The Nizkor Project: Remembering the Holocaust (Shoah)

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From th1s1s@forgery2 Fri Nov  1 09:13:30 PST 1996
Article: 78075 of alt.revisionism
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From: th1sis@forgery.dot (This1s Aforgery)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 02:46:27 GMT
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olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:

>In article <54jaj6$rnl@lendl.cc.emory.edu>, william c anderson wrote:
>>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>>
>>: Yes I refuse to believe in the holocaust and
>>: continue to do so as long as there are "laws" in France and Germany
>>: that tries to supress freedom of speech and scientific research.
>>
>>You realize that's a little nuts, don't you Ole?  I mean, I agree
>>with you about the laws in  question, although I don't know what
>>they have to do with scientific research

>Are revisionists like e.g. professor Arthur Butz and professor Robert 
>Faurisson not scientists? 


	Butz is an engineer, not a scientist.  I have no idea what Faurisson is.
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http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there
htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE



From th1s1s@forgery2 Fri Nov  1 09:18:39 PST 1996
Article: 78081 of alt.revisionism
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From: th1sis@forgery.dot (This1s Aforgery)
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Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 02:46:12 GMT
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libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote:

:Kurt Stele (kurtstel@micron.net) wrote:

:: These Holocausters are utter cowards.  They reported against Giwer to his
ISP's
:: unremittingly and constantly lodged complaints against him.  Cowardice is the
hallmark of
:: Holocausters.  They suppress the evidence against the Lie over the airwaves.
They try to
:: harrass revisionists from the internet.  They pass laws in Europe imprisoning
people for
:: revisionism.   Their "Holocaust" tale is so shoddy and incredible they have
to use every
:: trick in the book to keep the lid on it.   It's pathetic.  

:If that's true, "Kurt"--if Matt really has been bounced for his repugnant
:opinions--then why haven't you been bounced, too?

	Because you folks have not mounted a whining campaign against him.  That is
rather obvious even to the casual observer.  Whining just like a JAP.  (But you
said it would be a Mercedes.)

	alt.revisionism must be whine country.  It is unmoderated, there are no rules
yet the holohuggers whine and whine and whine.  

	But then, the whiners are holohuggers.

	They have to have people quieted before they are turned into lampshades.  



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Read the information holohuggers fear
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there
htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE



From mgiwer@gate.net Fri Nov  1 09:19:59 PST 1996
Article: 78056 of alt.revisionism
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From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery)
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Subject: Bergen - p20ph5.jpg (1/1)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:11:15 GMT
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MC3`>IJG]Q M7VYU^G#+3Z>DW]U]C]FN:?CZ8KZ%=^O+E]%,VG5YM7E3B?M4X_13?$M3_O33 MG_SSZ_37))I%?22E?L#KU^FN"#3UF_XVKD?E]/\`2!_N:\OV.?+)"/\`>7:O MV>_3\<#Q\N0^W^'X8O=5]!OM4_RJ4P)#3A_NGI[X(3T^+?[S_9_RZX6CT_7- M/2^T?[OG7\<._P#CV3I3CWQ&[^P/L_1A5)]I>GT=,2AKR?C_`#_L4_XVPQFK M]6WI2H^U\O;$8Z?57I3MTZ?37$OAJ:^E]G]KE_#`G^53IB8]/TF_N/\`GGSI]&.TKAP/]W]K_*I@ MB2G!O]Y^O[5:9'-3X^H*>G_L*\?QQ#;F*\/QI]%,>*;U]/[7>O\`#!GP^W_# #9__9 ` end From mgiwer@gate.net Fri Nov 1 09:20:25 PST 1996 Article: 78069 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.new-york.net!news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-atl-21.sprintlink.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Contemporary attitudes towards the Holocaust Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:12:57 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 118 Message-ID: <55c80l$1pcc@news.gate.net> References: <3258957C.3767@ns.sympatico.ca> <54lfmb$3ln@gerry.cc.keele.ac.uk> <556flu$fb6@news.gate.net> <55773f$jgs@gwdu19.gwdg.de> <557ssm$ggv@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.german:89483 soc.culture.jewish:88040 alt.revisionism:78069 kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >In article <55773f$jgs@gwdu19.gwdg.de>, >mitchell@brzn.uni-goettingen.de (Wayne Mitchell) wrote: >[a foolish troll said] > "Publically expressed attitudes are controlled by law in Germany, > so what is the point in asking?" >>Why do people deem it necessary to spread stupid lies? Are you an >>expert in this field? >No, Mr. Giwer is not an expert - in any field, judging from his track >record. In the past, however, he has demonstrated a tendency >for both stupidity and lying. >Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, a troller whose only >interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially >plausible, he has lied** about what has been said in exchanges (while >accusing others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to >see posts which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when >they have been emailed to him), engaged in actual libel*, and generally >conducted himself with such complete lack of intellectual and factual >integrity that there seems to be no point in taking the time to read and >respond. For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to >http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/ >To eliminate Mr. Giwer's vulgarity from your daily newsreading, add the >lines > /gate\.net/h=j >to your universal KILL file. If you do not enjoy the luxury of such a >filter, simply delete Mr. Giwer's articles unread. >Mr. Giwer's handlers report that he has responded well to training, and >now reacts in the prescribed manner, changing his userid each time the >bell is sounded. >Followups to Giwer trolls should be redirected to Mr. Giwer's special >newsgroup, alt.bonehead.matt-giwer, where they will be appropriately >ignored. If your site does not carry alt.bonehead.matt-giwer, >redirect non-Holocaust articles to alt.politics.white-power, >an equally vapid dumping ground for Giwerundian babblings. >Crawler bait: mgiwer@gate.net Matthias Giwer >-- >Nizkor Canada | http://www.nizkor.org >kmcvay@nizkor.org |--------------------------------------------- >--------------------| An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource >Search Nizkor: http://www.nizkor.org/search.html What YOU are asked to believe

What YOU are asked to believe

      Few people realize they are being asked to believe that nearly twice the population of New York City was exterminated, that the bodies were disposed of so expertly that they can not be found after fifty years and that nearly half of those people were Jewish.

      Few people realize they are being asked to believe that, in the middle of war with every resource precious to victory, the Nazis diverted enough resources to deal with twice the population of New York City, to kill more people than they killed in combat and to do this while there was still a chance of losing the war and being found out.

      Few people realize they are being asked to believe that all of it is to be explained by the motivation of blind, unthinking anti-semitism, even the half that were not Jewish.

      Few people realize they are being asked to believe that almost everyone went willingly to the camps, that what was happening was commonly known in the camps without it motivating revolt or even protest, or alternatively that it was a dark secret within the camps even though millions were paraded through the camps for destruction.

      Before the Holocaust became a capitalized word and took on religious significance each part of it had a separate existance. Each part of it could be presented and investigated individually. These days the parts are inseparable from the whole.

      Not only are they inseparable >from the whole but any criticism of anything that happens in Israel or done by Israel, no matter how vile, is defended by the Holocaust and earns the allegation of anti-semitic for anyone who criticizes Israel. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From mgiwer@gate.net Fri Nov 1 09:21:38 PST 1996 Article: 78055 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.gil.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The "revisionist" retreat Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:13:06 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 49 Message-ID: <55c80u$1pcc@news.gate.net> References: <53s0p2$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> <546olg$sqe@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <54kkul$j5o@is05.micron.net> <556vfl$sph@access4.digex.net> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 mstein@access4.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: >In article <54kkul$j5o@is05.micron.net>, >Kurt Stele wrote: >>Actually, it does get boring asking for any physical evidence at all for >>extermination by gassing, over and over and continually being presented >>with only the goofy eyewitness stuff. > Actually, it does get boring Perhaps if you answered the mail you would not be so bored. presenting the physical evidence (such as >the letter from Bischoff to Kammler mentioning a GASSING CELLAR in Krema >II, VERgassnung does not translate gassing. And the letter indicates that whatever it is referring to was in another building. >the inventory control sheet showing showerheads in a room whose >construction plans show no shower plumbing, You keep presenting a letter but never the plans, that is, full drawings. >a gas-tight door with the >protective grille on the _inside_ of the door, When you presented that you were in the Keren camp that it was the door to the outside. Now we have a clearly different camp that the "gassing" was done in only one of the five rooms in that building. >letters from Becker and >Just to Rauff about gassing vans) and continually having dishonest deniers >like Kurt Stele claim that no physical evidence has been presented. As we know the army had hundreds of mobile delousing vans it is unclear what point you are trying to make with this. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From mgiwer@gate.net Fri Nov 1 09:41:39 PST 1996 Article: 78066 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,fl.general,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 08:11:55 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 82 Message-ID: <55cbf9$19cc@news.gate.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <55ak21$fkp@news1.panix.com> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:88022 alt.revisionism:78066 Fucking holohugger. fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote: > wrote: >>Could it be that the holohoaxers and their communist fellowtravellers just >>do not want the world to know the TRUTH about the group known for eons as >>the Christkillers? >Here we go; flamethrower on flambee... >>That the JEWS were responsible for the murder of Christ is well >>documented. >In one source--the Christian Bible. 1) It's a little one-sided; 2) >The largest Christian church, the Roman Catholic Church, which >encompasses 2/3rds of World Christianity, has renounced this position. And the jew books of it are a recittion fo genocide by the murderous Israelis who have not change to this day. >>That the JEWs were responsible for all the genocides, such as of the >>Ukraine, while they ran communism is well documented. >Um, the Minister for Nationalities under Lenin was Stalin; then Stalin >took power and kicked out the only powerful Jew in the Soviet Union, >Leon Trotsky, andthen had him killed. Stalin, a non-Jew, was >responsible for the genocides in Soviet Ukraine. So you agree at a minimum that Lenin's atrocities were jewish atrocities. We are down hill from this point. >>That the JEWISH STERN GANG irresponsibly murdered British and civilians in >>Palestine is well documented. The Stern Gang, while in Germany, even >>offered to ally themselves with Hitler, as documented!!! >Irresponsibly? While I am no fan of Lehi or Shamir, they were at war >with England. As for these links to Hitler, they remain to be truly >proven. There was no declared war. It was no different from the Palestineans. They were terrorists of the Arafat persuasion. >>The Zionists continue to murder, even killing UN troops at the Qana >>refugee camp. >Nobody at Qana would have had to have died if not for Hizbollah >lobbing shells at Northern Israel. Leave Israel alone,and they'll >leave you alone. That's what Zionism has been saying for 100 >years--all we want is to be left alone. It's the Greta Garbo of >political philosophies. The Hesbollah was lobbing shells into a PALESTTINIAN town. IT is that simple. They were shooting at their own people ... but then the Zionists had stolen the town by means that would put the Nazis to shame for the lack of legality. >>Why is it that the JEWS do not want the world to know, and to consider >>their deeds? >That we have super powers. >>People such as Giwer, Huber, and Ernst Zundel are to be complimented for >>providing the truth to those who will listen and read. >Giwer--urged me to contact hiim in "realspace," and then threatened to >sue me for harrassment; I still await a subpoena. Meanwhile, no ISP >will hold him for longer than a week 'cause he's such a flake. And you stereotypical lying jew as in YFE continues the same stereotypical lie as you do. You are scum. Get used to it. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From th1s1s@forgery2 Fri Nov 1 11:55:09 PST 1996 Article: 78128 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stock.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-hk.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: th1sis@forgery.dot (This1s Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: A Tale of six Gassings Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 02:47:08 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 60 Message-ID: <556flk$fb6@news.gate.net> References: <54sbkm$1o5o@news.gate.net> <32733c7f.29537308@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: th1s1s@forgery2 NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl3-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote: >In <54sbkm$1o5o@news.gate.net>, thisis@forgery.org (Matt Giwer) wrote: >>A Tale of six Gassings >> >>>link="#0000ff"> >> >>

>> >>A Tale of six Gassings >> >>
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      Another former inmate [of >>Belsen], Moshe Peer, recalled a miraculous escape from death as >>an eleven-year-old in the camp. >> >>

      In a 1993 interview with a >>Canadian newspaper, the French-born Peer claimed that he "was >The Montreal Gazette August 5, 1993. Story by Karen Seidman. The story >was in the back pages in the "West Island" (of Montreal) local news >section. >>sent to the [Belsen] camp gas chamber at least six times." The >>newspaper account went on to relate: "Each time he survived, >>watching with horror as many of the women and children gassed >>with him collapsed and died. To this day, Peer doesn't know how >>he was able to survive." >Old news, Matt. When Orest Slepokura first posted on this, I was >curious and called Karen Seidman about the article. Seidman said she >received a lot of calls from readers who knew better that there was no >gas chamber at Belsen. >So what have you got really, besides a crazy old man who suffered >horribly as a child? >And all you can think to do is mock him. But that's just the kind of >guy you are. Actually I am pointing out that he is no different from any other eyewitness of the holocaust, all fantasy. Consider that not one of them describes any physical fact regarding gassing. They are all the same as they type of people you describe. ===== Niz-kor made this happen Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE From mgiwer@gate.net Fri Nov 1 11:55:11 PST 1996 Article: 78122 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-atl-21.sprintlink.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Krema 2 and the gate - pg45p13a.jpg (1/1) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:10:24 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. 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Lines: 11 Message-ID: <55c7vo$1pcc@news.gate.net> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Uniformed SS whipping and beating people into the gas chambers. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From mgiwer@gate.net Fri Nov 1 11:55:14 PST 1996 Article: 78117 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-atl-21.sprintlink.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.bonehead.matt-giwer Subject: Re: Stock Raiders: Oy Vey, Vhat a Country! (ADV) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:13:00 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 249 Message-ID: <55c80r$1pcc@news.gate.net> References: <32711D57.68D2@ix.netcom.com> <01bbc3c8$0f392760$0d101fcb@garry.netcorp.aust.com> <54uu7r$glg@news1.panix.com> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:78117 alt.bonehead.matt-giwer:623 Kimberley Ahlf wrote: >[Response to reposting of "Matt Giwer" article] >>Kimberley Ahlf wrote: >>>On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Andrew Mathis wrote: >>>> Well said. >>>> >>>> Please be aware that Mr. Strom is a big "Mucky-Muck" in the National >>>> Alliance, America's pre-eminent neo-Nazi organization. >>>You're kidding?! You mean, little 'ol *me* kicked the fanny of a *real* >>>bigwhig Nazi a few months back when I debated Strom and a few of his >>>cronies on the use of the book _The Bell Curve_ in relating 'race' to >>>IQ? >>>You should have heard the virtual silence when one of _The Bell Curve_'s >>>resident authorities here on the net, a man the racists were counting on >>>to make their case, said outright in response to one of my posts thatthe >>>book in no way equates IQ with any genetic 'racial' characteristics. >>>Kenny 'A' just disappeared from the discussion after that. (Racists >>>seem to lose interest in debates awfully fast.) >> Either the person who said that was wrong or you misread it. >Neither. I'll explain why below, and I'll try to keep it as brief as >possible considering that it summarizes a debate which took days to reach >the conclusion in question. >> The >>authors specifically discuss estimates that race is a 30-40% contributor >>to IQ. >Their discussion does not constitute 'proof' of the existence of 'racial' >gene-based IQ predictors. Racists assert that the authors' use of >sociological studies to statistically 'factor-out' cultural IQ >determinants is proof that the only remaining influence which can be >'factored-in' is genetic IQ determinants. This is a false assertion. The >only way genetics can be 'factored-in' *scientifically* is through the >methods of genetic science, not social science. Consequently, _The Bell >Curve_ is social science, qualified to comment on social conditions (as it >does), but it is *not* genetic science and thus can draw no conclusions of >genetic conditions, such as 'race'-based IQ. >Cultural, economic, or environmental IQ determinants fall within the realm >of the book, but *not* genetics. The authors are free to offer opinions, >just as their racist interpreters do in abundance, but to characterize >those opinions as scientific "proof" is absolutely false. Try paying attention to what was stated. "thatthe >>>book in no way equates IQ with any genetic 'racial' characteristics." The book in fact does do that as I said. Nor, despite your revising of the book does nott discuss genetics. It discusses race, parents and cultural factors as 40/40/20% contributors. Race and lineage were identifiable long before genes were discovered. One needs know nothing about genes to recognize or discuss either. All but two chapters point out that inherent IQ can not be permanently overcome or changed by anything we know of at the moment. What you are doing is like saying a book can not discussing falling without discussing the General Theory of Relativity. The authors discuss race very completely and in fact assign race as a specific contributing factor as indicated by psychometrics. >> The >>authors devote considerable discussion to the differences between the >>races and how attempts have been made to make all else equal and the >>differences remain and are constant and are not due to any outside factor >>that can be determined. >"are not due to any outside factor that can be determined" - in terms of >genetic science, there is a *huge* jump in logic from this statement to >the declarative thesis that IQ is significantly determined by race (i.e. >IQ differences are therefore attributable to genetic differences specific >to a set of 'racial' genes.) It is this jump of logic that constitutes >the *fatal flaw* of the racist interpretation of The Bell Curve. The book needs no interpretation. It clearly states there is a racial contribution. Rather it appears you are attempting to "interprate race" out of their clear discussions and statements. >Why is it fatal? Because there is a whole lot of science that has to be >done before one can generalize social statistical data (the only kind of >data contained in _The Bell Curve_) into genetic conclusions. This >science *isn't* done, isn't even attempted, by the authors of _The Bell >Curve_. I am beginning to doubt you read it. The book is a survey of other studies. The authors discuss of IQ as a societal matter as a matter of policy and policy planning. In fact if the politicians would read the damned book we could come up with some sort of decent welfare policy. They make a small digression into race in only two chapters. It is hardly an issue save simply that it explains the racial composition of the recipients of social programs and shows it is about what it to be expected based upon IQ distribution. >A good example which illustrates this missing science is to compare The >Bell Curve's study to the study of breast cancer. Studies and statistical >analysis lead to the determination that breast cancer has some genetic >predetermination. Any study into racial, genetic predictors of IQ would >have to follow the same research patterns. >Here's the comparisson: >Today, Nobel-Prize calibre lab research is *close* to isolating the >specific set of genes responsible for increasing a woman's chance of >getting breast cancer. >No such research was even possible at the time of The Bell Curve's >publication so direct evidence of 'race'-based genetically determined IQ >is non-existent. That's why racists are trying to propose 'statistical' >science in identifying racial IQ predictors. Herrnstein and Murray only recounted all of the race/IQ studies including those attempting to eliminate factors that might cause it to appear race is a determining factor and found the racial differences to be the same with or without social factors. >In the cancer study, researchers first identified a large study group of >women with breast cancer and then traced their family histories, >identifying ancesstors with breast cancer. Once this data was gathered it >was statistically analyzed in combintion with historical studies of >behavioral and environmental factors such as diet, and subsequently >established a probable genetic link - the likely existence of a genetic >'predictor' of breast cancer. This is the proper application of >statistics in genetic research. >For _The Bell Curve_ to identify a similar probable genetic link between >'race' and IQ, the authors would have needed to cite studies which >researched the genetic histories of individuals with certain IQs and >identified ancesstors with similar IQs. This would have required >identical IQ tests being given to multiple generations within the study >group. These studies were not cited in _The Bell Curve_, because such >studies have never been done, and probably cannot be done. When one generalizes it to the point of race, the "genetic history" of the people is established to that level. What is needed for the conclusion is establshed by the limitations upon the conclusion, that it applies generically to race and not to individual. >Another technique cited by proponents of The Bell Curve is to "factor-out" >all other possible predictors of IQ, things such as economics, nutrition, >etc..., and whatever IQ-predictors left over can be automatically ascribed >to genetics or 'race.' There are many problems with this approach as it >is applied by the racists, but here are the highlights: >1) The only way to truly "factor-out" environmental predictors is through >the study of genetically identical twins raised appart. This is a common >and very practical technique which has been at the very foundation of >genetic research into humans. The problem with this technique in 'racial' >studies is that researchers would have to compare identical twins raised >appart but each being of a *different race.* Obviously, two people cannot >be genetically identical but genetically different at the same time, so >this type of study is impossible. Of there are other ways. The most simple one was done by studies of blacks as a population in the US and as a population in the less exposed to civilization parts of Africa. They score essentially the same as populations. Thus even in completely different social circumstances, there no difference. If culture made a difference then one would expect of different population average. >2) The figure of 30-40% of IQ being attributed to 'race' is often quoted >by Bell Curve proponenets. They state that this figure was arrived at >after 'factoring-out' the environmental causes, solving for the remainder >and ascribing the remainder to 'racially'-based IQ. But this figure is a >ratio which can only be described if at least two quantities of the >equation are known. That is, how can the proponents know that environment >is a 60% determinant if they don't already know that 'race' is a 40% >determinant? They don't - the ratio has three variables, Environmental >IQ, Race IQ, and Total of IQ Determinants (This 'Total' is the "Holy >Grail" of IQ research because it can only be known when *all* factors are >already known), with only *one* of the variables being known (Total IQ) >through the 'factoring-out' technique. Such an equation cannot be solved, >yet proponents of The Bell Curve claim that it has. You need to read the book and see how it is done. I would not be doing them justice. >Mathmatically it is expressed like this: x% - y% = 100% >If you can solve for 'x' from this equation, then you will have proven the >'factoring-out' ratio. You can't. You know that 'x' has a value, but >until you know the value of 'y' how can you assign 'x' a value too? You >can't. >The racist proponents of _The Bell Curve_ try, though. They assign 'x' a >value of '60' (How???) and then conclude that 'y' has a value of '40.' >Thus, "the authors specifically discuss estimates that race is a 30-40% >contributor to IQ." This is non-math and most decidedly non-science. >The above just touches on all the problems with the racist interpretation >of _The Bell Curve_ that were debated some months ago on alt.revisionism. >I should point out that the man who distinguished himself in the debate as >the most knowledgable proponent of _The Bell Curve_ was not himself an >ideological racist, and thus he was more than willing to concede the >scientific truth when it was revealed to him, whereas the >ideologically-driven racists simply ceased discussing their "scientific" >rationalization of racism based on _The Bell Curve_. >> I suggest you read the book some time. The jewish authors make >>the case for race as a contributor to IQ and include the jewish race in >>their discussion. (Even though, as we all know, there is no jewish race. >>Stupid jewish authors!) >Why is it that those who have 'read' and interpret the book as supporting >a scientific basis for racism are completely unable to use the book to >scientifically defend racism? Because it has nothing to do with racism. Stating IQ as a difference is no different from describing skin color. Those who think IQ is a "superior" factor are no different from those who think skin color is a superior factor. >The bottom line is this: People can be excused for opinions reached after >misinterpreting the data contained in _The Bell Curve_, but to >characterize the book as "proof" that IQ is even partially 'race-based' is >a complete misrepresentation of the data and the science. >-ODB >[Sorry for the length of this post. Did anybody out there actually read >the whole thing?!] As it was not stated the book was proof nor did I claim that it was, it is unclear what you intended by the length of it. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From notthisis4@forgery2 Fri Nov 1 17:06:44 PST 1996 Article: 78178 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.umbc.edu!news.ums.edu!haven.umd.edu!news5.digex.net!news2.digex.net!news1.rcsntx.swbell.net!news.PBI.net!super.zippo.com!zdc!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine? Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:21:58 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <559r6b$1m6a@news.gate.net> References: <556fj1$119o@news.gate.net> <558ov9$rho@news.enter.net> Reply-To: notthisis4@forgery2 NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-40.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> th1sis@forgery.dot (This1s Aforgery) writes: >> You folks can play and play all you wish but there will be a time when >all >> accounts will be balanced and it will be holohuggers on the debit side. > >> The actions of holohuggers can be documented and are in the >process of >> documentation. > Just the like fabled lawsuit from the criminal Giwer that never >materialized. A typical jew form of slander. You are making the worst of your jew position in this kind of post. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From mgiwer@gate.net Fri Nov 1 17:06:45 PST 1996 Article: 78172 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!rain.fr!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,fl.general,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:40:53 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <55c9l1$1pcc@news.gate.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:88244 alt.revisionism:78172 rakshasa@panix.com (Kevin Filan) wrote: > Matt Giwer has "declared war" on alt.revisionism and stated that >he seeks to make it unusable. Excuse me but please stop lying like a jew of the third kind. The purpose of alt.revisionism is to discuss revisionism. I have said that I will make it unuasble only to those who would PERVERT the conference into a discussion of the holocaust for which there is at least on other conference that I am aware of. My only interest is in stopping the holohuggers from taking over alt.revisionism where they have have been so obnoxiously present. Holohuggers have no legitimate interest in this conference and no legitimate presense. My objective is to make their pervsion of the conference unusable to them and get it back on track. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From notthisis@forgery2 Sat Nov 2 09:33:28 PST 1996 Article: 78267 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis@forgery.dot (NotThisis Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Extermination Historians get Babi Yar Bonus - Irish PO'd Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 06:30:15 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <556so0$1eki@news.gate.net> References: <554uq6$7v4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: notthisis@forgery2 NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl3-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 waspnot@aol.com (WASPnot) wrote: >Extermination Historians get Babi Yar Bonus - Irish PO d! >The media report (Washington Post) of 15,000 pages of secret Russian >KGB documents turned over to Walter Reich Director U.S. Holocaust >Museum should give academic careers to a whole new generation of >U.S. extermination historians & victim rehabilitation specialists. In fact these are the backup files for what was released to the public. It is unclear why anyone would think the Soviet Union ever released anything to the public that was truthful. >History revisionists have worried extermination scholars by claiming >4,000,000 Jews were NOT exterminated at Auschwitz. Now according >to media historians Babi Yar exterminations could replace Auschwitz >as the more historically sacred site where ... 33,000 Jews were killed >in two days in the ravine Babi Yar - a greater killing rate than that of >the gas chambers of Auschwitz at their murderous peak. Of course anyone who has looked at the aerial photos of Babi Yar at the time knows there is no sign of any such activity. The ground is completely undisturbed, no signs of activity. Of course some 20 years ago it was turned into a landfill. >Some extermination scholar will have to check out this claim because >newspapers reported Auschwitz capable of exterminating 20,000 to >30,000 Jews an hour at its peak capacity. >And, there are promises of four more car loads of these secret KGB >documents - probably enough to keep 600 extermination historians & >scholars busy debating Auschwitz versus Babi Yar fifty years more. It will be interesting to see what kind of myth they can fit the documents into. ===== Niz-kor made this happen Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE From notthisis4@forgery2 Sat Nov 2 09:33:29 PST 1996 Article: 78224 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!chi-news.cic.net!mr.net!news.sgi.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Denmark during WW2 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:38:35 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <559ol1$1m1u@news.gate.net> References: <557a13$uoi@news.gate.net> <32773867.58479948@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: notthisis4@forgery2 NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-40.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote: >In <557a13$uoi@news.gate.net>, Matt Giwer posting under the nym, >notthisis@forgery.dot (NotThisis Aforgery,) wrote: >[snip] >> The destruction of European Jewry was conceived and planned before Hitler was >>born and it was done by the Zionist movement within Judaism that founded Israel. >>The Zionist cooperated with the Nazis to destroy European Jewry. >> The founders of Israel cooperated with the Nazis in bringing it about. Zionists >>REFUSED to help European Jews but rather chose to spend their monies to purchase >>land in Palestine. >How could this be if there was no Holocaust? They created it of course. The people who planned the destruction of European Jewery did so before Hitler was born. They were the Zionists. You have no complaint against that destruction unless you have a complaint against the founders of Israel. >Make up your mind. If the "Zionist cooperated with the Nazis to >destroy European Jewry," there was a Nazi effort to destroy European >Jewry. If there was no Nazi effort to destroy European Jewry, then the >"Zionist" could not have "cooperated with the Nazis to destroy >European Jewry." >Pick one lie and stick to it. Which is your truth? Please be the first to speak up. >Or set up a bot that posts daily variations on the theme "I hate Jews, >and I will tell any contradictory lie now matter how stupid it makes >me look." I do not hate Jews in general, I simply dislike the lying Jews on this conference. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From notthisis4@forgery2 Sat Nov 2 09:33:30 PST 1996 Article: 78230 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!news.magmacom.com!news.cais.net!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Freudian Jew of the 3rd kind shit Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:54:17 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <559t30$1m2s@news.gate.net> Reply-To: notthisis4@forgery2 NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-40.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 We really do need to look at the the third kind Jews who continue to pretend that there is something of merit in Freudian phsychology. Consider the Freud NEVER cured anyone nor has any of his followers ever cured anyone. We must remember that Freud was, is now, and always has been a charlatan. There were ZERO, nada, zilch successes until drugs came along to make successes. That holohuggers hug Freud is their stupidity. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From notthisis@forgery2 Sat Nov 2 10:07:26 PST 1996 Article: 78203 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.apk.net!hyperion.nitco.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis@forgery.dot (NotThisis Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine? Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 23:04:35 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 64 Message-ID: <558n0l$qeo@news.gate.net> References: <54fvdl$jb6@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <326DABCF.4464A533@vertigo.combase.com> <199610231658.AA14832@world.std.com> <3270D751.7DD08F9C@vertigo.combase.com> <54sp0c$3d7@is05.micron.net> <54toe3$jnr@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <327331A3.6792331A@vertigo.combase.com> <9c3_9610290041@tor250.org> Reply-To: notthisis@forgery2 NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-56.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote: ><*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> ><+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [27 Oct 96 >04:55][*][0]*> > >> Matt really has been bounced for his repugnant opinions--then > >> why haven't you been bounced, too? Bill > H> Simple... If two people had been "bounced" the pattern would > H> become obvious. >Actually a foolish move. >You see, Matt is wanted here by the more intelligent (read >non-deniers) folks. >If you wanted to show the evils of alcoholism, would you show folks >the tall, distinguished-looking gentleman who gets quietly drunk >every night and falls asleep in his chair - or the disgustingly >repulsive skid-row bum, drooling, retching and being a totally >repellent worthless THING? >Hint: Among deniers, there is the superficially intelligent >individual and the Kurt Stele/Matt Giwer type - the skid-row >derelict type. >The real purpose of alt.revisionism is to peel back that superficial >layer and reveal the vomit underneath - so that folks will se what >it's really all about. The stereotypical jewish tactic of character assassination without knowledge, the repetition of a lie until it is accepted as true. It is all so very jewish. >The Steles, Hubers, Matt Giwers - they keep thinking that they're >winning. But they play the wrong game - and don't dare admit what >it's really all about. >Matt is perfect - just press the button and he responds with yet >another sample of the rot underneath every revisionist's skin. >We don't need to get rid of him and don't want to! >But - Matt is a very stupid and immature individual. He does >everything in his power to make himself as obnoxious as possible - >and then plays martyr when somebody loses patience with him and >swats him down. You appear to have me confused with the jews here. I do not play that game. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From notthisis@forgery2 Sat Nov 2 10:10:17 PST 1996 Article: 78263 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis@forgery.dot (NotThisis Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Can't Read English Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:04:36 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <5579a1$uoi@news.gate.net> References: <556fks$119o@news.gate.net> <556ied$ber@news.enter.net> Reply-To: notthisis@forgery2 NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl3-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> th1sis@forgery.dot (This1s Aforgery) writes: >> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> And of course the known jew liar YFE makes all of these claims. > The criminal Giwer. apparently has some trouble with his native >language. Except for a recounting of his malingnant activities there were no >accusations made. A friend of the criminal Giwer asked for possible explanations. > A list of possible explanations was given. >> YFE is both a Jew and a liar and that is a redundant statement. > The criminal Giwer claims, of course, that he is not an anti-Semite. >Strange how he fits in so well with most of the other "revisionists' around here. The repetition of the word "criminal" is a stereotypical jew tactic. It is not surprising that you would use it. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From notthisis4@forgery2 Sat Nov 2 10:10:58 PST 1996 Article: 78266 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!news.graphics.cornell.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:30:15 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 58 Message-ID: <559rlt$1m6a@news.gate.net> References: <558rqr$rho@news.enter.net> Reply-To: notthisis4@forgery2 NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-40.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes: >> In article <553bpr$63v@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote: >> > In this case YES. You are not talking about criminals, you are talking >> >about Danish citizens who have skin color of which you disapprove. >Locking >> >them up in unpleasant conditions so that they will leave their homeland is >torture. >> What kind of Talmudic quibbling is this. Torture is torture no matter the >> motive. > Apparently nazi boy, the concepts of basic human rights and due >process of law have no meaning to you. Why am I not surprised. >> > Since the "penalty" in this case occurs not because they violated a >> >law but because you disapprove of their ethnic heritage, locking them up is >> >torture. > >> Yes they will of course be free to leave whenever they want (except back to >> Denmark where they will no longer have the legal right to stay). So it is >> not really a penalty. The internment is only made in order to prevent them >> from illegally reentering Denmark and to motive them to leave voluntarily. >> And they were indeed violating the law because they stayed after the respite >> that they were given. > Apparently, nazi boy, the concepts of basic human rights and due >process of law have no meaning to you. Why am I not surprised. > >> If I after the expiry of my visa refuse to leave USA and I am because of >> that taken in custody by the US immigration authorities, is it torture? >> Even if I claim that the US legislators do not like the colour of my skin? > We are not talking about visas -- which are granted to visitors -- but to >the basic rights of Danish citizens. If the U.S. immigration authorities picked me >up and placed me prison, nazi boy, it would be illegal. If, as you suggest, the >consditions be made as unpleasant as possible so as to coerce me into giving up >my basic human rights, it most certainly would be torture. > Do you understand the difference now, nazi boy? A stereotypical jew response. How unamusing after so many thousands of them. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From mgiwer@gate.net Sat Nov 2 14:27:40 PST 1996 Article: 78284 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.gil.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Treblinka - pg86ph10.jpg (1/1) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:10:59 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 333 Message-ID: <55c7tb$1pcc@news.gate.net> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 begin 644 pg86ph10.jpg [331 lines of encoded binary deleted] end From th1s1s@forgery Sun Nov 3 08:11:08 PST 1996 Article: 78365 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: th1s1s@forgery.dot (Th1s1s Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 00:59:48 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5569cb$1d1k@news.gate.net> References: <325d7e83.4204398@news.inetport.com> <53da2h$d7q@juliana.sprynet.com> <325e6c0e.2929082@news.inetport.com> <53jh0r$934@is05.micron.net> <53ptgp$pc6@is05.micron.net> <541e28$hqp@is05.micron.net> <5425on$j5t@is05.micron.net> <32738DF8.E0C@kaiwan.com> <32780c9b.81265917@news.zilker.net> Reply-To: th1s1s@forgery NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl3-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) wrote: >Greg Raven wrote: >> >>This response ignores the fact that the Allies were intercepting Nazi >>communications from Auschwitz (and elsewhere), and so compiled their own >>reports that the Nazis could not have destroyed. These reports do not >>show massive numbers of Jews (or anyone else) being murdered at >>Auschwitz or elsewhere. >> >Is this one of your stop overs to sell books and other material? I >notice that you drop by here and make unsupported statements and then >when cornered you vanish. Thre months later you return after the >memory cells of your cohorts have burned out you start over. >Fascinating, Mr. Raven. He has a great price on Ball's Air Photo Evidence. You should get a copy. ===== Niz-kor made this happen Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE From mgiwer@gate.net Sun Nov 3 08:11:44 PST 1996 Article: 78348 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.gil.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Krema II - pg63p2b.jpg (0/1) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:12:06 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <55c7v2$1pcc@news.gate.net> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Note the highly secret Krema in the right background. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From mgiwer@gate.net Sun Nov 3 08:11:45 PST 1996 Article: 78349 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.gil.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:12:54 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <55c80h$1pcc@news.gate.net> References: <556pjb$dfu@news.enter.net> <559mii$1m1u@news.gate.net> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Kimberley Ahlf wrote: >On Thu, 31 Oct 1996, NotThisis Aforgery wrote: >> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> >> >> Kimberley Ahlf writes: >> >> >> > >It is perfectly understandable that as a racist Dane you would find the >> >> > >efforts of your countrymen in saving 7,000 Jews "embarrassing and >> >> > >nauseating." >> >> > To which the criminal Giwer responded: >> >> A stereotypical Jewish tactic. >I was not aware that the Jews had invented the tactic of highlighting the >direct quotes of racists when they make hilariously revealing blunders, >but if they did it is a tactic that I will happily use as a Chriatian. You have been hanging around in bad company. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From mgiwer@gate.net Sun Nov 3 08:12:10 PST 1996 Article: 78350 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Ducks from Mars Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:27:25 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <55c8rp$1pcc@news.gate.net> References: <558jaf$i9s@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <5593mn$1ft@news.enter.net> <559tir$1m2s@news.gate.net> <55ai9q$8ki@scoop.eco.twg.com> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall) wrote: >In article <559tir$1m2s@news.gate.net>, >NotThisis4 Aforgery wrote: >[...] >> You are a disgrace to your race, if is, if you are or not not atheist. >I just wanted to say that I got a great deal of pleasure from >reading this particular sentence. Thanks! You are not only welcome, holohugger, you are known by the minimacy of your response. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From mgiwer@gate.net Sun Nov 3 08:12:29 PST 1996 Article: 78351 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Ducks from Mars Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:33:22 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 55 Message-ID: <55c96u$1pcc@news.gate.net> References: <5593fk$rr@d31rz2.Stanford.EDU> <55abeb$b47@news.enter.net> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> rjg@d31rz2.Stanford.EDU (Richard J. Green) writes: >> In article <558jaf$i9s@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, >> DvdThomas wrote: >> >> >Charming little note in my mailbox today. Anybody know anything about >> >this guy? Would appreciate the info. >> >> [Marduk's obscene gesture snipped.] >> >> Marduk, >> >> Your antics go too far. If anything your posts are an aid to the >> deniars. If you didn't exist, they'd have to create you. >> >> Unfortunately, Marduk appears to be for real. >> >> Best bet: igore him, complain to his provider, or bounce his mail with >> procmail. > While I agree with your general sentiments, I do not think that DThomas >should ignore it. Just as when the criminal Giwer was pulling the same tricks it is at >least an invasion of his privacy and at worst a criminal act. What is more I >consider it totally unjustfied. No matter how repugnant his ideas are, DThomas >has never stooped to the level of the "Stele"s and the Giwers. A stereotypical JEW post. We never expect anything else from jews. They call names. They libel. They NEVER press charges. They are so self-annointed that they consider themselves, judge, jury and executioner and then, as in your jew case, you deliberately repeat the false libel. A jew declares a person a criminal. It repeats the allegation until others "its" repeat it. Then the allegation is accepted as true. Only a JEW would do a thing like that. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From mgiwer@gate.net Sun Nov 3 13:02:53 PST 1996 Article: 78380 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.gil.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Krema II - pg63p2b.jpg (1/1) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:12:07 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 714 Message-ID: <55c7vl$1pcc@news.gate.net> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 begin 644 pg63p2b.jpg [712 lines encoded binary deleted] end From mgiwer@gate.net Sun Nov 3 13:02:54 PST 1996 Article: 78379 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.gil.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Auschwitz - pg54ph1.jpg (1/1) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:12:29 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 759 Message-ID: <55c80d$1pcc@news.gate.net> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 begin 644 pg54ph1.jpg [757 lines of encoded binary deleted] end From mgiwer@gate.net Sun Nov 3 13:02:55 PST 1996 Article: 78378 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.gil.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars... Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:12:52 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <55c80f$1pcc@news.gate.net> References: <54jqv4$rj0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <54n0l0$s86@is05.micron.net> <551vb8$1t@is05.micron.net> <32799950.1555024@news.inetport.com> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) wrote: >kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote: >>schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >> >>Crap. Then why were inmates sent to camp hospitals? >Medical experiments? Elie Wiesel? Helen Keller? >> Why were inmates over 65 still kept >>alive? >Which camps and which 65 year olds? All of them. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From th1s1s@forgery Mon Nov 4 06:14:07 PST 1996 Article: 78415 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: th1s1s@forgery.dot (Th1s1s Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: More Strange Legal Theories From the Criminal Giwer Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 00:46:09 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 58 Message-ID: <5568iq$1qrs@news.gate.net> References: <553lo5$is4@news.gate.net> <5540qa$bos@news.enter.net> Reply-To: th1s1s@forgery NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl3-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> thisis@forgery.dot (Thisis Aforgery) writes: >> alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote: >> >Like the UL mark or the FDA mark. > >> >That judge won't even ask if it meets the standard. >> >> >He won't even entertain a defense of "it meets and exceeds their >> >standard, your honour." > >> However, as you note, this is a civil case of trademark infringement. It is >not >> a criminal matter. > No. It's a case of "fraud." That is a vioaltion of the criminal law. > >> Criminal law can only apply if the misuse could lead materially harm the >public, >> such as a false UL label for a substandard product but the danger would have to >> be demonstrated and "meets or exceeds" is a valid. This could apply on >products >> that pass the Canadian equivalent of UL are relabeled for sale in the US. > Another strange legal theory from the criminal Giwer. The damages that >stem from any fraud are that the buyer was induced to spend his/her money on >something that was not as represented. >> As there is no way for anyone to be harmed by eating non-kosher food, >the >> government does not have a dog in that fight. > If money was taken under flase pretenses, the person was harmed. >period. Only an idiot like the criminal Giwer could come up with an off-the-wall legal >theory like this. As YFE is willing to pervert his pretend knowledge of the law to support anything that supports jews or the holocaust. And as a jew he will continue to repeat his allegation of criminal activity as though it were true until all of his fellow jews and holohuggers begin to repeat it as true. It is a very stereotypical form of jewish behavior. ===== Niz-kor made this happen Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE From th1s1s@forgery2 Mon Nov 4 06:14:09 PST 1996 Article: 78418 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!news.megalink.net!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: th1sis@forgery.dot (This1s Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.fan.ernst-zundel Subject: Re: 961023: Fires in California Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 02:50:07 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 124 Message-ID: <556fr7$1kum@news.gate.net> References: <326eb326.655813@news.xs4all.nl> Reply-To: th1s1s@forgery2 NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl3-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:78418 alt.fan.ernst-zundel:3074 dannya@xs4all.nl (Danny A. Nijburg) wrote: :zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) wrote in :alt.revisionism: :>The Zundelgrams are posted to alt.revisionism daily, unedited. They do :>not represent the views of the poster, who is not the author. See :>X-Headers for relevant URLs. A good place to start is :>http://www.nizkor.org/features/ or, if you're in Europe, :>http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/features/ :> :>The ZGrams now carry an X-No-Archive header, so they will not appear in :>most Usenet search engines unless they are quoted in followups. ZGrams and :>other material of interest can be searched by keyword or concept via the :>form at http://search.nizkor.org/search.html :> :>------------ BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ------------ :> :>October 23, 1996 :> :>Good Morning from the Zundelsite: :> :[Poor Ernst snipped] :> :>Toward the end of the war, civilian terror bombing was Allied policy, and :>one of the cities that was laid to ashes was a city called Wuerzburg. You :>know about the Diary of Anne Frank; a young girl who died due to typhus. :>She did not die in flames. We, too, have our Annas. They died that way. :>These Annas were among 5,000 people who perished in a real, documented :>Holocaust in Wuerzburg on March 15-16, 1945. Where are their diaries? :> :> + Anna Maria Katharina Adler, geb. Steinel, Amalienstrasse 2 :> + Anna Baadsch, Ursulinerstrasse 13 ... :> + Anneliese Reiter, Steinheilstrasse 24 :> :>Why am I shipping you this list? Because in Germany it is against the law :>to question anything pertaining to the Jewish "Holocaust," including the :>Anne Frank Diary, which is a doctored. documented literary hoax, but it is :>not against the law to defame fallen German soldiers who died defending :>their own Annas. :These poor fallen German soldiers had laid waste to most of Europe in :pure naked aggression. You prefer clothed agression? And other than Russia, the conquests were so quick there was little damage compared to what the Allies caused in retaking it. As for the Soviets, it couldn't have happen to a nicer people. And it is quite interesting that you believe there were so many German soldiers named Anna. :Furthermore they organized a major program of genocide. It is the subject of this newsgroup to examine that not to presume it. The lack of physical evidence and all that sort of thing. What YOU are asked to believe

What YOU are asked to believe

      Few people realize they are being asked to believe that nearly twice the population of New York City was exterminated, that the bodies were disposed of so expertly that they can not be found after fifty years and that nearly half of those people were Jewish.

      Few people realize they are being asked to believe that, in the middle of war with every resource precious to victory, the Nazis diverted enough resources to deal with twice the population of New York City, to kill more people than they killed in combat and to do this while there was still a chance of losing the war and being found out.

      Few people realize they are being asked to believe that all of it is to be explained by the motivation of blind, unthinking anti-semitism, even the half that were not Jewish.

      Few people realize they are being asked to believe that almost everyone went willingly to the camps, that what was happening was commonly known in the camps without it motivating revolt or even protest, or alternatively that it was a dark secret within the camps even though millions were paraded through the camps for destruction.

      Before the Holocaust became a capitalized word and took on religious significance each part of it had a separate existance. Each part of it could be presented and investigated individually. These days the parts are inseparable from the whole.

