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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  Without getting too deeply in this, I would like to read any of Larson's autopsies
>  for people allegedly found gassed at Dachau.

	Then look up his report and read it.



>  As to the well fed guards, many of
>  the prisoners looked well-fed also.  The majority of deaths in these camps was 
due 
>  to disease.  Typhus runs rampant very quickly and the fatality rate can be very 
high.

	The incubation period for typhus is approximately 14 days.  It "runs 
rampant" only when relatively simple public health measures are not taken.  The 
fatality rate for typhus is about 10% in most populations.  It is easily controlled.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

>    The courts in Denmark have ruled that it is libel to call you a racist if 
>  you are just an opponent of the immigration and the multiethnic society. You 
>  must have advocated the superiority of your own race and the natural right 
>  to rule over the other races in order to make legal to label you a racist 
>  in public. (In English this is called [e.g. White] supremacy.)

	You have done so, nazi-boy.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran), in response to Ms. Stryker once more 
demonstrates his penchant for lying about Jews.  She wrote:
>  
>  
>  >Not all Israelis support their government's policies.
>  >Not all supporters of Israeli policies re: the Palestinians are Jews.
>  >Not all Jews are Zionists.
>  >(For further clarification, see http://www.ariga.com/ )
>  
>  >Mr. Moran, is that so difficult?

>  	I've seen this argument put forth before, when the facts are
>  given blunt like. 

	You have no facts, l'il tommy.  Just a hatred of Jews that colors all your 
thinking.
  
>  	The fact is, the latest election in Israel shows that the
>  majority chose the person who said he was going to break the
>  "agreements" and U.N. Resolutions. They voted for it. 

	That is not a fact.

>  	The fact is that almost all if not all the commentary in the U.S.
>  papers by Jews was favorable.


	That is not a fact.

>  	The fact is that while the Jews in Israel continue with their
>  unaesthetic policies, Jews in this country plug it as someplace
>  wonderful and righteous.


	Do you know what the word "unaesthetic" means?

>  	The fact is that no demonstrations outside of a few little,
>  token, low turnout gatherings by "Peace Now", have taken place in
>  Israel in objection to Zionist policies.

	That is not a fact.

>  	The facts are that one of the many absurd announcements out of
>  the Jewish community is "Anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism".

	That is not a fact.

>  	Now if you want to point to some little obscure token website to
>  show that all this is not the real meat of analysis, go ahead.

	The fact is that you are an anti-Semite.  In the past, to bolster your 
venomous hatred you have described the KKKK as a "Jewsih group." and the 
activities of a group dominated by Catholic priests and which did not have a 
single Jewsih member as being done by "the Jews."

	Moran is a liar.  Moran is an anti-Semite.  Moran is a coward.

	I stand ready to prove the first two of those charges before any 
impartial body.  The fact that Moran has refused to even answer this acceptance 
of his challenge is proof of the third charge.

	Please note that there will be no honest repsonse by Moran.

	--YFE

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Apologies to Yale Edeiken: who needs none
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>   Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:
>
>  
>     The evidence I provided was based on miscellaneous jewish source which
>   stated during WWll that the bulk of the soviet Jews were evacuated before 
tthe
>   germans came.

	The report was written in 1942 (published in 1943).  When the material 
on which it was based was collected, the German army controlled that territory.  
*Every* historian who studied the question after the war disagrees with it.

> This leaves less than 700,000 behind.

	That is *your* number.  It is not the number of any report.

> I'm not claiming that
>   those reports are all forgeries: I'm saying that I have doubts.

	So what?  Who cares about your *doubts.*  If you have a suspicion 
come up with some evidence to support it.  I *doubt,* for example, that Warren G. 
Harding died of food poisoning.  I *suspect* he was murdered to cover up 
corruption in his presidency.  Can you now take those as given facts?


>  >        Again JFB, having no answer stats that the Eissatzgruppen reports
>  >were provided by the Soviets.  They weren't.  The Bristish found them.
  
>   Wrongo. I've check and it's the americans.

	They were found by the British according to the sources I have read.  
They were turned over to the Americans who presented them at Nuremberg.  cf. 
"Eyewitnesses at Nuremberg" Gaskin 1990; interviews with Roger Barrett, officer 
in charge of documents).  I believe that the major store of documents found by the 
Americans were the naval intelligence archives.  The exact provenance can be 
confusing since all documents were turned over to Barrett.  As he states:

	"One of the principal motivations which Justice Jackson had in 
proceeding with the trial was to create a record, by dcoumentary evidence 
that couldn't be challenged, of what actually took place.  First World War 
atrocities were not believed, the few Germans who were convicted were 
released within a year or two, and we were afraid that unless a record was 
made which was tested by American-style and British-style cross-examination, 
future genrations would not believe how horrible th truth really was.  And of all the 
documents that were produced at Nuremberg, hundreds of thousands, I don't 
remember one that challenged for authenticity."  (page 52)

	Now what is your evidence?  If you have none be honest enough to 
say so.

	--YFE




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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Chutzpa = E X A G G E R A T I O N
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  	Further, just about every Jew that could be rated with a true
>  scientific standing is of a German connection. 


	Gee l'il tommy you mean all those Russian Jews (example: Rosilyn Yalow) 
who have won Nobel prizes in the sciences are faking it?  How about Isaac 
Asimov?

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

  
>  	If the machinations of Jewish innovative brillance were true, we
>  should expect it to stand out here in the U.S., like Henry Ford, Tommy
>  Edison, Bill Gates and the rest.

	How many American Jews have won the Nobel Prize in the sciences, 
l'il tommy?

	--YFE


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>   Alexander Baron  writes:
>
>  > >  > Liar. Jews were placed into concentration camps, where they were 
tortured,
>  > >  > experimented on, and murdered, specifically because they were Jewish.
>  > >  
>  > >  Not true. There were still Jews in Berlin in 1944. One of the reasons they
>  > >  could be sent to Auschwitz was for smoking a cigarette in public. Do your
>  > >  homework before you denounce me as a liar, arsehole.
>  > 
>  >         And when you do your research you will come to a simple conclusion:
>  > 
>  >         Al Baron is a liar.

>  My sources for this are the Jewish Chronicle and Reitlinger. 

	Lyin' Al and his sources again.  Your statement was that it is "Not true." 
that "Jews were placed into concentration camps, where they were tortured, 
experimented on, and murdered, specifically becasue thet were Jewish."  Please 
give a reference to where either Reitlinger or the Jewish Chronicle stated that 
Jews were not not placed in concentration camps, where they were tortured, 
experimented on, and murdered specifically becasue they were Jewish.

	Please don't give me the usual Lyin' Al bullshit to "check out" some 
nutcase or other.  Give me direct references to Reitlinger or the Jewish Chronicle 
where such a statement was made.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) lies as usual:
  
  		
>  	A while back a Mr.Stein posted "The Trial of Tom Moran". He
>  bellowed he was going to show that Moran was "anti-Semitic". The only
>  thing that ensued was one of his cohorts jumped in to say that Moran
>  should turn himself in to some court authority. No alt.revisionism
>  trial ever took place. Mr. Stein never made an attempt.

	No one ever made that suggestion.  The challenge was to present the 
evidence to an impartial tribunal.  The result of that suggestion was that you 
demonstrated the total lack of conviction you have about your statements.  You 
won't even give it a direct answer.


>  
>  
>  	Mr.Stein's previously mentioned 'cohort', Mr.Edeiken, claimed he
>  had lost 160 relatives in the Holocaust and Moran challenged him.
>  Mr.Edeiken said he was going to post the proof, "I will this weekend".
>  Nothing ever came of it.

	Another lie from a convinced anti-Semite.  The offer was withdrawn 
after you commented what "fun" it would be. 
  
>  	Moran always gives the boasterous claims a few weeks, even months
>  to sit so there is no question they were just mouthing off with
>  "chutzpa".

	The chuztpah is from l'il tommy.  A Liar.  An anti-Semite.  A coward.
  
	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Being Both Jewish And Nazi
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>   qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
>  In <5053a9$dj9@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  ! >  The "Times" is published in London. On May 8 and May 10 1993 were 
two 
>  ! small
>  ! >  reports about the ADL's involvement in the spy scam. This has been 
>  ! extensively
>  ! >  reported so please don't tell me you haven't heard of it.
>  ! 
>  ! 	That is not a statement from the ADL that 20% of Americans are 
>  ! anti-Semites.
  
>  Liar.  The prestigious Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith concluded 
>  that a total of about 20-25% of Americans believe that it is possible 
>  that the Holocaust may not be true.  In your terms, that is 
>  anti-semitic.  40-45% of African Americans are anti-semitic.

	I see.  So it is of no importance what the ADL say.  You may interpret 
their words and their opinion s to give them a meaning they never had.  The 
ADL has never made the statement -- that believing it is "possible" that the 
Holocaust never happened demonstrates anti-Semitism.  Thank you for pointing 
out that Lyin' Al was, indeed lying.

>  ! 	You have been asked for a cite to something from the ADL.  You 
have 
>  ! failed utterly to do so.
>  
>  He doesn't have to.  It is you supporters of the Holocaust who like to 
>  use the ADL as reference, while at the same time, castigating opponents 
>  of the Holocaust as liars for using the same reference in a different 
>  context.  Context is everthing to you conservatives.

	Since he made a statement about the ADL, it most certainly is his 
responsibility to at least point those to a place where it can be verified.  Should 
he agree that this is basis for his statement, he is, indeed, once more fabricating 
his sources.



>  The conclusion is that you supporters of the Holocaust who like to 
>  use a certain reference, while at the same time, castigating opponents 
>  of the Holocaust as liars for using the same reference in a different 
>  context.  Context is everthing to you conservatives.  Do you, for 
>  instance, consider the ADL to be a Neo-Nazi underground organization in 
>  other contexts but the present?

	Since Lyin' Al never used a reference to the ADL, despite repeated 
requests to do so, your statement is divorcd from reality.  I am reminded of what 
Antonin Scalia wrote about Willis Carto:  just because Benedict Arnold was a 
traitor does not give you the right to call him a shoplifter.  Either the ADL stated 
that 20% of Americans are anti-Semites or they did not.

	 Care to try again?

	--YFE
	--YFE


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>   Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:


>  >>    Another lie by omission. Firts you claimed that in this New York Times 
article
>  >>   (23 january 1995) where Lamberger spoke there was no claim that about 
half
>  >>   a million holocaust survivors immigrated in Israel between 1945-50. Indeed, 
it
>  >>   was just claim that there was about half a million holocaust survivors there
>  >>   in the early fifties, which is something completelly different obviously :-)
  
>  >        At this point JFB you have descended into Giwerisms.  You have claimed
>  >that the number of survivors who immigrated to to Israel in the period from 
1945-50
>  >was about 500,000.  You have now supported that allegation by referring to
>  >"something completely different obvious."
  
>       It was ironical. Could you explain me now what is the main difference
>   between stating that half a million holocaust survivors emigrated to Israel
>   between 1945-1950 and claiming that there was about half a million Holocaust
>   survivors in Israel in the early fifties? The last one was Lamberger's claim,
>   but you stated that 'he never said that half a million emigrated to this coun-
>   try during the 1945-1950 period.

	Yes.  There is a simple difference.  You have counted refugees in 
Europe in 1950 that eventually went to Isreal and added them to the total of 
survivors.  You counted them twice.

>    No, you didn't, you used Hilberg. You havn't quote Reitlinger in this post.
>   Why I didn't quote Reitlinger directly? Because I hadn't the book with me and
>   it was quicker to use Sanning. Weird question.

	An alternate explanation is that you have never read Reitlinger and, 
therefore, did not know that other portions of his writing contradict your assertion 
and that the snippet you quoted was not a general description as Sanning has 
obviously misrepresented.

>  >> Nowhere I remember to have see a statement like
>  >>   'When Hitler explain me what happened to the Jews', or 'I was in conflict
>  >>   with Himmler when he exposed to us the mass gassing of Jews', nothing of 
that
>  >>   kind.
  
>  >       But then you didn't read the book under discussion.
  
>    I've already state that I read the chapters which deals with the Jewish
>   question 2 years ago.

	There are no "chapters" that deal with the "Jewish question."   Nor 
would reading isolated passages help you to understand the theme of the book.

> I've already say that I read about Speer testimony in
>   Nuremberg in a book and it was say explicitelly by him that he claimed to
>   be unaware about a mass liquidation of Jews.
> Reading few hundred pages in
>   miscellaneous NMT volumes to learn what I already know (through a non-revi
>   sionist author who read it) is worthless.

	Yes.  Why do some research to find out if what you half-remembered 
>from  what your read several years ago is an unnamed book accurate or not?  Why 
let facts interfer with your theories?


> Is it a tactic for pushing me to
>   waste my time? I've just open 12 NMT books today and Speer's testimony was
>   in 3 of those ones. In a case he refer to Mathausen (it's probably the question
>   you rise up about his intervention to get bearable conditions for the inmates
>   or to 'stop' the extermination of Jews). Mathausen isn't described as an ex-
>   termination center for Jews in the Holocaust version. It is suffisant for me
>   to know that an author who studied carefully Speer's testimony state that
>   Speer denied knowledge about it, and the fact that Speer in an interview (in
>   the book) stated it again.


	Of course, as long as what you write conforms with your ideas why 
should you let the facts get in your way?  
  
>  >        The "big aspect" was what he was charged with: the use of slave labor.
>  > That was the substance of his testimony.  He was *not* charged with the 
murder of
>  >Jews.  This line of argument is a bit like arguing that Al Capone could not have
>  >ordered the St. Valentine's Massacre because it was not mentioned at his trial 
for
>  >tax evasion.
>  
>   I'm not stupid, never I imagined that he was charged, as a minister of arming,
>   of killing directly the Jews. But as I said, his own words where:

	Nor of the conspiracy to do so.

>   Because he claimed himself that he was unaware: see the book "l'immoprtalite
>   du pouvoir' above.

	No.  What he has said is that he deliberately ignored it.  Please look at 
the dates cited and reconsider what you are writing.

	--YFE


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>   kmcvay@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
>  In article <29AUG199616015160@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>, 
>  dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote:

>  > Most of the recent work merging document processing applications has
>  > happened since Giwer was uncerimoniously retired from work due to his
>  > alleged drinking problems.  He may not have been sober long enough
>  > since to keep up with recent software developments.
  
>  Given that Visicalc and Lotus 123, circa 1982-1984, both
>  included instructions for using their products as word
>  processors, I'd say that the problem you note above existed
>  long before the "retirement" of this rude chap.

	I guess it's his monumental ignorance that makes one of the best 
bankruptcy lawyers I know David Dunn (610-439-1500) use a spreadsheet as a 
word processor for his bankruptcy filings.  He claims that his secretary can knock 
out two or three basic Chapter 7 or Chapter 13 filings in an afternoon using his 
spreadsheet format. 

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Sinking McVay - down, down, down
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
> 
>  >Mr. Moran -- you are a sexual Pervect, you play dice with gangsters,
>  >you cheat on your state income tax, and you fraternize with known
>  >haberdashers.  All this has been proven many times in this forum.
>  >It's all available on the web of course.  Your failure to respond to
>  >any of it is simply admission of your own guilt.  How do you respond
>  >to this?
  
>  	Thank you, Jamie McCarthy, co-Webmaster of Nizkor, the anti-hate
>  "Holocaust Educational Resource" web page, for your public endorsement
>  of record for Nizkor Webmaster Ken McVay's public allegation that
>  Moran's sister is a hooker. 

	Thank you for endorsing the rest of McCarthy's points.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: It is libel to call me a nazi.
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>  In article , Mark Van Alstine 
wrote:

>  >Silly Nazi. Of _course_ I (or Mr. Edeiken) the the (Constituionallly
>  >protected) right to call members of the America First movement Nazis. Of
>  >course, it also helps, from a argumentative point, that they also
>  >supported the Nazis and shared their ideological bed. 

>    But don't you have laws against slander and libel in the USA? If somebody
>   calls me a nazi in public and I sue him he will actually have to prove
>   that I am nazi.

	A piece of cake.

>    A very important feature in nazism is dictatorship
>   as well a social darwinism. Without being an adherent of this it will be 
>   libel to call somebody a nazi.

	An American jury would laugh at this argument.



>  There have also been several cases in DK
>   where opponents of immigration have been called racists in public. A racist 
>   is defined as one who think that his race is superior to others and that 
>   one race has a natural right to rule over other races. Those anti-
>   immigration people had never advocated such views, and they therefore won 
>   their cases.

	You, on the other hand, have advocated those views.

  
>   Remember that the term "racist" and in particular "nazi" are very 
>   negatively charged, and you should therefore be very carefull by labelling 
>   somebody with these terms in order to avoid to be taken to the court.

	On the other hand, nazi boy, when the shoe fits  . . . . .

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   Keith Morrison  writes:
>  schwartz@infinet.com wrote:

>  > Anyone else out there you hate for no particular reason, Mr. Giwer?
  
>  I believe he has referred to "spics" on at least one occassion.

	And let us not forget his recent response to a remark that the Romany, 
as well as the Jews were murdered by his nazi friends:

	"Everybody hates the gypsies."

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:


>  >	How many American Jews have won the Nobel Prize in the sciences, 
>  >l'il tommy?
  
>  	I don't know. But they all have European names, mostly German.
>  Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

	You, it should be noted, have a distinct European name.
  
>  	I have seen many times Jews citing the Nobel Prize, but I don't
>  ever recall seeing a direct German rave about the ones they have
>  recieved - or anyone else. Its a Jewish trait to self rave. In the
>  U.S. medias, it is the 2% doing the 100% raving.

	Where have you looked?  Or are you just making up another of you 
anti-Semitic lies?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Ausrotten again
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  Must I always do your work for you?  It is obvious that Himmler is
>  referring here to the warfare with the Partisans.  This explanation
>  ]has been posted often enough.

	Your explanation simply does not convince.



>  Now, how about answering a
>  question for us:  who found these tapes, where did they find them,
>  when did they find them, and under what circumstances?  Inquiring
>  minds want to know.....

	What difference does that make?  Are you stating that the tapes are 
not a speech given by Himmler?

	If so, there is a little proposition outstanding  . . . . .

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Ausrotten and the only good Indian is a dead Indian
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 3 Sep 1996 02:46:27 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

  
>  >	Can you explain why you claim membership in organizations which 
>  >regularly recognize their existence?
  
>  	What are you yammering about now?  

	Sure, Matty poo.  You have bragged about your memberships in 
organizations which recognize that there is a religion known as Wicca which 
describes certain of their members as witches.  They are regularly asked to give 
presentations at their meetings and conventions.

	Have you protested the fact that this regularly done?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   Brian Harmon  writes:
>  Matt Giwer wrote:

  
>  >         In fact even if they were "gas chambers" then, given their genesis, it
>  > would be highly surprising to find no cyanide traces. What is found,
>  > in relationship to other samples is not out of the ordinary anymore
>  > than finding traces of RAID or Max bug spray.
  
>  Is there cyanide in Raid, Matt?  Care to provide us with the active 
>   ingredients of that bug spray?

	What you seem to forget is Matt's delightful delusion that 
continuously flooding a room where people are working with cyanide gas is an 
accepted method for killing flies.  I am not sure, but I believe he also reccommends 
dynamite for getting rid of cockroachs.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Put up or shut up, Mr. Giwer: The Himmler tape
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On Mon, 02 Sep 1996 14:17:06 -0400, schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
>  
>  >In article <4vjs9v$ib3@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
>  >(Matt  Giwer) wrote:
>  
>  >> 
>  >>         It is interesting to read that Nizkor/DOD has created a false claim as
>  >> to this person being Himler.  
>  
>  >1. There is no Nizkor/DOD
	Old "Boy Am I One Hell of a Scientist" Giwer still refuses to give an 
answer as to whether he will participate in a simple experiment.

	--YFE



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

  
>  	Who said the haftarah, read before this new version, was written
>  in Hebrew?

	Anybody who knows the first thing about Jewish religious writings.  
You, of courcer, are not included in that number (I recall that you did not even 
know what the Torah is).

	In which language do you think it might have been written: Sanskrit?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:


>  As you well know, Andy, the IHR has no connection, indeed SEVERED
>  all connections with Carto BECAUSE of Carto's anti-Semitism.

	Do you have some information to support this contention?  I have 
asked Greg Raven several times and he has demurred.

	In fact, all the people who were involved in the take-over were 
selected and hired by Carto and worked for him for years.  His anti-Semitism and 
the anti-Semitism he infused into the IHR was well-known.  They did not wake 
up one morning and discover he was an anti-Semite.

	Now: upon what information do you base your contention?

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 31 Aug 1996 23:53:20 GMT, libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c
>  anderson) wrote:

  
>  >Actually, Matt, the statement you responded to was that the person
>  >in question believed in witches--not the devil.  Nevertheless, I
>  >wasn't responding to that statement, or to your reply--I was pointing
>  >out that deniers, like you, often engage in name calling.
  
>  >Any questions?
  
>  	Yes.
  
>  	Are you enough of an idiot to believe in witches?  

	Are you telling us that there is no Wiccan religion?

	Can you explain why you claim membership in organizations which 
regularly recognize their existence?

	--YFE		


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  	How ridiculous. If a Jew wants to have something published, it
>  gets published.

[snip]


>  	Interesting conclusion, but no explanations to back it up. 

	You took the words right out of my mouth.

	--YFE


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>   qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:

>  
>  Tom Moran, Matt Giwer and Duncan Coons don't hate Jews one way or 
>  the other.  I'm not a revisionist or a Jew hater, I like the
>  Jewish religion, it's just their race leaves something that needs to be 
>  controlled for their own good.

	l'il tommy is a Jew hater from the word "go."  Face it, a guy whose is 
so twisted by hatred that he will misidentify the actions of the KKKK as those of a 
"Jewish group" even after his error has been pointed out cannot be otherwise 
described.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

  
>  	As to your above. You probably get the idea of "hate" from the
>  posts. If the post is negative about Jewish activity it is "hate".
>  "Hate" is your conclusion, nothing more. What you should do is show
>  the posts to be "hate" as they take place.

	This has been regularly done with your posts.

  
>  	Can a true statement be hateful? Can inference from a true
>  statement be hateful? Can a conclusion from a true statement be
>  hateful?

	Which of your "true statements" are you talking about.  Most of your 
comments about Jews are outrageous lies.  Example:  your description of the 
plaintiffs in the case Pinette v. Capital Square as a "Jewish group."  It was the 
KKKK.  Another example: your description of the International teram analysing the 
Dead Sea Scrolls as "the Jews."  They were in fact a group from which Jews had 
been sytematically excluded and which was dominated by Catholic priests.

	Are those the kind of "true statements" you are referring to.
>  
>  	You want to read lots of hate. Read the N.Y. and L.A. Times and
>  watch what the Jews say about others. The whole thing is 'Our enemies
>  are your enemies', bomb 'em, shoot 'em, maim 'em, jail 'em, censor
>  'em. 

	Please note that l'il tommy does not cite a single example.  How typical 
of this Jew-hating mamzer.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	Then look up his report and read it.

>  >  	The incubation period for typhus is approximately 14 days.  It "runs 
>  >  rampant" only when relatively simple public health measures are not taken.  
The 
>  >  fatality rate for typhus is about 10% in most populations.  It is easily 
controlled.

>  I don't need to look up his report.  You are the one making accusations that
>  there were autopsies done on people who had allegedly been gassed.

	No.  Dr. Larson is making that statement.  He did so in a complete 
report.  If you do not believe look it up.  If you are too lazy or too stupid that is your 
problem.

  
>  As to your final point about typhus:  At Bergen Belsen, 13,000 deaths occurred 
>  in a 6 week period following liberation.  At Dachau they died at a rate of 200 
per
>  day for the first week.  Between April 30 and June 16, 1945, 2,466 deaths were 
>  recorded, with diminishing numbers thereafter.  Deaths were due to typhus, 
tuber-
>  culosis, malnutrition, dysentery and other causes.  So much for your nonsense.

	Sorry that medical science is beyond your limited ken.  I note, first, that 
you lump typhus in with other diseases.  The fact is that there were few deaths 
>from  typhus after the first month.  This would be the normal course of the disease 
for people who had contracted it while the nazis ran the camp.  The same can be 
said for tuberculosis and malnutrition.  Both of which take a considerable amount 
of time to reach the fatal stage.  Modern medicine working with famines in Europe 
have found that it takes approximately 30 days to stabilize a person who has been 
victims of famine and a minimum of 90 days of care before health is recovered.  
The statistics you present are consistent with this.

	Second, it should be noted that with minimal public health methods the 
typhus epidemic -- which for some reason the nazis could never control -- was 
eradicated within 30-60 days. This is consistent with the 1921 typhus epidemic in 
New York -- the last public typhus outbreak in the United States.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Who owns the Fed? Baron answers his critics
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>   Alexander Baron  writes:
>  In article <5035g7$slf@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" 
writes:
>  
>  
>  > The slight factual content of
>  >  his 
>  > post show only that Lyin' Al was aware:
 
>  >         1.  That the Federal Reserve System is not a single entity 
>  > but is composed of 12 banks and a board of governors.
  
>  Conspiracy theorists such as Gary Allen claim that the New York bank is the
>  real power and that the others are white elephants. Allen's book - right or
>  wrong - was endorsed by at least one leading American Jewish conservative.

	I do not care what a nutcase like Allen thinks about one of the twelve 
banks; I would like the proof you promised that the Fed was owned by eight 
banks with Jewish names.

	By the way: do you know what a "white elephant" is?  I doubt that 
even a nutball like like Allen described *any* federal reserve bank as one.


   
>  >         2.  That those banks are owned by the "national" banks in the region 
>  > in which they operate and the board of governors is appointed by the 
president.

	No answer from Lyin' Al.

 
>  >         3.  That the charge that the Federal Reserve is owned by eight banks 
>  > is a "fantasy."

	No answer from Lyin' Al.

 
>  >         It should be noted that the post which began those thread was wrong 
>  > and that Lyin' Al agreed with the main facts of that post.  He disagreed only
>  >  with 
>  > the statement that Jews owned those banks.
 
>  >         The "Phamphlet" that Lyin' Al is selling is pathetic even by his low 
>  > standards.
  
>  On the contrary it contains a detailed rebuttal of many anti-Semitic fallacies
>  and was reviewed favourably by LOBSTER, the parapolitics magazine.

	I have never read LOBSTER.  If they favorably reviewed your 
compilation of letters from the lunatic fringe, I doubt I would ever wish to.  You still 
have not presented a single word to indicate that the Fed is owned by however 
many banks with Jewish names.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: {Anti-}{Dr. Fuckhead|Rich Graves} And The Forgery Attacks
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>   qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:

>  The USA immigration law is explicit on the subject.  Refugees have
>  preference over others in the law.

	The immigration laws certainly are specific.  Perhaps you should read 
them.  Refugees are *not* admitted under the normal immigartion law; they are 
admitted under a special law dealing with refugees.

>  Eighty percent is the quota 
>  allocated to Jewish refugees from the Soviet Union.

	There is *no* quota under the refugee act.  Refugees are, however, 
deducted from the national allocation.

>  Of the refugees
>  from the former USSR, in other words, eighty percent must be Jewish.

	You seem to be confusing "immigration" with "refugee."  They are two 
different concepts in immigration law.  There is *no* requirement concerning how 
many refugees are admitted.

>  And of the total number of immigrants from the former Soviet Union,
>  eighty percent happened to be Jewish.  I've seen this in the news.
>  You probably have too.  I've only seen in reported in highly positive
>  presentations by the news.  So have you.  You believe news items
>  shouldn't be taken out of the original contextual bias of the 
>  original items.

	You might well be correct about the percentage of refugees from the 
former Soviet Union who wre Jews.  I am not sure that the statistics are as high 
since the dissolution of the Soviet Union.  Please note, however, that it would have 
been relatively easy to establish a case of religious persecution -- one of the key 
qualifications for refugee status.  In fact, it is the best one available to an average 
citizen.

	By the way, please share yur research with Giwer and JFB who have 
both claimed that no statistics for religion are kept for those granted refugee status.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 3 Sep 1996 01:18:02 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  >>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) lies as usual:
>  >  
>  >  		
>  >>  	A while back a Mr.Stein posted "The Trial of Tom Moran". He
>  >>  bellowed he was going to show that Moran was "anti-Semitic". The only
>  >>  thing that ensued was one of his cohorts jumped in to say that Moran
>  >>  should turn himself in to some court authority. No alt.revisionism
>  >>  trial ever took place. Mr. Stein never made an attempt.
>  
>  >	No one ever made that suggestion.  The challenge was to present the 
>  >evidence to an impartial tribunal.  The result of that suggestion was that you 
>  >demonstrated the total lack of conviction you have about your statements.  
You 
>  >won't even give it a direct answer.
>  
>  	About as impartial as the war crimes tribunals where even the judges
>  threatened witnesses when they do not give the correct testimony.

	Which, of course, never happened at Nuremberg except in your 
imagination.  Care to giver a citation to the transcript where it happaened?

	Face it, Matty poo you've been caught lying again.


>  But
>  of course our gosh awful for real attorney holds that is normal trial
>  procedure and completely supports it.  

	You are a liar.  I have never said anything of the kind nor could I have. 
It never happened.

	But don't worry Matty poo just because you were caught lying again.  
Just make your usual obnoxious name-calling and get on with your drinking.

	--YFE  



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ~650,000 Polish Jews in ~1870 to ~3,250,000 in 1942?
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>   qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:

>  ! >  ! The Polish census' of about 1870-80 counted 600-700,000 residents 
under 
>  ! >  ! the Jewish religion.  How did it grow to 3-3.5,000,000 in 1942, breeding 
>  ! >  ! and/or immigration?  That would be very fast breeding, wouldn't it?  
Were 
>  ! >  ! the majority of the Jews in Poland of 1942 relatively recent immigrants 
>  ! >  ! from elsewhere? 
 
>  ! 	A rather interesting assertion.  Have you ever looked at a map of 
>  ! Europe in 1870?  If you ahve one that shows Poland as a country with the 
same 
>  ! borders it had in 1942 (or 1939) pleace post it at once.  So would most 
historians.  
>  ! I would al;so be interested in learning about the Polish government who took 
such 
>  ! a census.  So would most historians.
>  ! 
>  ! >  Jews couldn't have increased that much.  The ~3,250,000 figure is a 
fake.
>  ! 
>  ! 	So is your knowledge of Polish history.


>  Fuckhead.  I was aware of your positions on what you brought up this 
>  post.  I don't know how relevent the reported ~650,000 figure is by
>  two Polish censuses.  That's why I asked.  And you lie if you claim
>  to be more diligent in your searches than I.

	The relevance is simple.  Apparently your "research" did not include a 
simple check of the maps of Poland in 1870 and 1939.  Had you done the 
answer to your question would have been obvious.  If you perform this rather 
simple exercise and still do not understand -- ask again.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 3 Sep 1996 01:49:01 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Then look up his report and read it.
  
>  	It has been posted here.  It is no such thing.  It is testimony that
>  would only be acceptable at an inquisition, as any attorney knows.  

	It is acceptable as evidence in any federal court in the United States. 
and most states.  Federal  Rule or Evidence 703 states:

	"The facts or data in the particular case upon which an expert bases 
his opinion or inference may be those perceived by him or made known to the 
expert at or before the hearing.  If of a type reasonably relied upon by experts in 
the particular field in forming opinions or inferences upon the the subject, the 
facts or data need not be admissible into evidence."

>  
>  >	The incubation period for typhus is approximately 14 days.  It "runs 
>  >rampant" only when relatively simple public health measures are not taken.  
The 
>  >fatality rate for typhus is about 10% in most populations.  It is easily 
controlled.
  
>  	Ah, yes, controlled with food, water, and medicine which were not
>  available moving the death rate from 10% under ideal conditions to
>  what?  

