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From yawen@enter.net Sat Nov  2 09:31:33 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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>   Hardwire  writes:

>  Is it not also libelous to call Matthias Giwer a criminal without fair
>  trial?

	No.  Truth is always a defense.  It is true that the criminal Giwer is a 
criminal.

>  As such it should be noted that at the time of the post Matthias Giwer
>  was under considerable duress and influenced by anger at the fact that
>  his parents where receiving the unwanted attention of someone out there
>  who had intent to harass Mr. Giwer.  If it were my family being harassed
>  in that manner it would indeed be hard for me to contain my rage even to
>  the point of threatening the only person that I presumed could have done
>  such a thing.

	There was no harassment of the crimal Giwer's family.  There was one 
phone call asking for information.  On the other hand, the criminal Giwer was 
indeed guilty of harassing those with whom he disagreed.  That has been 
documented in the past.  I note as well that, for a reason you have yet to explain, 
you think that the criminal Giwer had a right to be "enraged" yet you do not give 
that same right to those who were the victims of his forgeries.	

>  As for removing all mention of Mr. Giwer from the pages at Nizkor, I can
>  sympathize with it simply because I can place myself in the same
>  situation and the emotional response it would incur from myself wouldn't
>  be as calm and reserved as Mr. Giwer's appears to be in the post
>  mentioned in your reference.

	Yet you do not sympathize with those who were victimized by the 
criminal Giwer.

  
>  As for extortion?  Hardly, for in order for extortion to take place, the
>  side attempting the extortion must have some power over the other.

	You have been listening to the weird legal theories that the criminal 
Giwer likes to propagate.  Extortion is complete when there is a demand for some 
action coupled with a threat of illegal action.  Both were present in this case.  
This is confirmed by the criminal Giwer's 5 meg mailbomb sent to Nizkor in an 
obvious attempt to disrupt their service.



>  In
>  this case it is clear that the two parties are located so far from one
>  another that no physical action could take place without some EXTREME
>  effort.  This merely shows as a threat, made in a moment of emotional
>  duress, and should be treated as such.


	Since it was followed by an actual attempt to illegally disrupt the 
service of Nizkor anybody who dismisses it is an idiot.  Again, "physical" action is 
not required to establish extortion.  Read the law instead of listening to the 
maunderings of the criminal Giwer.

	--YFE




From yawen@enter.net Sat Nov  2 09:31:34 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) writes:
>  Yale F. Edeiken wrote on1 Nov 1996 
>  Date: 1 Nov 1996 03:02:58 GMT
>  Message-ID: <55bp92$kd8@news.enter.net>
>  
>  >   ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) writes:
>  
>  >>      My question was why ship millions of people
>  >>  across Europe to kill them in Birkenau when killing
>  >>  centers were cheap and easy to set-up?
>  
>  > That's your problem.  The rest of the world is asking: "Why kill
>  >millions of people at all?"

>  Are you really such a morally spineless pusillanimous
>  whimp as to have to ask "Why kill millions of people?"

	Yes.  It's a real question.  Your nazi heroes murdered millions of 
people.  It is a reasonable query to ask what their motivation was.

>  Anybody with any brains and/or any decency wouldn't
>  bother to ask such a stupid question.  The answer is
>  that THERE IS NO REASON.

	Then why did they do so?	



>  >"That's your problem" 

>  Well, you are right Yale F. Edeiken,
>  It's my problem, why on February 22, 1943 eleven thousand
>  people were shipped from the railroad stations
>  of Demir-Hisar and Simitli in Thrace to Birkenau.
>  The plight of these people troubles me: I doubt that it
>  troubles  many people but at least most people are 
>  not like Yale F. Edeiken, at least they don't bray out
>  their indifference.

	They were shipped there so that they could be murdered more 
efficiently by your nazi heroes.  Actaully your posts demonstrate that you have no 
concern whatsoever for the victims of nazi murders.



  
>  >The rest of the world is asking:
  
>  Well, Yale F. Edeiken, you show yourself to be a pompous 
>  ignoramus.
>  "The rest of the world", in Cairo, in Jakarta, in Sao Paulo,
>  doesn't know much the Holocaust and isn't asking 
>  about it.

	I so happy that you speak for them.  Incidentally one of the judges 
appointed to the court for the genocide in Bosnia is from Brazil. Are you telling me 
he is not troubled by the motivation for genocide.

  
>  Actually, I doubt that you are a spineless whimp,
>  Yale F. Edeiken.  Your abrasive preamble shows that
>  you probably thought that you were being clever.

	I nailed you.  You apparently have no answer.

  
>   It is more probable that Yale F. Edeiken is an inarticulate 
>  and  boorish dolt who has taken his own limited and
>  self-rightous view and grandiously attributed to
>  "The rest of the World" rather than come up with
>  an intelligent argument.

	You are the one that cannot answer a simple question.  Why did the 
nazis commit genocide.

>       Rather than go to a nice Halloween party Yale F.
>  Edeiken stayed home on October 31st, ate too many
>  miniSnickers, and posted a couplet unique in its
>  pretension, superciliousness and multifarious levels
>  of Stupidity

	Which you are unable to answer.  Come on.  It's a real question.  The 
nazis murdered millions of people.  That is a fact whether you like it or not.  Yet 
you cannot even guess at their motivation.

	This speaks volumes about you own attitudes.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Nov  2 09:31:35 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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>   rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:
  
>  No, for two reasons.
  
>  1. It is true. True statements can not be libelous. They can be malicious
>     invasions of privacy, but that does not apply in this case.

	If you are referring to the the fourth cause of action listed in the 
Restatement of Torts (2d); a statement must be false to constitute a malicious 
invasion of privacy.

>  For more information on how libel cases work, see the decisions saved at
>  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/american/liberty.lobby/legal

	I was surprised at how complete an exposition of the consitutional 
issues of libel these cases are.  Additionally "Anderson v. Liberty Lobby" is one of 
the most complete explanations of how a motion for summary judgment should 
work.  Many state courts have adopted it the law in their states; Pennsylvania 
recently (July 1, 1996) changed the Rules of Civil Procedure to conform with that 
decision.  The one subject that is not covered is status as a "public figure."  
Readers interested in that subject should consult "Gertz v. Welch" a libel suit 
brought by a law professor against the John Birch Society.
  
	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Nov  2 23:15:37 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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>   dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) writes:

  
>      And Mr. Stein has on several occasions laid out in detail his evidence
>      that Giwer is a liar.
  
>      Of course, I can't say whether anything has changed of late as I have
>      quite successfully avoided reading most everything Giwer has written in
>      the last month or so.  (Peace at last - I recommend it for all)

	It's rather pathetic, actually.  he has been reduced to anti-Semitic 
babbling much of which is so incoherent as to be humorous.  He hasn't even 
bothered to invent one of his outrageous lies in a week or so.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Nov  2 23:15:38 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: More Strange Legal Theories From the Criminal Giwer
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>   thisis@forgery.dot (Thisis Aforgery) writes:
>  alec@gryn.org   (Alec Grynspan) wrote:

>  >Like the UL mark or the FDA mark.
  
>  >That judge won't even ask if it meets the standard.
>  
>  >He won't even entertain a defense of "it meets and exceeds their
>  >standard, your honour."

  
>  	However, as you note, this is a civil case of trademark infringement.  It is 
not
>  a criminal matter.  

	No.  It's a case of "fraud."  That is a vioaltion of the criminal law.


  
>  	Criminal law can only apply if the misuse could lead materially harm the 
public,
>  such as a false UL label for a substandard product but the danger would have to
>  be demonstrated and "meets or exceeds" is a valid.  This could apply on 
products
>  that pass the Canadian equivalent of UL are relabeled for sale in the US.  

	Another strange legal theory from the criminal Giwer.  The damages that 
stem from any fraud are that the buyer was induced to spend his/her money on 
something that was not as represented.


>  	As there is no way for anyone to be harmed by eating non-kosher food, 
the
>  government does not have a dog in that fight.  

	If money was taken under flase pretenses, the person was harmed.  
period.  Only an idiot like the criminal Giwer could come up with an off-the-wall legal 
theory like this.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sun Nov  3 08:09:32 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: "Survivor" Abraham Glinowieski-Beaten by the Invisible Man
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>   mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>  In article <54qba4$bu@juliana.sprynet.com>,   
wrote:

>  >Yes, but they did not coincide with the date given by Mr. G.
  
>      Since you do not hesitate to point out when other people fail to
>  answer question I will observe that you did not answer the question: what
>  were those dates?  I would like to know just how far off they were from
>  the date given by Mr. G.

	Come on Mike.  He's obviously a liar.  Weren't all Jews in the KZ 
issued Day Timers to keep track of such things?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) writes:

>      My question was why ship millions of people
>  across Europe to kill them in Birkenau when killing
>  centers were cheap and easy to set-up?

	That's your problem.  The rest of the world is asking: "Why kill millions of 
people at all?"
	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: William Gruber Grosvenor: Bravely Turns & Runs Away
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>   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:

  
>  Boy! That OyVey chap sounds downright interesting... but what
>  does OyVey have to do with "Subject: Re: Mcvay's minion upset!!,"
>  or, for that matter, with alt.revisionism and the Holocaust?
>  (By the way, Mr. Grosvenor, is this increasing use of Yiddish
>  indicative of your Jewish ancestry, or are you just glad to
>  see me?)

	Bite your tongue.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Never In All Hisotry Has The Winning Side Ever Committed  A War Crime
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>   zenoink@ix.netcom.com(Zenoink) writes:

  
>  There is a great deal of anger expressed on this newsgroup even at the
>  idea that perhaps all the terrible suffering of Jews and other people
>  at the hands of the Nazis was not all a single terrible plot.  

	You are incorrect.  The anger is expressed at those -- many of whom have 
an openly anti-Semitic agenda -- who deny that the "terrible suffering" happened at 
all.  A few of these people (cf. Moran, JFB) even deny that there were Jews available 
for the "terrible suffering" at all.

  
>  However, I seems to me much of what happened resulted from a
>  combination of factors: political expedience (blame all difficulties on
>  the Jews), quick "solutions" (push them all out of the country), action
>  without responsbility (dump them in Lublin without food or shelter; how
>  they survive is not our problem), and later power and policy struggles
>  within the Nazi regime.

	Your theory is known as "functionalism."  Althought there has been a lot of 
criticism of Arno Mayer, the foremost proponent of that theory, I can recall no one 
who has stated that it is not, at least, an arguable position.