      Not only are they inseparable >from the whole but any criticism of anything that happens in Israel or done by Israel, no matter how vile, is defended by the Holocaust and earns the allegation of anti-semitic for anyone who criticizes Israel. ===== Niz-kor made this happen Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE From mgiwer@gate.net Mon Nov 4 06:14:10 PST 1996 Article: 78422 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.gil.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Krema 2 - pg63p2a.jpg (0/1) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:09:57 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <55c7r0$1pcc@news.gate.net> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 The "secret" building with the high fence to keep things secret. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From mgiwer@gate.net Mon Nov 4 06:14:10 PST 1996 Article: 78423 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.gil.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Höss's enterprising subordinate Hauptsturmführer Fritsch Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:09:55 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <55c7qu$1pcc@news.gate.net> References: <54s4km$100k@news.gate.net> <55401q$1scg@news.gate.net> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <55401q$1scg@news.gate.net>, thisis@forgery wrote: >> schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >> >> >In article <54s4km$100k@news.gate.net>, thisis@forgery wrote: >> >> >> I do wish to thank you for a fourth contradictory discussion of >> >the "discovery" of the >> >> utility of Z-B. Would you like a credit line? >> > >> >Why, Mr. Giwer? >> > >> >Why should anyone give you the time of day anymore? >> > >> >You flushed your own credibility down the toilet months ago. >> > >> >You are a pathetic, impotent, little man. >> >> Then why all the attention? >> >Because everyone needs a hobby, Mr. Giwer. And mine is showing what a liar >you are. Some day you will be good enough in your hobby to start doing that. >By the way, I'm glad you've changed your "Reply To." Anything for a sweet young thing like you. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From mgiwer@gate.net Mon Nov 4 06:14:11 PST 1996 Article: 78424 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.gil.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Bergen - p20ph5.jpg (0/1) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:11:14 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <55c7td$1pcc@news.gate.net> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 The immense crematorium complex at Bergen. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From mgiwer@gate.net Mon Nov 4 06:14:12 PST 1996 Article: 78425 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.gil.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Babi Yar - back6a.jpg (0/1) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:11:39 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <55c7u6$1pcc@news.gate.net> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Only a week after 33,000 were exhumed and burned. Note that all sign of this mammoth operation have been completely removed in only seven days. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From mgiwer@gate.net Mon Nov 4 06:14:13 PST 1996 Article: 78426 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.gil.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Treblinka - pg86ph10.jpg (0/1) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:10:58 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <55c7st$1pcc@news.gate.net> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Immense Treblinka complex and the laundry. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From mgiwer@gate.net Mon Nov 4 06:14:14 PST 1996 Article: 78427 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.gil.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Krema 2 and the gate - pg45p13a.jpg (0/1) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:10:23 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <55c7rq$1pcc@news.gate.net> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 The gate that kept what happened inside a secret. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From mgiwer@gate.net Mon Nov 4 08:24:59 PST 1996 Article: 78448 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!nntp.coast.net!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.gil.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Babi Yar - back6a.jpg (1/1) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:11:40 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. 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Lines: 22 Message-ID: <559mii$1m1u@news.gate.net> References: <556pjb$dfu@news.enter.net> Reply-To: notthisis@forgery2 NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-40.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> Kimberley Ahlf writes: >> > >It is perfectly understandable that as a racist Dane you would find the >> > >efforts of your countrymen in saving 7,000 Jews "embarrassing and >> > >nauseating." > To which the criminal Giwer responded: A stereotypical Jewish tactic. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From th1s1s@forgery2 Tue Nov 5 06:58:24 PST 1996 Article: 78523 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.ptd.net!news.ptd.net!news.fast.net!netaxs.com!tezcat!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: th1sis@forgery.dot (This1s Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine? Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 02:46:43 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 65 Message-ID: <556fks$119o@news.gate.net> References: <54t3h0$sda@news.enter.net> Reply-To: th1s1s@forgery2 NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl3-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> Hardwire writes: >> >> The point remains however, that it's quite absurd to be kicked from 4 >> different ISP's for mailbombing wouldn't you agree? As for Email >> "forgeing", I really wouldn't consider changing your identity lines in any >> mailer "forgeing", in fact I've done it on a number of occasions where I >> felt that I did not want to receive follow ups to my posts from the >> vermin out there on the net. I have enough in my inbox as it is. > But that is not what the criminal Giwer did. He used the names and >e-mail addresses of real people and wrote so as to represent that the writings >were of those whose headers he had forged. > >> However, the mailbomb issue I'll stand in agreement with you on, as it >> pertains to discontinuance of service. But think about this for a >> moment... Would you keep mail-bombing people even AFTER you'd been >kicked >> from one ISP, no less FOUR? It just doesn't make sense, and I don't buy it. > I did not realize that he had been banned from four ISPS. I know of >only two netcon and worldnet, who banned him after complaints of mailbombs. > >> Even if Giwer mail-bombed ONCE, he would be smart enough not to do it >> again, and again, etc.. It smells more to me like someone who has the >> power, or the access, is trying to make his life miserable, and if they >> have that kind of power, who's to say that the person(s) in question >> didn't forge posts in his name as well? > There are a variety of possible explanations for the criminal Giwer's >behavior. Among them: > 1. He is irrational > 2. He is setting himself up as a martyr > 3. He did it in a drunken rage > 4. He beleives that the rules do not apply to him > 5. He is proud of the number of providers that have banned him > etc. > You also seem to forget that the criminal Giwer has a history of being >banned from BBSs for offensive activities. And of course the known jew liar YFE makes all of these claims. YFE is both a Jew and a liar and that is a redundant statement. ===== Niz-kor made this happen Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE From mgiwer@gate.net Tue Nov 5 06:58:25 PST 1996 Article: 78537 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!nntp.mbnet.mb.ca!news.escape.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:49:24 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <55ca4v$19cc@news.gate.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559fpu$fc8@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> Reply-To: mgiwer@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpafl2-55.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 If there was any quesion of automated complaints, this should end them. kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >In article <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com>, >rakshasa@panix.com (Kevin Filan) wrote: >> Matt Giwer has "declared war" on alt.revisionism and stated that >>he seeks to make it unusable. (For further documentation on this, check >>out http://www.nizkor.org). By posting literally hundreds of messages, he >>has single-handedly managed to drown out almost all rational discussion >What? He's still around? >botbait: mgiwer@gate.net Matthias Giwer >-- >Nizkor Canada | http://www.nizkor.org >kmcvay@nizkor.org |--------------------------------------------- >--------------------| An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource >Search Nizkor: http://www.nizkor.org/search.html ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From johndoe@yourhost.com Thu Nov 7 08:04:59 PST 1996 Article: 35097 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.gate.net!news From: johndoe@yourhost.com Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white Subject: Re: Why Jews Push the Holocaust to the Goyim Date: 7 Nov 1996 01:36:59 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <55refr$lsa@news.gate.net> References: <327f5055.1419441@nntp.netcruiser> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfbfl4-29.gate.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.10 (SPRY, Inc.) > >The Holocaust numbers are a huge fake. Extermination by gassing is a > >huge fake: > > > >http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html > >http://www.codoh.com/ > >http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ > >http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ > >http://www.air-photo.com/ > >http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html > > Oh yeah? > > http://www.nikzor.org There is now much discussion on the web and usenet about the so-called holocaust and evidence supporting how and why and by how much it was faked. This evidence has been suppressed in Canada and other countries because of the likes of Simon Wieselthal, the ADL, and other jew-controlled entities. These groups want to censor the Internet to prevent discussions contrary to their self-serving point of view. They are very quick to call holocaust revisionists "hate groups" in order to evoke an emotional response in their favor. Then they get lawmakers, most of whom are "law-yuz", to pass laws in the name of "decency" and other garbage. I urge everyone to do some research instead of believing what the you-know-who-controlled textbooks say. www.nationalist.org www.stormfront.org From *@*.* Wed Nov 13 06:27:39 PST 1996 Article: 79193 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: **************** G I W E R R U L E S *************************************************** Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:41:25 GMT Organization: * Lines: 24 Message-ID: <567hg2$ac4@news3.gte.net> References: <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <32798fa9.24153673@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <327d0df5.7417017@news.zippo.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm230084.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ccarp@concept.net (Chris Carpenter) wrote: >On Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:01:46 GMT, jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John >Morris) wrote: >John, the killfile tactic didn't work - Giwer got around it and won. >His forgery strategy didn't work - you won. And so it will continue, >tit 4 tat. Giwer took you all on, single handedly! Yes, I did. And these children had to resort to lying and harrassing my ISPs to silence me. They are all lying, jew cowards. Not one of them will knock at my front door. They are all afraid. They are all cowards. They are all shit pork bait. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:02 PST 1996 Article: 79562 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!super.zippo.com!zdc!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: More honey from the lips of Marduk. Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:48:11 GMT Organization: * Lines: 37 Message-ID: <56haq8$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <326F388C.370C171D@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hardwire wrote: >Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 23:30:04 -0400 >From: marduk >To: Hardwire >Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine? >Hardwire wrote: >>> > >"We have seen the enemy... and they are us." >>> > > >>> > >-- Hardwire >>> > >>> > >>> > BWAHAHAHAHHA fuck you, you fat-assed nazi pig >>> > >>> > >>> >>> Extremely eloquent. Thank you for your quick, yet well thought reply. >>> >>> -- Hardwire >>make sure you give mat and his nazi pig father a great big kiss >Thanks, love you, too. Hugs and kisses Marduk. >Gosh he makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. The rest of you must >be proud to have such a fine spokesman such as he! >Especially one cowardly enough not to post in public, but form his >attacks through E-mail. He is a member of the management of Internet Direct of Canada. What do you expect from such an organization? From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:03 PST 1996 Article: 79566 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: HOLO-HOAX DESTROYED FROM THE AIR!! Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:48:46 GMT Organization: * Lines: 27 Message-ID: <56harb$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <53eat3$bm1@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <3268d606.750769@news.sure.net> <54ftgg$7vu@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <54jmv9$mgk@news.csus.edu> <32793c40.285555@news.zippo.com> <55dada$57t@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <327c15dd.3051962@news.zippo.com> <327d0d98.7323589@news.zippo.com> <327f6abf.4734644@news.zippo.com> <3282040f.1097621@news.zippo.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ccarp@concept.net (Chris Carpenter) wrote: >On Tue, 05 Nov 1996 22:11:11 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van >Alstine) wrote: >>Ah, but Mr, Caerpenter, the issue is not about the photos themselves, but >>about the INTERPRETATION of those photos. The origional photos used by >>Ball are from the National Archives. Ball's dishonest "interpretation" of >>them resides soley in Ball's publications. >The issue is about doctored photos. Who, when, and why? >Is Ball's theory correct? I don't have an answer yet. >You dismiss it as being dishonest. Why? Because if you have any opinion other than instant accetance of an exterminationist point of view ... >>Big difference. >Not really. The photos can't stand on their own, they need >interpretation by professionals. >>That you try and ignore this self-evident fact, Mr. Carpenter, speaks ill >>of your intentions. >Blather. It proves you have evil intentions. From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:04 PST 1996 Article: 79569 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.fan.ernst-zundel Subject: Re: 961109: David Irving banned from Australia Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:54:40 GMT Organization: * Lines: 31 Message-ID: <328bcac4.49745023@news.gte.net> References: <562mna$n1n@Networking.Stanford.EDU> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:79569 alt.fan.ernst-zundel:3093 On 9 Nov 1996 11:40:26 -0800, rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote: >Ingrid Rimland wrote: > >>The following was published in The Advertiser, (11-9-96) headlined "Prime >>Minister's edict: These men unfit for Australia": >> >>". . . (c)ontroversial historian David Irving and Sinn Fein leader Gerry >>Adams were both told yesterday they were 'unfit' to visit Australia. >> >>In a surprisingly strong attack, the Prime Minister, Mr Howard, said Mr >>Irving was a 'crackpot criminal' and Mr Adams was 'a mouthpiece for >>terrorists.'. . . >> >>He also dismissed claims that yesterday's decision to deny the men visas >>compromised his bid for a new era of free speech. >> >>Mr Howard's comments angered sections of the Irish community, which pointed >>to Mr Adams's free access to the United States, and civil libertarians >>accused him of unwarranted censorship. > >Someone should tell The Advertiser that "Mr. Adam's free access to the >United States" is not. He has been denied visas before, and his activities >during his latest controversial visit were closely watched. Are you referring to Mr. Adams' visit to the White House to speak with President Clinton? Are you suggesting he was invited to the White House so he could be watched more closely? From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:05 PST 1996 Article: 79570 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Repost of Response To Stele Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:49:13 GMT Organization: * Lines: 34 Message-ID: <56has5$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <5526mf$3ih@is05.micron.net> <3df_9610291448@tor250.org> <977_9611010716@tor250.org> <5526mf$3ih@is05.micron.net> <3df_9610291448@tor250.org> <977_9611010716@tor250.org> <847311589.23380.0@vertigo.combase.com> <55uaj8$11hg$5@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote: >In message <847311589.23380.0@vertigo.combase.com> - Hardwire > writes: >:> >:>Alec Grynspan wrote: >:>> >:>> <*[*] [*] [Kimberley Ahlf] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> >:>> <+[Re: Repost of Response To Stele] [29 Oct 96 20:39][*][0]*> >:>> >:>> KA> I claimed Matt Giwer lost every debate he ever engaged in. I >:>> >:>> That includes every debate in Fido's DEBATE echo and Controv echo - >:>> other than one where I virtually led him by the hand. >:>> >:> >:>Get thee hence, TRAITOR. If you had ONE ounce of spine, you might just >:>qualify for a jellyfish role in life. >I'm far from an expert, Matt, but I believe jellyfish don't even have _one_ >ounce of spine. Is there _anything_ you know? Speaking of spine there have been two more self-identified jews who have started in with the harrassing phonecalls. Speak of spineless jews, hiding behind the telephone. There isn't one of them with the balls to come and face me. But then, that is what telephones are for, for cowardly jews, or is that jew cowards? Or is there a difference? From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:05 PST 1996 Article: 79572 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sgi.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: get this right, it is now international "policy" Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:35:41 GMT Organization: * Lines: 45 Message-ID: <328c26a1.72290747@news.gte.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Lets say that in the 2000 US elections a small band of evil white folks manages to capture the government. After that they cancel all elections and install their evil cohorts in all public offices. They institute a policy of extermination of all of LBJ's negras. After some years there is a war, the US loses and there are decades of reparations declared for the negras. Who would be responsible for paying those reparations? Who would be guilty of killing them? Everyone who was at the time or EVER AFTER a citizen of the United States. That would clearly mean, regardless of who they voted for, they and their descendants would be responsible and culpable for the acts of a political party that prohibited any means of voting them out of office. That would mean that all jewish Americans as well as american Jews would be responsible for the extermination of negras. That is as it is in in Germany today, that is as it would be in Germany tomorrow. More particularly, when the eventual downfall of Israel comes, everyone will be held responsible for the treatment of every Palestinian and Arab every harmed by any action of the Israeli government. The clever legal niceties that were used by the Nazis and are being used by the Zionist collaborators of the Nazis against Palestinians and Arabs will be ignored and a spade will be called a spade. The Nazis did very unpleasant things under color of law but so is israel doing very unpleasant things under color of law. When the final accounting of history comes, the color of law will be ignored and the acts remembered as the basis for condemning every citizen of Israel and their children and their grandchildren to the guilt of what they have done and are doing to Palestinians and Arabs. There will be no differences in the judgement of history between the Nazis and the Israelis. There will be no difference in the judgement of history between the Israelis and the Jews. From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:06 PST 1996 Article: 79574 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: HOLO-HOAX DESTROYED FROM THE AIR!! Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:48:52 GMT Organization: * Lines: 39 Message-ID: <56harh$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <53eat3$bm1@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <3268d606.750769@news.sure.net> <54ftgg$7vu@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <54jmv9$mgk@news.csus.edu> <32793c40.285555@news.zippo.com> <55dada$57t@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <327c15dd.3051962@news.zippo.com> <327d0d98.7323589@news.zippo.com> <327f6abf.4734644@news.zippo.com> <3282040f.1097621@news.zippo.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article <3282040f.1097621@news.zippo.com>, ccarp@concept.net (Chris >Carpenter) wrote: >> On Tue, 05 Nov 1996 22:11:11 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van >> Alstine) wrote: >> >Ah, but Mr, Caerpenter, the issue is not about the photos themselves, but >> >about the INTERPRETATION of those photos. The origional photos used by >> >Ball are from the National Archives. Ball's dishonest "interpretation" of >> >them resides soley in Ball's publications. >> >> The issue is about doctored photos. >Er, no. The issue is about unfounded accusations of conspiracy and forgery >made by a Holocaust denier who has published dishonest and deceptive >"interpretations" to "prove" his unfounded accusations of conspiracy and >forgery. >In other words, a typical denier strawman. Rather a more clear indication of the difference in interpretation is that the folks from the CIA (noting that the NSA does more of the most of the photo analysis work) may or may not have been qualified in the subject. It is considered bad form, i.e. a firing offence, to speak about what one does for the CIA. As a matter of fact it is only in the last ten or so years that people were generally free to say they worked for the CIA. And that includes the CIA confirming or denying that employment. So on one hand we have the "CIA" types claiming a thick wall around one of the Kremas and Ball pointing out a) it casts no shadow so it is not a fence and b) running several ground level pictures showing that there is no such fence. Ball also shows a photo of the main entrance to that Krema. So rather is we have a case of a holohugger clutching at his own strawman or perhaps even having looked at both publications and knowing that his position on Ball is false and deliberately so. From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:07 PST 1996 Article: 79584 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Is Kreiberg a Fake Dane? Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:10 GMT Organization: * Lines: 28 Message-ID: <56hatu$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <55p2p7$41d@news.enter.net> <55tb17$hl7@is05.micron.net> <55ugsa$2cu@lendl.cc.emory.edu> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote: >Kurt Stele (kurtstel@micron.net) wrote: >: You're a lying sack of Jewish shit, Yale. >Funny--that's just what Brian Smith said. >: How does it feel to be traitorous phony American, Jew Yale? >How does it feel to be a wretched, cowardly liar who idolizes a >tyrant thousands of Americans died to defeat? Do you understand >how weird it is for people who actually love this country to hear >a nazi calling somebody else a "traitorous phony American"? The only retched cowards I have come across are self identified Jews who hide behind the telephone to make harrassing, threatening phonecalls. So where are you finding your cowards? The only ones I have found lately are jews with telephones. They are a lying a deceitful bunch. But what good are they in the scheme of things? Nothing that I can see. From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:08 PST 1996 Article: 79586 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (Month Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:49:00 GMT Organization: * Lines: 50 Message-ID: <56haro$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <55k9jf$ivl@is05.micron.net> <55m366$a1s@news.enter.net> <55m9ck$aoc@is05.micron.net> <327f6d34.1824089@news.spry.com> <55tlu2$321@is05.micron.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote: >klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote: >>On Tue, 05 Nov 1996 02:48:52 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt >>Stele) wrote: >>>You are a liar, Yale. The Freeman brothers weren't NA. If anything they were Zionists. >>Oh sure. Everyday you see any number of Zionists running around >>with Swastika's tatooed on their necks. >>If Yale is lying, Kurt, it should prove very easy for you to >>prove it. Your failure to do so, indeed, your failure to back up >>any of your assertions, makes it evident who the liar is. >Call the NA. Talk to an NA member. E-mail them. You'll find out the above is a lie. >View any newspaper article about the Freeman brothers. There is no mention they were >National Alliance. They did not claim or admit they were NA. There was an extensive >investigation conducted into their backgrounds for evidence of a concerted effort. Had >they been NA the media would have seized in classic style to discredit and attack. This >did not occur. As a matter of interest Bo Gritz visited with them many times because of their claim that they were members of the militia. Gritz gave up and pronounced them to be common criminals involved in fraud. >"We don't believe in multinational states," said Israeli Labor Health Minister, Ephraim >Sneh. "It didn't work in Yugoslavia, and history is full of horrifying examples of what >happens in multinational states. Separation is the only way to build a reasonable >co-existence here." >(Canada's Maclean's magazine for June 10, 1996.) >Yet Jews and the Jewish media are in the forefront of multiracialism in White lands, a >movement which is destroying the White race. Evidently, Jews want Whites to suffer racial >destruction, but not themselves. A very typical Jewish hypocrisy, and a deliberate act of >anti-White hatred. May I suggest this is much too hasty a conclusion. Rather that they are against "christians" and "christian" nations, whatever they perceive them to be. They are an old people and are not into forgiveness as a policy. Their actions against nations other than Israel are simple examples of revenge. It is in their actions against the United States that their hatred knowing no bounds comes to the fore. The US is not now nor has it ever been a "Christian" nation by any definition. That they attack the culture of the US indicates stupid, blind, religion motivated hatred. From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:08 PST 1996 Article: 79587 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (Month Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:49:09 GMT Organization: * Lines: 49 Message-ID: <56has1$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <55tlu2$321@is05.micron.net> <55u71k$d7b@news.enter.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: >> klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote: > >> >If Yale is lying, Kurt, it should prove very easy for you to >> >prove it. Your failure to do so, indeed, your failure to back up >> >any of your assertions, makes it evident who the liar is. > >> Call the NA. Talk to an NA member. E-mail them. You'll find out the above is >a lie. >> View any newspaper article about the Freeman brothers. There is no mention >they were >> National Alliance. > The Allentown Morning Call had several articles which traced their >membership in the NA. It is interesting what the major newspapers will carry. It is also interesting that "are you now or have you ever been a member of the National Alliance?" is still a valid question. It is as absurd as "are you now or have you even been a member of The Stern Gang?" >> They did not claim or admit they were NA. > In fact, they did both. They filed verified pleadings with the Court of >Common Pleas of Lehigh County stating that they were members of the NA. >Moreover, they stated that they were involved with the NA in the videotaped >statement they made in Michigan after their arrest. After their arrest in Montana, they make a video tape in Michigan. Was this sort of a "community service" sentence? >> There was an extensive >> investigation conducted into their backgrounds for evidence of a concerted >effort. > There certainly was. The District Attorney of Lehigh County opposed >the motion filed by the brothers Freeman on the grounds that no only were they >members of the NA but he wanted to present his evidence that they were during >the trial to establish motives for the murders. Once again you demonstrate you are willing to lie about anything just to attempt to put the "jewish" position in a good light for the first time. From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:09 PST 1996 Article: 79588 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Markduk from idirect of canada Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:13 GMT Organization: * Lines: 22 Message-ID: <56havs$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <559rvk$1m6a@news.gate.net> <55ajqk$krt@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <846863131.14477.0@vertigo.combase.com> <55dbie$bdk@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 marduk@netcom.ca (Marduk) wrote: >In article <846863131.14477.0@vertigo.combase.com>, >hardwire@vertigo.combase.com says... >> >>Perhaps it should be noted that nowhere in this (witty?) post by Marduk >>does he once admit that the accusation made by Giwer is false. >> >>-- Hardwire >Oh...I thought it was self-evident, you twit. As if anyone would lend credence >to the Giwer-Swine's (tm) assertion that a foreign ISP is making death >threats... Actually you lying swine, you are part of Internet Direct of Canada as the company admitted and your harrassing phonecalls have been noted. But that is all jews are able to do, hide behind the telephone, as all you jews are cowards. From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:10 PST 1996 Article: 79590 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: view ourselves Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:47 GMT Organization: * Lines: 23 Message-ID: <56hav3$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Consider this newsgroup as part of a self help therapy for jews. Jews need to understand that they are members of a very primitive form of tribal organization. Jews need to understand that there were never any Hebrews in Egypt. Jews need to understand that they are members of a religion that started AFTER Christianity and have no relationship to anything in the Jewish bible as it was superceded by their current religion. Jews must understand that their connection with the Jewish bible is no different from the Christian or Muslim connection with it. Jews need to remember that only a very few have birth connection with Israel or the middle east and that the few that do have such connections have it only by tribalistic, i.e, racist, connections. Jews need to realize they are no better than anyone else and that there are really stupid jews out there and the really stupid ones still believe in their Torah and their Talmud and their traditions., From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:11 PST 1996 Article: 79591 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine? Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:37 GMT Organization: * Lines: 80 Message-ID: <56hauq$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <54fvdl$jb6@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <199610261628.JAA16922@zorro.bctel.ca> <553h1m$eq@access5.digex.net> <846860550.10329.3@vertigo.combase.com> <296_9611040008@tor250.org> <847309850.16749.8@vertigo.combase.com> <635_9611091214@tor250.org> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote: ><*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> ><+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [06 Nov 96 >09:52][*][0]*> > H> With his parents? Oh why don't you cut out the "crap"?! Are >Thank you for revealing yourself, foolish one. >1. Which Matthias Giwer was really turfed for being a revolting > alcoholic? The son, the father or the grandson? Alec, you know you are lying about this alcoholic thing. You know we talked on the phone (back when you were willing to identify yourself) and you know there was no indication of it. You know since you have been calling (I recognize the voice despite the silly attempts to disguise it) that there has never been a sign of it. And yet you continue, lie a jew, to lie about what you know to be untrue. You, Alec, are a very silly little (but very fat) Jew liar and a Jew murderer as you said. And you do not have the balls for anything but an imagined anonymous phonecall. You are a jew and a murderer and liar. But then, that is redundant in referring to you. > H> are you desperately trying to take heat off of yourself now that > H> you've decided to add "traitor" to your title as well as > H> "deadbeat" by harranging Giwer? I wouldn't have believed that >Deadbeat?!? I have a very nice job, with my own corporation and very >satisfied clients. GTE Canada as you once related was one of them. Would you care to give some names and numbers as references? Of course not. As such your claim is as hollow as when I tried to verify your claim to me. >2. Traitor? Now you reveal more. As a one time partner in public dealing with David Dahlman you now have become a traitor to our relationship by your incessant phonecalls and mailbombings. You are truly the lying jew murderer you told me you were on the phone. > H> it could be so, until I heard from this newsgroup that you were > H> once a friend of Giwer's on the newsgroups. Now you've turned >3. No - but thanks for revealing even more. > I was very specific from day 1 that I was never Matt's friend. You again lie but lying to a gentile is not a problem for a jew. But then, do not let me get ahead of myself. Who was it who set up a FREE three way call between the two of us and Charlen so that Charlen and I could talk at Christmas? Is that not the act of a friend? And if it is the act of something else to a Jew please so state. > H> tail and joined the opposition in a weak attempt to gain > H> acceptance by denouncing your former relationship with him. >4. A viewpoint like this can only come from a fool. My first message > in here in 2 years was not as a friend. None since were as a > friend. > Matt was equally specific back then as to the fact that I was not > his friend, changing that to lend himself credibility with his > nonsense stories - which I stated were nonsense. You certainly mislead me with the free LD call to Charlen. Or is that what Jews are best at? > H> You make me sick Grynspan, go back and crawl under the rock that > H> you came out from under. >The only rocks here are occupied by you. Oh, so very clever. From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:12 PST 1996 Article: 79594 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: ihr10 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:32 GMT Organization: * Lines: 129 Message-ID: <56haul$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ======== Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: At least part of the Degesh publication From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:06:14 GMT I wonder if the ten hour ventilation time has anything to do with the long promised Degesh pub not showing up before. Source: Zyklon for Pest Control, Degesch Publication History As long as 80 years ago it was recognized that hydrocyanic acid could be useful in pest control but it took half this time to popularize the method. Deficiencies and disadvantages had first of all to be eliminated from the method of application. First this had been done in such a way that hydrocyanic acid was no more developed on the spot by mixing cyanides and acid, but this process already took place in the factory: The so-called "pot method" was replaced by liquid hydrocyanic acid. The few deficiencies of this procedure were removed in the early twenties by the ZYKLON method: One added liquid HCN to a "carrier substance", thus simplifying handling whilst all favourable properties of liquid HCN were maintained. At the same time, danger to the operator was reduced to a minimum. Hydrocyanic acid in the form of ZYKLON can be safely stored for considerable periods and under all climatic conditions, any quantity of gas can be easily measured, quickly and cleanly released. Any residures are completely harmless. Composition In ZYKLON pure (98%-99%) liquid hydrocyanic acid is chemically stabilized and absorbed in a porous, inert material. It is supplied in snippets or discs prepared >from wood pulp. Snippets generally are preferred as in view of their larger surface they give off the gas more rapidly. Upon request also discs can be supplied. The aborbent material can easily be collected at the end of the fumigation. Packing ZYKLON is packed in handy, gas-tight tins of various sizes which are packed in strong wooden cases. One case, measuring 72 x 50 x 36 cm contains: Imperial - units 16 tins, each containing 40 ozs. HCN - total 40 lbs HCN or 30 tins, each containing 16 ozs. HCN - total 30 lbs HCN. Toxicity No thoroughly effective pesticide is known to exist which could be considered to be harmless to human beings or mammals. Fatal concentrations of HCN impede or completely cut off the oxygen supply to the cells. The poison can enter the body in three ways: through the mouth, the respiratory organs, or the pores of the skin. The latter will occur in particular if the body is exposed to high concentration for any length of time and in unfavourable conditions (great heat). Methods Prior to fumigation, the tins must be distributed about the building. The tins are opened, and the ZYKLON is scattered so as to reach even the remotest parts of the building. If this is done correctly the gas will develop evenly and instantaneously throughout the premises. Spaces difficult to reach may be charged separately. In multi-storied buildings one begins with the top floor, and then works towards the exit, taking care that nobody re-enters rooms already charged. Even under mask protection it is not advisable to expose oneself to the gas more than is absolutely necessary. The exit door is sealed after everybody has left the building; warning notices must be put up before gassing commences and a guard placed near the building to prevent unauthorised persons from entering. Time of exposure depends on the type of pests to be attacked; for the destruction of the various types of moths and their pre-adult stages 24 hours will suffice, against other kinds of insect pests one should fumigate for 48 hours. If there are any dense stowages or bulkss of commodities to penetrate, the time of exposure may need to be extended to 72 hours. Ventilation During this operation gas-masks must be worn. The ventilation takes place in the reverse direction to the gassing. All windows near the entrance are opened first, then gradually those in the rest of the building. It is advisable to work only for 10 to 15 minutes at a time and then to make interruptions of half an hour, as a precaution against skin poisoning. Depending on concentration, outdoor tempature and weather conditions, ventilation will take at least 10 hours. Clearing of tins and residues may be commenced before the end of airing. Windows and doors must remain open, and gas-masks kept available. ZYKLON tins and absorbent material must always be collected and cleared away before the resumption of work. Source: Zyklon for Pest Control, Degesch Publication From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:13 PST 1996 Article: 79595 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Big brother Mcvay is watching Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:55 GMT Organization: * Lines: 129 Message-ID: <56havc$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <553lk0$df0@news.sas.ab.ca> <328367b9.75580551@news.zilker.net> <9NOV199608551979@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote: >>intphase@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote: > An alias for Grosvenor who for some reason is hesitant to write under > his own name. >>>KEN MCVAY - A PROFILE >>> >>>Information provided by the Edmonton Journal (a supporter) > Possibly. Or possibly it is a heavily doctored interpretation of what > have been printed there. >>>He appears as an scruffy aging hippy. At 55 he still can't manage a >>>decent haircut. The pony tail is just plain ugly. > This is opinion. I bet the Journal didn't call the pony tail ugly: > that is Grosvenor editorializing. > So what? What connection can there be between McVay's looks and the > validity of the Holocaust. Silly shit, pot smoking hippies are supposed to be rational? >>>He served as a marine - they couldn't stand him. > He served as a marine. He was honorably discharged. Why does > Grosvenor insist they couldn't stand him? He doesn't say. Grosvenor > is no better at character assassination than he is at Holocaust denial. > If I ever write that Grosvenor is inconsistent, someone correct me > please. Excuse me. Where can I get a copy of his discharge papers? Or rather, where did you get a copy of them? And if you did not, how do you know there is any truth in what you are posting? >>>He served as a policeman - they couldn't stand him. > This is the first I have ever heard of this career. Just what, > exactly, did the Journal say about it? "They couldn't stand him" is > not credible due to its incorrect use in the sentence above. Excessive force is what I heard. >>>He left the United States - they couldn't stand him. > Nah. Gallup took a poll. I think it was something like 58-42 we > wanted him to stay. :> They must have taken the poll in Canada. >>>His computer consulting business failed. > He closed it. Did he leave any outstanding debts? You have no idea, > do you? Is a closed business that pays all its bills a failure? Did he? You pretend to know. Where is the record? > >>While unemployed he then > He worked in between closing the consultign business and his current > status. He now labels himself as "retired". He is at least as retired > as Giwer is, wouldn't you say? Ah, then I am no different from dumbshit? Or is there an intrinsic difference in retirements? But why do the holohugging dumbshits make no differnence between the dumbshit in chief and I? What a web the holohuggers weave when first they move to deceive. >>>discovered the wonders of fighting what he thinks is racism. He is >>>allegedly is employed by something called Nizkor (Hebrew for We > He isn't employed by Nizkor. He is the founder of Nizkor. He doesn't > (or at least didn't the last time I spoke with him) receive a salary > from Nizkor. Bullshit. He emailed me that he was living off of the donations. > Nizkor began by looking just at anti-semitism and Holocaust denial. It > is gradually expanding to deal with racism issues as well. It is easy > as many anti-semites are also racists. That is not what he told interviewers from eye which are still available on the web. >>>Remember). This group is largely funded by Jewish groups. So it seems > Is it? I haven't seen a funding list, have you? Please print it here > and "out" Nizkor. I would live to see who is finding it and how much > each is giving. > But you don't have such a list. You are simply making this up, aren't > you? Actually the first funding came from the CIA under the oneb.wimsey source as his earlier posts can be found by search engines. But then you will have to learn to use search engines to find him. >>>he "works" for a people that believe they are the chosen people -- and >>>then he has the gall to call many detractors racists. > 1. He doesn't "work" for Jews. He deliberately sucks off of them as he has to know that they are a source of money. He showed absolutely NO signs, zilch, zero, nada, of giving a damn about the subject until his CIA business dried up at the end of the Cold War. It is not like you can find one word, ANY ONE WORD on the subject until he needed the money. > 2. You misunderstand the concept of "chosen people", but of course that > doesn't matter as he doesn't work for Jews. The "self-annointed people." > 3. Many of his detractors ARE racists. You, for example. Please DEFINE racist in ABSOLUTE terms. ===== In other words you are defending the indefensible against a wealth of data that even he has provided. Crank up your favorite search engine and look for him and he only shows up on the engine after he started having the potential of making a profit from it. From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:13 PST 1996 Article: 79596 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: ihr9 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:28 GMT Organization: * Lines: 20 Message-ID: <56haug$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ======== Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Ooooo, those nasty SS From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:53:37 GMT " The SS forced [women] to wash the stairs leading from the seven entrances to the four-story house, with their tongues and lips. After those stairways were wased, the same people were forced to collect garbage in the courtyard with their lips. All garbage had to be transferred to one place in the courtyard. " IMT VII - p.491. From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:14 PST 1996 Article: 79598 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: holohuggers are they really are Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:59 GMT Organization: * Lines: 220 Message-ID: <56havg$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 What holohuggers are like

What holohuggers are like

      The follow are examples of holohugger support of their private holocaust.

Yale F. Edeiken

  • You are an amazing little animal, nazi boy. This might come as a schock to you but, by and large, Americans are quite happy with out country.
  • Still no answer. And not even true. By the way nazi boy, a Danish friend of has pointed out that Krieberg is not really a Danish name. If you nazi laws are put into effect, you might be one of those rounded up for a concentration camp.
  • The sales of collanders and tinfoil would go through the roof and claimants brandishing deeds to the Brooklyn Bridge would overwhem the courts.
  • Crap. The facts are that your nazi heroes lined up disarmed prisoners and machined-gunned them to death. When they had finished they went over the their victims and finished off the wounded. Only a few survived.
    They were machinegunned twice and only a few survived. Most amusing.