	The prime public health measure is not food.  It is not water.  
It is not medicine.  It is *isolation.*  If you separate those with typhus or even 
those suspected of having typhus from the healthy population typhus is 
controlled.  The death rates are hard to predict because typhus was controlled 
world-wide before WWII.  The 10% is not under "ideal" conditions. In the 
western Soviet Union in 1918-21 where there was a complete breakdown of 
medical care and nutrition.  Zinnser estimates 30,000,000 cases of typhus there 
and about 3,000,000 deaths.  Do the math yourself if you can.  I have seen 
one source that states there is a possibility -- under extreme conditions -- of a 
40% death rate with many of the deaths attributable to secondary disease.

	You really should open a book or two before you open your mouth.


  
>  	You continue to makes your lies for the holocaust public no matter 
how
>  many times they are exposed.  

	When was the last time you exposed one.  Or do you still believe that 
head lice are the vectors for typhus?  Or are you referring to your statement that 
Washington's encampment at Valley Forge did not occur during the American 
Revolution?

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 2 Sep 1996 12:04:08 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >Without getting too deeply in this, I would like to read any of Larson's 
autopsies
>  >for people allegedly found gassed at Dachau.  
  
>  	They existed back during the trials "by reference" but were never
>  produced and can not be found.  He was also permitted to testify to
>  matters upon which he had no personal knowledge when it came to
>  describing the gas chambers that existed for the trials but ceased to
>  exist later.  

	Where have you looked?

	Larson's complete report was used at trial.  It is generally available from 
several public sources as it was later made a part of the Congressional Record.  
He described that which he saw.  It included operating gas chambers and 
victims of those gas cahmbers.



  
>  	In other words it was a typical war crimes trial that used the legal
>  tradition of the Inquisition -- but then I denigrate the inquisition.

	Odd.  I thought the Federal Rules of Evidence (Rule 703 is posted 
elsewhere) were written for U.S. courts.

	You have a very odd view as to how trials are conducted.

	--YFE


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Extract from the interrogation of Higher SS and Police Leader Friedrich Jeckeln 
(December 14, 1945):

	Q: What countries were the Jews in Salaspils brought from?

	A: Jews were brought from Germany, France, Belgium, Holland, 
Czechoslovakia, and from other occupied countries to the Salaspils camp.  To 
give a precise count of the Jews in the Salaspils camp would be difficult.  In any 
case, all the Jews from this camp were exterminated.  But I would like to make 
an additional statement while we are on this topic.

	Q: What statement would you like to make?

	A: I would like to state for the record that Goering shares in the guilt for 
the liquidation of the Jewish convoys that arrived from other countries.  In the 
first half of February 1942 I received a letter from Heyrich.  In this letter he wrote 
that Reich Marshall Goering had gotten himself involved in teh Jewish question, 
and that Jews were now being shipped to the East for annihilation only with 
Goering's approval.

	--quoted in Fleming "Hitler and the Final Solution"  pp. 96-7


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  	I regret that I can not lie to support a Mossad murderer.  Now if cash
>  were to come my way ... you have my address 

	How about a bottle of Boone's Farm?

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

  
>  	I'd be interested in knowing myself, Mr., Dr. Mittleman.

	Now that you are asking about other's degrees, how about your own?

	Please tell us what high school claims you as a drop-out?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  	Anyone who identifies with anything that is without rational
>  foundation is an idiot.  That includes Christians, Moslems and Jews.

	It  also includes, apparently Matty poo.

	The person around here who  identifies with something without any 
rational basis is our resident six-year-old, Matty poo.  Matty poo has stated 
without any rational basis that the tape of Himmler making a speech at Posen is 
a forgery.

	When Matty poo was offered the opportunity for a rational test of his 
statements, he refused.

	I do not generally comment on the religions of others, but one concept 
is clear.  There is no religion so irrational that it is not superior to that in which 
Matty poo believes.

	--YFE	


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  >	Sure, Matty poo.  You have bragged about your memberships in 
>  >organizations 
  
>  	You are a liar.  I have only mentioned in my years being a member of
>  the NRA and the Libertarian Party.  

	And the World Science Fiction Convention.
  
>  	What would really be interesting would be to find you are really an
>  attorney and to transmit your posts to the Penn Bar.  It would then be
>  up to them.  


	Easy enough to check. Matty poo.  There is a book called 
Martindale-Hubbell available at any library.

	Should you wish the number of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania 
(attorney registration office I would be gald to supply it).  Please, Matty poo, 
please, please, please make a complaint to them.  I will even promise to post the 
testimony you give at the deposition.

	--YFE #40290


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On Tue, 3 Sep 1996 06:27:26 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>  wrote:

  
>  >This is a lie; a common type of lie from Nazis who deny the
>  >Holocaust - they lie and misquote witnesses, in order to make
>  >them appear unreliable; since there was no such mass gassing
>  >in Belsen, Giwer is trying to make it appear as if a witness
>  >said there was such gassing, in order to "prove" that this
>  >witness was lying.
  
>  	Of course the witness was lying.  He was testifying at a war crimes
>  trial was he not?  The defense was not permitted to challenge
>  witnesses in those trials.  Judges threatened witnesses with
>  imprisonment if they did not admit to gassing in those trials.  

	Bullshit, Matty poo.  You've been caught again and, as usual you are 
making it up.


>  	So what is your point?  By now everyone knows what those "trials" 
were
>  like and that they are the only basis for the holocaust legends.  

	Sure.  they were trials like any other trial.  The defendants were given 
the right to cross-examine all witnesses and to present testimony and other 
evidence to prove their case.

	--YFE



From yawen@enter.net Thu Sep  5 15:42:11 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer Thinks that U.S. Courts are part of the Inquisition
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

  
>  	Right here.  It was posted.  We have been over this.  Look it up.  

	The complete report was not posted here.  I posted only the 
conclusions.  The acutal report runs about 100 pages.

  
>  >	Larson's complete report was used at trial.  It is generally available from 
>  >several public sources as it was later made a part of the Congressional 
Record.  
>  >He described that which he saw.  It included operating gas chambers and 
>  >victims of those gas cahmbers.
  
>  	Let us examine the prima facia value of your claim.
  
>  	You claim that he described an operating gas chamber.  You therefore
>  claim that the US Army was permitting a gas chamber to continue
>  operating for him to observe.  


	No such claim was made.  The gas chamber was in place; he 
examined it.  Cadavers were present.  He made observations about them and 
rendered a medical opinion as to the casue of death.  What is so hard to 
understand.  Please try to stay sober when you are reading.

>  >	You have a very odd view as to how trials are conducted.
  
>  	But I do know how they were conducted.  And I also know that 
someone
>  like you who claims to be an attorney supports courts like this.

	You have no knowledge as to how they were conducted.  You have 
proven this time and again with your lies.  For example, your statements that 
convicitions were obtained and men executed for the Katyn Forest Massacre 
and your statement that Hoess was acquitted.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Sep  5 15:42:12 PDT 1996
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>   Alexander Baron  writes:
>  In article <322b1602.11258361@news.pacificnet.net>
>             tm@pacificnet.net "tom moran" writes:
>  
>  > Mr.Edeiken, claimed he
>  > had lost 160 relatives in the Holocaust and Moran challenged him.
>  > Mr.Edeiken said he was going to post the proof, "I will this weekend".
>  > Nothing ever came of it.
  
>  To lose one relative is unfortunate. To lose 160 is careless.
>  Actually, this is one of the biggest Exterminationist tricks. They make outrageous
>  claims, lies, say they will back them up, then don't. For the obvious reason.
>  Does anyone remember the thread about the photograph of the gas chamber 
that 
>  was supposed to exist in action? This is mentioned by Reitlinger. Then there are
>  the documents which are supposed to refer to extermination. They are all 
>  quietly forgotten now.

	The claim is neither false nor outrageous, you anti-Semitic chuck of 
human excrement.  Moran lied and you, like the gullbile asshole you are bought it 
hook, line, and sinker.  What Moranleft out was that the offer was withdrawn after 
Moran announced what "fun" it would be to examine the list.

	The point is a simple one.  That many members of my extended family (I 
included those related by marriage) were murdered.

	Can they be named?

	A piece of cake.  But pay for the privilege, Lyin' Al.  Propose a wager on 
it. $100.00 a name would be about right.  Care to put your money up?

	--YFE


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>   Alexander Baron  writes:


>  In article <50golg$93j@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" 
writes:
>  >         By the way: do you know what a "white elephant" is?  I doubt that 
>  > even a nutball like like Allen described *any* federal reserve bank as one.

>  Allen was not a nut and he did.

	Then he is, prima facie, a nutball.  Do either you or he know what a 
"white elephant" is?


>      
>  > >  >         2.  That those banks are owned by the "national" banks in the
>  >  region 
>  > >  > in which they operate and the board of governors is appointed by the 
>  > president.
 
>  >         No answer from Lyin' Al.
  
>  And the American people own the debt they owe to themselves?

	Still no answer from Lyin' Al.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer Thinks that U.S. Courts are part of the Inquisition
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  	Odd.  I thought the Federal Rules of Evidence (Rule 703 is posted 
>  >  elsewhere) were written for U.S. courts.
  
>  >  	You have a very odd view as to how trials are conducted.

>  "Describing" that which he "saw" is not evidence of cyanide poisoning.  
Where are
>  the autopsy reports and list of tests done to confirm the cause of death as 
cyanide?

	"'Describing' that which he 'saw'" is exactly what an autopsy report is. 
 Have you ever seen one?  When a qualified expert gives an opinion based on 
his own observation, it is evidence.  Larson's report was based upon numerous 
autopsies and inspections of cadavers which he performed.  Cyanide poisoning 
is fairly easily determined by an expert.

	--YFE


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>   qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:

>  The Federal Reserve System is composed of one bank with twelve
>  branches run by a board of directors.

	12 USCA section 221 states differently.


>  
>  ! 	2.  That those banks are owned by the "national" banks in the region 
>  ! in which they operate and the board of governors is appointed by the president.
  
>  The twelve branches are owned by the one central Federal Reserve 
>  System, a bank run by a board of directors appointed by the president
>  of the USA.

	The 12 regional banks are, by law, owned by the national banks in that 
region.

>  
>  ! 	3.  That the charge that the Federal Reserve is owned by eight banks 
>  ! is a "fantasy."
  
>  The eight Jewish run banks are the Federal Monetary system, a
>  system that has been in place since the predecession of World
>  War I.

	Funny most of thought the Fed, for better or for worse, ran out monetary 
system.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 5 Sep 1996 00:02:53 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	And the World Science Fiction Convention.
  
>  	There is no such organization.  But you know that.  

	Funny, I've been to about 20 of those non-existent gatherings.

    
	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 3 Sep 1996 13:39:30 GMT, libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c
>  anderson) wrote:
>
>  
>  >I'm not sure how that can be considered a contradiction, Matt.  Everybody
>  >who has studied the tape agrees that it's Himmler.  You deny it, for 
>  >reasons you haven't made clear.  You've been presented with a simple
>  >challenge:  the tape can be subjected to voice analysis, and if it's 
>  >Himmler, you pay for the analysis.  So far, you show every sign of 
>  >chickening out.
  
>  >But that's not suprising.
  
>  	You holos are still lying out of both sides of your huggers.  I am not
>  impressed wtih this crap.  You holos have no idea what you are
>  supporting.  You post contrary to each other and you lie in support of
>  each other.

	Easy enough for you to prove it, Matty poo.  You can even make Nizkor pay 
for proving you are right and they are lying.

	But you won't.

	I don't blame you.  No liar like you wants to be publically exposed.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  	Second, it should be noted that with minimal public health methods the 
>  >  typhus epidemic -- which for some reason the nazis could never control -- 
was 
>  >  eradicated within 30-60 days. This is consistent with the 1921 typhus 
epidemic in 
>  >  New York -- the last public typhus outbreak in the United States.

>  Seeing that you think you are so clever, Dr. Kildare, why don't you explain for 
us how the
>  U.S. dealt with the outbreak of hunger-typhus in Berlin in 1945-1946?  Don't 
>  compare the resources of the United States in combatting Typhus with the
>  resources of the Germans in 1945, when practically the whole country was
>  in ruins.

	First, I am using an outbreak in 1921, when the etiology of typhus was 
not well-known.  The typhus outbreak in Berlin was easliy contained within a few 
weeks.  Considering the incubation period of 10-14 days this was a fairly good job. 
 Second, typhus was rampant in the KZ as early as 1942 -- a time when the whole 
country was not in ruins.

	The fact that the deniers chose typhus as their explanation whenever 
confronted with the horrors that were the nazi KZs is one of the mysteries of life.  
Although the disease has been virtually non-existent in the western world since 
WWI most people in public health are very familiar with the disease for the simple 
reason that over 90% have read "Rats, Lice, and History."  One of my public 
heath textbooks ("Introduction to the Study of Disease"  Boyd & Sheldon, 7th 
edition) actually apologizes for the inclusion of a page of material on typhus and 
explains it as being due to a fascination with  Zinnser's book.  As far as problems 
dealing with are concerned -- practically it's a yawner.  The only ones who 
seemingly couldn't control it were the nazis.  And, then, only in the KZs.

	--YFE


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>   qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
>  In <50l2i5$a6r@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  
>  ! >   qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:

>  ! >  The USA immigration law is explicit on the subject.  Refugees have
>  ! >  preference over others in the law.
 
>  ! 	The immigration laws certainly are specific.  Perhaps you should read 
>  ! them.  Refugees are *not* admitted under the normal immigartion law; they are 
>  ! admitted under a special law dealing with refugees.
  
>  I don't care for the obscurantist interpretations of immigration 
>  laws.

	Sure.  Why let facts get in the way of your theories.

>  The mere breakup of the Soviet Union and the INS has not changed
>  their interpretation of this law!

	For someone not concerned how the INS views the laws they enforce, 
you seem to pretend to have some knowledge of it.  You are wrong.  The INS no 
longer considers a Jewish immigrant from Russia as eligible for refugee status.  I 
believe that the status might still be used for *some* of the new "republics."
	  
>  Then why has the USA decided that worshippers of the Russian Orthodox 
>  Church are not victims of religious persecution? 

	When the Soviet union was intact Seventh Day Adventists and the 
practicing members of other Christian groups were considered refugees.  They, like 
the Jews, are no longer considered to qualify as refugees.

	If you have any other questions you wish cleared up, I will give you the 
name of a good immigration attorney.  He was regional counsel for the INS until two 
years ago.  He has very patiently answered my questions.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Sep  5 23:11:28 PDT 1996
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >
>  >	The claim is neither false nor outrageous, you anti-Semitic chuck of 
>  >human excrement.  Moran lied and you, like the gullbile asshole you are 
bought it 
>  >hook, line, and sinker.  What Moranleft out was that the offer was 
withdrawn after 
>  >Moran announced what "fun" it would be to examine the list.
>  >
>  >	The point is a simple one.  That many members of my extended family 
(I 
>  >included those related by marriage) were murdered.
>  >
>  >	Can they be named?
>  >
>  >	A piece of cake.  But pay for the privilege, Lyin' Al.  Propose a wager 
on 
>  >it. $100.00 a name would be about right.  Care to put your money up?

  
>  	He's trying to bluff, with the 100 dollars trick. He has nothing.
>  He's a liar. A little boy. He's thoroughly corrupt. 

	Then why don't you call it, l'iol tommy.

  
>  	Tell him to go by the rules for submitting evidence according to
>  U.S. criteria. He says he's a lawyer, so we should expect he know
>  whats up.

	I certainly do.  Arbitration, anyone?

  
>  	Mr.Edeiken's claim to have lost 160 relatives in the Holocaust
>  exemplifies the general trend of Holocaust evidence. Lies.

	But please note that, as usual l'il tommy does not put his money 
where is mouth is.

	--YFE


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>   Alexander Baron  writes:
 
>  > >  !    You have been asked for a cite to something from the ADL.  You 
>  > have 
>  > >  ! failed utterly to do so.

>  I gave you plenty of citations, check out Crying Wolf to start with.

	This is not a statement from the ADL claiming that 205 of Americans 
are anti-Semites.


> These 
>  scumbags have been successfully sued for libel on more than one occasion.

	None of those suits -- which you do not name -- was for a statement by 
the ADL that 20% of Americans are anti-Semites.
 The

>  fact that you appear to support them both unquestioningly and uncritically 
>  gives further ammunition to organised anti-Semites. But that's really not 
>  surprising knowing you.

	The fact remains that you lied about them.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
  
>  	If those co-conspirators would identify themselves rather than begging
>  off from any claim of active participation then they can be named in
>  the lawsuit against Nizkor.  
  
>  	They vanish the instant the lawsuit is mentioned.  

	Sure Matty poo.  But that was only because they were rolling around 
on the floor laughing.  As soon as they recovered the popped up again. . . . . and 
asked to be included in the party.

	The more the merrier . . . . . especially when attorney's fees are 
awarded.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  	"'Describing' that which he 'saw'" is exactly what an autopsy report is. 
>  >   Have you ever seen one?  When a qualified expert gives an opinion based 
on 
>  >  his own observation, it is evidence.  Larson's report was based upon 
numerous 
>  >  autopsies and inspections of cadavers which he performed.  Cyanide 
poisoning 
>  >  is fairly easily determined by an expert.

>  Yes, I have seen autopsy reports.  And now, I'd like to see Larson's.

	Then look it up.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  	If and ONLY IF it is of the body being autopseied and there are no
>  such reports.  

	Are you now denying that Dr. Larson conducted autopsies?


>  >When a qualified expert gives an opinion based on 
>  >his own observation, it is evidence.  
>  
>  	Which of course he presents within the report.  First in forensic
>  terms on the cover sheet and then in medical terms in the body of the
>  report.  

	You must therefore read the report.  Yu are the one challenging its 
conclusions.  Go to work, Matty poo.

>  >Larson's report was based upon numerous 
>  >autopsies and inspections of cadavers which he performed.  Cyanide 
poisoning 
>  >is fairly easily determined by an expert
  
>  	It is good to see you admit that there are no autopsey reports.  None
>  were prepared or presented.  None exist.  

	I admit nothing of the kind.  His report was presented and is part of 
the record.
  
>  	It is also good to see that an attorney such as yourself would be
>  suprised to see one in a criminal case.  

	Why would I be surprised.  Larson did a job of a forensic pathologist.  
He was not dealing with a single case but several hundred.  If his report was 
deficient then demonstrate that.  The conclusions have been posted here.  If 
you do not like them -- disprove them.

	That's your job not mine.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 5 Sep 1996 06:34 MST, dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny
>  Mittleman) wrote:

>  >    What?  You are making a threat to report him for offering a legal
>  >    opinion that you deem to be wrong?


  
>  	Most state bars have rather serious prohibitions against offering
>  legal opinions in absense of a full and complete knowledge of the
>  circumstances of the person (persons) in this case that it is being
>  offered to.  


	Since I did not offer a legal opinion on copyright, your statement is silly.


>  	So far as I can see, he has already given opinions that have
>  encouraged people to admit to conspiracy to libel with McVay in the
>  event libel can be shown by McVay.  Were it not for thier posts
>  wanting to be included in the lawsuit then they would likely never
>  have been named and even if named then conspiracy would have to have
>  ben separately proved but no longer.  


	This is gibberish.  That is a legal opinion.



  
>  	So should anyone be caught in this they can recover their losses from
>  his because of his public legal opinions.  

	Caught in what a "conspiracy to libel?"  Please name a single court that 
recognizes that criminal charge.

  
>  	And that is why bar associations do not take kindly to such opinions.

	Please complain about what I have written here.  You have threatened 
several times and I ahve asked you to several times.  You are simply lying and do 
not have the guts to follow through.  You know very well what would happen 
when you do so.

	--YFE 


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>   Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:

>    I said _several times_ that I read Speer in his own words 2 years ago.
>   I've a lot of stuff to read. Perhaps I'll read again his book but I don't
>   see why I would see anything more than the first time.

	Actaully you have claimed that you did *not* read Speer's book 
"Infiltration" but only certain portions of it.

	--YFE


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>   libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:
>  Matt  Giwer (mgiwer@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

>  : 	He was not in the camp described.  Therefore they lied.  What is so
>  : hard about that?  
  
>  You have proof they lied, Matt?  The last I heard, the Israeli
>  Supreme Court did not rule that Demjanjuk was not Ivan--they
>  ruled that there was a reasonable doubt.
  
>  Do you understand the difference, Matt?

	Do you really think that somebody who announces that "testimony is 
not evidence" could understand the difference.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

  
>  DR SEIDL: When the witness was heard here I had no opportunity to
>  cross-examine him, and for that reason ....
  
>  PRESIDENT: Why did you have no opportunity to cross examine him?
  
>  DR SEIDL: Because I did not know beforehand that he would be called by
>  the
>  Prosecution as a witness and had no opportunity to speak to the
>  Defendant
>  Frank about the questions which might have been put to the witness.

>  DR SEIDL: May I perhaps add something to this point?  The difficulty
>  of cross
>  examination is just this, that we do not learn of the intended calling
>  of a
>  witness by the Prosecution until the witness is led into the
>  courtroom, and
>  we do not know the subject of the evidence until the Prosecution start
>  to
>  examine the witness.
>  
>  
  
>  Source: IMT, VIII, p. 521

	In most courts the judge gives a ruling.  Why is no ruling given here?

	The answer is obvious.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

  
>  	It is great to read so many people support criminal copyright
>  violation and conspiract to same.  

	Violations of the copyright law are not criminal violations.
  
>  	Even Edeiken knows that the legislative history of "educational
>  purposes" does not support Nizkor but he publically posts a legal
>  opinion that such copyright violation is within the law.  

	This is an outright lie.

	I have never posted a legal opinion on copyright law.  I have never 
given one privately.  There is a simple reason for this.  The Copyright Law was 
radically amended in 1988 to conform with the Berne Convention  and I had not 
even read it until this morning.

	What I found is that you were lying.   First, the "legistlative history" is not 
quite relevant.  The Historical Notes (taken From Notes of Committee on the 
Judiciary, House report 94-1476 --- the relevant legislative history) printed with the 
statute to explain it state:

 "Section 107 is intended to restate the present judicial doctrine of fair use, not to 
change, narrow, or enlarge it in any way."

	Thus the judicial interpretation of "fair use" which was *never* restricted 
to classroom use is very relevant as legislative history.

	It should be noted that the Report also states " . . . the endless variety of 
situations and combinations of circumstances that can rise in particular cases 
precludes the formulation of exact rules in the statute.  The bill endorses the 
purpose and general scope of the judicial doctrine of fair use, but there is no 
disposition to freeze the doctrine in the statute, especially during a period of rapid 
technological change.  Beyond a very broad statutory explanation of what is fair 
use is and some of the criteria applicable to it, the courts must be free to adapt the 
doctrine to particular situations on a case-by-case basis."

	The report later states: "Although the works and uses to which the 
doctrine of fair use is applicable are as broad as the copyright law itself, most of the 
discussion of section 107 has centered around questions of classroom 
reproduction, particularly photocopying"

	It defines the scope of the section as being: "the comittee has not only 
adopted further amendments to section 107 but has also amended section 504 (c) 
to provide innocent teachers and other non-profit users of copyrighted material with 
broad insulation against unwarranted liability for infringement."

	Perhaps it is me, but the normal English interpretation of the phrase 
"innocent teachers and other non-profit users" would indicate that the legislative 
history is *not* limited to classroom situations.

	I notice that you announce what the "legislative history" is but do not 
quote it so that others may see what you are talking about.  In this case, of course, 
the "legislative history" would include the judicial precedents which it specifically 
embodies.  A quick check of the annotations revealed no holding that fair use is 
limited, as you state, to classrooms.  Several of the cases applied in to 
non-classroom situations.

	I would ask for some citations of the cases that support your 
interpretation, but that is a fruitless exercise.  It is apparent that you do not know 
what you are talking about.

  
>  	It is just one more thing to report the the Penn SC.  

	Please do.  Please tell them that I am an evil person because I quoted 
the legislative history that directly contradicts you ipse dixit statement.  Your 
deposition on that point should be very humorous.

	I can't wait.

	--YFE



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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

  
>  	You claim that he described an operating gas chamber.  You therefore
>  claim that the US Army was permitting a gas chamber to continue
>  operating for him to observe.  
  
>  	Are you really that stupid? 

	Apparently you are.  Dr. Larson never claimed to have seen it operation 
nor have I.  It was there.  It was in working condition.  He saw it.

  
>  	But I do know how they were conducted.  And I also know that 
someone
>  like you who claims to be an attorney supports courts like this.

	Of course I do.

>      And if defense witnesses should get carried away and presume to
>  claim that they know nothing of gas chambers, and perhaps even
>  dare to dispute their existence, then the least that will happen
>  to them is that they are declared unreliable. Even the Judge
>  himself may become abusive.260 But how the Judges change their
>  tune in those exceptional cases where a former SS-man
>  'confesses':

	Please cite the portion of the record where a judge, acting as a judge 
(and not as a finder of fact), made this statement.

  
>  	"A valuable witness, one of the few who confirm at least some
>  of what everyone knows anyhow."261

	Please cite the portion of the record where a judge, acting as a judge 
(and not as a finder of fact), made this statement.
  
>  	Indeed, the author has hit the nail on the head! Since
>  everything is "judicially noticed" and considered self-evident
>  anyhow, it would be much easier to dispense with all the
>  laborious proceedings and simply hand down the verdict as soon
>  as the witnesses for the prosecution have had their say.

	Please cite the portion of the record where a judge, acting as a judge 
(and not as a finder of fact), made this statement.
  
>  	The courts frequently conclude from these circumstances that
>  witnesses for the defense cannot contribute anything of value to
>  an investigation anyhow, and thus disregard their testimony or
>  even dispense with summoning them in the first place.262

	Please cite the portion of the record where a judge, acting as a judge 
(and not as a finder of fact) made this statement.
>  	The point is that you support the idea that the court can take
>  judicial note of the guilt of the defendents pleading not guilty and
>  conduct the proceedings accordingly.  

	Please cite a portion of the record where a judge, acting as a judge 
(and not as a finder of fact) made the statement.

  
>  	But then, you are an attorney.  You believe this to be a fair trial.  

	No,  I do not believe your fantasies.  I just don't have the qualifications. 
 I don't drink to excess.

	--YFE


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>   ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:
  

	Does "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" count.  My copy 
has the imprint of the Noontide Press. 


>  It would be something for you to come up with ONE PIECE OF ANTI-
>  SEMITIC MATERIAL PUBLISHED BY IHR. You've danced around the
>  issues, you pointed hither and yon--but you've produced NOTHING!

	Does the "Protocols" count?  My copy bears the imprint of the 
Noontide Press, the publishing arm of the IHR.  I bought it at the Liberty Lobby 
office in New York.


>  
>  You've merely given us allegations from Nizkor and your personal
>  opinion that said Greg Raven is lying--but you can't even come up with
>  anti-Semitic material from Greg Raven, let alone IHR. Indeed, you
>  cannot produce one shred of hard evidence of any sort from any of the
>  people, institutions, organizations YOU libel as "anti-Semitic"!
>  All you can do is brand someone an "idiot" who might put credence in a
>  statement that racist or hate-engendering material is not welcome on a
>  website. If you ran the website, you'd have some grounds!

	Please note that several courts have concluded that the IHR was a an 
anti-Semitic organization as part of the Carto group of interlocking organizations.  
The most famous statement of this was by Robert Bork.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 6 Sep 1996 04:15:31 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Violations of the copyright law are not criminal violations.
  
>  	People who have followed your advice so far have admitted to
>  conspiracy should the violation be found.  


	Violation of WHAT, Matty poo.

	Please show me the statute that makes copyright violation a crime?

	Please show the criminal penalties prescribed by the law for copyright 
violation?  Is it a summary offense?  A misdemeanor?  A felony?

	Take your time.  Look in a book, Matty poo, not a bottle.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  	At the trials witnesses for the defense were threatened, insulted,
>  charged and imprisoned until they changed their testimony.  And the
>  judges and the prosecution did that to subborn the perjury that is the
>  only basis for the holocaust.  

	This is a lie.

>  	Every bit of the holocaust rests upon perjury.  Suspicions are one
>  thing.  To have it all so clearly laid out is something else entirely.

	You have yet to do so.  You tell lies.  You cannot point to a single 
point in transcript where cross-examination was denied.  You cannot point to a 
single point in the transcript where the defense was refused the right to present 
witnesses.  You cannot point to a single point where a judge threatened a 
witness.

	You are making it up again.

	But everybody knows that by now.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
 
  
>  >	Apparently you are.  Dr. Larson never claimed to have seen it 
operation 
>  >nor have I.  It was there.  It was in working condition.  He saw it.
  
>  	Excuse me, you claim to be an attorney but would accept this type of
>  testimony against your client?  

	I deal almost entirely with medical malpractice.  It happens in every 
trial, Matty poo.  That's what expert testimony is all about.

  
>  	This statement alone is enough for any prior client of yours to sue
>  you for malfeasance that you would accept such a thing against your
>  client.  

	It is the court that rules on the admissibility of evidence, Matty poo.

  
>  	It is amazing that anyone claiming to be an attroney in a capittal
>  case would accpet no evidence of a murder and no and no autopsy and
>  let their client be condemned despite the lack of same.  

	Where did I say this, Matty poo.  Dr. Larson did autopsies and made a 
report as an expert.



  
>  	But then you are an attorney and you know your clients can not 
demand
>  evidence of dead bodies nor autopies and you know your client must be
>  condemned based upon testimony of murder without evidence of murder.

	Perhaps you think that this measn something in English.  It does not.


  
>  	And we know that you would let surprise prosecution witnesses
>  introducing new testimony against your client stand wtihout objection.
  
	Again your statement is meaningless.

  	
>  	And we know all of this and more because you support every 
procedure
>  of all of the war crimes tribunals.  

	Which did not include the procedures you complain about.


  
>  	Despite the fact that means you have no concept of law in this
>  country, it is good to see you support kangaroo courts against your
>  own clients.  	

	You're frothing at the mouth again, Matty poo.  Ask Mommy for a nice 
chocolate chip cookie and a glass of milk.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: It is libel to call me a nazi.
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>  In article <50gnnr$93j@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:

>  >       An American jury would laugh at this argument.

>   In that case I would ask the jury the following the question: "Can Nazis 
>  be democratic? Since when have the nazis dropped the leadership principle
>  (Fuehrerprinzip)? And since when have the nazis embraced the social welfare
>  state as I do?" 

	Learn some history, nazi boy.  How did Hitler come to power?    What 
do you think that the Volkswagen began life as?

>  >       You, on the other hand, have advocated those views.

>         You are lying. I have never advocated the right of one race to rule 
>  other races. This would have meant that I am tolerating different races 
>  living within the same state which I certainly do not.

	This is such utter nonsense that it is unbeleivabler.  You have openly 
stated that you are a white supremacist.  You have openly supported white 
supremacist and neo-nazi organizations.  Your own program calls for depriving 
people of citizneship based on race and expelling them from their own country.  If 
you believe in "democracy" the moon is made of green cheese.

	--YFE


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Subject: Re: Ausrotten and the only good Indian is a dead Indian
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

  
>  	There can be only one to be a member of.  It is the one for the
>  particular convention.  One would expect an attorney to understand the
>  legal niceties of how it is organized.  

	Bzzzt!  Having organized them I know differently.  If you a member of the 
Worldcon you are a member of the World Science Fantasy Society as well.  
Should you really have been a member I suggest you check your program book.  
The constitution of the WSFS is printed in every edition.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  THIS IS YOUR IMT -- The Bench Rules on Cross Examination
  
>  
  
>  DR THOMA:  Witness, the Defendant Rosenberg assures me most definitely
>  that
>  has never been to the concentration camp at Dachau.  Is it possible
>  that
>  there has been a mistake?
  