>  So did the belief that if one just "followed orders" everyting would be
>  okay.  After all, why would anyone command you to kill if it was not
>  just or necessary? Goldhagen is too focused on just one group's culture
>  and not enough on the process by which people came to kill.  

	I have referred to Tom Segev's study of the KZ commanders, "Soldiers of 
Evil" several times.  You might be interested in reading it.

	--YFE


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>   dvdthomas@aol.com (DvdThomas) writes:
>  Charming little note in my mailbox today.  Anybody know anything about
>  this guy?  Would appreciate the info.

>  fuck off, nazi scum

>  David Thomas
>  CODOH (http://www.codoh.com/)

	Yes.  he's a jerk from some place in Canada who ususally like to annoy 
the criminal Giwer.  Now he seems to be imitating him.

	Was it Neimoller who made the comment that started "When they came 
for the Communists, I was not a Communist . . . . .?"

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: U.L. tax on gentiles safty! (was Re: Aluminum foil contains pork?)
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) wrote:
 
>  >Actually, "kurt,"  all the law says is "if you claim it on your product it 
>  >must be true."  So this "kosher" law is actually just a form of truth in 
>  >advertising law, which has NOTHING to do with religion at all.  
>  >For example, were we to package your brain for sale it would be illegal to 
>  >label it "high grade" or "prime" because that would be lying.  
  
>  It is a state law enforcing a religious standard which Jews only may dictate the
>  definition of.  Only Jews have specific state laws for their religion which they 
control a
>  subjective standard.

	About time you learned the truth, Stonehead.  The majority of those who 
keep kosher in the U.S. are not Jewish nor are kosher laws exclusively Jewish either 
in their definition or application.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: More Wayout Jewish Numbers
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  	Here we have the rabbi denigrating other religions as pointed out
>  in the original post.

	You were lying.

>  	Getaneh found refuge in the Washington-area home of Michael
>  Horowitz, and American Jew who has spearheaded the effort to bring
>  attention to the plight of persecuted Christians around the world."
  
>  	So here we have the usual 'Jew to the rescue' theme in spite of a
>  myriad of other incidents where Jews have made aggressive attacks on
>  Christianity

	You are lying again.


>  Holocaust, or the wide spread attacks on the display of the cross and
>  Christmas symbols by Jews while stamping their feet for the right of
>  the menorah to stand alone as the only one legitimate for display.

	You haven't given up on this particular lie, have you?  Or are you still 
labeling the KKKK as a "Jewish group."

        
>  	Even within the article under review, the writer of the article
>  James P. Pinkerton, a "lecturer at the Graduate School of Political
>  Management at George Washington University" found it necessary to cite
>  the "Inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials and singled out Islamic
>  regimes, Islam the enemies of the Jews.

	Another lie.
  
	It should be pointed out that l'il tommy is a virulent anti-Semite whose lies 
have often been exposed.

	It should alos be pointed out that l'il tommy is a rather gutless individual 
who, although, he has repeatedly challenged others to demonstrate his lies has 
refused to even answer any acceptance of his challenges.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Nov  5 17:45:22 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   nizkor@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Nizkor Canada) writes:
>  Archive/File: people/f/fogelman.eva/climate.002
>  Last-Modified: 1994/12/22

>     "Luitgard Wundheiler remembered how her father, a judge in Marburg,
>     Germany, weighed the matter. In 1936, her father had just received
>     the letter sent to all German civil servants asking him to join the
>     Nazi Party by signing a loyalty oath. He discussed it with his wife
>     and then called the fourteen-year-old Wundheiler into his study. He
>     gave her the letter to read and asked her if she thought he should
>     sign. To her, his choice was clear: he should not sign it because
>     to do so would be a lie and he never lied. Fifty-seven years later,
>     Wundheiler still remembered the judicial clarity with which her
>     father presented exactly what was at stake:

	This is an interesting post for a number of reasons.  There was almost no 
resistance from the judiciary to the crimes of the Third Reich.   There were only two 
judges executed for crimes against the Reich, Dr. Karl Sack (murdered February 4, 
1945 at the Flossenburg KZ) and Dr. Johann von Dohnanyi (murdered April 8, 1945 
at Sachenhausen).  Both of these men were killed becasue of their participation in 
plots against Hitler rather than professional conduct.  As one historian who has 
studied the way in which the judiciary cooperated with the Third Reich wrote:

	"No matter how hard one searches for stout-hearted men among the 
judges of the Third Reich, for judges who refused to serve the regime from the 
bench, there remains a grand total of one: Dr. Lothar Kreyssig, judge of the Court of 
Guardianship in Brandenburg on the Havel.  Other, less striking cases of judicial 
resistance to Nazi terror must surely have occurred now and then, and remain to be 
discovered.  Yet they are far from representative of German judges, the 
overwhelming majority of whom shared responsibility for the terror."

	"Hitler's Justice: the Courts of the Third Reich"  Ingo Muller (translated by 
Deborah Lucas Schneider (original title "Furchtbare Juristen")(Harvard Press; 1991) 
page 196

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Nov  6 07:54:02 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>  In article <55jhlo$kvk@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:

>  >       They are Danish citizens.  "Repatriating" them means sending them 
>  >back to Denmark.
  
>  Hm the USA was multiethnic right from it's inception. Denmark has always
>  been homogenous. Denmark is the Danes and the Danes are Denmark. A few 
other
>  closely related individuals slipped in through the centuries and became 
>  totally assimilited or absorbed. That is all.

	Still no answer.  And not even true.  By the way nazi boy, a Danish 
friend of has pointed out that Krieberg is not really a Danish name.  If you nazi laws 
are put into effect, you might be one of those rounded up for a concentration 
camp.

	--YFE



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

>   This solution may not be practicable in regard to the USA. The USA should 
>  be divided into several independent ethnic countries which gradually should 
>  be made ethnic homogenous. (Through the exchange of the population)

	You are an amazing little animal, nazi boy.  This might come as a schock 
to you but, by and large, Americans are quite happy with out country.

	Please do your nazi routine about your own country.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

  
>  	Mister Mittleman, the head article also makes a point about the
>  ethnocentric lie that the Jews went on a huge conversion program that
>  resulted in 8 million (8,000,000) people coming to join the Hebrew
>  movement by the 1st Century. Mr.Edeiken gave it shot


	Yes.  I quoted one of the leading historians of the period Michael Grant 
, who states in "The Jews in Roman World" that there were 8,000.000 Jews 
alive in the First Century.  The noted historian Salo Baron gives a similar figure.


> I responded and
>  he never came back to challenge my calling his bluff.

	What bluff, asshole?  You made a statement that is total nonsense and 
I quoted two prominent historians.  You have yet to challenge those figures with 
anything more substantial than the single syllable "duh."

>  	Mister Mittleman, when it comes to all things Jewish, you can see
>  no evil, hear no evil or speak no evil. Mister Mittleman, you are
>  ethnocentrically insane. That's the problem with massive
>  indoctrination that is there to await the life emerging from the womb.
>  It knows not.

	When it comes to Jews, Ms. Moran, you lie and lie consistently.   That 
is becasue you are a liar and an anti-Semite.

	--YFE


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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  >	Go back to lying about your colleagues, the Freeman brothers.

>  You are a liar, Yale.  The Freeman brothers weren't NA.   If anything they were 
Zionists.

	We have been over this before.  But since you insist on making a fool of 
yourself.  Not only have the Freeman brothers, their counsel, the prosecutors, and 
the court stated that the brothers Freeman were members of the NA but so do their 
teachers.  During the suppression hearing for their vidoetaped confession (during 
which they stated they were members of the NA) several of their teachers testified 
to demonstrate their low intellectual attainment (about par for the course with NA 
members).  During cross examination several stated that the sub-normal scholastic 
performance did not begin until after they began to devote their time to their 
"cause."  One testifed about how they cut classes to distribute NA literature in the 
school.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Nov  8 10:58:26 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>  In article <55p2p7$41d@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:

>  >       That's *your* standard.  Others might have different ideas about 
>  >johnny-come-lately phony Danes like you.

>    My standard is in line with other Danish patriots.

	Considering that you have informed us that the nazi scum of the NA are 
also "patriots," it probably a good supposition that the Danish "patriots" with which 
you associate could hold a convention in a telephone booth and not fill it up.

	My Danish informant tells me that that the tale about the origin of your 
name is as phony as a three dollar bill.  Apparently it was quite common for 
immigrants to adopt names like those to cover up their real heritage during some 
local conflict in the middle of the 19th century.  Good luck waiting for "repatriation" 
at the concentration camp when the other Danish "patriots" come for you.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   varange@crl.com (Troy Varange) writes:

 
>  > I told Yale to get an NA member to verify his lie that the Freeman 
>  > brothers were NOT NA members.  I did and I posted it.   As it turned 
>  > out the Freeman brothers AREN'T NA and Rich Graves and Yale are both 
>  > lying as usual.
  
>  Perhaps the initial TV and newspaper reports said they were NA
>  members and never reported their discovery in a followup that 
>  they were found not to be members.

	Unfortunately that is not the case.  Counsel for the brothers Freeman 
filed a Motion in Limine (a pre-trial motion in which the court is asked to bar 
mention of certain facts because the prejudical effect would outweigh the 
probative value) requesting that the prosecution be barred from mentioning of their 
membership in the NA.  The prosecution fought the motion on the grounds that 
their membership in the NA was one of the factors in the conflict with their parents. 
 Larry Brenner, the judge, did bar the proposed testimony.

	In other words Stele and the rest of the NA crowd are lying.


	--YFE	


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
  
>  	Moran had recently gone bye, bye. To points east. One of which
>  was Pennsylvania, where he visited Valley Forge, the winter camp of
>  the Continental Army of George Washington.

	This should be interesting.  Will l'il tommy use the same standards as he 
utilizes when talking about the Holocaust?

>  	While there Moran wondered into the Park's book shop, where he
>  proceeded to buy a few books, one of which was a small
>  semi-illustrated diary account of what took place at the site between
>  Dec. 20, 1777 and May 16, 1778.

	No author is listed.  No original source is listed.  We do not even get the 
name of the book so we can chack on l'il tommy's interpretations.
  
>  December 26, 1777
  
>  	The snow is now to our ankles. More men fall sick every day, and
>  their moans can be heard in the cold, dark night. ... Were it not for
>  George Washington, we would surely lose heart. He endures the same
>  conditions we suffer. What he can bear, we can bear, too. Surely with
>  such a leader we can not fail.