    Only a bigoted idiot like Moran could have taken it seriously.
  • Sure, Matty poo. That's why you're posting uder your real name.
    Please do your nazi routine about your own country.
Charles R.L. Power
  • It's understandable that being another brain-dead little Hitler-sucking Nazi-wannabe, you would sum up what I said as something I didn't say at all. Comprehension disorder seems to be a required qualification for getting into the denier club.
The management of Internet Direct of Canada
  • make sure you give mat and his nazi pig father a great big kiss
Daniel Keren
  • Hold it right there, nazi-boy. Maurice Samuels
    • "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, p. 155).
    William C. Anderson
    • Good, Mr. Kreiberg. The mask is off. Will you now stop denying that you're a nazi?
    • Oh, Kurt... this is really sad. I mean, I knew you were a Nazi, but I used to think you were a smart Nazi.
    • Yes, this is true. Just the other day, I bought a product without the kosher stamp on it, and Mossad agents broke down my door and took the "kosher tax" anyway.
    • You could merely be a fool, of course--Tom Moran has that excuse. You could be mentally ill, like Messers Grosvenor and Giwer. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt on the matters of your intelligence and mentally stability, however, and assuming that your misrepresentation of history stemmed from antisemitism. If you are indeed a fool or a lunatic, please accept my apologies.
    Samuel Gringauz
    • Most of the memoirs and reports are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."
      Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65.
    Annie Alpert, OFB (Order of Fat Broad, don't ask me, she is proud of it)
    • Oh, ha ha! Jew-big-noses jokes! What a card you are!
    Mark Van Alstine
    • He will, as soon as his balls drop....
    • Ah, Herr Wankermeister! Still haven't got your rabies shot yet, eh? Pity. Oh, don't forget to wipe the foam off your chin... it's so unseemly.
    • Obviously, Herr Wankermeister is sharing whatever swill of the week the gonadotoxic Giwer-swine is guzzling. The fallacy of this particular denier lie has already been exposed by Mr. McCarthy or the duplicitous sham it is:
    • Obviously, Herr Wankermeister is sharing whatever swill of the week the gonadotoxic Giwer-swine is guzzling.
    Gord McFee
    • If you really care about Mr. Giwer, and are not just trolling here, read the record and get the man help. He is not well.
    Michael P. Stein
    • Does anyone else notice that the above paragraph is written in post-hooch Giwerundean? (But only early post-hooch Giwerundean.)
    Chuck Ferree
    • Hey aryan, I'm enclosing my two dollars toward your bus fare to where ever the hell you wanna go, pal. Just so long as you leave the United States of America, it'll be fine with me. And take your two natsie friends with ya. O.K. ?
    • Stick in your ear...you might get a new set of brains
    • Not even in a sack, just a turd, laying on the ground.
    From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:15 PST 1996 Article: 79599 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Repost of Response To Stele Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:49:18 GMT Organization: * Lines: 14 Message-ID: <56hasa$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <5526mf$3ih@is05.micron.net> <3df_9610291448@tor250.org> <977_9611010716@tor250.org> <847311589.23380.0@vertigo.combase.com> <637_9611091214@tor250.org> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote: ><*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> ><+[Re: Repost of Response To Stele] [06 Nov 96 10:21][*][0]*> > H> Get thee hence, TRAITOR. If you had ONE ounce of spine, you > H> might just qualify for a jellyfish role in life. >Bingo! That includes your phonecalls, cowardly murdering ex-member of the Mossad. From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:15 PST 1996 Article: 79605 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Big brother Mcvay is watching Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:51 GMT Organization: * Lines: 32 Message-ID: <56hav7$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <553lk0$df0@news.sas.ab.ca> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Kimberley Ahlf wrote: >> His computer consulting business failed. While unemployed he then >> discovered the wonders of fighting what he thinks is racism. He is >> allegedly is employed by something called Nizkor (Hebrew for We >> Remember). This group is largely funded by Jewish groups. So it seems >> he "works" for a people that believe they are the chosen people -- and >> then he has the gall to call many detractors racists. >I wonder if this hard-hitting 'reporter' realizes that the Jews believe >themselves to be 'chosen' by God to deliver his message to the rest of >God's children, not chosen by God to be held in higher esteem. Probably >not. As we know there is no god this make jews "self-annointed." Or are you still so primitive you believe in a god? >> He has a Stanford University computer program that allows him to scour >> the newsgroups for nasty messages. So playing God and doing his big >> brother act (We are watching you) for 16 hours a day, he gets to play! >> The rest of us have to have real jobs to feed our families. >What I want to know is, how many students are enrolled in Ken's Stanford >University computer program? Is it a correspondence course? Give it up. He is also self-annointed. There is no absolute in being an obnoxious bastard. From *@*.* Fri Nov 15 06:32:16 PST 1996 Article: 79606 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: define Nazi Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:14 GMT Organization: * Lines: 10 Message-ID: <56hau2$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 As usual, the holohuggers use the word Nazi without ever defining it. And that is understandable as they can not define it. And if they tried to define it their aggregious use of the term to describe people would be found laughable. But then, holohuggers are laughable. They are mostly Jews who look for nazis under their bed every night. They are cowardly little creatures who can only hide behide anonymous phonecalls. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:56:59 PST 1996 Article: 79617 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!visi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Veterans Day Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:10:58 GMT Organization: * Lines: 20 Message-ID: <328c337a.75579546@news.gte.net> References: <328646E1.2CE4@rio.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:44:54 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article , >schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: > >> I'd like to take a brief moment here to thank all the veterans who've >> served in the US Military. >> >> A special hug to Chuck Ferree. >> >> Thank you all, >> Sara >> > >I'll second that! It is amazing where McVay finds them. Now you are hugging the Chuckle Fairy, queer. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:00 PST 1996 Article: 79619 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: iht6 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:17 GMT Organization: * Lines: 24 Message-ID: <56hau5$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ======== Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: What a clever way to kill people From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:48:00 GMT "PAUL WALDMANN: In this small room [at Sachsenhausen] there was a slot in the wall, approximately 50 centimeters in length. The prisoner of war stood with the back of his head against the slot and a sniper shot at him from behind the slot. In practice this arrangement did not prove satisfactory, since the sniper often missed the prisoner. After 8 days a new arrangement was made. The prisoner, as before, was placed against the wall; an iron plate was then slowly lowered onto his head. The prisoner was under the impression that he was being measured for height. The iron plate contained a ramrod which shot out suddenly and poleaxed the prisoner with a blow on the back of the head. He dropped dead. The iron plate was operated by a foot lever in a corner of the room. " IMT VII - p. 377. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:01 PST 1996 Article: 79620 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: ihr7 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:20 GMT Organization: * Lines: 27 Message-ID: <56hau8$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ======== Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: No fuel needed From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:49:31 GMT "MORGEN: These places were faked cloakrooms, and the person was given a check at each one so that the people believed that they would get their things back ... When the last one was in, the doors were shut and the gas was let into the room. As soon as death had set in, the ventilators were started. When the air could be breathed again, the doors were opened, and the Jewish workers removed the bodies. By means of a special procedure... they were burned in the open air without the use of fuel." IMT XX - p. 494. More Nazi physics at work. I am certain our favorite chemist can explain this one. On the other hand, why did they ever need any crematoria if they could do this? From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:02 PST 1996 Article: 79655 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine? Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:48:00 GMT Organization: * Lines: 20 Message-ID: <56haps$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <30OCT199623080468@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu> <55bcfg$hrp@news.enter.net> <55d84v$57t@lendl.cc.emory.edu> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote: >Yale F. Edeiken (yawen@enter.net) wrote: >: > dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) writes: >: > Of course, I can't say whether anything has changed of late as I have >: > quite successfully avoided reading most everything Giwer has written in >: > the last month or so. (Peace at last - I recommend it for all) >: >: It's rather pathetic, actually. he has been reduced to anti-Semitic >: babbling much of which is so incoherent as to be humorous. He hasn't even >: bothered to invent one of his outrageous lies in a week or so. >You're right. I had Giwer killfiled for several weeks before his most >recent incarnation, and the decline is noticible even in such a short >time. His output now consists almost entirely of "You are a Jew. Jews >are liars," when he manages to attain coherence at all. No. holohuggers are liars. That is all I have said. That is true From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:03 PST 1996 Article: 79657 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: ihr5 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:49:36 GMT Organization: * Lines: 20 Message-ID: <56hass$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ======== Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Those Polish spies again From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:46:23 GMT Anyone want to explain this one? " It was in 1942 [at Belsen] that the special electrical appliances were built in for mass extermination of people. Under the pretext that the people were being led to the bath-house, the doomed were undressed and then driven to the building where the floor was electrified in a special way; there they were killed. " IMT VII - p.576-577. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:04 PST 1996 Article: 79666 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Is Kreiberg a Fake Dane? Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:04 GMT Organization: * Lines: 19 Message-ID: <56havj$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <55p2p7$41d@news.enter.net> <55tb17$hl7@is05.micron.net> <55ugsa$2cu@lendl.cc.emory.edu> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote: >Kurt Stele (kurtstel@micron.net) wrote: >: You're a lying sack of Jewish shit, Yale. >Funny--that's just what Brian Smith said. >: How does it feel to be traitorous phony American, Jew Yale? >How does it feel to be a wretched, cowardly liar who idolizes a >tyrant thousands of Americans died to defeat? Do you understand >how weird it is for people who actually love this country to hear >a nazi calling somebody else a "traitorous phony American"? Why would you say that about Kaiser Wilhelm? From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:04 PST 1996 Article: 79667 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:00 GMT Organization: * Lines: 28 Message-ID: <56hatl$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote: >In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote: >> >>Really? In that spirit then, Should it not also be a human, as well as >>envoronmental, right to put a cork in Nazi blowhards who promulgate >>ideologies of oppression and violence, so as to keep their Nazi bullshit >>from polluting the earth? > Where are all these dangerous nazis? In the US all of the dangerous "nazis" are in media productions about nazis and those come out of Hollywood. And, as Marlon Brando was only the second most recent to point out, Hollywood is controlled by Jews. The most recent was Ari Shavit, an Israeli columnist. On one hand they are ridiculed as in "The Blues Brothers" and on the other hand they are viewed as the most dangerous people in the world. But any American who agrees with Ari Shavit realizes that Israelis and Jews are the most dangerous forces to the interests to the United States. They knowingly, willingly and publically work against the interests of the United States. They survive, according to Ari Shavit, only by their ability to control the US media. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:05 PST 1996 Article: 79668 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:49:57 GMT Organization: * Lines: 31 Message-ID: <56hath$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <4zeVoOev1e1T065yn@login.dknet.dk> <55mfb3$dsp@news.enter.net> <3284D899.28B1@conterra.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Bob Whitaker wrote: >Yale F. Edeiken wrote: >> >> > olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes: >> >> > This solution may not be practicable in regard to the USA. The USA should >> > be divided into several independent ethnic countries which gradually should >> > be made ethnic homogenous. (Through the exchange of the population) >> >> You are an amazing little animal, nazi boy. This might come as a schock >> to you but, by and large, Americans are quite happy with out country. >> >> Please do your nazi routine about your own country. >> >> --YFE > You do love to scream Nazi at everybody, don't you? > Did you ever read the story about The Boy Who Cried Wolf? It is his only recreation in life. He is so preoccupied with "nazi" that the closest things left to Nazis in this world are in Rwanda, Israel and the US. As a Jew of the Third Kind he sees himself as the savior of his people by indiscriminately denouncing anyone he dislikes as his worst nightmare. And of course the worst nightmare of a jew is anyone who treats jews in the manner that jews treat Palestinians in modern times and Canaanites in the history they revere and refuse to denounce. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:06 PST 1996 Article: 79669 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:48:26 GMT Organization: * Lines: 52 Message-ID: <56haqn$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <53f60c$r6i@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <53fsgr$n8q@juliana.sprynet.com> <32801e30.17527763@news.txdirect.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote: >On 9 Oct 1996 09:50:19 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: >>> gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: >> >> >>> >>> The fact that European Jewry was not exterminated has nothing to do with >>> whether the Nazis _tried_ to exterminate European Jewry. But you knew that. >> >>I have to disagree with that one completely. >> If it had been their intention to exterminate the Jews >>within their sphere of control, then there would not >>have been a survivor left. The very fact that only >>25% of France's Jewish population was ever deported >>disproves your thesis. >In an attempt to obfuscate, Mr. "Blackmore" drags a >Red Herring [TM] across the discussion by introducing France as an >example. While it is quite true that French Jews were not deported in >the same ratios as, say, German, Greek, or Lituanian (to name but >some). What he fails to mention is that of 11,402 French Jewish >children under the age of 16 that were deported, fewer than 300 >survived the war. Is that ratio more to Mr. "Blackmore's" liking? >How about the adults? Of some 75,500 adult Jews deported from France, >only 2,564 survived. So, fully 25% of the Jews in France were >deported, and almost exactly 25% of the Jews in France were murdered >by Mr. "Blackmore's" beloved Nazis. It tells us something about the >man, doesn't it? Those are not the numbers used in France. It is unclear where you are getting these numbers. Perhaps it is an example of the great research you do. In France they hold the only people shipped out were for work and were all capable of working. >Mr. Giwer's posts are beyond the pale of civilized discourse. >His answers to well-researched and documented notes When is something like that to be posted here? are either >a stream of vulgarities or a one-line response. For proof, visit: >URL http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt It is interesting what a collection of violations of my copyright can do when the intention is to be deliberately misleading. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:07 PST 1996 Article: 79670 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Markduk from idirect of canada Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:48:38 GMT Organization: * Lines: 21 Message-ID: <56har2$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <559rvk$1m6a@news.gate.net> <55ajqk$krt@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <846863131.14477.0@vertigo.combase.com> <55dbie$bdk@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 marduk@netcom.ca (Marduk) wrote: >In article <846863131.14477.0@vertigo.combase.com>, >hardwire@vertigo.combase.com says... >> >>Perhaps it should be noted that nowhere in this (witty?) post by Marduk >>does he once admit that the accusation made by Giwer is false. >> >>-- Hardwire >Oh...I thought it was self-evident, you twit. As if anyone would lend credence >to the Giwer-Swine's (tm) assertion that a foreign ISP is making death >threats... Marduk represents idirect, the jewish run ISP scum of the earth. Idirect has so admitted. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:07 PST 1996 Article: 79671 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Mr. Raven, please explain the contradiction Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:57 GMT Organization: * Lines: 30 Message-ID: <56hb19$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote: >Mr. Raven, I'm glad to see your recent spate of posts to Usenet, which >I interpret, I hope correctly, that you still believe Usenet to be a >forum appropriate for the discussion of the Holocaust and related >matters. So I look forward to your response to this post. >You were interviewed by the L.A. Times for a story which saw print on >October 28, two weeks ago. You were quoted as saying: > "We do not deny the existence of the Holocaust," he said. "That's > a lie put forth by our opposition. We do say the claims of the > Holocaust have been exaggerated. We believe there was no Nazi plan > to exterminate the Jews during World War II. We also believe there > were no Nazi gas chambers, and we also believe that 6 million > Jewish victims [of the Holocaust] is an irresponsible > exaggeration." >You say (1) "6 million ... is an irresponsible exaggeration," (2) "no >Nazi plan," and (3) "no Nazi gas chambers." You're being quite >consistent, since you explained your views in almost exactly the same >words on your first big entrance to the Internet, on Hitler's birthday, >1994. What about the other six million? There are twelve million (contradictory) stories in the naked holocaust. Yours is but one of them. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:08 PST 1996 Article: 79673 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars... Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:49:53 GMT Organization: * Lines: 19 Message-ID: <56hatd$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <19961110182300.NAA09562@ladder01.news.aol.com> <5661j3$gcm@news.enter.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> ceacaa@aol.com writes: > >> Yes but... Yes but... Like Voltaire, I am not going >> to play definitional games with a partisan. >> Sequestered has a clear priority of meanings: >> temporary possession is a high one. > Black's Law Dictionary is hardly partisan of anything. It has only one legal >meaning in international law: Sequestration: The seizure of the property of an >individual, and the appropriation of it to the use of the government. As an honest attorney would admit, international law does not apply to the internal law of any country. Other than that, thanks for answering like a jew. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:09 PST 1996 Article: 79674 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tezcat!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: More honey from the lips of Marduk. Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:48:18 GMT Organization: * Lines: 42 Message-ID: <56haqf$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <326F388C.370C171D@vertigo.combase.com> <54p3r9$aa3@access5.digex.net> <54pb76$o2q@Networking.Stanford.EDU> <32713322.7C8BC50B@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hardwire wrote: >Rich Graves wrote: >> Oh, it's not Matt. I think it's a friend of Matt's son who probably >> doesn't know what he's getting into. Or maybe he's like one of those >> "Viper Militia" idiots, but whether he really understands *anything*, I >> doubt it. He's a slasher and RPG fan, not a Nazi. >Yes sir, I am an RPG fan, a player to be precise. But I'm uncertain >what you imply by "slasher"?? >> >> http://vertigo.combase.com/thewall.html >> >> It's reportedly an intermittent 28.8K link, like the old Nizkor, but it's >> up pretty often. He's an employee of Combase or Upgrade, not a client. >[Buzzer Sounds] Sorry, you don't win the prize. I am not now, nor have >I EVER been an employee of Combase Communications. Call them and ask >for yourself. I believe the owner's name is Jim (not sure of the last >name, but you should only have to do a whois for all pertinent >information). I am a paying client of Combase. >> Vertigo is his personal Linux box. The only other account on the machine, >> as far as I can tell, is Matthias Giwer . >> There is no mgiwer account. >Haha, you couldn't hack with a manual!! [ROLLING ON THE FLOOR] I have >TOO many accounts on my system. If matthias@vertigo.combase.com is the >only one you can find, then you're a bit poorer at the sleuthing >business than you think. Perhaps another profession would be more >appropriate for you.. hmm let's seee... no not a writer.. you've failed >at that already.. perhaps a farm-hand? With the amount of bullshit you >shovel per day on this group, it seems you'd have some success at the >job. He already is a farmhand. He helps the pigs over the fences. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:10 PST 1996 Article: 79675 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Verbosity was never a strong point with Marduk I guess. Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:48:03 GMT Organization: * Lines: 32 Message-ID: <56haq0$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <326E87D3.76C11CD6@vertigo.combase.com> <54mp8b$asu@news.enter.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> Hardwire writes: >> >BWAHAHAHAHHA fuck you, you fat-assed nazi pig > > >> This kind reply was not POSTED to the newsgroups at all, but sent as >> personal E-mail directly to me. I felt that it was appropriate to show >> you all to exactly what depths people sink, and exactly what type of >> mentality thrives on groups such as this.. sort of like the ramora on >> the shark wouldn't you say? > Let us not forget that paradigm of civility that you mailed to me and my >family Matty poo: > "I am tired of your shit. Fuck off." > Maybe somone was just speaking to you in a language you can >understand. Finally the lying bastard shyster admits what he claimed was obscene. It is not as though this worthless piece of shit YFE is honest nor that he has integrity, he is a lawyer. We need only talk best price for someone like this. What and "obscene" message this lying bastard was sent. And this clown pretends it was to his family? What a fucking, lying kike!!! But what do you expect? All these kikes are liars. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:10 PST 1996 Article: 79676 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Doin' the National Appliance Polka: Brian Smith Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:48:22 GMT Organization: * Lines: 26 Message-ID: <56haqj$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <846101891$22870@atype.com> <846117382$24861@atype.com> <846180184$199@atype.com> <846203588$2628@atype.com> <846205434$2982@atype.com> <846211684$3615@atype.com> <846216185$3966@atype.com> <54plll$fa9@is05.micron.net> <32718d4a.5233509@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote: >In <54plll$fa9@is05.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) >wrote: >>rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote: >>>> Did a revisionist web-search! CHECK OUT these sites!: >>>Iąve seen each and every one of these sites. None of them contain any >>>evidence whatsoever which casts doubt on, much less disproves, the FACT of >>>the Holocaust. >>Well, I've seen these sites and EACH one of them goes FAR beyond >>casting doubt, and actually DISPROVE the LIE of the Holocaust! >A guy dumb enough to belong to a neo-Nazi organization like the >National Alliance believes in a crackpot theory that whitewashes the >patron saint of his religion, Adolf Hitler. >Go figure. Obviously the National Alliance has more truth on its side than the idiot, lying holohuggers. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:12 PST 1996 Article: 79677 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tezcat!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: More honey from the lips of Marduk. Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:48:15 GMT Organization: * Lines: 14 Message-ID: <56haqb$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <326F388C.370C171D@vertigo.combase.com> <54og1v$oac@lendl.cc.emory.edu> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote: >Hardwire (hardwire@vertigo.combase.com) wrote: >: Thanks, love you, too. Hugs and kisses Marduk. >: >: Gosh he makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. The rest of you must >: be proud to have such a fine spokesman such as he! >For whom is Marduk supposed to be a spokesman, please? Idirect, Internet Direct of Canada of course. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:13 PST 1996 Article: 79679 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: **************** G I W E R R U L E S *************************************************** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:54:37 GMT Organization: * Lines: 26 Message-ID: <328bc6e5.48753791@news.gte.net> References: <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <32798fa9.24153673@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <327d0df5.7417017@news.zippo.com> <567hg2$ac4@news3.gte.net> <32880095.109696658@news.txdirect.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 12 Nov 1996 06:35:41 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote: >On Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:41:25 GMT, *@*.* (* *) wrote: > >>ccarp@concept.net (Chris Carpenter) wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:01:46 GMT, jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John >>>Morris) wrote: > >[Text deleted] > >> Yes, I did. And these children had to resort to lying and harrassing my ISPs to >>silence me. They are all lying, jew cowards. Not one of them will knock at my >>front door. They are all afraid. They are all cowards. They are all shit pork >>bait. > >All of this from the man who is too cowardly to sign his name but not >too vulgar to engage in petty insults... Then you agree they are lying, jew cowards. Thank you. A statement of fact changes nothing. If you do not like the way the truth is stated, try it another way. They are heroic jews out to silence me in the best of jewish tradition, in hiding and beyond reach. Take the jew Marduk for example. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:14 PST 1996 Article: 79680 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: ZOG Brief #1-Introduction Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:48:31 GMT Organization: * Lines: 20 Message-ID: <56haqr$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <55ar2a$22b@d31rz2.Stanford.EDU> <55kc1r$ivl@is05.micron.net> <55l0rj$esu@scoop.eco.twg.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall) wrote: >In article <55kc1r$ivl@is05.micron.net>, >Kurt Stele wrote: >>Kimberley Ahlf wrote: >> >>>>Who is in charge of producing Kosher foil? Can we sneak it into the >>>>goyim foil stockpile? >> >>>I was, but I got caught. Foiled again! >> >>You probably find kosher tin foil sensical. >It's already been explained several times why aluminum foil gets >kosher-certified. The kosher laws don't apply just to food, but >to anything that comes into contact with food. Then water needs to certified kosher, as do people or at least people's hands. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:15 PST 1996 Article: 79681 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: England to Enforce the Holocaust Lie Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:46:57 GMT Organization: * Lines: 19 Message-ID: <56hant$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <846255933snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> <54t2g0$sda@news.enter.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes: > >> Another hoax. Racially motivated crime with a capital C hardly exists. >> Anti-Semitic "attacks" consist primarily of a) children defacing Jewish >> cemeteries and b) people sending cartoons through the post. > That might be true in the U.K. It is is certainly not true in the United >States. You, as a devoted reader of the ADL reports, must know that not only >are acts of violence common but they are increasing. The ADL has enough crimes to its name without being taken seriously on this one. True, the crimes occur but they are most likely in absolute numbers to be blacks against blacks and jews against jews. Relative to the population, they are an enormous fraction of the "hate" crimes and to give the US a bad name. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:16 PST 1996 Article: 79682 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Remember Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:45:57 GMT Organization: * Lines: 6 Message-ID: <56ham0$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Nazis always laugh like Ming the Merciless. They are very strange, mythic even. That there are people who can not see this means they are braindead holohugges. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:17 PST 1996 Article: 79683 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine? Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:47:47 GMT Organization: * Lines: 31 Message-ID: <56hapg$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <54t3h0$sda@news.enter.net> <3271E242.475DBFB5@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hardwire wrote: >Yale F. Edeiken wrote: >> But that is not what the criminal Giwer did. He used the names and >> e-mail addresses of real people and wrote so as to represent that the writings >> were of those whose headers he had forged. >> >I don't really recall seeing a post he had written with someone's real >replyto address written in. As I remember currently, the posts were >made with "one-character-off", and slurred-type addresses. But if you >could direct me to archived posts that contain instances of forged email >addresses please do so. >> I did not realize that he had been banned from four ISPS. I know of >> only two netcon and worldnet, who banned him after complaints of mailbombs. >> >I still present to the jury at large the fact that mail-bombing >repeatedly is a very irrational act that even the most lunatic of >posters would not perpetrate more than once if it meant cancellation of >service. You have to remember that these are known lying holohuggers and they lied about this. The fact that they support their favorite holocaust makes them knowing liars. I do not see that this is so hard to understand. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:19 PST 1996 Article: 79684 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine? Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:47:51 GMT Organization: * Lines: 15 Message-ID: <56hapj$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <54fvdl$jb6@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <326DABCF.4464A533@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote: >Kimberley Ahlf writes: >>Matt Giwer is no martyr. Matt Giwer was not censored, he was censured. >It should be added that Giwer actually bragged about the number of >BBSs back in the pre-Net days from which he'd been ejected even by >the most tolerant of sysops. It was only a matter of time before >he'd manage the same trick on the Net. Of course, he is free to find >another ISP among the teeming zillions out there and start over. Totally untrue but you are a known liar. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:20 PST 1996 Article: 79685 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: ihr1 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:49:22 GMT Organization: * Lines: 25 Message-ID: <56hase$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ======== Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: One man's opinion From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:13:10 GMT "The Nuremberg Trials ... had been popular throughout the world and particularly in the United States. Equally popular was the sentence already announced by the high tribunal: death. But what kind of trial was this? ...The Constitution was not a collection of loosely given political promises subject to broad interpretation. It was not a list of pleasing platitudes to be set lightly aside when expediency required it. It was the foundation of the American system of law and justice and [Robert Taft] was repelled by the picture of his country discarding those Constitutional pre cepts in order to punish a vanquished enemy." -- U.S. President, John F. Kennedy John Kennedy, Profiles in Courage (New York: Harper and Row, 1964), p.189-190. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:21 PST 1996 Article: 79686 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,fl.general,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:48:42 GMT Organization: * Lines: 26 Message-ID: <56har6$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559u0o$1m2s@news.gate.net> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:91591 alt.revisionism:79686 schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk>, redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk >(Fergus McClelland) wrote: >> schwartz@infinet.com (Sara the Prefect) wrote: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >added/edited by Mr. McClelland, trying to make it look as if I have this on >my header. > >This shows that Mr. McClelland, for all his "outrage," is guilt of the very >same thing as Mr. Giwer. Forgery. Plain and simple. >> >> Miss Prefect wrote all the stuff below my comments - showing how she >> had been trying to get Mr Giwer censored, and banned from his new ISP. >> My comment. >The handle is "Perrrfect," and your statement is absolutely incorrect. What >I did was to report a forgery to an ISP. A completely reasonable act by a >concerned Netizen. Rather a silly little bitch promoting a jew agenda. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:22 PST 1996 Article: 79689 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.fan.ernst-zundel Subject: Re: 961109: David Irving banned from Australia Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:54:43 GMT Organization: * Lines: 45 Message-ID: <328bcc66.50162563@news.gte.net> References: Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:79689 alt.fan.ernst-zundel:3095 On Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:06:24 +0000, Dene Bebbington wrote: >"E. Zundel Repost" wrote: >>------------ BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ------------ >> >>November 9, 1996 >> >>Good Morning from the Zundelsite: >> >>The government of Australia announced to the world a few hours ago that >>special interest groups have succeeded in halting David Irving's book tour >>- this after its Prime Minister had made a ringing speech about "Freedom of >>Speech" on his continent and the "Hanson Speech" caused a wave of >>overwhelming approbation showing clearly that Australia belonged to the >>will of the people and not to the Shrill Minority. >> >>The following was published in The Advertiser, (11-9-96) headlined "Prime >>Minister's edict: These men unfit for Australia": >> >>". . . (c)ontroversial historian David Irving and Sinn Fein leader Gerry >>Adams were both told yesterday they were 'unfit' to visit Australia. >> >>In a surprisingly strong attack, the Prime Minister, Mr Howard, said Mr >>Irving was a 'crackpot criminal' and Mr Adams was 'a mouthpiece for >>terrorists.'. . . > >Only strong insofar as it is the truth, certainly regarding Gerry Adams. > >> >>He also dismissed claims that yesterday's decision to deny the men visas >>compromised his bid for a new era of free speech. > >Are we to infer that Zundel and his cohorts feel that the right of a >foreign citizen to go to another country and say whatever he/she wants, >is paramount, and that a country has no moral (or otherwise) right to >decide who enters its borders? And what does this have to do with the Zionist minority determining who enters the country? Considering that Irving's "crimes" consist of the exercise of free speech, it would appear that Australia also considers such speech to be a crime, confirming the law under which he was convicted. That does not speak well of Australia. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:22 PST 1996 Article: 79690 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Origins of the 6,000,000 figure. Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:54:45 GMT Organization: * Lines: 28 Message-ID: <328bcdd5.50530395@news.gte.net> References: <562vup$3i9$1@gruvel.une.edu.au> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 9 Nov 1996 22:18:01 GMT, ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) wrote: > >The matter of 6,000,000 Jewish victims of the Holocaust >has been questioned by several posters to this newsgroup. >Of course the number has always been indicative rather >than being offered as a census. 12,000,000 total, do not forget, of which 10,000,000 were executed by Einsatzgruppen. Those are the numbers you have to deal with. >A number of those seeking to cast doubt upon this figure >have insinuated or even suggested that the figure is a >fabrication by Jews and/or "anti-German/Aryan/white" >organisations. More commonly, anti-nazi communists. >"Dimension des Voelkermords >Die Zahl der juedischen Opfer des Nazionalsozialismus" > >Edited by Wolfgang Benz. > >DTV Wissenschaft 4690 >Mai 1996 >ISBN 3-423-04690-2 The author is not very in touch with the subject. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:23 PST 1996 Article: 79702 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Cannot Even Read a Calender Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:46:43 GMT Organization: * Lines: 75 Message-ID: <56hank$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <553mss$is4@news.gate.net> <553vtf$bos@news.enter.net> <556fme$fb6@news.gate.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >I asked this question here: >Explain why schools are NOT closed on Passover, Yom Kippur, or Hannukah. >Matt Giwer responded with: >> >> thisis@forgery.dot (Thisis Aforgery) writes: >> >> Passover is always on a Saturday. How many schools are open on >> >>Saturday? >To which Yale Edeiken responded: >> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> > One thing that can be counted on is that the criminal Giwer is a >fount of >> >misinformation. Passover begins on whatever day of the week, it falls >upon. If the >> >criminal Giwer could read a calender he would have noted that in 1996 >(Jewish >> >5756) Passover began on April 3, a Wednesday. Thnaks for making a fool of >> >yourself again, Matty poo. >Mr. Giwer responded with this delightful statement: >In article <556fme$fb6@news.gate.net>, th1s1s@forgery2 wrote: >> Another silly shit jew with a malicious post. That is all jews >appear to be >> good for on this conference, false and malicious posts. >He then continued to blather on about the Hebrew calendar and how, because >it is 3,000 years older than the Christian calendar, it is a "Christian >wannabe." What he did NOT address is the fact that as a lunar calendar, >Jewish dates do NOT correspond with the modern calendar. > >As loony as that might sound, it STILL does not address the central point. The silly shit jew calender still puts the flood AFTER the pyramid builing days of the Egyptians and as such is piece of shit nonsense Get this straight once and for all, religion is bullshit. It is all lies. Christianity, Judaism, and Muslimsim, all are LIES. Anybody stupid enough to believe in any of them is no better than a holohugger whish is the itellectual scum of the earth. Holohuggers hug everything Jewish. It never happened. Get over it. >Mr. Giwer stated that Passover is ALWAYS on a Saturday. That is absolutely >untrue. >When confronted with the truth, he called it "malicious," and called the >person who pointed it out a "silly shit jew." > >Mr. Giwer's blatant immaturity is astonishing. Rather than thank the person >who pointed out his inaccuracy, he calls him names and attacks an entire >group of people. > >If anyone ever doubted Mr. Giwer's insincerity, here's the living, >breathing proof of it. > >Sara >-- >"I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy." > Samuel Butler From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:24 PST 1996 Article: 79703 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine? Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:46:52 GMT Organization: * Lines: 33 Message-ID: <56hano$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <54fvdl$jb6@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <326F2F06.7BF020D5@vertigo.combase.com> <54p9os$2202$3@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <54qrc2$jjg@d31rz2.Stanford.EDU> <32714105.6FB2AEC6@vertigo.combase.com> <199610252346.QAA28613@zorro.bctel.ca> <199610261628.JAA16922@zorro.bctel.ca> <556fl0$119o@news.gate.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <556fl0$119o@news.gate.net>, th1s1s@forgery2 wrote: >> schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >> >> >In article , >> >Hardwire wrote: >> >> >> >> Since when is changing your identity information in a Post to a Newsgroup >> >> breaking a Law? >> >> >> >That's NOT what happened, "Hardwire" and you are being extremely >> >disengenuous to state it this way. >> > >> >Mr. Giwer FORGED accounts: Dan Keren, Ken McVay, Yale Eideken, and many >> >others. Not "changed his name," FORGED theirs. >> > >> >If he did it on a check, he'd be in jail. >> >> Amazing that the instant such a different ID was posted, everyone >claimed to >> know who it was and also claimed that it was forged. That sort of >indicates it >> was not a forgery at all as it was so obvious. Beyond that, you are lying. >Then why don't YOU tell us why worldnet kicked your sorry ass out? >Why did Netcom kick your sorry ass out? I am interested taht NETCOM violated their policiy and told you what was going one. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:25 PST 1996 Article: 79704 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine? Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:47:55 GMT Organization: * Lines: 64 Message-ID: <56hapo$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <846860550.10329.3@vertigo.combase.com> <55e1b4$84e@news.enter.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> Hardwire writes: >> Is it not also libelous to call Matthias Giwer a criminal without fair >> trial? > No. Truth is always a defense. It is true that the criminal Giwer is a >criminal. >> As such it should be noted that at the time of the post Matthias Giwer >> was under considerable duress and influenced by anger at the fact that >> his parents where receiving the unwanted attention of someone out there >> who had intent to harass Mr. Giwer. If it were my family being harassed >> in that manner it would indeed be hard for me to contain my rage even to >> the point of threatening the only person that I presumed could have done >> such a thing. > There was no harassment of the crimal Giwer's family. There was one >phone call asking for information. On the other hand, the criminal Giwer was >indeed guilty of harassing those with whom he disagreed. That has been >documented in the past. I note as well that, for a reason you have yet to explain, >you think that the criminal Giwer had a right to be "enraged" yet you do not give >that same right to those who were the victims of his forgeries. >> As for removing all mention of Mr. Giwer from the pages at Nizkor, I can >> sympathize with it simply because I can place myself in the same >> situation and the emotional response it would incur from myself wouldn't >> be as calm and reserved as Mr. Giwer's appears to be in the post >> mentioned in your reference. > Yet you do not sympathize with those who were victimized by the >criminal Giwer. > >> As for extortion? Hardly, for in order for extortion to take place, the >> side attempting the extortion must have some power over the other. > You have been listening to the weird legal theories that the criminal >Giwer likes to propagate. Extortion is complete when there is a demand for some >action coupled with a threat of illegal action. Both were present in this case. >This is confirmed by the criminal Giwer's 5 meg mailbomb sent to Nizkor in an >obvious attempt to disrupt their service. >> In >> this case it is clear that the two parties are located so far from one >> another that no physical action could take place without some EXTREME >> effort. This merely shows as a threat, made in a moment of emotional >> duress, and should be treated as such. > Since it was followed by an actual attempt to illegally disrupt the >service of Nizkor anybody who dismisses it is an idiot. Again, "physical" action is >not required to establish extortion. Read the law instead of listening to the >maunderings of the criminal Giwer. Deliberately malicous statements by a lying asshole who claims to be an attorney. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:25 PST 1996 Article: 79705 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine? Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:47:40 GMT Organization: * Lines: 43 Message-ID: <56hap8$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <54fvdl$jb6@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <326DABCF.4464A533@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <326DABCF.4464A533@vertigo.combase.com>, Hardwire > wrote: >> Marduk wrote: >> > >> > Was he booted off ATT??? >> > >> > Inquiring minds want to know. >> >> Yes, he was. Thanks to you and those like you. >> >> It must be nice to be able to post whatever you like, and deny those >> others with differing opinions by forcing them off of their providers >> through repeated complaints to their ISP. >> >Oh, I see. In other words, you're saying that you SUPPORT Mr. Giwer's RIGHT >to FORGE?! > >No one has EVER denied Mr. Giwer's right to post whatever drivel he wants >to. In fact, he was a great source of amusement here. > >However, Mr. Giwer violated the rules of his ISP blatantly and often. That is a clear lie which MS Israels has agreed and she has told you that. There was no rule against it and it was clear that it was, AS SHE SAID. the harrassment and the mail bombing of Cybergate that caused the problem. Specifically she has agreed to testify against you for interference with a contractual relationship. >This is a world in which freedom must come with responsibility. I believe >that learning and accepting the consequences of your behavior is something >that should be understood by age 5. > >Break a law, receive the consequence. > >What is so difficult to understand about that? None whatsoever but Cybergate is joining with ATT and NETCOM to come down on you folks real hard. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:26 PST 1996 Article: 79706 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars... Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:49:45 GMT Organization: * Lines: 78 Message-ID: <56hat6$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <55maqo$ej4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <19961105151700.KAA10698@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote: >mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >> A cheaper method of mass murder? As to the direct cost between Zykon B and >> diesel exhaust I can only point out that the per capita cost to kill with >> Zyklon B was around 0.02 RM. (cf. Gutman, _Anatomy_, p.215; Roques, >> _Confessions_, p.94.) Perhaps, Mr. Allen, you could inform us as to the >> per capita cost of killing with deisel exhaust? >Oh please. Deniers have been saying for years that diesel exhaust was an >inefficient way to kill people and that the Nazis would surely have found >a better way. Well, they did find a better way -- it was called Auschwitz >-- and now Mr. Allen is telling us that Auschwitz was inferior. I wish >they would make up their minds. But that was back when it was believed that holohuggers were honest people in search of the truth. It was later discovered that they were in fact interested only in supporting every version any holohugger promoted even when mutually conflicting. It was assumed that when it was pointed out the lethality ratio was on the order of 10000 to 1 that they would simply drop the CO stories. Rather it was discovered that they continued supporting, promoting (and POSTING HERE) the 1:2 and 1:3 lethality ratios that are absurdly false simply because some supposed witness said it. It was before it was realized that holohuggers were so fearful of the consequences of the introduction of any rational inquiry into the matter that it was thought they would realize CO was such a poor method of killing and would at least discard that method once it was pointed out ot them. As we see here, our rabid holohugging computer programmer attempts to prove by CO was almost equally deadly by pointing out that under certain conditions diesel engine exhaust can look like steam (to those who have never seen steam before, that it.) It was at a time when it was assumed (falsely) that there was some form of intellectual honesty among holohuggers. Since then it has been discovered they are no more than cowardly jews making obscene and threatening phonecalls without hair one between their legs. >The whole argument is specious from the get-go. The Holocaust was >irrational. No one denies that. But only holohuggers claim that the impossible happened in their confusion of the irrational with the impossible. The mechanisms with which mass slaughter >was carried out were not perfect. No one denies that. Treblinka was the >Model A of mass murder, Auschwitz the Model T. Actually, Treblinka was a Yugo and Auschwitz was a Rolls-Royce. Auschwitz accomplished at absolute worst twice the exterminations but for at least 1000 (one thousand) times the capital cost. At Auschwitz there are five huge crematoria and special gassing rooms. At Treblinka there are five small buildings and a hole in the ground and a special method of burning bodies without fuel. Thank heaven that the war >was ended after just a few years, so that we never had to see what >machines of slaughter might have been produced later. Perhaps "exterimination" camps costing millions of times more than Treblinka but only "exterminating" half as many. If it had continued for 50 years the facilities would have cost so much they could not have afforded the gas and no one would be killed. >Posted/emailed. >-- > Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/ > jamie@voyager.net Co-Webmaster of http://www.nizkor.org/ Yes, you are a holohugger. http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/ From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:27 PST 1996 Article: 79707 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars... Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:49:49 GMT Organization: * Lines: 41 Message-ID: <56hata$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <19961107051200.AAA28883@ladder01.news.aol.com> <19961109051900.AAA09882@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article <19961109051900.AAA09882@ladder01.news.aol.com>, ceacaa@aol.com >wrote: >[snip] >> If the Germans were in the forced labor business >> for money and making an alleged net profit >> of $75 per month per laborer why did they let >> their laborer die after nine months? >Because the Nazis wanted to kill Jews. Then why, from France, did they choose only those fit for labor? Why did they not bother any Jew in Africa or Asia? Why did they act so differently in every place but Eastern Europe? as reported by Soviet sources that is. >> Also, if labor is so valuable so as to take the >> time and cost to set up the camp, guard system >> and housing, along with expensive hospital, >> saunas, and crematoria, why did they kill >> 90% (SHM) of the arriving workers? >Because the Nazis wanted to kill Jews. And explain why they only "wanted to kill" eastern european jews? as reported by soviet sources, that is. >> Your rational of the extermination/labor >> camps is that the Germans set them up to >> make a profit but then you have them >> killing off their labor supply and trained >> workers. >Yup. The the Nazis wanted to kill Jews while making a profit. They did >too. A handsome profit. Sources? References? How much profit? Please post numbers. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:28 PST 1996 Article: 79708 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.fan.ernst-zundel,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 961015: Jonathan Pollard Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:47:05 GMT Organization: * Lines: 30 Message-ID: <56hao6$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <54190r$sml@access5.digex.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.fan.ernst-zundel:3097 alt.revisionism:79708 mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: > There is some evidence which I find conspicuous by its silence: the >evidence of the assertion that Pollard "hurt America as much as did the >atomic spies." > I keep hearing the claim, but never do I see the evidence to back it >up. If you can supply it, I'll be happy to listen to it speak. And you can not have it. It is not for public consumption. It is called classified. > Pollard violated his oath and the law. That is not at issue. But >Pollard received a stiffer sentence than many who sold crucial information >to the Soviets back in the bad old days. Now, you could well argue that >the other people should have received harsher sentences - I certainly >would agree - but there is a legitimate question as to why Pollard was >treated differently. It was judged that he did more damage and caused greater harm to the US. The law makes no distinction as to who the information is sold to. He is a spy and a convicted felon who knowingly violated his oath of office. That is all the law requires. The penalty is determined by the damage assessment. It is unclear why Jews think Pollard should be treated differently from any other spy under the same law. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:29 PST 1996 Article: 79722 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!feeder.chicago.cic.net!chi-news.cic.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:41 GMT Organization: * Lines: 17 Message-ID: <56haus$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <326d3736.19315447@news.spry.com> <54qlmr$2ml@juliana.sprynet.com> <32730344.2349581@news.awinc.com> <556fkk$119o@news.gate.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Dene Bebbington wrote: >Matt Giwer wrote: >>Niz-kor made this happen >Made what happen? >>Read the information holohuggers fear >>http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism >Jesus, the Giwer idiot doesn't even know the correct name of IHR whose >pages he thinks "holohuggers fear". You have a bigger site to fear "real soon." http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/ From pj@o.rourke Sat Nov 16 06:57:30 PST 1996 Article: 79723 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!out2.nntp.cais.net!news.cais.net!in1.nntp.cais.net!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:12:12 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 35 Message-ID: <328d3d64.11609222@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <55dqh0$klm@Networking.Stanford.EDU> <327d30de.8680278@news.demon.co.uk> <55ub8h$8s8@access5.digex.net> <847903293.2404.8@vertigo.combase.com> <848093171.14332.6@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:27:19 -0500, Hardwire wrote: >Alec Grynspan wrote: > >> H> Again with the evidence claims... and WHERE IS the evidence??? >> >> Netcom was satisfied. Why the shorts in a knot? Hmmmm? > >Why are you sooo interested in my shorts? > >> H> Do you have evidence of Matt Giwer's mail-bombings or DON'T you? >> >> I do. >> > >Well then, post it, and I shall be drop the issue and admit that you >INDEED have a claim of injury. However, I don't want your logs.. no >no.. too easy to doctor. Why don't you get someone at Netcom to post >their logs? Or hey, I'll even be happy with a member of Netcom posting >here that Matt Giwer was guilty of mail-bombing. And do not forget to ask Gryny about the literally thousands of duplicate emails he sent me. He is a first class mailbomber in his own right. And he lies about doing it also. But then, he says he is jewish so he is expected to do such things and then lie about doing it. These folks hang together. Ken McVay makes harrassing phonecalls to my parents and someone else jumps in and lies about having done it. These are not normal people. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:31 PST 1996 Article: 79724 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars... Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:47:19 GMT Organization: * Lines: 15 Message-ID: <56haoj$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <54f2ok$3qv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: >Andrew Allen "ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa)" writes: ># Actually, I am incorrect. The figure per crematoria is ># closer to 1,000,000 Reichmarks for total construction. >But the price of converting LK1 into a gas chamber was >much smaller, of course. All they had to do was drill >holes in the roof, add a gas-tight door, and the >introduction devices. They had to choose which of the five rooms to use first. But you know that. From *@*.* Sat Nov 16 06:57:32 PST 1996 Article: 79735 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars... Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:47:27 GMT Organization: * Lines: 44 Message-ID: <56haos$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <54tpti$ism@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <550fto$bog@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 100644.317@compuserve.com (Miloslav Bilik) wrote: >dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: >>Andrew Allen "ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa)" writes: >># I do not know if this is "official" >># Holocaust history or not. or what is the offical position >># on how the 900,000 bodies at Treblinka were burned. >># Clearly, if Treblinka was "efficient" or cheap (just >># using camp labor) then that should have been the >># method used at Auschwitz two years later. >>Wood and petrol refuse were needed to burn the corpses >>in the ditches. It's hard to tell just how much was used, >>and, it is possible that this method was more efficient >>than cremations. But we know that the crematoriums, because >>of the continuous cremation, required a relatively small >>amount of coke (see >>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/ >>Coke_Consumption.jpg). >>It's hard to tell; maybe it was more efficient to use >>pyres in Auschwitz. So, it will prove that the SS wasn't >>absolutely and completely one-hundred-percent efficient. Unfortunately you are making this up as you go along. >The hald-decomposed corpses burned without fuel or almost with only a >few. Then when the first graves were emptied, they alterned old and >fat corpses (not "old women".. what an ashaming misunderstanding) with >anothers. Sorry but if the bodies are decomposing then they still have the water in them that requires the fuel. Dehydration that would require less fuel would also stop the decomposition process. >When the graves were empty, the situation became different. With >recent corpses, fuel, wood, became necessary. You have the same >difference in Birkenau. Before and after the building of the cremas. A fallacious creation on your part and not in any part of the literature. From pj@o.rourke Sat Nov 16 06:57:33 PST 1996 Article: 79742 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!gryphon.phoenix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,fl.general,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:45:28 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 13 Message-ID: <328d38bf.10420151@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com><558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <55c9l1$1pcc@news.gate.net> <55hc9i$2ucq$5@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <847303648.16749.0@vertigo.combase.com> <6NOV199618023824@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu><558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com><558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <55c9l1$1pcc@news.gate.net> <55hc9i$2ucq$5@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <847303648.16749.0@vertigo.combase.com> <6NOV199618023824@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu> <847333962.8623.2@vertigo.combase.com> <55u6uf$3n8$2@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <847902717.2404.7@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:91664 alt.revisionism:79742 On 15 Nov 96 10:35:58, alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote: ><*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> ><+[Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help] [13 Nov 96 >06:33][*][0]*> > > H> When you get the intelligence necessary to recognize sarcasm > H> please, do let us know. > >When you have the intelligence to create any, let us know. Such rapier wit. From pj@o.rourke Sat Nov 16 06:57:34 PST 1996 Article: 79775 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!visi.com!mr.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!gryphon.phoenix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:44:51 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 62 Message-ID: <328d383c.10289539@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559u0o$1m2s@news.gate.net> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <327fdff5.15295167@news.demon.co.uk> <3283539b.217744@pubnews.demon.co.uk> <3294a274.8960070@news.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 17:04:01 GMT, redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) wrote: >schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: > >>In article <3283539b.217744@pubnews.demon.co.uk>, redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk >>(Fergus McClelland) wrote: >> >>> schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >>> >>> >Of course, Mr. McClelland. When you are unable to produce a reasonable >>> >answer, or back up your statements with any facts, attack. And when >>> >speaking to a woman, be sure to throw in all that "menopause" and "thinking >>> >with her uterus" stuff. >>> > >>> >It speaks volumes about you, mr. McClelland. > Me >>> So, you do accept that I was not "forging" your name. >> >>NO. Nor do I have the vaguest idea where you got that idea. Since you >>obviously need small words for your reading comprehension, let me try >>again: >To explain: >You previously said: >> schwartz@infinet.com (Sara the Prefect) wrote: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > added/edited by Mr. McClelland, trying to make it look as if I have >this on >my header. > >>This shows that Mr. McClelland, for all his "outrage," is guilt of the very >>same thing as Mr. Giwer. Forgery. Plain and simple. > >To wihch I replied that I had not altered your name or your e-mail >address, so that what I was doing was NOT forgery, or a lie as you had >claimed. Unless of course, you registered yourself with your ISP as >Sara aka Perrrrrfect. But even then, this would not be forgery. >As you dropped the point I assumed that you had seen sense for once >and realised that I had NOT "forged" anything at this point. > >Allow me to give you an example from my personal experience. >A common carrier collected a package from me and I had to fill in a >form. There was a space for a signature from me which was only to be >signed if I had my own package insurance and did not want theirs. I >did not sign it. >After the package was damaged in transit, the company tried to evade >their liability as one of their servants or agents, (incidentally a >Jew) , had handwritten MY name in the space for my signature trying to >claim that it was my signature so that he, and the company, would be >at an advantage. After having sight of the document, I declared that >it was not my signature and said that it had been forged. The company >discovered that their man had done it. The police and lawyers all >agreed that this was NOT forgery, but merely misrepresentation. I, of >course, recieved considerable compensation. This is all an interesting exchange but this schwarze is a fatuous, self-centered and immature. The perfect image of a JAP. Her sole intention is to turn the conference into whine country to draw attention to herself. And she will continue to whine until she gets what she wants. From pj@o.rourke Sat Nov 16 06:57:35 PST 1996 Article: 79776 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!visi.com!mr.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!gryphon.phoenix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:42:07 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 39 Message-ID: <328d373d.10034413@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559u0o$1m2s@news.gate.net> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <327fdff5.15295167@news.demon.co.uk> <3283539b.217744@pubnews.demon.co.uk> <847904287.2404.9@vertigo.combase.com> <328A5D09.3AA1@nbnet.nb.ca> <847981962.5832.1@vertigo.combase.com> <328bf2cc.200524051@news.txdirect.net> <848091299.14332.0@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:91720 alt.revisionism:79776 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:56:06 -0500, Hardwire wrote: >Harry W. Mazal OBE wrote: >> >> On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 04:33:50 -0500, Hardwire >> wrote: >> >> >Keith Morrison wrote: >> >> [text delted] >> >> >??? Were you people born this stupid, or did you have to practice at >> >it? >> >> If one beds down with dogs, one is bound to wake up with fleas. The >> man who speaks to himself (and in the third person) is so hopelessly >> undeducated that his ways get rubbed off - just a teeny bit I might >> add - on those who read his garbage. The only way to obtain >> protection from this insidious disease (stupidity) is to set one's ZOG >> decoder ring on the "Protection from Chatty-Matty" channel. >> > >Tell ya what Mazal... If you REALLY believe that I am indeed Matt Giwer >posting under a different handle, then do please explain your reasons. >I'd like to know. > >Especially since Combase Communications cancelled his account twice in >the past and he hasn't been back since. Also, while you're at it, >explain why my account with Combase has existed all throughout Matt's >terminations at Combase. > >When you decide that you'd like to come down from whatever drug you're >taking and join the rest of us in the real world, please do so. It it this quality of mind, this great discernment of evidence and data the also believes in all that gassing and electrocution and steaming and suffocation and the like. From pj@o.rourke Sat Nov 16 06:57:36 PST 1996 Article: 79777 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!out2.nntp.cais.net!news.cais.net!in1.nntp.cais.net!tezcat!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,fl.general,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:13:04 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 27 Message-ID: <328d3f3c.12081467@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com><558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <55c9l1$1pcc@news.gate.net> <55hc9i$2ucq$5@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <847303648.16749.0@vertigo.combase.com> <32811cf3.4882500@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <847333778.8623.1@vertigo.combase.com> <847900803.2404.0@vertigo.combase.com> <328b4cc1.2248989@news.spry.com> <848091714.14332.2@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:91721 alt.revisionism:79777 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:03:01 -0500, Hardwire wrote: >Ken Lewis wrote: >> >> On Wed, 13 Nov 1996 06:01:34 -0500, Hardwire >> wrote: >> >> >Sara (aka Prrrefect)... Blow me. >> >> Are you _sure_ you are not the Giwer pig or his son? You are as >> crude and repugnant as he. Perhaps it is just being in the Giwer >> pigs vicinity that has turned you into an ugly fool. > >My goodness, what a cut-down. However will I survive? Easy, I'll just >smile and laugh and ask you what kind of life you must >have led to have such a small minded sense of humour. > >Really, if you could just step back and see the humour in all of this. >It's impressive. They are just trying to live up their reputation for being so clever. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Sat Nov 16 06:57:37 PST 1996 Article: 79785 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: statistics and statistics Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:51:20 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 46 Message-ID: <328da8f2.39143399@news.gte.net> References: <847136579.2481.0@cpsoft.demon.co.uk> <568mkv$18p$1@gruvel.une.edu.au> <847917370.6032.0@cpsoft.demon.co.uk> <56dknu$oqk$1@gruvel.une.edu.au> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 13 Nov 1996 23:14:06 GMT, ibokor wrote: >Subject: Re: statistics and statistics >From: Chris Whittington, chrisw@cpsoft.demon.co.uk >Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 20:36:10 GMT >In article <847917370.6032.0@cpsoft.demon.co.uk> Chris Whittington, >chrisw@cpsoft.demon.co.uk writes: > > >>A 'difference' of 'only 24,000' if not challenged effectively is >>a useful tool for anybody wishing to deny the holocaust. > > >Codswallop!! > >The fact that the Jewish population *decreased* by 24,000 >over a period when the world's population mmore than doubled >is a sticky matter for anyone wishing to deny the Holocaust. >More especially the fact that the Jewish population >decreased by about 6,000,000 in a period of twelve years >also invites questions. > >Any answers? Yes. What kind of stupidity are you talking about? Look, either these jews were primitive, redneck types or they were rich enough to put billions into Swiss banks. It you want something in between, define it. The ball is in your court. Beyond that there is NO, ZILCH, ZERO, NADA 6 million decrease period. That is the end of it. It does not exist. There is no such documentation. You LIE in claiming there is such a decrease. Why do you lie? But if you are going to claim you are not lying, post the documentation. Hint: It was NOT presented at Nuremberg, only alledged. Be the first, start a tradition! Post the evidence. Or forever be known as a lying holobugger. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Sat Nov 16 06:57:38 PST 1996 Article: 79786 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: **************** G I W E R R U L E S *************************************************** Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:53:29 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 35 Message-ID: <328daace.39619379@news.gte.net> References: <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <32798fa9.24153673@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <56hb04$hqb@news3.gte.net> <328c42b7.52677558@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:34:36 GMT, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) wrote: >In <56hb04$hqb@news3.gte.net>, Matt Giwer *@*.* (* *) wrote: > >[snip] > >>>>Did you think he would not return? >>>>Giwer achieves his goals, I'm sure. > >>>Ah, another "free speech advocate" endorses Matt Giwer's methods. > >> Sorry about that. My "metnods" are only to keep this conference on the track fo >>revisionism and out of the control of attempted usurpring holohuggers who are >>not now and have never been welcome here. > >> You holohuggers are NOT welcome here. > >While I have no idea what "metnods" are, the simple fact is that you >want to drive off your opposition because you know the "revisionist" >position is too weak to brook a challenge. > >All that you have proved--all thet you will ever prove by dumping on >this newsgroup--is that you are a weak, frightened little man. Certainly I am, that is why my name, address and phone number are public information and Ken McVay hides behind a mail drop and a phone number to a syagogue. I am in the open. McVay is a lying coward little shit holobugger as are you. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Sat Nov 16 06:57:39 PST 1996 Article: 79792 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Mr. Raven, please explain the contradiction Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 06:32:13 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 51 Message-ID: <328d5e39.20014560@news.gte.net> References: <56hb19$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:54:10 -0500, jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote: >In article <56hb19$hqb@news3.gte.net>, >*@*.* (a troll) wrote: > >> jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote: >> >> >Mr. Raven, >[...] >> >You say (1) "6 million ... is an irresponsible exaggeration," (2) "no >> >Nazi plan," and (3) "no Nazi gas chambers." You're being quite >> >consistent, since you explained your views in almost exactly the same >> >words on your first big entrance to the Internet, on Hitler's birthday, >> >1994. >> >> What about the other six million? > >That's a very good question. Holocaust-deniers have a marked tendency >to ignore the non-Jewish victims of the Nazi slaughter. I suspect this >is because they seem to be motivated by antisemitism more than anything >else, possibly more even than Naziphilia. As a matter of fact, when I used a tagline to the effect that '6 million were a tragedy, the other 6 million a footnote' I was challenged as to who were the other 6 million by the holohugger. I am aware they have taken to lying about having done that but that it what happened nevertheless. It is the holohuggers who refuse to deal with the other 6 million save by an occassional reference to "gypsies and others." They would prefer to forget the other 6 million as it is too hard to explain where the evidence is. Now where are the ten million bodies that were thrown into mass graves? Where are the ten thousand or so mass graves? >For example, Nizkor's home page proclaims memory >of the approximately twelve million victims of Nazi mass murder. The >only place the three letters "Jew" appear together on our home page is >in a quote from an IHR pamphlet. Nizkor is a pissant organization run by idiots. It is rather the attic of the holocaust. It is filled with knowing lies and deceptions among its less serious faults. Other than that, who did you think you were talking to? ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Sat Nov 16 06:57:40 PST 1996 Article: 79795 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!visi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!EU.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.bonehead.matt-giwer Subject: Re: Killfile mgiwer@gte.net (was Re: keyboards aren't kosher) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 05:39:24 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 17 Message-ID: <328d5341.17206684@news.gte.net> References: <55pgus$6mj@news1.gte.net> <32806C06.6C6C@ix.netcom.com> <847313943.23380.6@vertigo.combase.com> <32810502.756@rio.com> <847907114.2404.15@vertigo.combase.com> <3289DB72.3695@rio.com> <847982864.5832.4@vertigo.combase.com> <56ic4u$i4g@bell.maths.tcd.ie> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:79795 alt.bonehead.matt-giwer:641 On 15 Nov 1996 18:18:06 -0000, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hardwire writes: >>Attention all: The Chuckle Fairy has gone OVER the deep end. He's gone >>and he's NOT coming back. He's lost it. > > Let me guess - Chuck's posting hit you in a raw nerve? The Fighter Pilot who destroyed a camp in order to liberate it? The man who single-handedly won the war in Europe? He's one of yours. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Sat Nov 16 06:57:41 PST 1996 Article: 79797 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!news.texas.net!news1.best.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Repost of Reply to Stele Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:47:50 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 57 Message-ID: <328d9a76.35434973@news.gte.net> References: <56jc1d$qqe$4@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 16 Nov 1996 03:22:21 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote: >In message <56has5$hqb@news3.gte.net> - *@*.* (* *) writes: >:> >:>gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote: >:> >:>>In message <847311589.23380.0@vertigo.combase.com> - Hardwire >:>> writes: >:>>:> >:>>:>Alec Grynspan wrote: >:>>:>> >:>>:>> <*[*] [*] [Kimberley Ahlf] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> >:>>:>> <+[Re: Repost of Response To Stele] [29 Oct 96 20:39][*][0]*> >:>>:>> >:>>:>> KA> I claimed Matt Giwer lost every debate he ever engaged in. I >:>>:>> >:>>:>> That includes every debate in Fido's DEBATE echo and Controv echo - >:>>:>> other than one where I virtually led him by the hand. >:>>:>> >:>>:> >:>>:>Get thee hence, TRAITOR. If you had ONE ounce of spine, you might just >:>>:>qualify for a jellyfish role in life. >:> >:>>I'm far from an expert, Matt, but I believe jellyfish don't even have _one_ >:>>ounce of spine. Is there _anything_ you know? >:> >:> Speaking of spine there have been two more self-identified jews who have started >:>in with the harrassing phonecalls. Speak of spineless jews, hiding behind the >:>telephone. > >This is good stuff. The Giwer-troll is so whacked out on Sterno, or whatever, >that he actually posted a reply to _ME_. I am so honoured. Especially since >he has been running away like crazy all these months now. Obviously he had no >idea what he was doing. It means that kikes (not jews) have been engaged in cowardly activities. REmember when Ken McVay called my parents and then the liar came on and lied. >:> There isn't one of them with the balls to come and face me. But then, that is >:>what telephones are for, for cowardly jews, or is that jew cowards? Or is there >:>a difference? > >What wit! What careless abandon! > >BTW, you lost again Mattie. Mike says "hi". No, holobugger, you pretend I am, else your fellow holobuggers and fellow kikes would not be harrassing my providers trying to silence me. You are afraid of me. But you will lie and find some other reason to say you are not. But then you will be lying which is SOP for holobuggers and kikes. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Sat Nov 16 06:57:42 PST 1996 Article: 79801 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Information for Holocaust Revisionists Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 06:02:32 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 38 Message-ID: <328d5537.17708149@news.gte.net> References: <19961110223201.RAA14265@ladder01.news.aol.com> <567c0j$crg@rks1.urz.tu-dresden.de> <328c2b79.73530678@news.gte.net> <848098135.14332.16@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:50:02 -0500, Hardwire wrote: >Daniel Keren wrote: > >> Funny thing is that I asked about this in the aviation >> groups. One fellow who flew a Mustang in the war said that >> he once shouted instructions to a comrade on the ground >> (while flying), and that the other fellow had no special >> problems hearing him. > >Gee, ya know, a concerted SHOUT is kind of FAR removed from simple >laughter, and given the jagged, repetitive nature of laughter I find it >hard to believe it could be heard over the sounds of roaring engines. Keep in mind the Keren is simply lying. He asked no one and no one told him that. These people will tell any kind of lie to promote belief in their holocaust. But if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, consider that the stall speed of that plane was about 100 mph. There he was speaking very, very quickly. To test this, go to a speedway, and talk to the drivers as they go by. Keren and company truly believe it is possible. As I said, they will promote any lie, any falsehood, anything at all to support their favorite holocaust. And should you ever get around to looking into it, keep in mind that it is people like this who are promoting it. That means you have to question EVERY word. It is unfortunate but true. If they could be trusted to tell the truth it would be much simpler. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Sat Nov 16 06:57:42 PST 1996 Article: 79804 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Schindler's List Atrocities Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:21:33 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 51 Message-ID: <328d8513.29960049@news.gte.net> References: <130732_varange@crl.com_alt.revisionism> <130850_chuckf@rio.com_alt.revisionism> <130850_varange@crl.com_alt.revisionism> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 15 Nov 1996 10:20:09 -0800, varange@crl.com (Troy Varange) wrote: >Chuck Ferree writing [ 6886] bytes in <328796D2.888@rio.com> from nexp.crl.com!omen.cryptic.com!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!tandem!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.rio.com!news on alt.revisionism said: > >> zundel and his organization are propaganda specialists. Anti-Semites, >> pro-Nazi, anti-American and anti-Canadian, pro-German, pro-Hitler, >> pro-Holocaust (meaning they deny it happened, but wish it had) but our >> boy, Troy, is sucked in, so that's his problem. He's entitled, but for >> me , I draw the line when people like Varange promote denier baloney, >> because I'm entitled also. > > Fun loving Zundel calls for censoring Shindler's List, what a > guy! He's reaching out his tender hand to all the > oppressed! > > Shindler's List should at least be illegal in Germany and > Israel for defaming the dead. Ruling class member Steven > Spielberg promotes the Neo-Nazi ideas that Jews are wimps, > simple mindless idiots who no one should ever bother with. Obviously they were simple mindless idiots with a "gas me, don't shoot me" mentality. And if they were not then they did not know what was happening and neither did any other German citizen of the time. The holobuggers want it every way they can. They what German non-jews as willing accomplices and German jews as ignorant of their fate. And they want both at the same time. And they also want it a deep dark secret to explain the lack of resistance to being shipped. That is three things they want at the same time. What they do not want is it being a secret and German non-jews not knowing about it. If that were true then only ex-Nazis could be extorted to pay for Israel's undeserved subsidies. Of course the simplest explanation, the easiest way out of these mental gymnastics is that no one knew about it because it was not happening. Once one insists it happened (despite the complete absense of physical evidence) then comes the need for the contortions of reason and the mutually exclusive hypothesis' regarding surrounding events. But holobuggers want it all three mutually exclusive ways at the same time. But of course we know they are a deceiful bunch, willing to lie to support any aspect of their precious death fixation. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Sat Nov 16 06:57:43 PST 1996 Article: 79813 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Jews Blaming The Holocaust On David Irving Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:07:47 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 58 Message-ID: <328d926e.33379185@news.gte.net> References: <566eqg$1mm@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> <130802_miasaura@ccnis.net_alt.revisionism> <130802_varange@crl.com_alt.revisionism> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 15 Nov 1996 11:16:56 -0800, varange@crl.com (Troy Varange) wrote: >Annie Alpert writing [ 2074] bytes in <32888E65.5A24@ccnis.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!nntp-hub.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!206.20.179.42 on alt.revisionism said: > >> Kay, While the phrase 'anti-Semitism' is interpreted differently by >> different people, I believe David Irving has met the minimum definition >> of that phrase by his escalating obsession and dislike for the >> collective group "Jews". Of course, he, himself, disputes this. I >> don't find that surprising since I've never heard a definition of >> 'anti-Semite" that included the person constructing the definition. > > #1) Antisemitism can be defined as intentionally feeling > desires that potentionally may reduce the power of the Jewish > collective leadership; > > #2) and when unintentional, failing to make amends for it. > > It has not yet been proven that Irving is an antisemite; > after all, he could be an agent of Jewish businessmen. > > On the other hand, he does claim that he is not an antisemite, > a fairly accurate symptom of antisemitism. This sounds like a Monty Python skit. "I'm not a witch!" See? She denied it. That proves she's a witch." So lets see, any and all pleas of "not guilty" prove that the person is guilty. Denial of guilt is proof of guilt. As you of course notice, this reasoning only applies to certain limited non-crimes such as anti-semitism. >> I've heard Mr. Irving speak and read his writings and one theme is >> constant--Jews. He jokes about them, calls them "The Traditional >> Enemy," and blames them for many of his personal troubles. > > Well, what he should do is treat Jews in the same manner > they treat him, but that would be very nazi of him. That sounds very familiar. First jews attack and then claim any counter-attack is anti-semitic. >> Normally, I say--Fine. Go for it, David. You are entitled to feel >> however you like. But when a writer sets himself up as the arbiter of >> truth and makes unfounded accusations under the guise of "history," I >> get my hackles up. He is a self-appointed historian. > > I sure hope he's a self-appointed historian. I mean, no one > wants to be forced to be a historian against their will. Or be annointed as one as are all but two holocaust writers. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:41:10 PST 1996 Article: 79827 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: A Certain Perspective Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:59:02 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 32 Message-ID: <328d9e28.36380727@news.gte.net> References: <32848ef6.762029@199.0.216.204> <56c6n9$6v3$1@gruvel.une.edu.au> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 13 Nov 1996 10:08:41 GMT, ibokor wrote: >tom moran wrote > >> >> Six million Jews killed? >> >>If we could line up that many people in rows, toe to heal and ten >>across, the whole line would be about a hundred miles long. >> >>If you started at one end in a car and drove along side these ten >rows >>at 60 miles an hour, it would take you about an hour and a half >before >>you got to the other end. >> >>Think about that the next time you take a spin. > > >Yes, it is amazing, depressingly amazing. >Put another way, it is like wiping out >all of Switzerland at the time, >or all of Finnland Norway and Albania, >or all of Catalonia, >or all of the Baltic States and then some..... Or all of the Confederacy? What are your criteria for being "not nice?" ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:11 PST 1996 Article: 79828 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Jews Blaming The Holocaust On David Irving Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:38:59 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 58 Message-ID: <328d8ba9.31646027@news.gte.net> References: <566eqg$1mm@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> <130802_miasaura@ccnis.net_alt.revisionism> <130802_varange@crl.com_alt.revisionism> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 15 Nov 1996 11:16:56 -0800, varange@crl.com (Troy Varange) wrote: >Annie Alpert writing [ 2074] bytes in <32888E65.5A24@ccnis.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!nntp-hub.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!206.20.179.42 on alt.revisionism said: > >> Kay, While the phrase 'anti-Semitism' is interpreted differently by >> different people, I believe David Irving has met the minimum definition >> of that phrase by his escalating obsession and dislike for the >> collective group "Jews". Of course, he, himself, disputes this. I >> don't find that surprising since I've never heard a definition of >> 'anti-Semite" that included the person constructing the definition. > > #1) Antisemitism can be defined as intentionally feeling > desires that potentionally may reduce the power of the Jewish > collective leadership; > > #2) and when unintentional, failing to make amends for it. > > It has not yet been proven that Irving is an antisemite; > after all, he could be an agent of Jewish businessmen. > > On the other hand, he does claim that he is not an antisemite, > a fairly accurate symptom of antisemitism. This sounds like a Monty Python skit. "I'm not a witch!" See? She denied it. That proves she's a witch." So lets see, any and all pleas of "not guilty" prove that the person is guilty. Denial of guilt is proof of guilt. As you of course notice, this reasoning only applies to certain limited non-crimes such as anti-semitism. >> I've heard Mr. Irving speak and read his writings and one theme is >> constant--Jews. He jokes about them, calls them "The Traditional >> Enemy," and blames them for many of his personal troubles. > > Well, what he should do is treat Jews in the same manner > they treat him, but that would be very nazi of him. That sounds very familiar. First jews attack and then claim any counter-attack is anti-semitic. >> Normally, I say--Fine. Go for it, David. You are entitled to feel >> however you like. But when a writer sets himself up as the arbiter of >> truth and makes unfounded accusations under the guise of "history," I >> get my hackles up. He is a self-appointed historian. > > I sure hope he's a self-appointed historian. I mean, no one > wants to be forced to be a historian against their will. Or be annointed as one as are all but two holocaust writers. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:12 PST 1996 Article: 79829 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Jews Blaming The Holocaust On David Irving Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:32:28 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 58 Message-ID: <328d88f0.30949084@news.gte.net> References: <566eqg$1mm@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> <130802_miasaura@ccnis.net_alt.revisionism> <130802_varange@crl.com_alt.revisionism> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 15 Nov 1996 11:16:56 -0800, varange@crl.com (Troy Varange) wrote: >Annie Alpert writing [ 2074] bytes in <32888E65.5A24@ccnis.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!nntp-hub.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!206.20.179.42 on alt.revisionism said: > >> Kay, While the phrase 'anti-Semitism' is interpreted differently by >> different people, I believe David Irving has met the minimum definition >> of that phrase by his escalating obsession and dislike for the >> collective group "Jews". Of course, he, himself, disputes this. I >> don't find that surprising since I've never heard a definition of >> 'anti-Semite" that included the person constructing the definition. > > #1) Antisemitism can be defined as intentionally feeling > desires that potentionally may reduce the power of the Jewish > collective leadership; > > #2) and when unintentional, failing to make amends for it. > > It has not yet been proven that Irving is an antisemite; > after all, he could be an agent of Jewish businessmen. > > On the other hand, he does claim that he is not an antisemite, > a fairly accurate symptom of antisemitism. This sounds like a Monty Python skit. "I'm not a witch!" See? She denied it. That proves she's a witch." So lets see, any and all pleas of "not guilty" prove that the person is guilty. Denial of guilt is proof of guilt. As you of course notice, this reasoning only applies to certain limited non-crimes such as anti-semitism. >> I've heard Mr. Irving speak and read his writings and one theme is >> constant--Jews. He jokes about them, calls them "The Traditional >> Enemy," and blames them for many of his personal troubles. > > Well, what he should do is treat Jews in the same manner > they treat him, but that would be very nazi of him. That sounds very familiar. First jews attack and then claim any counter-attack is anti-semitic. >> Normally, I say--Fine. Go for it, David. You are entitled to feel >> however you like. But when a writer sets himself up as the arbiter of >> truth and makes unfounded accusations under the guise of "history," I >> get my hackles up. He is a self-appointed historian. > > I sure hope he's a self-appointed historian. I mean, no one > wants to be forced to be a historian against their will. Or be annointed as one as are all but two holocaust writers. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:13 PST 1996 Article: 79830 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: GrynSPAM is a wannabe. Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:45:10 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 80 Message-ID: <328d8a9b.31376016@news.gte.net> References: <326F388C.370C171D@vertigo.combase.com> <846863630.14477.1@vertigo.combase.com> <55dla3$56t@access5.digex.net> <847310772.16749.13@vertigo.combase.com> <55rdd7$6f2@access1.digex.net> <847334280.8623.4@vertigo.combase.com> <638_9611091214@tor250.org> <847908010.2404.20@vertigo.combase.com> <848106077.7315.0@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:02:28 -0500, Hardwire wrote: >Alec Grynspan wrote: >> >> <*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> >> <+[Re: More stupidity from the lips of Hardwire.] [13 Nov 96 08:01][*][0]*> >> >> >> If you became annoying enough to someone, he might simply >> >> killfile you. If you became excessively annoying, he might >> >> just nuke you via a UDP. >> >> H> How interesting.. Are you proposing an attack on my system now >> H> Grynspan? How becoming.... although useless.... but becoming >> H> none the less. >> >> Your knowledge of the mechanisms in USENET is in the realm of total >> ignorance. > > >USENET: Based on an older concept of UUCP for news delivery (in much the >same method as FidoNet) and Unix to Unix Copying. Replaced by the newer >(not that new) protocol NNTP (Network News Transfer Protocol). Very >much filled to the brim with assholes like GrynSPAM. > >> >> I said UDP, not the TSUNAMI trigger. >> > >TSUNAMI: An IRC war script designed to effectively to drown a user's IRC >client, and thus his system, with a barrage of messages. It's a >particularly nasty script to use/abuse. The typical approach to using >this involves starting several "clones" at once to invade a channel one >by one, and then when the time is right to have them all run the Tsunami >script at once thus ensuring that the target user is flooded from IRC. > >UDP: User Datagram Protocol. Simple, unreliable (unlike it's big >brother TCP). Whereas TCP does advanced error checking up to and >including sequence checking, and retransmission, UDP has no such >glamour. UDP packets use a simple checksum to determine the integrity >of the data received. Packets which fail their checksum are simply >discarded (likewise if the incoming queue overflows the "high-water" >mark). You should bill grynspam for the education. He has been in such need of it. And he pretends to know something when the best he can do is get his lacky Palestinian to do it for him or be fired. Programming knowledge is too much like manual labor. I have spent many hours on the phone with him. He always avoided any technical discussion and made very stupid responses when he could not avoid discussion. To summarize, he is a fraud as you have clearly demonstrated. >Ahem.... OK lesseeee. Usenet... yeah Gryn, I REALLY expected you to >infiltrate or even cripple my system via the Usenet... riiiiiggghhttt. > >Umm TSUNAMI.. sorry Gryn, try again please. I seldom get on IRC, and >even by some off chance if you found me there you'd have an ice cube's >chance in hell of getting past BitchX (modified, overhauled, mean mother >of an ircII 2.8 revision). > >Ok, now UDP. Nahhh sorry Gryn. I'd REALLY like to see you attempt >something so useless. Guess you're just not up on your RFC's huh? Why >not ICMP if anything? It's a more productive route. > >What am I SAYING??!!! This is GrynSPAM we're talking about... he >doesn't even know how to FLAME no less do something as mentally >challenging as compromising a system's security! > > You are a very, very amusing little man GrynSPAM. But he told me on the phone that he did wet-work for the Mossad, that he was a paid murderer. I am so quivering at the thought of having this camel turd upset with me. Excuse, that should have been sand-nigger. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:14 PST 1996 Article: 79831 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!visi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.fan.ernst-zundel Subject: Re: 961115: The Tale of the City of Nanaimo. Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:01:03 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 29 Message-ID: <328d8fec.32737002@news.gte.net> References: Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:79831 alt.fan.ernst-zundel:3099 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:19:35 -0800, zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) wrote: >------------ BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ------------ > >November 15, 1996 > >Good Morning from the Zundelsite: > >After I came back from Vancouver, I received a call from Ernst who sounded >chipper as can be and told me happily: "I am on Vancouver Island in the >city of Nanaimo. I am trying to find Ken McVay to see if I can get an >interview. . . " and I said: "You are kidding!" As a matter of interest and on this subject there are people who hate me with a vengence but in fact respect me. Only two of them actively post here. The reason for the respect, however grudging, is that my name, address and phone number are openly available as public information. I note that Zundes follows the same policy. That makes it at least two people of courage to one coward. The coward being Ken McVay, dishonorably discharged Ken McVay. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:15 PST 1996 Article: 79832 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Giwer-Swine (tm) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:04:28 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 58 Message-ID: <328d90ea.32990975@news.gte.net> References: Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:13:50 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: > > >============================================================================= > >Subject: Re: MARK VAN ALSTINE: A PROFILE IN DESPERATION >Sent: 11/15/96 1:42 PM >To: Matt Giwer, *@*.* > >>On Mon, 28 Oct 1996 19:31:44 -0800, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) >>wrote in >>alt.revisionism: >> >>>In article <54snmd$3d7@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net wrote: >> >>>[Herr Wankermeister's mindless yapping snipped] >> >>>> At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson >charged that >>>> the Germans invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near >>>> Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue >>>> series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now >>>> accepts this fanciful tale. >> >>>Obviously, Herr Wankermeister is sharing whatever swill of the week the >>>gonadotoxic Giwer-swine is guzzling. >> >> Just what are you going to do when you find your shit lies on a website as a >>condemnation of holohuggers? > >============================================================================= > > >Mr. Giwer, > >You are hearby notified (again) that I do _not_ wish to recieve any >corrospondance whatsoever from you, and that any further unsolicited >private corrospondance from you will be considered harrassment and dealt >with accordingly. Furthermore, any e-mail that I recieve will be made >public at my discretion. You have not received any. So why are you attempting to portray that you have save that you are a known, lying holobugger? But what else but lies are to be expected from a holobugger? You are probably a jew also and know you can play on the "my grandmother was turned into a lampshade" to justify any lie, deception, and defamation that jews are "stereotyped" as being but in fact actually are. You sir, to your face, are lying. You are a liar. You are a jew. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:41:16 PST 1996 Article: 79835 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Doin' the National Appliance Polka: Brian Smith Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:56:34 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 31 Message-ID: <328dab69.39774103@news.gte.net> References: <846101891$22870@atype.com> <846117382$24861@atype.com> <846180184$199@atype.com> <846203588$2628@atype.com> <846205434$2982@atype.com> <846211684$3615@atype.com> <846216185$3966@atype.com> <54plll$fa9@is05.micron.net> <32718d4a.5233509@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <56haqj$hqb@news3.gte.net> <328e4e2b.55610083@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:06:12 GMT, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) wrote: >In <56haqj$hqb@news3.gte.net>, *@*.* (* *) wrote: > >>jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote: > >[snip] > >>>A guy dumb enough to belong to a neo-Nazi organization like the >>>National Alliance believes in a crackpot theory that whitewashes the >>>patron saint of his religion, Adolf Hitler. > >>>Go figure. > >> Obviously the National Alliance has more truth on its side than the idiot, lying >>holohuggers. > >Matt Giwer hates Jews, denies the Holocaust, and thinks that the >National Alliance has some truth on its side. > >Go figure. If you were bright enough to do so you would. But you are not. I do not hate jews, only kikes and holobuggers such as yourself. You are all scum animals. But that is nothing new. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:41:17 PST 1996 Article: 79836 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.org.cia,alt.politics.org.fbi,sci.physics,alt.war,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Announce: Neutron Bomb--Its Unknown History and Moral Purpose Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:24:41 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 45 Message-ID: <328da1f3.37352570@news.gte.net> References: <329185b8.790590@199.0.216.204> <328CCF2B.75AB@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.libertarian:233633 alt.philosophy.objectivism:91521 alt.politics.org.cia:14846 alt.politics.org.fbi:6417 sci.physics:111499 alt.war:24166 alt.revisionism:79836 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:14:35 -0600, Judson McClendon wrote: >tom moran wrote: >> During the Gulf War build up, there appeared some 45 vcolumns in >> the N.Y. and L.A. Times calling for the U.S. to bash Israel's enemy >> Iraq. >> >> Of the 45 columns, 42 of them were by Jews. >[snip] > >Do we smell a little anti-semitism here? After all, Iraq and the other >Arab nations have sworn again and again since 1948 to 'push the Jews >into the sea', and have tried to do so a number of times. Is it any >wonder the Jews (I'm not Jewish) would have ill feelings toward Iraq? Facts can not be anti-semitic. Nor can there be a claim that 93% of the columns by 2% of the population is merely an accident. And in fact they have proposed to push ISRAEL into the sea that it happens to be populated by jews is a secondary issue as jews are people of the book and protected by the teachings of the Prophet. As to Iraq, they were never involved in any such attempt for nearly half a century. You are merely pointing out the anti-muslim bigotry of jews in highlighting Iraq. Jews hate muslims nearly as much as they hate Christians. Zionists CHOSE to go to the heart of Muslim territory is FULL KNOWLEDGE of the hatred it would cause. The zionists wanted exactly the hatred they have now. To say otherwise is to say they were stupid and they were not. They wanted this confrontation with Muslims and they have it. They wanted to have an excuse to kill them and they got that excuse. Zionists are murderers of the first order and know that they are and are proud of it. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:41:17 PST 1996 Article: 79837 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!news.nstn.ca!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Cremation Rates Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:42:55 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 40 Message-ID: <328da759.38733659@news.gte.net> References: <32898f2a.813878@199.0.216.204> <328bdd82.1119206@199.0.216.204> <328d83ad.267594@199.0.216.204> <328d5d05.733413149@news.micron.net> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 06:22:22 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote: >On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:15:57 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van >Alstine) wrote: >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes >>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but >>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." >> >>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago" >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will >no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his >rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part. > >Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975. > >On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the >six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts, >Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh >Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book. All six >are Jews. It was not clear to me why it took so long for Sozhenitsyn to become an accepted writer in the US. He was challenged for entry and his writings were first panned here. It was obvious that he was telling the truth about the Gulag system, simply that it existed was a truth despite tens of millions having died in it. Obviously the holohuggers were against any publication against either a marxist like Stalin who started it all and that Jews ran the system where the life expectancy was seven years. It is assumed that Jews can not be what they really are. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:18 PST 1996 Article: 79848 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!super.zippo.com!zdc-e!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: More stupidity from the lips of Hardwire. Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 06:47:34 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 26 Message-ID: <328d6318.21260863@news.gte.net> References: <326F388C.370C171D@vertigo.combase.com> <846863630.14477.1@vertigo.combase.com> <55dla3$56t@access5.digex.net> <847310772.16749.13@vertigo.combase.com> <55rdd7$6f2@access1.digex.net> <847334280.8623.4@vertigo.combase.com> <638_9611091214@tor250.org> <847908010.2404.20@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 15 Nov 96 10:54:26, alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote: ><*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> ><+[Re: More stupidity from the lips of Hardwire.] [13 Nov 96 08:01][*][0]*> > > >> If you became annoying enough to someone, he might simply > >> killfile you. If you became excessively annoying, he might > >> just nuke you via a UDP. > > H> How interesting.. Are you proposing an attack on my system now > H> Grynspan? How becoming.... although useless.... but becoming > H> none the less. > >Your knowledge of the mechanisms in USENET is in the realm of total >ignorance. > >I said UDP, not the TSUNAMI trigger. Hardwire, should anything like this happen, you can easily find the host for GRYN.ORG and respond in kind to the host also. There is also a Mike Carr that AG has posted as being part of his harrassment. I can give you his email addr also. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:19 PST 1996 Article: 79856 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Suchomel and Shoah Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 06:10:29 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 42 Message-ID: <328d5923.18712727@news.gte.net> References: <565v2j$ohh@Vir.com> <3287a6c3.9663559@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <56f6p7$f22@Vir.com> <328c8977.2982357@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:28:47 GMT, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) wrote: >In <56f6p7$f22@Vir.com>, Jean-Francois Beaulieu wrote: > >>John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) wrote: > >>> In <565v2j$ohh@Vir.com>, Jean-Francois Beaulieu wrote: > >>> [a rather stupid argument that the Suchomel interviewed in Lanzmann's >>> documentary was not the real Suchomel] > >>> Golly, you have become awfully predictable. If you don't like a >>> document, it is a forgery. If you don't like a witness, he is lying or >>> was tortured. Now we can add to your list of predictable responses >>> that, if you don't like an interview, the person being interviewed was >>> an actor. > >> And if you don't like an interview given by a crematory operator, you >> tampered it and you invent a fictive canadian law? > >Sorry, but your lame insinuation that I lied about something does not >erase the fact that you have invented a complete fantasy about >Lanzmann using an actor to portray Suchomel in order to prove that the >Holocaust happened. Most people would have been embarrased to say such >a stupid thing. But not you. You are so desperate to find a reason to >doubt the historicity of the Holocaust that you have to invent such >fantasies all the time. But from daily experience in the conference we know that holohugger lie to support their holocaust stories. It is expected that the professional holohuggers will do the same thing. After all we have seen so many examples of perjured testimony by witnesses (as in, one can not witness what is physically impossible) that we always have to be on guard against lies and deceit. In fact it is so prevalent in holohuggery that it is the rational first assumption in any matter regarding it. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:20 PST 1996 Article: 79861 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: ihr7 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 07:16:41 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 38 Message-ID: <328d68fd.22770092@news.gte.net> References: <56hau8$hqb@news3.gte.net> <848097747.14332.15@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:43:37 -0500, Hardwire wrote: >Daniel Keren wrote: > >> # Jewish workers removed the bodies. By means of a special >> # procedure... they were burned in the open air without the use >> ^^^ >> # of fuel." >> >> Note how Giwer carefully deleted the reference in Morgen's >> testimony to a "procedure developed by Wirth", which most >> probably means that he was referring to the fact that wood >> was used, and not gasoline (as in the "Reinhard" camps, >> which were under Wirth's supervision). >> >> Never trust a "revisionist" to correctly quote a source. They >> are, after all, lying scum. >> > >Well gee... I would sort of think of wood as a fuel for FIRE. At least >the last time I had a cookout that particular scientific law was still >valid. Has it changed recently? And thus another example of the deliberate attempt at deception by a holohugger. Obviously wood is fuel. Further wood would not be referred to as a "special method" so there is no chance of translation error being the cause of this bit of physical impossibility. Note further that he would decieve people into believing that wood was the "procedure developed by Wirth" in a world where Nordic funeral pyres (fueled by wood) were in fact and in legend for centuries. It is left to the reader to determine who is attempting to decieve who. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:21 PST 1996 Article: 79865 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!super.zippo.com!zdc-e!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Now it's SEVEN !?! million Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 06:38:59 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 18 Message-ID: <328d6169.20830416@news.gte.net> References: <3288E0B7.4C48@copper-mt.com> <3292f10a.6119304@199.0.216.204> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 15 Nov 96 10:44:33, alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote: ><*[*] [*] [tom moran] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> ><+[Re: Now it's SEVEN !?! million] [13 Nov 96 11:07][*][0]*> > > tm> be finding the claim that the other 5, 6, 7 million non Jews > tm> said to have been killed in the Holocaust were really Jewish. > tm> Maybe it might even hit a 100,000,000, a 1,000,000,000. > tm> Who knows? There seems to be no limits to the exaggeration > tm> technique. > >Did your mother drop you on your head as a baby or is it genetic? With such wit, there is a replacement for Richard Pryor. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:22 PST 1996 Article: 79866 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!gryphon.phoenix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: I have to admit Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:24:28 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 19 Message-ID: <328c4fd5.82838708@news.gte.net> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 I have to admit that Alec Grynspan I once conspired to harrass David Dahlman off of the network because he cared about his home address. Recently Markuk/Grynspan has left an enmail of the wrong address and is threatening the wrong person. Not only the wrong person, but I have never heard of her. What are these holohugger like Marduk and Idirect all about? Consider that Marduk calls me almost every day from Canada and its calls are being saved for prosecution. Consider that Canada does does not give a shiht about such harassment and that Netcom Canada condones such behaviour from its employees. Netcom Canada is scum of the earth lying shitfaced jewhugging, holohugging shit. The organization is composed of anmals and/or jews if there is a difference as there is no difference be the behavior. From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:22 PST 1996 Article: 79867 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!gryphon.phoenix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Lanzmann, not dead yet Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:24:22 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 29 Message-ID: <328c4be2.81827045@news.gte.net> References: <56dp5d$4o7@Vir.com> <56h72n$b6q@access5.digex.net> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 15 Nov 1996 02:45:27 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: >In article <56dp5d$4o7@Vir.com>, Jean-Francois Beaulieu wrote: >> >> Recently I posted something on Suchomel and there was a couple of >> arguments develloped in alt.revisionism. >> One of the argument is that more than one camera may have been involved. >> Another one is that the picture could have been taken from outside, through >> a window. Another one, Annie Halpert, said that Suchomel asked to not reveal >> his name but accepted to be filmed. Obviously the latest one is a >> non-sense. However, there's an index of the N.Y Times at Concordia >> University and I was able to find a couple of articles printed in 1985. >> The 20 october 1985, page H-17, Lanzmann explain how he filmed Suchomel: >> he brough with him a woman, and she hide a camera in a bag. There was a >> little hole in the bag. This is his version. It is thus impossible to >> film from 3 different distances and get a closed picture of the map in >> such a case. > > Impossible? I suggest there are some things you have not considered. > > Ever hear of a zoom lens? You fucking idiot. A zoom lens? It just happened to be pointed in the right direction wnen the "bio-feedback" got the signal to the camera to zoom in "absolute! silence? What an idiot. From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:23 PST 1996 Article: 79868 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!gryphon.phoenix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: More on the demands for $wi$$ billions Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:24:18 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 35 Message-ID: <328c48d0.81041453@news.gte.net> References: <3291ef1b.5624155@199.0.216.204> <328e2687.379806@199.0.216.204> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:03:00 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote: > > Holocaust Question: > >Will all this clamoring for Swiss billions: > >A. Cause people to be more responsive to seeking out the plight of the >Jewish people through the Holocaust story? > >B. Cause people to be more responsive to the revisionist side of >story? Everyone knows the stereotype of Jews! They must have deposited Billions! But then they were also people who could not leave their country because they were so poor. Every shithead jew must have stashed away billions in Switzerland instead of buying their way out by paying off the Zionists in Palestine. He labored in the factory. He saved his billions. Just who in the hell is preserving a sterotype here? They were born poor. They lived poor. They died poor. What in the hell is this "rich" stereotype? Only when there is money involved, obviously. From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:24 PST 1996 Article: 79870 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!gryphon.phoenix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Is Kreiberg a Fake Dane? Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:24:40 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 25 Message-ID: <328c571a.84699842@news.gte.net> References: <55u87s$d7b@news.enter.net> <328bc215.628197285@news.micron.net> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:22:47 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article <328bc215.628197285@news.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt >Stele) wrote: > >[Mr. SMith's rabid slobbering snipped] > >> "[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full >> of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, >> overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be >> lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies." >> >> Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New >> York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. > >"In Jerusalem there is a memorial site for the six million Jews murdered >by the Nazi's during World War 2. It is called Yad Vashem and was raised >1953. 12 million, 9 million with zero evidence. Get your story straight, dumbshit. From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:25 PST 1996 Article: 79871 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Bye, Bye, "Master Plan"? Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 08:03:44 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 100 Message-ID: <328d7327.25372054@news.gte.net> References: <328e83b3.273361@199.0.216.204> <56i8s8$4v8@access5.digex.net> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 15 Nov 1996 12:22:16 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: >In article <328e83b3.273361@199.0.216.204>, >tom moran wrote: >> >> There must be hundreds of examples that claim the Holocaust was >>the result of a master plan by Hitler and the Germans to kill all the >>Jews. Now we are starting to see examples of claims that say it was an >>off shoot result of the German invasion of Russia. > > That is the thesis of Arno Mayer. However, he seemed to ignore a lot >of inconvenient evidence which did not agree with his theory. > > >> Evidently their counting on the newly released documents from >>Russian archives to show millions more were killed in Russia by German >>police and not necessarily by the SS, with it all becoming the >>precedence for the eventual establishment of "extermination camps". >> >> The one thing we can come to recognize when researching the truth >>or falsity of the Holocaust story is that there is nothing to show >>there was a master plan. > > That's not true, Tommy. But it _would_ be true to say that there is >nothing which _conclusively proves_ the existence of a master plan, at >least before the start of the war. There is some evidence for a master >plan, but also some evidence against it. > > Holocaust historians have for a very long time been divided into two >camps, the "intentionalists" (who believe Hitler had an intention to kill >all the Jews as soon as he could get away with it) and the >"functionalists" who believe that the Nazis started killing Jews as a >reaction to circumstances and a progressive. Which is reminiscent of the two camps of angel dancing as to whether a finite or an infinite number can dance upon the head of a pin. They, too, ignored the fundamental issue, there are no such things as angels. Both the angelists and the exterminationists are very, very stupid. >>The whole story, the result of 99% eyewitness >>testimony, has the extermination system being run in such a haphazard >>way it is obvious it can not be shown to be the result of a master >>plan with premeditated organization. The whole Holocaust story is the >>composite of eyewitness testimonies. > > Now we come to the difference between a master plan that has all the >details worked out, and a plan which definitely intends a result, but is >still looking for the way to get that result. I don't know of anybody who >claims that Hitler planned, all the way back in 1933 or even 1939, to >build a camp at Treblinka which would use carbon monoxide and another camp >at Oswiecim which would use cyanide to kill Jews. That's a strawman. The >two scenarios which are seriously discussed by historians are: Exterminationists are very stupid people, the way you portray them. > 1) Hitler was consciously looking for a way to kill Jews as soon > as they could figure out the technical means and could do it > without too many people catching on and stopping them. Considering 12 million total and only around 2 million gassed the figuring out of the "technical means" for the 10 million was the gun, a bullet. According to your "historians" that was the highly technical means used. > 2) Hitler just wanted to get the Jews out of Europe, and he would > have been very happy to send them all to Madagascar or Israel. > Unfortunately it turned out that they only way they could get > the Jews out of Europe was to kill them. So that's what they > decided to do. And this ignores the other six million and completely avoids consideration of the 10 million in mass graves all over eastern europe that no one has found. > That is the very real and very legitimate argument between historians. >The first group would be the people talking about a "master plan." But I >think both groups agree they didn't really know for sure which method of >killing would be best, so they tried different things and changed when >they found a better way. I have another question. How could "historians" better referred to as writers do a better job and come up with different conclusions than did four nations in complete control of Europe with millions of man-hours of effort and all the resources they needed? Today a person lives between 600 and 700 thousand hours. Hundreds of non-sleeping, totally dedicated lifetimes were dedicated to the Trials. How can a few writers do better in their spare time? Please be specific in your response. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:26 PST 1996 Article: 79894 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!tezcat!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!gryphon.phoenix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine? Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:24:06 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 17 Message-ID: <328d33a5.9114858@news.gte.net> References: <54fvdl$jb6@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <326DABCF.4464A533@vertigo.combase.com> <199610231658.AA14832@world.std.com> <3270D751.7DD08F9C@vertigo.combase.com> <54sp0c$3d7@is05.micron.net> <54toe3$jnr@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <327331A3.6792331A@vertigo.combase.com> <9c3_9610290041@tor250.org> <558n0l$qeo@news.gate.net> <327E2729.6FA4@gryn.org><54fvdl$jb6@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <326DABCF.4464A533@vertigo.combase.com> <199610231658. <847906381.2404.13@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 15 Nov 96 10:52:03, alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote: ><*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> ><+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [13 Nov 96 >07:34][*][0]*> > > >> Behave yourself, Mattie. He wiped out your old man. You > >> would be child's play, so to speak. > > H> You're like one of those kids in a school yard brawl that's > H> egging on a fight.... why is that? Don't you have a life Gordy? > >More than you do. Speaking of kids in the schoolyard, was that clever riposte supposed to show what it is like? From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:41:27 PST 1996 Article: 79900 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Zionist Occupational Army Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:58:18 GMT Organization: * Lines: 111 Message-ID: <328c3052.74771160@news.gte.net> References: <56654i$dbc@news.sas.ab.ca> <328818a8.115860280@news.txdirect.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 12 Nov 1996 06:35:52 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote: >On 11 Nov 1996 03:04:50 GMT, intphase@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote: > >> >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>Date: 28 Oct 1996 03:54:25 GMT >>From: Mark Steinberg >>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.general,can.politics >>Subject: ZOG Brief #1-Introduction - THIS IS NO JOKE!!! >> >>Zionist Occupational Government of Metropolitan Sacramento > >[Top Secret Eyes Only Message deleted with a ZOG Mark II decoder ring] > >Shame, Mr. Steinberg! You know you must not post such messages in the >clear! The whole world will now know what ZOG is doing. How can ZOG >infiltrate with such public confession going on? > >Besides, you do not yet own the official ZOG T-Shirt and are >therefore inelligible to reveal ZOG secrets. Ari Shavit knows better than you, dumb shit. ======== "In Our Hands" by Joseph Sobran One isn't supposed to say this, but many people believe that Israel now holds the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media in its hands. This is what is known as an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. The odd thing is that it is held by many Israelis. In an essay reprinted in the May 27th issue of The New York Times, Ari Shavit, an Israeli columnist, reflected sorrowfully on the wanton Israeli killing of more than 100 Lebanese civilians in April: "We killed them out of a certain naive hubris. Believing with absolute certitude that now, with the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media in our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our own..." In a single phrase -- "in our hands" -- Shavit has lighted up the American political landscape like a flash of lightning. Notice that Shavit assumes as an obvious fact what we Americans can say publicly only at our own risk. It's surprising, and refreshing, to find such candor in an American newspaper (though his essay was reprinted from the Israeli paper Haaretz). The prescribed cant on the subject holds that Israel is a "reliable ally" of the United States, despite Israel's long record of double-dealing against this country, ranging from the killing of American sailors to constant espionage and technology theft. The word "ally" implies that the relationship exists because it's in the interests of this country, though Israel's lobby is clearly devoted to the interests of Israel itself, and it's childish to suggest otherwise. You expect that from the Israeli lobby; lobbies are lobbies, after all. But it's unnerving that the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media should be "in our hands," as Shavit puts it. Bill Clinton, a lover of peace since his college days, raised no protest when the Israelis drove 400,000 innocent Lebanese out of their homes in "retaliation" for rockets launched into Israel (wounding one Israeli) by a faction over whom those 400,000 had no control. Congress, of course, was supine as usual at this latest extravagance of Israeli "defense." Congress too is "in our hands." A recent article in The Washington Post likened the Israel lobby's power to that of the gun and tobacco lobbies. But there is one enormous difference. Newspapers like the Post aren't afraid to criticize the gun and tobacco lobbies. They will say forthrightly that those lobbies seek goals that are dangerous for this country. They don't dare say as much of the Israeli lobby. But much of the press and electronic media are "in our hands" in a more active sense: They supply misleading pro-Israel propaganda in the guise of news and commentary, constantly praising Israeli "democracy" and ignoring Israel's mistreatment of its non-Jewish minorities -- mistreatment which, if any government inflicted it on a Jewish minority, would earn it the fierce opprobrium of our media. No decent American would think of reducing American Jews to the status of Palestinians in Israel. The idea is almost absurd. Yet Americans are taxed to subsidize the oppression of Palestinians, on the flimsy pretext that they are helping an "ally" in America's own self-interest to be hated and despised by the whole Muslim world. All this is interesting less for what it tells us about Israel than for what it tells us about America. Frank discussion of Israel is permitted in Israel, as Shavit's article illustrates. It's rarely permitted here. Charges of anti-Semitism and a quiet but very effective boycott will be the reward of any journalist who calls attention to his own government's -- and his own profession's -- servitude to Israeli interests. Very few in America are doing anything to change this sorry state of affairs. Shavit wrote his article in the desperate hope of turning back his countrymen and his government from a morally and politically perilous course. At least he can hope. It's harder for us, when our own government isn't in our hands. =========end============== From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:29 PST 1996 Article: 79904 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!gryphon.phoenix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: more quotes Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:24:25 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 177 Message-ID: <328c4e85.82502403@news.gte.net> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 What holohuggers are like
    What holohuggers are like

          The follow are examples of holohugger support of their private holocaust.

