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In article <846793171$15661@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) supporter
of Morris Dees & Nizcor & militia infiltrator writes:

>guess what, billynazi?  Normal people don't vote for someone because of
the color >of their skin!  In fact normal people don't even care about the
color of another >person's skin but, as Dr. King said "about the content
of their character".  What do >you think people see when they look at the
content of *your* character, billynazi?  >If you don't know, would you
like some possible suggestions?
>
>Arlin H. Adams

"Arlin Adams" it is interesting that you choose to worship the so called
character of "Dr. King".  Let me tell you a few things about "Mr. King"
a.k.a. Michael King. (below)

There has been alot of discussion in this group on many topics.  We are
also inundated with fallacies and deliberate attempts to twist the truth
and to outright lie.  The majority of these actions are being done by a
dozen individuals.  Some claim they are merely monitoring this NG while
others are the alter ids for some you think you can trust and others work
for Morris Dees, Nizcor & ZOG.  5 of these individuals CLAIM that they
support the militias.  I have seen their games and have noticed that what
they do is try to stir up trouble and to get other Militia types to either
fall in line with what they say or to provoke them into making irrational
statements.  Anything that can be brought up and used against the militias
at a later time.  Then all the dialog and posts from this NG are logged
and stored without your permission in the Nizcor database and also logged
for Morris Dees.  These cretins are the same fools who are posting pure
waste of bandwidth after every post by NA members or regular Militia
members who have the ability to think for themselves.  These same vile
creatures spout bizarre conspiracy rhetoric and nonsense.  They act as if
they are coming from some general base of knowledge or have some grasp on
facts or reality.  But this is obviously not the case as their posts show
that they are spittling liars that are parroting the Nizcor, ADL, Dees,
Clinton line.   Just look at how they repeat themselves over and over
again.  They refuse to comment or debate when facts are presented them. 
They are losing a battle when TRUTH is the victor.  

The men and women of the NA stand for higher ideals than these fools can
ever wish to envision.  We love our families, our ancestors, our Nation
(in the sense that it once was great when it honored the Constitution and
stood for what our founding fathers invision and built). We are patriots
in the highest sense.  We give ourselves rules and goals to live by and
achieve.  Do not be fooled when the plants on this NG lump us with
criminals (as they do many of you), and other groups that could not and do
not qualify for NA membership.  The National Alliance has a very large
membership, yet within this great spectrum we find generally higher IQ's,
degrees, & moral character than you will find in some of these general
militias that you have to choose from.  We have members in every social
class, many areas of industry and technology & many white collar /
professional areas.  The thing that makes the NA stand elevated from
others is that we see life as a learning process and that in order to have
a better nation one must first develop and constantly crave and desire
education. We seek to search out truths and are not afraid to share what
we have found along our journey. This is why the National Alliance has an
educational arm/affiliate National Vanguard Books. (go to
http://www.natvan for information on getting catalog and to see the
catalog online  There are over 500 offerings of books, videos, pamphlets &
various audio tapes including most our ADV radio broadcasts on tape).  The
NA also publishes a high quality magazine National Vanguard, it has a
radio show American Dissident Voices (ADV, tune in information at the end
of this post but it can now be listened to on real-time audio via the web
at the site above), a TV cable access show and of course the ongoing
research project and updated publication "Who Rules America" the detailed
cataloging of who owns all the various forms of media in the US.  

Ann Daltyn (NA member speaking for herself from her heart)

Now for the information on King that is had promised:

I would like to point you all to the truth about the type of lies being
taught to our children & perpetrated by our society's present media &
government leaders.

Martin Luther King: The Beast As Saint; The Truth About Martin Luther King
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Copied from a pamphlet by NVB (National Vanguard Books), a transcript of a
speech given by Mr. Kevin Strom on the worldwide radio program ADV
(American Dissident Voices) January 15, 1994 http://www.natvan.com &
http://www.natall.com

When the Communists took over a country, one of the first things they did
was to confiscate all the privately-held weapons, to deny the people the
physical ability to resist tyranny.  But even more insidious than the
theft of the people's weapons, was the theft of history.  Official
Communist "historians" rewrote history to fit the current party line.  In
many countries, revered national heroes were excised from the history
books, or their real deeds were distorted to fit Communist ideology, and
Communist killers and criminals were converted into official "saints."
Holidays were declared in honor of the beasts who murdered countless
nations.  Did you know that much of the same process has occurred right
here in America?

Every January, the media go into a kind of almost spastic frenzy of
adulation for the so-called "Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King, Jr." King
has even had a national holiday declared in his honor, an honor accorded
to no other person, not Washington, not Jefferson, not Lincoln.
(Washington and Lincoln no longer have holidays -  they share the
generic-sounding "President's Day.")  A liberal judge has sealed the FBI
files on King until the year 2027.   What are they hiding?  Let's take a
look at this modern-day plastic god.

Born in 1929, King was the son of a Black preacher known at the time only
as "Daddy King."  "Daddy King" name his son Michael.  In 1935, "Daddy
King" had an inspiration to name himself after the Protestant reformer
Martin Luther.  He declared to his congregation that henceforth they were
to refer to him as "Martin Luther King" and to his son as "Martin Luther
King, Jr."  None of this name change was ever legalized in court.  "Daddy"
King's son's is to this day Michael King.

King's Brazen Cheating
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
According to researcher Michael Hoffman: The first public sermon that King
ever gave, in 1947 at the Ebenezer Baptist Church, was plagiarized from a
homily by Protestant clergyman Harry Emerson Fosdick entitled "Life is
What
You Make It," according to the testimony of King's best friend of that
time, 
Reverend Larry H. Williams.  The first book that King wrote, "Stride
Toward
Freedom", was plagiarized from numerous sources, all unattributed,
according
 to documentation recently assembled by sympathetic King scholars Keith D.
Miller, Ira G. Zepp, Jr. and David J. Garrow.

And no less an authoritative source that the four senior editors of "The
Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr." (an official publication of the Martin
Luther King Center for Nonviolent Social Change, Inc., whose staff
includes King's widow Coretta), stated of King's writings at both Boston
University and Crozer Theological Seminary: "Judged retroactive by the
standards of academic scholarship, [his writings] are tragically flawed by
numerous instances of plagiarism....  Appropriated passages are
particularly evident in his writings in his major field of graduate study,
systematic theology."  King's essay, "The Place of Reason and Experience
in Finding God," written at Crozer, pirated passages from the work of
theologian Edgar S. Brightman, author of "The Finding of God."  Another of
King's theses, "Contemporary Continental Theology," written shortly after
he entered Boston University, was largely stolen from a book by Walter
Marshall Horton.  King's doctoral dissertation, "A Comparison of the
Conceptions of God in the thinking of Paul Tillich and Harry Nelson
Wieman," for which he was awarded a Ph.D. in theology, contains more than
50 complete sentences plagiarized from the Ph.D. dissertation of Dr. Jack
Boozer, "The Place of Reason in Paul Tillich's Concept of God."

According to "The Martin Luther King Papers," in King's dissertation "only
49% of sentences in the section on Tillich contains 5 or more that were
King's own.... "!

In "The Journal of American History" June 1991, page 87, David J. Garrow,
a leftist academic who is sympathetic to King, says that King's wife,
Coretta Scott King, who also served as his secretary, was an accomplice in
his repeated cheating.  Reading Garrow's article, one is led to the
inescapable conclusion that King cheated because he had chosen for himself
a political role in which a Ph.D. would be useful, and, lacking the
intellectual ability to obtain the title fairly, went after it by any
means necessary.  Why, then, one might as, did the professors at Crozer
Theological Seminary and at Boston University grant him passing grades and
a Ph.D.?  Garrow states on page 89: "King's academic compositions
especially at Boston University, were almost without exception little more
than summary descriptions... and comparisons of other's writings. 
Nonetheless, the papers almost always received desirable letter grades,
strongly suggesting that King's professors did not expect more...."
 
The editors of "The Martin Luther King Jr. Papers" stated that"...failure
to King's teachers to notice his pattern of textual appropriation is
somewhat remarkable...."

In "Holiday for a Cheater", Michael Hoffman tells us "...actually the
malfeasance of the professors is not at all remarkable.  King was
politically correct, he was Black, and he had ambitions.  The leftist
[professors were] happy to award a doctorate in such a candidate no matter
how much fraud was involved.  Nor is it any wonder that it has taken 40
years for the truth about King's record of nearly constant intellectual
piracy to be made public." 

Supposed scholars, who in reality shared King's vision of a racially mixed
and Marxist America, purposely covered up his cheating for decades.  The
cover-up still continues.  From the "New York Times" of October 11, 1991,
page 15, we learn that on October 10th of that year, a committee of
researchers at Boston University admitted that, "There is no question but
that Dr. King plagiarized in the dissertation."  However, despite its
findings, the committee said that "No thought should be given to the
revocation of Dr. King's doctoral degree," an action the panel said "would
serve no purpose."

No purpose, indeed!  Justice demands that, in light of his willful fraud
as a student, the "reverend" and the "doctor" should be removed from
King's name.

Communist Beliefs and Connections
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Well friends, he is not a legitimate reverend, he is not a bona fide
Ph.D., and his name isn't really "Martin Luther King, Jr."  What's left? 
Just a sexual degenerate, an America-hating Communist, and a criminal
betrayer of even the interests of his own people. 

On Labor Day, 1957, a special meeting was attended by Martin Luther King
and four others at a strange institution called the Highlander Folk School
in Monteagle, Tennessee.  The Highlander Folk School was a Communist
front, having been founded by Myles Horton (Communist Party Organizer for
Tennessee) and Don West (Communist Party Organizer for North Carolina).
The leaders of this meeting with King were the aforementioned Horton and
West, along with Abner Berry and James Dumbrowski, all open and
acknowledged members of the Communist Party, USA.  The agenda of the
meeting was a plan to tour the Southern states to initiate demonstrations
and riots. 

>From  1955 to 1960, Martin Luther King's associate, advisor, and personal
secretary was one Bayard Rustin.  In 1936 Rustin joined the Young
Communist League at New York City College.  Convicted of draft-dodging, he
went to prison to 2 years in 1944.  On January 23, 1953 the Los Angeles
Times reported his conviction and sentencing to jail for 60 days for lewd
vagrancy and homosexual perversion.  Rustin attended the 16th Convention
of the Communist Party, USA in February, 1957.  One month later, he and
King founded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, or SCLC for
short.  The president of the SCLC was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.  The
vice-president of the SCLC was the Reverend Fred Shuttlesworth, who was
also the president for an identified Communist front known as the Southern
Conference Educational Fund, an organization whose field director, a Mr.
Carl Braden, was simultaneously a national sponsor of the Fair Play for
Cuba Committee, of which you may have heard.  The program director of the
SCLC was the Reverend Andrew Young, in more recent years Jimmy Carter's
ambassador to the UN and mayor of Atlanta.  Young, by the way, was trained
at the Highlander Folk School, previously mentioned.  Soon after returning
form a trip to Moscow in 1958, Rustin organized the first of King's famous
marches on Washington.  The official organ of the Communist Party, "The
Worker" openly declared the march to be a Communist project.  Although he
left King's employ as secretary in 1961, Rustin was called upon by King to
be second in command of the much larger march on Washington which took
place on August 28, 1964.

Bayard Rustin's replacement in 1061 as secretary and advisor to King was
Jack O'Dell, also known as Hunter Pitts O'Dell.  According to official
records in 1962 Jack O'Dell was a member of the National Committee of the
Communist Party, USA.  He had been listed as a Communist Party member as
early as 1956.  O'Dell was also given the job of acting executive director
for SCLC activities for the entire Southeast, according to the St. Louis
Globe-Democrat of October 26, 1962.  At that time, there were still some
patriots in the press corps, and word of O'Dell's party membership became
known.