	How interesting.  Joseph Plumb Martin reports no snow on this date.  In 
fact, he was out romping in the fields with some local women.  He slept out this 
night and notes no snow.  Jerimiah Greenman reports no snow although he  reports 
weather conditions.  His entry for this period is "nothing very Remarkeble [sic].  His 
first mention of snow is for January 1-8 when he reports "Sum Small Spits of Snow 
[sic]"  Albigence Waldo mentions no snow.  The orderly books for the First 
Pennsylvania Brigade mentions no snow; the orderly book for the First 
Pennsylvania Regiment has an entry for 16 January stating "first fall of snow."

	Apparently they trucked in l'il tommy's snow from some other state.  I 
guess we can discount this "eye witness" totally.
  
>  	The diary ends up around May, 5, 1778:
  
>  	"A friend of mine, Sergeant Jones, tells me we now have more than
>  11,000 men fit for duty at Valley Forge. This brings us much joy ...
>  But it is a sober thought that during our 'winter dispair' more than
>  3,000 men died."

	How unusual 3,000 dead, you say.  Where is your forensic evidence.  In 
all the archeological work done at Valley Forge not a single burial has ever been 
found.  3,000 dead and not a single bone anywhere.

	Where are they Moran: Show us a single grave. 

  	And l'il tommy skips over a point or two.  The buildings at Valley Forge 
are all "reconstructions."  Every damn one is a phony.  They are the wrong size.  
They are made of the wrong materials.  The architecture is nonsense. They are 
oriented incorrectly.  They are spaced incorrectly.  Most are not even in the right 
place.  Yet l'il tommy doesn't seem to mind.

	There is even a working bake oven next to the bogus huts on the 
campgrounds of Varnum's brigade that are utter fakes.  Does l'il tommy protest?  

	Can you imagine what l'il tommy's reaction would be if the same crass 
stupidities were written about Auschwitz or if the inaccurate "reconstructions" 
erected?


>       Now here we are, 200 years later, with this Holocaust lie oozing
>  through our system and it's pro-dependents conspiring to keep it from
>  being openly questioned, to make it's question socially incorrect, to
>  have it made a part of every school curriculum, and even to make any
>  doubts a crime.

	What we have is historical truth.  A commodity which you filter through 
your vicious prejudice.  You are, as usual, a liar and an anti-Semite.

	--YFE


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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

  
>  I told Yale to get an NA member to verify his lie that the Freeman brothers were 
NOT NA
>  members.  I did and I posted it.   As it turned out the Freeman brothers AREN'T 
NA and
>  Rich Graves and Yale are both lying as usual.

	Why would anyone care what some random member of the NA is lying 
about now?

	BTW, considering how some NA members -- notably the brothers 
Freeman -- react when their parents object to their membership in the NA, how do 
your react?  Do they do a dull strip search when you go home or are they content 
with a metal detector?

	--YFE


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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  Actually, er no.  America had slaves and Indians but it WAS homogenous in 
that its
>  non-White population was marginalized and prohibited from participation.   
The United was
>  created for Whites and by Whites.   Undoubtedly, George Washington did 
not fight Brits
>  just to hand over the land gratuitously to any invasions of third-world biped 
that drifts
>  onto an America shore.


	Don't you find it a bit odd that about 10% of Washington's army -- 
especially at the end of the Revolution -- was composed of Afro-Americans and 
that the Continental Line was totally integrated?

	--YFE  



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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>  In article <55mfib$dsp@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:

  
>  >And not even true.  By the way nazi boy, a Danish 
>  >friend of has pointed out that Krieberg is not really a Danish name.  
  
>   Yes it is Danish but not a very common name. If it were not Danish please
>  answer your Danish friend where would it originate from then. The correct 
>  answer is that it originates from a Danish village by the name Krejbjerg 
>  (in Jutland on the Salling peninsular). Only the spelling has been 
>  changed a little.

	It's phony.
  
>  >If you nazi laws 
>  >are put into effect, you might be one of those rounded up for a concentration 
>  >camp.
  
>   You mean that I or my parents have got their citizensship after 1965 and
>  that we ethnic and culturally originate from the third world. Negative
>  lawyer-boy, negative.

	That's *your* standard.  Others might have different ideas about 
johnny-come-lately phony Danes like you.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (Month
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Further he has not demonstrated their connection to Judaism.  He is 
>  >apparently unaware that a majority of those who keep the kosher laws for 
religious 
>  >reasons are not Jewish.
  
>  The state laws specifically enforce Jewish kosher laws.

	You haven't yet  cited a single law that enforces "kosher" laws.  Now 
you're telling us the laws specify "Jewish" kosher laws?

	Go back to lying about your colleagues, the Freeman brothers.


	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars...
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>   ceacaa@aol.com writes:
  
>  Mark Van Alstine wrote on
>  08 Nov 1996 
  
>  > The value of sequestered Jewish assets (_u"berwachtes
>  >Judenvermo"gen_) in reichmark is indicated in Table 57.
>  > We should hasten
>  >to add that the banks were slow in reporting 
>  >Jewish accounts; therefore
>  >the amount of cash in the banks ...
>  >TABLE 57 / Value of Sequestered Jewish Assets [Ibid. p.386.]

>  >Mr. Allen, it would be nice if you did some rudimentary 
>  >_research_ before you
>  >blather your idiocy across the 'Net!   
>  [snip rest of Mark's comments]

>     Here Mark, is a definition of that big word you obviously
>  don't understand.   Think about this for a few minutes.
>  3. Law. a. To take temporary possession of (property) as security against
>  legal claims. 
>      "Temporary possession"

	Yes.  But there are other definitions as well.   Black's Law Dictionary 
states that the definition when used in the context of "international law" means:  
"To confiscate; to appropriate private property to public use; to sieze the property 
of the private citizens of a hostile power, as when a belligerent nation sequesters 
debts due from its own subjects to the enemy."  Black's also gives the definition 
for "sequestration" under international law as "The seizure of the property of an 
individual and the appropriation of it to the use of the government."  (Black's Law 
Dictionary, 4th edition) 


>  Any significant property of deported Jews was to 
>  be "sequestered".  Sequestion is a form of trust.
>  The whole German legal system relating to
>  sequestered property was one of trust.  Certain
>  debts and expenses were to be paid out but
>  the system presumed that the remainder would
>  be returned to its owners.

 	You are incorrect.  See above.

>  Your quote shows that the property was put
>  in trust and managed.  Other reports show that
>  some was returned.

	You are incorrect.  See above.




>      Maybe the debts were unfair or the property
>  too slowly accounted for but the legal system
>  which handled the majority of Jewish property
>  was based on the assumption that it would be
>  returned.  This is in conflict with the general
>  Holocaust story and your so-called
>  calculations of "profit" in particular.




	But your explanation is in flat contradiction to the general usage of 
international law.  Perhaps before you build your castles in the air you should do 
some real research.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   ccarp@concept.net (Chris Carpenter) writes:

>  Yes, I am a free speech advocate.  But show me, John, where did I
>  endorse Giwers methods? 

	In this post.


>  John, the killfile tactic didn't work - Giwer got around it and won.
>  His forgery strategy didn't work - you won. And so it will continue,
>  tit 4 tat.  Giwer took you all on, single handedly!

	And lost.

	But since you are so fond of his illegal and improper tactics perhaps 
you would like to propose a title for him.  "Lord of the Flies" has been taken.  
Would you accept "King of the Cockroachs?"

	--YFE
  



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (Month
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

  
>  >If Yale is lying, Kurt, it should prove very easy for you to
>  >prove it. Your failure to do so, indeed, your failure to back up
>  >any of your assertions, makes it evident who the liar is.
  
>  Call the NA.  Talk to an NA member.  E-mail them.  You'll find out the above is 
a lie.
>  View any newspaper article about the Freeman brothers.   There is no mention 
they were
>  National Alliance.

	The Allentown Morning Call had several articles which traced their 
membership in the NA.


>  They did not claim or admit they were NA.

	In fact, they did both.  They filed verified pleadings with the Court of 
Common Pleas of Lehigh County stating that they were members of the NA.  
Moreover, they stated that they were involved with the NA in the videotaped 
statement they made in Michigan after their arrest.

>   There was an extensive
>  investigation conducted into their backgrounds for evidence of a concerted 
effort.

	There certainly was.  The District Attorney of Lehigh County opposed 
the motion filed by the brothers Freeman on the grounds that no only were they 
members of the NA but he wanted to present his evidence that they were during 
the trial to establish motives for the murders.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Nov 11 07:04:04 PST 1996
Article: 79106 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   Keith Morrison  writes:

>  Roux indicates that his marching and wearing a swastika were a form
>  of protest, much like American students might port a red star or
>  hammer and sickle during Vietnam, which is an entirely plausible
>  explanation.

	If plausible it does not speak well for Roux.  I was one of those 
marching and protesting agqainst the Vietnam War.  Red stars and the soviet flag 
were so rare I can remember none even when the chant was "Ho, Ho, Ho Chi 
Minh."  Furthermore the marshalls of any march (and I was one) would have 
discouraged any such display.  We were protesting becasue we thought our 
country was wrong, not becasue we wanted to see it lose.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: 961107: The story of the Jukes
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>   zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) writes:

>  "Here we give an American example, which has its parallels in Europe:  From
>  one lazy vagabond named Juke, born in rural New York in 1720, whose two

	The myth of the Jukes (and the Kallikaks) has long since been 
debunked both as fraudulent and as psuedo-science of the worst variety.  One  
account of the fraud can be found in "The Mismeasure of Man" by Stephen 
Gould.  The only people who place any credence in it are the credulous sort 
-- like Alex Baron -- who try to sort the races by the quality of ear wax.

	Ingrid is, of course, no novice at flogging such hokum to her true 
believers.  I suppose her next defense of her nazi heroes will be an essay in 
praise of phrenology,

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:

>  No sir, neither do you, nor did I claim to. What a fatuous remark.
>  However, I do gather from your comment that either you are not
>  British, though you are in Britain, that you do not associate yourself
>  with British culture, or that you do not have the British qualities
>  that I mentioned. 

	If British "culture" includes lying, extortion, harassment, forgery, and 
invasion of privacy as acceptable behavior, than I have another reason to be 
thankful for the American Revolution.


>  You are one of those mentally puny people who cannot even manage to
>  fight an argument on the internet without running to complain when you
>  don't get your own way. 

	Fergus tells us: "How dare you complain to the police just becasue this 
fine person broke into your house and ransacked it."


>You must consider yourself a nothing and a
>  nobody to have to resort to such measures.

	I consider myself the victim of a crime.  I was.