    Yale F. Edeiken

    • You are an amazing little animal, nazi boy. This might come as a schock to you but, by and large, Americans are quite happy with out country.
    • Still no answer. And not even true. By the way nazi boy, a Danish friend of has pointed out that Krieberg is not really a Danish name. If you nazi laws are put into effect, you might be one of those rounded up for a concentration camp.
    • The sales of collanders and tinfoil would go through the roof and claimants brandishing deeds to the Brooklyn Bridge would overwhem the courts.
      Only a bigoted idiot like Moran could have taken it seriously.
    • Sure, Matty poo. That's why you're posting uder your real name.
      Please do your nazi routine about your own country.
    Charles R.L. Power
    • It's understandable that being another brain-dead little Hitler-sucking Nazi-wannabe, you would sum up what I said as something I didn't say at all. Comprehension disorder seems to be a required qualification for getting into the denier club.
    Maurice Samuels
    • "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, p. 155).
    William C. Anderson
    • Good, Mr. Kreiberg. The mask is off. Will you now stop denying that you're a nazi?
    • Oh, Kurt... this is really sad. I mean, I knew you were a Nazi, but I used to think you were a smart Nazi.
    • Yes, this is true. Just the other day, I bought a product without the kosher stamp on it, and Mossad agents broke down my door and took the "kosher tax" anyway.
    Samuel Gringauz
    • Most of the memoirs and reports are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."
      Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65.
    Annie Alpert, OFB (Order of Fat Broad, don't ask me, she is proud of it)
    • Oh, ha ha! Jew-big-noses jokes! What a card you are!
    Mark Van Alstine
    • He will, as soon as his balls drop....
    • Ah, Herr Wankermeister! Still haven't got your rabies shot yet, eh? Pity. Oh, don't forget to wipe the foam off your chin... it's so unseemly.
    • Obviously, Herr Wankermeister is sharing whatever swill of the week the gonadotoxic Giwer-swine is guzzling. The fallacy of this particular denier lie has already been exposed by Mr. McCarthy or the duplicitous sham it is:
    Gord McFee
    • If you really care about Mr. Giwer, and are not just trolling here, read the record and get the man help. He is not well.
    Michael P. Stein
    • Does anyone else notice that the above paragraph is written in post-hooch Giwerundean? (But only early post-hooch Giwerundean.)
    Chuck Ferree
    • Hey aryan, I'm enclosing my two dollars toward your bus fare to where ever the hell you wanna go, pal. Just so long as you leave the United States of America, it'll be fine with me. And take your two natsie friends with ya. O.K. ?
    From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:30 PST 1996 Article: 79905 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!gryphon.phoenix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:24:32 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 26 Message-ID: <328c5255.83478475@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <55dqh0$klm@Networking.Stanford.EDU> <327d30de.8680278@news.demon.co.uk> <55ub8h$8s8@access5.digex.net> <847903293.2404.8@vertigo.combase.com> <328a539b.94218644@news.txdirect.net> <847981833.5832.0@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 04:31:43 -0500, Hardwire wrote: >Harry W. Mazal OBE wrote: >> >> On Wed, 13 Nov 1996 06:43:04 -0500, Hardwire >> wrote: >> >> >Michael P. Stein wrote: >> >> [text deleted for sanity] >> >> >Do you have evidence of Matt Giwer's mail-bombings or DON'T you? >> >> Good grief! The man is talking about himself in the third person. The >> Pope is the only other person that does this, but he has a good >> reason. >> > >Oh my.... Matt if you're out there watching I DO hope you're getting a >chuckle out of this one. And to think, people had the audacity to call >YOU delusional. Ha. People with names like Mazal can not be ver bright. But what do you expect from a holohugger? None of them ever leraned to think. From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:31 PST 1996 Article: 79906 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!gryphon.phoenix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Is Kreiberg a Fake Dane? Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:24:37 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 33 Message-ID: <328c5610.84432907@news.gte.net> References: <55u87s$d7b@news.enter.net> <328bc215.628197285@news.micron.net> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 01:10:07 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote: >On 8 Nov 1996 03:08:44 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: > >>> olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes: >>> In article <55p2p7$41d@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote: >> >>> > That's *your* standard. Others might have different ideas about >>> >johnny-come-lately phony Danes like you. >> >>> My standard is in line with other Danish patriots. >> >> Considering that you have informed us that the nazi scum of the NA are >>also "patriots," it probably a good supposition that the Danish "patriots" with which >>you associate could hold a convention in a telephone booth and not fill it up. >> >> My Danish informant tells me that that the tale about the origin of your >>name is as phony as a three dollar bill. Apparently it was quite common for >>immigrants to adopt names like those to cover up their real heritage during some >>local conflict in the middle of the 19th century. Good luck waiting for "repatriation" >>at the concentration camp when the other Danish "patriots" come for you. > >Here's Yale with more hypocritical bluster. Yale would sell America >out in a second for his Jewish buddies -- both here and in Israel. >Yale's another Jew-traitor, a worthless, pretentious dirtbag. How's >your hero Jonathan Pollard doin' these days, Yale? > >Kurt Stele YFE is a fraud American. He is really a Jew. His loyalites are with his fellow Jews. He is a stereotypical. lying jew. He follows the Protocols to the letter and then pretends to be an attorney. From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:32 PST 1996 Article: 79907 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!gryphon.phoenix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Tom Moran: "Revisionist" Wacko Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:24:14 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 19 Message-ID: <328c3796.76631689@news.gte.net> References: <328fe289.2406044@199.0.216.204> <56dp03$env@news.enter.net> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 14 Nov 1996 00:26:43 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: > >> > Other than the fact that this sentence is meaningless in the English >> >language, it once more show your lack of reading skills. It's not that you >haven't >> >a clue, l'il tommy, it's that you haven't a clue that you haven't a clue. > >> It means, Mr.Edeiken, that you have taken it on yourself to doubt >> any realities of the American Revolution and that you shouldn't find >> it so obnoxious that people doubt the Holocaust. > > You still don't have a clue, do you? > > --YFE You are a shyster. What would you know of a clue? From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:41:33 PST 1996 Article: 79912 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.nationalism.white Subject: Re: Whites Are Good Writers Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:47:01 GMT Organization: * Lines: 34 Message-ID: <56hao1$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <9zMN+OACjoYyEwUB@bebbo.demon.co.uk> <543vs3$gsa@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <545fu6$220@iannis.ircam.fr> <54q1lg$1bog@news.gate.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:91856 alt.revisionism:79912 soc.culture.israel:50083 soc.culture.europe:49428 alt.politics.nationalism.white:35958 schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <54q1lg$1bog@news.gate.net>, dli21@gate.net wrote: >> On 17 Oct 1996 16:30:30 +0200, fingerhu@iannis.ircam.fr (Michel >Fingerhut) wrote: >> >> >schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes about the problems of Giwer: >> >> >>posted/e-mailed to abuse@worldnet.att.net >> >> >I'd suggest to CC the following addresses: >> >> > Gardner, Pat, pegardner@ATTMAIL.COM (Billing Contact of ATT.NET) >> > Holland, William H., william.H.Holland@ATT.COM (Admin. Contact >for ATT) >> >> Why are you encouraging such false and malicious harrassment? >Well, Mr. Giwer, it doesn't really matter now, does it? > >worldnet.att.net kicked your sorry ass out. Just like netcom and combase. > >Pretty soon, gate.net will tire of your delusional behavior, and they'll >send you on your way as well. > >Threat? Not at all. It's a simple fact. Actually they said it was because of all the mailbombing and other forms of harrassment they were receiving from the holohuggers. But then all holohuggers are animals. They can not win with ideas so they turn criminal. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:41:33 PST 1996 Article: 79918 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news.magicnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-atl-21.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:47 GMT Organization: * Lines: 58 Message-ID: <56hb0v$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559u0o$1m2s@news.gate.net> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <327fdff5.15295167@news.demon.co.uk> <55vq3q$7ir@panix2.panix.com> <847587955.17669.0@perdrix.demon.co.uk> <7T9xRBAru6hyEwfJ@bebbo.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:91858 alt.revisionism:79918 Dene Bebbington wrote: >Fergus McClelland wrote: >>rakshasa@panix.com (Kevin Filan) wrote: >> >>>Fergus McClelland (redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk) wrote: >>> >>>: FORGERY: >>>: "The making of a thing in fraudulent imitation of something; >>>: especially, the forging, counterfeiting, or falsifying of a document" >>>: OED. >>>: Alow me to pursue this point. >>>: If you were to take one of your dollar notes and draw a moustache and >>>: spectacles on George Washington and even sign it "Sara the Prefect" >>>: this would not constitute forgery. You would of course be defacing the >>>: note but I am sure that, even in America, it would still be legal >>>: tender. >>> >>KEVIN PHILAN >>> Meanings are fluid; why don't you go to the OED and look up the >>>definitions for "spam" and "flame?" Ms. Schwartz's usage of the word >>>would be recognized as correct by any system administrator I know. >> >>You clot. >> A meaning is a meaning - by sheer definition of the word meaning. >>Perhaps there are many internet system administrators in the world who >>know the American internet slang meaning for flame and spam. But so >>what? I am talking about the specific meaning of forgery and it cannot >>be loosely applied. Interpreting words to suit yourself is dangerous. >>A policeman could come up to you in the street and tell you that >>something you had done was forgery and therefore arrests you. You >>would then want him to use the dictionary meaning of the word and >>apply it exactly. I am not talking about slang words - ask a lawyer >>the meaning of "Forgery", he will know precisely the meaning of the >>word. As far as I am concerned, if she said forgery I will take it >>that she meant forgery, no vague usage applied after the event. >This is the most pathetic evaasion I've seen on here for ages. Does the >OED state how good the forgery has to be in order to be called a >forgery? The fact that Giwer's forgeries were detected by those aware of >his methods, and who know about news headers, makes it no less a >"fraudulent imitation of something". You SILLY, STUPID TWIT! They were "detected" because I deliberately left my sig file the same. >If you were to try and counterfeit a currency note and pass it off in a >transaction, it would still be considered a forgery, even if it was a >bad one. And if the currency had prominantly stamped on it COUNTERFEIT? The only thing the entire exercise proved is that jews and their fellow holohuggers are lying little shit cowards. And if they are not lying little shit cowards then they are terminally stupid twits. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:41:34 PST 1996 Article: 79921 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,fl.general,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:15 GMT Organization: * Lines: 23 Message-ID: <56havv$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <327fdff5.15295167@news.demon.co.uk> <55p3bm$c8o@panix2.panix.com> <847307501.16749.6@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:91870 alt.revisionism:79921 Hardwire wrote: >Kevin Filan wrote: >> >> In _The Mass Psychology of Fascism_, Wilhelm Reich suggested a >> connection between sexual repression and fascism. Fascists, he suggested, >> invariably were prudish and misogynistic. Given the behavior evidenced by >> Alexander "Hopped-Up Cunt" Baron, Matt "Fat Broad" Giwer, and that nasty >> little electronic stool sample you just dropped into the middle of >> alt.revisionism, I submit Reich was on to something. >And I submit that you have a talent for posting totally irrellevant and >nonsensical bullshit. Actually the lying bitch at Cybergate was Thersa Israels. She of course lied to Donna Adams. And of course Ms. Israels is a fucking cunt of no worth in this world or the next. You may reach her at security@gate.net and of course please tell here where you got her addr. And please do as she is a liar. She even lied to Donna Adams of the same company. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:41:35 PST 1996 Article: 79927 of alt.revisionism From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: **************** G I W E R R U L E S *************************************************** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:19 GMT Organization: * Lines: 117 Message-ID: <56hb04$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <32798fa9.24153673@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!newsgate.cuhk.edu.hk!news.hk.net!news.emi.com!news.snip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote: >In <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com>, ccarp@concept.net (Chris >Carpenter) wrote: >>Late last night, while standing in the backyard, I heard >>a feindish, manical laughter comming from the direction of Tampa. >>I _ know_ it was Giwer! >>Look for a new iteration, an improved version of Giwer. He's >>got something up his sleve, >>You guys run him off for a couple of days and look what happened. >>Did you think he would not return? >>Giwer achieves his goals, I'm sure. >Ah, another "free speech advocate" endorses Matt Giwer's methods. Sorry about that. My "metnods" are only to keep this conference on the track fo revisionism and out of the control of attempted usurpring holohuggers who are not now and have never been welcome here. You holohuggers are NOT welcome here. You holohuggers are posting contrary to the purpose of this newsgroup. You holohuggers should go back to your soc.jewish,holocaust or whatever NG you came from. You are not welcome here. This is a revisionist conference. Can you not read the title? >At the height of his flooding alt.revisionism with reposts, Matt Giwer >wrote that he would try to make alt.revisionism unreadable until such >time as the debate was strictly on his terms. Only because you exterminationist bastards were attempting to take over a conference that is not yours and does not belong to you. You folks decided to spam this conference with your exterminationist BS. Come back and stop complaining when you have a revisionist position to discuss. >Matt Giwer is an ignorant, stupid man: ignorant of the history he >claims to debunk, and childishly stupid in his opinions. I say so >simply that you will know who it is you are so excited to support. I plead guilty to all of that. I also plead guilty to being the most hated by holohugger person that ever existed simply because I have posted the truth as I have seen it. I have been doubly hated because I have worked against you holohuggers for attempting to pervert this conference into a holohugger preserve. You holohuggers have no business here, period. This is for revisionism only. >Otherwise, who cares? His failure to dominate and control this >newsgroup was inevitable: no one, no matter how crazy, can set aside >enough energy to stick their fingers in his ears and yell >indefinitely. I have complete control of this conference any time I choose to dominate it in that I can make you holohugging assholes meaningless and thwart your attempts to usurp control of the conference dedicated to revisionism not huggery. Get the hell out of this conference and take your lying shysters and cowardly jews hiding behind the telephone and all the rest with you. Get out of this conference, you stupid jews and holohuggers. Get back to your own conference where us revisionists will not bother you. Now go away you silly people. > >From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism >Subject: Lets get this straight >Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:28:49 GMT >Organization: images incarnate >Lines: 13 >Message-ID: <4qb27c$oql@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> >NNTP-Posting-Host: tam-fl10-48.ix.netcom.com >X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Jun 20 3:30:36 AM CDT 1996 >X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 > I reserve the right to respond to any post that in any manner >mentions me in any manner. > I will continue to do so until this crap stops. > That is not a problem with me in the least. This can become a >spam conference as I control it (as has been publically acknowledged) >or it will get down to cases on my terms. > There is nothing in between. > I hope you folks come to understand this. > >"This can become a spam conference . . . or it will get down to cases >*on my terms*. There is nothing in bewteen." >Says it all, don't you think? Yes, it does, now go away before I taunt you again a third time. You silly holohuggers do not belong here. Now go away. This is not your conference. You are trying to steal it. I am taking it back. I will do that in any manner I see fit to keep the holohuggers from their usurpation of the revision discussion. But like any jew and their holohugging fellow travelers, they will continue to be here and claim it is their own, as would any thief. From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:37 PST 1996 Article: 79951 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: GrynSPAM is a wannabe. Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:07:55 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 80 Message-ID: <328d9277.33388468@news.gte.net> References: <326F388C.370C171D@vertigo.combase.com> <846863630.14477.1@vertigo.combase.com> <55dla3$56t@access5.digex.net> <847310772.16749.13@vertigo.combase.com> <55rdd7$6f2@access1.digex.net> <847334280.8623.4@vertigo.combase.com> <638_9611091214@tor250.org> <847908010.2404.20@vertigo.combase.com> <848106077.7315.0@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:02:28 -0500, Hardwire wrote: >Alec Grynspan wrote: >> >> <*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> >> <+[Re: More stupidity from the lips of Hardwire.] [13 Nov 96 08:01][*][0]*> >> >> >> If you became annoying enough to someone, he might simply >> >> killfile you. If you became excessively annoying, he might >> >> just nuke you via a UDP. >> >> H> How interesting.. Are you proposing an attack on my system now >> H> Grynspan? How becoming.... although useless.... but becoming >> H> none the less. >> >> Your knowledge of the mechanisms in USENET is in the realm of total >> ignorance. > > >USENET: Based on an older concept of UUCP for news delivery (in much the >same method as FidoNet) and Unix to Unix Copying. Replaced by the newer >(not that new) protocol NNTP (Network News Transfer Protocol). Very >much filled to the brim with assholes like GrynSPAM. > >> >> I said UDP, not the TSUNAMI trigger. >> > >TSUNAMI: An IRC war script designed to effectively to drown a user's IRC >client, and thus his system, with a barrage of messages. It's a >particularly nasty script to use/abuse. The typical approach to using >this involves starting several "clones" at once to invade a channel one >by one, and then when the time is right to have them all run the Tsunami >script at once thus ensuring that the target user is flooded from IRC. > >UDP: User Datagram Protocol. Simple, unreliable (unlike it's big >brother TCP). Whereas TCP does advanced error checking up to and >including sequence checking, and retransmission, UDP has no such >glamour. UDP packets use a simple checksum to determine the integrity >of the data received. Packets which fail their checksum are simply >discarded (likewise if the incoming queue overflows the "high-water" >mark). You should bill grynspam for the education. He has been in such need of it. And he pretends to know something when the best he can do is get his lacky Palestinian to do it for him or be fired. Programming knowledge is too much like manual labor. I have spent many hours on the phone with him. He always avoided any technical discussion and made very stupid responses when he could not avoid discussion. To summarize, he is a fraud as you have clearly demonstrated. >Ahem.... OK lesseeee. Usenet... yeah Gryn, I REALLY expected you to >infiltrate or even cripple my system via the Usenet... riiiiiggghhttt. > >Umm TSUNAMI.. sorry Gryn, try again please. I seldom get on IRC, and >even by some off chance if you found me there you'd have an ice cube's >chance in hell of getting past BitchX (modified, overhauled, mean mother >of an ircII 2.8 revision). > >Ok, now UDP. Nahhh sorry Gryn. I'd REALLY like to see you attempt >something so useless. Guess you're just not up on your RFC's huh? Why >not ICMP if anything? It's a more productive route. > >What am I SAYING??!!! This is GrynSPAM we're talking about... he >doesn't even know how to FLAME no less do something as mentally >challenging as compromising a system's security! > > You are a very, very amusing little man GrynSPAM. But he told me on the phone that he did wet-work for the Mossad, that he was a paid murderer. I am so quivering at the thought of having this camel turd upset with me. Excuse, that should have been sand-nigger. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:37 PST 1996 Article: 79952 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!news.sgi.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Giwer-Swine (tm) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:13:01 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 149 Message-ID: <328d9393.33671990@news.gte.net> References: <328cc5af.694665374@news.micron.net> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 08:30:18 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article , karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles >R.L. Power) wrote: > >> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: >> >> >This is the best the Smallstine shaman can do. And he thinks it >> >works. The sad fool. >> >> I agree. Mark thinks he can show Holocaust deniers to be idiots and >> bigots, but you do a better job of this than he could ever hope to do. > >I am deservedly chastized. I humble myself. It _was_ foolish of me to >think that I could better demonstrate how idotic and bigoted deniers are >than they could themselves. > >I shall immediately do penance for my hubris: > >For those interested in proof of Mr. Smith's (aka "Kurt Stele") rabid >anti-Semitism, pathological Nazi apologia, and that he possses an IQ of a >fence post (not to mention a sewer mouth) please visit: > >http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/s/stele.kurt >http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/s/smith.brian.r > >The gonadotoxic Giwer-swine (tm) is, as far as I can determine, a craven >anti-Semitic and racist troller whose only interest is in slandering Jews >and causing fights. He has profusely and consistantly lied about what has >been said in exchanges (while accusing others of lying); refused to >document claims; pretended not to see posts which contain documented >refutation of his claims (even when they have been emailed to him); >engaged in actual libel; blatant and offensive anti-Semitism; Nazi >apologia, crude sexism, prolifically abused the 'Net, sent e-mailbombs, >and harrassed people via e-mail; forged posts; and has generally conducted >himself with such a complete lack of moral, intellectual, and factual >integrity that there seems to be no point in taking the time to read and >respond to such a perverted animal. For detailed and documented evidence >of this, please refer to > >http://www.nizkor.org/encouragements/giwer.html >http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/ > >http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt >http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/antisemite >http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/lies >http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/c-word >http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/fatbroad >http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse >http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/email > I was attempting to make direct contact with HATEWATCH.ORG as they are in violation of my son's copyright and thus in violation of US and international law. I looked up your record and found the first part of the following message. I then emailed root and the network (GTE) informs me it can not even find the organiztion. Apparently there is either something wrong with your records or with the information that was provided to you. You may wish to look into this and correct your records or whatever other action is appropriate. ===== HateWatch (HATEWATCH-DOM) 135 S. Washington - Second Floor Suite HW Tiffin, OH 44883-2841 US Domain Name: HATEWATCH.ORG Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact, Billing Contact: Erbland, Karl S. (KSE) karl@KSME.NET (419)448-0100 ext. 5 Record last updated on 08-Oct-96. Record created on 08-Oct-96. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.SIMS.NET 199.250.205.9 NS2.SIMS.NET 199.250.205.8 The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.gte.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AutoCF) via internal id CAA21073; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 02:43:54 -0600 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 02:43:54 -0600 From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: ksme.net: host not found) Message-Id: <199611160843.CAA21073@mail.gte.net> To: The original message was received at Sat, 16 Nov 1996 02:43:50 -0600 >from tpm228004.gte.net [207.115.228.4] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: ksme.net: host not found) ----- Original message follows ----- Received: from LOCALNAME (tpm228004.gte.net [207.115.228.4]) by mail.gte.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AutoCF) via SMTP id CAA21061 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 02:43:50 -0600 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 02:43:50 -0600 Message-Id: <199611160843.CAA21061@mail.gte.net> X-Sender: mgiwer@gte.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: karl@KSME.NET From: Matt Giwer Subject: BTW >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 05:39:40 >To: root@hatewatch.org >From: Matt Giwer >Subject: BTW >Bcc: rev, revision > > That picture you are carrying of me ... My son has advised that since he took the picture his copyright is inviolate and that you and Harvard are deliberately and willfully violating that copyright. > > It is a minor point but Harvard does have deep pockets even if you do not. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:41:38 PST 1996 Article: 79965 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars... Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 00:49:12 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 183 Message-ID: <328e5ed8.85708759@news.gte.net> References: <54tpti$ism@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <550fto$bog@juliana.sprynet.com> <56haos$hqb@news3.gte.net> <328d7a0a.740843753@news.micron.net> <328DC3D7.72CE@rio.com> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 13:38:31 +0000, Chuck Ferree wrote: >Chuck Ferree submits the following Historical Facts for the lil >natsiewannabe turd. stele. aka several other lil natsiewannabe turds > >This is proof. stele offers opinions. Opinions don't count. Chuckle Fairy, this is an excellent description of things that only an amateur could imagine about crematorium operation. Anyone who was actually familiar with operations would never say things like this. You are to be thanked for posting this as it constitutes solid evidence that the writer is making it up. >Auschwitz: > Crematoria > > [ Previous | Index | Next ] > > > >Konnilyn Feig provides an overview of the operation of the crematoria, >and describes the process >by which the stoking gangs sorted bodies into combustability >catagories as the result of earlier >experiments by the SS staff to reduce fuel consumption. In this >effort, they had the assistance of the >firm of Topf and Sons, who had built the crematoria. (See >auschwitz/auschwitz.01) > >In essence, well-nourished corpses were burned with emaciated ones in >order to determine the most >efficient combination. Three to four bodies were burned at a time, and >different kinds of coke were >used, then the results were recorded: > > Afterwards, all corpses were divided into the above-mentioned >catagories, the > criterion being the amount of coke required to reduce them to >ashes. Thus it was > decreed that the most economical and fuel-saving procedure >would be to burn the > bodies of a well-nourished man and an emaciated woman, or vice >versa, together > with that of a child, because, as the experiments had >established, in this > combination, once they had caught fire, the dead would continue >to burn without > any further coke being required. ( Müller, 60-61; Klarsfield, >99-100) > >The need for large-scale efficiency, to cope with the astounding >number of corpses produced by the >gas chambers, eventually led to the design and construction of new >crematoria, and daily capacity >rose from as low as six hundred forty eight per day ( Müller's 1942 >figure) to a high of over ten >thousand ( Höss, Gricksch), but, as Feig tells us, the SS eventually >had to employ large pyres and >pits to dispose of the mounting pile of corpses: > > As early as June 13, 1943, all was not well with the new >installation. ... > Eventually the ovens seemed to fall apart. Crematorium Four >failed completely > after a short time and Crematoria Five had to be shut down >repeatedly. (TWC, > V:624) (Between 1945 and 1962 Polish officials found five >manuscripts written by > Sonderkommando members before their deaths. The published >manuscripts and > documents relate to the specific process of extermination at >Birkenau, and provide > detailed descriptions of the crematoria and gas chambers.) > > The scientifically planned crematoria should have been able to >handle the total > project, but they could not. The whole complex had forty-six >retorts, each with the > capacity for three to five persons. The burning in a retort >lasted about half an hour. > It took an hour a day to clean them out. Thus it was >theoretically possible to > cremate about 12,000 corpses in twenty four hours or 4,380,000 >a year. > > But the well-constructed crematoria fell far behind at a number >of camps, and > especially at Auschwitz in 1944. In August the total cremation >reached a peak one > day of 24,000, but still a bottleneck occurred. Camp >authorities needed an > economic and fast method of corpse disposal, so they again dug >six huge pits > beside Crematorium Five and reopened old pits in the wood. > > Thus, late in 1944, pit burning became the chief method of >corpse disposal. The > pits had indentations at one end from which human fat drained >off. To keep the > pits burning, the stokers poured oil, alcohol, and large >quantities of boiling human > fat over the bodies. > > > > [ Previous | Index | Next ] > > > >The Nizkor Project >webmaster@nizkor.org >HTML: Hilary Ostrov >Director: Ken McVay OBC >Search Nizkor >Financial Support > >September 22, 1996 > >Copyright © 1993-1996 Ken McVay > > > > >Kurt Stele wrote: >> >> On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:47:27 GMT, *@*.* (* *) wrote: >> >> >100644.317@compuserve.com (Miloslav Bilik) wrote: >> > >> >>dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: >> > >> >>>Andrew Allen "ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa)" writes: >> > >> >>>Wood and petrol refuse were needed to burn the corpses >> >>>in the ditches. It's hard to tell just how much was used, >> >>>and, it is possible that this method was more efficient >> >>>than cremations. But we know that the crematoriums, because >> >>>of the continuous cremation, required a relatively small >> >>>amount of coke (see >> >>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/ >> >>>Coke_Consumption.jpg). >> > >> >>>It's hard to tell; maybe it was more efficient to use >> >>>pyres in Auschwitz. So, it will prove that the SS wasn't >> >>>absolutely and completely one-hundred-percent efficient. >> > >> > Unfortunately you are making this up as you go along. >> >> Their stories make no sense and when asked about them: "oh, the Nazis >> were dumb. Crazy. Inefficient. Yeah. Yeah, that's it." >> >> >>The hald-decomposed corpses burned without fuel or almost with only a >> >>few. Then when the first graves were emptied, they alterned old and >> >>fat corpses (not "old women".. what an ashaming misunderstanding) with >> >>anothers. >> > >> > Sorry but if the bodies are decomposing then they still have the water in them >> >that requires the fuel. Dehydration that would require less fuel would also >> >stop the decomposition process. >> > >> >>When the graves were empty, the situation became different. With >> >>recent corpses, fuel, wood, became necessary. You have the same >> >>difference in Birkenau. Before and after the building of the cremas. >> > >> > A fallacious creation on your part and not in any part of the literature. >> >> "Holocausting": the art of making up the story as one goes along. So >> much of what the Nizkooks write consists of this. Some of it gets >> quite creative. >> >> Kurt Stele >> >> "[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are >true personal accounts of Holocaust Survivors, eyewitness, whose >testimony is much better than any opinions expressed by lying deniers. > >Chuck ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:41:39 PST 1996 Article: 79967 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: That old National Alliance Two-Step Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 04:08:37 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 130 Message-ID: <328e85c3.95671660@news.gte.net> References: <846253997$6233@atype.com> <847868583$15570@atype.com> <848080085$26679@atype.com> <56jeq7$6o@is05.micron.net> <56l828$t7a@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 16 Nov 1996 20:26:48 GMT, brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon) wrote: >In article <56jeq7$6o@is05.micron.net>, Brian Smith wrote: >[snip] > >>McVay you're as lame as they get. They found quite a shabbos goy when >>Nizkook hired you on didn't they? > >_HIRED_ him? Are you nuts? > >He bloody well founded nizkor, you bonehead. That is so far an unproven assertion. The best that has been posted here it quite to the contrary that anything was "founded." "Started" is about the best that can be said of it from what has been posted. Nizkor is a URL hosted by island.net and a mail drop. It does not act like a responsible organization and certainly has no professional standing, simply grand pretentions to what it is not. As for its history, that is rather clear. He originally posted >from oneb systems that was part of milnet. Despite fevered denials of this connection to the US military, an archive search on his name finds many of his original posts with oneb as the email address. It has not been determined exactly what it is he and they are attempting to hide. As he was originally posting from his DOD access system, the use to which he put it was either approved or unauthorized. Thus he was either approved by the US Department of Defense to host Nizkor on the DOD machine or he was misusing US government property in doing so. Either way, he is not to be trusted. And of course as he does not have tax exempt status (else where is the tax number?) it is unclear that nizkor is anything more than a URL on island.net and a mail drop. >>I heard when Ernst Zundel showed up at your "house" for an inteview he >>simply found a drop-box. > >Ahh yes, Ernst, the same fellow who believes in NAzi UFOs. And of course that was nothing out of the ordinary in the year he was promoting the idea. And, yes, the idea was seriously investigated by the USAF in the late 1940s. Sounds like he was in pretty good company at the time. But folks like you who are so ignorant of modern history, probably weren't eve born yet, prefer to ridicule a man who has accomplished more in his years than you are ever likely to accomplish. >Intersting company you Nazis keep. Between you, moran, >zundel, and Matty "163 IQ" Giwer, i think you guys have >cornered the market on loons and liars. For someone who has never heard of AIPAC you have little room to speak of others. However, NONE of this gets us off of the subject that McVay has no public address and operates out of a mail drop. That is not a reputable thing to do. Nor can I imagine it is a possible thing for a self-proclaimed tax exempt organization under the laws of Canada. So anyone wanting to find the real "nizkor" need simply request the public information from the B.C. revenue office. Now what I expect is that it will not be listed under that name but rather under an unrelated name and that nizkor will only be found as a DBA. And of course to finding that would require hiring someone locally to go over thousands of files to find the parent organization. It is not clear why the organization has gone to such lengths to hide from the public. ===== Whois Ken McVay? === McVay, Kenneth (KM1343) kmcvay@NIZKOR.ALMANAC.BC.CA 462 - 1150 North Terminal Avenue Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8 CA 1-604-382-0615 Record last updated on 18-Jul-96. The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. ===== The following was deleted from nic.ddn.mil some time between 17 July 1996 and 19 August 1996. However, as of 19 August 1996 the email address still worked. It was originally captured on 17 July 1996. It disppeared just prior to a 256 copy mailbomb from gryn.org saying that it was false information. The owner of gryn.org, Alec Grynspan, openly brags about having been in the Mossad, i.e. Israeli intelligence. === McVay, Ken (KM214) 1B Systems Management Limited 5-1601 Bowen Road Nanaimo, British Columbia V9S 1G7 CA (604) 758-2499 kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.CA Record last updated on 02-Apr-96. Please be advised that this whois server only contains DOD Information. All INTERNET Domain, IP Network Number, and ASN records are kept in the Internet Registry, RS.INTERNIC.NET. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:41:40 PST 1996 Article: 79981 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.texoma.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: A case for Human Rights people? Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:41 GMT Organization: * Lines: 21 Message-ID: <56hb0p$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <55rqde$o5u@news.enter.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes: >> Goering spent time (a lot of it) in a sanitorium for morphine addiction. He >> was also a cross-dresser, which has been documented by many people. > Goering was not only addicted to "controlled substances" but he had his >own "designer drug" developed to keep him stable during withdrawal. It is called >"apomorphine." The drug was the last time I looked still available as it has certain >legitimate and illegimate veterinary uses. And this is the kind of crap we get from the wannabe attorney. A designer drug available to "nazis" 40 years before the rest of the world discovered them. And we are supposed to take idiots like YFE seriously. Only a holohugger could do so. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:41:40 PST 1996 Article: 79982 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Can't Read English Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:36 GMT Organization: * Lines: 30 Message-ID: <56hb0k$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <556fks$119o@news.gate.net> <556ied$ber@news.enter.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote: ><*[*] [*] [Yale F. Edeiken] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> ><+[Re: The Criminal Giwer Can't Read English] [29 Oct 96 22:35][*][0]*> > YE> The criminal Giwer claims, of course, that he is not an > YE> anti-Semite. Strange how he fits in so well with most of the > YE> other "revisionists' around here. >I'm sorry, but even though Matt has committed criminal acts, he is >not a criminal. What is this? A touch of honesty in your old age? You have lied about me so many times in the last few months, it is amazing that for once you would tell the jew truth. >It is true thruout North America that a person must be mentally >competent to be considered a criminal and Matt does not fit that >category. Ah, but now you revert to your truie jew self in lying about me. Even though you know you are lying and have lied and are continuing to lie. You know you arraigned for a Christmas phonecall between me and Charlen. But now I see it was merely a jew ploy so that you could pretend to be me friend and later stab me in the back as you are now doing. What a murdering jew!!! From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:41:41 PST 1996 Article: 79983 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: ihr8 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:24 GMT Organization: * Lines: 25 Message-ID: <56hauc$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ======== Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Another gas chamber From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:52:14 GMT Guess what? I found a gas chamber in the old Reich. I have also found powdered cyanide. "Inside the showerbath [ at Dachau]- the gas vents. On the ceiling- the dummy shower heads. In the engineers' room- the intake and outlet pipes. Push buttons to control inflow and outtake of gas. A hand-valve to regulate pressure. Cyanide powder was used to generate the lethal smoke. From the gas chamber, the bodies were removed to the crematory." IMT XXX - p.470. Amazing what you can find if you look around. And holohuggers are going to believe it. From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:41:42 PST 1996 Article: 79987 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 7.25 million = 19,900 a day Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 04:25:26 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 10 Message-ID: <328e9371.99173513@news.gte.net> References: <328dc016.344709@199.0.216.204> <3297cbda.3357070@199.0.216.204> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 14:16:25 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote: > Considering the correction, it would be 47 people a minute on >average entering into the museum, just short of one person per second. It is amazing how quickly they can sell tickets. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:41:43 PST 1996 Article: 79989 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.bonehead.matt-giwer Subject: Re: Killfile mgiwer@gte.net (was Re: keyboards aren't kosher) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 00:29:40 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 23 Message-ID: <328e5b24.84760644@news.gte.net> References: <55pgus$6mj@news1.gte.net> <32806C06.6C6C@ix.netcom.com> <847313943.23380.6@vertigo.combase.com> <32810502.756@rio.com> <847907114.2404.15@vertigo.combase.com> <3289DB72.3695@rio.com><55pgus$6mj@news1.gte.net> <32806C06.6C6C@ix.netcom.com> <847313943.23380.6@vertigo.combase.com> <32810502.756@rio.com> <847907114.2404.15@vertigo.combase.com> <3289DB72.3695@rio.com> <847982864.5832.4@vertigo.combase.com> <56hsbi$rhu$3@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:79989 alt.bonehead.matt-giwer:646 On 15 Nov 1996 13:48:34 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote: >In message <847982864.5832.4@vertigo.combase.com> - Hardwire >Thu, 14 Nov 1996 04:48:54 -0500 writes: >:> > >:>> I won't tell anyone....are you really giwer? Shhh-whisper. >:> >:>Attention all: The Chuckle Fairy has gone OVER the deep end. He's gone >:>and he's NOT coming back. He's lost it. >:> >:>(This public service announcement brought to you by the letter K and the >:>number 9.) > >He's really got your goat, hasn't he Mattie? > >BTW, you lost again. You are very silly, McFly. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:44 PST 1996 Article: 79993 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Jewish Influence on Revisionist Theory Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:28:06 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 25 Message-ID: <328d9682.34423255@news.gte.net> References: <19961115222900.RAA00921@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 15 Nov 1996 22:26:42 GMT, rchrdsorge@aol.com wrote: >In the past, when an oppresive government sought to discredit a dissident >group, it would send in an agent provocateur to incite others to act >foolishly, as by tossing a bomb. We see today those who toss rhetorical >bombs - holocaust denial -with suspect effect. Who are these people, >really? Fallacious connection of opposites does not make a connection. Pointing out there is no physical evidence of gassing does not make a connection. Pointing out that Jews control Hollywood does not make the connection. Pointing out that Jews control the media does not make the connection. Why are you trying this half-hearted and rather illterate attempt to make a point that has already been disregarded? ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:41:45 PST 1996 Article: 79998 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: really amazing Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 04:09:40 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 24 Message-ID: <328e8ff3.98279993@news.gte.net> References: <328d9761.34645756@news.gte.net> <328e2f54.44712451@news.micron.net> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 21:18:02 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote: >On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:31:02 GMT, pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) wrote: > >> As Marduk, the self identified jew, said on my phone today, I >>should be afraid for my son. >> >> What a Jew! What a netcom canada employee. >> >> Are all jews really like this jew? >> >>===== >>http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html >>http://www.codoh.com/ > >Marduk is the sort of Jew which makes people wish the Holofraud was >true. Well said and quite true. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:45 PST 1996 Article: 80000 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:04:36 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 53 Message-ID: <328d3c41.11318284@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <55dqh0$klm@Networking.Stanford.EDU> <327d30de.8680278@news.demon.co.uk> <55ub8h$8s8@access5.digex.net> <847903293.2404.8@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 15 Nov 96 10:37:42, alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote: ><*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> ><+[Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help] [13 Nov 96 >06:43][*][0]*> > > >> Perhaps you will someday present evidence that this is how > >> ISPs operate rather than just making it up as you go. > > H> Why? You seem to make up the evidence purportedly received FROM > H> them as you go, why shouldn't I join in the folly? > >Nope - there's no need to. > > > H> It's ALWAYS that isn't it? How did you find out this > H> information? Hmmm... please, tell us who gave it to you so we > H> can have them canned by their employer for releasing private > H> information. > >What "private" information? > > >> > They would hardly present the "good" > >> > things that he wrote would they? > >> > >> Perhaps you'd like to list one. > > H> Perhaps you aren't too familiar with his Web Page then I guess? > >IOW - nothing. A very pathetic web page. Never figured out HTML, right? > >> No, Netcom has sendmail logs and can determine if the > >> message in question was indeed sent from their system by Matt > >> Giwer. In any event, > > H> Again with the evidence claims... and WHERE IS the evidence??? > >Netcom was satisfied. Why the shorts in a knot? Hmmmm? But where were the logs of the messages from McVay himself requesting the information be sent? But that was not the instance that caused the problem. It was the mailbombs and harrassing phone calls NETCOM was receiving. In other words more jewish and holohugger harrassment. But you know that as you were part of it. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:41:46 PST 1996 Article: 80007 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!wizard.pn.com!news1.channel1.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 7.25 million = 19,900 a day Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 04:18:45 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 63 Message-ID: <328e909e.98450151@news.gte.net> References: <328dc016.344709@199.0.216.204> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 13:23:35 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote: > > From "Russians transfer archives to USHMM" posted by McVay of >Nizkor. > > "Their museum,[U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum] founded in 1980 by >an act of Congress, aims to promote an understanding of the Holocaust >and to serve as a memorial to its victims. The museum receives some >7.25 million visitors annually, 80 percent of them non-Jewish." > >-- >Nizkor Canada | http://www.nizkor.org >kmcvay@nizkor.org >================================================================== > > 7,250,000 a year divided by 363 days = 19,900 a day. (Museum >closed Yom Kippur and Christmas) > > 19,800 a day, divided by 8 1/2 hours = 2,300 an hour. (Hours, >10:00 to 5:30) > > Considering off seasons and peak seasons, we could imagine on >some days it would be 10,000 a day in off season and 40,000 a day at >peak season. > > Considering off hours like when it first opens up and when it is >nearing closing hours we might get the idea 19,900 would be further >squeezed into 8 hours, giving us 2,500 an hour, 40 people a minute, or >2 people every 3 seconds. > > Surely we might get the idea that the people would stay for at >least an hour, which would put over 2,000 people in the building at >any given time, for the over all average, and over 4,000 during peak >times. > > Perhaps more people arrive on weekends, in which case we could >ball park a number like 50,000 a day, almost 6,000 an hour. > > Whatever, just using the numbers McVay offers and the base time >factors, we can imagine a steady stream of vistors flowing generally >from the Mall area towards the museum and a steady stream flowing away >from it. A continuous mass migration. That is almost as good as the Nazi crematoria. However, perhaps it should be reported to the DC fire department. If it is 6000 per hour then there are 6000 people in it on average at all times. It would be interesting to see its occupancy permit allows that many people in the building at one time. A fire would certainly be disasterous if they are exceeding capacity. On the other hand, if every person had 10 square feet that would give the building an exhibit square footage of 60,000 square feet., over an acre. It really doesn't look that big from the pictures, considering there would be offices and storage taking up a large part of the building. Perhaps it is rather more like the Tardis. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From email@add.ress Tue Nov 19 06:41:47 PST 1996 Article: 80010 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: email@add.ress (Full Name) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Ediken is his lawyer, he sells used cars. Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:56:40 GMT Organization: Organization Lines: 54 Message-ID: <328eb251.105757153@news.gte.net> References: <328e293b.43151130@news.micron.net> <56l909$dj8@news.enter.net> Reply-To: email@add.ress NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228214.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 16 Nov 1996 20:42:49 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: > > >> Aw, poor little Yalie-poo. Tsk tsk. What are the damages? The >> emotional distress of having your own family laughing at you? > > No damages are required in a criminal case, nazi. Report me to the police, jewboy. You have already said you are not going to do that, that you prefer to continue lying in public and bearing false witness to others like a good jew. >> > Not only is it obscene under the law, but taken with the criminal Giwer's >> >others harassment, it constituted a hate crime. > >> Yale wants to prosecute "I'm tired of your shit, fuck off" as a "hate >> crime." What a Jew. > > Actually it was the e-mail addressed to "Dear Jerkoo Jew" that so >qualifies. Another lie. A lying jew to the end. And too cowardly to call the police and report me (OR do you prefer the FBI?) Just too afraid of the ridicule and laughter your meager little complaint with be met with. In your best whining voice "He told me to fuck off. Stop him before he turns me into a lampshade." >> Why don't you sue me for that one too, Yale? > > Becasue you would plead that you are too mentally incompetent to >stand trial. P.S. Why don't you learn the difference between a criminal charge and >a civil matter. What the criminal Giwer did was a crime. That is why you are too cowardly to do your duty as an officer of the court and report the crime. Come on you cowardly jew, report the crime. Be a Mensch for once in your life. That is, a breach of >peace and an offense against the state as a whole. They would handle any >prosecution of the criminla Giwer. All I would do would be sit in the back of the >courtroom and smirk as the criminal Giwer tried to weasel on the stand. Slovenly little jew coward. Report the crime if you have any balls. Come on, jewboy, report the crime. And while you are at it, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off. Is that clear enough you little nazi jew. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ "History, as usual, will tell lies." GBS From email@add.ress Tue Nov 19 06:41:48 PST 1996 Article: 80011 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: email@add.ress (Full Name) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: keyboards aren't kosher Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:56:44 GMT Organization: Organization Lines: 20 Message-ID: <328eac60.104235676@news.gte.net> References: <55pgus$6mj@news1.gte.net> Reply-To: email@add.ress NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228214.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 18:56:03 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <55pgus$6mj@news1.gte.net>, *@*.* wrote: > >> They are finished with pig fat added to the polymer coating > >And how many people EAT keyboard, Mr. Giwer?! The aluminum foil was explained by "whatever comes into contact with food" as you recall. People come into contact with food. People come into contact with keyboards. And if someone unclean comes into contact with the food and the superstitious find out about it, they curl up in a ball and die. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ "History, as usual, will tell lies." GBS From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:48 PST 1996 Article: 80020 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news.axionet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: **************** G I W E R R U L E S *************************************************** Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 06:20:41 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 30 Message-ID: <328d5ca2.19607071@news.gte.net> References: <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <32798fa9.24153673@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <56hb04$hqb@news3.gte.net> <328cc23c.11076504@news.spry.com> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:24:56 GMT, klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote: >On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:19 GMT, *@*.* (* *) wrote: > >>jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote: > >>>Matt Giwer is an ignorant, stupid man: ignorant of the history he >>>claims to debunk, and childishly stupid in his opinions. I say so >>>simply that you will know who it is you are so excited to support. > >> I plead guilty to all of that. > >Matt, this is probably the first honest thing you have ever said >in this conference and I am happy to see you admit that you are >an ignorant stupid man; ignorant of the history you claim to >debunk and childishly stupid in your opinions. And it is good to see that you, as a holohugger, give one more example of you willingness to lie and decieve by such editting. Holohuggers are a very mendacious lot, lacking in any kind of honesty or integrity. And here you demonstrate one more time what lying little shits the holohuggers really are. But then, most of you are jewish so that is most likely redundant. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:41:49 PST 1996 Article: 80023 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!news.nstn.ca!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!news.sgi.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,fl.general,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:31:48 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 15 Message-ID: <328da5d9.38350063@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559u0o$1m2s@news.gate.net> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <56har6$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:92052 alt.revisionism:80023 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:10:14 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <56har6$hqb@news3.gte.net>, *@*.* wrote: > >> >> Rather a silly little bitch promoting a jew agenda. > >welcome back, Mr. Giwer. I see you're as polite as always. As always, Schwatze. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:50 PST 1996 Article: 80028 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.correct,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.jewish,alt.discrimination Subject: Re: Boycott NIGGER Athletes, Now! Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:40:24 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 40 Message-ID: <328d9895.34953885@news.gte.net> References: <19961115140917.LAA88289@ladder01.news.aol.com> <328d276a.17094898@news.txdirect.net> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.conspiracy:110695 alt.revisionism:80028 alt.politics.correct:156120 soc.culture.african.american:130446 soc.culture.jewish:92057 alt.discrimination:56264 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 02:44:24 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote: >On 15 Nov 1996 14:09:17 GMT, MacOyVay@aol.com wrote: > >[previous posting deleted] > >[Verbal Excreta by unowho deleted] > >>Oh, and by the way... Chuck Ferree didn't >>seem to enjoy my last posting... [racist drivel deleted]...wouldn't you just love to >>know which politically correct company I work for? But, >>fortunately for me, AOL doesn't give out real names. Tough, >>Chuckie! > >The dreadful drunk from Tampa thinks he is fooling someone. It is apparent that self identified Jews such as yourself, and since you are a knowing and willful liar you are not a jew but a kike. You alcoholic kikes have such a social intolerance of drinking that you kikes can not admit it. You think it means something to people outside of your kike world and mentality. But let me explain to you, it does not. It is a meaningless allegation. Keep in mind my first wife tried to claim that pictures of dozens of bottles of Mogen David wine were mine. I never drank that sweet shit. But you kikes apparently love it. But keep in mind you are not a jew but a kike. A living stereotype of the worst stereotype of a jew. Give it up, kike. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From email@add.ress Tue Nov 19 06:41:51 PST 1996 Article: 80039 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: email@add.ress (Full Name) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: **************** G I W E R R U L E S *************************************************** Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:56:46 GMT Organization: Organization Lines: 25 Message-ID: <328eade2.104621579@news.gte.net> References: <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <32798fa9.24153673@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <56hb04$hqb@news3.gte.net> <328c42b7.52677558@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <56m85j$ea6@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il> Reply-To: email@add.ress NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228214.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 17 Nov 1996 05:34:43 GMT, schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il (Richard Schultz) wrote: >John Morris (John.Morris@UAlberta.CA) wrote: > >: All that you have proved--all thet you will ever prove by dumping on >: this newsgroup--is that you are a weak, frightened little man. > >You left out "pathetic." As I (inter alia) said a long time ago, >Giwer's primary motivation seems to be a childish desire to be the center >of attention, regardless of the form that that attention takes. His >recent habit of calling himself "*@*.*" in order to defeat attempts to >killfile him shows it about as clearly as anything else he's done here. Ah, yes, you are the one who lies about chemistry to preserve you favorite holocaust stories. And now you lie about why I change the name regularly. Are you trying to live up to the jewish stereotype by continuing to lie? Or are you mindreading again? ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ "History, as usual, will tell lies." GBS From email@add.ress Tue Nov 19 06:41:52 PST 1996 Article: 80040 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news1.hotstar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: email@add.ress (Full Name) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Ediken is his lawyer. He sells used cars Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:56:36 GMT Organization: Organization Lines: 90 Message-ID: <328eb232.105725571@news.gte.net> References: <56haq0$hqb@news3.gte.net> <56jhue$sp8@news.enter.net> <328e293b.43151130@news.micron.net> Reply-To: email@add.ress NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228214.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 21:08:19 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote: >On 16 Nov 1996 05:03:10 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: > >>> *@*.* (* *) writes: >>> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> >>> > Let us not forget that paradigm of civility that you mailed to me and my >>> >family Matty poo: > >>> > "I am tired of your shit. Fuck off." > >Aw, poor little Yalie-poo. Tsk tsk. What are the damages? The >emotional distress of having your own family laughing at you? He is like the stereotypical jew boy in a bow tie from NYC. One day his mother is boiling his shirts and the next day he is out in the real world confronted by the F word. And then like the stereotypical JEW he LIES and LIES and LIES again in stating that it was sent to him AND HIS FAMILY. Do you know anyone but a JEW who would deliberately lie like that? Can you imagine anyone but a JEW having the chutzpah to continue to repeat the AND MY FAMILY lie? He is clearly a lying JEW shyster and continues to lie even when caught red-handed. He must have learned that in "holocaust promotion school" as it is the same technique holobuggers use. No matter how obvious the they are caught in, repeat the lie again and again. How very, very jewish. >>> > Maybe somone was just speaking to you in a language you can >>> >understand. >> >>> Finally the lying bastard shyster admits what he claimed was obscene. It >>is not >>> as though this worthless piece of shit YFE is honest nor that he has integrity, >>> he is a lawyer. We need only talk best price for someone like this. >> >> It is both obscene and actionable as such. > >Do something about it, whining bluffing crybaby shit dirtbag Jew >lawyer. No one but a jew could be so low. >>> What and "obscene" message this lying bastard was sent. >> >> Not only is it obscene under the law, but taken with the criminal Giwer's >>others harassment, it constituted a hate crime. > >Yale wants to prosecute "I'm tired of your shit, fuck off" as a "hate >crime." What a Jew. He had to work in his hate crime some day. And still he LIES by implication about what constitutes a hate crime. It is all so very, very jewish. And of course like a jew he called netcom and repeated this lie to them. Bearing false witness is a tradition among jews. The law does not apply when such things are done to Gentiles as YFE is proving. Jews are so, how do you say, jewish? >>> And this clown pretends it was to his family? >> >> >> Not pretends, states as a fact. >> >> >> The criminal Giwer remains a criminal. >> >> --YFE > >You remain only a bluffing whining stereotypical Jew lawyer. > >Take your Orwellian 'hate crime" and stick it straight up your crybaby >Jew-ass. > >Why don't you sue me for that one too, Yale? He must have gone to Harvard and gotten his shit education from them. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ "History, as usual, will tell lies." GBS From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:41:53 PST 1996 Article: 80041 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:47:30 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 104 Message-ID: <328e644d.87105777@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559u0o$1m2s@news.gate.net> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <55dqh0$klm@Networking.Stanford.EDU> <327d30de.8680278@news.demon.co.uk> <847905148.2404.11@vertigo.combase.com> <3295a281.8973673@news.demon.co.uk> <2ghCdWASmZjyEw9w@bebbo.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:38:10 +0000, Dene Bebbington wrote: >Fergus McClelland wrote: >>Hardwire wrote: >> >>>Dene Bebbington wrote: >>> >>>> He was only identified by those aware of him and his silly tactics. When >>>> he masquerades as other posts (such as Ken McVay) then this is >>>> unacceptable, and whilst regulars may be wise to his antics, many other >>>> readers of this newsgroup may not. >>>> >>Hardwire >>>He was identified because he clearly intended the posts to be seen as a >>>joke and a slur on the people posting to this newsgroup. First and >>>foremost the tip-off was that he included his OWN signature file with >>>the posts. He wasn't attempting to post forgeries, he was attempting to >>>be satirical... or course the effect was totally lost on the malcontent >>>hunchbrains in this forum. >> >>Thank you Hardwire for reinforcing this point so well. > >So Hardwire now has a hotline to Mr Giwer's brain to discern his motives >does he? If you look on Nizkor for some of Giwer's past rantings, Excuse me, but is it traditional for Brits to advertise a site that, over protests, continues to violate my copyright by carrying my material? I was under the impression that Brits had scruples over things like that. I guess not. you'll >notice that he has made threats to make this newsgroup unusable. Unusable to holohuggers who keep trying to stop the discussion of revionism with their wild-eyed support of billyuns and billyuns burned. In other words you a lying again; a silly lying Brit. Your kind deserves the Royals. That >sort of comment makes me thing that his motivations are less some high >spirited action worthy of teenager, but rather a deliberate attempt at >causing confusion. With my own sig? You silly, lying, stupid little british twit. >And anyway, what makes you think it was anything but sheer stupidity >that caused him to leave his original signature file in his posts? Much >of the time Giwer comes across as being pissed as a newt, so maybe in an >alcolohic daze he didn't remember not to include his usual signature. And a continuation of the deliberate lie in the form of libel by the sillly limey twit. >> If he really >>wanted to forge nobody would be able to tell. > >Again, you assume that anybody who really wanted to forge would be able >to pass off a perfect forgery. A forgery is of a document, silly limey. This is another of your lies. Do all limeys lie like you? >> There were so many >>blatant "Giwer footprints" that only the really stupid would fail to >>see. > >Or maybe occasional lurkers and newbies who are not familiar with Giwer. Poor babies. And they needed to be taken care of? Protected? Saved from exposure to evil? You folks were so kind and thoughtful and generous to have taken all that time to protect those poor babies. Have they ever been curteious enough to to thank you holohuggers and jews for all the harrassment and mailbombing you folks did to protect them? Don't you think that makes them an ungrateful and unappreciative lot? In addition to all the rest you have exposed yourself, and as a pompous ass also. >>I think Hardwire, that any decent people would now be admitting to >>their guilt, at least to some degree. I predict that this will not be >>forthcoming. As I have said in another posting, I will make a mental >>note of this when reading the postings of those concerned when they >>are dealing with the serious matters in this group. Others guilty - >>yes. Them - no. Never. > >Indeed, Giwer doesn't seem keen on admitting his guilt, but then he >isn't part of the group that could be described as "decent people". In the US (a free country without silly limeys and royals running around) any person can use any name they want at any time they want as long as the purpose in doing so it not illegal. Otherwise people like Larry King and Jerry Rivers and Jey Leno would be acting illegally all the time. But I do not mean to confuse you with what a free country is like. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:41:54 PST 1996 Article: 80042 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: **************** G I W E R R U L E S *************************************************** Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:47:39 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 164 Message-ID: <328e6ae1.88789722@news.gte.net> References: <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <32798fa9.24153673@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <56hb04$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:00:09 +0000, Dene Bebbington wrote: >* * <*@*.*> wrote: >>jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote: >> >>>In <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com>, ccarp@concept.net (Chris >>>Carpenter) wrote: >> >>>>Late last night, while standing in the backyard, I heard >>>>a feindish, manical laughter comming from the direction of Tampa. >>>>I _ know_ it was Giwer! >> >>>>Look for a new iteration, an improved version of Giwer. He's >>>>got something up his sleve, >> >>>>You guys run him off for a couple of days and look what happened. >> >>>>Did you think he would not return? >>>>Giwer achieves his goals, I'm sure. >> >>>Ah, another "free speech advocate" endorses Matt Giwer's methods. >> >> Sorry about that. My "metnods" are only to keep this conference on the >>track fo >>revisionism and out of the control of attempted usurpring holohuggers who are >>not now and have never been welcome here. > >Since when have you been the arbiter of who can post to this newsgroup? I am a noble volunteer, like the guy who searches the net for spam to issue cancellations. But the question is not WHO can post, the issue is the SUBJECT of the posts. It is COMMON and rather STANDARD procedure for participants to invite people who insist upon posting off topic to leave. You folks refuse to stop posting off topic and you refuse to leave. Therefore I do what I can to keep the conference ON TOPIC, which is revisionism. Under revisionist principles it is taken AS A GIVEN that the standard holocaust stories are Samuel Gringauz Most of the memoirs and reports are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies." Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. That you folks continue to repeat everything referred to in this sentence as true is clearly off topic. It is rather a testament to revisionists that they do no harrass and mailbomb the providers of you holohuggers for your thousands of deliberately off topic posts. >> You holohuggers are NOT welcome here. > >Why, because we actually present the other side of the argument? Can't >have that can we Giwer, can't have people presenting evidence that may >cast doubt on your denierism. The other side of the arguement is NOT the topic of this conference. You folks have soc.jewish.holocaust (or something like that) so if you want to post your nonsense you have a place to post it. Such material is clearly off topic in this conference. Yet you folks persist in posting what has already been rejected in order to form the basic premise of this conference. Thus you holohuggers are acting in an abusive manner to the purpose of this conference. Why not stop it? Why not post it on an appropriate conference? Why not get a conference of your own where you can spam what has been presumptively rejected by this conference? What is it that motivates you people to make such nuisances of yourselves here? >> You holohuggers are posting contrary to the purpose of this newsgroup. > >Sheer utter nonsense, since this newsgroup is about revisionism >regarding the Holocaust, those who have an interest in the subject of >the Holocaust are bound to get involved. Only if they start with the assumption above. It is not for spamming with what has been rejected in order to form the premise of this conference. There is a holocaust conference for that kind of spamming, why not use it? >> This is a revisionist conference. >> >> Can you not read the title? > >Okay, post the FAQ and show where it says only revisionists can post to >this newsgroup, otherwise shut that stupid gob of yours. Gee, the stupid limey knows some slang. READ WHAT I WROTE. I said NOTHING about who, you silly twit. I am talking about WHAT can be posted and WHAT is the subject of this conference. Do you find reading all that hard? Perhaps if I wrote in Brit instead of Yank you could figure it out... >>>At the height of his flooding alt.revisionism with reposts, Matt Giwer >>>wrote that he would try to make alt.revisionism unreadable until such >>>time as the debate was strictly on his terms. >> >> Only because you exterminationist bastards were attempting to take over >>a >>conference that is not yours and does not belong to you. You folks decided to >>spam this conference with your exterminationist BS. Come back and stop >>complaining when you have a revisionist position to discuss. >> >>>Matt Giwer is an ignorant, stupid man: ignorant of the history he >>>claims to debunk, and childishly stupid in his opinions. I say so >>>simply that you will know who it is you are so excited to support. >> >> I plead guilty to all of that. > >At last, Giwer admits he is ignorant, stupid, ignorant of history he >claims to debunk, and childishly stupid in his opinions. > >> I also plead guilty to being the most >>hated by >>holohugger person that ever existed simply because I have posted the truth as I >>have seen it. > >The truth as you have seen it, yet you just admitted to being ignorant, >stupid, and ignorant of the history you claim to debunk. And another example of your lying by using a deceitfully editted quoted. Do you folks wish to do anything but deceive? Maybe the truth >as you see it may be aided by being less ignorant of the history you >claim to debunk. Excuse me but I am using only the material you holohuggers have provided me. I am going by your information about this history. It appears you folks are unaware of what you are posting, like supergenious Danny Keren believing he can hold a conversation with race cars drivers as they go around the track. >> I have been doubly hated because I have worked against you holohuggers >>for >>attempting to pervert this conference into a holohugger preserve. You >>holohuggers have no business here, period. This is for revisionism only. > >Really, since when were you appointed chief arbiter of this newsgroup? Again, an unpaid volunteer working to keep the conference on topid. This is an unmoderated newsgroup. Something needs to be done to establish some message discipline. >[further drivel snipped] Coward. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:41:55 PST 1996 Article: 80044 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.axionet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: **************** G I W E R R U L E S *************************************************** Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 06:22:58 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 39 Message-ID: <328d5d75.19818368@news.gte.net> References: <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <32798fa9.24153673@news.srv.ualberta.ca><32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <32798fa9.24153673@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <56hb04$hqb@news3.gte.net> <56iri9$1f0s$1@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 15 Nov 1996 22:41:13 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote: >In message <56hb04$hqb@news3.gte.net> - *@*.* (* *)Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:19 >GMT writes: >:> > >[deleted] > >:> Sorry about that. My "metnods" are only to keep this conference on the track fo >:>revisionism and out of the control of attempted usurpring holohuggers who are >:>not now and have never been welcome here. >:> >:> You holohuggers are NOT welcome here. >:> >:> You holohuggers are posting contrary to the purpose of this newsgroup. >:> >:> You holohuggers should go back to your soc.jewish,holocaust or whatever NG you >:>came from. >:> >:> You are not welcome here. >:> >:> This is a revisionist conference. >:> >:> Can you not read the title? > >So a person who questions what the "revisionists" say, that is, seeks to >"revise" what they say, is not welcome in a newsgroup that has "revisionism" >in its title? > >What an idiot. As you will, but still you are advised that this is a conference solely for the discussion of revisions to the holocaust myth. It is holohuggers who do not belong here. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From email@add.ress Tue Nov 19 06:41:56 PST 1996 Article: 80045 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news1.hotstar.net!winternet.com!visi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: email@add.ress (Full Name) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:56:52 GMT Organization: Organization Lines: 59 Message-ID: <328eb9c3.107662611@news.gte.net> References: <56haq0$hqb@news3.gte.net> <56jhue$sp8@news.enter.net> Reply-To: email@add.ress NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228214.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 16 Nov 1996 05:03:10 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> *@*.* (* *) writes: >> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: > >> > Let us not forget that paradigm of civility that you mailed to me and my >> >family Matty poo: > >> > "I am tired of your shit. Fuck off." > >> > Maybe somone was just speaking to you in a language you can >> >understand. > >> Finally the lying bastard shyster admits what he claimed was obscene. It >is not >> as though this worthless piece of shit YFE is honest nor that he has integrity, >> he is a lawyer. We need only talk best price for someone like this. > > It is both obscene and actionable as such. So action away little boy. Repor the crime, cowardly little jew. Do something you little shit jew lawyer. >> What and "obscene" message this lying bastard was sent. > > Not only is it obscene under the law, but taken with the criminal Giwer's >others harassment, it constituted a hate crime. The stereotypical litte jew boy. Bearing false witness against a gentile where it is not a sin. Fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off. Tell me all about it, jewboy. Report the crime you cowardly litte jew. Be a Mensch for once in your sick little jew life. >> And this clown pretends it was to his family? > > > Not pretends, states as a fact. > > > The criminal Giwer remains a criminal. The sick and cowardly lying jew continue to sin, to lie to break the commandments of his god because it is OK to do it to gentiles. Come on you lying little jew coward, do something. Report the crimes you filthy lying jew. FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF Report it wimp jew. It is jews like you that make me wish the holocaust had happened and had been more efficient instead just having gotten 238.421 members of your immediate family. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ "History, as usual, will tell lies." GBS From email@add.ress Tue Nov 19 06:41:57 PST 1996 Article: 80046 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news1.hotstar.net!winternet.com!visi.com!mr.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: email@add.ress (Full Name) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Grynspam Swine? Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:56:49 GMT Organization: Organization Lines: 26 Message-ID: <328eb21c.105703986@news.gte.net> References: <54fvdl$jb6@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <326DABCF.4464A533@vertigo.combase.com> <56hapj$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: email@add.ress NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228214.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 16 Nov 96 22:13:45, alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote: ><*[*] [*] [* *] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> ><+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [15 Nov 96 >03:47][*][0]*> > > >> even by the most tolerant of sysops. It was only a matter of > >> time before he'd manage the same trick on the Net. Of course, > >> he is free to find another ISP among the teeming zillions out > >> there and start over. > > > Totally untrue but you are a known liar. > >"The most banned user in the known universe." > >Who is a known liar, Matt? You, among others, of course. You even lie by omission when you read people state that I have been banned by Fido and by DEBATE on Fido and you know that it is not true, you remain silent. That is a REAL Jew. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ "History, as usual, will tell lies." GBS From email@add.ress Tue Nov 19 06:41:58 PST 1996 Article: 80047 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!visi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: email@add.ress (Full Name) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: TROLL IN "PSEUDO-REASON MODE" ALERT! Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:56:55 GMT Organization: Organization Lines: 45 Message-ID: <328ebc11.108252231@news.gte.net> References: <328d9eed.57635042@news.uniserve.com> Reply-To: email@add.ress NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228214.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 21:34:13 GMT, hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov) wrote: >In his state of perpetual failure at anything and everything (except >wasting bandwidth, of course) to which he turns his keyboard, the >witless troll now attempts to defame an Irish tradition: > >On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 05:05:42 GMT, in <328d43a7.13212867@news.gte.net>, >pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) wrote: > >Is the Giwer-troll trying to be funny? Leprechaun?! I doubt that we >shall ever encounter anyone who would be the least likely candidate >for this nym than he whose visage appears on Giwer's website. I have starred in three movies. This >actually runs a close second to Allan Kennady adopting the nym >"Ehrlich." > >Anyway, it looks as though the troll is (temporarily, no doubt) back >in recycling his lies: > >>Funny thing, when I got on here about a year ago, I was discussing >>a particular tape recording. When I expressed doubts about it, I was >>called a nazi and an anti-semite out of no where. Up until that point >>I had been completely civil and yet, when I pointed out the specious >>nature of this tape and other points about it, the name calling >>started. How do you explain that? > >You see he _is_ trying to be funny. Chalk up another failure for the >Giwer-troll. > >Newcomers to this newsgroup would be well-advised to refrain from >feeding the troll. He's really on a starvation diet (trying to >shrink himself to fit his newest nym). Why would anyone believe you? You are a jewess. Right out of the lying YFE mold. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ "History, as usual, will tell lies." GBS From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:41:59 PST 1996 Article: 80056 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (Month Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:48:56 GMT Organization: * Lines: 22 Message-ID: <56hark$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <55k9jf$ivl@is05.micron.net> <55m366$a1s@news.enter.net> <55m9ck$aoc@is05.micron.net> <327f6d34.1824089@news.spry.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote: >On Tue, 05 Nov 1996 02:48:52 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt >Stele) wrote: >>You are a liar, Yale. The Freeman brothers weren't NA. If anything they were Zionists. >Oh sure. Everyday you see any number of Zionists running around >with Swastika's tatooed on their necks. When did you make up the lie about the tattoos and why did you make it up? I mean, did you get some satisfaction in making it up? >If Yale is lying, Kurt, it should prove very easy for you to >prove it. Your failure to do so, indeed, your failure to back up >any of your assertions, makes it evident who the liar is. As easy as it will be for you to prove the tattoo claim, that is. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:00 PST 1996 Article: 80058 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Markduk from idirect of canada Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:09 GMT Organization: * Lines: 45 Message-ID: <56havp$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <559rvk$1m6a@news.gate.net> <55ajqk$krt@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 marduk@netcom.ca (Marduk) wrote: >In article <559rvk$1m6a@news.gate.net>, The Giwer-Swine (tm) idiotically posing >as notthisis4@forgery.dot says... >> >> What is interesting tonight is that once again tonigh, Marduk >identified himself >>as a jew and threatened to kill me and my family. >> >> This jew Marduk is getting rather grossly insulting and that he is >employee of >>or perhaps even an owner of idirect is getting a touch tiring. >> >> That an ISP would be issuing death threats is a touch out of it >ordinary. >>===== >Hmmmmm.....lets read the transcript, as recorded by the Giwer-Swine's (tm) >special super-dooper Zog Threat-Recording Device (patent pending): >The Giwer-Swine (tm): "Kaff, Kafff.....Hello?" >Marduk (in a really spooky Boris Karloff voice): Death to the Giwers!!! >The Giwer-Swine (tm): Who is this? Dad? I told you not to call me anymore when >the sterno runs out. >Marduk (shifting into his Jooos Darth Vaderofsky voice): Die Giwerian Scum!!! >The Giwer-Swine (tm): Eeeeek!! I need a drink. >Marduk (in his plutocratic ISP owner voice): this has been a public service >harrasment phonecall from your local Zog/Idirect internet provider. The best you have, you lying, filthy jew, is anonymous cowardly phone calls and Internet Direct of Canada aupporting your harrassment because you are an owner of the company. What a dispicable company that uses its ISP status to promote jew harrassment. But then, that is the freedom of the internet. It permits Jews and their fellow holohuggers to violate every rule of the internet with self-annointed self-righteousness.. But then what else do we expect from holohuggers. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:00 PST 1996 Article: 80063 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The "revisionist" retreat Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:47:15 GMT Organization: * Lines: 88 Message-ID: <56haog$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <53s0p2$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> <546olg$sqe@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <326DAD36.A7EF630@vertigo.combase.com> <54q2cj$1bog@news.gate.net> <5541os$1scg@news.gate.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <5541os$1scg@news.gate.net>, th1s1s@forgery wrote: >> schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >> >> >In article <54q2cj$1bog@news.gate.net>, dli21@gate.net wrote: >> >> >> >Hey, Mr. Giwer: >> > >> >Why aren't you using your real name? Your relatives rise up against you? >> >> Do you have a problem with my using a handle? Or were you given >the task of >> sorting out what I post for pirating? >> >I only have a problem with liars and forgers, Mr. Giwer. > >And I want to make sure that newcomers to this group will be perfectly >clear on who you are and what you stand for. > >Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, a troller whose only >interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially >plausible, he has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while >accusing others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to >see posts which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when >they have been emailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally >conducted himself with such complete lack of intellectual and factual >integrity that there seems to be no point in taking the time to read and >respond. For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to >URL http://www.almanac.bc.ca/hweb/people/g/giwer.matt/ >Sara >-- >"I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy." > Samuel Butler What is a Holohugger
    What is a Holohugger?

