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From <<" >>Truth<<<" 
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"Sara"  wrote in message
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> In article , dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel
> Keren) wrote:
>
> > [Posted to alt.revisionism, 2000/07/04]
> >
> > 
> >
> > From: David.E.Michael (david.e.michael@mars.co.universe)
> > Subject: Re: Give Yale Edeiken's relatives a call.
> > Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> > Date: 2000/07/04
> >
> > Fergus McClelland wrote:
> >
> > > Jeffrey G Brown  wrote:
> >
> > [A list of names deleted - d.k]
> >
> > > I don't care who is doing this, or who it is about - revisionist,
> > > Nazi, Zionist, etc - it is definitely wrong to do it.
> > >
> > > These people are not participants in AR so what possible justification
> > > can there be for posting their details? Male or female, young or old,
> > > Jew or gentile, black or white, yellow brown or red! It is just wrong
> > > wrong wrong. Leave them alone.
> > >
> > > And yes, I know that Yale Edeiken can be somewhat annoying, obnoxious
> > > and foul-mouthed. And yes, I know that he felt it right to post the
> > > address and phone number of a poster onto a mailist - which was wrong.
> > >
> > > That still can't justify attacking non-participants.
> > >
> > > That is like bombing a shopping precinct and saying of the injured
> > > members of the public: "Oh well, it upset the government of the
> > > country involved so that is all right."
> > >
> > > If Yale Edeiken kicked a poster to this group in the head, would it
> > > justify kicking his mother, father and children?
> > >
> > > Of course it would not.
> >
> > If it would deter other Yale Edeiken's from doing likewise, then yes it
> > would.
> >
> > David
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> > -Danny Keren.
> >
>
> And this from a man who is a psychologist. No wonder he's so jealous of
> a real medical doctor like my father.
>
> Sara
>

You're living proof your father is a idiot.

--
In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial by
American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment by
parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.




From <<" >>Truth<<<" 
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"Sara"  wrote in message
news:catamont-A58877.20001311012002@news.concentric.net...
> In article , "SW"
>  wrote:
>
> > Sara  wrote in message
> > news:catamont-4C1D77.18551511012002@news.concentric.net...
> > > In article , dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel
> > > Keren) wrote:
> > >
> > > > [Posted to alt.revisionism, 2000/07/04]
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > From: David.E.Michael (david.e.michael@mars.co.universe)
> > > > Subject: Re: Give Yale Edeiken's relatives a call.
> > > > Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> > > > Date: 2000/07/04
> > > >
> > > > Fergus McClelland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Jeffrey G Brown  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [A list of names deleted - d.k]
> > > >
> > > > > I don't care who is doing this, or who it is about - revisionist,
> > > > > Nazi, Zionist, etc - it is definitely wrong to do it.
> > > > >
> > > > > These people are not participants in AR so what possible
> > > > > justification
> > > > > can there be for posting their details? Male or female, young or
> > > > > old,
> > > > > Jew or gentile, black or white, yellow brown or red! It is just
> > > > > wrong
> > > > > wrong wrong. Leave them alone.
> > > > >
> > > > > And yes, I know that Yale Edeiken can be somewhat annoying,
> > > > > obnoxious
> > > > > and foul-mouthed. And yes, I know that he felt it right to post
the
> > > > > address and phone number of a poster onto a mailist - which was
> > > > > wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > That still can't justify attacking non-participants.
> > > > >
> > > > > That is like bombing a shopping precinct and saying of the injured
> > > > > members of the public: "Oh well, it upset the government of the
> > > > > country involved so that is all right."
> > > > >
> > > > > If Yale Edeiken kicked a poster to this group in the head, would
it
> > > > > justify kicking his mother, father and children?
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course it would not.
> > > >
> > > > If it would deter other Yale Edeiken's from doing likewise, then yes
> > > > it
> > > > would.
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Danny Keren.
> > > >
> > >
> > > And this from a man who is a psychologist. No wonder he's so jealous
of
> > > a real medical doctor like my father.
> > >
> > > Sara
> >
> >
> > But he's not a psychologist.  He's a therapist psycho.
> >
> > sw
> >
> >
> >
>
> You mean like this:
>
> Therapist
> TheRapist
> The Rapist
>

Rape is something you'll never have to worry about.
--
In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial by
American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment by
parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.




From <<" >>Truth<<<" 
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"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
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>
>
> On 1/11/02 11:23 PM, >>>Truth<<< wrote:
>
> > "Sara"  wrote in message
> > news:catamont-A58877.20001311012002@news.concentric.net...
> >> In article , "SW"
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> > Sara  wrote in message
> >> > news:catamont-4C1D77.18551511012002@news.concentric.net...
> >> > > In article , dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel
> >> > > Keren) wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > [Posted to alt.revisionism, 2000/07/04]
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 
> >> > > >
> >> > > > From: David.E.Michael (david.e.michael@mars.co.universe)
> >> > > > Subject: Re: Give Yale Edeiken's relatives a call.
> >> > > > Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> >> > > > Date: 2000/07/04
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Fergus McClelland wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Jeffrey G Brown 
wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > [A list of names deleted - d.k]
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > I don't care who is doing this, or who it is about -
revisionist,
> >> > > > > Nazi, Zionist, etc - it is definitely wrong to do it.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > These people are not participants in AR so what possible
> >> > > > > justification
> >> > > > > can there be for posting their details? Male or female, young
or
> >> > > > > old,
> >> > > > > Jew or gentile, black or white, yellow brown or red! It is just
> >> > > > > wrong
> >> > > > > wrong wrong. Leave them alone.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > And yes, I know that Yale Edeiken can be somewhat annoying,
> >> > > > > obnoxious
> >> > > > > and foul-mouthed. And yes, I know that he felt it right to post
> > the
> >> > > > > address and phone number of a poster onto a mailist - which was
> >> > > > > wrong.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > That still can't justify attacking non-participants.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > That is like bombing a shopping precinct and saying of the
injured
> >> > > > > members of the public: "Oh well, it upset the government of the
> >> > > > > country involved so that is all right."
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > If Yale Edeiken kicked a poster to this group in the head,
would
> > it
> >> > > > > justify kicking his mother, father and children?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Of course it would not.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If it would deter other Yale Edeiken's from doing likewise, then
yes
> >> > > > it
> >> > > > would.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > David
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -Danny Keren.
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > And this from a man who is a psychologist. No wonder he's so
jealous
> > of
> >> > > a real medical doctor like my father.
> >> > >
> >> > > Sara
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > But he's not a psychologist.  He's a therapist psycho.
> >> >
> >> > sw
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> You mean like this:
> >>
> >> Therapist
> >> TheRapist
> >> The Rapist
> >>
> >
> > Rape is something you'll never have to worry about.
>
>
> Certainly not from a limp dick like you.


Like I said...Rape is something Sara will never have to worry about.


--
In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial by
American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment by
parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.

> --
> Gord McFee
> I'll write no line before its time
>




From <<" >>Truth<<<" 
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Hey, is that ice cream hitman still stalking you?
--
In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial by
American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment by
parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.


"Michael Ragland"  wrote in message
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> correction: Carter, Reagan is Carter, Clinton.
>
>
> Ragland36@webtv.net (Michael Ragland) wrote in message
news:<35a8d44b.0201111512.3ba119d9@posting.google.com>...
> > Regarding Phil Matthews inability to date to find the specific source
> > of the data he cites that Nixon won twice while losing 81% and 64% of
> > the Jewish vote, why do you care? You're like a dumb dog humping
> > Mr.Matthews leg. The point which I demonstrated in my post to you was
> > the falseness of your assertion a candidate couldn't be elected
> > president of the U.S. without the support of the Jewish community.
> > Clearly, since the 1972 election the majority of those elected
> > president has done so without the majority popular vote of the Jewish
> > American community. I was even generous and stated if you wanted to
> > provide or create a different standard by which a candidate can't
> > become president of the U.S. without the support of the Jewish
> > community you were welcome to do so. In light of the evidence I
> > provided, I asked you to retract your statement a candidate couldn't
> > be elected in the U.S. without the support of the Jewish community.
> > Instead you've completely disregarded your duty to acknowledge your
> > false statement. You don't even bother attempting to substantiate it.
> >
> > So, rather than address issues of substance you engage in red
> > herrings. Your nitpicking of Phil Matthews is case in point. I've
> > looked for the data Mr. Matthews cites but I can't find the
> > "source(s)" of it, i.e. what polls were used, size of samples, etc.
> > There are websites that closely confirm the data Mr. Matthews cites
> > but they don't provide detailed analysis of how those numbers were
> > gotten.
> >
> > That does not mean the figures Mr. Matthews cites are not necessarily
> > approximately accurate. What it does mean is we are not political
> > scientists with a specialty in past polling practices and voting
> > patterns among Jews in U.S. presidential elections. The info I cited
> > which showed the majority Jewish popular vote contributed to only two
> > candidates becoming president since 1972 (Carter, Clinton) was obtained
> > from the NY Times.
> >
> > Mr. Mock has already stated to you regarding Mr. Matthews not
> > providing the detailed sources of the data he cites, "Fair enough".
> > Mr. Mock has also stated "we" could probably get the info for you but
> > first I want you to answer a question.
> >
> > Your red herrings and evasions are duly noted on a.r. Dr. Michael.
> > This is alt.revisionism, not alt.jewish.polling
> >
> > MR
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________
> >
> > "david_michael"  wrote in message
news:<3c3edcd3@212.67.96.135>...
> > > "Michael Ragland"  wrote in message
> > > news:35a8d44b.0201110110.6265f1af@posting.google.com...
> > > > Here's some info for David:
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > And here are the questions that Philip Mathews won't answer:
> > >
> > > Which polls showed that Nixon won twice while losing 81% and 64% of
> > > theJewish vote?
> > >
> > > How big were the samples?
> > >
> > > David




From <<" >>Truth<<<" 
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"Sara"  wrote in message
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> In article , ">>>Truth<<<"
>  wrote:
>
> > "Sara"  wrote in message
> > news:catamont-4C1D77.18551511012002@news.concentric.net...
> > > In article , dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel
> > > Keren) wrote:
> > >
> > > > [Posted to alt.revisionism, 2000/07/04]
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > From: David.E.Michael (david.e.michael@mars.co.universe)
> > > > Subject: Re: Give Yale Edeiken's relatives a call.
> > > > Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> > > > Date: 2000/07/04
> > > >
> > > > Fergus McClelland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Jeffrey G Brown  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [A list of names deleted - d.k]
> > > >
> > > > > I don't care who is doing this, or who it is about - revisionist,
> > > > > Nazi, Zionist, etc - it is definitely wrong to do it.
> > > > >
> > > > > These people are not participants in AR so what possible
> > > > > justification
> > > > > can there be for posting their details? Male or female, young or
> > > > > old,
> > > > > Jew or gentile, black or white, yellow brown or red! It is just
> > > > > wrong
> > > > > wrong wrong. Leave them alone.
> > > > >
> > > > > And yes, I know that Yale Edeiken can be somewhat annoying,
> > > > > obnoxious
> > > > > and foul-mouthed. And yes, I know that he felt it right to post
the
> > > > > address and phone number of a poster onto a mailist - which was
> > > > > wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > That still can't justify attacking non-participants.
> > > > >
> > > > > That is like bombing a shopping precinct and saying of the injured
> > > > > members of the public: "Oh well, it upset the government of the
> > > > > country involved so that is all right."
> > > > >
> > > > > If Yale Edeiken kicked a poster to this group in the head, would
it
> > > > > justify kicking his mother, father and children?
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course it would not.
> > > >
> > > > If it would deter other Yale Edeiken's from doing likewise, then yes
> > > > it
> > > > would.
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Danny Keren.
> > > >
> > >
> > > And this from a man who is a psychologist. No wonder he's so jealous
of
> > > a real medical doctor like my father.
> > >
> > > Sara
> > >
> >
> > You're living proof your father is a idiot.
> >
>
> That's "an idiot," Mr. Spell-Check.
>


OK. You're living proof your father is 'an idiot'.



> Sara
>

--
In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial by
American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment by
parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.




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"Michael Ragland"  wrote in message
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> Looks like the quote by Sarte regarding antisemitism McVay added may
> have struck a raw chord with you. Maybe perhaps because it describes
> you to the tee?
>
> MR
> _______________________________________________________


Michael Ragland was born in Columbus, Georgia but has lived in Northern
Virginia since 1972. Since 1989 he has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder
and currently takes lithium, depakoate, and effexor for it. Ragland, an
anti-revisionist and supporter of homosexual rights has refused several
offers to be interviewed.

The Disorder

Ragland's illness often causes him to make bizarre posts that show grossly
inappropriate self-revelation, sexual deviance and makes it clear that he
has an interest in child pornography.

One of Michael Ragland's USENET Postings:

Many personal services on the internet really do constitute a selling
arrangement. They are women from foreign countries such as Russia, Asia,
etc. which are seeking wealthy husbands. Karen was posted on this
Spam-ridden alt.personal.ads and it was apparent she was out of place. Most
of the time you don't see homemade photographs of women on alt.personal.ads.
If I recall Karen's husband was looking for somebody to fuck her or exchange
pics at the least. I merely commented on Karen's attractiveness and led the
man to the best watering hole. Alt.binaries.personal.pictures is often a
great newsgroup; minimal spam and photos of real people (not models) naked
and fucking. And there are several regulars on there, which do trade, and in
some cases even get together.


Most of the time I jerk off to sex newsgroup and rarely post to them. But to
make it possibly easier to locate posts of mine, here are some of my
favorite sex newsgroups:

alt.binaries.pictures.senior-citizens
(I love old beaver between the ages of 40-55) Too much spam
but still worth the load.

alt.discuss.sex.mpegs
(This is a delightful ball churning delight)

alt.binaries.pictures.grotesque
(the most demented newsgroup on the internet)

alt.binaries.pictures.scat
(used to browse until the novelty wore off. A big hooray for Becky
Murphy!)

alt.binaries.pictures.bestiality
(several of these newsgroups)

And there are several others I've browsed through. For many years child
pornography groups were in the alt.hiarchy and everything and anything was
easily accessible. Finally, about a year and a half ago these newsgroups
were finally removed. Perhaps Don Ellis can take credit? The worse and most
prolific poster was "Arch Angel" who on every post had inscribed "Made by
God". Child pornography is still on the net but adults now have to pay for
it.

Has it been awhile since I had some pussy? Yes, it has been about a year or
so. So I just look at the fucking world and get my rocks off.

Michael Ragland


The Criminal

A Prince William County General District Court judge accepted a guilty plea
>from a Triangle man accused of the e-mail impersonation of County Executive
Henry "Bern" Ewert.

Michael Ragland admitted he assumed the name of another person, which
resulted in a $200 fine. He also pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor
computer trespassing charge that will be dropped in six months if he
demonstrates good behavior and continues to attend mental health counseling.
If he violates the terms of the plea, the judge could sentence Ragland to 12
months in jail and a $2,500 fine.

Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney John Notarianni came to General District
Court to deal with Ragland's case and said there will be no trial because of
the no contest plea, but "if [Ragland] screws up" there will be an automatic
conviction.

Ragland appeared in court with his mother and spoke openly to the media, as
he has done in the past.

His mother sat silently in shame.

Ragland's Quotes

"As far as homosexual bondage at the Holiday Inn make sure to bring plastic
so the management doesn't charge you for shit stained bedsheets".
"Most of the time I jerk off to sex newsgroup and rarely post to them."
"'Sometimes telling half-truths, white lies, etc. is important for
self-preservation and to achieve certain ends.'"





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Tomorrow Ragland will pretend to be Ken McVay and ravish his own body. LOL


--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC




"david_michael"  wrote in message
news:3c4016eb@212.67.96.135...
> Now your just pretending to be Danny Keren.
>
> David
>
> "Michael Ragland"  wrote in message
> news:35a8d44b.0201120208.5dcefaa5@posting.google.com...
> > Looks like the quote by Sarte regarding antisemitism McVay added may
> > have struck a raw chord with you. Maybe perhaps because it describes
> > you to the tee?
> >
> > MR
> > _______________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > "david_michael"  wrote in message
> news:<3c3fcecf@212.67.96.135>...
> > >  wrote in message
> > > news:a1og4o$c2p$1@news.tht.net...
> > > > [Follow-ups set]
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > >                 "The antisemite has chosen hate because hate is a
> faith;
> > > >             at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and
> reasons."
> > > >                                       (Sarte. Antisemite and Jew, p.
> 19)
> > > >                                The Nizkor Project:
> http://www.nizkor.org
> > >
> > >
> > > Mr Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project, admitting that he has
seen
> > > photographs of naked children on the Internet:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
> > > proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
> > > yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
> > > seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
> > > my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
> > > any great moral danger to our society).' Ken McVay OBC
> > > 
> > >
> > > http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Mr McVay expressing interest in a hardcore pornography version of
Alice
> in
> > > Wonderland while posting to alt.sex:
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: kmcvay@oneb (Ken McVay)
> > > Newsgroups: alt.sex
> > > Subject: Erotic Lit. (was Re: sex ves. violence)
> > > Message-ID: <2686f4a0-2.6alt.sex-1@oneb>
> > > Date: 26 Jun 90 06:52:07 GMT
> > > References: <137507@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <9655.26835370@amherst.bitnet>
> > > Lines: 8
> > > Posted: Tue Jun 26 07:52:07 1990
> > >
> > >
> > > >> restrictions are generally in force anyway.  Aside from pornography
> > > >> being deadly dull, it doesn't bother me.
> > >
> > > I once enjoyed an exception to the 'deadly dull' rule - a delightful
> movie
> > > entitled 'Alice in Wonderland' which bore an, er, superficial
> resemblance to
> > > another movie of the same name....I've been trying to find a copy for
> years,
> > > or at least to rent one....last time I viewed it was around 1983....
> > >
> > > Bring on the Dancing Nurses! :-)
> > > 
>
>




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Someone just e-mailed me this photo. LOL


--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC



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"KCOM"  wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:20:13 -0600, "Mike McGee"
>  wrote:
>
> >Tomorrow Ragland will pretend to be Ken McVay and ravish his own body.
LOL
>
> Ellis, why don't you leave this news group before I really hurt
> you...?
>
> Steve
>

Wolk, why don't you e-mail or call ellis and tell him yourself.
--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





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"Vellicet"  wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: David E. Michael on Violence Against Children
> >From: dkeren@world.std.com  (Daniel Keren)
> >Date: 13/01/02 5:00 AM AUS Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: 
> >
>
> >Michael said that, if a certain poster inflicts physical violence
> >against someone, than not only he, but his children and parents as
> >well, should suffer physical violence in retribution.
> >
> >
> >
> >-Danny Keren.
>
>  Great philosophy,....sounds familiar. Here, refugees often remain
diguised to
> stop their home 'government' from punishing the family.


Corrected spelling: disguised


>
> Jason James
>
>
>




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"Michael Ragland"  wrote in message
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>
> You're a big phony Dr. Michael. It's very transparent. You're words are
> not sincere; they are just a medium (the use of written language) to
> swing a meathook into somebody.
>
> MR
--
"As far as homosexual bondage at the Holiday Inn make sure to bring plastic
so the management doesn't charge you for shit stained bedsheets".
 - Michael Ragland



> ______________________________________
>
>
> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
> news:3C3FB7E0.4000909@sympatico.ca...
> On 1/11/02 5:11 AM, Daniel Keren wrote:
> 
> That's all one would expect.
> He can't debate Mr McVay,
> Nobody can debate with Mr McVay -- the moment anyone tries he either
> killfiles them and flees or smears them and flees.
> so he looks for something to smear Mr McVay in the (idiotic) hope that
> Ken will be so embarrassed, he will withdraw from Usenet, and the field
> will be wide open for Dr. Michael and his perverted colleagues.
> He's already effectively withdrawn from Usenet in any visible form.
> The truth of the matter, Mr McFee, is this.
> 1. Mr McVay has confessed to viewing photographs of naked children on
> the Internet. Here are his exact words:
> 'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of proportion
> (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have yet to come across
> anything I'd consider "child porn." I've seen photos of naked children,
> but then I've got some of those in my family photo album, and fail to
> see the harm, or any great moral danger to our society).'
> You do not come across photographs of naked children on the Internet by
> accident. In all the years I've been using the Internet I have never
> once stumbled across such material. I know where it is because the
> matter has received some publicity, but to see it you have to go out
> there and look for it deliberately. Indeed, to view such material is a
> serious criminal offence in this country punishable by a hefty jail
> sentence. Whether it is regarded equally seriously in Canada I do not
> know.
> 2. Mr McVay has posted to a sex group expressing interest in a hardcore
> pornographic movie version of Alice in Wonderland. This again suggests
> an interest in the association of children and sexuality.
> Now, Mr McVay spends a great deal of his time trying to smear and
> discredit other people. Sometimes he does so very brutally in a way that
> could subject them to harassment or could lose them their employment.
> Under these circumstances it is entirely correct to draw attention to Mr
> McVay's 'interests' in order to remind the world of the sort of creature
> he is.
> The fact that you feel content to associate with this character tells us
> something about the sort of creature *you* are.
> David
> 'Bring on the Dancing Nurses!' -- Ken McVay, Nizkor Director posting in
> alt.sex, 26 June 1990
>
> Dr. Ewan Jackson in a December 25th post to alt.revisionism
>
> "Actually, Mr Ragland, the problem is the United States First Amendment
> protected-speech laws.
> Free speech in the US is a licence to harass, intimidate and libel."
>
> EJ
>




From cte60399@centurytel.net Mon Jan 14 18:59:14 EST 2002
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"david_michael"  wrote in message
news:3c411bba@212.67.96.135...
>
>  wrote in message
> news:a1r4hs$2cp8$1@news.tht.net...
> > [Follow-ups set]
>
> [It doesn't surprise me.]
>
> >January 13
>
> >1944
>
> >U.S. Secretary of the Treasury, Henry Morgenthau, >receives a
> >memo entitled "Report to the Secretary on the >Acquiescence
> >of This Government in the Murder of the Jews."
>
> 
>
> Mr Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project, admitting that he has seen
> photographs of naked children on the Internet:
>
> 
> 'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
> any great moral danger to our society).' Ken McVay OBC
> 
>
> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
>
>
> Mr McVay expressing interest in a hardcore pornography version of Alice in
> Wonderland while posting to alt.sex:
>
> 
> From: kmcvay@oneb (Ken McVay)
> Newsgroups: alt.sex
> Subject: Erotic Lit. (was Re: sex ves. violence)
> Message-ID: <2686f4a0-2.6alt.sex-1@oneb>
> Date: 26 Jun 90 06:52:07 GMT
> References: <137507@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <9655.26835370@amherst.bitnet>
> Lines: 8
> Posted: Tue Jun 26 07:52:07 1990
>
>
> >> restrictions are generally in force anyway.  Aside from pornography
> >> being deadly dull, it doesn't bother me.
>
> I once enjoyed an exception to the 'deadly dull' rule - a delightful movie
> entitled 'Alice in Wonderland' which bore an, er, superficial resemblance
to
> another movie of the same name....I've been trying to find a copy for
years,
> or at least to rent one....last time I viewed it was around 1983....
>
> Bring on the Dancing Nurses! :-)
> 
>
> Is this really the best person to act as a memorial to the many Jews who
> undoubtedly did die in World War II?
>
> David
>
>
Don't forget, McVay is also a draft dodger.

--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





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"Ken Lewis"  wrote in message
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> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 06:53:01 -0000, "david_michael"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> >"Ken Lewis"  wrote in message
> >news:3c43205b.6170093@shawnews...
> >> On 13 Jan 2002 05:40:49 GMT, "
> >> ,.," <--t-a-v--i-sh-4--8@i--x.ne-t-c-om.c-omRemove_ Hyphens 2_ Mail>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >>Mr Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project, admitting that he has
seen
> >> >>photographs of naked children on the Internet:
>
> >> >The ONLY way he could have done such is to download them!
>
> >> Your an idiot still. That is NOT the only way. Is the only way you
> >> have ever hit a pornographic website is because you went to it or have
> >> you been carried there sometimes by fake links?
>
> >I'm willing to bet that such techniques never take you to CHILD
pornography
> >websites, Mr Lewis.
>
> >I'm willing to bet that anyone putting up such a website would very
quickly
> >either be booted off by his ISP or have his door kicked in by the police.
Or
> >by angry vigilantes with knives, wishing to cut parts of him off.
>
> Actually, shithead, I have had popup adverts for child porn sites come
> up exactly that way.
>
> And, as you well know, Ken didn't say he had seen child porn. He said
> he had seen pictures of naked children. There is a difference.


So you have viewed images of naked children? Did you they are illegal?


> But, as we well know, you won't see it because having nothing else to
> offer and having no way to refute the holocaust you resort to smear
> and innuendo like all your nazoid buddies.
>
> Why don't you go dance in the streets over the dead men, women and
> children killed in the WTC center? It seems it might be something you
> can really get your teeth into.




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"Ken Lewis"  wrote in message
news:3c435604.19908982@shawnews...
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:53:32 -0000, "david_michael"
>  wrote:
>
>
> >> Actually, shithead,
>
> >Can we dispense with the bad language, please, Mr Lewis. Children might
be
> >reading some of these newsgroups.
>
> Can we dispense with the moral superiority, shithead? You have no
> moral authority over anyone as is evidenced by your posts.
>
> If you'd stop being a shithead, I'd stop calling you that. Since your
> morality is dwn there with sewer rats, I'll call you what I wish.
>
> >> I have had popup adverts for child porn sites come
> >> up exactly that way.
>
> >And when you click on them they take you to . . . photographs of adults,
> >right? And, moreover, if you want to see the children you have to whip
out
> >your credit card, right? I've heard ALL about those scams, Mr Lewis.
>
> No doubt you've seen them also.
>
> No, shithead, you can get carried to some strange places on the
> Internet.


Did you know there are free programs that kill pop-ups?


