From gmgraves@aimnet.com Fri Nov  3 13:03:20 PST 1995
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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: ONE THING WHITE SUPREMACIST NEVER ANSWERS answer it Ron, Les, RC, Aryan Crusader, Salty, if you dare
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>>   xyz@scsn.net (Racial Theorist) writes:
>>  dredd@interport.net (Browning of America) wrote:
>>  
>>  >If the blacks are inferior with less intelligence(we know it is a lie,
>>  >but just predending), and you claim this by using test scores, then
>>  >what about the Asians and Jews?
>>  
>>  asiatics and jews didn't build the most powerful country on this
>>  earth:  white folks did.  asiatics and jews didn't invent everything
>>  in this world that's worth a damn--white folks did (except for peanut
>>  butter.)
>>  
>>  >Asians and Jews score substantially more on ALL test than your average
>>  >white.  They score substantially more than your average European.
>>  >Does that make them superior?
>>  
>>  no.  white people are still a lot smarter.
>>  
>>  >And, just pretending your ZOG lies are true, then let them rule the
>>  >world.  Isnt it the superior ones who are meant to rule, at least
>>  >according to your trashy propaganda?
>>  
>>  white people do rule.
>>  in loyal service to the white race,
>>  
>>  r.c. richards, racial theorist
>
>But for how long will we?? The world will integrate and change whether you and 
>your retarded buddies like it or not. If there is anything to Social Darwinism, you 
>people will certainly not have the skills required to adapt and survive.
>
>eB

Oh, you mean the way Quizling had the "skills to adapt" under
the Hitlerites? Do Scandanavians ALWAYS bend whichever way the 
wind blows? You might call it Social Darwinism, I call it
spinelessness.

George Graves




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From: George Graves 
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Reuben Logsdon  wrote:
>dredd@interport.net (Brown Man (ZOG agent # 645a3)) wrote:
>>Reuben Logsdon  wrote:
(SNIP)
>------
>>Pretty jealous of them huh?  If the whites are superior to every other
>>race, then why do Asians (not just east indians, but the chinese and
>>japanese, etc.) and Jews (you know, Joooos) score better than whites?
>>Could it be that They are genetically more intelligent than whites?
>>Or maybe you don't want to put your foot in your mouth and say that
>>there is more to intelligence than race?
(SNIP)

I think you got it backwards. There is more to race than measured
intelligence.....Like, what one does with it? 

If you use your intelligence to do nothing, what good is it?

If you use your intelligence to do evil, what use is to the world?

White man uses HIS intelligence to build. Asians use it for no
purpose (except where to get something to eat), and Jews use it
to parasite off of the civilization built by whites.

George Graves




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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: FOUR TRUTHS THAT NO RACISTS CAN REFUTE
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BHendrsn@kirk.microsys.net (Brian & Lori Henderson) wrote:
>George Graves  wrote:
>
>>1) White Race: Northern European in extraction and culture. 
>>Specifically, Anglo-Saxon, Scandanavian, German. Any group
>>with white skin, predisposition toward hair color other than
>>basic black, and eye color other than brown. Any group of the
>>aformentioned with strong Celtic background.
>
>What do you do with people who show those physical attributes but
>cannot trace their heritage back to a Celtic background.  Are these
>people "white"?  What the heck difference does it make?

For our purposes, "white" refers to a culture as much as a 
race. You're the one who wanted 'white' defined. Culturally,
it makes a lot of difference to a lot of us. We are proud of 
our white culture, and our proud of it. We can't do that with
Jews trying to imprint their culture over ours with their
version of American Pop culture, or with blacks destroying
our cuture and our cities with their crime.
>
>>2) Standard IQ tests given in most civilized countries show 
>>Blacks to have an 'Average' IQ 15 points lower than the 'average'
>>white. This was recently quoted in Scientific American, I believe.
>
>And, as has also been shown time and time again, whites have an IQ
>consistently below that of Asians.  Or do you just want to forget that part?

I didn't forget about it at all. The question was, prove that there
is a racial difference in IQ. I answered the question. You are 
using irrelivencies to make your point.
>
>>3) A recent survey done by the U.S. Government for the State Dept.
>>showed that more than 85% of all American newspapers  have 
>>Jewish owners (including the NY Times, Washington Post, and
>>Chicago Tribune. The head of the news departments for all four
>>major networks are Jewish (NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS). If this isn't
>>Jewish control of the media, then I don't know what is.
>
>How do you determine if someone is Jewish?  By their name?  Guess
>what, one of my girlfriends was Jewish and her last name was Dong
>(half-Chinese).  I also have a good friend whose last name is
>Rosenberg who isn't even remotely Jewish.

Most of the time, you can tell by name, not always. Stien is 
usually a Jewish name, but it can be Goyishe German too. 
Rosenberg is another name that is usually, but not necessarilly
Jewish. Hitler had a henchman by that name if I remember 
correctly. If you want to know how the government discerned
Jewish ownership of newspapers and control of the news
departments of the networks, ask the general accounting office,
not me!




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From: George Graves 
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>>   George Graves  writes:
>
>>  White man uses HIS intelligence to build. Asians use it for no
>>  purpose (except where to get something to eat), and Jews use it
>>  to parasite off of the civilization built by whites.
>>  
>>  George Graves
>
>Which part of this great civilization did you build Mr. Graves??
>
>eB


The part right next to the part you built Mr. eB.

George Graves




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atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
>In article <47cgbt$qr@news2.aimnet.com>, George Graves
> wrote:
>
>  :White man uses HIS intelligence to build.
>
>Ah, yes, Kemo Sabe. White man build big things.
>
>  :Asians use it for no purpose (except where to get something to eat),
>
>Here's a $10 bill that says that at least part of the computer you used to
>post this was buil by Asians.

Sure, after we taught 'em how!

George Graves
>





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From: George Graves 
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>>   George Graves  writes:
>>  evil Beavis  wrote:
>>  >>  white people do rule.
>>  >>  in loyal service to the white race,
>>  >>  
>>  >>  r.c. richards, racial theorist
>>  >
>>  >But for how long will we?? The world will integrate and change whether you and 
>>  >your retarded buddies like it or not. If there is anything to Social Darwinism, you 
>>  >people will certainly not have the skills required to adapt and survive.
>>  >
>>  >eB
>>  
>>  Oh, you mean the way Quizling had the "skills to adapt" under
>>  the Hitlerites? Do Scandanavians ALWAYS bend whichever way the 
>>  wind blows? You might call it Social Darwinism, I call it
>>  spinelessness.
>>  
>>  George Graves
>
>Quisling was Norwegian and a fool. We in Sweden avoided a pointless resistance 
>and defeat. Instead we used resources saving Jews in Hungary (Raoul Wallenberg) 
>and helped many Danes and Norwegians seek refuge in our country. Not helping 
>out the Finns after promising them that was a dirty game played by the government 
>though. But that was then, does it mean anything today? In that case I guess 
>Americans are spineless, cruel, and treacherous for stealing from the Indians, 
>enslaving Africans etc. I do not hold this against today's Americans however, so why 
>hold things from WWII against me?
>
>eB

You miss my point. Quizling had the resources to "adapt" to a
changing world as you stated we American racists don't have. 
I was merely pointing out that Quizling "adapted" by collaborating.
You Scandinavians (as you yourself have said) seem to have 
adopted race mixing with a vengence. This is your way of 
collaborating with the enemies of the white race (the Jew)
to help destroy it. In other words, I was using Quizling as an 
example.

George Graves




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>Nearly all black and brown skins are beautiful, 
>but a beautiful white skin is rare.  How rare, 
>one may learn by walking down a street in Paris, 
>New York or London on a weekday - Particularly 
>an unfashionable street - and keeping count of 
>the satisfactory complexions encountered in the 
>course of a mile  Where dark complexions are massed, 
>they make the whites look bleached out, unwholesome, 
>and sometimes frankly ghastly.
>
Are you feeling alright? What a load of nonsense! Mud people are
prettier than whites. Right. That's why your average black male 
wants a blond white woman more than anything (you know, like
O.J. ..er, had)

George Graves




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atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
>In article <46ssk8$pju@news2.aimnet.com>, George Graves
> wrote:
>
>  :Actually, slavery was minor issue when the war started. It certainly
>  :became one of the major issues of the war when Lincoln 
>  :emancipated the slaves in1863. (this has always struck me as
>  :funny. It's like Roosevelt freeing the Jews from Nazi concentration
>  :camps in 1942 by decree. I.e. it only works if the side making
>  :the decree wins the war). 
>
>The EP was a purely political move, and it succeeded in keeping England
>and France from assisting the CSA.
>
>  :Les is correct on another front as well. Since the "Nawth" won. 
>  :they can call the war anything they like, but technically, the term
>  :"Civil War" is innacurate.  A civil war is a war in which certain
>  :factions of a populace rebel against the state. Since the South
>  :seceeded, and formed their own country, this is not the case.
>
>Whether or not the South was a separate nation was sort of the whole point
>fo the war. The North said no. The South said yes. The north won the war
>and, hence, the debate.
>
>How a conflict is classified depends greatly on the outcome; the only
>difference between a rebellion and a revolution or secession is which side
>wins.
>
>Are Chiapas, Chechnya, Tamil, and the Serb-held areas of Bosnia
>independent nations? They seem to think so. The internationally-recognized
>governments of Mexico, Russia, Sri Lanka, and Bosnia think otherwise.
>
>  :The U.S. Revolutionary war was, strictly speaking, a civil war.
>
>How so? The U.S. declared its nationhood in 1776. The Continental Congress
>was a duly constituted legislature that consucted foreign policy. 
>
>  :Most Americans don't seem to understand (perhaps because they
>  :are not taught this in school) that in 1861 seccession was not
>  :illegal. The Constitution had no provision for keeping the individual
>  :states from leaving the Union if they so desired.
>
>Nor did it have any provision allowing states to leave. This was a gray
>area in the Constitution, and one that was the subject of heated debate
>from the beginning of the 19th century.
>
>  :In fact, In a conversation with President Lincoln, Secretary of State 
>  :Seward mentioned to him that the U.S.A. had no LEGAL right to force the
>  :South to rejoin the Union. To this, Lincoln replied that he knew
>  :that his action against the Confederacy was illegal, but that he
>  :could not stand by and let the Union dissolve 
>
>I know I'm just whistling into a strong headwind, but I would love to see
>a cite for this.
>
>
>  :(this is possibly the first case of the U.S. government ignoring the 
>  :Constitution when it got in the  way of what they wanted to do, as we 
>  :know, its certainly not the last).
>
>Nor the first, depending on how you define your terms--prior to
>ratification, Jefferson argued vociferously against the very notion of
>implied powers (championed by Alexander Hamilton). Yet he acted under that
>doctrine when he bought the Louisiana Purchase.

