-effective" immigrants.  Malcolm O'Donnell, his colleague
> of three years, was one of the few to survive.  Malcolm, empathizing with
> his friend, told Rick the Taco Amigo where his daughter worked was still
> hiring.
> 
> It was incredible that a skilled, talented man such as he would work at a
> fast-food joint.  But hey, Tracy O'Donnell, barely 16, was spending her
> leisure time helping her family survive.  Her restaurant wasn't an attrac-
> tive place.  And it had been the site of eight food poisoning deaths two
> years ago.  As Rick entered, the unwashed glass doors and filthy floor
> indicated little had changed.
> 
> "Can I take your order, sir?," asked a pretty young lass.
> 
> "May I speak with your manager?"
> 
> "Miss Green, there's man here who needs to speak with you."
> 
> "Kin ah help yoo?"
> 
> "Yes, mam.  I'm seeking employment with your company.  I'd..."
> 
> "Fill out dis application, and will call yoo."
> 
> Miss Green abruptly left the counter, leaving Rick bewildered.
> 
> Saturday evening's weekly grocery run let Rick bump into Jen's close
> friend at Juan & Heidi's Family Foods.  It was Easter the last time they
> saw each other. He smiled, and greeted her.  Stephanie seemed troubled, as
> they talked for a few minutes.  Once she was certain he didn't already
> know, she spilt it out.
> 
> "I hate to be the one, Rick."
> 
> "The one to do what?"
> 
> "Jen's pregnant.  I know what you went through.  I didn't want to have to
> tell you, but I thought you should know."
> 
> His face grew bright red, as his stomach churned and his heart sank.  He
> knew it would have been -- _should_ have been -- his child Jen was carry-
> ing.  Stephanie explained that "certified pregnancy" between an inter-
> cultural couple qualified the expectant mother for the tax-free grant
> under the Feld Act.
> 
> After a minute, Rick regained composure.  Sensing his tattered feelings,
> Steph gave Rick a warm hug, and departed.
> 
> Rick, the ever proud, independent man, swallowed his pride, and called up
> his father's sister around 10, inquiring about employment opportunities
> she might know of.  He didn't qualify for unemployment, since his income
> had been well above the new qualification limits, and he knew he better
> find some positive cash flow quickly.
> 
> To his astonishment, _she_ had one.  She could use some help with her
> enterprise.
> 
> Aunt Laurie ran a cottage industry in her home, making clothes, curtains,
> and other items.  Her descriptions made it sound like she was doing fairly
> well.  Certainly her textiles were finer quality than the junk one found
> in every discount outlet.  Rick wasn't too concerned with his duties,
> either.  The prospect of working for someone like Amigo's manager wasn't a
> pleasant thought.
> 
> The dinner with Laurie and her boyfriend William was more a party than a
> supper.  It followed another day of deliveries and pickups, mostly to and
> from kind and grateful older ladies and young mothers, each of whom he
> always looked forward to seeing over the previous months.  The three
> shared quirks of the business and their appreciation of the customers'
> tales.  Rick thrice extended his feelings of sincere gratitude during the
> merriment for all Laurie's generosity, something she just graciously
> dispensed with.  He _was_ family, after all.
> 
> The high-spirited mood of the evening came to an abrupt end.  Bill,
> wishing to relax after a hearty meal, made the mistake of flipping on the
> television, something Rick rarely did.
> 
> CNN was reporting on the much-touted commemoration festivities earlier in
> the day.
> 
> October 3rd, 2010, was the 5th anniversary of the Pacific Cultural
> Exchange Agreement.  Sacramento was hosting the festivities, with dozens
> of national personalities and thousands of ordinary citizens in
> attendance.
> 
> Lauding the Agreement, which eliminated all restrictions on immigration
> between the United States and China, was Governor Jim Wong, addressing an
> audience of several thousand, on Capitol Mall.  Following him was Ralph
> Washington, America's first openly gay vice-president.  Those gathered, as
> well as viewers across the Nation, were enlightened to the economic
> benefits and luminous cultural diversity the Agreement facilitated not
> only on the West Coast, but throughout the USA.
> 
> Laurie and Bill asked Rick if he wished to spend the night.  Rick said he
> would prefer to be home.  It would comfort him.
> 
> Rick had finally managed to stablize his finances after unsettling weeks
> of monetary insecurity.  Though he was earning substantially less than at
> B & W, his job satisfaction helped him to do without luxuries previously
> thought necessary.  He was delighted to call on Laurie's customers, whole-
> some, decent people, whose friendship contented him.  One of his favorites
> was Fran Schmit, whose house he was cruising toward.
> 
> Shortly before he arrived, a newsbrief came over the radio.  For a few
> seconds, thoughts of his boyhood home came to mind.  Happy, harmonious Eau
> Claire.  But then his fond memories faded.
> 
> A school bus was caught in the fire of a turf war.  One trio of hoodlums
> set up an ambush, opening up with an old M-60 machine gun at the approach-
> ing rivals.  The yellow transport had turned the corner at the wrong time.
> Four third and fourth graders dead, ten wounded, two seriously.
> 
> Little Rickie's Eau Claire was a peaceful place, safe to play, safe to
> walk, a virtual heaven hidden in western Wisconsin, so far away from the
> Hell-holes of Los Angeles and Miami.  The vignettes of brutal existence
> seen in the mass media about California and Florida had little relevance to
> the Thompsons at the time.
> 
> That had all changed.  25 years ago Eau Claire had no poverty-stricken
> underclass.  Now it did.
> 
> Rick's parents moved away from their native city a few years back, just
> before they both had passed on, north a ways to a small town called
> Spooner.  After Fred Thompson had retired from UW-Eau Claire, he and Jean
> escaped the rising crime and decay of their hometown, and said goodbye
> after over six decades of residence.
> 
> The younger Thompson had watched with melancholy President Bloomfield's
> inaugural address the year previous.  The President had expounded upon the
> tidal wave of diversity across America, due in large part to the Pacific
> Agreement and relaxed immigration regulations for neighboring countries.
> The Nation's leader showcased two communities, one in Rick's home state,
> Wausau, and Helena, Montana, and urged Americans to celebrate the rapid
> social changes in America, holding up Wausau and Helena as ideal commun-
> ities.
> 
> Wausau, Helena, and of course Eau Claire had undergone massive trans-
> formation in three decades.  Once "lily white" monocultural bastions, they
> had been metamorphosed into multicultural communities.  Most areas of the
> "Great White North" had achieved the levels of diversity desired by
> America's visionaries by 2007; by 2010, only a few areas, the extreme
> Upper Midwest and isolated pockets in the Rockies and Appalachia, had
> white populations above 50%.  Everywhere else people of color had con-
> tributed their presence in greater numbers.
> 
> His reflections depressed him.  Almost as deeply as that day when Mrs .
> Sundgren told Rick his ex-lover's father, Al, had fatally shot himself.
> Al, whom Rick considered a second father, had been overwhelmed with despair.
> He couldn't bear his own father's suffering, and Jen's solution to a
> hopeless dilemma pushed him to emotional collapse.
> 
> Rick's recent tragedies and repetitive sad tidings gnawed away at him.
> 
> The '99 Ford had broken down two days earlier, and Rick had to take the
> bus to Laurie's.  Surprisingly, the cabin was lonely, he, the driver, and
> a scruffy middle-aged man across the aisle.  The man's jacket arose
> curiosity.
> 
> "Morning.  You were in the military?"
> 
> "Yeah.  Marines.  Gulf War."
> 
> "Why do you wear the flag upside down?"
> 
> "You are mighty nosy, young man," the man said to Rick, a mere 7 years
> younger than he.
> 
> "Forgive me, sir.  I'm just curious."
> 
> "Well, if you must know, it represents my perception of America.  An upside-
> down flag means we're in dire straits."
> 
> "Yeah, I know things are bad.  I lost my job a while back.  My car's on
> the blink, and I can't afford to fix it 'til next week.  Crime everywhere.
> But, you don't agree with the extremists, do you?"
> 
> "Young man, I fought for my country.  It sold me out.  More properly,
> it's 'leaders' sold me out.  I tried to fight for my country again, and
> earned five years in the joint."
> 
> Rick became tense, as the man went on.
> 
> "Remember the roundups of anti-government people following the 225th
> anniversary of the American Revolution?  Well, I was a member of one of
> the 'illegal' organizations on the hit list.  Didn't get a trial, just a
> ticket to Leavenworth for 'sedition'."
> 
> "Why did you try to fight the government?  Don't you believe in democracy?"
> 
> "Because, young man, there's a motto I lived by.  Something America's
> Founders would have believed in.  A maxim, if practiced, would have made a
> difference in the '90s."
> 
> "If I may ask, what is it?  What was your motto?"
> 
> "Seeing the need, we assume the responsibility."

An interesting soap opera. The liberals here-about will love it, for it
mirrors an image of America near and dear to their hearts.  This is 
what they are all fighting for tooth-and-nail. I sure wish I could be
here to see the looks on their faces when they get what they want, 
and find out that in spite of their "enlightenend liberalism" (whatever
that means) they find themselves being labled enemies of the people,
and are dealt with acordingly. 

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: If You Doubt Weltner is in the KKK, Read this: Was (Re: .........)
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James White wrote:
> 
> On Jan 18, 1996 01:20:04 in article ,
> 'potato@stlnet.com (Frank Weltner)' wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >An age-old story. Our civilization is doomed if this continues. We must
> >take a stand and say no more. It is finished. We will protect ourselves
> >from now on. Period.
> 
> 
> Spoken like a tried and true member of the KKK.  This is exactly their
> line.  They then go on to say: "There is nothing left for whites to do
> except join the race war which has been underway for years now but whites
> were too duped by liberals to understand it".  BTW this would be the second
> race war because whites waged the first race war against Native Americans.
> You know Weltner you match the KKK line so often on things that you must be
> a KKKer.  This is your kinder and gentler way.  Germans do not belong in
> the sewer you belong in the sewer.

> James W. White

White, all this proves is that Mr. Weltner (like the rest of us -you too) reads
to reinforce his predjudices, and that he retains what he reads. By what
magic do you translate this into an admission or proof of KKK membership?

George Graves


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Fresh816 wrote:
> 
> Georgie-Porgie,
> 
> My bigotry is political.  It is against people who willingly choose to be
> what they are, who they are.
> 
> Your bigotry is racial, ethnic, etc.  You hate people based on their
> involuntary membership to specific racial or ethnic groups.
> 
> I am an activist.
> 
> You are  a racist.
> 
> Get the picture?
> 
> And, yes, we do have dossiers on y'all, but they're not private.   They're
> on file at Nizkor for anyone to see.  I contribute when I can.  Why?
> Because I don't like you, frankly, if I can get rid of you through legal
> means, I will.
> 
> My weasels rend your flesh,
> Andrew
> 
> Never strike first, but always strike BACK.
> If they send you to the hospital, send them to the morgue.

Again, I ask. What gives your 'Political Bigotry' any moral high ground?
What makes Political Bigotry any better than "racial, ethinic" bigotry?
We are all activists in our respective causes. GET THE PICTURE?

If you don't like me, fine (I'm really all broken-up about that). I, on 
the other hand, have made no such decision about you because I do
not know you. But then, I'm not predjudiced.

George Graves


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Harry Katz wrote:
> 
> Fresh816 wrote:
> 
>         Offer some proof for this World Zionist Conspiracy...
>         or shut the fuck up.
> 
> In article <30F85AEC.2265@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) whines:
> 
>         I'll shut the fuck up only if you think you can force me or
>         anybody else on this NG to shut up.
> 
> What a short memory Mr. Graves has!  Not so long ago he was telling
> me to "shut up" in this newsgroup as if he owned it.
> 
> --
> Harry Katz
> 
> Do not blame in others your own faults.
>         -- The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.

I NEVER told you to shut up. You either can't read, or you are a liar.
Which is it? I DID OTOH, "suggest" that if you didn't like what I and
others like me were saying, that you were free to go elsewhere. THAT,
Mr. Katz, is a long way from telling you to "shut up".

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <30FEDF3C.A0@aimnet.com>, George Graves  wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > And you are a traitor to your people. You are helping to wipe out
> > civilisation as we know it.
> 
> More like "civilisation" (sic) as _you_ fantasize it. (Deja vu ala the
> Third Reich.) "We" destroyed it once, and if necessary I'm sure "we" will
> destroy it again. This is good, as _your_ "civilisation" (sic) has no
> place in the _civilized_ world.
==================================================================
BTW, "civilisation" is an alternate spelling, not an incorrect one. I went
to school for many years in Bermuda, and the British spelling was drilled
into me.
===================================================================
> 
> > What I want to know is why?
> 
> Because _your_ fantasy "civilisation" (sic) is sick and perverted. Just
> like the Nazis were sick and perverted. Once is enough, thank you.
====================================================================
Yes I agree that Nazis were sick and perverted, I've always said so. What's
your point?
===================================================================
> 
> > Why would you align yourself with the forces of destruction?
> 
> Because those "forces" are comprised of a great many good people who hold
> the ideas this country was founded on in their hearts. (e.g. Enlightened
> liberalism and justice, various natural rights like freedom and equality,
> etc.)  I'd like to consider myself one of those people.
===================================================================
ENLIGHTENED LIBERALISM? How do yo define that? And how does it differ
>from  the type of liberalism now being practised in this country which is
anything but enlightened?
===================================================================
> 
> This of course is diametrically opposite of what some people would like to
> have. Too bad for them, 'cause they ain't gonna have _their_ way if I can
> help it.
> 
> > Are you nuts?
> 
> No, Graves, Gord isn't the one who is nuts. You are. You are quite far
> around the bend with your pathetic racial hatreds. What a sad existance
> you must lead....
> 
> > ...where did you get these idiotic ideas about all people being equal?
> 
> How about the Declaration of Independance? You know:
> 
> "WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal,
> that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
> among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure
> these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just
> Powers from the Consent of the Governed..."
===================================================================
I think that passage is quite clear. Our Founding Fathers were saying that
all men are created equal UNDER THE LAW. It doesn't say anywhere that 
all men have equal abilities or equal intellects. This is a modern liberal
idea formulated by you liberal fascists, its called hyperegalitarianism,
and its wrong.
====================================================================
> 
> Or don't you subscribe to such a philosophy? (That's a rhetorical
> question, Graves. The answer is self-evident from your ravings.)
> 
> > Why would a sane man, living in a free country with
> > his rights guaranteed by an inviolate Constitution be willing to throw all
> > of that away and take a chance on some world government scheme which
> > guarantees you nothing in the way of rights?
> 
> And since when does our pluralistic society require this? What a bizzare
> notion. Been sneaking into the cooking sherry again, Graves?
====================================================================
That is what all of you liberal fascists, Jews, and multiculturalists are
working toward, is it not? One world with a one world government?
==================================================================== 
> 
> > If you think that I'm a fraud, then you won't be wasting any more of
> your precious time on me, then will you?
> 
> On the contrary. It is _because_ you are a fraud and a bigot and, most
> especially, espouse sick and perverted ideas that you will _always_ be
> opposed.
> 
> Better get used to it, Nazi-boy.
====================================================================
Once again Mr. Van Alstine, I am not a Nazi. I do not believe in National
Socialism (or any other kind of socialism for that matter, unlike you and
your fellow travelers). I do not believe in killing people. I do not believe
in denying anyone their rights or in having mine abrogated (again, unlike 
some of your fellow travelers). I believe in a free country for whites, 
where Jews have not the power to carry out their subrosa machinations. 
No one needs to be killed for this to happen. Jews only need to be exposed
and nonwhites repatriated. I also believe that this country already exists
and is called the United States of America. A country which used to 
be the most powerful country on earth, with the highest standard of living
for its citizens. A country hewn from a wilderness by white people using
only the sweat of their brows, and the power of their intellect.
That country is, in my opinion, in grave perile. As the mix of population
shifts away from predominately white, we have become weak and no longer
have the highest standard of living in the world. Americans have lost 20%
of their buying power since 1976 (even after adjusting for inflation). Crime
is among the highest in the world (and would be the lowest, according to
Dept. of Justice stats, if black, Asian, and Hispanic crime were factored 
out of the equation). I remember as a kid, walking through Central Park
at night, seeing lovers strolling, people enjoying the quiet of the place. 
Try that today Mr. Liberal-fascist (No, on second thought, don't. We wouldn't
want you to get hurt). All of this is due (IMHO) to immigration and liberal 
multiculturalist ideas fostered by people such as yourself.
I just want to fix these problems. To overturn damaging policies which 
never should have been tried in the first place. If this makes me a nasty
racist, I'll cop to it, but don't call me a Nazi just because ONE of Nazi-isms
traits was racism.

George Graves
=================================================================== 
> 
> Mark
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> right through every human heart--and all human hearts."
> 
> -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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Subject: Re: Give me Jews, but Blacks none (on the subway).
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Fran Siegal wrote:
> 
> Fran S wrote:
> 
> > And yes, I'd rather have a well-behaved Black (some do exist) neighbor
> > than a White Trash neighbor.
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What an incredible champion of the obvious this person is!

George Graves
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> >
> > *Trash=Trash of whatever color*
> >    - Einstein, 1914
> 
> In article <30FC1E92.1901@scott.net>, evil Beavis  wrote:
> 
> > I think the issue should be - who would ever want a loser like you for a
> > neighbor?!
> >
> > eB
> 
> Which species of trash are you BOLL WEEVIL Beavis?
> 
> Obviously you fit into the equation Trash=Trash, or your unconsciousness
> would not have quickened you to make such limp statements which are
> supported by neither careful reasoning nor data. Did I hit a sensitive
> spot you piece of shit?
> 
> "Rats and cockroaches have been known to retch in disgust upon the seeing
> that sorriest specimen of human: Boll Weevil Beavis"
> 
> - CURIOSITIES IN ZOOLOGY, Fran Siegal, PhD


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Paul Whitehouse wrote:
> 
> In article <30FAF043.48@aimnet.com>, gmgraves@aimnet.com says...
> 
> >
> >Yes, Mr. Race-Traitor, just as easy as it is to say that they are not.
> >
> >George Graves
> 
>    Your statement was irrelevant, illogical, and totally devoid of any facts
> whatsoever. "Race-traitor" is a fictional term invented by fools who actually
> believed that such a term needed to exist, and all you have actually said in
> your response is "Yes, I cannot prove that these people said that they agree
> with me, but you cannot prove that they didn't." We can only assume that you
> were not telling us the truth, because you have demonstrated absolutely no
> intention whatsoever of even attempting to back up a single claim. Face it;
> you are a loser, and all of your wp freinds are also losers who are deluding
> themselves into believing that they might have a shot in hell at intimidating
> the entire population into bowing to your irrational and unacceptable
> demands. Dream on, sparky!
>                                                              Byte me.

On the contrary. You are irrelenant.

George Graves


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Milton Kleim wrote:
> 
> RICK THOMPSON: TOWARD A NEW HORIZON
> 
> By Milton John Kleim, Jr.
> 
> Rick had no sooner loaded his CAD program on his workstation, than Mr.
> Williams emotionlessly requested he join him in his office upstairs.
> 
> "Rick, I have some rather serious news.  News I'd rather not give a valued
> employee, someone I can call a friend."  Rick needed not hear the rest.
> 
> China Atomic Technology Co. had bought out one of America's oldest heavy
> engineering firms.  In an "organizational restructuring plan," the victims
> of their capitalist conquest were to be he and dozens of other employees,
> replaced by "cost-effective" immigrants.  Malcolm O'Donnell, his colleague
> of three years, was one of the few to survive.  Malcolm, empathizing with
> his friend, told Rick the Taco Amigo where his daughter worked was still
> hiring.
> 
> It was incredible that a skilled, talented man such as he would work at a
> fast-food joint.  But hey, Tracy O'Donnell, barely 16, was spending her
> leisure time helping her family survive.  Her restaurant wasn't an attrac-
> tive place.  And it had been the site of eight food poisoning deaths two
> years ago.  As Rick entered, the unwashed glass doors and filthy floor
> indicated little had changed.
> 
> "Can I take your order, sir?," asked a pretty young lass.
> 
> "May I speak with your manager?"
> 
> "Miss Green, there's man here who needs to speak with you."
> 
> "Kin ah help yoo?"
> 
> "Yes, mam.  I'm seeking employment with your company.  I'd..."
> 
> "Fill out dis application, and will call yoo."
> 
> Miss Green abruptly left the counter, leaving Rick bewildered.
> 
> Saturday evening's weekly grocery run let Rick bump into Jen's close
> friend at Juan & Heidi's Family Foods.  It was Easter the last time they
> saw each other. He smiled, and greeted her.  Stephanie seemed troubled, as
> they talked for a few minutes.  Once she was certain he didn't already
> know, she spilt it out.
> 
> "I hate to be the one, Rick."
> 
> "The one to do what?"
> 
> "Jen's pregnant.  I know what you went through.  I didn't want to have to
> tell you, but I thought you should know."
> 
> His face grew bright red, as his stomach churned and his heart sank.  He
> knew it would have been -- _should_ have been -- his child Jen was carry-
> ing.  Stephanie explained that "certified pregnancy" between an inter-
> cultural couple qualified the expectant mother for the tax-free grant
> under the Feld Act.
> 
> After a minute, Rick regained composure.  Sensing his tattered feelings,
> Steph gave Rick a warm hug, and departed.
> 
> Rick, the ever proud, independent man, swallowed his pride, and called up
> his father's sister around 10, inquiring about employment opportunities
> she might know of.  He didn't qualify for unemployment, since his income
> had been well above the new qualification limits, and he knew he better
> find some positive cash flow quickly.
> 
> To his astonishment, _she_ had one.  She could use some help with her
> enterprise.
> 
> Aunt Laurie ran a cottage industry in her home, making clothes, curtains,
> and other items.  Her descriptions made it sound like she was doing fairly
> well.  Certainly her textiles were finer quality than the junk one found
> in every discount outlet.  Rick wasn't too concerned with his duties,
> either.  The prospect of working for someone like Amigo's manager wasn't a
> pleasant thought.
> 
> The dinner with Laurie and her boyfriend William was more a party than a
> supper.  It followed another day of deliveries and pickups, mostly to and
> from kind and grateful older ladies and young mothers, each of whom he
> always looked forward to seeing over the previous months.  The three
> shared quirks of the business and their appreciation of the customers'
> tales.  Rick thrice extended his feelings of sincere gratitude during the
> merriment for all Laurie's generosity, something she just graciously
> dispensed with.  He _was_ family, after all.
> 
> The high-spirited mood of the evening came to an abrupt end.  Bill,
> wishing to relax after a hearty meal, made the mistake of flipping on the
> television, something Rick rarely did.
> 
> CNN was reporting on the much-touted commemoration festivities earlier in
> the day.
> 
> October 3rd, 2010, was the 5th anniversary of the Pacific Cultural
> Exchange Agreement.  Sacramento was hosting the festivities, with dozens
> of national personalities and thousands of ordinary citizens in
> attendance.
> 
> Lauding the Agreement, which eliminated all restrictions on immigration
> between the United States and China, was Governor Jim Wong, addressing an
> audience of several thousand, on Capitol Mall.  Following him was Ralph
> Washington, America's first openly gay vice-president.  Those gathered, as
> well as viewers across the Nation, were enlightened to the economic
> benefits and luminous cultural diversity the Agreement facilitated not
> only on the West Coast, but throughout the USA.
> 
> Laurie and Bill asked Rick if he wished to spend the night.  Rick said he
> would prefer to be home.  It would comfort him.
> 
> Rick had finally managed to stablize his finances after unsettling weeks
> of monetary insecurity.  Though he was earning substantially less than at
> B & W, his job satisfaction helped him to do without luxuries previously
> thought necessary.  He was delighted to call on Laurie's customers, whole-
> some, decent people, whose friendship contented him.  One of his favorites
> was Fran Schmit, whose house he was cruising toward.
> 
> Shortly before he arrived, a newsbrief came over the radio.  For a few
> seconds, thoughts of his boyhood home came to mind.  Happy, harmonious Eau
> Claire.  But then his fond memories faded.
> 
> A school bus was caught in the fire of a turf war.  One trio of hoodlums
> set up an ambush, opening up with an old M-60 machine gun at the approach-
> ing rivals.  The yellow transport had turned the corner at the wrong time.
> Four third and fourth graders dead, ten wounded, two seriously.
> 
> Little Rickie's Eau Claire was a peaceful place, safe to play, safe to
> walk, a virtual heaven hidden in western Wisconsin, so far away from the
> Hell-holes of Los Angeles and Miami.  The vignettes of brutal existence
> seen in the mass media about California and Florida had little relevance to
> the Thompsons at the time.
> 
> That had all changed.  25 years ago Eau Claire had no poverty-stricken
> underclass.  Now it did.
> 
> Rick's parents moved away from their native city a few years back, just
> before they both had passed on, north a ways to a small town called
> Spooner.  After Fred Thompson had retired from UW-Eau Claire, he and Jean
> escaped the rising crime and decay of their hometown, and said goodbye
> after over six decades of residence.
> 
> The younger Thompson had watched with melancholy President Bloomfield's
> inaugural address the year previous.  The President had expounded upon the
> tidal wave of diversity across America, due in large part to the Pacific
> Agreement and relaxed immigration regulations for neighboring countries.
> The Nation's leader showcased two communities, one in Rick's home state,
> Wausau, and Helena, Montana, and urged Americans to celebrate the rapid
> social changes in America, holding up Wausau and Helena as ideal commun-
> ities.
> 
> Wausau, Helena, and of course Eau Claire had undergone massive trans-
> formation in three decades.  Once "lily white" monocultural bastions, they
> had been metamorphosed into multicultural communities.  Most areas of the
> "Great White North" had achieved the levels of diversity desired by
> America's visionaries by 2007; by 2010, only a few areas, the extreme
> Upper Midwest and isolated pockets in the Rockies and Appalachia, had
> white populations above 50%.  Everywhere else people of color had con-
> tributed their presence in greater numbers.
> 
> His reflections depressed him.  Almost as deeply as that day when Mrs .
> Sundgren told Rick his ex-lover's father, Al, had fatally shot himself.
> Al, whom Rick considered a second father, had been overwhelmed with despair.
> He couldn't bear his own father's suffering, and Jen's solution to a
> hopeless dilemma pushed him to emotional collapse.
> 
> Rick's recent tragedies and repetitive sad tidings gnawed away at him.
> 
> The '99 Ford had broken down two days earlier, and Rick had to take the
> bus to Laurie's.  Surprisingly, the cabin was lonely, he, the driver, and
> a scruffy middle-aged man across the aisle.  The man's jacket arose
> curiosity.
> 
> "Morning.  You were in the military?"
> 
> "Yeah.  Marines.  Gulf War."
> 
> "Why do you wear the flag upside down?"
> 
> "You are mighty nosy, young man," the man said to Rick, a mere 7 years
> younger than he.
> 
> "Forgive me, sir.  I'm just curious."
> 
> "Well, if you must know, it represents my perception of America.  An upside-
> down flag means we're in dire straits."
> 
> "Yeah, I know things are bad.  I lost my job a while back.  My car's on
> the blink, and I can't afford to fix it 'til next week.  Crime everywhere.
> But, you don't agree with the extremists, do you?"
> 
> "Young man, I fought for my country.  It sold me out.  More properly,
> it's 'leaders' sold me out.  I tried to fight for my country again, and
> earned five years in the joint."
> 
> Rick became tense, as the man went on.
> 
> "Remember the roundups of anti-government people following the 225th
> anniversary of the American Revolution?  Well, I was a member of one of
> the 'illegal' organizations on the hit list.  Didn't get a trial, just a
> ticket to Leavenworth for 'sedition'."
> 
> "Why did you try to fight the government?  Don't you believe in democracy?"
> 
> "Because, young man, there's a motto I lived by.  Something America's
> Founders would have believed in.  A maxim, if practiced, would have made a
> difference in the '90s."
> 
> "If I may ask, what is it?  What was your motto?"
> 
> "Seeing the need, we assume the responsibility."