> That is still not the point. Ken said he had seen pictures of naked
> children on the net. He did not say he had seen child pornography. It
> is most unfortunate you are unable to read. Has the educational system
> in Britain slipped this badly?
>
> >The relevant document appears to be:
>
> >http://www.safe4kids.org/law/code1.htm
>
> Which doesn't say that 'seeing' naked children on the net is a crime.
> Tsk. Tsk. Such deplorable reding skills, shithead.


Wrong. Images of naked children is child pornography.



> >From the available publicity material on the Internet, I understand the
film
> >in question to be a film depiction of a child character, or at least a
> >person apparently under 18, by an actress who is of youthful appearance,
>
> You will, of course, provide us with the URL's to this information so
> we can check for ourselves? Not that we think you'd lie or misdirect
> us, shithead.
>
> Having worked in a video store at one time I have seen a number of
> adult films with spoofed names.
>
> >within the Canadian definition of 'child pornography'. As for the
> >photographs that Mr Ken McVay, director of Nizkor, has admitted to
> >downloading, whether they constitute 'child pornography' in terms of
>
> You see, shithead, that is why we can never believe a thing you say.
> It's this habit of lying that you have. Ken never said he had
> downloaded anything. To bad. So sad. You are shown as the twisted fuck
> you are once again.
>
> >jurisdictions depends on the jurisdiction. In Britain a photograph of a
> >child apparently under 16 years who is 'naked and posed to be
provocative'
> >would be 'child pornography', whereas you will observe that Canada has a
> >somewhat more tolerant definition. In Victoria, Australia, we have 'a
film,
> >photograph, publication or computer game that describes or depicts a
person
> >who is, or who looks like, a minor under 16 engaging in sexual activity
or
>
> Laws change dailey, shithead. For a while last summer possession of
> gross child porography was not illegal. The law has since beem
> changed.
>
> That is neither here nor there.
>
> >depicted in an indecent manner or context' (Crimes Act, 67A). 'Naked' is
> >getting very close to 'indecent'. If I walked naked through the streets
of
> >Lincolnshire there would be those who would say that this was 'indecent'
>
> If YOU did walk down the streets of Lincolnshire I am sure it would be
> a pornographic act.
>
> >> But, as we well know, you won't see it because having nothing else to
> >> offer and having no way to refute the holocaust
>
> >Now why would I want to do that?
>
> I guess you wouldn't having tried and failed so often.
>
> >> you resort to smear
> >> and innuendo like all your nazoid buddies.
>
> >> Why don't you go dance in the streets over the dead men, women and
> >> children killed in the WTC center? It seems it might be something you
> >> can really get your teeth into.
>
> >Well you seem very upset that Mr McVay has been exposed in this way so it
is
> >perhaps understandable that you are a little incoherent. I am sorry that
it
> >has caused you such distress. However, I should point out to you that Mr
>
> Not distressed at all, old chap. I'm my regular good natured self.
>
> Mr. McVay has not been exposed at all but YOUR slip is showing. Again.
>
> Do try not to lie. It tarnishes your already blackened image.
>
> Ta Ta.
>
>
> >McVay has been very ruthless in trying to discredit and smear his
political
> >opponents. It is thus inevitable that his victims and their allies should
> >take a close look at his background. He once said to me: 'that's life in
the
> >fast lane'. It is indeed.
> >
> >David
> >
> >
>




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"SW"  wrote in message
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>
> david_michael  wrote in message
> news:3c3fcecf@212.67.96.135...
> >
> >  wrote in message
> > news:a1og4o$c2p$1@news.tht.net...
> > > [Follow-ups set]
> >
> > 
> >
> > >                 "The antisemite has chosen hate because hate is a
faith;
> > >             at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and
reasons."
> > >                                       (Sarte. Antisemite and Jew, p.
19)
> > >                                The Nizkor Project:
http://www.nizkor.org
> >
> >
> > Mr Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project, admitting that he has seen
> > photographs of naked children on the Internet:
>
>
>
McVay has dealt with tougher and rottener eggs than you for far
> too long to be bothered by your childish calumny

Then why did McVay dodge the draft.

> sw
>
>
>




From cte60399@centurytel.net Mon Jan 14 18:59:16 EST 2002
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From: "Mike McGee" 
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"Michael Ragland"  wrote in message
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>
>
> I see you're doing your smear tricks on me again David....even when
> there is nothing to smear.
>
Michael Ragland was born in Columbus, Georgia but has lived in Northern
Virginia since 1972. Since 1989 he has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder
and currently takes lithium, depakoate, and effexor for it. Ragland, an
anti-revisionist and supporter of homosexual rights has refused several
offers to be interviewed.

The Disorder

Ragland's illness often causes him to make bizarre posts that show grossly
inappropriate self-revelation, sexual deviance and makes it clear that he
has an interest in child pornography.

One of Michael Ragland's USENET Postings:

Many personal services on the internet really do constitute a selling
arrangement. They are women from foreign countries such as Russia, Asia,
etc. which are seeking wealthy husbands. Karen was posted on this
Spam-ridden alt.personal.ads and it was apparent she was out of place. Most
of the time you don't see homemade photographs of women on alt.personal.ads.
If I recall Karen's husband was looking for somebody to fuck her or exchange
pics at the least. I merely commented on Karen's attractiveness and led the
man to the best watering hole. Alt.binaries.personal.pictures is often a
great newsgroup; minimal spam and photos of real people (not models) naked
and fucking. And there are several regulars on there, which do trade, and in
some cases even get together.


Most of the time I jerk off to sex newsgroup and rarely post to them. But to
make it possibly easier to locate posts of mine, here are some of my
favorite sex newsgroups:

alt.binaries.pictures.senior-citizens
(I love old beaver between the ages of 40-55) Too much spam
but still worth the load.

alt.discuss.sex.mpegs
(This is a delightful ball churning delight)

alt.binaries.pictures.grotesque
(the most demented newsgroup on the internet)

alt.binaries.pictures.scat
(used to browse until the novelty wore off. A big hooray for Becky
Murphy!)

alt.binaries.pictures.bestiality
(several of these newsgroups)

And there are several others I've browsed through. For many years child
pornography groups were in the alt.hiarchy and everything and anything was
easily accessible. Finally, about a year and a half ago these newsgroups
were finally removed. Perhaps Don Ellis can take credit? The worse and most
prolific poster was "Arch Angel" who on every post had inscribed "Made by
God". Child pornography is still on the net but adults now have to pay for
it.

Has it been awhile since I had some pussy? Yes, it has been about a year or
so. So I just look at the fucking world and get my rocks off.

Michael Ragland


The Criminal

A Prince William County General District Court judge accepted a guilty plea
>from a Triangle man accused of the e-mail impersonation of County Executive
Henry "Bern" Ewert.

Michael Ragland admitted he assumed the name of another person, which
resulted in a $200 fine. He also pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor
computer trespassing charge that will be dropped in six months if he
demonstrates good behavior and continues to attend mental health counseling.
If he violates the terms of the plea, the judge could sentence Ragland to 12
months in jail and a $2,500 fine.

Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney John Notarianni came to General District
Court to deal with Ragland's case and said there will be no trial because of
the no contest plea, but "if [Ragland] screws up" there will be an automatic
conviction.

Ragland appeared in court with his mother and spoke openly to the media, as
he has done in the past.

His mother sat silently in shame.

Ragland's Quotes

"As far as homosexual bondage at the Holiday Inn make sure to bring plastic
so the management doesn't charge you for shit stained bedsheets".
"Most of the time I jerk off to sex newsgroup and rarely post to them."
"'Sometimes telling half-truths, white lies, etc. is important for
self-preservation and to achieve certain ends.'"

--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





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"Nicegoy"  wrote in message
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>
>
Hey man, where hell have you been? McVay was caught redhanded dealing in
child porn.
--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





From cte60399@centurytel.net Mon Jan 14 18:59:17 EST 2002
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"Nicegoy"  wrote in message
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> >Subject: "Report on the realization of textile salvage..."
> >Path:
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> sfeed.wirehub.nl!hub.org!hub.org!not-for-mail
> >From: Ken McVay kmcvay@nospamnizkor.org
> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> >Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:59:25 +0000 (UTC)
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> >Originator: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken McVay)
> >
> >
> >
> >Archive/File: camps/auschwitz/documents no-1257
> >Last-Modified: 1994/07/22
> >
> >Excerpts from document NO-1257:
> >
> >               COPY .  Secret
> >
> >                                                  Personal Staff of the
> >                                                  Reichsfuehrer-SS
> >    B / Ch 186                                    Administration
> >                                                  of Central Files
> >                                                  File No. Secret
> >
> >
> >                          REPORT                       6 February 1943
> >
> >    on the realization of textile-salvage from the Jewish resettlement
> >    up to the present date.
> >
> >    The enclosed statement gives an account of the quantity of old
> >    garments from the Jewish resettlement, that has been sent from the
> >    camps of Auschwitz and Lublin up to the present date.  In this
> >    connection special consideration must be given to the fact that the
> >    delivery of rags is very high.  As a result, the amount of usable
> >    old garments, especially men's clothing, is naturally diminished.
> >    It has therefore not been possible to satisfy the demand for men's
> >    clothing to its full.
> >
> >    The transportation by rail proved to be especially difficult.
> >    Through the continually recurring transportation stoppages, the
> >    dispatch was held up with the resulting [sic] in temporary
> >    accumulations in the individual camps.
> >
> >    The transportation hold-up to the Ukraine has been especially
> >    noticeable since December 1942, and prevented the delivery of old
> >    clothing intended for the racial Germans there....
> >
> >
> >                                   sign.  POHL
> >                                   SS-Obergruppenfuehrer and
> >                                   General of the Waffen-SS
> >
> >    Certified true copy:
> >
> >    (Signature) KERSTEN
> >    SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer
> >
> >               COPY .  Secret
> >
> >                                             Personal Staff of the
> >                                             Reichsfuehrer-SS
> >                                             Administration of Central
> >                                             Files
> >                                             File No. Secret 181/6
> >
> >
> >                          STATEMENT
> >
> >    on the quantities of old textile-materials delivered from the camps
> >    of Lublin and Auschwitz by order of the SS Economic & Administrative
> >    Main Office.
> >
> >    1.  Reich Ministry of Economics
> >
> >        Men's old clothing without underwear           97,000 sets
> >        Women's old clothing without underwear         76,000 sets
> >        Women's silk underwear                         89,000 sets
> >
> >                                                  total:         34 cars
> >
> >        Rags             400 cars       2,700,000kg
> >        Bed-feathers     130 cars         270,000 kg
> >        women's hair       1 car            3,000 kg
> >        scrap material     5 cars          19,000 kg
> >
> >    2.  Office for Germanization
> >
> >        Men's clothing:                      Children's clothing:
> >        Overcoats        99,000              overcoats      15,000
> >        jackets          57,000              boy's jackets  11,000
> >        vests            27,000              boys' pants     3,000
> >        pants            62,000              shirts          3,000
> >        [...]
> >        shoes            31,000              shoes          22,000
> >
> >        Women's clothing                     Linen etc
> >        coats           155,000 pieces       bed covers     37,000 pieces
> >        dresses         119,000   "          bed sheets     46,000   "
> >        [...]
> >        shoes           111,000 pairs             total:     211 cars
> >
> >        [...]
> >
> >                                             grand total:    825 cars
> >
> >    Certified true copy:
> >
> >          KERSTEN
> >
> >    SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer
>
> Sounds a bit like your front yard, McVay.

McVay's neighbors are always complaining.
--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





From cte60399@centurytel.net Mon Jan 14 18:59:18 EST 2002
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"Nicegoy"  wrote in message
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> >
> >You americans are bone chilling stupid.
> >
> >tyler
> >
>
> Philthy is a jew apologist, not an American.
> He reads okay.
> He lies even better than he reads.
> You waste your time with him.... he is regarded here as the village idiot.

I thought it was the town drunk. LOL
--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





From cte60399@centurytel.net Mon Jan 14 18:59:18 EST 2002
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"GassenBurnham"  wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Terrorism Defined
> >From: "Mike McGee" cte60399@centurytel.net
> >Date: 1/14/02 1:19 AM E. Australia Standard Time
> >Message-id: 
> >
> >
> >"Nicegoy"  wrote in message
> >news:20020113100446.07351.00001490@mb-fq.aol.com...
> >>
> >>
> >Hey man, where hell have you been? McVay was caught redhanded dealing in
> >child porn.
> >--
> >'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
> >proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
> >yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
> >seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
> >my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
> >any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC
>
> Been taking a few days off, got lots on my plate at the moment.
>
> As for McVay, it doesn't surprise me, he's a sick and twisted pervert, one
look
> at his picture tells it all.
>
> I wonder if his exposure as a kiddie porn king has anything to do with the
> flooding that has gone on all week?
>
> I bet it has.


Same here...he's been flooding this ng for years.
--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC


> OBC..... Ogler of buff children!
> "If I am killing a rat with a stick and have him in a corner, I am not
> indignant if he tries to bite me and squeals and gibbers with rage. My job
is
> to attend to my footwork and to keep on hitting him where it will do the
most
> good"   A. S. Lees




From cte60399@centurytel.net Mon Jan 14 18:59:19 EST 2002
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"John Morris"  wrote in message
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> In  in alt.revisionism,
> on Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:53:22 -0600, "Mike McGee"
>  wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Did you know there are free programs that kill pop-ups?
>
> I didn't know that.  Can you recommend one?
>
> [snip]
>



Pop-Up Stopper 2.6 - FREE version is a completely FREE product that is not
spyware or adware.  This product runs as a system tray icon next to your
system clock.


Eliminate Internet Explorer and Netscape 4.x pop-up windows without
adjusting proxy settings.
Play a sound to notify you when a pop-up has been blocked
Stop pop-under windows, such as X10 pop-ups
Save Bandwidth by never even loading pop-ups
Now even easier to Install and configure, and easier to control - read our
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Go here John:

http://www.panicware.com/product_dpps.html

It's a really small file and it works great. No ads or other crap to worry
over.You'll have to scroll down the page to get the free version.

Hope this helps.




From cte60399@centurytel.net Mon Jan 14 18:59:19 EST 2002
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I just received this photo of Ken McVay's childhood. This may explain
McVay's current sexual perversions.
--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC



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> > >Xref: lobby bc.general:153974 calgary.general:98603
> soc.culture.jewish:751346
> > >alt.revisionism:1452875 alt.conspiracy:780223
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >"Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
> > >news:m23d1bduk9.fsf@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com...
> > >> tyler  writes:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > I posted a series of simple comments and questions about the kosher
> or
> > >> > rabbinical tax on food products and Mr. McVay immediately labeled
me
> > >> > as a racist and an anti-semite.
> > >>
> > >> Well, yeah; it's not like he hasn't seen your kind before.
> > >
> > >And what exactly is *his* kind, Joel?
> > >
> > >Waldo
> > >
> >
> > ROTFLMFAO.... It's like de-ja-vue all over again!!!! eh Waldo?
>
> LOL!
>
> I believe that it was Richard Philips who gave the best definition:
>
> "An anti-Semite is anyone who Jews don't like."
>
> Good to see you back, Ross!
>
> Waldo
>
> Observer at Large
>

McVay is NOT Jewish, so what would be his definition of 'anti-Semite.




From cte60399@centurytel.net Mon Jan 14 18:59:21 EST 2002
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"Len Dalton"  wrote in message
news:KZ6AC4OK37269.7023726852@anonymous.poster...
>
> Holy shit, who are these judeo-nutballs spamming these groups
> with hundreds of posts about friggin' jewish kosher food?  So, it's
> another jewish racket - no big surprise, eh?  Rackets-R-Us, it's
> what jews do...always has been.  Does every other thread on these
> groups have to about Izzy's favorite foods?  This loon Jeffrey G.
> Brown starts a new thread for every one of his frothing-at-the-mouth
> epileptic fits.  Anybody up for contacting his ISP to see if they
> can get him back in his strait-jacket?
>
> ******

Kosher or non-kosher, they taste the same to me. Yes, Jeffrey Brown is a
crackpot.
--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC



> From: "Jeffrey G. Brown" 
> Newsgroups:
>
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> y
> Subject: Mr. Durden Lies (again)!
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:36:32 -0500
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David Michael is a nice guy.


"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
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> David Michael is now running around trying to claim that Ken McVay
> knowingly viewed child pornography on the Internet.  The fact that this
> allegation is rubbish and completely unproved doesn't stop hypocrite
> terrorist lover David Michael from repeating it anyway. And he expresses
> such moral outrage at child pornography!
>
> But wait!  The same David Michael had no difficulty with children
> viewing pictures of men eating each other's excrement on Don Ellis'
> website.  In fact, he *recommended* that they view it.
>
> And the piece of slime wonders why no one believes a word he says.
>
> --
> Gord McFee
> I'll write no line before its time




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David, why is Gord scared of you? He always post the same old message.
--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
news:3C41F23F.11121686@sympatico.ca...
> david_michael wrote:
>
> (1) David Michael states his position on the terrorist murder of over
> 3000 people on September 11, 2001 in the attacks in New York, Washington
> and Pennsylvania.
>
> 
>
> Now, however, the chickens are coming home to roost. This afternoon a
> truly wonderful thing has happened: the oppressed of the earth have
> turned around and have shown that they do not have to be nature's
> eternal victims. They have shown that the poor, the downtrodden, and the
> powerless can strike back at the very heart of the dark forces that are
> oppressing them. This time it was not Palestinian children who cowered
> in fear as death came from the skies -- this time it was the very fat
> bankers and financiers who sustain the terroristic regime of Sharon.
> This time it was those very military men who mastermind the attacks on
> the women and children of Iraq. They thought they were so safe as they
> planned death and destruction from their comfortable offices in the
> Pentagon, and as they did their dirty deals in the World Trade Center.
> Now they have been given a bloody nose that they will never forget.
>
> Today was a glorious day. May there be many others like it.
>
> Death to American capitalism!
>
> Death to international finance!
>
> David Michael
>
> Message-ID: <3b9e5465@news-uk.onetel.net.uk>
>
> Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:18:49 +0100
>
> 
>
> (2) When challenged with: "You applaud the terror and killing of
> thousands of innocent people perpetrated by the terrorists who attacked
> the Pentagon and attacked and  destroyed the World Trade Center, calling
> their actions "a wonderful thing," the day the attacks occurred a
> "glorious day," and finishing by fervently wishing for "many more" such
> days.", his response is:
>
> "I do indeed."
>
> Message-ID: <3bae8aab@news-uk.onetel.net.uk>
>
> Mon, 24 Sep 2001 02:26:45 +0100
>
> (3) To a debating opponent who doesn't share his admiration for
> terrorism:
>
> 
>
> All I can say in response to your filthy remark is that I very much hope
> that, if there is an anthrax attack on America, your loved ones fall
> victim to it so that you get a dose of your own putrid medicine.
>
> 
>
> Message-ID: <3bc9e79e@news-uk.onetel.net.uk>
>
> Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:34:44 +0100
>
> (4) In response to Joe Bruno:
>
> [Bruno]
>
> > I ask you now to reconsider your position. I wonder if it might have
> > been rooted in a momentary anger about something. The people of
> > England have a long tradition of respect for law and human life. Are
> > you renouncing that tradition?
>
> [Michael]
>
> My only regret, Bruno, is that you were not at the very top of the New
> York World Trade Center on 11 September 2001.
>
> Message-ID: 
>
> Date: 2 Jan 2002 17:59:54 -0800
>
> --
> Gord McFee
> I'll write no line before its time




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"Kenneth McVay, OBC"  wrote in message
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>
>
>
>Mr. Ragland, I've said that I've seen images of naked
> children on the net, and that one needn't go looking for them.



So you admit to viewing child porn.


--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





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"National Front88"  wrote in message
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> Subj: MY HUMBLE OPINION ABOUT CHILD PORN YOU CAN QUOTE ME ON
> Date: 1/14/2002 1:54:38 AM Pacific Standard Time
> From:    kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken McVay)
> To:    NationalFront88@aol.com
>
>
>
> "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
> moral danger to our society)."
> - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
>
> Look at my face; do I look like a pervert or a liar or someone
> who would molest your child even if he or she were naked?
>
> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>
> Child porn is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
>
> --
> IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany
>     and America's Most Powerful Corporation, by Edwin Black
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0609607995/thenizkorproject/
>              The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
> --
>
>      Hmmm...
>
> National Front88
> --


Ken also e-mailed me a copy.


--
In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial by
American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment by
parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.


>
>
>
>
> "I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
> going to whip my breasts." --Sara "The Fist" Salzman




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"Ken McVay"  wrote in message
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--
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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"Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
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> Brian,
>
> Do these numbers look familiar?
>  503-8x2-9xx6
>
> Yes, I've put x's in there to protect your privacy.  I only
> wanted to show you I have your no.
>
> And what about this zip?
>
> 97141
>
> cheers and kind regards,
> Ewan

Send it to me.




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"Vellicet"  wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: The Anti-Semitic posters are going Berserk on A.R.
> >From: IIIII -t-a--v-i-sh-4--8@i--x.n-e-tc-o-m.c-omRemove_ Hyphens 2_ Mail
> >Date: 14/01/02 5:21 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <94u44u874i2s7hq0h1fkuhfu91sro4hq15@4ax.com>
> >
>
> >
> >Who gives credence to a documented nut case who was ordered by a judge to
> >attend
> >mental counseling sessions?
> >
> > Doc Tavish
>
> Well as a comparison, you've written S&M threats which most decidedly need
> counselling, which is why no-one takes any notice of you, except in
levity.
>


Spelling correction: counseling


>
> Jason James
>
>
>




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"Sara"  wrote in message
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> In article <30h64ugapcjd1sgk3o7v6fgp3d4kh1obps@duff.ca>, No Spam
>  wrote:
>

--
In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial by
American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment by
parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.




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"Sara"  wrote in message
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--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





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"Sara"  wrote in message
news:catamont-682C9B.10415314012002@news.concentric.net...
> In article <20020114164013.9809.qmail@nym.alias.net>, lcs Mixmaster
> Remailer  wrote:
>
> > "Sara"  wrote in message news:catamont-
> > 400A72.08325614012002@news.concentric.net...
> > > In article <7bd65070cb7a94b1a5102b1911cc8b97@remailer.privacy.at>,
> > > Anonymous  wrote:
> > >
> > > > --Alleged Chickenhawk, Ken McVay, Condoning Child Porn--
> > > > "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
> > > > proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
> > > > yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
> > > > seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
> > > > my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
> > > > moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
> > > >         http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
> > > >        Verified by John Morris with Message ID:
> > > >       cf214uoohhmoqblmvgg43auk48ts95up3n@4ax.com
> >
> WHAT YOU SNIPPED:
>
> "Perhaps one thing that I should note, because authors often
> sensationalize the hatemongering on the Net, is that, for all their
> vitriol, these people are only a tiny handful of the 30-40 million
> users on the Internet. I am weary of seeing their activities blown out
> of proportion, as I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown
> out of proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and
> have yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've seen
> photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in my family
> photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great moral danger to
> our society)."
>
>
>
> > > McVay does NOT condone child porn; he states he is "weary" of seeing
> > > "...the issue of 'child porn' blown out of porportion" likened to the
> > > neo-Nazis, anti-semites, white supremacists  efforts
> > > "sensationalize[d]" on the net.
> > >
> >
> > Looks like it's time to get the good Doc Tavish in here, so that he can
> > expose your sick fisting
> > S&M fetish...
>
>
>
> Yes, please do ask Doc Tavish about his sick S&M fetish. The posts you
> are "objecting" to are about consensual, loving relationships between
> two consenting individuals.
>
> Doc's, on the other hand, are about non-consensual physical torture of
> his "enemies."
>
>
>
> >
> > P.S.
> >
> > Sara, how many times have you been investigated for child abuse?
> >
> My _family_ was investigated once when some sick fuck like you thought
> it would be cute to file an anonymous complaint (which by law must be
> investigated). We were given a completely clean bill of health amd all
> charges were dismissed. _I_ have never been investigated.
>
> So, now tell us: Why are you an anonymous sick fuck?
>
> Sara
>

--
In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial by
American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment by
parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.




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"Ken Lewis"  wrote in message
news:3c453c4a.117009701@shawnews...
> On 14 Jan 2002 12:56:46 GMT, nationalfront88@aol.comNoHebes (National
> Front88) wrote:
>
>
> >       Speaking only for myself, I am well aware of that fact. Are you
aware of
> >the fact that Ken McVay can be extradited back to his country of origin
for
> >viewing child pornography on the Internet?  A simple yes or no will
suffice,
> >Mr. Lewis.
>
> One, viewing child pornography is not a crime in any country. Two, it
> would only be a crime if he possessed it or acquired it for the
> purposes of possessing it. McVay has done neither. Indeed, he has not
> said he has even seen child porn. Three, it would have to be proven in
> a US court that he had before extradiction could proceed. Thefre is no
> evidence he did so it wouldn't happen.
>
> >       Look at it this way:  Even the likes of Ken McVay has a right to a
fair
> >trial.  Just as I have the right to pass on his confessions to news
agencies
> >and the proper authorities.
>
> He has made no such confession. However, if you misrepresent what he
> has said as such he has the right to pursue you in a court of law for
> libel. I might even be willing to support him financially to pursue
> such a case if you were fool enough to do that.
>
> Ta Da


Come and get me. LOL


--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





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From: "Mike McGee" 
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"Sara"  wrote in message
news:catamont-A04772.14302414012002@news.concentric.net...
> In article <11915-3C432F3C-326@storefull-626.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> ragland36@webtv.net (Michael Ragland) wrote:
>
> > You are a true simpleton.
>
> He may be, but he is also Don "stop e-mailing me" Ellis. He always says
> that when he's on the losing end of anything.
>
> You can always tell Donnie by the cte60399@centurytel.net account.
>
> Centurytel.net is the main competition for Donnie's family ISP,
> seark.net. So Donnie's using centurytel to try and obtain for them the
> same bad rep he has already given seark.net.
>
> Sara


Proof? Didn't think so.