What did King do?  Shortly after the negative news reports, King fired
O'Dell with much fanfare.  And he then, without the fanfare, Immediately
hired him again as director of the New York office of the SCLC, as
confirmed by the Richmond NewsLeader of September 27, 1963. 

In 1963 a Black man from Monroe, North Carolina named Robert Williams made
a trip to Peking, China.  Exactly 20 days before King's 1964 march on
Washington, Williams successfully urged Mao Tse-Tung to speak out on
behalf of King's movement.  Mr. Williams was also around this time
maintaining his primary residence in Cuba, from which he made regular
broadcasts to the southern US, 3 times a week, from high power AM
transmitters in Havana under the title "Radio Free Dixie."  In these
broadcasts, he urged violent attacks by Blacks against White Americans. 
During this period, Williams wrote a book entitled "Negroes With Guns". 
The writer of the foreword for this book: none other the Martin Luther
King, Jr.  It is also interesting to note that the editors and publishers
of this book were to a man all supporters of the infamous Fair Play for
Cuba Committee.

According to King's biographer and sympathizer David J. Garrow, "King
privately described himself as a Marxist."  In his 1981 book, "The FBI and
Martin Luther King. Jr.", Garrow quotes King as saying in SCLC staff
meetings, "...we have moved into a new era, which must be an era of
revolution.... The whole structure of American life must be changed.... We
are engaged in the class struggle."

Jewish Communist Stanley Levinson can best be described as King's
behind-the-scenes "handler."  Levinson, who had for years been in charge
of the secret funnelling of Soviet funds to the Communist Party, USA, was
King's mentor and was actually the brains behind many of King's more
successful ploys.  It was Levinson who edited King's book, "Stride Toward
Freedom."  It was Levinson who arranged for a publisher. Levinson even
prepared King's income tax returns!  It was Levinson who really controlled
the fund-raising and agitation activities to the SCLC.
Levinson wrote many of King's speeches. King described Levinson as one of
his "closest friends."

FBI: King Bought Sex With SCLC Money 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The FBI had for many years been aware for Stanley Levinson's Communist
activities. It was Levinson's close association with King that brought
about the initial FBI interest in King.  Lest you be tempted to believe
the controlled media's lie about "racists" in the FBI being out to "get"
King, you should be aware that the man most responsible for the FBI's
probe of King was Assistant Director William C. Sullivan.  Sullivan
describes himself  as a liberal, and says that initially "I was 100%
behind King...because I saw him as an effective and badly needed leader
for the Black people in their desire for civil rights."  The probe of King
not only confirmed their suspicions about King's Communist beliefs and
associations, but it also revealed King to be a despicable hypocrite, an
immoral degenerate, and a worthless charlatan.

According to Assistant Director Sullivan, who had direct access to the
surveillance files on King which are denied the American people, King had
embezzled or misapplied substantial amounts of money contributed to the
"civil rights" movement.  King used SCLC funds to pay for liquor, and
numerous prostitutes both Black and White, who were brought to his hotel
rooms, often two at a time, for drunken sex parties which sometimes lasted
several days.  These types of activities were the norm for King's speaking
and organizations tours. In fact, an outfit called The National Civil
Rights Museum in Memphis, Tennessee, which is putting on display the two
bedrooms from the Lorraine Motel where King stayed the night before he was
shot, has declined to depict in any way the "occupants" of those rooms. 
That - according to exhibit designer Gerald Eisterhold - would be "close
to blasphemy."  The reason?  "Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. spent his last
night on Earth having sex with 2 women at he motel and physically beating
and abusing a third."  Sullivan also stated that King had alienated the
affections of numerous married women.  According to Sullivan, who in 30
years with the Bureau had seen everything there was to be seen of the
seamy side for life, King was one of only 7 people he had encountered who
was such a total degenerate.

Noting the violence that almost invariably attended King's supposedly
"non-violent" marches, Sullivan's probe revealed a very different King
>from  the carefully crafted public image.  King welcomed members of many
different Black groups as members of his SCLC, many of them advocates and
practitioners of violence.  King's only admonition on the subject was that
they should embrace "tactical nonviolence.' 

Sullivan also relates an incident in which King met in a financial
conference with Communist Party representatives, not knowing that one of
the participants was an infiltrator actually working for the FBI.  J.
Edgar Hoover personally saw to it that documented information on King's
Communist connections was provided to the President and Congress. And
conclusive information from FBI files was also provided to major
newspapers and news wire services.  But were the American people informed
of King's real nature? No, for even in the 1060's, the fix was in - the
controlled  media and the bought of politicians were bound and determined
to push their racial mixing program on America.  King was their man and
nothing was going to get in their way.  With a few minor exceptions these
facts have been kept from the American people.  The pro-King propaganda
machine grinds on, and it is even reported that a serious proposal has
been made to add some of King's writings as a new book in the Bible.

Ladies and gentlemen, the purpose for this radio program is far greater
than to prove to you the immorality and subversion of this man called
King. I want you to start to think for yourselves. I want you to consider
this:  What are the forces and motivations behind the controlled media's
active promotion of King? What does it tell you about our politicians when
you see them, almost without exception, falling all over themselves to
honor King as a national hero? What does it tell you about our society
when any public criticism of this moral leper and Communist functionary is
considered grounds for dismissal? what does it tell you about the
controlled media when you see how they have successfully suppressed the
truth and held out a picture of King that can only be described as a
colossal lie? You need to think, my fellow Americans.  You desperately
need to wake up.

Bibliography

1. Hoffman, Michael A., Holiday for a Cheater, (Wiswell Ruffin House,
Dresden, New York, 1992)
2. Steffgen, Kent H., The Bondage of the Free (Vanguard Books, Berkeley,
California, 1966)
3. Garrow, David J., The FBI and Martin Luther King, Jr., (W. W. Norton &
Co., New York, 1981)
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In article <846866883$21703@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>In article <846803921$16641@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>>Please give just ONE INSTANCE of NA people "lying" as you have so
>>accused.  
>
>every time they post to the newsgroup.  netnazis also aren't real bright
>about avoiding obvious setups...
>
>Arlin H. Adams

Arlin you are a fool who not only steps in it quite often but is full of
it.  Your assertion that NA members have lied in their posts to MAM is
ridiculous and you know it.  But Arlin it is so obvious that you are
running scared.  You immediately deny the truths posted by NA members no
matter what they are.  You seem to not pick your fights very well.  You
make up the silliest stories no matter how crazy they sound just so you
can tack on some BS about how something so obviously is true is false. 
You post stupid one or two liners at the end of every NA post you can
find.  Some times even 3 or 4 in a row to the same post.  Arlin must like
seeing his "name" come up on his computer.  

Every time Arlin posts he loses what ever credibility or cover he has
previously acquired.  You rant, you burst out in vile diatribe, you make
up silly scenarios and bizarre conspiracy theories.  Arlin, it seems you
ARLIN need the NA to make you feel important.  Kind of sad existence
sitting around waiting for orders from one of your employers.  So "Arlin"
it looks like you feel quantity and not quality are important when posting
on usenet.  You parrot the Nizcor line, you even cut and past such BS. 
You have proven your posts to be that of a pattern of negative rhetoric no
matter what you are commenting on.  If we were to post that your real name
was Arlin H. Adams you would go ahead with your silly pattern and call us
liars and deny  that that is your name.  Strange habits you have Arlin,
very revealing.

If there are still any lurkers who even read your posts once they see
ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) in the header they are sure to just see them for
what they are Fluff and Stomp posts.  You can not refute the truth the NA
posters have provided other MAM readers.  So you have sunk lower than you
were months ago to now scrambling back with silly quips and goofy made up
stories.  You are a sick and sad man(?). 

Arlin is a trumpeter for those who database and monitor MAM and want to
use it against you.  Arlin you are the kind of creature the media loves to
lambaste and display.  Arlin you are the kind of simp that is wrong with
the militias.  Arlin is a trouble maker.  Arlin invited the Nizcor
corporation to infest MAM.  What’s the matter Arlin having trouble
suppressing the truth all on your own so you had to call in the
professional traitors.  Don't act like you did MAM a favor, because
everyone who has to slop through all the negative posts, the death
threats, the lies, the stupid one line baseless posts, the non substantive
swill should think of Arlin every time their download time is longer,
there bills are higher and for the sheer bandwidth being wasted. 

MAM ask yourselves why "Arlin" has the need to post to MAM almost 300 or
more posts a week.  If you check them out you will see that they are all
garbage posts.  They are short stupid remarks to other militia members,
ranting about silliness and general nasty behavior to all concerned and
repeated shadowing of NA posts.  Looks like Arlin is running scared.  Why
else would he not trust MAM members to have the intelligence and sense to
judge other posters as well as NA members posts for themselves.  Arlin
doesn’t think his lies can hold the test of time so he repeatedly shadows
every NA post to tell you what to think.  Hey Arlin I and many of us on
this list already have a “big brother” we don’t need you trying to dictate
the flow of this group.  This is not
rec.militia.arlin.gets-his-jollies.paid for.

If you review the Charter for MAM you will see that there is a way that
MAM can get rid of such disturbances as Arlin.   I call for a vote to get
the 8 initial votes needed to ban Arlin from MAM until he can learn to be
a productive member of MAM.  MAM should be a place to share info, ideas,
and educate each other to the harsh realities around us.  Arlin is just a
negative influence on the list and his posts clutter up the NG everyday.


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In article <846906511$2655@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>
>In article <846892084$1709@atype.com>, anndaltyn@aol.com (AnnDaltyn)
>writes:
>
>>In article <846793171$15661@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ)
supporter
>>of Morris Dees & Nizcor & militia infiltrator writes:
>>
>>>guess what, billynazi?  Normal people don't vote for someone because of
>>the color >of their skin!  In fact normal people don't even care about
>the
>>color of another >person's skin but, as Dr. King said "about the content
>>of their character".  What do >you think people see when they look at
the
>>content of *your* character, billynazi?  >If you don't know, would you
>>like some possible suggestions?
>>>
>>>Arlin H. Adams
>>
>>"Arlin Adams" it is interesting that you choose to worship the so called
>>character of "Dr. King".  Let me tell you a few things about "Mr. King"
>>a.k.a. Michael King. (below)
>
>no, a.k.a. Martin Luther King...although it figures that you wouldn't
even
>get that much right, annazi...oh, and in case it hasn't sunk in yet,
>quoting nazi agitprop (a.k.a. "vanguard press") is meaningless on this
>newsgroup, because we all know that you can never, never, never trust a
>nazi...in other words - find a real source to quote, or we will simply
>point at you and laugh some more.

No Arleen it is you who is incorrect.  His birth name and legal name til
death was Michael King.  You have proven that you have no credibility in
commenting on posts that you so obviously have not even bothered to read,
examine or research.  You just blindly go about your pattern of lies and
make it up as you go along.  Why don't you check with MLK scholars on that
one or call Atlanta to his offices and check it for yourself you silly old
man(?).

>>There has been alot of discussion in this group on many topics.  We are
>>also inundated with fallacies and deliberate attempts to twist the truth
>>and to outright lie.
>
>yes indeed, you and your fellow nazis have been lying on this newsgroup
on
>a daily, sometimes hourly basis for almost a month now.  Every time you
>do, we will call you on it...live with it.  You must also understand,
>little netnazi, that we know we scare you, and in fact that is our
intent.
> Learn this, memorize this, know this in your heart of hearts that on the
>day of general uprising, the Constitutional Militias, acting indefense of
>the citizens of their communities, and in order to maintain their own
>security will have no option but to neutralize *all* of your little
'white
>supremacist' groups.  That is the reality, and there is *nothing* which
>you can do to change that reality.