An interesting soap opera. The liberals here-about will love it, for it
mirrors an image of America near and dear to their hearts.  This is 
what they are all fighting for tooth-and-nail. I sure wish I could be
here to see the looks on their faces when they get what they want, 
and find out that in spite of their "enlightenend liberalism" (whatever
that means) they find themselves being labled enemies of the people,
and are dealt with acordingly. 

George Graves


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Mike Jones wrote:
> 
> In <4dhjq7$qj5@amhux3.amherst.edu> jaklein@unix.amherst.edu (Josh Klein)
> writes:
> 
> >
> >George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> >
> >> David [Dragon] Fiedler wrote:
> >> > And it's pretty idiotic to think that someone's religion would have
> anything
> >> > to do with their views on Internet censorship...especially Jews,
> who are
> >> > taught to question everything, even their own leaders.
> >> >
> >> > David (Dragon) Fiedler
> >
> >> I'm not talking about religion, I don't care about someone's
> religious beliefs,
> >> I'm talking about the seed of Abraham.
> >
> >Oh.  You think that genetics plays more of a role in determining
> people's
> >attitudes towards censorship?  On which chromosome, exactly, is
> >the censorship gene located?
=================================================================
You jump to conclusions kid. Association, not genetics.

George Graves
=================================================================
> >
> >--
> >Josh Klein
> >Amherst College
> >
> 
> Dear Josh, right next to the Collective Victimization gene.......Mike
> 
> 'History needs no law to protect it and no one to protect us from it.'
>                                                          MDJ


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Apuleius wrote:
> =

> kevboy@ra.isisnet.com (Kevin Wayte) wrote to  and
> alt.politics.homosexuality:
> =

> =BB=BB>  Rush could lose 50 lbs with the Ultra Slim Fast plan -but- they =
don't
> =BB=BB>sponsor his show which means their part of the liberal media.
> =

> =BB=BBWhy is Rush so fat?
> =

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upsetting liberals is SELF PROMOTION, and he's made a fortune from it!

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From: George Graves 
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James White wrote:
> 
> On Jan 18, 1996 01:20:04 in article ,
> 'potato@stlnet.com (Frank Weltner)' wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >An age-old story. Our civilization is doomed if this continues. We must
> >take a stand and say no more. It is finished. We will protect ourselves
> >from now on. Period.
> 
> 
> Spoken like a tried and true member of the KKK.  This is exactly their
> line.  They then go on to say: "There is nothing left for whites to do
> except join the race war which has been underway for years now but whites
> were too duped by liberals to understand it".  BTW this would be the second
> race war because whites waged the first race war against Native Americans.
> You know Weltner you match the KKK line so often on things that you must be
> a KKKer.  This is your kinder and gentler way.  Germans do not belong in
> the sewer you belong in the sewer.

> James W. White

White, all this proves is that Mr. Weltner (like the rest of us -you too) reads
to reinforce his predjudices, and that he retains what he reads. By what
magic do you translate this into an admission or proof of KKK membership?

George Graves


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Fresh816 wrote:
> 
> Still, George, us conspiratorial Jews were given voting rights with the
> rest of the white boys in 1787 when James Madison (aka Jacob Madistein)
> completed and presented the Constitution.  Voting for Jewish men has NEVER
> been an issue in the US of A.


Jacob Madisein, that's funny.

George Graves


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Fresh816 wrote:
> 
> Still, George, us conspiratorial Jews were given voting rights with the
> rest of the white boys in 1787 when James Madison (aka Jacob Madistein)
> completed and presented the Constitution.  Voting for Jewish men has NEVER
> been an issue in the US of A.


Jacob Madistein, that's funny.

George Graves


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KPhilby wrote:
> 
> Oh Boy! Spelling lessons!!!
> You know what they say; "Put a thousand monkeys in room full
> of VT 100 terminals and sooner or later you'll get a post from Caesar."
> Anyways, thaks fur de speling lessin Seazer! Nows that I kin spel
> "loser" I'll be the pryde of Malcom X Cumminity Kollege here in Kompton.
> 
> Comrade Kim Philby
> 
> "BOOM,THUD,BOOM,BOOM,THUD"-Any car full of blacks
> passing your house at two in the morning.


These guys have never heard of typographical errors. They certainly
can't tell the difference between a typo and an actual misspelling. 
Hell, my typing is so bad, I often mistype my own name!

George Graves


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Fresh816 wrote:
> 
> Georgie-Porgie,
> 
> My bigotry is political.  It is against people who willingly choose to be
> what they are, who they are.
> 
> Your bigotry is racial, ethnic, etc.  You hate people based on their
> involuntary membership to specific racial or ethnic groups.
> 
> I am an activist.
> 
> You are  a racist.
> 
> Get the picture?
> 
> And, yes, we do have dossiers on y'all, but they're not private.   They're
> on file at Nizkor for anyone to see.  I contribute when I can.  Why?
> Because I don't like you, frankly, if I can get rid of you through legal
> means, I will.
> 
> My weasels rend your flesh,
> Andrew
> 
> Never strike first, but always strike BACK.
> If they send you to the hospital, send them to the morgue.

Again, I ask. What gives your 'Political Bigotry' any moral high ground?
What makes Political Bigotry any better than "racial, ethinic" bigotry?
We are all activists in our respective causes. GET THE PICTURE?

If you don't like me, fine (I'm really all broken-up about that). I, on 
the other hand, have made no such decision about you because I do
not know you. But then, I'm not predjudiced.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Mr Richard Ethan Latker wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : And you are a traitor to your people. You are helping to wipe out
> : civilisation as we know it.
> 
> George, I've really, really tried to take your concerns about social
> degradation and your mistrust of Jews seriously. I've always thought your
> idea were about some mysterious Jewish cabal with evil designs on society

Deleted for brevity.
> 
> I don't think you're a fraud, George. I think you are an honestly deluded
> person who is afraid of what he sees and downright terrified of the
> future. You need someone to blame, and the Jews, the traditional target,
> suffice nicely. I find it very, very sad.
> 
> RL

Thank you for your comments. I will formulate an answer and post it anon.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Harry Katz wrote:
> 
> Fresh816 wrote:
> 
>         Offer some proof for this World Zionist Conspiracy...
>         or shut the fuck up.
> 
> In article <30F85AEC.2265@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) whines:
> 
>         I'll shut the fuck up only if you think you can force me or
>         anybody else on this NG to shut up.
> 
> What a short memory Mr. Graves has!  Not so long ago he was telling
> me to "shut up" in this newsgroup as if he owned it.
> 
> --
> Harry Katz
> 
> Do not blame in others your own faults.
>         -- The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.

I NEVER told you to shut up. You either can't read, or you are a liar.
Which is it? I DID OTOH, "suggest" that if you didn't like what I and
others like me were saying, that you were free to go elsewhere. THAT,
Mr. Katz, is a long way from telling you to "shut up".

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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Josh Klein wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> > Josh Klein wrote:
> 
> > > How's this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
> > > created equal..."
> 
> > You know and I know that Jefferson and the rest of Founding Fathers
> > were NOT saying that all men are born with either equal intellects
> > or equal abilities, but that they should be considered equal UNDER
> > THE LAW. Besides, they weren't talking about non-whites in any
> > case. Blacks were chattel, property, not free men. As such they
> > were not covered in the original Constitution. It was not until the
> > 13th Amendment that this issue was redressed.
> 
> Not quite, George.  In the first place, Jefferson's belief is not
> merely that all men should be regarded as equal in under temporal
> law; what he actually believs is that all men are endowed by their
> creator with unalienable rights -- that is, rights which are
> possessed due to the nature of man himself.  In other words, all men
> are created equal in terms of their God-given right to self-government.
> Abraham Lincoln had a good grasp of this distinction in his famous
> comment (I will paraphrase somewhat) that "The negro may not be
> my equal in color or in intellect, but in his right to eat with his
> own mouth the product of his own labor, he is the equal of myself or
> of any other man."  Lincoln's now offensive comments about black
> inferiority notwithstanding, this statement shows a distictiion that
> you have glossed over.
> 
> In the second place, your claim that Jefferson was not referring here
> to non-whites begs the question.  That very issue was contentiously
> debated in American politics for over 100 years following the signing
> of the Declaration.  Once again, we know how Lincoln felt -- that
> the Constitution was no more than a legal document, unable by itsellf
> to furnish the philosophical grounding for a Republic.  Lincoln
> found a grave contradiction between the ideals of the Declaration and
> the concessions to slaveholders in the Constitution.  In this matter,
> however, he was not alone.  Jefferson, too, the major author of the
> Declaration, realized that slavery was inimical to democratic
> institutions, and said, "indeed, I tremble for our country when I
> realize that God is just."
> 
> --
> Josh Klein
> Amherst College


All of what you say is true, however, it does not alter the fact that 
Constitutional equality does not equal racial equality, or even equality
amongst brothers. That type of equality is a myth, and using that famous
passage in the U.S. Constitution to pretend that absolute equality between
men is a possible or even a laudable goal, is the act of a scoundrel. I was
merely pointing this out.


George Graves


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Milton Kleim wrote:
> 
> RICK THOMPSON: TOWARD A NEW HORIZON
> 
> By Milton John Kleim, Jr.
> 
> Rick had no sooner loaded his CAD program on his workstation, than Mr.
> Williams emotionlessly requested he join him in his office upstairs.
> 
> "Rick, I have some rather serious news.  News I'd rather not give a valued
> employee, someone I can call a friend."  Rick needed not hear the rest.
> 
> China Atomic Technology Co. had bought out one of America's oldest heavy
> engineering firms.  In an "organizational restructuring plan," the victims
> of their capitalist conquest were to be he and dozens of other employees,
> replaced by "cost-effective" immigrants.  Malcolm O'Donnell, his colleague
> of three years, was one of the few to survive.  Malcolm, empathizing with
> his friend, told Rick the Taco Amigo where his daughter worked was still
> hiring.
> 
> It was incredible that a skilled, talented man such as he would work at a
> fast-food joint.  But hey, Tracy O'Donnell, barely 16, was spending her
> leisure time helping her family survive.  Her restaurant wasn't an attrac-
> tive place.  And it had been the site of eight food poisoning deaths two
> years ago.  As Rick entered, the unwashed glass doors and filthy floor
> indicated little had changed.
> 
> "Can I take your order, sir?," asked a pretty young lass.
> 
> "May I speak with your manager?"
> 
> "Miss Green, there's man here who needs to speak with you."
> 
> "Kin ah help yoo?"
> 
> "Yes, mam.  I'm seeking employment with your company.  I'd..."
> 
> "Fill out dis application, and will call yoo."
> 
> Miss Green abruptly left the counter, leaving Rick bewildered.
> 
> Saturday evening's weekly grocery run let Rick bump into Jen's close
> friend at Juan & Heidi's Family Foods.  It was Easter the last time they
> saw each other. He smiled, and greeted her.  Stephanie seemed troubled, as
> they talked for a few minutes.  Once she was certain he didn't already
> know, she spilt it out.
> 
> "I hate to be the one, Rick."
> 
> "The one to do what?"
> 
> "Jen's pregnant.  I know what you went through.  I didn't want to have to
> tell you, but I thought you should know."
> 
> His face grew bright red, as his stomach churned and his heart sank.  He
> knew it would have been -- _should_ have been -- his child Jen was carry-
> ing.  Stephanie explained that "certified pregnancy" between an inter-
> cultural couple qualified the expectant mother for the tax-free grant
> under the Feld Act.
> 
> After a minute, Rick regained composure.  Sensing his tattered feelings,
> Steph gave Rick a warm hug, and departed.
> 
> Rick, the ever proud, independent man, swallowed his pride, and called up
> his father's sister around 10, inquiring about employment opportunities
> she might know of.  He didn't qualify for unemployment, since his income
> had been well above the new qualification limits, and he knew he better
> find some positive cash flow quickly.
> 
> To his astonishment, _she_ had one.  She could use some help with her
> enterprise.
> 
> Aunt Laurie ran a cottage industry in her home, making clothes, curtains,
> and other items.  Her descriptions made it sound like she was doing fairly
> well.  Certainly her textiles were finer quality than the junk one found
> in every discount outlet.  Rick wasn't too concerned with his duties,
> either.  The prospect of working for someone like Amigo's manager wasn't a
> pleasant thought.
> 
> The dinner with Laurie and her boyfriend William was more a party than a
> supper.  It followed another day of deliveries and pickups, mostly to and
> from kind and grateful older ladies and young mothers, each of whom he
> always looked forward to seeing over the previous months.  The three
> shared quirks of the business and their appreciation of the customers'
> tales.  Rick thrice extended his feelings of sincere gratitude during the
> merriment for all Laurie's generosity, something she just graciously
> dispensed with.  He _was_ family, after all.
> 
> The high-spirited mood of the evening came to an abrupt end.  Bill,
> wishing to relax after a hearty meal, made the mistake of flipping on the
> television, something Rick rarely did.
> 
> CNN was reporting on the much-touted commemoration festivities earlier in
> the day.
> 
> October 3rd, 2010, was the 5th anniversary of the Pacific Cultural
> Exchange Agreement.  Sacramento was hosting the festivities, with dozens
> of national personalities and thousands of ordinary citizens in
> attendance.
> 
> Lauding the Agreement, which eliminated all restrictions on immigration
> between the United States and China, was Governor Jim Wong, addressing an
> audience of several thousand, on Capitol Mall.  Following him was Ralph
> Washington, America's first openly gay vice-president.  Those gathered, as
> well as viewers across the Nation, were enlightened to the economic
> benefits and luminous cultural diversity the Agreement facilitated not
> only on the West Coast, but throughout the USA.
> 
> Laurie and Bill asked Rick if he wished to spend the night.  Rick said he
> would prefer to be home.  It would comfort him.
> 
> Rick had finally managed to stablize his finances after unsettling weeks
> of monetary insecurity.  Though he was earning substantially less than at
> B & W, his job satisfaction helped him to do without luxuries previously
> thought necessary.  He was delighted to call on Laurie's customers, whole-
> some, decent people, whose friendship contented him.  One of his favorites
> was Fran Schmit, whose house he was cruising toward.
> 
> Shortly before he arrived, a newsbrief came over the radio.  For a few
> seconds, thoughts of his boyhood home came to mind.  Happy, harmonious Eau
> Claire.  But then his fond memories faded.
> 
> A school bus was caught in the fire of a turf war.  One trio of hoodlums
> set up an ambush, opening up with an old M-60 machine gun at the approach-
> ing rivals.  The yellow transport had turned the corner at the wrong time.
> Four third and fourth graders dead, ten wounded, two seriously.
> 
> Little Rickie's Eau Claire was a peaceful place, safe to play, safe to
> walk, a virtual heaven hidden in western Wisconsin, so far away from the
> Hell-holes of Los Angeles and Miami.  The vignettes of brutal existence
> seen in the mass media about California and Florida had little relevance to
> the Thompsons at the time.
> 
> That had all changed.  25 years ago Eau Claire had no poverty-stricken
> underclass.  Now it did.
> 
> Rick's parents moved away from their native city a few years back, just
> before they both had passed on, north a ways to a small town called
> Spooner.  After Fred Thompson had retired from UW-Eau Claire, he and Jean
> escaped the rising crime and decay of their hometown, and said goodbye
> after over six decades of residence.
> 
> The younger Thompson had watched with melancholy President Bloomfield's
> inaugural address the year previous.  The President had expounded upon the
> tidal wave of diversity across America, due in large part to the Pacific
> Agreement and relaxed immigration regulations for neighboring countries.
> The Nation's leader showcased two communities, one in Rick's home state,
> Wausau, and Helena, Montana, and urged Americans to celebrate the rapid
> social changes in America, holding up Wausau and Helena as ideal commun-
> ities.
> 
> Wausau, Helena, and of course Eau Claire had undergone massive trans-
> formation in three decades.  Once "lily white" monocultural bastions, they
> had been metamorphosed into multicultural communities.  Most areas of the
> "Great White North" had achieved the levels of diversity desired by
> America's visionaries by 2007; by 2010, only a few areas, the extreme
> Upper Midwest and isolated pockets in the Rockies and Appalachia, had
> white populations above 50%.  Everywhere else people of color had con-
> tributed their presence in greater numbers.
> 
> His reflections depressed him.  Almost as deeply as that day when Mrs .
> Sundgren told Rick his ex-lover's father, Al, had fatally shot himself.
> Al, whom Rick considered a second father, had been overwhelmed with despair.
> He couldn't bear his own father's suffering, and Jen's solution to a
> hopeless dilemma pushed him to emotional collapse.
> 
> Rick's recent tragedies and repetitive sad tidings gnawed away at him.
> 
> The '99 Ford had broken down two days earlier, and Rick had to take the
> bus to Laurie's.  Surprisingly, the cabin was lonely, he, the driver, and
> a scruffy middle-aged man across the aisle.  The man's jacket arose
> curiosity.
> 
> "Morning.  You were in the military?"
> 
> "Yeah.  Marines.  Gulf War."
> 
> "Why do you wear the flag upside down?"
> 
> "You are mighty nosy, young man," the man said to Rick, a mere 7 years
> younger than he.
> 
> "Forgive me, sir.  I'm just curious."
> 
> "Well, if you must know, it represents my perception of America.  An upside-
> down flag means we're in dire straits."
> 
> "Yeah, I know things are bad.  I lost my job a while back.  My car's on
> the blink, and I can't afford to fix it 'til next week.  Crime everywhere.
> But, you don't agree with the extremists, do you?"
> 
> "Young man, I fought for my country.  It sold me out.  More properly,
> it's 'leaders' sold me out.  I tried to fight for my country again, and
> earned five years in the joint."
> 
> Rick became tense, as the man went on.
> 
> "Remember the roundups of anti-government people following the 225th
> anniversary of the American Revolution?  Well, I was a member of one of
> the 'illegal' organizations on the hit list.  Didn't get a trial, just a
> ticket to Leavenworth for 'sedition'."
> 
> "Why did you try to fight the government?  Don't you believe in democracy?"
> 
> "Because, young man, there's a motto I lived by.  Something America's
> Founders would have believed in.  A maxim, if practiced, would have made a
> difference in the '90s."
> 
> "If I may ask, what is it?  What was your motto?"
> 
> "Seeing the need, we assume the responsibility."

An interesting soap opera. The liberals here-about will love it, for it
mirrors an image of America near and dear to their hearts.  This is 
what they are all fighting for tooth-and-nail. I sure wish I could be
here to see the looks on their faces when they get what they want, 
and find out that in spite of their "enlightenend liberalism" (whatever
that means) they find themselves being labled enemies of the people,
and are dealt with acordingly. 