> I pity anyone with such a
>  lack of self-conviction, such a knowledge of their own incapacity that
>  they need to act this way. Can't you even have an argument or two on
>  the internet without crying and slinking off to whimper your
>  complaints to somebody bigger than you to do your fighting for you?

	Fergus tells us: "If you were a real man you would have gone out and 
hunted down the man who burglarized your house rather than complaining to the 
police."

> At
>  least Mr Giwer has guts - something you obviously lack.

	The criminal Giwer had the backbone of a jellyfish.  If your view of life 
is that his activities showed "courage"  I suggest you read a bit of Houseman.  
The sickness *is* in your soul.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Cremation Rates
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>   ccarp@concept.net (Chris Carpenter) writes:
>   On Sun, 10 Nov 1996 06:22:32 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
>  Alstine) wrote:

>  >Another silly Moranic (tm) lie bites the dust:
>  >
>  >"...The temperature at which cremations are done vary based upon the
>  >retort manufacturer, but most machines operate between 1,500 to 1,900
>  >degrees F. The actual cremation time again varies depending upon the type
>  >of machine. Low capacity retorts take approximately 3 hours to complete a
>  >cremation while high capacity machines take less than one hour. In
>  >addition to the type of retort, the size of the individual and the number
>  >of cremations conducted during the day also affect the time. For example,
>  >in the retort we operate, the first cremation of the day takes about two
>  >hours and the second takes about an hour. That is because the retort
>  >already has a high internal temperature at the beginning of the second
>  >cremation...." 

>   Excuse me for sticking my OHV in here but...
>  My understanding was that the incinerators used coke as fuel and
>  therefore ran at much lower temperatures than you refer to above.
>  That's 500F to 700F degrees less than todays retorts.  Lower temps.
>  equate to slower burning rates.

	The comparison between a modern commercial crematory and the 
operations at Auschwitz is complicated by the different purposes of the operations. 
 At Auschwitz the objective was to cremate as many bodies as possible in the 
shortest amount of time.  A modern crematory is a commercial operation rarely, if 
ever, used to full capacity. 

	The procedures, therefore, are different.  A modern crematory is not used 
for continuous cremations or at maximum efficiency.  They are cooled down after 
every use to completely clean all ashes from the interior. (An interesting reason can 
be found in the book "Dead Men Do Tell Tales"  One chapter was devoted to a 
lawsuit in Florida where the crematory was charged with comingling ashes.) and 
the cadavers are placed in a cool retort which -- to minimize damage to the lining 
brick -- is heated slowly to the burning temperature.    Whatever advantage is 
gained by a "hotter" furnace is lost in this cycling time.

	 Another factor is environmental regulation.   A crematory operated to 
minimize cremation time is more likely to produce pollution.  A slower cremation time 
allows the pollution control equipment to function more efficiently.  This was not 
much of a concern at Auschwitz (or anywhere else at that time where copious 
amounts of smoke and smell were considered a sign of industrial health).

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   Chuck Ferree  writes:

>  Thank you very much. It makes me feel very good. I could be blase 
>  about your posts, but it means a great deal to me, and to all the 
>  other men who just did their jobs. I remember as a little kid, when on 
>  November 11th. there was always a big parade in my home 
>  town...Tucson...lots of bands, soldiers marching, veterans marching, 
>  the Main street would be wall to wall people, all waving little flags. 
>  It always sent chills up and down my spine. Today, we have "Veterans 
>  Day Sales" The paper and TV runs many ads and commercials trying to 
>  sell everything. No parades, no military music, no flag waving...just 
>  memories for guys like me, and I think of all my buddies, who lie 
>  buried someplace in Europe or just never came back from their last 
>  missions.
  
>  Thanks again to you very nice people.

	As a sad and unpleasant footnote there was a small news item on CNN 
today.  Approximately 1/3 of homeless men in the U.S. are veterans.

	--YFE


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	One of the consistent claims of the "revisionists' is that they just want 
everybody to examine the murder of millions of Jews just as any other historical 
event is analyzed.  The problem is, of course, that they do not do so.  No clearer 
example of this can be found than the Tom Moran, whose writings are redolent of 
anti-Semitism.  Recently Moran, like most other scoundrels do eventually, wrapped 
himself in the American flag and, dishing out his usual reeking stew of lies and 
bigotry,  used the stay of the Continental Army at Valley Forge as a springboard for 
his criticism of Jews.

	The winter encampment at Valley Forge from December 1777 through 
June 1778 is indeed a crucial event in American history.  According to 
conventional historians it was there that the Continental Army finally took form as a 
coherent fighting force.  Without that encampment the Revolution would have 
failed.  It can be said that if it can be proved that the Valley Forge story is a lie, the 
American War for Independence can be exposed as well as a lie.

	The question is, therefore, did Moran use the same standards in 
examining Valley Forge as he does when he makes his idiotic statements about 
Auschwitz.  The answer is simple and obvious.  He does not.

	Moran presented us with eye witness testimony about what happened at 
Valley Forge.  After relating how someone stood around in ankle deep snow three 
weeks *before* the first snow storm of the winter, Moran told us that over 3000 
individuals died of the hardships inflicted by the mildest winter of that century.  We 
already have reason to doubt that figure.  Although Valley Forge has been a park 
(first state and now federal) for well over a century and has been extensively 
examined by historians and archeologists, no burials have ever been found.  None. 
 Not a single grave.  3,000 dead men and not a single stray cranium or interred 
pelvis has been found.  You cannot dig up a gas pipe on First Street in Bethlehem, 
Pennsylvania and not find the grave of a soldier of the Revolution.  Yet at Valley 
Forge where, Moran claims, over 3,000 died not a single femur has been found.

	Moran admits this.  He has been challenged to show us some forensic 
evidence of those deaths.  He has remained silent.  His silence can only be 
interpreted as a confirmation.

	Since we have established that there were no burials at Valley Forge let 
us take a look at the numbers.  George Washington's army consisted of 1,550 
officers and 8,808 enlisted men when he entered Valley Forge in December, 1777 
(returns of the Continental Army reported in "The Sinews of Independence: 
Monthly Strength Reports of the Continental Army"  Charles Lesser, Univ. of 
Chicago, 1976).  These were young and healthy men hardened by over a year of a 
tough military campaign.  The winter was mild; there was almost no snow and 
the spring began early in late February.  Yet we are expected to believe that 1/3 of 
those men perished of disease and privation.  Simple common sense reveals that 
this number is ridiculous.  This is especially true when we look at the later returns.

	Moran has been challenged to defend his silly numbers.  Will he remain 
silent?  Having picked a fight will he, as usual, cut and run?

	Sorry, l'il tommy.  This will not go away.  You are one  "revisionists" 
whose hypocrisy will be exposed.  The more you remain silent, the worse it will 
become. 

	--YFE


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>   justin49@nwlink.com (justin) writes:

  
>  Actually, they were not defaming Nizkor, or Jamie McCarthy. Do you really
>  think a group of students could possibly give justice to the revisionist
>  arguments?

	No.  it would take a group of experts.  It's too bad that Larry, Curly, and 
Moe are dead.  They could have done it.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Is Kreiberg a Fake Dane?
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>  In article <55u87s$d7b@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:

>  >       My Danish informant tells me that that the tale about the origin of your 
>  >name is as phony as a three dollar bill.  
  
>  >Apparently it was quite common for 
>  >immigrants to adopt names like those to cover up their real heritage during 
some 
>  >local conflict in the middle of the 19th century.  
  
>   Gee in Denmark? The only violent conflict there was in Denmark in the 
>  middle of the 19th century was between Germans and Danes in Southern 
Denmark 
>  - The 3 Years War (1848-51). Now why would e.g. a German immigrant cover 
his
>  real heritage by taking a name that to Danish ears sound rather German.

	Since that is, apparently what was done , why don't you tell us.
  
>  >Good luck waiting for "repatriation" 
>  >at the concentration camp when the other Danish "patriots" come for you.

>   So far the other Danish patriots have only asked whether I would 
>  like to run as a candidate for the municipality- and county election next
>  year. I have had several meetings with them and they have never mentioned 
>  anything about my name.  

	Perhaps this is more evidence of the basic stupidity of the neo-nazis 
you hang around with.  I am sure, by the way, that Danish voters include in their 
prayers every night a supplication that some scruffy little nazi with a racist 
ideology repugnant to all that is decent in western civilization will run for office.  
Be sure to tell us how your speeches in which you advocate having vigilantes 
round up those who you don't like and throw them in concentration camps or tell 
the voters how nauseated you are whenever you hear of how the Jewish 
population of Denmark was saved.  Or is throwing rotten fruit an American 
custom?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Nov 13 06:29:06 PST 1996
Article: 79362 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: statistics and statistics
Date: 13 Nov 1996 00:43:41 GMT
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>   Chris Whittington  writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
 
>  > 	A very good study of the movements of Jewish populations *after* World 
>  > War II can be found in "America and the Survivors of the Holocaust" Leonard 
>  > Dinnerstein, Columiba University Press 1982, which -- dispite of its title -- has 
very 
>  > complete statistics.  Dinnerstein deals both with immigration figures of Jewish 
>  > survivors with an emphasis on both Palestine and the U.S.  He also discusses 
and 
>  > demonstrates the problems with dealing with the differences ib statistics 
maintained 
>  > by the various agencies and governments dealing with DPs.
  
>  Do you have a summary ?
  
>  Something laid out similar to the original posting (the anonymous
>  photocopies going into German schools) eg. country by country figures ?

	Unfortunately, the study is a complex one.  There is an appendix with 
about 16 tables that summarizes his findings.  If you e-mail me an address, I will be 
glad to copy that appendix for you.  Be warned that I can be slow about copying 
things.
  
>  And maybe with some adjustment indicators for 'natural' population
>  changes ?

	Dinnerstein did not examine this aspect of the population movements.  
You might, however, be interested in one table wich compares the ages of the 
DPs on arrival compared with the U.S. population.  It should be noted, however, 
that the figures are for DPs which does not automatically translate to survivors of 
the Holocaust.  About 45% of the DPs, for example, were indentified as Catholics.

	--YFE


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Article: 79363 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: statistics and statistics
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>   "Chris Whittington"  writes:

  
>  But this is not quite the point that the original figures made.
>  
>  Are there figures of jewish populations from the period before Hitler/WWII,
>  ie
>  around or before 1993; and then for the period after WWII /
>  Palestine->Israel, 
>  allowing time for the chaos to subside, populations to settle down in
>  place,
>  census or reasonable methods of population counting to be carried out ?