You do not scare me Arleen nor do any of you fools who try to state that
the things I post are lies.  It is you Arleen who is scared and you show
it.  You can not call us on lies that do not exist. I find you to be quite
pathetic Arleen.  You are a disgusting specimen calling itself a man.  I
do not belong to a "white supremacist group".  

>Now, do you want to know the truly humorous part of this, little netnazi?

>The really funny part is that, by showing up here and causing the ruckus
>you have, *you* and your fellow netnazis  are responsible for finally
>convincing the leadership of this neccessity. 

What the necessity to avoid any confrontation or debate with real and
vital issues because they may cause some work to be done and great thought
to be give to many issues.  Afraid this many cut in on your rambo time
Arleen?

>Your behavior has been so offensive,

I have at no time been offensive nor have my friends.  It is you Arleen
that is a vile little man(?).

>your blatant and open disregard for the Constitution so obvious, and the
inherently >duplicitous and evil nature of your philosophy made so
apparent, that any possible >doubts have been erased from our minds.  To
put it simply, you are responsible for >having brought your own doom upon
you.

I have no disregard for the Constitution and have never even posted
anything close to those lies of your Arleen.  My family came to America
and governed the new world since the mid 1600's.  I come from a long line
of patriots, founding fathers, and American heroes.

>Know that, live with that, and perhaps some night, in the wee small hours
of the >morning, you may even have the courage to begin to ask the
question "why?".

I have asked myself why you seem to be so dense and unaware of reality
even if it were to tip your big bottom off your chair.  I have thought
about what would make a man(?) so foolish as to deny inherent truths.

>Arlin H. Adams  (is your nickname Stein? some one told me it was)

Arlin these facts I presented and the references given are supported by
the MLK friendly supporters, FBI files, Newspaper records, court records,
the Universities he attened, those who worked with King, Coretta Scott
King herself and many more.


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In article <846811991$17255@atype.com>, daddison@lville.mindspring.com
(Don Addison) writes:

>Subject:	Re: Here's a look at the REAL Thomas Jefferson
>From:	daddison@lville.mindspring.com (Don Addison)
>Date:	Fri, 1 Nov 96 1:33:11 GMT
>
>
>sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
>
>
>>"Jefferson's vision of the future America--after the hypothetical
>>abolition of slavery by the slaveowners themselves--is a lily-white
>>one. All the ex-slaves are to be deported to Africa. In the meantime,
>>free blacks have to be eliminated from Virginia. Jefferson's proposals
>>for their elimination were too draconian to be stomached even by his
>>fellow slaveowners (above, chapter 7). His proposed (and rejected)
>>amendments to the Virginian legal code included a recommendation for
>>the penalization of what Virginian slaveowners called "miscegenation."
>
>>"Jefferson made provision for the case of a white woman who might bear
>>a mulatto child. Both the mother and her child were to leave Virginia,
>>immediately after the birth. In the event of their failure to do so,
>>mother and child were declared to be "beyond the protection of the
>>law." In the circumstances, that proposition was a license for
>>lynching: for the physical destruction of mother and child by any
>>Virginian who might care to do the job. Volunteers would not be
>>lacking." 
>
>>The Long Affair: Thomas Jefferson and the French Revolution, 1785-1800
>>Conor Cruise O'Brien Cloth, 384 pages, pp. 301-25
>
>>Brian Smith
>>www.natall.com
>
>Let me guess, ONLY AVAILABLE FROM NATIONAL ALLIANCE ONLINE BOOKSTORE
>FOR $49.95 AND WITH EVERY COPY WE SEND YOU AN AUTOGRAPHED PHOTO OF
>THAT LONG DEAD SIREN, EVA BRAUN!!!!
>Am I right Brian m'boy. And as a true southerner I used the word BOY!
>Pagan, Patriot, and Proud of both!
>Blessed Be!
>http://www.mindspring.com/~daddison

Addison, the NA promotes education in all avenues of acquirement i.e. just
go to your library or check it out on line.. there have also been some
great articles and excerpts in magazines.  Write to or join one of the
many Jeffersonian associations, visit Monticello or borrow the books from
a neighbor, friend or relative.

It is obvious that you can not refute what is fact.  Yet you somehow could
not resist making some silly childish comment and revelation that you
perhaps are a Germanaphile and lust for Eva.  Fine that is your business
but don't make us all subject to your no content posts.

Mr. Smith has been kind enough to post many interesting writtings by one
of our great founding fathers that is of interest to many of us on MAM. 
We do not need you being rude to him at every turn due to some
misconceptions that you have.


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In article mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) writes:

>>I wanted to clear-up one matter - Jewish predominance in Communism,
which 
>>your great "Russian expert", Randy Ragsdale tried to obsfucate, namely
by 
>>attacking my claim that USSR commissar of internal affairs, Lavrenti
Beria was
>>
>>Jewish. (As if that alone refuted the abundance of other evidence I
provided).
>>
>>Read and learn, Randy:
>>
>>"Ryumin and Ignatiev joined the minister of state security
>>of Georgia, Nikolai M. Rukhadze, to accuse Beria of
>>concealing his Jewish origin and fabricating a conspiracy
>>against Stalin in Georgia." - Page 306, 'Special Tasks' by
>>Pavel and Anatoli Sudoplatov, 1995, Little, Brown and Co.
>>
>>"In May 1953, two months after Stalin's death, Zoya
>>Zarubina, who had become a dean of the Moscow Institute of
>>Foreign Languages and a party secretary, heard at a
>>confidential party meeting that Beria was concealing his
>>Jewish origins." - Page 307, 'Special Tasks' by Pavel and
>>Anatoli Sudoplatov, 1995, Little, Brown and Co.
>>
>>Next we'll hear Kaa Byington screaming (as usual): "Forgery! Forgery!
Sorry 
>>Kaa, you lose again.
>>
>>Once again, I'm forced to say it - You goofs don't know what you're
talking about.
>>
>>Yours truly,
>>Ian McKinney
>>    \|/
>>     |
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
>>HOWEVER, FOR THE TRUTH:
>>http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney
>>http://www.natvan.com or http://www.natall.com
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------

>sybesma@netcom.com (Steven D. Sybesma) ranted:

>On Thu, 31 Oct 96 22:48:18 GMT Ian McKinney [mckinney@usaor.net] barfed:

>

Well not the wacky, ranting, unstable kind

>Ian:

>FIND ANOTHER PLACE FOR YOUR STINKING LIES, O.K.?
>GET YOUR OWN NEWSGROUP!!!!!!!
>Y O U   A R E   N O T   W E L C O M E   H E R E ! ! ! ! ! ! !
>GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL:
>NAZI=SOCIALIST=COMMUNIST

You have alot of studying to do.

>THERE IS NO ROOM FOR NAZIS ANY MORE THAN FOR SOCIALISTS OR >COMMUNISTS
HERE.

>YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN WHAT WE BELIEVE IN.
>GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE IDIOT!!!!!!!
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>GET THE HELL OUT OF THIS NEWSGROUP, NAZI PIG!!!!!!!

Steven you are very laughable.  What is it in what Ian writes that you are
afraid of?  The things he is stated and has given proof of,  researched
are true and fact.  Why would you even bother to state they are not true. 
What personal interest would you or should you have in his revealing these
facts?  Why do you care to make such false statements?  You do not make
sense in your calling truths lies and you loss all credibility.  If you
would bother to educate yourself on these matters and others presented by
Ian and other courteous NA members you will see that the things we have
posted have been rational, fact based and posted with the intention to
assist fellow patriots in learning truths.  This is what MAM should be for
is it not?  The assistance of fellow patriots in the preservation of our
society and the decimation of factual and vital information to use as
tools to educate ourselves to where our true enemies are.  There have been
threats, foul language, & very irrational behavior on the part of a few
unstable individuals in this group and mature dialog by all the NA
members.  You are some how blinded by some false preconception or
assumption Steven and this is a very ineffective way to be.  Just lighten
up, open your closed mind and see that many of us have been in MAM for a
long time, many of us are members of militias, & we are patriots, we are
productive upstanding citizens and family members, we care about our
country and our people.


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In article <846783185$14741@atype.com>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken
McVay OBC) scurries to earn his dirty money:

>In article sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) thoughtfully, with concern for
our Nation >writes:

>Once again [Brain] demonstrates the contempt of white folks held by the
national alliance:

He has never stated this but you have McOiVay.  You are a pack of sick
dogs at Nizcor.  The foam around your mouth is showing McOiVay.

>>Jews have made AMERICA a virtual Jewish utopia!!  Jews have American
>
>Translation: The National Alliance says that white folks are
>too stupid to govern themselves.

Your banter is silly McOiVay.  Why don't you tell the fine MAM people why
Nizcor is here in MAM.  And why Nizcor has been monitoring MAM and is
against the militia movement all together.  Tell them of your connections
to Dees.  Tell them of all your traitorous acts and taking money for
spreading lies about true patriots.  

I think the members of MAM need to know that McVay is not a friend to the
needs of America, the Constitution, nor of our rights to hold the values
of the founding fathers.  He is a paid flunky for the Government and is an
informant who shares compiled and databased info on the militias with Dees
and "law enforcement" agencies so they can frame innocent patriots.

>>slaves providing them free arms deals and BILLIONS of dollars every
>
>Translation: The National Alliance says that the white majority in the
United States >is too stupid to determine how to allocate funds. The
National Alliance will solve >this problem by allocating all funds to
itself.

You look like a fool when you state such ridiculous things.  Every single
time McVay has posted to MAM he is trying to do the thinking for all MAM
readers/participants. 

Translation: Nizcor and McVay think that all members of MAM are idiots and
are unable to read, research, think about, and surmise anything that is
put before them.  This is why he makes sure he and his other paid fools
post after almost every post by an NA member.  They post with outlandish
lies and bizarre jumped at assumptions that no reasonable reader would
have ever concluded from an NA post.  Nizcor doesn't want MAM readers to
think for themselves that is why they use this subtrifuge.   

Nizcor came to MAM to push its party line, to not let MAM readers have a
chance to share information in an adult way.  They want to spoon feed you
crap and to call truths lies.  They treat MAM like a bunch of children and
will not be happy until you parrot what they want you to post.  

Ask yourselves, why is all this banter going on?  Why is Nizcor and Dees
efforts so evident now.  Why do they now not only post with their
undercover accounts/ids but with from their official accounts off their
organization servers?  Why do they fill MAM up with such nonsensical
clutter?  If the things NA members weren't so harmful to the lies they
spew why should they even bother to post sometimes 3 times after NA posts
using the same account and then a few more on others.  

The NA has assisted in fishing out a few of these known enemies of the
militias and has done it all by posting facts that have been of great
interest to our fellow patriots.  Strange isn't it when a government or
special interest trys to suppress the truth?

>>year!   Jews control the media and enforce THEIR values!!  Jews seized
>
>Translation: The National Alliance says that white folks are too stupid
to recognize >and deal with media bias. This clearly says that the
National Alliance thinks you >are incapable of thinking for yourself, and
the National Alliance would like to
>do your thinking for you.

Translation: Nizcor, McOiVay and Dees are against free speech. Nizcor,
McOiVay and Dees could care less about the United States of America. 
Nizcor, McOiVay and Dees do not care about nor honor the Constitution. 
Nizcor, McOiVay and Dees are against militias.  Nizcor, McOiVay and Dees
only care about serving their masters of special interest and in keeping
the dirty money coming.  Nizcor, McOIVay and Dees are the worst kinds of
traitors to America.

>[As I have no interest in middle east politics, the remainder of Mr.
Smith's frothing >has been removed]

McOiVay only cares about Middle East politics when it economically suits
him.  When McOiVay's masters tell him to defend or deny things he jumps
like a good traitorous dog.