> Nizkor is not a group of people. Most of the
> > posters on a.r. who fight antisemitism and educate about the Holocaust
> > are not affiliated with Nizkor. They support the work Nizkor does but
> > they don't belong to Nizkor. I rarely communicate with Mr. McVay and
> > when I do it regards a.r. I've never made a financial contribution to
> > Nizkor. Some posters have volunteered for Nizkor and possibly given
> > contributions as well and I think that is great.
> >
> > Ken McVay never mailed you anything. And the below post has been
> > distorted by a shitbrain. McVay never stated,"Child porn is not as bad
> > as people make it out to be." You know that yet you have lied. Why is
> > that NF88? Seems to be you have a desire to fuck kids and are putting
> > your "problem" on McVay's head.
> >
> > In the past natural selection was important and necessary for the
> > survival of the species. Today it works much less effectively. The human
> > species can't afford to rely on muscle and aggression anymore. It's time
> > to start developing our brains. Tune in or tune out NF88.
> >
> > MR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Group: alt.revisionism Date: Mon, Jan 14, 2002, 1:01pm (EST+5) From:
> > nationalfront88@aol.comNoHebes (National Front88)
> > Subject: Re: "...the issue of 'child porn' blown out of proportion..."
> > --Ken
> > McVay
> > From: "Mike McGee" cte60399@centurytel.net
> > Date: 1/14/2002 4:20 AM Pacific Standard Time
> > Subj: MY HUMBLE OPINION ABOUT CHILD PORN YOU CAN QUOTE ME ON
> > Date: 1/14/2002 1:54:38 AM Pacific Standard Time
> > From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken McVay)
> > To: NationalFront88@aol.com
> > "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of proportion
> > (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have yet to come across
> > anything I'd consider "child porn." I've seen photos of naked children,
> > but then I've got some of those in my family photo album, and fail to
> > see the harm, or any great moral danger to our society)."
> > - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
> > http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
> > Look at my face; do I look like a pervert or a liar or someone who would
> > molest your child even if he or she were naked?
> > http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995 KMcVay.jpg
> > Child porn is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
> > --
> > IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany
> > and America's Most Powerful Corporation, by Edwin Black
> > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0609607995/thenizkorproject/
> > The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
> > --
> > Hmmm...
> > National Front88
> > --
> > Ken also e-mailed me a copy.
> > --
> > In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial
> > by American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who
> > are thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel
> > treatment by parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and
> > care for their babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask
> > about her son's erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off
> > as autism.
> > --
> > I was surprised by that e-mail, I must
> > admit. But then, Nizkor is full of kooks unlike no other group I've ever
> > encountered.
> > National Front88
>
> --
> "Americans have different ways of saying things. They say "elevator",
> we say "lift" ... they say "President", we say "stupid psychopathic git."
>        Alexai Sayle.




From cte60399@centurytel.net Mon Jan 14 18:59:29 EST 2002
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"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
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> On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:27:29 -0600, "Mike McGee"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> >"Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
> >news:636415e9.0201140011.a73a32d@posting.google.com...
> >> Brian,
> >>
> >> Do these numbers look familiar?
> >>  503-8x2-9xx6
> >>
> >> Yes, I've put x's in there to protect your privacy.  I only
> >> wanted to show you I have your no.
> >>
> >> And what about this zip?
> >>
> >> 97141
> >>
> >> cheers and kind regards,
> >> Ewan
> >
> >Send it to me.
>
> Send it to you?
>
> Now why would you want that?


Too late, I got it.


> Regards,
>
> Brian Blank




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"Sara"  wrote in message
news:catamont-BDF128.08280214012002@news.concentric.net


--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





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"Sara"  wrote in message
news:catamont-BB220F.08290914012002@news.concentric.net...
--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





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From: "Mike McGee" 
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LOL. so what does this say????



"Sara"  wrote in message
news:catamont-6571CC.16280314012002@news.concentric.net...
> In article , "Mike McGee"
>  wrote:
>
> > "Sara"  wrote in message
> > news:catamont-682C9B.10415314012002@news.concentric.net...
> > > In article <20020114164013.9809.qmail@nym.alias.net>, lcs Mixmaster
> > > Remailer  wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Sara"  wrote in message news:catamont-
> > > > 400A72.08325614012002@news.concentric.net...
> > > > > In article <7bd65070cb7a94b1a5102b1911cc8b97@remailer.privacy.at>,
> > > > > Anonymous  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > --Alleged Chickenhawk, Ken McVay, Condoning Child Porn--
> > > > > > "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
> > > > > > proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
> > > > > > yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
> > > > > > seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those
in
> > > > > > my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
> > > > > > moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
> > > > > >         http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
> > > > > >        Verified by John Morris with Message ID:
> > > > > >       cf214uoohhmoqblmvgg43auk48ts95up3n@4ax.com
> > > >
> > > WHAT YOU SNIPPED:
> > >
> > > "Perhaps one thing that I should note, because authors often
> > > sensationalize the hatemongering on the Net, is that, for all their
> > > vitriol, these people are only a tiny handful of the 30-40 million
> > > users on the Internet. I am weary of seeing their activities blown out
> > > of proportion, as I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown
> > > out of proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and
> > > have yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've seen
> > > photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in my family
> > > photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great moral danger to
> > > our society)."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > McVay does NOT condone child porn; he states he is "weary" of
> > > > > seeing
> > > > > "...the issue of 'child porn' blown out of porportion" likened to
> > > > > the
> > > > > neo-Nazis, anti-semites, white supremacists  efforts
> > > > > "sensationalize[d]" on the net.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Looks like it's time to get the good Doc Tavish in here, so that he
> > > > can
> > > > expose your sick fisting
> > > > S&M fetish...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, please do ask Doc Tavish about his sick S&M fetish. The posts you
> > > are "objecting" to are about consensual, loving relationships between
> > > two consenting individuals.
> > >
> > > Doc's, on the other hand, are about non-consensual physical torture of
> > > his "enemies."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > P.S.
> > > >
> > > > Sara, how many times have you been investigated for child abuse?
> > > >
> > > My _family_ was investigated once when some sick fuck like you thought
> > > it would be cute to file an anonymous complaint (which by law must be
> > > investigated). We were given a completely clean bill of health amd all
> > > charges were dismissed. _I_ have never been investigated.
> > >
> > > So, now tell us: Why are you an anonymous sick fuck?
> > >
> > > Sara
> > >
> >
> > --
> > In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial
> > by
> > American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
> > thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment
by
> > parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
> > babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
> > erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.
> >
> >
>
> You fucked up, Don. You hit "respond via e-mail" as well. And here's
> what I received:
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sara" 
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.general,soc.culture.canada
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 9:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Ken McVay: Hang your head in shame..
>
>
> 'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
> any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC
>
> --
> "Americans have different ways of saying things. They say "elevator",
> we say "lift" ... they say "President", we say "stupid psychopathic git."
>        Alexai Sayle.




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"Sara"  wrote in message
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> In article <11K08.13963$Xs4.3545313@feed.centurytel.net>, "Mike McGee"
>  wrote:
>
> > LOL. so what does this say????
>
> It says you're trying to cover your ass, but it won't work.
>
> Sorry, Don. You blew it.


Cover my ass from what? You? LOL



> >
> >
> >
> > "Sara"  wrote in message
> > news:catamont-6571CC.16280314012002@news.concentric.net...
> > > In article , "Mike McGee"
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Sara"  wrote in message
> > > > news:catamont-682C9B.10415314012002@news.concentric.net...
> > > > > In article <20020114164013.9809.qmail@nym.alias.net>, lcs
Mixmaster
> > > > > Remailer  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Sara"  wrote in message news:catamont-
> > > > > > 400A72.08325614012002@news.concentric.net...
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <7bd65070cb7a94b1a5102b1911cc8b97@remailer.privacy.at>,
> > > > > > > Anonymous  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --Alleged Chickenhawk, Ken McVay, Condoning Child Porn--
> > > > > > > > "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
> > > > > > > > proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
> > > > > > > > seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of
> > > > > > > > those
> > in
> > > > > > > > my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any
great
> > > > > > > > moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
> > > > > > > >         http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
> > > > > > > >        Verified by John Morris with Message ID:
> > > > > > > >       cf214uoohhmoqblmvgg43auk48ts95up3n@4ax.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > WHAT YOU SNIPPED:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Perhaps one thing that I should note, because authors often
> > > > > sensationalize the hatemongering on the Net, is that, for all
their
> > > > > vitriol, these people are only a tiny handful of the 30-40 million
> > > > > users on the Internet. I am weary of seeing their activities blown
> > > > > out
> > > > > of proportion, as I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn"
> > > > > blown
> > > > > out of proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and
> > > > > have yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
> > > > > seen
> > > > > photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in my
> > > > > family
> > > > > photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great moral danger
to
> > > > > our society)."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > McVay does NOT condone child porn; he states he is "weary" of
> > > > > > > seeing
> > > > > > > "...the issue of 'child porn' blown out of porportion" likened
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > neo-Nazis, anti-semites, white supremacists  efforts
> > > > > > > "sensationalize[d]" on the net.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Looks like it's time to get the good Doc Tavish in here, so that
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > expose your sick fisting
> > > > > > S&M fetish...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, please do ask Doc Tavish about his sick S&M fetish. The posts
> > > > > you
> > > > > are "objecting" to are about consensual, loving relationships
> > > > > between
> > > > > two consenting individuals.
> > > > >
> > > > > Doc's, on the other hand, are about non-consensual physical
torture
> > > > > of
> > > > > his "enemies."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > P.S.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sara, how many times have you been investigated for child abuse?
> > > > > >
> > > > > My _family_ was investigated once when some sick fuck like you
> > > > > thought
> > > > > it would be cute to file an anonymous complaint (which by law must
> > > > > be
> > > > > investigated). We were given a completely clean bill of health amd
> > > > > all
> > > > > charges were dismissed. _I_ have never been investigated.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, now tell us: Why are you an anonymous sick fuck?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sara
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent
> > > > denial
> > > > by
> > > > American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who
> > > > are
> > > > thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel
> > > > treatment
> > by
> > > > parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for
> > > > their
> > > > babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her
> > > > son's
> > > > erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > You fucked up, Don. You hit "respond via e-mail" as well. And here's
> > > what I received:
> > >
> > > Return-Path: 
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> > > [209.142.136.99])
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> > > Reply-To: "Don Ellis" 
> > > From: "Don Ellis" 
> > > To: "Sara" 
> > > References: 
> > > 
> > > Subject: Re: Ken McVay: Hang your head in shame..
> > > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:31:02 -0600
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> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sara" 
> > > Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.general,soc.culture.canada
> > > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 9:35 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Ken McVay: Hang your head in shame..
> > >
> > >
> > > 'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
> > > proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
> > > yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
> > > seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
> > > my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
> > > any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC
> > >
> > > --
> > > "Americans have different ways of saying things. They say "elevator",
> > > we say "lift" ... they say "President", we say "stupid psychopathic
> > > git."
> > >        Alexai Sayle.
> >
> >
>
> --
> "Americans have different ways of saying things. They say "elevator",
> we say "lift" ... they say "President", we say "stupid psychopathic git."
>        Alexai Sayle.




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"Sara"  wrote in message
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> In article <6fK08.13964$Xs4.3546404@feed.centurytel.net>, "Mike McGee"
>  wrote:
>
> > "Sara"  wrote in message
> > news:catamont-E5A55F.16442514012002@news.concentric.net...
> > > In article <11K08.13963$Xs4.3545313@feed.centurytel.net>, "Mike McGee"
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > LOL. so what does this say????
> > >
> > > It says you're trying to cover your ass, but it won't work.
> > >
> > > Sorry, Don. You blew it.
> >
> >
> > Cover my ass from what? You? LOL
> >
>
> Oh, and stop e-mailing me, Don.
>
> Sara
>

Stop e-mailing me, you fat cow.



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In article , "GassenBurnham"
 wrote:

> Found this on the web...new material for your website.
>
>
> LOL
>
>
His website? Really? You mean he found another web host? He must have,
since both Truepath and Geocities dropped him....

Maybe you ought to host it at seark.net, Don.

Sara

--
"This is no social crisis, it's just you having fun."
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"Vellicet"  wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: David E. Michael on Violence Against Children
> >From: debunks@aol.com  (Debunks)
> >Date: 15/01/02 3:23 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <20020114232321.08042.00002757@mb-fi.aol.com>
> >
> >>Subject: Re: David E. Michael on Violence Against Children
> >>From: "Patrick Keenan" pkeenanxx@hotmail.com
> >>Date: 1/14/02 4:54 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >>Message-id: 
> >>
>
> [. . .]
>
>
> > to it.
> >
> >>> >'d have thought you'd find it offensive; instead, you seem to
> >>> >delight in it.
> >>> >
> >>> >-pk
> >>>
> >>> Well, get used to the idea of seeing it, Mr. Keenan, until he offers a
> >>sincere
> >
> >> apology.
> >>
> >>Perhaps you need to rethink who needs to apoligise, Mr. Bellinger, and
to
> >>whom.
> >>
> >>-pk
> >
> >Sure.  You can now apologize to me as well.
>
> LOL!!  These cads are a laugh a minute,...apologise...(hehe)
>

Spelling Correction: apologize


--
In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial by
American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment by
parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.


>
>
> Jason James
>
>
>




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"Sara"  wrote in message
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> In article , "Mike McGee"
>  wrote:
>
> > "Sara"  wrote in message
> > news:catamont-682C9B.10415314012002@news.concentric.net...
> > > In article <20020114164013.9809.qmail@nym.alias.net>, lcs Mixmaster
> > > Remailer  wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Sara"  wrote in message news:catamont-
> > > > 400A72.08325614012002@news.concentric.net...
> > > > > In article <7bd65070cb7a94b1a5102b1911cc8b97@remailer.privacy.at>,
> > > > > Anonymous  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > --Alleged Chickenhawk, Ken McVay, Condoning Child Porn--
> > > > > > "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
> > > > > > proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
> > > > > > yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
> > > > > > seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those
in
> > > > > > my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
> > > > > > moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
> > > > > >         http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
> > > > > >        Verified by John Morris with Message ID:
> > > > > >       cf214uoohhmoqblmvgg43auk48ts95up3n@4ax.com
> > > >
> > > WHAT YOU SNIPPED:
> > >
> > > "Perhaps one thing that I should note, because authors often
> > > sensationalize the hatemongering on the Net, is that, for all their
> > > vitriol, these people are only a tiny handful of the 30-40 million
> > > users on the Internet. I am weary of seeing their activities blown out
> > > of proportion, as I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown
> > > out of proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and
> > > have yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've seen
> > > photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in my family
> > > photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great moral danger to
> > > our society)."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > McVay does NOT condone child porn; he states he is "weary" of
> > > > > seeing
> > > > > "...the issue of 'child porn' blown out of porportion" likened to
> > > > > the
> > > > > neo-Nazis, anti-semites, white supremacists  efforts
> > > > > "sensationalize[d]" on the net.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Looks like it's time to get the good Doc Tavish in here, so that he
> > > > can
> > > > expose your sick fisting
> > > > S&M fetish...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, please do ask Doc Tavish about his sick S&M fetish. The posts you
> > > are "objecting" to are about consensual, loving relationships between
> > > two consenting individuals.
> > >
> > > Doc's, on the other hand, are about non-consensual physical torture of
> > > his "enemies."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > P.S.
> > > >
> > > > Sara, how many times have you been investigated for child abuse?
> > > >
> > > My _family_ was investigated once when some sick fuck like you thought
> > > it would be cute to file an anonymous complaint (which by law must be
> > > investigated). We were given a completely clean bill of health amd all
> > > charges were dismissed. _I_ have never been investigated.
> > >
> > > So, now tell us: Why are you an anonymous sick fuck?
> > >
> > > Sara
> > >
> >
> > --
> > In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial
> > by
> > American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
> > thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment
by
> > parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
> > babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
> > erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.
> >
> >
>
> You fucked up, Don. You hit "respond via e-mail" as well. And here's
> what I received:
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sara" 
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.general,soc.culture.canada
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 9:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Ken McVay: Hang your head in shame..
>
Nice forgery, Sara, but it doesn't work. No one believes you anymore, if
they ever did.






From nicegoy@eudoramail.com Thu Jan 17 21:36:21 EST 2002
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From: "Steve Chatman" 
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"Michael Ragland"  wrote in message
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>
> I also support physician assisted suicide. The decision, however, must
> clearly be that of the patient's and not the physician.

How much does it cost? I'll gladly send you the money.

--
"As far as homosexual bondage at the Holiday Inn make sure to bring plastic
so the management doesn't charge you for shit stained bedsheets".
 - Michael Ragland


>
> MR
>
> Dr. Ewan Jackson in a December 25th post to alt.revisionism
>
> "Actually, Mr Ragland, the problem is the United States First Amendment
> protected-speech laws.
> Free speech in the US is a licence to harass, intimidate and libel."
>
> EJ
>




From nicegoy@eudoramail.com Thu Jan 17 21:36:21 EST 2002
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"Susan Cohen"  wrote in message
news:3C469E6F.3EDE456F@hers.com...
>
>
> "^.^" wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:21:08 -0500, <3C468974.1C7AF9D3@hers.com> Susan
Cohen
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >John Morris wrote:
> > >
> > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > >> Hash: SHA1
> > >>
> > >> In <7r7c4uk0darkt4s9h0d20mdgeuqe5up6d3@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
> > >> on 17 Jan 2002 00:57:14 GMT, _
> > >> <-t-a--v-i-sh-4--8@i--x.n-e-tc-o-m.c-om Remove_ Hyphens 2_ Mail>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On 11 Jan 2002 03:43:34 GMT,
> > >> >  Sara
> > >> >  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > >I'm not quiet, Mr. Bradbury, I just don't see any need to respond
> > >> > >to  your sexual fantasies. You may have them all you want, of
> > >> > >course, but  please keep my children out of them.
> > :
> > >> > That article on a ceiling fan torture device was not my fantasy. It
> > >> > was your husband's! Care to deny it? I now ask again because you
> > >> > are a dumb pig-- did your children see the described torture
> > >> > device? Did they see it used?
> > :
> > >> For his next trick, Scott Bradbury will bellow like a stuck moose
> > >> about the lack of respect for his privacy.
> > :
> > >To be immediately followed by his squealing like a stuck
> > >pig about the "lies" told about him.
> > >
> > >Susan
> >
> > Hey Gary- when you had your sex change did you get Bobbitized or is it
still
> > swinging under your dress!?
>
> Your obsession with male genitalia is more telling than your need to lie
> about me and Sara Salzman, tho' it all does tie together to show a total
> lack of being able to deal with women openly & honestly.
>
> > Yes everyone-- Susan Cohen is a transexual! Susan Cohen was formerly
known as
> > Gary Rumain as this evidence proves:
>
> As always, there is nothing here but a collection of posts signed in my
> own name while using the account of Gary Rumain.
> I realize that you are unfamiliar with the concept of sharing - no one
> would ever be moved to share anything with you, much less an ISP
> account, but other people's experience of the kinder side of humanity
> is thankfully wider & more varied than yours - mine certainly is.
>
> Find any post where I used an account with a different name that I did
> not  sign with my own name, and you will appear only marginally less
> stupid than you do right now, you sick sad desperate little waste of skin.
>
> My apoloigies to those who thoughtfully try to preserve badnwidth for
> posts of actual substance: I am deleting not a single one of the following
> because of the sad fact that little Scotty will then shriek that I am
afraid
> of his lies. Since nothing could be father from the truth, I am forced to
> waste bandwidth in the probably vain attamept to keep him from further
> shrill lunacy.
>

Spelling correction: apologies

Spelling correction: bandwidth

Spelling correction: attempt


--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





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"Debunks"  wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: I HAVE A DREAM: THE VATICAN WILL FADE AWAY
> >From: kmlewis@nospam.shaww.ca  (Ken Lewis)
> >Date: 1/17/02 12:59 AM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <3c478cc2.334249882@shawnews>
> >
> >On 17 Jan 2002 08:00:53 GMT, debunks@aol.com (Debunks) wrote:
> >
> >>>Subject: Re: I HAVE A DREAM: THE VATICAN WILL FADE AWAY
> >>>From: kmlewis@nospam.shaww.ca  (Ken Lewis)
> >>>Date: 1/16/02 11:20 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >>>Message-id: <3c4a7825.328972481@shawnews>
> >>>
> >>>On 16 Jan 2002 22:47:48 -0800, joebruno@indystart.com (Joe Bruno)
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>This is one Jew who supports the Catholic Church wholeheartedly.I
> >>>>don't accept their faith, but I sure like what they do for people.
> >>>
> >>>I am sure you to, Bruno. Let's see?
> >>>
> >>>The Inquisition?
> >>
> >>Of which you have NO knowledge whatsoever.  Let's be frank here, Lewis.
You
> >>don't give a damn about Catholics or any other Christians.  The Catholic
> >>Inquisition was directly solely toward CATHOLICS, and we all know what
you
> >>think of Catholics in general anyway.
> >
> >Yes, I am sure the dead and mutilated Jews of Spain would have been
> >sure to agree with you.
>
> Again, you don't know what you're talking about.  Jews did not come under
the
> jurisdiction of the Inquisition-only those Jews who had converted to
> Catholicism and then tried to relapse.  Then it became heresy.
>
> >Stick a sock in it asswipe
>
> temper temper, Lewis...lol!
>
> > I've forgotten more about church history
> >and theology than you are ever likely to be able to retain.
>
> How can you forget what you never knew in the first place?
>
> >Watching you try to win an argument is as funny as watching a one
> >legged man in a ass kicking contest.
> >
> >Give it up, Joe.
> >
> >[snip]
>
> And with those words, Lewis gives up!  LOL!  You're a riot, Lewis.
Pathetic,
> but a riot.
>
> >>Protestants did you say?  Rebels.
> >
> >And that gave the Catholics the right to massacre protestants by the
> >thousands by the thousands? You still have a funny morality, JHJ.
> >
>
> Really?  What do you know about massacres?  real or imagined?
>
> >snip]
> >
> >>Why should he be required to prove anything to a bigoted imbecile such
as
> >>yourself, Lewis?
>
> >Are you instructing Bruno on the Bellinger method of debate wherein
> >one never proves his assertions? LOL. You *are* funny, Joe
> >
>
> Funnier is that fact that everyone is laughing at you, Lewis.
>
> >[snip]
> >
> >>Would that you would follow your own advice.
>
> >Oh, I *do* provide citations to back up what I say, JHJ.
>
> Yeh, you either quote yourself or another clone!
>
> >If you are
> >suggesting that I do  not you must be mistaking me with yourself.
>
> Nah.  You couldn't be mistaken with anyone but yourself.
>
> >>>Do you intend to provide
> >>>support for this assertion or are you going to continue to run away
> >>>like a coward?
> >
> >>You mean you want him to follow in your footsteps?
> >
> >ROTFLMAO!
>
> >Sniveling little Joe. No argument to make tonight so this is all you
> >have to offer?
> >
>
> LOL!
>
> >I leave the running away to you, Joe. You do it so well. You have the
> >alt.revisionism exit down to a 10 second exit now although I believe
> >you exited in 5 at the end of the Romans 11 issue. LOL.
>
> Oh, the Romans issue, where I wupped your ass but good!  Everytime I think
of
> it, I can't help but laugh at how idiotic you made yourself appear-and all
so
> effortlessly, too!
>
>
>
> >
> >>>3) When it was pointed out that 'Uprising' was a made-for-TV movie you
> >>>called me a liar and stated it had never been shown on TV
> >
>
> >
> >>Perhaps he missed it?  Ever think of that?
> >>Not all of us can be great savants like you, Lewis.
>
> >Well, we know *you* can't be a great savant like me, Joe
>
> Who is 'we" - Lewis?  One of your split personalities?  Ever thought of
trying
> prozac?
>
>
>
> >Hell, you
> >cannot measure up to anyone in this newsgroup.
>
> Why?  Are you all over 5'10?
>
> >You've risen as far as
> >you will go -- publishing papers on Carlos Porters website. ROTFLMAO!
>
> Actually I have essays, articles, book forwards, and a book of my own in
the
> works.  And another in the making.  So it looks like you were mistaken
after
> all.
>
> >Man, that will impress the hell out of historians and gain you world
> >renown. LOL. You *are* an idiot, Joe.
> >
> >Inspire
>
> Poor Ken....I can see him now...trying to shove unused toothpaste back
into the
> tube!  Whoever said I was interested in 'world renown?'  You don't have to
> worry about yourself though, unless they are planning a reward for the
biggest
> dunce of the 21st century.
>
> >>Inspite
> >
> >>In spite
> >
> >Thanks, Joe. At least you are good for something.
>
> While you appear to be good for nothing.
>
> >>>having been pointed to evidence that contradicts your assertion you
> >>>have repeatedly run away from making a retraction
> >
> >>As you do.
>
> >
> >Prove it. Oh, wait, I forgot. You are another one who makes assertions
> >without citations.
> >
>
> Oh, I have better things to do with my time than chase after your silly
> bugaboos.
>
> >>Do you intend to
> >>>make a retraction of your lie or are you going to continue to run away
> >>>like a coward?
> >
> >>Do you also intend to retract your lies, Lewis?  And don't bore me with
a
> >reply
> >>like, "What lies?"  Who, ME?"
>
> >Do you intend to prove I lied, Bellinger? And don't bore me by evading
> >the question again.
> >
>
> Why prove the obvious?  Do I need to prove that the sun rises in the east
and
> sets in the west?
>
> >>Who are you to correct anyone here, Lewis?  Your only forte consists in
> >coining
> >>repulsive ditties like:
> >
> >>"Hail Mary full of grace
> >>Pull down your pants and sit on my face"
> >
>
> >>That, Lewis, is the extent of your scholarship
> >
> >That, Bellinger, is the extent of your honesty as well as reading and
> >comprehension skills. As you well know I did not coin the ditty, I
> >merely repeated it.
>
> That isn't what you claimed at the time you posted it...nor did you claim
it
> for weeks afterward either.
>
> >
> >However, I posted it twice. I believe you have now posted it around 30
> >times. You must get your rocks off to it.
>
> I just want people to know the real you, Kenny.
>
> >
> >[snip the rest of the crapola down the old Bellinger]
> >
> >Good night, Joe. Tuck that crucifix under your pillow, eat two cloves
> >of garlic, and call me in the morning.
>
> Why?  I have no fear of vampires like you.
> What do you want me to call you?  By what you are?-an as*hole?
>

Lewis is not an asshole...he is the ordure that clings to it.