>  Sorry, but I didn't read the newsgroup at that time.
>  What was the situation for jewish immigration into the USA *after* the war
>  ? Presumably the people claiming 'no holocaust' would argue that jewish
>  population movement took place from the camps and eastern regions *after*
>  WWII, and also after the British left Palestine in 1948.

	A very good study of the movements of Jewish populations *after* World 
War II can be found in "America and the Survivors of the Holocaust" Leonard 
Dinnerstein, Columiba University Press 1982, which -- dispite of its title -- has very 
complete statistics.  Dinnerstein deals both with immigration figures of Jewish 
survivors with an emphasis on both Palestine and the U.S.  He also discusses and 
demonstrates the problems with dealing with the differences ib statistics maintained 
by the various agencies and governments dealing with DPs.

	The movement of Jewish survivors into the U.S. was quite slow and 
resulted in several congressional investigations and a special Presidential order.  If 
you cannot find Dinnerstein's book you might start with one of the most important 
documents -- the Report of Earl G. Harrison to President Truman in 1945.  It can 
be found at "The Department of State Bulletin" 13:456-73 (1945)  which should be 
available at most university libraries.  It has very few numbers but gives a good 
idea of the scope of the problem.

	--YFE


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Article: 79368 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Certain Perspective
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes

>	Since you have come out and identified yourself as one of the
>  parties mentioned above, and you state the circumstances of the
>  "retraction", maybe you should come out and post the particulars,
>  complete with that exact accounts from any posts involved to show your
>  demand to be justified.

	Apparently you are studying at the criminal Giwer's school of bullshit 
again.

	You are are a gutless sack of scum  . . . . and you know it.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Nov 14 08:01:23 PST 1996
Article: 79446 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Tom Moran: "Revisionist" Wacko
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
  
>  	I thank Mr.Edeiken for his statement doubting the reality of the
>  American Revolution.

	Wherezat?  I have just applied the methods *you* use to a generally 
accepted historic event.  Exactly what you dishonestly represent as a real 
methodlogy.

> I stand up for Mr.Edieken's right to question
>  anything, including his doubts the American Revolution ever took place
>  and that any lives were lost. I do not have any special words for his
>  view, like "anti-Semitism" which is applied to those who reveal their
>  attitudes and opinions about the Holocaust or any other Jewsih
>  activity.

	You have earned that label with you lying, your bigotry, and your lack 
of reasoning ability.

> All I have is 'Thanks' Mr.Edeiken, for your precident
>  example that seriously challenges any objections to Holocaust
>  revisionism.

	Other than the fact that this sentence is meaningless in the English 
language, it once more show your lack of reading skills.  It's not that you haven't 
a clue, l'il tommy, it's that you haven't a clue that you haven't a clue.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Tom Moran -- "Revisionist" Loon
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	"Revisionists" claim that when they wholesale their lies all they are 
doing is looking at the Holocaust as they would any other historical event.  
Clearly if their methodology reveals strange results when other historical events, a 
strong suspicion arises that the results it yields when applied to the Holocaust are 
equally faulty.

	Tom Moran -- a liar and an anti-Semite -- gave us an starting point when 
after wandering through Valley Forge Park he used the brave men who camped 
there as a springboard for his bigotry.  One of his main sources was an unamed 
book proporting to be the diary of an unnamed soldier.  That is, all he gave us 
was an eye-witness account.  This supposed eye-witness account began with the 
alelged eye-witness standing around in six inches of snow 21 days before the first 
snowfall at Valley Forge.   To recap the bidding:

	1.  By denier standards, Moran quoted a proven liar.

	2.  The fellow also told us that 3000 men died at Valley Forge.  But he 
produces no physical evidence of that.  In fact, archeologists and historians have 
not found a sigle grave in the vicinity of Valley Forge.

	3.  We know that Washington took 1550 officers and 8808 enlisted 
men into Valley Forge in December 1777.  Thus Moran would have us believe 
that 1/3 of an campaign hardened army composed of men in the prime of life died 
in a short period of time in mild weather conditions.

	There are so far three reasons, using "revisionist" logic to doubt that 
the encampment at Valley Forge ever happened.  But that is just the beginning.

	Just as there are muster reports for December 1777, there are muster 
reports for May 1778 -- the last month that Washington allegedly spent at Valley 
Forge.  ("The Sinews of Independence"  C. Lesser; Univ. of Chicago; 1976).  
"Revisionist" logic and simple arithmetic would dictate that about 7000 men would 
be left.   Surprise!  In May 1778 there were 1144 officers and 12,682 enlisted men 
in Washington's army.  Yes, that's what Moran tells us.  10358 minus 3000 equals 
*13,826.*  The loss of 3,000 men from death (remember we are not even counting 
desertions) yields an extra 3,000 men.

	And Moran asks that we take his anonymus eye-witness at face value!

	No "revisionist" has yet to come forward to challenge either the facts or 
the manner in which their methodology has been used.

	And I have not even scratched the surface.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Tom Moran: "Revisionist" Wacko
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  >	Other than the fact that this sentence is meaningless in the English 
>  >language, it once more show your lack of reading skills.  It's not that you 
haven't 
>  >a clue, l'il tommy, it's that you haven't a clue that you haven't a clue.

>  	It means, Mr.Edeiken, that you have taken it on yourself to doubt
>  any realities of the American Revolution and that you shouldn't find
>  it so obnoxious that people doubt the Holocaust.

	You still don't have a clue, do you?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Nov 16 07:00:17 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   *@*.* (* *) writes:
>  klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>  >Oh sure. Everyday you see any number of Zionists running around
>  >with Swastika's tatooed on their necks.
  
>  	When did you make up the lie about the tattoos and why did you make it 
up?  I
>  mean, did you get some satisfaction in making it up?  

	Not really.  Brian Freeman had a very ornate swastika on the right side of 
his face.
  
>  >If Yale is lying, Kurt, it should prove very easy for you to
>  >prove it. Your failure to do so, indeed, your failure to back up
>  >any of your assertions, makes it evident who the liar is.

>  	As easy as it will be for you to prove the tattoo claim, that is.  

	It's very easy to prove.  The swastika tatoo was very much in evidence 
when videotapes were made in Michigan and broadcast on CNN.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Vomits a Few More Lies
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>   email@add.ress (Full Name) writes:

>  	Report me to the police, jewboy.  You have already said you are not
>  going to do that, that you prefer to continue lying in public and
>  bearing false witness to others like a good jew.   


	No I will continue to tell the truth and have you made persona non 
grata on every ISP silly enough to take a few pennies from you.  Heard from the 
abuse department at GTE yet?

  
>  	That is why you are too cowardly to do your duty as an officer of
>  the court and report the crime.  Come on you cowardly jew, report the
>  crime.  Be a Mensch for once in your life.  
	
	You keep stating that particular lie.  Are you hoping that the mentally 
subnormal individuals who take you seriously will believe it?
  
  
>  	Slovenly little jew coward.  Report the crime if you have any
>  balls.  Come on, jewboy, report the crime.  And while you are at it,
>  fuck off, fuck off, fuck off.  
  
>  	Is that clear enough you little nazi jew.  

	Based upon your responses the revenge I am taking is far more 
satisfying.  Keep trying Matty poo.  Maybe somewhere, somehow, there will be an 
ISP that does not blanch when they see your past performance.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  (Yale F. Edeiken
>  >	If British "culture" includes lying, extortion, harassment, forgery, and 
>  >invasion of privacy as acceptable behavior, than I have another reason to 
be 
>  >thankful for the American Revolution.
>  
>  Here I assume that you are implying that Matt Giwer is "guilty" of all
>  those acts you list.

	I am sorry that you take my statements as an implication.  Let me 
clarify.  I state positively that the criminal Giwer did those things.

>  You get more interesting when you claim extortion. What on earth has
>  he extorted and from whom? I look forward to details, or I may have to
>  assume that you are fantasizing.

	I suggest you check the nizkor files in which a clear attempt at 
extortion was made.


>  Harrassment. 
>  In America, is one uncalled for e-mail to you harrassment?

	It was more than one.  And the answer is "yes."

>  Forgery.
>  I have already covered this point in other replies. Given that his
>  sig. file was included and the style of writing was his usual and the
>  misspellings of the headers it was not forgery at all.

	You are quite wrong.  I do not know if there is a specific definition of 
"forgery" in British law but in the U.S. includes "A fruadulent making and 
alteration of a writing to prejudice of another man's right . . ." (Black's Law 
Dictionary, 4th Ed.)

>  (Yale F. Edeiken
>  >	I consider myself the victim of a crime.  I was.
>  Now this is MOST interesting.
>  I understand that you are referring to your oft repeated claim that Mr
>  Giwer sent you a brief e-mail in which he swore at you.

	You omit the fact that it was in response to to a request that the 
criminal Giwer cease sending me e-mail (as he did on at least four occasions).  
You omit as well the fact that the criminal Giwer sent another e-mail addressed 
to "Dear Jerk-off Jew" and including his vitriolic anti-Semitic writing.



> As you
>  regularly say that you are a lawyer of some sort, you must be able to
>  back this up. This claim of yours would imply that the alleged e-mail
>  sending was forbidden by statute.

	I most assuredly can.


> Therefore,  I am sure that you will
>  be able to present to the group the statute(s) which he has violated.
>  I have already asked  Sara the Prefect / Monica the Monitor who has
>  made the same accusation but received no reply. In fact, in her
>  follw-ups to me she deleted the question.

	Yep.  The statutes of Pennsylvania relating to criminal harassment 
and hate crimes.

	--YFE


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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
  
>  # "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the
>  # destroyers. Nothing you can do  will meet our demands and
>  # needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of
>  # our  own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels,
>  # p. 155).

>  Is this a book? ("You Gentiles"). Has anyone ever seen it?
>  Does it have an ISBN number? Just curious.
	For some reason the name "Eustace Mullins" rings a bell.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again
Date: 16 Nov 1996 20:42:49 GMT
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

  
>  Aw, poor little Yalie-poo.  Tsk tsk.  What are the damages?  The
>  emotional distress of having your own family laughing at you?

	No damages are required in a criminal case, nazi.

    
  
>  >	Not only is it obscene under the law, but taken with the criminal Giwer's 
>  >others harassment, it constituted a hate crime.
  
>  Yale wants to prosecute "I'm tired of your shit, fuck off" as a "hate
>  crime."    What a Jew.

	Actually it was the e-mail addressed to "Dear Jerkoo Jew" that so 
qualifies.

  
>  Why don't you sue me for that one too, Yale?