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In article <846861494$20890@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:

>In article <846843484$19817@atype.com>, Brian Smith 
>wrote:
>>This is inaccurate.  There are Whites of EVERY White sub-ethnicity in
>>the ALLIANCE:  Nordics, Mediterraneans, Alpines, Dinarics, and
>>Baltics.  The National Alliance is a Pan-Aryan organization.  It
>>stands for those of European descent WHEREVER they may be found!
>
> Wow, Nordics, Baltics, Dinarics.  What about Hooked on Phonics?

Yeah yeah Mike and Lions and Tiger and bears.. oh my...    Were you
threatened by the fact that you had to look these things up and might be
ashamed that you could be a member of one of these sub-ethnicities and not
know your own identity.  

BTW the Hooked on Phonic program is a very good one.  


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In article <846793268$15759@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>In article <846743584$12900@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>>You seem to be disseminating a good deal of propaganda, yourself Mr.
>>Kleim.  You yourself claimed it is now your wish to destroy the
>>National Alliance.  I doubt you will succeed, but you are stooping
>>rather low in your efforts to do so.  

That he is.  Maybe our lonely Arlin can comfort and befriend Milton just
as he has McOiVay and the other Nizcor members.

>really bugs you that your former boss has seen the light, doesn't it
>brianazi?  do you ever lay awake at night wondering what he knows that
you
>don't?  (uh, I mean other than what it feels like to have a woman in bed
>next to you...)
>
>Arlin H. Adams

Arlin you lil old fool.  Milton was never anyones "boss" in the National
Alliance.  Milton was not in the NA for a full year I believe.  In that
year he was never part of an NA Unit, he never attended any NA meetings,
he never met Dr. Pierce, he never met  his Regional Coordinator, nor
anyone else in the National Alliance.  

Milton had trouble finding a girlfriend for what ever personal reasons and
then he met some little skinhead girl.  Her other skinhead friends made
fun of Milton & as he says it "turned her against him".  After this
relationship dissolved Milton went nuts with all sorts of claims as to
attacks against him and eminent defeats ahead of him.  He was unwilling to
take it like a man and learn and move forward.  So instead of looking
inward as to how Milton could have survived these situations and how to
learn from them he lashes out at the NA and Dr. Pierce for not going all
the way to embrace and coddle him like a child.  

The NA is made up of individuals who represent themselves and who are
proud of what the NA stands for..  It is up to every member to read all
the NA literature, to seek out other NA members, to attend Unit meetings,
to contact their Regional Coordinators, to attend any official meetings
they are invited to, and to have the opportunity to hear Dr. Pierce speak
& engage Dr. Pierce in dialog in a formal setting or a private conference.
 Milton only read the literature on http://www.natvan.com  &
http://www.natall.com  he did none of the other things.

Arlin is jealous that now that he has shown his treasonous colors that he
can not be a member of the NA.  I think Arleen envies Mr. Brian Smith. 
Arleen, Brian is sooooo much more of a man than you could ever hope to be.


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In article <846839883$19310@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>Subject:	Re: Doin' that National Alliance Two-Step
>From:	ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ)
>Date:	Fri, 1 Nov 96 9:18:03 GMT
>
>
>In article <846725600$11723@atype.com>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken
>McVay OBC) writes:
>
>>...on second thought, perhaps he should be frightened - he's
>>playing with folks who think nothing of devouring their own....
>>then, of course, there's armed robbery, counterfeiting,
>>bombings and murder. Nice bunch of buddies Mr. Ried has these
>>days. 

[translation: Quick "Arlin" lets make up some new lies and cut and paste
some old ones.  This way we at Nizcor can stop the lurkers and
participants of MAM from going to http://www.natvan.com  &
http://www.natall.com & finding out the truth for themselves.  After all
we know how stupid those militia types can be.  We should do all the
thinking for them]
>
>indeed, oh, and he *writes* like a bot, but then that's to be expected of
>netnazis, isn't it?
>
>Arlin Adams

Again two of a kind are lowered to talking amongst themselves.  What’s the
matter Arleen and McOiVay, concerned no one is going for your pack of
lies.  Will we get to see the online version of you to putting your
crooked lil heads together to think up more hair brained schemes



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In article <846769694$13687@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:

>In article <846725667$11780@atype.com>, AHABIZ  wrote:
>>
>>In article <846687822$7582@atype.com>,
mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>>(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:
>>
>>>they are just a bunch of people who
>>>started calling themselves a militia.
>>
>>uh, Mark, let's just take it as a given that you will never see any of
us
>>as legitimate...that way you wont have to keep writing the same
paragaraph
>>over, and over, and over, and over...eh?
>>
>>Arlin Adams
>
>I don't just write for you, Arlin.  I write for the audience, which is 
>constantly changing.

Ah yes.. sure Mark shine a glimmer of reality onto this dimwit Arleen. 
You see Arlin thinks that MAM is here just for him and his purposes.  This
is why we see almost a hundred posts a day by this cretin.  

It would be nice if Arleen was "constantly changing" and could
metamorphosize into a real person instead of a strange parrot bot.


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>In article <846862386$20980@atype.com>, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource)
writes:

>>In article sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) knowledgeably writes:

>>>So tell me, how many of the people in your group are blonde, blue-eyed
>>>aryans. And will the ones that are not be eliminated?
>>
>>This is inaccurate.  There are Whites of EVERY White sub-ethnicity in
>>the ALLIANCE:  Nordics, Mediterraneans, Alpines, Dinarics, and
>>Baltics.  The National Alliance is a Pan-Aryan organization.  It
>>stands for those of European descent WHEREVER they may be found!
>
>you didn't answer the question, Brian, anymore than you have dealt with
>the issue of your commie systems and the likelihood that your little
group
>would in fact, like most commie uprisings, seize weapons from the
citizens
>after your dream revolution is over.

Wizard you idiot!! Just because some of this knowledge is new to you and
there are some hard to pronounce words (look into Hooked on Phonics)
doesn't give you the right to comment on a post you have not fully read
nor understood.

Mr. Smith so helpfully pointed out that the NA was a Pan-Aryan
organization and he then gave examples of sub-ethnicity’s such as 
Nordics, Mediterraneans, Alpines, Dinarics, and Baltics.  Having stated
this he not only answered the silly blonde haired, blue eyed question and
went far beyond answering it into being quite specific and informative. 

>Address the facts of your movement and your intensely foreign
allegiances,
>eh, Brian? Folks here would like to know more about those aspects.
>
>Mr. Wizard

Wiz you are the one with alien allegiances.


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In article <846863310$21162@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>In article <846798484$16099@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>>many of us will be working with each other.
>
>not likely, little brianazi, not likely at all.  Your masters have had
>plans in the works for some time now, intended, in the event of a general
>uprising, to have your paramilitaries attempt to take out as many of the
>CM leaders as possible, in the vain belief that you nazis could then
seize
>control of the CM.  Not gonna happen, little brianazi, not ever.  Oh, and
>are you beginning to get the impression that your masters' security has
>big gaping holes in it?  You're right!  It does!  Look how they got
>suckered by Andy Strassmeier - all because his grandpa happened to have
>been an ss officer...remember, to 99.9 percent of us the words 'white'
and
>'aryan'  are quaint anachronisms and meaningless in terms of inherent
>value  - so you little nazis can just never know for certain who is
really
>on your side...you might want to think about that.
>
>Arlin H. Adams

Again Arlin just makes up things so he can fill his quota of almost 100
posts a day.  Gee Arlin if your going to make up stories at least make
them longer and full of more detail.  Is this Andy Strassmeier some friend
of yours because I have never heard of him.  And this stupid scare tactic
you have about the NA wasting it's time and efforts in whacking CM leaders
is BS.  The NA does not condone nor permit it's members to commit
senseless violent acts nor to break laws.  There may come a time when the
militias and other citizens of the US including NA members see that it is
necessary to take action to protect or nation from the parasitic rot that
eats away at it now, but until then we are an educational organization.

So stop your silly childrens make believe games Arleen.. what’s the matter
your girdle on too tight?

To see the teachings and agenda of the National Alliance goto
http://www.natvan.com  http://www.natall.com  & listen to American
Dissident Voices.


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In article <846906550$2712@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>In article <846896594$2027@atype.com>, sybesma@netcom.com (Steven D.
>Sybesma) writes:
>
>>Never met a real live feminazi before you.  Pretty interesting you are.

I most certainly am not a feminazi in any sense of the word and especially
not in the vernacular that is used by Rush Limbaugh.  He uses this term to
descirbe UnAmericans, pinkos, eglitarians, homohugging femanists who seek
to destroy true family values.

>uh, Steve, just don't get too close unarmed...
>
>Arlin

Oh I see that Arlin admits he is neither a Gentleman nor a scholar. 
Lovely threatening enuendo Arleen.  Have you also been feeding rat poison
to the neighborhood kittens again?



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In article <846866883$21703@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>In article <846803921$16641@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>>Please give just ONE INSTANCE of NA people "lying" as you have so
>>accused.  
>
>every time they post to the newsgroup.  netnazis also aren't real bright
>about avoiding obvious setups...
>
>Arlin H. Adams

Arlin you are a fool who not only steps in it quite often but is full of
it.  Your assertion that NA members have lied in their posts to MAM is
ridiculous and you know it.  But Arlin it is so obvious that you are
running scared.  You immediately deny the truths posted by NA members no
matter what they are.  You seem to not pick your fights very well.  You
make up the silliest stories no matter how crazy they sound just so you
can tack on some BS about how something so obviously is true is false. 
You post stupid one or two liners at the end of every NA post you can
find.  Some times even 3 or 4 in a row to the same post.  Arlin must like
seeing his "name" come up on his computer.  

Every time Arlin posts he loses what ever credibility or cover he has
previously acquired.  You rant, you burst out in vile diatribe, you make
up silly scenarios and bizarre conspiracy theories.  Arlin, it seems you
ARLIN need the NA to make you feel important.  Kind of sad existence
sitting around waiting for orders from one of your employers.  So "Arlin"
it looks like you feel quantity and not quality are important when posting
on usenet.  You parrot the Nizcor line, you even cut and past such BS. 
You have proven your posts to be that of a pattern of negative rhetoric no
matter what you are commenting on.  If we were to post that your real name
was Arlin H. Adams you would go ahead with your silly pattern and call us
liars and deny  that that is your name.  Strange habits you have Arlin,
very revealing.

If there are still any lurkers who even read your posts once they see
ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) in the header they are sure to just see them for
what they are Fluff and Stomp posts.  You can not refute the truth the NA
posters have provided other MAM readers.  So you have sunk lower than you
were months ago to now scrambling back with silly quips and goofy made up
stories.  You are a sick and sad man(?). 

Arlin is a trumpeter for those who database and monitor MAM and want to
use it against you.  Arlin you are the kind of creature the media loves to
lambaste and display.  Arlin you are the kind of simp that is wrong with
the militias.  Arlin is a trouble maker.  Arlin invited the Nizcor
corporation to infest MAM.  What’s the matter Arlin having trouble
suppressing the truth all on your own so you had to call in the
professional traitors.  Don't act like you did MAM a favor, because
everyone who has to slop through all the negative posts, the death
threats, the lies, the stupid one line baseless posts, the non substantive
swill should think of Arlin every time their download time is longer,
there bills are higher and for the sheer bandwidth being wasted. 

MAM ask yourselves why "Arlin" has the need to post to MAM almost 300 or
more posts a week.  If you check them out you will see that they are all
garbage posts.  They are short stupid remarks to other militia members,
ranting about silliness and general nasty behavior to all concerned and
repeated shadowing of NA posts.  Looks like Arlin is running scared.  Why
else would he not trust MAM members to have the intelligence and sense to
judge other posters as well as NA members posts for themselves.  Arlin
doesn’t think his lies can hold the test of time so he repeatedly shadows
every NA post to tell you what to think.  Hey Arlin I and many of us on
this list already have a “big brother” we don’t need you trying to dictate
the flow of this group.  This is not
rec.militia.arlin.gets-his-jollies.paid for.