Very Interesting post. I agree with most of what you say. Where we
differ is with the Revolutionary War. I say it was a true "Civil
War" because you had two factions within a defined geographical/
political entity fighting each other for opposing political beliefs 
(I.E. the Torries vs. the Revolutionists). The way in which this
differs from the War Between the States, is that in the latter case
a definite political/geographic boundry existed. In this case,
"Yankees" sympathetic to the Southern Cause went south of that
international boundry, and Southerners who remained "Unionists"
went north of that boundry. In the Revolution, You, the "Patriot" may
have had a Torry as a next door neighbor. He was helping the 
British Army to put you and your revolution down.
As to the Lincoln/Seward discussion. I have seen it quoted often. I
respectfully direct your attention to James M. McPherson's history
of the War Between the States, entitled: "Battle Cry of Freedom"
It is noted there.

George Graves 




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dredd@interport.net (Browning of America) wrote:
>If the blacks are inferior with less intelligence(we know it is a lie,
>but just predending), and you claim this by using test scores, then
>what about the Asians and Jews?
>Asians and Jews score substantially more on ALL test than your average
>white.  They score substantially more than your average European.
>Does that make them superior?
>And, just pretending your ZOG lies are true, then let them rule the
>world.  Isnt it the superior ones who are meant to rule, at least
>according to your trashy propaganda?
>Les, Aryan Crusader, Rev Ron, Racial Theorist, Salty, any responses?
>I doubt any of you will answer this question, it has been asked many
>times here before, but never answered.


May I take a stab at answering this?

Yes, Blacks consistantly score average IQs of about 15 points below
that of the general population, even when the test is geared
"Culturally" toward them. Whether this means that they are generally
less intelligent than whites is open to debate. It certainly seems
that the average black is less intelligent. Of course, even with a 
lower AVERAGE intelligence the upper lobe of the bell would extend
well beyond 100 (average, by definition) yielding a certain 
percentage of blacks who fall well above the average white man.
These exceptional intellects do well in society as do any exceptional
people.
As to Asians and Jews scoring higher than the general population,
this too would seem to be true. However, their superiority is 
measured in only one or two points above whites. I.E. whereas the
average white IQ is 15 or more points above the average black IQ,
the anerage Asian (only some Asians, not all) and Ashkenazi 
Jewish IQ is only a couple of points higher than the average white
IQ.

As to letting ZOG rule the world, do you want to be ruled a group
of people who want your race exterminated? Do you want a world
government bent on enslaving the governed? Do you want a world
government? God, what a terrible idea. All of that power 
concentrated in but a few people. Sounds like a horror story!
Whether or not Jews are smart is not the issue here and those who
think that they aren't smart are grossly underestimating their enemy.
The issue here is that Jews are EVIL not that they aren't very
intelligent. 
As far as Asians are concerned, their differences are cultural and
racial, not intellectual. 
The problem with most of you people who have bought this left-wing
"everybody is equal" bullshit, is that you don't even understand the
concept of what you call "racism". Races don't have to be
intellectually deficient to be "inferior" (allthough that certainly 
would be one criteria). They  can be culturally and morally inferior
as well.

George Graves





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dredd@interport.net (Browning of America) wrote:
>If the blacks are inferior with less intelligence(we know it is a lie,
>but just predending), and you claim this by using test scores, then
>what about the Asians and Jews?
>Asians and Jews score substantially more on ALL test than your average
>white.  They score substantially more than your average European.
>Does that make them superior?
>And, just pretending your ZOG lies are true, then let them rule the
>world.  Isnt it the superior ones who are meant to rule, at least
>according to your trashy propaganda?
>Les, Aryan Crusader, Rev Ron, Racial Theorist, Salty, any responses?
>I doubt any of you will answer this question, it has been asked many
>times here before, but never answered.


May I take a stab at answering this?

Yes, Blacks consistantly score average IQs of about 15 points below
that of the general population, even when the test is geared
"Culturally" toward them. Whether this means that they are generally
less intelligent than whites is open to debate. It certainly seems
that the average black is less intelligent. Of course, even with a 
lower AVERAGE intelligence the upper lobe of the bell would extend
well beyond 100 (average, by definition) yielding a certain 
percentage of blacks who fall well above the average white man.
These exceptional intellects do well in society as do any exceptional
people.
As to Asians and Jews scoring higher than the general population,
this too would seem to be true. However, their superiority is 
measured in only one or two points above whites. I.E. whereas the
average white IQ is 15 or more points above the average black IQ,
the anerage Asian (only some Asians, not all) and Ashkenazi 
Jewish IQ is only a couple of points higher than the average white
IQ.

As to letting ZOG rule the world, do you want to be ruled a group
of people who want your race exterminated? Do you want a world
government bent on enslaving the governed? Do you want a world
government? God, what a terrible idea. All of that power 
concentrated in but a few people. Sounds like a horror story!
Whether or not Jews are smart is not the issue here and those who
think that they aren't smart are grossly underestimating their enemy.
The issue here is that Jews are EVIL not that they aren't very
intelligent. 
As far as Asians are concerned, their differences are cultural and
racial, not intellectual. 
The problem with most of you people who have bought this left-wing
"everybody is equal" bullshit, is that you don't even understand the
concept of what you call "racism". Races don't have to be
intellectually deficient to be "inferior" (allthough that certainly 
would be one criteria). They  can be culturally and morally inferior
as well.

George Graves





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lzaird@io.org (lzaird) wrote:
>
>Please outline the people that REALLY have power, I'd lovew to hear
>who they are.  You can always say "Oh, there are these 12 Jews who
>control the world..."  But you never can name them, or how they do it.

They are called the Sanhedran (SP?). It is believed that they rule 
>from  somewhere in Switzerland, but it could be anywhere now. And 
they aren't 12 in number, they are 9.
How they rule is a nice mystery. There are several theories: 
They rule through the Builderbergers, they rule through special
"ambassadors" who act as advisors to government heads. There is
some evidence that the latter is (or was) at least one method.
Usually these people do not draw attention to themselves, but a
couple of times in this century, they have become well known. In
the United States a Jew named Bernard Baruch was advisor to
a number of presidents Including Hoover, Roosevelt, and Truman.
He was always referred to by the press as "The Elder Statesman".
Nixon's man was Henry Kissinger, who couldn't keep Dickie from
making a ass of himself with regard to Watergate. On the other
side of the fence was a Jew "business man" named Armand Hammer.
He travelled freely between the west and the Soviet Union, and had 
the ear of both Lenin and Stalin. He was the only 'American' business
man so allowed.
There is also some evidence to show that Woodrow Wilson's 
"handler" was a Jew named E. Mandel House. It's House, by the by
that we can blame for the graduated income tax and that American
Gestapo, the IRS (thank you, Mr. House). House was, by personal
creed, a communist; not so unusual, most Jews were (are?). Funny
thing, Karl Marx, in his 'Das Kapital' stated that the best way to
destroy a capitalist society was to introduce a graduated income
tax.... Could it be that our Mr. House was not acting in the best 
interest of the United States? A Jew? Not a loyal American?
Heaven forbid. Why Mr. E. Mandel House was just as loyal as the
Rosenbergs or Greenglass, or Oppenheimer!

George Graves








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evil Beavis  wrote:
>>   George Graves  writes:
>>  BHendrsn@kirk.microsys.net (Brian & Lori Henderson) wrote:
>>  >George Graves  wrote:
>>  >
>>  >>1) White Race: Northern European in extraction and culture. 
>>  >>Specifically, Anglo-Saxon, Scandanavian, German. Any group
>>  >>with white skin, predisposition toward hair color other than
>>  >>basic black, and eye color other than brown. Any group of the
>>  >>aformentioned with strong Celtic background.
>>  >
>>  >What do you do with people who show those physical attributes but
>>  >cannot trace their heritage back to a Celtic background.  Are these
>>  >people "white"?  What the heck difference does it make?
>>  
>>  For our purposes, "white" refers to a culture as much as a 
>>  race. You're the one who wanted 'white' defined. Culturally,
>>  it makes a lot of difference to a lot of us. We are proud of 
>>  our white culture, and our proud of it. We can't do that with
>>  Jews trying to imprint their culture over ours with their
>>  version of American Pop culture, or with blacks destroying
>>  our cuture and our cities with their crime.
>
>Now you're being really stupid, buddy. You're telling me there's a "white 
>culture"??! Let me suggest something - treat yourself and venture outside the 
>U.S. sometime. Come to Europe and then tell me about that "white culture" we 
>supposedly have...! When will you people ever learn?
>
>eB


I have been to Europe, buddy, numerous times. Yes there is a white
culture. I'm not Danish, but the music of Carl Nielsen is part of
my culture. I'm not a Finn, but the music of Jean Sibelius stirs
me deeply. I'm not German by birth, but Martin Luther and the 
Reformation are part of MY history, MY culture. Included in this
are the writings of Shakespeare, Victor Hugo, Goethe, Hans
Christian Andersen, All from different Northern European
countries, but still, part of my white heritage. Anyone who 
would shrug -off such a legacy as flippantly as you do, has a 
serious lack of depth to their perception about from whence they
came. Maybe that's the reason you think as you do. Those who
taught you were so busy filling your head with liberal nonsense,
they never got around to teaching you about your own cultural
heritage. I feel sorry for you.