	Becasue you would  plead that you are too mentally incompetent to 
stand trial.  P.S. Why don't you learn the difference between a criminal charge and 
a civil matter.  What the criminal Giwer did was a crime.  That is, a breach of 
peace and an offense against the state as a whole.  They would handle any 
prosecution of the criminla Giwer.  All I would do would be sit in the back of the 
courtroom and smirk as the criminal Giwer tried to weasel on the stand. 

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Nov 19 06:47:46 PST 1996
Article: 80168 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (Month
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

  
>  Yale, for the sake of even what little credibility you don't have do
>  you want to retract your lie that the Freeman brothers were NA members
>  or not?

	Why should I retract the truth, nazi boy.  I repeat: they swore to it under 
oath.   The prosecutors accepted it as true.  The court accepted it as true.  That 
is one side.  On the other side, we have a a phony denial from you writing under a 
psuedonym.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: JEW ADMIRES ZUNDELS COURAGE
Date: 16 Nov 1996 04:45:06 GMT
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>   hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE) writes:

  
>  Mr. Baron, who is presently under the care of London's finest, has
>  obviously never been to Dachau.

	Is there a "three strikes" law in the U.K.?


	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: hardcore rap band sentenced to jail  !!!!
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>   John  writes:

>  hmmm..
>  I recall some singers in the sixties with large FBI files. I think some
>  may have been jailed after the 1968 convention...though some could argue I
>  guess that that wasn't for their opinions.  I do think one or two
>  instances could be found.  Let me count on my fingers for a few
>  seconds....
  
>  Thirty years does not a century make.  Though I agree its a bad thing.  

	How about the guy who used to bite the heads off small animals duirng his 
act (Ozzy Osbourne?).  Didn't he do some jail time?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Nov 19 06:47:48 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Violates His User Agreement with GTE
Date: 17 Nov 1996 15:35:03 GMT
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>   email@add.ress (Full Name) writes:

>  	And of  course like a jew he called netcom and repeated this lie to
>  them.  Bearing false witness is a tradition among jews.  The law does
>  not apply when such things are done to Gentiles as YFE is proving.  


	As it was true and Netcom found it to be so.  They got rid of you.


>  
	P.S.  According to the user agreeement that GTE sent me, posting 
under a name other than that in which the account is maintained is improper.

	I guess it's time for another e-mail to GTE.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Tells Another Lie
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>   The Criminal Giwer, violating his agreement with his ISP, writes:
>  	It is rather a testament to revisionists that they do no harrass
>  and mailbomb the providers of you holohuggers for your thousands of
>  deliberately off topic posts.  

	The criminal Giwer, as is his habit lies again.  He has certainly harassed 
several ISPs including Idirect in Canada and enter.net in the U.S.  During his 
campaign of harrassment he sent over 125 vituperative e-mails to enter.net.  Those 
wishing confirmation may contact Larry Corsa (lcorsa@enter.net) the owner of 
enter.net.  He read the criminal Giwer's communcations and, after checking them 
out trashed them.  He is also putting a link from his homepage to Nizkor.

	Good work, oh criminal one.

	Incidentally this post has been sent to GTE as evidence of how you are 
using their service.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Nov 20 06:03:39 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Has Another Wacko Legal Theory
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>   the criminal Giwer makes an ass of himself again writes:
>  On 18 Nov 1996 23:28:09 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:


>  >	The legal definition includes: "A fraudulent making and alteration of 
>  >writing to prejudice of another man's rights, or a false making, a making malo 
>  >amino, of any intsrument for the for the purpose of fraud or deceit."  Black's 
Law 
>  >Dicitionary, 4th Edition
  
>  	No rights were prejudiced.  No evil intent existed or can be
>  demonstrated.  No harmful result can be demonstrated.  Therefore, YFE
>  has just guzzled his second bottle of Mogen David and is beginning to
>  rave.  

	Another crazed legal theory.  Privacy is a right.  The Restatement of 
Torts (2d) specifically recognizes the forgeries of the criminal Giwer as the violation 
of such a right.  Reputation is a right.  The entire law of defamation is based on 
that right.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again
Date: 19 Nov 1996 16:48:03 GMT
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  >	Why.  It pushes the criminal Giwer's buttons very nicely.  The criminal 
>  >Giwer could end it very easily.  He could apologize for what was an outrageous 
>  >invasion of my privacy.  
  
>  I thought we were talking about criminal law and not tort?  Get your
>  stories straight, crybaby Jew dirtbag lawyer.

	I'm sorry if the reasoning process available to a reasonably bright 
third-grader is beyond you.  Many of the criminal Giwer's activities has been 
violations of the criminal law.  Others have been tortious.  Others have been 
neither but are in violation of the contracts he signed with various ISPs.

>  If the only law Giwer violated is "hate crime law" (struck down so far
>  as constitutional and are as such unlawful regulations of speech) then
>  he and anyone else should be proud to have violated such Jew-inspired
>  laws from the likes of Jew traitors like Yale and his fellow ADL
>  sleazeballs.  It is an honor to violate a Jew/ADL Orwellian speech
>  law.   Fuck you Jew.  

	The "hate crime laws" -- Pennsylvania's is an enhancment statute which 
increases the penalty -- have hardly been struck down.  In fact, the opposite is 
true.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Has Another Wacko Legal Theory
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>   the Criminal Giwer  writes:
>  On 19 Nov 1996 16:43:22 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Another crazed legal theory.  Privacy is a right.  The Restatement of 
>  >Torts (2d) specifically recognizes the forgeries of the criminal Giwer as the 
violation 
>  >of such a right.  Reputation is a right.  The entire law of defamation is based on 
>  >that right.
  
>  	But as you know unless you do not remember due to your third bottle
>  of Mogen David, you initiated the email exchanges, all of them.

	What I remember is noting, after another unsolicted e-mail from 
you, was that you cease sending me e-mail.  You responded with a lie, i.e. that 
Grynspan was forging your e-mail.  When both netcom and I found that it was you, 
you responded with criminal harassment and, to ice the cake decided to to send 
one last bit of your vomitous garbage.

  
>  	No report Giwer you besotted lying jew.  

	I have.  To GTE.  Start looking for another ISP.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Throws Another Tantrum
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>   The criminal Giwer rants:
>   	Turn me in!  Report my crimes, you cowardly little shit drunk lying
>  jew.  Cite the law if you are not too drunk when reading this.  

	I just sent this along to gte.  Perhaps MStein nbows understands why I 
gave them notice of your past criminal activities.
    
	Why don't you tell us who your next ISP will be so that they can 
forego the nastiness of terminating you for cause and just refuse to to become 
accomplices?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help
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>   redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

  
>  Yale F. Edeiken
>  >	I suggest you check the nizkor files in which a clear attempt at 
>  >extortion was made.
  
>  Comparison to your suggestion.
>  I hit you, and you call your family as judge and jury.

	The text of the criminal Giwer's extortion attempt was printed there.

  
>  Also, I think that the idea of my looking for unbiased truth in the
>  records of a murky "front" organisation for a synagogue, which hasn't
>  even got offices that can be visited would be unwise.


	What you were asked to look at was the text of the criminal Giwer's 
attempted extortion.

>  As others have said so correctly, Mr Giwer requested strongly that
>  Nizcor remove his postings from their files for a specific reason.

	No he did not "request," he made a specific demand.


>  He therefore felt that what they were doing was unreasonable. With his
>  request he talked about "unspecified" action being taken against
>  Nizcor if they did not comply. 

	No he referred to unspecified penalties.

>  There is surely no way that any real court would consider that  to be
>  extortion. If you are a lawyer you are aware of this.

	You are 100% wrong.  There opposite is, in fact, true.  There is no 
court that would *not* consider this extortion especially when the criminal Giwer 
stated he was *not* referring to legal action and followed it up with an actual 
attempt to disrupt Nizkor service with a mailbomb.

>  From your other postings you state that it was two e-mails. 
>  I would not know if an American court would consider this harassment
>  and would submit that again, the act is not harassment in law until it
>  be so judged.

	Utter nonsense.

>  Yale F. Edeiken
>  >	You are quite wrong.  I do not know if there is a specific definition of 
>  >"forgery" in British law but in the U.S. includes "A fruadulent making and 
>  >alteration of a writing to prejudice of another man's right . . ." (Black's Law 
>  >Dictionary, 4th Ed.)
  
>  It would be interesting to see this case proved. Again, until it be so
>  judged you are talking about an allegation rather than a fact.

	Utter nonsense.  

>  So it was FOUR now. Sorry, in another thread I thought that you said
>  it was two.  How many were sent after the request to stop?

	Four.  The criminal Giwer's first reaction was to lie and lcalim his 
original e-mail was a forgery from Grynspan.  Only the final two were criminal 
harassment.

>  Is it an
>  arrestable offence in America to call you a "Jerk-off Jew"? 

	No but, as you noted when I posted 18 Purdon's 2710 it is an 
enhancement that bumbs another crime up oe step.  The criminal's Giwer's first 
act of criminal harassment (under 18 Purdon's 5504) was a third degree 
misdemeanor, when he added the religious epithet it became a second degree 
misdemeanor.

>  lawyer you know that there are specific legal definitions of
>  "Criminal". Such as someone who has committed a crime, or someone who
>  has been found guilty of committing a crime.

	And under that definition the criminal Giwer is a criminal.


>  which he called you names. Not exactly the crime of the century. I
>  mean, on a scale that starts with dropping a chewing gum wrapper in
>  the street, goes on to walking on the grass and ends with mass murder
>  - where would you places these "crimes"? Do you not see that your
>  vivid overstating of any case you may have destroys your position? You
>  come across as overwrought and deluded - or just untruthful.

	They are misdemeanors.  Don't you see that be defending actions 
that are criminal and were designed to harass, tyou are showing exactly what 
the moral level of a denier is?

>  (Yale F. Edeiken
>  >	I most assuredly can.
  
>  Mr Edeiken, see the following paragraph. I asked you to present the
>  statutes, all you have said that it is against the law in your state
>  of america.

	I did so in quoting the statutes involved.



> How about Florida, how about other countries? This is,
>  after all the internet.

	The U.S. is a bit different in how the law works than is the U.K.  
There are few, if any laws that apply everywhere.  In this case the jurisdiction is 
Pennsylvania's.


> What if I swore at you in e-mails, would you
>  consider me a criminal?

	If you were asked not to: YES.


> Can the police be sent from Pennsylvania all
>  the way to Florida to arrest Mr Giwer and bring him back to stand
>  trial for his e-mails to you? 


	You are asking for a technical answer.  Under U.S. practice, the 
Florida police would arrest the criminal Giwer and, after application to the 
governor of Florida, he would be transported back.