>  BLAHA:  I believe I am not mistaken.  Besides, the German in question
>  knew
>  Rosenberg very well, I believe.
  
>  DR THOMA:  How do you know that?
  
>  BLAHA:  Because he told me so definitely.  Otherwise, I have no way of
>  knowing that.
  
>  THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Thoma
  
>  DR THOMA: Yes
  
>  THE PRESIDENT: You will forgive me if I point out to you that this is
>  intended to be an expeditious trial and that it is not right to take
>  up too
>  much time on small points like this.

>   IMT V, p. 194

>  	Certified as proper court procedure by YFE


	Perhaps you would like to explain the mistake of law you perceive 
here?

	I see absolutely nothing wrong with the judge's comment especially 
where the judge is the finder of fact.  Hell, I've told a lot of attorneys the same 
much more forcibly when I sit as an arbitrator.

	But then I'm not an asshole like you who thinks that testimony is not 
evidence.

	--YFE 


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   Keith Morrison  writes:

>  Now why would Matt have ever attended a WorldCon?  According to his
>  own words, all science fiction is garbage.

	I have no idea.  The fact remains that he bragged about being a 
member of several.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
>  In <50li0o$duk@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  
>  ! Extract from the interrogation of Higher SS and Police Leader Friedrich 
Jeckeln 
>  ! (December 14, 1945):
>  
>  But what everbody wants to know is how Poland's Jewish 
>  population increased from 650,000 in 1870 to 3,250,000 in 1921.  How?

	`You still haven't looked at a map, have you?


>  Immigration or the fastest birth rate in Europe by far?  Other European
>  ethnic groups had an annual growth rate of under one percent at the 
>  time, not nearly enough to explain the high growth of the Polish 
>  Jewish populace.  Immigration?  That would contradict claims of 
>  centuries old Polish Jewish tradition.  

	Hint: There is a famour room in the Palace of Versailles called "the 
Hall of Mirrors."



 
>  It's possible that the Jewish population statistics were inflated by
>  the Third Reich in 1942 to provide justification for military action 
>  to the public, thus encouraging more of it.  In any case it was the
>  slavs who were the victims of the war, not Jews.  Soviet Poland was
>  correct to emphasize slavic over Jewish suffering in the war.  Hooray
>  for communism!

	It's possible as well that you simply have missed the answer to your 
question.

	If you are still having problems tomorrow: I will give you another hint.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 5 Sep 1996 00:19:44 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  >>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  >>  	At the trials witnesses for the defense were threatened, insulted,
>  >>  charged and imprisoned until they changed their testimony.  And the
>  >>  judges and the prosecution did that to subborn the perjury that is the
>  >>  only basis for the holocaust.  
>  
>  >	This is a lie.
>  
>  	Sorry but I can not change the truth even if I wanted to change it. 

	Odd that the statements you citre are not found in the record.
  
>  
>  >	You have yet to do so.  You tell lies.  You cannot point to a single 
>  >point in transcript where cross-examination was denied.  You cannot point to 
a 
>  >single point in the transcript where the defense was refused the right to 
present 
>  >witnesses.  You cannot point to a single point where a judge threatened a 
>  >witness.
  
>  >	You are making it up again.
  
>  >	But everybody knows that by now.
  
>  	How much more do I need to post on the subject?  

	Something other than your unsupported statements.
  
>  	You support the court taking judicial note of guilt of defendents who
>  plead not guilty.  
  

	How cab\n I support soemthing that never happened?  I do not live in 
your fantasy world.


>  	what more can I say about you?  




	That I have nailed you in another lie.  No such ruling was ever made by 
an American judge at either the IMT main prosecutions at Nuremberg or at any of 
the trials that I know of.  Your unsupported word is worthless.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

  
>  	There was nothing more revealing that seeing Streiker called a
>  pornographer when all he wrote was rather amusingly inane nonsense but
>  that the holohuggers called it pornography.  

	No.  He wrote what was, in his day, considered pornography.  He also 
collected it and braggd about his collection.  By the way, Hitler referred to him as a 
"pornographist."
  
	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 20:09:39 -0300, Keith Morrison 
>  wrote:

>  >Now why would Matt have ever attended a WorldCon?  According to his
>  >own words, all science fiction is garbage.
  
>  	I have attended two and I know how they are organized.  There is no
>  such thing.  

	If you have attended two, you would know better.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  
>  Are you dense, or what?  I asked for copies of the written medical reports...I 
don't want to
>  hear your inane excuses, I want to view the reports which you say were 
written out at the time.
>  Is it that difficult?  I think people are getting wise to the tactics of holocacaust 
"affirmation".
>  now...

	And who has stopped you from doing so?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   alec@gryn.org@       (Alec Grynspan) writes:
>  In <50jqpi$nka@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt 
 Giwer) writes:


>  >	Going to sue me?  Please do.  
  
>  Why? You're effectively judgement-proof and you've already been proven a
>  liar.
  
	Netcom, however, is not judgment proof.

>  You wouldn't reach the second sentence, Matt. One "irrelevant" objection
>  and the judge would tell you to cut the crap.

>  >	Your's will be truly fascinating.  

>  Most definitely.
  
>  "Your honour. Here is Mr Giwer's statement, repeated over and over
>  again. It is false."
  
>  Then the judge asks you for evidence:
  
>  "HE SAID SO! HE DID! HE DID!"
  
>  Then the judge asks you, again, for evidence.
  
>  "HE SAID SO! HE DID! HE DID!"
  
>  Then I state "Nope!"
  
>  Then the judge asks you, AGAIN, for evidence.
  
>  "HE SAID SO! HE DID! HE DID!"
  
>  Then the judge asks your lawyer "You took this bozo as a client?!?"

	This is incorrect.  Most state judges would start talking about 
contempt.  Federal judges would start talking about attorney's fees.
  
	--YFE


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Subject: Re: Giwer Thinks that U.S. Courts are part of the Inquisition
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  >	The complete report was not posted here.  I posted only the 
>  >conclusions.  The acutal report runs about 100 pages.
  
>  	So post the rest since you have it.

	Sorry Matty poo.  I don't spam.  If you want to see it look it up.

>  	Particularly since Elie Weisel and Simon Wiesenthal both support my
>  position, that you are wrong.  

	Please post the particulars that those two people agree with you.

>  	But even holohuggers agree in their wildest imaginations that the
>  gassing stopped months before the camp was liberated and that the
>  bodies were cremated after being gassed.  (Even though it is only the
>  wildest-eyed holohuggers who still believe there was any gassing.)  

	Please give me some references.  You lie to frequently to trust your 
"memory."

  
>  	So there were no cadavers unless you are claiming he autopseyed
>  crematoria ashes but never wrote up a report of his methods.  That is
>  quite the pity as it is beyond today's forensic abilities to do that.
>  A great scientist, clear years before his time.  

	Read his report.


>  	That is because they were not conducted else there would be reports.  

	There are no reports of the IMT trials?
  
>  	And while we are at dishonest, you deleted the following description
>  of the kind of court you find up to the highest standards of
>  jurisprudence.  As a highly educated attorney it is only a commentary
>  upon the decline of the justice system in the US that you find the
>  following to ber proper court procedure.  

	I deleted it becasue it was nonsense fabricated by a denier.  There was 
not a single reference to a portion of the record.  I do not find it to be part of a court 
procedure that ever happened.  I cannot, therefore, have approved of it.

	--YFE


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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
  
  
>  Could you please provide the full bibliographic information for this book
>  please?
  
>  Speer only wrote 4 books. "Spandauer" (translated into English as "Spandau:
>  The Secret Diaries");  Inside the Third Reich (I have forgotten it's German
>  title); and two books that were not translated into English, "Kontroversen
>  um ein deutsches Pheanomen" and "Architektur: Arbeiten 1933 - 1942."
  
>  It would seem you are confusing Speer with some other author.

	The book I have been referring to is "Infiltration" ISBN  0-02-612800-4
(MacMillan; 1981).  It is a translation of "Der Slavenstaat."  

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  			
>  	The Holcoaust story has eyewitnesses galore. In fact, perhaps 99%
>  of the Holocaust evidence is eyewitness testimony. At Nuremberg, other
>  trials, in Extraordinary Commission reports made out at the time of
>  liberation of particular camps, testimonies of prisoners, civilians,
>  SS, and camp administrators - interogations and confessions - gas
>  chambers, huge cremation pits and mass graves, yet, not one of them
>  was ever ask by any of the investigationg bodies to, 'Show us the
>  scene of the crime'.

	Tell your handler that he has made another factual error.  Several 
requests were made by the prosecution, especially at the later trials, to have sitre 
visits made to the KZ.  Objection to such visits were were made by the lawyers for 
the *nazis.*  The objections were sustained.

	The reason that no-one ever went to "the scene of the crime" is that 
the perpetrators did not want anybody to go there.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:


>  >	Tell your handler that he has made another factual error.  Several 
>  >requests were made by the prosecution, especially at the later trials, to have 
sitre 
>  >visits made to the KZ.  Objection to such visits were were made by the 
lawyers for 
>  >the *nazis.*  The objections were sustained.

>  >	The reason that no-one ever went to "the scene of the crime" is that 
>  >the perpetrators did not want anybody to go there.

>  	Don't just say it, show it. Explicitly.

	I just did.  I stated, explicitily, that all attempts to visit the site of a KZ 
was met with objections from counsel for the defendants.  Those objections 
were sustained.

	If there is any part of this statement beyond your limited 
comprehension, indicate what it is.

	--YFE	


From yawen@enter.net Sun Sep  8 20:05:27 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   Ourobouros writes:

>  3. Simon Wiesanthal has stated that no concentration camps were on
>  German soil.  Therefore, unless Germany was buying land in Poland and so
>  forth before W.W.II they couldn't have made concentration camps before no
>  1939.  Is that a reasonable conclusion?

	SW has said that no *extermination* camps were within the borders of 
the Old Reich.  Neither he, nor the SWC, has ever stated that there were no 
*concentration* camps within Germany.  In fact, they were established fairly 
early in the nazi regime.

>  5. If all the points are so far correct, then I can make this conclusion:
>  Within 6 years, nearly 12 million people were killed in concentration 
>  camps.   

	They aren't.


>  
>  Now, if all the above is correct, I would like to see how it is feasible
>  for Germany, at war against the allies, to mobilise nearly 12 million
>  people into concentration camps.  

	Instead of erecting as strawman as what you consider "possible" 
consider instead what was done.  Do you know, for example, how many Soviet 
soldiers were taken prisoner in the first two months of Barbarossa and how 
quickly they were put into POW camps?

	--YFE 


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

  
>  	And then there is the problem of opening a door to interior that
>  is red hot to cold air. Most human beings become aware of what happens
>  when they suddenly expose a very hot object to a cold medium or vice
>  versa. Crack. Even if the interior is fire clay, manufactured to
>  withstand extreme heats, it is not capable of handling repeated
>  radical changes. 

	As has been pointed out, the crematoria broke down from time to time. 
 Even if your basic premise was correct -- it is not -- or your statement abut the 
lining of the interior was correct -- it is not -- your conclusion would be wrong.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Sep  9 08:20:09 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 7 Sep 1996 02:28:18 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Bzzzt!  Having organized them I know differently.  If you a member of 
the 
>  >Worldcon you are a member of the World Science Fantasy Society as well.  
>  >Should you really have been a member I suggest you check your program 
book.  
>  >The constitution of the WSFS is printed in every edition.
>  
>  	As you should know, there is no, THE Worldcon.  Each Worldcon is 
a
>  separate organization to which each person pays directly for
>  membership.  

	Which also makes them a member in the WSFS.  If you are a mamber 
of any of the current Worldcons, you are also a member of the WSFS.  It's a 
rather simple proposition.  Anybody with half a brain could have figured that out. 
 Moreover it is still a diversion, every Worldcon that I know of has recognized 
the Wiccans and given them space on the program.


  
>  	Now go back and read the thread so you find some way to distort 
what
>  was said so you can pretend you were right all along.  

	Since I was, there is no need to distort.  The Worldcon (a name legallt 
protected by the WSFS) is put on by the WSFS.  Simple logic would have told 
you there must be a basic organization or else anybody can put on a 
"Worldcon" (they cannot) and pass out "Hugos" (also legally protected by the 
WSFS).

	And the Wiccan religion has been given program space at every 
Worldcon I know of since 1980.  I certainly did when I programmed the 1982 
Worldcon.  It has also given program space to a "Christian SF" group since the 
founding of that group by Ross Pavlac.

	Now why were you a member of said organization?

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  
>  	From Nizkor:
>
>  
>  The moon         No listing        No listing
>  Mars             No listing		No listing

>  -Danny Keren.

	Please note that Moran the Forger is at it again.


	--YFE


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>   Alexander Baron  writes:

>  I wouldn't mock the dead, even to a slimeball like Yale; I don't dispute that he
>  lost some, maybe a lot, of relatives in the war, but I do take offence that he
>  appears to hold me responsible for it in some measure and smears me as 
sympathetic
>  to mass murder simply because I have the temerity to refuse to accept at face
>  value all the shit Jewish and other groups tell us we're supposed to believe
>  of the wicked Nazis.

	Samples of Lyin' Al's appreciation of the nazis:

	1.  Hilter was not a racist

	2.  Kristallnacht was a spontaneous event rather than one instigated 
by the nazi party.

	3.  No one died during Kristallnacht.

	4.  The continuation  of WW II was the result of the  rejection by 
Churchill of Hitler's "magnanimous" offer of peace terms.

	--YFE	


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

  
>  	In the U.S. there are hundreds of thousands on the government
>  dole.

	Don't just stand there polishing the floo0r with your knuckles, l'il tommy.  
Give us somne specifics.  It should be hard for you to name a few hundred.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

  
>  	The only thing you could count on Bell to have anyone believe
>  whatever you write is for their not going over the previous
>  statements. Out here Bell, it is all written down as it goes, and sits
>  there for reference by any one who wants to see if someone is trying
>  to pull off a dupe.

	When you make it to Kelly's classroom please bring this along as an 
example of your forensic and rhetorical skills.

	--YFE


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>   Alexander Baron  writes:
>  
>  THE FINAL SOLUTION The Attempt to Exterminate the Jews of Europe 
>  1939 1945, by Gerald Reitlinger, published by Vallentine, Mit-
>  chell, London, (1953). 622 pages. Index.
>  
>  page 161: After May 19th 1943, Berlin was 
>  officially "Jew-free" but 18,000 or so remained, some of them 
>  roaming the streets. All the rest had been deported to Auschwitz 
>  and Theresienstadt
>  page 164: one of the criteria for being deported to Auschwitz was 
>  smoking a cigarette in the street.

	Odd, isn't it that when the original statement is read it directly contradicts 
your statement that Jews weren't deported to concentration camps?

	--YFE


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>   qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
>  In <50upvu$mjb@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  ! 
>  ! 	Please note that Moran the Forger is at it again.
>  
>  Liar.  It was posted by Tom Moran and showed the proper header.

	The liar is l'il tommy.  The words credited to Dr. Keren were not written by Dr. Keren.

	That is forgery.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:
>  tom moran (tm@pacificnet.net) wrote:

>  : 	This Jamie McCarthy thinks all he has to do is create a doosier
>  : on someone, announce it, and this will scare them away from telling
>  : the truth.
  
>  Yeah, Jamie--cut it with the doosiers, huh?

	Wasn't that a movie starring Jean Heckman?

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  Annie Alpert  wrote:

>  
>  	Zionism was a movement way before the present Israel Annie. Keep
>  talking, your good for revisionism. 

	I'm not sure.  What's an Israel Annie?  Is it a comic strip in Yiddish 
about a girl with no eyes and her little dog?

  

>  >The rest is silence . . .

	Not when l'il tommy is around.  Then the rest is uncontrollable giggling.

>  >Nizkor (USA) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
>  >Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?  
>  >European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
>  >Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/




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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:
>  Joel Rosenberg (joelr@winternet.com) wrote:

  
>  Tom Moran has, I believe, appeared in these parts before.  He's quite
>  famous over on alt.revisionism where, along with his insistence that
>  the Holocaust never happened and his paranoid certainty that THE JOOS
>  are out to get him, he's known for his tortured syntax--for example:



  
>  >Subject:      Re: Does the "A-Team" get paid?
>  >From:         tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran)
>  >Date:         1996/09/06
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>  >References:   <3229a8cf.314665@news.pacificnet.net> 
>  >Organization: Posted via CAIS Internet 
>  >Newsgroups:   alt.revisionism





>  >Sara, how is you raise your son as a topic out here in a format
>  >like this?
  
>  Tom has also made a name for himself by reposting entire articles and
>  either adding nothing or extracting a couple of words from the original,
>  apparently at random, and putting them in quotation marks.  He's a liar
>  and an antisemite.  He's impervious to reason, completely clueless,
>  and without a sense of irony.
  
>  But, of course, none of that makes him a suitable candidate for
>  Kook of the Month.  This, I believe, does:  here is Tom, in the
>  midst of arguing that the Nazis really weren't so mean to the Jews
>  at all, pausing to score a point against the historical reality of
>  the Holocaust by informing us that a gun he isn't fond of is 
>  manufactured in Israel:





	But htis about the level we have come to expect from li'l tommy.  
Compare, for example,  his post that "proved" that there wre no Jews in Poland 
for the nazis to murder.  I beleive his reasoning was soemthing silly like the price 
of lox in Poland was too high or that Jews only like to live in Miami Beach.  
Compare as well his indentification of the KKKK anf a gaggle of Catholic priests 
as "a Jewish group" and "the Jews" respectively.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  Mr.Edeiken mumbling about something:
  
>  	"Don't just stand there polishing the floo0r with your knuckles,
>  l'il tommy. Give us somne specifics.  It should be hard for you to
>  name a few hundred."

	Actually you stupid lying twit, it was in response to your anti-Semitic lie 
that "hundreds of thousands" of Russian Jews are on the dole in the United 
States.

	You have, of course, not produced a even a single source to back up 
this outrageous lie.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud's for you, part 2
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
  
>  >  	And who has stopped you from doing so?

>  Not who-but what-in this case the apparent non-existence of the alleged 
documents.
>  Perhaps Miss Alpert was right-there were no autopsies-not for the reason she 
gave, however.

	The report of a forensic pathologist on the autopsies and visual 
surveys he performed (roughly in a 1:3 ratio) constitute a a valid post mortem 
medical report.  Larson's report is well-known.  It was used both in evidence and 
was later presented to Congressional hearings where it became part of the 
record.

	Now who is topping you from reading them?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Sep 12 07:33:47 PDT 1996
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>   Alexander Baron  writes:
>  In article <50g8an$2ds@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" 
writes:

>  >         Please don't give me the usual Lyin' Al bullshit to "check out" some 
>  > nutcase or other.  Give me direct references to Reitlinger or the Jewish
>  >  Chronicle 
  
>  Did you say please?
  
>  The citation I gave for Reitlinger is a reference to Jews still in Berlin in 
>  1944.

	Reilinger has written several books, many articles, and made many public 
statements.  Where can the statement you cited be found and how did Reitlinger 
use it to show that Jews were not imprisoned for being Jews.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: What other sorts of Revisionism are there?
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>   libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

>  : 
>  : Why sure there is.  They are also into How Jews Control the UN,
>  : How Jews Are Behind Equal Rights, How Jews Control the Media
>  : and the ever popular How Jews Control the Banks.
  
>  Don't forget How Jews are Drying Up the Noble Aryan Sperm.

	And, in the case of Tom Moran,  how Dah Jooos are scamming us with 
big guns that nobody can hold in useless calibers like .357 magnum.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Ken McVay, common lying holohugger
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  	He has claimed that I mailbombed him.

	You did.
  
>  	But he is a liar in making that claim.

	The mailbomb is public.
  
>  	And he is too cowardly to respond for himself.

	There is no reason for him to respond.  The mailbomb is publically 
posted.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
> 
>  >>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  
>  >>  >	Tell your handler that he has made another factual error.  Several 
>  >>  >requests were made by the prosecution, especially at the later trials, to 
have 
>  >sitre 
>  >>  >visits made to the KZ.  Objection to such visits were were made by the 
>  >lawyers for 
>  >>  >the *nazis.*  The objections were sustained.

>  	The only source for this claim is YFE personally who learned it be
>  divine inspiration.  

	No.  I learned it from reading.  It happened at least twice.   Michael 
Musmanno of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court was fond of citing it as an example 
of when a site visit should be allowed or not.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 8 Sep 1996 15:42:30 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  
>  >	Tell your handler that he has made another factual error.  Several 
>  >requests were made by the prosecution, especially at the later trials, to have 
sitre 
>  >visits made to the KZ.  Objection to such visits were were made by the 
lawyers for 
>  >the *nazis.*  The objections were sustained.
  
>  	Do you happed to have a source for this?  Of course not.  

	Yes.  The record of the trials.  Several books about the trials.  Michael 
Musmanno, Justice of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   Jeffrey  writes:
>  Petrat's post-conviction plea was in the case file, a forlorn voice from
>  the grave which I read with pangs of sorrow. His statement had been
>  prepared in German had been submitted to the Military Governor of the US
>  Zone of Occupation in English translation. Since no more than a handful
>  of Americans have seen this or any other  German "war criminal's" side
>  of the story, I reproduce it in its entirety, as follows:

>  Perat's statement is cited on Pages 258 to 263 in Innocent at Dachau by
>  Joseph Halow.]

	It should be noted that Perat was convicted for specific murders during 
a death march.  He was assigned to the back of the column and was observed 
deliberately murdering those who fell behind.  Halow cites no evidence to 
contradict the witnesses.  His "proof" of Perat's innocence is that he thought that 
Perat had an affair with the main witness.  Although he had ample opportunity to 
do so, Halow cites not a sinlge fact that would support Perat's statements either 
about his supposed mistreatment or the nature of his trial.

	Perat was hanged for his crimes after a review of the trial by both 
Lucius Clay -- later criticized for his leniency -- and a miliatry review panel who 
investigated the petition that Stumpy quotes and found that it was not supported 
by the evidence.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:


>  >  	Now who is stopping you from reading them? [typo corrected]

>  Indeed, I have read some of the material.  However, in this issue I desire to
>  read the actual written reports themselves, as well as the results of the 
chemical
>  testings which were supposedly done.  You are intelligent enough to 
understand 
>  why these reports, if they exist, are preferable over testimony.

	What you are, apparently, asking for is not the "reports" -- you have 
read them, his findings were contained in a single written report -- but Larson's 
raw notes.  I have no idea whether they were saved.  Many forensic pathologists 
destroy them after a final report -- the document you have -- is prepared.  I do not 
consider raw notes all that valuable especially when the conditions under which 
Larson worked are considered.  The chemical tests, fow example, were not 
reported to him until weeks after the p.m.s were performed.  What I consider 
valuable is Larson's medical opinion.  I know of no court that would not allow him 
to testify as to that.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  	Nitskor is a German derivative word.

	"Nitskor" may be.  "Nizkor" is Hebrew.

	--YFE



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 12 Sep 1996 17:56:51 GMT, libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c
>  anderson) wrote:

>  >Welcome back, by the way.  Did you have to promise to stop mailbombing?
  
>  	No.  I simply explained that I did not at any time mailbomb and that
>  you folks were lying about what happened.  The truth works. 

	As a matter of fact, Giwer is lying.  The mailbomb is public.  He sent it.  
Necom.com agreed that it was a mailbomb.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
  
>  	We have been over the hearsay that was reported.  Not one mention 
was
>  made of any autopsey. 

	Yes.  And it was pointed out that an expert like LArson could make use 
of hearsay in his reports.  Larson specifically states that his conclusions were 
based on numerous p.m.'s and more visual examinations of cadavers.

	Look it up.


>  	Only when what I expect is what happens.  You know there are no
>  autopsey reports showing HCN poisoning.  Therefore you folks will only
>  claim there are such reports in hopes of finding  a way to divert the
>  discussion.

	Since I have posted Larson's final report stating that at p.m. examination 
he determined the cause of death to be gassing, I haven't the foggiest idea what 
lie you are currently peddling.

>  	Case closed.  Lets move on.  

	The case that is closed is yours.  You are lying again.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 12 Sep 1996 21:06:35 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  >>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  >>  	Nitskor is a German derivative word.
>  
>  >	"Nitskor" may be.  "Nizkor" is Hebrew.
>  
>  	Right.  All Yid is Hebrew.  
>  
>  	I once knew a Jew who insisted that Fenster was Hebrew.  
>  
>  	He also insisted there was no connection between German and Yiddish.
>  
>  	It is amazing how far you folks will go to lie.
>  
>  	In fact the person I am referring to spent a year in Saudi (lying
>  about his religion) to work for them.  After all, it was money.  That
>  is also what I have come to expect.  
	Which, of course, does not change the basic fact.  The word "nizkor"  
is Hebrew.

	--YFE


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>   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
>  In article <32372293.19991226@news.spry.com> klewis@awinc.com "Ken 
Lewis" writes:

>  > >And pressure by, among others, American Jews.
 
>  > Citations please.
 
>  Are you serious? Check out some of the poison that was spewed out by them
>  at the time. Or the activities of the Fight For "Freedom" Fund. You people
>  always want it both ways.

	Yes.  When you tell your outrageous lies we want to know whether 
you are repeating the lies of others or just making them up.  Two examples are 
your statements, both outright lies:

	1.  That Christine Jeffries was fired from her teaching position because 
of pressure from the ADL.

	2.  That the ADL announced that 20% of all Americans are 
anti-Semites.

	The poison here is from you, Lyin' Al.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
  
>   Terror? Is it terror to motivate illegal aliens to leave? Does the USA
>  exercise "terror" by forcing thousands of illegal aliens every month to 
>  leave the country?

	The difference -- which you refuse to recognize -- is that the people who 
you are talking about are not "illegal immigrants."  They are Danish citizens either 
by birth or because they obtained that citizenship by legal means.  To arbitrarily 
revoke such citizenship on the basis of ethnic origins is a violation of their human 
and legal rights.  There is, to my knowledge, only one country that ever so 
maltreated their citizens.  That country was nazi Germany.

	You are, and remain, a nazi.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 12 Sep 1996 21:05:22 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  
>  >	The problems I talked to him about were:
  
>  >	1.  Your mailbombing of Nizkor.  Which netcom.abuse found to have 
>  >happened.
  
>  	Then you lied to Netcom.  Yes, you are a liar.  

	No.  I just pointed him to the URL.  They beleived that.

  
>  >	2.  Your extortion attempt against Nizkor: Which  netcom.abuse found 
>  >to have happened.
  
>  	Again, you lied to Netcom.  

	No.  I just pointed him to the URL.  They beleived that.

  
>  >	3.  Your various threats of violence.  Which netcom.abuse found to be 
>  >to vague for them to act upon.
  
>  	Again, you lied to Netcom.  

	No.  I just sent them your posts.  They reacted as I stated. 

>  >	4.  The various abusive e-mails you have sent to various people 
>  >including me.  You have been warned by netcom.abuse to stop this practice.
  
>  	Again, you lied to Netcom.  

	No.  I just sent them copies of the e-mails that you sent to me.  

>  >	We also discussed the accusations *you* made that Gyrnspyn was 
>  >working for Nizkor.  Netcom.abuse decided that you were in error.  


  
>  	Again, you lied to Netcom


	Actually it was netcom that made this statement to me.   

>  >	The only person that I know of who was harrasssing others was named 
>  >"Matt Giwer."  Netcom.abuse agreed.
  
>  	Based upon the presumption that your lies were true there is nothing
>  anyone could do but agree.

	Based upon the posts you have made.  

>  	But you did not tell one truth in your phone call.  

	Are you denying that the words were yours?

  
>  	BTW:  Was it you or Nizkor (with whom you coordinated the phone calls
>  to make them sound more important) who made the claim that there was a
>  private investigation of my imagined "threats"?  Why did you not claim
>  there was an FBI investigation and that you had talked to an FBI agent
>  as you have done in public here?  

	I not only informed them of the FBI investigation but provided them with 
the name of the agent and her telephone number.

  
>  	You folks should learn your limits.  Rather you should have learned
>  them.  It is too late now.  

	I haven't even started yet.  There is already a compliant forwarded to 
them about one of your recent posts.  I am waiting for their reaction.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Sep 13 22:44:51 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Human skin LAMPSHADE STORY A CRUEL AND VULGAR HOAX
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:01:48 -0800, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
>  Alstine) wrote:

>  
>  >In light of Jeffrey's claims one might wish to consider the following, a
>  >US Army pathologist's report:
>  
>  >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  
>  >  Seventh Medical Laboratory
>  >  APO 403, c/o PK, New York, N.Y.
>  >  Section of Pathology 
  
>  >  25 May 1945

>  >  SUBJECT:  Identification of Tattoed Skin Hides 
  
>  >  TO     :  COMMANDING GENERAL, Third U. S. Army 
>  >            (ATTN:   JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL) 

>  >  1.  There were submitted to this laboratory section for 
>  >  examination three tanned pieces of skin by Lt. Col. GIVIN 
>  >  from Buchenwald Camp with office record designation of 
>  >  Case 81 T.J.A. 
  
>  >  2.  The description follows: 

>  >  PIECE C:  Is truncated, measures 44 cm. at the base. The 
>  >  upper portion is 30 cm. long and the sides measure 46 cm. 
>  >  The skin is transparent, and shows two nipples in the upper 
>  >  area. These are 16 cm. apart. From the nipple level to the 
>  >  umbilicus is 23 1/2 cm.  ....
  
>  	With the largest part of 44 cm there is no way any human body could
>  show two nipples.  What an asshole.  

	I'll bet the ranch that your nipples are less than 44 cm apart.  I'll bet that 
even "Grey's Anatomy" would tell you that.


  
>  >  MICROSCOPIC: The tissue consists of bundles of collagen 
>  >  showing occasional epithelial and sweat gland remnants. 
>  >  Granular black pigment granules are seen between some 
>  >  of the bundles. 
  
>  >  3.  Based on the findings in paragraph 2, all three specimens 
>  >  are tattooed human skin. 
  
>  >  For the Commanding Officer, 
  
>  >  (signature)
>  >  REUBEN CARES 
>  >  Major M.C. 
>  >  Chief of Pathology 

>  	But of course they were later identified as lambskin.  




	By who, Matty poo?  Please post the pathologist's report that disputes 
this finding.





	Or did you just make it up.  As usual.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Sep 14 01:28:45 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Human skin LAMPSHADE STORY A CRUEL AND VULGAR HOAX
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) writes:

>  >  Clay was quite simply wrong about this.  He was misinformed by his
>  >  lawyer advisors at the time, as a Senate Investigatory Committee
>  >  reported.  Yet deniers continue to quote him.  Typical revisionism.

>  Why was he wrong about this?  Please read my recent post addressing this
>  very issue.

	Actaully your mistake is in quoting a book about Clay rather than Clay 
himself.  In his book Clay claims that he was misinformed and that material was 
presented at the Senate hearings that was not presented to him at the time he 
reviewed Koch's record. "Decision in Germany" , page 254.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 12 Sep 1996 20:33:08 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
  
>  >>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  >>  	He has claimed that I mailbombed him.
  
>  >	You did.
  
>  	You lie about a matter of which you have no direct knowledge.  

	I saw it, shithead.  Anybody can.  McVay made it part of the Nizkor website.


    
>  >>  	But he is a liar in making that claim.
  
>  >	The mailbomb is public.
  
>  	The lie is public.  You have no direct knowledge of events.  You are
>  lying.  

	How can I lie about something that is displayed in public.


	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

  
>  	I know you liars are going to try again so why not get about it?  