George Graves




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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

This is called "grasping at straws".

George Graves




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lzaird@io.org (lzaird) wrote:
>
>Please outline the people that REALLY have power, I'd lovew to hear
>who they are.  You can always say "Oh, there are these 12 Jews who
>control the world..."  But you never can name them, or how they do it.

They are called the Sanhedran (SP?). It is believed that they rule 
>from  somewhere in Switzerland, but it could be anywhere now. And 
they aren't 12 in number, they are 9.
How they rule is a nice mystery. There are several theories: 
They rule through the Builderbergers, they rule through special
"ambassadors" who act as advisors to government heads. There is
some evidence that the latter is (or was) at least one method.
Usually these people do not draw attention to themselves, but a
couple of times in this century, they have become well known. In
the United States a Jew named Bernard Baruch was advisor to
a number of presidents Including Hoover, Roosevelt, and Truman.
He was always referred to by the press as "The Elder Statesman".
Nixon's man was Henry Kissinger, who couldn't keep Dickie from
making a ass of himself with regard to Watergate. On the other
side of the fence was a Jew "business man" named Armand Hammer.
He travelled freely between the west and the Soviet Union, and had 
the ear of both Lenin and Stalin. He was the only 'American' business
man so allowed.
There is also some evidence to show that Woodrow Wilson's 
"handler" was a Jew named E. Mandel House. It's House, by the by
that we can blame for the graduated income tax and that American
Gestapo, the IRS (thank you, Mr. House). House was, by personal
creed, a communist; not so unusual, most Jews were (are?). Funny
thing, Karl Marx, in his 'Das Kapital' stated that the best way to
destroy a capitalist society was to introduce a graduated income
tax.... Could it be that our Mr. House was not acting in the best 
interest of the United States? A Jew? Not a loyal American?
Heaven forbid. Why Mr. E. Mandel House was just as loyal as the
Rosenbergs or Greenglass, or Oppenheimer!

George Graves








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evil Beavis  wrote:
>>   George Graves  writes:
>>  BHendrsn@kirk.microsys.net (Brian & Lori Henderson) wrote:
>>  >George Graves  wrote:
>>  >
>>  >>1) White Race: Northern European in extraction and culture. 
>>  >>Specifically, Anglo-Saxon, Scandanavian, German. Any group
>>  >>with white skin, predisposition toward hair color other than
>>  >>basic black, and eye color other than brown. Any group of the
>>  >>aformentioned with strong Celtic background.
>>  >
>>  >What do you do with people who show those physical attributes but
>>  >cannot trace their heritage back to a Celtic background.  Are these
>>  >people "white"?  What the heck difference does it make?
>>  
>>  For our purposes, "white" refers to a culture as much as a 
>>  race. You're the one who wanted 'white' defined. Culturally,
>>  it makes a lot of difference to a lot of us. We are proud of 
>>  our white culture, and our proud of it. We can't do that with
>>  Jews trying to imprint their culture over ours with their
>>  version of American Pop culture, or with blacks destroying
>>  our cuture and our cities with their crime.
>
>Now you're being really stupid, buddy. You're telling me there's a "white 
>culture"??! Let me suggest something - treat yourself and venture outside the 
>U.S. sometime. Come to Europe and then tell me about that "white culture" we 
>supposedly have...! When will you people ever learn?
>
>eB


I have been to Europe, buddy, numerous times. Yes there is a white
culture. I'm not Danish, but the music of Carl Nielsen is part of
my culture. I'm not a Finn, but the music of Jean Sibelius stirs
me deeply. I'm not German by birth, but Martin Luther and the 
Reformation are part of MY history, MY culture. Included in this
are the writings of Shakespeare, Victor Hugo, Goethe, Hans
Christian Andersen, All from different Northern European
countries, but still, part of my white heritage. Anyone who 
would shrug -off such a legacy as flippantly as you do, has a 
serious lack of depth to their perception about from whence they
came. Maybe that's the reason you think as you do. Those who
taught you were so busy filling your head with liberal nonsense,
they never got around to teaching you about your own cultural
heritage. I feel sorry for you.

George Graves




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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

This is called "grasping at straws".

George Graves




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lzaird@io.org (lzaird) wrote:
>
>Please outline the people that REALLY have power, I'd lovew to hear
>who they are.  You can always say "Oh, there are these 12 Jews who
>control the world..."  But you never can name them, or how they do it.

They are called the Sanhedran (SP?). It is believed that they rule 
>from  somewhere in Switzerland, but it could be anywhere now. And 
they aren't 12 in number, they are 9.
How they rule is a nice mystery. There are several theories: 
They rule through the Builderbergers, they rule through special
"ambassadors" who act as advisors to government heads. There is
some evidence that the latter is (or was) at least one method.
Usually these people do not draw attention to themselves, but a
couple of times in this century, they have become well known. In
the United States a Jew named Bernard Baruch was advisor to
a number of presidents Including Hoover, Roosevelt, and Truman.
He was always referred to by the press as "The Elder Statesman".
Nixon's man was Henry Kissinger, who couldn't keep Dickie from
making a ass of himself with regard to Watergate. On the other
side of the fence was a Jew "business man" named Armand Hammer.
He travelled freely between the west and the Soviet Union, and had 
the ear of both Lenin and Stalin. He was the only 'American' business
man so allowed.
There is also some evidence to show that Woodrow Wilson's 
"handler" was a Jew named E. Mandel House. It's House, by the by
that we can blame for the graduated income tax and that American
Gestapo, the IRS (thank you, Mr. House). House was, by personal
creed, a communist; not so unusual, most Jews were (are?). Funny
thing, Karl Marx, in his 'Das Kapital' stated that the best way to
destroy a capitalist society was to introduce a graduated income
tax.... Could it be that our Mr. House was not acting in the best 
interest of the United States? A Jew? Not a loyal American?
Heaven forbid. Why Mr. E. Mandel House was just as loyal as the
Rosenbergs or Greenglass, or Oppenheimer!

George Graves








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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

This is called "grasping at straws".

George Graves




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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

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George Graves




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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

This is called "grasping at straws".

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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

This is called "grasping at straws".

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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
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>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

This is called "grasping at straws".

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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

This is called "grasping at straws".

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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

This is called "grasping at straws".

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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

This is called "grasping at straws".

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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

This is called "grasping at straws".

George Graves



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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

This is called "grasping at straws".

George Graves



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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: FOUR TRUTHS THAT NO RACISTS CAN REFUTE
Date: 6 Nov 1995 20:54:29 GMT
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>>   George Graves  writes:
>>  BHendrsn@kirk.microsys.net (Brian & Lori Henderson) wrote:
>>  >George Graves  wrote:
>>  >
>>  >>1) White Race: Northern European in extraction and culture. 
>>  >>Specifically, Anglo-Saxon, Scandanavian, German. Any group
>>  >>with white skin, predisposition toward hair color other than
>>  >>basic black, and eye color other than brown. Any group of the
>>  >>aformentioned with strong Celtic background.
>>  >
>>  >What do you do with people who show those physical attributes but
>>  >cannot trace their heritage back to a Celtic background.  Are these
>>  >people "white"?  What the heck difference does it make?
>>  
>>  For our purposes, "white" refers to a culture as much as a 
>>  race. You're the one who wanted 'white' defined. Culturally,
>>  it makes a lot of difference to a lot of us. We are proud of 
>>  our white culture, and our proud of it. We can't do that with
>>  Jews trying to imprint their culture over ours with their
>>  version of American Pop culture, or with blacks destroying
>>  our cuture and our cities with their crime.
>
>Now you're being really stupid, buddy. You're telling me there's a "white 
>culture"??! Let me suggest something - treat yourself and venture outside the 
>U.S. sometime. Come to Europe and then tell me about that "white culture" we 
>supposedly have...! When will you people ever learn?
>
>eB


I have been to Europe, buddy, numerous times. Yes there is a white
culture. I'm not Danish, but the music of Carl Nielsen is part of
my culture. I'm not a Finn, but the music of Jean Sibelius stirs
me deeply. I'm not German by birth, but Martin Luther and the 
Reformation are part of MY history, MY culture. Included in this
are the writings of Shakespeare, Victor Hugo, Goethe, Hans
Christian Andersen, All from different Northern European
countries, but still, part of my white heritage. Anyone who 
would shrug -off such a legacy as flippantly as you do, has a 
serious lack of depth to their perception about from whence they
came. Maybe that's the reason you think as you do. Those who
taught you were so busy filling your head with liberal nonsense,
they never got around to teaching you about your own cultural
heritage. I feel sorry for you.

George Graves



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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

This is called "grasping at straws".

George Graves



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Subject: Re: ONE THING WHITE SUPREMACIST NEVER ANSWERS answer it Ron, Les, RC, Aryan Crusader, Salty, if you dare
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dredd@interport.net (Browning of America) wrote:
>If the blacks are inferior with less intelligence(we know it is a lie,
>but just predending), and you claim this by using test scores, then
>what about the Asians and Jews?
>Asians and Jews score substantially more on ALL test than your average
>white.  They score substantially more than your average European.
>Does that make them superior?
>And, just pretending your ZOG lies are true, then let them rule the
>world.  Isnt it the superior ones who are meant to rule, at least
>according to your trashy propaganda?
>Les, Aryan Crusader, Rev Ron, Racial Theorist, Salty, any responses?
>I doubt any of you will answer this question, it has been asked many
>times here before, but never answered.