          A holohugger is a person who, regardless of race, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation, age, or national origin, attacks anyone who challenges any aspect of the holocaust no matter how absurd.

          A holohugger is anyone who believes anything that is claimed to have happened during the holocaust, whatever it might have been, no matter how absurd.

          A holohugger is anyone who believes in anything about the holocaust without the slightest question that Germans were different when they were Nazis than before and after the Nazis were in power.

    • You are a jewish holohugger if you believe the holocaust was caused by something essential in the nature of the german people.

          You know you are a holohugger if you support the interests of Israel over the interests of the country you live in, unless that country is Israel.

          You are an american holohugger if you believe the interests of the United States and Israel are the same. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:01 PST 1996 Article: 80065 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Freudian Jew of the 3rd kind shit Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:39 GMT Organization: * Lines: 24 Message-ID: <56hb0m$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <559t30$1m2s@news.gate.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 bodhi@sattva.org (Bodhisattva) wrote: >Hi Matt. Good to see you back, you Hitlerhugging pansy! >In article <559t30$1m2s@news.gate.net>, MATT GIWER spewed in drunken >incoherence: >> We really do need to look at the the third kind Jews who >continue to pretend >> that there is something of merit in Freudian phsychology. >> >> Consider the Freud NEVER cured anyone nor has any of his >followers ever cured >> anyone. >Please indicate any instance where a course of psychiatric or >psychological treatment has "cured" people in significant numbers. I >don't expect an answer from you, coward. No pressure, mama's boy. Shut up you stupid handle. From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:42:02 PST 1996 Article: 80066 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!gryphon.phoenix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.fan.ernst-zundel Subject: Re: 961108: Corrections and Additions Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 05:11:17 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 71 Message-ID: <328d4c0b.15359941@news.gte.net> References: <567q5h$1a2@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU> <56hb13$hqb@news3.gte.net> <328cd444.698399003@news.micron.net> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:80066 alt.fan.ernst-zundel:3103 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 20:37:54 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote: >On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:51 GMT, *@*.* (* *) wrote: > >>rjg@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU (Richard J. Green) wrote: >> >>>In article , >>>E. Zundel Repost wrote: >> >>>>Also, the Cracow (I called it Krakow) Report is available at Nizkor at >>>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/ It >>>>is a refutation of the Leuchter Report. It basically agrees with the >>>>Leuchter findings, but draws from these findings a different conclusion. >> >>>Not true at all. Either Ms. Rimland didn't understand this report or >>>she is not being entirely straightforward. The line that it basically >>>agrees with Leuchter seems to be taken from Raven's dogma. It was >>>untrue when Mr. Raven said it and it is equally untrue when Ms. Rimland >>>says it. >> >>>The Crackow team has demonstrated that HCN was present in the homicidal >>>gas chambers at levels above background. Deniers have no explanation for >>>the presence of HCN in a facility built after the typhoid epidemic at >>>levels above background. >> >> As you are well aware and has been pointed out to you many, many times, no >>background level -- no baseline -- was established in that "study." >> >> One has to question the quality of doctoral candidates the universities are >>putting out these days if you can not see that. >> >>>If the barracks in which they measured no HCN were never fumigated, why did >>>they measure a higher level in the homicidal gas chambers? >> >> "once or never" as you read and choose to ignore in your support of your >>favorite holocaust. >> >>>If the barracks were fumigated, why did they measure a higher level in the >>>homicidal gas chambers? >> >> And of course you know (or prefer to mislead) that you are merely appealing to >>ignorance, a logical fallacy formally identified over two thousand years ago, by >>asking questions. >> >>>It should be noted that the researchers used a calibrated method and that >>>they discriminated against Prussian blue whose origin is not clear. >>>Leuchter and Rudolf did not do so. >> >> And if you were really qualified in research chemistry you would be able to, >>after numerous requests, to explain exactly what that means in the context of >>your appeal to ignorance on this subject. > >Poor Richard Green -- his spurious "science" foiled again. > >The Holofraud's pseudo-science can fool most of the people most of the >time. Rather it is an example of the intellectual dishonesty holohuggers are willing to engage in to promote their favorite holocaust. Plain fraud and misrepresentation are not beneath them. If you remember, this particular this particular holohugger oridarinly works to ask a question in a manner such that the false answer will be assumed by the casual reader. That makes him a good example of the holohuggers in that it was his deliberate intention to deceive others. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:03 PST 1996 Article: 80067 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.fan.ernst-zundel Subject: Re: 961108: Corrections and Additions Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:51 GMT Organization: * Lines: 49 Message-ID: <56hb13$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <567q5h$1a2@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:80067 alt.fan.ernst-zundel:3104 rjg@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU (Richard J. Green) wrote: >In article , >E. Zundel Repost wrote: >>Also, the Cracow (I called it Krakow) Report is available at Nizkor at >>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/ It >>is a refutation of the Leuchter Report. It basically agrees with the >>Leuchter findings, but draws from these findings a different conclusion. >Not true at all. Either Ms. Rimland didn't understand this report or >she is not being entirely straightforward. The line that it basically >agrees with Leuchter seems to be taken from Raven's dogma. It was >untrue when Mr. Raven said it and it is equally untrue when Ms. Rimland >says it. >The Crackow team has demonstrated that HCN was present in the homicidal >gas chambers at levels above background. Deniers have no explanation for >the presence of HCN in a facility built after the typhoid epidemic at >levels above background. As you are well aware and has been pointed out to you many, many times, no background level -- no baseline -- was established in that "study." One has to question the quality of doctoral candidates the universities are putting out these days if you can not see that. >If the barracks in which they measured no HCN were never fumigated, why did >they measure a higher level in the homicidal gas chambers? "once or never" as you read and choose to ignore in your support of your favorite holocaust. >If the barracks were fumigated, why did they measure a higher level in the >homicidal gas chambers? And of course you know (or prefer to mislead) that you are merely appealing to ignorance, a logical fallacy formally identified over two thousand years ago, by asking questions. >It should be noted that the researchers used a calibrated method and that >they discriminated against Prussian blue whose origin is not clear. >Leuchter and Rudolf did not do so. And if you were really qualified in research chemistry you would be able to, after numerous requests, to explain exactly what that means in the context of your appeal to ignorance on this subject. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:04 PST 1996 Article: 80068 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:48:07 GMT Organization: * Lines: 20 Message-ID: <56haq4$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <55g314$nvm@news.enter.net> <4zeVoOev1e1T065yn@login.dknet.dk> <55ma4g$ilj@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <7pxVoOev1ayM065yn@login.dknet.dk> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote: >In article <55ma4g$ilj@lendl.cc.emory.edu>, william c anderson wrote: >>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote: >> >>: This solution may not be practicable in regard to the USA. The USA should >>: be divided into several independent ethnic countries which gradually should >>: be made ethnic homogenous. (Through the exchange of the population) >> >>Sorry, Ole; we're not into that here. > There are many good white American patriots who are longing for ethnic >homogeneity. It should be a human right for everyone to live in ethnic >homogenous societies. And in fact racially homogeneous living is an objective of the Nation of Islam. From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:42:05 PST 1996 Article: 80069 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!news.pac.gte.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.bonehead.matt-giwer Subject: Re: Killfile mgiwer@gte.net (was Re: keyboards aren't kosher) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 05:44:39 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 29 Message-ID: <328d53cb.17344436@news.gte.net> References: <55pgus$6mj@news1.gte.net> <32806C06.6C6C@ix.netcom.com> <847313943.23380.6@vertigo.combase.com><55pgus$6mj@news1.gte.net> <32806C06.6C6C@ix.netcom.com> <847313943.23380.6@vertigo.combase.com> <55t9g5$6r2@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <55uaj5$11hg$4@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <847907320.2404.17@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:80069 alt.bonehead.matt-giwer:650 On 15 Nov 96 10:53:05, alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote: ><*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> ><+[Re: Killfile mgiwer@gte.net (was Re: keyboards aren't kosher)] [13 Nov 96 >07:50][*][0]*> > > >> :> Perhaps you are trolling? > >> > >> Perhaps he is Giwer? > >> > > H> You are SUCH a delusional little man aren't you? > >Is he?!? > >Patterns. He sees patterns. He sees patterns. Lots and lots of patterns. Yet he can not see the pattern of deceit and treachery by holohuggers. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:06 PST 1996 Article: 80071 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars... Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:47:31 GMT Organization: * Lines: 35 Message-ID: <56hap0$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <55bd4f$i8q@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <55c4gm$rop@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <55dhr5$n0s@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon) wrote: >In article <55c4gm$rop@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, Ceacaa wrote: >>Mark Van Alstine wrote on28 Oct 1996 (Ceacaa) wrote: >> The key is your assumption >>"whichever Krema was on-line that day to >>incinerate the entire daily batch of prisoners who >>died from "natural" cause. >> IT WAS NOT PLANNED TO KEEP ONE OF THE >>KREMAS "ON-LINE" EVERY DAY. If that were planned they >>would NOT have needed the Leichenkeller. >> >>The Leichenkeller were built underground >>to serve as a cool place to store bodies: >>(they make a bad gaschamber but a good morgue) >>They are inherently a contradiction to the idea >>of continous cremation (and therefore mass >>extermination). >And yet, the corpse chute in the Leichenkeller >was _removed_ and annotated in the plans. >Why remove a corpse chute from a morgue, thereby >making it even harder to get corpses into the >Leichenkeller? >Simple, because 'the corpses' walked themselves into >the leichenkeller before they were gassed. How do you make a "chute" that goes uphill to the Krema? From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:07 PST 1996 Article: 80072 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: ihr2 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:49:25 GMT Organization: * Lines: 27 Message-ID: <56hash$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ======== Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: When I said it From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:16:53 GMT When I said it, I was told by the legal experts here that I was wrong. "No matter how many books are written or briefs filed, no matter how finely the lawyers analyzed it, the crime for which the Nazis were tried had never been formalized as a crime with the definiteness required by our legal standards, nor outlawed with a death penalty by the international community. By our standards that crime arose under an ex post facto law. Goering et al deserved severe punishment. But their guilt did not justify us in substituting power for principle." --U.S. Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas Kennedy, Profiles in Courage p.190. I would say it is good company to be wrong with. From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:42:07 PST 1996 Article: 80073 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!news.pac.gte.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Forgotten War Atrocities Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 06:37:10 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 21 Message-ID: <328d60fb.20720236@news.gte.net> References: <130732_varange@crl.com_alt.revisionism> <130814_chuckf@rio.com_alt.revisionism> <130814_varange@crl.com_alt.revisionism> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 15 Nov 1996 10:07:56 -0800, varange@crl.com (Troy Varange) wrote: >Chuck Ferree writing [ 1008] bytes in <3287916A.6C9B@rio.com> from nexp.crl.com!omen.cryptic.com!nntp.crl.com!news.infomagic.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.rio.com!news on alt.revisionism said: > >> Troy Varange wrote not one word of this post, It's all natsie >> propaganda from zundel, and has been refuted many times. > > You think the Germans weren't deported from Eastern Europe, > suffering atrocities along the way? > > Maybe you took part in it? > > Did you help transport the millions of Soviet political > refugees back to the USSR Gulag, very much against their > will? The Chuckle Fairy was part of it. But they did not suffer long. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:08 PST 1996 Article: 80074 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Cannot Even Read a Calender Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:44 GMT Organization: * Lines: 40 Message-ID: <56hav0$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <553mss$is4@news.gate.net> <553vtf$bos@news.enter.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> thisis@forgery.dot (Thisis Aforgery) writes: >> >Explain why schools are NOT closed on Passover, Yom Kippur, or Hannukah. > >> Passover is always on a Saturday. How many schools are open on >Saturday? > One thing that can be counted on is that the criminal Giwer How very talmudic of a jewish lawyer to libel a person as criminal without even a filing a complaint. It is a technique right out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion but of course we know that is a forgery even though YFE uses the method. is a fount of >misinformation. Passover begins on whatever day of the week, it falls upon. If the >criminal Giwer could read a calender he would have noted that in 1996 (Jewish >5756) Passover began on April 3, a Wednesday. Thnaks for making a fool of >yourself again, Matty poo. We try not to take jew calendars too seriously. After all, it is such a primitive and very stupid piece of crap. But of course, primitive and tribal jews (all of them) believe in it so they feel free to call anyone who ridicules it anti-semitic. Even though it is no different from any other primitive bullshit such as the Bishop Usher creation in 4004 BC in the fall in the afternoon. It is simply impossible to give serious consideration to such primitive, superstitious and idiotic beliefs. After all, we know and have known for millenia that the "hebrews" were never in Egypt and therefore all of this "passover" crap is just that, primitive, superstitious crap. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:09 PST 1996 Article: 80076 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Bleeble bleeble... the Toth Zone... Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:47:36 GMT Organization: * Lines: 19 Message-ID: <56hap4$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <54883q$6c7@news1.total.net> <548qk5$dla@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <5492bi$na2@news1.total.net> <549a2o$gn8@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <54asq4$4ma@news1.total.net> <326cc80b.75116836@news.zilker.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) wrote: >jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth) wrote: >> No, I am not lost, my deleted articles are not lost either [thanks >>to my good bookeeping, which I also strongly suggest for others to do >>in the future!] My brain is also functioning well thank you. >>However, we all realize now that YOUR collander IS functioning >>well... Perhaps for everyone else to see I should repost all my >>conveniently DELETED articles?.... >Please don't you idiot, we have already seen and downloaded them. >Giwer appears to be gone, at least for now. Don't become another. Because the holohuggers will deliberately interfere with a contractual relationship and threaten others with the same interference? Even Theresa Isreals has agreed to testify to it. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:10 PST 1996 Article: 80078 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: **************** G I W E R R U L E S *************************************************** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:24 GMT Organization: * Lines: 41 Message-ID: <56hb08$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <55ebv2$r7s@Networking.Stanford.EDU> <327c161b.3113149@news.zippo.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ccarp@concept.net (Chris Carpenter) wrote: >On 1 Nov 1996 18:34:10 -0800, rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) >wrote: >>mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes: >>>In article <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com>, ccarp@concept.net (Chris >>>Carpenter) wrote: >>> >>>> Giwer achieves his goals, I'm sure. >>> >>>Indeed. He proves he is an unmitigated ass in need of some serious mental >>>therapy. He should be committed. He's that sick. Seriously. >>> >>>And _you_ approve of this guy? >> >>Of course he does, silly. We already knew that. >>-rich >I neither approve nor disapprove of anyone on this conference. >Except maybe for Chuck, he's our best witness and a scarce resource. > >I have formed one opinion, however. That is: when Giwer pulls the >strings, arms flail wildly at keyboards everywhere. >You guys talk to fruits and vegetables and then you say _ he's_ >nuts. >For the record, I will say this: Matt Giwer _ should not forge_ or >violate any part of his ISP agreement - it Just Moshe ain't Kosher. >So Matt, (in my sternest keyboard), You stop it right now! You >collard. >Think he'll listen?. . . Nah. You sound like a typical lying holohugger in saying I have forged anything. Have you lost your wits? Or have you become a holohugger just for the fun of it? From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:11 PST 1996 Article: 80084 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars... Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:47:23 GMT Organization: * Lines: 31 Message-ID: <56haoo$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <534lbe$md2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <54jga2$md4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote: >ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote: >> Pressac seems more than content with what he calls >> "criminal traces", usually little "slips" in the masses >> of documents that the Germans left. Ask Pressac >> to look at the actual ruins, >I assume you can explain how Pressac found the places where the dummy >showerheads were attached to the ceiling of L.1. >You know, the showerheads that show up in the inventory document, a copy >of which he reproduces. >You know, the showerheads that many eyewitnesses have testified to. >I'm sure it's just a "little 'slip'" -- but why don't you explain them >for us anyway. After all, you're an expert on the actual ruins. >Thanks. Spreading lies is not welcome. Any witness that "testified" to fake showerheads was gassed and therefore spoke from the grave -- save for the man who was gassed six times and got better of course. The "testimony" you refer to is of people on the outside who said people were sent to the showers, giving an entirely new and sinister meaning to baseball. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:11 PST 1996 Article: 80085 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: **************** G I W E R R U L E S *************************************************** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:27 GMT Organization: * Lines: 51 Message-ID: <56hb0b$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <32810519.6592335@news.zilker.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) wrote: >mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >>In article <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com>, ccarp@concept.net (Chris >>Carpenter) wrote: >> >>> You guys run him off for a couple of days and look what happened. >> >>Indeed. He gets get's to hunt for yet another ISP. It's like musical >>chairs: Sooner or later the chairs run out. >> >Maybe the word will get around that the clown is more trouble than his >few dollars are worth. Of course that will be true as long as jews and their fellow holohuggers harrass my ISPs to make it not worth their effort. Consider they, Cybergate, (via Theresa Israels) said they were being mailbombed and harrassed by her fellow Jew(esses)s. Why would she lie? She is a Jewess. She would not lie. So what is the problem with my pointing out the tactics of Jews in this world. They piously preach against such methods but they actively engage in it as does Alec Grynspan, the Mossad murderer, who cheerfully admits it. >>> Did you think he would not return? >> >>Actually, I could care less. I've had him killfiled for months nows. >> >Yup, it is a killfile adventure. Now he spends most of his time trying >to get around killfiles. Quite a hoot. >>> Giwer achieves his goals, I'm sure. >> >>Indeed. He proves he is an unmitigated ass in need of some serious mental >>therapy. He should be committed. He's that sick. Seriously. Another silly Jew thinks he can diagnose from afar without the least education in the field. Why is it that Jews are always so silly as to think they can pretend to be Freud? Why is it that they believe Freud was anything but a fraud? Why is it they are so stupid? From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:12 PST 1996 Article: 80086 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!EU.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars... Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:49:41 GMT Organization: * Lines: 61 Message-ID: <56hat2$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <19961108054000.AAA19150@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >> A mirror Pressac argument is that >> a heating system for Leichenkeller 1 >> was planned but NOT built. >Oops! There you go lying by omission again, Mr. Allen! Tsk, tsk! Must you so stupidly belabor what has already been settled by the holohuggers? >Pressac clearly writes that: Pressasc is a pharmacist. He is unaware of the holohugger pronouncement that heating is completely and totally unnecessary. >"...Leichenkeller 1 can no longer be an underground morgue because there >are plans to <> it; Leichenkeller 2 can no longer be a morgue >because it has become a place where people get undressed [i.e. >"Auskleidekeller" -MV]. However, before Pru"fer's bright idea could be put >into practice, one of the forced-draught motors caught fire, damaging the >installation. This fire caused the system to be withdrawn from service in >Krematorium II and totally abandoned in Krematorium III...." (Pressac, >_Technique_, p.223.) >Further clarification by Pressac on this can be found: >"Another last-minute problem arose because of defective arrangement of the >three forced drafts around the smokestack. Transfer of heat from the >smokestack to the ventilation system was to increase the temperature in >all the rooms serviced by the system. Pru"fer had pointed out this >drawback on February 19 and suggested channling the excess heat to morhue >1 - a suggestion that clearly reveals that the morgue, which by definition >must remian cool, had become a gas chmber. Heating the morgue would ensure >more rapid diffusion of Zyklon B. The plan was immediately accepted by the >SS, and on February 22, Topf sent to Auschwitz a cast-iron blower with an >extractive power of 9,000 to 10,000 cu m an hour, priced at 522 RM (1992: >$2,100). >"A relatively minor item that had not been yet made was a metal connecting >pipe, in the shape of a trident, to be placed in the loft between the >ceiling of the rooms with forced draft and the blower, which fed into the >smokestack used to evcuate the gas from the gas chamber. A sliding damper >in the smokestack allowed control of the flow of air. Closed and with >activated blowers, the flow of hot air would go into the gas chamber and >preheat it. Open, it would allow for the extraction of the toxix gas. The >order for the connecting pipe was officially approved on March 6 at a >price of 1,070 RN, It was to be manufactured within the week." (Gutman, >_Anatomy_, p.230-232.) We have on this conference two people claiming to be chemists and one claiming to have a doctorate in computer science who have ALL declared without any RESERVATION WHATSOEVER that ZB was just as quickly deadly at low temperatures as at high temperatures. They know better than your idiot friend Pressac who claims (as you appear to claim) that there was any need for any heating whatsoever. When in the hell are you going to listen to your better holohuggers and dismiss Pressac for the pharmacist he really is? From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:13 PST 1996 Article: 80087 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: A couple questions about the "Holohoax" conspiracy Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:31 GMT Organization: * Lines: 32 Message-ID: <56hb0e$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <55cb4u$4t9@orion.cybercom.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) wrote: >If the Holocaust did not take place then there must be an enormous conspiracy >in place that continues to orchestrate the "hoax" to this very day. Given >that premise I was wondering... >1. Who, specifically, started this conspiracy? When was is started? Where >was it started? The KGB's parent organizations. The same ones that attempted to blame the nazis for Katyn Woods even after it was known the Soviets did it. >2. How were individuals recruited into the conspiracy? What sort of training >or support did they receive upon recruitment? They were given the job. What is so hard about that? Training? Very little. That is why the testimony is so absurd. >3. Who, specifically, runs this conspiracy today? The Jews as Ari Shavitz has written from Israel. >4. Why has no participant in this huge conspiracy turned traitor and spilled >the beans? How have its manipulations stayed so hidden? Ari is one and there are others. Why have you not been paying attention? All of AIPAC is out in the open and working against US interests. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:14 PST 1996 Article: 80088 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!op.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Markduk from idirect of canada Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:48:34 GMT Organization: * Lines: 44 Message-ID: <56haqv$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <559rvk$1m6a@news.gate.net> <55ajqk$krt@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 marduk@netcom.ca (Marduk) wrote: >In article <559rvk$1m6a@news.gate.net>, The Giwer-Swine (tm) idiotically posing >as notthisis4@forgery.dot says... >> >> What is interesting tonight is that once again tonigh, Marduk >identified himself >>as a jew and threatened to kill me and my family. >> >> This jew Marduk is getting rather grossly insulting and that he is >employee of >>or perhaps even an owner of idirect is getting a touch tiring. >> >> That an ISP would be issuing death threats is a touch out of it >ordinary. >>===== >Hmmmmm.....lets read the transcript, as recorded by the Giwer-Swine's (tm) >special super-dooper Zog Threat-Recording Device (patent pending): >The Giwer-Swine (tm): "Kaff, Kafff.....Hello?" >Marduk (in a really spooky Boris Karloff voice): Death to the Giwers!!! >The Giwer-Swine (tm): Who is this? Dad? I told you not to call me anymore when >the sterno runs out. >Marduk (shifting into his Jooos Darth Vaderofsky voice): Die Giwerian Scum!!! >The Giwer-Swine (tm): Eeeeek!! I need a drink. >Marduk (in his plutocratic ISP owner voice): this has been a public service >harrasment phonecall from your local Zog/Idirect internet provider. Marduk of course is the lying scum that speaks for the management of Internet Direct (idirect) of Canada. Idirect also makes harrassing phonecalls regularly to me, Matt Giwer, and my family as a matter of company policy. Idirect as a company is filthy, libelous jewish scum of the earth. But then, what else is new? From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:42:15 PST 1996 Article: 80090 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!news.pac.gte.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Cremation Rates Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 05:33:44 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 43 Message-ID: <328d50bc.16561260@news.gte.net> References: <3285fa37.2511006@news.zippo.com> <565fe3$bk6@news.enter.net> <328c424a.4704216@199.0.216.204> <328967DF.5DFE@west.net> <328adbc5.674533@199.0.216.204> <3289e5a3.656176@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <328c25ed.226126@199.0.216.204> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:02:00 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote: > The method would be, for a honest study, to take core samples. >Once something shows up that could indicate at mass cremation and >burial took place, take more core samples to delineate the approximate >extent and location. Then dig trenches to expose cross sections to >show the soil had been disturbed and that there is a noticeable amount >of material that could be construed as remains of charred bodies, >including the carbon content, and do laboratory tests to show the >material was from human remains. > > Even to this day, millions of years after the facts, many >geological conclusions are made in the same manner. Even so much as >isolating very thin seems that might show a meteor hit on earth and >led to dinosaur extinctions. Even to this day the evidence should be >there, galore, for any mass cremations and burials. This is one aspect >of the Holocaust/revisionist debate that could, should be available >for studies. So why aren't the World Jewish Congress, Simon Wiesenthal >Center and all the rest of the myriad Jewish organizations out there >to prove it? Because they know there isn't anything there. Other wise >they would be making the move to settle the dispute once and for all. > > > This lack of going out and digging up the evidence is one of the >aspects of the Holocaust story that makes me believe the perpetuators >of the lie know it to be just that. A lie. And after they explain not being able to find 3000 tons of cremated remains at A-B they can start explaining why they can not find ten million uncremated bodies all over Eastern Europe. Even at 1000 bodies to a grave that it ten thousand mass graves that have never been found. They were taken outside of town shot and buried? Fifty years ago that was farm land, today it is a suburb. Yet they are not being found. One almost gets the impression there is nothing to be found. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:16 PST 1996 Article: 80091 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Pressac as historian Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:06 GMT Organization: * Lines: 2 Message-ID: <56havm$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 He is a liscensed pharmacologist, isn't he? From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:17 PST 1996 Article: 80092 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Soviets were fighting Hitler in 1956 in Hungary? [David Irving] Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:44 GMT Organization: * Lines: 26 Message-ID: <56hb0s$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <560b1o$2l3@atlas.uniserve.com> <19961109013300.UAA05888@ladder01.news.aol.com> <32872eff.245845377@news.zilker.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) wrote: >ehrlich606@aol.com wrote: >>>Indeed such thinking as Irving gives vent to is "unhealthy and wrong." >>>And it is as deceitful of him to attempt to whitewash Hitler and the >>>Nazis actions (by blaming the Jews) as it is of you to attempt to >>>whitewash Irving (by blaming those who remind the world that - >>>regardless of his "expertise" - Irving is _not_ an honest historian.) >>> >> >>Well, I think you are engaging in precisely the kind of of simplistic >>analysis I deplore when you say that Irving *blames the Jews*. What page >>is _that_ on? >> >Rather than attack Hilary personally, you could have simply asked for >the reference she has in mind. BTW, it seems that the recent speeches >of Mr. Irving suggest that he is the focus of some world-wide >conspiracy. I think that he exaggerates his importance to the world. HE-MAN to the rescue! We know the broad. She is generally in capable of analysis and when attempting it, it is always simplistic. She is of the intellectual level of the average holohugger. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:18 PST 1996 Article: 80093 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!news.abs.net!news.cais.net!in1.nntp.cais.net!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: ihr4 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:49:33 GMT Organization: * Lines: 34 Message-ID: <56hasp$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ======== Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Not close inded! Keren bullshits again From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:43:39 GMT Hey, Keren! Where is your story about the Polish "spies" not getting close this time? " The second building [at Treblinka] consists of three chambers and a boiler-room. The steam generated in the boilers is led by means of pipes to the chambers. There are terracota floors in the chambers which become very slippery when wet ... All victims had to strip off their clothes and shoes, which were collected afterwards, whereupon all victims, women and children first, were driven into the death chambers. Those too slow or too weak to move quickly were driven on by rifle butts, by whipping and kicking...Many slipped and fell, the next victims pressed forward and stumbl ed over them. Small children were simply thrown inside. After being filled up to capacity the chambers were hermetically closed and steam was let in. In a few minutes all was over." IMT XXXII - pp. 156-157. This affidavit was part of the opening prosecution, read into the record on December 14, 1945. It is quoted in part in GM Gilbert's *Nuremberg Diary* p. 69. To say that it is not eyewitness testimony is a technicality. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:19 PST 1996 Article: 80094 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:04 GMT Organization: * Lines: 51 Message-ID: <56hatp$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <55g314$nvm@news.enter.net> <4zeVoOev1e1T065yn@login.dknet.dk> <3284D90F.1584@conterra.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Kimberley Ahlf wrote: >On Sat, 9 Nov 1996, Bob Whitaker wrote: >> This is the net, not a Politically Correct environemtn where you >> can get away with that kind of crap without cheallenge. >And to think your brand of vile racism (is there any other kind?) *was* >"politically correct" just a few short decades ago. Fortunately, and >despite your deepest desires, racism is no longer "politically" correct >and will never again be politically correct in this country. Would you please expound in absolute terms, not in terms of what others have done with it or where it at one time lead, just what is wrong with "racism"? And BEFORE you do that, define racism in the manner that you will use it in your exposition -- for the sake of clarity, that is. >> What country is coping with a melting pot and doing it decently. >Those nations, like the US, that have been able to lead most of its >inhabitants out of the dark ages of racist thinking and toward a more >enlightened era of egalitarinism and democracy, are coping. I can't think >of any nation that's yet come close to any 'ideal' society, but many are >moving slowly ahead as they distance themselves from archaic notions >such as racism. Excuse me but the US came to lead the world decades before any of the multi-racial crap started. The US concept of race only existed for blacks. Other than that it was by country of origin. The rule was that they spent their time in hell and the second generation became assimilated Americans. The US has not now nor has it ever had an interest in immigrants for anything but their cuisine. They come here to become Americans and that includes Jews. Loyalty to Israel is unamerican, period. It is no different that continuing loyalty to Russia or India or any other country in the world. >> Out here in reality, your wishful thinking does not constitute >> fact. >Yes, it is too bad that in the real world we still have to deal with many >unpleasant obstacles, such as racists like you. That's the price we >pay for living in a free society. The best we can hope to achieve is to >keep the ideas of people like you on the fringes of society where they can >do little damage to civilization. I have noted a Constitution where there is a 14th amendment. It makes certain statements and none other. If you do not like it, get it amended. Until then, stop pretending you know anuthing about the US. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:20 PST 1996 Article: 80095 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Sobibor, Winter, 1942-1943 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:34 GMT Organization: * Lines: 30 Message-ID: <56hb0h$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <55choa$ihg@viper.txdirect.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 nizkor@veritas.nizkor.org (Nizkor USA) wrote: >Archive/File: holocaust/poland/reinhard/sobibor sobibor.11 >Last-modified: 1993/03/24 >"The transports trickled into Sobibor in the winter of 1942 like water from >half-frozen pipes. Nizkor USA????!!!??? What in the fuck is this but a lying expatriot pretending to be an American? What a piece of shit. Remember, the entire US Marines are being mobilized against the idiot who still pretends to be an American while in fact being a sniveling, whining Canadian as are all Canadians. There is nothing lower than a Canadian, wimpy little folk who are voluntary cannon fodder for the UN. Little shits who hid under the US nuclear umbrella and never EVER contributed to their own defense knowing the US had to "take care of" the wimps to the north. And these little shits to the north have the chutzpah (obnoxious jewish trait) to claim to be "american." Just who is the bastard jew claiming to be an american here? McMuffin? Most likely. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:20 PST 1996 Article: 80096 of alt.revisionism From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The "revisionist" retreat Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:47:10 GMT Organization: * Lines: 49 Message-ID: <56haob$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <53s0p2$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> <546olg$sqe@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!op.net!news.snip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote: ><*[*] [*] [Jamie McCarthy] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> ><+[The "revisionist" retreat] [18 Oct 96 13:20][*][0]*> > JM> "useless" for discussion of the Holocaust. While he has not > JM> completely succeeded, he has made large strides toward that > JM> goal. >Matt has also let anybody who shows up here see *EXACTLY* what >revisionists have to offer - stupidity, ignorance, lies, impotence >of personality, psychoses... Then why did you solicite me to work with you and how did we successfully work against David Dahlman if that were the case? > JM> Over the past year, "revisionists" have made a tactical fallback > JM> to the web, their retreat covered by flanking fire from Matt > JM> Giwer. >And all it takes to defeat Matt is to set up a web page or 3 at >various sites, such as my own soon-to-be-unveiled NetKooks and >NetSkunks. And be just like Dahlman's hysterical netscabs site. It is rather amazing how long it took you to master HTML after to many claims of being the world's greatest programmer. >A simple, short description of why the individual qualifies as a >netKook or NetSkunk, followed by a pointer to alt.revisionism, so >that folks can see for themselves (and another to Nizkor, so that >folks can see *THAT* side of Matt as well...) and Matt's efforts >will be the best weapon *AGAINST* his efforts possible! >BTW - Matt made a big mistake in his path tricks lately. He'll >discovere what soon enough. Threatening mail bombs again? Little boy, wannbe murderer for the Mossad, get a life. Murderers, wannbe or not, are not considered nice people. That you claimed to be a murderer for the Jew Mossad does not enhance your position. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:21 PST 1996 Article: 80097 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!op.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!EU.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: ihr3 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:49:29 GMT Organization: * Lines: 22 Message-ID: <56hasl$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ======== Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: No wonder we can't find the bodies From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:39:36 GMT " MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Now, I have certain information, which was placed in my hands, of an experiment which was carried out near Auschwitz and I would like to ask you [Albert Speer] if you heard about it or knew about it. The purpose of the experiment was to find a quick and complete way of destroying people without the delay and trouble of shooting and gassing and burning, as it had been carried out, and this is the experiment, as I am advised. A village, a small village was provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and in it approximately 20,000 Jews were put. By means of this newly invented weapon of destruction, these 20,000 people were eradicated almost instantaneously, and in such a way that there was no trace." IMT XVI - p.529. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:22 PST 1996 Article: 80098 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Information for Holocaust Revisionists Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:43:32 GMT Organization: * Lines: 53 Message-ID: <328c2b79.73530678@news.gte.net> References: <19961110223201.RAA14265@ladder01.news.aol.com> <567c0j$crg@rks1.urz.tu-dresden.de> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 11 Nov 1996 14:08:19 GMT, uroess@urz.tu-dresden.de (Ulrich Roessler) wrote: >ehrlich606@aol.com wrote: > >: The release of these documents is an unqualified good. For one thing, it >: may serve as a spur to the British government to start releasing the other >: documents they are still holding. It would also be nice if the Soviets >: would release more of their holdings and it would further be nice if >: people stopped treating all Soviet Special Commissions with such >: credulity. > >Ah yes, the unreleased secret documents, the Soviet Special Commissions, >and the credulous people, the usual resort of the weaseling variety of >"Revisionism". As if the bolder sort of "Revisionists" had ever tried >to analyse seriously the known documents, as if they wouldn't chant >_Forgery forgery_ whenever a document doesn't suit their agenda. Obviously you are very new to the discussion as you know nothing but the repetitions of those who can not support their claims of hearing the laughter of pilots over the noise of their engines. >I'm waiting the day when the first one claims that these newly released >documents from 'Ultra' sources are in fact a Soviet forgery because all >these mathematicians working for the British secret services were, you know, >Russians or Jews, or Jewish communist or whatever. Just as now and then some >fool pops up and claims that the 'Einsatzgruppen-Berichte' are, you guess it, >Soviet forgeries etc. You should rather wait until you find out what is published about them first and then compare them to what they say. Katyn Woods is a very well known forgery. And that is of Russian origin also. They even attempted to introduce it at the IMT where everyone knew it was a Russian slaughter. >: Revisionism is truly on the march and this is good to see. > >Mr Ehrlich finds an apt picture, drumming jackboots and all. It will be interesting to see your position based upon the actual contents years from now when whatever it is, is finally published. Until then it is the height of stupidity to comment upon what a preliminary press release says might be contained in them. On the other hand, genuine revisionists expect these files to add up to so many dead that these idiot claims of gassings and extermination camps will be dropped WITHOUT ONE apology to anyone who was called a name because they pointed out the gassing was idiotic and contrary to basic science. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:24 PST 1996 Article: 80101 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!news.abs.net!news.cais.net!in1.nntp.cais.net!op.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Cremation Rates Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:54 GMT Organization: * Lines: 64 Message-ID: <56hb16$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <3285fa37.2511006@news.zippo.com> <565fe3$bk6@news.enter.net> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> ccarp@concept.net (Chris Carpenter) writes: >> On Sun, 10 Nov 1996 06:22:32 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van >> Alstine) wrote: >> >Another silly Moranic (tm) lie bites the dust: >> > >> >"...The temperature at which cremations are done vary based upon the >> >retort manufacturer, but most machines operate between 1,500 to 1,900 >> >degrees F. The actual cremation time again varies depending upon the type >> >of machine. Low capacity retorts take approximately 3 hours to complete a >> >cremation while high capacity machines take less than one hour. In >> >addition to the type of retort, the size of the individual and the number >> >of cremations conducted during the day also affect the time. For example, >> >in the retort we operate, the first cremation of the day takes about two >> >hours and the second takes about an hour. That is because the retort >> >already has a high internal temperature at the beginning of the second >> >cremation...." >> Excuse me for sticking my OHV in here but... >> My understanding was that the incinerators used coke as fuel and >> therefore ran at much lower temperatures than you refer to above. >> That's 500F to 700F degrees less than todays retorts. Lower temps. >> equate to slower burning rates. > The comparison between a modern commercial crematory and the >operations at Auschwitz is complicated by the different purposes of the operations. > At Auschwitz the objective was to cremate as many bodies as possible in the >shortest amount of time. A modern crematory is a commercial operation rarely, if >ever, used to full capacity. But we also need to recognizs that it is a comparison that you are completely unqualified to make from any view point save person zoning violations. We need to keep firmly in mind that you have no idea whatsoever that you know what you are talking about in any aspect. > The procedures, therefore, are different. A modern crematory is not used >for continuous cremations or at maximum efficiency. They are cooled down after >every use to completely clean all ashes from the interior. (An interesting reason can >be found in the book "Dead Men Do Tell Tales" One chapter was devoted to a >lawsuit in Florida where the crematory was charged with comingling ashes.) and >the cadavers are placed in a cool retort which -- to minimize damage to the lining >brick -- is heated slowly to the burning temperature. Whatever advantage is >gained by a "hotter" furnace is lost in this cycling time. And so out of complete and total ignorance of any and all technical aspects of the subject you throw in a red herring in an attempt to appear knowledgeable of the subject when in fact you are completely ignorant in every way. > Another factor is environmental regulation. A crematory operated to >minimize cremation time is more likely to produce pollution. A slower cremation time >allows the pollution control equipment to function more efficiently. This was not >much of a concern at Auschwitz (or anywhere else at that time where copious >amounts of smoke and smell were considered a sign of industrial health). And as you know (but would prefer to mislead as a good shyster should) what has been said about commercial crematory operations was equally true BEFORE there were any pollution laws. But then, as a shyster, misleading people is what you are trained to do. However, you are not very good at it. In fact you are no better than the average holohugger liar at it. From *@*.* Tue Nov 19 06:42:25 PST 1996 Article: 80105 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: *@*.* (* *) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine? Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:47:43 GMT Organization: * Lines: 19 Message-ID: <56hapc$hqb@news3.gte.net> References: <54mob8$asu@news.enter.net> <326F310D.55D60087@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: *@*.* NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229031.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote: >In article <326F310D.55D60087@vertigo.combase.com>, Hardwire > wrote: >[snip] >> Must you only cry on about the atrocities perpetrated by Mr. Giwer, and >> yet neglect to mention those perpetrated upon him? How about the many >> death-threats he received in response to his posts long before this >> became an issue of "forgery", and "mail-bombings"? >So Giwer claimed, although he never ever was able to support these claims. It has been supported many time but the holohuggers would prefer to ignore that support as they are merely holohuggers, below human contempt. From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:42:25 PST 1996 Article: 80118 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!news.pac.gte.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Now it's SEVEN !?! million Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 06:45:23 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 36 Message-ID: <328d61a2.20887373@news.gte.net> References: <3288E0B7.4C48@copper-mt.com> <32908411.367448@199.0.216.204> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:54:14 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote: > > From "Russians transfer archives to USHMM" posted by McVay. An >account about KGB archives being transferred to the Holocaust Museum >in Washington D.C. >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >"Vladimir Naumov, a distinguished Russian archivist, said the >documents showed that responsibility for the atrocities was not >limited to the murder squads but pervaded the whole German army from >the lowest to the most senior ranks. > >He said the materials would help historians get a clearer idea of how >many Jews perished at Nazi hands, adding that he believed the figure >exceeded the generally cited 6 million to 7 million computed after the >war." >====================================================================== > > Now it's even getting higher than 7,000,000. An interesting point, perhaps introduced by the translator, is that he says "computed" rather than "pulled out of the IMT's collective ass." And if they can add just two more million to the EG totals they can drop the gassing completely. And of course then the holohuggers will sanctimoniously claim that no "reputable" historian ever claimed there was any gassing. That of course is true today but they pretend otherwise. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:42:26 PST 1996 Article: 80125 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.axionet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Is Kreiberg a Fake Dane? Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:35:39 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 46 Message-ID: <328da649.38462549@news.gte.net> References: <563ui7$ai@news.enter.net> <328d83df.812429@news.micron.net> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:11:22 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote: >On 10 Nov 1996 07:00:23 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: > >>> olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes: >> >>> So far the other Danish patriots have only asked whether I would >>> like to run as a candidate for the municipality- and county election next >>> year. I have had several meetings with them and they have never mentioned >>> anything about my name. >> >> Perhaps this is more evidence of the basic stupidity of the neo-nazis >>you hang around with. I am sure, by the way, that Danish voters include in their >>prayers every night a supplication that some scruffy little nazi with a racist >>ideology repugnant to all that is decent in western civilization will run for office. > >What would you know about what is repugnant to Western Civilization, >Jew Yale? I'll tell what has been repugnant to Western Civilization >from its beginning: Jew scum like yourself. > >>Be sure to tell us how your speeches in which you advocate having vigilantes >>round up those who you don't like and throw them in concentration camps or tell >>the voters how nauseated you are whenever you hear of how the Jewish >>population of Denmark was saved. Or is throwing rotten fruit an American >>custom? > >> --YFE > >How are your brothers doing these days in Israel Yale? Killed any >Palestinian children lately? Shot any Arabs in the mouth just for >fun? How are those Palestinians doing which Jews forced in >concentration camps on the West Bank? Yaley will never answer this crap because he, as a jew, approves of all of it. Of course he is safe here in the US and still promotes it. This is the kind of crap that he condemns when he IMAGINES it is directed towards jews but which he PROMOTES when directed towards Muslims. He is a jew hater but then he is a jew so what is the differnece? ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:42:27 PST 1996 Article: 80175 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:02:24 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 64 Message-ID: <328e61b9.86445468@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559u0o$1m2s@news.gate.net> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <327fdff5.15295167@news.demon.co.uk> <55vq3q$7ir@panix2.panix.com> <847587955.17669.0@perdrix.demon.co.uk> <7T9xRBAru6hyEwfJ@bebbo.demon.co.uk> <56hb0v$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:21:17 +0000, Dene Bebbington wrote: >soc.culture.jewish trimmed from followup. > >* * <*@*.*> wrote: >>Dene Bebbington wrote: >[snipped for brevity] >>>This is the most pathetic evaasion I've seen on here for ages. Does >the >>>OED state how good the forgery has to be in order to be called a >>>forgery? The fact that Giwer's forgeries were detected by those aware >of >>>his methods, and who know about news headers, makes it no less a >>>"fraudulent imitation of something". >> >> You SILLY, STUPID TWIT! They were "detected" because I deliberately >>left my >>sig file the same. > >Are you stupid enough to think that the absence of your signature would >have made the forgery go undetected? You remain a silly, stupid twit, not only for missing the sig but for attempting to get away with posting otherwise. That is two examples of your silliness. >>>If you were to try and counterfeit a currency note and pass it off in a >>>transaction, it would still be considered a forgery, even if it was a >>>bad one. >> >> And if the currency had prominantly stamped on it COUNTERFEIT? > >Then you'd just be considered to be a really stupid cretin. As you are for a) missing the sig and b) pretending it was not there when in fact it was and c) trying to get away with the claim that it was not there. I was wrong above, there are three examples of your silliness, not just two. >> The only thing the entire exercise proved is that jews and their fellow >>holohuggers are lying little shit cowards. And if they are not lying little >>shit cowards then they are terminally stupid twits. > >On the contrary, those reporting you to your ISP(s) have not lied, they >have simply used your own actions against you. So, what is it you were >saying about "terminally stupid twits"... As you are a holohugger it is fully expected that you will defend your fellow liars so ernestly. But you should keep up on what the lies are. The reasons the ISPs gave me, the only person to whom they had any business talking, is because of the harrassing email, voice calls and mail bombs they were sent. The lie that is being told by your fellow jews and holohuggers is that it had anything to do with what I posted or any name I used. And that is the lie you are defending, making you a liar also, a very silly one at that. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:42:28 PST 1996 Article: 80201 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.scott.net!acara.snsnet.net!news7.crl.com!omen.cryptic.com!nntp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!atmnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Information for Holocaust Revisionists Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:47:35 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 38 Message-ID: <328e698e.88450835@news.gte.net> References: <19961110223201.RAA14265@ladder01.news.aol.com> <567c0j$crg@rks1.urz.tu-dresden.de> <328c2b79.73530678@news.gte.net> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:37:12 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: > *@*.* (* *) (a senile, unemployed drunkard who is too much >of a coward to post under his own name), writes: > ># Obviously you are very new to the discussion as you know ># nothing but the repetitions of those who can not support ># their claims of hearing the laughter of pilots over the ># noise of their engines. > >Funny thing is that I asked about this in the aviation >groups. One fellow who flew a Mustang in the war said that >he once shouted instructions to a comrade on the ground >(while flying), and that the other fellow had no special >problems hearing him. You are lying. You are telling a very stupid lie. And you know you telling a very stupid lie. And if I give you the benefit of the doubt that you were in fact told that then you were sent out for a left handed monkey wrench and he just made a fool of you. Next time you are at the race track, hold a conversation with the drivers, you silly twit. >But it was obvious, wasn't it? After all, Giwer said it's >impossible. And crazy old Giwer always says the opposite >of what is true. Maybe that's why he is unemployed since he >was 46-years-old. What is not yet clear, is why the senile >leech is so proud of the fact that he's unemployed? Jealousy of course. You may never be able to retire. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:42:29 PST 1996 Article: 80244 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine? Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:52:32 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 31 Message-ID: <328d9cdd.36050078@news.gte.net> References: <54fvdl$jb6@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <326DABCF.4464A533@vertigo.combase.com> <199610231658.AA14832@world.std.com> <3270D751.7DD08F9C@vertigo.combase.com> <54sp0c$3d7@is05.micron.net> <54toe3$jnr@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <327331A3.6792331A@vertigo.combase.com> <9c3_9610290041@tor250.org> <558n0l$qeo@news.gate.net> <327E2729.6FA4@gryn.org><54fvdl$jb6@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <326DABCF.4464A533@vertigo.combase.com> <199610231658. <847906381.2404.13@vertigo.combase.com> <848100779.19562.1@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:34:07 -0500, Hardwire wrote: >Alec Grynspan wrote: >> >> <*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> >> <+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [13 Nov 96 >> 07:34][*][0]*> >> >> >> Behave yourself, Mattie. He wiped out your old man. You >> >> would be child's play, so to speak. >> >> H> You're like one of those kids in a school yard brawl that's >> H> egging on a fight.... why is that? Don't you have a life Gordy? >> >> More than you do. >> > >Hardwire's comments translated to terms that Grynspan will be able to >understand: > >"I'm rubber, you're glue, anything you say bounces off me and sticks on >you." > >We now return you to your regularly scheduled bedlam. He really is a juvenile little shit, isn't he? ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:42:30 PST 1996 Article: 80248 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!news.fdt.net!newsfeed.telalink.net!telalink!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Bye, Bye, "Master Plan"? Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 07:53:13 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 115 Message-ID: <328d6e92.24199570@news.gte.net> References: <328e83b3.273361@199.0.216.204> <32949867.5573294@199.0.216.204> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:45:59 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article <32949867.5573294@199.0.216.204>, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) >wrote: > >[snip] > >> For anyone who would like to witness examples of allegations that >> Germany had a master plan for the destruction of Jews, all that is >> necessary is to read the intros to most books on the Holocaust. > >But didn't the Moran (tm) just post, in article ><3293973e.5276370@199.0.216.204>, that "Holocaust propagandists [are] >citing the 'Wannasee [sic] Conference' [and] are out to show a >premeditated master plan by Germany to exterminate all the Jews?" > >It appears that the Moran has, among more his other, sordid failings, an >"attention deficit" problem. > >Such is the (pathetic) life of a denier gadfly, it seems.... > >> "... fat for soap, hair for mattresses and bone for fertilizer" >> was one of the most pre-eminent, forefront allegations of the >> Holocaust story that even Jews have had to acquiesce to as being lies. > >As to the issue of the ersatz _Rein Judisch Fett_ (Pure Jewish Fat) soap >rumor a little honesty seesm in order. (Something that the Moran (tm) >seems incabable of embracing.) > >For those interested in the truth, please visit: > >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/stutthof/danzig-soap-evidence >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/stutthof/soap-photos >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/s/sereny.gitta/soap-experimentation >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/l/lipstadt.deborah/soap.05 >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/stutthof/soap.01 This is rather a place to see an exercise in false captioning to decieve the unwary. Now, just where are the mattresses and doormats and fertilizer you were defending? No where of course. She is a holohugger and she lied about the mattresses and fertilizer. She knew was lying and you know she was lying. But of course we do know that some silly jews have buried soap. It there no limit to their stupidity? >As to the issue of the use of human hair taken from concetration camp >inmates, as well as the murdered victims, please visit: > >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/use-of-hair >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/documents/no-1257 As we ALL KNOW no actual item made of human hair has ever been found. Yet Nizkor would rather pretend that claims of hair being used stands when there is not one bit of physical evidence that it was ever used. NOT ONE item ever found. >As to the issue of the bones of the murdered victims and their being used >for fertilizer: >The bones of the victims were pulverized so they would not be recognized >as bones. The reason for this, according to Ho"ss, was that shortly after >Himmler's summer of 1942 visit to Auschwitz Himmler gave the order for the >mass graves (which contained about 100,000 corpses) be opened and the >corpses cremated. The order further stated that all the ashes be disposed >of >so that later it could not be determined how many victims were killed. >(_Death Dealer_, p.33.) Obviously, Himmlers orders were left standing >for the remainder of Auschwitz's operation. Simply that Hoess recounts the impossible does not make it possible. You lying holohuggers can not be as stupid as you pretend. >Just as obviously, disposing of the victims' remains to hide the fact that >at Auschwitz, for example, the hundreds of thousands of people were >murdered in homicidal gas chambers would have hardly made sense if the >Nazis allowed tons of intact and recognizable human bones to be openly >scattered across the fields- and paths. Ergo, the bones were pulverized. According to the official story the sieve as 1 cm. That leaves them perfectly recognizable as bone. Not only that, even as a powder, it is perfectly recognizable. Do you think everyone is as ignorant as you of what slaked bones look like? >But why scatter gritty ashes across the fields? Hardly surprising, aside >from the Nazi intent to hide their heinous deed, when one remembers that >many of the satellite camps of Auschwitz were farm steads and agricultural >research camps. Ash, of course, especially bone ash (which is mainly >calcium phosphate), makes great fertilizer. (Same for bone meal, i.e. >finely ground bone, which is used even today as an animal feed stock and >fertilizer.) > >bone ash - A white ash consisting primarily of tribasic calcium phosphate >obtained by burning bones in air; used in cleaning jewelry and in some >pottery. Except that we have been over this many months ago and EVERY holohugger at that time when it pleased them to support a different claim, agreed that the bones were thrown into the river. Now you suddenly want to support the claim that they were used for fertilizer. Why would you want to do that? Do you really think the "river" story that was so vigorously defended has been forgotten? And if not, where were you when the river story was being defended? Why were you not honest enough to speak up then? Sorry, I should have known not to expect honesty from you. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:42:31 PST 1996 Article: 80249 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: [Repost] Tom Moran: A Chronicle of Lies (Month 10) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 12:01:39 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 22 Message-ID: <328dac8b.40063668@news.gte.net> References: <56hifo$50n@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 15 Nov 1996 03:00:08 -0800, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >As Mr. Moran seems to have difficulty substantiating his >claims, it is clearly important to remind him of those which >remain unproven. This file is maintained by the author, Marty >Kelley, and will be published monthly to the net on an >automated basis. The file will be updated by the author as >often as Mr. Moran makes claims he cannot, or will not, >substantiate. McVay is holobuggering scum that hides behind a mail drop and a synagoge phone number. He is a disgrace to the integritty of the US Marines. But then, he is a holobugger so he has no integrity. He is useless scum like Grynspam and David Dahlman. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From pj@o.rourke Tue Nov 19 06:42:31 PST 1996 Article: 80266 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: view ourselves Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 07:24:45 GMT Organization: pot'o'gold Lines: 239 Message-ID: <328d6a62.23126885@news.gte.net> References: <56hav3$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: pj@o.rourke NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228004.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:18:59 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <56hav3$hqb@news3.gte.net>, *@*.* wrote: > >> Consider this newsgroup as part of a self help therapy for jews. >> >> Jews need to understand that they are members of a very primitive >form of tribal >> organization. >> >> Jews need to understand that there were never any Hebrews in Egypt. > >And your proof for this assertion, Mr. Giwer, is... ? Well thank you for the opportunity to restate the obvious. There is no sign of it in any aspect of Hebrew language or culture. It is like all American Blacks going back to Africa and there instantly being no signs of their having been in America for centuries. But you know that you sillly goose. >> Jews need to understand that they are members of a religion that >started AFTER >> Christianity and have no relationship to anything in the Jewish bible as >it was >> superceded by their current religion. Jews must understand that their >> connection with the Jewish bible is no different from the Christian or Muslim >> connection with it. >> >And your proof for this assertion, Mr. Giwer, is....? Alec Grynspan, among others, has posted it, you silly goose. >> Jews need to remember that only a very few have birth connection >with Israel or >> the middle east and that the few that do have such connections have it only by >> tribalistic, i.e, racist, connections. >> >And your proof for this assertion, Mr. Giwer, is....? Alec Grynspan among others have posted this, you silly goose. >> Jews need to realize they are no better than anyone else and that >there are >> really stupid jews out there and the really stupid ones still believe in their >> Torah and their Talmud and their traditions., > >As opposed to the REALLY STUPID gentiles who believe people like Matt Giwer. People are free to decide on their own what people are like. Most are smart enough not to confuse the message and the messanger but for those holohuggers and jews who are not that smart ... What holohuggers are like

    What holohuggers are like

          The follow are examples of holohugger support of their private holocaust.