--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





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"Michael Ragland"  wrote in message
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>
> Dr. David Michael performs on the stage of alt.revisionism once again.
> He comes out and sits down at the piano and one hears the same piece of
> music he has always played. It gets old Dr. Michael, awfully old.

Is the ice cream hitman forcing you to read Dr. Michael's postings?




--
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so the management doesn't charge you for shit stained bedsheets".
 - Michael Ragland




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NEW YORK (AP) - The brother of a rabbinical student killed a decade ago in
Brooklyn's Crown Heights neighborhood said he will lobby officials to help
overturn a ruling that grants a new trial to two black men convicted in the
slaying.

Norman Rosenbaum said he will meet with federal prosecutors, former Mayor
Rudolph Giuliani (news - web sites), Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Gov. George
Pataki.

``I've come here primarily to ensure that we appeal the decision handed down
last Monday,'' Rosenbaum, a lawyer, said after arriving in New York from
Australia, where he lives.

Last week, a 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals panel found the trial judge
manipulated the racial makeup of the jury for Lemrick Nelson Jr., 27, and
Charles Price, 47, and threw out their 1997 convictions for violating the
civil rights of Yankel Rosenbaum.

The government normally has 14 days to petition the appeals court to
reconsider a ruling. U.S. Attorney Alan Vinegrad has said the government
needs a 30-day extension beyond the current Jan. 22 deadline to let the
Justice Department (news - web sites) review the 129-page decision.

``My family and I, on the advice of our lawyers, feel it is imperative that
the decision not be allowed to stand and every effort ought to be made to
have it overturned,'' Rosenbaum said Monday.

The racially charged case dates to Aug. 19, 1991, when a black 7-year-old
boy, Gavin Cato, was struck and killed by a Jewish driver from the
ultra-Orthodox Lubavitch community headquartered in Crown Heights.

Hours later, a gang of blacks shouting ``Get the Jew!'' chased down and
fatally stabbed the 29-year-old Rosenbaum. The violence over the next two
days, including angry crowds breaking windows, left 188 people injured.
--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman







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"Vellicet"  wrote in message
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> >Subject: Part 1: Communism Is in Effect: _THE GUARDIAN ANGEL OF JEWS R_17
> >From: ^.^ t-a-vis-h-4-8@i-x.n-e-t-com.c-omRemove_Hyphens 2_ Mail
> >Date: 17/01/02 6:12 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: 
> >
> >Communism Is in Effect: _THE GUARDIAN ANGEL OF JEWS_
> >
> >FOR YOUR ARCHIVES PEOPLE! Definitive proofs Jews are the creators and
> >propagators of world communism.
> >
>
>  The fact is the Bolshevik Govt virtually shut down Judaism as a religion
in
> Russia. The Bolshevik Govt banned Hebrew, closed synagogues and forbid any
> traditional teaching except in highly restrictive Yiddish.
>
> What YOU fail to comprehend Tavish, is that there were NO JEWS in the
Communist
> party who practised their Religion,....WHY?   The Yevsekzia, a special
Jewish
> administrative group within the Communist regime WIPED the pracise of
JUDAISM
> OUT.  Further, any Rabbis or officials disobeying the edict were sent to
the
> Gulags or executed.
>
> Of all the anti- Jewish activities that have occured down thru the ages,
the
> Communist Govt of the Soviet Union did as much to wipe out Judaism as
most.
>
>  It's a very strange Dictatorship indeed which destroys its own spiritual
> beliefs.


Spelling corrections: practiced
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"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman

>
> Jason James
>
>
>




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I bet Sara's husband has a history of molesting children.


"^.^"  wrote in
message news:arsc4uoam6nr7ht8ojus6npkia274iibfi@4ax.com...
> schwartz@infinet.com
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=2&selm=schwartz-0201960750240001%40c
mh-p077.infinet.com
> From: schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect)
> Subject: Re: Compuserve
> Date: 1996/01/02
> Message-ID: 
> organization: Cat's Lair
> reply-to: Cougar@cris.com
> newsgroups: alt.internet.media-coverage
>
> schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:
>
> >What a bunch of chickenshits at Compuserve for denying access to
> >"pornographic" groups because the German government is whining about it.
> >
> >Funny... I don't see the German government getting upset about the Nazi
> >groups online.
> >
> >Compuserve caved. I'm GLAD I get my addess through a provider that
doesn't
> >play those games.
> >
>
> Yes, Compuslop has once again decided they'd rather kow-tow to the
> few, rather than stand on any principles. To call them chickenshits is
> a bit unfair, however. To chickenshit.
>
> [...]
>
> I have heard that some folks posting on this topic have gotten flamed
> for "supporting pedophiles". I don't know which trailer park such
> flamers live in or I'd be asking the powers that be for a tornado
> about now.
>
> < minimalizes child porn just like Ken McVay does!! It only figures this
> "Wild Bunch" would be allies!!>
>
> Cougar
>
> ~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~
>
> Now we have 100% proof that cougar@cris.com is Sara's husband. Notice that
the
> post was made under this account:
> From: schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect)
> Subject: Re: Compuserve
> Date: 1996/01/02
> Message-ID: 
> organization: Cat's Lair
>
> BUT notice it was signed by Cougar and the headers show this:
> organization: Cat's Lair
> reply-to: Cougar@cris.com
>
> Now I revisit this post made by Sara's husband:
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=2&selm=01bc415c%247211d820%24564153c
e%40default
> From: "Cougar" 
> Subject: Re: Is A Switch More Sadistic Than A Sadist
> Date: 1997/04/04
> Message-ID: <01bc415c$7211d820$564153ce@default>#1/1
> References: <334d4cd6.61958491@news.praxis.net>
> <01bc4036$365e69a0$524153ce@crc3.concentric.net>
> <334719e5.5315489@news.praxis.net>
> Organization: Cat Tales, Inc.
> Newsgroups: alt.sadistic,alt.torture
>
> rainbird@praxis.net wrote in article <334719e5.5315489@news.praxis.net>...
> > "Cougar"  wrote and I had to answer:
> > >I'll stand and deliver, for the moment. I am one who did at least
> > >_attempt_ to do the other side of the whip in a serious mode. Once. The
> > >experiment (for that was what it was) was worse than a failure, as it
cost me a
> > >friendship.
> :
> > This one is very sad to hear that it cost you a friend....soemtimes we
> > have to separate our friends from our sexuallity...not hide it from
> > them, but not engage friends within it unless the friendship has grown
> > out of it. Boy did this one make a bastard of that statement. Sadly
> > too often when we go to bed with our friends and it does not work out,
> > we lose both lover and friend for the relationship can never be the
> > same...there that made more sense.
>
> I believe you misunderstand. She was already in the scene. The event that
> cost the friendship was the fact that she realized, as did I, who was
> really "on top" during the session. She had asked for a massage, which I
> delivered. She then asked what was different about what I had done and a
> sensual massage. Being from Missouri, I showed her. At the end of that
> massage I was clearly in charge and she had orgasmed.
>
> She considered herself domme only.
>
> > 
>
> > >Under no circumstances would I be able to replicate the experience of
> > >being a female masochist in mentality. I wasn't raised female.
> :
> > Nope and for the most part even those who are...if they are not
> > masochistic can not understand for the life of them WHY anyone would
> > want to be.
>
> An excellent example of your words are the Anne Rice Beauty stories. How
> one can write a few hot scenes but not get the emotions behind them, I
> don't know. You gotta be in the head and heart to make it hot in reality.
>
> > other than to keep the household budget and cook. Now a days there is
> > more and more pointed towards young females and the slaves and subs of
> > tomorrow may well give the Doms a hell of a run for the money.
> >
>
> As the step-father of a five year old domme in training (that is NOT meant
> literally, oh yea of political correctness!) I think they'll give the subs
> of tomorrow hell, too.
>
> ~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
>
> Yep I guess ol' Cougar was kidding but then again who really knows. Here
is an
> another example of Sara's childrens' "exposure":
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=01bcb955%24e8324aa0%2440a89bcf%40crc3.c
oncentric.net&output=gplain
> From: "Cougar" 
> Subject: Re: Auto Bondage
> Date: 1997/09/04
> Message-ID: <01bcb955$e8324aa0$40a89bcf@crc3.concentric.net>
> References: <340D79B7.83D7D8D2@hotmail.com>
> Organization: Cat Tales, Inc.
> Newsgroups: alt.torture
>
> There is a method of having yourself whipped, with a little work.
>
> First, obtain a large household type fan, you may already own one. Second,
> a timing device capable of being set to relatively short periods of time,
> usually sold to turn lamps on and off in hardware stores. You will need to
> have access to a drill, as well.
>
> Open the fan up, taking the guard pieces off. Drill a hole about 1" in
from
> the tip of each fan blade. Next, take leather strips (boot laces from any
> store will work for this) and knot one end through the hole in the fan
> blade, leaving about 2 feet of the leather hanging off the end of the
> blade.
>
> Set the fan into a position to swing the leather strips so they will fly
> parrallel to the floor. Set up the timing device to activate in a few
> minutes, then stand within range of the leather strips on the fan blade.
> When the power cuts on, the blades will begin to turn, the leather to fly
> and you will be whipped by each strip as it passes. Start with the fan's
> lowest power, but if that is too mild, set it higher.
>
> Now, you might move away from the fan, so you might also practice some
self
> bondage to keep you in position, such as bent over a chair with your ass
> sticking out where the fan's strips will strike your ass.
>
> It isn't the cane, but that is best weilded by an experienced hand.
>
>              ~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~
>
> Need I say more? Look at my sig line to see another example of potential
child
> abuse! Sara Salzman and Ken McVay-- Agents of B'nai Brith have many common
> traits don't they?
>
> Here is a picture of Sara Salzman:
> http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif
>
> She looks like she's been under her husband's ceiling fan torture device
once
> too oftern!
>
> Doc Tavish
>
> --Alleged Chickenhawk, Ken McVay, Condoning Child Porn--
> "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
> moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>         http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
>        Verified by John Morris with Message ID:
>       cf214uoohhmoqblmvgg43auk48ts95up3n@4ax.com
>
> (For the record this child porn apologist is funded by B'nai Brith
>   as shown here:   http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html
>   B'nai Brith must condone pictures of "naked children" too!)
>
> Here is a photo of Ken McVay, director of WWW.NIZKOR.ORG-- does he
> not have the uncouth look as to fit the profile of a person who
> would say in general regarding child porn: "I am weary of seeing the
> issue of "child porn" blown out of proportion (I've been on and
> around the Net since 1988, and have yet to come across anything I'd
> consider "child porn." I've seen photos of naked children, ... and
> fail to see the harm, or any great moral danger to our society)."?
> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>      Would any of you want to leave this person, Ken McVay,
>                 alone with your children?
>




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"Michael Ragland"  wrote in message
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> Don, if it means nothing to you why comment? I've noticed your posts
> are almost always a few sentences. Quite often just one sentence.
> Sometimes nothing. And what's with the use of all the nyms? Why don't
> you use your real name? We know you are the one with the sockpuppet
> centurytel.net. I hope your family is well. You must be quite proud of
> Megan being an Honor Roll student and her racing. I saw the picture of
> her on your website and I disagree with Sara this is evidence you
> don't care about her.
>
> MR



Why don't call Don and tell him. Coward.
--
In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial by
American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment by
parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.


>
>
> "Mike McGee"  wrote in message
news:...
> > "National Front88"  wrote in message
> > news:20020116131032.05025.00001548@mb-ce.aol.com...
> > > Subject: Threads of Intimidation
> > > From: Ragland36@webtv.net  (Michael Ragland)
> > > Date: 1/16/2002 2:40 AM Pacific Standard Time
> > > Message-id: <20011228040343.A95BB1776E@posting.google.com>
> > >
> > > I've recently noticed Ewan Jackson (not his real name) stalking Brian
> > > Blank by claiming to have his phone number and zipcode of where he
> > > lives as well as claiming to call pretending to do a survey and
> > > speaking with Mrs. Blank.
> > >
> > > The antisemites will whine they are intimidated and that their
> > > personal information has been posted on a.r. This may have occurred a
> > > few times but the antisemites on a.r. (a handful of them especially)
> > > make it a practice to regularly intimidate those they are incapable of
> > > intellectually responding to.
> > >
> > > There are plenty of examples which attest to this. The so-called
> > > Nizkor phone book which contains names, addresses, phone numbers,
> > > maps, photos, etc. Pictures of Sara Salzman's house has been posted as
> > > well as a list of her neighbors names and phone numbers. My photo has
> > > been posted on a.r. as well as a describtion of  where I live and my
> > > neighbor's names and phone numbers.
> > >
> > > These antisemites will dig up any information they can on you by
> > > searching the internet and other avenues. They will pick and choose
> > > what information they will post on a.r. on you. They then will
> > > embellish it with lies to smear you. This has happenned in the cases
> > > of both Sara Salzman whose children's autism and fantasy bondage posts
> > > (which explicitly stated they were not to be reposted without
> > > permission) and myself whose disability and misdeamor conviction of
> > > pretending to be a public official have been exploited in an attempt
> > > to discredit us. Sara is portrayed as an unfit mother; I'm portrayed
> > > as a loon; McVay is portrayed as a viewer of child pornography.
> > >
> > > All of this is false but the antisemites will distort information
> > > often taking things purposefully out of context, to harrass,
> > > intimidate, stalk, and smear others.
> > >
> > > Why do they do this especially since their tactics are almost 100% of
> > > the time ineffective in stopping these harrassed, smeared, stalked,
> > > and intimidated posters from continuing posting?
> > >
> > > Part of it is the sense of power the antisemite gets from tracking
> > > down information on a person and letting that poster know where they
> > > live, what their phone number is, what car they drive, who their
> > > neighbors are, etc. This gives a real sense of power to these people
> > > who otherwise feel quite powerless.
> > >
> > > This plays into the intimidation factor. Nobody likes to have a
> > > stranger or an uninvited person telling them where they live, what
> > > their phone number is, what their house looks like, etc. No person
> > > likes to have a stranger or uninvited person calling their house,
> > > place of employment, or visiting the school their children attend and
> > > telling them about it.
> > >
> > > The reasons why are obvious. Each of us in concerned about the safety
> > > and welfare of ourselves and loved ones. Life is hard enough with some
> > > asshole creating additional emotional stress for us.
> > >
> > > The antisemites resort to many of the above tactics because they are
> > > "intellectually" incapable of defending their ideas on being
> > > antisemitic. A recent example is Dr. Michael whose statement, "No
> > > presidential candidate could be elected without the support of the
> > > Jewish community," was shown to be totally false. Rather than
> > > acknowledge his false statement and retract it Dr. Michael instigated
> > > a smear mini-campaign on a.r. of Mr. McVay. This is typical of the
> > > antisemite. When confronted with stark evidence of his erroneous ideas
> > > he will appeal to stupidity to "win" his argument. Outside the
> > > internet, this could be bashing a few heads in. On a.r. it is
> > > instigating a smear campaign against Mr. McVay.
> > >
> > > I don't know your real name "Ewan Jackson" but I know one thing. You
> > > are a creep.
> > >
> > > MR
> > > ---
> > >      For the record, I am against posting a person's address to the
> >  Internet,
> > > too.  That may be easy for me to say as I haven't been taken to court
by
> > > Nizkorites, had my personal information turned over to a third party,
then
> > > watch them post this information to Newsgroups, as was the case with
Doc
> >  Tavish
> > > (something you failed to mention).
> > >
> > >        I'd make a terrible stalker.
> > >
> > > National Front88
> > >
> > > PS:  Then again, I don't view child porn on the Internet and then go
into
> >  a
> > > state of denial.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Same here, I'm against the posting of a person's address. A stalker I'm
not.
> > --
> > "I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess,
he's
> > going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman
> >
> > "But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die
alone?
> > Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally
safe
> > with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess,
he's
> > > going to whip my breasts." --Sara "The Fist" Salzman




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"Sara"  wrote in message
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> In article <35a8d44b.0201170718.5fa76b88@posting.google.com>,
> Ragland36@webtv.net (Michael Ragland) wrote:
>
> > Don, if it means nothing to you why comment? I've noticed your posts
> > are almost always a few sentences. Quite often just one sentence.
> > Sometimes nothing. And what's with the use of all the nyms? Why don't
> > you use your real name? We know you are the one with the sockpuppet
> > centurytel.net. I hope your family is well. You must be quite proud of
> > Megan being an Honor Roll student and her racing. I saw the picture of
> > her on your website and I disagree with Sara this is evidence you
> > don't care about her.
> >
> > MR
> >
> >
> >
>
> What _ARE_ you on about, Mr. Ragland? I never said anything about Mr.
> Ellis' feelings for his daughter. I've known about his web site for
> quite some time and have NEVER mentioned it publicly.



Sure you did. About two weeks ago. Good thing Don didn't see it.

--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman



> It is Mr. Ellis who said last September 2nd:
>
> M. Kalvatis 
>
> "By her allowing that paper to publish her picture, is proof Sara is
> asking for trouble."
>
> --
> "Americans have different ways of saying things. They say "elevator",
> we say "lift" ... they say "President", we say "stupid psychopathic git."
>        Alexai Sayle.




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"Debunks"  wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: I HAVE A DREAM: THE VATICAN WILL FADE AWAY
> >From: ragland36@webtv.net  (Michael Ragland)
> >Date: 1/17/02 11:49 AM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <13646-3C472ABB-154@storefull-622.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
> >
> >
> >I'm sure that's true Mr. Chatman. I don't hate you but apparently you
> >hate me or what you think I represent. Why?
> >
> >MR
> >
>
> I don't think he "hates" you, Mr. Ragland.  You gave him the perfect
opening
> and he took advantage of it to mock you.

On target.


--
"As far as homosexual bondage at the Holiday Inn make sure to bring plastic
so the management doesn't charge you for shit stained bedsheets".
 - Michael Ragland




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"Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
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> Sara  wrote in message
news:...
> > In article <636415e9.0201161715.18954505@posting.google.com>,
> > ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> >
> > > Sara  wrote in message
> > > news:...
> > > > In article <636415e9.0201151956.7dbf1959@posting.google.com>,
> > > > ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sara  wrote in message
> > > > > news:...
> > > > > > In article <11K08.13963$Xs4.3545313@feed.centurytel.net>, "Mike
> > > > > > McGee"
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > LOL. so what does this say????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It says you're trying to cover your ass, but it won't work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry, Don. You blew it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sara,
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't you ever get tired of playing these silly little spy
> > > > > games?  I am unsure exactly what you are trying to achieve,
> > > > > but every time you post something provocative you are
> > > > > actually soliciting the "harassment" you complain about.
> > > > >
> > > > > EJ
> > > >
> > > > What a fascinating statement. Don Ellis e-mails _me_, and I'm
> > > > soliciting
> > > > harassment?!
> > > >
> > > > Please tell me what "spy games" I am playing, Mr. Jackson, by
posting
> > > > the header of an unsolicited e-mail?
> > >
> > > All I'm saying is that every time you start an aggressive thread
> > > about Mr Blakely or Mr Ellis, you are inviting a response, and the
> > > response might not always be in a form you would like.  It wasn't
> > > long ago that you posted provocative material about Mr Blakely
> > > for 100+ consecutive days.  For what purpose, one must ask?
> > >
> > > > And while you're at it, tell us again about this imaginary THHP
list,
> > > > and what topics we're discussing this week.
> > >
> > > At a guess, Don Ellis, your favourite subject.  You're possibly
bitching
> > > about how much $ you've spent on a certain law firm with zero results.
> > > Just a guess.
> > >
> > > EJ
> >
> > ROFL!! I haven't spent one thin DIME on Donnie Ellis. He's worth even
> > less than you are.
>
> Now I beg to differ.
>
> Remember you told Suzie you maintain an Excel spreadsheet to keep track
> of all of Don's and Pat's emails and posts.  You certainly go to a lot of
> effort with these people.
>
> EJ

Please send me a copy of this spreadsheet.


--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





From nicegoy@eudoramail.com Thu Jan 17 21:36:24 EST 2002
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"Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
news:636415e9.0201171735.5af2da1a@posting.google.com...
> "Steve Chatman"  wrote in message
news:...
> > "Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
> > news:636415e9.0201171457.b67c855@posting.google.com...
> > > Sara  wrote in message
> >  news:...
> > > > In article <636415e9.0201161715.18954505@posting.google.com>,
> > > > ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sara  wrote in message
> > > > > news:...
> > > > > > In article <636415e9.0201151956.7dbf1959@posting.google.com>,
> > > > > > ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sara  wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:...
> > > > > > > > In article <11K08.13963$Xs4.3545313@feed.centurytel.net>,
"Mike
> > > > > > > > McGee"
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > LOL. so what does this say????
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It says you're trying to cover your ass, but it won't work.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sorry, Don. You blew it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sara,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Don't you ever get tired of playing these silly little spy
> > > > > > > games?  I am unsure exactly what you are trying to achieve,
> > > > > > > but every time you post something provocative you are
> > > > > > > actually soliciting the "harassment" you complain about.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > EJ
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What a fascinating statement. Don Ellis e-mails _me_, and I'm
> > > > > > soliciting
> > > > > > harassment?!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please tell me what "spy games" I am playing, Mr. Jackson, by
> >  posting
> > > > > > the header of an unsolicited e-mail?
> > > > >
> > > > > All I'm saying is that every time you start an aggressive thread
> > > > > about Mr Blakely or Mr Ellis, you are inviting a response, and the
> > > > > response might not always be in a form you would like.  It wasn't
> > > > > long ago that you posted provocative material about Mr Blakely
> > > > > for 100+ consecutive days.  For what purpose, one must ask?
> > > > >
> > > > > > And while you're at it, tell us again about this imaginary THHP
> >  list,
> > > > > > and what topics we're discussing this week.
> > > > >
> > > > > At a guess, Don Ellis, your favourite subject.  You're possibly
> >  bitching
> > > > > about how much $ you've spent on a certain law firm with zero
results.
> > > > > Just a guess.
> > > > >
> > > > > EJ
> > > >
> > > > ROFL!! I haven't spent one thin DIME on Donnie Ellis. He's worth
even
> > > > less than you are.
> > >
> > > Now I beg to differ.
> > >
> > > Remember you told Suzie you maintain an Excel spreadsheet to keep
track
> > > of all of Don's and Pat's emails and posts.  You certainly go to a lot
of
> > > effort with these people.
> > >
> > > EJ
> >
> > Please send me a copy of this spreadsheet.
>
> I don't have a copy of the spreadsheet, but I do have a forwarded
> email from Suzie in which Sara mentions it.
>
> EJ


I just got it. Thanks!

BTW. Sara just made this statement (lie) :


Re: Threads of Intimidation
"What _ARE_ you on about, Mr. Ragland? I never said anything about Mr.
Ellis' feelings for his daughter. I've known about his web site for
quite some time and have NEVER mentioned it publicly."

Do you remember her making a earlier statement (week or two ago) about Mr.
Ellis' racing site and his daughter. I remember you making a reply to it.
Help.





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"Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
news:636415e9.0201171738.7096b7ff@posting.google.com...
> Sara  wrote in message
news:...
> > In article <636415e9.0201171436.36df32ee@posting.google.com>,
> > ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> >
> > > Sara  wrote in message
> > > news:...
> > > > In article <636415e9.0201161715.18954505@posting.google.com>,
> > > > ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sara  wrote in message
> > > > > news:...
> > > > > > In article <636415e9.0201151956.7dbf1959@posting.google.com>,
> > > > > > ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sara  wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:...
> > > > > > > > In article <11K08.13963$Xs4.3545313@feed.centurytel.net>,
"Mike
> > > > > > > > McGee"
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > LOL. so what does this say????
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It says you're trying to cover your ass, but it won't work.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sorry, Don. You blew it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sara,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Don't you ever get tired of playing these silly little spy
> > > > > > > games?  I am unsure exactly what you are trying to achieve,
> > > > > > > but every time you post something provocative you are
> > > > > > > actually soliciting the "harassment" you complain about.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > EJ
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What a fascinating statement. Don Ellis e-mails _me_, and I'm
> > > > > > soliciting
> > > > > > harassment?!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please tell me what "spy games" I am playing, Mr. Jackson, by
> > > > > > posting
> > > > > > the header of an unsolicited e-mail?
> > > > >
> > > > > All I'm saying is that every time you start an aggressive thread
> > > > > about Mr Blakely or Mr Ellis, you are inviting a response, and the
> > > > > response might not always be in a form you would like.  It wasn't
> > > > > long ago that you posted provocative material about Mr Blakely
> > > > > for 100+ consecutive days.  For what purpose, one must ask?
> > > > >
> > > > > > And while you're at it, tell us again about this imaginary THHP
> > > > > > list,
> > > > > > and what topics we're discussing this week.
> > > > >
> > > > > At a guess, Don Ellis, your favourite subject.  You're possibly
> > > > > bitching
> > > > > about how much $ you've spent on a certain law firm with zero
> > > > > results.
> > > > > Just a guess.
> > > > >
> > > > > EJ
> > > >
> > > > ROFL!! I haven't spent one thin DIME on Donnie Ellis. He's worth
even
> > > > less than you are.
> > > >
> > > > If you have some "information," please do identify the "law firm."
> > > >
> > > > Sara
> > >
> > > According to my sources, it was SPLC.
> > >
> > > EJ
> >
> > ROFL!!! Good one!
> >
> > Not only is that pure imagination, but SPLC doesn't CHARGE anyone
> > anything.
> >
> > So you lied again.
> >
>
> Really Sara?  So you haven't had the Southern Poverty Law Centre
> make inquiries on your behalf?  Uh huh.  Does the name
>  Elizabeth Kleinberg ring a bell?  Nope?
>
> EJ

Strange. For a liar, you sure have plenty of accurate information not posted
on this newsgroup.