May I take a stab at answering this?

Yes, Blacks consistantly score average IQs of about 15 points below
that of the general population, even when the test is geared
"Culturally" toward them. Whether this means that they are generally
less intelligent than whites is open to debate. It certainly seems
that the average black is less intelligent. Of course, even with a 
lower AVERAGE intelligence the upper lobe of the bell would extend
well beyond 100 (average, by definition) yielding a certain 
percentage of blacks who fall well above the average white man.
These exceptional intellects do well in society as do any exceptional
people.
As to Asians and Jews scoring higher than the general population,
this too would seem to be true. However, their superiority is 
measured in only one or two points above whites. I.E. whereas the
average white IQ is 15 or more points above the average black IQ,
the anerage Asian (only some Asians, not all) and Ashkenazi 
Jewish IQ is only a couple of points higher than the average white
IQ.

As to letting ZOG rule the world, do you want to be ruled a group
of people who want your race exterminated? Do you want a world
government bent on enslaving the governed? Do you want a world
government? God, what a terrible idea. All of that power 
concentrated in but a few people. Sounds like a horror story!
Whether or not Jews are smart is not the issue here and those who
think that they aren't smart are grossly underestimating their enemy.
The issue here is that Jews are EVIL not that they aren't very
intelligent. 
As far as Asians are concerned, their differences are cultural and
racial, not intellectual. 
The problem with most of you people who have bought this left-wing
"everybody is equal" bullshit, is that you don't even understand the
concept of what you call "racism". Races don't have to be
intellectually deficient to be "inferior" (allthough that certainly 
would be one criteria). They  can be culturally and morally inferior
as well.

George Graves




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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: ONE THING WHITE SUPREMACIST NEVER ANSWERS answer it Ron, Les, RC, Aryan Crusader, Salty, if you dare
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dredd@interport.net (Browning of America) wrote:
>If the blacks are inferior with less intelligence(we know it is a lie,
>but just predending), and you claim this by using test scores, then
>what about the Asians and Jews?
>Asians and Jews score substantially more on ALL test than your average
>white.  They score substantially more than your average European.
>Does that make them superior?
>And, just pretending your ZOG lies are true, then let them rule the
>world.  Isnt it the superior ones who are meant to rule, at least
>according to your trashy propaganda?
>Les, Aryan Crusader, Rev Ron, Racial Theorist, Salty, any responses?
>I doubt any of you will answer this question, it has been asked many
>times here before, but never answered.


May I take a stab at answering this?

Yes, Blacks consistantly score average IQs of about 15 points below
that of the general population, even when the test is geared
"Culturally" toward them. Whether this means that they are generally
less intelligent than whites is open to debate. It certainly seems
that the average black is less intelligent. Of course, even with a 
lower AVERAGE intelligence the upper lobe of the bell would extend
well beyond 100 (average, by definition) yielding a certain 
percentage of blacks who fall well above the average white man.
These exceptional intellects do well in society as do any exceptional
people.
As to Asians and Jews scoring higher than the general population,
this too would seem to be true. However, their superiority is 
measured in only one or two points above whites. I.E. whereas the
average white IQ is 15 or more points above the average black IQ,
the anerage Asian (only some Asians, not all) and Ashkenazi 
Jewish IQ is only a couple of points higher than the average white
IQ.

As to letting ZOG rule the world, do you want to be ruled a group
of people who want your race exterminated? Do you want a world
government bent on enslaving the governed? Do you want a world
government? God, what a terrible idea. All of that power 
concentrated in but a few people. Sounds like a horror story!
Whether or not Jews are smart is not the issue here and those who
think that they aren't smart are grossly underestimating their enemy.
The issue here is that Jews are EVIL not that they aren't very
intelligent. 
As far as Asians are concerned, their differences are cultural and
racial, not intellectual. 
The problem with most of you people who have bought this left-wing
"everybody is equal" bullshit, is that you don't even understand the
concept of what you call "racism". Races don't have to be
intellectually deficient to be "inferior" (allthough that certainly 
would be one criteria). They  can be culturally and morally inferior
as well.

George Graves




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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: FOUR TRUTHS THAT NO LIBERAL HAS REFUTED
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lzaird@io.org (lzaird) wrote:
>
>Please outline the people that REALLY have power, I'd lovew to hear
>who they are.  You can always say "Oh, there are these 12 Jews who
>control the world..."  But you never can name them, or how they do it.

They are called the Sanhedran (SP?). It is believed that they rule 
from somewhere in Switzerland, but it could be anywhere now. And 
they aren't 12 in number, they are 9.
How they rule is a nice mystery. There are several theories: 
They rule through the Builderbergers, they rule through special
"ambassadors" who act as advisors to government heads. There is
some evidence that the latter is (or was) at least one method.
Usually these people do not draw attention to themselves, but a
couple of times in this century, they have become well known. In
the United States a Jew named Bernard Baruch was advisor to
a number of presidents Including Hoover, Roosevelt, and Truman.
He was always referred to by the press as "The Elder Statesman".
Nixon's man was Henry Kissinger, who couldn't keep Dickie from
making a ass of himself with regard to Watergate. On the other
side of the fence was a Jew "business man" named Armand Hammer.
He travelled freely between the west and the Soviet Union, and had 
the ear of both Lenin and Stalin. He was the only 'American' business
man so allowed.
There is also some evidence to show that Woodrow Wilson's 
"handler" was a Jew named E. Mandel House. It's House, by the by
that we can blame for the graduated income tax and that American
Gestapo, the IRS (thank you, Mr. House). House was, by personal
creed, a communist; not so unusual, most Jews were (are?). Funny
thing, Karl Marx, in his 'Das Kapital' stated that the best way to
destroy a capitalist society was to introduce a graduated income
tax.... Could it be that our Mr. House was not acting in the best 
interest of the United States? A Jew? Not a loyal American?
Heaven forbid. Why Mr. E. Mandel House was just as loyal as the
Rosenbergs or Greenglass, or Oppenheimer!

George Graves







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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: FOUR TRUTHS THAT NO RACISTS CAN REFUTE
Date: 5 Nov 1995 00:03:42 GMT
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BHendrsn@kirk.microsys.net (Brian & Lori Henderson) wrote:
>George Graves  wrote:
>
>>1) White Race: Northern European in extraction and culture. 
>>Specifically, Anglo-Saxon, Scandanavian, German. Any group
>>with white skin, predisposition toward hair color other than
>>basic black, and eye color other than brown. Any group of the
>>aformentioned with strong Celtic background.
>
>What do you do with people who show those physical attributes but
>cannot trace their heritage back to a Celtic background.  Are these
>people "white"?  What the heck difference does it make?

For our purposes, "white" refers to a culture as much as a 
race. You're the one who wanted 'white' defined. Culturally,
it makes a lot of difference to a lot of us. We are proud of 
our white culture, and our proud of it. We can't do that with
Jews trying to imprint their culture over ours with their
version of American Pop culture, or with blacks destroying
our cuture and our cities with their crime.
>
>>2) Standard IQ tests given in most civilized countries show 
>>Blacks to have an 'Average' IQ 15 points lower than the 'average'
>>white. This was recently quoted in Scientific American, I believe.
>
>And, as has also been shown time and time again, whites have an IQ
>consistently below that of Asians.  Or do you just want to forget that part?

I didn't forget about it at all. The question was, prove that there
is a racial difference in IQ. I answered the question. You are 
using irrelivencies to make your point.
>
>>3) A recent survey done by the U.S. Government for the State Dept.
>>showed that more than 85% of all American newspapers  have 
>>Jewish owners (including the NY Times, Washington Post, and
>>Chicago Tribune. The head of the news departments for all four
>>major networks are Jewish (NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS). If this isn't
>>Jewish control of the media, then I don't know what is.
>
>How do you determine if someone is Jewish?  By their name?  Guess
>what, one of my girlfriends was Jewish and her last name was Dong
>(half-Chinese).  I also have a good friend whose last name is
>Rosenberg who isn't even remotely Jewish.

Most of the time, you can tell by name, not always. Stien is 
usually a Jewish name, but it can be Goyishe German too. 
Rosenberg is another name that is usually, but not necessarilly
Jewish. Hitler had a henchman by that name if I remember 
correctly. If you want to know how the government discerned
Jewish ownership of newspapers and control of the news
departments of the networks, ask the general accounting office,
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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: ONE THING WHITE SUPREMACIST NEVER ANSWERS answer it Ron, Les, RC, Aryan Crusader, Salty, if you dare
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>>   George Graves  writes:
>
>>  White man uses HIS intelligence to build. Asians use it for no
>>  purpose (except where to get something to eat), and Jews use it
>>  to parasite off of the civilization built by whites.
>>  
>>  George Graves
>
>Which part of this great civilization did you build Mr. Graves??
>
>eB


The part right next to the part you built Mr. eB.

George Graves



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atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
>In article <47cgbt$qr@news2.aimnet.com>, George Graves
> wrote:
>
>  :White man uses HIS intelligence to build.
>
>Ah, yes, Kemo Sabe. White man build big things.
>
>  :Asians use it for no purpose (except where to get something to eat),
>
>Here's a $10 bill that says that at least part of the computer you used to
>post this was buil by Asians.

Sure, after we taught 'em how!