    Yale F. Edeiken

    • You are an amazing little animal, nazi boy. This might come as a schock to you but, by and large, Americans are quite happy with out country.
    • Still no answer. And not even true. By the way nazi boy, a Danish friend of has pointed out that Krieberg is not really a Danish name. If you nazi laws are put into effect, you might be one of those rounded up for a concentration camp.
    • The sales of collanders and tinfoil would go through the roof and claimants brandishing deeds to the Brooklyn Bridge would overwhem the courts.
      Only a bigoted idiot like Moran could have taken it seriously.
    • Sure, Matty poo. That's why you're posting uder your real name.
      Please do your nazi routine about your own country.
    Charles R.L. Power
    • It's understandable that being another brain-dead little Hitler-sucking Nazi-wannabe, you would sum up what I said as something I didn't say at all. Comprehension disorder seems to be a required qualification for getting into the denier club.
    Maurice Samuels
    • "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, p. 155).
    William C. Anderson
    • Good, Mr. Kreiberg. The mask is off. Will you now stop denying that you're a nazi?
    • Oh, Kurt... this is really sad. I mean, I knew you were a Nazi, but I used to think you were a smart Nazi.
    • Yes, this is true. Just the other day, I bought a product without the kosher stamp on it, and Mossad agents broke down my door and took the "kosher tax" anyway.
    Samuel Gringauz
    • Most of the memoirs and reports are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."
      Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65.
    Annie Alpert, OFB (Order of Fat Broad, don't ask me, she is proud of it)
    • Oh, ha ha! Jew-big-noses jokes! What a card you are!
    Mark Van Alstine
    • He will, as soon as his balls drop....
    • Ah, Herr Wankermeister! Still haven't got your rabies shot yet, eh? Pity. Oh, don't forget to wipe the foam off your chin... it's so unseemly.
    • Obviously, Herr Wankermeister is sharing whatever swill of the week the gonadotoxic Giwer-swine is guzzling. The fallacy of this particular denier lie has already been exposed by Mr. McCarthy or the duplicitous sham it is:
    Gord McFee
    • If you really care about Mr. Giwer, and are not just trolling here, read the record and get the man help. He is not well.
    Michael P. Stein
    • Does anyone else notice that the above paragraph is written in post-hooch Giwerundean? (But only early post-hooch Giwerundean.)
    Chuck Ferree
    • Hey aryan, I'm enclosing my two dollars toward your bus fare to where ever the hell you wanna go, pal. Just so long as you leave the United States of America, it'll be fine with me. And take your two natsie friends with ya. O.K. ?
    >Sara You need to join OSG, Order of Silly Geese. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From impoverished@shtetl.com Tue Nov 19 06:42:32 PST 1996 Article: 80284 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: not pig shit, energy! Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:39:04 GMT Organization: Schwitzerland Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3290f442.3511739@news.gte.net> Reply-To: impoverished@shtetl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228169.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Perhaps it should be called chutzpah or identified that chutzpah is pig shit. The amusing thing is that they actually think it is an admirable quality and cultivate it. In fact it is as annoying as pig shit. From those poor eastern european jews with billions in cash assets alone to he attacked us but we were not Stalinists, the claim of anything beneficial to jews is presented without consideration for the facts. They are very like the Clinton White House, every morning they ask themselves the question, How can we fool the people today? And in that analogy (substitute Gingrich if you like) is the substance of the organized Jewish movement. It is not substantive but political. Rather than defensive, it is aggressive. Like AIPAC, it actively seeks to promote and advance jews as a group in the face of other but unorganized groups. Their groups are no different from the aggressive black organizations such as the NAACP and NOI. Yet the aggressive promotion of Jewish interests is described as combating prejudice. This is what is known as pig shit, or chutzpah or energy. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From impoverished@shtetl.com Tue Nov 19 06:42:33 PST 1996 Article: 80286 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:51:47 GMT Organization: Schwitzerland Lines: 57 Message-ID: <32910fbb.9987122@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559u0o$1m2s@news.gate.net> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <327fdff5.15295167@news.demon.co.uk> <55vq3q$7ir@panix2.panix.com> <847587955.17669.0@perdrix.demon.co.uk> <7T9xRBAru6hyEwfJ@bebbo.demon.co.uk> <56hb0v$hqb@news3.gte.net> <328e61b9.86445468@news.gte.net> <328fe88c.56686554@news.gte.net> <7z9xZJA+sKkyEw1x@bebbo.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: impoverished@shtetl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228169.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:30:22 +0000, Dene Bebbington wrote: >Full Name wrote: >>On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:36:40 +0000, Dene Bebbington >> wrote: >> >>>prince wrote: >>>["liar, liar, pants on fire" retort snipped] >>> >>>>http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html >>>>http://www.codoh.com/ >>> >>>I notice the IHR URL is gone, is this while you try to work out what IHR >>>means? Judging by your inability to check facts or do research I suppose >>>that we'd better not hold our breath waiting. >> >> I didn't know you cared, stupid limey. >[copious amounts of URLs snipped] >> >>http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website > >Yep, he still doesn't know what IHR stands for. Why would it matter? Rather what is the point of even raising the issue? Rather more interestingly is that only a year ago there were only three or four revisionist sites. Now they are coming on line about one a month. Even more interesting, they are not redundant. They do not repeat the information of others as do the holobugger sites. They are not interested in having unorganized megabytes as an indication of stature. Additionally many of these new sites have been established by those with no external agenda, only revisionism. The times are changing. There are enough now that there are not enough holobuggers around to attack all of their ISPs. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From impoverished@shtetl.com Tue Nov 19 06:42:34 PST 1996 Article: 80287 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:54:42 GMT Organization: Schwitzerland Lines: 42 Message-ID: <329112c7.10767771@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559u0o$1m2s@news.gate.net> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <55dqh0$klm@Networking.Stanford.EDU> <327d30de.8680278@news.demon.co.uk> <847905148.2404.11@vertigo.combase.com> <3295a281.8973673@news.demon.co.uk> <2ghCdWASmZjyEw9w@bebbo.demon.co.uk> <328ee8ce.92201330@news.micron.net> Reply-To: impoverished@shtetl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228169.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:36:43 +0000, Dene Bebbington wrote: >Kurt Stele wrote: >>On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:38:10 +0000, Dene Bebbington >> wrote: >> >>>Indeed, Giwer doesn't seem keen on admitting his guilt, but then he >>>isn't part of the group that could be described as "decent people". >> >>Moral assessments are meaningless from an odious prig who actually >>considers criminalizing revisionism a valid measure. > >Which is somewhat less odious than your attempts at whitewashing what >the Nazi's did during WWII. They lost. The Nazi Party is gone, forever. What does it matter? Is hate required in addition to facts? Why are you not upset that Napolean's evil and villiany has been "whitewashed"? ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:42:35 PST 1996 Article: 80294 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: I have to admit Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:48:21 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 17 Message-ID: <328e81cc.94656811@news.gte.net> References: <328c4fd5.82838708@news.gte.net> <56kpvm$jn2@lendl.cc.emory.edu> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 16 Nov 1996 16:26:30 GMT, libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote: >Leprechaun (pj@o.rourke) wrote: > >: Netcom Canada is scum of the earth lying shitfaced jewhugging, >: holohugging shit. The organization is composed of anmals and/or jews >: if there is a difference as there is no difference be the behavior. > >Matt, GET OFF THE SAUCE! Again a holohugger spreading malicious libel solely for the purpose of spreading it. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:42:36 PST 1996 Article: 80295 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:47:59 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 23 Message-ID: <328e77b6.92074732@news.gte.net> References: <326d3736.19315447@news.spry.com> <54qlmr$2ml@juliana.sprynet.com> <32730344.2349581@news.awinc.com> <556fkk$119o@news.gate.net> <56haus$hqb@news3.gte.net> <328cb825.8493407@news.spry.com> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:37:48 GMT, klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote: >On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:41 GMT, *@*.* (* *) wrote: > > > >> You have a bigger site to fear "real soon." > >The only thing to fear from you, little man, is exceptionally >poor taste and bad grammar. Poor taste? If you do not like what I post or how I post, do not read it. Plenty of people have explained how to filter me out. >Botbait: mgiwer@gte.net (Matt Giwer) Are you announcing your intention of harrassing GTE? Will you leaving the mailbombs to Grynspam this time or will you try it on your own? ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:42:36 PST 1996 Article: 80296 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine? Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:47:50 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 194 Message-ID: <328e76eb.91871894@news.gte.net> References: <54fvdl$jb6@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <326DABCF.4464A533@vertigo.combase.com> <56hapj$hqb@news3.gte.net> <56kuo7$4sl@bell.maths.tcd.ie> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 16 Nov 1996 17:47:51 -0000, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >*@*.* (* *) writes: >> Totally untrue but you are a known liar. > > Hello, Pinocchio! Who that might be is your surmise only. Wassamatta? Did the Nizkook assign you sorting out duties? What holohuggers are like
    What holohuggers are like

          The follow are examples of holohugger support of their private holocaust.

    Yale F. Edeiken

    • You are an amazing little animal, nazi boy. This might come as a schock to you but, by and large, Americans are quite happy with out country.
    • Still no answer. And not even true. By the way nazi boy, a Danish friend of has pointed out that Krieberg is not really a Danish name. If you nazi laws are put into effect, you might be one of those rounded up for a concentration camp.
    • The sales of collanders and tinfoil would go through the roof and claimants brandishing deeds to the Brooklyn Bridge would overwhem the courts.
      Only a bigoted idiot like Moran could have taken it seriously.
    • Sure, Matty poo. That's why you're posting uder your real name.
      Please do your nazi routine about your own country.
    Charles R.L. Power
    • It's understandable that being another brain-dead little Hitler-sucking Nazi-wannabe, you would sum up what I said as something I didn't say at all. Comprehension disorder seems to be a required qualification for getting into the denier club.
    Maurice Samuels
    • "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, p. 155).
    William C. Anderson
    • Good, Mr. Kreiberg. The mask is off. Will you now stop denying that you're a nazi?
    • Oh, Kurt... this is really sad. I mean, I knew you were a Nazi, but I used to think you were a smart Nazi.
    • Yes, this is true. Just the other day, I bought a product without the kosher stamp on it, and Mossad agents broke down my door and took the "kosher tax" anyway.
    Samuel Gringauz
    • Most of the memoirs and reports are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."
      Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65.
    Annie Alpert, OFB (Order of Fat Broad, don't ask me, she is proud of it)
    • Oh, ha ha! Jew-big-noses jokes! What a card you are!
    Mark Van Alstine
    • He will, as soon as his balls drop....
    • Ah, Herr Wankermeister! Still haven't got your rabies shot yet, eh? Pity. Oh, don't forget to wipe the foam off your chin... it's so unseemly.
    • Obviously, Herr Wankermeister is sharing whatever swill of the week the gonadotoxic Giwer-swine is guzzling. The fallacy of this particular denier lie has already been exposed by Mr. McCarthy or the duplicitous sham it is:
    Gord McFee
    • If you really care about Mr. Giwer, and are not just trolling here, read the record and get the man help. He is not well.
    Michael P. Stein
    • Does anyone else notice that the above paragraph is written in post-hooch Giwerundean? (But only early post-hooch Giwerundean.)
    Chuck Ferree
    • Hey aryan, I'm enclosing my two dollars toward your bus fare to where ever the hell you wanna go, pal. Just so long as you leave the United States of America, it'll be fine with me. And take your two natsie friends with ya. O.K. ?
    ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:42:37 PST 1996 Article: 80298 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: A pimple on the ass of Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:48:14 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 19 Message-ID: <328e7b62.93014883@news.gte.net> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 I have noticed that from the few I have seen but ... they appear to be rather old. I have not been able to make out the copyright date on them yet. However, the older US stuff was also in proportion to the events. Whatever the holocaust was, even at its professed worst, it was still a pimple on the ass of the war. It is only in the last 10-15 years that the holocaust thing has achieved its hugely out of proportion status. Consider that making a new movie about a WW II battle would be considered anachronistic. Even a new movie on Vietnam would be. But Schlindler's List? That gets rave reviews because of its subject matter rather than for any entertainment or even artistic reason. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:42:38 PST 1996 Article: 80299 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!EU.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Tom Moran: "Revisionist" Wacko Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:47:43 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 81 Message-ID: <328e7145.90425773@news.gte.net> References: <568vui$8ri@news.enter.net> <328e22f3.41543112@news.micron.net> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 >On 12 Nov 1996 04:54:42 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: > >> One of the consistent claims of the "revisionists' is that they just want >>everybody to examine the murder of millions of Jews just as any other historical >>event is analyzed. The problem is, of course, that they do not do so. No clearer >>example of this can be found than the Tom Moran, whose writings are redolent of >>anti-Semitism. Recently Moran, like most other scoundrels do eventually, wrapped >>himself in the American flag and, dishing out his usual reeking stew of lies and >>bigotry, used the stay of the Continental Army at Valley Forge as a springboard for >>his criticism of Jews. >> >> The winter encampment at Valley Forge from December 1777 through >>June 1778 is indeed a crucial event in American history. According to >>conventional historians it was there that the Continental Army finally took form as a >>coherent fighting force. Without that encampment the Revolution would have >>failed. It can be said that if it can be proved that the Valley Forge story is a lie, the >>American War for Independence can be exposed as well as a lie. It is good that you bring up Valley Forge as it will be an object lesson for you in revisionism. The Myth of Valley Forge This may appear to be a bit out of place but when people are looking for help, they tell the darnedest stories. Every good American knows the story of Washington's army overwintering at Valley Forge. Many of the troops died of starvation and of cold. Stories of the suffering have lived in American history ever since. But there is one problem with the story, the Valley Forge area had a mild winter with almost no snow. Not one soldier died of starvation or cold. So who started the story? General George Washington of course. It seems the good general was unhappy with the support he was getting >from the Continental Congress. In order to increase that support he created the stories that he believed would motivate congress to do what he wanted. It worked, only too well. So too Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandel may have been doing the same thing when he wrote about the things that were happening to Jews. [The link in the last paragraph refers to the man in the cave outside Lublin in 1944 who is trying to get the Zionists in Palestine to help the Jews in Eastern Europe instead of spending their money to buy land. Full document upon requiest.] ===== Now here you see a deliberate exaggeration on the part George "I can not tell a lie" [another myth] Washington. It was not the event itself but rather the exaggeration of the event that for so long was unassailable US history. However, now that this is commonly discussed no one is saying that it in any manner questions whether or not there was either a revolution or a winter encampment at Valley Forge. On the other hand, holohuggers deliberately malign anyone who questions the gassing deaths (just like questioning the starvation and cold deaths at Valley Forge) by going though the same silly exaggeration you attempted regarding the American revolution. It simply is not true. You folks know it is not true. Yet you post the allegation as though it were true. Why are you folks so dishonest as to post what you know is false? And what does it matter if there were no Valley Forge deaths from cold and starvation or A-B deaths from gassing? That is such a minor point that it is hardly worth all the hassle when there are still to be found 10,000,000 bodies in mass graves all over easter europe. To me, those ten million are the interesting question. Where the hell are those bodies? those tens of thousands of graves? Where are they hidden? ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:42:39 PST 1996 Article: 80300 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine? Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:47:47 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 22 Message-ID: <328e7692.91783135@news.gte.net> References: <54fvdl$jb6@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <326DABCF.4464A533@vertigo.combase.com> <56hap8$hqb@news3.gte.net> <888_9611161707@tor250.org> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 16 Nov 96 16:50:01, alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote: ><*[*] [*] [* *] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> ><+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [15 Nov 96 >03:47][*][0]*> > > > of Cybergate that caused the problem. Specifically she has > > agreed to testify against you for interference with > > a contractual relationship. > >Here go the law suit threats again! > >Feeble, matt, feeble! I do not see a threat there. But she has agreed. Why would she not agree to telling the truth, particularly when she is in charge of security and she had to deal with the mailbombs you folks were sending? ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:42:40 PST 1996 Article: 80301 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (Month Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:48:10 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 20 Message-ID: <328e79fe.92658365@news.gte.net> References: <328e1f85.40664373@news.micron.net> <56l8js$dj8@news.enter.net> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 16 Nov 1996 20:36:12 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: > > >> Yale, for the sake of even what little credibility you don't have do >> you want to retract your lie that the Freeman brothers were NA members >> or not? > > Why should I retract the truth, nazi boy. I repeat: they swore to it under >oath. The prosecutors accepted it as true. The court accepted it as true. That >is one side. On the other side, we have a a phony denial from you writing under a >psuedonym. Gee, they give testimony at arraignment hearing in Montana these days? But it was on CNN so it has to be true. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:42:40 PST 1996 Article: 80302 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Bye, Bye, "Master Plan"? Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:48:16 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 35 Message-ID: <328e805e.94290681@news.gte.net> References: <328e83b3.273361@199.0.216.204> <32949867.5573294@199.0.216.204> <328e2575.42185408@news.micron.net> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 20:40:51 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote: >Nizkook acolyte and resident sewage engineer Mark Van Alstine wrote in >another impotent flurry: > >>bone ash - A white ash consisting primarily of tribasic calcium phosphate >>obtained by burning bones in air; used in cleaning jewelry and in some >>pottery. >> >>calcium phosphate - 1. Any phosphate of calcium. 2. Any of the following >>three calcium orthophosphates, all of which are white or colorless in pure >>form: Ca(H2PO4)2 is used as a fertilizer, as a plastics stabilizer, and in >>baking powder, and is also know as acid calcium phosphate, calcium >>dihydrogen phosphate, monobasic calcium phosphate, monocalcium phosphate; >>CaHPO4 is uded in pharmaceuticals, animal feeds, and toothpastes, and is >>also known as calcium hydrogen phosphate, dibasic calcium phosphate, >>dicalcium orthophosphate, dicalcium phosphate; Ca3(PO4)2 is used as a >>fertilizer, and is also known as tribasic calcium phosphate, tricalcium >>phosphate. >> >>_McGraw-Hill Dictionary of Chemical Terms_. > >GOSH. Look at all those big scientific words Van Smallstine just >quoted. The Holofraud really must be true after all! (snicker) And if you were to ask him about those words, not matter what stupid thing he says about them, the "chemists" here will support him despite their "profession" and with the complete lack of intellectual honesty that is the common denominator of holohuggers. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From email@add.ress Tue Nov 19 06:42:41 PST 1996 Article: 80305 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: email@add.ress (Full Name) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:40:11 GMT Organization: Organization Lines: 54 Message-ID: <328fe88c.56686554@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559u0o$1m2s@news.gate.net> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <327fdff5.15295167@news.demon.co.uk> <55vq3q$7ir@panix2.panix.com> <847587955.17669.0@perdrix.demon.co.uk> <7T9xRBAru6hyEwfJ@bebbo.demon.co.uk> <56hb0v$hqb@news3.gte.net> <328e61b9.86445468@news.gte.net> Reply-To: email@add.ress NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228045.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:36:40 +0000, Dene Bebbington wrote: >prince wrote: >["liar, liar, pants on fire" retort snipped] > >>http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html >>http://www.codoh.com/ > >I notice the IHR URL is gone, is this while you try to work out what IHR >means? Judging by your inability to check facts or do research I suppose >that we'd better not hold our breath waiting. I didn't know you cared, stupid limey. http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From email@add.ress Tue Nov 19 06:42:42 PST 1996 Article: 80306 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: email@add.ress (Full Name) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:42:36 GMT Organization: Organization Lines: 48 Message-ID: <328fe8f4.56790692@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559u0o$1m2s@news.gate.net> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <327fdff5.15295167@news.demon.co.uk> <55vq3q$7ir@panix2.panix.com> <847587955.17669.0@perdrix.demon.co.uk> <7T9xRBAru6hyEwfJ@bebbo.demon.co.uk> <56hb0v$hqb@news3.gte.net> <328e61b9.86445468@news.gte.net> <328f897a.173294928@news.txdirect.net> Reply-To: email@add.ress NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228045.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:45:20 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote: >On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:02:24 GMT, fred@frog.net (prince) wrote: > >>On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:21:17 +0000, Dene Bebbington >> wrote: >> >>>soc.culture.jewish trimmed from followup. >>> >>>* * <*@*.*> wrote: >>>>Dene Bebbington wrote: >>>[snipped for brevity] > >>>> >>>> You SILLY, STUPID TWIT! They were "detected" because I deliberately >>>>left my sig file the same. > >Yes, yes, we have all heard that one before. Wasn't it Pee Wee Herman >who said, "I _meant_ to do that" in his last picture? > >Sure, sure... Another silly little jew holohugger. Acting like a jew stereotype too. >Harry W. Mazal OBE > >Nizkor (USA) The Maildrop of the Holocaust ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From impoverished@shtetl.com Tue Nov 19 06:42:43 PST 1996 Article: 80321 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stock.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!snunews.snu.ac.kr!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Swiss Banking issue Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 04:45:47 GMT Organization: Schwitzerland Lines: 153 Message-ID: <329128d8.16416533@news.gte.net> References: <3290e77f.244196@news.gte.net> <329094FD.5450@rio.com> Reply-To: impoverished@shtetl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229022.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:55:25 +0000, Chuck Ferree wrote: >Chuck Ferree writes: > > >Swiss bank billions wrote: > >Sure he (it) did!!! >> >> Were there a need for another example of chutzpah, consider the >> Swiss Banks. > >Yeah, let's do that, but let's also remember that the Swiss banks >played the Nazi's game. No one denies that there were wealthy Jews, >some of those wealthy Jews had the forsight to place some of their >money and assets in Swiss banks. Excuse me but we are talking cash assets only here. We are not talking about the value of any other asset. Then most of them were murdered by >the Nazis. The Nazis also ripped off every Jewish person, rich or >poor, took their worldly possessions, and placed that loot in Swiss >banks. Then after killing millions by gassing and other means, the >Nazis yanked the gold teeth from the dead mouths melted it down and >eventually this also ended up in Swiss banks. Never thought of it before did you? >The Swiss banks have been the hiding place for stolen fortunes for >many years, and the Swiss banks are still the hiding place for stolen >assets which rightfully belong to other people. The Swiss banks have >used the assets stolen from Jewish people to make billions of more >profit. The fortunes deposited in Swiss banks by the Nazis, billions >more have been used by the Swiss banks to make even more profit. After fifty years of searching and releasing funds you suddenly expect this latest round to be the richest of them all? >> For decades now we have been treated to the image of a poor >> downtrodden people who had lived for centuries under the oppression of >> christians in law and custom. > >Really? Where did you get this mis-information? Some were, some were >successful business and professional people How about Schindler's List for a start? Fiddler on the Roof for another. Name all the popular media references to rich jews you have ever seen. Name even three, two or how about even one? To qualify for a prize in this contest you must cite a source that specifically highlights the person being jewish and that being directly related to his being successful/rich/something similar. You must be able to name at least one. >> There they were living their modest lives in their humble shtetls >> just trying get by in life with their meager earnings. > >Absolutely true for most European Jews. They are the ones with the billions in cash assets I am talking about. > Then along >> came the Nazis and unpleasant things were done to them. > >You better believe it, because that's exactly what happened. Things so >"unpleasant" they boggle a normal mind. You are rather boggled in the normal course of events. >> Is that about the same image you have? > >That's the correct image. No doubt about it. >> >> But now we find that before those unpleasant things happened, these >> humble people transferred BILLIONS of dollars in cash assets to >> foreign banks. >That's your perception, which is wrong!!! The poor humble Jews >couldn't have transferred billions any place because they didn't have >billions in the first place. Excuse me but you should be following the news. The World Jewish Congress is, as we speak, on another rage against Swiss Banks for still holding, AFTER fifty years of finding and releasing assets, BILLIONS of dollars of the assets of those "poor" people. But I agree with you, they could not have transferred such billions as they did not have those billions in the first place. So answer me this, why does the World Jewish Congres claim that it actually happened? >> Does anyone see anything wrong with this picture? Something a >> little contradictory here? > > >Not at all. As explained above. Who says BILLIONS? The World Jewish Congress of course. Senator D'Amato of NY has also made the claim. You really should pay attention to what is going on in the news. >> But there is fifty to sixty years of compound interest, right? Not >> in Switerland. > >Oh yeah who says? The Swiss banks aren't run by a bunch of dummies. >Whatever the market will bear, that's the interest they charge. > > > Swiss banks pay around 2.5% simple interest. Deposits >> in Swiss banks have to be denominated in Swiss francs in order to >> maintain a modest increase. > >You a Swiss banker? If so cough up the money which belongs to other >people including the billions stolen from Jews from all over Europe, >and give it to their heirs. You have plenty of free time. Look into what Swiss banks pay and get back to me. >> Properly managed and redeposited the money would have a bit more >> than doubled. Swiss accounts are not attractive because of their high >> earnings. > >Why were they so attractive to Nazis and other crooks? Still are. One >reason is they don't ask a whole bunch of questions. They deal with >drug money, Nazi money stolen from Jews and others. Why is this so >difficult for deniers to understand? I am only talking about the claim being made right now by the WJC. If you wish to bring up something else, do so in a separate message thread. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Sid@Yid.verycom Tue Nov 19 06:42:44 PST 1996 Article: 80332 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!uw-beaver!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: Sid@Yid.verycom (Sidney the Yid) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Violates His User Agreement with GTE Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:48:54 GMT Organization: Hollywood Lines: 39 Message-ID: <32903d40.78016129@news.gte.net> References: <328eb232.105725571@news.gte.net> <56nbb7$um@news.enter.net> Reply-To: Sid@Yid.verycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228028.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 17 Nov 1996 15:35:03 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> email@add.ress (Full Name) writes: > >> And of course like a jew he called netcom and repeated this lie to >> them. Bearing false witness is a tradition among jews. The law does >> not apply when such things are done to Gentiles as YFE is proving. > > > As it was true and Netcom found it to be so. They got rid of you. It was true that you bore false witness and convinced them my your false witness you lying little jewish pig shit. > P.S. According to the user agreeement that GTE sent me, posting >under a name other than that in which the account is maintained is improper. > > I guess it's time for another e-mail to GTE. Again you are a lying little pig shit jew. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From impoverished@shtetl.com Tue Nov 19 06:42:45 PST 1996 Article: 80335 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.datasync.com!news-out.internetmci.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!dciteleport.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: ihr7 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 06:00:16 GMT Organization: Schwitzerland Lines: 39 Message-ID: <32914c8f.25559403@news.gte.net> References: <56hau8$hqb@news3.gte.net> <328d7dcf.741808541@news.micron.net> <328DCE9E.3ED9@rio.com> <848252218.26512.6@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: impoverished@shtetl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229022.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 17 Nov 96 22:17:21, alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote: ><*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> ><+[Re: ihr7] [17 Nov 96 07:38][*][0]*> > > H> Were the corpses disposed of with a method that did not use > H> conventional fuel, or was Wirth, or whoever quoted Wirth at the > H> time, lying or misinformed? > >Wood was not considered a "conventional fuel". There were very few >vehicles that used it and that was what a country at war considered >"real" fuel. > >But anyone not totally ignorant knew that. Gee, Grynspam. For at least two million years humans have been using wood for fuel and the "witness" claims wood is a "special method." This witness must have been named Grynspam to be so dumb. But then it has only been two million years. Perhaps the Grynspams are not out of the trees yet. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From impoverished@shtetl.com Tue Nov 19 06:42:46 PST 1996 Article: 80336 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!hookup!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Numero Uno Witness - Torture/Confession/Admissions Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 07:24:22 GMT Organization: Schwitzerland Lines: 70 Message-ID: <32915d73.29883264@news.gte.net> References: <329d92a7.7867237@199.0.216.204> <56qeuf$2q4@news.enter.net> <32914527.106598136@news.txdirect.net> Reply-To: impoverished@shtetl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228137.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 05:33:49 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote: >On 18 Nov 1996 19:54:55 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: > >>> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: >>> >>> >>> Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Hoss is often cited as one of the most >>> important witnesses to the "Holocaust," if not the most important. His >>> affidavit and testimony were quoted extensively both by the >>> prosecution and in the judgment of the International Military >>> Tribunal at Nuremberg. >> >> Oh, Tommy. You better check your sources again. Hoess was a >>witness for the *defense* at Nurmeberg. > > >Mr. Edeiken makes a very valid point. If Mr.Moran is truly interested >in this subject perhaps he would be so kind as to hunt up the >testimony that Hoess (or Ho"ss) freely gave to the American >interrogators. When he was interrogated by the Americans he was not >tortured, threatened nor badgered. Yet this testimony (copies of >which are posessed by many of the more dedicated readers of this >newsgroup) is very much the same as what Hoess said in his >autobiography quite some time later. You say he was not tortured by the American interrogators. Yet that is merely your opinion. Considering that this was the time when the US police were into rubber hoses, bright lights and 24 interrogations of common burglars, would you go so far as to say that he was under no form of duress? And if so, why would you claim that he freely and openly recited the substance of his own death warrant? And considering that one of your infamous holobuggering associates on this conference claims to have participated in murdering the germans at Dachau, would you go so far as to say the Americans were not the type to torture? And as to your claim that Hoess in fact wrote an autobiography, why was it not introduced into evidence against him? And since it was not introduced into evidence against him, that left him exactly one month to produce it, between his conviction and his execution. Do you really read the work as a one month exercise under conditions of imminent death? Of course you may believe anything you wish but it is of interest you would have it be produced so quickly and under such circumstances and without one mention of the trials or his impending death in it. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From impoverished@shtetl.com Tue Nov 19 06:42:47 PST 1996 Article: 80340 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Hitler Talks About the Jews, I Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:11:00 GMT Organization: Schwitzerland Lines: 34 Message-ID: <32917979.37057403@news.gte.net> References: Reply-To: impoverished@shtetl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228137.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:25:41 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: >Speech by Hitler, January 31, 1939 >[Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals - >Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol XIII, p. 131] >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers >in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into >a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevization of the earth, >and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in >Europe! spam, spam, spam, spam, Lovely spam, glorious spam. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From impoverished@shtetl.com Tue Nov 19 06:42:48 PST 1996 Article: 80347 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Did Hitler Commit the Unforgivable Sin? Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:14:20 GMT Organization: Schwitzerland Lines: 28 Message-ID: <32917a49.37265733@news.gte.net> References: <56pird$elr@basement.replay.com> Reply-To: impoverished@shtetl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228137.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.white-power:49714 alt.revisionism:80347 On 18 Nov 1996 12:55:25 +0100, nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote: >Did Hitler Commit the Unforgivable Sin? > >No, not according to any generally accepted account of >history and the Christian religion. (See The Gospel.) Jews are not the forgiving type. IT is not in their religion, only vengence, blind, unyielding vengence. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Sid@Yid.verycom Tue Nov 19 06:42:49 PST 1996 Article: 80348 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: Sid@Yid.verycom (Sidney the Yid) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: A matter of links, Part 2 of 2 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:47:54 GMT Organization: Hollywood Lines: 177 Message-ID: <32900780.64256867@news.gte.net> References: <56ig1d$ao1@access5.digex.net> <19961116213800.QAA21094@ladder01.news.aol.com> <56ngec$blr@rks1.urz.tu-dresden.de> Reply-To: Sid@Yid.verycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228028.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 17 Nov 1996 17:02:04 GMT, uroess@urz.tu-dresden.de (Ulrich Roessler) wrote: >dvdthomas@aol.com wrote: > >: Reply to Mike Stein, 1 of 2, 11/16/96: > >: My view on labeling something a "lie" differs from that of some others in >: a way approaching what you'll observe in courtrooms in this country. You >: can know in your heart that somebody is damned well lying, maybe even in a >: situation working personal and financial detriment to yourself. But if >: you can get beyond the anger and defensiveness, you can really see how you >: _might_ be mistaken, that the person might have some personal >: justification which has turned their statement into a belief. As such, >: they're not liars, they are mistaken--or at worst, self-deluded. Sorry, >: but neither of these qualifies as lying (or perjury) and they are not >: deserving of those fairly serious epithets. A liar, in my book, is >: someone who in a cold, calculated and persistent manner presents knowingly >: false statements with the intent of misleading. One lie does not a liar >: make (because emotional context is important), it takes a pattern. (And >: here is an important dividing point--one supposed lie is enough for the >: label from a lot of quarters.) You say you have observed such patterns, >: and I do not question your observation beyond saying that I have not. In >: fairness, I will also say that I do not pay as much attention to things >: that are said in this forum. > >It should be noted that the usual "Revisionist" argument is routinely >put forth with charges of systematical and intended lies. All Jewish >and also all other witnesses are lying. This charge with respect to >surviving victims is often supplemented by the charge that they'd >do so to extort financial support: a horrendous accusation. >But, strangely, Mr DbtgThoms never denounced this here. Why is it so? > >Historians and other people doing documentations are also routinely >charged with knowing attempts to deceive and to forge. >(Recent example, M.Beaulieu on Lanzmann's interview with Suchomel). You do not appear to be paying attention to the discussion. You preconceptions are false. What they are charged with is pruning down the tens of millions of man-hours of war crimes evidence and testimony with their few thousand hours of research and arbitrarily rejecting what people who spent incomparably more time on the matter accepted. The only way they can do this is upon "credibility" and as such reject steaming, electrocution, suffocation and the like. The point being that if "credibility" is the criteria (and remember the war crime trial investigators had the actual people in hand to find the truth or falsity of their testimony and these two historians and the rest of these writers did not) then gassing can be subject to the same credibility criteria. As another example, even though the soviets had records that these writers are only getting their hands on today, the have spent the last 50 years summarily rejecting conclusions of the war crimes trials WITHOUT examining that evidence, as above steaming and the like. In some case, as in the particular one you are referring to, we have clear evidence of forgery and falsification. A hidden camera does NOT follow the man around the room, it does not zoom in for closeups and the unsuspecting person does not turn to look into it. That, if the interview is as described, is a clear deception by the interviewer. There are many other clear examples of this such as the evil Nazis almost always laughing just like Ming the Merciless, Fu Manchu, and other B-productions but which is not a reported behavior in real life by any kind of "monster" "sadist" or any other category save those in B movies, fiction in other words. We have recountings of what is clearly impossible such as hearing laughter from pilots flying overhead who were machinegunning a truck convoy driven by their own troops. We have recountings of bodies being burned by a "special method" ... "without fuel." We have recountings of HCN and CO being on the same order of lethality when they are not. When was is clearly false and impossible is presented as true revisionist have every right to say that there is deliberate deception involved. When the impossible is reported by a witness that only proves that the person was not a witness and is therefore lying. >Whole archives are said to be forged. If it is pointed out to the >"Revisionists" that this must amount to a huge conspiracy, i.e. that >this is another charge of sytematic lie, the matter is usually dropped, >and no attempt is made to explain, let alone justify, this very >serious charge. The ENTIRE archive that the Soviets wanted to present at the IMT to prove the Germans conducted the Katyn Woods massacre WAS forged. Yes, the was a huge Soviet conspiracy. Yes it was an attempt at a systematic lie. So why do you pretend such conspiracies do not exist when they clearly exist? How many other conspiracies would you like? How about the Gulf of Tonkin? At least one thousand people conspired in presenting that attack as actually having happened. Yet the first semi-official (still nothing official) was fron MacNamara's book last year. Ruby Ridge is a clear conspiracy to cover up the actions of the government including the destruction of evidence and perjury. There were at least one hundred people involved in that one. How about everyone who was working with Roosevelt to get the US into WW II? There is yet to be a definitive admission of that conspiracy, not one member has directly spoken of it, yet there were thousands involved. Please do not insult our intelligence by saying that it can not happen. We have seen it happen. >I have never heard Mr DbtgThomas commenting on that practise - >why is it so? Perhaps because the practice is in your mind? As we know the soviets attempted to introduce a massive amount of false evidence about Katyn Woods and since we know they also introduced all of the mass extermination stories and since we know that holocaust writers have rejected reams of testimony and evidence as false in pruning the story, why should the little bit that is left be in some manner sacrosanct and unquestionable? Who in the hell are these writers compared to the effort made by the conquering allies and their efforts? Where do they get off rejecting steaming just because it is ridiculous? Why can not other reject gassing on the same grounds, that it is ridiculous? Upon what grounds do you base your position? >: I have a different view of half-baked opinions put forth as fact--hell, >: they make up the bulk of what appears in alt.revisionism, and the >: majority, if not the bulk, of published literature on this subject. >And implicitly, by this unspecified characterization of the documentations >made available on a.r., Mr DbtgThomas echoes this charge, albeit >very smoothly speaking. I don't know whether he will ever explain with >regards to specific examples what would be in his opinion sufficient >evidence for a fact and where the half-baked opinions start. If he was >really interested in a serious investigation he should start finally >to explain his position as regards valid and invalid historiography. It is clear fact that has often been demonstrated in this newsgroup that when the "witnesses" provide enough detail to ascertain anything they contradict each other in fatal ways. It has also been demonstrated in this newsgroup that when there is enough physical detail presented by the witnesses to gassing that what they describe matches no presently identified "gas chamber." It has also been pointed out here that there is a complete lack of physical evidence for all of these deaths both in the tens of thousands of tons of bone as and the 10 million bodies in mass graves all over Eastern Europe. It has been pointed out that it is hard to have ten million dead without ten million bodies. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From impoverished@shtetl.com Tue Nov 19 06:42:50 PST 1996 Article: 80352 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Treblinka Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:26:18 GMT Organization: Schwitzerland Lines: 48 Message-ID: <32917ab5.37372947@news.gte.net> References: <56rdj4$jo8@Vir.com> Reply-To: impoverished@shtetl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228137.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:13:33 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article <56rdj4$jo8@Vir.com>, Jean-Francois Beaulieu wrote: > >> I've see many comments from people here who state that I'm taking >> up details without 'seing the evidence', while the evidence is that >> the camera wasn't hidden, but I'll ask you this question: >> >> For a 5,000 meter square area, how much deep would you have to dig if >you want >> to burry 800,000 persons? I've already done my calculus, the official >> version talk about a layer of sand and chlorine between each >> 'batch', but since you are so smarth: how much deep? >> >> 5000 meter suqare is the size given by the witness, an average. > >"East of the gas chambers, and close to them, were huge ditches for >burying the dead. The ditches were 50 meters long, 25 meters wide, and 10 >meters deep. They were dug by an excavator brought from the quarry at >Treblinka penal camp, and by the prisoners..." (Arad, _Belzac, Sobibor, >Treblinka: the Operation Reinhard death camps_, p.42.) By the aerial photos "east of the gas chambers" but as far away you could get from the five small buildings that formed Treblinks is exactly one (not they plural) rectangular area of disturbed earth. There being no other undisturbed ground. That makes it likely a vegetable garden. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From impoverished@shtetl.com Tue Nov 19 06:42:50 PST 1996 Article: 80353 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.fan.ernst-zundel Subject: Re: 961115: The Tale of the City of Nanaimo. Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:35:30 GMT Organization: Schwitzerland Lines: 42 Message-ID: <32917f20.38503962@news.gte.net> References: <56r4rl$scj@access5.digex.net> <32913305.19021351@news.gte.net> <56rlei$dk2@access4.digex.net> Reply-To: impoverished@shtetl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228137.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:80353 alt.fan.ernst-zundel:3113 On 19 Nov 1996 01:52:02 -0500, mstein@access4.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: >In article <32913305.19021351@news.gte.net>, >Swiss bank billions wrote: >>>>Ever since, we have linked with Nizkor on every one of our documents, >>>>stating "We do not recruit; we convince. Truth has no need of coercion. >>>>For relentless Holocaust promotion, on the other hand, contact Nizkor." >>> >>> This one is known as "poisoning the well." >> >> That would appear to assume facts not in evidence, that there is a >>true well and a false poison. If you are convinced of the current >>holocaust myth and can not question it, then this is not the >>conference for you. > > It is so much fun having discussion with illiterates. > > Read the Nizkor "fallacies" feature and see if you can learn >something. I do not bother with URL that are only maildrops and synagogue fronts. Such shams are not of interest. They have no standing. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From fred@frog.net Tue Nov 19 06:42:51 PST 1996 Article: 80370 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!torn!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!wizard.pn.com!news.gte.com!news-in.tiac.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: fred@frog.net (prince) Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.org.cia,alt.politics.org.fbi,sci.physics,alt.war,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Announce: Neutron Bomb--Its Unknown History and Moral Purpose Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:48:06 GMT Organization: kiss my ass Lines: 36 Message-ID: <328e7896.92298221@news.gte.net> References: <329185b8.790590@199.0.216.204> <328CCF2B.75AB@ix.netcom.com> <328fc15c.670799@199.0.216.204> Reply-To: fred@frog.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229174.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.libertarian:234348 alt.philosophy.objectivism:91754 alt.politics.org.cia:14958 alt.politics.org.fbi:6459 sci.physics:111688 alt.war:24219 alt.revisionism:80370 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 13:28:17 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote: >>tom moran wrote: >>> During the Gulf War build up, there appeared some 45 vcolumns in >>> the N.Y. and L.A. Times calling for the U.S. to bash Israel's enemy >>> Iraq. >>> >>> Of the 45 columns, 42 of them were by Jews. >>[snip] >> >>Do we smell a little anti-semitism here? After all, Iraq and the other >>Arab nations have sworn again and again since 1948 to 'push the Jews >>into the sea', and have tried to do so a number of times. Is it any >>wonder the Jews (I'm not Jewish) would have ill feelings toward Iraq? > > "Anti-Semitism" you "smell", you say? Maybe you can expand on it. > > > Maybe while your at that you could explain or excuse how it >happens that Jews who make up barely 2% of the American population >wrote 85% of the columns in the nations two largest newspapers calling >for war on Iraq, the enemy of the Jewish state of Israel. > > Are you going to say they submitted the stuff for the good of >America and it had nothing to do with personal ethnocentric motives? If the truth is unpleasant, attack the messenger. It is the holohugger way. But one thing never made sense to me, why was Israel threatening to nuke Iraq over its invasion of Kuwait? That was nearly the first official response. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ From impoverished@shtetl.com Tue Nov 19 06:42:53 PST 1996 Article: 80380 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.fan.ernst-zundel Subject: Re: 961109: David Irving banned from Australia Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 03:22:45 GMT Organization: Schwitzerland Lines: 53 Message-ID: <329123f8.15168527@news.gte.net> References: <328bcc66.50162563@news.gte.net> <9QYABYA1uZjyEw+L@bebbo.demon.co.uk> <328e5c5e.85075035@news.gte.net> <328ffa5f.60895677@news.gte.net> Reply-To: impoverished@shtetl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228116.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:80380 alt.fan.ernst-zundel:3115 On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 19:05:06 +0000, Dene Bebbington wrote: >Full Name1 wrote: >>On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:53:44 +0000, Dene Bebbington >> wrote: >> >>>prince wrote: >>>>On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:47:17 +0000, Dene Bebbington >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>* * <*@*.*> wrote: >>>>>> And what does this have to do with the Zionist minority determining >>>>>>who enters the country? >>>>> >>>>>Oh I see, out comes the old conspiracy cop out. >>>> >>>> It is the greater cop out not to answer the question. There is >>>>clearly no conspiracy as the actions are all out in the open. >>> >>>Okay, please furnish me with the evidence that the "Zionist minority" >>>are those who decided that David Irving couldn't enter Australia. >> >> They were the only ones whining. That greatly narrows down the >>list of suspects. > >Another example of Giwer's interest in truth, bluster and handwaving, >but no evidence as to why we should take this view seriously. You are not required to take anything seriously. However, before you make challenges you should look into matters for yourself. I have been following the issue for over a month via several people who provide copies of legitimate news sources. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From impoverished@shtetl.com Tue Nov 19 09:34:03 PST 1996 Article: 80395 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!uw-beaver!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 04:54:40 GMT Organization: Schwitzerland Lines: 65 Message-ID: <32913ca8.21488582@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <847634962.358.1@perdrix.demon.co.uk> <56i2r6$se3@access5.digex.net> <848094046.14332.7@vertigo.combase.com> <56ra3p$5cb@access5.digex.net> Reply-To: impoverished@shtetl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229022.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 18 Nov 1996 22:38:33 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: >In article <848094046.14332.7@vertigo.combase.com>, >Hardwire wrote: >>Michael P. Stein wrote: >> >>> The complaints to Mr. Giwer's ISPs were caused by his sending of >>> unsolicited email to the entire user base of Internet Direct, his posting >>> identical text to the newsgroup tens of times within the same week, his >>> mailing (twice) a five-megabyte file to Ken McVay after Mr. McVay had >>> specifically requested no email, and his forging the names and email >>> addresses of other real people to his articles. >> >>Except for the part about forging email addresses, I can relate. Marduk >>has found it seemingly hilarious to forward messages from this newsgroup >>to my mailbox repeatedly (A few days ago I deleted about 10 of them) >>after explicitly citing that I did not require nor desire a CC from the >>newsgroup in response to my posts. >> >>It's ok though, I've adopted the tactic of choice around here. From now >>on I'll be forwarding all aforementioned posts directly to >>abuse@netcom.com with my kindest regards. > > Fine by me. If you tell someone to stay out of your mailbox, and they >don't listen, you have good cause to complain to the ISP of the person >responsible for sending you the unwanted emails. I think you do need to >ask the person directly in email first, though - I don't think it's fair >to hold someone responsible for reading it in a post unless they are >bouncing your emails unread. But the problem is that Marduk draws his paycheck from netcom.ca and therefore no one stops him, making netcom.ca complicite in the actions. As you will remember, the hatesite www.babylonians.com was run by netcom.ca employees also. Nothing is beneath netcom.ca as they are not a responsible member of the internet community. For them, like Greenspam, a domain name is a liscense to abuse the net. > I must confess little surprised, though. That didn't _quite_ strike >me as Marduk's style. You know him? As he is into harrassing phonecalls of me and my family what is it that you think is his style? He behaves like jew scum. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From impoverished@shtetl.com Tue Nov 19 09:34:05 PST 1996 Article: 80396 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 'Ordinary Jews: Zionism's Willing Torturers' Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:25:00 GMT Organization: Schwitzerland Lines: 56 Message-ID: <32916e81.34249527@news.gte.net> References: <3298cf04.4166720@199.0.216.204> <56nutm$dk1@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU> Reply-To: impoverished@shtetl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228137.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 17 Nov 1996 13:09:10 -0800, rjg@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU (Richard J. Green) wrote: >In article <3298cf04.4166720@199.0.216.204>, >tom moran wrote: > >[Excerpt from article in N.Y.Times, Nov.16, 1996 as quoted by Mr. Moran >deleted.] > >> "Physical pressure" is torture. The Jewish state of Israel >>condones and even legalizes torture. The whole system is in on it. >>From the top to the bottom. >> >> But wait. Is Moran committing an "anti-Semitism" here? >> >> After all it is declared, "Anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism". > >I agree with Mr. Moran that physical pressure is torture and I agree >that it is despicable that the Israeli Government has condoned such a >practice. I am willing to bet that no one calls me an antisemite for >saying that. > >I find it interesting, however, that Mr. Moran chooses to focus on the >shortcomings of the Israeli Government. Just what are its "longcomings?" Perhaps, Mr. Moran would like >to comment on the use of torture by China, Guetamala or other countries. When they get $3B a year just for existing and stabbing us in the back we can talk about them. >By the way, what does this have to do with the historicity of the >holocaust? This is not a holocaust discussion group. So what does it matter? ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From impoverished@shtetl.com Wed Nov 20 06:01:25 PST 1996 Article: 80413 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.fan.ernst-zundel Subject: Re: 961115: The Tale of the City of Nanaimo. Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 06:04:21 GMT Organization: Schwitzerland Lines: 39 Message-ID: <32914da8.25839905@news.gte.net> References: <328d8fec.32737002@news.gte.net> Reply-To: impoverished@shtetl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229022.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:80413 alt.fan.ernst-zundel:3116 On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:55:51 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <328d8fec.32737002@news.gte.net>, pj@o.rourke wrote: > > >> As a matter of interest and on this subject there are people who >> hate me with a vengence but in fact respect me. Only two of them >> actively post here. The reason for the respect, however grudging, is >> that my name, address and phone number are openly available as public >> information. >> > >Mr. Giwer has said a mouthful. Of all the people he knows,there are only >two who respect him. on this subject there are people who >> hate me with a vengence but in fact respect me. Literate bitch lies again. She has be be jewish. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From email@add.ress Wed Nov 20 06:01:27 PST 1996 Article: 80418 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!news.fdt.net!news.atlantic.net!op.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: email@add.ress (Full Name) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Information for Holocaust Revisionists Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:57:49 GMT Organization: Organization Lines: 33 Message-ID: <328fecac.57388276@news.gte.net> References: <328c2b79.73530678@news.gte.net> <848098135.14332.16@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: email@add.ress NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228045.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 18:52:48 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: >Hardwire writes: > ># Gee, ya know, a concerted SHOUT is kind of FAR removed ># from simple laughter, > >Who said it was "simple laughter"? Most probably it >was a Nazi version of "yeee-haw" or something of the >sort. At at least 100 mph you stupid twit. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Sid@Yid.verycom Wed Nov 20 06:01:28 PST 1996 Article: 80422 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: Sid@Yid.verycom (Sidney the Yid) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,fl.general,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:49:18 GMT Organization: Hollywood Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3290d426.116645870@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559u0o$1m2s@news.gate.net> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <56har6$hqb@news3.gte.net> <56qhc0$4nm$1@gruvel.une.edu.au> Reply-To: Sid@Yid.verycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228028.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:92615 alt.revisionism:80422 On 18 Nov 1996 20:36:16 GMT, ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) wrote: >* * (*@*.*) wrote: >: >: Rather a silly little bitch promoting a jew agenda. >: > >I thought she was fat, not little, or am I >forgetting which ad hominem is directed at >whom? How about squat? ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:29 PST 1996 Article: 80425 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!EU.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Big brother Mcvay is watching Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:01:58 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 45 Message-ID: <32923bbb.36434279@news.gte.net> References: <32914d18.25696716@news.gte.net> <56spns$aac@bell.maths.tcd.ie> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229121.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 19 Nov 1996 17:11:24 -0000, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) writes: >> An erronious URL now means something to the terminally desperate. > > Awww... don't be so harsh on yourself Mattie... > > Derek > >Read the information the Giwer-troll fears: > >http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/ >http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html >http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html >http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/put-up-shut-up.html >http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/plagarized-01.html >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/antisemite >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse/ Nizkor The URL, the mail drop and the synagogue phone number. What has all the pretense of independence of Nizkor been about? ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:30 PST 1996 Article: 80430 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!visi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:21:06 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 42 Message-ID: <329240a5.37692555@news.gte.net> References: <56haq0$hqb@news3.gte.net> <56jhue$sp8@news.enter.net><56haq0$hqb@news3.gte.net> <56jhue$sp8@news.enter.net> <328eb9c3.107662611@news.gte.net> <56oae4$ln4$7@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229121.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 18 Nov 1996 00:25:40 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote: >In message <328eb9c3.107662611@news.gte.net> - email@add.ress (Full Name)Sun, >17 Nov 1996 11:56:52 GMT writes: >:> > >[deleted] > >:> The stereotypical litte jew boy. Bearing false witness against a >:>gentile where it is not a sin. Fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck >:>off, fuck off. Tell me all about it, jewboy. Report the crime you >:>cowardly litte jew. > >Another installment from the drunken Giwer-swine. > >You lost again, Mattie. > >:> FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF > >And more. This is the guy that controls the newsgroup? };-> And now mcfly supports the cowardly lying jew scum. You have certainly chosen your side unwisely. YFE is lying. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:30 PST 1996 Article: 80439 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:17:52 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 57 Message-ID: <32923f8d.37412658@news.gte.net> References: <848411233.5240.2@vertigo.combase.com> <56solp$jse@news.enter.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229121.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 19 Nov 1996 16:53:13 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> Hardwire writes: > > >> He clearly states that "What the criminal Giwer did was a crime." >> PERIOD. He has accused Giwer of a crime, and I have clearly stated that >> he should take legal action if he feels so inclined. Yes I will plead >> ignorance to the legal process to an extent, I am not after all a lawyer >> or law concious as you seem to be. > > Yes. Perhaps some clarification is required. The various acts of the >criminal Giwer are so numerous that one rubric cannot cover all of them. Many >have been violations of the criminal law. Others have not. Turn me in! Report my crimes, you cowardly little shit drunk lying jew. Cite the law if you are not too drunk when reading this. >> However if a crime has been committed then bringing it to the attention >> of legal authorities is part of the legal process wouldn't you think? > > Not neccessarily. Because they would laugh in your drunken face, lying jew. >> If he feels so immensely that Giwer has indeed committed a crime then he >> should by all means report that crime. Otherwise this conversation (I >> wouldn't really call it that, but you get the idea) should end. > > Why bother to report it? The fact of his criminal activities and his >willingness to harass those with whom he disagrees, deprives the criminal Giwer of >any credibility. The lying pig shit jew is too much of a coward to face being laughed at by the authorities. Come on, coward, report me. Turn me in. Lying scum jew. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:31 PST 1996 Article: 80440 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:14:52 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 48 Message-ID: <32923e24.37052075@news.gte.net> References: <328e293b.43151130@news.micron.net> <56l909$dj8@news.enter.net> <848252800.26512.7@vertigo.combase.com> <56nv9u$amr@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229121.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 17 Nov 1996 21:15:42 GMT, brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon) wrote: >Yale Edeiken clearly states: > >>> a civil matter. What the criminal Giwer did was a crime. > >Then our intrepid Hero Hardwire, unable to contain himself any longer, >spews: > >>Then sue for God's sake and be done with it. > >Your misreading skills truly boggle the mind. > >If you reread what he wrote, you will notice that Mr.Edeiken >very clearly stated that Mr.Giwer's actions are _criminal_ >in nature. But YFE is a lying jew and only makes that claim after his second bottle of Mogen David. The man has never been sober enough while posting to cite the law he claims was broken. He has never had the honesty to discuss that he has initiated EVERY email exchange including the one he has been ranting about for months now. But then maybe he was into his third bottle and doesn't remember. But then he is jewish and he is lying. That does make him a lying jew does it not? ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:32 PST 1996 Article: 80480 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.texas.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 7.25 million = 19,900 a day Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 05:10:36 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 66 Message-ID: <329292a8.8576538@news.gte.net> References: <328dc016.344709@199.0.216.204> <328e9371.99173513@news.gte.net> <56rmn2$dqq@access4.digex.net> <3291649f.31719407@news.gte.net> <56sh02$2ii@access5.digex.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229147.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 19 Nov 1996 09:42:10 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: >In article <3291649f.31719407@news.gte.net>, >Matt Giwer wrote: >>On 19 Nov 1996 02:13:38 -0500, mstein@access4.digex.net (Michael P. >>Stein) wrote: >> >>>In article <328e9371.99173513@news.gte.net>, prince wrote: >>>>On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 14:16:25 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote: >>>> >>>>> Considering the correction, it would be 47 people a minute on >>>>>average entering into the museum, just short of one person per second. >>>> >>>> It is amazing how quickly they can sell tickets. >>> >>> To be sure, it is a lot faster to sell tickets when you give them away >>>for free. >> >> Repair thee to the USHMM Website to find the price of the tickets. >>It is not a free exhibit. I was rather surprised to find they charged >>also. > > Matt, if you had this level of reading comprehension when you were in >college you must have paid someone to do your school work. The following >is from the USHMM website. > > > >Pass Information: ONLY the Permanent Exhibition requires a timed entry >pass to begin the self-guided tour of the Museum's primary exhibition. >Passes are FREE and are not required for the Museum's other exhibitions, >memorials, resources and facilities. > > > > Now, what part of "Passes are FREE" don't you understand? > > There is a charge ONLY if you use PROTIX rather than going to the >museum itself. But that fee is not charged by the museum. It is >collected by PROTIX for their services, the same as they do for a >basketball or concert ticket when you don't feel like standing in line at >the box office. The museum gives the tickets away for free. > > Repair thee to a remedial reading class. So it has changed. What's the big deal? ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:34 PST 1996 Article: 80500 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 03:16:14 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 81 Message-ID: <329276d4.1453370@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559u0o$1m2s@news.gate.net> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <327fdff5.15295167@news.demon.co.uk> <55vq3q$7ir@panix2.panix.com> <847587955.17669.0@perdrix.demon.co.uk> <7T9xRBAru6hyEwfJ@bebbo.demon.co.uk> <56hb0v$hqb@news3.gte.net> <328e61b9.86445468@news.gte.net> <328fe88c.56686554@news.gte.net> <7z9xZJA+sKkyEw1x@bebbo.demon.co.uk> <32910fbb.9987122@news.gte.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228134.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:57:07 +0000, Dene Bebbington wrote: >Swiss bank billions wrote: >>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:30:22 +0000, Dene Bebbington >> wrote: >> >>>Full Name wrote: >>>>On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:36:40 +0000, Dene Bebbington >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>prince wrote: >>>>>["liar, liar, pants on fire" retort snipped] >>>>> >>>>>>http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html >>>>>>http://www.codoh.com/ >>>>> >>>>>I notice the IHR URL is gone, is this while you try to work out what IHR >>>>>means? Judging by your inability to check facts or do research I suppose >>>>>that we'd better not hold our breath waiting. >>>> >>>> I didn't know you cared, stupid limey. >>>[copious amounts of URLs snipped] >>>> >>>>http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website >>> >>>Yep, he still doesn't know what IHR stands for. >> >> Why would it matter? Rather what is the point of even raising the >>issue? > >I found that it said rather a lot about your lack of interest in facts >and the truth, you constantly accuse others of lying, I only accuse those who lie of lying. and you deny the >history of the Holocaust, It has not been established and the impossible does not happen no matter how many people swear to it. That appears to be a difficult concept for you to grasp. yet you got such a simple fact about one of >the main revisionist organisations wrong. You have gone from asking me what it stands for to accusing me of getting it wrong without an intervening and necessary step. Why is that? >> Rather more interestingly is that only a year ago there were only >>three or four revisionist sites. Now they are coming on line about >>one a month. > >Just like dog turds appear on our pavements. And with revisionists, >quantity is certainly more manifest than quality. The truth always has more on its side. But as for quality, Hundreds of disorganized gigs on the synagogue's site, Nizkor it is called, is hardly a description of quality. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:35 PST 1996 Article: 80509 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!hookup!lll-winken.llnl.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!msfc!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,fl.general,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 03:10:56 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 50 Message-ID: <32927631.1289529@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559u0o$1m2s@news.gate.net> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <56har6$hqb@news3.gte.net> <56qhc0$4nm$1@gruvel.une.edu.au> <3290d426.116645870@news.gte.net> <32923b57.61642225@news.txdirect.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228134.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:92709 alt.revisionism:80509 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:36:57 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote: >On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:49:18 GMT, Sid@Yid.verycom (Sidney the Yid) >wrote: > >>On 18 Nov 1996 20:36:16 GMT, ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) wrote: >> >>>* * (*@*.*) wrote: >>>: >>>: Rather a silly little bitch promoting a jew agenda. >>>: >>> >>>I thought she was fat, not little, or am I >>>forgetting which ad hominem is directed at >>>whom? >> >> How about squat? > >"Squat" more closely describes the picture of a certain unemployed and >unemployable gentleman in Tampa. Retired gentleman. Do you have a problem with that? >Nizkor (USA) An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource >Over 1000 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org >Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/ >Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!) May I ask why such an educated person as yourself continues to front this sham organization? ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:36 PST 1996 Article: 80518 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Big brother Mcvay is watching Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 04:49:56 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 58 Message-ID: <32928be7.6848103@news.gte.net> References: <32914d18.25696716@news.gte.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229147.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:15:05 +0000, Dene Bebbington wrote: >Swiss bank billions wrote: >>On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:49:47 +0000, Dene Bebbington >> wrote: >> >>>I'm replying publicly to a private email since the writer didn't give >>>his name or email address, although it doesn't take much to guess who it >>>was... >> >> If you had replied privately you would have been asked never to do >>so again IF it was a copy of a public post. But you know that. > >So its okay for you to email me, but not for me to email you?! What's >the matter Matt, frightened of a bit of reasonable discourse? READ IT AGAIN!!! That says IF it is a copy of a public post. Does that say you can not email me under any circumstances? It simply eliminates one circumstance. As no one has asked, I will tell you why. I read the entire conference almost daily. I was doing nothing but deleting the emails and there were a lot of them. It was a waste of time. >>>What, no answer to this one? Is this indicative of your honesty? >> >> An erronious URL now means something to the terminally desperate. > >Or maybe it says a lot about you who goes on about inconsistent and >contradictory testimony, yet you don't even know the name one of the >main revisionist organisations. But then accuracy or interest in the >truth never was your forte was it. Again, you have gone from asking me what it means to claiming I do not know with an intermediate stop in claiming that I spelled it wrong. What is your point in all of this? Are you suggesting I could not flip the browser to the URL and cut and paste the name into a response? ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Sid@Yid.verycom Wed Nov 20 06:01:37 PST 1996 Article: 80537 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!news.pac.gte.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: Sid@Yid.verycom (Sidney the Yid) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:48:45 GMT Organization: Hollywood Lines: 57 Message-ID: <329037ab.76587090@news.gte.net> References: <848252800.26512.7@vertigo.combase.com> <56o39f$6cr@news.enter.net> Reply-To: Sid@Yid.verycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228028.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 17 Nov 1996 22:23:43 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> Hardwire writes: >> Yale F. Edeiken wrote: > >> > a civil matter. What the criminal Giwer did was a crime. That is, a breach of >> > peace and an offense against the state as a whole. They would handle any >> > prosecution of the criminla Giwer. All I would do would be sit in the back of >the >> > courtroom and smirk as the criminal Giwer tried to weasel on the stand. > >> Then sue for God's sake and be done with it. If he's guilty he'll be >> judged so, if not you'll look like a fool. Either way it will end this >> nitpick discussion. > > Why. It pushes the criminal Giwer's buttons very nicely. The criminal >Giwer could end it very easily. He could apologize for what was an outrageous >invasion of my privacy. That was one of the conditions netcom put on him whne >his service was suspended. He preferred to act like the jerk he is. > > The criminal Giwer started this; he can end it ant time he chooses. So >far the score is about 4-zip with the criminal Giwer being on the short end of it. Lying little scum jew. Report the crime you drunken coward. Every damn day you down a couple bottle of Mogen David and then rave about me being a criminal and when you sober up in the morning you refuse to report the crime. There is nothing more pathetic than an alcoholic jew as they can NOT seek help because of social pressure. They just get on the net every day and rave about the imagined criminal offenses against them and NEVER EVER submit them to an arbiter. That makes this jew an unclean animal and even his wife (of whatever sex) should not eat him. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Sid@Yid.verycom Wed Nov 20 06:01:37 PST 1996 Article: 80542 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: Sid@Yid.verycom (Sidney the Yid) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 'Sometimes entire transports were gassed' Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:48:28 GMT Organization: Hollywood Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3290335a.75482658@news.gte.net> References: Reply-To: Sid@Yid.verycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228028.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:56:03 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: >Testimony of SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Hofmann, about his days at Auschwitz >[Quoted from "Auschwitz: A Report on the Proceedings Against Robert >Karl Ludwig Mulka and Others Before the Court at Frankfurt", By Bernd >Naumann, 1966, published by Frederick A. Praeger, NY, p. 50-1] >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >The Jews were asked to line up. It was my job to preserve calm and >order. The selection was carried out by doctors. The instructions >were issued by the commandants or by Grabner. Sometimes entire >transports were gassed. At times many able-bodied workers were >selected, at other times fewer. The percentage was specified in >advance. It was determined by the need for workers. When transports arrived at Auschwitz it was the doctor's job to pick out those who were unfit or unable to work. These included children, old people and the sick. I have seen the gas chambers and crematoria at Auschwitz, and I knew that those I selected were to go to the gas chamber. But I only acted on orders given to me by Dr. Wirtz. Mutually contradictory posts by the same idiot. Spam, spam, spam spam. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Sid@Yid.verycom Wed Nov 20 06:01:38 PST 1996 Article: 80543 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!news.pac.gte.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: Sid@Yid.verycom (Sidney the Yid) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:48:42 GMT Organization: Hollywood Lines: 46 Message-ID: <32903700.76416108@news.gte.net> References: <328e293b.43151130@news.micron.net> <56l909$dj8@news.enter.net> <848252800.26512.7@vertigo.combase.com> <56nv9u$amr@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> Reply-To: Sid@Yid.verycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228028.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 17 Nov 1996 21:15:42 GMT, brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon) wrote: >Yale Edeiken clearly states: > >>> a civil matter. What the criminal Giwer did was a crime. > >Then our intrepid Hero Hardwire, unable to contain himself any longer, >spews: > >>Then sue for God's sake and be done with it. > >Your misreading skills truly boggle the mind. > >If you reread what he wrote, you will notice that Mr.Edeiken >very clearly stated that Mr.Giwer's actions are _criminal_ >in nature. Are you saying that an OFFICER OF THE COURT does not have an obligation under oath to report crimes that he becomes aware of? But then, he is a lying little shit jew as we all know. The cowardly little shit REFUSES to report the crime. He refuses to have the investigator LAUGH IN HIS jewish FACE. He is lying scum jewish pig shit. But then, you know that. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From impoverished@shtetl.com Wed Nov 20 06:01:39 PST 1996 Article: 80544 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: **************** G I W E R R U L E S *************************************************** Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 05:56:46 GMT Organization: Schwitzerland Lines: 249 Message-ID: <32913e28.21872178@news.gte.net> References: <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <32798fa9.24153673@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <56hb04$hqb@news3.gte.net> <328e6ae1.88789722@news.gte.net> <328ff3f9.59257648@news.gte.net> <32902d5e.8937767@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: impoverished@shtetl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229022.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:00:16 GMT, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) wrote: >In <328ff3f9.59257648@news.gte.net>, Matt Giwer posting as >email@add.ress (Full Name) wrote: > >[a demonstration that Matt Giwer knows as little about the history of >alt.revisionism as he knows about the holocaust] > >> Then join in on the discussion of the subject of revisionism. > >Challenging "revisionism" is just as much a discussion of >"revisionism" as making "revisionist" assertions. Excuse me. This is NOT a conference for challenging revisionism. It is for the discussion of revisionism. If you wish to challenge it, go to soc.jewish.holocaust. >> Do >>not spam holobuggery, > >Leaving aside whether "holobuggery" is a civil term, please explain >how one discusses "revisionism" without reference to the Holocaust >that "revisionism" claims to debunk. Very simply one does not presume that any of the holocaust myths are true until they pass rigorous tests including checks against the sciences. There is no holocaust, only stories and testimony that have to pass muster before being considered. On the other hand, this is clearly not the place for constant spamming of holocaust stories such as by Keren and McVay. If you wish to discuss the subject fine, do so. But you have to start from the presumption that NOTHING is true. You can not assume any part of it is true until it has been debated and a consensus is reached. If wish to defend you holocaust ideas then do so according some reasonable form of discussion or investigation. You do not do it by attacking the person posting nor by spamming. You do not insist it is true because the person telling the story is crying. If you are not going to participate according to the premises of the conference, find another conference. >> do not start making wild accusations like >>revisionism equals hatred, do be disruptive. > >It is an empirical observation that in many cases "revisionists" >appear to be motivated by a hatred of Jews. It is a valid claim to >make about the "revisionist" project when so many of its proponents >hate Jews. EVEN IF IT IS an empirical observation, there are certainly many other of the 28,000+ conferences in which you can post the observation. MAKING the accusation has nothing to do with revisionism and is off topic here. FACT, even if everyone here were to clearly state that they hate JEWS that would have NOTHING to do with whether or not there is any truth to the holocaust. Therefore, any discussion of that here has nothing to do with the holocaust, therefore it is off topic here. Go find another conference. >> You are invited to >>participate civilly. > >But YOU don't have to be civil, do you? As your web page states you >strive for "offensive" and "in your face" [sic] confrontations instead >of reasoned discussions. Why the double standard? Why are you exempt >from the standards you set for others? That particular web page says NOTHING about me. It says what I am looking for in the collection of web sites. A confrontational attitude FOR PURPOSES OF A WEBSITE says nothing about my intensions. As you apparently have not noticed, this newsgroup is not a website. That website is to promote what some groups do not want people to hear. And in line with that and reasoned discussions, If you wish to participate in reasoned discussions here, do so. Contribute your reason to them. However, you are not contributing reason if you quote >from a secondary source. That is the known fallacy of an appeal to authority. Someone else having said it does not make it so and quoting it is not YOUR contribution of reason, but your repetition of something you have decided to accept as a authority. Are you able to see the difference? >> You are disinvited if you wish to spam or make >>accusations or jump to conclusions or be disruptive. > >Who are you to invite or "disinvite" [sic] anyone from any newsgroup? >Who elected you a Netcop? Me. An unpaid volunteer working to get this conference back on topic. If you are not going to post on topic then your off topic posts will be swamped to the point of unusability by me. I hope that is clear. Those are the rules. No one but people who insist upon posting off topic are complaining about the rules. I have not directed any efforts against those who are even marginally on topic or marginally off topic. I have a very broad conception of what is acceptable. But in no way will deliberate disruption of on topic discussions be considered acceptable. And that does include you. If you do not like it, go find another conference to complain in. If a majority of REVISIONISTS do not like what I am doing, I will stop and they can find someone else to keep this conference on topic. Holobuggers have no say in the matter. >>>> That you folks continue to repeat everything referred to in this >>>>sentence as true is clearly off topic. >>> >>>That's odd, because most of the comments in that excerpt would appear to >>>refer to revisionists rather than anyone else, apart from the reference >>>to apologies. >> >> Except that the passage specifically refers to the stories of the >>survivors and witness to the holocaust. But even if it does appear >>that way to you, that is still not the subject. Revisionism a priori >>rejects the standard holocaust. > >No, really, explain to me how you plan to debunk the Holocaust, or to >express a positive alternate hypothesis for the treatment of the Jews >during the Second World War, *without* reference to witness >statements, or, for that matter, documents, physical evidence, >corrolary evidence, confessions, and trial records. I have no plans. Either lurk or participate honestly and see how it turns out. As long as this is for the free and open discussion of revisionism I have no interest in the direction it takes, even if it proves gassing actually happened. As you have already read, the witnesses are unreliable, they were produced by the same people who gave you Katyn Woods and contradict each other and recount the impossible. For example, every statement by any witness who recounts the impossible will be completely rejected. As to physical evidence revisionists search for some of it, like the 10,000,000 bodies in mass graves all over eastern europe that no one has found, not even a tiny fraction of that many. And if we were to rely upon trial records, holocaust writers would be the greatest revisionists of them all. >By analogy, explain how you would debunk UFO claims without discussing >the claims themselves? As has every person who has looked into UFO claims, zero physical evidence. One starts with physical evidence and if that does not exist, the claims are no more than claims. It is unclear why you would think that claims about UFOs have any relationship to UFOs. And as for debunking, that is not what revisionism is about. It is holobuggers who have assumed that they have a solid position. But as has been regularly demonstrated in this conference (LK1 was all one gas chamber/one of the five rooms in LK I was the gas chamber) we find that holobuggers do not have a consistent story. And you have participated in this, never challenging a fellow holobugger even though he posts a different version of it than the version you promote. >Seriously, I am left with two equally unpalatable alternatives: either >you have a very immature idea of what constitutes a discussion about >"revisionism," or you are so afraid that "revisionism" cannot >withstand a discussion with people who disagree that you are engaged >in a effort to censor this newsgroup. Please, DISCUSS the subject with your own contributions and your own reason and thought. But do NOT post third hand appeals to authority in response to comments upon the physical evidence of lack thereof. You have read enough of my examples by now that I do not have to recount the litany. Participate only. Here, the holocaust is being reconstructed from the bottom up. Zero base budgeting shall we say, at Jimmy Carter proposed it. Revisionism is a process, not a fact. >> To honestly participate here, you just play by those rules, just >>like with any other of the 28,000 or so newsgroups. >What rules? Your rules? Rules set by someone with a childish fear and >a childish concept of discussion? Whatever your opinion I am simply stating that I am not going to stop my efforts to keep this conference on topic, whether or not you like the topic, the participants or anything else about it. If you have a problem with that, complain to your mother. >I don't think so. Try me. You folks have been whining my ability to do it for nearly a year now. You think I will suddenly lose the ability? >> If you want to >>talk Star Trek you do not post in a B5 conference. If you wish to >>talk evolution uninterrupted you do not go to talk.origins. > >> If you want to talk holocaust, there is a conference for that. >>This is not it. > >I want to talk about "revisionism." I want to argue that "revisionism" >is really pseudohistory, that it is based on false premises, an >inadequate methodology, and a misprision of the facts: that is all I >have ever done on alt.revisionism. But you have already called me a >whole bunch of names such as "holohugger" and "liar" and "slime." No revisionist that I am aware of has stated that it is solely a matter of history. So if that is your problem, go find a history conference to complain that revisionism refuses to be soley about history. This is to discussion revision, not to discuss revisionism or revisionists. Go find a more appropriate conference. >I can only assume that your tactics are meant to drive me, for one, >out of the discussion. How does that differ from censorship? My tactics are to keep you on the topic of this conference. Topics are very narrowly defined. That is why there are more than 28,000 of them. Look around and find one where you can do what you say you want without distracting from the topic of the conference. If you wish to claim censorship, fine. Post your spams on a microbiology conference and when attacked there claim censorship also. Off topic is off topic. I hope you can bring yourself to admit you understand that. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:40 PST 1996 Article: 80558 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!sunqbc.risq.net!news1.bellglobal.com!freenet-news.carleton.ca!news.flora.ottawa.on.ca!news.synapse.net!n4ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: qc.general,mtl.general,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: DO JEWS RUN/CONTROL QUEBEC? Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:47:04 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3292c57a.21587062@news.gte.net> References: <328E955C.FDD@concentric.net> <56pqqo$2qvu$1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229034.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca qc.general:11765 alt.revisionism:80558 On Mon, 18 Nov 96 13:52:50 GMT, ncrccjc@ibm.net (Bernie Farber) wrote: >echte Wahrheit wrote: >>Over the past few months, residents of Quebec must be wondering whether >>the JEWS RUN/CONTROL the Province of Quebec. > >> >>Third was the televised gloating, under the flag of Israel, of the >>Canadian Jewish Congress, when they arranged for the Quebec >>Lieutenant-General to resign. How can supporters of a foreign power >>force the Quebecers to renounce a well-regarded official?? >> >Bernie Farber responds: > >Its amazing (though not surprising) that "Wahrheit" continues to perpetrate >this blatant lie. Anyone familiar with a newspaper in Canada ( I suppose this >would leave Waherhiet out) will know that to the contrary CJC had NEVER >asked for Roux's resignation. It was quite satisfied with an explanation and >apology. Warheit, the antisemite lies; but what else is new? Why is it that Jews never lie? ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:41 PST 1996 Article: 80561 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!sunqbc.risq.net!news1.bellglobal.com!freenet-news.carleton.ca!news.flora.ottawa.on.ca!news.synapse.net!n4ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: qc.general,mtl.general,alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.white-power Subject: Re: DO JEWS RUN/CONTROL QUEBEC? Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:46:03 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 147 Message-ID: <3292c1d0.20648449@news.gte.net> References: <328E955C.FDD@concentric.net><328E955C.FDD@concentric.net> <56trm2$nba$3@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229034.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca qc.general:11766 alt.revisionism:80561 alt.conspiracy:111794 alt.politics.white-power:49809 On 20 Nov 1996 04:17:00 GMT, carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: >In article <56trm2$nba$3@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord >McFee) wrote: > >> In message - >> carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol)17 Nov 1996 20:07:51 GMT writes: >> :> >> :>Gee, it's only taken us two thousand years so far, not much more >> :>till 2000 when we finally can assume control. >> >> Andrew, I know I'm just goy-boy lackey of the evil ZOG empire, but there's one >> thing they forgot to teach us in ZOG boot camp. If you, I mean we, I mean you >> are so brilliant at taking over and controlling the world, why have we, I mean >> you, I mean we not done so after only 1996 years? > > >Silly Zog, tricks are for goys! If you should find the time, would you care to explain the Avi Shavit and the papers that carry him that there is no Zionist control of the US Government and media? There's a good bubbie.
    Following is an article from the June 13, 1996 edition of The Wanderer that cries for wide distribution.
    "In Our Hands"
    by
    Joseph Sobran