--
"As far as homosexual bondage at the Holiday Inn make sure to bring plastic
so the management doesn't charge you for shit stained bedsheets".
 - Michael Ragland




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"Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
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> ... a collection of his more embarassing usenet posts will be forwarded
> to his neighbours in Richboro.
>
> EJ

Please send me a copy. Damn, I may start paying you for this stuff.

--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





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"Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
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> "sw"  wrote in message news:...
> > "david_michael"  wrote in message
> > news:b7fe1abc.0201161757.15ff376d@posting.google.com...
> >
> >
> > (deleted the usual meretricious crap posted by the therapist psycho, mr.
> > michael)
> >
> >
> > There are two kinds of people who post in ar:  those who hate Jews and
those
> > who don't.  You know who you are.
> >
> > sw
>
> I'm one of the ones who loves Jews.
>
> EJ

I have Jewish friends that I love dearly, but I can't love fake Jews like
Sara.

--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





From nicegoy@eudoramail.com Thu Jan 17 21:36:26 EST 2002
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"Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
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> Brian Blank  wrote in message
news:...
> > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:26:28 +0100 (CET),
> > CreedmoreChronicles@helferlein.net wrote:
> >
> > >From: ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson)
> > >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> > >Subject: 100% of Brian Blank's phone number
> > >Date: 14 Jan 2002 00:11:36 -0800
> > >
> > >
> > >Ewan - Kindly give us the rest of the numbers.
> > >Presumably it relates to an address in Portland/Salem,Oregon?
> >
> > And the reason that you would want the rest of the numbers is what
> > exactly?
>
> It is perfectly legimitate to resolve arguments over the telephone.
> Usenet is so impersonal and slow.  Much better to phone someone up
> and discuss your differences like a mature adult.
>
> EJ

Sara called Pat Blakely once. He said she got her feelings hurt and was in
tears before hanging up. LOL

--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





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"Vellicet"  wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Part 1: Communism Is in Effect: _THE GUARDIAN ANGEL OF JEWS
R_17
> >From: "Steve Chatman" nicegoy@eudoramail.com
> >Date: 18/01/02 10:53 AM AUS Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: 
> >
>
> >
> >>  It's a very strange Dictatorship indeed which destroys its own
spiritual
> >> beliefs.
> >
> >
> >Spelling corrections: practiced
> >Spelling corrections: practice
> >Spelling corrections: occurred
> >
> >
> >--
> >"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess,
he's
> >going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman
> >
> >"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
> >Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
> >with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman
> >
> >>
>
> Hey Donnie!  Still getting your rocks off reading someone elses fantasies?
You
> should pay royalties you poisened dwarf.
>
> SHOVE your spelling correxshones up yor big fat arss.
>

Spelling corrections: else's
Spelling corrections: poisoned
Spelling corrections: your
Spelling corrections: ass

--
In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial by
American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment by
parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.
>
> Jason James
>
>
>




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"Orac"  wrote in message
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> In article <636415e9.0201171759.68f8b27@posting.google.com>,
>  ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
>
> > ... a collection of his more embarassing usenet posts will be forwarded
> > to his neighbours in Richboro.
>
> What harrassment?
>
> Besides, from here, it looks to me that you ask for (and deserve) nearly
> every bit of abuse you get, regardless of the source, troll.


OK, nigger.


> --
> Orac        |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
>             |
>             |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
>             | inconvenience me with questions?"




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"sw"  wrote in message news:a280ms$fa$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
>
> "Steve Chatman"  wrote in message
> news:9pL18.18678$Xs4.3823776@feed.centurytel.net...
> >
> > "Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
> > news:636415e9.0201171752.1c93a525@posting.google.com...
> > > "sw"  wrote in message
news:...
> > > > "david_michael"  wrote in message
> > > > news:b7fe1abc.0201161757.15ff376d@posting.google.com...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > (deleted the usual meretricious crap posted by the therapist psycho,
> mr.
> > > > michael)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are two kinds of people who post in ar:  those who hate Jews
and
> > those
> > > > who don't.  You know who you are.
> > > >
> > > > sw
> > >
> > > I'm one of the ones who loves Jews.
> > >
> > > EJ
> >
> > I have Jewish friends that I love dearly, but I can't love fake Jews
like
> > Sara.
>
>
> You don't have ANY friends, Ellis, Jewish or gentile.


True, I am not friends with Ellis.

--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman



> sw
>
> >
>
>




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"Orac"  wrote in message
news:Orac-5E9DAF.21262317012002@news2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> In article <636415e9.0201171754.6fa457c@posting.google.com>,
>  ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
>
> > Orac  wrote in message
> > news:...
> > > In article <636415e9.0201151933.7e17db0e@posting.google.com>,
> > >  ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> > >
> > > > Brian Blank  wrote in message
> > > > news:<0ka94u08vgenmc28ck3c89rsu55eq7qgqr@4ax.com>...
>
> > > > > And if it were only a "wind-up" why did you give the number to Don
> > > > > Ellis?
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Ellis has a legitimate reason for wanting this number.
> > >
> > > Suuuuurrre he does. And Osama bin Laden will suddenly appear at the
U.N.
> > > and turn himself in.
> >
> > Don't you ever make phone calls, Dave?  There's nothing illegal about
> > phoning someone up.  And if Mr. Ellis wants to resolve any differences
> > he has with anyone, it's a lot more mature to phone them, than to
> > make silly usenet posts.
>
> I don't know which is more annoying, that you would try to pass off such
> an obviously dishonest explanation for why Ellis would want the number
> or that you think I'm so stupid that I would fall for such an obviously
> dishonest explanation.


Yes, you're a stupid nigger.
--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman



> --
> Orac        |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
>             |
>             |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
>             | inconvenience me with questions?"




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"Orac"  wrote in message
news:Orac-7A55EA.21332417012002@news2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> In article <%ML18.18787$Xs4.3825236@feed.centurytel.net>,
>  "Steve Chatman"  wrote:
>
> > "Orac"  wrote in message
> > news:Orac-D5F2AF.21281117012002@news2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > > In article <636415e9.0201171759.68f8b27@posting.google.com>,
> > >  ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> > >
> > > > ... a collection of his more embarassing usenet posts will be
forwarded
> > > > to his neighbours in Richboro.
> > >
> > > What harrassment?
> > >
> > > Besides, from here, it looks to me that you ask for (and deserve)
nearly
> > > every bit of abuse you get, regardless of the source, troll.
> >
> >
> > OK, nigger.
>
> So, Ewan, how do you like having a best bud like "Steve Chatman" on this
> newsgroup who likes to call anyone whom he doesn't like "nigger"?


So, Ewan, how do you like having Orac on this newsgroup who likes to call
anyone whom he doesn't like "troll"?


--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman


> --
> Orac        |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
>             |
>             |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
>             | inconvenience me with questions?"




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"Sara"  wrote in message
news:catamont-1E7E88.19404017012002@news.concentric.net...
> In article <6PL18.18799$Xs4.3825440@feed.centurytel.net>, "Steve
> Chatman"  wrote:
>
> > "sw"  wrote in message news:a280ms$fa$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> > >
> > > "Steve Chatman"  wrote in message
> > > news:9pL18.18678$Xs4.3823776@feed.centurytel.net...
> > > >
> > > > "Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
> > > > news:636415e9.0201171752.1c93a525@posting.google.com...
> > > > > "sw"  wrote in message
> > news:...
> > > > > > "david_michael"  wrote in message
> > > > > > news:b7fe1abc.0201161757.15ff376d@posting.google.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (deleted the usual meretricious crap posted by the therapist
> > > > > > psycho,
> > > mr.
> > > > > > michael)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are two kinds of people who post in ar:  those who hate
> > > > > > Jews
> > and
> > > > those
> > > > > > who don't.  You know who you are.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > sw
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm one of the ones who loves Jews.
> > > > >
> > > > > EJ
> > > >
> > > > I have Jewish friends that I love dearly, but I can't love fake Jews
> > like
> > > > Sara.
> > >
> > >
> > > You don't have ANY friends, Ellis, Jewish or gentile.
> >
> >
> > True, I am not friends with Ellis.
> >
> Which is a shame, since you have to look at him in the mirror every day.
>
> But self-loathing has always been a part of your life, hasn't it, Don?
>
> Sara


I bet every time you look in the mirror it makes even you puke.


--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman




> --
> "Americans have different ways of saying things. They say "elevator",
> we say "lift" ... they say "President", we say "stupid psychopathic git."
>        Alexai Sayle.




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"Kenneth McVay, OBC"  wrote in message
news:a282q9$1d9k$1@news.tht.net...
> In article ,
> Sara   wrote:
>
> [Ellis flushed down the ol' bradbury]
>
> >Which is a shame, since you have to look at him in the mirror every day.
> >
> >But self-loathing has always been a part of your life, hasn't it, Don?
>
> Donnie Ellis, the John Gotti of trailer trash.
>


Service station attendant Ken McVay, pedophile and child pornography kingpin
--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC
.



> --
>  "Irving's conclusions were completely untenable. I thought his
> scholarship was sloppy and unreliable and did not meet even the
> most basic requirements of honest and competent historical
> research."             (Richard Evans, Lying About Hitler, p.70)




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"Orac"  wrote in message
news:Orac-7EE479.22435217012002@news2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> In article ,
>  "Steve Chatman"  wrote:
>
> > "Orac"  wrote in message
> > news:Orac-7A55EA.21332417012002@news2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > > In article <%ML18.18787$Xs4.3825236@feed.centurytel.net>,
> > >  "Steve Chatman"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Orac"  wrote in message
> > > > news:Orac-D5F2AF.21281117012002@news2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
>
> > > > > Besides, from here, it looks to me that you ask for (and deserve)
> > nearly
> > > > > every bit of abuse you get, regardless of the source, troll.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OK, nigger.
> > >
> > > So, Ewan, how do you like having a best bud like "Steve Chatman" on
this
> > > newsgroup who likes to call anyone whom he doesn't like "nigger"?
> >
> >
> > So, Ewan, how do you like having Orac on this newsgroup who likes to
call
> > anyone whom he doesn't like "troll"?
>
> Not true. I don't like you, and I don't recall ever having called you a
> "troll." You are, however, a racist twit.


Not true. I have plenty of nigger friends.


--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC



> --
> Orac        |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
>             |
>             |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
>             | inconvenience me with questions?"




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"Susan Cohen"  wrote in message
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>
>
> Steve Chatman wrote:
>
> > I bet Sara's husband has a history of molesting children.
>
> And I bet your lawyer has warned you to state lies as
> your opnion rather than fact so as to avoid lawsuits and
> jail time. Nice to see you are teachable inat least that respect.
>

OK. Sara's husband has a history of molesting children.

That better?
--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





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"Sara"  wrote in message
news:catamont-B5FF92.21035317012002@news.concentric.net...
> In article , "Steve
> Chatman"  wrote:
>
> > "Orac"  wrote in message
> > news:Orac-7A55EA.21332417012002@news2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > > In article <%ML18.18787$Xs4.3825236@feed.centurytel.net>,
> > >  "Steve Chatman"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Orac"  wrote in message
> > > > news:Orac-D5F2AF.21281117012002@news2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > > > > In article <636415e9.0201171759.68f8b27@posting.google.com>,
> > > > >  ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ... a collection of his more embarassing usenet posts will be
> > forwarded
> > > > > > to his neighbours in Richboro.
> > > > >
> > > > > What harrassment?
> > > > >
> > > > > Besides, from here, it looks to me that you ask for (and deserve)
> > nearly
> > > > > every bit of abuse you get, regardless of the source, troll.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OK, nigger.
> > >
> > > So, Ewan, how do you like having a best bud like "Steve Chatman" on
this
> > > newsgroup who likes to call anyone whom he doesn't like "nigger"?
> >
> >
> > So, Ewan, how do you like having Orac on this newsgroup who likes to
call
> > anyone whom he doesn't like "troll"?
> >
>
> Don Ellis, of course, sees no qualitative difference between the word
> "troll" and the word "nigger."


At least someone agrees with me.


--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman




> Sara
>
> --
> "Americans have different ways of saying things. They say "elevator",
> we say "lift" ... they say "President", we say "stupid psychopathic git."
>        Alexai Sayle.




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From: "Ali Goldberg" 
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"Sara"  wrote in message
news:catamont-792029.21072717012002@news.concentric.net...
> In article , "Steve
> Chatman"  wrote:
>
> > "Susan Cohen"  wrote in message
> > news:3C479604.3ED1E424@hers.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve Chatman wrote:
> > >
> > > > I bet Sara's husband has a history of molesting children.
> > >
> > > And I bet your lawyer has warned you to state lies as
> > > your opnion rather than fact so as to avoid lawsuits and
> > > jail time. Nice to see you are teachable inat least that respect.
> > >
> >
> > OK. Sara's husband has a history of molesting children.
> >
> > That better?
> > --
>
> Yep. And it's an actionable lie.


Stop it fatty, you're scaring me. LOL


--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman




> Thanks.
>
> Sara
>
> --
> "Americans have different ways of saying things. They say "elevator",
> we say "lift" ... they say "President", we say "stupid psychopathic git."
>        Alexai Sayle.




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"Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
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> Sara  wrote in message
news:...
> > In article , Orac
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > In article ,
> > >  Orac  wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <636415e9.0201171436.36df32ee@posting.google.com>,
> > > >  ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sara  wrote in message
> > > > > news:...
> > > >
> > > > [Snip]
> > > >
> > > > > > If you have some "information," please do identify the "law
firm."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sara
> > > > >
> > > > > According to my sources, it was SPLC.
> > > >
> > > > The SPLC is not a law firm, Ewan. Do you even know what it is?
> > >
> > > Actually, my mistake; it is a law firm, but it's a nonprofit
> > > organization.
> >
> > Actually, Ewan Jackson thinks he is the only person who has ever trolled
> > anyone.
>
> Not at all.  You and Orac do an admirable job too.  Loved your 100+
> days of Pat Blakely threads.


Sara has the hots for Blakely.
--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman



> > He has no idea whether anything I told Susie (or that Susie forwarded to
> > "Pat Blakely") was accurate or not.
>
> Aha.
>
> EJ




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"Hilary Ostrov"  wrote in message
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> On 18 Jan 2002 07:18:42 GMT, in
> <20020118021842.24292.00002509@mb-mc.aol.com>, vellicet@aol.comzapspam
> (Vellicet) wrote:
>
> >>From: "SW" Adolf@Ach,it is so hot down here.com
> >>Date: 18/01/02 4:32 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time
> >>Message-id: 
>
> >>Sure is.  I'm having a hell of a lot of fun with gay, bald Screwy Ewie.
>
> >Its ok for you Steve, he's not one of yours,.....he's an embarrassment
for us.
> >Jason James
>
> Not to worry, Jason.  To balance the geographical embarrassment scale,
> Joe Bruno is an embarrassment for us.



You want to see embarrassment? Look in the mirror Hilary. You are one ugly
sonofabitch. LOL
--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman



> hro
> =====================
> Hilary Ostrov
> E-mail: hostrov@telus.net
> WWW: http://www3.telus.net/myssiwyg/
> The Nizkor Project  http://www.nizkor.org/




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"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
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> "Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
> news:636415e9.0201171743.2284d76f@posting.google.com...
> > Brian Blank  wrote in message
> news:...
> > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:26:28 +0100 (CET),
> > > CreedmoreChronicles@helferlein.net wrote:
> > >
> > > >From: ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson)
> > > >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> > > >Subject: 100% of Brian Blank's phone number
> > > >Date: 14 Jan 2002 00:11:36 -0800
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Ewan - Kindly give us the rest of the numbers.
> > > >Presumably it relates to an address in Portland/Salem,Oregon?
> > >
> > > And the reason that you would want the rest of the numbers is what
> > > exactly?
> >
> > It is perfectly legimitate to resolve arguments over the telephone.
> > Usenet is so impersonal and slow.  Much better to phone someone up
> > and discuss your differences like a mature adult.
>
> And the differences that Ellis would have with this person who is
> unknown to him would be what exactly?
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian Blank

Why don't you ask Ellis? You seem to know him so well.

--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





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"GassenBurnham"  wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Donnie Ellis screws up ... again
> >From: vellicet@aol.comzapspam  (Vellicet)
> >Date: 1/18/02 5:18 PM E. Australia Standard Time
> >Message-id: <20020118021842.24292.00002509@mb-mc.aol.com>
> >
> >>Subject: Re: Donnie Ellis screws up ... again
> >>From: "SW" Adolf@Ach,it is so hot down here.com
> >>Date: 18/01/02 4:32 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time
> >>Message-id: 
> >>
> >
> >>
> >>Sure is.  I'm having a hell of a lot of fun with gay, bald Screwy Ewie.
> >>
> >>sw
> >>
> >
> >Its ok for you Steve, he's not one of yours,.....he's an embarrassment
for
> >us.
> >Jason James
> >
>
> Who is 'us', Jewboy?


His homosexual friends.


> You are about as Australian as Ariel Sharon.
> "If I am killing a rat with a stick and have him in a corner, I am not
> indignant if he tries to bite me and squeals and gibbers with rage. My job
is
> to attend to my footwork and to keep on hitting him where it will do the
most
> good"   A. S. Lees




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"National Front88"  wrote in message
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> Subject: Re: To the Ken McVay Cultists
> From: John Morris John.Morris@UAlberta.CA
> Date: 1/16/2002 12:36 PM Pacific Standard Time
>
> National Front88 wrote:
>
> [red herrings snipped]
>
> If anyone can prove that the Revisionist position hasn't degenerated to a
> monotonous stream of sexual blackmail, please do so now.
>
> - --
>  John Morris                                
>  at University of Alberta  
>
> [Geek code snipped]
>
>        Now:  for some inexplicable reason, I cannot say that I dislike
you,
> John.  I suppose, perhaps, that for a Nizkor supporter, you are ostensibly
the
> most sane, stable and moral person among the McVay Cultists (and I now
believe
> it is cultish).  You even display a sense of humor at times.  With that
out of
> the way, what I posted was not even remotely close to a red herring.  My
> Interent dictionary says the following:
>
> Main Entry: red herring
> Function: noun
> Date: 15th century
> 1 : a herring cured by salting and slow smoking to a dark brown color
> 2 : [from the practice of drawing a red herring across a trail to confuse
> hunting dogs] : something that distracts attention from the real issue
>
>        Asking valid questions is not an attempt to distract people's
attention
> away from the real issue.  McVay's admission to viewing child porn on the
> Internet ***is*** the issue.  I'll post the entire definition of blackmail
> below, but this line from my Internet dictionary is of particular interest
> regarding blackmail: threats especially of public exposure or criminal
> prosecution.  I made no threats and I didn't expose him.  He made those
> admissions using his own free will.  By the way, tipping some of the news
> agencies as to what Nizkor's director said usually results with the reply,
> "What's a Nizkor?"  Obviously, those who make donations to Ken McVay
aren't
> getting much "bang" for their buck--something I used to admire him for--no
> fooling.
>
>        One might say that I am "weary" of seeing Nizkor's effectiveness
being
> blown out of proportion---all they do is generate mere words---unless one
> considers the occasional Holocaust Calendar posted to Usenet worth a
"donation"
> to McVay, but at least I can honestly claim I've never seen child
pornography
> on the Internet.  Come to think of it, why did McVay insert that
remarkable
> statement out of the blue?
>
>        Relax, John. McVay will probably escape formal criminal prosecution
as
> whatever child pornography was on his computer is now loooong gone (cached
or
> otherwise).  McVay might escape being prosecuted, but just look at the
type of
> people who were/are McVay Cultists:
>
>        Scott Murphy is exposed as a necrophiliac and creating a Web site
> containing bizarre photographs of animals in anthropomorphic poses of
bondage,
> domination, submission and sadomasochistic positions.  Sara Salzman is
exposed
> as a masochist; posts she made regarding her Master, fisting in a "duck"
> position, being whipped, caned, paddled and other acts of sexual deviancy,
are
> deleted by her.  Then, in an obvious attempt to rehabilitate her
reputation,
> Salzman switches tactics by trying to claim this is normal behavior
between two
> loving people, and others her Master has had her play with.  Need I
mention
> Edeiken and all of the others?  Character does matter, unless you don't
know
> what the definition of the word "is" is.  You know that what I am saying
is
> true and you know that I am right.
>
>  black∑mail:
> Pronunciation: 'blak-"mAl
> Function: noun
> Etymology: black + [1]mail
> Date: 1552
> 1 : a tribute anciently exacted on the Scottish border by freebooting
chiefs
> for immunity from pillage
> 2 a : extortion or coercion by threats especially of public exposure or
> criminal prosecution b : the payment that is extorted
> - blackmail transitive verb
>
> Never forget:
>
> cult:
> Pronunciation: 'k<
> Function: noun
> Usage:  often attributive
> Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care,
adoration,
> from colere to cultivate
> Date: 1617
> 1 : formal religious veneration : Worship
> 2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
> 3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of
adherents
>
> 4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its
> promulgator 
> 5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a
film or
> book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual
fad b
> : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
> - cult∑like /-"lIk/ adjective
>
>
> National Front88
> ---
>

Well done!


>
> "I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
> going to whip my breasts." --Sara "The Fist" Salzman




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"KCOM"  wrote in message
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>
>
> "Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
> news:636415e9.0201171759.68f8b27@posting.google.com...
> > ... a collection of his more embarassing usenet posts will be forwarded
> > to his neighbours in Richboro.
> >
> > EJ
>
> I wouldn't be worried about what happens to Mr. Wolk if I were you.... You
> should be worried about what I'm going to do to you...
>
> Steve
>
>

Ewan, looks like stevie wants to rape you.


--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





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"National Front88"  wrote in message
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> Subject: Re: ****KEN MCVAY IS LIED ABOUT****
> From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org  (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
> Date: 1/16/2002 5:46 PM Pacific Standard Time
>
> tyler   wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>
> >According to the posts McVay has admitted to:
> >1)  viewing pictures of naked children on many occasions,
>
>
> Sorry, Bubba, but I've never said that.
> The ol' reading comprehension problem's giving you fits again, eh?
>
> -----------
>
>        This is a clear example of Ken McVay parsing his words oh-so
carefully.
> He's actually telling a "technical truth" similar to former President
Clinton
> did when he said, "I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinski,
not one
> time."  Technically true, Clinton did several times.  McVay can deny that
he
> said (as opposed to making an admission as Tyler pointed out), "...viewing
> pictures of naked children on many occasions," and he's telling the truth
here
> as he never made that very specific statement.  Here's the entire
paragraph as
> to what he said (the full interview can be found at
> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html ) below:
>
>
> "Perhaps one thing that I should note, because authors often
sensationalize the
> hatemongering on the Net, is that, for all their vitriol, these people are
only
> a tiny handful of the 30-40 million users on the Internet. I am weary of
seeing
> their activities blown out of proportion, as I am weary of seeing the
issue of
> "child porn" blown out of proportion (I've been on and around the Net
since
> 1988, and have yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen
> photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in my family
photo
> album, and fail to see the harm, or any great moral danger to our
society)."
>
>
>        End of complete quote.  McVay and his Cultists cannot claim this is
> taken out of context.  If they do, they are in a state of denial.  Heck,
for
> the entire interview, see the above URL, I encourage you to read it).
>
>        Now, pay attention, folks.  McVay is writing about (this interview
was
> conducted via e-mail over a period of several weeks) the ***Internet***,
then
> begins discussing child pornography by writing, "I've seen photos of naked
> children, but"  He didn't write that he has seen
photos
> (stay with me, we're still talking about the Web) of naked children
***AND***
> he's seen them, "in my family photo album..." No!  What he wrote was
(still
> talking about the Internet) he's seen photos of naked children, ***BUT***
(he's
> separating the Internet from his family photo album here), "then [he's]
got
> some of those in [his] family photo album..."  Translation:  Ken McVay has
seen
> naked pictures of children (not babies) on the Internet. Period.
>
>        Whew, I'm beginning to know how Ken Starr felt.  McVay can claim he
> never SAID those things (the entire interview, really) since it was
conducted
> via e-mail.  McVay TYPED this, "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child
porn"
> blown out of proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and
have
> yet to come across anything I'd consider 'child porn.'"  Translation:
McVay
> has viewed "kiddie porn" on the Internet, but doesn't consider it to be
> pornography.  Additionally, I don't think that the issue of child
pornography
> ***CAN*** be blown out of proportion.  Even convicted dirtbags (bank
robbers,
> murderers, et al.) rotting in prisons take a very, very dim view of such
> things, and yet McVay's morals are lower than that of a convicted
murderer?
> Who wants to defend him now?
>
>        That is pure insanity and it is sick.  McVay is an unconvicted
criminal
> and here's a photograph (on the Internet, not a family album) of the man
who
> wrote those words:
> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>
> Parse:   to examine in a minute way
>
>          Is there anybody out there who ***does*** think viewing child
> pornography on the Internet can be blown out of proportions?  No, unlike
McVay,
> you don't get to decide what is, and what isn't, child pornography.
Viewing
> naked children (not babies in a family album) posted to the Internet is as
> about as low as you can go.
>
> NF88


It is very clear that McVay believes defending dead people of the holocaust
is more important than saving LIVE children from pedophiles. Of course McVay
could be in a self-defense mode protecting his personal freedom of viewing
and enjoying child pornography. McVay's self-defense is mirrored by members
of NAMBLA. Many of us here know for a fact that McVay is a draft dodger and
a active homosexual. Draft dodgers are know cowards and homosexuals have
strong sexual urges for young children. McVay's loudest cheerleader, Sara
Salzman, quickly runs to his defense. Why? Because she allows Cougar to have
a sexual relationship with her own children. It's a damn good thing for them
that the people they defend can't speak.