George Graves
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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: ONE THING WHITE SUPREMACIST NEVER ANSWERS answer it Ron, Les, RC, Aryan Crusader, Salty, if you dare
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>>   George Graves  writes:
>>  evil Beavis  wrote:
>>  >>  white people do rule.
>>  >>  in loyal service to the white race,
>>  >>  
>>  >>  r.c. richards, racial theorist
>>  >
>>  >But for how long will we?? The world will integrate and change whether you and 
>>  >your retarded buddies like it or not. If there is anything to Social Darwinism, you 
>>  >people will certainly not have the skills required to adapt and survive.
>>  >
>>  >eB
>>  
>>  Oh, you mean the way Quizling had the "skills to adapt" under
>>  the Hitlerites? Do Scandanavians ALWAYS bend whichever way the 
>>  wind blows? You might call it Social Darwinism, I call it
>>  spinelessness.
>>  
>>  George Graves
>
>Quisling was Norwegian and a fool. We in Sweden avoided a pointless resistance 
>and defeat. Instead we used resources saving Jews in Hungary (Raoul Wallenberg) 
>and helped many Danes and Norwegians seek refuge in our country. Not helping 
>out the Finns after promising them that was a dirty game played by the government 
>though. But that was then, does it mean anything today? In that case I guess 
>Americans are spineless, cruel, and treacherous for stealing from the Indians, 
>enslaving Africans etc. I do not hold this against today's Americans however, so why 
>hold things from WWII against me?
>
>eB

You miss my point. Quizling had the resources to "adapt" to a
changing world as you stated we American racists don't have. 
I was merely pointing out that Quizling "adapted" by collaborating.
You Scandinavians (as you yourself have said) seem to have 
adopted race mixing with a vengence. This is your way of 
collaborating with the enemies of the white race (the Jew)
to help destroy it. In other words, I was using Quizling as an 
example.

George Graves



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From: George Graves 
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>Nearly all black and brown skins are beautiful, 
>but a beautiful white skin is rare.  How rare, 
>one may learn by walking down a street in Paris, 
>New York or London on a weekday - Particularly 
>an unfashionable street - and keeping count of 
>the satisfactory complexions encountered in the 
>course of a mile  Where dark complexions are massed, 
>they make the whites look bleached out, unwholesome, 
>and sometimes frankly ghastly.
>
Are you feeling alright? What a load of nonsense! Mud people are
prettier than whites. Right. That's why your average black male 
wants a blond white woman more than anything (you know, like
O.J. ..er, had)

George Graves



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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: Les doesn't understand the CIVIL War now.
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atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
>In article <46ssk8$pju@news2.aimnet.com>, George Graves
> wrote:
>
>  :Actually, slavery was minor issue when the war started. It certainly
>  :became one of the major issues of the war when Lincoln 
>  :emancipated the slaves in1863. (this has always struck me as
>  :funny. It's like Roosevelt freeing the Jews from Nazi concentration
>  :camps in 1942 by decree. I.e. it only works if the side making
>  :the decree wins the war). 
>
>The EP was a purely political move, and it succeeded in keeping England
>and France from assisting the CSA.
>
>  :Les is correct on another front as well. Since the "Nawth" won. 
>  :they can call the war anything they like, but technically, the term
>  :"Civil War" is innacurate.  A civil war is a war in which certain
>  :factions of a populace rebel against the state. Since the South
>  :seceeded, and formed their own country, this is not the case.
>
>Whether or not the South was a separate nation was sort of the whole point
>fo the war. The North said no. The South said yes. The north won the war
>and, hence, the debate.
>
>How a conflict is classified depends greatly on the outcome; the only
>difference between a rebellion and a revolution or secession is which side
>wins.
>
>Are Chiapas, Chechnya, Tamil, and the Serb-held areas of Bosnia
>independent nations? They seem to think so. The internationally-recognized
>governments of Mexico, Russia, Sri Lanka, and Bosnia think otherwise.
>
>  :The U.S. Revolutionary war was, strictly speaking, a civil war.
>
>How so? The U.S. declared its nationhood in 1776. The Continental Congress
>was a duly constituted legislature that consucted foreign policy. 
>
>  :Most Americans don't seem to understand (perhaps because they
>  :are not taught this in school) that in 1861 seccession was not
>  :illegal. The Constitution had no provision for keeping the individual
>  :states from leaving the Union if they so desired.
>
>Nor did it have any provision allowing states to leave. This was a gray
>area in the Constitution, and one that was the subject of heated debate
>from the beginning of the 19th century.
>
>  :In fact, In a conversation with President Lincoln, Secretary of State 
>  :Seward mentioned to him that the U.S.A. had no LEGAL right to force the
>  :South to rejoin the Union. To this, Lincoln replied that he knew
>  :that his action against the Confederacy was illegal, but that he
>  :could not stand by and let the Union dissolve 
>
>I know I'm just whistling into a strong headwind, but I would love to see
>a cite for this.
>
>
>  :(this is possibly the first case of the U.S. government ignoring the 
>  :Constitution when it got in the  way of what they wanted to do, as we 
>  :know, its certainly not the last).
>
>Nor the first, depending on how you define your terms--prior to
>ratification, Jefferson argued vociferously against the very notion of
>implied powers (championed by Alexander Hamilton). Yet he acted under that
>doctrine when he bought the Louisiana Purchase.

Very Interesting post. I agree with most of what you say. Where we
differ is with the Revolutionary War. I say it was a true "Civil
War" because you had two factions within a defined geographical/
political entity fighting each other for opposing political beliefs 
(I.E. the Torries vs. the Revolutionists). The way in which this
differs from the War Between the States, is that in the latter case
a definite political/geographic boundry existed. In this case,
"Yankees" sympathetic to the Southern Cause went south of that
international boundry, and Southerners who remained "Unionists"
went north of that boundry. In the Revolution, You, the "Patriot" may
have had a Torry as a next door neighbor. He was helping the 
British Army to put you and your revolution down.
As to the Lincoln/Seward discussion. I have seen it quoted often. I
respectfully direct your attention to James M. McPherson's history
of the War Between the States, entitled: "Battle Cry of Freedom"
It is noted there.

George Graves 



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lzaird@io.org (lzaird) wrote:
>
>Please outline the people that REALLY have power, I'd lovew to hear
>who they are.  You can always say "Oh, there are these 12 Jews who
>control the world..."  But you never can name them, or how they do it.

They are called the Sanhedran (SP?). It is believed that they rule 
from somewhere in Switzerland, but it could be anywhere now. And 
they aren't 12 in number, they are 9.
How they rule is a nice mystery. There are several theories: 
They rule through the Builderbergers, they rule through special
"ambassadors" who act as advisors to government heads. There is
some evidence that the latter is (or was) at least one method.
Usually these people do not draw attention to themselves, but a
couple of times in this century, they have become well known. In
the United States a Jew named Bernard Baruch was advisor to
a number of presidents Including Hoover, Roosevelt, and Truman.
He was always referred to by the press as "The Elder Statesman".
Nixon's man was Henry Kissinger, who couldn't keep Dickie from
making a ass of himself with regard to Watergate. On the other
side of the fence was a Jew "business man" named Armand Hammer.
He travelled freely between the west and the Soviet Union, and had 
the ear of both Lenin and Stalin. He was the only 'American' business
man so allowed.
There is also some evidence to show that Woodrow Wilson's 
"handler" was a Jew named E. Mandel House. It's House, by the by
that we can blame for the graduated income tax and that American
Gestapo, the IRS (thank you, Mr. House). House was, by personal
creed, a communist; not so unusual, most Jews were (are?). Funny
thing, Karl Marx, in his 'Das Kapital' stated that the best way to
destroy a capitalist society was to introduce a graduated income
tax.... Could it be that our Mr. House was not acting in the best 
interest of the United States? A Jew? Not a loyal American?
Heaven forbid. Why Mr. E. Mandel House was just as loyal as the
Rosenbergs or Greenglass, or Oppenheimer!

George Graves







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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

This is called "grasping at straws".

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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

This is called "grasping at straws".

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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

This is called "grasping at straws".

George Graves



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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: FOUR TRUTHS THAT NO RACISTS CAN REFUTE
Date: 6 Nov 1995 20:54:29 GMT
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>>   George Graves  writes:
>>  BHendrsn@kirk.microsys.net (Brian & Lori Henderson) wrote:
>>  >George Graves  wrote:
>>  >
>>  >>1) White Race: Northern European in extraction and culture. 
>>  >>Specifically, Anglo-Saxon, Scandanavian, German. Any group
>>  >>with white skin, predisposition toward hair color other than
>>  >>basic black, and eye color other than brown. Any group of the
>>  >>aformentioned with strong Celtic background.
>>  >
>>  >What do you do with people who show those physical attributes but
>>  >cannot trace their heritage back to a Celtic background.  Are these
>>  >people "white"?  What the heck difference does it make?
>>  
>>  For our purposes, "white" refers to a culture as much as a 
>>  race. You're the one who wanted 'white' defined. Culturally,
>>  it makes a lot of difference to a lot of us. We are proud of 
>>  our white culture, and our proud of it. We can't do that with
>>  Jews trying to imprint their culture over ours with their
>>  version of American Pop culture, or with blacks destroying
>>  our cuture and our cities with their crime.
>
>Now you're being really stupid, buddy. You're telling me there's a "white 
>culture"??! Let me suggest something - treat yourself and venture outside the 
>U.S. sometime. Come to Europe and then tell me about that "white culture" we 
>supposedly have...! When will you people ever learn?
>
>eB


I have been to Europe, buddy, numerous times. Yes there is a white
culture. I'm not Danish, but the music of Carl Nielsen is part of
my culture. I'm not a Finn, but the music of Jean Sibelius stirs
me deeply. I'm not German by birth, but Martin Luther and the 
Reformation are part of MY history, MY culture. Included in this
are the writings of Shakespeare, Victor Hugo, Goethe, Hans
Christian Andersen, All from different Northern European
countries, but still, part of my white heritage. Anyone who 
would shrug -off such a legacy as flippantly as you do, has a 
serious lack of depth to their perception about from whence they
came. Maybe that's the reason you think as you do. Those who
taught you were so busy filling your head with liberal nonsense,
they never got around to teaching you about your own cultural
heritage. I feel sorry for you.