George Graves


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <30FEDF3C.A0@aimnet.com>, George Graves  wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > And you are a traitor to your people. You are helping to wipe out
> > civilisation as we know it.
> 
> More like "civilisation" (sic) as _you_ fantasize it. (Deja vu ala the
> Third Reich.) "We" destroyed it once, and if necessary I'm sure "we" will
> destroy it again. This is good, as _your_ "civilisation" (sic) has no
> place in the _civilized_ world.
==================================================================
BTW, "civilisation" is an alternate spelling, not an incorrect one. I went
to school for many years in Bermuda, and the British spelling was drilled
into me.
===================================================================
> 
> > What I want to know is why?
> 
> Because _your_ fantasy "civilisation" (sic) is sick and perverted. Just
> like the Nazis were sick and perverted. Once is enough, thank you.
====================================================================
Yes I agree that Nazis were sick and perverted, I've always said so. What's
your point?
===================================================================
> 
> > Why would you align yourself with the forces of destruction?
> 
> Because those "forces" are comprised of a great many good people who hold
> the ideas this country was founded on in their hearts. (e.g. Enlightened
> liberalism and justice, various natural rights like freedom and equality,
> etc.)  I'd like to consider myself one of those people.
===================================================================
ENLIGHTENED LIBERALISM? How do yo define that? And how does it differ
>from  the type of liberalism now being practised in this country which is
anything but enlightened?
===================================================================
> 
> This of course is diametrically opposite of what some people would like to
> have. Too bad for them, 'cause they ain't gonna have _their_ way if I can
> help it.
> 
> > Are you nuts?
> 
> No, Graves, Gord isn't the one who is nuts. You are. You are quite far
> around the bend with your pathetic racial hatreds. What a sad existance
> you must lead....
> 
> > ...where did you get these idiotic ideas about all people being equal?
> 
> How about the Declaration of Independance? You know:
> 
> "WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal,
> that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
> among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure
> these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just
> Powers from the Consent of the Governed..."
===================================================================
I think that passage is quite clear. Our Founding Fathers were saying that
all men are created equal UNDER THE LAW. It doesn't say anywhere that 
all men have equal abilities or equal intellects. This is a modern liberal
idea formulated by you liberal fascists, its called hyperegalitarianism,
and its wrong.
====================================================================
> 
> Or don't you subscribe to such a philosophy? (That's a rhetorical
> question, Graves. The answer is self-evident from your ravings.)
> 
> > Why would a sane man, living in a free country with
> > his rights guaranteed by an inviolate Constitution be willing to throw all
> > of that away and take a chance on some world government scheme which
> > guarantees you nothing in the way of rights?
> 
> And since when does our pluralistic society require this? What a bizzare
> notion. Been sneaking into the cooking sherry again, Graves?
====================================================================
That is what all of you liberal fascists, Jews, and multiculturalists are
working toward, is it not? One world with a one world government?
==================================================================== 
> 
> > If you think that I'm a fraud, then you won't be wasting any more of
> your precious time on me, then will you?
> 
> On the contrary. It is _because_ you are a fraud and a bigot and, most
> especially, espouse sick and perverted ideas that you will _always_ be
> opposed.
> 
> Better get used to it, Nazi-boy.
====================================================================
Once again Mr. Van Alstine, I am not a Nazi. I do not believe in National
Socialism (or any other kind of socialism for that matter, unlike you and
your fellow travelers). I do not believe in killing people. I do not believe
in denying anyone their rights or in having mine abrogated (again, unlike 
some of your fellow travelers). I believe in a free country for whites, 
where Jews have not the power to carry out their subrosa machinations. 
No one needs to be killed for this to happen. Jews only need to be exposed
and nonwhites repatriated. I also believe that this country already exists
and is called the United States of America. A country which used to 
be the most powerful country on earth, with the highest standard of living
for its citizens. A country hewn from a wilderness by white people using
only the sweat of their brows, and the power of their intellect.
That country is, in my opinion, in grave perile. As the mix of population
shifts away from predominately white, we have become weak and no longer
have the highest standard of living in the world. Americans have lost 20%
of their buying power since 1976 (even after adjusting for inflation). Crime
is among the highest in the world (and would be the lowest, according to
Dept. of Justice stats, if black, Asian, and Hispanic crime were factored 
out of the equation). I remember as a kid, walking through Central Park
at night, seeing lovers strolling, people enjoying the quiet of the place. 
Try that today Mr. Liberal-fascist (No, on second thought, don't. We wouldn't
want you to get hurt). All of this is due (IMHO) to immigration and liberal 
multiculturalist ideas fostered by people such as yourself.
I just want to fix these problems. To overturn damaging policies which 
never should have been tried in the first place. If this makes me a nasty
racist, I'll cop to it, but don't call me a Nazi just because ONE of Nazi-isms
traits was racism.

George Graves
=================================================================== 
> 
> Mark
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> right through every human heart--and all human hearts."
> 
> -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
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From gmgraves@aimnet.com Mon Jan 22 11:00:56 PST 1996
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Fresh816 wrote:
> 
> Still, George, us conspiratorial Jews were given voting rights with the
> rest of the white boys in 1787 when James Madison (aka Jacob Madistein)
> completed and presented the Constitution.  Voting for Jewish men has NEVER
> been an issue in the US of A.


Jacob Madisein, that's funny.

George Graves


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Fresh816 wrote:
> 
> Still, George, us conspiratorial Jews were given voting rights with the
> rest of the white boys in 1787 when James Madison (aka Jacob Madistein)
> completed and presented the Constitution.  Voting for Jewish men has NEVER
> been an issue in the US of A.


Jacob Madistein, that's funny.

George Graves


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Josh Klein wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> > Josh Klein wrote:
> 
> > > How's this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
> > > created equal..."
> 
> > You know and I know that Jefferson and the rest of Founding Fathers
> > were NOT saying that all men are born with either equal intellects
> > or equal abilities, but that they should be considered equal UNDER
> > THE LAW. Besides, they weren't talking about non-whites in any
> > case. Blacks were chattel, property, not free men. As such they
> > were not covered in the original Constitution. It was not until the
> > 13th Amendment that this issue was redressed.
> 
> Not quite, George.  In the first place, Jefferson's belief is not
> merely that all men should be regarded as equal in under temporal
> law; what he actually believs is that all men are endowed by their
> creator with unalienable rights -- that is, rights which are
> possessed due to the nature of man himself.  In other words, all men
> are created equal in terms of their God-given right to self-government.
> Abraham Lincoln had a good grasp of this distinction in his famous
> comment (I will paraphrase somewhat) that "The negro may not be
> my equal in color or in intellect, but in his right to eat with his
> own mouth the product of his own labor, he is the equal of myself or
> of any other man."  Lincoln's now offensive comments about black
> inferiority notwithstanding, this statement shows a distictiion that
> you have glossed over.
> 
> In the second place, your claim that Jefferson was not referring here
> to non-whites begs the question.  That very issue was contentiously
> debated in American politics for over 100 years following the signing
> of the Declaration.  Once again, we know how Lincoln felt -- that
> the Constitution was no more than a legal document, unable by itsellf
> to furnish the philosophical grounding for a Republic.  Lincoln
> found a grave contradiction between the ideals of the Declaration and
> the concessions to slaveholders in the Constitution.  In this matter,
> however, he was not alone.  Jefferson, too, the major author of the
> Declaration, realized that slavery was inimical to democratic
> institutions, and said, "indeed, I tremble for our country when I
> realize that God is just."
> 
> --
> Josh Klein
> Amherst College


All of what you say is true, however, it does not alter the fact that 
Constitutional equality does not equal racial equality, or even equality
amongst brothers. That type of equality is a myth, and using that famous
passage in the U.S. Constitution to pretend that absolute equality between
men is a possible or even a laudable goal, is the act of a scoundrel. I was
merely pointing this out.


George Graves


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Apuleius wrote:
> =

> kevboy@ra.isisnet.com (Kevin Wayte) wrote to  and
> alt.politics.homosexuality:
> =

> =BB=BB>  Rush could lose 50 lbs with the Ultra Slim Fast plan -but- they =
don't
> =BB=BB>sponsor his show which means their part of the liberal media.
> =

> =BB=BBWhy is Rush so fat?
> =

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Caesar wrote:
> 
> In article <30FE4D43.49AB@aimnet.com> gmgraves@aimnet.com "George Graves" writes:
> 
> >
> > Your side against all who do not cow to you.
> > The penalty for non compliance to your New World Order will be death.
> 
> A bit like the penalty Nazis gave for people who disagreed with
> them.
> 
> --
> 
> Caesar
> 
> --
Very much the same. He who is on top, makes the rules for the rest.

George Graves


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MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
> 
Deleted for brevity

> There's also the point that there is some evidence that Lincoln, like many
> of the people of his time, believed in a hierarchical definition of racial
> groups with, of course, blacks on the bottom, a widespread belief at the
> time even among liberals.
> 
> What differentiates people like Lincoln (and people like him) from your
> average racist is that they believed that yes, there were racial differences
> but they were unimportant in the grand scheme of things.  Everyone deserved
> the same opportunities and the right to succeed as much as they are capable
> of.  If you insist that because such-and-such a group on average are dumber
> or smaller or whatever and thus you are justified in denying them some right
> you deny the rights of any member of that group who is more intelligent and
> capable of rising above the rest of his peers.
> 
> This is a point that racists may not want to consider.  Say they are right.
> Say that blacks are less intelligent.  What do you want to do about it?  The
> fact that there are black scientists and educators and intellectuals clearly
> indicates that members of the black population are just as capable as any
> white or asian or whoever.  This alone means they should be given the same
> opportunities.  Thus any discriminatory action means that you have denied
> someone from achieving their true capabilities.  The average of the many
> does not justify denying the rights of the one.
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison
> t08o@unb.ca

I'm all in favor of giving them the same opportunities, in fact, I believe
they have them already. All that they have to do is take advantage of them.
But, if we did REALLY level the playing field (no defferential treatment
for anyone, a pure meritocracy), and the blacks still failed, what would we
do then?

George Graves


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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> In <31018B0D.1082@aimnet.com>, gmgraves@aimnet.com said:
> 
> >Bronstein, don't be so stupid. EVERYBODY above the age of ten knows that
> >Jews are a Race, a Culture and a religion. Otherwise people would be
> >saying "Funny you don't look Catholic." or "Funny you don't look baptist."
> >But they don't. People do say "He looks Jewish". If Jews aren't a race,
> >then why did Cecil B. DeMille (a half Jew) write a letter to his sister,
> >the famous dance choreographer, Katherine DeMille, scolding her for having
> >her picture taken in profile for "Life" magazine, saying: "Don't you ever
> >pose in profile for a picture again, you look too Jewish!"
> 
> That still dodges the question.  What are the racial characteristics of the
> Jewish "race"?  Not Hollywood stereotypes, racial characteristics.
> 

Then you admit that there are "Hollywood" stereotypes. That means
that you know a jew when you see one. see, that wasn't so hard, now
was it?

George Graves


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> In article <31026CFA.78B0@aimnet.com> George Graves  writes:
> 
> >These guys have never heard of typographical errors. They certainly
> >can't tell the difference between a typo and an actual misspelling.
> >Hell, my typing is so bad, I often mistype my own name!
> 
> And, Georgie, if that were your worst flaw, you'd be a fine human being.
> Alas...

Actually, it is my worst flaw!

George Graves


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MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
> 
> In article <4dupr8$rhh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Robert Hawkins  writes:
> 
> >We non-Jews don't really know what Jews believe or think.  Don't
> >most Jews still think that they are the "chosen people"?
> >Unfortunately, Jews are too devious and deceitful to reveal
> >what they think and believe.  I find their pushy, overbearing,
> >obnoxious behaviour disgusting.
> 
> Like Republicans you mean?  Or the Christian Coalition?  Ross Perot?  Rush
> (who couldn't rush if his life depended on it) Limbaugh?
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison
> t08o@unb.ca

Oh so you're a democrat, Morrison! One of those people, who have, in
their 40 years of Congressional Stewardship for this country, almost
completely destroyed it with stupid social programs which have
literally thrown away TRILLIONS of dollars with no results except
to leave us almost bankrupt. The party which has given us the 
dumbest immigration policy ON EARTH, one which pours millions
of un-needed new people into our midst every year, straining our
already overtaxed infrastructure to the breaking point. The party 
under which the average American has seen his standard of living 
erode by twenty percent in one generation, making us the first 
Americans in history to give our children, as a legacy, lower 
expectations than those we got from our parents. Great track record.
I'd sure be proud of it were I you, boy, wow!

George Graves


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Wandering wrote:
> 
> RC Richards (xyz@scsn.net) wrote:
> 
> : you'd probably be surprised, JACKASS, by the degrees we have--and some
> : of us have more than one.  and you know, you've kind of showed your
> : ignorance, IDJIT, in your post by misspelling  _carolinian_.
> 
> Oopsie, you forgot to capitalize "Carolinian". I guess your degrees don't
> include English grammar, or public speaking -- I've never known anyone to
> use as many personal insults as you do when trying to make a point. Did you
> know that such behavior makes you look stupid? I mean, the point you're
> trying to make is kind of stupid, but you don't have to sound stupid when
> you're making it. Actually, I forgot who I was talking to heere -- I guess
> you do at that.
> 
> : i don't want to get into going back and forth with the eggheads on
> : that thread,
> 
> That's wise -- every time you do, we cream you.
> 
> : anyway, wisenthal and company have pulled a real boner because they've
> : brought what i've noticed all along about jews to the forefront of
> : everybody's attention:  namely, that's they've got one set of rules
> : for jews and one set for everybody else.  les and george and milton
> : and the good reverend ought to be shouting out hallelulah about what
> : wisenthal has done.  and they should all be grateful for the presence
> : of joel rosenburg because rosenburg does more to promote anti-semetism
> : than any of them have ever done.
> 
> My dear young man, what on Earth are you ranting about now? If you're
> talking about the attempts of Rabbi Cooper of the Wiesenthal Center to
> censor loonies like yourself and your fellow travelers, then I have to say
> it's more fun (and constructive) to debate y'all than to shut you up. It's
> so easy, for one thing -- your arguments pretty much make you look bad
> enough without our help. Oh, and I happen to be a Jew. I guess I don't fit
> your stereotype; sorry about that. 
===================================================================
Oh yes you do! Nut-case liberal, pushy, arrogant, obnoxious. I'd say you
fit the perfect Jewish stereotype.

George Graves

(and don't bother to ask me your stupid questions again, They are a bore, you 
are a bore, and I already told you what I thought of them and you. I.E. I
like the rest of the pro-whites on this NG, won't answer them.)
====================================================================


But then, people with two sets of rules
> -- for example, those who want to spew all over Usenet but don't want anyone
> to argue back at them -- have never been at the top of the gene pool. And
> speaking of genes:
> 
> 1) What do you define as the "White Race"?
> 2) Why are you afraid of people who don't fit that definition?
> 3) How are your beliefs different from clinical paranoia?
> 
> I thought you said you would clear this up for me.
> 
> -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =
> nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu -- Flame mail will be gleefully posted and
> dissected in front of 20,000,000 people. Thanks in advance.


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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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Josh Klein wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> > And you are a traitor to your people. You are helping to wipe out
> > civilisation as we know it. What I want to know is why? Why would
> > you align yourself with the forces of destruction? Are you nuts? Even if we
> > assume for a moment that there is no Zionist Conspiracy, and all of this
> > destructive liberalism and multiculturalism were a helter-skelter grass
> > roots movement of some kind, where did you get these idiotic ideas about
> > all people being equal?
> 
> How's this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
> created equal..."
> 
> And no, George, Thomas Jefferson was not a Jew.
> --
> Josh Klein
> Amherst College

You know and I know that Jefferson and the rest of Founding Fathers
were NOT saying that all men are born with either equal intellects
or equal abilities, but that they should be considered equal UNDER
THE LAW. Besides, they weren't talking about non-whites in any 
case. Blacks were chattel, property, not free men. As such they
were not covered in the original Constitution. It was not until the
13th Amendment that this issue was redressed.
As for T.J. being a Jew, not bloody likely.

George Graves


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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <31018B0D.1082@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <30FFC2D6.6A34@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> >> wrote:
> 
> >> >[...deletia...]
> 
> >> >P.S. You know what Jewish racial characteristics are as well as I do
> >> >(better even, you are a Jew), so stop with the innocent ploy, OK?
> >>
> >> _Name_ those characteristics.
> >>
> >> _Specify_ the differences betwen the "white" race and the "Jewish" race.
> >>
> >> _Quote_ the research that backs you up.
> >>
> >> _Stop_ dodging the question.
> >>
> >> Or, simply admit that this is yet another "fact" you are "convinced" is
> >> true, yet cannot offer a single piece of convincing evidence for. Perhaps
> >> reviewing your comprehensive collection of Clive Cussler novels would
> >> help.
> >>
> >> JGB
> >
> >Bronstein, don't be so stupid. EVERYBODY above the age of ten knows
> >that Jews are a Race, a Culture and a religion. Otherwise people would
> >be saying "Funny you don't look Catholic." or "Funny you don't look baptist."
> >But they don't. People do say "He looks Jewish". If Jews aren't a race,
> >then why did Cecil B. DeMille (a half Jew) write a letter to his sister,
> >the famous dance choreographer, Katherine DeMille, scolding her for
> >having her picture taken in profile for "Life" magazine, saying: "Don't
> >you ever pose in profile for a picture again, you look too Jewish!"
> 
> "Everybody knows" doesn't count, Graves. At various points in human
> history, "everybody" has known that evil spirits caused disease, that the
> Earth was at the center of the universe, and that fairies would steal
> human babies and leave changelings in their place. "Everybody" is
> extremely unreliable as a source of factual information -- even less
> reliable than Clive Cussler novels.
> 
> _Name_ the Jewish characteristics.
> 
> _Specify_ the differences betwen the "white" race and the "Jewish" race.
> 
> _Quote_ the research that backs you up.
> 
>  _Stop_ dodging the question.
> 
> JGB

I'm not dodging the question, Bronstein, I'm flat out refusing to waste 
my time to doing research to answer something that is common knowledge
to millions. Its stupid, you know its stupid, you are just trying to be
annoying. Well, give it up, you aren't that annoying!

George Graves


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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : > In article , potato@mo.net
> : > > The point is that Hitler and Stalin were sickoes. They were scumbags. We
> : > > must NEVER allow sociopaths, idealists, racists, liberals, or fascists to
> : > > gain control of another country.
> : ====================================================================
> : And not to forget the worst of them all, Wee Willy Clinton, "The Lyin' King".
> 
> : George Graves
> 
> How many people has Clinton sent to:
> 
> (1) Siberia (or the equivalent).
> 
> (2) The gas chambers?
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu

There are different kinds of political danger. In the long run, 
Clinton's ideas are destructive. He has already broken his
oath of office and gotten away with it, I shudder to think
what this pathological liar and his lying wife have in store for
us next.

George Graves


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Sara aka Perrrfect wrote:
> 
> In article <310261B8.43F0@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Truer words have never been published. Human greed is a the bottom
> > of almost every human endeavor, irrespective of the socio-economic
> > system.
> >
> Why George! I never realizaed you were such an optomist!!!
> 
> Now I understand your philsophy SO MUCH better!
> 
> So you agree that the Nazis were motivated by greed? Fascinating!
> 
> Sara


I am not a Nazi. You ARE an idiot. If you were not an idiot, you would
have gleaned that (if nothing else) from my previous posts.

Yes, Nazis were motivated by greed for power.

George Graves


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Caesar wrote:
> 
> In article <310109B1.609@aimnet.com> gmgraves@aimnet.com "George Graves" writes:
> 
> > Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > >
> > > In article , potato@mo.net
> > > (Frank Weltner) wrote:
> > >
> > > > Actually, I haven't missed the point!
> > > >
> > > > The point is that Hitler and Stalin were sickoes. They were scumbags. We
> > > > must NEVER allow sociopaths, idealists, racists, liberals, or fascists to
> > > > gain control of another country.
> > ====================================================================
> > And not to forget the worst of them all, Wee Willy Clinton, "The Lyin' King".
> 
> Are you trying to say that Clinton was worse than Hitler or
> Stalin.
> 
> >
> > George Graves
> >
> > ===================================================================
> > > >
> > > > Understand?
> > > >
> > > > Okay.
> > > >
> > > > What we need is Pat Buchanan....
> > >
> > > Deja vu.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > --------------------------------
> > > "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil
> >  passes
> > > not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> > > right through every human heart--and all human hearts."
> > >
> > > -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > --------------------------------
> >
> 
> --
> 
> Caesar
> 
> --
In the long run, just as dangerous.

George Graves


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Josh Klein wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> > > :-- Contemporary evidence shows that the Protocols were written by
> > > :-- members of Czar Nicholas II's "Okhranka," or secret police, in 1903.
> > ===================================================================
> > That's Okrana, by the way.
> > ===================================================================
> 
> Actually, George, the word is "Okhranka" -- from the root "Okhr_n",
> meaning "protection."  "Okhrana" is a noun meaning "protection,"
> but was not the name of the Tsarist secret police.  Looks like there
> are a few more of your "facts" which need checking out.
> 
> --
> Josh Klein
> Amherst College


I looked in three sources, and they all spelled it Okhrana or Okrana. Are
you absolutely sure of this?

George Graves


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evil Beavis wrote:
> 
> Frank Weltner wrote:
> >
> > In article <30FE74C2.179C@scott.net>, evil Beavis  wrote:
> >
> > :Les Griswold wrote:
> > :>
> > :> I heard on the radio yesterday that negro arrest and convictions in
> > :> Ontario have gone up by 240% over the last ten years, while white
> > :> arrest/conviction rates in Ontario have gone up by 23%.  Now, of course,
> > :> the newspapers are being strangely silent on this one; I wonder why.  In
> > :> any event, I just wanted to point something out:  negro arrest/conviction
> > :> rates have gone up in Ontario by TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY percent in the last
> > :> ten years.  Some nabob is going to blame it on racism, of course.  But the
> > :> last ten years in Ontario, the government has been Liberal/NDP, and
> > :> especially the latter has enacted some of the most "progressive" laws re:
> > :> race relations.  Seems like those laws haven't done much good! (heck, even
> > :> someone with an 85 I.Q. would be able to figure out that negroes were
> > :> better off BEFORE all this race-relations crap came along)
> > :>
> > :> Les
> > :
> > :
> > :This is also a product of economic stratification. If you control for
> > :socioeconomic status among different racial groups, you will find that crime
> > :rates are insignificantly different. This should suggest that in order to
> > :combat crime, we need to make sure that equal opportunity exist and that no
> > :one (of a few) group/s are kept in poverty. To continue this is merely to
> > :invite trouble and continued crime.
> > :Minorities in all countries tend to have higher crime rates due to less
> > :economic opportunity and general predjudice towards them by the majority
> > :population.
> > :In Sweden, a lot of Finnish workers came to our textile mills to work in the
> > :1960's and 1970's. They have traditionally been economically disadvatntaged
> > :abd predjudiced against. And guess what? They have higher crime rates and
> > :rates of alcoholism and unemployment etc. And they are just as white as any
> > :Swede! So race is not necessarily the determinant of a group's crime rates. I
> > :think economic factors are much more important.
> > :
> > :eB
> >
> > Poor people in America during the 1930's had lower crime rates that poor
> > people today. How do you explain this? I mean, if it's socioeconomic....
> > Also, the pioneers and pilgrims were extremely poor, but they didn't
> > steal.
> 
> No, but they were pretty good at killing others for religious reasons!
> Besides, there was plenty of black people in this country in the 30's as
> well, so I assume they too had lower crime rates than today.
> 
> eB

You better believe they had lower crime rates than today. In those days
black-on-white crime (crime in general, for that matter) was simply not 
tolerated. black-on-black crime was often ignored. Before blacks were
given their rights, in many communities, ANY black-on-white crime was
a hanging offence. This tended to keep that sort of crime to a minimum.
On the other hand, drugs weren't the problem in those days like they are
today. I don't really know the figures, but I would be willing to bet, that
a very high percentage of modern crime is drug related. Anybody out there
have access to those figures? Lets see 'em.

George Graves


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Caesar wrote:
> 
> In article <30FE4D43.49AB@aimnet.com> gmgraves@aimnet.com "George Graves" writes:
> 
> >
> > Your side against all who do not cow to you.
> > The penalty for non compliance to your New World Order will be death.
> 
> A bit like the penalty Nazis gave for people who disagreed with
> them.
> 
> --
> 
> Caesar
> 
> --
Very much the same. He who is on top, makes the rules for the rest.

George Graves


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MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
> 
> In article <4dupr8$rhh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Robert Hawkins  writes:
> 
> >We non-Jews don't really know what Jews believe or think.  Don't
> >most Jews still think that they are the "chosen people"?
> >Unfortunately, Jews are too devious and deceitful to reveal
> >what they think and believe.  I find their pushy, overbearing,
> >obnoxious behaviour disgusting.
> 
> Like Republicans you mean?  Or the Christian Coalition?  Ross Perot?  Rush
> (who couldn't rush if his life depended on it) Limbaugh?
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison
> t08o@unb.ca

Oh so you're a democrat, Morrison! One of those people, who have, in
their 40 years of Congressional Stewardship for this country, almost
completely destroyed it with stupid social programs which have
literally thrown away TRILLIONS of dollars with no results except
to leave us almost bankrupt. The party which has given us the 
dumbest immigration policy ON EARTH, one which pours millions
of un-needed new people into our midst every year, straining our
already overtaxed infrastructure to the breaking point. The party 
under which the average American has seen his standard of living 
erode by twenty percent in one generation, making us the first 
Americans in history to give our children, as a legacy, lower 
expectations than those we got from our parents. Great track record.
I'd sure be proud of it were I you, boy, wow!