>  Under what SPECIFIC statute(s).


	I posted both 18 Purdon's 5504 (criminal harassment) and 18 
Purdon's 2710 (ethnic intimidation) which defines both the crime and, by setting 
the degree of the crime, the punishment.  Was there anything you did not 
understand in those statutes? 
>  What are the penalties? 
>  This is far too vague. Never mind the statutes, which we have every
>  right to be given by you, have you any case law with which you can
>  regale us? For all I know you are telling the truth, it just doesn't
>  come across that way. Proof please.

	I fail to see why the wording of the statutes, which I attached to the 
post, are not clear to you.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
>  >  In article <32941262.254288222@news.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net 
(Kurt
>  >  Stele) wrote:

>  >  [Nothing of importance]
  
>  >  > At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
>  >  > charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
>  >  > "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
>  >  > trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
>  >  > 1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 
  
>  >  And only pathetic little Nazis like Mr. Smith keep repeating such lies.
>  >  The absolute moral and intellectual depravity of Mr. Smith and his Nazi
>  >  ilk in continuing to promulgate this is revealed at: 
  
>  Are you denying that Jackson said this?

	Yes, for a simple reason.   He did not allege it in any way whatsoever.  
He was asking Speer about propaganda that was being put out by Goebbels at 
the end of the war.

	--YFE  


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Chief French Rabbi on War & Christians
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>   dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

>  ccarp@concept.net (Chris Carpenter) writes:
>  >Try AltaVista, there's a wealth of information from Chief Rabbis' from
>  >around the world    
  
>  	I did an AltaVista advanced search for "Rabbi NEAR Reichorn" and 
there
>  was only one match: http://ra.nilenet.com/~tmw/files/436quote.html
>  This is a racist site that was mentioned in Giwer's signature a few days ago,
>  is it not?

	That is, of course, one way of checking the accuracy a typical 
"revisionist" forgery.  Another way is find out whether the person even existed.  
Putatively the comment was made by the "Cheif Rabbi" of France in 1859.  That 
office was abolished after the restoration of the French monarchy in 1815.  It was 
not reinstated until the time of the Second Republic after the Franc-Prussian War in 
1870-1871.  There was no "Chief Rabbi" during the rule Napoleon III.
	
	--YFE


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Article: 81725 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Australian PM Revisionist Of The Year !!!!
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>   andrew brady  writes:
>  In article , Daniel Keren

>  >jimmy@jaimie.mcc (jimmy) [lying Nazi coward afraid to post
>  >under his own name] writes:

>  >Let's start with these. Just some photographs of what
>  >your Nazi heroes have done.
  
>          Do you lable everbody that disagrees with you a Nazi?

	No.  If the shoe fits, however, why not?

	The criminal Giwer -- the person to which Dr. Keren referred fits the 
description.

>          Are you willing to learn the lesson from this very sad event
>  (the holocaust)? - That the hate must stop! 

	No. The lesson is to stop the haters.  In this case Dr. Keren was 
referring to the criminal Giwer.  The criminal Giwer is a rather dishonest and 
rather vitriolic anti-Semite who has explicitily announced his intention of 
harassing those who disagree with him and has penly boasted that his 
harassment has been successful.  During the past few months his acccounts 
have been terminated at four different providers (a fifth is the works) for improper 
and illegal acts.


Dr. Keren referred you to some excellent resources about the Holocaust:

>  >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
>  >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
>  >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images
>  >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images
>  >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images
>  >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images
>  >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
>  >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images
>  >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images

	While you are there you might, if your stomach is strong enough, read 
the writings of the criminal Giwer and note his various defenses of Hitler, his 
virulent anti-Semitism, and his utter dishonesty.  At that point perhaps you will 
return and tell us what kind of descriptives you consdier appropriate.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Suchomel and Shoah
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

  
>  Yale when are you going to retract your lie that the Freeman Brothers
>  were NA members?

	I realize that you are rather stupid.  Perhaps I should inform you one 
more time.  I do n ot retract that which is true.

	I take it that part of the reason for your insistence on asserting that the 
brothers Freeman were unaware of the organizations to which they belonged (they 
stated under oath that they were members of the NA) or the motives they had for 
killing their parents and torturing their 11 year old brother to death (they stated in a 
videotaped interrogation that objections to their membership in the NA was one of 
the reasons for the murder) or what they did before the murder (they read NA 
literature out loud to each other) is that you wish to cover up the fact that they 
made several telephone calls to NA headquarters *after* they had decided on 
murder.  Perhaps you are just worried that the advice that the NA gave them will 
become public.  You need not worry.  Since, after Ludge Larry Brenner ruled that 
they were members of the NA, they pleaded guilty to the murders, the evidence 
about that cannot be revealed.

	Perhaps , however, you will tell us.  Given the actions of your colleagues 
does your family insist on a full body cavity search when you visit or are they 
content with a simple metal detector?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Nov 25 06:31:19 PST 1996
Article: 81784 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Committs a Crime Against the English Language
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>  The criminal Giwer writes:

>  	Unlike you, little Danny, when there are no more nazis there is no
>  one from whom to obtain praise and self worth.  When one apologizes
>  for Jews, there are still many of them to imagine will praise you and
>  give you self worth.  


	Well put criminal one.  Did you choose these words at random  or were 
you really trying to say something?

	If the latter you failed miserably.

	But you knew that.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Nov 26 06:25:52 PST 1996
Article: 81855 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Likes Bigots
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>   the Criminal Giwer, takes a swig from his favorite brand of hate and writes:

	After John Morris noted:

>  >Oh, look. Matt has discovered the Christian Identity hate site at
>  >nilenet. Why am I not surprised. 
  
>  	I am very familar with the site and can find no "hate" on it. 

	That is becasue you are a bigot.  A person who cannot find "hate" 
on that site could not find the Pacific Ocean starting from the center of the 
Bikini Atoll.


	Morris continued:

>  >And now, I suppose, we are to feted to a series of spams from
>  >Christian Identity sites. This must be what Matt means by "doing"
>  >revisionism. The nearest equivalent I can think of to this kind of
>  >"doing" is what my dog was trained out of as a puppy.
  
>  	Did you ever ask yourself why such an approach does not work with
>  me?

	The answer is obvious.  You do not have the intelligence of a puppy.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Nov 26 06:25:53 PST 1996
Article: 81892 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Nazi Stele Comes to the Criminal Giwer's Aide
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  Lying Jew lawyer-shyster Yale Eideken continues asserting that an
>  Giwer e-mail saying "I'm tired of your shit, fuck off" constitutes a
>  "hate crime" for which Giwer should be forced to serve time in jail,
>  just  like those in Europe who dare to express difference to the
>  (false) Jewish version history are thrown in jail.


	Yes, criminal harassment is a crime in the U.S.

  
>  Yet Yale is an "officer of the court" sworn to uphold the laws of the
>  U.S.   Yet he refuses to report Giwer's "crime" and uphold the laws of
>  the U.S.  Although he claims there is no ethical duty to do so, yet he
>  shows himself to be unethical by possessing evidence of law-breaking
>  while doing nothing about it.  

	There is no ethical duty to do so.  In facrt, under many circumstances it 
is a violation of ethicxs to do so.  Moreover, I have reported the criminal Giwer to 
each of his service providers who have, in turn, found it to be a crime and taken 
the appropriate action.

  
>  Yale also claims Giwer's e-mail "was sent to Yale's family" although
>  the e-mail never mentions Yale's family (typical Jewish "trumping
>  up").   So therefore Yale's family is insulted and he has a duty to
>  stand up for his own family which he also shirks.  

	Again, I made a true statement.  The e-mail was made to me and my 
family.  I am standing up for them by making sure that the criminal Giwer cannot 
victimize others.  To date I have been very successful.	

	In the interim "Stele" has yet to inform us whether his parents have 
heard about the activities of his colleagues, the Brothers Freeman, and whether on 
those rare occassions when you are allowed in the house they insist on a full body 
cavity search or are content with a simple metal detectort?

	--YFE


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Article: 82024 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Suchomel and Shoah
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>   The Criminal Giwer writes:

>  	One would also suspect as there is a US organization accepting
>  contributions that the IRS will be involved and that US residents
>  participating in this nizkor adventure will come under IRS scrutiny.  
  
>  	Gee, I a brilliant and I do not even know it.  I do not need to
>  involve Revenue Canada at all.  I can start the investigation in the
>  US with the IRS by simply reporting the deception to the IRS regarding
>  the US collection side.  
  
>  	It will all go downhill from there, AND I get a fraction of the
>  recovered taxes.  Sounds great to me.  
  
>  	Does anyone see any problems with this?  


	Yes.  Your charges are false and you are a liar.  

]>  	How many are racing me to write the letter and claim the share of
>  taxes reward first?   

	Since your "reward" will be a horselaugh from the IRS, I am sure that you 
will have lots of takers.  That drooling idiot Moran would be a likely candidate to help 
you.

	--YFE	


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Article: 82025 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Becomes A Recidivist
Date: 24 Nov 1996 21:42:39 GMT
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>   The Criminal Giwer writes:

	Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  	When you sober up in the morning, ignore the headache and report
>  your delusional, druken, kike-imagined crimes to the authorities.
>  Hopefully you can see straight enough to find the numbers.  Else you
>  are giving kikes a bad name.  

	It should be noted that the criminal Giwer today became a recidivist.  
Apparently his crackpot ravings are simply not enough he, once more. criminally 
harassed me and my family with his obscene e-mail.

	Those foolish enough to put the crimnal Giwer's ISP address in their 
address books in ink are forewarned that it's time to rip out another page.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Nov 28 07:03:40 PST 1996
Article: 82079 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Last Call for Yale to Retract his Lies
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>   Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:

  
>    Well, I don't know very much the Freeman brothers,

	Then shut up.


> but it sounds
>   like an honest proposition which leave him a generous possibility
>   to save the face :-)

	How?  By acceding to dsoemthing that is demonstrably false.  Indeed not 
only did the Freeman brothers claim in sworn statements to the court that they were 
members of teh NA and whined to the court that the prosecutors were going to use 
that as the motive for the murders.

	The only reason that JFB has for believing otherwise is that a nazi says so. 
 But, then, that's always good enough for him.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: a different perspective on Streicher.
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>   the criminal Giwer lies again:

  
>  	Now just why does that not work on me but would work on you?  You
>  notice how quickly YFE calmed down when his alcoholism was brought up.

	In other words the criminal Giwer is now admitting his lies.  Too late 
Matty poo.  Say "bye, bye" and starting looking for another ISP.  Gte.net does not 
have the stomach to have you around anymore.