          One isn't supposed to say this, but many people believe that Israel now holds the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media in its hands. This is what is known as an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.

          The odd thing is that it is held by many Israelis. In an essay reprinted in the May 27th issue of The New York Times, Ari Shavit, an Israeli columnist, reflected sorrowfully on the wanton Israeli killing of more than 100 Lebanese civilians in April: "We killed them out of a certain naive hubris. Believing with absolute certitude that now, with the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media in our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our own..."

          In a single phrase -- "in our hands" -- Shavit has lighted up the American political landscape like a flash of lightning.

          Notice that Shavit assumes as an obvious fact what we Americans can say publicly only at our own risk. It's surprising, and refreshing, to find such candor in an American newspaper (though his essay was reprinted from the Israeli paper Haaretz).

          The prescribed cant on the subject holds that Israel is a "reliable ally" of the United States, despite Israel's long record of double-dealing against this country, ranging from the killing of American sailors to constant espionage and technology theft. The word "ally" implies that the relationship exists because it's in the interests of this country, though Israel's lobby is clearly devoted to the interests of Israel itself, and it's childish to suggest otherwise.

          You expect that from the Israeli lobby; lobbies are lobbies, after all. But it's unnerving that the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media should be "in our hands," as Shavit puts it. Bill Clinton, a lover of peace since his college days, raised no protest when the Israelis drove 400,000 innocent Lebanese out of their homes in "retaliation" for rockets launched into Israel (wounding one Israeli) by a faction over whom those 400,000 had no control.

          Congress, of course, was supine as usual at this latest extravagance of Israeli "defense." Congress too is "in our hands."

          A recent article in The Washington Post likened the Israel lobby's power to that of the gun and tobacco lobbies. But there is one enormous difference. Newspapers like the Post aren't afraid to criticize the gun and tobacco lobbies. They will say forthrightly that those lobbies seek goals that are dangerous for this country. They don't dare say as much of the Israeli lobby.

          But much of the press and electronic media are "in our hands" in a more active sense: They supply misleading pro-Israel propaganda in the guise of news and commentary, constantly praising Israeli "democracy" and ignoring Israel's mistreatment of its non-Jewish minorities -- mistreatment which, if any government inflicted it on a Jewish minority, would earn it the fierce opprobrium of our media.

          No decent American would think of reducing American Jews to the status of Palestinians in Israel. The idea is almost absurd. Yet Americans are taxed to subsidize the oppression of Palestinians, on the flimsy pretext that they are helping an "ally" in America's own self-interest to be hated and despised by the whole Muslim world.

          All this is interesting less for what it tells us about Israel than for what it tells us about America. Frank discussion of Israel is permitted in Israel, as Shavit's article illustrates. It's rarely permitted here. Charges of anti-Semitism and a quiet but very effective boycott will be the reward of any journalist who calls attention to his own government's -- and his own profession's -- servitude to Israeli interests.