	Done that already.  Already got a worried call from their law firm.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Sep 14 01:28:48 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Ivan Dem'yanyuk at Sobibor
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  	Clearly I received two harrassing phone calls about a private matter
>  between me an my ISP.  So there is no question in the mind of netcom
>  that there is a conspiracy going on unless of course YFE or the
>  webmale at Nizkor is the source of the the harrassing phone calls.  

	You are lying.

  
>  	Or maybe you are the criminal.  

	You are the criminal.
  
>  	It does not matter to me.  All of you holohuggers are in criminal
>  conspiracy as your own words admit.  

	Nobody has admitted anything.
  
>  	But more to the point, a 36 hour absense could not be considered
>  having been gone unless "the word was spread" by you folk.  


	Netcom suspended you account.

  
>  	You folks are so stupid that you can not even cover your own ass in
>  your lying claims about what happened.   

	Netcom suspended your account based on you abuses.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud's for you, part 2
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 13 Sep 1996 13:10:08 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Yes.  And it was pointed out that an expert like LArson could make use 
>  >of hearsay in his reports.  Larson specifically states that his conclusions were 
>  >based on numerous p.m.'s and more visual examinations of cadavers.
  
>  >	Look it up.
  
>  	Hearsay is not admissible in any court but a holohugger court filled
>  with the usual gang of lying holohuggers.  And we have been over the
>  few exceptions so there is no reason to pretend to bring them up
>  again.  

	Rule 703, Federal Rules of Evidence:  "The facts or data in the particular 
case upon which an expert bases his opinion or inference may be those perceived 
by or made known to the expert at or before the hearing.  If of a type reasonably 
relied upon by experts in the particular field in forming opinions or inferences upon 
the subject, the facts or data need not be admissible in evidence."

	Rule 802, Federal Rules of Evidence: "Hearsay is not admissible except 
as provided by these rules or by other rules prescribed by the Supreme Court 
pursuant to statutory authority or by Act of Congress."

	Rule 803, Federal Rules of Evidence: "The following are not excluded by 
the hearsay rule even though the declarant is avaialble as a witness. . . . 
.
[exceptions 1 through 23  deleted for brevity]
	
	(24) A statement not specifically covered by any of the foregoing 
exceptions but having equivalent circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness, if the 
court determines that (A) the statement is offered as evidence of a material fact; (B) 
the statement is more probative on the point for which it is offered than any other 
evidence which the proponent can procure through reasonable efforts; and (C) the 
genral purposes of these rules and the interests of justice will best be served by the 
admission of the statement into evidence."  see also Rule 804 (5) which repeats the 
same language for situations where the declarant is unavailable.


	Is there any other topic you feel like making a fool of yourself on.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes

>  	As McVay and and YFE have demonstrated, holohuggers are liars and 
will
>  harrass ISPs simply to get a person silenced.  


  
>  	It is clear that you folks do not want real discussion.  Bnd it is
>  clear that you will pretend you do while you do the contrary.

	Libel is not free speech.  You libel people.

	Invasion of privacy is not free speech.  You have invaded the privacy of 
others.

	Interfering with the service of others is not free speech.  You mailbombed 
Nizkor.

	Extortion is not free speech.  You have attempted extortion against 
Nizkor.

	Death threats are not free speech.  You have made them.

	For you portray yourself as a proponent of free speech is about as sad as 
a crack dealer operating outside an elementary school claiming that he isjust a 
proponent of allowing people to obtain medication cheaply.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  Thre purpose of the original thread was to discuss wether Hoess was tortured
>  and beaten into signing a false confession which ends with the words that he
>  signs under no compulsion. 


	Then please present some evidence.


 After his beatings and torments at the hands of the
>  British, he was then shipped on to the Poles and Soviets, where undoubtedly he
>  was treated with great tenderness and during which time he wrote his 
"autobiography"
>  again "without compulsion". 

	Do you have any evidence that he was beaten while in Polish hands?


	You have nothing except you suspicion.  That counts for nothing.

	--YFE



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  By the way, we are still waiting for the original autopsy reports conducted by
>  the doctor you refer to in your post.  We won't hold our breath....

	The conclusions of the report have been posted.  You are just too lazy to 
look up the report for yourself.

	--YFE


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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
  
>  I have never said that Goldhagen is perfectly acceptable. Goldhagen has not
>  gotten a good reception in this forum nor from his peers.

	Strangely enough Goldhagen has received his most enthusiasic reception in 
Germany.  His book is on the bestseller list and he speaks to packed houses.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 14 Sep 1996 04:27:54 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	The conclusions of the report have been posted.  You are just too lazy to 
>  >look up the report for yourself.
  
>  	Interesting that I did look it up and it makes no mention of autopsies
>  showing cyanide poisoning.  What in the world are you talking about?  

	Larson's report.  Were you drunk when you read it?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 14 Sep 1996 11:16 MST, dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny
>  Mittleman) wrote:

>  >>One common characteristic of deniers seems to be their reluctance to do
>  >>research.  Wonder why?
  
>  >    The Jews won't let them?
  
>  	Research is not reading researchers save to liberal arts pukes.  


	Maybe Matty poo will finally agree to discuss the research methods 
which led to the revelation that the Nuremberg Tribunal convicted various 
defendants of committing the Katyn Massacre and sentenced them to death.

	Others can add  their favorite Giwer Fabrication.

	--YFE 


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer: Drunk Again?
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  	I am repeating what I was told by NETCOM and what happened on 
the
>  phone.  NETCOM told me only two people had been told what was going
>  on.  He named the Nizkor order taker and you.  
  
>  	I can not change that.  

	Yes, Matty poo, and someone once told you that potatoes were part of 
the ritual meal at Passover.  What he told you, you drunken dimwit, is that *he* 
talked only to the two of us.  That is far different from the statements you are 
making.

	What you can change is your total lack of integrity.  I realize that it will 
be hard to overcome of lifetime of lying.

	Sober up.

	--YFE


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Article: 65991 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Moran's Index
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  	This is a list of Moran's postings on alt.revisionism. These are
>  the posts that Nizkor fears to include in it's dossier on Moran in a
>  straight foward way.
  
>  	These are the "neo-Nazi" - "anti-Semitic" postings that have
>  terrorized the Holocaust dependents. 

	It should be noted that Moran has eliminated some of his more 
outrageous posts from this list.  Specifically he has eliminated all of his posts, 
including "Time for a Showdown" in which he attributed a lawsuit filed by the KKKK 
to a "Jewish group."  He has also fails to mention his psots about the Dead Sea 
Scrolls in which he blamed acts committed by a group dominated by Catholic 
priests -- and which specifically excluded Jews from membership -- as "the Jews."  
Also missing are his silliness where he demonstrates his basic inabililty to use 
numbers when he tried to compute the number of trees in Israel.

	The truth is that Moran is a liar and an anti-Semite.

	He hasn't the guts even to deny those basic facts; instead he blames the 
victims of his foul an venomous  bigotry for objecting to it.

	--YFE


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Article: 66046 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: holohugging traitors
Date: 16 Sep 1996 01:28:19 GMT
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

  
>  	Ridiculous, Rosenberg is not an American, he is Jewish, therefore
>  he could not be a "traitor". He is only doing what comes natural,
>  supporting anything Jewish.

	Another anti-Semitic remark from that noted anti-Semite and liar: T. 
Moran.

>  	How about making them submit to a debate on national television,
>  on the campus and in the major medias? This is their ultimate fear.
>  Having to defend their idiotic propostions directly under cross
>  examination.

	How about a presentation before an impartial tribunal of Maron's 
blatent anti-Semitism and outright lies.  Moran runs from such exposure like the 
plague.

	He has been offered the opportunity and has not even bothered to 
answer.

	Some people would call him a coawrd.  Among those, apparently, is T. 
Moran.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Moran's Index
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>   Chuck Ferree  writes:
  
>  Who tha hell cares?  What a waste of time. People read all this 
>  gargage? Why doesn't the man just write a decent novel?
>  Chuck

	Becasue it takes a modicum of skill in the use of the English to put 
together a novel; a bit more to put together a "decent" one.  Moran lacks this 
basic skill.

	--YFE

	


From yawen@enter.net Mon Sep 16 18:39:14 PDT 1996
Article: 66135 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Moran Admits his Cowardice
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  		
>  	They who refuse to debate, oppose debate or stifle debate,
>  declare they don't have the will, the substance or the guts to meet
>  the challenge. It is a sign of cowardice.

	Moran, by his own definition, is a coward.  He has been ivited several 
times to present his position before an impartial tribunal.  Specifically, I assert that 
he is a liar and an anti-Semite.  I have offered to present my case before an 
impartial board of arbitration with the proviso that the loser pay the arbitration 
fees.

	Moran has not only refused.  He reuses even to anwer.

>  	It is tacit declaration they know they would lose, that they
>  don't have faith in their position, that they know deep down inside or
>  are consciously aware their own position sucks. 

	Moran now admits that he knows he would lose.  Deep down inside 
he knows he is a liar and an anti-Semite.

>  	This applies to any of those persons and groups that oppose free
>  open discussion on the Holocaust. 

	It applies as well to Moran.  Those having any doubts are invited to 
await Moran's response.

	Will he lie about it again as he had in the past?

	--YFE


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>   qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
>  In <323c0e1a.1014849@192.168.2.1> stevea@castlsys.demon.co.uk (Steve 
A) writes:
>  
>  ! In any event, I have found on my visits to the US that, while
>  ! there may not be any legislative imperative for citizens to carry
>  ! ID, it is impossible to get a drink in a bar without having to
>  ! prove ID (and they didn't like my photo-less UK driving licence)
>  ! even when you're obviously over ten years older than the minimum
>  ! age to drink.

>  This is the practice by American business, no friends of liberty.
>  This practice can be stopped.

	Actaully in my state -- Pennsylvania -- it's a law.  The law also 
establishes what can be used as i.d.  It includes a i.d. issued by the Liqour 
Control Board.  Taverns can -- and have -- been prosecuted for accepting the 
wrong i.d.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Moran's Declaration Of His Deficiency
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  
>  	What irks Mr.Mittleman about any of Moran's non responding, is
>  that when Mr.Mittleman or anyone else posts something Moran thinks
>  idiotic, he find it better to let it stand, in the nude, as self
>  evident. As to responding to any serious attempt, the record is always
>  here. 

	Moran has, of course, a double standard.  How many times has this 
lying anti-Semite annouced that anybody who does not refute his posts 
"endorses" them.

	Meanwhile, of course, Moran continues to run from any meaningful 
debate.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Specifications For "Proof"
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>   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:

>  Lipstadt is a polemicist and Jewish propagandist masquerading as an
>  historian. But that's nothing new.

	Al Baron is a lying anti-Semite masqueerading as a researcher.  But 
that's nothing new.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: McVay's rave review for nixing Zundel's air time.
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>   libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

>  No, Kurt--the media is not monolithic.  The "media bosses" have no
>  power whatsoever to shut you up.  You and your White Power Ranger
>  buddies can pool your money, if you like, and buy a newspaper, or
>  you can start your own crackpot shortwave radio show, or you can
>  flood usenet with the sort of horsecrap you've been posting here.
>  You aren't censored--you're just ridiculous.

>  I don't support censorship by the German government.  I think it's 
>  morally wrong; and I think it's a very bad idea indeed, since it 
>  gives you and your ilk a platform to whine from.  As for "censorship"
>  by the media--that's called editorial discretion, Kurt.  People who
>  own newspapers and television stations are under no obligation whatsoever
>  to print or air your delusional fantansies, any more than they are 
>  obligated to print the exciting stories of the man who thinks his 
>  sister's ghost is inhabiting the body of his dog.  

	What I found amusing is that the "denier's" around her -- who claim to 
put such a premium on "evidence" -- immediately assumed that becasue Inga 
Rimland said something it was automatically true.  Rimland has lied before about 
such "persecution" (she fabricated, for example, an incident where Villanova 
University cancelled a Muslim conference because of "Jewish" pressure.  In fact, 
there was no protest and the conference was held as scheduled.)

	Not a single one of those frantic defenders of "free speech" even 
bothered to find out if or why the station cancelled the program.  For all they know 
it could have been becasue they went to an automated top 40 program.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Ken McVay, common lying holohugger
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>   ellegon@ibm.net (Joel Rosenberg) writes:

>  Who would hire him, and why?

	Any good carnival.  Good Bobos are hard to come by.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Tom Moran Can't read (again!) (Was Re: Holocaust Specifications For "Proof")
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  Marty Kelley  wrote:


>  > But golly, Mr. Moran--she is saying that this is what OTHERS say.  She is
>  >not saying that she believes this--in fact, she goes on to explicitly say
>  >that Holocaust deniers must be countered with facts, and that therefore
>  >Pressac's book is necessary.
  
>  They argue Pressac's book is superfluous; the tears of the survivors
>  should be sufficient proof.
  
>  These are the words. I left off quote marks so it is clear that the
>  sentence is Ms.Lipstadt's and not a reference to something a
>  revisionist said, as Mr.Kelley is trying to infer. 

	It is clearly a reference to what others state.
  
>  The first part of the sentence is her statement on what revisionists
>  argue, the part, after a semicolon, is her statement on what should
>  suffice. A semicolon is different than a comma. It is defined in the
>  dictionary as "used to indicate a major division in a sentence". 

	It is not.

  
>  " ...; the tears of the survivors should be sufficient proof" is her
>  opinion, and not her quoting, in her own words, revisionists.

	Your knowledge of the English language is pitiful,

  
>  >"        In the best of all possible worlds they would be right.  The
>  >testimony of those who suffered as well as the corroboration of the
>  >perpetrators themselves would be the ultimate proof.
>  
>  	Now this sentence is hard to relate to any preceding relevance
>  which she implies with "...they could be right".

	Only becasue you are an illiterate bumpkin.


>  >  But eventually the
>  >survivors will pass on and future generations will seek this
>  >documentation.  Moreover, we live in a world where a small group of
>  >people, many of whom have an anti-Semitic and neo-fascist agenda, labor
>  >assiduously to convince future generations that the Holocaust was a
>  >hoax.
>  
>  	Okay here we have the statement that "many" revisionists are
>  "anti-Semitic" and "neo-Nazis".

	They are.  You, for example, are clearly an anti-Semite.  Child's play to prove 
it.  You know it yourself.  That's why you cut an run whenever you challenge to do is 
accepted.


>  	Somewhere we have to insert a comment on Ms.Lipstadts refusal to
>  debate. Her reason being something like it would be below the dignity
>  of the Holocaust memory. Not wanting to legitimize revisionism with a
>  serious acceptance for the debate.  Whatever her excuse for refusing
>  to debate, she refuses to debate, as all the rest of the top echelon
>  figures at the forefront of pressing the story.


	Another person who refuses to test his ideas in an impartial forum is T. Moran.

>  	If the "claims" of the revisionist are "utter nonsense" then one
>  should think she would take up the challenge and expose the utter
>  nonsense. "Utter nonsense" seems like something that should be easy to
>  deal with and expose as such.

	Which she does.

>  	Perhaps she should have used some other word than "debate" in her
>  first sentence. Here she refers to a "mound" of evidence, and we could
>  think what with a mound of evidence and the other side claiming
>  nothing but utter nonsense there should be no problem with dispatching
>  of any revisionist claims and questions. 

	There isn't.  that's why you have to resort to lies so frequently.
  

>  	All this could have been and can be accomplished in open debate
>  if she ever gets up the guts to accept.

	When will you have the guts to acknowledge that challenge has been 
accepted.

>  	She has written many things about many people, but by her own
>  brief account here she has not made one attempt at undoing any of what
>  they had to say, all she has done is to write things in her book about
>  them, such as Irving, and will not stand accountable on her own
>  initiative.

	Nor, of course, will T. Moran.  He will never stand up in an impartial forum and 
defend his venomous bigorty and lies.  He knows he can't.

>  
>  	Does Ms.Lipstadt use way out examples to make a point. Every
>  movement has their lunatic fringe and we could take notice of any
>  concentration on that instead of on the substance of revisionist
>  points and questions. 

	And you are a member of that lunatic fringe.




>  	I would say Ms.Lipstadt is thoroughly corrupt. Whether she knows
>  it or not, that is another question. 

	The stench of corruption can be smelled whenever T. Moran, a liar and an 
anti-Semite posts his nonsense.

  
>  	I would rate Mr.Kelley in the same ranks as Ms.Lipstadt.

	But then you are a liar and an anti-Semite attempting to put up a 
smokescreen.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 16 Sep 1996 09:02:27 -0400, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. 
Stein)
>  wrote:

>  >    Perhaps Mr. Giwer will post the alleged request from Ken McVay which
>  >could possibly have been legitimately answered by the mail which was sent. 
>  
>  >    Then again, given that he is a proven and self-confessed liar, perhaps
>  >he won't.

	He didn't, observe below:
>  
>  	I do not keep two+ month old mail.  That was of course the game 
McVay was
>  playing.  After all, if there was a problem with a mailbomb why did he wait 2+
>  months to complain about it?  Can you explain the delay?  

	There was no delay in reporting it.  There was a delay in getting 
netcom to act on it.  In fact, they apologized for the delay.
  
>  	And if there was no problem with it, why report it at all?  

	Because it was an attempt at disrupting his service with a mailbomb.

  
>  	If you were to receive a mail bomb would you wait over two months to 
report?

	No.  That's why it was reported immediately.  Moreover,  I write this 
post less than two months after your mailbomb.

>  	Is there something about this that I have to make so simple that even 
a
>  holohugger can understand?  

	You might try the truth.  That would be an interesting change in your 
modus operandi. 

	--YFE



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  
>  >  > >>      Then please present some evidence.
>  
>  Already done.

	No.  You said you had "a reasonable suspicion."  That's a starting point 
only.  It is not even hearsay.

	Hell I have a reasonable suspicion that Warren G. Harding was 
poisoned.  Does that make it correct to assert that, as a fact, Harding was 
poisoned and ask people to take it seriously?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Sep 17 21:37:14 PDT 1996
Article: 66484 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: McVay's rave review for nixing Zundel's air time.
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>   kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  The fact is, revisionism in America -is- censored, but instead of being
>  done by the government it is done by the media. Censorship is censorship,
>  whether done by the government or by media bosses.  

	It might be time to break this news to you.  One of the first acts of the 
1st Congress was to prose 12 amendments to the Constitution.  The third was 
passed by the states and remains part of the Constitution of the United States as 
the "1st Amendment."  Among the rights guaranteed by that Amendment is one 
generally known as "freedom of the press."  This gives the press -- i.e. the media 
-- the right to print what they want.  It also, by implication, aloows them not to 
print what they do not want to print.

	If you disapprove of what the prints or wish it to print something else 
your remedy is a simple one:  start your own newspaper, establish your own 
publishing house, or buy yourself a radio or television station.  This is, after all, 
the process by which the current "media bosses" obtained their ownership.

	Go ahead.  Be an American.  Enter the marketplace of ideas.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Sep 18 09:12:55 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  	In the last two days I have posted twenty or so messages contrary to 
the
>  holocaust myth and not one response from he holohuggers.


	That's a lie -- your usual means of communication.  Frankly your posts 
have descended into such a pattern of ranting and raving that it has become 
hard to take you seriously.
  
>  	It is good that the holohuggers have remained silent on the matter.  
They would
>  embarrass themselves were they to object.  

	The embarrasment is yours.  You have made a fool of yourself so 
many times that every time you post a new lie the question is: who is laughing 
loudest at you?

	I read your posts on Nuremberg.  It is apaprent you are familiar neither 
with law or those proceedings.

	Interspersed with your ignorant ravings have been dishonest 
ad hominum fabrications and a brand of anti-Semitic rants that would do Julius 
Streicher proud.

	--YFE

	


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: AN ADMISSION OF MY STUPIDITY
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) wrote:
  
>  >In accordance with the agreement with Netcom to allow me to once again 
have 
>  >access, I hereby do declare that I am a racist, pig-like liar and troller.

  
>  They forced you to be honest. Maybe there is a God after all. I guess
>  after this spurt of honesty you can go back to being the liar as you
>  have admitted you are, right?

	Actually since he has returned Matty poo has been even more 
dishonest than usual.  Other than his actionably dishonest anti-Semitic rants our 
resident six-year-old has lied as follows:

	1.  He has stated that his attempt to disrupt Nizkor service with a mail 
bomb was at the invitation of Ken MacVay.   Unfortunately he did not bother to 
make a copy of the invitation.  This is a lie.  (Moreover I am now very happy that 
I have been collecting cases on spoliation of evidence recently).

	2.  He has stated (actionably) that I (or Ken) have been harrassing him 
with illegal telephone calls.  Another lie.  Moreover since the calls would have 
been made by long distance it would have been child's play for Matty poo (how 
appropriate) to have them traced.   He has not, of course.  Perhaps this is 
because they never happened.

	3.  He continues his tasteless attacks on an authistic nine-year-old.

	4.  He continues to lie both about his posts and about the posting of 
others.

	--YFE	


From yawen@enter.net Wed Sep 18 09:12:57 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer Projects His Lies
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

  
>  	It is no different these days to harrass service providers to the same 
effect as
>  silencing the opposition.  It is a very, very nasty battle that is shaping up
>  here.

	No one has "harrassed" any service providers.  They haver 
complained about your illegal activities.

  
>  	On one hand we have the people who are trying get out a mesage 
and on the other
>  we have those trying to prohibit the message.

	In this case that one is M. Giwer.  In a post that can only be 
characterized as outright extortion he threatened Nizkor with "unspecified 
penalties" -- which he later stated were extra-legal -- unless they stopped 
publishing the truth about him.  Later he attempted to disrupt Nizkor service with 
a mailbomb.

  
>  	It is only the holohuggers attempting to stop the opposition.  

	M. Giwer has deliberately and illegally attempted to disrupt Nizkor's 
service.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Sep 18 09:12:58 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 08:57:08 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) 
wrote:

>  >No, no, kurtzi. For the alleged bombing of Dresden, we have
  
>  >1) Wildly differing estimates for the numbers of victims
>  >   (from 25,000 to 500,000).
  
>  >2) Absurd "testimonies" (people "melting into puddles of
>  >   melted flesh", or turning into "a fine layer of ash"
>  >   although the fire didn't touch them, etc).
  
>  	And of course the physical evidence of Dresden does not require 
one bit of
>  personal testimony.  However, for the steaming alive stories that is all there
>  is to support the yiddish holocaust.  


	WHAT physical evidence?  You ahve presented none.  You have 
described none.

  
>  >So, according to "revisionist logic", there was no bombing of
>  >Dresden. Why don't you just give it up?
  
>  	No one cares about whether or not Dresden occurs.  No one is 
called a
>  Churchillian for denying Dresden.  It is no more important than whether or not
>  Jews were gassed.  
>  
>  	Get that through your little skull.  
  
	Get soemthing through your thick skull, criminal,  the question is the 
methodology you espouse.  It sucks.  You lie and fabricate and when those lies 
and fabrication s are exposed, you open your vile mouth and violate every 
principle of civilization.

	You are a stinking, lying coward.

	But you knew that . . . .

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud's for you, part 2
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

>  >  I think what Mr. Edeiken is saying is that if you want to read the reports,
>  >  find them yourself.  He is not about to do your research for you.

>  I have just heard from Mr. E. in full, but thank you for your instructional 
comments.
>  However, I think I will have a difficult time finding reports which don't seem to 
exist.

	Actually that is *exactly* what you have been told to do.  The question 
is -- where have you looked?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Sep 18 19:34:06 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud's for you, part 2
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

  
>  >  	What you are, apparently, asking for is not the "reports" -- you have 
>  >  read them, his findings were contained in a single written report -- but Larson's 
>  >  raw notes.  I have no idea whether they were saved.  Many forensic 
pathologists 
>  >  destroy them after a final report -- the document you have -- is prepared.  I do 
not 
>  >  consider raw notes all that valuable especially when the conditions under 
which 
>  >  Larson worked are considered.  The chemical tests, fow example, were not 
>  >  reported to him until weeks after the p.m.s were performed.  What I consider 
>  >  valuable is Larson's medical opinion.  I know of no court that would not allow 
him 
>  >  to testify as to that.

>  Well, all of this notwithstanding, I do not accept the man's opinion without the 
actual
>  results of the tests so I can make a valid comparison.  As far as I am concerned, 
if
>  I were on a jury, I would not be impressed by any "experts" opinion, unless it was
>  fully substantiated by independent forensic  medical records.  Considering the 
gravity
>  of the charges here, I can accept no less.

	If you expressed such an opinion, you would never get to sit on a jury.  In 
my limited experience (I specialize in medical malpractice where such testimony is 
required by law) the juries listen quite attentively when a medical expert gives his 
opinion.  I have found it virtually useless to attack an expert using the method you 
propose.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud's for you, part 2
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	The conclusions of the report have been posted.  You are just too 
lazy to 

>  >  look up the report for yourself.

>  I think this issue has already been addressed elsewhere.  Nothing BUT the 
original
>  autopsies as well as the toxocological tests will suffice.

	Then why have you not looked them up?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: KREIBERG THE 'HUMANIST'
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

  
>  Yes it was a fatal error in the first place to turn e.g. the Scandinavian 
>  countries into multi-ethnic societies. Multiethnic societies do not work
>  and multiracialism sucks. Just take a look around in the world. Does
>  places like Cypruss, Sri Lanka, Sudan Israel/Palestine etc. ring a bell? 

	The U.S.?  Great Britain?  Australia?  Canada?


>  > From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
>  > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:58:14 +0100

>  >Danish citizens would of course not be deported. However some
>  >people will lose their Danish citizenship because they no longer
>  >qualify ethnically. Having lost their citizenship and not been
>  >granted a residence permit they will have their status changed to
>  >illegal aliens and then treated accordingly.

>  > From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
>  > Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:09:43 +0100

>  >Nonsens. However, these camps are supposed to inspire it's inmates
>  >to leave the country as quick as possible. Therefore they should of
>  >course not be too attractive.

>  This quotes have been taken out of their original context and have got a 
>  new meaning. All the moderating factors have been omitted.

	Bullshit, nazi-boy.  They expose you for what you are.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Julius Streicher - PORNOGRAPHER
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

>  >  Streicher was expelled from his party posts in 1940 because he was seen
>  >  as an embarassment; most of the higher ups also wanted to supress Der
>  >  Stuemer, but Hitler personally intervened and allowed Streicher to 
>  >  continue publication. Why'd he do that, Mr. Belling?

>  That isn't the point, Mr. Anderson.

	It certainly is.


>  He had been publishing the Stuermer since the
>  1920's.   I can't answer for Hitler, but it would seem to make sense that Hitler 
merely
>  let him continue with his "beloved hobby", where no one of any substance 
would
>  take him seriously, and where he would cause the least embarrassment.  If his 
paper
>  had any significant distribution or if influential people took his publication 
seriously,
>  it may have become an embarrassment, and Hitler probably would have 
banned
>  that as well.

	Since Hitler is known to have read Der Stuermer regularly and to have 
commented on its articles, you seem to be stating that Hilter and his coterie was 
not numbered among the "influential people" of the Third Reich.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: What is a "goyim"
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  	The statement was, "A "goyim" is a non-Jew".
  
>  	Your reply was "Wrong".

	He was correct.  You were wrong.

  
>  	When challenged to "right" the definition, you come back with a
>  plurilization reply, not part of the exchange.
  
	No.  he told you one reason why you were wrong.


>  	Mr.Anderson will always give it his 'best'.


	And you, on the other hand, are an illiterate idiot unable to comprehend 
you own language and its proper usage.

	--YFE



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 00:27:07 -0700, Brian Harmon  
wrote:

>  >Matt Giwer wrote:
  
>  >>         And of course the physical evidence of Dresden does not require one 
bit of
>  >> personal testimony.  However, for the steaming alive stories that is all there
>  >> is to support the yiddish holocaust.
  
>  >What physical evidence is this?
  
>  >As of yet, i've seen no evidence for this Dresden 'firebombing.'
  
>  	Are you claiming you have never seen the bombsight films of it 
happening and of
>  course they are traceable by records by reel number to flight number.  

	Nope.  Never saw them.  You said they might exist.  Where are they?  

	Further you have stated that no testimony would be required to explain 
the,  All they would show is some Euopean city is being bombed (assuming it was 
not a well done model -- the CIA is very good at that sort of thing).  There would be 
nothing to show show that the planes weren't bombing some other city entirely.

	Conclsuion: you have not met the standards you have set.


  
>  	Are you claiming you have never heard of personnel assignments to 
planes and
>  planes assigned to the raid?

	Nope.   Produce them.  Further produce the physical evidence 
connecting them to the bomb phots you have never produced.  Remember they 
must indicate this without the aid of testimony.

	Conclusion: Giwer flunks again. 

  
>  	Are you claiming you have never seen the damage assessment films?  

	Nope.  There might be pictures of Dresden after it was destroyed.  
Those pictures are consistent with a great fire (Chicago 1876, San Francisco 
1903)  There is nothing to connect it to an alleged bombing raid.  rember the 
evidence must stand on its own without the aid of testimony.

	Conclusion: Giwer can't prove anything.

  
>  	Are you claiming there are no inventory records connecting the bomb 
types to the
>  raids?

	Airplanes carried bombs?  Wow!  What a revelation!  How does this 
prove those bombs were dropped on Dresden?  Remember by your standards the 
records that airplanes carried bombs mus prove that they were dropped on 
Dresden with the aid of other testimony.

	Conclusion:  Giwer thinks airplanes carried bombs proves that Dresden 
was bombed.
  
>  	Are you claiming the planning documentation and minutes of the 
planning meetings
>  do not exist?  

	I've never seen it post it here.  The you had explain how proving that 
somebody planned to bomb Dresden proves that Dresden was bombed.   I would 
alos note that I produce minutes of planning meetings and other documentation on 
how MacClellan would outfox Lee by moving up the Penisula.

	Conclusion: Giwer thinks that Little Mac beat the hell out of Lee.

  
>  	People are  not needed at all to document what happened.  In fact 
witnesses do
>  nothing more than add color.  

	As noted above, you are blowing smoke.

  
>  	Now compare all of that to the complete lack of any films of people 
geing
>  gassed, the lack of records of people being gassed, the lack of any inventory
>  being assigned to gassing and the lack of everything else but people who claim
>  to have witnessed it but who report the impossible.  

	All ofwhich are far more documented than your idiotic bombing of 
Dresden which, by the standards you set clearly never happened.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Ken McVay, common lying holohugger
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:27:48, ellegon@ibm.net (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>  >Who would hire him, and why?
  
>  	Who would I apply to and why?  

	The local MacDonald's.  Because that's about the limit of your talent.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud's for you, part 2
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
  
>  >  If you have some reason to to factually doubt the Doctors reports then
>  >  do so. Insinuations and suggestions do nothing here. You have doubts
>  >  based on flimsy reasoning. So far all you have provided here is the
>  >  flimsy suggestions of missing notes. We do have his actual reports.
>  >  Possibly that was all the military ordered him to write. Since you are
>  >  SO concerned why don't you check into his original orders and the
>  >  procedures he was working under at the time. The military always has
>  >  procedures.
  
  
>  > Because his notes do not
>  >  exist, this means you will try to claim he wasn't honest in his final
>  >  reports that was written at the time.
  
>  I think this is a good enough reason for doubting the man's testimony.

	BZZZT.  Wrong.  It is standard procedure to destoy notes after a final 
forensic report is rendered. 

>  These
>  charges are so GRAVE that it is necessary to prove them completely and 
beyond
>  reasonable doubt. 

	Which is done by a final forensic report.  Read it.  Deal with it.


> I do not know whether his reports were accurate or not-what do
>  I have to measure them against? 

	Since you have not even bothered to read his report, you, of course, 
have no knowledge of it.



 You know as well as I do that "experts" all have
>  different opinions.  One "expert" will testify for the prosecution, and then 
another
>  "expert" will testify for the defense.  What separates the two is the independent 
>  forensic testing which in this case is missing.  Not only are the notes missing, 
but so
>  is the toxicological tests.  This is not "flimsy".