  
  
>  >Another ISP is about to go too.

>  	Whose? 

	Yours Matty poo.

> I have never seen a post from Giwer from GTE in this
>  conference.  You appear to be referring to those altered messages.
>  What a strange thing to do, attack someone with altered messages.  Not
>  strange for holobuggers, though.  

	Nor will you see many more.  For those curious about the matter gte.net 
has decided that the campaign of deliberate harassment from the criminal Giwer is 
not something in which they wish to participate.

	There shortly will be a pool organized to determine how long the criminal 
Giwer will last at his next ISP.

	--YFE


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Article: 82423 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again
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>   himmel@strasse.org (Treblinka Veggie Garden) writes:

  
>  	And as an addition to the fuck you jew there was NEVER and is not
>  NOW a FEDERAL hate crime law.  As the besotted jewboy claims it was
>  interstate there is no law regarding the matter but in his drunken
>  stupor he claims there is such a federal law.  

	The criminal Giwer still lies.  His criminal harassment was an is a 
violation of the criminal law of Pennsylvania.  Nothing more has ever been 
claimed.

	Perhaps the criminal Giwer has been spending so much time looking for 
his next ISP that he is taking even less care in making up his lies.

	--YFE
  



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: English Object to First Pitiable Boston Massacre Statue
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>   rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:
>  historynot@aol.com writes:

>  > The English Soldiers only fired in self-defense only after being
>  >fearful for their lives from a threatening unworthy unruly mob. 
  
>  Actually, this is what most historians will tell you. The Boston
>  Historical Society vigorously protested the first memorial.

	It should be noted as well that the lawyers who came to their defense and 
won acquittal for all but one of the soldiers were all members of the Sons of Liberty, 
including John Adams who --for non-Americans and others like the criminal Giwer 
unaware of their country's history -- was the primary architect of indepenedence and 
one of the authors of the Declaration of Independence.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>  ceacaa@aol.com wrote:

>  :     However, Nyiszli was a Ph.d, 
  
>  Really? 
>  In what subject?
>  From which university?

	He was a pathologist.  "I spent three years at the Boroslo Institute of 
Forensic Medicine, where I had a chance to study every possible form of suicide 
under the supervision of Professor Strasseman."  (Page 35, Arcade Press edition).

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Air Photo Evidence ?
Date: 30 Nov 1996 17:04:06 GMT
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

	YFE wrote:

>  >	You are, once more, woefully ignorant of what was presented at the 
>  >Nuremberg trials.  There were, in fact, photogarphs and movies of Auschwitz 
>  >presented as evidence.

>  >>  	Air photo evidence, or any other kind of photographic evidence?
>  >>  None?

>  >	It was there.  Descriptions of the movies and the reaction to them can 
>  >be found in Taylor, "The Anatomy of the Nurmberg Trials" (pages 316-8 -- first 
>  >paperback edition 1992)
  
>  	Don't you think it's ridiculous for you to cite there were movies
>  by citing they are mentioned in some book. Haven't you tried this a
>  number of times in the past?

	I refer to a book -- written by none of the prinicpal prosecutors -- that is 
basic to the study of the Nurmeberg trials.  A study that, dispite your bluster you 
have not done. Another book which you have not bothered to read is Gilbert's 
"Nuremberg Diary" where several pages is spent describing the reaction of the 
defendants to the movie and evidence.

> You should have at least given a summary
>  of what it had to say. We don't know if the tribunal was looking at
>  "extermination camp" footage, or footage from Bergen-Belsen, which I
>  know there was some taken there.

	The claim was that there was no photography.  It was refuted by 
showing that there was photography.  If you think (wrongly) that it was other than 
Then check the reference, bonehead.   You would find that the movies were 
taken at Auschwitz and Maidenek.


> We're talking "extermination" camps,
>  the documentation of intentional mass extermination.

	No, we're talking about your absolute ignorance of the 
evidence presented at Nuremeberg.

	For you reference in the future please note the following definition: 
"Book: A printed work on sheets of paper bound together, usually between hard 
covers."  Webster's New World Dictionary.


	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   Nele Abels  writes:

>  As if HE were in the place to evaluate ANY academic standard of ANY
>  institution WHATSOEVER. I am still wondering where he got his BA. I am 
>  afraid, we will never know... 

	University of Cincinnati, 1967.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Air Photo Evidence ?
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
  
>  	Why wouldn't the prosecution have gone out and done the common
>  recognized practice of obtaining photographic evidence for their
>  position at the Holocaust trials? 

	You are, once more, woefully ignorant of what was presented at the 
Nuremberg trials.  There were, in fact, photogarphs and movies of Auschwitz 
presented as evidence.

>  	Air photo evidence, or any other kind of photographic evidence?
>  None?

	It was there.  Descriptions of the movies and the reaction to them can 
be found in Taylor, "The Anatomy of the Nurmberg Trials" (pages 316-8 -- first 
paperback edition 1992)
  
>  	Failure to obtain and present physical evidence means something.

	Yes.  It means that, once more, you do not know what you are talking 
about.  It must be a very common feeling for you.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Yale Eideken's Lie Exposed
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  For those interested in the verifying the facts of the Freeman Case,
>  please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is
>  the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  If he
>  is not there, leave a message with Sue, his secretary (a very nice
>  lady) or perhaps you can speak briefly on the matter with Mr. Pete
>  Richards, the Assistant District Attorney (Mr. Steinberg being of
>  course the far more informative one on the matter).  Mr. Steinberg
>  will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members,
>  but the Freeman brothers were not members of ANY known organization
>  (although they had brief contact with Mark Thomas, a follower of
>  Christian Identity).  Mr. Steinberg will also verify that all the
>  information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact,
>  the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members.

	While you are there ask about the Motion in Limine filed by the Freeman 
brothers in which they stated that they were members of the NA.  Perhaps "Stele" will 
also tell us about the NA material found in their house and the connection of Mark 
Thomas with the NA.

  
>  Also, one is in luck.  There is a book just released (1996) about the
>  Freeman Brothers case called _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen, which I
>  just read (available at Borders).  Nowhere does the book mention The
>  National Alliance, and in fact indicates that the Freeman Brothers
>  were unaffiliated skinheads, who attended a few skinhead concerts and
>  possessed a bit of movement reading material (none of which were NA)
>  but otherwise had no were not part of any formal organization.
>  Although the book is sensationally written, had the Freeman Brothers
>  been NA member it would have been only sensationalized further, since
>  the book goes out of its way to mention every group remotely tied to
>  the Freeman Brothers.

	Sorry.  Check with Wally Worth, the lawyer for one of the brothers or 
Richard Makoul who defended the cousin.  Describing the three as "skinheads" is 
probably inaccurate.  They shaved their heads and wore the gear but they had no 
attachment to the music.  Moreover the Freemans had more than passing familiarity 
with "movement reading material."  They *were* loners and,as such, were not known 
to local skinheads.  They *did* have a connection to Mark Thomas and the fact that 
they were noticed at some of his parties is, therefore, significant.


>  Here Yale mentions "the Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh County," a
>  highly specific title which will induce the reader to think Yale knows
>  what he is talking about, when precisely the contrary is true.  Yale
>  here even claims to possess such exact knowledge as to the nature and
>  details of the pleadings and affidavits themselves-- facts which
>  almost noone but the actual prosecutor could know, or someone who
>  studied the case closely.

	Or someone who took the time to walk 1/2 block to the Clerk of Courts 
(Criminal) and asked for the file.  All of which were public record.    

>  Yale here gets even more specific.  He mentions the Freeman brothers
>  filed a "Motion in Limine" and then goes on to explain what it means.
>  Yale is now using his legal knowledge as a front for more bluffing,
>  giving the definition of "motion in limine."  He specifically mentions
>  the motion in limine was done for the express purpose of barring the
>  prosecution "from mentioning their membership in the NA"(!)an
>  assertion we know is impossible.  

	The Motion is a public document.  So are the memoranda of law.  So is the 
ruling that J. Brenner made on it.  Again, these are easily verifiable statements.


  
>  Yale then proceeds to add dramatic and "realistic" details to this
>  completely fictional motion, claiming "the prosecution fought the
>  motion" and gave the ground for opposition:  that "their NA membership
>  was one of the factors in the conflict with their parents."  It is
>  clear at this point that Yale is simply shooting from the hip, and
>  extrapolating from whole cloth.  Since Yale is (purportedly) a
>  practicing attorney in the state of Pennsylvania, he evidently thought
>  himself in an ideal position to "pull off" this lie.  Yale even
>  mentions the name "Judge Larry Brenner", an individual Yale may have
>  appeared before at some point, or is simply a Jewish Judge who
>  presides in the state of Pennsylvania which whom Yale knows of or is
>  acquainted with.  Regardless, the elaborate legal yarn is false and is
>  completely woven by Yale.

	Larry Brenner (past president of the local Knights of Columbus) is the judge 
who handled the case; note "Stele" anti-Semitic slur put in for no reason other than 
his anti-Semitism.  The Motion is Limine and the arguments about it were widely 
reported.  The bluff that "Stele" is running becomes obvious at this point.  That J. 
Brenner handled the case and the filing of the Motion in Limine are easliy verfiable as 
fact.  It was perhaps inappropriate for me to refer to Judge Lawrence Brenner as 
"Larry" but he became a judge less than five years ago.  I have been dealing with him 
for the decade before that as "Larry." 


>  Further reiterating his lie, Yale attacks Giwer as a "liar" for an
>  understandable mix-up between the Montana Freemans and the
>  Pennsylvania ones.  Yale then goes so far as to claim the Freemans
>  were "arrested and interrogated with videotape," creating the
>  impression Yale has actual knowledge of this.  Yale also again
>  mentions "The Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh County", seeking to
>  establish further spurious credibility, and concludes "the decision
>  accepted as fact the claim of the brothers Freeman that they were
>  members of the NA:"  an outright whopper.


	The mental confusion of the criminal Giwer was understandable only to 
those who understand the mental operations of the criminal Giwer.  There are very 
few of those.

	Again the vidoetape was played in court.  I was there and saw it.  It was 
widely reported in the local press.  The tape is currently the subject of a lawsuit by 
CNN.  J. Brenner had it sealed ruling that it was not a public document.  They are 
trying to obtain a copy.  The fact that "Stele" intimates that there was no such tape is 
another indication of how his bluff is being run.





	I would also suggest that anyone really interested in this contact the 
defense lawyers -- Wally Worth and B.J. Collins -- who represented Brian Freeman 
and field the original Motion in Limine.

	--YFE



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