--
In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial by
American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment by
parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.
> ---
>
> "I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
> going to whip my breasts." --Sara "The Fist" Salzman




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"Vellicet"  wrote in message
news:20020118100621.07398.00002506@mb-fq.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: Donnie Ellis screws up ... again
> >From: Hilary Ostrov hostrov@telus.net
> >Date: 18/01/02 6:32 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: 
> >
> >On 18 Jan 2002 07:18:42 GMT, in
> ><20020118021842.24292.00002509@mb-mc.aol.com>, vellicet@aol.comzapspam
> >(Vellicet) wrote:
> >
> >>>From: "SW" Adolf@Ach,it is so hot down here.com
> >>>Date: 18/01/02 4:32 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time
> >>>Message-id: 
> >
> >>>Sure is.  I'm having a hell of a lot of fun with gay, bald Screwy Ewie.
> >
> >>Its ok for you Steve, he's not one of yours,.....he's an embarrassment
for
> >us.
> >>Jason James
> >
> >Not to worry, Jason.  To balance the geographical embarrassment scale,
> >Joe Bruno is an embarrassment for us.
> >
> >hro
>
>  I was thinking more about the fact that of the 3 regular posters (altho
EJ is
> barely regular), 2 are complete fucknuts.
>
> As to what exactly, EJ is up to, I can only wonder. For sure tho he's
making us
> look bad Hilary.
>
>
> Jason James
>
>
You hit the wrong reply button. LOL

So you admit EJ is kicking your ass. LOL


--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





From nicegoy@eudoramail.com Fri Jan 18 15:00:09 EST 2002
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"Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
news:636415e9.0201180707.1e8e1b37@posting.google.com...
> Orac  wrote in message
news:...
> > In article ,
> >  "M. L. Davis"  wrote:


> Care to refute that your murder rate in the US is 5.8 per 100,000
> compared to our 1.8 per 100,000.


No. You don't have the niggers we have. Let us ship them to your country and
watch your murder rate triple.


> Guns kill.  100% fact.  Anybody who denies this is a fucking moron.
>
> EJ




From nicegoy@eudoramail.com Fri Jan 18 15:00:09 EST 2002
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"Vellicet"  wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: ****KEN MCVAY IS LIED ABOUT****
> >From: nationalfront88@aol.comNoHebes  (National Front88)
> >Date: 19/01/02 12:33 AM AUS Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <20020118083352.16055.00001772@mb-fz.aol.com>
> >
> >Subject: Re: ****KEN MCVAY IS LIED ABOUT****
> >From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org  (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
> >Date: 1/16/2002 5:46 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >
> >t
>
> >
> >       End of complete quote.  McVay and his Cultists cannot claim this
is
> >taken out of context.  If they do, they are in a state of denial.  Heck,
for
> >the entire interview, see the above URL, I encourage you to read it).
> >
> Have done so.
>
>
> >       Now, pay attention, folks.  McVay is writing about (this interview
was
> >conducted via e-mail over a period of several weeks) the ***Internet***,
then
> >begins discussing child pornography by writing, "I've seen photos of
naked
> >children, but"  He didn't write that he has seen
photos
> >(stay with me, we're still talking about the Web) of naked children
***AND***
> >he's seen them, "in my family photo album..." No!  What he wrote was
(still
> >talking about the Internet) he's seen photos of naked children, ***BUT***
> >(he's
> >separating the Internet from his family photo album here), "then [he's]
got
> >some of those in [his] family photo album..."  Translation:  Ken McVay
has
> >seen
> >naked pictures of children (not babies) on the Internet. Period.
>
> In context, the remark is about the Net. He has seen pictures on the net,
but
> did he want to see them? Did he, out of curiousity pursue them in an
attempt to
> make a value judgement on press hype about porn on the Net?  In either
case,
> there is a nogo wrt your charges.  The weight of evidence leans
conclusively
> towards Ken trying to protect the Net, something he values a lot, by
saying
> I've seen pictures....on the net, and they are a non event.
> If you disagree with his technique, and conclusions, that's your
prerogative,
> but to label him a seeker of porno for gratiuitous reasons is a theme you
> introduced, unsupported by his comments in the interview.
>


Spelling corrections: curiosity
Spelling corrections: judgment
Spelling corrections: writ
Spelling corrections: gratuitous


--
As to what exactly, EJ is up to, I can only wonder. For sure tho he's making
us look bad Hilary. -  Jason James



>
>
> >
> >       Whew, I'm beginning to know how Ken Starr felt.  McVay can claim
he
> >never SAID those things (the entire interview, really) since it was
conducted
> >via e-mail.  McVay TYPED this, "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child
> >porn"
> >blown out of proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and
have
> >yet to come across anything I'd consider 'child porn.'"  Translation:
McVay
> >has viewed "kiddie porn" on the Internet, but doesn't consider it to be
> >pornography.  Additionally, I don't think that the issue of child
pornography
> >***CAN*** be blown out of proportion.  Even convicted dirtbags (bank
robbers,
> >murderers, et al.) rotting in prisons take a very, very dim view of such
> >things, and yet McVay's morals are lower than that of a convicted
murderer?
> >Who wants to defend him now?
> >
> >       That is pure insanity and it is sick.  McVay is an unconvicted
> >criminal
> >and here's a photograph (on the Internet, not a family album) of the man
who
> >wrote those words:
> >http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
> >
> >Parse:   to examine in a minute way
> >
> >         Is there anybody out there who ***does*** think viewing child
> >pornography on the Internet can be blown out of proportions?  No, unlike
> >McVay,
> >you don't get to decide what is, and what isn't, child pornography.
Viewing
> >naked children (not babies in a family album) posted to the Internet is
as
> >about as low as you can go.
> >
> >NF88
> >---
> >
> >"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess,
he's
> >going to whip my breasts." --Sara "The Fist" Salzman
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Jason James
>
>
>




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"Sara"  wrote in message
news:catamont-650819.09411718012002@news.concentric.net...
> In article , "Bubba"
>  wrote:
>
> > "Susan Cohen"  schreef in bericht
> > news:3C47A0FF.A3DACD5E@hers.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > _ - _- wrote:
> > >
> > > > E-Mailed to:
> > > > abuse@concentric.net
> > > > noc@HIS.COM, abuse@his.com
> > > >
> > > > On 17 Jan 2002 18:04:55 GMT,
> > > >  Sara
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Path: mindspring!news.mindspring.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!
> > > > >news.gtei.net!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!
> > > > >newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!
> > > > >newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master
> > > > >From: Sara 
> > > > >Newsgroups:
alt.revisionism,alt.sex.bondage,alt.torture,alt.sadistic
> > > > >Subject: Re: Sara Salzman's  [delete lie]
> > > > >Date: 17 Jan 2002 18:04:55 GMT
> > > > >Organization: Concentric Internet Services
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> > > > >Message-ID: 
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> > > > >
> > <3C46FD39.A54FAEC7@hers.com>
> > > > >NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.177.56.26
> > > > >User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC)
> > > > >Xref: mindspring alt.revisionism:1253587 alt.sex.bondage:641495
> > > > >alt.torture:91112 alt.sadistic:38748
> > > > >
> > > > >In article <3C46FD39.A54FAEC7@hers.com>, flavia@his.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Bubba wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Pedophiles must be tortured til they die as slowly and
painfully
> > > > >> > as
> > > > >> > possible. I disgust those people.
> > > > :
> > > > >> So kill Scotty Bradbury - it's all his fabrication
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Susan
> > > > :
> > > > >Absolutely. I couldn't agree more.
> > > > >
> > > > >Why Mr. Bradbury continues to spam alt.sex.bondage and other groups
> > > > >is
> > > > >beyond me. He's not going to get any support there, especially
since
> > > > >he
> > > > >is lying about everything Cougar said.
> > > > >
> > > > >Sara
> > > >
> > > > Got you documented as being an accessory to a direct death threat
> > > > Sara!
> > >
> > > So turn us both over to the FBI.
> > > I demand that you do so.
> > >
> > > That is, when you're finished labelling two seperate posts with the
> > > same Message ID as you do when you insistthat some guy is Saras's
> > > ]husband.
> > >
> > > Oh, and make sure that you turn in the guy who originally called for
> > > your death *&* yourself - after all, we were all talking about
> > > pedophiles,
> > > and you  therefore admitted that you are one.
> > >
> >
> > > Susan
> > >
> > I agree with Susan on this issue, and take full responsibility for what
I
> > wrote.
> > It is still my opinion that people who abuse children must be brought to
> > death in a horrific manner.
> > So bring me to justice for this opinion whoever you are, mr. Bradbury
> >
> >
>
> Thank you for admitting you misunderstood Mr. Bradbury's intentions.
>
> They are, quite simply, to slander and defame anyone who disagrees with
> him. There is a great deal of information (previously posted in
> alt.revisionism), showing that the person he is currently trying to
> defame has spoken out against any kind of sex with children.
>
> Mr. Bradbury, however, continues to post out-of-context and bald-faced
> lies to further his racist and anti-Semitic agenda.
>
> De Mazal,
>
> Sara
>

Why don't you tell Bubba how you allowed Cougar to abuse and molest your own
children.
--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





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"Vellicet"  wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Donnie Ellis screws up ... again
> >From: "Ali Goldberg" nicegoy@eudoramail.com
> >Date: 19/01/02 2:57 AM AUS Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <3vX18.19940$Xs4.3878203@feed.centurytel.net>
> >
>
> >
> >You hit the wrong reply button. LOL
> >
> >So you admit EJ is kicking your ass. LOL
> >
>
> No. Making Aussies look bad,..moron.
>
>
>
> Jason James
>
>

--
As to what exactly, EJ is up to, I can only wonder. For sure tho he's making
us look bad Hilary. -  Jason James





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"Kenneth McVay, OBC"  wrote in message
news:a29uc4$1u3c$1@news.tht.net...
> In article ,
> Rev T. N. Nurse  wrote:
> >In article <4f8af551.0201180740.5ad86413@posting.google.com>,
> >brianewallace@hotmail.com (brian wallace) wrote:
>
> >> Hitler didn't want to fight Britain. He'd said that the British Empire
> >> was a necessary bulwark of order in the world and that Germany should
> >> defend the British Empire if it were threatened. Winston Churchill
> >> left Germany with no choice after it began a program of bombing German
> >> cities.
> >
> >After Germany bombed London during the Battle of Britain.
>
> Guernica
> Rotterdam
> Warsaw
>
>
> ... don't you just love watching these maroons dig up creative excuses
> for anything and everything Hitler did?


...don't it just make you sick how Ken McVay worries about a dead man and
digs up excuses to support his viewing of child pornography.

--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC



> --
> "In the final analysis, one does not refute a closed system, a total
> lie that is not refutable to the extent that its conclusions has
> preceded any evidence." (Vidal-Naquet, Pierre. Assassins of Memory,
> New York: Columbia University Press. p.81)




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"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
news:ik3h4uc56hvjoi2tlo2jakrc767m3ffc92@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:19:17 -0600, "Ali Goldberg"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
> >news:p56g4u8lpegisn13jklqgg1daipvmjeb2p@4ax.com...
> >> "Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
> >> news:636415e9.0201171743.2284d76f@posting.google.com...
> >> > Brian Blank  wrote in message
> >> news:...
> >> > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:26:28 +0100 (CET),
> >> > > CreedmoreChronicles@helferlein.net wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >From: ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson)
> >> > > >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> >> > > >Subject: 100% of Brian Blank's phone number
> >> > > >Date: 14 Jan 2002 00:11:36 -0800
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Ewan - Kindly give us the rest of the numbers.
> >> > > >Presumably it relates to an address in Portland/Salem,Oregon?
> >> > >
> >> > > And the reason that you would want the rest of the numbers is what
> >> > > exactly?
> >> >
> >> > It is perfectly legimitate to resolve arguments over the telephone.
> >> > Usenet is so impersonal and slow.  Much better to phone someone up
> >> > and discuss your differences like a mature adult.
> >>
> >> And the differences that Ellis would have with this person who is
> >> unknown to him would be what exactly?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Brian Blank
> >
> >Why don't you ask Ellis? You seem to know him so well.
>
> I don't know you at all. I assumed that when Jerome said " It is
> perfectly legitimate to resolve arguments over the telephone.
> Usenet is so impersonal and slow.  Much better to phone someone up
> and discuss your differences like a mature adult" that he actually
> knew what these differences were.
>
> By the way, for you to pretend that you are not Don Ellis is totally
> laughable. Your postings have a certain style (simplistic, void of
> argument, aggressive and hateful) that make identification so easy.


What changed your mind? Went I called you last night (mr. please don't call
me any more), you wasn't so damn sure.
--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman



> Have you consulted a therapist about this weird tendency you have to
> speak about yourself in the third person?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian Blank




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"david_michael"  wrote in message
news:3c3ea383@212.67.96.135...
> The revelations about Ms Salzman's literary works, together with the
earlier
> revelation about Mr Scot Murphy's contribution to necrophiliac newsgroups
> and Mr Ragland's post in which he outlined, in some detail, together with
> the recent expansion of Googles Usenet archive database back to the 1980s
> inspired me to do a little research. From what I know about Ken McVay's
> personality (and I am a psychologist so I have a little insight into these
> things) I just had a hunch that if I looked hard enough then I would find
.
> . .
>
> Sure enough . . .
>
> 
> From: kmcvay@oneb (Ken McVay)
> Newsgroups: alt.sex
> Subject: Erotic Lit. (was Re: sex ves. violence)
> Message-ID: <2686f4a0-2.6alt.sex-1@oneb>
> Date: 26 Jun 90 06:52:07 GMT
> References: <137507@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <9655.26835370@amherst.bitnet>
> Lines: 8
> Posted: Tue Jun 26 07:52:07 1990
>
>
> >> restrictions are generally in force anyway.  Aside from pornography
> >> being deadly dull, it doesn't bother me.
>
> I once enjoyed an exception to the 'deadly dull' rule - a delightful movie
> entitled 'Alice in Wonderland' which bore an, er, superficial resemblance
to
> another movie of the same name....I've been trying to find a copy for
years,
> or at least to rent one....last time I viewed it was around 1983....
>
> Bring on the Dancing Nurses! :-)
> 
>
>
>

Strange how these so called Jews run to defend McVay. It makes one wonder if
their religion is nothing more than a cover up.
--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





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"Vellicet"  wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: The MORONIC 'Jewish led Bolshevism canard' (Tavish &Co)
> >From: debunks@aol.com  (Debunks)
> >Date: 19/01/02 10:43 AM AUS Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <20020118184358.16055.00001828@mb-fz.aol.com>
> >
> >>Subject: The MORONIC 'Jewish led Bolshevism canard' (Tavish &Co)
> >>From: vellicet@aol.comzapspam  (Vellicet)
> >>Date: 1/18/02 3:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >>Message-id: <20020118180906.24247.00002500@mb-mc.aol.com>
> >>
> >
> >snip
> >
> >I have not read through any of these threads, but let's be honest:
Jewish
> >involvement and attraction to Communism is a proven fact.  Not all Jews
were
> >communists, but Jews were predominately involved in the leadership of the
> >Communist movement, just as Germans were predominately involved in the
Nazi
> >movement.  The youth of Germany and Italy were seduced into acceptance of
> >totalitarian creeds and Jewish youths in Europe were similarly seduced
into
> >acceptance of Communism.
> >
> >These are verifiable historical facts.
> >
> >But let's narrow this down even further: there is no set rule here, other
> >than
> >speaking "in general."
>
>  Sure the Jews were attracted to the socialist theme, it carried with it
some
> hope of being accepted. However, to try and pass off the idea that a
> 'predominance' of Jews in the echalon of communist power would turn
traitor and
> all but destroy Judaism in 'their' new country is absurd.


Spelling correction: echelon


--
As to what exactly, EJ is up to, I can only wonder. For sure tho he's making
us look bad Hilary. -  Jason James




>
> Jason James
>
>
>




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"Kenneth McVay, OBC"  wrote in message
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You still whacking off to child pornography?


--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





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"Kenneth McVay, OBC"  wrote in message
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Better delete the child pornography from your computer. hurry....


--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





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 wrote in message
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> On 17 Jan 2002 21:23:28 -0800, ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan
> Jackson) wrote:
>


Looks like Ewan is doing something right.


--
As to what exactly, EJ is up to, I can only wonder. For sure tho he's making
us look bad Hilary. -  Jason James





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"_ - _-"  wrote in
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> On 18 Jan 2002 12:43:18 -0800,
<309fb4ba.0201181243.73ff6d50@posting.google.com>
> blackpower41@hotmail.com (Blackpower) wrote:
>
> >CLANDESTINE OPS AND PONTIFF MAXIMUS THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE FUCKER.
> >LEAVE NOW OR YOUR ADDRESS AND NEIGHBORS ADDRESSES GET POSTED. GET THE
> >FUCK OUT NOW. YOU FUCKED WITH THE WRONG PEOPLE TIME TO PAY
> >
> >POWER TO THE PEOPLE
>
> What's wrong? Is he posting stuff you can't refute and you feel inadequate
> knowing you're hopelessly stupid so now you have to resort to such? Sooner
or
> later someone will be posting who you are and where you live. It always
happens
> that people who do such as you do get back what they dished out.
>
> Doc Tavish
>

It reminds me of sara salzman.
--
In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial by
American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment by
parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.




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"M. L. Davis"  wrote in message
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>
> EWAN JACKSON:  FOOL OR LIAR???
>
> BOTH.
>
> -*MORT*-
>
>

Ewan must have really pissed you off. Or are you sexually attracted to him?
--
As to what exactly, EJ is up to, I can only wonder. For sure tho he's making
us look bad Hilary. -  Jason James





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"Paul Kneisel"  wrote in message
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It is very clear that McVay believes defending dead people of the holocaust
is more important than saving LIVE children from pedophiles. Of course McVay
could be in a self-defense mode protecting his personal freedom of viewing
and enjoying child pornography. McVay's self-defense is mirrored by members
of NAMBLA. Many of us here know for a fact that McVay is a draft dodger and
a active homosexual. Draft dodgers are know cowards and homosexuals have
strong sexual urges for young children. McVay's loudest cheerleader, Sara
Salzman, quickly runs to his defense. Why? Because she allows Cougar to have
a sexual relationship with her own children. It's a damn good thing for them
that the people they defend can't speak.

--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





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"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
news:3C48E9A3.56A3400C@sympatico.ca...
>
> Ali Goldberg wrote:
> >
> > "Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
> > news:636415e9.0201172130.3724a5be@posting.google.com...
> > > Sara  wrote in message
> > news:...
> > > > In article ,
Orac
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In article ,
> > > > >  Orac  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In article <636415e9.0201171436.36df32ee@posting.google.com>,
> > > > > >  ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sara  wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Snip]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you have some "information," please do identify the "law
> > firm."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sara
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > According to my sources, it was SPLC.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The SPLC is not a law firm, Ewan. Do you even know what it is?
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, my mistake; it is a law firm, but it's a nonprofit
> > > > > organization.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, Ewan Jackson thinks he is the only person who has ever
trolled
> > > > anyone.
> > >
> > > Not at all.  You and Orac do an admirable job too.  Loved your 100+
> > > days of Pat Blakely threads.
> >
> > Sara has the hots for Blakely.
>
> Don Ellis has the hots for men eating each other's shit.


Why don't call ellis and tell him this. Coward
--
And here again are the questions you still haven't answered:

Do you unreservedly condemn the Allied terror bombing of civilians in
Dresden, Hamburg,
Tokyo, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the latter two cases involving nuclear
weapons? Yes or
no, McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the Israeli killing of Palestinian civilians?
Yes or no,
McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the US terror policies against the civilian
population of
Iraq -- policies that are resulting in tens of thousands of deaths? Yes or
no, McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the massive American bombing of infrastructure
in
Afghanistan -- a Third World country on the brink of starvation -- just
before winter; a
policy that can only bring about thousands, if not millions, of civilian
deaths? Yes or
no, McFee?

If not, what the f*** right do you have to condemn the attacks on the World
Trade
Center?



> --
> Gord McFee
> I'll write no line before its time




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"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
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--
And here again are the questions you still haven't answered:

Do you unreservedly condemn the Allied terror bombing of civilians in
Dresden, Hamburg,
Tokyo, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the latter two cases involving nuclear
weapons? Yes or
no, McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the Israeli killing of Palestinian civilians?
Yes or no,
McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the US terror policies against the civilian
population of
Iraq -- policies that are resulting in tens of thousands of deaths? Yes or
no, McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the massive American bombing of infrastructure
in
Afghanistan -- a Third World country on the brink of starvation -- just
before winter; a
policy that can only bring about thousands, if not millions, of civilian
deaths? Yes or
no, McFee?

If not, what the f*** right do you have to condemn the attacks on the World
Trade
Center?





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"Debunks"  wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: The Jews Never ask why?
> >From: Hilary Ostrov hostrov@telus.net
> >Date: 1/18/02 9:03 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: 
> >
> >On 18 Jan 2002 22:27:03 GMT, in
> ><20020118172703.08095.00003700@mb-fi.aol.com>, debunks@aol.com
> >(Debunks) on yet another of of his typical snip 'n runs:
> >
> >>>Subject: Re: The Jews Never ask why?
> >>>From: Hilary Ostrov hostrov@telus.net
> >>>Date: 1/17/02 8:47 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >>>Message-id: <881f4u4o4uf6j58l3kel62icm0m5cbv238@4ax.com>
> >>>
> >>>On 17 Jan 2002 10:18:51 GMT, in
> >>><20020117051851.18285.00000417@mb-fq.aol.com>, debunks@aol.com
> >>>(Debunks) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>From: Hilary Ostrov hostrov@telus.net
> >>>>>Date: 1/16/02 11:44 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >>>>>Message-id: 
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:16:33 GMT, in
> >>>>>, William Daffer
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>debunks@aol.com (Debunks) writes:
> >>>>>[...]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> >> Does anyone want to discuss the Damascus case as presented by
> >Kertzer
> >>>>>now?
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >  Make your case, Joe. What do you have to say?
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >  Be direct. Use declarative sentences.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Do you have Kertzer's book in hand?  My intention is to discuss
> >>>>>>> *his* version of this event.  Are you an authority of some type on
> >>>>>>> the Damascus case?  Do you have all the published facts on hand?
If
> >>>>>>> so, then I suppose we can discuss it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>  And I'm asking you to present your case.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  You do have a case, don't you?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I very much doubt that he has one
> >>>>
> >>>>You have had more than enough opportunities to call me on it recently,
> >>>haven't
> >>>>you?
> >>>
> >>>I have certainly called you on your failure to provide any substantive
> >>>criticisms of Kertzer's work.
> >>>
> >>>>>Notwithstanding an agreement that
> >>>>>he will provide verbatim quotes and page numbers of the text in
> >>>>>question (as well as full citations of the sources on which he relies
> >>>>>for refutation), he has already performed his ritual blanket
dismissal
> >>>>>of Kertzer's work:
> >>>>
> >>>>In fact, I have already posted pages and Chapter titles.
> >>>
> >>>Perhaps you have.  But none that I've seen that would in any way
> >>>substantiate:
> >>>
> >>>>>"Gross ignorance throughout" was his claim [12 Jan 2002 23:35:16
> >>>>
> >>>>And now that I have read it in its entirety I can confirm that
original
> >>>>assessment was correct.  It is indeed 'gross ignorance throughout."
> >>>
> >>>Because Bellinger Says So.
> >
> >>We can continue to discuss other chapters if you like.
> >
> >Do tell how discussion of any r chapters will ameliorate your reliance
> >on the  method of "refutation".
>
> So far it has only taken one to prove the man you recommended to us is a
> buffoon.
> We can discuss any and all other chapters if you want me to continue to
rub it
> in.
>
>
> >
> >>>>>To add empty ad hominem to baseless insult he had further
> >>>>>expostulated:
>
> >>>>>"Are you sure he didn't collaborate with Mel Brooks on this project?
> >>>>
> >>>>Yes, I said it, and reaffirm it.
> >>
>
> >>>>>Needless to say, he has not provided any examples from Kertzer's _The
> >>>>>Popes Against the Jews:
> >>>
> >>>And he still hasn't
> >
> >And he still hasn't.
>
> Oh, I think I have.
>
> >
> >>>
> >>>>>Kertzer provides a meticulous examination of the Vatican's role in
the
> >>>>>Damascus blood libel case.
> >>>>
> >>>> Good.  Let's proceed.
>
> >
> >>Wait.  [...]
> >
> >Oh, I'll certainly wait.  Probably till *long* after hell freezes over
> >before Bellinger will provide any evidence to substantiate his
> >assertion that Tommaso was "obviously dead".
> >
>
> That was done yesterday, silly goose.  And you're left looking the fool
over it
> too.  I suppose it was only inevitable that you and Mathews would be the
only
> people stupid enough to try and argue the case.  Hey, look at it this way:
> you're at least good for a laugh or two, and that is more than can be said
> about some of your clone pals.

Did you mean: ugly goose



--
As to what exactly, EJ is up to, I can only wonder. For sure tho he's making
us look bad Hilary. -  Jason James





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"WorldWideInfo" 
wrote in message news:bi9i4ucvnjhnq51hask715f36qkk4l59mr@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 05:58:58 GMT, <3C490B27.9004F661@asdaf.com> —r–* ` Ň
>  wrote:
>
> >The basic rule is, kiddie porn is criminal.  Go to jail and get fucked in
the
> >ass.


