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From Tue Jun 25 14:35:10 PDT 1996
Article: 45896 of alt.revisionism
From: (Mark Van Alstine)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The obvious question (was: The full story of the reconstruction)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:24:52 -0700
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In article <4q8gdp$>,
(Richard Schultz) wrote:

> Prince Myshkin ( wrote:
> : (Daniel Keren) wrote:
> :: Why does the gas chamber still have cyanide traces on its walls?
> : Same reason there are traces on the outside walls.  It was a large scale
> : delousing facility of the pre-Degesh design.  Things like mattresses
> : were leaned against the outside wall to complete the airing out.  
> If this is the case, then an obvious question suggests itself.  If 
> Auschwitz was equipped with such extensive delousing facilities and
> these were used to such a great extent, how is it that the people 
> running the camp were so spectacularly unsuccessful in preventing 
> typhus epidemics in the camp?

I'd still like to hear the Giwer-Troll's source for "it was a large scale
delousing facility of the pre-Degesh design.  Things like mattresses were
leaned against the outside wall to complete the airing out."

Mattreses? According to Otto Freidrich in _The Kingdom of Auschwitz_ the
prisoners in Auschwitz I "slept in three tiered wooden bunks, half a dozen
men to a bunk, often with no mattresses or blankets.... The prisoners'
only consolation was that Birkenau was even worse." 

And which delousing gas chambers, specifically, were mattresses deloused
in? Perhaps in Block 3? According to Andreje Rablin (prisoner no. 1410): 

"...In these rooms ther were wooden frames with hooks on which we hung
clothes... There were many lice in the clothes. Sometimes, filling the
chamber with clothes took as much as two days...." (_Technique_, p.25>)

Nope, not the delousing gas chambers in Block 3.

How about Block 26? According to Pressac:

"According to <> conserved at the PMO, volume 100 page 48, a
clothing delousing installation was installed in two rooms of the ground
floor of Block 26.... The disinfestation agen tis not known. The plans on
the inventory drawing suggest a complex installation using steam, the
situation dating from February 1942 and, it would appear definitive since
the installation was designed almost a year and a half earlier. It could
be that initially it functioned in a primative manner as gas chambers
using Zyklon-B, made gas tight by using strips of paper, and ventilated by
two air extraction fans." (Ibid. p. 24.)

Hmm. Not likely, as it was probably a _clothing_ delousing installlation
that used steam.

Block 1?  Probably not, as it seems to have been an ad hoc delousing gas
chamber dating from about mid-August 1942 (during the typhus epidemic),
for delousing personal effects. (Ibid. p.27.)

Or the delousing gas chambers in the reception building? Nope. They were
used for quick delousing of the clothing of prisoners being admitted and
registered into the camp. (Ibid. p.31.)

How about the two delousing gas chambers at Kanada I? According to Josef
Odi, who worked there in the spring of 1944:

"...There I disinfected the effects of people who had been killed. Furs
and valuable objects that could not be disinfested by steam were
disinfested using Zyklon-B, the same method that was used in the gas
chambers to kill men.... The disinfestation was organized as follws: all
the furs and valuable objects to be disinfested were hung up.... (Ibid.

Nope, the disinfestation of the clothes and valuables of the victims took
place there. 

How about the the disinfestation gas chambers of Bauwerken 5a and 5b?
Again, according to Pressac:

"...Simplifying the procedure somewhat, the prisoners entered, from left
to right on the first two drawings [...], through the windbreak entrance
into the <> room where they undressed [...] and their clothes were
taken through the <> anteroom and airlock to the gas chamber. After
the destruction of the lice using hydrocyanic acid, the effects were once
more available to the prisoners, rid of parasites but still just as
dirty...." [And still full of typhus-carrying lice feces, btw.] (Ibid.

Nope, sounds like 5a and 5b were used to delouse the prisoners' clothes. 

So what was that about mattresses propped up against the outside walls of
the delousing gas chambers? Sounds like more silly drivel from the

But wait! on page 54 of _Technique_ there's the testimony of Macha Ravine
(no. 35,334) regarding a delousing (the first?) of the Blocks in the
Woman's camp:

"On the appointed day, at 2 o'clock in the morning there was a general
turn out. First we had to carry our straw mattresses and blankets to the
disinfestation.... After soup (it was 5 o'clock in the afternoon) they
took us back, still naked to our Block. By now we were too tired to feel
our humiliation so keenly as we had in the morning. The Block, which had
been disinfested was not yet open and we had to wait outside.... Finally
the door was opened and we rushed inside and went to our bunks of bare
boards. The mattresses and blankets were still in the disinfestation
building.... A few days later the lice reappeared. The first delousing had
thus resulted in nothing other than hundreds of cases of pneumonia and
some tuberculosis and we watched our ranks diminish day by day. Still
another method of extermination. The camp merited its name: <> (Ibid. p.54.)

Ah, so mattresses _were_ taken to a disinfestation facility, according to
the _eyewitness testimony_ of Macha Ravine. Oh, my, such a conundrum this
must put the Giwer-Troll in!  After all, the Giwer-Troll says eyewtness
testimony is unreliable and cannot be used as evidence! 

But given that the Giwer-Troll is a hypocrite, I'm sure he'd insist that
Ravine's testimony is valid. That mattresses _were_ disinfested. But was
it done in a gas chamber? Was Zyklon B used to disinfest them? 

The disinfestation facility in the women's camp used _hot air_ to
disinfest. As did the one in the Gypsey camp. The disinfestation facility
in the Zentral Sauna [the "Sauna"] used hot air, steam, and Karbol, Lizol,
or water containing hydrocyanic acid. (Ibid. pp.58, 63, 65.) 

Oh well, it looks like the Giwer-Troll was simply spouting drivel after all.... 

Why am I not suprised?


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not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 

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