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From:    Matt Giwer                             Area: Controv - (1331)
To:      Ed Mathis                              27 Apr 94 22:18:10
Subject: Smoking                                

EM>  MG> You have never thought it through if you think you can do
EM>  MG> it.  I have had two doctors try to do it and fail.

EM>  Failed by whose measure?  Yours?  How closely does YOUR 
EM>  definition of addiction mesh with the definition accepted 
EM>  by the medical communities?

     Their own admission of failure.  I do not have a definition 
and I hold there is none that does not specifically say drugs in 
the definition and thus it is circular.

EM>  MG>  I assure you that you can not define addiction in a manner 
EM>  MG>  that will apply only to "drugs."

EM>  Why play word games, Matt?  Who cares whether or not 
EM>  someone can play out your games to your satisfaction?  You 
EM>  won't win the core argument by trying to sidetrack the 
EM>  debate.
EM> 
EM>  Tobacco is clearly a drug that meets the classical clinical 
EM>  definition of addiction in what it does to its users.  If 
EM>  you disagree, please state your case plainly and stick to 
EM>  the subject.

     As you can not define addiction it can not satisfy the 
definition.  

     But if you want my case, you are presuming being able to 
describe tobacco with a term you neither understand nor can 
define means something.  I hold it can only mean something to 
sloppy thinkers.


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From:    Matt Giwer                             Area: Controv - (1394)
To:      Bill Bauer                             27 Apr 94 21:18:10
Subject: 02:RACHEL: Cancer Injusti              

BB>  Figure 1 shows cancer rates (both incidence and death) for 
BB>  blacks compared to the same rates among whites during the 
BB>  period 1985-1989.  (What is shown is the ratio of black 
BB>  rates to white rates; in other words, it shows black rates 
BB>  divided by white rates.)  The bars on the left show the 
BB>  ratio of incidence rates and the bars on the right show the 
BB>  ratio of death rates (labeled "mortality").

     When it talks incidence it is an indicator of the 
susceptibility differences between the two races.  It has no 
other meaning.
     


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From:    Matt Giwer                             Area: Controv - (1397)
To:      Preston Simpson                        27 Apr 94 16:46:10
Subject: Clinton's Serb Script                  

PS> MG>       Bill Clinton's statements to the Serbs are based upon 
PS> MG>  Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
PS> MG> 
PS> MG>       "None shall pass!"

PS>  The only thing that really hacks me off about this 
PS>   country's treatment of the Serbian situation is our 
PS>   saber-rattling.  We've made a few airstrikes, but we 
PS>   haven't done anything conclusive.  Clinton needs to learn 
PS>   that just standing behind a podium and making threats is 
PS>   not going to stop ANYONE, and that if he's really serious 
PS>   about flattening the bad guys, he'd better quit talking 
PS>   about it and just do it.

     It is fun to kill people.  Just ask Billie Jeff.  As we have 
no purpose or objective there (the UN may or may not) we have no 
business being there.

PS>  However, I am not in support of the United States alone 
PS>   getting involved.  The UN was founded to put a stop to the 
PS>   kind of mess that's going on in what used to be 
PS>   Yugoslavia, and they need to go in there and do it, 
PS>   instead of the US playing the cowboy in the white hat.

     I am not aware the UN has an issue in Bosnia either.  I know 
of no place in its charter where it says there shall be no war.  
The UN and the US for that matter screwed up royally recognizing 
all the new little countries before the dust had settled.  Now 
they have not the wisdom to recognize a diplomatic error.

     And in a practical sense most wars are over with before the 
UN can get its act together.  You don't see the UN jumping into 
Rwanda do you?  


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From:    Matt Giwer                             Area: Controv - (1405)
To:      Dave Hankins                           27 Apr 94 16:54:10
Subject: revolution                             

DH>  MG>One Swell Foop
DH>  MG> by
DH>  MG> Matt Giwer (c) 1994 <4/24>

DH>  Damn fine piece, Matt.  I hate  to  cut it up, but you rang
DH> some of my bells and I feel the urge to comment.

     As we agree the quote you provide is appropriate.

DH>      "I  offer  neither pay, nor quarters, nor provisions; I
DH>       offer  hunger,  thirst,  forced  marches,  battles and
DH>       death.  Let he who loves freedom with  his  heart  and
DH>       not his lips only, follow me."

     Consider it stolen.

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