George Graves


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Wandering wrote:
> 
> RC Richards (xyz@scsn.net) wrote:
> 
> : you'd probably be surprised, JACKASS, by the degrees we have--and some
> : of us have more than one.  and you know, you've kind of showed your
> : ignorance, IDJIT, in your post by misspelling  _carolinian_.
> 
> Oopsie, you forgot to capitalize "Carolinian". I guess your degrees don't
> include English grammar, or public speaking -- I've never known anyone to
> use as many personal insults as you do when trying to make a point. Did you
> know that such behavior makes you look stupid? I mean, the point you're
> trying to make is kind of stupid, but you don't have to sound stupid when
> you're making it. Actually, I forgot who I was talking to heere -- I guess
> you do at that.
> 
> : i don't want to get into going back and forth with the eggheads on
> : that thread,
> 
> That's wise -- every time you do, we cream you.
> 
> : anyway, wisenthal and company have pulled a real boner because they've
> : brought what i've noticed all along about jews to the forefront of
> : everybody's attention:  namely, that's they've got one set of rules
> : for jews and one set for everybody else.  les and george and milton
> : and the good reverend ought to be shouting out hallelulah about what
> : wisenthal has done.  and they should all be grateful for the presence
> : of joel rosenburg because rosenburg does more to promote anti-semetism
> : than any of them have ever done.
> 
> My dear young man, what on Earth are you ranting about now? If you're
> talking about the attempts of Rabbi Cooper of the Wiesenthal Center to
> censor loonies like yourself and your fellow travelers, then I have to say
> it's more fun (and constructive) to debate y'all than to shut you up. It's
> so easy, for one thing -- your arguments pretty much make you look bad
> enough without our help. Oh, and I happen to be a Jew. I guess I don't fit
> your stereotype; sorry about that. 
===================================================================
Oh yes you do! Nut-case liberal, pushy, arrogant, obnoxious. I'd say you
fit the perfect Jewish stereotype.

George Graves

(and don't bother to ask me your stupid questions again, They are a bore, you 
are a bore, and I already told you what I thought of them and you. I.E. I
like the rest of the pro-whites on this NG, won't answer them.)
====================================================================


But then, people with two sets of rules
> -- for example, those who want to spew all over Usenet but don't want anyone
> to argue back at them -- have never been at the top of the gene pool. And
> speaking of genes:
> 
> 1) What do you define as the "White Race"?
> 2) Why are you afraid of people who don't fit that definition?
> 3) How are your beliefs different from clinical paranoia?
> 
> I thought you said you would clear this up for me.
> 
> -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =
> nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu -- Flame mail will be gleefully posted and
> dissected in front of 20,000,000 people. Thanks in advance.


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Andrew Chin wrote:
> 
> Ned Kelly (nedkelly@eagle.ais.net) wrote:
> : I'm a White Postal Worker(tm) in a facility that is overwhealming black.
> : Before I got that job, I worked in a factory full of Hispanics. From a
> : psychological standpoint I was better off at that factory. At least they
> : left me alone! At the Post Office, I get my share of "reverse" racist
> : remarks from the aborigines.
> 
> : One of the worst offenders there is not black at all, but a "Native
> : American". Recently, I was at the receiving end of a bunch of
> : race-related garbage from that "Native American" and an aborigine from
> : work on the bus. The stupidity involved threatening remarks, anti-white
> : epithets, etc. This was over a week ago, but the fallout has not settled
> : yet. It's really pathetic.
> 
> : I have grave doubts about the "multicultralism" thing being good after
> : all. I gave it a try and now, I just want to wash my hands of the mess.
> : I'm really disgusted with the people who never had to live it yet claim
> : it can work. Such people often are living in nice safe white suburbs and
> : earn tons of money, so a ton of them will flame this post telling me the
> : same tired old "Get an education, loser" advice.
> 
> Could you explain what you mean by multiculturalism?  My definition of
> multiculturalism is a vision of American society that recognizes the
> legitimate achievements, roles and purposes of _all_ of America's diverse
> ethnic groups and cultures.  The fact that some of your workers hurl
> racial epithets is a case for more, not less, multiculturalism, and less,
> not more, ignorance and racial segregation.
> 
> --
> Andrew Chin
> Yale Law School
> caase@minerva.cis.yale.edu


No, multiculturalism is a mistaken belief that this country (or any
country) can thrive with hundreds of different ethnicities all living
as if they were still in their homelands. It is the notion that people
can live in America without becoming Americans, without embracing
the culture or the principles upon which this nation of immigrants was
founded. It is characterized by multilingualism, Chinese (or Iranian or
whatever) television channels, whole sections of American cities 
becoming little Vietnams, or little Costa Ricas, or little Bahgdads.
In the past, immigrants to this country were pressured to become 
Americans. Now the Multiculturalists say that this is not necessary. 
To many on this NG, this is dangerous to the national identity and 
must be stopped.
But mostly it is a mindset which says: whites may have built this
country, but they don't have any right to enjoy the fruits of their
labors. So move over Mr. Jones, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Smith, and make 
way for Mr. Gonzales, Mr. Ng, and Mr. Chin. They are going to enjoy
the fruits of your labor, you go take a back seat and shut up about 
it!

George Graves


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> George Graves  wrote:
> 
> >I'm not predjudiced.
> 
> Perhaps you were unable to check the meaning of this word when,
> having misspelled it, you could not find it in your dictionary.
> According to the Concise Oxford Dictionary, "prejudiced" is a
> noun meaning "preconceived opinion".  A prejudiced person, thus,
> is one who has opinions about things, people, places, etc. based
> not on their own knowledge of the thing, people, place, but on
> a preconceived idea about it/them.  Racial prejudice, for example,
> means that an individual is judged not on his/her own merits, but
> on preconceived ideas about a larger group, defined by skin colour.
> Antisemitic prejudice would mean, then, that all Jews are believed,
> irrespective of their individual qualities and characteristics, to
> be alike in certain essential characteristics.
> 
> You seem to think that Jews deserved the holocaust, Mr. Graves.
> Hundreds of thousands of Jewish children were among the victims
> of the holocaust.  Did their individual actions bring them to
> their fates in the Nazi death camps?  Or were their fates the
> outcome of prejudice, Mr. Graves?

Just a minute. Didn't I just go through a long and tiresome answer to
a post from you about this subject? Did you not read it? Where the
devil do you get the idea that I think that Jews deserved the 
holocaust. I have never said anything like that on this or any other
forum. You, on the other hand seem bent on insisting that I do agree
with the Nazis about this subject. Why is this? Why do you need so
desperately for me to condone the holocaust? Is this sick, or what?

As to being predjudiced, you took my quote out of context. One of 
your "warriors" told me that he hated me. I merely said that I did
not feel the same way about him because I didn't know him. I said I
wouldn't make that kind of a decision based on what I knew of him
because I wasn't predjudiced. A little ironic turn of phrase? 
Understand?

Besides, I'm post-judiced, not prejudiced

George Graves


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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : > In article , potato@mo.net
> : > > The point is that Hitler and Stalin were sickoes. They were scumbags. We
> : > > must NEVER allow sociopaths, idealists, racists, liberals, or fascists to
> : > > gain control of another country.
> : ====================================================================
> : And not to forget the worst of them all, Wee Willy Clinton, "The Lyin' King".
> 
> : George Graves
> 
> How many people has Clinton sent to:
> 
> (1) Siberia (or the equivalent).
> 
> (2) The gas chambers?
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu

There are different kinds of political danger. In the long run, 
Clinton's ideas are destructive. He has already broken his
oath of office and gotten away with it, I shudder to think
what this pathological liar and his lying wife have in store for
us next.

George Graves


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Caesar wrote:
> 
> In article <310109B1.609@aimnet.com> gmgraves@aimnet.com "George Graves" writes:
> 
> > Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > >
> > > In article , potato@mo.net
> > > (Frank Weltner) wrote:
> > >
> > > > Actually, I haven't missed the point!
> > > >
> > > > The point is that Hitler and Stalin were sickoes. They were scumbags. We
> > > > must NEVER allow sociopaths, idealists, racists, liberals, or fascists to
> > > > gain control of another country.
> > ====================================================================
> > And not to forget the worst of them all, Wee Willy Clinton, "The Lyin' King".
> 
> Are you trying to say that Clinton was worse than Hitler or
> Stalin.
> 
> >
> > George Graves
> >
> > ===================================================================
> > > >
> > > > Understand?
> > > >
> > > > Okay.
> > > >
> > > > What we need is Pat Buchanan....
> > >
> > > Deja vu.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > --------------------------------
> > > "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil
> >  passes
> > > not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> > > right through every human heart--and all human hearts."
> > >
> > > -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > --------------------------------
> >
> 
> --
> 
> Caesar
> 
> --
In the long run, just as dangerous.

George Graves


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Josh Klein wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> > > :-- Contemporary evidence shows that the Protocols were written by
> > > :-- members of Czar Nicholas II's "Okhranka," or secret police, in 1903.
> > ===================================================================
> > That's Okrana, by the way.
> > ===================================================================
> 
> Actually, George, the word is "Okhranka" -- from the root "Okhr_n",
> meaning "protection."  "Okhrana" is a noun meaning "protection,"
> but was not the name of the Tsarist secret police.  Looks like there
> are a few more of your "facts" which need checking out.
> 
> --
> Josh Klein
> Amherst College


I looked in three sources, and they all spelled it Okhrana or Okrana. Are
you absolutely sure of this?

George Graves


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evil Beavis wrote:
> 
> Frank Weltner wrote:
> >
> > In article <30FE74C2.179C@scott.net>, evil Beavis  wrote:
> >
> > :Les Griswold wrote:
> > :>
> > :> I heard on the radio yesterday that negro arrest and convictions in
> > :> Ontario have gone up by 240% over the last ten years, while white
> > :> arrest/conviction rates in Ontario have gone up by 23%.  Now, of course,
> > :> the newspapers are being strangely silent on this one; I wonder why.  In
> > :> any event, I just wanted to point something out:  negro arrest/conviction
> > :> rates have gone up in Ontario by TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY percent in the last
> > :> ten years.  Some nabob is going to blame it on racism, of course.  But the
> > :> last ten years in Ontario, the government has been Liberal/NDP, and
> > :> especially the latter has enacted some of the most "progressive" laws re:
> > :> race relations.  Seems like those laws haven't done much good! (heck, even
> > :> someone with an 85 I.Q. would be able to figure out that negroes were
> > :> better off BEFORE all this race-relations crap came along)
> > :>
> > :> Les
> > :
> > :
> > :This is also a product of economic stratification. If you control for
> > :socioeconomic status among different racial groups, you will find that crime
> > :rates are insignificantly different. This should suggest that in order to
> > :combat crime, we need to make sure that equal opportunity exist and that no
> > :one (of a few) group/s are kept in poverty. To continue this is merely to
> > :invite trouble and continued crime.
> > :Minorities in all countries tend to have higher crime rates due to less
> > :economic opportunity and general predjudice towards them by the majority
> > :population.
> > :In Sweden, a lot of Finnish workers came to our textile mills to work in the
> > :1960's and 1970's. They have traditionally been economically disadvatntaged
> > :abd predjudiced against. And guess what? They have higher crime rates and
> > :rates of alcoholism and unemployment etc. And they are just as white as any
> > :Swede! So race is not necessarily the determinant of a group's crime rates. I
> > :think economic factors are much more important.
> > :
> > :eB
> >
> > Poor people in America during the 1930's had lower crime rates that poor
> > people today. How do you explain this? I mean, if it's socioeconomic....
> > Also, the pioneers and pilgrims were extremely poor, but they didn't
> > steal.
> 
> No, but they were pretty good at killing others for religious reasons!
> Besides, there was plenty of black people in this country in the 30's as
> well, so I assume they too had lower crime rates than today.
> 
> eB

You better believe they had lower crime rates than today. In those days
black-on-white crime (crime in general, for that matter) was simply not 
tolerated. black-on-black crime was often ignored. Before blacks were
given their rights, in many communities, ANY black-on-white crime was
a hanging offence. This tended to keep that sort of crime to a minimum.
On the other hand, drugs weren't the problem in those days like they are
today. I don't really know the figures, but I would be willing to bet, that
a very high percentage of modern crime is drug related. Anybody out there
have access to those figures? Lets see 'em.

George Graves


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Caesar wrote:
> 
> In article <30FE4D43.49AB@aimnet.com> gmgraves@aimnet.com "George Graves" writes:
> 
> >
> > Your side against all who do not cow to you.
> > The penalty for non compliance to your New World Order will be death.
> 
> A bit like the penalty Nazis gave for people who disagreed with
> them.
> 
> --
> 
> Caesar
> 
> --
Very much the same. He who is on top, makes the rules for the rest.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
> 
Deleted for brevity

> There's also the point that there is some evidence that Lincoln, like many
> of the people of his time, believed in a hierarchical definition of racial
> groups with, of course, blacks on the bottom, a widespread belief at the
> time even among liberals.
> 
> What differentiates people like Lincoln (and people like him) from your
> average racist is that they believed that yes, there were racial differences
> but they were unimportant in the grand scheme of things.  Everyone deserved
> the same opportunities and the right to succeed as much as they are capable
> of.  If you insist that because such-and-such a group on average are dumber
> or smaller or whatever and thus you are justified in denying them some right
> you deny the rights of any member of that group who is more intelligent and
> capable of rising above the rest of his peers.
> 
> This is a point that racists may not want to consider.  Say they are right.
> Say that blacks are less intelligent.  What do you want to do about it?  The
> fact that there are black scientists and educators and intellectuals clearly
> indicates that members of the black population are just as capable as any
> white or asian or whoever.  This alone means they should be given the same
> opportunities.  Thus any discriminatory action means that you have denied
> someone from achieving their true capabilities.  The average of the many
> does not justify denying the rights of the one.
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison
> t08o@unb.ca

I'm all in favor of giving them the same opportunities, in fact, I believe
they have them already. All that they have to do is take advantage of them.
But, if we did REALLY level the playing field (no defferential treatment
for anyone, a pure meritocracy), and the blacks still failed, what would we
do then?

George Graves


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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> In <31018B0D.1082@aimnet.com>, gmgraves@aimnet.com said:
> 
> >Bronstein, don't be so stupid. EVERYBODY above the age of ten knows that
> >Jews are a Race, a Culture and a religion. Otherwise people would be
> >saying "Funny you don't look Catholic." or "Funny you don't look baptist."
> >But they don't. People do say "He looks Jewish". If Jews aren't a race,
> >then why did Cecil B. DeMille (a half Jew) write a letter to his sister,
> >the famous dance choreographer, Katherine DeMille, scolding her for having
> >her picture taken in profile for "Life" magazine, saying: "Don't you ever
> >pose in profile for a picture again, you look too Jewish!"
> 
> That still dodges the question.  What are the racial characteristics of the
> Jewish "race"?  Not Hollywood stereotypes, racial characteristics.
> 

Then you admit that there are "Hollywood" stereotypes. That means
that you know a jew when you see one. see, that wasn't so hard, now
was it?

George Graves


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> In article <31026CFA.78B0@aimnet.com> George Graves  writes:
> 
> >These guys have never heard of typographical errors. They certainly
> >can't tell the difference between a typo and an actual misspelling.
> >Hell, my typing is so bad, I often mistype my own name!
> 
> And, Georgie, if that were your worst flaw, you'd be a fine human being.
> Alas...

Actually, it is my worst flaw!

George Graves


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MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
> 
> In article <4dupr8$rhh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Robert Hawkins  writes:
> 
> >We non-Jews don't really know what Jews believe or think.  Don't
> >most Jews still think that they are the "chosen people"?
> >Unfortunately, Jews are too devious and deceitful to reveal
> >what they think and believe.  I find their pushy, overbearing,
> >obnoxious behaviour disgusting.
> 
> Like Republicans you mean?  Or the Christian Coalition?  Ross Perot?  Rush
> (who couldn't rush if his life depended on it) Limbaugh?
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison
> t08o@unb.ca

Oh so you're a democrat, Morrison! One of those people, who have, in
their 40 years of Congressional Stewardship for this country, almost
completely destroyed it with stupid social programs which have
literally thrown away TRILLIONS of dollars with no results except
to leave us almost bankrupt. The party which has given us the 
dumbest immigration policy ON EARTH, one which pours millions
of un-needed new people into our midst every year, straining our
already overtaxed infrastructure to the breaking point. The party 
under which the average American has seen his standard of living 
erode by twenty percent in one generation, making us the first 
Americans in history to give our children, as a legacy, lower 
expectations than those we got from our parents. Great track record.
I'd sure be proud of it were I you, boy, wow!

George Graves


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Wandering wrote:
> 
> RC Richards (xyz@scsn.net) wrote:
> 
> : you'd probably be surprised, JACKASS, by the degrees we have--and some
> : of us have more than one.  and you know, you've kind of showed your
> : ignorance, IDJIT, in your post by misspelling  _carolinian_.
> 
> Oopsie, you forgot to capitalize "Carolinian". I guess your degrees don't
> include English grammar, or public speaking -- I've never known anyone to
> use as many personal insults as you do when trying to make a point. Did you
> know that such behavior makes you look stupid? I mean, the point you're
> trying to make is kind of stupid, but you don't have to sound stupid when
> you're making it. Actually, I forgot who I was talking to heere -- I guess
> you do at that.
> 
> : i don't want to get into going back and forth with the eggheads on
> : that thread,
> 
> That's wise -- every time you do, we cream you.
> 
> : anyway, wisenthal and company have pulled a real boner because they've
> : brought what i've noticed all along about jews to the forefront of
> : everybody's attention:  namely, that's they've got one set of rules
> : for jews and one set for everybody else.  les and george and milton
> : and the good reverend ought to be shouting out hallelulah about what
> : wisenthal has done.  and they should all be grateful for the presence
> : of joel rosenburg because rosenburg does more to promote anti-semetism
> : than any of them have ever done.
> 
> My dear young man, what on Earth are you ranting about now? If you're
> talking about the attempts of Rabbi Cooper of the Wiesenthal Center to
> censor loonies like yourself and your fellow travelers, then I have to say
> it's more fun (and constructive) to debate y'all than to shut you up. It's
> so easy, for one thing -- your arguments pretty much make you look bad
> enough without our help. Oh, and I happen to be a Jew. I guess I don't fit
> your stereotype; sorry about that. 
===================================================================
Oh yes you do! Nut-case liberal, pushy, arrogant, obnoxious. I'd say you
fit the perfect Jewish stereotype.

George Graves

(and don't bother to ask me your stupid questions again, They are a bore, you 
are a bore, and I already told you what I thought of them and you. I.E. I
like the rest of the pro-whites on this NG, won't answer them.)
====================================================================


But then, people with two sets of rules
> -- for example, those who want to spew all over Usenet but don't want anyone
> to argue back at them -- have never been at the top of the gene pool. And
> speaking of genes:
> 
> 1) What do you define as the "White Race"?
> 2) Why are you afraid of people who don't fit that definition?
> 3) How are your beliefs different from clinical paranoia?
> 
> I thought you said you would clear this up for me.
> 
> -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =
> nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu -- Flame mail will be gleefully posted and
> dissected in front of 20,000,000 people. Thanks in advance.


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Andrew Chin wrote:
> 
> Ned Kelly (nedkelly@eagle.ais.net) wrote:
> : I'm a White Postal Worker(tm) in a facility that is overwhealming black.
> : Before I got that job, I worked in a factory full of Hispanics. From a
> : psychological standpoint I was better off at that factory. At least they
> : left me alone! At the Post Office, I get my share of "reverse" racist
> : remarks from the aborigines.
> 
> : One of the worst offenders there is not black at all, but a "Native
> : American". Recently, I was at the receiving end of a bunch of
> : race-related garbage from that "Native American" and an aborigine from
> : work on the bus. The stupidity involved threatening remarks, anti-white
> : epithets, etc. This was over a week ago, but the fallout has not settled
> : yet. It's really pathetic.
> 
> : I have grave doubts about the "multicultralism" thing being good after
> : all. I gave it a try and now, I just want to wash my hands of the mess.
> : I'm really disgusted with the people who never had to live it yet claim
> : it can work. Such people often are living in nice safe white suburbs and
> : earn tons of money, so a ton of them will flame this post telling me the
> : same tired old "Get an education, loser" advice.
> 
> Could you explain what you mean by multiculturalism?  My definition of
> multiculturalism is a vision of American society that recognizes the
> legitimate achievements, roles and purposes of _all_ of America's diverse
> ethnic groups and cultures.  The fact that some of your workers hurl
> racial epithets is a case for more, not less, multiculturalism, and less,
> not more, ignorance and racial segregation.
> 
> --
> Andrew Chin
> Yale Law School
> caase@minerva.cis.yale.edu


No, multiculturalism is a mistaken belief that this country (or any
country) can thrive with hundreds of different ethnicities all living
as if they were still in their homelands. It is the notion that people
can live in America without becoming Americans, without embracing
the culture or the principles upon which this nation of immigrants was
founded. It is characterized by multilingualism, Chinese (or Iranian or
whatever) television channels, whole sections of American cities 
becoming little Vietnams, or little Costa Ricas, or little Bahgdads.
In the past, immigrants to this country were pressured to become 
Americans. Now the Multiculturalists say that this is not necessary. 
To many on this NG, this is dangerous to the national identity and 
must be stopped.
But mostly it is a mindset which says: whites may have built this
country, but they don't have any right to enjoy the fruits of their
labors. So move over Mr. Jones, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Smith, and make 
way for Mr. Gonzales, Mr. Ng, and Mr. Chin. They are going to enjoy
the fruits of your labor, you go take a back seat and shut up about 
it!

George Graves


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Josh Klein wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> > And you are a traitor to your people. You are helping to wipe out
> > civilisation as we know it. What I want to know is why? Why would
> > you align yourself with the forces of destruction? Are you nuts? Even if we
> > assume for a moment that there is no Zionist Conspiracy, and all of this
> > destructive liberalism and multiculturalism were a helter-skelter grass
> > roots movement of some kind, where did you get these idiotic ideas about
> > all people being equal?
> 
> How's this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
> created equal..."
> 
> And no, George, Thomas Jefferson was not a Jew.
> --
> Josh Klein
> Amherst College

You know and I know that Jefferson and the rest of Founding Fathers
were NOT saying that all men are born with either equal intellects
or equal abilities, but that they should be considered equal UNDER
THE LAW. Besides, they weren't talking about non-whites in any 
case. Blacks were chattel, property, not free men. As such they
were not covered in the original Constitution. It was not until the
13th Amendment that this issue was redressed.
As for T.J. being a Jew, not bloody likely.

George Graves


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> George Graves  wrote:
> 
> >I'm not predjudiced.
> 
> Perhaps you were unable to check the meaning of this word when,
> having misspelled it, you could not find it in your dictionary.
> According to the Concise Oxford Dictionary, "prejudiced" is a
> noun meaning "preconceived opinion".  A prejudiced person, thus,
> is one who has opinions about things, people, places, etc. based
> not on their own knowledge of the thing, people, place, but on
> a preconceived idea about it/them.  Racial prejudice, for example,
> means that an individual is judged not on his/her own merits, but
> on preconceived ideas about a larger group, defined by skin colour.
> Antisemitic prejudice would mean, then, that all Jews are believed,
> irrespective of their individual qualities and characteristics, to
> be alike in certain essential characteristics.
> 
> You seem to think that Jews deserved the holocaust, Mr. Graves.
> Hundreds of thousands of Jewish children were among the victims
> of the holocaust.  Did their individual actions bring them to
> their fates in the Nazi death camps?  Or were their fates the
> outcome of prejudice, Mr. Graves?

Just a minute. Didn't I just go through a long and tiresome answer to
a post from you about this subject? Did you not read it? Where the
devil do you get the idea that I think that Jews deserved the 
holocaust. I have never said anything like that on this or any other
forum. You, on the other hand seem bent on insisting that I do agree
with the Nazis about this subject. Why is this? Why do you need so
desperately for me to condone the holocaust? Is this sick, or what?

As to being predjudiced, you took my quote out of context. One of 
your "warriors" told me that he hated me. I merely said that I did
not feel the same way about him because I didn't know him. I said I
wouldn't make that kind of a decision based on what I knew of him
because I wasn't predjudiced. A little ironic turn of phrase? 
Understand?