	Sorry.  The notes of a forensic expert are not available for 
cross-examination.   What makes you think that the toxilogical reports (which were 
rendered by a laboratory in Paris) were not part of his report?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: 99% of the story, 99% wacked out
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

  	
>  	As becomes evident on studying the validity of the Holocaust
>  story, 99% of it is told by eyewitness testimony.



	That is incorrect.
  
>  	When reviewing eyewitness accounts, it becomes evident that 99%
>  of these testimonies are wacked out. 

	That is incorrect.


  
>  	Posted here are a few comments released by Ingrid Rimland.
>  Stuff in ( ) is Moran's commentary. 	

	Who states that her opinion was that Hitler is the greatest man who ever 
walked the face of the earth.  Apparently Moran agrees with her.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Kurt Stele, Please Answer the White Courtesy Phone, Part IV
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
  
>  	Science is not about creating the plausible explanation.  It is about 
getting it
>  right.

	If so, then Matty poo hardly qualifies as one who beleives in science.  
He claimed that the tape of Himmler's speech at Posen was a forgery.  When 
challenged to submit his idea to scientific testing, he ran like a man with dystentary 
on his way to the bathroom.

	Matty poo still has not given an answer -- either positive or negative to 
the challenge.

	That is not an opinion.  That is a fact.

	Why is Matty poo afraid to have his ideas put to a scientific test?  Is it 
because he is aware that he is a fraud?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer Blows it for the Nth Time and lies while he is at it...
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>   schwartz@infinet.com wrote to M. Giwer, a liar and a fraud:
   
>  And I "made up" an autistic son just to taunt you, right?
   
>  Giwer, you are just about the biggest horse's ass I have ever had the
>  displeasure to meet.
   
>  You're such a BAD liar too.

	Maybe if you ask Matty poo, he will invade your privacy and harrass you 
family with such e-mailed gems as:

	"I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."  (e-mailed to me by Matty poo 19 August 
1996)

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  	Excuse me.  It did not happen.  Is that clear enough?   You are invited to 
post
>  cases of the removal of citizenship or laws requiring same. 

	He already did.


>  	Because jews were citizens and remained citizens.

	Wrong.  Jews were stripped of all rights of citizenship.  The Nuremberg 
laws are so well-known that only an ignoramus like you would even question that.

	--YFE


  



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Lame Nazi Apologetic (Re: The SS-Guilty as Charged?)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  I have seen photos of prisoners in 1945 who look relatively well fed at
>   both Dachau and Buchenwald..  They
>  are available and I think you are aware that they are available.

	Where are they available.  I have seen both photographs and film 
footage from George Stevens and William Mellor.  None show anything like 
what you state.
  
>  Concerning the german civilians you refer to-with whom am I to compared 
them
>  with-the people who died from typhus, dysentery, etc., or those prisoners who
>  were not struck by these diseases and still looked relatively healthy?

	No one but you has seen such pictures.



  You are still
>  attempting to utilize arguments which are directly associated to a time when 
living
>  conditions in the camps, for a number of reasons of various complexity, were 
>  out of control.  This is not fair.  BTW, I have indeed seen the photos and films
>  from Buchenwald and they are horrifying.  I imagine that if the USA was 
bombed
>  as extensively on the west coast, as Germany was by the allies, the 
Japanese
>  we incarcerated would have ended up the same way as the unforunates at
>  Buchenwald.

	What you neglect to add is that the those holding them prisoner and 
the civilians in the surrounding areas did not end up that way.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

  
>  	I don't "wonder" why you ("we") call me "anti-Semite".
>  It's because you can't come up with anything else.

	No, asshole.  It's becasue you *are* an anti-Semite.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  	Then why have you not looked them up?

>  I was under the impression that they do not exist, or cannot be traced.

	Who ever gabve you such an impression?  Giwer?


>  If this
>  is untrue, and they do indeed exist, I would be most interested in reading them.
>  Are you saying that the toxicological tests are available, as well as the original
>  written autopsy reports?

	Please get something through your thick skull.  The autopsy report *is* 
the report that was rendered.  You have been asking for his notes.  Those do not 
constitute a final report.  The standard practice among forensic experts is to 
destroy preliminary notes when a fial report is given.  The toxicological tests were 
given as a table at the conclusion of the report.

	Now stop making a Giwer of yourself and READ HIS REPORT.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>  In article <51d4q7$9gc@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:

>  >       The difference -- which you refuse to recognize -- is that the 
>  >people who you are talking about are not "illegal immigrants."  They are 
>  >Danish citizens either by birth or because they obtained that citizenship 
>  >by legal means.  
  
>  The problem is that they have a Danish citizenship without being Danes or
>  closely related to the Danes.

	No.  The problem is that they have an established right under Danish 
law.  The fact that they are citizens of Denmark makes them Danes.


  
>  >To arbitrarily 
>  >revoke such citizenship on the basis of ethnic origins is a violation of 
>  >their human and legal rights.  
  
>   Then those laws that grant them those legal rights have do be repealed. 
>  Furthermore who says that the socalled human rights represent something
>  absolute or God given. If they do not fit into the political reality they
>  have to be modified accordingly or abandoned if necessary. 

	Yes.  All laws which give people basic rights which which you 
disagree should be "repealed."  Just like in the Third Reich, nazi-boy.  Just like 
the NA wants to do in the United States.

	I wonder if you realize that each time you open your mouth you dive 
deepr and deeper into the brown stuff.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	If you expressed such an opinion, you would never get to sit on a jury.  In 
>  >  my limited experience (I specialize in medical malpractice where such testimony 
is 
>  >  required by law) the juries listen quite attentively when a medical expert gives 
his 
>  >  opinion.  I have found it virtually useless to attack an expert using the method 
you 
>  >  propose.

>  How do you know that I have not sat on a jury?

	I don't; you could have lied.  I know the questions asked of the panel in 
case where there is expert testimony.  If you gave  answers to them consistent with 
your statements here you would be stricken for cause.  I am also very familiar with 
the instructions given to a jury about expert medical testimony.  If you made a 
decision consistent with your answers here you would have ignored those 
instructions.


  Aside from that, I still believe the
>  original documents  are required in this instance.  I simply can not take someone's 
word 
>  for it.

	You are making a Giwer of yourself.  You are setting up an idiosyncratic 
standard then complaining that no-one complied with it 50 years ago.  The counsel 
(both sides) and the judges at Nuremberg were constrained by standard legal theory 
and rules of evidence governed by Article 19 of their charter.  The later trials, 
including the one at which Larson testified, were governed by U.S. stanrdards of 
evidence and proof.  No one knew that 50 years late you would strike out on your 
own and invent some new standards of evidence and proof unknown to our legal 
system.

  And if the allies were indeed prosecuting nazis for war crimes, it only stands to 
>  reason that this would be a CRUCIAL piece of evidence toward actually 
PROVING that
>  people were killed by the use of cyanide.

	Which is why they presented the report and testimony of a rcognized 
forensic pathologist.

  I mean no offense, but your comments
>  do not make sense.  Of course juries DO listen to the opinions of medical doctors,
>  but in a CRIMINAL case, the introduction of autopsy and toxicological
>   reports are an absolute require-
>  ment.  If not-why bother with the coroner?

	BZZZT.  The "coroner" is, in most places, an elected official charged with 
the investigation of deaths.  He is frequently not a physician and does not do the 
autopsies.  This varies from place to place, of course, but for example our local 
coroner (his office is across the stret from mine) is *not* a pathologist, he is not even 
a physician.

	In this case the medical report was that of Larson.  For all purposes 
whatsoever it is exactly what you are *now* asking for.  I know of no case (and my 
experience is primarily civil) where the raw notes are introduced.  In fact, Federal 
Rule of Evidence 703 (I have posted its text several time) is specifically designed to 
permit testimony such as Larson's *without* the documents that you claim are an 
"absolute requirement."  What is required is the testimony of an phsyician "to a 
reasonable degree of medical certainty."  You have that.

	Now stop playing Giwer and read what Larson has to say.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  >william c anderson (libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
  
>  >: Hilberg is not a historian...why?  Because you say so?  If you intend
>  >: to assert that he's not an historian because his degree was in political
>  >: science, it's going to be difficult to take you seriously.
  
>  >Furthermore, Hilberg explicitly says what he is doing in his introduction.
>  >He explains that he is writing about the Holocaust from the Nazis' own
>  >point of view; thta is, he examined documents written by the Nazis and
>  >reports what he found.  If a political scientist is not supposed to
>  >examine the workings of a government by examining the documents it
>  >leaves behind, just what is it that he's supposed to do?
  
>  	At least you agree he is not a historian.  So what is your point in 
posting?  


	No, Matty poo, he said the opposite.  Hilberg is a historian.  You, on the 
other hand, are a liar and a fraud.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  	For the lurkers, the method of establishing cyanide poisoning is the 
mascerate
>  (blender set on puree) a known weight of body tissue; liver is preferred.
>  Pre-death weight is estimated; for quckly discovered death it is the same as the
>  scale weight.  Cyanide compounds are then precipitated from the puree and
>  weighed.  The fraction of cyanide to body weight is calculated and compared 
to
>  known lethal ratios per pound of living body weight.  

	For the lurkers: this is the method for determining cyanide poisoning 
through ingestion.  When there has been ingestion the tissues of the body absorb 
cyanide.  It is *not* the determination used when the cyanide poisoning is 
gaseous.  In that case there is no absorbtion into body tissues.  The proper 
method to determine cynanide poisoning through gas is analysis of lung tissue.  
Lung tissue is rarely affected by maggots.  Nor, where there is cyanide present in 
the lungs is it neccessary to compute a lethal dose through body weight.  The 
presence of cyanide on lung tissue is determinative.

	Sorry Matty poo, you looked in the wrong section of the book.  An "F" 
in toxicology.

	Was it deliberate?

	--YFE


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>   dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:
>  tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  >	Mr.Anderson will always give it his 'best'.
  
>  	Well, he knows the difference between a singular and a plural -
>  something that seems to have escaped you.

	When l'il tommy gets this through his thick skull maybe he will devote his time 
to that other fascinating question:

	"What are lox?"

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) vomits on truth again:

>  	You mean that includes the harrassing phone calls I get from 
holhuggers?  

	FACT:  You have not demonstrated that you have received any.  You 
have libelled both myself and McVay by stating that we made such calls.  A 
complaint has been forwarded to notcom about these outrageous statements.

  
>  	Does that include the admitted mailbombing of me by holohuggers like 
Alec
>  Grynspan, ex-employee of a murdering organization run by a murdering country? 

	FACT: Whatever Grynspan did or did not do,  you lied about it.  You 
claimed to netcom that it was done at Nizkor's instigation.


 
>  
>  	Does that include harrassing my service providers and the cheering 
when I was
>  asked to leave my last ISP?  That was the obvious objective, an attempt to
>  silience what holohuggers do not want to hear?  

	FACT: You service providers were never harrassed.  People complained 
because you violated your terms of agreement.  As far as netcom is concerned all 
complaints went to a group that they have established to deal with such 
complaints.  None of the complaints were about your political orientation.  All were 
about your illegal and improper activities.

	One example of this was the repeated abusive e-mails you sent to me.  
Although asked several times to stop your reaction was (and this is your complete 
e-mail sent on 19 August 1996: "I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."

	Both I and netcom considered this a statement that, although requested 
to stop, you would continue to violate my rights.  You have been warned by 
netcom not to send any e-mail in the future.

	FACT: You have harrassed me and my family with your vile and abusive 
e-mail.


>  	Does that include a man identifying himself as Ken McVay calling my 
father to
>  let me know they knew where to find him?

	FACT: the call was not harrassment.

	FACT: you are lying about the content of the call.

	FACT: you lied about who made the call. 
  
>  	Does that include the lie that I have ever threatened the life of anyone? 
	
	FACT: you have made several threats.  These threats have included 
threats of of violence.

	--YFE





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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  	Lurkers are quite intelligent people, that is why they are here, to discover
>  there is another side to the holocaust stories.  

	If so they know you as a lair and a fraud.



>  
>  	What we are down to now are holohuggers pretending not to know what 
physical
>  evidence is.  They are a small crowd in a very tight corner trying to cover up
>  what everyone knows, that there is not now nor was there ever any physical
>  evidence of holocaust gassing.  Everyone knows there was no such evidence
>  presented at Nuremberg and none has been found since then.  

	You have been asked to define what "physical evidence" is.  You could not 
do so.  The reason is a simple one.  You have no concept of what evidence is or how 
to evaluate it.  You have a silly eccentric view of the world and ask everybody else to 
cater to your inane whims.

	You are a nutcase.

	That is something you cannot change.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	Actually that is *exactly* what you have been told to do.  The question 
>  >  is -- where have you looked?

>  I have read what Nizkor offers on this subject.

	A good place to start but, as it turns out Larson's complete report is 
not part of the Nizkor archives.  I guess you will have to do what any competent 
researcher must do.

	Look elsewhere.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 17 Sep 1996 04:06:54 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

  
>  >	The embarrasment is yours.  You have made a fool of yourself so 
>  >many times that every time you post a new lie the question is: who is laughing 
>  >loudest at you?
  
>  >	I read your posts on Nuremberg.  It is apaprent you are familiar neither 
>  >with law or those proceedings.
  
>  >	Interspersed with your ignorant ravings have been dishonest 
>  >ad hominum fabrications and a brand of anti-Semitic rants that would do 
Julius 
>  >Streicher proud.
  
>  	Thank you for the confirmation of what I said, no matter how 
hysterically you
>  had to phrase it.  

	I confirmed nothing you foul-mouthed liar.  Except, of course, that  you 
are a foul-mouthed liar.

	But since you are in a mood to retail your foul-mouth lies, perhaps you 
can explain why you e-mailed your filth to me on 17 August 1996 after having 
been, repeatedly, asked not send me any e-mail.  Perhaps you will also explain 
why, when asked again not to do so you lied and stated it was a forgery from 
Gyrnspan (the logs at netcon.com demonstrated it was from you) and then made 
the following statement:

	"I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer), the criminal, makes an ass of himself 
again::

>  >: On 16 Sep 1996 20:03 MST, dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu 
(Danny Mittleman)
>  >: wrote:
>  >Giwer wrote:
>  
>  >: >>	The facts are otherwise.  First, there are exactly two historians 
>  >: >> who have investigated and published on the holocaust.  

>  >: 	Name THREE historians with their degree credentials.  
  
>  >That's ALL?  You want three historians who've investigated and published
>  >on the Holocaust?  That's it?
  
>  >Listen, Matt--I gotta ask you something.  Are you some kind of masochist,
>  >to be making a challenge like this?  Because I have to tell you, this
>  >is going to be the easiest thing I've done all day...
  
>  >Okay, I'm back.  Took about fifteen minutes in the reference section
>  >of the library where I work:
  
>  >1) Christopher R. Browning, Ph.D. University of Wisconsin-Madison, 
>  >   1975.  Professor of History, Pacific Lutheran University, Tacoma,
>  >   Washington.  Author:  _The Path to Genocide_, Cambridge University
>  >   Press, 1992.
  
>  	Degree in what field?  
  
>  >2) Frank M. Buscher, Ph.D. Marquette University, 1988.  Professor 
>  >   of History, Christian Bros. College, Memphis, Tennessee.  Author:
>  >   _The U.S. War Crimes Trial Program in Germany_, Greenwood Press,
>  >   1989.
  
>  	Degree in what field?  What publications on gassing?  
  
>  >3) Jacob Boas, Ph.D. University of California, 1977.  Director of 
>  >   Education and Research, Holocaust Center of Northern California.
>  >   Author: _Boulevard de Miseres; the Story of Transit Camp
>  >   Westerbork_ Archon Books, 1985.
  
>  	Degree in what field?  What publications on gassing?  
  
>  >You don't look too bad--here's another:
  
>  >4) Gerhard Weinberg, Ph.D. University of Chicago, 1951.  William Rand
>  >   Kenan Professor of History, University of North Carolina,  Chapel
>  >   Hill.  Author:  Germany, Hitler and World War II, Cambridge
>  >   University Press, 1995.
  
>  	Degree in what field?  What publications on gassing?  
  
>  >That's all based on a few minutes with a holocaust bibliography
>  >and the Directory of American Scholars, Matt.  You were saying?
  
>  	Go back and do some more.  

	Why should he bother?  He made you look like an idiot with another 
of your fraudulent claims.  Now you not only refuse to admit the obvious -- that 
you were caught in another lie -- but you compound your intellectual dishonesty 
by trying to change the wording of your statement.




	You are a liar and fraud.


	Why don't you find some children to harrass.  I understand that those 
under the age of two tend not to fight back.


	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

  
>  Of course, Danny, YOU would have known how to provide immediate 
	Sure.  First you give them water.

	The water was available.  Kramer did not do this.

	Second you give them food.

	Food was available.  Kramer did not do this.

	Third, you provide medical treatment for the sick.

	Medical help was available.  Kramer did not do this.

	Fourth  you tell the sadisitc gang of thugs you command to stop killing 
people.

	Kramer did not do this.

	Apaprently you think Kramer is innocent.

	Provide us some proof that does not begin "In my opinion . . . . "

	--YFE	


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) admits his crimes:

>  	What I admit to doing is setting off the holohuggers so that they do 
nothing
>  productive regarding the subject so they have minimal time to interfere with
>  discussions of what really happened.  
  
>  	They leave so many hot buttons hanging out with "push me" signs that 
it is
>  difficult not to.

>  	And they have so little self discipline that they fall for it every time.  

	Is this, then, your expanation of why you criminally harrassed me with 
your obscene e-mail?  You opinion is that the vivtims of your crimes should not be 
upset?

	Thank you for the admission of your mens rea.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >  	Since Hitler is known to have read Der Stuermer regularly and to have 
>  >  commented on its articles, you seem to be stating that Hilter and his coterie 
was 
>  >  not numbered among the "influential people" of the Third Reich.

>  No, I didn;t say that, and where did Hitler write an article praising Der Stuermer? 
 I
>  also would like to refer you to my recent post "Der Stuermer"-Hitler's Favorite 
Mag?

	Yes.  It does not explain why Hitler read Der Stuermer regularly -- even 
when Streicher was disgraced for his incompetence as the Gauleiter of Franconia 
-- and commented favorably upon them.

	Your game is getting fairly transparent.  Ask for evidence and, when it is 
presented,  either state that your opinion based on no facts whatsoever is that it is 
fraudulent or ask for more.  Sometimes, as here, you request is infantile.

	--YFE


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>   dvdthomas@aol.com (DvdThomas) writes:

>   Or offense, as the case was in 1967, when Israel was "attacked" by firing
>  the first shots, and no military actions occurred within her borders.  It
>  was a preemptive strike, carried out in a ruthless, efficient and
>  successful manner.

	You are in error on two counts.

	The war began with a military blockade of the Israeli port of Elath.  
That is an act of war.

	There was an invasion of Israeli territory by the Jordanian army.  They 
got the snot kicked out of them but there was no fighting on the eastern front 
until that happened.

	--YFE


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>   dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:
>  mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  >	It has been common knowledge since around 1925 that the 
Zimmerman Note
>  >was a British forgery. 
  
>  	Please provide evidence for the assertion that the Zimmermann 
telegram
>  is a British forgery.
  
>  	According to the item on the VENONA decrypts at
>  http://www.fas.org/sgp/sec51.html David Kahn regards the Zimmermann 
telegram
>  as "one of the most important intelligence revelations of the century". From
>  what I remember in his book, there was no mention of it being a forgery.

	I think you are dealing with a proverbial Giwerism.  He heard something 
while he was drunk. misterpreted and no claims that his version is the truth (see 
for example, Giwer's statement that he was told that the potato is part of the ritual 
Passover meal).  What has been debunked is the story that it was found by 
accident.  Evidently it was provided by the British government.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 19 Sep 1996 01:51:37 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

  
>  >	You have been asked to define what "physical evidence" is.  You could 
not 
>  >do so.  The reason is a simple one.  You have no concept of what evidence is 
or how 
>  >to evaluate it.  You have a silly eccentric view of the world and ask everybody 
else to 
>  >cater to your inane whims.
  
>  >	You are a nutcase.
  
>  >	That is something you cannot change.

>  	Thank you very much for admitting there is no physical evidence by your 
refusal
>  to post any of it.  

	Why should I bother?  First, evidence acceptable in any American court 
is good enough for me.  I have no desire to cater to your nutball whims.

	Second,  others have posted it.  Youre reponse has been to lie


	.  You have some fraudulent definition of "physical evidence."  You are 
apparently so embarrassed by it, that, despite repeated requests,  you won't even 
tell us what it is.
  


  
>  	We agree there is no physical evidence of this gassing hoax you 
murderous Israel
>  sympathizer have been claiming.  

	Yes, you and Moran agree on that.  Two anti-Semitic nutcases whose 
bigoted view of the world is laughable.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud's for you, part 2
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  >  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	You are making a Giwer of yourself.  You are setting up an idiosyncratic 
>  >  standard then complaining that no-one complied with it 50 years ago.  The 
counsel 
>  >  (both sides) and the judges at Nuremberg were constrained by standard 
legal theory 
>  >  and rules of evidence governed by Article 19 of their charter.

>  Mr. Edeiken-it is standard procedure to submit detailed autopsy reports as well 
as
>  toxicological tests to the court in a homicide case.

	And Larson submitted jsut such a report.  You have been asking for his 
raw notes.


>  The examiner may, and probably
>  will be examined on the basis of these reports in the court room.  With just the
>  doctor stated according to notes that such and such was the result of a test, 
after
>  he had examined dozens of other victims, leaves room for doubt and I would 
be
>  disinclined to accept his testimony without the actual reports placed in front of 
me.
>  The doctor, no matter how good the intention-is fallible and good be mistaken.

	You have the actual report.


>  
>  >  	In this case the medical report was that of Larson.  For all purposes 
>  >  whatsoever it is exactly what you are *now* asking for.  I know of no case 
(and my 
>  >  experience is primarily civil) where the raw notes are introduced.  In fact, 
Federal 
>  >  Rule of Evidence 703 (I have posted its text several time) is specifically 
designed to 
>  >  permit testimony such as Larson's *without* the documents that you claim 
are an 
>  >  "absolute requirement."  What is required is the testimony of an phsyician 
"to a 
>  >  reasonable degree of medical certainty."  You have that.
  
>  I am not refering to Federal rules.  I refer to ordinary rules in a homicide case.

	The Federal Rules apply in all federal cases -- including homicide cases 
 -- in federal juristdiction.  Actually, in Pennsylvania, Rule 703 was adopted as the 
law in Pennsylvania in a homicide case: "Commonwealth v. Brown."


>  Well, I am not Giwer, but I must be insistent and repeat that the only evidence 
which
>  would suffice for me is the actual autopsy reports as well as the results of the 
tocicological
>  tests, not the doctor's hand written aide- memoire.  Sorry to be a thorn in the 
side, but
>  I feel we deserve no less.


	At this point I have not the foggiest idea what you want.  Larson's 
report is a report acceptable as evidence in any case.  It *is* the autopsy report.  
Your only complaint seems to be that it is not want you want and that your 
eccentric ideas should be given some credence.  I an trying hard not to insult you 
more than neccessary, but that makes you a Giwer.


>  We are talking about human beings alleged to have been
>  gassed to death here, and the ONLY way to be absolutely certain is to view 
the
>  original toxicological tests.

	And your qualifications to contradict the opinion of a forensic 
pathologist are?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	A good place to start but, as it turns out Larson's complete report is 
>  >  not part of the Nizkor archives.  I guess you will have to do what any 
competent 
>  >  researcher must do.
  
>  >  	Look elsewhere.

>  Apparently this will be like looking for a non existent needle in a very BIG 
haystack.

	Then improve your research skills.  It took me less than a day's work 
(including 4 hours travel time) to locate it.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) posts more venomous lies:
  
>  	So sayeth the Torah and the Talmud.
  
>>>>
	It should be noted that the ignorant bigot who posted this:

	1.  Less than one month ago did not know what the "Torah" is.

	2.  Had never studied the Talmud and has no idea what is contained in it.

	3.  Is a notorious anti-Semite who has frequently lied about Jews.

	It is, of course, useless to ask what texts to which he is referring.  He des 
not know himself.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 19 Sep 1996 22:40:52 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
  
>  >>  	Name THREE historians with their degree credentials.  Take all the 
>  >screens you
>  >>  need.  
  
>  >	Lucy Dawidowicz  (game)
>  >	Gerald Fleming   (set)
>  >	Abraham Sacher (match)
  
>  >	I expect your admission of error to appear shortly.
  
>  	I expect you to post their degree field and their publications on 
gassing.  But
>  you will not.  There are not three such people.  

	Lucy Dawidowicz (deceased):  Ph.D. in history.  Her works include 
"The Destruction of the Jews."

	Gerald Fleming:  degree (British) in history; professor emeritus at the 
University of Surrey (Great Britain).  His works include include "Hitler and the 
Final Solution"

	Abraham Sacher; Ph.D. in history.  Professor of history at George 
Washington University.  His works include "The Redemption of the Unwanted."

	All three are (or in the case of Dawidowicz, were) real people.

	Now where is you apology, asshole.

	--YFE 


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 19 Sep 1996 22:43:19 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
  
>  	A foolish little holohugger who has to insist a holocaust propagandist is
>  something that he is not.  
  	
>  	On the other hand, he is a historian the way you are an attorney, 
honorary.  

	No I insist that a professor in history who has written several books 
recognized as major works by other historians and is a reconized member of 
societies of professional historians qualifies as a historian.

	You, on the other hand, qualify as a fraud and a liar.

	--YFE	


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 19 Sep 1996 14:45:17 GMT, libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c 
anderson)
>  wrote:

  
>  >"A Jew cannot be a citizen of the Reich. He cannot exercise the right to 
>  >vote; he cannot occupy public office."
>  
>  >Supplement to the Reichsbürgergesetz (Law of the Reich Citizen), 
>  >November 14, 1935

>  	It is good to read that you agree that no one was stripped of citizenship. 
 

	Are you drunk again, Matty poo.  The statement you just read statews 
exactly the opposite.
  
>  	You and YFE have now both agreed to the point I made.

	No we bothcalled you a fraud and liar.  And proved both parts of that.

	--YFE


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>   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:

  
>  Stop splitting hairs Chuck, we both know what I meant was that there were
>  no homicidal gassings at Dachau. And we both know that after the war the 
Americans
>  palmed off a delousing chamber on the world as a gas chamber.

	Wrong.  But you usually are.

  
>  I also pointed out that a pair of lying scheming Zionist Jews (par for the course)
>  had, in South Africa in 1976, misrepresented this "evidence" as part of their
>  successful campaign to suppress Revisionism in South Africa.

	Lying about Jews again.  Par for the course.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 20 Sep 1996 02:31:37 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

  
>  >	For the lurkers: this is the method for determining cyanide poisoning 
>  >through ingestion.  When there has been ingestion the tissues of the body 
absorb 
>  >cyanide.  It is *not* the determination used when the cyanide poisoning is 
>  >gaseous.  In that case there is no absorbtion into body tissues.  The proper 
>  >method to determine cynanide poisoning through gas is analysis of lung tissue. 
 
>  >Lung tissue is rarely affected by maggots.  Nor, where there is cyanide present 
in 
>  >the lungs is it neccessary to compute a lethal dose through body weight.  The 
>  >presence of cyanide on lung tissue is determinative.
  
>  >	Sorry Matty poo, you looked in the wrong section of the book.  An "F" 
>  >in toxicology.
  
>  >	Was it deliberate?

>  	For said lurkers, you have confirmed what I said.  Thank you.  There 
were
>  exactly ZERO autopsies at Dachau that indicated cyanide poisoning despite 
your
>  lies that  there were such autopsies.  

	I most certainly did not confirm what you stated.  I flatly contradicted it.

>  	There are no autopsey reports that claim death by cyanide poisoning at 
Dachau.  


	There is a report from a forensic pathologist based upon his autopisies 
and examination of the cadavers.

  
>  	Even the US Army gave up such claims fourty years ago.  They were 
given up as a
>  known and blatant lie.

	Please post your sources for this.  The US Army has never made this 
position public.

>  	But of course, even in the face of those discovering the gas chamber 
changing
>  their story, YFE insists it really existed.  
	The US Army has never stated that a gas chamber was not in existence 
and use at Dachau.  They have stated it was not used for mass extermination.  
Once more we have Matty poo distorting something beyond recognition.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >  >   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
 
>  >  >  I have never said that Goldhagen is perfectly acceptable. Goldhagen has 
not
>  >  >  gotten a good reception in this forum nor from his peers.
  
>  >  	Strangely enough Goldhagen has received his most enthusiasic reception 
in 
>  >  Germany.  His book is on the bestseller list and he speaks to packed houses.

>  To what do you attribute this?

	There was a report on "All Things Considered" which interviewed several 
Germans who had been at the debate.  The gist of theri answers was that it was the 
first time they had been presented with a credible explanation of why people 
participated in the Holocaust rather than just the fact that it happened.  Assuming 
that was true, I would attribute it to lousy teachers.

	--YFE


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <51drcf$s4i@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com14 Sep 
1996
  
>  :>No direct evidence was ever produced to substantiate the claim that
>  :> Streicher was a purveyor of pornography in a sexual sense, as is
>  :> implied by authors like Shirer and Snyder, et. al.  That certain
>  :>individuals considered him to be a "pervert" is not germane to the
>  :> issue.  Gossip is no replacement for fact.  He was never charged
>  :> nor convicted for publishing pornography, though the Weimar repub-
>  :>lic certainly had anti-pornography laws.  Consequently, the accusation
>  :> that Streicher was a publisher of pornography must be considered to be libel.
  
>  Well, one statement and wrong already.  _You_ introduced the purveyor of
>  pornography point, Mr. Blackmore, no one else.  When I challenged you to cite
>  one reference where Streicher had been called a purveyor of pornography, you
>  were unable and are still unable to do so.  Now you are reduced to saying that
>  Shirer and others _implied_.  That's not good enough.  You made the rules, 
now
>  you stick to them.  

	Actually, as several people pointed out, the person who referred to him 
as a pronographer was Adolf Hitler.  William Shirer referred to him as a 
"pornographist."  A rather interesting word which might or might not refer to 
publishing pornography.  It might well have been meant to refer to his private life, 
which Shirer commented upon in the same paragraph.  Others pointed out that 
Streciher's work often contained lurid -- and false -- accounts of the ravishing of 
Aryan women by the evil Joooos.  In the days before modern free speech 
decisions, that was considered fairly racy stuff.  People, including Mae West, 
were banned from American radio for obscenity for far less.

>  :>However, there is one thing which this plethora of documentation does NOT
>  :>prove, and, I must confess,  has been puzzling me for days:
>  :>
>  :>If it has been proven that Streicher was indeed the most vociferous and 
radical
>  :>opponent of the Jews, and, indeed, the documentation offered by Nizkor 
over-
>  :>whelmingly proves this, as they themselves have pointed out, WHY was 
Streicher
>  :>not appointed to oversee the "extermination" of his hated enemies, the 
Jews?
>  :>Who else could have been more suited for the task than the old Jew-baiter?  
>  :>How could his "friend", the Fuehrer, overlook his old and faithful companion,
>  :>whose scurrilous newspaper he allegedly read with devotion?  Would not 
Streicher,
>  :>who had been commissioned as an SS Gruppenfuehrer in 1934, have been 
ideally
>  :>suited for the task, instead of the petty thief Globocnik, or the unstable 
Hoess?
>  :>Indeed, the many tales of his sadism and sexual perversions, in which he 
allegedly
>  :>achieved orgasisms while beating people, would confirm his perfect suitablility 
for
>  :>tormenting and eradicating Europe of the Jews.  After all, it is not as if 
Streicher
>  :>had something better to do with his time:  in early 1940, Hitler placed 
Streicher on a
>  :>REDENVERBOT, which means that Streicher was forbidden to make public 
statements
>  :>or give public speeches.  Later that year, Streicher was removed as Gauleiter 
of Nuremberg.
>  :>What strange conduct on the part of the Fuehrer!  The speaking ban was 
imposed through-
>  :>out the whole war.  
  