If you review the Charter for MAM you will see that there is a way that
MAM can get rid of such disturbances as Arlin.   I call for a vote to get
the 8 initial votes needed to ban Arlin from MAM until he can learn to be
a productive member of MAM.  MAM should be a place to share info, ideas,
and educate each other to the harsh realities around us.  Arlin is just a
negative influence on the list and his posts clutter up the NG everyday.


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n article <846783185$14741@atype.com>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken
McVay OBC) scurries to earn his dirty money:

>In article sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) thoughtfully, with concern for
our Nation >writes:

>Once again [Brain] demonstrates the contempt of white folks held by the
national alliance:

He has never stated this but you have McOiVay.  You are a pack of sick
dogs at Nizcor.  The foam around your mouth is showing McOiVay.

>>Jews have made AMERICA a virtual Jewish utopia!!  Jews have American
>
>Translation: The National Alliance says that white folks are
>too stupid to govern themselves.

Your banter is silly McOiVay.  Why don't you tell the fine MAM people why
Nizcor is here in MAM.  And why Nizcor has been monitoring MAM and is
against the militia movement all together.  Tell them of your connections
to Dees.  Tell them of all your traitorous acts and taking money for
spreading lies about true patriots.  

I think the members of MAM need to know that McVay is not a friend to the
needs of America, the Constitution, nor of our rights to hold the values
of the founding fathers.  He is a paid flunky for the Government and is an
informant who shares compiled and databased info on the militias with Dees
and "law enforcement" agencies so they can frame innocent patriots.

>>slaves providing them free arms deals and BILLIONS of dollars every
>
>Translation: The National Alliance says that the white majority in the
United States >is too stupid to determine how to allocate funds. The
National Alliance will solve >this problem by allocating all funds to
itself.

You look like a fool when you state such ridiculous things.  Every single
time McVay has posted to MAM he is trying to do the thinking for all MAM
readers/participants. 

Translation: Nizcor and McVay think that all members of MAM are idiots and
are unable to read, research, think about, and surmise anything that is
put before them.  This is why he makes sure he and his other paid fools
post after almost every post by an NA member.  They post with outlandish
lies and bizarre jumped at assumptions that no reasonable reader would
have ever concluded from an NA post.  Nizcor doesn't want MAM readers to
think for themselves that is why they use this subtrifuge.   

Nizcor came to MAM to push its party line, to not let MAM readers have a
chance to share information in an adult way.  They want to spoon feed you
crap and to call truths lies.  They treat MAM like a bunch of children and
will not be happy until you parrot what they want you to post.  

Ask yourselves, why is all this banter going on?  Why is Nizcor and Dees
efforts so evident now.  Why do they now not only post with their
undercover accounts/ids but with from their official accounts off their
organization servers?  Why do they fill MAM up with such nonsensical
clutter?  If the things NA members weren't so harmful to the lies they
spew why should they even bother to post sometimes 3 times after NA posts
using the same account and then a few more on others.  

The NA has assisted in fishing out a few of these known enemies of the
militias and has done it all by posting facts that have been of great
interest to our fellow patriots.  Strange isn't it when a government or
special interest trys to suppress the truth?

>>year!   Jews control the media and enforce THEIR values!!  Jews seized
>
>Translation: The National Alliance says that white folks are too stupid
to recognize >and deal with media bias. This clearly says that the
National Alliance thinks you >are incapable of thinking for yourself, and
the National Alliance would like to
>do your thinking for you.

Translation: Nizcor, McOiVay and Dees are against free speech. Nizcor,
McOiVay and Dees could care less about the United States of America. 
Nizcor, McOiVay and Dees do not care about nor honor the Constitution. 
Nizcor, McOiVay and Dees are against militias.  Nizcor, McOiVay and Dees
only care about serving their masters of special interest and in keeping
the dirty money coming.  Nizcor, McOIVay and Dees are the worst kinds of
traitors to America.

>[As I have no interest in middle east politics, the remainder of Mr.
Smith's frothing >has been removed]

McOiVay only cares about Middle East politics when it economically suits
him.  When McOiVay's masters tell him to defend or deny things he jumps
like a good traitorous dog.



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In article <846906567$2745@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>In article <846874088$22364@atype.com>, daddison@lville.mindspring.com
>(Don Addison) writes:
>
>> Except for the obviously intelligent one (I
>>think his name is Strom), they are probably all the same person using
>>various names and fake e-mail addresses to give the illusion of
>>numbers.
>
>oh, I'm reasonably sure that the annazi is a fake - these nazi types
don't
>go in for women who think...as for the others, yeah, there are some
>duplicates, but I'd make it 3, maybe 4 total netnazis, all in all.
>
>Arlin 

Haha ha Arleen..  & no thanks for all the earlier blonde jokes either.

Again Arlin proves he is an idiot or is he just spreading propaganda.  I
am a woman and I am a member of the National Alliance. The National
Alliance has many women members including women in important staff and
leadership positions.  The NA as a rule goes for all Aryans who can think
well and can think for themselves.  

I personally have met, know of and correspond with about 50 NA women &
with about over 100 men infrequently.  I am often to busy with my family
pursuits, kids, husband, projects, books.   Notice that I do not often
post on weekends or yesterday for Samhain/Halloween I am usually too busy
with my wonderful family and caring & intelligent friends.

The NA is a the Largest Pan-Aryan organization & has members all around
the world.  I would assume that a large portion of them are women as we do
make up the majority of creatures on this planet.


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What Arlin is afraid of... the TRUTH  & What Arlin is afraid of... the
TRUTH was Re: note to the supremacist types

In article <846793171$15661@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) supporter
of Morris Dees & Nizcor & militia infiltrator writes:

>guess what, billynazi?  Normal people don't vote for someone because of
the color >of their skin!  In fact normal people don't even care about the
color of another >person's skin but, as Dr. King said "about the content
of their character".  What do >you think people see when they look at the
content of *your* character, billynazi?  >If you don't know, would you
like some possible suggestions?
>
>Arlin H. Adams

"Arlin Adams" it is interesting that you choose to worship the so called
character of "Dr. King".  Let me tell you a few things about "Mr. King"
a.k.a. Michael King. (below)

There has been alot of discussion in this group on many topics.  We are
also inundated with fallacies and deliberate attempts to twist the truth
and to outright lie.  The majority of these actions are being done by a
dozen individuals.  Some claim they are merely monitoring this NG while
others are the alter ids for some you think you can trust and others work
for Morris Dees, Nizcor & ZOG.  5 of these individuals CLAIM that they
support the militias.  I have seen their games and have noticed that what
they do is try to stir up trouble and to get other Militia types to either
fall in line with what they say or to provoke them into making irrational
statements.  Anything that can be brought up and used against the militias
at a later time.  Then all the dialog and posts from this NG are logged
and stored without your permission in the Nizcor database and also logged
for Morris Dees.  These cretins are the same fools who are posting pure
waste of bandwidth after every post by NA members or regular Militia
members who have the ability to think for themselves.  These same vile
creatures spout bizarre conspiracy rhetoric and nonsense.  They act as if
they are coming from some general base of knowledge or have some grasp on
facts or reality.  But this is obviously not the case as their posts show
that they are spittling liars that are parroting the Nizcor, ADL, Dees,
Clinton line.   Just look at how they repeat themselves over and over
again.  They refuse to comment or debate when facts are presented them. 
They are losing a battle when TRUTH is the victor.  

The men and women of the NA stand for higher ideals than these fools can
ever wish to envision.  We love our families, our ancestors, our Nation
(in the sense that it once was great when it honored the Constitution and
stood for what our founding fathers invision and built). We are patriots
in the highest sense.  We give ourselves rules and goals to live by and
achieve.  Do not be fooled when the plants on this NG lump us with
criminals (as they do many of you), and other groups that could not and do
not qualify for NA membership.  The National Alliance has a very large
membership, yet within this great spectrum we find generally higher IQ's,
degrees, & moral character than you will find in some of these general
militias that you have to choose from.  We have members in every social
class, many areas of industry and technology & many white collar /
professional areas.  The thing that makes the NA stand elevated from
others is that we see life as a learning process and that in order to have
a better nation one must first develop and constantly crave and desire
education. We seek to search out truths and are not afraid to share what
we have found along our journey. This is why the National Alliance has an
educational arm/affiliate National Vanguard Books. (go to
http://www.natvan for information on getting catalog and to see the
catalog online  There are over 500 offerings of books, videos, pamphlets &
various audio tapes including most our ADV radio broadcasts on tape).  The
NA also publishes a high quality magazine National Vanguard, it has a
radio show American Dissident Voices (ADV, tune in information at the end
of this post but it can now be listened to on real-time audio via the web
at the site above), a TV cable access show and of course the ongoing
research project and updated publication "Who Rules America" the detailed
cataloging of who owns all the various forms of media in the US.  

Ann Daltyn (NA member speaking for herself from her heart)

Now for the information on King that is had promised:

I would like to point you all to the truth about the type of lies being
taught to our children & perpetrated by our society's present media &
government leaders.

Martin Luther King: The Beast As Saint; The Truth About Martin Luther King
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Copied from a pamphlet by NVB (National Vanguard Books), a transcript of a
speech given by Mr. Kevin Strom on the worldwide radio program ADV
(American Dissident Voices) January 15, 1994 http://www.natvan.com &
http://www.natall.com

When the Communists took over a country, one of the first things they did
was to confiscate all the privately-held weapons, to deny the people the
physical ability to resist tyranny.  But even more insidious than the
theft of the people's weapons, was the theft of history.  Official
Communist "historians" rewrote history to fit the current party line.  In
many countries, revered national heroes were excised from the history
books, or their real deeds were distorted to fit Communist ideology, and
Communist killers and criminals were converted into official "saints."
Holidays were declared in honor of the beasts who murdered countless
nations.  Did you know that much of the same process has occurred right
here in America?

Every January, the media go into a kind of almost spastic frenzy of
adulation for the so-called "Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King, Jr." King
has even had a national holiday declared in his honor, an honor accorded
to no other person, not Washington, not Jefferson, not Lincoln.
(Washington and Lincoln no longer have holidays -  they share the
generic-sounding "President's Day.")  A liberal judge has sealed the FBI
files on King until the year 2027.   What are they hiding?  Let's take a
look at this modern-day plastic god.

Born in 1929, King was the son of a Black preacher known at the time only
as "Daddy King."  "Daddy King" name his son Michael.  In 1935, "Daddy
King" had an inspiration to name himself after the Protestant reformer
Martin Luther.  He declared to his congregation that henceforth they were
to refer to him as "Martin Luther King" and to his son as "Martin Luther
King, Jr."  None of this name change was ever legalized in court.  "Daddy"
King's son's is to this day Michael King.

King's Brazen Cheating
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
According to researcher Michael Hoffman: The first public sermon that King
ever gave, in 1947 at the Ebenezer Baptist Church, was plagiarized from a
homily by Protestant clergyman Harry Emerson Fosdick entitled "Life is
What
You Make It," according to the testimony of King's best friend of that
time, 
Reverend Larry H. Williams.  The first book that King wrote, "Stride
Toward
Freedom", was plagiarized from numerous sources, all unattributed,
according
 to documentation recently assembled by sympathetic King scholars Keith D.
Miller, Ira G. Zepp, Jr. and David J. Garrow.