Besides, I'm post-judiced, not prejudiced

George Graves


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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <31018B0D.1082@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <30FFC2D6.6A34@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> >> wrote:
> 
> >> >[...deletia...]
> 
> >> >P.S. You know what Jewish racial characteristics are as well as I do
> >> >(better even, you are a Jew), so stop with the innocent ploy, OK?
> >>
> >> _Name_ those characteristics.
> >>
> >> _Specify_ the differences betwen the "white" race and the "Jewish" race.
> >>
> >> _Quote_ the research that backs you up.
> >>
> >> _Stop_ dodging the question.
> >>
> >> Or, simply admit that this is yet another "fact" you are "convinced" is
> >> true, yet cannot offer a single piece of convincing evidence for. Perhaps
> >> reviewing your comprehensive collection of Clive Cussler novels would
> >> help.
> >>
> >> JGB
> >
> >Bronstein, don't be so stupid. EVERYBODY above the age of ten knows
> >that Jews are a Race, a Culture and a religion. Otherwise people would
> >be saying "Funny you don't look Catholic." or "Funny you don't look baptist."
> >But they don't. People do say "He looks Jewish". If Jews aren't a race,
> >then why did Cecil B. DeMille (a half Jew) write a letter to his sister,
> >the famous dance choreographer, Katherine DeMille, scolding her for
> >having her picture taken in profile for "Life" magazine, saying: "Don't
> >you ever pose in profile for a picture again, you look too Jewish!"
> 
> "Everybody knows" doesn't count, Graves. At various points in human
> history, "everybody" has known that evil spirits caused disease, that the
> Earth was at the center of the universe, and that fairies would steal
> human babies and leave changelings in their place. "Everybody" is
> extremely unreliable as a source of factual information -- even less
> reliable than Clive Cussler novels.
> 
> _Name_ the Jewish characteristics.
> 
> _Specify_ the differences betwen the "white" race and the "Jewish" race.
> 
> _Quote_ the research that backs you up.
> 
>  _Stop_ dodging the question.
> 
> JGB

I'm not dodging the question, Bronstein, I'm flat out refusing to waste 
my time to doing research to answer something that is common knowledge
to millions. Its stupid, you know its stupid, you are just trying to be
annoying. Well, give it up, you aren't that annoying!

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Tue Jan 23 11:01:29 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : > In article , potato@mo.net
> : > > The point is that Hitler and Stalin were sickoes. They were scumbags. We
> : > > must NEVER allow sociopaths, idealists, racists, liberals, or fascists to
> : > > gain control of another country.
> : ====================================================================
> : And not to forget the worst of them all, Wee Willy Clinton, "The Lyin' King".
> 
> : George Graves
> 
> How many people has Clinton sent to:
> 
> (1) Siberia (or the equivalent).
> 
> (2) The gas chambers?
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu

There are different kinds of political danger. In the long run, 
Clinton's ideas are destructive. He has already broken his
oath of office and gotten away with it, I shudder to think
what this pathological liar and his lying wife have in store for
us next.

George Graves


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Sara aka Perrrfect wrote:
> 
> In article <310261B8.43F0@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Truer words have never been published. Human greed is a the bottom
> > of almost every human endeavor, irrespective of the socio-economic
> > system.
> >
> Why George! I never realizaed you were such an optomist!!!
> 
> Now I understand your philsophy SO MUCH better!
> 
> So you agree that the Nazis were motivated by greed? Fascinating!
> 
> Sara


I am not a Nazi. You ARE an idiot. If you were not an idiot, you would
have gleaned that (if nothing else) from my previous posts.

Yes, Nazis were motivated by greed for power.

George Graves


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Subject: Re: When the Nazis were leftists (was: Movin' jews!)
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Caesar wrote:
> 
> In article <310109B1.609@aimnet.com> gmgraves@aimnet.com "George Graves" writes:
> 
> > Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > >
> > > In article , potato@mo.net
> > > (Frank Weltner) wrote:
> > >
> > > > Actually, I haven't missed the point!
> > > >
> > > > The point is that Hitler and Stalin were sickoes. They were scumbags. We
> > > > must NEVER allow sociopaths, idealists, racists, liberals, or fascists to
> > > > gain control of another country.
> > ====================================================================
> > And not to forget the worst of them all, Wee Willy Clinton, "The Lyin' King".
> 
> Are you trying to say that Clinton was worse than Hitler or
> Stalin.
> 
> >
> > George Graves
> >
> > ===================================================================
> > > >
> > > > Understand?
> > > >
> > > > Okay.
> > > >
> > > > What we need is Pat Buchanan....
> > >
> > > Deja vu.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > --------------------------------
> > > "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil
> >  passes
> > > not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> > > right through every human heart--and all human hearts."
> > >
> > > -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > --------------------------------
> >
> 
> --
> 
> Caesar
> 
> --
In the long run, just as dangerous.

George Graves


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Josh Klein wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> > > :-- Contemporary evidence shows that the Protocols were written by
> > > :-- members of Czar Nicholas II's "Okhranka," or secret police, in 1903.
> > ===================================================================
> > That's Okrana, by the way.
> > ===================================================================
> 
> Actually, George, the word is "Okhranka" -- from the root "Okhr_n",
> meaning "protection."  "Okhrana" is a noun meaning "protection,"
> but was not the name of the Tsarist secret police.  Looks like there
> are a few more of your "facts" which need checking out.
> 
> --
> Josh Klein
> Amherst College


I looked in three sources, and they all spelled it Okhrana or Okrana. Are
you absolutely sure of this?

George Graves


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Andrew Chin wrote:
> 
> Ned Kelly (nedkelly@eagle.ais.net) wrote:
> : I'm a White Postal Worker(tm) in a facility that is overwhealming black.
> : Before I got that job, I worked in a factory full of Hispanics. From a
> : psychological standpoint I was better off at that factory. At least they
> : left me alone! At the Post Office, I get my share of "reverse" racist
> : remarks from the aborigines.
> 
> : One of the worst offenders there is not black at all, but a "Native
> : American". Recently, I was at the receiving end of a bunch of
> : race-related garbage from that "Native American" and an aborigine from
> : work on the bus. The stupidity involved threatening remarks, anti-white
> : epithets, etc. This was over a week ago, but the fallout has not settled
> : yet. It's really pathetic.
> 
> : I have grave doubts about the "multicultralism" thing being good after
> : all. I gave it a try and now, I just want to wash my hands of the mess.
> : I'm really disgusted with the people who never had to live it yet claim
> : it can work. Such people often are living in nice safe white suburbs and
> : earn tons of money, so a ton of them will flame this post telling me the
> : same tired old "Get an education, loser" advice.
> 
> Could you explain what you mean by multiculturalism?  My definition of
> multiculturalism is a vision of American society that recognizes the
> legitimate achievements, roles and purposes of _all_ of America's diverse
> ethnic groups and cultures.  The fact that some of your workers hurl
> racial epithets is a case for more, not less, multiculturalism, and less,
> not more, ignorance and racial segregation.
> 
> --
> Andrew Chin
> Yale Law School
> caase@minerva.cis.yale.edu


No, multiculturalism is a mistaken belief that this country (or any
country) can thrive with hundreds of different ethnicities all living
as if they were still in their homelands. It is the notion that people
can live in America without becoming Americans, without embracing
the culture or the principles upon which this nation of immigrants was
founded. It is characterized by multilingualism, Chinese (or Iranian or
whatever) television channels, whole sections of American cities 
becoming little Vietnams, or little Costa Ricas, or little Bahgdads.
In the past, immigrants to this country were pressured to become 
Americans. Now the Multiculturalists say that this is not necessary. 
To many on this NG, this is dangerous to the national identity and 
must be stopped.
But mostly it is a mindset which says: whites may have built this
country, but they don't have any right to enjoy the fruits of their
labors. So move over Mr. Jones, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Smith, and make 
way for Mr. Gonzales, Mr. Ng, and Mr. Chin. They are going to enjoy
the fruits of your labor, you go take a back seat and shut up about 
it!

George Graves


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Orest Slepokura wrote:
> 
> In article <30F9217B.2FA6@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > > The ultimate answer is, of course, to become your own server.  Nice, for
> > > those who can afford it.
> >
> > Yes, but THAT'S precisely why  the Wiesenthal Center's efforts are doomed
> > to failure. As fast as mainstream providers distance themselves from this
> > debate by simply censoring those portions of service which are
> > controversial, new providers sponsored by organizations which have had
> > their points of view censored, will come on line to fill the gap. There
> is simply
> > no practical way to physically censor the internet. Thank the lord for small
> > favors.
> >
> > George Graves
> 
> _________________________________________________
> 
> That's exactly what Holocaust revisionist-activist, Dan Gannon, ended up
> doing. Because of all the pressure put on his service providers, Gannon
> set up to become his own Internet provider, with a high speed link to
> MCI's Internet spine.
> 
> To expedite his electronic publishing ventures, he also acquired a
> flat-bed scanner and high quality software that allows him to scan
> articles electronically instead of having to type them up manually.
> 
> Since Gannon started up his own bulletin board system (BBS) in August
> 1991, on "Banished CPU," he's logged about 160,000 calls with his outreach
> program. Where there's a will there's a way; especially when high-tech is
> involved.
> 
> Computer technology is exfoliating in all directions at a dizzying rate.
> Won't be long now before they marry radio and the Internet, TV and the
> Internet.  It won't be long before high tech dumps new tools into our laps
> to enable us to once again frustrate the censorious will of the Thought
> Police of whatever political, ethnic or ideological stripe.
> 
> Orest Slepokura
> 
> ________________________________________________


Good thing too. With such tools in the hands of the ordinary citizen, it
will be very difficult for the power brokers to put one over on us, 
ever again. This is the best thing to happen to Democracy since the
U.S. Constitution.

George Graves


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Lizard wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:12:21, joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg)
> wrote:
> 
> >>That's exactly what Holocaust revisionist-activist, Dan Gannon, ended up
> >>doing. Because of all the pressure put on his service providers, Gannon
> >>set up to become his own Internet provider, with a high speed link to
> >>MCI's Internet spine.
> >
> >Which, finally, removes any question about whether or not our lazy Nazis are
> >being "censored" from the Internet.  They can always go to Gannon for service.
> >
> >Fine by me.
> 
> So then -- why is the Wiesenthal Center devoting time and energy to
> what is ultimately a fruitless task, when they could be doing
> something more productive? (There has to be at least 1 or 2 ninety
> year old Nazis left somewhere) Answer:The Internet is "hot" right now,
> so the SWC can gather a lot of free publicity, not to mention ample
> contributions from technically ignorant leftists who imagine that they
> will be "doing something" to stop "hate in cyberspace". IOW, the exact
> same reason the Christian Coalition is going on about "pornography on
> the Information Superhighway" -- to rake in the big bucks from *its*
> collection of ignorant supporters. (And boy, are there a lot of them.
> If I didn't have a few dim traces of residual conscience left, I'd
> become a televangelist..)
> 
> Anyone who believes that any of these people (the Senate, the
> Christian Coalition, The SWC, Enough is Enough...ANY of them) is
> motivated by anything more than lust for cash and lust for
> power...well, I've got a deal for you. You see, I've got this list of
> ten names. You send the first five people on the list a dollar each,
> and...

Truer words have never been published. Human greed is a the bottom
of almost every human endeavor, irrespective of the socio-economic
system. 

George Graves


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : > > The point is that Hitler and Stalin were sickoes. They were scumbags. We
> : > > must NEVER allow sociopaths, idealists, racists, liberals, or fascists to
> : > > gain control of another country.
> : ====================================================================
> : And not to forget the worst of them all, Wee Willy Clinton, "The Lyin' King".
> 
> Mr. Graves, are you actually asserting that Bill Clinton, whatever his
> flaws, is worse than Hitler and Stalin?  Are you aware of how that reflects
> on the perception of your sense of reality?
> 
> Bill

Do you not know a joke when you see one? Do you realize how this reflects
on the perception of your intelligence?

George Graves


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : > > The point is that Hitler and Stalin were sickoes. They were scumbags. We
> : > > must NEVER allow sociopaths, idealists, racists, liberals, or fascists to
> : > > gain control of another country.
> : ====================================================================
> : And not to forget the worst of them all, Wee Willy Clinton, "The Lyin' King".
> 
> Mr. Graves, are you actually asserting that Bill Clinton, whatever his
> flaws, is worse than Hitler and Stalin?  Are you aware of how that reflects
> on the perception of your sense of reality?
> 
> Bill

Do you not know a joke when you see one? Do you realize how this reflects
on the perseption of your intelligence?

George Graves


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MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
> 
> In article <3103804C.45EA@aimnet.com> George Graves  writes:
> 
> >> >We non-Jews don't really know what Jews believe or think.  Don't
> >> >most Jews still think that they are the "chosen people"?
> >> >Unfortunately, Jews are too devious and deceitful to reveal
> >> >what they think and believe.  I find their pushy, overbearing,
> >> >obnoxious behaviour disgusting.
> >>
> >> Like Republicans you mean?  Or the Christian Coalition?  Ross Perot?  Rush
> >> (who couldn't rush if his life depended on it) Limbaugh?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Keith Morrison
> >> t08o@unb.ca
> 
> >Oh so you're a democrat, Morrison!
> 
> Except for one thing, bonehead.  Look at the address I'm posting from and
> you might come to the sudden realization that I am probably not a Democrat.
> I'll even throw in a bonus hint: I was born in the country I'm posting from.
> 
> Idiot.
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison
> t08o@unb.ca

Never paid any attention to the headers. I assumed that you wouldn't
be making statements about American political parties unless you were
an American. Guess I was wrong. Having no idea of what you are talking
about hasn't slowed you down one iota has it?

George Graves


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <4djnmb$1291@msunews.cl.msu.edu>, Martin Fox  wrote:
> 
> > George Graves  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >There is more than one way to go geschmott, Van Alstine. A Jew might
> > >change his name to avoid political persecution, or he might just change
> > >his religion out of either conviction or the perception that becoming
> > >a christian would better integrate him into the community, or many
> > >other reasons.
> 
> Would this mean you are a "geschmott" Nazi, Graves? You know, one who
> claims not to be a Nazi but still espouses anti-Semitic rhetoric like the
> Nazis did?
> 
> Mark

What makes you think that the Nazi's invented anti-semitism? The 
Tsars of Russia were practising "pogroms" against the Jews long
before Hitler's time. Does that make me a geschmott Tsar?

George Graves


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <310376F3.242C@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > I'm all in favor of giving them the same opportunities, in fact, I believe
> > they have them already.
> 
> That is a "belief" that many, black or otherwise, would disagree with
> given the evidence of continued discrimination and disenfranchisement,
> implicit or otherwise.
> 
> > All that they have to do is take advantage of them.
> 
> Or more correcly, to be _allowed_ to take advantage of them.
> 
> > But, if we did REALLY level the playing field (no defferential treatment
> > for anyone, a pure meritocracy), and the blacks still failed, what would we
> > do then?
> 
> More to the point, when they _succeed_, what will _you_ do?
> 
> Mark

Applaud.

George Graves


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Gord McFee wrote:

Deleted for brevity

gmgraves wrote:
===================================== The
> >world and the American economy has been on a roller-coaster for years.
> >Yet, it wasn't until the late '70's that America's standard of living
> >started to erode. No, I don't think you can blame the economy for this,
> >just too damn many people.
> >The disadvantaged blacks are like that because they won't do anything
> >about their culture. They eschew education, they don't have a work ethic
> >(or if they do, they don't follow it) and they look for the easy way
> >(crime and welfare is easier than work).  They are not evil, but their
> >culture is based on a totally different mindset than is that of the
> >European (or so it looks to me).
> 
> So what do you do about it George?
> 
> --
> Gord McFee

Whatever it takes, "Gord"!

George Graves


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Harry Katz wrote:
> 
> In article <31018B0D.1082@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) once more finds himself cornered
> without a single shred of proof to bolster his prejudicial
> pronunciamentos, so he resorts to old wives' tales:
> 
>         EVERYBODY above the age of ten knows that Jews are a Race, a
>         Culture and a religion. Otherwise people would be saying "Funny
>         you don't look Catholic." or "Funny you don't look baptist."
>         But they don't. People do say "He looks Jewish".
> 
> I have never heard a real person say, "Funny, you don't look Jewish,"
> but I have heard this as a tag line for numerous jokes.  The point of
> the joke, of course, is that there is no "Jewish look" to begin with.
> 
> But Mr. Graves seems to have no intellectual problems with basing his
> conclusions on his own personal misinterpretation of humor.
> 
>         If Jews aren't a race, then why did Cecil B. DeMille (a half
>         Jew) write a letter to his sister, the famous dance
>         choreographer, Katherine DeMille, scolding her for having her
>         picture taken in profile for "Life" magazine, saying: "Don't
>         you ever pose in profile for a picture again, you look
>         too Jewish!"
> 
> Obviously, Mr. DeMille was suffering from feelings of inferiority
> engendered by mainstream American anti-Semites like Mr. Graves!
> 
> --
> Harry Katz

But Katz, irrespective of Mr. DeMille's inferiority complex (a real laugh
by the way. Demille was a notorious megalomaniac.) HOW could he tell
his sister that she looked "too Jewish", when you say there is no 
Jewish look?


George Graves


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> In article <3103EE54.7C9C@aimnet.com> George Graves  writes:
> George, you probably will never learn that "everybody knows it" doesn't
> constitute evidence, much less proof.
> 
> But, me, I'm satisfied if you can feed yourself.

Well, I can feed myself, so you must be satisfied. Congratulations on 
admitting that you were wrong. Remember, admission is the first
step to recovery. There....there.. catch that drool on your chin, Joel.
Much better.

George Graves


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> In article <3103EE54.7C9C@aimnet.com> George Graves  writes:
> George, you probably will never learn that "everybody knows it" doesn't
> constitute evidence, much less proof.
> 
> But, me, I'm satisfied if you can feed yourself.

Well, I can feed myself, so you must be satisfied. Congratulations on 
admitting that you were wrong. Remember, admission is the first
step to recovery. There....there.. catch that drool on your chin, Joel.
Much better.

George Graves


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> In article <3103EE54.7C9C@aimnet.com> George Graves  writes:
> George, you probably will never learn that "everybody knows it" doesn't
> constitute evidence, much less proof.
> 
> But, me, I'm satisfied if you can feed yourself.

Well, I can feed myself, so you must be satisfied. Congratulations on 
admitting that you were wrong. Remember, admission is the first
step to recovery. There....there.. catch that drool on your chin, Joel.
Much better.

George Graves


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> George Graves  wrote:
> 
> [excerpted, discussing the Jews of pre WW2 Europe]
> >No, they didn't deserve to be killed, or physically harmed in any way. They,
> >like anyone else, need to be responsible for their actions, and if their
> >actions break the laws of the countries they inhabit, then, like anyone else,
> >the need to be punished for that.
> 
> What laws did the Jews of 1930s Germany, as a group, break?  Are you
> referring to the Nuremberg laws?
====================================================================
I wasn't speaking of any particular laws or any particular nation. Your 
obsession with the 3rd Reich, causes you to jump to conclusion
====================================================================
> 
> >I will give the Nazis this: If they didn't want any Jews in
> >Germany, they had the right (and indeed the historical precedent) to make
> >them leave.
> 
> So you think that any country has the right to revoke citizenship and
> the rights of citizenship from any group of people, identified on
> religious, racial or any other bases?  No matter how long members of that
> group have been resident of and citizens of the country?  That it is
> appropriate to treat religious groups as a whole, so to speak, and that
> in some matters, the only significant characteristic of an individual is
> their membership in that religious group?
=====================================================================
Racial group. Don't care about religion.
=====================================================================
> 
> >I understand the desire by any homogenous people to keep their society that
> >way. It makes for a stronger national unity. The elimination of
> >undesireables, does from that viewpoint, make perfect sense to me.
> 
> Homogeneous in what way?  Pre-war Germany had Catholics and Protestants,
> as well as Jews.  In what way were Jews legitimately labelled, as a
> group, as "undesireables"?
======================================================================
Catholics and Protestants are white. Jews were not (by Nazi standards). Again,
NAZIS blamed Jews for starting WWI and killing off an entire generation of 
young gentile men (13 million to be more precise). They blamed them for the 
terrible economic conditions that afflicted Germany after the war. The NAZIs
then wrote laws which Jews, by definition, broke (not very sporting of them, what?). 
======================================================================  
> 
> >Hitler not been set on the
> >conquest of Europe (another story, altogether), there would have been many
> >surrounding countries (such as Austria, Poland, Belgium, The Netherlands),
> >with a history of large Jewish populations. All of them probably could
> >and maybe would have absorbed a portion of Germany's Jewish population.
> >Deporting them would not have been that big of a deal, and certainly less
> >trouble than exterminating them.
> 
> Yet many German Jews who tried to leave after the implementation of the
> Nuremberg laws were unable to do so, because no other country would
> accept them.  Even before the war broke out.
> 
> Are you suggesting that at the time the Nuremberg laws were brought
> into effect, Hitler did not have designs on the rest of Europe?  I don't
> understand the point of this discussion.
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You wouldn't understand it Ms. Wooly-head, because you only see what you
want to see in anybody's posts which offer opinions that differ from yours.
I said :"HAD Hitler not been set on the conquest of Europe......." a hypothetical
circumstance for the sake of argument.
=======================================================================
> 
> >Conspiracies are far easier to control, than they are to uncover. If one
> >simply makes the populace aware of such a conspiracy, then, by definition,
> >the conspiracy can no longer function. That is all that needs to be done. If
> >enough people believe there is a possibility that such a conspiracy exists,
> >and starts looking with a jaundiced eye at the trappings of that conspiracy:
> >media control, the CFR, the Bilderburghers, organized liberalism, etc.
> >then the thing will wither and die on the vine.
> 
> So promulgating the idea of a worldwide Zionist conspiracy achieves the
> goal of making every Jew in the world suspect, and is justifiable even
> though there is no convincing and persuasive evidence that such a
> conspiracy exists.  Every Jewish lawyer, media mogul or public policy
> maven, every Jewish teacher, social activist, banker, bank teller, and
> ditch digger falls under the cloud of suspicion.  And why?  Because, it
> seems, they are Jewish.  Jews who agree are conspiring together against
> the gentile world.  Any difference of opinion among Jews on any
> issue of public concern are conspiring to foment dissension.  Jews are
> not allowed to agree with one another, or to differ from one another.
> Jews are not allowed to be successful in the same realms of activity as
> Walt Disney, Ted Turner, Conrad Black, or George Washington.  A Jew's
> success in these realms is not a tribute to the individual's initiative and
> hard work, but instead is "evidence" of conspiracy.  Whether you like the
> label or not, this is prejudice.
=======================================================================
You people made your own bed with regard to the above. You must stop 
blaming goyim for reacting to your closed society with suspicion and 
bigotry. It is a natural response. You Jews have to change that perception.
No one else can.
======================================================================
> 
> >believe to be the "answer to your question", then you are predjudiced,
> >and a bigot.
> 
> I make every effort I can to base my opinions about individual people
> on the qualities of the individual person, not on their religion, or
> skin colour, or shoe size.  I know that I am not free of any prejudice,
> but I am not a bigot.  If I were, I wouldn't bother to ask you to explain
> aspects of your views to me.
=======================================================================
Fine, I will accept that in principle. However, If you continue to call me a 
Nazi, and continue to post that I believe that the Jews deserved their fate at
the Hitlerites hands, then all will know that you are, indeed, a bigot.

George Graves


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <31026A69.4408@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Laura Finsten wrote:
> > >
> > > George Graves  wrote:
> > > >Laura Finsten wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> George Graves  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >I am not a Nazi. I do not believe that ehat the Nazi's did in WWII
> > > >> >is excusable by any stretch of the concept. What I DO understand
> > > >> >(but again, do not condone) is the motivation behind their actions.
> 
> I'm _sure_ you do understand such "motivations." What I doubt is your
> condemnation of said motivations, despite your "protests" otherwise. You
> evidence a disctinct ideological dichotomy that is far from reassuring.
> 
> Too much "empathasizing," perhaps?
> 
> [snip]
> 

(Lots of rambling, almost incomprehensible gibberish deleted)

> "Batting zero" you say? I think not. Perhaps _you_ should choose a
> different "game," Graves. One where your lies and Nazi apologia aren't so
> transparent and sickening.
> 
> [More of Nazi-boy's garbage snipped]
> 
> > I posted all that I'm am going to post on that matter.
> 
> Which was nothing but putrid racist garbage anyways. Thank you for help
> keeping the environment clean and non-toxic.
> 
> > I believe we have been over this piece of road before. I'll not travel it
> > again.
> 
> Why, the "ride" too rough for you?
> 
> > Thank you for your questions. I hope my answers satisfy you.
> 
> More like making one want to vomit.
> 
> Mark

What is it about you Jews and Jew-trained minions that REQUIRES you
to force everyone who is not a Jew or a Jew sympathizer to ADMIT that
they condone the holocaust? I just went through this with Laura Finste. 
I DO NOT CONDONE THE THE NAZI's and your insistance that I do, is really 
SICK! No wonder you want to vomit! 
Will you not be happy until everybody says "Yeah, I hate Jews, Hitler
shoulda got all the bastards." If everybody does say that Van Alstine, 
what do you win? I'll never say it because I don't believe it. I AM critical
of Jews, yes, but I do not want to see them (or anybody eles) wiped out!