George Graves



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>Did the founders kill people?  Yes.  So obviously they did not believe
>that "inalienable" meant quite what you seem to think it does.
>
>Did the founders and patriots punish those who had sided with the British?
>Yes.  So "pursuit of happiness" must not have been so limitless in
>meaning to them as it seems to be to you.
>
>I'm willing to discuss this further... when you get your thoughts together
>and present something easier to follow.
>
>-McDaniel -- speaking for himself.

This is called "grasping at straws".

George Graves



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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: ONE THING WHITE SUPREMACIST NEVER ANSWERS answer it Ron, Les, RC, Aryan Crusader, Salty, if you dare
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dredd@interport.net (Browning of America) wrote:
>If the blacks are inferior with less intelligence(we know it is a lie,
>but just predending), and you claim this by using test scores, then
>what about the Asians and Jews?
>Asians and Jews score substantially more on ALL test than your average
>white.  They score substantially more than your average European.
>Does that make them superior?
>And, just pretending your ZOG lies are true, then let them rule the
>world.  Isnt it the superior ones who are meant to rule, at least
>according to your trashy propaganda?
>Les, Aryan Crusader, Rev Ron, Racial Theorist, Salty, any responses?
>I doubt any of you will answer this question, it has been asked many
>times here before, but never answered.


May I take a stab at answering this?

Yes, Blacks consistantly score average IQs of about 15 points below
that of the general population, even when the test is geared
"Culturally" toward them. Whether this means that they are generally
less intelligent than whites is open to debate. It certainly seems
that the average black is less intelligent. Of course, even with a 
lower AVERAGE intelligence the upper lobe of the bell would extend
well beyond 100 (average, by definition) yielding a certain 
percentage of blacks who fall well above the average white man.
These exceptional intellects do well in society as do any exceptional
people.
As to Asians and Jews scoring higher than the general population,
this too would seem to be true. However, their superiority is 
measured in only one or two points above whites. I.E. whereas the
average white IQ is 15 or more points above the average black IQ,
the anerage Asian (only some Asians, not all) and Ashkenazi 
Jewish IQ is only a couple of points higher than the average white
IQ.

As to letting ZOG rule the world, do you want to be ruled a group
of people who want your race exterminated? Do you want a world
government bent on enslaving the governed? Do you want a world
government? God, what a terrible idea. All of that power 
concentrated in but a few people. Sounds like a horror story!
Whether or not Jews are smart is not the issue here and those who
think that they aren't smart are grossly underestimating their enemy.
The issue here is that Jews are EVIL not that they aren't very
intelligent. 
As far as Asians are concerned, their differences are cultural and
racial, not intellectual. 
The problem with most of you people who have bought this left-wing
"everybody is equal" bullshit, is that you don't even understand the
concept of what you call "racism". Races don't have to be
intellectually deficient to be "inferior" (allthough that certainly 
would be one criteria). They  can be culturally and morally inferior
as well.

George Graves




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dredd@interport.net (Browning of America) wrote:
>If the blacks are inferior with less intelligence(we know it is a lie,
>but just predending), and you claim this by using test scores, then
>what about the Asians and Jews?
>Asians and Jews score substantially more on ALL test than your average
>white.  They score substantially more than your average European.
>Does that make them superior?
>And, just pretending your ZOG lies are true, then let them rule the
>world.  Isnt it the superior ones who are meant to rule, at least
>according to your trashy propaganda?
>Les, Aryan Crusader, Rev Ron, Racial Theorist, Salty, any responses?
>I doubt any of you will answer this question, it has been asked many
>times here before, but never answered.


May I take a stab at answering this?

Yes, Blacks consistantly score average IQs of about 15 points below
that of the general population, even when the test is geared
"Culturally" toward them. Whether this means that they are generally
less intelligent than whites is open to debate. It certainly seems
that the average black is less intelligent. Of course, even with a 
lower AVERAGE intelligence the upper lobe of the bell would extend
well beyond 100 (average, by definition) yielding a certain 
percentage of blacks who fall well above the average white man.
These exceptional intellects do well in society as do any exceptional
people.
As to Asians and Jews scoring higher than the general population,
this too would seem to be true. However, their superiority is 
measured in only one or two points above whites. I.E. whereas the
average white IQ is 15 or more points above the average black IQ,
the anerage Asian (only some Asians, not all) and Ashkenazi 
Jewish IQ is only a couple of points higher than the average white
IQ.

As to letting ZOG rule the world, do you want to be ruled a group
of people who want your race exterminated? Do you want a world
government bent on enslaving the governed? Do you want a world
government? God, what a terrible idea. All of that power 
concentrated in but a few people. Sounds like a horror story!
Whether or not Jews are smart is not the issue here and those who
think that they aren't smart are grossly underestimating their enemy.
The issue here is that Jews are EVIL not that they aren't very
intelligent. 
As far as Asians are concerned, their differences are cultural and
racial, not intellectual. 
The problem with most of you people who have bought this left-wing
"everybody is equal" bullshit, is that you don't even understand the
concept of what you call "racism". Races don't have to be
intellectually deficient to be "inferior" (allthough that certainly 
would be one criteria). They  can be culturally and morally inferior
as well.

George Graves




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Subject: Re: FOUR TRUTHS THAT NO LIBERAL HAS REFUTED
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lzaird@io.org (lzaird) wrote:
>
>Please outline the people that REALLY have power, I'd lovew to hear
>who they are.  You can always say "Oh, there are these 12 Jews who
>control the world..."  But you never can name them, or how they do it.

They are called the Sanhedran (SP?). It is believed that they rule 
from somewhere in Switzerland, but it could be anywhere now. And 
they aren't 12 in number, they are 9.
How they rule is a nice mystery. There are several theories: 
They rule through the Builderbergers, they rule through special
"ambassadors" who act as advisors to government heads. There is
some evidence that the latter is (or was) at least one method.
Usually these people do not draw attention to themselves, but a
couple of times in this century, they have become well known. In
the United States a Jew named Bernard Baruch was advisor to
a number of presidents Including Hoover, Roosevelt, and Truman.
He was always referred to by the press as "The Elder Statesman".
Nixon's man was Henry Kissinger, who couldn't keep Dickie from
making a ass of himself with regard to Watergate. On the other
side of the fence was a Jew "business man" named Armand Hammer.
He travelled freely between the west and the Soviet Union, and had 
the ear of both Lenin and Stalin. He was the only 'American' business
man so allowed.
There is also some evidence to show that Woodrow Wilson's 
"handler" was a Jew named E. Mandel House. It's House, by the by
that we can blame for the graduated income tax and that American
Gestapo, the IRS (thank you, Mr. House). House was, by personal
creed, a communist; not so unusual, most Jews were (are?). Funny
thing, Karl Marx, in his 'Das Kapital' stated that the best way to
destroy a capitalist society was to introduce a graduated income
tax.... Could it be that our Mr. House was not acting in the best 
interest of the United States? A Jew? Not a loyal American?
Heaven forbid. Why Mr. E. Mandel House was just as loyal as the
Rosenbergs or Greenglass, or Oppenheimer!

George Graves







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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: FOUR TRUTHS THAT NO RACISTS CAN REFUTE
Date: 5 Nov 1995 00:03:42 GMT
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BHendrsn@kirk.microsys.net (Brian & Lori Henderson) wrote:
>George Graves  wrote:
>
>>1) White Race: Northern European in extraction and culture. 
>>Specifically, Anglo-Saxon, Scandanavian, German. Any group
>>with white skin, predisposition toward hair color other than
>>basic black, and eye color other than brown. Any group of the
>>aformentioned with strong Celtic background.
>
>What do you do with people who show those physical attributes but
>cannot trace their heritage back to a Celtic background.  Are these
>people "white"?  What the heck difference does it make?

For our purposes, "white" refers to a culture as much as a 
race. You're the one who wanted 'white' defined. Culturally,
it makes a lot of difference to a lot of us. We are proud of 
our white culture, and our proud of it. We can't do that with
Jews trying to imprint their culture over ours with their
version of American Pop culture, or with blacks destroying
our cuture and our cities with their crime.
>
>>2) Standard IQ tests given in most civilized countries show 
>>Blacks to have an 'Average' IQ 15 points lower than the 'average'
>>white. This was recently quoted in Scientific American, I believe.
>
>And, as has also been shown time and time again, whites have an IQ
>consistently below that of Asians.  Or do you just want to forget that part?

I didn't forget about it at all. The question was, prove that there
is a racial difference in IQ. I answered the question. You are 
using irrelivencies to make your point.
>
>>3) A recent survey done by the U.S. Government for the State Dept.
>>showed that more than 85% of all American newspapers  have 
>>Jewish owners (including the NY Times, Washington Post, and
>>Chicago Tribune. The head of the news departments for all four
>>major networks are Jewish (NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS). If this isn't
>>Jewish control of the media, then I don't know what is.
>
>How do you determine if someone is Jewish?  By their name?  Guess
>what, one of my girlfriends was Jewish and her last name was Dong
>(half-Chinese).  I also have a good friend whose last name is
>Rosenberg who isn't even remotely Jewish.

Most of the time, you can tell by name, not always. Stien is 
usually a Jewish name, but it can be Goyishe German too. 
Rosenberg is another name that is usually, but not necessarilly
Jewish. Hitler had a henchman by that name if I remember 
correctly. If you want to know how the government discerned
Jewish ownership of newspapers and control of the news
departments of the networks, ask the general accounting office,
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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: ONE THING WHITE SUPREMACIST NEVER ANSWERS answer it Ron, Les, RC, Aryan Crusader, Salty, if you dare
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>>   George Graves  writes:
>
>>  White man uses HIS intelligence to build. Asians use it for no
>>  purpose (except where to get something to eat), and Jews use it
>>  to parasite off of the civilization built by whites.
>>  
>>  George Graves
>
>Which part of this great civilization did you build Mr. Graves??
>
>eB


The part right next to the part you built Mr. eB.