And no less an authoritative source that the four senior editors of "The
Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr." (an official publication of the Martin
Luther King Center for Nonviolent Social Change, Inc., whose staff
includes King's widow Coretta), stated of King's writings at both Boston
University and Crozer Theological Seminary: "Judged retroactive by the
standards of academic scholarship, [his writings] are tragically flawed by
numerous instances of plagiarism....  Appropriated passages are
particularly evident in his writings in his major field of graduate study,
systematic theology."  King's essay, "The Place of Reason and Experience
in Finding God," written at Crozer, pirated passages from the work of
theologian Edgar S. Brightman, author of "The Finding of God."  Another of
King's theses, "Contemporary Continental Theology," written shortly after
he entered Boston University, was largely stolen from a book by Walter
Marshall Horton.  King's doctoral dissertation, "A Comparison of the
Conceptions of God in the thinking of Paul Tillich and Harry Nelson
Wieman," for which he was awarded a Ph.D. in theology, contains more than
50 complete sentences plagiarized from the Ph.D. dissertation of Dr. Jack
Boozer, "The Place of Reason in Paul Tillich's Concept of God."

According to "The Martin Luther King Papers," in King's dissertation "only
49% of sentences in the section on Tillich contains 5 or more that were
King's own.... "!

In "The Journal of American History" June 1991, page 87, David J. Garrow,
a leftist academic who is sympathetic to King, says that King's wife,
Coretta Scott King, who also served as his secretary, was an accomplice in
his repeated cheating.  Reading Garrow's article, one is led to the
inescapable conclusion that King cheated because he had chosen for himself
a political role in which a Ph.D. would be useful, and, lacking the
intellectual ability to obtain the title fairly, went after it by any
means necessary.  Why, then, one might as, did the professors at Crozer
Theological Seminary and at Boston University grant him passing grades and
a Ph.D.?  Garrow states on page 89: "King's academic compositions
especially at Boston University, were almost without exception little more
than summary descriptions... and comparisons of other's writings. 
Nonetheless, the papers almost always received desirable letter grades,
strongly suggesting that King's professors did not expect more...."
 
The editors of "The Martin Luther King Jr. Papers" stated that"...failure
to King's teachers to notice his pattern of textual appropriation is
somewhat remarkable...."

In "Holiday for a Cheater", Michael Hoffman tells us "...actually the
malfeasance of the professors is not at all remarkable.  King was
politically correct, he was Black, and he had ambitions.  The leftist
[professors were] happy to award a doctorate in such a candidate no matter
how much fraud was involved.  Nor is it any wonder that it has taken 40
years for the truth about King's record of nearly constant intellectual
piracy to be made public." 

Supposed scholars, who in reality shared King's vision of a racially mixed
and Marxist America, purposely covered up his cheating for decades.  The
cover-up still continues.  From the "New York Times" of October 11, 1991,
page 15, we learn that on October 10th of that year, a committee of
researchers at Boston University admitted that, "There is no question but
that Dr. King plagiarized in the dissertation."  However, despite its
findings, the committee said that "No thought should be given to the
revocation of Dr. King's doctoral degree," an action the panel said "would
serve no purpose."

No purpose, indeed!  Justice demands that, in light of his willful fraud
as a student, the "reverend" and the "doctor" should be removed from
King's name.

Communist Beliefs and Connections
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Well friends, he is not a legitimate reverend, he is not a bona fide
Ph.D., and his name isn't really "Martin Luther King, Jr."  What's left? 
Just a sexual degenerate, an America-hating Communist, and a criminal
betrayer of even the interests of his own people. 

On Labor Day, 1957, a special meeting was attended by Martin Luther King
and four others at a strange institution called the Highlander Folk School
in Monteagle, Tennessee.  The Highlander Folk School was a Communist
front, having been founded by Myles Horton (Communist Party Organizer for
Tennessee) and Don West (Communist Party Organizer for North Carolina).
The leaders of this meeting with King were the aforementioned Horton and
West, along with Abner Berry and James Dumbrowski, all open and
acknowledged members of the Communist Party, USA.  The agenda of the
meeting was a plan to tour the Southern states to initiate demonstrations
and riots. 

>From  1955 to 1960, Martin Luther King's associate, advisor, and personal
secretary was one Bayard Rustin.  In 1936 Rustin joined the Young
Communist League at New York City College.  Convicted of draft-dodging, he
went to prison to 2 years in 1944.  On January 23, 1953 the Los Angeles
Times reported his conviction and sentencing to jail for 60 days for lewd
vagrancy and homosexual perversion.  Rustin attended the 16th Convention
of the Communist Party, USA in February, 1957.  One month later, he and
King founded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, or SCLC for
short.  The president of the SCLC was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.  The
vice-president of the SCLC was the Reverend Fred Shuttlesworth, who was
also the president for an identified Communist front known as the Southern
Conference Educational Fund, an organization whose field director, a Mr.
Carl Braden, was simultaneously a national sponsor of the Fair Play for
Cuba Committee, of which you may have heard.  The program director of the
SCLC was the Reverend Andrew Young, in more recent years Jimmy Carter's
ambassador to the UN and mayor of Atlanta.  Young, by the way, was trained
at the Highlander Folk School, previously mentioned.  Soon after returning
form a trip to Moscow in 1958, Rustin organized the first of King's famous
marches on Washington.  The official organ of the Communist Party, "The
Worker" openly declared the march to be a Communist project.  Although he
left King's employ as secretary in 1961, Rustin was called upon by King to
be second in command of the much larger march on Washington which took
place on August 28, 1964.

Bayard Rustin's replacement in 1061 as secretary and advisor to King was
Jack O'Dell, also known as Hunter Pitts O'Dell.  According to official
records in 1962 Jack O'Dell was a member of the National Committee of the
Communist Party, USA.  He had been listed as a Communist Party member as
early as 1956.  O'Dell was also given the job of acting executive director
for SCLC activities for the entire Southeast, according to the St. Louis
Globe-Democrat of October 26, 1962.  At that time, there were still some
patriots in the press corps, and word of O'Dell's party membership became
known.

What did King do?  Shortly after the negative news reports, King fired
O'Dell with much fanfare.  And he then, without the fanfare, Immediately
hired him again as director of the New York office of the SCLC, as
confirmed by the Richmond NewsLeader of September 27, 1963. 

In 1963 a Black man from Monroe, North Carolina named Robert Williams made
a trip to Peking, China.  Exactly 20 days before King's 1964 march on
Washington, Williams successfully urged Mao Tse-Tung to speak out on
behalf of King's movement.  Mr. Williams was also around this time
maintaining his primary residence in Cuba, from which he made regular
broadcasts to the southern US, 3 times a week, from high power AM
transmitters in Havana under the title "Radio Free Dixie."  In these
broadcasts, he urged violent attacks by Blacks against White Americans. 
During this period, Williams wrote a book entitled "Negroes With Guns". 
The writer of the foreword for this book: none other the Martin Luther
King, Jr.  It is also interesting to note that the editors and publishers
of this book were to a man all supporters of the infamous Fair Play for
Cuba Committee.

According to King's biographer and sympathizer David J. Garrow, "King
privately described himself as a Marxist."  In his 1981 book, "The FBI and
Martin Luther King. Jr.", Garrow quotes King as saying in SCLC staff
meetings, "...we have moved into a new era, which must be an era of
revolution.... The whole structure of American life must be changed.... We
are engaged in the class struggle."

Jewish Communist Stanley Levinson can best be described as King's
behind-the-scenes "handler."  Levinson, who had for years been in charge
of the secret funnelling of Soviet funds to the Communist Party, USA, was
King's mentor and was actually the brains behind many of King's more
successful ploys.  It was Levinson who edited King's book, "Stride Toward
Freedom."  It was Levinson who arranged for a publisher. Levinson even
prepared King's income tax returns!  It was Levinson who really controlled
the fund-raising and agitation activities to the SCLC.
Levinson wrote many of King's speeches. King described Levinson as one of
his "closest friends."

FBI: King Bought Sex With SCLC Money 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The FBI had for many years been aware for Stanley Levinson's Communist
activities. It was Levinson's close association with King that brought
about the initial FBI interest in King.  Lest you be tempted to believe
the controlled media's lie about "racists" in the FBI being out to "get"
King, you should be aware that the man most responsible for the FBI's
probe of King was Assistant Director William C. Sullivan.  Sullivan
describes himself  as a liberal, and says that initially "I was 100%
behind King...because I saw him as an effective and badly needed leader
for the Black people in their desire for civil rights."  The probe of King
not only confirmed their suspicions about King's Communist beliefs and
associations, but it also revealed King to be a despicable hypocrite, an
immoral degenerate, and a worthless charlatan.

According to Assistant Director Sullivan, who had direct access to the
surveillance files on King which are denied the American people, King had
embezzled or misapplied substantial amounts of money contributed to the
"civil rights" movement.  King used SCLC funds to pay for liquor, and
numerous prostitutes both Black and White, who were brought to his hotel
rooms, often two at a time, for drunken sex parties which sometimes lasted
several days.  These types of activities were the norm for King's speaking
and organizations tours. In fact, an outfit called The National Civil
Rights Museum in Memphis, Tennessee, which is putting on display the two
bedrooms from the Lorraine Motel where King stayed the night before he was
shot, has declined to depict in any way the "occupants" of those rooms. 
That - according to exhibit designer Gerald Eisterhold - would be "close
to blasphemy."  The reason?  "Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. spent his last
night on Earth having sex with 2 women at he motel and physically beating
and abusing a third."  Sullivan also stated that King had alienated the
affections of numerous married women.  According to Sullivan, who in 30
years with the Bureau had seen everything there was to be seen of the
seamy side for life, King was one of only 7 people he had encountered who
was such a total degenerate.

Noting the violence that almost invariably attended King's supposedly
"non-violent" marches, Sullivan's probe revealed a very different King
>from  the carefully crafted public image.  King welcomed members of many
different Black groups as members of his SCLC, many of them advocates and
practitioners of violence.  King's only admonition on the subject was that
they should embrace "tactical nonviolence.' 

Sullivan also relates an incident in which King met in a financial
conference with Communist Party representatives, not knowing that one of
the participants was an infiltrator actually working for the FBI.  J.
Edgar Hoover personally saw to it that documented information on King's
Communist connections was provided to the President and Congress. And
conclusive information from FBI files was also provided to major
newspapers and news wire services.  But were the American people informed
of King's real nature? No, for even in the 1060's, the fix was in - the
controlled  media and the bought of politicians were bound and determined
to push their racial mixing program on America.  King was their man and
nothing was going to get in their way.  With a few minor exceptions these
facts have been kept from the American people.  The pro-King propaganda
machine grinds on, and it is even reported that a serious proposal has
been made to add some of King's writings as a new book in the Bible.

Ladies and gentlemen, the purpose for this radio program is far greater
than to prove to you the immorality and subversion of this man called
King. I want you to start to think for yourselves. I want you to consider
this:  What are the forces and motivations behind the controlled media's
active promotion of King? What does it tell you about our politicians when
you see them, almost without exception, falling all over themselves to
honor King as a national hero? What does it tell you about our society
when any public criticism of this moral leper and Communist functionary is
considered grounds for dismissal? what does it tell you about the
controlled media when you see how they have successfully suppressed the
truth and held out a picture of King that can only be described as a
colossal lie? You need to think, my fellow Americans.  You desperately
need to wake up.