Tell that to McVay.



> >If the girl is an adult, 18 or 21 years old, whip her pussy untill it
bleeds or
> >other nasty stuff.
> >
> >Finis.
>
> Quit talking that way. You're going to get Sara "The Fist" Salzman all hot
and
> bothered. She fantasizes about getting lashings.


She sure does.



> Doc Tavish
>
> --
> "I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
> going to whip my breasts. ... First a gentle tapping, soft touch, as he
marks
> the place the cane will fall. I brace myself, plead with myself to hold
> position, knowing each stroke brings a fire hotter than any flame.
> Five strokes. Six. I have not moved. As the pain from each begins
> to subside, a soft, half-sob. "Thank you, Master."
> Eight. Nine. My knees give out, and I fall to the bed, sobbing. But
> immediately back on my knees again. "Thank you, Master."
> Ten. I am aware of nothing, save the pain. And his voice, as I am
> commanded to orgasm, not from stimulation, not from his fingers or his
> cock, but from pain alone."  -- Sara "The Fist" Salzman having a perverted
> fantasy in 
> -From: sschwartz@infinet.com
> -Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> -Subject: My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem)
> -Date: Sun, 05 Feb 1995 14:49:12 -0500
> -Message-ID: 
>
>
>
>
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"SW"  wrote in message
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>
> Kelton Speers  wrote in message
> news:Oo%18.19971$Xs4.3897147@feed.centurytel.net...
> >
> > "Kenneth McVay, OBC"  wrote in message
> > news:a29uc4$1u3c$1@news.tht.net...
> > > In article ,
> > > Rev T. N. Nurse  wrote:
> > > >In article <4f8af551.0201180740.5ad86413@posting.google.com>,
> > > >brianewallace@hotmail.com (brian wallace) wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Hitler didn't want to fight Britain. He'd said that the British
> Empire
> > > >> was a necessary bulwark of order in the world and that Germany
should
> > > >> defend the British Empire if it were threatened. Winston Churchill
> > > >> left Germany with no choice after it began a program of bombing
> German
> > > >> cities.
> > > >
> > > >After Germany bombed London during the Battle of Britain.
> > >
> > > Guernica
> > > Rotterdam
> > > Warsaw
> > >
> > >
> > > ... don't you just love watching these maroons dig up creative excuses
> > > for anything and everything Hitler did?
> >
> >
> > ...don't it just make you sick how Ken McVay worries about a dead man
and
> > digs up excuses to support his viewing of child pornography.
>
>
>
> What makes me sick is the coprophagic asshole, Don Ellis.  Oh, that's you,
> Don.  Hi!
>
> sw
>
>
Really? Where is your proof?
--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





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"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
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> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:58:08 -0600, "Kelton Speers"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> >"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
> >news:3C48E9A3.56A3400C@sympatico.ca...
> >>
> >> Ali Goldberg wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
> >> > news:636415e9.0201172130.3724a5be@posting.google.com...
> >> > > Sara  wrote in message
> >> > news:...
> >> > > > In article ,
> >Orac
> >> > > >  wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > In article
,
> >> > > > >  Orac  wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > In article <636415e9.0201171436.36df32ee@posting.google.com>,
> >> > > > > >  ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Sara  wrote in message
> >> > > > > > >
news:...
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > [Snip]
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > If you have some "information," please do identify the
"law
> >> > firm."
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Sara
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > According to my sources, it was SPLC.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > The SPLC is not a law firm, Ewan. Do you even know what it
is?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Actually, my mistake; it is a law firm, but it's a nonprofit
> >> > > > > organization.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Actually, Ewan Jackson thinks he is the only person who has ever
> >trolled
> >> > > > anyone.
> >> > >
> >> > > Not at all.  You and Orac do an admirable job too.  Loved your 100+
> >> > > days of Pat Blakely threads.
> >> >
> >> > Sara has the hots for Blakely.
> >>
> >> Don Ellis has the hots for men eating each other's shit.
> >
> >
> >Why don't call ellis and tell him this. Coward
>
> Still talking about yourself in the third person? When will you be
> seeking help?
>
> By the way, proper nouns should be capitalized (even your name) and
> you left out the word "you."
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian Blank

Still scared to give Donnie a call?


--
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"Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
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> Gord McFee  wrote in message
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> > "Dr. Ewan Jackson" wrote:
> > >
> > > Sara  wrote in message
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> > > > In article <636415e9.0201171457.b67c855@posting.google.com>,
> > > > ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sara  wrote in message
> > > > > news:...
> > > > > > In article <636415e9.0201161715.18954505@posting.google.com>,
> > > > > > ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sara  wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:...
> > > > > > > > In article
<636415e9.0201151956.7dbf1959@posting.google.com>,
> > > > > > > > ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sara  wrote in message
> > > > > > > > >
news:...
> > > > > > > > > > In article
<11K08.13963$Xs4.3545313@feed.centurytel.net>, "Mike
> > > > > > > > > > McGee"
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > LOL. so what does this say????
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It says you're trying to cover your ass, but it won't
work.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sorry, Don. You blew it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sara,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Don't you ever get tired of playing these silly little spy
> > > > > > > > > games?  I am unsure exactly what you are trying to
achieve,
> > > > > > > > > but every time you post something provocative you are
> > > > > > > > > actually soliciting the "harassment" you complain about.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > EJ
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What a fascinating statement. Don Ellis e-mails _me_, and
I'm
> > > > > > > > soliciting
> > > > > > > > harassment?!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please tell me what "spy games" I am playing, Mr. Jackson,
by
> > > > > > > > posting
> > > > > > > > the header of an unsolicited e-mail?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All I'm saying is that every time you start an aggressive
thread
> > > > > > > about Mr Blakely or Mr Ellis, you are inviting a response, and
the
> > > > > > > response might not always be in a form you would like.  It
wasn't
> > > > > > > long ago that you posted provocative material about Mr Blakely
> > > > > > > for 100+ consecutive days.  For what purpose, one must ask?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And while you're at it, tell us again about this imaginary
THHP
> > > > > > > > list,
> > > > > > > > and what topics we're discussing this week.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At a guess, Don Ellis, your favourite subject.  You're
possibly
> > > > > > > bitching
> > > > > > > about how much $ you've spent on a certain law firm with zero
> > > > > > > results.
> > > > > > > Just a guess.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > EJ
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ROFL!! I haven't spent one thin DIME on Donnie Ellis. He's worth
even
> > > > > > less than you are.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now I beg to differ.
> > > > >
> > > > > Remember you told Suzie you maintain an Excel spreadsheet to keep
track
> > > > > of all of Don's and Pat's emails and posts.  You certainly go to a
lot of
> > > > > effort with these people.
> > > > >
> > > > > EJ
> > > >
> > > > And the cost of maintaining a spreadsheet is... ?
> > > >
> > > > I didn't think so.
> > > >
> > > > However, you haven't identified this imaginary law firm, so I can
only
> > > > assume you're a blad-faced liar.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What is a "blad-faced liar"?  Forgive me but I am unfamiliar with
> > > some of your mid-American slang.
> > >
> > > And yes, I identified the law firm, lair.
> >
> > What's a "lair", fuckwit?
>
> A place where dragons live.
>
> EJ

A place where Cougar abuses Sara's children.


--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





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"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
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> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:20:12 -0600, "Kelton Speers"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
> >news:ik3h4uc56hvjoi2tlo2jakrc767m3ffc92@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:19:17 -0600, "Ali Goldberg"
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
> >> >news:p56g4u8lpegisn13jklqgg1daipvmjeb2p@4ax.com...
> >> >> "Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
> >> >> news:636415e9.0201171743.2284d76f@posting.google.com...
> >> >> > Brian Blank  wrote in message
> >> >> news:...
> >> >> > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:26:28 +0100 (CET),
> >> >> > > CreedmoreChronicles@helferlein.net wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >From: ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson)
> >> >> > > >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> >> >> > > >Subject: 100% of Brian Blank's phone number
> >> >> > > >Date: 14 Jan 2002 00:11:36 -0800
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >Ewan - Kindly give us the rest of the numbers.
> >> >> > > >Presumably it relates to an address in Portland/Salem,Oregon?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > And the reason that you would want the rest of the numbers is
what
> >> >> > > exactly?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It is perfectly legimitate to resolve arguments over the
telephone.
> >> >> > Usenet is so impersonal and slow.  Much better to phone someone up
> >> >> > and discuss your differences like a mature adult.
> >> >>
> >> >> And the differences that Ellis would have with this person who is
> >> >> unknown to him would be what exactly?
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Brian Blank
> >> >
> >> >Why don't you ask Ellis? You seem to know him so well.
> >>
> >> I don't know you at all. I assumed that when Jerome said " It is
> >> perfectly legitimate to resolve arguments over the telephone.
> >> Usenet is so impersonal and slow.  Much better to phone someone up
> >> and discuss your differences like a mature adult" that he actually
> >> knew what these differences were.
> >>
> >> By the way, for you to pretend that you are not Don Ellis is totally
> >> laughable. Your postings have a certain style (simplistic, void of
> >> argument, aggressive and hateful) that make identification so easy.
> >
> >
> >What changed your mind? Went I called you last night (mr. please don't
call
> >me any more), you wasn't so damn sure.
>
> Oh, so you now agree that you are Don Ellis and that you were talking
> about yourself in the third person.
>
> But you did not phone me last night, you are simply lying.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian Blank

LOL, acting big and brave now? Want me to call you again? LOL

"Please don't call me again...daddy will take my computer." - Brian Blank





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Did you remember to format your hard drive? It might be a good idea to trash
it. Child Porn is illegal. LOL
--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





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"Paul Kneisel"  wrote in message
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> I stand corrected.
>

You damn drunk, you're lucky to be standing.
--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





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"david_michael"  wrote in message
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> John Morris  wrote in message
news:...
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > In  in alt.revisionism,
> > on Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:52:24 -0600, "Ali Goldberg"
> >  wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > It is very clear that McVay believes defending dead people of the
> > > holocaust is more important than saving LIVE children from
> > > pedophiles. Of course McVay could be in a self-defense mode
> > > protecting his personal freedom of viewing and enjoying child
> > > pornography. McVay's self-defense is mirrored by members of NAMBLA.
> > > Many of us here know for a fact that McVay is a draft dodger and a
> > > active homosexual. Draft dodgers are know cowards and homosexuals
> > > have strong sexual urges for young children. McVay's loudest
> > > cheerleader, Sara Salzman, quickly runs to his defense. Why?
> > > Because she allows Cougar to have a sexual relationship with her
> > > own children. It's a damn good thing for them that the people they
> > > defend can't speak.
> >
> > It is very clear that you have an uncontrollable urge to lie.
> >
> > - --
> >  John Morris                                
> >  at University of Alberta  
>
> Where is the lie, Mr Morris?

Michael, I did not lie. Morris is using Jeffrey Brown's defense
system...LIAR LIAR


> Here are Mr McVay's own words:
>
> 
> 'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
> any great moral danger to our society).' Ken McVay OBC
> 
>
> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
>
>
> Mr McVay expressing interest in a hardcore pornography version of Alice in
> Wonderland while posting to alt.sex:
>
> 
> From: kmcvay@oneb (Ken McVay)
> Newsgroups: alt.sex
> Subject: Erotic Lit. (was Re: sex ves. violence)
> Message-ID: <2686f4a0-2.6alt.sex-1@oneb>
> Date: 26 Jun 90 06:52:07 GMT
> References: <137507@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <9655.26835370@amherst.bitnet>
> Lines: 8
> Posted: Tue Jun 26 07:52:07 1990
>
>
> >> restrictions are generally in force anyway.  Aside from pornography
> >> being deadly dull, it doesn't bother me.
>
> I once enjoyed an exception to the 'deadly dull' rule - a delightful movie
> entitled 'Alice in Wonderland' which bore an, er, superficial resemblance
to
> another movie of the same name....I've been trying to find a copy for
years,
> or at least to rent one....last time I viewed it was around 1983....
>
> Bring on the Dancing Nurses! :-)
> 
>
> David




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"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
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> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 04:53:59 -0600, "Mike Goodman"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
> >news:3u0i4ucc4gtfq888tndlerd5nvr4peq6sf@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:20:12 -0600, "Kelton Speers"
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
> >> >news:ik3h4uc56hvjoi2tlo2jakrc767m3ffc92@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:19:17 -0600, "Ali Goldberg"
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in
message
> >> >> >news:p56g4u8lpegisn13jklqgg1daipvmjeb2p@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> "Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:636415e9.0201171743.2284d76f@posting.google.com...
> >> >> >> > Brian Blank  wrote in
message
> >> >> >> news:...
> >> >> >> > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:26:28 +0100 (CET),
> >> >> >> > > CreedmoreChronicles@helferlein.net wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > >From: ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson)
> >> >> >> > > >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> >> >> >> > > >Subject: 100% of Brian Blank's phone number
> >> >> >> > > >Date: 14 Jan 2002 00:11:36 -0800
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >Ewan - Kindly give us the rest of the numbers.
> >> >> >> > > >Presumably it relates to an address in
Portland/Salem,Oregon?
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > And the reason that you would want the rest of the numbers is
> >what
> >> >> >> > > exactly?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > It is perfectly legimitate to resolve arguments over the
> >telephone.
> >> >> >> > Usenet is so impersonal and slow.  Much better to phone someone
up
> >> >> >> > and discuss your differences like a mature adult.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> And the differences that Ellis would have with this person who is
> >> >> >> unknown to him would be what exactly?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Brian Blank
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Why don't you ask Ellis? You seem to know him so well.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't know you at all. I assumed that when Jerome said " It is
> >> >> perfectly legitimate to resolve arguments over the telephone.
> >> >> Usenet is so impersonal and slow.  Much better to phone someone up
> >> >> and discuss your differences like a mature adult" that he actually
> >> >> knew what these differences were.
> >> >>
> >> >> By the way, for you to pretend that you are not Don Ellis is totally
> >> >> laughable. Your postings have a certain style (simplistic, void of
> >> >> argument, aggressive and hateful) that make identification so easy.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >What changed your mind? Went I called you last night (mr. please don't
> >call
> >> >me any more), you wasn't so damn sure.
> >>
> >> Oh, so you now agree that you are Don Ellis and that you were talking
> >> about yourself in the third person.
> >>
> >> But you did not phone me last night, you are simply lying.
> >>
> Restoration of line snipped by Don Ellis:
> Incidentally the word "when" is not spelt "went."
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Brian Blank
> >
> >LOL, acting big and brave now? Want me to call you again? LOL
>
> You didn't phone me, Don. You are a liar.
> You won't phone me, Don. You are a coward.
> You can't phone me, Don. You don't have my telephone number.

LOL, stop acting silly, you little sissy. You know damn well I called you
and you almost started crying because you thought your daddy was going to
get mad. Did you know the call was recorded by me? Oh yes, so stop
whining...baby boo. LOL
--
As to what exactly, EJ is up to, I can only wonder. For sure tho he's making
us look bad Hilary. -  Jason James



> >
> >"Please don't call me again...daddy will take my computer." - Brian Blank
>
> Hearing voices in your head, Don?
>
> Perhaps your problem is your diet? You know what they say, "garbage
> in, garbage out." That obviously applies to your mouth.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian Blank




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"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
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> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 04:47:18 -0600, "Mike Goodman"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
> >news:jd1i4u0uil5lno7uk5gl8kgcjojtlbhlam@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:58:08 -0600, "Kelton Speers"
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
> >> >news:3C48E9A3.56A3400C@sympatico.ca...
> >> >>
> >> >> Ali Goldberg wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
> >> >> > news:636415e9.0201172130.3724a5be@posting.google.com...
> >> >> > > Sara  wrote in message
> >> >> > news:...
> >> >> > > > In article
,
> >> >Orac
> >> >> > > >  wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > > In article
> >,
> >> >> > > > >  Orac  wrote:
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > In article
<636415e9.0201171436.36df32ee@posting.google.com>,
> >> >> > > > > >  ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > Sara  wrote in message
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >news:...
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > [Snip]
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > > If you have some "information," please do identify the
> >"law
> >> >> > firm."
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > > Sara
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > According to my sources, it was SPLC.
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > The SPLC is not a law firm, Ewan. Do you even know what it
> >is?
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Actually, my mistake; it is a law firm, but it's a nonprofit
> >> >> > > > > organization.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Actually, Ewan Jackson thinks he is the only person who has
ever
> >> >trolled
> >> >> > > > anyone.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Not at all.  You and Orac do an admirable job too.  Loved your
100+
> >> >> > > days of Pat Blakely threads.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sara has the hots for Blakely.
> >> >>
> >> >> Don Ellis has the hots for men eating each other's shit.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Why don't call ellis and tell him this. Coward
> >>
> >> Still talking about yourself in the third person? When will you be
> >> seeking help?
> >>
> >> By the way, proper nouns should be capitalized (even your name) and
> >> you left out the word "you."
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Brian Blank
> >
> >Still scared to give Donnie a call?
>
> Still talking about yourself in the third person?
>
> Why should I call you? I have no desire to talk to lying bigots with
> the mental capacity of a goldfish.

Did old daddy get mad at you? I hope you didn't get in trouble. LOL

Ask old daddy if you can call me...remember, you said my number showed up on
your caller ID. If you don't wanna call donnie then call me. Go ahead, do
it.


--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman


> Regards,
>
> Brian Blank




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"Gesticulating Purple Stigmata"  wrote in message
news:vyafn0DcvXS8EwOR@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk...
> In message <3C48EC41.657351A8@efn.org>, R M Johannessen 
> writes:
> >> Not.
> >> It may include some apparent references to historical events and even
> >> actual people,
> >
> >Obviously you've never read the Bible or studied history.
>
> So, this whole talking snake thing.  And the pillar of salt thing.  And
> the walking round the walls till they fall down thing.  And the being
> swallowed by a whale but not dying thing.
>
> Sounds like the plot from a pantomime to be honest.


Or witchcraft.


> --
> James Coupe             "Never give in to them," she whispered. "No matter
what
> PGP 0x5D623D5D   EB they do or how important you feel it is to get their
accep-
> D690ECD7A1FB457CA21 tance.  Never kill part of yourself for them. Because
other
> 3D7E668C3695D623D5D     people will notice that part is missing before you
do."




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"Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in message
news:jeffreygbrown-A0770B.09342019012002@news.alt.net...
> In article , anonymous coward
"tyler
> " wrote:
>
> > Unless someone can prove otherwise, I claim that the kosher tax is
> > paid for by sales from  the entire production line of any major brand
> > company that pays it.
>
> Neither anonymous coward "Waldo" nor anonymous coward "tyler" have *ever*
> produced a speck of hard evidence for their assertion that the costs of
kosher
> certification are borne by the consumer. Neither of them ever will.

Fact-free assertion. Dismissed for lack of evidence.

> Neither anonymous coward "Waldo" nor anonymous coward "tyler" have *ever*
> produced a speck of hard evidence for their assertions that companies are
> "coerced" or "terrorized" into producing kosher goods. Neither of them
ever will.

Fact-free assertion. Dismissed for lack of evidence.


> They are both lying bigots. That is all either of them will ever be.

Fact-free assertion. Dismissed for lack of evidence.



> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
 Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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"Anonymous coward Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in
message news:jeffreygbrown-89373C.09354219012002@news.alt.net...
> In article <3c491f39$0$188@news.impulse.net>,anonymous coward "Waldo"
>  wrote:
>
> > In the US, the massive and unaware Gentile market bears the brunt of the
> > Kosher costs
>
Reminder: Anonymous coward "Jeffrey G. Brown" has never been able to provide
a shred of
evidence for its assertion. It remains a lying bigot.
>
> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
 Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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"A lying coward Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in
message news:jeffreygbrown-7B24EF.09381219012002@news.alt.net...
> In article <7I828.7435$X4.553429@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
"Richard
> Phillips"  wrote:
>
> > This is a well-known fact and if it escaped Goldhagen's
> > attention, it can only be that he lacked either the diligence to
discover it
> > or the integrity to publish it.
>
A lying coward that runs to the other side of the planet when it is expected
to
pay its debts, and brags about its cowardice years later, is hardly in any
position to sit in judgement of the integrity of others. Jeffrey G. Brown is
one
such pathetic creature.
>
> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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"Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in message
news:jeffreygbrown-3C013E.09431019012002@news.alt.net...
> In article <8Wd28.20077$Xs4.3963970@feed.centurytel.net>, "Gutless Donnie
Ellis"
>  wrote:
>
> > Did you remember to format your hard drive? It might be a good idea to
trash
> > it. Child Porn is illegal.
>
> Hi, Donnie! Did you delete your shit-eating pictures from your hard drive?
> Wouldn't want Megan to find them, would you?


Who is Megan?


> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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"Fat Freak Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in
message news:jeffreygbrown-AD2CEA.09415319012002@news.alt.net...
> In article ,
> Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie "BOOGERMAN" Bradbury (tavish48@ix.netcom.com)
wrote:
>
> > V2.0 What sort of truth has to be defended with the threat of
prosecution?
> > (Compilation)
>
> What sort of lies have to be defended with threats of torture and
mutilation?
> Why, the sort of lies told by one Jeffrey G. Brown, the Fat Freak, of
> course...
>
> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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"anonymous coward Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in
message news:jeffreygbrown-33F7B1.09473819012002@news.alt.net...
> > Unless someone can prove otherwise, I claim that the kosher tax is
> > paid for by sales from  the entire production line of any major brand
> > company that pays it.
>
> Neither anonymous coward "Waldo" nor anonymous coward "tyler" have *ever*
> produced a speck of hard evidence for their assertion that the costs of
kosher
> certification are borne by the consumer. Neither of them ever will.

Fact-free assertion. Dismissed for lack of evidence.

> Neither anonymous coward "Waldo" nor anonymous coward "tyler" have *ever*
> produced a speck of hard evidence for their assertions that companies are
> "coerced" or "terrorized" into producing kosher goods. Neither of them
ever will.

Fact-free assertion. Dismissed for lack of evidence.


> They are both lying bigots. That is all either of them will ever be.

Fact-free assertion. Dismissed for lack of evidence.
> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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"Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in message
news:jeffreygbrown-EFDAAA.09493119012002@news.alt.net...
> In article , "Gutless Donnie
Ellis"
>  wrote:
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> Hi, Donnie. Does Megan know you're spending all your time telling lies
about
> other people on the Internet, instead of spending time with her? What does
her
> daddy tell her when she wants to play and you won't leave the computer
because
> you have another lie to post?
>
> JGB

Why don't you call this Megan and tell her for yourself. Coward


> =====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
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> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:19:32 -0600, "Mike Goodman"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
> >news:1jti4u0uqk9j0co3bpc8jnv2ms3d2v7rol@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 04:53:59 -0600, "Mike Goodman"
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
> >> >news:3u0i4ucc4gtfq888tndlerd5nvr4peq6sf@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:20:12 -0600, "Kelton Speers"
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in
message
> >> >> >news:ik3h4uc56hvjoi2tlo2jakrc767m3ffc92@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:19:17 -0600, "Ali Goldberg"
> >> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in
> >message
> >> >> >> >news:p56g4u8lpegisn13jklqgg1daipvmjeb2p@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >> "Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:636415e9.0201171743.2284d76f@posting.google.com...
> >> >> >> >> > Brian Blank  wrote in
> >message
> >> >> >> >> news:...
> >> >> >> >> > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:26:28 +0100 (CET),
> >> >> >> >> > > CreedmoreChronicles@helferlein.net wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > >From: ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson)
> >> >> >> >> > > >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> >> >> >> >> > > >Subject: 100% of Brian Blank's phone number
> >> >> >> >> > > >Date: 14 Jan 2002 00:11:36 -0800
> >> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > >Ewan - Kindly give us the rest of the numbers.
> >> >> >> >> > > >Presumably it relates to an address in
> >Portland/Salem,Oregon?
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > And the reason that you would want the rest of the numbers
is
> >> >what
> >> >> >> >> > > exactly?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > It is perfectly legimitate to resolve arguments over the
> >> >telephone.
> >> >> >> >> > Usenet is so impersonal and slow.  Much better to phone
someone
> >up
> >> >> >> >> > and discuss your differences like a mature adult.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> And the differences that Ellis would have with this person who
is
> >> >> >> >> unknown to him would be what exactly?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Brian Blank
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Why don't you ask Ellis? You seem to know him so well.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I don't know you at all. I assumed that when Jerome said " It is
> >> >> >> perfectly legitimate to resolve arguments over the telephone.
> >> >> >> Usenet is so impersonal and slow.  Much better to phone someone
up
> >> >> >> and discuss your differences like a mature adult" that he
actually
> >> >> >> knew what these differences were.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> By the way, for you to pretend that you are not Don Ellis is
totally
> >> >> >> laughable. Your postings have a certain style (simplistic, void
of
> >> >> >> argument, aggressive and hateful) that make identification so
easy.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >What changed your mind? Went I called you last night (mr. please
don't
> >> >call
> >> >> >me any more), you wasn't so damn sure.
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh, so you now agree that you are Don Ellis and that you were
talking
> >> >> about yourself in the third person.
> >> >>
> >> >> But you did not phone me last night, you are simply lying.
> >> >>
> >> Restoration of line snipped by Don Ellis:
> >> Incidentally the word "when" is not spelt "went."
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Brian Blank
> >> >
> >> >LOL, acting big and brave now? Want me to call you again? LOL
> >>
> >> You didn't phone me, Don. You are a liar.
> >> You won't phone me, Don. You are a coward.
> >> You can't phone me, Don. You don't have my telephone number.
> >
> >LOL, stop acting silly, you little sissy. You know damn well I called you
> >and you almost started crying because you thought your daddy was going to
> >get mad. Did you know the call was recorded by me? Oh yes, so stop
> >whining...baby boo. LOL
>
> What time was this mythical call? We were all out from 5.30 pm to
> Midnight.
>
> The call was recorded by you? That must have been a one sided
> conversation, just the voice mail message which does not have my voice
> on it.
>
> Oh, by the way, my father died in 1968 so I doubt that he would be in
> a position to get mad or to take my computers away.
>
> Perhaps you should check with Ewan as he seems to know so much about
> me? Except of course, my wife's name, the town I live in and my
> telephone number.
>

LOL. trying to cover your ass? LOL


--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC



>
> Regards,
>
> Brian Blank




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"Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in message
news:jeffreygbrown-73FB5B.09544119012002@news.alt.net...
> In article , "Gutless Donnie
Ellis"
>  wrote:
>
> > "Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in message
> > news:jeffreygbrown-3C013E.09431019012002@news.alt.net...
> > > In article <8Wd28.20077$Xs4.3963970@feed.centurytel.net>, "Gutless
Donnie
> > Ellis"
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Did you remember to format your hard drive? It might be a good idea
to trash
> > > > it. Child Porn is illegal.
> > >
> > > Hi, Donnie! Did you delete your shit-eating pictures from your hard
drive?
> > > Wouldn't want Megan to find them, would you?
> >
> >
> > Who is Megan?
>
> Megan is your daughter, Donnie. She'll be so happy when she finds out that
her
> own father pretends she doesn't exist.