George Graves


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <31026A69.4408@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Laura Finsten wrote:
> > >
> > > George Graves  wrote:
> > > >Laura Finsten wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> George Graves  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >I am not a Nazi. I do not believe that ehat the Nazi's did in WWII
> > > >> >is excusable by any stretch of the concept. What I DO understand
> > > >> >(but again, do not condone) is the motivation behind their actions.
> 
> I'm _sure_ you do understand such "motivations." What I doubt is your
> condemnation of said motivations, despite your "protests" otherwise. You
> evidence a disctinct ideological dichotomy that is far from reassuring.
> 
> Too much "empathasizing," perhaps?
> 
> [snip]
> 

(Lots of rambling, almost incomprehensible gibberish deleted)

> "Batting zero" you say? I think not. Perhaps _you_ should choose a
> different "game," Graves. One where your lies and Nazi apologia aren't so
> transparent and sickening.
> 
> [More of Nazi-boy's garbage snipped]
> 
> > I posted all that I'm am going to post on that matter.
> 
> Which was nothing but putrid racist garbage anyways. Thank you for help
> keeping the environment clean and non-toxic.
> 
> > I believe we have been over this piece of road before. I'll not travel it
> > again.
> 
> Why, the "ride" too rough for you?
> 
> > Thank you for your questions. I hope my answers satisfy you.
> 
> More like making one want to vomit.
> 
> Mark

What is it about you Jews and Jew-trained minions that REQUIRES you
to force everyone who is not a Jew or a Jew sympathizer to ADMIT that
they condone the holocaust? I just went through this with Laura Finsten. 
I DO NOT CONDONE THE THE NAZI's and your insistance that I do, is really 
SICK! No wonder you want to vomit! 
Will you not be happy until everybody says "Yeah, I hate Jews, Hitler
shoulda got all the bastards." If everybody does say that Van Alstine, 
what do you win? I'll never say it because I don't believe it. I AM critical
of Jews, yes, but I do not want to see them (or anybody eles) wiped out!

George Graves


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <31026A69.4408@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Laura Finsten wrote:
> > >
> > > George Graves  wrote:
> > > >Laura Finsten wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> George Graves  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >I am not a Nazi. I do not believe that ehat the Nazi's did in WWII
> > > >> >is excusable by any stretch of the concept. What I DO understand
> > > >> >(but again, do not condone) is the motivation behind their actions.
> 
> I'm _sure_ you do understand such "motivations." What I doubt is your
> condemnation of said motivations, despite your "protests" otherwise. You
> evidence a disctinct ideological dichotomy that is far from reassuring.
> 
> Too much "empathasizing," perhaps?
> 
> [snip]
> 

(Lots of rambling, almost incomprehensible gibberish deleted)

> "Batting zero" you say? I think not. Perhaps _you_ should choose a
> different "game," Graves. One where your lies and Nazi apologia aren't so
> transparent and sickening.
> 
> [More of Nazi-boy's garbage snipped]
> 
> > I posted all that I'm am going to post on that matter.
> 
> Which was nothing but putrid racist garbage anyways. Thank you for help
> keeping the environment clean and non-toxic.
> 
> > I believe we have been over this piece of road before. I'll not travel it
> > again.
> 
> Why, the "ride" too rough for you?
> 
> > Thank you for your questions. I hope my answers satisfy you.
> 
> More like making one want to vomit.
> 
> Mark

What is it about you Jews and Jew-trained minions that REQUIRES you
to force everyone who is not a Jew or a Jew sympathizer to ADMIT that
they condone the holocaust? I just went through this with Laura Finsten. 
I DO NOT CONDONE THE THE NAZIS and your insistance that I do, is really 
SICK! No wonder you want to vomit! 
Will you not be happy until everybody says "Yeah, I hate Jews, Hitler
shoulda got all the bastards." If everybody does say that Van Alstine, 
what do you win? I'll never say it because I don't believe it. I AM critical
of Jews, yes, but I do not want to see them (or anybody eles) wiped out!

George Graves


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <31026A69.4408@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Laura Finsten wrote:
> > >
> > > George Graves  wrote:
> > > >Laura Finsten wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> George Graves  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >I am not a Nazi. I do not believe that ehat the Nazi's did in WWII
> > > >> >is excusable by any stretch of the concept. What I DO understand
> > > >> >(but again, do not condone) is the motivation behind their actions.
> 
> I'm _sure_ you do understand such "motivations." What I doubt is your
> condemnation of said motivations, despite your "protests" otherwise. You
> evidence a disctinct ideological dichotomy that is far from reassuring.
> 
> Too much "empathasizing," perhaps?
> 
> [snip]
> 

(Lots of rambling, almost incomprehensible gibberish deleted)

> "Batting zero" you say? I think not. Perhaps _you_ should choose a
> different "game," Graves. One where your lies and Nazi apologia aren't so
> transparent and sickening.
> 
> [More of Nazi-boy's garbage snipped]
> 
> > I posted all that I'm am going to post on that matter.
> 
> Which was nothing but putrid racist garbage anyways. Thank you for help
> keeping the environment clean and non-toxic.
> 
> > I believe we have been over this piece of road before. I'll not travel it
> > again.
> 
> Why, the "ride" too rough for you?
> 
> > Thank you for your questions. I hope my answers satisfy you.
> 
> More like making one want to vomit.
> 
> Mark

What is it about you Jews and Jew-trained minions that REQUIRES you
to force everyone who is not a Jew or a Jew sympathizer to ADMIT that
they condone the holocaust? I just went through this with Laura Finsten. 
I DO NOT CONDONE THE THE NAZIS and your insistance that I do, is really 
SICK! No wonder you want to vomit! 
Will you not be happy until everybody says "Yeah, I hate Jews, Hitler
shoulda got all the bastards." If everybody does say that Van Alstine, 
what do you win? I'll never say it because I don't believe it. I AM critical
of Jews, yes, but I do not want to see them (or anybody eles) wiped out!

George Graves


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Brian O'Sullivan wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, George Graves wrote:
> 
> > Brian O'Sullivan wrote:
> > >
> > > > william c anderson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > No excuse whatsoever.  Even if your litany of crimes is true, and
> > > > > even if every one of these crimes was committed by a black man, and
> > > > > even if every black man living in your neighborhood is a criminal,
> > > > > you still have no excuse for blaming these deeds on the entire black
> > > > > race.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > >
> > > In fact, if all the crimes in your neighborhood were indeed committed by
> > > black males, why not blame males in general instead of blacks in
> > > general?  This is the problem with your reasoning; you're generalizing
> > > based upon race yet again.
> > >
> > >
> > > Brian O'Sullivan
> >
> > Wait a minute, Frank clearly stated that these were BLACK crimes
> > committed by black males. Why would he want to blame all males?
> 
> What?  What does that mean?  "BLACK crimes"?  As opposed to, what,
> white-collar crimes or something?  Frank clearly stated that there were
> crimes in his neighborhood, and all of them were (he thinks) committed by
> black males.  From this, he attempts to explain his belief system, which
> is basically that blacks, and black males in particular, are scum.  My
> point was that he could just have easily blamed all _males_ instead of
> blaming _blacks_.  Got it?
> 
> > Its not ALL MALES who have one-in-three of their 15-35 year olds
> > involved in the criminal justice system. Its not ALL MALES in which
> > one-forth of their entire male population is either in prison, have
> > been in prison, or, are on their way to prison. Its BLACK MALES.
> > These are not my labels, or Frank's lables, these are statistics
> > from the US Department of Justice who singles out black crime.
> 
> Yeah, whatever.  What percentage of violent crimes are committed by
> males?  I don't know myself, of course--I've never done any research on
> the subject.  However, since you seem so familiar with the Justice
> Department's files, maybe you can answer . . . what is it, 80%? 90%?
===================================================================
Those figures were posted here just a few weeks ago by someone else.
Does anyone still have them? Could you repost them?
===================================================================

> It's not BLACK WOMEN who commit all those crimes, so why does Frank (and,
> presumably, you as well) find them offensive?
> 
> > So doing what you advocate would be a lie, now wouldn't it? And
> > what good would that do anybody?
> 
> Did you read my post before responding, or is this just a knee-jerk
> Pavlovian response?  When did I say I was "advocating" anything?  I'm
> just pointing out the errors in Frank's logic (for want of a better term).
> 
=================================================================
You were advocating blaming ALL males for high crime rates. You said:
"why not blame males in general instead of blacks in general". I did read
your post. I think you had best go back and re-read it yourself before 
getting all puffed up like a toad.

George Graves
=================================================================


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Wandering wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : Mi\cheil wrote:
> : > George, we trampled these grapes before.  If there IS a conspiracy,
> : > it's the slowest conspiracy in the history of mankind. According to
> : > your historical review, the Jews started planning it back in the 1880s
> : > or thereabouts.  World War I came and went, Germany changed
> : > governments several times, settling finally for the Nazis; the Commies
> : > set up shop in Russia, World War II came and went, the Nazis, the
> : > Commies, the British Empire all  went down the tubes, etc, etc, etc.
> : >
> : > George, what are these people WAITING for? A sign from Heaven?
> : >
> : > Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> : > druidh/duine-uasail
> 
> : The Eternal Jew has all the time in the world. And its 2000 years, not
> : "since 1880" (1892, actually).
> 
> Hey George, does any of this look familiar?
> 
> Paranoid Disorder Diagnostic Criteria from DSM IV, published 1980 by the
> American Psychiatric Association (pp 111-112):
> 
> "A: Persistent persecutory delusions or delusional jealousy.
> "B. Emotion and behavior appropriate to the content of the delusional system.
> "C. Duration of illness of at least one week.
> "D. None of the symptoms of criterion A of Schizophrenia (p. 103), such as
> bizzare delusions, incoherence, or marked loosening of associations.
> "E. No prominent hallucinations.
> "F. The full depressive or manic syndrome...is either not present, developed
> after any psychotic symptoms, or was brief in duration relative to the
> duration of the psychotic symptoms.
> "G. Not due to an Organic Mental Disorder.
> 
> "297.10 Paranoia Diagnostic Criteria.
> "A. Meets the criteria for Paranoid Disorder (above).
> "B. A chronic and stable persecutory delusional system of at least six
> months' duration.
> "C. Does not meet the criteria for Shared Paranoid Disorder (below).
> 
> "297.30 Shared Paranoid Disorder Diagnostic Criteria.
> "A. Meets the criteria for Paranoid Disorder (p. 111).
> "B. Delusional system develops as a result of a close friendship with
> another person or persons who have an established paranoid psychotic
> disorder.

I repeat, Yes. It is a perfect description of you and your fellow travelers.


George Graves
> 
> 1) What do you define as the "White Race"?
> 2) Why are you afraid of people who don't fit that definition?
> 3) How are your beliefs different from clinical paranoia?
> 4) Why are you evading these questions?
> 
> -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =
> nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu -- Flame mail will be gleefully posted and
> dissected in front of 20,000,000 people. Thanks in advance.


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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: EXISTANCE OF A SO-CALLED JEWISH CONSPIRACY
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Wandering wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : Mi\cheil wrote:
> : > George, we trampled these grapes before.  If there IS a conspiracy,
> : > it's the slowest conspiracy in the history of mankind. According to
> : > your historical review, the Jews started planning it back in the 1880s
> : > or thereabouts.  World War I came and went, Germany changed
> : > governments several times, settling finally for the Nazis; the Commies
> : > set up shop in Russia, World War II came and went, the Nazis, the
> : > Commies, the British Empire all  went down the tubes, etc, etc, etc.
> : >
> : > George, what are these people WAITING for? A sign from Heaven?
> : >
> : > Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> : > druidh/duine-uasail
> 
> : The Eternal Jew has all the time in the world. And its 2000 years, not
> : "since 1880" (1892, actually).
> 
> Hey George, does any of this look familiar?
> 
> Paranoid Disorder Diagnostic Criteria from DSM IV, published 1980 by the
> American Psychiatric Association (pp 111-112):
> 
> "A: Persistent persecutory delusions or delusional jealousy.
> "B. Emotion and behavior appropriate to the content of the delusional system.
> "C. Duration of illness of at least one week.
> "D. None of the symptoms of criterion A of Schizophrenia (p. 103), such as
> bizzare delusions, incoherence, or marked loosening of associations.
> "E. No prominent hallucinations.
> "F. The full depressive or manic syndrome...is either not present, developed
> after any psychotic symptoms, or was brief in duration relative to the
> duration of the psychotic symptoms.
> "G. Not due to an Organic Mental Disorder.
> 
> "297.10 Paranoia Diagnostic Criteria.
> "A. Meets the criteria for Paranoid Disorder (above).
> "B. A chronic and stable persecutory delusional system of at least six
> months' duration.
> "C. Does not meet the criteria for Shared Paranoid Disorder (below).
> 
> "297.30 Shared Paranoid Disorder Diagnostic Criteria.
> "A. Meets the criteria for Paranoid Disorder (p. 111).
> "B. Delusional system develops as a result of a close friendship with
> another person or persons who have an established paranoid psychotic
> disorder.

I repeat, Yes. It is a perfect description of you and your fellow travelers.


George Graves
> 
> 1) What do you define as the "White Race"?
> 2) Why are you afraid of people who don't fit that definition?
> 3) How are your beliefs different from clinical paranoia?
> 4) Why are you evading these questions?
> 
> -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =
> nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu -- Flame mail will be gleefully posted and
> dissected in front of 20,000,000 people. Thanks in advance.


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Wandering wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : Mi\cheil wrote:
> : > George, we trampled these grapes before.  If there IS a conspiracy,
> : > it's the slowest conspiracy in the history of mankind. According to
> : > your historical review, the Jews started planning it back in the 1880s
> : > or thereabouts.  World War I came and went, Germany changed
> : > governments several times, settling finally for the Nazis; the Commies
> : > set up shop in Russia, World War II came and went, the Nazis, the
> : > Commies, the British Empire all  went down the tubes, etc, etc, etc.
> : >
> : > George, what are these people WAITING for? A sign from Heaven?
> : >
> : > Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> : > druidh/duine-uasail
> 
> : The Eternal Jew has all the time in the world. And its 2000 years, not
> : "since 1880" (1892, actually).
> 
> Hey George, does any of this look familiar?
> 
> Paranoid Disorder Diagnostic Criteria from DSM IV, published 1980 by the
> American Psychiatric Association (pp 111-112):
> 
> "A: Persistent persecutory delusions or delusional jealousy.
> "B. Emotion and behavior appropriate to the content of the delusional system.
> "C. Duration of illness of at least one week.
> "D. None of the symptoms of criterion A of Schizophrenia (p. 103), such as
> bizzare delusions, incoherence, or marked loosening of associations.
> "E. No prominent hallucinations.
> "F. The full depressive or manic syndrome...is either not present, developed
> after any psychotic symptoms, or was brief in duration relative to the
> duration of the psychotic symptoms.
> "G. Not due to an Organic Mental Disorder.
> 
> "297.10 Paranoia Diagnostic Criteria.
> "A. Meets the criteria for Paranoid Disorder (above).
> "B. A chronic and stable persecutory delusional system of at least six
> months' duration.
> "C. Does not meet the criteria for Shared Paranoid Disorder (below).
> 
> "297.30 Shared Paranoid Disorder Diagnostic Criteria.
> "A. Meets the criteria for Paranoid Disorder (p. 111).
> "B. Delusional system develops as a result of a close friendship with
> another person or persons who have an established paranoid psychotic
> disorder.

I repeat, Yes. It is a perfect description of you and your fellow travelers.


George Graves
> 
> 1) What do you define as the "White Race"?
> 2) Why are you afraid of people who don't fit that definition?
> 3) How are your beliefs different from clinical paranoia?
> 4) Why are you evading these questions?
> 
> -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =
> nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu -- Flame mail will be gleefully posted and
> dissected in front of 20,000,000 people. Thanks in advance.


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Thu Jan 25 08:58:00 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: EXISTANCE OF A SO-CALLED JEWISH CONSPIRACY
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Wandering wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : Mi\cheil wrote:
> : > George, we trampled these grapes before.  If there IS a conspiracy,
> : > it's the slowest conspiracy in the history of mankind. According to
> : > your historical review, the Jews started planning it back in the 1880s
> : > or thereabouts.  World War I came and went, Germany changed
> : > governments several times, settling finally for the Nazis; the Commies
> : > set up shop in Russia, World War II came and went, the Nazis, the
> : > Commies, the British Empire all  went down the tubes, etc, etc, etc.
> : >
> : > George, what are these people WAITING for? A sign from Heaven?
> : >
> : > Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> : > druidh/duine-uasail
> 
> : The Eternal Jew has all the time in the world. And its 2000 years, not
> : "since 1880" (1892, actually).
> 
> Hey George, does any of this look familiar?
> 
> Paranoid Disorder Diagnostic Criteria from DSM IV, published 1980 by the
> American Psychiatric Association (pp 111-112):
> 
> "A: Persistent persecutory delusions or delusional jealousy.
> "B. Emotion and behavior appropriate to the content of the delusional system.
> "C. Duration of illness of at least one week.
> "D. None of the symptoms of criterion A of Schizophrenia (p. 103), such as
> bizzare delusions, incoherence, or marked loosening of associations.
> "E. No prominent hallucinations.
> "F. The full depressive or manic syndrome...is either not present, developed
> after any psychotic symptoms, or was brief in duration relative to the
> duration of the psychotic symptoms.
> "G. Not due to an Organic Mental Disorder.
> 
> "297.10 Paranoia Diagnostic Criteria.
> "A. Meets the criteria for Paranoid Disorder (above).
> "B. A chronic and stable persecutory delusional system of at least six
> months' duration.
> "C. Does not meet the criteria for Shared Paranoid Disorder (below).
> 
> "297.30 Shared Paranoid Disorder Diagnostic Criteria.
> "A. Meets the criteria for Paranoid Disorder (p. 111).
> "B. Delusional system develops as a result of a close friendship with
> another person or persons who have an established paranoid psychotic
> disorder.

I repeat, Yes. It is a perfect description of you and your fellow travelers.


George Graves
> 
> 1) What do you define as the "White Race"?
> 2) Why are you afraid of people who don't fit that definition?
> 3) How are your beliefs different from clinical paranoia?
> 4) Why are you evading these questions?
> 
> -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =
> nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu -- Flame mail will be gleefully posted and
> dissected in front of 20,000,000 people. Thanks in advance.


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Thu Jan 25 08:58:01 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: EXISTANCE OF A SO-CALLED JEWISH CONSPIRACY
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Wandering wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : Mi\cheil wrote:
> : > George, we trampled these grapes before.  If there IS a conspiracy,
> : > it's the slowest conspiracy in the history of mankind. According to
> : > your historical review, the Jews started planning it back in the 1880s
> : > or thereabouts.  World War I came and went, Germany changed
> : > governments several times, settling finally for the Nazis; the Commies
> : > set up shop in Russia, World War II came and went, the Nazis, the
> : > Commies, the British Empire all  went down the tubes, etc, etc, etc.
> : >
> : > George, what are these people WAITING for? A sign from Heaven?
> : >
> : > Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> : > druidh/duine-uasail
> 
> : The Eternal Jew has all the time in the world. And its 2000 years, not
> : "since 1880" (1892, actually).
> 
> Hey George, does any of this look familiar?
> 
> Paranoid Disorder Diagnostic Criteria from DSM IV, published 1980 by the
> American Psychiatric Association (pp 111-112):
> 
> "A: Persistent persecutory delusions or delusional jealousy.
> "B. Emotion and behavior appropriate to the content of the delusional system.
> "C. Duration of illness of at least one week.
> "D. None of the symptoms of criterion A of Schizophrenia (p. 103), such as
> bizzare delusions, incoherence, or marked loosening of associations.
> "E. No prominent hallucinations.
> "F. The full depressive or manic syndrome...is either not present, developed
> after any psychotic symptoms, or was brief in duration relative to the
> duration of the psychotic symptoms.
> "G. Not due to an Organic Mental Disorder.
> 
> "297.10 Paranoia Diagnostic Criteria.
> "A. Meets the criteria for Paranoid Disorder (above).
> "B. A chronic and stable persecutory delusional system of at least six
> months' duration.
> "C. Does not meet the criteria for Shared Paranoid Disorder (below).
> 
> "297.30 Shared Paranoid Disorder Diagnostic Criteria.
> "A. Meets the criteria for Paranoid Disorder (p. 111).
> "B. Delusional system develops as a result of a close friendship with
> another person or persons who have an established paranoid psychotic
> disorder.

I repeat, Yes. It is a perfect description of you and your fellow travelers.


George Graves
> 
> 1) What do you define as the "White Race"?
> 2) Why are you afraid of people who don't fit that definition?
> 3) How are your beliefs different from clinical paranoia?
> 4) Why are you evading these questions?
> 
> -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =
> nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu -- Flame mail will be gleefully posted and
> dissected in front of 20,000,000 people. Thanks in advance.


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Thu Jan 25 08:58:02 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: EXISTANCE OF A SO-CALLED JEWISH CONSPIRACY
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Wandering wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : Mi\cheil wrote:
> : > George, we trampled these grapes before.  If there IS a conspiracy,
> : > it's the slowest conspiracy in the history of mankind. According to
> : > your historical review, the Jews started planning it back in the 1880s
> : > or thereabouts.  World War I came and went, Germany changed
> : > governments several times, settling finally for the Nazis; the Commies
> : > set up shop in Russia, World War II came and went, the Nazis, the
> : > Commies, the British Empire all  went down the tubes, etc, etc, etc.
> : >
> : > George, what are these people WAITING for? A sign from Heaven?
> : >
> : > Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> : > druidh/duine-uasail
> 
> : The Eternal Jew has all the time in the world. And its 2000 years, not
> : "since 1880" (1892, actually).
> 
> Hey George, does any of this look familiar?
> 
> Paranoid Disorder Diagnostic Criteria from DSM IV, published 1980 by the
> American Psychiatric Association (pp 111-112):
> 
> "A: Persistent persecutory delusions or delusional jealousy.
> "B. Emotion and behavior appropriate to the content of the delusional system.
> "C. Duration of illness of at least one week.
> "D. None of the symptoms of criterion A of Schizophrenia (p. 103), such as
> bizzare delusions, incoherence, or marked loosening of associations.
> "E. No prominent hallucinations.
> "F. The full depressive or manic syndrome...is either not present, developed
> after any psychotic symptoms, or was brief in duration relative to the
> duration of the psychotic symptoms.
> "G. Not due to an Organic Mental Disorder.
> 
> "297.10 Paranoia Diagnostic Criteria.
> "A. Meets the criteria for Paranoid Disorder (above).
> "B. A chronic and stable persecutory delusional system of at least six
> months' duration.
> "C. Does not meet the criteria for Shared Paranoid Disorder (below).
> 
> "297.30 Shared Paranoid Disorder Diagnostic Criteria.
> "A. Meets the criteria for Paranoid Disorder (p. 111).
> "B. Delusional system develops as a result of a close friendship with
> another person or persons who have an established paranoid psychotic
> disorder.

I repeat, Yes. It is a perfect description of you and your fellow travelers.


George Graves
> 
> 1) What do you define as the "White Race"?
> 2) Why are you afraid of people who don't fit that definition?
> 3) How are your beliefs different from clinical paranoia?
> 4) Why are you evading these questions?
> 
> -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =
> nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu -- Flame mail will be gleefully posted and
> dissected in front of 20,000,000 people. Thanks in advance.


