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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Re Schoedel states his case
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On 29 Sep 1996 19:01:02 GMT, Schoedel  wrote:

>jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) blubbers:
>>Schoedel  wrote:

>>So Mr. McVay is not entitled to voice his opinion, namely that you are not
>>especially sincere?  He's not entitled to collect together your own writings
>>and say what he likes about them?

>Nope.  

>>I could have sworn you once even expressly stated:

>ONCE.  As copyright owner, I happen to be allowed to change my mind as to whom I give
>permission to use my materials.  Consider NIZKOR's permission REVOKED. Permanently.
>Do I have the right to use Nizkor's pages (all of which bear a copyright label) to my
>own devices???  Why not? 

	Do not bother playing the game.  You have made your case.

	What you are missing here is that they would have stolen your material whether
or not you ever gave permission and would have continued to do so despite your
objections.  
	
	They are common criminals.  Realize what you are dealing with.  

	More than that your constant protests are a source of amusement if not sexual
arousal for them.  You are giving them satisfaction by doing so.  Your best bet
is to take up hacking and see if you can cease the harm being deliberately done
to you in that manner.  

	It will be much more productive in addition to being educational.  

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From mgiwer@worldnet.att.net Thu Oct  3 08:36:58 PDT 1996
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From: mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer)
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On Mon, 30 Sep 1996 19:51:08 -0300, Keith Morrison  wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:

>>         More than that your constant protests are a source of amusement if not sexual
>> arousal for them.  You are giving them satisfaction by doing so.  Your best bet
>> is to take up hacking and see if you can cease the harm being deliberately done
>> to you in that manner.

>Oh oh.  Matt went and did it again.

>Section 430 of the Criminal Code of Canada states:

>(1.1) Every one who commits mischief who willfully 

>(a) destroy or alters data; 

	In this case Nizkor has stipulated that it is the property of Schroedel 

>(b) renders data meaningless, useless or ineffective; 

>(c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use of data; or 

	Nizkor has stipulated that its use is unlawful.  

>(d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful
>use 
>    of data or denies access to data to an person who is entitled to
>access thereto. 

	And Nizkor has stipulated it is not entitled to access to the data.  

	As you can see this law is inapplicable.	

>(5) Everyone who commits mischief in relation to data 

>(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a
>term not 
>    exceeding ten years; or 

>(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction. 

>That would apply to anyone caught hacking Nizkor.  However, in
>Mattie-poo's case
>the applicable section is 22 of the Code, "Person Counselling Offense". 
>By telling
>someone they should commit an illegal act Matt has himself committed a
>crime 
>under Canadian law.  As the offense, if it occurred, is directed against
>a Canadian
>citizen and a computer residing in Canada, the law applies.

	If the hacker only deals with the material that Nizkor has stipulated is his and
under his control then, as you can see, there would be no crime.  

	And I suggest that some day you learn the difference between, I advise you, and,
you would be better advised.  There is a whole world of difference.  	



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