George Graves



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atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
>In article <47cgbt$qr@news2.aimnet.com>, George Graves
> wrote:
>
>  :White man uses HIS intelligence to build.
>
>Ah, yes, Kemo Sabe. White man build big things.
>
>  :Asians use it for no purpose (except where to get something to eat),
>
>Here's a $10 bill that says that at least part of the computer you used to
>post this was buil by Asians.

Sure, after we taught 'em how!

George Graves
>




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From: George Graves 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: ONE THING WHITE SUPREMACIST NEVER ANSWERS answer it Ron, Les, RC, Aryan Crusader, Salty, if you dare
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>>   George Graves  writes:
>>  evil Beavis  wrote:
>>  >>  white people do rule.
>>  >>  in loyal service to the white race,
>>  >>  
>>  >>  r.c. richards, racial theorist
>>  >
>>  >But for how long will we?? The world will integrate and change whether you and 
>>  >your retarded buddies like it or not. If there is anything to Social Darwinism, you 
>>  >people will certainly not have the skills required to adapt and survive.
>>  >
>>  >eB
>>  
>>  Oh, you mean the way Quizling had the "skills to adapt" under
>>  the Hitlerites? Do Scandanavians ALWAYS bend whichever way the 
>>  wind blows? You might call it Social Darwinism, I call it
>>  spinelessness.
>>  
>>  George Graves
>
>Quisling was Norwegian and a fool. We in Sweden avoided a pointless resistance 
>and defeat. Instead we used resources saving Jews in Hungary (Raoul Wallenberg) 
>and helped many Danes and Norwegians seek refuge in our country. Not helping 
>out the Finns after promising them that was a dirty game played by the government 
>though. But that was then, does it mean anything today? In that case I guess 
>Americans are spineless, cruel, and treacherous for stealing from the Indians, 
>enslaving Africans etc. I do not hold this against today's Americans however, so why 
>hold things from WWII against me?
>
>eB

You miss my point. Quizling had the resources to "adapt" to a
changing world as you stated we American racists don't have. 
I was merely pointing out that Quizling "adapted" by collaborating.
You Scandinavians (as you yourself have said) seem to have 
adopted race mixing with a vengence. This is your way of 
collaborating with the enemies of the white race (the Jew)
to help destroy it. In other words, I was using Quizling as an 
example.

George Graves



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From: George Graves 
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>Nearly all black and brown skins are beautiful, 
>but a beautiful white skin is rare.  How rare, 
>one may learn by walking down a street in Paris, 
>New York or London on a weekday - Particularly 
>an unfashionable street - and keeping count of 
>the satisfactory complexions encountered in the 
>course of a mile  Where dark complexions are massed, 
>they make the whites look bleached out, unwholesome, 
>and sometimes frankly ghastly.
>
Are you feeling alright? What a load of nonsense! Mud people are
prettier than whites. Right. That's why your average black male 
wants a blond white woman more than anything (you know, like
O.J. ..er, had)

George Graves



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From: George Graves 
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Subject: Re: Les doesn't understand the CIVIL War now.
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atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
>In article <46ssk8$pju@news2.aimnet.com>, George Graves
> wrote:
>
>  :Actually, slavery was minor issue when the war started. It certainly
>  :became one of the major issues of the war when Lincoln 
>  :emancipated the slaves in1863. (this has always struck me as
>  :funny. It's like Roosevelt freeing the Jews from Nazi concentration
>  :camps in 1942 by decree. I.e. it only works if the side making
>  :the decree wins the war). 
>
>The EP was a purely political move, and it succeeded in keeping England
>and France from assisting the CSA.
>
>  :Les is correct on another front as well. Since the "Nawth" won. 
>  :they can call the war anything they like, but technically, the term
>  :"Civil War" is innacurate.  A civil war is a war in which certain
>  :factions of a populace rebel against the state. Since the South
>  :seceeded, and formed their own country, this is not the case.
>
>Whether or not the South was a separate nation was sort of the whole point
>fo the war. The North said no. The South said yes. The north won the war
>and, hence, the debate.
>
>How a conflict is classified depends greatly on the outcome; the only
>difference between a rebellion and a revolution or secession is which side
>wins.
>
>Are Chiapas, Chechnya, Tamil, and the Serb-held areas of Bosnia
>independent nations? They seem to think so. The internationally-recognized
>governments of Mexico, Russia, Sri Lanka, and Bosnia think otherwise.
>
>  :The U.S. Revolutionary war was, strictly speaking, a civil war.
>
>How so? The U.S. declared its nationhood in 1776. The Continental Congress
>was a duly constituted legislature that consucted foreign policy. 
>
>  :Most Americans don't seem to understand (perhaps because they
>  :are not taught this in school) that in 1861 seccession was not
>  :illegal. The Constitution had no provision for keeping the individual
>  :states from leaving the Union if they so desired.
>
>Nor did it have any provision allowing states to leave. This was a gray
>area in the Constitution, and one that was the subject of heated debate
>from the beginning of the 19th century.
>
>  :In fact, In a conversation with President Lincoln, Secretary of State 
>  :Seward mentioned to him that the U.S.A. had no LEGAL right to force the
>  :South to rejoin the Union. To this, Lincoln replied that he knew
>  :that his action against the Confederacy was illegal, but that he
>  :could not stand by and let the Union dissolve 
>
>I know I'm just whistling into a strong headwind, but I would love to see
>a cite for this.
>
>
>  :(this is possibly the first case of the U.S. government ignoring the 
>  :Constitution when it got in the  way of what they wanted to do, as we 
>  :know, its certainly not the last).
>
>Nor the first, depending on how you define your terms--prior to
>ratification, Jefferson argued vociferously against the very notion of
>implied powers (championed by Alexander Hamilton). Yet he acted under that
>doctrine when he bought the Louisiana Purchase.

Very Interesting post. I agree with most of what you say. Where we
differ is with the Revolutionary War. I say it was a true "Civil
War" because you had two factions within a defined geographical/
political entity fighting each other for opposing political beliefs 
(I.E. the Torries vs. the Revolutionists). The way in which this
differs from the War Between the States, is that in the latter case
a definite political/geographic boundry existed. In this case,
"Yankees" sympathetic to the Southern Cause went south of that
international boundry, and Southerners who remained "Unionists"
went north of that boundry. In the Revolution, You, the "Patriot" may
have had a Torry as a next door neighbor. He was helping the 
British Army to put you and your revolution down.
As to the Lincoln/Seward discussion. I have seen it quoted often. I
respectfully direct your attention to James M. McPherson's history
of the War Between the States, entitled: "Battle Cry of Freedom"
It is noted there.

George Graves 



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Subject: Re: FOUR TRUTHS THAT NO LIBERAL HAS REFUTED
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lzaird@io.org (lzaird) wrote:
>
>Please outline the people that REALLY have power, I'd lovew to hear
>who they are.  You can always say "Oh, there are these 12 Jews who
>control the world..."  But you never can name them, or how they do it.

They are called the Sanhedran (SP?). It is believed that they rule 
from somewhere in Switzerland, but it could be anywhere now. And 
they aren't 12 in number, they are 9.
How they rule is a nice mystery. There are several theories: 
They rule through the Builderbergers, they rule through special
"ambassadors" who act as advisors to government heads. There is
some evidence that the latter is (or was) at least one method.
Usually these people do not draw attention to themselves, but a
couple of times in this century, they have become well known. In
the United States a Jew named Bernard Baruch was advisor to
a number of presidents Including Hoover, Roosevelt, and Truman.
He was always referred to by the press as "The Elder Statesman".
Nixon's man was Henry Kissinger, who couldn't keep Dickie from
making a ass of himself with regard to Watergate. On the other
side of the fence was a Jew "business man" named Armand Hammer.
He travelled freely between the west and the Soviet Union, and had 
the ear of both Lenin and Stalin. He was the only 'American' business
man so allowed.
There is also some evidence to show that Woodrow Wilson's 
"handler" was a Jew named E. Mandel House. It's House, by the by
that we can blame for the graduated income tax and that American
Gestapo, the IRS (thank you, Mr. House). House was, by personal
creed, a communist; not so unusual, most Jews were (are?). Funny
thing, Karl Marx, in his 'Das Kapital' stated that the best way to
destroy a capitalist society was to introduce a graduated income
tax.... Could it be that our Mr. House was not acting in the best 
interest of the United States? A Jew? Not a loyal American?
Heaven forbid. Why Mr. E. Mandel House was just as loyal as the
Rosenbergs or Greenglass, or Oppenheimer!

George Graves







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I yam what I yam wrote:

> 
> I never calimde that they didn't waht to improve themselves culturally or
> technologically. I merely claimed that PERHAPS the reason the african
> civilivations didn't try to invade europe was because they were content.
> You will find that even today, many african tribes are peace loving and
> have absolutely no desire to inflict suffering on others.
> 

Go to the South African Homelands like Soweto. Look at the high fences
between the various 'neighborhoods' Those fences are not to keep whites
out. they're to keep the various tribes who live in the neighborhoods from
killing eack other over tribal feuds as old as time itself. Peace loving
my ass. 