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Wandering wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : Mi\cheil wrote:
> : > George, we trampled these grapes before.  If there IS a conspiracy,
> : > it's the slowest conspiracy in the history of mankind. According to
> : > your historical review, the Jews started planning it back in the 1880s
> : > or thereabouts.  World War I came and went, Germany changed
> : > governments several times, settling finally for the Nazis; the Commies
> : > set up shop in Russia, World War II came and went, the Nazis, the
> : > Commies, the British Empire all  went down the tubes, etc, etc, etc.
> : >
> : > George, what are these people WAITING for? A sign from Heaven?
> : >
> : > Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> : > druidh/duine-uasail
> 
> : The Eternal Jew has all the time in the world. And its 2000 years, not
> : "since 1880" (1892, actually).
> 
> Hey George, does any of this look familiar?
> 
> Paranoid Disorder Diagnostic Criteria from DSM IV, published 1980 by the
> American Psychiatric Association (pp 111-112):
> 
> "A: Persistent persecutory delusions or delusional jealousy.
> "B. Emotion and behavior appropriate to the content of the delusional system.
> "C. Duration of illness of at least one week.
> "D. None of the symptoms of criterion A of Schizophrenia (p. 103), such as
> bizzare delusions, incoherence, or marked loosening of associations.
> "E. No prominent hallucinations.
> "F. The full depressive or manic syndrome...is either not present, developed
> after any psychotic symptoms, or was brief in duration relative to the
> duration of the psychotic symptoms.
> "G. Not due to an Organic Mental Disorder.
> 
> "297.10 Paranoia Diagnostic Criteria.
> "A. Meets the criteria for Paranoid Disorder (above).
> "B. A chronic and stable persecutory delusional system of at least six
> months' duration.
> "C. Does not meet the criteria for Shared Paranoid Disorder (below).
> 
> "297.30 Shared Paranoid Disorder Diagnostic Criteria.
> "A. Meets the criteria for Paranoid Disorder (p. 111).
> "B. Delusional system develops as a result of a close friendship with
> another person or persons who have an established paranoid psychotic
> disorder.

I repeat, Yes. It is a perfect description of you and your fellow travelers.


George Graves
> 
> 1) What do you define as the "White Race"?
> 2) Why are you afraid of people who don't fit that definition?
> 3) How are your beliefs different from clinical paranoia?
> 4) Why are you evading these questions?
> 
> -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =
> nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu -- Flame mail will be gleefully posted and
> dissected in front of 20,000,000 people. Thanks in advance.


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Graves' Horse Beating Continues
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Harry Katz wrote:
> 
> In article <3102CF10.3602@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) whines:
> 
>         Anyone who wants to can convert to the Hebraic faith and
>         become a religious Jew (so I'm told).  The cultural and racial
>         part is a little harder though. Sammy Davis may have converted
>         to Judaism, but he was still a negro.
> 
> Once again, Mr. Graves puts his foot in his mouth while trying to
> prove his point.  Sammy Davis is both a Jew and a Negro, proving that
> Jewishness is not a racial quality.  Mr. Gravesd is trying to say
> that Sammy Davis is both a Jew and yet not a Jew -- which is nothing
> more than semantic double-talk.
> 
> Mr. Graves also ignores the larger issue.  If Negroes by definition
> cannot be Jews, why did Israel, with financial assistance from the
> world Jewish community, take the trouble to liberate thousands of
> Ethiopian Jews and accept them into the Israeli Jewish community?
> 
>         Like I have said before, not all Jews follow the Hebraic faith,
>         and not all of those of the Hebraic faith are necessarily Jews.
> 
> Mr. Graves has it wrong again.  True, "not all Jews follow the
> Hebraic faith," but all who follow the faith are indeed Jews!
> 
> --
> Harry Katz

Are you trying to tell me that a man named Shapiro ceases to be
a Jew if he converts to Christianity? What a load of horseshit!
Nice convenient world you live in Mr, Katz. The real one is not
so convenient.

George Graves


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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> In , t08o@unb.ca said:
> 
> >To be fair I believe I have also seen it spelled "Okhrana" in a number of
> >places, none of them scholarly papers or works mind you, but not books
> >that would be classified as revisionist or denier material either.  I
> >can't recall any of the titles offhand but I do know that one of them was
> > describing the "Protocols" hoax and mentioned that the probable
> >perpetrators were members of the "Okhrana".
> 
> FWIW, it's spelled "Ochrana" in the index to Konrad Heiden's _Der Fuehrer_.
> 
> --
> Gord McFee
> 
> .. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
> -- MR/2 2.26 #331
> 
> 
It seems to me that since we are translating this word from the Cyrillic,
it must be done phonetically. Whether one used Och or Ok, or Okh, the 
resultant pronunciation would be the same. Lots of words which are 
originally Cyrillic have alternative spellings. Tsar, Csar, Czar has already
been mentioned. I have seen the name Tchaikovsky spelled several 
different ways. The first part of Okrana would not, then, be that
important, but the K at the end or lack of it would be. Many on this NG
have seen it spelled without the 'ka' on the end. I've only seen it spelled
Okrana. Lets just agree that either could be correct and go on to more
important matters.

George Graves


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Frank Weltner wrote:
> =

> :One day Weltner you will stand before your maker and answer for your
> :personal crime of vilification of people for no reason other than their
> :race and/or national origin  Judgment day cometh for you, just as it did=

> :for Robert Ley.
> =

> :James W. White
> :Fr=F6hliches Weihnachten und ein Gl=FCckliches Neues Jahr
> :Zu den guten Deutschen Leuten und Kultur Friede, Liebt und Verst=E4ndnis=
=2E
> :
> I don't think so. In my younger days, I registered blacks in Mississippi.=

> Now, after 54 years of life, I have noticed that these people have
> destroyed every major US city, destroying neighborhood after neighborhood=
,
> block by block, house by house, project by project. There is no new low t=
o
> which they have not already descended. Anyone watching the daily NEWS wit=
h
> pictures of African Americans who have murdered people or been shot that
> day understands full well that African Americans are a criminal,
> anti-social, and stupid element in our society; they are the contrary to
> all our assumptions about all men being equal, because they are not. Full=
y
> 60% of them are feeble-minded or below, 15% are moronic or below, only 16=
%
> are smarter than 50% of the whites, and 2.3% above 115 IQ, the lowest
> amount necessary for a college degree at a small, easy college.
> =

> I have nothing to be ashamed about. Am I supposed to just sit back for th=
e
> next 30 years and have the blacks tear out the suburbs they way they have=

> torn out the heart of the cities in my country? And for what? For
> liberalism? For integration? What good are these things when the people
> don't fit the equality mythos upon which such a society must be based?
> They don't and they never will. Their history is one of zero civilization=
,
> high incivility, brutality, laziness, and slavery brought about at their
> own hands in Africa and then sold to Europeans.
> =

> I will fair very well. I gave African Americans the chance, but they have=

> muffed it. They have proven themselves unworthy of membership in our
> society without some corrections to make certain they don't destroy
> another white community ever again. Humane changes in law will be
> necessary to protect us against these excesses of integration which have
> abused us to the maximum.
> =

> By the way, Jame W. White. You are quite naive. You paint with a broad
> brush laden with generalizations and liberalities.
> =

> (It was so easy.)


Well put Frank!. I too marched in support of blacks in the early '60s. I =

was a viralent pro-civil rights type. I even alienated some friends and
some members of my parent's families over the subject (One of my mom's
sisters threw me out of her house when I was 18 because I said that
blacks were as good as she. She never spoke to me again the rest of her
life). So I gave the people more than a fair chance to show the stuff of
which they were made. And they showed me, oh boy and how! I think it =

was the Watts and DC riots in the late sixties which started to turn the
tide for me. They have done nothing in the ensuing quarter-century to =

show me any light at the end of the tunnel. IOW, no progress has been
made by these people AT ALL! They still, after decades of Affirmative
Action, can't get decent jobs, they still won't, even after total school
integration (we were told that lack of decent schools is what was =

keeping blacks down), get a decent education. All that has happened on
that front is now ALL public schools are as bad as only the blacks schools
USED to be. How much more of our time and resources are we supposed to
waste on these people before we give up?

George Graves


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Wandering wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : It figures that you Jews would look up to a Bolshevik, since Marxism is
> : a Jewish invention. Do you also consider Beria one of your finest?
> 
> I don't know, was he Jewish?
> 
> George, I'm curious -- by your logic Marxism is a Jewish invention since
> Marx was Jewish. Does this mean that anything invented by a member of a
> group represents that group?
> 
> -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =
> nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu -- Flame mail will be gleefully posted and
> dissected in front of 20,000,000 people. Thanks in advance

.
 Not always, and don't be ridiculous.

George Graves


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <31011CAF.4C9E@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <30FEDF3C.A0@aimnet.com>, George Graves
>  wrote:
> > >


A lot of deleted horseshit, because your time is as valuable as mine.


> > > Better get used to it, Nazi-boy.
> > ====================================================================
> > Once again Mr. Van Alstine, I am not a Nazi. I do not believe in National
> > Socialism (or any other kind of socialism for that matter, unlike you and
> > your fellow travelers).
> > ====================================================================
> 
> Another grave error! What makes you think the Nazis were Socialists?
> Simply because there is a "Socialist" in NSDAP? How naive you are, Graves.
> Also you seem to be unaware of the dichotomy of your statement. The Nazi
====================================================================
I'M NAIVE! I just stated that I was not in favor of National Socialism or
ANY other kind of socialism, and you accuse me of not knowing the 
difference between NSDP form of "socialism" and the kind practised by
Communists and liberal governmnets the world over. I don't give you any
points for reading comprehension, Van Alstine.
====================================================================
> were _fascists_. Fascism is not Socialism. Especially racial fascism as
> practised by the Nazis. Please, Graves, humor me- _educate_ yourself on
> what you talk about before you speak!
> 
> This, of course, raises the issue that since the Nazis _weren't_
> Socialists, and didn't practise Soaciism, what _did_ they espouse and
> practise? Why, some of the very same things _you_ do, Graves! I must say,
> what a "coincidense!"
> 
> >I do not believe in killing people. I do not believe in denying anyone
> their >rights or in having mine abrogated (again, unlike  some of your
> fellow
> >travelers).
> 
> Really? But you said in: article <31026A69.4408@aimnet.com>, George Graves
> , in speaking about the Jews under the Nazis:
> 
> "They, like anyone else, need to be responsible for their actions, and if
> their actions break the laws of the countries they inhabit, then, like
> anyone else, the need to be punished for that."
====================================================================
I have some heart-breaking news for you, Jew boy (in spirit, if not in fact): 
HITLER IS DEAD. THERE IS NO NAZI PARTY IN POWER ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
We are (at least I am) talking in the earlier statement about Today's world.
And in the second statement I was talking about the Europe of the 1930s.
Quoting people out of context can make even a saint seem a sinner, and
doesn't advance your argument one iota.
====================================================================== 
> 
> And didn't Jews, under the Nazis, have their rights "abrogated," by the
> simple fact of _being_ Jews, via the "law?" (Not to mention their
> _lives_.) Yet you defended the Nazis. And here you you don't believe in
> such. Yet another dichotomy, Graves. Do you always contradict yourself so?
> 
> Perhaps _now_ do you understand why what you say is not taken at face
> value? You are a  person who says whatever is expediant to "cover" your
> vile beliefs to make yourself more "palatable." Just like the Nazis did.
=======================================================================
Again, its hard to take anything at face value when quotes are taken out of 
context.
=======================================================================
> 
> > I believe in a free country for whites, where Jews have not the power to
> carry out their subrosa machinations.
> 
> If you deny others their Rights, such a country is not a free one,
> Nazi-boy. I will _not_ tolerate any attempts to do so in _this_ country.
> History has shown that once started down that slippery slope, destruction
> lies at the bottom.
=======================================================================
Oh, mindless one, nobody has to take any rights away from the Jews to
accomplish that.
=======================================================================
> 
> > No one needs to be killed for this to happen. Jews only need to be exposed
> > and nonwhites repatriated.
> 
> The Nazis, at first, said the same thing. The world has seen where _that_
> led to: the gas-chambers and roving killing squads. You tread down a
> well-worn path, Nazi-boy. A path paved with deaths of millions.
> 
> > I also believe that this country already exists
> > and is called the United States of America.
> 
> That this country is a free country for whites? Yes. But it _also_, a free
> country for all others. Even if they are _not_ white.
> 
> > A country which used to  be the most powerful country on earth, with the
> > highest standard of living for its citizens.
> 
> Used to be? ROFL! My, you _do_ have a peculiar "understanding" of things!
> This country _is_ the most powerful country, in all respects, that _ever_
> existed. The wellspring of that power is our plurality, rights, and
> freedoms. Things _you_ wish to do away with, and, once taken away, would
> doom us and perhaps the world, to the rule of tyrants. Another Dark Age.
> No thanks, I'll pass on that!
========================================================================
Yeah, a dark ages like we went through during the war years and throughout the 
fifties. If that's the dark ages I'll take it any day of the week compared to what
we have now!
========================================================================
> 
> > A country hewn from a wilderness by white people using
> > only the sweat of their brows, and the power of their intellect.
> 
> And let's not forget on the backs of slaves and coolies, and from the
> lands of the Indians.
=======================================================================
I haven't forgotten them, I've ignored them. They have contributed nothing!
=======================================================================
> 
> > That country is, in my opinion, in grave perile.
> 
> "Your" country, if I understand you correctly, never existed. It is
> nothing more than a "idyllic" fantasy in your warped mind. Let's all hope
> it stays that way. At least then medication may be prescribed to allievate
> your problem.
========================================================================
It used to exist. I lived there and so did Frank Weltner and Les Griswold
(in the Canadian version). The problem with most of you multiculturalists 
is that you never lived in this country when it was the real America, you 
are too young to remember it. But had you lived there, you might be singing
a different tune now.
======================================================================== 
> 
> [ a bunch of xenophobic drivel snipped]
> 
> > I just want to fix these problems.
> 
> Well, Graves, your "cure" is far worse than the "disease" could ever be.
> ("Gee, doctor, the operation was a success, but the patient died.
> Bummer.")
========================================================================
That's a matter of opinion. I happen to believe that this disease is fatal.
Any cure would be better than the agony in which this society now writhes.
========================================================================
> 
> > If this makes me a nasty racist, I'll cop to it, but don't call me a
> Nazi just
> > because ONE of Nazi-isms traits was racism.
> 
> No, Graves, you aren't, at least by me,  being called a Nazi _just_
> because you are a racist. You're being called a Nazi because you are a
> racist _and_ an anti-Semite who parrots Nazi ideology.
=======================================================================
And you sir are an idiot who is selling his birthright down the river. Let the 
horrors to come in the next century be on your head. I hope you are young enough
to live to see the flowers of the seeds you plant. Your brave new world is a sad one,
you won't believe the starvation and privation you will see in this country before
the next century is very old. When it happens, Van Alstine remember, its all your
fault! I'm glad I won't be around to see it. Its not for me.
As for being a Nazi. I resent being called one in the strongest way. I do not 
advocate killing people and I condem the holocaust. I do care that you don't
believe me, but there is nothing I can do about it. I will, however, refuse
to answer any more posts by you on this subject. 

George Graves
======================================================================== 
> Mark
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> right through every human heart--and all human hearts."
> 
> -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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Wandering wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> : > J.P. Morganthau?  :::snicker::: (And you seemed _sooo_ positive too!)
> : >
> : > And you _really_ expect people to take you seriously?  Not a chance.
> 
> : Yeah, I got 'em mixed up. I meant Henry Morganthau (Sr.) when I said
> : J.P. Morgan. Old age working on the memory, you know.
> 
> I see. How do you know that the rest of your arguments aren't equally
> faulty? (Trick question: you don't, but we do.)
> 
> -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =
> nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu -- Flame mail will be gleefully posted and
> dissected in front of 20,000,000 people. Thanks in advance.

Because you don't know ANYTHING!

George Graves


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Martin Fox wrote:
> 
> Gravsey, even your computer is stuttering in fear of our conspiracy.  I find five
> copies of the same message.  Try to calm yourself and yuor computer!
> 
> Martin Fox
 That's the net hiccuping, not me. It keeps telling me that the server
isn't accepting messages and that I should try again later. So I try it 
again. What happens though, is sometimes the message gets sent in
SPITE of what the error message says. I have no way to know.

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Thu Jan 25 08:58:11 PST 1996
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From: George Graves 
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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <310568B7.6D23@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> [Nazi-boy's rancid effluence snipped for envoronmental safety]
> 
> > I DO NOT CONDONE THE THE NAZI's and your insistance that I do, is really
> > SICK! No wonder you want to vomit!
> 
> Graves, in article <31026A69.4408@aimnet.com>, speaking about the Jews
> under the Nazis, you said:
> 
> "They [Jews], like anyone else, need to be responsible for their actions,
> and if their actions break the laws of the countries [Nazi Germany] they
> inhabit, then, like anyone else, the need to be punished for that."
> 
> Here you evidence support for the laws that Nazis contrived to persecute
> (and later murder) the Jews under. You "ignore" that these laws were
> _unjust_ by any standards held by Western Civilization. You evidence
> belief that the _Jews_ were at fault for "breaking" Nazi "laws" that were
> _designed_ to be "broken" by the Jews without their complicity. That is
> why you make people, or me at least, want to vomit: Your insane
> rationalizations are sickening.
> 
> > Will you not be happy until everybody says "Yeah, I hate Jews, Hitler
> > shoulda got all the bastards."
> 
> No, imbecile, I will be happy when the scum who pollute our society with
> lies and hatreds, such as you espouse, hatreds which are spawned from
> racist and anti-Semitic beliefs are no longer tolerated by society
> whatsoever. One way to achieve this goal is to expose people like you, for
> the pathetic social miscreants they are.
> 
> > If everybody does say that Van Alstine,
> > what do you win?
> 
> Well, if society no longer tolerates fools with beliefs like yours, I
> certainly "win" a much better society to live in. No small thing that.
> 
> > I'll never say it because I don't believe it.
> 
> You say many things, Graves. Contradictory things. This is why I am
> skeptical of you when you say "I don't believe it." You say it then you
> turn around a spew more racist and anti-Semitic filth.
> 
> > I AM critical of Jews, yes, but I do not want to see them (or anybod> y eles)
> > wiped out!
> 
> Graves, you are a hateful, bigoted, racist and anti-Semite who espouses
> many of the same things the Nazis did. Most people recogize such
> associations for what they are. When will _you_? When will _you_ realize
> such behavior is _not_ being "critical" of Jews? When will _you_ realize
> it is nothing more than xenophobic incitements to prejudice,
> discrimination and, eventully, persecution? (My, guess is never, as you
> are too filled with your pathetic hatreds and self-percieved injuries to
> pull your head out of your ass and see daylight.)
> 
> As for not wanting to see Jews or anybody else "wiped out," you pick a
> very odd way of evidencing such a belief given the racist and anti-Semitic
> rants you spew. Similar, lunatic, ravings by the Nazis _did_ help in
> almost wiping out the Jews. It _did_ help to wipe out Jewish culture from
> Eastern Europe.
> 
> Seek professional help, Graves. It is your only hope of social redemption.
> 
> Mark

>From  who? A degenerate race traitor like you? You make me sick Van 
Alstine, up there on your fucking high-horse making assumptions about
people based on whatever non-sequiter remarks you can cobble together
to make your so-called point. You are a liar, you are a real lefto fascist,
and you are a bigot a thousand times over. To hell with you!

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
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Sara aka Perrrfect wrote:
> 
> In article <3103ED91.32C6@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > I'm not dodging the question, Bronstein, I'm flat out refusing to waste
> > my time to doing research to answer something that is common knowledge
> > to millions. Its stupid, you know its stupid, you are just trying to be
> > annoying. Well, give it up, you aren't that annoying!
> 
> In  other words: "I have no evidence. The only proof I need is to keep
> repeating this."
> 
> Well, Mr. Graves, there are many more millions of people who disagree with you.
> 
> By the way, it's common knowledge to millions of people that Elvis is
> still alive, that the Earth is flat, and that jumping up and down after
> sex prevents pregnancy.
> 
> In a more serious vein, there are millions of people who believe that
> Islam is the true religion. This is common knowledge. Care to comment?
> 
> Sara

No, Sara, I'm too busy laughing.

George Graves


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Lizard wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 18 Jan 1996 23:15:11 +0000, George Graves
>  wrote:
> 
> >Now, THAT'S what I call a matter of opinion! There is plenty wrong
> >with being a liberal. I don't know what country your from, but over
> >the last 40 or so years liberalism has all but destroyed the United
> >States. Trillions thrown away on questionable liberal social
> >programs where the results are that the problems these programs
> >were designed to address are worse now than they were BEFORE
> >the programs were put into effect and the money wasted.
> 
> You're assuming the purpose was to solve problems. The purpose was,
> and is, to empower the State.
> 
> >Liberalism on an individual basis only shows that the individual
> >is extremely naive in the ways of the world, but when governments
> >practice it, its a sure road to destruction.
> 
> So then tell me, Mr. Graves -- why so you support a political
> philosophy (fascism) which incorporates nearly all the evils of
> liberalism, and none of its few virtues? Fascism promises universal
> health care, universal (government-supported) education, government
> funding for art, guaranteed employment, control of industry to serve
> "people, not profits", strict environmental regulation, and all the
> rest of the drivel that comes with any strongly centralized state.
> What you *don't* get is any pretense of respect for the liberties of
> the individual in the non-economic spheres of activity, which is the
> only saving grace of liberalism.
> 
> Since you are a vocal and ardent supporter of one brand of
==================================================================
You have me confused with someone else friend. I am an ardent supporter
of nothing fascist. I support the American Constitution. I am against the
welfare state and most constituted social programs. Where you get the 
idea that I support the Nazi's or the Communists, for that matter is 
beyond me. 
==================================================================
> collectivism, you do very poorly as a critic of any competing brand --
> when you get right down to it, the sole difference between a Nazi and
> a Communist is the color of the flag. The color of the blood spilled
> in the name of reducing the individual to a cog in the Uberstate is
> identical, as is the amount.
> 
> (FYI, I base my description of what fascism means solely on the words
> of its own ardent supporters -- examine the "National Socialist FAQ"
> or the National Alliance Homepage. 100% pure, undiluted socialism --
> the only difference is "the workers" have been replaced by "the race".
> Either way, the individual is rendered a slave to the collective.) (I
> especially love the insistence on the National Alliance homepage that
> the New White Culture will allow people to polka or reel, but dancing
> to rock&roll vill be shtrictly verboten! (I have to assume "White
> Christmas" will also be Right Out))
===================================================================
I'm sure that you are very correct. But, again, you are barking up the 
wrong tree.

George Graves
===================================================================
> 
> As I've noted before -- if the SWC wants to make sure no
> Impressionable Youth will go running off to join the Nazis, they just
> need to let them read the stuff the Nazis put forth as propaganda.
> *------------------------------------------------------------*
> Evolution doesn't take prisoners:Lizard
> Sometimes, 'peace' is just aother word for 'surrender':JMS
> URL:http://www.dnai.com/~lizard


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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : Dole = Lost Election. Then four more years of the "lyin' King".
> : I am depressed.
> 
> : George Graves
> 
> Remember, to keep George depressed vote for Bill Clinton, the man
> who smoked pot and dodged conscription and is therefore a traitor
> (note, the Constitution defines treason in Article III, Section 3,
> but doesn't mention either of these offenses).
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu

No asshole, but breaking his oath of office is treason. 1993 tax act. 
Retroactive. Article 1, section 9 of the Constitution: NO BILL OF 
ATTAINDER OR EX POST FACTO LAW SHALL BE PASSED! For an idiot
like you, ex post facto means a retroactive law. Clinton's oath of 
office was to uphold the Constitution. He should not have 1) initiated
such a law, or 2) signed it once it passed the liberal Congress. The 
fact that the Democrat Congress passed the law, means that they 
too are traitors, but that's another issue.