>  The question is like asking why Goebbels was not made head of the army.  
The
>  fact that Streicher hated the Jews had nothing to do with whether he had the
>  organizational and other skills required to bring together such a huge
>  project.  Indeed, by the time the project got underway, as _you_ have pointed
>  out, Streicher had been shorn of all executive power.  Streicher was a
>  propagandist and journalist, not an organizer or administrator.  For that you
>  needed the boring, colorless people like Himmler, Heydrich and Eichmann.    



	Apparently Mr. Blackmore must also wonder why Sam Adams was not 
made commander of the Continental army or appointed to some other high office.







	--YFE


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Subject: Re: Giwer the Ignorant
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  	Then how do you know there were any such prisoners?  Please be 
specific in your
>  answer.  

	From. among other documents, the railroad manifests of the people 
transported to Auschwitz.

	You really are ignorant.

	--YFE


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>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:

>  If you read any good book on the IMT, it seems that the Judges relied
>  more on documentation in their verdicts. Also because the
>  documentation had to read into the record, this limited the amount of
>  documents the Americans could enter. The American wished to bury the
>  defense in documents. But they failed to translate these documents
>  into the various languages. So the judges ordered that these be read
>  by doing so caused them to be translated by ther IBM system in use by
>  the court. Neat, huh? When you post these excerpts without comment we
>  must shrug. We have no idea as to the affect/effect or content of
>  these testimonies. Appears to be a bubblering Giwer methodology.

	I have found two books on Nuremberg stand head and shoulders 
above the rest Conot's "Justice at Nuremberg" and Taylor's "The Anatomy of 
the Nuremberg Trials."

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 21 Sep 1996 02:47:05 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> 
>  >>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  >>  On 19 Sep 1996 22:40:52 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
  
>  >>  >>  	Name THREE historians with their degree credentials.  Take 
all the 
>  >>  >screens you
>  >>  >>  need.  
  
>  >>  >	Lucy Dawidowicz  (game)
>  >>  >	Gerald Fleming   (set)
>  >>  >	Abraham Sacher (match)
  
>  >>  >	I expect your admission of error to appear shortly.
  
>  >>  	I expect you to post their degree field and their publications on 
>  >gassing.  But
>  >>  you will not.  There are not three such people.  
  
>  >	Lucy Dawidowicz (deceased):  Ph.D. in history.  Her works include 
>  >"The Destruction of the Jews."
  
>  >	Gerald Fleming:  degree (British) in history; professor emeritus at the 
>  >University of Surrey (Great Britain).  His works include include "Hitler and the 
>  >Final Solution"
  
>  >	Abraham Sacher; Ph.D. in history.  Professor of history at George 
>  >Washington University.  His works include "The Redemption of the 
Unwanted."
>  >	Now where is you apology, asshole.
  
>  	Where are the publications on gassing?   


	First, you asked for three historians who have written about "the 
Holocaust."

	That challenge has been met.

	Your apologies please.


	Now you are asking a different question: where did they write about 
gassings.  Those writings cane be found in:

	Dawidowicz;  "The Destruction of the Jews"

	Fleming: "Hitler and the Final Solution"

	Sacher: "Redemption of the Unwanted"

	That is now *two* apologies owed by you.

	You are so easy it's pathetic.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <51ca4p$rme@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> - mgiwer@ix.netcom.com 
(Matt 


>  :>	As McVay and and YFE have demonstrated, holohuggers are liars and 
will
>  :>harrass ISPs simply to get a person silenced.  

>  :>	It is clear that you folks do not want real discussion.  Bnd it is
>  :>clear that you will pretend you do while you do the contrary.

>  Is it just me, or is Giwer starting to sound like the "you're a poopy drawers"
>  stuff you normally expect to hear from a two-year old?  (My apologies in
>  advance to all two-year olds.)

	No.  He sounds like the guy caught in bank with a stocking over his 
head, a gun in one hand and a note stating "Give me all the money" in the other 
complaining that he was arrested because all the police are on the pad. 

	For the record, Giwere sent me several e-mails containing  venomous 
anti-Semitic rants (anyone who has read Giwer knows the type to which I am 
referring).  I e-mailed him twice informing him that I and my family wanted no more 
e-mail from him.  His repsonse was, first, to claim that Grynspan had forged it.  His 
second response was (in its entirety):

	"I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."

	Apparently Giwer believes that it is within his rights to harrass people 
with his obscene e-mail.  It should be noted that the criminal laws of both Florida 
and Pennsylvania take the opposite view.

	It is also worthy of note that the other deniers on this conference have 
kept their silence.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Coffee Alert!: (was: Goyim are scum)
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) first warns us that he is going to make an idot 
of himself and then does so:

>  rjg@d31sg0.Stanford.EDU (Richard J. Green) wrote:
>  
>  >In article <3242af9b.3546836@news.pacificnet.net>,
>  >tom moran  wrote:


>  >>	So sayeth the Torah and the Talmud.

>  >Where does the Torah say this?  Please cite a specific reference.   If
>  >the Torah says such a thing, why do so many Gentile Christians believe 
>  >it is the word of God?
  
>  	There numerous passages were the "seed" is referred to. The
>  genetic lineage of the biblical names are constantly being reviewed.
>  The Bible consistently refers to god as being their god. The Bible
>  states the Jews can do this or that to the gentile but not to another
>  Jew.

	Moran has no answer.  The Bible -- which includes the Torah is beyond 
doubt the most widely distributed book on the face of the earth.  Moran, for some 
reason, cannot find a copy  of it to quote.


>  	Where exactly in the Bible? The Torah, the first five books.
>  Where exactly in the Torah? Couldn't say at this time. My notes are
>  stashed. It's repeated throughout. Anyone reading the Bible can keep
>  an eye out for the themes, which are common.   

	No-one but Moran has noted that the theme "Goyim are scum" is part 
of the Bible.

>  >What is your reference for the Talmud saying that "gentiles are scum?"
>  >What translation are you reading?
>  
>  	What "translation"? You mean what version? Whatever is posted at
>  this time on the group and that which can be found on the web.


	Moran has not answer for the question.

> As far
>  as I know, the Talmud is always undergoing rewrites. I would say that
>  the older versions are more vituperative than the present ones. I
>  might theorize the newer versions are for goyim eyes and the older
>  ones are the ones that are actually used.

	Moran now theorizes about works he has never read and never even 
seen.  
  	
>  	It all adds up to the present day vernacular use of the word
>  scum. 

	Moran can still not find a single fact to back up his statements.  He 
further admits that his vituperative anti-Semitism is the result of his imagination 
rather than any knowledge.

	Coffee alert is correct.  Perhaps it should appear on all of Moran's posts 
to protect the public from his bigotry.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 20 Sep 1996 19:02:58 +0100, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

  
>  >	Please provide evidence for the assertion that the Zimmermann 
telegram
>  >is a British forgery.
  
>  	How about the Brits admit it and make no bones about having done it? 
 Good
>  enough for you?  

	No.  You have a track record of making things up.  What Brits "admit 
it."  Al Baron does not count.

	--YFE


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>   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:

  
>  "Anti-Semitism" is not a criminal offence in Britain. Yet. Which is just as
>  well as according to the ADL, 20% of the adult population would be in gaol.
>  Re the other allegations, I suggest you come to the trial - which will be a
>  purely civil affair, and the trial of the century.

	Lyin' Al now repeats one of his favorite lies.

	He has been asked in the past to substantiate this lie by citing a single 
ALD report, statement, letter, or position paper in which it can be found.

	He could not.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  	The Holocaust story is one that is mostly supported by
>  "eyewitness" accounts of what they saw.

Completely untrue.  But you have been told this before.


	Score so far: History 1
		     Moran: zero

  
>  	The Holocaust story is supported by survivor testimony.

	Which are consistent with the physical and documentary evidence 
and the tetimony of the killers.

  
>  	UFO stories now number over hundreds of survivor accounts of
>  being taken on board a alien spacecraft and subjected to medical
>  experiments.

	Which are not supported by any physcial or documentary evidence.  
Nor have any UFOs testified about abducting people.

	Score so far: History 2
		     Moran 0

  
>  	The Holocaust story relies on physical evidence, such as a door
>  from a gas chamber, some brick ovens in a Holocaust museum, a pile of
>  shoes or an empty can of Zyklon B.

	Correct.  And lots of other stuff as well.
  
>  	UFO stories pose physical evidence also, like a wound someone
>  says they got from a ordeal encounter with aliens' a piece of metal
>  said to come from a UFO crash and even the Great Pyramides of Egypt.


	This hardly qualifies as physical evidence.

	Score so far:  History 3
		      Moran nada

  
>  	The Holocaust presents some photos, such as a ruin said to have
>  been a gas chamber, or people standing by rail cars and said to be
>  undergoing selection for gas chambers. 

	Which is consistent with the testimony and the phsyical evidence.

>  
>  	UFO stories include photos of aliens, circles in farmers fields
>  as proof of alien landing and photos of rock formations on Mars said
>  to be ruins of a past civilization.

	Which is not consistent with a large body of evidence.

	Score so far:  History 4
		       Moran zilch


  
>  	The Holocaust has had many of it's claims exposed as lies, such
>  as Auschwitz numbers, gas through shower heads and soap made of human
>  fat.

	Moran has invented a few straw men, then pretends that others have 
made those statements.


  
>  	UFO stories have had many of their claims exposed as being lies,
>  such as the two farmers who confessed to pulling off the hoax of a
>  landing site in their fields.

	Moran invents another strawman.

	Score so far:  History: 5
		       Moran:  the goose egg
	 
>  	Interesting.

	Yes.  As a study in your pyschopathology.

	Have you ever considred letting scientists examine your reasoning 
processes?  Now that could be really interesting.

	For those unfamiliar with Moran: he is a liar and an anti-Semite and, 
although he issues challenges to debate, always seems to be elsewhere when 
a debate before an impartial tribunal is suggested.

	--YFE


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>   dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) writes:
>  
>      There is no point in debating the troll.  He cares not to gain
>      knowledge, he is simply disruptive (as evidenced below).  Any lurker
>      can see there are many more than two Holocaust historians by perusing a
>      discussion of Holocaust historiography such as:
>  
>           Lucy Dawidowicz, _The Holocaust and the Historians_,
>           Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1981.  (ISBN
>           0674405668)

	Sometimes, Dr. Mittleman, you take all the fun out of watching Giwer 
make a fool of himself.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) makes an incredible ass of himself:

>  >>         And you are very, very ignorant if you think one person in a hundred in 
Israel
>  >> speaks Hebrew beyond Torah reading.  Hebrew died out as a living 
language more
>  >> than two thousand years ago.

	To which Keith Morrisson gave him a chance to retract:

>  >Want to reconsider that statement, Giwer?  Or would you rather have 
someone
>  >posting from Israel to humiliate you first?


	Matty poo did not, of course, have the sense to take this convenient 
escape route:
  
>  	Gee, and all I said was who speaks it.  I said nothing about what 
feel-good law
>  there might designate.  
  
>  	Maybe you never watch ITN or CNN to hear live coverage of 
government speeches
>  given in english, on your TV they come through in hebrew.

	The speeches in the Knesset are all given in Hebrew.  So are all 
"government" speeches that I have heard.



  Perhaps you can tell
>  me just how many street and shop signs you have seen in Hebrew.  How many 
times
>  have you seen Tel Aviv and Jerusalem spelled in hebrew characters?  

	All of them.

  
>  	Perhaps you are going to claim the Demjanjuk show trial was 
conducted in hebrew.


	It was.

  
  
>  	Perhaps you claim Israeli laws are promulgated in hebrew?  

	Absolutely.


  
>  	Just what is it you are trying to claim?  That a law changes reality?  I 
have
>  known quite a few Israeli ciitzens and now one of them spoke hebrew although 
one
>  claimed the slight hebrew content in yiddish was good enough to claim to 
speak
>  Hebrew, but was the same man who insisted yiddish was not a german dialect. 

	They were putting you on.  They saw a gullible fool and you believed 
them.  It is also rather amazing that are not aware that, until the recent influx of 
Russian Jews the majority of Israelis (about 55%) were of Sephardic descent.

 
  
>  	It is amazing how far you folks will go to protect jewish murderers.  

	It is amazing how stupid you are.


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 21 Sep 1996 20:36:32 +0100, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:
>  
>  >mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  >>	That point is that yid-speak has been so used by the eastern european
>  >                           ^^^
>  >	For someone who claims not to be an antisemite, you are inordinately
>  >fond of the word "yid".
>  
>  	I have no idea who started the rumor that I have ever made any such 
statement.
>  Probably someone who lies to protect israeli murderers.  

	Liar.  You have stated that calling you an anti-Semite is "libel."  In fact 
you called it a "blood libel."

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:

>  >  >What you saw were fakes, plain and simple.  It's not our fault if you are so 
gullible.
>  >  
>  >  And this is an example of your taking the high ground. Yup, Im
>  >  impressed Mr. Belling/Blackmore.

>  I'll be more impressed when you produce the samples.

	No.  You'll just think up some other impossible condition.  You have a 
pathologist's report.  You have no evidence other than your own opinion.

	You have nothing but some rather eccentric ideas.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
  
>  >  	Your game is getting fairly transparent.  Ask for evidence and, when it is 
>  >  presented,  either state that your opinion based on no facts whatsoever is 
that it is 
>  >  fraudulent or ask for more.  Sometimes, as here, you request is infantile.

>  Too bad you can't reply to it with facts, rather than hear-say gossip.

	It is neither hearsay or gossip.  It is fact.  The problem is that you do like 
those facts.  I have not insulted you so far but I thinlk it about time.  You are a 
Giwer.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  No.  You prove to us that this head was shrunken at Buchenwald.  Prove
>  who did it, how they did it, and prove the identity of the victim.  Also prove
>  that it is indeed a real shrunken human head, and then arrange to conduct
>  DNA testing to determine the age and approximate time when the victim
>  was killed.  Then get back to us.
 
>  First prove the above, then we'll continue the discussion.

	And the continuation of the discussion will be:

	1.  A demand for the birth certificates of all the lawyers and the 
judges.

	2.  The record of certification of the court reporter.

	3.  The architectural plans of the court-room.

	4.  Weather reports for the years 1945-50 in Silesia.

	5.  Pictures of the judge's secretary, both clothed and in the nude.

	6.  The serial numbers of the weapons carried by the guards in the 
courtroom.

	7.  The dental records of the victim and proof that he had a smallpox 
vaccination.

	8.  Proof that there was a nazi party in Germany.

	Then, of course, he will claim he has a "reasonable suspicion."

	Another Giwer.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  Why don't you just comment on the quotes?  A little bit embarrassing?

	No, they are meaningless.  Giwer presents the fact that certain 
defense attorneys made certain objections.  He does not note the response of 
the prosecutors; he does not print the decision of the court.  They are a giant 
"So what?"

	Giwer claims that a present day appeals court would reverse on the 
basis of what he printed.  He is wrong.  A modern appeals court would not even 
*consider* his arguments.  Indeed, if he quoted them for any purpose other than 
to demonstrate preservation of the issue, he would be escorted from the 
court-room.  If he persisted in his line of argument with some very specific 
instructions as to how his contempt can be purged.  I have seen it happen.

	--YFE


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>   acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:
>
>  Do you not consider the Zundelsite as a reasonable presenter of the 
>  truth, in opposition to the Holohoaxers?

	No.

	--YFE  



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>   dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

>  	Then again, you could admit you were wrong; it would be far less
>  humiliating for you in the long run than clinging on to your story that the
>  Zimmermann telegram was a forgery.

	Your giving this advice to someone who will defend to the death his 
statement that less than 1% of Israelis speek Hebrew?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  	Holohugging attorneys would have you believe this is a part of a fair 
trial.  
  
  
>  FROM YOUR IMT:
  
>  
  
>  DR SEIDL: When the witness was heard here I had no opportunity to
>  cross-examine him, and for that reason ....
  
>  PRESIDENT: Why did you have no opportunity to cross examine him?
  
>  DR SEIDL: Because I did not know beforehand that he would be called by the
>  Prosecution as a witness and had no opportunity to speak to the Defendant
>  Frank about the questions which might have been put to the witness.
  
>  [....]
  
>  DR SEIDL: May I perhaps add something to this point?  The difficulty of cross
>  examination is just this, that we do not learn of the intended calling of a
>  witness by the Prosecution until the witness is led into the courtroom, and
>  we do not know the subject of the evidence until the Prosecution start to
>  examine the witness.
  
>  

	This passage demonstrates that an attorney made an objection during a 
trial.  Nothing more.  There is no response from the prosecutors.  There is not  
a ruling by the judge.

	Perhaps you will tell us why you consider the fact that an attorney made 
an objection proves anything more than that an attorney made an objection.

  
>  Just like in any regular trial.
  
	In every trial in which I have seen or in which I have participated, 
lawyers have made objections.  If you have any problems with this procedure why 
don't you tell us about them.

	We all need a laugh.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 21 Sep 1996 20:16:03 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>  	Then how do you know there were any such prisoners?  Please be 
>  >specific in your
>  >>  answer.  
  
>  >	From. among other documents, the railroad manifests of the people 
>  >transported to Auschwitz.

>  	Unfortunately, some months ago I brought up the use of railroad 
manifests as a
>  source of the number of unregistered and I was informed by the holohuggers 
that
>  there were no such manifests.  

	You are lying.  No one ever said that.  What they said was that not all 
of them still exist.  Many do.  So do the bills presented by the German raliway 
system for the transportation.  Examples of both are on display at the Holocaust 
Museum of Houston.


  
>  	And since then we have found that the Einsatzgruppen executed some 
4.2 million
>  people and thus the recorded number of people sent to all the camps in fact
>  matches the number of registered people in the camps.

	You are out of your mind.


>  If you recall the
>  holhugger insistance that there were over 1000 camps then you will realize that
>  there was an average of under 1800 prisoners in each of them minus the EG 
talley
>  of course.  

	Goldhagen gave the figure of 10,000 camps.  Please try to put a fact or 
two in your incoherent rants.
  
>  	Have you not been paying attention to the discussion?  

	Of course I have.  You have descended into utter incoherence.  If you 
were sober when you wrote this I suggest you seek medical help.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
  
>  	That was not a change, that was the original request.  It was you folks 
who
>  shortened it, failing to provide the original request.  But of course you will
>  come up with one that you can construe did not include gassing.
  

	Liar.  Your original statement was that there were only two historians who 
wrote on "the Holocaust."  Your challenge was to name three historians who had 
researched and written on "the Holocaust."

	Play you childish games with soemone else.

	Admit that you were wrong.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	Sure.  First you give them water.
  
>  The water with the corpses floating in it?

	Gee, first you take the corpses out.
  
>  >  	The water was available. 
  
>  The only water available was in the river, which Kramer thought was polluted.
>  There indeed was not enough water in the camp to supply the thousands of ill 
people
>  jammed in there, which was not Kramer's fault.

	The British restored water in hours.  Kramer could not do it days.

  
>  >  	Second you give them food.Food was available.  Kramer did not do this.

>  No.  Most of these peole were ill with gastro-enteritis.  Food aggravates this
>  condition.  Also, the food was NOT available for these great numbers.
  

	The British managed to do it within hours.

  
>  >  	Medical help was available.  Kramer did not do this.
  
>  Not true,  The attempt was made.  Even the British had problems saving lives,
>  and they were better epuipped than kramer by a long shot.

	No attempt was made.  Kramer did not take even the most basic public 
health precautions.



>  >  	Fourth  you tell the sadisitc gang of thugs you command to stop killing 
>  >  people. Kramer did not do this.
  
>  Where is the order that he told them to kill people?  Also, some of these guards 
were
>  not under his direct command, having been sent there during the last few 
weeks of the
>  war.


	That is not the question.  He was in command of the camp.  He made 
no effort to stop what the men under his command were doing.  They were killing 
inmates even as the liberators entered the camp.

 
>  >  	Apaprently you think Kramer is innocent.
  
>  I know Kramer was innocent.

	Sure,  Talk to Lyin' Al.  He'll tell you that he knows Al Capone was 
innocent.

  
>  >  	Provide us some proof that does not begin "In my opinion 
  
>  I already did.  Read it.. . . . "

	No.  You have not.  You have made statements contradicted by the 
facts and make a half-hearted attempt to explain them.  That dog don't hunt.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
  	
>  	As Moran sees it, the only reason to be out here is to expose the
>  extortional Holocaust story as a lie. Sort of like a patriotic duty, a
>  concern for the world.
>  	But posting stuff out here is like being a gardner who is trying
>  to grow something and has to go out and pull some weeds once in
>  awhile. 
>  	This is the only reason why Moran even responds at all. 

	So much for Moran's claim that he is in favor of open debate.

	The real reason is, of course, that every time Moran has attempted to 
defend his statements it has become obvious that he is a dishonest and  illiterate 
dolt motivated by a virulent strain of anti-Semitism.

	He does not contest that.

	--YFE
	


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  
>  	Generally Moran doesn't bother clicking up anything under
>  Mr.Edeiken's name, usually just marking it 'read', leaving it just for
>  the record.

	That is becasue you are a liar and an anti-Semite and don't like being 
mailed with the truth.

>  	As soon as Moran saw Mr.Edeiken's name under the post topic, he
>  thought to himself, 'That dirty rat. What could this rat be having to
>  say under this report of the Holocaust dependents and supporters
>  attack on my dear, beloved, dedicated, wholesome family'.

	Perhaps you think that this means something in the English language.  
If so, you are a very stupid liar and anti-Semite.


>  	Moran hesitated before moving to click up Mr.Edeiken's message.
>  He thought to himself, 'Could this dirty rat be so dirty as to ...' 
>  Moran slid the arrow up to the messagers name. As Moran pressed down
>  on the mouse, he thought to himself, 'This dirty rat better not have
>  said anything nasty about my dog'.

	No I just exposed you as a liar and an anti-Semite.

	--YFE	


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>   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:

  
>  I've heard of the Zinoviev letter, which was a forgery, but what was the 
>  Zimmerman telegram?

	The Zimmerman telegram was a communication from the German 
foriegn ministry to the government of Mexico promising them the return of Texas 
and other Mexican territories now part of the United States if they came into WWI 
on the side of the Germans.  It was intercepted by British intelligence and covertly 
supplied to the U.S. government.  It was used as the participating factor for the 
U.S. entry into WWI.

	At the time it was made public a cover story was put out that it was 
accidently left in a briefcase lost in the New York subway system.  It was a rather 
ridiculous position for the Germans to take for several obvious reasons and it is 
not even certain that it was not just some mid-level functionary going off the deep 
end.  It iks, however, generally recognized as authentic.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  FROM YOUR IMT:
  
>  
  
>  DR SEIDL: When the witness was heard here I had no opportunity to
>  cross-examine him, and for that reason ....
  
>  PRESIDENT: Why did you have no opportunity to cross examine him?
  
>  DR SEIDL: Because I did not know beforehand that he would be called by the
>  Prosecution as a witness and had no opportunity to speak to the Defendant
>  Frank about the questions which might have been put to the witness.
>  
>  [....]
>  
>  DR SEIDL: May I perhaps add something to this point?  The difficulty of cross
>  examination is just this, that we do not learn of the intended calling of a
>  witness by the Prosecution until the witness is led into the courtroom, and
>  we do not know the subject of the evidence until the Prosecution start to
>  examine the witness.
  
>  
  
>  Just like in any regular trial.
  
>  Source: IMT, VIII, p. 521

	Perhaps you would like to explain what is wrong with what you read 
here.  A lawyer has made an objection.  So what?  (Lurkers might note that Giwer 
has omitted both the repsonse of the prosecution and the ruling of the judge.  
You might ask why he did that.)

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Sep 23 13:02:52 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Pulling Hen's Teeth
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	There was a report on "All Things Considered" which interviewed several 
>  >  Germans who had been at the debate.  The gist of theri answers was that it 
was the 
>  >  first time they had been presented with a credible explanation of why people 
>  >  participated in the Holocaust rather than just the fact that it happened.  
Assuming 
>  >  that was true, I would attribute it to lousy teachers.

>  Were these German Jews or Germans?

	And then, of course, Giwer Redux will ask for birth certificates, dental 
records, and sworn affidavits from at least ten non-German witnesses.

	Others would have checked with "All Things Consdiered."  That would 
smack of research.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Sep 24 07:37:30 PDT 1996
Article: 68259 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  >>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
  
>  >>  >  	Sure.  First you give them water.
 
>  >>  The water with the corpses floating in it?
  
>  >	Gee, first you take the corpses out.
  
>  	And here an example of the lack of education of folks in pre-law.  You 
heard it
>  here folks all you have to do to make water polluted to rotting corpes is 
remove
>  the corpses and it is as pure as French designer water.  

	Since the British used the water and no-one was harmed by it; your 
statement that it wa polluted is ridciulous.


  
>  	Can anyone believe the complete ignorance of this holohugger?  

	Can anyone believe the utter dishonesty of the Giwer.  The Germans 
couldn't use the water bevause it was polluted.  A British army unit shows up and 
suddently the water is potable.  Apparently Giwer thinks that magicians were 
attached to British army units.

>  	You mean the British who connected the water station to one of their 
portable
>  generators?  

	No.  Thye just turned it on.


>  
>  	We have been over that.  Even a holohugger posted it.  The Brits lost 
40,000 to
>  disease in the first week of liberation.  

	Wrong again.  But then, no-one ever accused you of knowing what 
you wer talking about.

>  >	No attempt was made.  Kramer did not take even the most basic 
public 
>  >health precautions.
>  
>  	You mean like keeping rotting corpses out of the river?  Of course that 
does not
>  address all of the normal raw sewage in it.  Or do you think the German EPA 
had
>  imposed sewage treatment plants on the country?  

	Odd that it was suddenly potable when the British got there.

	--YFE	


From yawen@enter.net Tue Sep 24 07:37:31 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 21 Sep 1996 03:24:26 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Is this, then, your expanation of why you criminally harrassed me with 
>  >your obscene e-mail?  You opinion is that the vivtims of your crimes should not 
be 
>  >upset?
  
>  >	Thank you for the admission of your mens rea.
  
>  	Rather would you like to explain why you are spreading such malicious 
stories
>  about me?  

	Becasue they are true.  To review the bidding you sent me your usual 
anit-Semitic garbage in an e-mail.  You were asked, as you have been in the past, 
not to send me any e-mail.  Your entire response was:

	"I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."

	That communication, in itself, is criminal harrassment.

  
>  	Would you like to explain why you are sending false and malicious email 
to my
>  ISP?  

	Becasue every word of it was true.


>  	Would you like to explain why you only object when I reply to email you 
send to
>  me out of no where and for no cause?  

	That's a lie.  I have to original e-mail from you Matty poo.  You have 
sent me e-mail on at four other occasions.  I have asked you, each and every 
time, not to send me e-mail.  Netcom has copies of the e-mail you sent.  Now 
worldnet does as well.

	You are lying Matty poo.  And I am not the only one you have harrassed 
with e-mail.


  
>  	You are going over the edge on this one.  You must be taking your lead 
>from  AG.
>  But the last I heard attorneys were held to a higher standard than mere mortals.

	You went over the edge when you decided to violate the criminal laws 
and send your filthy anti-Semitic rhetoric to aperson who has repeatedly asked you 
not to.  The logs of netcom demonstrated that you sent it.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   Keith Morrison  writes:
>  Matt Giwer wrote:

>  > >## Mistakes happen in wars, whether you like it or not. They
>  > >## happen today, such as in the Gulf War, although the technology
>  > >## is far superior to 1967 technology.
 
>  > ># There was no war.
 
>  > >You heard it here, folks.
 
>  > >There was no Arab-Israeli war going on in June 8, 1967.
 
>  This from the same man who pontificated long and loud about there
>  being wars that were undeclared that were nonetheless wars when I
>  asked him who the US Constitution gave the sole power to make a
>  declaration of war.

	This is also from the same man who insisted that the American 
Revolution was going on when Washington was encamped at Valley Forge.

	--YFE	


From yawen@enter.net Tue Sep 24 07:37:32 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  	Get used to it.  The only way you holohuggers can have any effect is to 
harrass
>  and to lie to ISPs.  So get with the program and start libeling people like YFE
>  does.  

	E-mail from M. Giwer to me:

	"I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."

	According to Giwer complaining about such criminal harrasssment is 
libel.

	Truth, Matty poo, is not libel.

	And, Matty poo, when worldnet kicks you scruffy rear off their service, 
the next provider that it foolish enough to sell you access will get the same letter.

	If you don't like it, Matty poo, I'll be gald to forward you the addresses of 
the Clerk of Courts for the Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh Couny or the U.S. 
District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:

>  > > From: yawen@enter.net
>  > > To: webmaster@worldnet.att.net
>  > > cc: mgiwer@worldnet.att.net
 
>  > So, Mr. Giwer...
  
>  > are you finally ADMITTING that you're no longer at Netcom?
  
>  > Why do you continue to claim Netcom as your address? Too stupid to
>  > reconfigure your e-mail address?
  
>  It isn't stupidity. It is deliberate. He changed it to
>  mgiwer@worldnet.att.net and then changed it back (verification of this may
>  be seen at Deja News when doing a filtered search for
>  mgiwer@worldnett.att.net - that's how I found out exactly what his new
>  e-mail address is), although for what reason only an imbecile would know.

	The reason is a simple one.  It slows down complaints and remedies for 
his various crimes.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:
>  Matt  Giwer (mgiwer@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

>  : 	All what speeches and orders?  There were some four or five orders over four
>  : centuries.  The "crime" was bringing bad times on the local jurisdiction or even
>  : the empire for refusal to sacrifice to the patron dieties.  Those orders lasted
>  : for the duration of whatever set back was being suffered.  
  
>  In other words, Christians WERE persecuted by Romans, and your statement
>  above that they weren't is a lie.  Thanks, Matt.

	Nor, apparently, does he know when the battle of Milvian Bridge occurred.

	--YFE


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>   qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
>  In <32466883.17938682@news.srv.ualberta.ca> jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca 
(John Morris) writes:

>  ! So, Aryans got better ear wax?
  
>  Yes.

	But their belly button lint is definitely inferior.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:

>  Like I said, check out the Tulsa World article, check out the analysis by
>  Laird Wilcox in Crying Wolf, check out the ADL's own study Anti-Semitism in 
>  America [sic].

	I checked out the Tulsa World.  They said that if they carried such a 
story it was a wire feed.  There was no such wire feed.  Wilcox is not the ADL.  
The ADL is reports on anti-Semitism on a yearly basis.  I have all the reports from 
the 1990's and there is not such statement in any of them.

	You were lying.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
>  In article <523t9s$5mc@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" 
writes:
>  
>  > >  I know Kramer was innocent.
>  > 
>  >         Sure,  Talk to Lyin' Al.  He'll tell you that he knows Al Capone was 
>  > innocent.
>  
>  I never said Kramer was innocent. 

	blackmore did.  See his quote that you posted.  I just pointed out that it is 
about as silly as your claims about Capone.



>As I've said before Edeiken, for a lawyer
>  you are as thick as pigshit. You yap on and on about "Deniers" being apologists
>  for Nazism; what we're heading towards now is worse than Nazism, that was the
>  point of my "tribute" to Al Capone.

	You *are* an apologist for Hitler and his gang.



> You've now got a situation in the US where
>  people can have their assets seized merely on suspicion. Did that happen in
>  Nazi Germany?