          Very few in America are doing anything to change this sorry state of affairs. Shavit wrote his article in the desperate hope of turning back his countrymen and his government from a morally and politically perilous course. At least he can hope. It's harder for us, when our own government isn't in our hands. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:42 PST 1996 Article: 80564 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Open Letter to Moran, Giwer, Hardwire, et al Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:17:58 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 125 Message-ID: <3292c6e3.21948084@news.gte.net> References: <848420854.8045.6@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229034.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 06:28:37 -0500, Hardwire wrote: >Sara aka Perrrfect wrote: >> >> Gentlemen: >> >> I understand you dislike "Jews." >> > >Incorrect. I like the jewish as much as any other race. No problems >here. > >> I understand you dislike "Zionists." >> > >Not too well versed on what a Zionist is except that it's an organized >group of people with a Jewish based agenda (if I'm wrong, please correct >me, I'd welcome the info). But in any case, they never did anything to >me so I do not dislike them. As I've stated, I don't even know about >them. What you say is sort of correct. Zionists are the original "Jews back to Israel" people. They started working for the end of European Jewry before Hitler was born. They worked with Hitler to formulate the "Nurember Laws" and in Israel passed similar laws relegated non-jews to either second class citizens or non-citizens and prohibiting non-Jews from marrying Jews, much as non-Aryans were prohibited from marrying Aryans. Zionists in the US are Jews who put the interests of Israel ahead of the US. They are in control of the US government and of the media AND this is a commonly known fact in Israel and is openly discussed. That it is ridiculed in the US does not change the fact that it is common knowledge in Israel and in the rest of the world for that matter. It is well known that the US does anything Israel wants and protects Israel from any form of sanction whatsoever. It gets worse of course, Try the first site below for more information. >> You have all made that perfectly clear. To everyone who reads this newsgroup. >Just defending my little piece o the internet Ma'am. And note the silly little "shame" approach they generally use. You are supposed to feel they are so important that it matters to you. Note their ego in even attempting this approach. (Incidentally, my >flame posts to you are in about the same jest as the ones I write to >Grynspan, Gord, Chuck, and the rest of the lot. If everyone just >settled down and stopped trying to be so witty while degrading someone >else, things would move a lot smoother in here I'm sure.) No harm >intended, and I hope no hard feelings. That is the only thing the holobuggers have left. Reason has deserted them. >> However, the topic of this group is "Revisionism." It isn't "Do the Jews >> rule the media/world/etc." >> > >Not guilty. I didn't start THAT thread. But they will try to shame you into silence by associating you with it. If you fail to back down, they will start talking about you as though it were true and will not hesitate to bear this false witness far and wide to any audience they can find. That is one of the many things that makes them so dispicable. >> It isn't "Those Nasty Israelis and how they treat the Palestinians." >Not guilty. But ask yourself this question, why would that even be brought up AFTER the recent Israeli helicopter machinegunning of Palestinians? How about the recent shelling of a refugee camp? Would not anyone reasonably be a touch upset with their treatment of Palestinians? Yet you see, you get a pre-emptive strike attempting to shame you for opinions you do not even hold. From this person's point of view, only an anti-semite (which is a term attempting to instill silence) would think there is something wrong with machinegunning and shelling Palestinians. These people are not deranged or deluded. They know what happened. They also approve of what happened and want more of the same. But they want Zionist murders to be perceived as justified. >> To the readers of alt.revisionism, I propose that off-topic posts should >> not be responded to in this forum, but limited to e-mail and/or responses >> in the appropriate fora. >Fine by me, all you had to do was ask nicely. Of course, you won't hold >it against me if people like Gryn, Gord, Chuck, and others keep on >spamming on old threads I'll have long since abandoned will you? If >not, then I declare my days of posting off topic over right now. Rather the amusing thing would be if she got them to stop. But of course that will never happen. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:43 PST 1996 Article: 80566 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Did Hitler Commit the Unforgivable Sin? Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:29:06 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 51 Message-ID: <3292da63.26939339@news.gte.net> References: <56pird$elr@basement.replay.com> <32917a49.37265733@news.gte.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229034.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.white-power:49811 alt.revisionism:80566 On 19 Nov 96 15:09:05 GMT, joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote: >impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) writes: > >>On 18 Nov 1996 12:55:25 +0100, nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote: > >>>Did Hitler Commit the Unforgivable Sin? >>> >>>No, not according to any generally accepted account of >>>history and the Christian religion. (See The Gospel.) > >> Jews are not the forgiving type. IT is not in their religion, only >>vengence, blind, unyielding vengence. > >Yeah, you murder a few million of their people and they don't >forgive. >How durned unChristian, eh, nutsy? The greater the offense the greater the merit in foregiveness among Christians. Beyond that, your hate is showing in considering all Christians to be Nazis. More than that, you bear false witness against the Nazis. But even if you were correct, they murdered an equal number of Christians and not one sign of those ten million ungassed bodies. If your "hate" is against Nazis, they were gone by May 1945. Whatever you conceive the "neos" to be, they killed no one. Again, misplaced hate. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:44 PST 1996 Article: 80578 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: More lies and tortured confessions? Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:49:16 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 70 Message-ID: <3292ddbd.27798091@news.gte.net> References: <56q24b$jrk@access5.digex.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229143.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 18 Nov 1996 11:16:11 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: > Here are two actual excerpts. I did not make them up. > > I would like to ask the revisionists: could this be a true testimony >from a member of the Einsatzgruppen, or must this be anti-German >propaganda or a confession extracted by torture? What are your reasons >for your answer? > > "[S]eeing a baby ... crawling away from a ditch already filled with > dead and dying villagers, [he] seized the child by the leg, threw it > back in the pit, and shot it." Where did this come from? Who said it? What is the corraborating testimony? Who provided this "testimony" and in what form? What was the cross-examination? What is the physical evidence? Where is the gravesite and who dug it up and what was the forsensic determination? Please post the results of the forensic examination. BTW: Why would an infant be crawling AWAY from its presumably fallen mother rather than towards her? Precoscious? An infant in the crawling stage would have NO idea of what is going on, period, and would seek its mother. > I would like to ask the revisionists: could this be an authentic quote >from Heinrich Himmler or must it be a Soviet forgery? What are your >reasons for your answer? > > "[I]f your son is killed by those babies you'll cry at me, 'Why > didn't you kill those babies that day?'" It sounds like he is paraphrasing the Old Testatment. But it is only a speech. What do you expect from a question in a political speech? Truth? If you expect truth in a political speech, go back and finish grade school before you participate here again. Yes, at Himmler's level he was a politician just list our Perry and Shalikashvili are politicians. And it is an absolutely valid position that is now used by Israelis against Palestinians and Palestinians against Israelis. The idea is simply out of place in the US but quite in place in most of the world including Israel. You may not like the world as it is and the world as it is may be unpopular in the US these days, but one sided condemnation for the way the world is, is not rational. Condemn them all or none. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:44 PST 1996 Article: 80580 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Treblinka Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:59:28 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3292e340.29208620@news.gte.net> References: <56rdj4$jo8@Vir.com> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229143.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 19 Nov 1996 04:37:56 GMT, Jean-Francois Beaulieu wrote: > > I've see many comments from people here who state that I'm taking >up details without 'seing the evidence', while the evidence is that >the camera wasn't hidden, but I'll ask you this question: > >For a 5,000 meter square area, how much deep would you have to dig if you want >to burry 800,000 persons? I've already done my calculus, the official >version talk about a layer of sand and chlorine between each >'batch', but since you are so smarth: how much deep? > >5000 meter suqare is the size given by the witness, an average. Excuse me but where did you get a number that huge? Do you mean 5000 square meters or 5000 meters square? 5000 square meters is 70 meters square. 5000 meters square is 25 square kilometers -- a fair sized large town/small city. (This is called English, a very strange language but is very dependent upon position for meaning.) Now if I take the small figure, There is no obvious way to determine without knowing the depth and other condition. Ball has some estimates based upon Katyn Woods. I will get into them later when you come back with a clarification. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:45 PST 1996 Article: 80581 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: suchomel:r.i.p. Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:03:14 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 38 Message-ID: <3292e4c1.29593205@news.gte.net> References: <56rebi$btt@Vir.com> <56sc1t$7p7@Vir.com> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229143.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 19 Nov 1996 13:17:49 GMT, Jean-Francois Beaulieu wrote: >mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >> >> In article <56rebi$btt@Vir.com>, Jean-Francois Beaulieu wrote: >> >> > I saw at least one, perhaps two who said here that Suchomel >> > was still alive in 1985... evidence please? >> >> And the evidence that Mr. Beaulieu is alive is? >> > > No one. I'm Matt Giwer. > and Al Baron. You are Hardwire also. Stop hiding that fact. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:46 PST 1996 Article: 80582 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Words of Wisdom from the Tommy-Twit Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:05:46 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 49 Message-ID: <3292e5ae.29831085@news.gte.net> References: <56lk21$jkl@nnrp3.farm.idt.net> <328EA9BB.7784@intrport.net> <32923337.3940374@199.0.216.204> <3290d701.11971063@news.uniserve.com> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229143.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:49:35 GMT, hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov) wrote: >On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:58:35 GMT, in <32923337.3940374@199.0.216.204>, >tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran aka the denier in search of a persona) >wrote: > >[snip] > >> >> Loyalty to love and marriage is one thing, but when you let it >>direct any aesthetic notions about politics, philosophy and life, it >>is weakness. > >Do tell us Li'l Tommy, what are "aesthetic notions about politics, >philosophy and life?" Or were you simply under the influence of some >kind of anaesthetic when you wrote this little gem?! > >hro >===================== >Hilary Ostrov >E-mail: hostrov@uniserve.com >WWW: http://users.uniserve.com/~hostrov/ >Co-Webmaster - The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.org/ Does it not bother you to discover you have been giving all of your free time to a URL, a mail drop and a Synagogue phone number. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:47 PST 1996 Article: 80586 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Ediken is his lawyer. He sells used cars Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:50:45 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 45 Message-ID: <3292c5f2.21706195@news.gte.net> References: <56haq0$hqb@news3.gte.net> <56jhue$sp8@news.enter.net> <328e293b.43151130@news.micron.net> <328eb232.105725571@news.gte.net> <56smd7$qgn@lendl.cc.emory.edu> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229034.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 19 Nov 1996 16:14:31 GMT, libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote: >Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) wrote: >: In article <328eb232.105725571@news.gte.net>, email@add.ress wrote: > >: > He is like the stereotypical jew boy in a bow tie from NYC. One >: > day his mother is boiling his shirts and the next day he is out in the >: > real world confronted by the F word. >: >: >: Stereotypical "jew boy in a bow tie from NYC"? >: >: Hmm... that's a stereotype I've never heard of, Mr. Giwer. > >A little clarification is in order here--the Jews who USED to live in >New York City wore bowties, but those Jews all left in 1945, to build >UFOs at the North Pole in an attempt to counter the Nazis UFOs at the >South Pole. They were raplaced by the Jews who where supposed to have >been killed in the Holocaust, who do no wear bowties. The UFO is closer than you realize. Next time you are at a big SF Con look up the pictures of John W. Campbell's stable of writers from the 40s and 50s. Pay particular attention to Isaac Asimov. I am certain you can figure out the rest. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:32:13 PST 1996 Article: 80588 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:59:11 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3292f1d5.32941708@news.gte.net> References: <55vq3q$7ir@panix2.panix.com> <847587955.17669.0@perdrix.demon.co.uk> <7T9xRBAru6hyEwfJ@bebbo.demon.co.uk> <56hb0v$hqb@news3.gte.net> <328e61b9.86445468@news.gte.net> <328fe88c.56686554@news.gte.net> <7z9xZJA+sKkyEw1x@bebbo.demon.co.uk> <32910fbb.9987122@news.gte.net> <329276d4.1453370@news.gte.net> <56u6lt$j08@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229143.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 20 Nov 1996 05:58:21 GMT, schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il (Richard Schultz) wrote: > >Capt. Peter Peachfuzz (myshkin@shotehgamur.com) wrote: > > >: I only accuse those who lie of lying. > >Then put up or shut up: you have stated that I have posted lies about >chemistry. I once again request you to name one. I wouldn't want to >think that you were spreading libellous rumors about me, now would I? >After all, you seem to be most jealous of protecting your own bubble >reputation. Sure little shit liar. Lets see, you claimed that there was enough heat in a burning human body that it did not need external addition of heat. Is that not correct? Obviously you know that is untrue is a crematoria environment but you stated it was true anyway. What that not your lie? If not your lie, then whose lie was it? Please be specific in your answer. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 06:32:14 PST 1996 Article: 80589 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:03:01 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3292f2f6.33230833@news.gte.net> References: <847634962.358.1@perdrix.demon.co.uk> <567bqp$qkb@news.enter.net> <3297a289.8981549@news.demon.co.uk> <56onmv$cqu@access1.digex.net> <848404577.3949.2@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229143.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:57:15 -0500, Hardwire wrote: >Michael P. Stein wrote: > >> >You get more interesting when you claim extortion. What on earth has >> >he extorted and from whom? I look forward to details, or I may have to >> >assume that you are fantasizing. >> >> Look on Nizkor under "encouragements." Matt Giwer coupled a demand >> for destruction of data on Nizkor with a warning that "unspecified >> penalties may apply." The post may be verified on DejaNews. > >I would think that in a court of law, "unspecified penalties" could also >construed as actions taken by legal process. Such as sueing for >copyright infringement. Of course that's just what comes to mind from >the occasional banterings on this group. The statement "unspecified >penalties" could mean anything. It does not constitute extortion. But never forget that any real or pretended demand was that the synagogue stop violating my copyright as recognized in US, Canaidan and international law. Now why is a synagogue intent upon violating my rights in intellectual property? Why would Jews do that? Why are jews such thieves? ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 09:18:44 PST 1996 Article: 80595 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: **************** G I W E R R U L E S ******************************** Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:33:12 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 51 Message-ID: <3292f8e8.34752200@news.gte.net> References: <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <32798fa9.24153673@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <56hb04$hqb@news3.gte.net> <32918c9b.88944272@news.micron.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229143.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:49:13 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote: >On 17 Nov 96 10:19:45, alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote: >>In fact, by using multiple aliases, he helps that same newbie think >>that a larger number of deniers is equally deranged and frightens >>that fellow off from believing Matt's nonsense. > >Or that more deniers exist which the Nizkooks are incapable of >answering. BTW: To correct a privat email publically, did collect my counter-spams from out side of this conference. But the most devestating ones have come directly from this conference. Like the "hearing laughter over plane engines" which Keren is reduced to lying about to the point of appearing an idiot, which may or may not be correct. But I do not see that an anything significant as compared to the synagogue that has been behind Nizkor while denying any such connection to Nizkor. And fo course the three direct liars on the subject and all the rest who denied there was any such connection. And we will see if "eye" magazine has any journalistic integrity if it follows up on Zundel's discovery of the synagogue phone number after McVay's denial to eye that there was any connection. We have an odd situation here. Lets see what happens. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Wed Nov 20 09:18:46 PST 1996 Article: 80596 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: **************** G I W E R R U L E S *************************************************** Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:08:46 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3292f3e1.33465857@news.gte.net> References: <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <328ff3f9.59257648@news.gte.net> <32902d5e.8937767@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <32913e28.21872178@news.gte.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229143.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:59:00 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: >impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) writes: > ># Very simply one does not presume that any of the holocaust myths ># are true until they pass rigorous tests including checks against ># the sciences. > >The problem here, Matt, is that your total and complete ignorance >of science (and rational thought) leads you to conclude that >Holocaust facts are "not compatible with science". The fact is that Nizkor has always been a front for a bunch of jews running a synagogue and you folks have been liars all along. We know what kind of shit liar McVay is now. A Mrs. Goldberg answers the Nizkor telephone number. The number is assigned to the synagogue that is falsely soliciting contributions for Nizkor under the pretention that it is independent. All of NIZKOR is a jewish scam as you know. Get over it, supporter of such an obvious scam by jews. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Wed Nov 20 09:18:48 PST 1996 Article: 80602 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The discussion has not advanced one bit Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:06:41 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 110 Message-ID: <3293004a.36642115@news.gte.net> References: <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <329226e3.31106169@news.gte.net> <56tkp2$9f9@access5.digex.net> <329279ee.2247256@news.gte.net> <56u85r$bj3@access2.digex.net> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229143.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 20 Nov 1996 01:23:55 -0500, mstein@access2.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: >In article <329279ee.2247256@news.gte.net>, >Matt Giwer (mgiwer@gte.net) wrote: >>On 19 Nov 1996 19:52:50 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. >>Stein) wrote: >> >>>In article <329226e3.31106169@news.gte.net>, >>>Matt Giwer wrote: >>>>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:33:05 GMT, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John >>>>Morris) wrote: >>>>>> On the other hand, this is clearly not the place for constant >>>>>>spamming of holocaust stories such as by Keren and McVay. >>>>> >>>>>You're one to talk! You posted the Wannsee Protocol thriteen times in >>>>>eight days without comment. >>>> >>>> And? I was told it was absolute proof of extermination. I read >>>>it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >[snip] > >> Then you missed the premble to the entire matter where some silly >>twit thought he was being cute claiming it was proof of mass >>extermination plans for jews in the context of gassing > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >[snip] > > >> Excuse me. Where does it saying gassing? And where does it say >>another ten million by shooting? Where does it say anything remotely > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>like what is claimed to have happened? > > Notice how in two posts the request changed from "extermination" - no >mention of methods or numbers - to "extermination in the context of >gassing" - to gassing _plus_ shooting _plus_ the number to be shot _plus_ >whatever other unspecified details which may be contained in "remotely >like what is claimed to have happened." Sorry about that, youngster. We are talking about 12 million people in this here holocaust. The number of the gassed is down to around 2-3 million by "official verision" of the story. By subtraction we have 9-10 million in mass graves, uncremated, all over eastern Europe and there is no sign of them. That is arithmetic. As you folks will not accept 6 million minus the 3 million at Aushcwitz but sill insist upon 6 million then you have to put the extre 3 million some place. The only place to put them is in the EG and their bullets and mass graves. IF you have a problem with this, please articulate it without personal attack. >[snip] Note the [snip] here. >>> I'm still waiting for you to discuss things honestly. >> >> Since I have above largely repeated what I have posted before what >>do you consider honest discussion? > > It is certainly not honest discussion It is not honest to [snip] everything that I posted which you are failing to answer below. to pretend that you asked >someone to show how the Wannsee document contains proof of a plan or >policy of _gassing_ and _shooting_ and _numbers_ and other unspecified >details, when your original request was for how the Wannsee document >contains proof of a plan or policy of _extermination_, period, without any >mention of the means and numbers to be killed by those means. I NEVER pretended to have asked. IT was VOLUNTEERED by a lying holobugger as proof. Get your story straight. > If you cannot even be honest about what you asked for, I see no point >in going on with this charade. Excuse me but in your first message on this subject you were asking. Now suddenly you know. This is OFF TOPIC. ONLY the validity of the Wannsee Protocol is on topic. Lets us get to it. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Wed Nov 20 09:18:52 PST 1996 Article: 80603 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history,alt.bonehead.matt-giwer Subject: Re: Twelve Questions Matt Giwer won't Answer (Month 11) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:23:50 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <329305ac.38020458@news.gte.net> References: <56uksf$778@viper.txdirect.net> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229143.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:80603 soc.history:10597 alt.bonehead.matt-giwer:655 On 20 Nov 1996 10:00:47 GMT, fatbroad@veritas.nizkor.org (Fatbroad! (OFB)) wrote: >Archive/File: people/g/giwer.matt/giwer-10q >Last-Modified: 1996/09/26 > >"He who makes a claim bears the responsibility > of supporting it." (Matt Giwer) > >Question 1 [February 1996] >-------------------------- > Excuse me, maam or sir as the case may be, these quesitons originate from a synagogue that has denied it has anything to do with nizkor while soliciting contributions. When the synagogue decides to be honest enough, i.e. to stop being lying jews, then I will consider answering these questions. In the mean time there is no need for addtional people to front for the lying jews at the synagogue. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Wed Nov 20 09:18:53 PST 1996 Article: 80604 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism,aus.general,aus.politics Subject: Re: Australian PM Revisionist Of The Year !!!! Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:17:10 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 52 Message-ID: <329303e6.37566942@news.gte.net> References: <564q05$694@jerry.loop.net> <328661F6.7B2F@ma.ultranet.com> <5680me$cac@jerry.loop.net> <5695cj$734@camel1.mindspring.com> <328A1877.DFF@gr.cns.net> <56d9fq$62q@camel4.mindspring.com> <328B3D10.2590@anteater.net> <56g3c4$51d@camel2.mindspring.com> <56hqnp$m9l@inet.dit.ie> <328C8A71.1462@isdead.com> <56ig93$poe@opera.iinet.net.au> <3293b852.2911026@news.sydney.apana.org.au> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229143.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:92794 alt.revisionism:80604 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 07:50:47 GMT, raj@gco.apana.org.au (Raj Thomas) wrote: >On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:31:57 GMT, schneik@iinet.net.au wrote: > >>John Howar, the first truly racis Prime Ministe of Australia >>was awarde the prestigious ROTY ( Revisionist Of The Year ) >>award at a secret ceremony held in >>Sydneys sewers, narrowly beating David Irving by a small margin > >I take issue with this. >I don't think that your can really compare little John to David >Irving. > >David Irving is banned in half a dozen countries for anti-semitic >revisionism. John Howard is just a right wing populist poplitician >without sense or compassion. He is banned for violation of the human right of free speech that pre-existed governments. He was prosecuted and convicted for exercising his human rights and the governments that did so and support such a thing are in tyrannies. >David Howard denies the reality of the Holocaust, an event that killed >6 million. John Howard just want more votes and probably believes that >the way to do that is to deny that Aborigines were killed ( about >500,000 I think ). Get the holocaust story straight. It was 12 million of which 10 million lie undiscovered in mass graves all over eastern europe. You folks never get your story straight. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Wed Nov 20 09:18:54 PST 1996 Article: 80605 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Breaking the Giwer Rules (was Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:20:18 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <329304fe.37846181@news.gte.net> References: <54fvdl$jb6@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <326DABCF.4464A533@vertigo.combase.com> <199610231658.AA14832@world.std.com> <3270D751.7DD08F9C@vertigo.combase.com> <54sp0c$3d7@is05.micron.net> <54toe3$jnr@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <327331A3.6792331A@vertigo.combase.com> <9c3_9610290041@tor250.org> <558n0l$qeo@news.gate.net> <327E2729.6FA4@gryn.org><54fvdl$jb6@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <326DABCF.4464A533@vertigo.combase.com> <199610231658. <328d9cdd.36050078@news.gte.net> <9ba_9611171031@tor250.org> <848412256.6267.0@vertigo.combase.com> <3292387a.35608811@news.gte.net> <329ecb7e.54123023@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229143.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:17:21 GMT, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) wrote: >In <3292387a.35608811@news.gte.net>, himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka >Veggie Garden) wrote: > >[snip] > >> Have patience with him. He is a canadian. Silver beavers need all >>the help they can get. > >Dear Mr. Himmel, > >I do not wish to cut short this discussion, but according to netcop >Matt Giwer, it is off topic. All the you are allowed to do in this >newsgroup is to "do revisionism," whatever that means, and I cannot >see how this thread is "doing revisionism." That is true and as the holobuggers get the word and leave this newsgroup things will get back to the way the should be. It is just a matter of time before they all call the Nizkor synagogue and get the new game plan. >Frankly, some of us are fed up with Matt's childishly petulant antics >and would be grateful if others would not provoke him to stink up the >place with any more of his shit. If you are fed up, then participate in doing revisionism and stop spamming the conference. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Sid@Yid.verycom Wed Nov 20 09:18:54 PST 1996 Article: 80610 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!news.pac.gte.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: Sid@Yid.verycom (Sidney the Yid) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Freudian Jew of the 3rd kind shit Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:48:14 GMT Organization: Hollywood Lines: 56 Message-ID: <3290304b.74699043@news.gte.net> References: <559t30$1m2s@news.gate.net> <56hb0m$hqb@news3.gte.net> Reply-To: Sid@Yid.verycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228028.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:42:09 -0600, bodhi@sattva.org (Bodhisattva) wrote: >In article <56hb0m$hqb@news3.gte.net>, *@*.* wrote: > >> bodhi@sattva.org (Bodhisattva) wrote: >> >> >Hi Matt. Good to see you back, you Hitlerhugging pansy! >> >> >> >In article <559t30$1m2s@news.gate.net>, MATT GIWER spewed in drunken >> >incoherence: >> >> >> We really do need to look at the the third kind Jews who >> >continue to pretend >> >> that there is something of merit in Freudian phsychology. >> >> >> >> Consider the Freud NEVER cured anyone nor has any of his >> >followers ever cured >> >> anyone. >> >> >Please indicate any instance where a course of psychiatric or >> >psychological treatment has "cured" people in significant numbers. I >> >don't expect an answer from you, coward. No pressure, mama's boy. >> >> Shut up you stupid handle. > >An interesting reply from someone who, after humiliating his "good" family >with his puerile onanism on this ng, is forced to run from IP to IP using >silly-ass "handles" like "prince", "lepercon" and "* *". Are these >"stupid"? Sure, but the *real* reason you're seen almost unanimously as >pond scum is that you are a bilious wanker. > >So, are you going to respond, or are you going to keep digging the deep >hole into which you have so compliantly dug yourself? You are truly demented. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Mon Nov 25 06:20:03 PST 1996 Article: 80629 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 'These mentally diseased people were taken into the gas chambers' Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:43:20 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 66 Message-ID: <3292ed5c.31796357@news.gte.net> References: <56tlh2$lko@juliana.sprynet.com> <56u2eh$802@access2.digex.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229143.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 19 Nov 1996 23:46:09 -0500, mstein@access2.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: >In article <56tlh2$lko@juliana.sprynet.com>, wrote: >>> dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: >>> Excerpts from the testimony of Alfons Klein, who was employed at >>> the "Euthanasia" (mercy killing) center in Hadamar >>> [Quoted in "The Hadamar Trial", p. 87] >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >[snip] > >>> Q. Who was in charge of this Foundation? >>> >>> A. At that time I was told that the office of the Fuehrer was in charge >>> of it. >[snip] > >>He was told just doesn't cut it. We need more proof than that. > > A facsimile of Reich justice minister Gu"rtner's copy of the initial >order for the euthanasia program, with Hitler's HANDWRITTEN signature plus >Gu"rtner's own handwritten note at the bottom, may be seen opposite the >title page of Friedlander, Henry: "The Origins of Nazi Genocide: From >Euthanasia to the Final Solution" [University of North Carolina Press, >1995]. > > Does that help? Guess what? Should physician assisted suicide ever become completely legal in the US then it will become eligable for medicare and medicaid coverage. And then there will be the signature of a US President upon a very similar bill. And the "assisted suicide" will be applied to those who are wards of the state and the government will be making these determinations. And whatever you opinion of the social justification, abortion is already under that same umbrella. In fact West Germany refused to make abortion legal on the grounds that in the future it might be judged to be immoral as was their euthanasia program earlier, just as you are doing now. If euthansia is a legal option and the person is a ward of the state then the state is under the legal obligation to consider euthansia. That is the way governments work. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Sid@Yid.verycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:04 PST 1996 Article: 80633 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!nntp.mbnet.mb.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!news.pac.gte.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: Sid@Yid.verycom (Sidney the Yid) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: ihr7 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:48:09 GMT Organization: Hollywood Lines: 63 Message-ID: <32902eb0.74288094@news.gte.net> References: <56hau8$hqb@news3.gte.net> <328d7dcf.741808541@news.micron.net> <328DCE9E.3ED9@rio.com> <848252218.26512.6@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: Sid@Yid.verycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228028.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 07:38:01 -0500, Hardwire wrote: >Chuck Ferree wrote: > >> Thus, late in 1944, pit burning became the chief method of >> corpse disposal. The >> pits had indentations at one end from which human fat drained >> off. To keep the >> pits burning, the stokers poured oil, alcohol, and large >> quantities of boiling human >> fat over the bodies. >> > >Whoa there. I thought it was mentioned that NO fuel was used in the >method developed by Wirth? Isn't alcohol and oil fuel? What's with the >discrepancy here? (Serious questions -- no humour or argueing about it >this time) > >Were the corpses disposed of with a method that did not use conventional >fuel, or was Wirth, or whoever quoted Wirth at the time, lying or >misinformed? These folks never learn. Look at it this way. The human fat does NOT burn the first time but only after it has drained and been poured on a second time. Jewish fat has very, very strange properties. Beyond that, what you are reading in that uncited summary is an amalgam of several stories that in their other details contradict each other IN ADDITION TO reporting the human fat only burns the second time around. If it does not burn the first time around, it must have run out of the Kremas. But watch the response to the following. As it is clear from the Treblinka witnesses that human fat does not burn the first time it is subjected to flames THEN the fat content of the body can NOT be used to explain the mixture of "well fed and emaciated" bodies in the Kremas. Again, you are asked to believe the impossible solely for the purpose of supporting holobuggery. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Sid@Yid.verycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:06 PST 1996 Article: 80634 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!nntp.mbnet.mb.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!news.pac.gte.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: Sid@Yid.verycom (Sidney the Yid) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:48:51 GMT Organization: Hollywood Lines: 61 Message-ID: <32903964.77028852@news.gte.net> References: <56haq0$hqb@news3.gte.net> <56jhue$sp8@news.enter.net> <328eb9c3.107662611@news.gte.net> <328f9c4b.178112648@news.txdirect.net> Reply-To: Sid@Yid.verycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228028.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 rOn Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:46:19 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote: >On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:56:52 GMT, email@add.ress (Full Name) wrote: > >>On 16 Nov 1996 05:03:10 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> >>>> *@*.* (* *) writes: >>>> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: > >> The stereotypical litte jew boy. Bearing false witness against a >>gentile where it is not a sin. Fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck >>off, fuck off. Tell me all about it, jewboy. Report the crime you >>cowardly litte jew. > >[text deleted] > >> The sick and cowardly lying jew continue to sin, to lie to break >>the commandments of his god because it is OK to do it to gentiles. >> >> Come on you lying little jew coward, do something. Report the >>crimes you filthy lying jew. >> >> FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF > >This is nn absolutely splendid example of the vocabulary employed by >bigots, racists, anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers! How proud their >fellow-misanthropes must be when they read such enlightened and >cultured responses! The gentleman's mother and sister must light up >with joy when they hear what emanates from his oral cloaca. > > >> Report it wimp jew. It is jews like you that make me wish the >>holocaust had happened and had been more efficient instead just having >>gotten 238.421 members of your immediate family. > >Here we have another superb example of the mentality of Holocaust >denial: "I don't believe the Holocaust took place but I wish it had." >The gentleman ought to take the pledge. It appears you are defending your fellow little jew shit scumbag liar. It that really want you are intending to do, jew scum? ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Mon Nov 25 06:20:07 PST 1996 Article: 80640 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!info.ucla.edu!nnrp.info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:53:36 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 94 Message-ID: <3292f07b.32595515@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559u0o$1m2s@news.gate.net> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <327fdff5.15295167@news.demon.co.uk> <3283539b.217744@pubnews.demon.co.uk> <847904287.2404.9@vertigo.combase.com> <328A5D09.3AA1@nbnet.nb.ca> <847981962.5832.1@vertigo.combase.com> <328bf2cc.200524051@news.txdirect.net> <848091299.14332.0@vertigo.combase.com> <328d373d.10034413@news.gte.net> <328ec0d4.121920857@news.txdirect.net> <848253774.26512.8@vertigo.combase.com> <328f8724.172696713@news.txdirect.net> <848403827.3949.1@vertigo.combase.com> <32923530.60066766@news.txdirect.net> <32927499.881765@news.gte.net> <3292a9a4.10572103@news.txdirect.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229143.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:92850 alt.revisionism:80640 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:06:07 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote: >On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 03:07:46 GMT, himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie >Garden) wrote: > >>On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:36:54 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal >>OBE) wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:44:44 -0500, Hardwire >>> wrote: >>> >>>>Harry W. Mazal OBE wrote: >>>> >>>>[Unimportant stuph deleted] >>> >>>Stuph? > >>>Quite so. This is a free country. If Mr. "Hardwire" wishes to >>>remain anonymous, he is at total liberty to do so. He cannot, >>>however, expect his credibility to soar. >> >> How does one know that Harry W. Mazal is your real name? And as we >>do not, what credibility does that give you? Rather what does the >>name used have to do with credibility? > >Let's see now. This discussion is being conducted between Harry W. >Mazal (my real name) How do we know? and a gentleman calling himself "Hardwire." >Hardwire has refused, for reasons that are entirely his business, to >reveal his real identity. The implication that he may have been one >Mr. Giwer has been rejected by him, and an apology was tendered. > >We now have someone calling himself "himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka >Veggie Garden" (and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize >this fellow's identity) valiantly coming to the defense of Mr. >Hardwire. Defense? I am asking you. How do we know you are who you claim to be? Want to post a verifiable address and phone number? >How very odd. Mr. Harwire energetically protests that he is not >Mr. Giwer, and who comes to his rescue? Hmmm Actually, I am ABaron. >Methinks he doth protest too much. (With apologies to Wm. >Shakespeare) And Ken McVay. >As for my personal identity, this should be fairly simple for even the >most obtuse to verify. Mr. Baron did it and he is not exactly >Cambridge University material. My objective was to frame a synagogue. >[text deleted] > > > >Harry W. Mazal OBE > >Nizkor (USA) An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource >Over 1000 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org >Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/ >Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!) Got that Mazal, you are fronting a synagogue that has denied being a jewish front. One more example of lying jews. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From impoverished@shtetl.com Mon Nov 25 06:20:07 PST 1996 Article: 80646 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) Newsgroups: misc.invest.stocks,misc.invest,misc.invest.misc,misc.invest.canada,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics.misc,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-Power,soc.culture.usa,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.equality,alt.politics.correct,alt.discrimination Subject: Re: list of jewish powerlords Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 07:24:31 GMT Organization: Schwitzerland Lines: 56 Message-ID: <32915c3b.29571125@news.gte.net> References: <56lk21$jkl@nnrp3.farm.idt.net> <32908100.164D@ere.umontreal.ca> <329143fd.106299732@news.txdirect.net> Reply-To: impoverished@shtetl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228137.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca misc.invest.stocks:61617 misc.invest:77348 misc.invest.canada:13867 alt.society.conservatism:61583 alt.politics.usa.constitution:102665 alt.politics.nationalism.white:36314 alt.revisionism:80646 soc.culture.usa:99141 alt.conspiracy:111925 talk.politics.misc:510821 alt.politics.correct:157194 alt.discrimination:56493 On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 05:33:42 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote: >On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:30:08 -0400, Alan Belkin > wrote: > >>ourhero@ftcnet.com wrote: >>> >>> taken from the #1 web page >>> http://www.ftcnet.com/~ourhero >>> >>> 8/30/96 >>> >>> the 1st have is a list of media magnates the second list is a list of >>> wall st >>> magnates . . . of course this list is purely kosher.. >> >>[snip] >> >>Why don't you bigots crawl back under the rock you came from? > >Mr. Belkin is quite right, of course. Unfortunately the slugs and >other (far more sentient) creatures might object vehemently. > >If these dreadful creatures really want something to crow about, they >are invited to peruse the following: > > http://grove.ufl.edu/~mcolker/jews.html > >after which they can eat their hearts out! 404 Not Found The requested URL /~mcolker/jews.html was not found on this server. Anybody can do that. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Mon Nov 25 06:20:08 PST 1996 Article: 80661 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 04:58:33 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 73 Message-ID: <32928fa7.7808247@news.gte.net> References: <328e293b.43151130@news.micron.net> <56l909$dj8@news.enter.net> <848252800.26512.7@vertigo.combase.com> <56nv9u$amr@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <32903700.76416108@news.gte.net> <32914160.105630859@news.txdirect.net> <329157a7.28399685@news.gte.net> <3292468a.64509865@news.txdirect.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229147.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:37:21 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote: >On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 06:50:38 GMT, impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank >billions) wrote: > >>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 05:33:39 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal >>OBE) wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:48:42 GMT, Sid@Yid.verycom (Sidney the Yid) >>>wrote: >>> >>>>On 17 Nov 1996 21:15:42 GMT, brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon) >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>>Yale Edeiken clearly states: >>>>> >>>>>>> a civil matter. What the criminal Giwer did was a crime. > >[text deleted] > > >> And you are really so stupid that you think, in this conference >>where holobuggering lying jews are so common that you think your words >>are more than the jew shit they are. >> >> You remind me of the occasional newbie on alt.flame. You post your >>best up front and find it is only to be scorned. >> >> But continue to play mommy, pig shit jew. You are a silly as the >>real jewesses here. > > >Excellent, even extraordinary! The gentleman uses his six-hundred >word vocabulary to extoll the virtues of his intellect. By heaping >scorn on the use of proper language and discourse, he has destroyed >his credibility and respect. > >Once upon a time, before the gentleman's neurons were completely >numbed by his dependency, it was interetsting to enter into debate >with him. Now, one can only try to help him see reason and undertake >treatment before the damage is irreversible. > >Harry W. Mazal OBE Do you notice how alone you have been the last few days? Perhaps you should call the Nizkor Syangogue and get the new game plan. >Nizkor (USA) An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource >Over 1000 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org >Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/ >Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!) The URL, the mail drop and the synagogue phone number. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Mon Nov 25 06:20:09 PST 1996 Article: 80662 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 05:02:04 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 55 Message-ID: <3292904c.7972858@news.gte.net> References: <56haq0$hqb@news3.gte.net> <56jhue$sp8@news.enter.net> <328eb9c3.107662611@news.gte.net> <328f9c4b.178112648@news.txdirect.net> <3291898b.88159934@news.micron.net> <3291DF31.7582@rio.com> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229147.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:24:17 +0000, Chuck Ferree wrote: >Chuck Ferree writes: > >"The criminal giwer is wrong again!" Or to put it another way. The >Liar Gywier is still wrong. Kurt, who may be of some relation >(probably un-wholesome) to gywer defends him as if he could persuade >someone out there of something well...uh..Mmmm...lost my train of >thought forget it. > >stele, you lil turd, you gonna come after me like a mad dog? > > > >Kurt Stele wrote: >> >> On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:46:19 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal >> OBE) wrote: >> >> >On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:56:52 GMT, email@add.ress (Full Name) wrote: >> >> >> Oh yes, Mazeltoff, you just succeeding in discrediting Holocaust >> deniers. It's all over now. (snarf) > > >Sure it is...in your wildest dreams. Show me just one argument that >giwer has won and I'll chew up my own army boots. Promise. > >Chuckle Fairy Have you checked into the news about the BILLIONS of dollars those poor eastern european jews are claiming at still in Swiss Banks after fifty years of deposits being found and returned? You agreed with me that it is a ridiculous claim. But now that you know the WJC is making the claim, what is your opinion? ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Mon Nov 25 06:20:10 PST 1996 Article: 80663 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!solace!news.stealth.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 05:04:11 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 58 Message-ID: <3292912e.8199204@news.gte.net> References: <56haq0$hqb@news3.gte.net> <56jhue$sp8@news.enter.net> <328eb9c3.107662611@news.gte.net> <328f9c4b.178112648@news.txdirect.net> <3291898b.88159934@news.micron.net> <329248d9.65101090@news.txdirect.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229147.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:37:24 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote: >On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:20:41 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) >wrote: > >>On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:46:19 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal >>OBE) wrote: >> >>>On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:56:52 GMT, email@add.ress (Full Name) wrote: >> >>>> FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF >>> >>>This is an absolutely splendid example of the vocabulary employed by >>>bigots, racists, anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers! How proud their >>>fellow-misanthropes must be when they read such enlightened and >>>cultured responses! The gentleman's mother and sister must light up >>>with joy when they hear what emanates from his oral cloaca. >> >>Oh yes, Mazeltoff, you just succeeding in discrediting Holocaust >>deniers. It's all over now. (snarf) >> >>Kurt Stele > > >It is Mr. Mazal, Mr. Stele (Smith). You may, (and often do) call me >whatever you wish, but it is boorish not to respect my wishes. As for >discrediting Holocaust deniers (and thank you for using the word >"deniers" -- most people take umbrage at this small word), nothing I >can say discredit Holocaust deniers more than they (and especially >you) do with their foul mouths and trivial insults. > >Surely your mother and father would be apalled at your behaviour. > > > > >Harry W. Mazal OBE How are things in San Antonio, Mr. Goldberg? ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:11 PST 1996 Article: 80675 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: **************** G I W E R R U L E S *************************************************** Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:08:12 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 150 Message-ID: <32939d5f.76446427@news.gte.net> References: <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <32798fa9.24153673@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <56hb04$hqb@news3.gte.net> <328e6ae1.88789722@news.gte.net> <328ff3f9.59257648@news.gte.net> <3290a343.362212464@news.zilker.net> <3290be75.5685580@news.uniserve.com> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm230089.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 02:47:39 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article , Dene Bebbington > wrote: > >> Hilary Ostrov wrote: >> [snipped] >> >Yep. "Revisionism," this great adventure of the 20th century, >> >according to dear old Ingrid (who describes Giwer as "indefatigable"). >> >> Unfortunately, there does seem to be some truth in the description of >> Giwer being indefatigable. > >I bet it was a typo. It was probably supposed to read "uninflatable." I >think it may have been obliquely referring to the Giwer-swine's impotence >due to cronic alcohol abuse. Hey folks, save this one. It is another one sworn to by NIZKOR itself. Do not miss this one. On 24 Sep 1996 07:24:54 -0700, nizkor@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Nizkor Canada) wrote: >Archive/File: camps/aktion.reinhard/sobibor/staff/wagner.gustav >Last-modified: 1993/04/18 >"Oberschafuhrer Gustav Wagner Note that his name if WAGNER. >"The man who actually supervised the routine and daily life at Sobibor was >Gustav Wagner. He was the quartermaster-sergeant of the camp. Moshe Bahir >described him: > "He was a handsome man, tall and blonde -- a pure Aryan. There is no such thing as Aryan but Moses recognizes it immediately even though blond adults were a rarity. In civilian > life he was, no doubt, a well-mannered man; at Sobibor he was a wild > beast. His lust to kill knew no bounds. The SEX connection, a LUST to kill. Real LUST here. Give him lust and nothing but. I saw such terrible scenes > that they give me nightmares to this day. He would snatch babies from > their mothers' arms and tear them to pieces in his hands. Who is this guy, really? Sampson? Tearing babies to pieces with his bare hands? Think about it a minute. Tearing babies apart. Has anyone ever tried tearing apart and uncooked chicken without a knife? How about a rabbit? You have not tried it? Fine, go buy a whole chicken, much smaller than a human baby and tear it apart with your bare hands. ... Now that you are exhausted to no success in this tearing apart a many days dead carcass, what do you think of this claim? You still believe it? You have to be jewish. I saw him > beat two men to death with a rifle, because they did not carry out his > instructions properly, since they did not understand German. I > remember that one night a group of youths aged fifteen or sixteen > arrived in the camp. The head of this group was one Abraham. After a > long and arduous work day, this young man collapsed on his pallet and > fell asleep. Suddenly Wagner came into our barrack, and Abraham did > not hear him call to stand up at once before him. Furious, he pulled > Abraham naked off his bed and began to beat him all over his body. > When Wagner grew weary of the blows, he took out his revolver and > killed him on the spot. This atrocious spectacle was carried out > before all of us, including Abraham's younger brother. <1> Is this not a wonderful description. First he beats people to death with a rifle (quite a difficult proposition but simple to those who believe he could tear infants apart with his bare hands) and then he beats a man with his bear hands. And fhen finally he pulls out a non-regulation revolver and shoots him. Not a Lugar, not a Vis, but a revolver. And noting that earlier he beat a man to death with a rifle instead of simply shooting him with the rifle. Ah well, those wild and crazy guys were at it again. >"Wagner's ruthless behavior toward the Jews is mentioned in some other >testimonies of Sobibor survivors. Ada Lichtman writes that on the fast day >of Yom Kippur, Wagner appeared at the roll call, took out some prisoners, >gave them bread and ordered them to eat. As the prisoners ate the bread, he >laughed loudly; he enjoyed his joke because he knew the Jews he had forced >to eat were pious. <2> He forced them to violate their religion and laughed. Does not every manifestation of pure demonic evil laugh? Real evil is people like the murderer of Paula Klass. Real evil is people like Dahlmer. Real evil does not laugh. But melodramtic, poor fiction evil always laughs. Is there any difference in principle from this "laughing" and Count Dracula, aka Bela Legosi laughing? Why is it that evil only laughs in stories and not in real life? >"Gustav Wagner escaped after the war to Brazil, where he lived openly. The >Brazilian Supreme Court refused to extradite him. In October 1980 his >attorney announced that Wagner had committed suicide." Ah, yes, and Count Dracula escaped to England where he was later reported dead to Van Helsing but lived again in the sequals. ><1> Publication of the Museum of the Combatants and Partisans, Tel Aviv, > April, 1973, p.37 ><2> Ada Lichtman. Yad Vashem Archives, L-11/5, testimony of Ada Lichtman > pp. 36-37 >Excerpted from....---------------------------------------------- >BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - the Operation Reinhard Death Camps >Indiana University Press - Yitzhak Arad, 1987. ISBN 0-253-3429-7 Ah, yes, the collection of melodramatic fairy tales that impresses immature idiots. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Mon Nov 25 06:20:12 PST 1996 Article: 80682 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!newsfeed.luth.se!news.luth.se!newsfeed.sunet.se!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: **************** G I W E R R U L E S *************************************************** Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:38:20 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 332 Message-ID: <329226e3.31106169@news.gte.net> References: <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <32798fa9.24153673@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <56hb04$hqb@news3.gte.net> <328e6ae1.88789722@news.gte.net> <328ff3f9.59257648@news.gte.net> <32902d5e.8937767@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <32913e28.21872178@news.gte.net> <329171f7.92046820@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229121.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:33:05 GMT, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) wrote: >In <32913e28.21872178@news.gte.net>, Matt Giwer posting as >impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) wrote: > >>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:00:16 GMT, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John >>Morris) wrote: > >>>In <328ff3f9.59257648@news.gte.net>, Matt Giwer posting as >>>email@add.ress (Full Name) wrote: > >>>[a demonstration that Matt Giwer knows as little about the history of >>>alt.revisionism as he knows about the holocaust] > >>>> Then join in on the discussion of the subject of revisionism. > >>>Challenging "revisionism" is just as much a discussion of >>>"revisionism" as making "revisionist" assertions. > >> Excuse me. This is NOT a conference for challenging revisionism. >>It is for the discussion of revisionism. If you wish to challenge it, >>go to soc.jewish.holocaust. > >So you say. But my mode of discussing "revisionism" is to challenge >its premises. I think "revisionism" is just another name for Holocaust >denial. I think "revisionism" is a thin disguise for Jew-hatred and >has nothing to do with history. That is how I choose to discuss >"revisionism." Think what you will, pretend to believe what you will. This is not a conference to talk about revisionism, this is a conference to do revisionism. Your opinion has now been expressed. There is no need to repeat it unless someone enters into a conversation on your opinion. The purpose of this conference is to do revisionism, not to run off at the keystrokes on opinions about revisionism. If you wish to do the latter, there are certainly other conferences that will be happy to read your opinions. >Sorry if it doesn't suit you. And if you want to take that as your >warrant to make the newsgroup unusable, that suits me just fine, too. But I have only said that I will make it unusable to those who are posting off topic, such as yourself. And if you insist upon disrupting people who are trying to do revisionism then that puts you at the disadvantage here. >Then all you have a bunch of web pages among tens of thousands that >maybe no one will read. And with you holobuggers here disrupting the conference we have exactly the same thing AND no conference usable to do revisionism. At least this way we regain the conference for its intended purpose. A small gain perhaps, but a gain nevertheless. You won't be able to tell from the hit count >if you have a real audience or whether your readers are people like me >(I read "revisionist" web pages quite frequently). You are describing a situation no different from that way it has always been. But to cut to the chase, no, you will not be missed in the least. None of you will be missed. >>>> Do >>>>not spam holobuggery, > >>>Leaving aside whether "holobuggery" is a civil term, please explain >>>how one discusses "revisionism" without reference to the Holocaust >>>that "revisionism" claims to debunk. > >> Very simply one does not presume that any of the holocaust myths >>are true until they pass rigorous tests including checks against the >>sciences. There is no holocaust, only stories and testimony that have >>to pass muster before being considered. > >I have not presumed any part of the Holocaust to be true until I have >investigated for myself. I really don't know who you think you are >talking to. Save in a flame exchange I would not suggest that you could possibly have done that and still be supporting -- at least with silence -- everything that has been posted here. If you do consider true every bit of holobuggery that has been posted here, then you do not deserve flames but silence. And if you do not believe everything that has been posted here, you are to be cited for you negligent silence. >> On the other hand, this is clearly not the place for constant >>spamming of holocaust stories such as by Keren and McVay. > >You're one to talk! You posted the Wannsee Protocol thriteen times in >eight days without comment. And? I was told it was absolute proof of extermination. I read it. It was no such thing. I posted it many times to demonstrate it was no such thing and given the lack of response, everyone agreed it was no such thing. Then weeks after I stopped, the holobuggers simply started declaring it was and REFUSED to point out which part of is was that proof. Which is the point is it not? If there is going to be discussion then honest discussion is required. A claim was made and no one would support that claim. Eventually all we had was groundless and in fact mindless assertion that it was proof. Where was the discussion? Where was the support of the claim? Why were you silent in failing agree that it was not proof? >> If you wish >>to discuss the subject fine, do so. > >I have been doing so. In fact, I have been doing so in this newsgroup >for a lot longer than you have. You just don't like the way I choose >to do it. > >> But you have to start from the >>presumption that NOTHING is true. > >Been there, done that. When I first stumbled into this newsgroup, I >took the claims of the "revisionists" very seriously and investigated >them thoroughly. By the time you showed up, I had a pretty good idea >of what was valid and what was not. Then why have you not discussed what you investigated and walked us through the exercise and saved a lot of time? >You seem to think, however, that I should stay in some permanent state >of infantile doubt about what I have learned, that I should never draw >conclusions from what I have learned. That may suit you, but it does >not suit me. No one asked you to. The question is, why have you been here spamming holobuggery? Why have you chosen to be off-topic in this conference? >> You can not assume any part of it >>is true until it has been debated and a consensus is reached. > >You are assuming that there can be any kind of real debate. My >experience has been that "revisionists" are more than prepared to >falsify history. Direct lies are rarer than they used to be on >alt.revisionism because "revisionists" have learned the hard way that >there are people willing to check their facts. Now it is more a matter >of selecting evidence on the basis to fit the thesis that the >"Holocaust never happened." > >Nevertheless, it is impossible that there should be a real debate when >one side is happily willing to propagate falsehoods. The discussion >regresses to a matter of assertion and debunking. That is again your opinion but TRUE OR FALSE that does not justify disruption of this conference. Whether you like revisionism or revisionists or any thing else, that does not give you license to post off topic. >> If wish to defend you holocaust ideas then do so according some >>reasonable form of discussion or investigation. > >Whoa. Back up a little. Is it now alright for me to assert the >historicity of the Holocaust? In an appropriate conference where it is on topic. I thought that it was only alright for >me to "discuss 'revisionism'" without reference to the history which >you proposed to revise. Please clarify. Mere assertion is off topic here. >> You do not do it by >>attacking the person posting nor by spamming. > >I don't spam. But you do. > >And I don't call people names like "holobugger," or "stupid shit" or >"Jew slime." But you do. Names are called of those who start the name calling and who make libelous remarks. But you know that. >> You do not insist it is >>true because the person telling the story is crying. > >I never have. > >> If you are not going to participate according to the premises of >>the conference, find another conference. > >Sorry, but I don't accept the premises as you define them. If you want >to take that as your warrant to make the newsgroup unusable, that >suits me just fine. Revisionism will not be discussed here. Then it is up to you to make alt.revisionism unusable for revisionism. I am only interested in stopping its being used for holocaust promotion. BTW: Have you noticed the reduction in message traffic lately? And that what is being posted is mainly revisionist? That looks like progress to me. You may thank me later. >>>> do not start making wild accusations like >>>>revisionism equals hatred, do be disruptive. > >>>It is an empirical observation that in many cases "revisionists" >>>appear to be motivated by a hatred of Jews. It is a valid claim to >>>make about the "revisionist" project when so many of its proponents >>>hate Jews. > >> EVEN IF IT IS an empirical observation, there are certainly many >>other of the 28,000+ conferences in which you can post the >>observation. MAKING the accusation has nothing to do with revisionism >>and is off topic here. > >By the same token, neither does making the accusation that someone is >a "lying Jewish shit." Perhaps you would like to take those >observations to one of the alt.white.losers groups. When someone is a jew and is lying then he is a lying jew. If a jew wants to post lies here then he will be called what he is. Do you have a problem wth that? >> FACT, even if everyone here were to clearly state that they hate >>JEWS that would have NOTHING to do with whether or not there is any >>truth to the holocaust. > >You are absolutely right. But if it were shown that the vast majority >of "revisionists" were motivated by hatred of Jews, it would certainly >say something about "revisionism" and that, as you say, is the topic >of discussion here. It would say nothing other than that some people are so foolish as to be decieved by a logical fallacy that was formally identified over two thousand years ago. It is also a common method of propaganda. BUT if you wish to demonstrate motivation, perhaps you will need to start your own conference to post the results of all the investigators you hire. The "vast majority" are not on this conference. Unless you could show something about those participating here, you would have nothing and if you did it would not be on topic. You appear to be promoting the idea there is a vast anti-semitic plan here, may I say conspiracy. Where do they meet? In the same place the jews meet to conspire? >> Therefore, any discussion of that here has >>nothing to do with the holocaust, therefore it is off topic here. Go >>find another conference. > >Now you've lost me. I thought the topic of discussion here was >"revisionism." Shouldn't I say at this point that, if you want to >discuss the Holocaust, you should find another conference? You appear to be trying to pick nits with wording. That is not constructive. >>>> You are invited to >>>>participate civilly. > >>>But YOU don't have to be civil, do you? As your web page states you >>>strive for "offensive" and "in your face" [sic] confrontations instead >>>of reasoned discussions. Why the double standard? Why are you exempt >>>from the standards you set for others? > >> That particular web page says NOTHING about me. > >You wrote it. Do you not stand by your words? Does the page not >represent your position? It says nothing about me. It says what it says. Ad hominem is still a fallacy. >> It says what I am >>looking for in the collection of web sites. A confrontational >>attitude FOR PURPOSES OF A WEBSITE says nothing about my intensions. > >Alright. Leave aside your web page for a minute. You have stated that >I am "invited" to post here if I am civil about it. But YOU don't have >to be civil, do you? Why the double standard? Why are you exempt from >the standards you set for others? I respond in kind. Do you really believe YFE is telling the truth? Was he lying when he said he was jewish also? The man is lying and he is a jew, therefore a lying jew. Is there anything about that which escapes you? >> As you apparently have not noticed, this newsgroup is not a >>website. That website is to promote what some groups do not want >>people to hear. > >You missed my point. Why are you exempt from your own standard that >people have to be civil? > >> And in line with that and reasoned discussions, If you wish to >>participate in reasoned discussions here, do so. > >I have done so all along. You just make it more difficult by spamming >the newsgroup with your useless toss off posts that do little more >than call someone "a lying Jew." >Do you have any idea what a chore it is to wade through all that crap >to see if you have made a substantial argument? Only to end up wearily >saying, "Why bother? You can't discuss anything with someone who is >demonstrably a loud-mouthed jerk?" Whatever you may intend by your >petty insults, that is how you come across when you post dozens of >"lying Jew" posts. You appear to be attempting to turn this entire discussion into a a defense of YFE and his deliberate and knowing lies. Is there a reason for this? ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Mon Nov 25 06:20:13 PST 1996 Article: 80683 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Anti-semitic acts Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 07:18:14 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3292afc8.16033156@news.gte.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229034.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Having followed the news reports of such things over the years, and having taken the time to look for the follow-up stories, one thing is very clear, something approaching 90% of them are committed by Jews. In fact it is a rarity to find a non-Jew as the perpetrator of such "hate" crimes. Thus, given current events, lets us consider that Krystallnacht was perpetrated by Jews, as that is most likely. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Mon Nov 25 06:20:13 PST 1996 Article: 80686 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.interactive.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Mr. Raven, please cite your sources Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:03:56 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 105 Message-ID: <3292d489.25441205@news.gte.net> References: <329101e2.6999257@news.gte.net> <85IQLQAotgkyEw0p@bebbo.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229034.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:32:56 +0000, Dene Bebbington wrote: >Swiss bank billions wrote: >>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 19:28:13 +0000, Dene Bebbington >> wrote: >> >>>In good old revisionist style, perhaps I should point out that the >>>testimony of Hoess and his torturers are not fully consistent, couple >>>that with the fact that this is only testimony - then any revisionist >>>out there would have to conclude that the story of Hoess's torture is a >>>sham and never happened. >> >> As such, you have no basis for claiming it was a sham and never >>happened. All you are doing is giving your opinion of the allegation. > >Hey, look out Matt, there's some irony that just passed right by your >head without you spotting it. Better writers than you have failed at irony. Perhaps you would care to underline it next time to make it obvious. >> You do not have complete access to those involved, you had no >>opportunity to question them under oath and no one else did either. > >And Mr Raven is in the same situation. Precisely BUT the allegation was made and you have only your personal opinion on the allegation as there was no investigation of the allegation. So we have an allegation, confession if you will, by one of the torturers and your opinion of the allegation. As such, you are at a supreme disadvantage. Had there been an investigation and the "confession" retracted under oath you would be in fat city. If he had sustained it under oath I would be in fat city. As it is we have a clear statement by one of the torturers. Thus we are left with a reasonable answer to the question as to why Hoess would sign his own death warrant with that testimony. It is not reasonable to suggest a man like Hoess would suddenly be stricken with remorse particularly if guilty. >> That is one of the real reasons the police hold such >>investigations, to get the people on record and come to a conclusion >>based upon the investigation. When such an investigation does not >>occur, then situations like this arise, where there is no basis for >>rejecting the allegation other than opinion. > >And therefore no basis for accepting it other than opinion. Precisely but it does explain why Hoess would sign his own death warrant without any reason to do so. >But the point I was making was not really about this incident, but was >just a comment about the spurious methodology and inconsistency of >revisionists. We constantly hear hysterical cries against the Holocaust >because much of it is based on testimony, but it's amazing how the >revisionists use testimony when it suits them - ie. to try and cast >doubt on an event which ironically they think testimony is not good >enough for. Haven't you spotted the fickleness of this revisionist >method yet, or is that beyond you as well? It is fine with me if you are interested in discussing this matter without reference to any testimony. Any time you are ready. But when holohuggers insist upon using testimony then testimony is a legitimate response. By responding with testimony holohuggers are forced for face (honest ones at least) that testimony can not be considered absolute. >Using your revisonist tactics we can just as easily dismiss anything >such as the article regarding the supposed torture of Hoess. In fact the >problem with these revisionist tactics is that we can totally reject >almost any history, or accept it, simply based on our own bias. And if we continue rejecting testimony we can reject Hoess's and all the rest of the testimony. Testimony is either in or it is out. If out, lets go from there. If it is in, then we test all testimony against the ultimate sounding board of physical law, then of common experience and finally of likely human behavior. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Mon Nov 25 06:20:14 PST 1996 Article: 80688 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.interactive.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Hitler Talks About the Jews, I Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:15:40 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 82 Message-ID: <3292d7a8.26240748@news.gte.net> References: <32917979.37057403@news.gte.net> <32924e6b.66526731@news.txdirect.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229034.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:37:31 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote: >On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:11:00 GMT, impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank >billions) wrote: > >>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:25:41 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) >>wrote: >> >>>Speech by Hitler, January 31, 1939 > >> >> spam, spam, spam, spam, >> Lovely spam, glorious spam. >> >>===== > >SPAM? So what is this? (URL's mangled to conserve bandwidth) >http://www.webcom.com/~ezu >http://194.243.91.7/ISL >http://www.wsu.edu:80e >http://www.eskimo.com/~ralp >http://home1.gte.net/mgi >http://flashback.se/~r >http://www.webcom.com/ez >http://www.hoffman-in >http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihr >http://www.codoh.com/irvi >http://www.codo >http://www.abbc.com/aaar >http://pubweb.acns.nw >http://www.air-ph >http://www.adam.co You are really very silly with the comment of conserving bandwidth. One disk of a twenty disk posting on the IBM warez conference, out of hundreds of such postings per day, it more than this conference posts in a week probably three weeks. You wasted must more time paring the list than it would have taken to transmit it to every ISP in the world. You really are new to this aren't you? Bandwidth is not a consideration on USENET given what does exist and is carried. Now that you know, do not waste your time again. Usenet runs something like 8 gigabytes a week, probably more, for the basic 28,000 groups. The simple list of groups is larger than this conference produces in weeks and MCI transmits the list twice a day IN ADDITION TO all of the messages in those groups. You are really wasting your time. But do not let me discourage you. >Harry W. Mazal OBE > >Nizkor (USA) An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource >Over 1000 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org >Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/ >Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!) The URL, the Mail Drop and the synagogue phone number. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Mon Nov 25 06:20:15 PST 1996 Article: 80689 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Tries Another Lie Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:12:04 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 77 Message-ID: <3292e70d.30181891@news.gte.net> References: <32918b1d.88561384@news.micron.net> <56sp22$jse@news.enter.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229143.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 19 Nov 1996 16:59:46 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: > > >> >> > Why should I retract the truth, nazi boy. I repeat: they swore to it >under >> >> >oath. The prosecutors accepted it as true. The court accepted it as >true. >> >That >> >> >is one side. On the other side, we have a a phony denial from you >writing under >> >a >> >> >psuedonym. > >> >> Gee, they give testimony at arraignment hearing in Montana these >> >> days? But it was on CNN so it has to be true. > >> > Actually they were arrested (and interrogated with videotape) in >> >Michigan. The sworn statements occurred, as I have stated several times, >in >> >pre-trial motions filed in the Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh County. >Testimony >> >was heard on these motions, argument presented, and a decision made. >The >> >decision accepted as fact the claim of the brothers Freeman that they were >> >members of the NA. > >> > Sorry, criminal one. You have been caught in another lie. > >> Not a lie, a reference to the other far more publicized "Freemen" case >> in Montana -- an obvious and easy switch-up as you know quite well, >> Jew liar Yale -- rather than the Freeman brothers case in >> Pennsylvania. > > In other words the criminal Giwer was too stupid to know what others >were referring to, yet chose to insert his befouled oar anyway. Shit ass, pig shit, drunken jew refuses to report the crime. He prefers to bear false witness in contradition to the laws given to his Moses by his god. But the lying little creep is an atheist and a jew in race only. >> Now: for the 5th time, are you going to retract your lies about the >> Freeman brothers being in the NA or are you going to continue to >> persist in yet another lie? > > I repeat. I can neither retract the truth or accede to your attempt to >distance your nut group from its connection with a rather horrible crime. It is not >just that the brothers Freeman were members of the NA -- they were -- but that >they have specifically stated that one of the motivating factors in their decision >to murder their parents and torture their borther to death was the objection of >their parents to their membership in the NA. Cite the fucking law you lying little drunken jew. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Mon Nov 25 06:20:16 PST 1996 Article: 80695 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!newsfeed.luth.se!news.luth.se!newsfeed.sunet.se!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:19:55 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 54 Message-ID: <3292402c.37571391@news.gte.net> References: <329187ac.87680651@news.micron.net> <56soc3$jse@news.enter.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229121.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 19 Nov 1996 16:48:03 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: > >> > Why. It pushes the criminal Giwer's buttons very nicely. The criminal >> >Giwer could end it very easily. He could apologize for what was an outrageous >> >invasion of my privacy. > >> I thought we were talking about criminal law and not tort? Get your >> stories straight, crybaby Jew dirtbag lawyer. > > I'm sorry if the reasoning process available to a reasonably bright >third-grader is beyond you. Many of the criminal Giwer's activities has been >violations of the criminal law. Others have been tortious. Others have been >neither but are in violation of the contracts he signed with various ISPs. Hey, lying scum jew, report me. Sober up and report me. >> If the only law Giwer violated is "hate crime law" (struck down so far >> as constitutional and are as such unlawful regulations of speech) then >> he and anyone else should be proud to have violated such Jew-inspired >> laws from the likes of Jew traitors like Yale and his fellow ADL >> sleazeballs. It is an honor to violate a Jew/ADL Orwellian speech >> law. Fuck you Jew. > > The "hate crime laws" -- Pennsylvania's is an enhancment statute which >increases the penalty -- have hardly been struck down. In fact, the opposite is >true. Lying scum jew, report me. Little scum cowardly drunken jew. Come on, little boy, report the crimes. Fuck off, fuck off, fuck off. There are more crimes for you to report. stupid shit. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:17 PST 1996 Article: 80700 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!uunet!in3.uu.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.texas.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars... Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:19:25 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <32939f1c.76891374@news.gte.net> References: <19961120043800.XAA09140@ladder01.news.aol.com> <19961120055600.AAA10637@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm230089.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:28:10 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article <19961120055600.AAA10637@ladder01.news.aol.com>, ceacaa@aol.com >wrote: > >> Mark Van Alstine wrote on 07 Nov 1996 >> Comments in Capitals > >More like Mr. Allen's faux pas in capitals. Obviously, Mr. Allen has never >read Broad's description of a gassing in **** KREMA I ***** very >carefully. If he had, he wouldn't have made such an ass of himslef by >braying in caps.... Why would one wish to read a description of what happened in a building that had no room that could have served as a gas chamber? As we know the curator of the museam had to create such a room based upon the conflicting descriptions. He has no idea what it really was or if it really existed. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:17 PST 1996 Article: 80712 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.texas.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Information for Holocaust Revisionists Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:01:37 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 57 Message-ID: <32939b54.75923980@news.gte.net> References: <328c2b79.73530678@news.gte.net> <328e698e.88450835@news.gte.net> <56uc3e$ccf@access2.digex.net> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm230089.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:57:33 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article <56uc3e$ccf@access2.digex.net>, mstein@access2.digex.net >(Michael P. Stein) wrote: > >> In article <328e698e.88450835@news.gte.net>, Matt Giwer (mgiwer@gte.net) >> wrote: >> >On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:37:12 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) >> >wrote: >> >>Funny thing is that I asked about this in the aviation >> >>groups. One fellow who flew a Mustang in the war said that >> >>he once shouted instructions to a comrade on the ground >> >>(while flying), and that the other fellow had no special >> >>problems hearing him. >> > >> > You are lying. You are telling a very stupid lie. And you know >> >you telling a very stupid lie. >> > >> > And if I give you the benefit of the doubt that you were in fact >> >told that then you were sent out for a left handed monkey wrench and >> >he just made a fool of you. >> >> In other words, you have no idea what was said. You could have gone >> to DejaNews and seen what was said by searching for the keywords "pilot," >> "ground," and "Mustang." However, you announced a conclusion without even >> looking at the data. >> >> As suspected, you are not a scientist. > >Equally suspected, is that the Giwer-swine is perpetually snockered. Only >a drunk on a (never-ending) bender could have written such gibberish and >thought it proved something besides his insobriety. Another malicious, slandering, lying jew puts in his six palestinians worth. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:18 PST 1996 Article: 80713 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.texas.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: "Umfallen" and deliberate mistranslation Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:01:33 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 84 Message-ID: <32939857.75158546@news.gte.net> References: <19961119183400.NAA27422@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm230089.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:47:59 -0500, jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote: >dvdthomas@aol.com (DThomas) wrote: > >> Jamie McCarthy wrote: >> >> > Remember, DThomas is the one who says we must set aside our personal >> > feelings about each other and _pretend_ that we respect each other, in >> > order for discussion about the Holocaust to take place. >> >> You still don't get it (perhaps you never will). A good pretense might be >> enough to make the other party open up, but it does nothing for the closed >> mind of the pretender--thus, no communication. The respect, as I have >> said before, must be mutual and it must be real. This is accomplished by >> focusing on issues, not individuals, and according all individuals the >> basic modicum of respect that their humanity deserves. > >That is _precisely_ how much respect I have for you, Mr. Smith, >Ernst Zuendel, Greg Raven, et al. > >The problem is that the individuals _are_ the issue -- though to be >precise, it's "revisionism" as a movement rather than the individual >people involved in that movement. > >"Revisionism" has been inventing new untruths at an incredible pace for >the past twenty years or so. Its various inventors have spanned the >spectrum from mere sloppiness of research to outright fraud, with the >median point being a flagrant double standard on what constitutes >believable evidence. > >With so many untruths already in print, and more coming all the time, >there is no way that they can all be debunked, or even a significant >percentage of them. Inventing untruths and repeating them is very easy. >Debunking them is several orders of magnitude more difficult and >time-consuming. To return to a quote I like, "truth is far more fragile >than fiction." >Thus, it will not be sufficient to merely go through the untruths, one >by one, and show that they are untrue. It is absolutely necessary to >identify the _pattern_ behind them: to show that there is a _reason_ so >many untruths emenate from the "revisionist" movement. Namely, that the >people inventing the material are not completely honest, and many are >outright liars. If that is an indication of what you are indicated in discussing why do you not find a conference where such a subject is on topic? >Of course, it is still essential to debunk the individual untruths. But >without identifying the pattern, it will always be an uphill battle. > >Thus, DThomas, your request that we "focus on issues, not individuals," >must be rejected. I claim that both are important. Ad hominem was identified as a logical fallacy over two thousand years ago. >-- > Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/ > jamie@voyager.net Co-Webmaster of http://www.nizkor.org/ The URL, the mail drop and the Synagogue phone number. Such honesty. Such integrity. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:19 PST 1996 Article: 80718 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.texas.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.fan.ernst-zundel Subject: Re: 961109: David Irving banned from Australia Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:23:44 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3293a0cf.77326875@news.gte.net> References: <328bcc66.50162563@news.gte.net> <9QYABYA1uZjyEw+L@bebbo.demon.co.uk> <328e5c5e.85075035@news.gte.net> <328ffa5f.60895677@news.gte.net> <32916d1d.80881065@news.micron.net> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm230089.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:80718 alt.fan.ernst-zundel:3125 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 21:04:23 +0000, Dene Bebbington wrote: >Kurt Stele wrote: >>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 05:58:05 GMT, email@add.ress1 (Full Name1) wrote: >> >>>On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:53:44 +0000, Dene Bebbington >>> wrote: >> >>>>Okay, please furnish me with the evidence that the "Zionist minority" >>>>are those who decided that David Irving couldn't enter Australia. >> >>Oh Dene. Jews had NOTHING to do with Irving being barred from >>Australia. Everybody knows that. (snarf) > >Hmmmm, the old "everybody knows that" dodge. I wonder if Mr Stele will >therefore accept that the Holocaust happens because as we know: >"everybody knows that", or could it possibly be that such bluster is >only used by Mr Stele in lieu of actual knowledge and evidence. For someone with such an inflated of his ability to portray irony, your ability to perceive it appears equally inflated. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:20 PST 1996 Article: 80720 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.texas.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Pressac as historian Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:54:30 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <3293a62f.78561973@news.gte.net> References: <56havm$hqb@news3.gte.net> <56riag$nfa$1@gruvel.une.edu.au> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229027.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 19 Nov 1996 05:58:40 GMT, ibokor wrote: >Subject: Pressac as historian >From: * *, *@*.* >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:06 GMT >In article <56havm$hqb@news3.gte.net> * *, *@*.* writes: >> He is a liscensed pharmacologist, isn't he? > >Rimsky-Korsakov was a licenced medical practitioner. So was John Cleese. >Einstein was a clerk in the Patents Office. > >So what? The "so what" is the habit of holobuggers to casually raise any writer about the holocaust to the status of historian. To the best of my knowledge there are exactly two trained historians and a third who can legitimately use that term in his title. And the problem with that is the holobugger cop out, that when a myth change gets to hard to deal with, (such as the three million fewer gassing at A-B) the chant is suddenly "no reputable historian ever said that." Yet they freely use non-historians in support of anything else they want to support. It is a matter of pointing out that "historian" is used as a cop out. Now Pressac is being quoted as some sort of all knowing guru on the subject. In a few years when even the holobuggers have to agree that something they are quoting him on now is completely wrong, they will have the "no reputable historian" cop out to use. So it is important to keep in mind up front he is not a historian. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Mon Nov 25 06:20:20 PST 1996 Article: 80741 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: **************** G I W E R R U L E S *************************************************** Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 04:28:51 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 244 Message-ID: <329279ee.2247256@news.gte.net> References: <32793cdd.441542@news.zippo.com> <32913e28.21872178@news.gte.net> <329171f7.92046820@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <329226e3.31106169@news.gte.net> <56tkp2$9f9@access5.digex.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229147.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 19 Nov 1996 19:52:50 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: >In article <329226e3.31106169@news.gte.net>, >Matt Giwer wrote: >>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:33:05 GMT, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John >>Morris) wrote: >>>> On the other hand, this is clearly not the place for constant >>>>spamming of holocaust stories such as by Keren and McVay. >>> >>>You're one to talk! You posted the Wannsee Protocol thriteen times in >>>eight days without comment. >> >> And? I was told it was absolute proof of extermination. I read >>it. > > But you clearly did not understand much of it. For example, how the >"will be sterilized" was a proposed law, not something which had been made >into law. Remember that bills in Congress contain "shall be" wording from >the start, but they are not law until they are passed and accepted by the >President (or a veto overridden). This is an example of picking and choosing your criteria of truth. IF your assumption is true that it was a plan for laws to be passed before there would be evidence of it THEN you have made the passage of a law a requirement for EVERY point it in. As there were NO laws implementing ANY of the points in it, then the one point of sterilization is meaningless. And as for understanding it, as it is a one of a kind document, then unless you have found a separate writing guideline for creating and intepretating this document, I have to ask how you learned to understand it. >>It was no such thing. I posted it many times to demonstrate it >>was no such thing and given the lack of response, everyone agreed it >>was no such thing. > > False. I had no idea what point you thought you were making by >posting it over and over and over. So how could I be said to agree with >an unstated point? Then you missed the premble to the entire matter where some silly twit thought he was being cute claiming it was proof of mass extermination plans for jews in the context of gassing and then posting it in German while claiming he did not have the time to translate it. You will then recall that I found it in english and posted it and pointed out that it was not as it was claimed to be. And then there was a refusal to discuss it. >>Then weeks after I stopped, the holobuggers simply >>started declaring it was and REFUSED to point out which part of is was >>that proof. > > False. The part about laborers succumbing along the way shows intent >that they die, and die prematurely. And what benign explanation can you >find for the last bit which says the survivors must be treated >appropriately lest they become the germ cell for a new outbreak? They >have just said they expect to work many to death. And suddenly they will >care about the ones who are not cooperative enough to die of ill >treatment? Excuse me. Where does it saying gassing? And where does it say another ten million by shooting? Where does it say anything remotely like what is claimed to have happened? Whatever that document is, it belongs in another reality as it has no bearing upon anything that is claimed to have happened in this one. It does not show any intention to do anything that is claimed to have happened in this one. > Whether you agree with the argument or not, it _was_ explicitly >pointed out - contrary to your claim that people refused to do so. And when someone was willing to talk about it, I made the above points and some others. Transportation to the east and work crews and old folks to the ghettos has nothing to do with what is claimed to have happened. Nor is there any documentation of a change of plans. >> Which is the point is it not? If there is going to be discussion >>then honest discussion is required. > > I'm still waiting for you to discuss things honestly. Since I have above largely repeated what I have posted before what do you consider honest discussion? That I refuse to roll over and accept that a document bearing no relationship to the claims is proof of the claims? At most it shows that some people had some intentions. > Like the discussion of the "will be" language in the Wannsee Protocol, >where I used the very legitimate example of a bill in Congress, and you >dishonestly cut that text out of my reply when responding. Perhaps I was unable to take you seriously. As above, there were no laws for any of it. > Want to get back to the cremation discussion? The one where you >claimed to be able to compute the amount of energy needed to boil off the >water, but refused to produce your computations? The one where you denied >that a gram of fat had an energy value of 9 kilocalories, which anyone can >verify is true with a trip to the grocery store? If you claim scientific >literacy, you should know that a calorie on a food package is a >kilocalorie to a physicist. Lets see, is that the one where you refused to post your calculation? Or was that the chemist that refused. But that is under the bridge. If you wish to start that discussion again, please do so. But keep in mind that the discussion was NOT solely the calculation but it was in support of the claim that the human body combusts with enough energy release to keep an oven hot to burn the next body without additional fuel. Now if you wish to treat the entire discussion seriously we will address the real discussion in the real context. I am not interested in pretending that if a calculation says it is modestly exothermic, that the fuelless oven case is proven. We will be considering all of the heat that is lost as steam and gasses as the body burns and goes up the flue. And there is no way I can lose the complete discussion, as the only way the heat can be saved is if it is stored in the oven walls as a higher temperature. And in the process we will find that oven temperatures are kept within a fixed range so there is no heat storage. Thus it is unavailable for the next body. The only fuel that is going to be saved is that which it took to heat the oven in the first place. And as you appear willing to be seriously discuss the matter I will point out that if you intend upon using the burning fat in the body then we will be considering at the same time why human fat did not burn the first time at Treblinka. If it burns in a fire in one place it burns in a fire in all places. So even if your calculations, when you post them, just happen to show that indeed I am wrong on the ovens, your inclusion of burning fat will demonstrate the "eyewitnesses" to Treblinka were indeed lying and therefore their entire "testimonies" are discredited. All of the claims are considered as one. They are not piecemealed out with individual partial explanations and a lot of hand waving. As above, simply saying 9kcal is not enough. Your calculations please. >>>Nevertheless, it is impossible that there should be a real debate when >>>one side is happily willing to propagate falsehoods. The discussion >>>regresses to a matter of assertion and debunking. >> >> That is again your opinion but TRUE OR FALSE that does not justify >>disruption of this conference. Whether you like revisionism or >>revisionists or any thing else, that does not give you license to post >>off topic. > > Who appointed you the supreme judge of what is and isn't the topic >here? Did you newgrp this conference? As I said, I am a hardworking volunteer, like that guy who searches the net for spams and issues kills for them. You should thank me for preventing the disruption of the conference by off topic posters. >> Mere assertion is off topic here. > > And how many thousands of your posts contained mere assertion, without >any references? Would you like to return to the cremation discussion? Yes. Now that you know the entire context of it I doubt you will but, your calculations first to start it off. >>>Alright. Leave aside your web page for a minute. You have stated that >>>I am "invited" to post here if I am civil about it. But YOU don't have >>>to be civil, do you? Why the double standard? Why are you exempt from >>>the standards you set for others? >> >> I respond in kind. Do you really believe YFE is telling the truth? > > About what? About the fact that you sent him email, for instance? >Yes, I believe him. I was talking about criminal part of his claim. I was talking about his ommission of the minor point that he initiated the email exchange. > Your ISP looks at their sendmail logs and confirms you did send the >email. That is their physical evidence. Where did the ISP come into this? They agreed only that the response to his email came from me. In fact it was stated that it was his constant complaints over the same issue that were the deciding factor. > They conclude from the physical evidence that you are a deliberately >harrassing Yale after being told to stop. And then lying about it. And >the next thing you know, you are forced to find a new ISP. Excuse me. Can you give me the name of the person at the ISP who you that? > It would not surprise me greatly if this is what got you tossed from >Cybergate. I never saw you do anything in public which deserved that >treatment, but of course I would not know about email. However, I have posted the reason I was given. They Cybergate was being harrassed with phonecals and email and being sent mailbombs and that I was not worth the trouble. > And it is all because you are too pigheaded to admit that in the >thousand posts you make each month, there might be one or two or three >times you could have slipped a quarter inch with your mouse. > > You call Yale a jew liar instead. He is a jew and he is lying. What would you call it? And get bounced from ISP to ISP for >(among other things) sending unwanted email after being told to stop. You mean email name calling? Is there a rule about contents in alt conferences? > What do you think you gain from this? I was called an anti-semite and a nazi on this conference on the first subject I discussed. I was very civil about it. I was attacked. Consider it satisfaction that holobuggery is out and the conference is back on topic. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Mon Nov 25 06:20:21 PST 1996 Article: 80743 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!news.nstn.ca!tor.istar!east.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!visi.com!mr.net!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars... Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 05:29:40 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 73 Message-ID: <329294d6.9134631@news.gte.net> References: <56hatd$hqb@news3.gte.net> <19961120042900.XAA08889@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229147.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 20 Nov 1996 04:27:07 GMT, ceacaa@aol.com wrote: >This way to the Bath, please., or the VanAlstine Tales. > > Obviously a vast number of stories about the >"showers" at Birkenau are confused, contradictory >and clearly at odds with the physical evidence at the >site. The stories are of two types: >Whips and dogs-emphasis on force driving the victims >underground; and >Girls in blue skirts playing gay music-emphasis on > pure trickery. >However, as a Revisionist, it was not the most >ridiculous Holocaust story that had to be explained >but the most cogent one. I had shrugged the matter off, >sort of going along with the Whips and Dogs approach. >Then Mark Van Alstine wrote on 07 Nov 1996 a list >of stories. From his quotes, it appears that the >"trickery" stories are clearly SHM. Of course, all of >Alstine's stories have clear impossiblities in them >but that is grist for another posting. > >The physical layout of Kremas II and III does not lend >itself to tricking people into an underground gaschamber. >There was no fence or gate at the back (western) > end of the camp. No crowd control measures and ditches >and trees at the critical area of the turn into the >"gaschambers". The stairs into the Leichenkeller were >narrow and steep. The Leichenkeller itself was low ceilinged. >By low ceilinged, I mean about 1.9 meters high. >(That's about 6 feet for you, Mark) >The victims had to walk around the Krema itself (no >looking into the windows). This was an criticism of >the "Girls in blue skirts playing gay music" stories. > > Here are the VanAlstine tales snipped to demonstrate the >paramont importance of trickery to the Birkenau >story. What I have noticed in these stories is that none of them match the Krema/LK layout, not even coming close. If, as someone here tried to do, you pick and choose from several stories you get some of the features. But if you look at each of those stories in their entirity you find that they contradict in other places. For example I have not found one that mentions the very obvious observation of "going around back of the big building to the shower building" or something to that effect. > The VanAlstine Tales Is it not more accurately the tales of (Czech, _KL Auschwitz_, pp.175-176.) ? ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Himmel@strasse.org Mon Nov 25 06:20:22 PST 1996 Article: 80751 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 03:07:46 GMT Organization: Polaski Lines: 57 Message-ID: <32927499.881765@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559u0o$1m2s@news.gate.net> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <327fdff5.15295167@news.demon.co.uk> <3283539b.217744@pubnews.demon.co.uk> <847904287.2404.9@vertigo.combase.com> <328A5D09.3AA1@nbnet.nb.ca> <847981962.5832.1@vertigo.combase.com> <328bf2cc.200524051@news.txdirect.net> <848091299.14332.0@vertigo.combase.com> <328d373d.10034413@news.gte.net> <328ec0d4.121920857@news.txdirect.net> <848253774.26512.8@vertigo.combase.com> <328f8724.172696713@news.txdirect.net> <848403827.3949.1@vertigo.combase.com> <32923530.60066766@news.txdirect.net> Reply-To: Himmel@strasse.org NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228134.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:93003 alt.revisionism:80751 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:36:54 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote: >On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:44:44 -0500, Hardwire > wrote: > >>Harry W. Mazal OBE wrote: >> >>[Unimportant stuph deleted] > >Stuph? > >>>[...] Why would someone who proudly proclaims to be his >>>"own person" employ a pseudonym unless said person had >>>something to hide? > >> >>There's another post on this concept elsewhere in this group. In it I >>feel I have stated my reasons to use a nym quite clearly. > >Quite so. This is a free country. If Mr. "Hardwire" wishes to >remain anonymous, he is at total liberty to do so. He cannot, >however, expect his credibility to soar. How does one know that Harry W. Mazal is your real name? And as we do not, what credibility does that give you? Rather what does the name used have to do with credibility? >Nizkor (USA) An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource >Over 1000 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org >Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/ >Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!) The URL, the mail drop and the synagogue phone number. What was that you were saying about credibility? ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:23 PST 1996 Article: 80770 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!news.nstn.ca!tor.istar!east.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.texas.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,fl.general,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:13:38 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <32939074.73548145@news.gte.net> References: <558uaj$38a@panix2.panix.com> <559u0o$1m2s@news.gate.net> <327a0973.2522479@news.demon.co.uk> <56har6$hqb@news3.gte.net> <56qhc0$4nm$1@gruvel.une.edu.au> <3290d426.116645870@news.gte.net> <32923b57.61642225@news.txdirect.net> <32927631.1289529@news.gte.net> <3292adb2.11610489@news.txdirect.net> <3292f192.32874589@news.gte.net> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm230089.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:93089 alt.revisionism:80770 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:50:48 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <3292f192.32874589@news.gte.net>, Himmel@strasse.org wrote: > > >> You continue to promote a lying jewish organization. But you know >> that. >> >> Such jewish lies are not welcome here. > > >Mr. Giwer quotes an entire thread to Harry Mazelto post these two >sentences, and of course, his huge .sig. > >Let's take a vote... Which of the two gentlemen involved in this discussion >is *really* not welcome here? Nizkor is still a front for a synagogue and that after all the protestations of independence and poverty. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:24 PST 1996 Article: 80775 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!hookup!cunews!nott!torn!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.texas.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: qc.general,mtl.general,alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.white-power Subject: Re: DO JEWS RUN/CONTROL QUEBEC? Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:35:14 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3293b105.81269995@news.gte.net> References: <328E955C.FDD@concentric.net><328E955C.FDD@concentric.net> <56trm2$nba$3@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <3292c1d0.20648449@news.gte.net> <56v9b3$978@lendl.cc.emory.edu> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229027.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca qc.general:11891 alt.revisionism:80775 alt.conspiracy:112161 alt.politics.white-power:49881 On 20 Nov 1996 15:49:55 GMT, libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote: >Treblinka Veggie Garden (himmel@strasse.org) wrote: >: On 20 Nov 1996 04:17:00 GMT, carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: > >: >Silly Zog, tricks are for goys! >: >: If you should find the time, would you care to explain the Avi >: Shavit and the papers that carry him that there is no Zionist control >: of the US Government and media? There's a good bubbie. > >Geez, Matt--you really CAN'T read, can you? ZOG Commander Carol >isn't denying that JOOS dominate the media--he's exulting in it. I simply did not want anyone to get the idea that it is not true due to the way he presented it. I sort of got the idea he might be trying do downplay what the world knows and what AIPAC boasts about being true to make it appear untrue. I certainly hope you do not mind my continuing to post the evidence in support of the facts from sources that do not exaggerate them so. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:25 PST 1996 Article: 80776 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!hookup!cunews!nott!torn!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.texas.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: qc.general,mtl.general,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: DO JEWS RUN/CONTROL QUEBEC? Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:36:59 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3293b20a.81531109@news.gte.net> References: <328E955C.FDD@concentric.net> <56pqqo$2qvu$1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <56sisj$oio$1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229027.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca qc.general:11892 alt.revisionism:80776 On Tue, 19 Nov 96 14:55:38 GMT, ncrccjc@ibm.net (Bernie Farber) wrote: > wrote: >>Bernie, on TV was shown the CJC minions, under the Jewish flag of Israel, >>requesting the resignation of M.Roux!!!! >> >>I am sure that you can also get a copy of the videotape news report, so >>that you can see what your jewish brethren say!!! > >Bernie Farber responds: >You are a pathological LIAR. I have the tape! CJC NEVER asked for >Roux's resignation. >For all those uninitiated out there, here is a wonderful example of exactly >how the process of Holocaust denial actually works. Tell a whopper of >a lie, claim to have proof (which ofcourse is also a lie) and pray that the >gullible are deceived. > >Thankfully, most Canadians can see right through the, "acumens, Grosvenors >and Warheits" of the world for the pathetic liars they are. Get a life boys! Some place out there in usenet land there is certainly a conference where this is on topic. Why not make the effort to find it and post there? ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From email@add.ress Mon Nov 25 06:20:26 PST 1996 Article: 80788 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!EU.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: email@add.ress (Full Name) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:36:26 GMT Organization: Organization Lines: 34 Message-ID: <328fe76a.56396385@news.gte.net> References: <3297a289.8981549@news.demon.co.uk> <56ndmr$um@news.enter.net> Reply-To: email@add.ress NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228045.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 17 Nov 1996 16:15:23 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes: >> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: > >> (Yale F. Edeiken >> > If British "culture" includes lying, extortion, harassment, forgery, and >> >invasion of privacy as acceptable behavior, than I have another reason to >be >> >thankful for the American Revolution. >> >> Here I assume that you are implying that Matt Giwer is "guilty" of all >> those acts you list. > > I am sorry that you take my statements as an implication. Let me >clarify. I state positively that the criminal Giwer did those things. You are then even more clearly a jewish liar and a jewish libeler. >> You get more interesting when you claim extortion. What on earth has >> he extorted and from whom? I look forward to details, or I may have to >> assume that you are fantasizing. > > I suggest you check the nizkor files in which a clear attempt at >extortion was made. So a URL and a mail drop is now a reputable source? You are a silly shit jew liar. ===== http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html http://www.codoh.com/ "History, as usual, will tell lies." GBS From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:27 PST 1996 Article: 80790 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Wither the ten million? Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 06:58:23 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3293fcce.100670274@news.gte.net> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228202.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 No matter how many times I bring it up, no holohubber appears interested in deal with the nine to ten million people in mass graves all over eastern europe, as in ten thousand of so mass graves but only a very few found and those associated with non-racial events. Does anyone have any idea why no one will attempt to address that issue? ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:28 PST 1996 Article: 80807 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Who Rules Konen? That National Alliance Two-Step Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 07:31:39 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <32940518.102792741@news.gte.net> References: <56gsou$mu4@camel4.mindspring.com> <328d0bc5.38609360@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <328ccbf2.696268952@news.micron.net> <328fdf65.59340390@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <56sig0$r6j@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm230006.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 19 Nov 1996 07:07:44 -0800, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >In article <328fdf65.59340390@news.srv.ualberta.ca>, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) wrote: > >>But refute what? You are the current Usenet Fuehrer for the National >>Alliance. The National Alliance tells you to hate Jews, so you hate >>Jews. The National Alliance tells you to pretend that the Holocaust >>never happened, so you pretend that the Holocaust never happened. The >>National Alliance tells you that the Jews got what they deserved, so >>you believe the Jews got what they deserved. The National Alliance >>tells you that you may lie in order to achieve your goals, so you lie. >>The National Alliance tells you that your target constituency is a >>bunch of idiots glued their TV sets in haze of beer farts, so you >>insult them by assuming that your vapid ranting will convince them to >>put you in power. > >You have to love it - here's another ignorant puppet, Puppet? When the synagogue screens your calls? Ken McVay, the useful goy for the synagogue. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:28 PST 1996 Article: 80808 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!news-out.internetmci.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Israeli Court Values Palestinian Life at One-Third of a Cent Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 07:33:08 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <3294059c.102924396@news.gte.net> References: <19961119192600.OAA28167@ladder01.news.aol.com> <32941585.440882@199.0.216.204> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm230006.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:49:23 -0500, jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote: >tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote: > >> Talmud: >> >> "He who so ever sould save the life of a Jew, is as if he saved >> the life of the whole world." >> >> Inversely, 'He who so ever saves the life of a goy, is as if he >> saved nothing.' > >This has been debunked already. Just put in your six Palestinians worth, I see. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Sid@Yid.verycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:29 PST 1996 Article: 80817 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: Sid@Yid.verycom (Sidney the Yid) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: ihr7 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:48:06 GMT Organization: Hollywood Lines: 58 Message-ID: <32902e05.74117882@news.gte.net> References: <56hau8$hqb@news3.gte.net> <848097747.14332.15@vertigo.combase.com> <848106596.7315.1@vertigo.combase.com> <848251841.26512.5@vertigo.combase.com> Reply-To: Sid@Yid.verycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228028.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 07:31:44 -0500, Hardwire wrote: >Daniel Keren wrote: >> >> hardwire@vertigo.combase.com writes: >[SNIPPED for brevity. I hate it when these things grow to pages.] >> >> I thought I explained it. In the camps which Wirth >> supervised (Belzec, Treblinka, Sobibor) wood was used >> to burn the corpses. Therefore, it makes sense to >> assume that Morgen meant that wood was used, as >> opposed to fuel such as gasoline. > >So it's a matter of semantics? I've seen another post wherein it states >(I believe it was a snippet from some text) that a method was produced >in which bodies could be incinerated without fuel. Wood is still fuel, >as much as gasoline is. And another point would be that it would take >an aweful lot of wood to incinerate as many bodies as have been >claimed. I'd think some sort of mass defoliation in the area would have >occurred. > >> >> The fact that Giwer omitted these three words "developed >> by Wirth" cannot be accidental. >> >> -Danny Keren. > >Hmm,.. that I don't know. As I also don't know what exactly was meant >by the quote stating that no fuel was necessary in the incineration >process. Was it a matter of Wirth discounting wood as fuel, or did he >mean that some other source of energy was used? It's all pretty useless >to argue really.. I don't think we can ask Wirth what he meant. Actually it is two points, that it was referred as a "special method" and "without fuel." It is unclear haw any human being who lived less that two million years ago could possibly have considered the use of wood to be a special method given that it is the most fundamental and oldest means of fire by millions of years. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From budwrite@mail.gte.net Mon Nov 25 06:20:30 PST 1996 Article: 80819 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: budwrite@mail.gte.net (bud) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Holocaust Story is a Hate Crime Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 20:37:06 GMT Organization: GTE Intelligent Network Services, GTE INS Lines: 25 Message-ID: <328f76b1.1682847@news.gte.net> References: <327e1c9f.8555832@199.0.216.204> <327f1ede.9130347@199.0.216.204> NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm228077.gte.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99f/16.299 On Mon, 04 Nov 1996 16:55:48 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote: >> >> The Holocaust story relates some of the most wicked claims in >>world history. If it's true then it deserves attention. If it's true, >>then it wouldn't be a 'hate crime' to harp and harp. >> But, then again, if the story is not true, then it is a 'hate >>crime'. Considering the obsessive, eternal and constant harping on the >>story, if it's not true, then it is the hate crime of the milennia. > > Since so many components of the Holocaust story have been shown >to be and accepted to be lies, and are now deleted from the story, and >that there is still much controversy to the subject, then it deserves >wide scale, global attention and must be put up for grand debate. > Anyone opposing this is trying to hide something, bring >totalitarian policy, stifle freedom of speech, make all the lives lost >for the cause of truth and freedom a wasted thing. I don't always agree with all of what you say, Tom, but in this and certain other areas I have before and do now post my agreement. This constant attempt at squelching their opponents, calling them names, attempting to imprison those who disagree... It smacks of more than just intolerance... The Revisionists are "on to something" here, although to what extent will be a long time coming due to the foolishness of many of these exterminationists. Shame... From impoverished@shtetl.com Mon Nov 25 06:20:31 PST 1996 Article: 80821 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Big brother Mcvay is watching Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 06:02:38 GMT Organization: Schwitzerland Lines: 45 Message-ID: <32914d18.25696716@news.gte.net> References: Reply-To: impoverished@shtetl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229022.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:49:47 +0000, Dene Bebbington wrote: >I'm replying publicly to a private email since the writer didn't give >his name or email address, although it doesn't take much to guess who it >was... If you had replied privately you would have been asked never to do so again IF it was a copy of a public post. But you know that. >* * <*@*.*> writes: >>On Sat, 9 Nov 1996 19:50:47 +0000, Dene Bebbington >>wrote in alt.revisionism: >> >>>Matt Giwer, aka NotThisis Aforgery wrote: >>>>intphase@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote: >>>> >>>>>KEN MCVAY - A PROFILE >>>> You can see his ugly puss at: >>>> >>>>http://www.eye.net/News/Eyenet/1994/net1110.htm >> >>>Hey Giwer, that URL doesn't exist. > >What, no answer to this one? Is this indicative of your honesty? An erronious URL now means something to the terminally desperate. ===== http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:32 PST 1996 Article: 80849 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.activism,alt.atheism,alt.chess.ics,alt.current.events-russia Subject: Re: agressive Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:08:26 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <32942a09.112249508@news.gte.net> References: <3291860a.40274744@news.gte.net> <32962deb.4154729@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm230006.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:80849 alt.activism:97841 alt.atheism:66526 alt.chess.ics:1663 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:13:54 GMT, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) wrote: >In <3291860a.40274744@news.gte.net>, Matt Giwer posting as >himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) wrote: > >[snip] > >> As I will point out to them as well as to the holobuggers, I have >>continued my agressive stance and at the moment we have only three > ^^^^^^^^ >>buggers still posting and the terminally bewildered Keren still >>spamming. > >Aggressive. When all else fails, attack the spelling. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:33 PST 1996 Article: 80851 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.albany.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Anti-semitic acts Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:57:16 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <32942474.110820744@news.gte.net> References: <3292afc8.16033156@news.gte.net> <56ungk$lbf@juliana.sprynet.com> <56vc65$rf0@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm230006.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 20 Nov 1996 16:38:29 GMT, schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il (Richard Schultz) wrote: >rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > >: However, it is curious that Grynzpan survived the war. > >What makes you think that he survived the war? Every account of >Kristallnacht and its aftermath that I have read says that the Germans >captured him in France with the apparent intention of having some sort >of "show trial" which never took place -- and that Grynspan was never >heard from again, during or after the war. And how does this explain a lawyer from a French version of the ADL showing up at the police station to "defend the assassin" before the man had died? Does this explain why the people who were arrested for PARTICIPATING in and causing the destruction of Krystallnacht were primarily jewish or reported having been paid by a jew to do it? German Jews were the underground against the Nazis from the moment they formed the government in 1933. That is common knowledge. It is simply undesired knowledge. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:34 PST 1996 Article: 80852 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.albany.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Anti-semitic acts Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:59:56 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3294278e.111614465@news.gte.net> References: <3292afc8.16033156@news.gte.net> <56vigi$kph@bell.maths.tcd.ie> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm230006.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 20 Nov 1996 18:26:26 -0000, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >himmel@strasse.org a.k.a. Prince Myshkin writes: >> Thus, given current events, lets us consider that Krystallnacht was >>perpetrated by Jews, as that is most likely. > > Ever consider taking a course in logic, Matt? It's amazing stuff and >makes its user less likely to make a total fool of themselves. Lets get back to the point that since well over half and up to 90% of antisemitic crimes are committed by jews that the odds are in favor of Krystallnacht having been an organized action of Jews. We know a lawyer from a French version of the ADL was at the police station to represent the assassin within three hours, before it was in the news and before the victim had died. It sounds very coordinated to me. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom Mon Nov 25 06:20:35 PST 1996 Article: 80853 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: gruppenfueher@jerusalem.verycom (BB) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Oh, the disrespect! DThomas, are you watching? Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:13:39 GMT Organization: Kill the Arabs, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <32942b0f.112511500@news.gte.net> References: <56u00k$4ju@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: gruppenfuehrer@jerusalem.veryverycom NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm230006.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:56:42 -0500, jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote: >Intellectual...dishonesty? "Dishonesty"? Dishonesty? Jamie "Nizkor is not affiliated with any other organization including the synagogue that answers our phone" McCarthy? ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Chief@rabbi.com Mon Nov 25 06:20:36 PST 1996 Article: 80854 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!news.idt.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: chief@rabbi.com (Nizkor's handler) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Nizkor Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:48:08 GMT Organization: Arabs four cents a dozen Lines: 27 Message-ID: <32946b73.128995207@news.gte.net> Reply-To: Chief@rabbi.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229102.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Owned and operated by a synagogue. And after all the remonstrances to the contrary. What pathethic goys. Or are they really goy? ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Chief@rabbi.com Mon Nov 25 06:20:36 PST 1996 Article: 80855 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!news-out.internetmci.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: chief@rabbi.com (Nizkor's handler) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:48:40 GMT Organization: Arabs four cents a dozen Lines: 61 Message-ID: <32946bb2.129058206@news.gte.net> References: <848252800.26512.7@vertigo.combase.com> <56o39f$6cr@news.enter.net> <329187ac.87680651@news.micron.net> <329184e3.39978918@news.gte.net> <32940c8c.30696791@news.txdirect.net> Reply-To: Chief@rabbi.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229102.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:57:19 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote: >On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:48:52 GMT, himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie >Garden) wrote: > >>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:17:15 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) >>wrote: >> >>>On 17 Nov 1996 22:23:43 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >>> >>>>> Hardwire writes: >>>>> Yale F. Edeiken wrote: >>>> >>>>> > a civil matter. What the criminal Giwer did was a crime. > >[text deleted] >> >> But then what else do you expect from a little pigshit jew? It >>really is pathetic to see a drunken jew rant the "he wants to make a >>ma a lampshade" routine. > >Another superb and literate note from a leading voice of contemporary >Holocaust "revisionism." How can the lurkers not feel attracted to >such cogent arguments. Mr. Giwer, under whatever pseudonym he picks, >is the best thing that has ever happened to this newsgroup. His >brilliant thoughts and incisive responses almost match those of Mr. >Stele (Smith). Schizophrenia rules! > > > > >Harry W. Mazal OBE > >Nizkor (USA) An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource >Over 1000 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org >Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/ >Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!) Mazal, owned an operated by a synagogue for his marching orders. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Chief@rabbi.com Mon Nov 25 06:20:37 PST 1996 Article: 80856 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!cdc2.cdc.net!news.idt.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: chief@rabbi.com (Nizkor's handler) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:52:52 GMT Organization: Arabs four cents a dozen Lines: 60 Message-ID: <32946bd4.129091985@news.gte.net> References: <56haq0$hqb@news3.gte.net> <56jhue$sp8@news.enter.net> <328eb9c3.107662611@news.gte.net> <328f9c4b.178112648@news.txdirect.net> <3291898b.88159934@news.micron.net> <3291DF31.7582@rio.com> <3292904c.7972858@news.gte.net> <32933AF6.22F1@rio.com> Reply-To: Chief@rabbi.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229102.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:08:06 +0000, Chuck Ferree wrote: >Chuck Ferree wrote: > >Veggie Garden Huh!!! Bet my zuccinis are bigger than yours!!! > > >Treblinka Veggie Garden wrote: > >clips > > >> >Chuckle Fairy >> >> Have you checked into the news about the BILLIONS of dollars those >> poor eastern european jews > > blah, blah, blah!!! > >My opinion is that Clinton won, Dole lost, and Ross should get a job >at Sears It is good to see you now agree that those poor Jews could not have deposited the BILLIONS of dollars they are now demanding. Face it, either they were rich then or are lying now. Which is it? You do not have a middle ground on this issue. Which is it going to be? Which aspect of your belief system are you going to have to change as a result of this claim? Answer, not one part of your belief system as you can not deal with this contradiction so late in life. You entire view of them has to change but you will fight it. At your age it will be very hard. But then you started this exchange with me. I did not start with you. What you ask for, you get. ===== http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English) http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute From Chief@rabbi.com Mon Nov 25 06:20:38 PST 1996 Article: 80858 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: chief@rabbi.com (Nizkor's handler) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Question Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:45:54 GMT Organization: Arabs four cents a dozen Lines: 79 Message-ID: <32946992.128514448@news.gte.net> References: <3292bb27.18943962@news.gte.net> <56ul7l$lbf@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: Chief@rabbi.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpm229102.gte.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 20 Nov 1996 10:06:45 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) writes: > Does Israel still have the version of the Nuremberg Laws to > prohibits a non-Jew from marrying a Jew? > > ===== > http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite > http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light > http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site > http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions > http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust > http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam > http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report > http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report > http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website > http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving > http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) > http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents > http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L'As