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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Wandering wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : Wandering wrote:
> : > 1) What do you define as the "White Race"?
> : > 2) Why are you afraid of people who don't fit that definition?
> : > 3) How are your beliefs different from clinical paranoia?
> : >
> : > and, just for you:
> : >
> : > 4) Where's this evidence you keep promising?
> : >
> : > I'll keep posting these questions until I get an answer, son. If you're
> : > afraid to answer them, just say so.
> 
> : Afraid to answer? No. The answers are so obvious, that this is probably
> : one of your clever little loaded questions. You have some wonderful
> : little pastiche to come back at whoever answers you with what you
> : know is the only answer possible. Keep asking, but I for one, will
> : not give you the satisfaction of being the trigger for your little
> : trick.
> 
> In other words, you'd rather evade my questions and appear a fool than to
> answer them and remove all doubt?
> 
> : As for the evidence. As i have said many times, I posted it the week of
> : Dec. 25, and its all you're gonna get. All of your fellow travelers have
> : trashed it, out of hand (and I admit, I'm partly at fault for that, I needed
> : to be more careful. I shouldn't have underestimated my enemies. But that
> : won't happen again). I am certainly NOT going to open THAT particular
> : can of worms again. Perhaps some of your fellow traveler friends will
> : send you an E-Mail of it.
> 
> In other words, we pointed out how fallacious and hole-ridden your arguments
> were, but pride keeps you from admitting it in those words. Therefore, we
> are the enemy.
> 
> You make me sad, George. I mean that truly. People as embittered as you are
> usually have had hard lives without much fun in them. What happened to you
> to make you this way?

I'm not embittered at all. I only do this for fun. I'm not the fanatic on
this NG, but plenty of the people on your side are certainly fanatics!
The way they foam and scream, you'd think they actually believed that
there is something important to be won or lost here. Whew!

George Graves 

> 
> -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =
> nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu -- Flame mail will be gleefully posted and
> dissected in front of 20,000,000 people. Thanks in advance.


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Josh Klein wrote:
> 
> Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) wrote:
> 
> > FWIW, it's spelled "Ochrana" in the index to Konrad Heiden's _Der Fuehrer_.
> 
> A little additional research at the library has only slightly modified
> my original claim.  The word comes from the root _Khran_/_Khoron_ --
> concealment or burial.  According to Wolkonsky and Poltoratzky,
> there do not seem to be any cases of the initial KH mutating into a
> K in words from that stem.  (_Handbook_of_Russian_Roots_.  New York:
> Columbia UP, 1961. p. 390-391.)
> 
> A glance at a very reliable Russian-language dictionary does not
> give any examples of the word _Okhrana_ being used to refer to
> a government agency per se; however, I can understand how the
> substitution could occur, and I am willing to accept that the
> agency is frequently referred to as the _Okhrana_ -- with, note,
> the _kh_ sound left out of George's version.
> 
> (_Slovar'_Sovremennogo_Russkogo_Literaturnogo_Iazyka_ vol. 8.
> Moscow: Izd. Akademii Nauk SSSR, 1959. p. 1770-1774.)
> 
> --
> Josh Klein
> Amherst College

Is there a Kh sound, Josh? Would not the h be silent in English? Just
wondering. Thanks for setting us all straight on this one.

George Graves


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Ikaika wrote:
> 
> Shut Up!

Come on, asshole, force me to shut up. I'm dyin' to see you try. Wanna
meet someplace so that you can try to make me shut up in person?
Anywhere you like, except either your home country/state or mine.
The money's no object to me! let me know where you are (Hawaii, 
maybe?) and we'll meet somewhere equidistant like South America
perhaps. I wait on the edge of my seat for your reply. 

George Graves


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Harry Katz wrote:
> 
> Sara aka Perrrfect wrote:
> 
>         Care to comment?
> 
> In article <3104FF91.3359@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) responds:
> 
>         No, Sara, I'm too busy laughing.
> 
> He must have passed a mirror or caught a glimpse of his reflection on
> the monitor screen.
> 
> --
> Harry Katz
> 
> He who humiliates himself will be lifted up; he who raises himself up
> will be humiliated.
>         -- The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.


Only partly, Katz, only partly.

George Graves


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Ned Kelly wrote:
> 
> a002046@ibm.net wrote:
> 
> : Our species is not homo sapiens, it is homo sapiens sapiens.  The Neanderthals
> : were homo sapiens neanderthalensis.  Homo sapiens preceded both homo sapiens
> : sapiens and homo sapiens neanderthalensis.
> 
> How long until Bill Gates rolls out a beta son? A homo sapien sapien 95
> (beta)?
> 
> --
> Ned Kelly Lives!!!!!!  Tired of the high costs of software? Try Linux UNIX!


His wife IS pregnant ( I have a friend a Microsoft who works directly
for the old boy). I wonder who the father is? Lets hope the kid doesn't
have as many birth defects as Bill's last big product. Maybe they'll name
him 'Windows 96 Gates' 

George Graves


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From: George Graves 
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Y Reichsfeld wrote:
> 
> In article <3103EE54.7C9C@aimnet.com>,
>    George Graves  wrote:
> >Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> >>
> >> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> >>
> >> : Idiot. Where did you get the idea that that Bolshevism STARTED with the
> >> : 1917 revolution? Trotsky and Lenin had been a dedicated Bolshevik for
> >>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>
> >> Siamese twins, doubtless.
> >>
> >> : years by the time Morgan Sr. died. Have you ever heard of the so-called
> >> : 1905 "Aborted Revolution"?  Trotsky was one of its main instigators.
> >>
> >> Trotsky was elected presisent of the St Petersburg Soviet in 1905.
> >> How, though, did he instigate the 1905 Revolution (did he engineer
> >> the Russo-Japanese War?)?
==================================================================
No, but J.P. Morgan, Jacob Scchiff, The First National Bank of New York, 
and the First City Bank of New York loaned Japan approximately 
$30,000,000 in 1904 to attack Russia from the east.

Stephen Birmningham, "Our Crowd", (New York: Dell Publishing Co., Inc.
1967 pp. 334-335.)
==================================================================== 
> >>
> >> : These prominant rich Americans contributed the money mostly to Trotsky,
> >> : directly. If you want my reference, Here 'tis
> >>
> >> : "The Unseen Hand" A Ralph Epperson, Publius Press, Tuscon Arizona, 1985.
> >> : Lib/Congress # 84-06227. Chapter 10., 'The Russian Revolution' PP 99-
> >> : 112. And if you wish, I can post this author's sources as well, but if
> you
> >> : get the book you can look them up as well as I.
> >>
> >> Might we have references from more reputable historians? Robert
> >> Conquest or Edward Crankshaw, for example (just to pick two staunch
> >> anti-communists)?
> >
> >Oh, now we get to pick the historians we believe and force the opposition
> >to use those. Well if you already know the references, why should I bother
> >to provide them? Your reasoning is circular.
> >
> >George Graves
> 
> No, the point beeing made is that you georgie boy are incapable of answering
> even the simplest question. You drivel, we ask for some kind of backup for
> your drivel other than quotes by the forgers of the protocols, and what do we
> get, evasions, more lies and personal insults, how can we take you for
> anything else but a drivelling racist wallowing in his own filth trying to
> spread the stench of his perverted mind over the airwaves.


====================================================================
Listen Crap. You would do that to anyone who disagreed with you even if
they had Jesus Christ to back them up!

George Graves


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Colin A. Reed wrote:
> 
> George Graves wrote:
>

> > The left IS the "new fascism", mostly because they, like all fascists
> > want to quell ALL opposition to their belief system. The very idea of
> > "political correctness" is a liberal invention and is fascist in concept.
> >
> > George GravesCheck my response to the other time you called the left
> fascists.  You will notice that you are using the word wrong.
> The point you are making about "political correctness" and
> opposition to their belief system is valid, they are wrong.  But
> that is not fascism.  "some bad thing"!="some other bad thing"
> This is a common mistake.
> --
> 
>                              -Colin

Check my answer to your response. I stand by my claim.

George Graves


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MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
> 
> In article <31050A44.4E90@aimnet.com> George Graves  writes:
> 
> >> Given the demonstrated incapacity of racists around here to form a
> coherent>> thought, I'd be more worried about what would happen to me in a
> pure>> meritocracy if I were you.
> 
> >Since I'm not black, Morrison the moribund, and cannot take advantage
> >of any affirmative action preferential treatment, I more or less do
> >have to compete on my own merit. I do very well, thank you. Very well,
> >indeed.
> 
> Then you should move to Canada.  The government runs a few programs for the
> mentally challenged.  I'm sure they could find you a spot.
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison
> t08o@unb.ca

 I'll bet I made more money last year than you did! I work in a very
competitive, highly technical field. Only smart people need apply, 
and not all of them are successful. I am successful. Take your 
"mentally challenged" remarks to somebody else. Maybe apply 'em
to yourself?

George Graves


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James White wrote:
> =

> On Jan 21, 1996 21:35:12 in article  Bigots at odds)>, 'potato@stlnet.com (Frank Weltner)' wrote:
> =

> =

> =

> >I don't think so. In my younger days, I registered blacks in Mississippi=
=2E
> >Now, after 54 years of life, I have noticed that these people have
> >destroyed every major US city, destroying neighborhood after neighborhoo=
d,
> =

> >block by block, house by house, project by project. There is no new low =
to
> =

> >which they have not already descended. Anyone watching the daily NEWS wi=
th
> =

> >pictures of African Americans who have murdered people or been shot that=

> >day understands full well that African Americans are a criminal,
> >anti-social, and stupid element in our society; they are the contrary to=

> >all our assumptions about all men being equal, because they are not.
> =

> This again is the white power propaganda line.  I call it the "I once was=

> lost but now I'm found" line.  It goes like this, at one time I was a
> flaming liberal or Freedom Rider or fill in the blank but then I got
> mugged, or run out of the neighborhood, or lost a little league baseball
> game or fill in the blanks.  It is stale and cliche ridden and it is more=

> than likely a lie.  You fill the net with all your lies about the situati=
on
> in the cities without making any effort to look into root causes.  You ar=
e
> looking at symptoms and making a value judgement about a whole class of
> people.  That is not the mark of a thinking person.
> =

> =

> >
> Fully
> >60% of them are feeble-minded or below, 15% are moronic or below, only 1=
6%
> =

> >are smarter than 50% of the whites, and 2.3% above 115 IQ, the lowest
> >amount necessary for a college degree at a small, easy college.
> =

> This is false.  There are no more black morons than white morons on a
> percentage basis.  This is because the distribution is skewed.  Everythin=
g
> you say in this is wrong and I have refuted it before and you just keep o=
n
> saying the same lie again and again ala Hitler who you detest.
> =

> =

> >I have nothing to be ashamed about. Am I supposed to just sit back for t=
he
> =

> >next 30 years and have the blacks tear out the suburbs they way they hav=
e
> >torn out the heart of the cities in my country? And for what? For
> >liberalism? For integration? What good are these things when the people
> >don't fit the equality mythos upon which such a society must be based?
> >They don't and they never will. Their history is one of zero civilizatio=
n,
> =

> >high incivility, brutality, laziness, and slavery brought about at their=

> >own hands in Africa and then sold to Europeans.
> =

> White Power Horseshit.
> =

> =

> >I will fair very well. I gave African Americans the chance, but they hav=
e
> >muffed it. They have proven themselves unworthy of membership in our
> >society without some corrections to make certain they don't destroy
> >another white community ever again. Humane changes in law will be
> >necessary to protect us against these excesses of integration which have=

> >abused us to the maximum.
> =

> More Whitepower horseshit.
> =

> =

> >By the way, Jame W. White. You are quite naive. You paint with a broad
> >brush laden with generalizations and liberalities.
> =

> And you quote old what's his name, who is the expert in everything from
> anthropology to psychology to brain anatomy.
> =

> >Helping us all to find a kindler, gentler, view.
> =

> =

> Please don't.
> =

> --
> =

> James W. White
> =

> =

> Zu den guten Deutschen Leuten und Kultur Friede, Liebt und Verst=E4ndnis.=


Hey White, how many black, underpriveledged families do you have living
with you? How many blacks do you wholly support with your own after
tax wages? None? Well PUT YER MONEY WHERE YER MOUTH IS. If you don't
totally support at least TWO black families in your own home with your
own money, then you are talking out of your ass, and that's all you are
doing is talk!  Do you have a black wife or girlfriend? (at least eB has =

a black fiance, and honestly lives his beliefs (misguided though they =

may be)). Do you work every day with underpriviledged black kids "helping =

them to shape a better tomorrow", or do you just TALK the talk? I suspect
the latter, Mr. White.


George Graves


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Caesar wrote:
> 
> In article <31026AD5.7AAB@aimnet.com> gmgraves@aimnet.com "George Graves" writes:
> 
> > Dole = Lost Election. Then four more years of the "lyin' King".
> > I am depressed.
> 
> Clinton's not the only lying president.
> 
> Remember Nixon.
> 
> >
> > George Graves
> >
> 
> --
> 
> Caesar
> 
> --
True enough, but Nixon had the left-wing press to push his words back 
down his own throat. They simply gloat upon everything Wafflin' Willy
says. Besides, Nixon never lied to the American People about policy
matters (to my knowledge), just about Watergate and his part in it
(which was bad enough). Willy, on the other hand, lies about EVERYTHING
every day. You need a score card to see where he is standing on any one 
issue on any particular day!

George Graves


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : william c anderson wrote:
> : >
> : > George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : >
> : > : > > The point is that Hitler and Stalin were sickoes. They were scumbags. We
> : > : > > must NEVER allow sociopaths, idealists, racists, liberals, or fascists to
> : > : > > gain control of another country.
> : > : ====================================================================
> : > : And not to forget the worst of them all, Wee Willy Clinton, "The Lyin' King".
> : >
> : > Mr. Graves, are you actually asserting that Bill Clinton, whatever his
> : > flaws, is worse than Hitler and Stalin?  Are you aware of how that reflects
> : > on the perception of your sense of reality?
> : >
> : > Bill
> 
> : Do you not know a joke when you see one? Do you realize how this reflects
> : on the perseption of your intelligence?
> 
> Ah.  A joke.  Excuse me.  Does that mean all the other nutty things
> you've said in the past few weeks--your assertion that the Protocols
> of the Learned Elders of Zion are a real blueprint for JOOISH
> domination of the world, for instance--may also be assumed to be
> jokes?  If not, how are we to tell the difference between your serious
> lunacy and your jokes?
> 
> Bill

If you can't tell the difference between an obvious overstatement made
for humerous purposes and a real assertion, I'd say that you had a 
perception problem.

George Graves


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Fresh816 (fresh816@aol.com) wrote:
> : Carter may have been a lousy president, but he's no liar.
> 
> I think you're right; that's why I gave him a "maybe".  Still, it's
> hard for me to believe that anybody could get to be president of the
> United States without being at least an occasional liar...
> 
> Bill

Look, I used to think that Carter was the worst president this country
ever had, then we got Clinton. But, seriously, folks. Mr. Carter may not
have been much of a president, but he is certainly a really nice guy. I
believe he is honest (for a politician) and I think he really cares about
this country. Did you know that he spends his own time and money 
helping to build houses for the underpriviledged in the "Habitat for
Humanity" project? He doesn't have to do that, he just wants to help.
You gotta admire a man who wants to put something back into his
community and society, even if you don't agree with his politics. 

George Graves


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Orest Slepokura wrote:
> 
> In article <30F9217B.2FA6@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > > The ultimate answer is, of course, to become your own server.  Nice, for
> > > those who can afford it.
> >
> > Yes, but THAT'S precisely why  the Wiesenthal Center's efforts are doomed
> > to failure. As fast as mainstream providers distance themselves from this
> > debate by simply censoring those portions of service which are
> > controversial, new providers sponsored by organizations which have had
> > their points of view censored, will come on line to fill the gap. There
> is simply
> > no practical way to physically censor the internet. Thank the lord for small
> > favors.
> >
> > George Graves
> 
> _________________________________________________
> 
> That's exactly what Holocaust revisionist-activist, Dan Gannon, ended up
> doing. Because of all the pressure put on his service providers, Gannon
> set up to become his own Internet provider, with a high speed link to
> MCI's Internet spine.
> 
> To expedite his electronic publishing ventures, he also acquired a
> flat-bed scanner and high quality software that allows him to scan
> articles electronically instead of having to type them up manually.
> 
> Since Gannon started up his own bulletin board system (BBS) in August
> 1991, on "Banished CPU," he's logged about 160,000 calls with his outreach
> program. Where there's a will there's a way; especially when high-tech is
> involved.
> 
> Computer technology is exfoliating in all directions at a dizzying rate.
> Won't be long now before they marry radio and the Internet, TV and the
> Internet.  It won't be long before high tech dumps new tools into our laps
> to enable us to once again frustrate the censorious will of the Thought
> Police of whatever political, ethnic or ideological stripe.
> 
> Orest Slepokura
> 
> ________________________________________________


Good thing too. With such tools in the hands of the ordinary citizen, it
will be very difficult for the power brokers to put one over on us, 
ever again. This is the best thing to happen to Democracy since the
U.S. Constitution.

George Graves


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Lizard wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:12:21, joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg)
> wrote:
> 
> >>That's exactly what Holocaust revisionist-activist, Dan Gannon, ended up
> >>doing. Because of all the pressure put on his service providers, Gannon
> >>set up to become his own Internet provider, with a high speed link to
> >>MCI's Internet spine.
> >
> >Which, finally, removes any question about whether or not our lazy Nazis are
> >being "censored" from the Internet.  They can always go to Gannon for service.
> >
> >Fine by me.
> 
> So then -- why is the Wiesenthal Center devoting time and energy to
> what is ultimately a fruitless task, when they could be doing
> something more productive? (There has to be at least 1 or 2 ninety
> year old Nazis left somewhere) Answer:The Internet is "hot" right now,
> so the SWC can gather a lot of free publicity, not to mention ample
> contributions from technically ignorant leftists who imagine that they
> will be "doing something" to stop "hate in cyberspace". IOW, the exact
> same reason the Christian Coalition is going on about "pornography on
> the Information Superhighway" -- to rake in the big bucks from *its*
> collection of ignorant supporters. (And boy, are there a lot of them.
> If I didn't have a few dim traces of residual conscience left, I'd
> become a televangelist..)
> 
> Anyone who believes that any of these people (the Senate, the
> Christian Coalition, The SWC, Enough is Enough...ANY of them) is
> motivated by anything more than lust for cash and lust for
> power...well, I've got a deal for you. You see, I've got this list of
> ten names. You send the first five people on the list a dollar each,
> and...

Truer words have never been published. Human greed is a the bottom
of almost every human endeavor, irrespective of the socio-economic
system. 

George Graves


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : > > The point is that Hitler and Stalin were sickoes. They were scumbags. We
> : > > must NEVER allow sociopaths, idealists, racists, liberals, or fascists to
> : > > gain control of another country.
> : ====================================================================
> : And not to forget the worst of them all, Wee Willy Clinton, "The Lyin' King".
> 
> Mr. Graves, are you actually asserting that Bill Clinton, whatever his
> flaws, is worse than Hitler and Stalin?  Are you aware of how that reflects
> on the perception of your sense of reality?
> 
> Bill

Do you not know a joke when you see one? Do you realize how this reflects
on the perception of your intelligence?

George Graves


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : > > The point is that Hitler and Stalin were sickoes. They were scumbags. We
> : > > must NEVER allow sociopaths, idealists, racists, liberals, or fascists to
> : > > gain control of another country.
> : ====================================================================
> : And not to forget the worst of them all, Wee Willy Clinton, "The Lyin' King".
> 
> Mr. Graves, are you actually asserting that Bill Clinton, whatever his
> flaws, is worse than Hitler and Stalin?  Are you aware of how that reflects
> on the perception of your sense of reality?
> 
> Bill

Do you not know a joke when you see one? Do you realize how this reflects
on the perseption of your intelligence?

George Graves


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MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
> 
> In article <3103804C.45EA@aimnet.com> George Graves  writes:
> 
> >> >We non-Jews don't really know what Jews believe or think.  Don't
> >> >most Jews still think that they are the "chosen people"?
> >> >Unfortunately, Jews are too devious and deceitful to reveal
> >> >what they think and believe.  I find their pushy, overbearing,
> >> >obnoxious behaviour disgusting.
> >>
> >> Like Republicans you mean?  Or the Christian Coalition?  Ross Perot?  Rush
> >> (who couldn't rush if his life depended on it) Limbaugh?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Keith Morrison
> >> t08o@unb.ca
> 
> >Oh so you're a democrat, Morrison!
> 
> Except for one thing, bonehead.  Look at the address I'm posting from and
> you might come to the sudden realization that I am probably not a Democrat.
> I'll even throw in a bonus hint: I was born in the country I'm posting from.
> 
> Idiot.
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison
> t08o@unb.ca

Never paid any attention to the headers. I assumed that you wouldn't
be making statements about American political parties unless you were
an American. Guess I was wrong. Having no idea of what you are talking
about hasn't slowed you down one iota has it?

George Graves


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <4djnmb$1291@msunews.cl.msu.edu>, Martin Fox  wrote:
> 
> > George Graves  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >There is more than one way to go geschmott, Van Alstine. A Jew might
> > >change his name to avoid political persecution, or he might just change
> > >his religion out of either conviction or the perception that becoming
> > >a christian would better integrate him into the community, or many
> > >other reasons.
> 
> Would this mean you are a "geschmott" Nazi, Graves? You know, one who
> claims not to be a Nazi but still espouses anti-Semitic rhetoric like the
> Nazis did?
> 
> Mark

What makes you think that the Nazi's invented anti-semitism? The 
Tsars of Russia were practising "pogroms" against the Jews long
before Hitler's time. Does that make me a geschmott Tsar?

George Graves


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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <310376F3.242C@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > I'm all in favor of giving them the same opportunities, in fact, I believe
> > they have them already.
> 
> That is a "belief" that many, black or otherwise, would disagree with
> given the evidence of continued discrimination and disenfranchisement,
> implicit or otherwise.
> 
> > All that they have to do is take advantage of them.
> 
> Or more correcly, to be _allowed_ to take advantage of them.
> 
> > But, if we did REALLY level the playing field (no defferential treatment
> > for anyone, a pure meritocracy), and the blacks still failed, what would we
> > do then?
> 
> More to the point, when they _succeed_, what will _you_ do?
> 
> Mark

Applaud.

George Graves


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Gord McFee wrote:

Deleted for brevity

gmgraves wrote:
===================================== The
> >world and the American economy has been on a roller-coaster for years.
> >Yet, it wasn't until the late '70's that America's standard of living
> >started to erode. No, I don't think you can blame the economy for this,
> >just too damn many people.
> >The disadvantaged blacks are like that because they won't do anything
> >about their culture. They eschew education, they don't have a work ethic
> >(or if they do, they don't follow it) and they look for the easy way
> >(crime and welfare is easier than work).  They are not evil, but their
> >culture is based on a totally different mindset than is that of the
> >European (or so it looks to me).
> 
> So what do you do about it George?
> 
> --
> Gord McFee

Whatever it takes, "Gord"!

George Graves


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Harry Katz wrote:
> 
> In article <31018B0D.1082@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) once more finds himself cornered
> without a single shred of proof to bolster his prejudicial
> pronunciamentos, so he resorts to old wives' tales:
> 
>         EVERYBODY above the age of ten knows that Jews are a Race, a
>         Culture and a religion. Otherwise people would be saying "Funny
>         you don't look Catholic." or "Funny you don't look baptist."
>         But they don't. People do say "He looks Jewish".
> 
> I have never heard a real person say, "Funny, you don't look Jewish,"
> but I have heard this as a tag line for numerous jokes.  The point of
> the joke, of course, is that there is no "Jewish look" to begin with.
> 
> But Mr. Graves seems to have no intellectual problems with basing his
> conclusions on his own personal misinterpretation of humor.
> 
>         If Jews aren't a race, then why did Cecil B. DeMille (a half
>         Jew) write a letter to his sister, the famous dance
>         choreographer, Katherine DeMille, scolding her for having her
>         picture taken in profile for "Life" magazine, saying: "Don't
>         you ever pose in profile for a picture again, you look
>         too Jewish!"
> 
> Obviously, Mr. DeMille was suffering from feelings of inferiority
> engendered by mainstream American anti-Semites like Mr. Graves!
> 
> --
> Harry Katz

But Katz, irrespective of Mr. DeMille's inferiority complex (a real laugh
by the way. Demille was a notorious megalomaniac.) HOW could he tell
his sister that she looked "too Jewish", when you say there is no 
Jewish look?


George Graves


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