Bibliography

1. Hoffman, Michael A., Holiday for a Cheater, (Wiswell Ruffin House,
Dresden, New York, 1992)
2. Steffgen, Kent H., The Bondage of the Free (Vanguard Books, Berkeley,
California, 1966)
3. Garrow, David J., The FBI and Martin Luther King, Jr., (W. W. Norton &
Co., New York, 1981)
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I want to set the record straight.  I have known Dr. Pierce personally for
over years and before that for 10 through family, friends and associates
who know him. These are the things I know about a great and wonderful man:

The National Alliance is a professional organization headed by its
Chairman Dr. William L. Pierce.  Dr. Pierce is a very respected and
sophisticated man.  Dr. Pierce comes from a very fine family and is a very
healthy and handsome man.  (despite the trash Arlin wants to spew) Dr.
Pierce enjoys nature and spends rare free time hiking, chopping wood,
enjoying the company of his cats and other woodland creatures of our
Creator, or working around on his rural property.  He is a tall, slim,
strong, man with a warming smile.  Dr. Pierce earned his Ph.D. in physics
and was a respected and tenured professor at University.  He left his
field of study, his prosperous career, and his profitable research
projects and took a vow of poverty. (he supports his private needs through
various real-estate & market investments) He saw the decay of America and
wanted to find a way to educate and reach fellow patriots.  He started by
first working for political campaigns and with other political
organizations and later began his own newspaper tabloid publication.  He
later established what is today the National Alliance and National
Vanguard books.  Dr. Pierce his a highly intelligent and thoughtful man. 
He does not smoke nor take to alcohol and has never done drugs.  He is a
man that lives by honor and works 7 days a weeks all hours of the day to
keep the work of the NA and NVB running smoothly.  All this and he still
finds the time to keep up with his scholarly interests/pursuits, reads
publications and tries to keep in touch with his many professional and
professorial associates as well as all the many NA/NVB correspondences. 
He writes brilliantly wonderful articles and is chief editor for National
Vanguard magazine.  The man is honorable, self sacrificing, and determined
to educate those Americans/patriots that seek to rise above the sheep.

>>"Arlin Adams"
>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) writes:

>>- as can be demonstrated by the fact that, just like a religious
>>cult, you force your membership to 'donate' to weird willie pierce. 
BTW,
>>does weird willie have as many wives as David Koresh did, yet?  or don't
>>they tell you about that sort of thing?
>
> Adhominem.

"Arlin" you are a sick and jealous individual.  You libel and malign
individuals that you obviously know nothing about.  We I will set the
record straight as best as I can.

Membership or participation in the National Alliance is a voluntary thing.
 To be an active member and to receive all the membership publications and
other NA and NVB publications we are asked to give a minimum of $10.00 a
month. (This is less than the cost of just 1 takeout pizza.)  In return
for this small donation we receive many things of greater value.  The
reason to a membership dues base is to have a planned monthly income for
the NA to use for its publications, & mostly for it's ADV broadcasts
(which are very expensive.)  Any funds given to the NA or NVB go right
back into NA or NVB projects and not ever to any individual.
 
> Donations are to the National Alliance and not to Dr. Pierce. The
>National Alliance maintains a world wide radio network for American
>Dissident Voices, which you can hear online at
>http://www.natvan.com/radio/radio.html, as well as hundreds of other
>outreach programs. 

[snip]

> You and your Neo-Marxist Militia leaders seem to enjoy the third
>worlding of America. While we call it treason, you call it "progress".
>
>>> The National Alliance stands for the natural aristocracy of life.
>>
>>*ahem* I *think* you're saying that your really elitists, which is an
important >>admission on your part if you are saying that - but with that
particular sentence >>it's kind of hard to tell.
>
> There is a distinct difference between all groups and individuals in
each group. >Equality does not exist. 
>
> In the statement of our beliefs called "What is the National Alliance,"
you can find >the following:
>
>"The Law of Inequality
>
>Our world is hierarchical. Each of us is a member of the Aryan (or
European) race, >which, like the other races, developed its special
characteristics over many >thousands of years during which natural
selection not only adapted it to its >environment but also advanced it
along its evolutionary path. Those races which >evolved in the more
demanding environment of the North, where surviving a winter >required
planning and self-discipline, advanced more rapidly in the development
>of the higher mental faculties -- including the abilities to
conceptualize, to solve >problems, to plan for the future, and to postpone
gratification -- than those which >remained in the relatively unvarying
climate of the tropics. Consequently, the races >vary today in their
capabilities to build and to sustain a civilized society and, more
>generally, in their abilities to lend a conscious hand to Nature in the
task of >evolution.  Furthermore, just as the races may be ordered
according to their
>levels of development, so may the individuals within a race. Some are
better able >to understand the world around them than others; some are
more creative; some >have better self-discipline or a stronger will; some
have a more highly developed >sense of responsibility. In a well-ordered
society these differences will be reflected >in varying degrees of
influence or control over the course of the society being
>exercised by the various members of the society, according to their
varying >individual qualities.  In contrast to our view is that of the
egalitarians, who believe >that the differences in the levels of
civilization of the different races and the >differences in the social
positions of individuals in our society are purely >circumstantial and can
be changed easily by changing the circumstances: e.g., >the level of
civilization in Black Africa can be brought up to the European level and
>kept there by providing economic and technical aid to make up for past
>"injustices," such as colonialism; and any individual can fill any
position in
>society if he is given certain "advantages," such as good schools and a
good >home environment. Differences in attainment, standard of living, and
degree of >social influence, among races and among individuals, are
therefore unnatural and >unjust and should be done away with, according to
the egalitarians."

[snip]

>Adhominem.
>
> There are no "inalienable rights". Any criminal can point a gun in
>your face and alienate your so-called "rights". The only rights you
>have are the one which you are willing to back up with force.   
>
> Libertarians like yourself, live in a fantasy world, in which all
>people respect the rights of others and live together in harmony. The
>inherent flaw in Libertarian thinking is Human Nature...remember that?
[snip]
>>actually most folks treat me like an American...but then I don't wear a
>>funny uniform everywhere, and look crosseyed at anybody with a tan, like
>>you notional appliance types....
>>
>>Arlin H. Adams
>
> Adhominem.
>
> There are no uniforms in the National Alliance. I suppose this is
another one of >your Neo-Nazi fantasies you got from watching to much TV. 
[snip]

To read & hear the position and publications by the National Alliance and
National Vanguard books goto http://www.natvan.com  & 
http://www.natall.com.  Tune into the radio show American Dissident Voices
and subscribe to "National Vanguard" magazine and/ or to "Free Speech". 
Also get the large book catalog from NVB or check look it trough online.
To give you an idea of what treasures one can find in the National
Vanguard Books catalog here are the section titles: European Prehistory,
Archaeology, and Folkways;  European Legend Myth and Religion;  History of
Western Civilization;  American History;  Second World War;  Western Art; 
Western Philosophy and Ideology;  National Socialist Revolution;  Race
Science and Sociology;  Communism, Zionism, Feminism, and the Jews; 
Survival and Self-Defense;  Fiction: Race and Revolution;  National
Vanguard Back Issues;  Books for Children and Young People;  Videos; 
Large Audio selection of speeches, and thesis, & music;  ADV tapes;  Comic
books, pamphlets and stickers;  Free Speech;  The Turner Diaries on audio
tape read by Dr. William Pierce.


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In article <846816534$17884@atype.com>, sybesma@netcom.com (Steven D.
Sybesma) at it again writes:

>>>Ann Mint >>Tick tock, tick tock...it is the clock ticking for what may be the last
>>>chance to turn America back from her plunge into the new world order

>>>Slop, slop,...it is the sound of the pigs at the socialist trough who 
>>>think they will not make it through life without a government check.

>>>Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...it is the snores of so many apathetic, comatose
people >>>who refuse to vote, refuse to get involved in what is left of
America, and refuse to >>>pray for restoration of our constitutional
republic.

With all the evidence of vote scam it makes our efforts at the poles just
another false hope feed to the sheep so the wolves can run amuck.  Though
I do take my kids with me every year and share with them what is supposed
to mean and what it means today.

>>On Thu, 31 Oct 96 23:03:03 GMT Brian Smith [sbrian@micron.net]
concedingly wrote:

>>: Sorry, you may as well pray until the cows come home.  The
Constitution
>>: ISN'T going to be restored, and can't be restored, until the people
>>: who CREATED the Constitution, the Whites, are FIRST restored.  

>BEAT IT NAZI SCUM!!!!!!!  WE'RE TIRED OF YOUR DAMN LIES!!!!!!!

True the Constitution is not alive today.  Has no hope in the near future
of being restored.  And unless we realize that only in a community of
people that hold the same values, and ideals as their own, who honor the
same things and want to live by the same rules that the premise of
following the Constitution will be voided out by  special interests and
those that merely want the riches our nation has to offer.

>>: If Whites are not separated then they will be dissolved by the New
>>: World Order as planned.  And if they are dissolved you can kiss your
>>: sacred document good-bye.  You should begin caring more for the
>>: creators of the Constitution than foolishly caring more a mere piece
of paper.
>
>I SAY IF A CIVIL WAR ERUPTS, YOU NEED TO BE ON THE N.W.O.'S SIDE SO >THAT
OUR BULLETS CAN HIT TWO TYPES OF SOCIALIST TYRANTS AT THE >SAME
TIME!!!!!!!

Do you always let your scatological thought act at the first violent
thought Steven?

What Mr. Smith states is depressing, disturbing, and not pleasant to think
about but it is true.  There are to many individual special interests in
America today.  That unfortunately the future looks grim.  The USA has be
colonized over and over again.  The best way to secure a healthy society
is to create a community of like kind that have and honor the same
ancestors, that have the same sense of right and wrong, that value family
and honor above all else, a community that shares the same ideology and
respects the creator.

>FIND ANOTHER NEWSGROUP NATIONAL SOCIALIST IDIOT!!!!!!!
>
>Y O U   A R E   N O T   W E L C O M E   H E R E ! ! ! ! ! ! !

One would think the reality is quite different. Judging from all the
positive e-mail exchanges and commradery between other MAM members to MAM
members who are also members of the NA your representation is quite a
closed off view.

>BOTTOM LINE:  YOU ARE NOT MILITIA.  END OF STORY.

The National Alliance members who post and read MAM are patriots in the
purest sense.  We represent Americans who care about our families, or
Nation and our Race.  We are amongst you, we are your friends, your
neighbors, your coworkers, your PTA members, pilots, mechanics, city
council members, your military, helpful police officers, your judges, your
appliance repair person, your authors,  professors, technology developers
and engineers, singers, reporters, teachers, doctors, painters, dentists,
artists, shop owners, an so much more, we are every citizen, we are the
National Alliance.  We care about America, we care about the sons and
daughters of our founding fathers, we care about true patriots.


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In article <847210867$1184@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>In article <847169328$22830@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>>smaceach@polar.Bowdoin.EDU (Scott MacEachern) wrote:
>>
>>>And keep it up, by all means. The more people you have pissed off at
>>>you, the better I like it. 
>>
>>"Liberal social scientist" (i.e., witch doctor) Scott MacEachern has
>>both sides pissed off at him now!
>
>LOL! not really brianazi, you see Scott is an honorable opponent of the
>militia movement, whereas you are a dishonorable enemy of the
>Constitution.  The difference is honor, a concept entirely alien to the
>nazi way of death, er, life....
>
>Arlin H. Adams

Sure just rant and fill your posting quota some more Arlin.  Unlike you
and you led by your masters strings.  We are individual National Alliance
members acting idependantly.  We report to no one we just have to follow
the honor code of the NA etc..  While you Arlin on the other had in order
to keep your masters happy have to follow the talmud in its teaching to be
dishonest, a cheat and a rapist if neccesary as long as it never gets
traced back to harm Isreal..  Sick sick Arlin..

Since you seem to love and embrace Scott and his pals then why have you
added Mr. Ireland to your list to ban? 

 BTW he has also added himself to the list of nonmoralistic scum who have
issued death threats and enuendo to other MAM readers.