	This is incorrect.  That has been pointed out to several times.  The 
confiscation laws specifically protect "innocent" owners or co-owners of property 
and place the onus on the government to prove both the ownership and the 
connection to criminal activity.  (You never bothered to find out about Shorty's 
Cafe, did you?)  The people you quoted were hysterical cranks who had no notion 
of what they were talking about.  When they were talking to you, they were in good 
company.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 23 Sep 1996 03:41:21 GMT, libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c 
anderson)
>  wrote:

	Matty poo first makes a clear statement:
  
>  >Matt  Giwer (mgiwer@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>  >: On 22 Sep 1996 17:14:25 +0100, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:
 
>  >: >	So are you an anti-Semite?
 
>  >: 	I have never made a statement on the subject.  Is that too hard    
>  >: for you to understand?  Yet the holohuggers here will spread the lie 
>  >: that I have.   
>  >: 	Plain facts.  I have made no statement and they have lied about it.  


	Then contradicts himself:
  
>  >Matt, if you are an antisemite, then how could calling you one be a
>  >"blood libel"?
  
>  	It can only be libel if untrue.  Is that too hard for you to understand?  

	Who will win this trenchant debate?

	When will he start calling himself names?

	When will he claim that the exchage was forged by the Jews?

	How many cups of coffee were converted into a colloidal vapor 
becasue Matty poo did not have the courtesy to warn us that he was going to 
attempt to top his "Israelis don't speak Hebrew" statement?

	--YFE	


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>   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
>  In article , 
>  schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
  
>  [a complete moron said]
  
>  "...the Talmud is always undergoing rewrites."

>  >Moron, this is truly one of the dumbest things you've EVER said.
  
>  I must protest! This particular moron has said things that
>  were _far_ dumber than this! (Hey! He's a "revisionist
>  scholar," isn't he?)

	Of course, the Moron did not say who was doing the rewriting.  Now 
since there are quotes from "The Talmud" that appear on various web pages 
that cannot be found in the editions of the Talmud that I have seen someone 
must be rewriting it.  It should also be noted that for an extended period the 
Catholic church attempted to destroy the Talmud.  Although this frequently meant 
physically destroying the books, it also took the form of rewriting or deleting 
passages that the Church did not like.  It could weel be that Moran is is referring 
to this form of vandalism nad, as usual, just refers to "the Jews" in the same 
dishonest manner that he did when he converted the KKKK to a "Jewish group" 
or referred to the Catholic priests in charge of the Dead Sea Scrolls as "the 
Jews."

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  	At least you agree the IDF attack on the Liberty was a deliberate 
attack upon a
>  US ship.   

	Where and when, Matty poo.  Please demonstate a single word I 
have ever written about the Liberty incident.

	Do that or come back and tell us all that you lied again.

	You keep threatening law suits, Matty poo.  Someday you might be 
drunk enough to actually do something.  Remember that the judge will be very 
unhappy when he catches you lying.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: What is a "goyim"
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 22 Sep 1996 18:14:50 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>  On 21 Sep 1996 20:36:32 +0100, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:
  
>  >>  >mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  >>  >>	That point is that yid-speak has been so used by the eastern 
european

>  >>  >	For someone who claims not to be an antisemite, you are inordinately
>  >>  >fond of the word "yid".
  
>  >>  	I have no idea who started the rumor that I have ever made any such 
>  >statement.
>  >>  Probably someone who lies to protect israeli murderers.  
>  
>  >	Liar.  You have stated that calling you an anti-Semite is "libel."  In 
fact 
>  >you called it a "blood libel."

  	It can only be libel if untrue.  This is not Canada, sheepskin-for-brains. 
 

	Nor is it Oz, your natural habitat.  If "It can only be a libelif untrue."  
The someone "who started the rumor" seems to have been you.

	That having been established the correct reading of your sentence 
should have been: "Probably someone who lies."  In that case, it would have 
been correct.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: BEHOLD THE LIE
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  		Behold the lie, tell your friends.

	Nope.  I'll tell everyone here.  T. Moran is the liar.

	After a long and dishonest opening statement which he knows is not 
true, T. Moran posts a number of sources which he claims represent a sample of 
what a person going to the library will find.  Note that none of them are 
quotations.  For those who wonder why, the expanations is a simple one.  Moran 
is lying.  Samples:

  	
>    
>     Yehuda Bauer's _A History of the Holocaust_ (c. 1982) lists the
>     Auschwitz death toll as between 1.5 and 3.5 million Jews

	Notice that there is no quote.  Why?  Bauer is citing what others have 
said.  His own estimate in this book is favors the low number.


>  	
>     Poliakov's _Harvest of Hate_ (c. 1956) lists the total Auschwitz 
>     dead at about 2,300,000.

	Wrong again.  Poliakov reports this as Hoess' statement and describes 
it as an exaggeration.
>  
>     Encyclopedia Judaica, Jerusalem: Keter Publishing House, 1974.  p
>     855.  1,000,000 to 2,500,000


	This is not correct.  The Encyclopadia Judaica state that estimates 
range for 1,000,000 to 2,500,000 but that the lower estimate is probably correct.
     
>     Brestrafung der Verbrecher von Auschwitz, in _Auschwitz:
>     Geschichte und Wirklichkeit des Vernichtungslagers_.  Reinbek bei
>     Hamburg: Rowolt, 1980, 211.  2,500,000 to 4,000,000

	I checked with three libraries Lehigh university, the Free Library of 
Philadelphia and University of Pennsylvania.  None had this book.  Perhaps 
Moran will inform of the library in which he found it.

>  
>     Czech, D.  "Konzentrationslager Auschwitz: Abriss der Geschichte,"
>     in _Auschwitz: Geschichte und Wirklichkeit des
>     Konzentrationslagers_.  Reinbek bei Hamburg: Rowolt, 1980, 42.
>     2,500,000 to 4,000,000


	Ditto.  

>     Dunin-Wasowicz, Krzysztof.  _Resistance in the Nazi concentration
>     camps, 1933-1945_.  Warsaw: PWN-Polish Scientific Publishers, 1982,
>     44. 	2,500,000 to 4,000,000

	The complaint has been that the Polish government inflated the 
number of Poles murdered at Auschwitz and downplay the number of Jews that 
were murdered..  Moran knows this -- he frequently quotes a book in which it is 
explained --  but now uses that fraudulent Polish number and ATTRIBUTES IT 
TO THE JEWS!!!!  The anti-Semite who once identified the KKKK as a "Jewish 
group" and a collection of Catholic priests as "the Jews" strikes again.

  
>     Madajczyk, Czeslaw.  _Polityka III Rzeszy w okupowanej Polsce;
>     okupacja Polski, 1939-1945_.  Warsaw: Panstwowe Wydawn Naukowe,
>     1970, 293-94.  2,800,000 to 4,000,000

	Ditto.  A repeat offender.
  
>     _Obozy hitlerowskie na ziemiach polskich 1939-1945: informator
>     encyklopedyczny_.  Warsaw: Panst.  Wydaw.  Naukowe DSP, 1979, 369.
>     2,500,000 to 4,000,000

	Three strikes.  He's out.

>         	     Behold the Lie - Ask Your Friends

	I have.  They think you are an anti-Semite with no respect for the truth. 

	Ask your daughter-in-law, she'll be glad to confirm it.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Sep 25 01:57:36 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 22 Sep 1996 18:07:47 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
  
>  >>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
  
>  >>  Why don't you just comment on the quotes?  A little bit embarrassing?
  
>  >	No, they are meaningless.  Giwer presents the fact that certain 
>  >defense attorneys made certain objections.  He does not note the response of 
>  >the prosecutors; he does not print the decision of the court.  They are a giant 
>  >"So what?"
  
>  >	Giwer claims that a present day appeals court would reverse on the 
>  >basis of what he printed.  He is wrong.  A modern appeals court would not 
even 
>  >*consider* his arguments.  Indeed, if he quoted them for any purpose other 
than 
>  >to demonstrate preservation of the issue, he would be escorted from the 
>  >court-room.  If he persisted in his line of argument with some very specific 
>  >instructions as to how his contempt can be purged.  I have seen it happen.
  
>  	Thus spake the attorney who libels people and thanks for your number. 
 I do
>  expect the response to be "who?"

	Thank you for agreeing that your quote was meaningless.

	But here's the message that Matty poo sent to me and my family:

	"I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."

	And not one of his nazi pals has commented.

	--YFE	


From yawen@enter.net Wed Sep 25 07:38:34 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Autopsy reports of gassing where there were no gas chambers
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

  
>  	Not only is does the subject make the claim that there are autopsy 
reports it is
>  clear that by the timing events that even if there had at one time been a gas
>  chamber there, liberation came much too late to autopsy the bodies.  

	No the claim is that there was a medical report issued by Dr. Larson 
based on his autopsies and chemical testing done at a laboratory in Paris.


  
>  	Beyond that YFE is claiming to have the document that contains them 
in what
>  comes PRIOR to what has been posted here.  

>  	It is simply a matter of calling his bluff.  The man is lying about it.  

	Had you been paying attention, this matter came up previously.  One 
of your denier pals (Marc LeMire) was claiming that Larson performed over 100 
autopsies per day and additionally did a visual on 300 bodies *on a daily basis* 
and found no cases where cyanide was the cause of death.  As part of his claim 
LeMire insisted this output was possible because the lab samples were sent to 
Paris and Larson did not have to worry about them.

	At that time I looked up Larson's report.

	Unlike you I do my research.  The citations might well be in Nizkor.

	Look them up.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Sep 25 10:21:36 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer the Ignorant
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 22 Sep 1996 19:47:10 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	You are lying.  No one ever said that.  What they said was that not all 
>  >of them still exist.  Many do.  So do the bills presented by the German raliway 
>  >system for the transportation.  Examples of both are on display at the Holocaust 
>  >Museum of Houston.
  
>  	Pay attention to the thread.  That is what was said.

	Then you should have no trouble placing some material between 
quotation marks and attaching a name to that quotation.  You won't, of course.

  
>  	However, if it is your contention that not all of them EVER existed then 
upon
>  what basis do you claim they ever existed much less the numbers on them?


	I would answer this question but it makes no sense in English.  I told you 
where such documents are on public display.

  
>  	If you are claiming they at one time existed but do not now, who do you 
supposed
>  destroyed them and why?  If your answer is the Nazis destroyed them, then 
upon
>  what basis was a total number created?  

	Who knows?  Who cares?  The issue (you are attempting to change the 
subject again) is whether exisiting bills of lading and invoices show more Jews were 
delievered to Auschwitz than can be found in the registration books.  Those that 
exist prove that this is the case.

>  
>  	Rather I can do arithmetic.  We have been over this.  The IMT declared 
6
>  million.  Every writer has declared between 5 and 6 million.  Auschwitz lost 3
>  million.  They had to go some place.  
 
	Three million what.  The old denier's trick surfaces again.  The number 
murdered waas not computed by determining which were murdred and why.  *All* 
of the research used the opposite approach.  They determined how many were 
murdered and then tried to discover how.  Second, the claim of 4,000,000 
murdered at Auschwitz was never a claim that 4,000,000 *Jews* were murdered at 
Auschwitz.

	You ability to do arithmetic is secondary to your lying about what 
numbers you are manipulating.

	But you know that.
 >  
>  	Excuse me.  That means and average of only 180 prisoners per camp.  I 
did not
>  realize it was so low.  I will be happy to quote your beliefs.  Or is averaging
>  beyond you also.  (That was rhetorical.)  

	Is telling the truth beyond you.  (That is rhetorical, as well)  You posit a 
phony number and then attempt to justify on the grounds that you are "just doing 
arthmetic."  SInce the numbers are of your own invention, your numeric 
manipulations are meaningless.

>  	When the lurkers understand what I write clearly, the revisionists 
understand
>  what I write clearly, then it is equally clear that only holohuggers are so
>  deficient in literacy and reason as to have a problem with what I write.  

	Sure, Matty poo.  Whatis clear from your jumbled and illiterate prose is 
that you are inventing your numbers.

>  	You were doing better when you were merely libeling me to AT&T and to 
your
>  service provider.  

	How many times do you have to be told, Matty poo.  Telling the truth is 
not "libel."

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Consider the holohugger
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 23 Sep 1996 20:44:22 GMT, libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c 
anderson)
>  wrote:

>  >Uh-huh.  That's a fascinating observation, Matt.  Say, do you intend
/>  >ever to explain the following assertions which you've recently posted
>  >on alt.revisionism?  Each and every one of the assertions, you see, 
>  >is wrong; I'm sure the lurkers would like to know why you made them:
  
	[a minor sampling of Giwer's lies snipped]


>  >How about it, Matt?  Any explanation?

	Your answer is "no" Bill but then Giwer compounds his felonies by 
presenting proof of another of his lies:


>  	I wonder if the ten hour ventilation time has anything to do with the
>  long promised Degesh pub not showing up before.  

>  Source: Zyklon for Pest Control, Degesch Publication 
>  Ventilation
>  
>  During this operation gas-masks must be worn. The ventilation takes
>  place in the reverse
>  direction to the gassing. All windows near the entrance are opened
>  first, then gradually those in
>  the rest of the building. It is advisable to work only for 10 to 15
>  minutes at a time and then to make
>  interruptions of half an hour, as a precaution against skin poisoning.



  
>  Depending on concentration, outdoor tempature and weather conditions,
>  ventilation will take at
>  least 10 hours. Clearing of tins and residues may be commenced before
>  the end of airing.
>  Windows and doors must remain open, and gas-masks kept available. 
ZYKLON
>  tins and
>  absorbent material must always be collected and cleared away before the
>  resumption of work.
  




>  Source: Zyklon for Pest Control, Degesch Publication 

	Of course, Giwer has repeatedly claimed that ZB was used to kill flies 
in morgues.

	Perhaps he will explain how?  Or perhaps he will fianlly admit that he 
makes up whatever lie will serve him at the particular moment?

	--YFE


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Subject: Re: Consider the holohugger
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

  
>  	I wonder if the ten hour ventilation time has anything to do with the
>  long promised Degesh pub not showing up before.  
  
>  Source: Zyklon for Pest Control, Degesch Publication 
>  persons from entering. Time of exposure depends on the type of pests to
>  be attacked; for the
>  destruction of the various types of moths and their pre-adult stages 24
>  hours will suffice, against
>  other kinds of insect pests one should fumigate for 48 hours. If there
>  are any dense stowages or
>  bulkss of commodities to penetrate, the time of exposure may need to be
>  extended to 72 hours. 

	Sounds like the perfect material to kill flies in an environment where 
people work.  Giwer has claimed that is the use to which ZB was put.  Anybody 
with the least bit of knowledge knows that to prevent maggots you must 
disinfect twice a day.  Since each disinfection would take 48-72 hours that 
would mean . . . . . . . 

	Tell us, Matty poo, how many hours are in a day?

	--YFE 


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>   John Galt  writes:

  
>  I've noticed that Jewish folks use the work 'goyim' to refer to those of
>  us who aren't Jews.  Would you please be so kind as to explain to me and
>  the other non-Hebrew speaking members of this NG what the literal
>  meaning of the word 'goyim' is?
  
>  I would appreciate it very much. 

	You are dealing with two languages Hebrew and Yiddish.  In Hebrew 
the word "goyim" means, simply "nations."  That would have included the 
various Hebrew states.  I believe that when Abraham left Ur the word used in 
Genesis was "ad'goyim" i.e. he went out into the "world."

	In Yiddish -- about 1/3 of the words in Yiddish are derived from Hebrew 
-- the word "goy" has come to mean "non-Jew."  The pural is "goyim" meaning, 
collectively, those who are not Jewish.  While the word "goy" is a simple 
descriptive, it can also be used used perjoratively as well. (examples: "He's a 
dumb goy."; "What can you expect from a goy.")  I, personally, have never 
heard the plural used except as a descriptive.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

  
>  	Saying is one thing, action is another. Boasting words are
>  boasting words only. The real substance can be determined in other
>  ways. You are a liberal user of the term "anti-Semitism". The term
>  "anti-Semitism" applied and not defended.  

	In your case Moran the offer was made.  I have on more occasions than 
you can count offered to charge you with anti-Semitism before an impartial body 
and prove those charges.  There were a few neccessary conditions attached to 
that offer to set ground rules and the final condition: that the loser pay for the 
process.

	You have refused to even answer that acceptance of your challenge.



>  	The term "Anti-Semitism" as used for the most part, is only a
>  weapon. It is not an answer, it is not a reply, it is not asking for
>  clarification or asking for proof. The term "anti-Semitism" is
>  intended to stop all that. 

	In you case the term is descriptive and accurate.  You are an 
anti-Semite.  The intention is taxonomic.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  	You are changing the issue.  The issue is not whether he read "each 
>  >  and every issue" but whether he read the mag.  He did.
  
>  So did others.  What does this prove?

	That he read Der Stuermer.  That was the issue.


>  >  	He commented on it openly to several people.
  
>  Hearsay.

	Nope.  it's direct testimony for the fact that he read it.
>  No.  You are in error.  For whatever reasons, Hitler prohibited Streicher from
>  making any public speeches from 1940 through the duration of the war.  If 
>  Streicher's offenses were mundane, as you say, then perhaps it was 
unnececessary
>  to actually incarcerate him.

	It was for financial crimes.


>  to why it wasn't.  There is no proof that Hilter continued to read the 
publication,
>   aside from hearsay, and even less proof that, if he did, it exerted any 
influence on him.

	Wrong again.  Eyewitness testimony is *not* hearsay.  Please learn 
the difference.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Sep 26 07:47:21 PDT 1996
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

  
>  >	No the claim is that there was a medical report issued by Dr. Larson 
>  >based on his autopsies and chemical testing done at a laboratory in Paris.
  
>  	It is good to see you are now retracting your claim that there were 
autopsy
>  reports in the document of which the summary was posted.  Of course there 
are no
>  such autopsy reports in the document despite your claim.  And you claim to 
have
>  the document right in front of you.  

	I have never made such a claim, I therefore do not retract.  The report 
*is* a report of the autopisies he performed.

  
>  	Can't afford a scanner?  Mail xeroxes to me and I will post them.  
Consider your
>  bluff called.  

	Look up the URL that Van Altstine gave you.

	--YFE




From yawen@enter.net Thu Sep 26 07:47:22 PDT 1996
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  >	Since the British used the water and no-one was harmed by it; your 
>  >statement that it wa polluted is ridciulous.
  
>  	Back to cases.  If corpses are rotting in the water, our brilliant 
counselor
>  says, take out the bodies and the water is pure.  What next, counselor?  Sip
>  around the turds and be safe?  
  
>  	Hey, genius!  Tell us more.  

	Frankly the "pollution" seems to be an invention of the revisionists.  
The fact is that the water was used and there were no ill-effects.  You can bluster 
and lie and misrepresent the facts all you wish.  That does not change what 
happened.  The British arrived, connected the pumps that were already in place 
and supplied water to the those in the camps.

	Please note as well that Dachua was established in 1933.  The water 
source was never changed.  If there were corpses in the water supply it was 
bcause your nazi pals put them there.  If raw sewage was diverted into the water 
supply it was because your nazi heros did so.

	The evidence is fairly clear, however, that these are figments of your 
imagination.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Sep 26 07:47:23 PDT 1996
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>   schwartz@infinet.com writes:

  
>  > >When people discuss their "roots," I often explain to them that I can
>  > >trace mine back to a pit in the town of Stolin. That's where my family
>  > >history is.
> 
>  That's interesting, Mr. Giwer, considering that members of my family have
>  BEEN TO and SEEN the pit where my relatives died. I have seen the
> photographs.
   
>  What you fail to see, Mr. Giwer, is thatn when your ancectors died, their
>  possessions remained intact. They were placed in graves with gravestones.
>  You can go look at the graves, you can touch the letters, photographs, and
>  other memorabilia that belonged to them.
   
>  That is not possible for me, since everything belonging to the Jews of
>  Stolin was destroyed.
   
>  You may not believe in the Holocaust, Mr. Giwer, which just shows you're
>  stupid. But to tell me that my family was not killed, when the evidence
>  clearly exists in the town of Stolin, in the pit on the edge of town, in
>  the histories recorded in Yad Vashem; that just means you're either
>  delusional or stupid.
   
>  Or both.

	As a further note geneological research in the former Soviet Union can 
be very difficult.  Many gravestones in Jewish cemetaries did not have family 
names.  Moreover the Soviets made an attempt to destroy many of the older 
cemetaries both Jewish and non-Jewish.  In Lithuania headstones from both the 
Catholic and Jewish cemetaries were removed, broken up, and used as paving 
blocks.

	--YFE


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Subject: Re: Morris can't even quote Bacon correctly.[ according to Collins].....
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
 
  
>  	Okay you guys of the General Editors and Advisory Board of the
>  new Oxford Francis Bacon, get a load of this one by your Assistant
>  Editor.

	I am sure they would be happy with it.  Unlike you, they probably 
recognize decent schlorship.

  
>    PS   Did you see the one where he hammers on Mr.Bacon's history?

	I would hazard a guess that all of them have read Catherine Dirnker 
Bowen's "The Lion and the Throne" and have few illusions about the political 
activities of the man they are studying.  Bacon was chancellor of the Star 
Chamber.  I suggest you you up "Star Chamber"  or "Star Chamber justice" in 
any good dictionary.  As Black's Law Dictionary notes:  "In the reign of Henry 
VIII and his successors, the jurisdiction of the court was illegally extended to 
such a degree (especially in punishing disobedience to the king's arbitrary 
procalmations) that it bacame odious to the nation, and was abolished."


  
>  >jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:

>  >   highfalutin, -ing (haIf&schwa.'lu:tIn), sb. and a. orig. U.S.
>  >   slang. Also -ten, hifalutin. [f. HIGH a.: the origin of the second
>  >   element is unknown; it was perh. a whimsical pronunciation of
>  >   fluting, or a grandiose equivalent of flying or flown.]
>  >       A sb.  Absurdly pompous speech or writing; bombast.
>  >       [...]
>  >       B adj.  Absurdly pompous or bombastic in style.
>  >                    --from the online OED2

>  >The OED2 gives 1839 as its earliest historical reference, but I am
>  >*sure* I saw it used in Chaucer. Maybe it was Lydgate. Something
>  >Middle English anyway.

>  >At any rate, I still hold the position in question. What I "went off
>  >to a couple of months ago" was a research trip connected with the
>  >position in question. I have been involved in the same research
>  >project for over five years.

>  >What I also got a couple of months ago was a shiny new job title. I
>  >confess that my pleasure about it caused me to describe it in somewhat
>  >highfalutin terms.

>  >Mr. Moran has simply misremembered the circumstances. And thus much
>  >for Mr. Moran's powers of memory, to use the Baconian idiom.

	No John.  He lied.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: 4,000,000 less 3,000,000 still leaves 6,000,000
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:

>  >Deniers have been claiming recently that the Soviet figure was the
>  >figure presented at the International Military Tribunal hearings at
>  >Nuremberg. Matt Giwer in particular has repeatedly made this claim
>  >while neglecting to provide a reference for his claim.

>  >The truth of the matter is that the figure entered into evidence at
>  >Nuremberg was four million, but four million for all concentration
>  >camps of all kinds. In addition, this figure was not provided by the
>  >Soviets, as deniers claim, but by the United States based upon
>  >documents it had collected:
  
>  	After Mr.Morris claims the figure was never entered at Nuremberg,
>  he goes off to expound on statements from sources that make no
>  reference to any Nuremberg to show it wasn't.

	Poor l'il tommy.  He is ignorant.  That, in itself, is not a problem but poor l'il 
tommy chooses to make public pronouncements on the matters of which he is 
ignorant.  In this case he apaprently did not recognize that the "statements from 
sources that make no reference to any Nuremberg"  were, in fact, citations from the 
IMT records.

	Back to the drawing board, l'il tommy.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

  
>  	If the average age was 50 and given the average life expectancy in the 
60 to 65
>  range (it was 63 average in the US in that time frame, 61 for men), that is an
>  extremely high survival rate over seven years.  

>  	You are so blinded by your traitorous, jew hatred that fall on your sword 
over
>  elementary population distributions.  Undergraduate stuff.  I forgot, computer
>  science.  You would not know anything about this sort of thing.  It is too hard
>  for CS types.  

	Actually you are, once more, showing your ignorance of basic science.  
Life expectancy is *not* computed based on total life expectancy (as you did) but 
the life expectancy of the cohort.  In the 1930's the life expectancy for a *newborn* 
might well have been 61; the life expectancy for a 50 year old man was higher.

	Please learn some basic demographics.  This is as bad as when you 
described distributions of 3-0 and 283-5 as being within normal demographic limits.

	--YFE 


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
>  In article <527fj2$1ma@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" 
writes:
>  >         I checked out the Tulsa World.  They said that if they carried such a 
>  > story it was a wire feed.  There was no such wire feed.  Wilcox is not the ADL.
  
>  It could be that someone sent me a forged copy of the Tulsa World article, or 
>  it could be that you're lying. Occam's Razor says the latter. By the way,
>  what does the ADL say about anti-Semitism in America, in your humble opinion?

	If so, then the wire source was printed with the article?  What was it 
Lyin' Al?  You have pulled this line before.  Specifically when you were caught 
lying about Christine Jeffries you claimed a source which never mentioned the 
incident you reported.  The fact that the only publication of a article you can cite is 
a newspaper which does not carry original articles on national news is fairly 
indicative of your honesty.

	Why don't you read their reports Lyin' Al?  They are much more 
informative than retellings.

	By the way, I take it this is -- at long last -- an admission that you cannot 
point to a statement from the ADL stating that 20% of Americans are anti-Semites.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Tom Moran Can't read (again!) (Was Re: Holocaust Specifications For "Proof")
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>   libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:
>  Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) wrote:
>  : In article , mvanalst@rbi.com 
(Mark Van Alstine) wrote:
>  : >In article <52a01t$evm@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, 
kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
>  : >(Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>  : >
>  : >> In article <3248688F.920@unb.ca>, Keith Morrison  wrote:
>  : >> 
>  : >> >Richard Schultz wrote:
>  : >> >> Keith "It's a man's life posting to Usenet" Morrison (t08o@unb.ca) wrote:
>  : >> >> : No!  Not another Python cascade!  The horror!
>  : >> >> You're no fun anymore!
>  : >> >Yes I am.
>  : >> No you're not.
>  : >Yes he is
>  : No he isn't
>  Oh, look, this is ridiculous

	No. "Ridiculous" is next door where Moran is posting.

	--YFE



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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  	I said about 1 in a 100 speak it.  Now you are talking about reading it.  
Want
>  to go for idiot of year?  

	Matty poo is already starting to backtrack.  We now have a new claim 
as Matty poo tries to extricate himself.  Now he is apparently saying that Israelis 
use this "dead language" for their written communications, street signs, etc. but 
do not bother to speak it.

	Of course, Matty poo has yet to think up his explanation for why street 
signs in Israel are in Hebrew and the laws of Israel are in Hebrew.  He claimed 
that they were not.

	It would be hard for anyone to "go for idiot of the year" when Matty 
poo is around.  He has the title locked up.

	--YFE	



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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 24 Sep 1996 02:21:21 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

  
>  >	Becasue they are true.  To review the bidding you sent me your usual 
>  >anit-Semitic garbage in an e-mail.  You were asked, as you have been in the 
past, 
>  >not to send me any e-mail.  Your entire response was:
  
>  >	"I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."
  
>  >	That communication, in itself, is criminal harrassment.
  
>  	Responses to your email can not be considered harrassment while the 
email you
>  initiated can be.  

	Garbage.  You e-mailed me anit-Semitic material.  You were asked to 
stop.  Not only is that not harrassment but it was at the direction of your ISP after 
their logs demonstrated that you had sent it to me.  Your response to a request 
not send me e-mail is quoted in full above.
	
  
>  	To keep your lies straight.  I have never initiated email to you yet you 
hae to
>  me and done so many times all with the same pretention that I started it.  
  
>  	Thus you went over the line in your libel.

	Garbage.  I have all of your e-mails.  You have sent me e-mail on at 
least five different occasions. 
    
  
>  	Only a jew can justify deliberate lies as easily as you do. 

	Anytime you want to make a court case, be my guest.

>  >	That's a lie.  I have to original e-mail from you Matty poo.  You have 
>  >sent me e-mail on at four other occasions.  I have asked you, each and every 
>  >time, not to send me e-mail.  Netcom has copies of the e-mail you sent.  Now 
>  >worldnet does as well.
>  
>  >	You are lying Matty poo.  And I am not the only one you have 
harrassed 
>  >with e-mail.
>  
>  	It is interesting that what you copied to me supports the position that 
are
>  lying.  And again, more unsolicited email from you in sending me those copies
>  which does indicate you are the initiator of it all.  

	Those were ccs sent at the direction of you ISP.  You know it.

    
>  >	You went over the edge when you decided to violate the criminal laws 
>  >and send your filthy anti-Semitic rhetoric to aperson who has repeatedly 
asked you 
>  >not to.  The logs of netcom demonstrated that you sent it.
  
>  	Criminal?  Did I hear criminal?  Hey man!  When does the FBI come 
around to talk
>  to me?  When do I get arrested?  How many times is "criminal" going to be
>  mentioned here?  

	You are a liar and a criminal.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

>  >  
>  >  Yours sir.  In every other case, you demand bang-on proof.  But when it comes
>  >  to your own argument, you will accept anything.  The books mentioned above
>  >  don't even deal with the treatment of Hoess, let alone prove his testimony was
>  >  invalid or obtained under torture.  Thus, it is _you_ who employs the double
>  >  standard.

>  Mr. McFee, do you even know what you are talking about here.  i have already 
referred
>  you and a half-dozen others to the proof.  But, no matter-I will deal with this soon.....

	No.  You have, in fact, stated your statements were based on "reasonable 
suspicions."

	--YFE


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>   mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes:

  
>  Indeed. Telford Taylor, for instance, disagreed with Streicher's sentence.
>  However, I think Taylor's opinion was too colored by legalism at the
>  expense of the moral dimension. Taylor- rightly, I might add -was very
>  concerned about the  the legal dimensions of the Nuremberg trials.
>  However, once the _procedural_ events of the trials concluded, and the
>  Tribunal needed to make decisions on guilt ot innocence, the _moral_
>  dimension came into play as well. That, after all, is what a judge must
>  do- reconcile the legal and moral dimensions to serve Justice.  

	Taylor was an outstanding lawyer (he was involved in the Miranda 
case, for example) and looked at the Nuremberg trial from that perspective.  It 
was clear to me that he was not happy with the case against Streicher.  While he 
does not come out directly and make the statement, he strongly implies that 
Streicher was convicted as much because he was stupid as becasue he was 
evil.  Technically there is not much hope for a defendant who starts his testimony 
with an attack on his own lawyer.  When I read a transcript of Streicher's 
testimony, I was bothered that his lawyer did not attempt to withdraw.  In a similar 
situation I could not see how I could give effective representation under those 
circumstances.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Sep 26 14:44:30 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  You have already received the answer, yet you pretend that you did not.
>  The British supplied water to the camp by piping it in from the river running
>  near the camp.  The river which Kramer thought was polluted.

	No, the river which was not polluted which *you* state Kramer 
thought was polluted.  Where is your evidence for this?

	--YFE


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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  Do you know anything about the treatment of severe dysentery and 
gastro-enteritis?
>  The treatment is NOT to give food.  In fact, when food was given to some of 
these
>  unfortunates by the British, they died.  Next time, think before you ask a question, 
or
>  at least take the time to research it.  

	Answer:  rblackmore has evidently not researched it.  The modern 
treatment is nutrition and intenstive fluid replacement.  Kramer provided neither.  He 
cut off the water.  Medially speaking that was certain to kill those suffering from 
dystentery.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  The water in the camp was NOT potable-with or without the British.  Now, I 
read
>  that they brought potable generators with them.  So, in order to reach the truth,
>  please post exactly HOW the British supplied water directly from the river 
without
>  first treating it?