George Graves


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Joseph Guerrant wrote:
> 
> >I'm not claiming that all blacks have the same cultural values.
> >I don't believe that Jesse Jackson or Colin Powell believes that
> >it's okay for 13 year olds to get pregnant or that shooting someone
> >over = gang territory is acceptable.  But to pretend that there is
> >not a significant sub-culture within the black community that does
> >is = just hiding your head in the sand.
> >
> >I'm glad you aren't claming that Blacks have monolithic values or
> >opinions.  You are really a great guy!  Yes, I will agree that
> >there is a sub-culture within the Black community.  The real question
> >is, why?
> 
> Gang members (mostly white) were shooting each other over alcohol
> gang territory in the 1920's.  Since then, whites have become much
> more moral, apparently.  If we can find out *why* the heck they're
> so darn moral today, then we might be on to something!  We might
> be able to help black folks with their current gang problems.  Of
> course, gangs aren't always looked at negatively in the black
> community, but it was often the same in the white community back
> in the 1920's.  Why?
> 
> Why can't Congress maybe just spend a bunch of our money on a study
> to answer this hard question?  Why did white gangs care about
> territory in the 1920's through early 1930's, and today gangs of
> all colors of the rainbow seem to care about territories, too?
> Prior to the last couple decades, the period in between didn't see
> as much territoriality.  We had high violent crime rates back in
> the 1920-33 period, then it went way down later.  If someone knows
> the answer, they might be able to solve the problem.  Currently,
> it's a very very big secret.
> 
> --
> Joe Guerrant - jguer@primenet.com

Are you refering to the bootleg wars during Prohibition? If so, no study
is necessary. It was for money, pure and simple. The gangs (mostly 
Sicilian Mafiosi and Neopolitan "Black Hand') fought each other for control
of various bootleg liqour markets, and the real bad violence was 
concentrated around Chicago. When Prohibition (a law banning the sale
and consumption of alcohol by citizens of the United States) was repealed
in 1933, most of this type of violence went away.

George Graves


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Henry H Hansteen wrote:
> 
> David Reilley (dreilley@pinc.com) wrote:
> : In article  dam@dsc.gla.ac.uk (David A Morning) writes:
> : >Subject: Re: Million Nigger march? HA!
> : >From: dam@dsc.gla.ac.uk (David A Morning)
> : >Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 16:44:19 GMT
> 
> : >In article <46u1a4$k9d@news.sas.ab.ca>,
> : >kirkeric@fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:
> 
> : >> Eddie Bluffard (e_bluff@dimen.co.uk) wrote:
> : >> : >> The phone was invented in 1876 by A.G. Bell and a friend who were both
> : >> : >> white Americans.
> : >>
> : >> : Alexander Graham Bell was not an American. Try again.
> : >>
> : >>
> : >>         He and his pal ... they were white ... wern't they?
> 
> : >Nope, Scottish actually.
> 
> : Living in Canada.
> 
Alexander Graham Bell was a Scotsman living in Boston and teaching
the deaf. James Watson, his assistant, was an American, probably
of British extraction.

George Graves


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Henry H Hansteen wrote:
> 
> Edward Johnson (edvamp@newshost.li.net) wrote:
> 
> : : The Constitution itself may be mocked by some USENET participants in or
> : : out of the United States of America. That is not an issue. The fact is,
> : : whether one wishes to accept it or not, ALL men and women are equal.
> 
> :       I'm not quite sure if your naivete amuses or disgusts me.  In
> : every country there are differences and privelages enjoyed by a few that
> : are ENFORCED BY LAW.  The rules are different for different people so
> : please don't talk to me about everyone being equal.
> 
> : : The concept is age old, and knows no national borders.
> 
> :       Actually the concept is only about 200 years old.  The concept of
> : sin and morality are age old, but still pointless and meaningless.
> 
> :                                                       Ever and Always
> :                                                       Edvamp
> 
> Please remove alt.smokers from the header.

You both have it wrong. The Declaration Of Independence states that
all men are created equal. Jefferson 'borrowed' the phrase from the 
Virginia Constitution which says: ....All men born free are equal under
the laws of this Dominion". It simply means that all men are equal
UNDER THE LAW. It might also help you to know that blacks were not
considered 'men' and neither were women nor colonists who owned
no land. Their definition and imterpretation of these words and the 
modern one are somewhat different.

George Graves


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David Lynch wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> 
> : No I don't believe in creationism! I know far too much about history,
> : geology, and paleantology to buy parables as gospel. I'd watch that
> : "self-righteousness" stuff if I were you. People who live in glass
> : houses shouldn't throw bricks.
> 
> And people who live in Denny's shouldn't forget the delicious fresh ice
> cream! It's perfect for on top of Denny's pies, or just by itself. I
> scream, you scream, we all scream for Denny's ice cream!
> 
> --
> eraserhead@iglou.com / Not the Azeri director / Tape trades welcome
> See the Soap WWW page at: http://www.rahul.net/ndanger/soap/soap.html

What the fuck is all of this irrlevant 'Denny's' Nonesense? If I had to pick
the worst walk-in restaurant on the North American continent, Denny's
would be the hands-down winner! I'd rather eat buzzard puke! Stay off
this NG with that boring, irrelevant crap PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

George Graves


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Henry H Hansteen wrote:
> 
> Edward Johnson (edvamp@newshost.li.net) wrote:
> 
> : : The Constitution itself may be mocked by some USENET participants in or
> : : out of the United States of America. That is not an issue. The fact is,
> : : whether one wishes to accept it or not, ALL men and women are equal.
> 
> :       I'm not quite sure if your naivete amuses or disgusts me.  In
> : every country there are differences and privelages enjoyed by a few that
> : are ENFORCED BY LAW.  The rules are different for different people so
> : please don't talk to me about everyone being equal.
> 
> : : The concept is age old, and knows no national borders.
> 
> :       Actually the concept is only about 200 years old.  The concept of
> : sin and morality are age old, but still pointless and meaningless.
> 
> :                                                       Ever and Always
> :                                                       Edvamp
> 
> Please remove alt.smokers from the header.

You both have it wrong. The Declaration Of Independence states that
all men are created equal. Jefferson 'borrowed' the phrase from the 
Virginia Constitution which says: ....All men born free are equal under
the laws of this Dominion". It simply means that all men are equal
UNDER THE LAW. It might also help you to know that blacks were not
considered 'men' and neither were women nor colonists who owned
no land. Their definition and imterpretation of these words and the 
modern one are somewhat different.

George Graves


From gmgraves@aimnet.com Tue Nov 28 16:28:29 PST 1995
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David Lynch wrote:
> 
> KT (speedy5@ibm.net) wrote:
> : CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (carl skutsch) says:
> 
> : >2 - Things invented.  This one is so old and tired its barely worth
> : >refuting.  Basically, the oldest cultures in the world are Egyptian,
> : >Mesopitamian, Chinese and Indian, in about that order.  None of these
> : >are 'white' cultures by the usual wp racist definitions.
> 
> : These are not the oldest cultures.
> 
> Oh yeah. He forgot the Atlanteans, didn't he? Hey, if the Atlanteans were
> as hot as you say they were, how come they're the only culture that
> managed to drown itself?
> 
> : Anyway, they have now been outclassed by the European.
>                              ^^^^^^^^^^
> YM "outgunned". HTH.
> 
> --
> eraserhead@iglou.com / Not the Azeri director / Tape trades welcome
> See the Soap WWW page at: http://www.rahul.net/ndanger/soap/soap.html

Also if the Atlanteans were so technologically advanced, how come a 
primative army like the Athenians were able to kick their butts, and stop
their advancement in the Mediteranian with only bronze swords and spears?

 From Plato's dialog "Timaeus". 

George Graves


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evil Beavis wrote:
> 
> >   George Graves  writes:
> >  Yeah Frank, I'll contribute to this one.
> >
> >  eB's name is Stefan. he is (as I understand it) a Swedish National. For
> >  some reason he now resides in the American south someplace. I
> >  understand that he has a black girlfriend, and is, god only knows why,
> >  in love the idea of multiculturalism and race mixing. He Never has
> >  anything constructive or interesting to say, he just "jizzes" people
> >  with lame one-liners filled with liberal catch-phrases and aphorisms.
> >  His favorite seems to be to call all who disagree with him "hate
> >  mongers". He says that his attitudes are typical of modern
> >  Scandinavians, but several other of his countrymen tell me that he
> >  is as full of shit as a Christmas goose. They say that most Scandinavians
> >  are appalled at the idea of multiculturalism and misegination, and that
> >  only Swedes who are nuts think as he does. So what does that make Stefan?
> >
> >  George Graves
> >
> >>>>
> Thank you George for having me all figured out! Wouldn't be able to do it without your help...
> 
> eB
> 
> ps. that was a one-liner!

Yes, it was. I rest my case.

George Graves


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evil Beavis wrote:
> 
> >   George Graves  writes:
> >  Richard Marquez wrote:
> >  >
> >  > George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> >  > : lzaird wrote:
> >  > : > You've never seen a non-white with Blue or Green eyes?
> >  >
> >  > : Of course. They show up as abberations in many races. Like I have
> >  > : said before, there are exceptions to every rule. Grasping at the
> >  > : exception however is like grasping at straws, i.e. the last
> >  > : extremety of a drowning man (or philosophy)..
> >  >
> >  > Nope, George, they show up because of us "Race Mixers".  Those so-called
> >  > recessive traits pop up in the darndest places...
> >  >
> >  > (Remember, those traits don't vanish into thin air...they pop out
> >  > generations later...I've got the cousins to prove it)
> >  >
> >  >         - Grego (a product of "race mixing", and proud of it!)
> >
> >  So, Grego, you're saying that race mixing is NOT an abberation. To make
> >  that allegation is to infer that it happens on a wide scale. Much less than
> >  1 percent of the world's population marries cross-race. I'd say that that
> >  was an abberation.
> >
> >  George Graves
> >
> 
> Marry maybe, but having kids??! Come on... You're really not that isolated from reality are you?
> 
> eB

I think that you would find the figures fairly small. Certainly not 1% 
Remember, One person in three on this planet is Chinese - living in
China. Most of them have never even seen someone not of their race,
much less had children by them.

George Graves

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