Why don't you call and tell her? LOL

Chicken??


> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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"Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in message
news:jeffreygbrown-1296D1.09555919012002@news.alt.net...
> In article , "Gutless Donnie
Ellis"
>  wrote:
>
> > "Fat Freak Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in
> > message news:jeffreygbrown-AD2CEA.09415319012002@news.alt.net...
> > > In article ,
> > > Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie "BOOGERMAN" Bradbury (tavish48@ix.netcom.com)
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > V2.0 What sort of truth has to be defended with the threat of
> > prosecution?
> > > > (Compilation)
> > >
> > > What sort of lies have to be defended with threats of torture and
mutilation?
> > > Why, the sort of lies told by one Jeffrey G. Brown, the Fat Freak, of
> > > course...
> > >
> > > JGB
> > >
> > > =====================================================================
> > Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
> > For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it
means
> > to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
> > To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002
>
>
> Thanks for demonstrating that forgery is one of your tools, Donnie. Does
Megan
> know what kind of liar her father is? I'm sure she does, by now.


Are you too chicken shit to call her. LOL


> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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"Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in message
news:jeffreygbrown-EE536A.09502119012002@news.alt.net...
> In article <7xf28.20087$Xs4.3969622@feed.centurytel.net>, "Gutless Donnie
Ellis"
>  wrote:
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> Hi, Donnie. What's Megan doing right now? Do you even know? Do you care?
>
> Didn't think so...

Still scared to call her? LOL


> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
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> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:25:52 -0600, "Mike Goodman"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
> >news:90ui4ukdakvuj3bcb1tondqe8dg9nc8se2@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 04:47:18 -0600, "Mike Goodman"
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
> >> >news:jd1i4u0uil5lno7uk5gl8kgcjojtlbhlam@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:58:08 -0600, "Kelton Speers"
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
> >> >> >news:3C48E9A3.56A3400C@sympatico.ca...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Ali Goldberg wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:636415e9.0201172130.3724a5be@posting.google.com...
> >> >> >> > > Sara  wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:...
> >> >> >> > > > In article
> >,
> >> >> >Orac
> >> >> >> > > >  wrote:
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > In article
> >> >,
> >> >> >> > > > >  Orac  wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > In article
> ><636415e9.0201171436.36df32ee@posting.google.com>,
> >> >> >> > > > > >  ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > > Sara  wrote in message
> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >news:...
> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > [Snip]
> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > > > If you have some "information," please do identify
the
> >> >"law
> >> >> >> > firm."
> >> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > > > Sara
> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > > According to my sources, it was SPLC.
> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > The SPLC is not a law firm, Ewan. Do you even know what
it
> >> >is?
> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > Actually, my mistake; it is a law firm, but it's a
nonprofit
> >> >> >> > > > > organization.
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > Actually, Ewan Jackson thinks he is the only person who has
> >ever
> >> >> >trolled
> >> >> >> > > > anyone.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Not at all.  You and Orac do an admirable job too.  Loved
your
> >100+
> >> >> >> > > days of Pat Blakely threads.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Sara has the hots for Blakely.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Don Ellis has the hots for men eating each other's shit.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Why don't call ellis and tell him this. Coward
> >> >>
> >> >> Still talking about yourself in the third person? When will you be
> >> >> seeking help?
> >> >>
> >> >> By the way, proper nouns should be capitalized (even your name) and
> >> >> you left out the word "you."
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Brian Blank
> >> >
> >> >Still scared to give Donnie a call?
> >>
> >> Still talking about yourself in the third person?
> >>
> >> Why should I call you? I have no desire to talk to lying bigots with
> >> the mental capacity of a goldfish.
> >
> >Did old daddy get mad at you? I hope you didn't get in trouble. LOL
>
> Who is "old daddy?" If you mean my father, I can only assume that you
> are really smoking some weird stuff. He died in 1968.
> >
> >Ask old daddy if you can call me...remember, you said my number showed up
on
> >your caller ID. If you don't wanna call donnie then call me. Go ahead, do
> >it.
>
> Sorry, Don, unlike you, I only talk to living sentient beings and not
> figments of my imagination.
>
> I am never going to phone you and you are never going to phone me,
> because you can't (you don't have my number) and you won't (because
> you are a cowardly lump of offal).


Why did you just hang up? Don't you wanna talk to me? LOL
--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman



> Regards,
>
> Brian Blank




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"Steven Mock"  wrote in message
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> david_michael wrote:
>
> > Ragland36@webtv.net (Michael Ragland) wrote in message
news:<35a8d44b.0201181602.1231e6b5@posting.google.com>...
> > > David, your posts over the years clearly show you are an antisemite.
> > > It is not incorrect to call you that.
> >
> > It is not only incorrect but it is highly defamatory, Michael.
> >
> > An anti-Semite (in the common sense of the word) is one who hates
> > Jews. I do not hate Jews. I do not particularly like their culture,
> > which has tended to encourage arrogance, dishonesty and
> > unpleasantness, but I could say the same of, say, French culture.
>
> Do the French control the American media?  Does a U.S. president need
> the support of the French to get elected?

Bill Clinton did.


> Steven Mock
> --
> "Nobody objects to the truth being written and published, but free
> speech does not include the right to peddle vicious lies for profit."
> - David Irving
> 




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"Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in message
news:jeffreygbrown-370C21.10171619012002@news.alt.net...
> In article , "Gutless Donnie
Ellis"
>  wrote:
>
> > "Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in message
> > news:jeffreygbrown-73FB5B.09544119012002@news.alt.net...
> > > In article , "Gutless
Donnie
> > Ellis"
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in message
> > > > news:jeffreygbrown-3C013E.09431019012002@news.alt.net...
> > > > > In article <8Wd28.20077$Xs4.3963970@feed.centurytel.net>, "Gutless
> > Donnie
> > > > Ellis"
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Did you remember to format your hard drive? It might be a good
idea to trash
> > > > > > it. Child Porn is illegal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, Donnie! Did you delete your shit-eating pictures from your
hard drive?
> > > > > Wouldn't want Megan to find them, would you?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Who is Megan?
> > >
> > > Megan is your daughter, Donnie. She'll be so happy when she finds out
that
> > > her own father pretends she doesn't exist.
> >
> > Why don't you call and tell her?
>
> No need. She'll find out the hard way.


Coward.


> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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"chicken shit Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in
message news:jeffreygbrown-0BC781.10205119012002@news.alt.net...
>
> > Are you too chicken shit
>
> Who's posting under ever-changing pseudonyms, Donnie? >

still too scared to call her?

> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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"lying coward Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in
message news:jeffreygbrown-D867E2.10181719012002@news.alt.net...
>
> > "Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in message
> > news:jeffreygbrown-EFDAAA.09493119012002@news.alt.net...
> > >
> > > > [...deletia...]
> > >
> > > Hi, Donnie. Does Megan know you're spending all your time telling lies
about
> > > other people on the Internet, instead of spending time with her? What
does her
> > > daddy tell her when she wants to play and you won't leave the computer
because
> > > you have another lie to post?
> > >
> > > JGB
> >
> > Why don't you call this Megan and tell her for yourself.
>
> Because she can see for herself where your priorities are, lying coward.

Why don't you call her. You little coward.


> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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"gutless Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in message
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>
> > Still scared
>
> I'm not the one too gutless to post under my own name, Donnie.


You're too gutless to call a girl? LOL


> You are.
>
> LOL...
>
> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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"Gutless Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in message
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>
> > Coward.
>
> I'm not the one who has been terrified into posting under dozens of
pseudonyms,
> Fat Donnie. That description fits you perfectly.


Give me your phone number, I'll tell your fatass wife what a coward you
really are.


> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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"Gutless Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in message
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>
> > You little coward.
>
> I'm not the one who has been terrified into posting under dozens of
pseudonyms,
> Fat Donnie. That description fits you perfectly.


Send me your number, I'll tell your fatass wife what a real coward you are.


> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





From nicegoy@eudoramail.com Sat Jan 19 13:18:34 EST 2002
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A Texas man was sexually tortured and held against his will for nine days
inside a downtown flower shop by its owner in Wayne, Nebraska, it was
reported on Friday.

Business owner Roger Van, 55, is accused of luring 36-year-old Jonathan
Cooper of Houston to the small college town last month via the Internet to
begin a "sadistic bondage" relationship.

MORE

Their relationship included various forms of sex and torture. Authorities
would not elaborate. Another man, 36-year-old Jerry Marshall, also
participated, said police.

Van and Marshall were charged Thursday with sexual assault, two counts of
assault, false imprisonment and terroristic threats after a search warrant
was delivered at Van's flower shop.

Marshall helped Cooper escape after nine days in confinement, the AP
reported.

Wayne, a community of 5,583 people, is 85 miles northwest of Omaha in
northeast Nebraska.

--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





From nicegoy@eudoramail.com Sat Jan 19 13:18:34 EST 2002
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"National Front88"  wrote in message
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> [A spoof and an impression of J. G. Brown --NF88]
>
>        Once again, you are a lying coward who demonstrates his inability
to
> intelligently debate the child porn viewing habits of the cult figure
known as
> Ken McVay.  Keep demonstrating your incompetence, you lying, incompetent
> coward.  You are a lying piece of filth and I'm going to remind you of it
> constantly!

Good to see a truthful posting on ar.


> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
> For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
> to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
> To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002
> =====================================================
> "I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
> going to whip my breasts." --Sara "The Fist" Salzman




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"anonymous coward Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in
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>
> > [...deletia...]
>

Still haven't found the nerve to actually call the Ellis and Donnie Ellis
denial, I see. Poor, poor gutless worm...


>
> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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"little coward Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in
message news:jeffreygbrown-32ED97.11125419012002@news.alt.net...
>
> > "Gutless Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in
message
> > news:jeffreygbrown-862B21.10385319012002@news.alt.net...
> > >
> > > > You little coward.
> > >
>
Still haven't found the nerve to actually discuss the Holocaust and
Holocaust denial, I see. Poor, poor gutless worm...
>
> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002





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From: "Leon Rawls" 
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Like any draft dodger, McVay will support the release of a Black Panther.



"National Front88"  wrote in message
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>        I actually ENCOURAGE everyone read the entire interview about Ken
> McVay's e-mail interview (he certainly can't claim he "misspoke" about
viewing
> naked children on the Internet) at the following link:
>
> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
>
>        While you're at it, check out http://www.spectacle.org/ which
defends a
> notorious cop killer.  All the Reds are lined up behind Black Panther
extremist
> Mumia Abu-Jamal and this Web site is no exception.  Notice how Ken McVay
> permits Communists to interview him?  The McVay Cultists are still in
lockstep
> conformity behind their FŁhrer.
>
> http://www.spectacle.org/
> "Noticing that no-one held the values I defended, I decided to make a
spectacle
> of myself." --Richard Foreman
>
> "Perhaps one thing that I should note, because authors often
> sensationalize the hatemongering on the Net, is that, for all their
> vitriol, these people are only a tiny handful of the 30-40 million
> users on the Internet. I am weary of seeing their activities blown out
> of proportion, as I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown
> out of proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and
> have yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've seen
> photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in my family
> photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great moral danger to
> our society)." --Ken McVay
>
> National Front88
> ---
> "I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
> going to whip my breasts." --Sara "The Fist" Salzman




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"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
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> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:08:50 -0600, "Randy Burton"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
> >news:g41j4ugta8uc7b0ou4m1ckqe0rrh40f868@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:19:32 -0600, "Mike Goodman"
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
> >> >news:1jti4u0uqk9j0co3bpc8jnv2ms3d2v7rol@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 04:53:59 -0600, "Mike Goodman"
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in
message
> >> >> >news:3u0i4ucc4gtfq888tndlerd5nvr4peq6sf@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:20:12 -0600, "Kelton Speers"
> >> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in
> >message
> >> >> >> >news:ik3h4uc56hvjoi2tlo2jakrc767m3ffc92@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:19:17 -0600, "Ali Goldberg"
> >> >> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in
> >> >message
> >> >> >> >> >news:p56g4u8lpegisn13jklqgg1daipvmjeb2p@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >> >> "Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in
message
> >> >> >> >> >> news:636415e9.0201171743.2284d76f@posting.google.com...
> >> >> >> >> >> > Brian Blank  wrote
in
> >> >message
> >> >> >> >> >> news:...
> >> >> >> >> >> > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:26:28 +0100 (CET),
> >> >> >> >> >> > > CreedmoreChronicles@helferlein.net wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >From: ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson)
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >Subject: 100% of Brian Blank's phone number
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >Date: 14 Jan 2002 00:11:36 -0800
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >Ewan - Kindly give us the rest of the numbers.
> >> >> >> >> >> > > >Presumably it relates to an address in
> >> >Portland/Salem,Oregon?
> >> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > And the reason that you would want the rest of the
numbers
> >is
> >> >> >what
> >> >> >> >> >> > > exactly?
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > It is perfectly legimitate to resolve arguments over the
> >> >> >telephone.
> >> >> >> >> >> > Usenet is so impersonal and slow.  Much better to phone
> >someone
> >> >up
> >> >> >> >> >> > and discuss your differences like a mature adult.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> And the differences that Ellis would have with this person
who
> >is
> >> >> >> >> >> unknown to him would be what exactly?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Brian Blank
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Why don't you ask Ellis? You seem to know him so well.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I don't know you at all. I assumed that when Jerome said " It
is
> >> >> >> >> perfectly legitimate to resolve arguments over the telephone.
> >> >> >> >> Usenet is so impersonal and slow.  Much better to phone
someone
> >up
> >> >> >> >> and discuss your differences like a mature adult" that he
> >actually
> >> >> >> >> knew what these differences were.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> By the way, for you to pretend that you are not Don Ellis is
> >totally
> >> >> >> >> laughable. Your postings have a certain style (simplistic,
void
> >of
> >> >> >> >> argument, aggressive and hateful) that make identification so
> >easy.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >What changed your mind? Went I called you last night (mr. please
> >don't
> >> >> >call
> >> >> >> >me any more), you wasn't so damn sure.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Oh, so you now agree that you are Don Ellis and that you were
> >talking
> >> >> >> about yourself in the third person.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> But you did not phone me last night, you are simply lying.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> Restoration of line snipped by Don Ellis:
> >> >> Incidentally the word "when" is not spelt "went."
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Brian Blank
> >> >> >
> >> >> >LOL, acting big and brave now? Want me to call you again? LOL
> >> >>
> >> >> You didn't phone me, Don. You are a liar.
> >> >> You won't phone me, Don. You are a coward.
> >> >> You can't phone me, Don. You don't have my telephone number.
> >> >
> >> >LOL, stop acting silly, you little sissy. You know damn well I called
you
> >> >and you almost started crying because you thought your daddy was going
to
> >> >get mad. Did you know the call was recorded by me? Oh yes, so stop
> >> >whining...baby boo. LOL
> >>
> >> What time was this mythical call? We were all out from 5.30 pm to
> >> Midnight.
> >>
> >> The call was recorded by you? That must have been a one sided
> >> conversation, just the voice mail message which does not have my voice
> >> on it.
> >>
> >> Oh, by the way, my father died in 1968 so I doubt that he would be in
> >> a position to get mad or to take my computers away.
> >>
> >> Perhaps you should check with Ewan as he seems to know so much about
> >> me? Except of course, my wife's name, the town I live in and my
> >> telephone number.
> >>
> >
> >LOL. trying to cover your ass? LOL
>
> No need,  Don, just pointing out that you are not only stupid, you are
> a proven liar.

What? You don't wanna talk about the phone call? Why don't you answer the
phone. Here we go again...ring-ring.
--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman



> Regards,
>
> Brian Blank




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"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
news:vu7j4ukabfk39ov1si6aeon8f9j88peqm5@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:15:34 -0600, "Hank Harrison"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
> >news:pp1j4uo2tbit3ntpeo38rksn0dmgu0511i@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:25:52 -0600, "Mike Goodman"
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in message
> >> >news:90ui4ukdakvuj3bcb1tondqe8dg9nc8se2@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 04:47:18 -0600, "Mike Goodman"
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Brian Blank"  wrote in
message
> >> >> >news:jd1i4u0uil5lno7uk5gl8kgcjojtlbhlam@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:58:08 -0600, "Kelton Speers"
> >> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> >news:3C48E9A3.56A3400C@sympatico.ca...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Ali Goldberg wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > "Dr. Ewan Jackson"  wrote in
message
> >> >> >> >> > news:636415e9.0201172130.3724a5be@posting.google.com...
> >> >> >> >> > > Sara  wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> > news:...
> >> >> >> >> > > > In article
> >> >,
> >> >> >> >Orac
> >> >> >> >> > > >  wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > In article
> >> >> >,
> >> >> >> >> > > > >  Orac  wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > In article
> >> ><636415e9.0201171436.36df32ee@posting.google.com>,
> >> >> >> >> > > > > >  ewanlovesyou@my-deja.com (Dr. Ewan Jackson) wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Sara  wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >news:...
> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > [Snip]
> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > If you have some "information," please do
identify
> >the
> >> >> >"law
> >> >> >> >> > firm."
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > Sara
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > According to my sources, it was SPLC.
> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The SPLC is not a law firm, Ewan. Do you even know
what
> >it
> >> >> >is?
> >> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > Actually, my mistake; it is a law firm, but it's a
> >nonprofit
> >> >> >> >> > > > > organization.
> >> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > Actually, Ewan Jackson thinks he is the only person who
has
> >> >ever
> >> >> >> >trolled
> >> >> >> >> > > > anyone.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Not at all.  You and Orac do an admirable job too.  Loved
> >your
> >> >100+
> >> >> >> >> > > days of Pat Blakely threads.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Sara has the hots for Blakely.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Don Ellis has the hots for men eating each other's shit.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Why don't call ellis and tell him this. Coward
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Still talking about yourself in the third person? When will you
be
> >> >> >> seeking help?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> By the way, proper nouns should be capitalized (even your name)
and
> >> >> >> you left out the word "you."
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Brian Blank
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Still scared to give Donnie a call?
> >> >>
> >> >> Still talking about yourself in the third person?
> >> >>
> >> >> Why should I call you? I have no desire to talk to lying bigots with
> >> >> the mental capacity of a goldfish.
> >> >
> >> >Did old daddy get mad at you? I hope you didn't get in trouble. LOL
> >>
> >> Who is "old daddy?" If you mean my father, I can only assume that you
> >> are really smoking some weird stuff. He died in 1968.
> >> >
> >> >Ask old daddy if you can call me...remember, you said my number showed
up
> >on
> >> >your caller ID. If you don't wanna call donnie then call me. Go ahead,
do
> >> >it.
> >>
> >> Sorry, Don, unlike you, I only talk to living sentient beings and not
> >> figments of my imagination.
> >>
> >> I am never going to phone you and you are never going to phone me,
> >> because you can't (you don't have my number) and you won't (because
> >> you are a cowardly lump of offal).
> >
> >
> >Why did you just hang up? Don't you wanna talk to me? LOL
>
> Seek help, Don, you are totally delusional.

Now you're not answering the phone. I know you're home because you're still
posting here. Send daddy away, then we'll chat. LOL
--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman



> Regards,
>
> Brian Blank




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"gutless moron  Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in
message news:jeffreygbrown-E8C12E.11383319012002@news.alt.net...
>
> > [...deletia: irrelevant...]
>
Oh, look...gutless Jeffrey is too stupid and too terrified to
discuss the facts regarding the Holocaust and Holocaust denial as presented
by
Mr. David Michael.
>
> No wonder Jeffrey hides behind a pseudonym...
>
> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
For many years, child pornographers and viewers have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to view child pornography - "The Ken McVay Study", 2002

--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





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"Vellicet"  wrote in message
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> >Subject: McVay Interviewed by Communists
> >From: nationalfront88@aol.comNoPorn  (National Front88)
> >Date: 20/01/02 3:11 AM AUS Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <20020119111128.02611.00001292@mb-fb.aol.com>
> >
>
>
>
>
> Jason James
>

--
As to what exactly, EJ is up to, I can only wonder. For sure tho he's making
us look bad Hilary. -  Jason James





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"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
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--
And here again are the questions you still haven't answered:

Do you unreservedly condemn the Allied terror bombing of civilians in
Dresden, Hamburg,
Tokyo, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the latter two cases involving nuclear
weapons? Yes or
no, McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the Israeli killing of Palestinian civilians?
Yes or no,
McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the US terror policies against the civilian
population of
Iraq -- policies that are resulting in tens of thousands of deaths? Yes or
no, McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the massive American bombing of infrastructure
in
Afghanistan -- a Third World country on the brink of starvation -- just
before winter; a
policy that can only bring about thousands, if not millions, of civilian
deaths? Yes or
no, McFee?

If not, what the f*** right do you have to condemn the attacks on the World
Trade
Center?

--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





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"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
news:3C49AD59.70C7132B@sympatico.ca...

--
And here again are the questions you still haven't answered:

Do you unreservedly condemn the Allied terror bombing of civilians in
Dresden, Hamburg,
Tokyo, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the latter two cases involving nuclear
weapons? Yes or
no, McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the Israeli killing of Palestinian civilians?
Yes or no,
McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the US terror policies against the civilian
population of
Iraq -- policies that are resulting in tens of thousands of deaths? Yes or
no, McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the massive American bombing of infrastructure
in
Afghanistan -- a Third World country on the brink of starvation -- just
before winter; a
policy that can only bring about thousands, if not millions, of civilian
deaths? Yes or
no, McFee?

If not, what the f*** right do you have to condemn the attacks on the World
Trade
Center?

--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' -  Ken McVay OBC





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"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
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--
And here again are the questions you still haven't answered:

Do you unreservedly condemn the Allied terror bombing of civilians in
Dresden, Hamburg,
Tokyo, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the latter two cases involving nuclear
weapons? Yes or
no, McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the Israeli killing of Palestinian civilians?
Yes or no,
McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the US terror policies against the civilian
population of
Iraq -- policies that are resulting in tens of thousands of deaths? Yes or
no, McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the massive American bombing of infrastructure
in
Afghanistan -- a Third World country on the brink of starvation -- just
before winter; a
policy that can only bring about thousands, if not millions, of civilian
deaths? Yes or
no, McFee?

If not, what the f*** right do you have to condemn the attacks on the World
Trade
Center?





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"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
news:3C49AB4A.869476F0@sympatico.ca...

--
And here again are the questions you still haven't answered:

Do you unreservedly condemn the Allied terror bombing of civilians in
Dresden, Hamburg,
Tokyo, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the latter two cases involving nuclear
weapons? Yes or
no, McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the Israeli killing of Palestinian civilians?
Yes or no,
McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the US terror policies against the civilian
population of
Iraq -- policies that are resulting in tens of thousands of deaths? Yes or
no, McFee?

Do you unreservedly condemn the massive American bombing of infrastructure
in
Afghanistan -- a Third World country on the brink of starvation -- just
before winter; a
policy that can only bring about thousands, if not millions, of civilian
deaths? Yes or
no, McFee?

If not, what the f*** right do you have to condemn the attacks on the World
Trade
Center?





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"Sara whip my breasts"  wrote in message
news:catamont-B6551C.10440519012002@news.concentric.net...
> In article , "Larry
> Williams"  wrote:
>
> Poor Don, feeling completely splattered, tries another new name.
>
> Sara


Change your name to Spank my Tit Salzman.


--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





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"Sara"  wrote in message
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> In article , "Bill Oates"
>  wrote:
>
>
> Sara
>
> --

--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





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"Sara"  wrote in message
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> In article , "Larry
> Williams"  wrote:
>
>
> Sara
>

--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





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"Sara"  wrote in message
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>
> Sara
>

--
In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial by
American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment by
parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.




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"Sara"  wrote in message
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>
> Sara
>

--
In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial by
American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment by
parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.




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"Sara"  wrote in message
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>
> Sara
>

--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





From nicegoy@eudoramail.com Sat Jan 19 13:18:41 EST 2002
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"Sara"  wrote in message
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>
> Sara
>

--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





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>
> Sara
>

--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





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"Sara"  wrote in message
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>
> Sara
>

--
In the face of mounting scientific evidence, there is persistent denial by
American society of the causes of damage to millions of children who are
thus traumatized and brain damaged as a consequence of cruel treatment by
parents like Sara who are otherwise too busy to love and care for their
babies. It provides a social blanket for Sara, when ask about her son's
erratic behavior she merely passes her hidden faults off as autism.




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From: "Ben Smith" 
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"Sara"  wrote in message
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>
> Sara
>

--
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman





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To my good Friends,

 Loading up the Silver Coach for a two week vacation in the Northwest.
Hoping to enjoy a little hunting and sightseeing. Behave while I'm away. LOL



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As to what exactly, EJ is up to, I can only wonder. For sure tho he's making
us look bad Hilary. -  Jason James







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