	That is nonsense.  People drank it.  They did not suffer.  Ergo it was 
potable.  The British supplies the water by turning on the pumps.  Since the 
"pollution" is a figment of your imagination it was a relatively easy process.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Get your FREE copy today!
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 25 Sep 1996 20:24:25 GMT, libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c 
anderson)

  
>  >So now you're netcopping for the National Alliance, Matt?

>  	I report simple theft of intellectual property that is in violation of US and
>  international law regarding protection of intellectual property.  
  
>  	Do you have a problem with that?  If so, why?  

	What some people wonder about is why a criminal like you should 
care.

	--YFE

	Here's Giwer's response to a request that he cease and desist from 
sending me e-mail:

	"I'm tired of your shit. Fuck off."

	To make his point perfectly clear, two days later Giwer sent me an 
e-mail version of his anti-Semitic doggerel.

	As a result of this and other violations of his contract for 
services, Giwer's account at netcom.com was suspended.


From yawen@enter.net Fri Sep 27 08:57:29 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Giwer Still Won't Admit His Nonsense
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 25 Sep 1996 20:21:42 GMT, libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson)
>  wrote:
.  
>  
>  >Actually, you said it was a dead language.
>  
>  	I said it was dead 2000 years ago.

	And you then stated it is dead today.


 > I did not address the fanatical zionists
>  reviving it as a matter of religious inclination about 100 years ago.  It is
>  still not more than a matter of religious fanaticism.  

	No.  It is the national language of Israel.  Somehting you have denied.  
Specifically you have stated that street signs in Israel are not in Hebrew, trials do not 
take place in Hebrew, speeches in the Knesset are not made in Hebrew and laws are 
not promugated in Hebrew.  In all cases you were wrong.
  
>  	No one knowing anything about linguistics can pretend that it is anything 
other
>  than a faked form of the language.

	Since people speak in Hebrew and write in Hebrew, the fake is you.

	You are a loon.

	--YFE

	Giwer's civilized response to a request that he send no more e-mail:  "I am 
tired on your shit.  Fuck off."  Two days later he sent e-mail containing his 
usual anti-Semitic vitriol. 


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  >yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >>	You keep threatening law suits, Matty poo.  Someday you might be 
>  >>drunk enough to actually do something.  Remember that the judge will be 
very 
>  >>unhappy when he catches you lying.
  
>  >	Assuming Matt doesn't recieve contempt of court for insulting the
>  >judge...

>  	It is not the business of a judge to catch anyone in lying else he would 
doing
>  the job of the attorneys.  But you still believe YFE is an attorney.  

	So apparently does the Attorney Registration Board.  They took my 
money ans issued me a license,  It's number 40290.

	But. of course, Matyt poo if you do not believe it, call up the Supreme 
Court of Pennsylvania and complain.

	But you won't another crime to rap sheet will you.

	--YFE

	M. Giwer response to a request to stop harassing me with obscene 
e-mail: "I'm tired of your shit.  Fuck off."


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Priests Murdered in Dachau
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

  
>  	Now that you are on the right track, what was the average life 
expectancy of the
>  cohort in the camp?  If you can not answer that, you can not determine the
>  expected number of deaths.  Nor can it be determined if the number of deaths 
is
>  out of line with that expectation.  


	The average life expectancy for an American male aged 50 in 1939-41 
was 25.52 years.  Yes, the figures for deaths are way out of line.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Sep 27 15:17:47 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: unsolicited email
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  	What happens is that every month or so, out of nowhere, YFE sends me email
>  complaining that I have sent him unsolicited email.  (Lately he has taken to
>  claiming that is is also anti-semitic and obscene but he is getting rather
>  hysterical.)  He also demands that I stop sending him email.

	That is because you sent me e-mail.  At least one e-mail you sent contains 
your anti-Semitic doggeral.  Your reply to my request that you not send me e-mail was "I 
am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."  That is obscene.  Two days after you sent that e-mail 
you did so again.  That is criminal harrassment.
  
>  	I respond by informing him that I have never initiated any email to him.  
 
	In other words you respond with a lie.  I have the e-mail Matty poo.

 	
>  	Then he complains that my response to his unsolicited and causeless email is
>  unsolicited email and that he uses as the basis for his libelous complaints.
>  One would think that an attorney would know better than to do something as
>  obvious as that.  

	The response to my request to stop was the message "I am tired of your shit.  
Fuck off."  followed by another e-mail.

	If you think I can't produce them, Matty poo, sue me.

	In the meantime you engaged in  harrassment.  You are a criminal.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: holohuggers are thieves
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>   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>  In article <52fm9u$efp@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>  mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) wrote:
>  
>  > In case anyone missed it, the violation of my copyright by Nizkor proves that
>  > holohuggers are thieves.
>  
>  So sue, you big twit.

	Matty poo, our resident criminal, has claimed that he made a criminal 
complaint to Canadian authorities.  While I doubt that he did -- I have nt heard 
any gales of laughter blowing in from the north --  maybe it is time for him to give a 
report of what he was told.

	--YFE



From yawen@enter.net Fri Sep 27 15:17:49 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Our Resident Criminal Speaks
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  	In case anyone missed it, the violation of my copyright by Nizkor proves 
that
>  holohuggers are thieves.
>  
>  	They are not fit for civilized society.  

	We now have a new arbitor of what is and what is not civilized 
behavior.

	He gave us a fine example what he considers "civilized" behavior 
when he was asked to stop harrassig me with unwanted e-mail.  His reponse was 
"I'm tired of your shit.  Fuck off."  He then demonstrated what he meant by this 
statement by sending me an anti-Semitic rant.

	It should be noted when Giwer refers to "civilized society" he refers to 
the society that can only be found in select locations,  Sing Sing, Leavenworth, 
Folsom, Raiford . . . . . .

	--YFE 


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 26 Sep 1996 03:18:20 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>  >	Becasue they are true.  To review the bidding you sent me your usual 
>  >>  >anit-Semitic garbage in an e-mail.  You were asked, as you have been in 
the 
>  >past, 
>  >>  >not to send me any e-mail.  Your entire response was:
>  >  
>  >>  >	"I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."
>  >  
>  >>  >	That communication, in itself, is criminal harrassment.
  
>  >	Garbage.  You e-mailed me anit-Semitic material.  You were asked to 
>  >stop.  Not only is that not harrassment but it was at the direction of your ISP 
after 
>  >their logs demonstrated that you had sent it to me.  Your response to a request 
>  >not send me e-mail is quoted in full above.
  
>  	Strange they told me quite the opposite about the logs.  But then you 
are known
>  to get hysterical on this subject.  You are very strange.  I would suggest you
>  get a prosthetic foreskin so you can feel like a whole man again rather than
>  like a sexually mutilated primitive.  

	You're lying, Matty poo.  The proof of that is where you are posting 
from.these days.

	--YFE


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>   karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
>  mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  >	And as part of the great spoken language debate, when the Mayor of 
Jerusalem
>  >gave his insult that the religious affront was for mercantile tourism he was
>  >speaking to the local TV cameras.  He was also speaking english.  
Netanyahu
>  >speaking from Paris also spoke in English.  
  
>  Matt, old cretin, if the mayor were speaking *only* for local news
>  shows, you never would have seen or heard him, would you? Or were 
>  you in Jerusalem at the time? Of course Israelis frequently speak
>  English for an international audience. English is very popular and
>  widely spoken in Israel. Same in the Netherlands. That doesn't make
>  English the national language of either country.

	It should also be noted that Netanyahu was educated at Cheltenham 
High School (a location well-known to students of American Constitutional law) 
where he was a school-mate of Reggie Jackson  and MIT.  For obvious reasons 
he is comfortable speaking English.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Sep 27 19:17:25 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Holocaust and the Nuremberg Trials
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) makes an idiot of himself:
  
>  	In felony trials defendants aren't usually ask if they did it or
>  not.

	According to Moran a judge never asks a defendant "How do you 
plead?  Guilty or not guilty?"



> That is the first step on arrest.

	The first step on arrest is (state) read the Miranda rights or (federal) 
read the McNab rights.

>  	Perhaps you could present some scenarios of how any denials would
>  come to take place.

	Sure.

	1.  In a demurrer before the trial.

	2.  When the defendant presents his defense.


>  	Should a defendant jump up from his seat and yell 'I didn't do
>  it, I tell you. I didn't do it'.

	No his lawyer does that when he presents his evidence and argues 
his case to the court.

>  	Would he be ask on the stand.

	That's one way of  doing it if the defendant decides to testify.  Most 
of the defendants at Nuremberg testified.  Further all of the defendants were 
allowed to make unsworn statements to the court (highly unusual in 
Anglo-American law) which were not subject to cross-examination.

>  	Did anyone ever ask.

	Why didn't they just say so.  They were allowed to address the court 
in unsworn statements.


>  	And would it make any difference if there were denials. Denials
>  do nothing.

	Not when the evidence is against you.
  	
>  	If you were ever arrested for say murder, and your attorney
>  allowed the procedures to go forth in the same order as Nuremberg,
>  guilty or no, you'd be hung.

	Please tell us all the American jurisdictions which allow a defendant 
to address the court with an unsworn statement and not be cross-examined on 
it.

>  	Or if you knew any law, and you  defended yourself 'pro per',
>  you'd be screaming, 'I want my mommy'. 

	How do you defend yourself "'pro per?'"  What does this strange 
phrase mean?  Why has no-one told Black's Law Dicitionary about it?

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) our resident criminal tries to distract others from 
the truth::
>  	As I have noted I have not been able to save all of the thousands of your
>  mailbombs to me but I can return what I do have left.

	But I saved the anti-Semitc and obscene e-mail you sent to me.  Nizkor 
saved your attempted extortion and mailbombs. 

>  	It is also interesting that you are clearly making Mike Carr a partner in your
>  mail bombing.  I would have thought it improper for an ISP to be involved in
>  mailbombing such as you have been doing.  But if you are saying that Carr
>  supports your abuse of the net that is fine with me also.  I will have no
>  problem sending him everything I have left of what you have sent me.  

	Strange.  That's exactly what netcom noted when they found out about your 
criminal activities.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

>  Moreover, who says that the SS would put them in the same
>  list as priests? That they would bother to list them at all?
   
>  The fact that the Nazis deported and killed so many priests
>  is driving our "revisionists" crazy. It's quite clear why.

	I wonder how how he would react to document NS 3 425 in the 
Bunesachiv Koblenz dated December 31, 1943, ordering all KZs to report on the 
number of Christian clergy inprisoned in the camps.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:

>  I hesitate to enter the fray on the side of the cretins, but the original
>  list was of "clergy" and explicitly included a couple Muslims, so the
>  question "Where were the rabbis?" is not quite as stupid as you suppose.

	Actually the key to the problem is that the lists were specifically 
compiled at the order of SS headquarters.  I have elsewhere posted the citation 
for the specific order.  The reason for the order seems to be that Christian clergy 
were afforded better treatment at some camps.  The order to list them was part of 
an order by Himmler to give them *worse* treatment.

  
>  It is rather insinuative, but exactly what the cretins are trying to 
>  insinuate, I don't know. That since there were apparently no rabbis at
>  Dachau, rabbis were immune from the Holocaust? Like there weren't enough
>  other concentration camps for them, not to mention more directly homicidal
>  methods to get rid of them?

	That would assume some form of meaningful mentition on the part of 
Giwer and Moran.  Do you have any evidence that would support such an 
assumption?

	I thought not.

  
>  Then there's the idiot Giwer who supposes that since there were no rabbis
>  at Dachau, there were no Jews there either. I guess he figures that the
>  Nazis were so concerned with the religious well-being of concentration
>  camp inmates that they would surely have grabbed appropriate clergy for
>  every religion represented.

	In which case he is in for a surprise.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  What evidence?  That Kramer thought it was polluted?  Well, we can't very
>  well ask him today, can we? 

	Then why are you alleging that he did?

>No, it is up to you now to prove that the British
>  did not use filtering machines to supply drinkable water to the detainees.

	They testified that all they used was the pumps and supplies already in the 
camps.  If you have proof they were lying, post it.

>  this is an odd request from a man who suggested that all Kramer need do was remove
>  rotting corpses covered in excrement from the water in order for the prisoners to 
relieve
>  their thirst.  Thank God you weren't in command of that camp instead of Kramer!

	This is your description.  The British found no such conditions.  They hooked 
up the water supply and supplied potable drinking water to the inmates.  Kramer never 
did.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

  
>  >  	Answer:  rblackmore has evidently not researched it.  The modern 
>  >  treatment is nutrition and intenstive fluid replacement.  Kramer provided neither.  He 
>  >  cut off the water.  Medially speaking that was certain to kill those suffering from 
>  >  dystentery.

>  Yes, this is what I have already said.  However, you have already stated that
>  all Kramer need have done was removing the putrifying corpses from the 
>  stagnant water in the compounds and everyone could then guzzle water to their
>  heart's content.....By the way, fluid replacement in this case would have to be
>  administered intravenously.

	Where did the water the British supplied come from?

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  And I will say it again:  Kramer was a victim of circumstances.

	Kramer was a murderer.

	Where did the British get the water to supply the camp?

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	That is nonsense.  People drank it.  They did not suffer.  Ergo it was 
>  >  potable.  The British supplies the water by turning on the pumps.  Since the 
>  >  "pollution" is a figment of your imagination it was a relatively easy process.

>  This is avoiding the issue.


	The only one avoiding the issue is you.

	The British supplied water in a matter of hours.  Where did it come from?

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  No, it does not.  You seem to have a problem with it though.  The two cases
>  are not relevant, and neither are the circumstances.  If you don't mind, I really
>  don't want to enter into a discussion on Auschwitz just yet.  I am still researching.

	Then tell us about the research that you claim you did.  You have read the 
testimony posted here.  The British supplied water to the camp in matter of hours 
using the camp equipment.

	Where did they get the water?


	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  >	Should a defendant jump up from his seat and yell 'I didn't do
>  >it, I tell you. I didn't do it'.
  
>  	"Your honor, I move the defendant's outburst be stricken from the 
record."
  
>  	"Granted."  

	Contrary to normal Anglo-American procedure, the defendants were 
permitted to make unsworn statements to the court.  The judge, therefore, would 
have said:

	"Granted.  The defendant may make any statement he wishes after the 
evidence is presented."

	But you knew that.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Priests Murdered in Dachau
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 27 Sep 1996 00:56:30 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  >>  	Now that you are on the right track, what was the average life 
>  >expectancy of the
>  >>  cohort in the camp?  If you can not answer that, you can not determine the
>  >>  expected number of deaths.  Nor can it be determined if the number of 
deaths 
>  >is
>  >>  out of line with that expectation.  
  
>  >	The average life expectancy for an American male aged 50 in 1939-41 
>  >was 25.52 years.  Yes, the figures for deaths are way out of line.
  
>  	Poland is not America.  It is lower today, it is presumed to have been 
lower
>  them.  As this occurred over a period of seven years the first cut is 1/3 dead
>  from natural causes.

	Just to prove how stupid you are, we'll use your phoney numbers (the 
one you are making up to prove your point).  If the average life expectancy is 20 
years and we assume the death rate to be constant, the "first cut" estimate for the 
*six* years (September 1939 -- April 1945) would be approximately 15% from 
natural causes.

	Now do you want to invent some new numbers?

  
>  	Now go explain it to the jew traitor Keren. 	

	I think he can do basic arithmetic.  You have, in this post, proved that it 
is beyond you.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 27 Sep 1996 01:55:44 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	That is because you sent me e-mail.  At least one e-mail you sent 
contains 
>  >your anti-Semitic doggeral.  Your reply to my request that you not send me 
e-mail was "I 
>  >am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."  That is obscene.  Two days after you sent 
that e-mail 
>  >you did so again.  That is criminal harrassment.
  
>  	You left out the intermediate communications where I explained to you 
that I had
>  sent you no email.  You then responded that my reply was unsolicited email.  
It
>  was then I told you to fuck off.  It was that message you claimed was 1) 
obscene
>  and 2) sent to your family.  I saved your message.  

	That is a lie.  Matty poo.  You claimed that the e-mail was a forgery by 
Grynspan.  

  
>  	"Fuck off" is not obscene.  "shit" is not obscene.  It was not sent to 
your
>  family.  You are clearly lying on both counts.  

	Want to bet Matty poo?  The message was sent to me and my family. 
 It is obscene.  It is harrassment.

	You are a criminal.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 27 Sep 1996 01:25:51 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	According to Moran a judge never asks a defendant "How do you 
>  >plead?  Guilty or not guilty?"
  
>  	That is called the arraigment hearing where the accused, after private 
meeting
>  with his counsel, enter a plea.  Since the accused at Nuremberg were not 
granted
>  that step ... in fact many reported only learning what they were accused of
>  during breaks in the trial where the charges were translated for them.  

	Moran' statement was "the first step after arrest."  The first step after 
arrest is an arraignment.  That is still, depending on the jurisdiction, not a plea.  
The arraignment is merely to inform the defendant of the charges against him and 
to set bail.  The plea is not entered until after a preliminary hearing when the state 
demonstrates a prima facie case.  The plea is entered before the judge.

	In fact, the indictments were presented to the accused and their 
counsel long before the trial.  All pleaded at the beginning of the trial.

  
>  	But you consider that a fair trial.  

	Since your version never happened your comment is ridiculous.

  
>  >> That is the first step on arrest.
>  
>  >	The first step on arrest is (state) read the Miranda rights or (federal) 
>  >read the McNab rights.
  
>  	And you hold the accused at Nuremberg were read those rights.  

	They wer informed of their right to counsel before interrogation.  That is 
well-documented.
  
>  >>  	Perhaps you could present some scenarios of how any denials would
>  >>  come to take place.
>  
>  >	Sure.
>  
>  >	1.  In a demurrer before the trial.
>  
>  >	2.  When the defendant presents his defense.
>  
>  
>  >>  	Should a defendant jump up from his seat and yell 'I didn't do
>  >>  it, I tell you. I didn't do it'.
>  
>  >	No his lawyer does that when he presents his evidence and argues 
>  >his case to the court.
  
>  	But as we know even the defense counsels were often not given the 
charges before
>  the trial began.  But you hold that is a fair trial.  

	We all know the opposite.  The indictments were presented to counsel 
before the trial.

	Any one who says otherwise is a liar.

	You may take that personally.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  >In <52fc70$a8@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
  
>  >! 	That is because you sent me e-mail.  At least one e-mail you sent 
contains 
>  >! your anti-Semitic doggeral.  Your reply to my request that you not send me 
e-mail was "I 
>  >! am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."  That is obscene.  Two days after you sent 
that e-mail 
>  >! you did so again.  That is criminal harrassment.

>  >! >  	Then he complains that my response to his unsolicited and causeless 
email is
>  >! >  unsolicited email and that he uses as the basis for his libelous complaints.
>  >! >  One would think that an attorney would know better than to do 
something as
>  >! >  obvious as that.  
>  >! 
>  >! 	The response to my request to stop was the message "I am tired of 
your shit.  
>  >! Fuck off."  followed by another e-mail.
>  >! 
>  >! 	If you think I can't produce them, Matty poo, sue me.
>  >! 
>  >! 	In the meantime you engaged in  harrassment.  You are a criminal.

>  	And dickless is challenged to make good on his claim that my 
activities are
>  criminal by filing a formal complaint.  
	
	No Matty poo.  You are a criminal.  Please do not inform me how to 
deal with your crimes.

	I will deal with them by reminding you regularly and in public of your 
behavior.

	The fact, Matty poo is that you are garbage.

>  	But dickless will not do so because he knows he is lying.  

	Then sue me Matty poo.  You are guilty of criminal harrassment, Matty 
poo.  I want every lurker who even thinks that that there might be an iota of 
honesty in your post what you are and how you operate.

	When your current ISP kicks you off, the next will be informed of your 
activities as well.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

  
>  >  	No.  You have, in fact, stated your statements were based on "reasonable 
>  >  suspicions."

>  Yes, based upon facts.

	You have failed to present a single fact indicating that Hoess was tortured 
into giving a confession.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   Brian Harmon  writes:

>  >  It is rather telling that the British were able to restore food and 
>  >  water within days,

>  >  Kramer had three months, and nothing was done.

>  I thought this was already addressed?

	Not by you.  You have yet to tell us where the British obtained water.
 
  
>  >  Also, the testimony of Harold Ledruillence, an American prisoner in 
>  >  the camp 'employed' as a corpse carrier mentions that inmates 
>  >  (including him) were not allowed to touch water despite the 
>  >  fact that they were dying of thirst.

>  Well, I would need to review his comments.  Where may this be found?
>  What reason was given for this refusal and by whom was it directly ordered?

	Kramer.

>  Yes.  I am not trying to deceive anyone here.  I simply think that the 
circumstances 
>  surrounding particularly abhorrent accusations should be researched 
completely.  This
>  is how I define my own particular type of "revisionism".  If the facts prove the 
allegations
>  to be true, then so be it.  I have no problem with stating so openly.  I am just 
trying to
>  show people that there may have been mitigating circumstances involved 
with some of
>  these questions.

	You are doing a damn poor job of it.  You have been presented with 
testimony that the British supplied water to the camp within hours of arriving 
there.

	Where did the British get the water?
  
>  Yes.  This seems to be correct.  However, the water at Belsen was 
contaminated.  Kramer
>  testified that he believed the water from the river flowing nearby was polluted. 

	He lied.

	The British supplied water immediately.

	Where did it come from?

	--YFE



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

  
>  >  	Taylor was an outstanding lawyer (he was involved in the Miranda 
>  >  case, for example) and looked at the Nuremberg trial from that perspective.  
It 
>  >  was clear to me that he was not happy with the case against Streicher.  
While he 
>  >  does not come out directly and make the statement, he strongly implies that 
>  >  Streicher was convicted as much because he was stupid as becasue he 
was 
>  >  evil.  Technically there is not much hope for a defendant who starts his 
testimony 
>  >  with an attack on his own lawyer.  When I read a transcript of Streicher's 
>  >  testimony, I was bothered that his lawyer did not attempt to withdraw.  In a 
similar 
>  >  situation I could not see how I could give effective representation under 
those 
>  >  circumstances.

>  From what I read, his lawyer attempted to withdraw but was refused permission.

	Actually he asked the court's opinion as to whether he should withdraw 
or not.  It seems a rather weak attempt.  Anglo-American practice would be a 
direct request to allow him to withdraw.  He might have been following European 
practice.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  
>  	Looks like Giwer has done it again. He has come out and given the
>  Holocaust Defense League an avenue of diversion from the real problem.
>  
>       What? No rabbis?
>  
>>>>
	Since the commandants of the camps were specifically required to list 
the Christian clergy in their camps (Document NS 3 425, Bundesarchiv Koblenz 
issued December 31, 1943), why would expect rabbis to be listed?

	Or are you just even stupider than you generally appear?

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 28 Sep 1996 20:34:06 GMT, libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson)
>  wrote:

>  >Tom, you still haven't explained why you expect the Nazis to include
>  >Rabbis on a list of Christian clergymen.
  
>  	The list does not say christian.  Now, why no rabbis?  

	But the order to compile the list (Document NS 3 425 Bundesarchiv Koblenz; 
sissued December 31, 1943) specifies Christian clergy.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>
>  >>>>
>  Already posted the fact that Kramer thought the river was polluted. 

	He lied.


> Mr. Giwer also
>  makes a good point when he adds that the British had to have provided some 
special
>  filtering apparatus for the water to have been made drinkable.

	That is, obviously, incorrect.  The British did no more than hook up the 
equipment at the camp.

	Where did they get the water?


	--YFE

	--YFE


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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  Mentally retarded, AND senile, AND vulgar, AND a pathological liar.

	You forgot his criminal activities.  Giwer's response to those who disgree 
with him has included such activities as disrupting the service of others with mail 
bombs and criminal harrassment.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  >  
>  >  Here! In this forum?!? Get thee to the National Archives and do the
>  >  comparisons yourself. If you feel that Larson was not qualified as an
>  >  expert then present your evidence. If you feel that the evidence was
>  >  not properly put into evidence (per-1940 law) then provide your
>  >  evidence. 

>  Don't need to.  You're making the accusation.  Now prove it.

	And the proof is the expert's report.  It has been posted.  You are 
challenging that report.  At that point, the burden of proof is on you.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  Now, now, why do you support flagrant lies?  There is no autopsy report and 
there are
>  NO toxicological reports.  If so, they would have been posted ages ago.  

	You have been told several times.  There is a medical report from a 
forensic pathologist, the conclusions of which have been posted verbatim.  You 
have asked for his raw notes.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  >  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  
>  >  # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  >  
>  >  ## Testimony of Dr. Hans W. Muench 
>  >  ##  [Quoted in "Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military 
>  >  ##  Tribunals" - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol.
>  >  ##  VIII, p. 313-321]
>  >  ##  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  >  ##  Q. What was your first impression of Auschwitz when you arrived?
>  >  
>  >  # Whatever his interrogators told him.

>  I am not familiar with the interview given by Muench.  Perhaps you would care to
>  post it along with his previous court testimony, so we may all examine it?

	Then why did you claim it was fraudulent?

	--YFE


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> (Matt  Giwer) our resident criminal tries to write:

	On the other hand, who cares what Matty poo writes? 

	He's an idiot that has long since prven himself a drunken bum fired from 
the navy.  He doesn't like the Nuremberg trials becasue they convicted his heroes 
of the murders they committed.

	His affection for criminals is easily explainable.  He is one himself.  Matty 
poo feels it is his right to illegally harass those who disagree with his ranting and 
raving.  A group which includes every lawyer and judge in the country.  Poor Matty 
poo no one takes his silliness seriously any more.

	--YFE


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>   Matt  Giwer who illegally harasses those who prove him an idiot writes:
>  On 30 Sep 1996 06:38:35 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >> Mr. Giwer also
>  >>  makes a good point when he adds that the British had to have provided 
some 
>  >special
>  >>  filtering apparatus for the water to have been made drinkable.
  
>  >	That is, obviously, incorrect.  The British did no more than hook up the 
>  >equipment at the camp.
  
>  >	Where did they get the water?
  
>  	Where did they get the electricity?


	Obviously from the camp.  There are no reports that the electricity was 
out.

	Now answer the question.  Where did the water come from?


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>   mgwier@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) gets in deeper:

>  >	Then sue me Matty poo.  You are guilty of criminal harrassment, Matty 
>  >poo.  I want every lurker who even thinks that that there might be an iota of 
>  >honesty in your post what you are and how you operate.
  
>  	The crime has to be reported, dickless.  You license to practice law is on the
>  line if you do not.  

	Let us review the bidding to this point:

	1.  on March 23, March 27, and July 23, 1996.  Matt Giwer e-mailed me.  On 
the first two occasions I requested that he send me no more e-mail.

	2.  On August 19, 1996, Giwer, dispite my request, again sent e-mail to my 
address.  He was again told to cease.

	3.  On August 19, 1996, Giwer wrote back stating "Nor did I send any to you 
you.  Go over the headers carefully and see where it really came from.  You will most likely 
find gryn.org involved.  That 'world renouned' [sic] expert has pulled another stunt tonight 
which, although amusing, is hardly clever."

	This was a lie.  The header was Giwer's.  Netcom's logs also indicated that 
Giwer sent the e-mail.

	4.  On August 19, 1996, Giwer, again directed e-mail to me and my family.  
When asked to cease his reponse was:

	"I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."

	5.  To prove his disregard of the rights of	others, Giwer again sent me an e-mail 
on September 5, 1996 the last line of which read "Or are you still promoting the idea that 
you are really an attorney?"  Followed with his anti-Semitic doggerel that begins "There's 
no business like Shoah business . . . . "

	6.  At this point I complained to netcom.com and called them on the telephone. 
 They checked their logs, confirmed that the harassment came from Giwer and agreed to 
save the logs for any future action.  On September 9, 1996, I received e-mail from the 
abuse department of Netcom stating that his account had been suspended.

	At this point two things are clear.  The harassment was deliberate and the 
harassment was in violation of various criminal laws including 18 P.S. 2710 (Harrassment 
by Communication) and 18 P.S. 4906 (Ethnic Intimidation).

	In short, this is Giwer's methodlogy.  If you disagree with him, he will harass you. 
 In the past he has attempted extortion against the Nizkor website.  His abuse of the net 
includes spamming, mail bombing at least two persons, and these criminal acts.  He has 
now been suspended from two providers for these acts.

	His response has been vicious and bigoted personal attacks with the apparent 
intent of intimidating or silencing those who disagree with his lies and his bigotry.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 30 Sep 1996 05:15:24 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Contrary to normal Anglo-American procedure, the defendants were 
>  >permitted to make unsworn statements to the court.  The judge, therefore, 
would 
>  >have said:
  
>  >	"Granted.  The defendant may make any statement he wishes after 
the 
>  >evidence is presented."
 
>  >	But you knew that.
  
>  	So, dickless here, holds that the court permitted outbursts to be 
entered into
>  the record.  

	Exactly.  Article (j).  The statements can be found in volume XXII.  
Goering went first.  No cross-examination was allowed and the prosecutors 
were not in the court-room.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

  
>  	Has the officer of the court really failed to report what he identifies as a
>  crime?  
  
>  	So much for the oath he took to practice law.  
  
>  	Sounds like dickless is in full retreat here.  

	Sure Matty poo.  


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
Date: 30 Sep 1996 23:34:04 GMT
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Matt  Giwer the criminal tries to think, he botches the job:
>  >>  mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
  
>  >>  "To restore the water supply we utilized the fire pumps and
>  >>  hose which we found inside the camp to pump water from a river
>  >>  to the camp itself".

>  >>  "Did you find any reason why water should not have been provided
>  >>  in that camp?"
>  >>  
>  >>  "I can think of none".
>  >>  
>  >>  Quoted from the testimony of Major Berney, "The Belsen Trial",
>  >>  p. 54.

>  	More to the point, unless the claim is that this was an old fashioned fire 
pump
>  that was hand operated, there was a requirement for electricity to operate it.
>  Power stations and transformer stations are among the most important targets 
for
>  pilots.  

	Matty poo's last set of lies did not work, so he tries a new one.  There 
is no evidence that the electricity was out in the camp.

	But we can already predict what the next set will be.  The United 
Nations troops were trying to kill German soldiers.  Therefore, Kramer was 
already dead when they arrived.

	All this becasue Matty poo won't answer a simple question: where did 
the British get the water?

	Perhaps Matty poo should go back to what he does best: harassing 
those who disagree with him.

	--YFE	


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Yom Kippur
Date: 30 Sep 1996 23:48:51 GMT
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>  Matt  Giwer whines:
>  On 30 Sep 1996 06:01:36 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	You forgot his criminal activities.  Giwer's response to those who 
disgree 
>  >with him has included such activities as disrupting the service of others with 
mail 
>  >bombs and criminal harrassment.
  
>  	Hey, dickless.  Your last claim is that a crime has been committed.  As 
an
>  officer of the court you are required to report it.  

	Wrong, Matty poo.  A crime has been committed.  You committed it.  
Actually it was two crimes.  Your first crime was Harassment by Communication, 
a class three misdemeanor (18 P.S. 2710), when in response to a request 
that you cease your harassment of me and my family you told us "I am tired 
of your shit.  Fuck off."  Your second crime occurred two days later when, in 
furtherance of the threat implied in your first criminal communication you 
harassed me further with another e-mail that included your rather vile anti-Semitic 
rantings.  This second crime was also Harassment by Communication now 
compounded by "Ethnic Intimidation" (12 P.S. 4908) which elevates the crime to 
a class two misdemeanor.

	I suggest you talk to a lawyer.

	--YFE  

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