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In article <846959585$4664@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

ARLIN IS PROVEN TO BE A FRIENDLY TO ADL, NIZCOR & SPLC (DEES)  [BELOW]

>Subject:	Re: What Arlin laughs at...netnazis!
>From:	ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ)
>Date:	Sat, 2 Nov 96 18:33:05 GMT
>
>
>In article <846919983$3288@atype.com>, anndaltyn@aol.com (AnnDaltyn)
>writes:
>
>>No Arleen it is you who is incorrect. His birth name and legal name til
>>death was Michael King.  Look it up call the MLK foundations.  Check
around.  
>
>GONG! you've got to stop smoking, er, uh, reading, your own propaganda,
>little annazi...or at least realize that no matter how facile your lies
>may be, everyone still sees them to be lies.
>
>[racist rhetoric truncated to reduce nausea]
>
>in my previous message I had written:
>>>yes indeed, you and your fellow nazis have been lying on this newsgroup
>on
>>>a daily, sometimes hourly basis for almost a month now.  Every time you
>>>do, we will call you on it...live with it.  You must also understand,
>>>little netnazi, that we know we scare you, and in fact that is our
>>intent.

Arlin think about, why would anybody be afraid of you??  You are a fool. 
The fact that you even publicly post the above trash only strengthen
peoples resolve not to take you seriously.  

>>> Learn this, memorize this, know this in your heart of hearts that on
the
>>>day of general uprising, the Constitutional Militias, acting indefense
of
>>>the citizens of their communities, and in order to maintain their own
>>>security will have no option but to neutralize *all* of your little
'white
>>>supremacist' groups.  That is the reality, and there is *nothing* which
>>>you can do to change that reality.

The National Alliance does not lump itself in with what you call “white
supremacist groups.”  The National Alliance is the largest and most
professional organization of its kind that requires members to fill out
the application found on http://www.natvan.com   http://www.natall.com  it
expects men & women to be honorable and to not lie or misrepresent
themselves on the application.

>annazi responded:
>>
>>You do not scare me 
>
>Oh, but I *do* little netnazi...in fact we *all* do, that's why you are
so
>terribly desperate to discredit the Constitutional Militias...your
masters
>are *very* unhappy with you, you know - since you've been here, we've
>actually managed to demonstrate the credible nature of our anti-nazi
>stance and program to the public, right here on this newsgroup!  How does
>that feel, little annazi - knowing that your actions have aided we who
are
>your enemies?  What do you think your masters will do to you for aiding
>us?  How do you feel about that?  Do you enjoy that feeling?  Does it
make
>you feel good about yourself? 

It is you Arlin that “discredits” the militias and the good people in
them.  NA members have been MAM independently almost as soon as MAM was
formed.  I and others have participated, read and shared with other
members via e-mail for a long time. Arlin you admit that you are the one
provoking disruption on MAM.  You Arlin are the one who started these
outrageous and unreasonable claims.  It is you Arlin that have found your
self so far from the truth that you will never find your way back.

>[racist rhetoric truncated to reduce nausea]

Translation: Arlin saw that the information presented was a threat to his
continued lies.  Arlin can not discredit them nor make any intelligent
claim about them so he just snips them and runs and hides.

>in my previous message I had written:
>>>Now, do you want to know the truly humorous part of this, little
>netnazi?
>>>The really funny part is that, by showing up here and causing the
ruckus
>>>you have, *you* and your fellow netnazis  are responsible for finally
>>>convincing the leadership of this necessity. 
>
>annazi responded.
>>
>>What the necessity to avoid any confrontation or debate
>
>little netnazi you do not seek to debate, merely to disrupt...and if you
>*want* confrontation in this medium, well that's what you're getting
RIGHT
>NOW!  deal with it!

It is you who seems to be the media whore. It is you Arlin that has the
job to disrupt and discredit MAM.  Why would I or the other NA members
choose to “disrupt” MAM as you claim.  That is childish and hold not value
for us or anyone but Nizcor, ADL, Dees and other informant and idiots as
yourself.

>[racist rhetoric truncated to reduce nausea]

Translation: Arlin does not know how to debate.  Arlin can think of no
silly story to try to discredit the truth.  Arlin runs from facts, reality
and the truth.   See Arlin run.

>I wrote:
>>>Your behavior has been so offensive,
>
>annazi responded:
>>
>>I have at no time been offensive nor have my friends.
>>  It is you Arleen that is a vile little man(?).
>
>you have all been offensive since you slimed your way into our newsgroup.

>In point of fact the very existence of your philosophy is an offense
>against God, nature, and the American way of life.

Interesting how “God, nature, and the American way of life” are the key
items you are choosing to rap yourself in at the moment.  When in the past
you have criticized, attacked and spewed MAM members who truly have a
grasp on what it means to honor these things.

  How does that feel,
>little netnazi - knowing that all of creation finds you offensive?

Arlin you speak for no one but yourself and your masters.  Don’t try to
ruffle your feathers on MAM.  You have no credibility here.  You are a
joke.  You are worthless to the militias and to America.  You Arlin have
been the vile disrupter of MAM. 

 You Arlin have been caught in your sick connections to Nizcor, ADL &
Dees.  The NA members have brought this our and proven it.  Then you
quickly scurried and admitted that you are the one Arlin who invited
Nizcor and ADL (to use public open accounts as well as their hidden
covers) to assist you in disrupting MAM.   Arlin you have violated MAM. 
Arlin is a traitor.  Arlin is in bed with the very agents that want to
destroy the militias.  In fact Arlin & his friends are responsible for the
information that was presented in the Washington Post yesterday about the
Militias on the internet and the threat they are to Clinton’s Communist
New World Order.

 Oh, and
>little nazis, know that I wear your slurs as badges of honor.  If you
ever
>begin to understand the reason why I do so, you *may* start to comprehend
>why everyone and everything around you views you with unbridled
hostility.

Of course you were your title as Zog Agent so well you bragged in another
post that you are ordering the official Nizcor t-shirt or sweatshirt that
says just that.  Do they make them that big Arlin??   Fro those of you 
that would like to see how to spot Arlin in his new Nizcor shirt that he
will wear so proudly you can goto the Nizcor site and see the photos of
other agents in them.

>I wrote:
>>>your blatant and open disregard for the Constitution so obvious, and
the
>>inherently >duplicitous and evil nature of your philosophy made so
>>apparent, that any possible >doubts have been erased from our minds.  To
>>put it simply, you are responsible for >having brought your own doom
upon
>>you.

>annazi responded:
>>I have no disregard for the Constitution
>
>GONG!  the stated goals of your organization include the destruction of
>the Constitution and the freedoms it guarantees for all Americans.  Lying
>will get you nowhere, little annazi, nowhere at all.

Arlin get a grip this is more diatribe from your masters.  I care about
America.  I come from a line of founding fathers, first families of
Maryland, Virginia and the northern colonies.  (My families even signed
the Magna Carta’s many versions).   I honor my ancestors.  I have never
ever said that I don’t believe in the Constitution.  You can try to repeat
lies many times Arlin but this does not make them any more real.

>[racist diatribe truncated to reduce nausea]

Translation: Arlin is afraid that if you see the truth I have posted about
him or the reasonable evidence I have shown that you will not fall for his
lies du jour.

>annazi wrote:
>>  My family came to America
>>and governed the new world since the mid 1600's.  I come from a long
line
>>of patriots, founding fathers, and American heroes.
>
>then how shameful that you should dishonor them so!

Jealous Arlin pouts, had to move his big belly off the keyboard to reach
for a tissue and wishes he could be so honorable.

>I wrote:
>>>Know that, live with that, and perhaps some night, in the wee small
>hours
>>of the >morning, you may even have the courage to begin to ask the
>>question "why?".
>
>[racist diatribe truncated to reduce nausea]

I love the things you have chosen to cut. Proves alot Arlin.   Afraid
others will follow up on the trail of bread crumbs you have left to Nizcor
and the ADL.  

>annazi wrote:
>>Arlin H. Adams
>
>as I have already explained to your fellow netnazis, I *always* use my
>real name - for I have no fear of the truth.  Up until WW I the family
>name was _Adam_  and in fact I am not only more 'aryan' than any of you,
>but of Prussian descent as well...deal with it, little netnazi, deal with
it!
>
>Arlin H. Adams

Interesting how Arlin likes to claim he is more Aryan than others.  It
seems that no matter who he attacks on MAM he is either “smarter” than
they are worships a better god in a better way, and now is of purer
ancestry according to the Arlin scale of racial purity.  You are such a
sick man Arlin.  You thrive on your vile attacks to all MAM since no one
in the real world likes you.  


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In article <846966802$5314@atype.com>, charri3122@aol.com (CHarri3122)
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>Subject:	Re: Olympic bombing see what you think?
>From:	charri3122@aol.com (CHarri3122)
>Date:	Sat, 2 Nov 96 20:33:22 GMT
>
>It shure is funny it came out three mounths befour the bombing. I smell a
>SPLC coverup. I know for a fact that story NOT come from where adams says
>it did. AlSO linda Thompson had nothing to do with it. I think the splc
is
>pulling all stops to cover this up.
>rambo

I had heard rumors about it but blew it of as a conspiracy theory.  

You are right Adams is definitely covering something up as are the feds. 
But I am sure all us good people at MAM can did up some more info on that
plan & where it originated.

I have been told that the Olympic bombing was part of a plan for Clinton
and his masters to show cause for some very restrictive legislation and
more violations of the constitution.  I have been told by sources close to
and in the WhiteHouse that Clinton is a vocal proponent of NWO but more so
because he some how views his version of it as a pure form of
Communism.(what ever he sees that as being)  Not the old “Soviet
Communism” that was just plain and simple economic Socialism.  Remember
Clinton was a card carrying Communist party member.  He did work against
the US in Russia and Europe instead of doing his duty as a citizen.  His
wife was a lefty lesbian with her black college dorm mate & has made some
rather disturbing connections since then. 


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In article <847097284$17152@atype.com>, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource)
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>Subject:	NATIONAL ALLIANCE CYBERWAR CAMPAIGN RIBBONS
>From:	pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource)
>Date:	Mon, 4 Nov 96 8:48:04 GMT
>
>Hi Folks:
>
>Given the current and sometimes humorous cyber-war going on in this
>newsgroup between the National Alliance types and the rest of us, I think
>we should define campaign ribbons for the combatants. I would like to
>suggest the following:

Alot of the more humorous discourse comes from others who call themselves
members of the “White or Aryan Movement” not National Alliance members who
are very different indeed.

>1.  For issue to those aligned against the National Alliance:
>
>a ribbon with a green background (symbolizes life and freedom) with a
pair
>of narrow black stripes overlaid on broad red ones to symbolize the
>National Alliance's thin nazi veneer on a basic commie ideal system.
>
>2.  For issue to the National Alliance kiddies:
>
>A hot pink ribbon with a broad yellow stripe signifiying their status as
>cowardly philosophical cross-dressers.
>
>What do you all think?
>
>Mr. Wizard

Looks to me like you have proven that you are in the militia only to play
dress up.  That you crave attention and want a cookie or ribbon for your
efforts to assist the ADL and Nizcor and Dees.

So tell us Wiz what do you have to do on a regular basis to get your
account through Nizcor?? That’s right Wiz run scared now that the militias
and MAM have been let in on your dirty little secret.  Ramble out some
more lies.

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In article <847093936$16833@atype.com>, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource)
writes:

> sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) writes:
>
>>He values feminine passivity as some sort of moral superiority
>
>think about this statement, Ann Daltyn. Then consider the articles saying
>your brain is 10% smaller than Brian's. Do you -really- want to be just
>kept as a toy? These kids won't stop with the blacks and Jews, you know.

Your sick dirty mind is in over drive Wiz.  Mad because we waited til now
to blow your Nizcor cover?  Perhaps Wiz is projecting his views of women
or what he sees as the militias views toward women, but the National
Alliance is very family oriented.  The men and women of the NA value
nothing more sacred than their honor, their word and their duties (to
wife/husband, family, Nation and race)

>In article <846990317$8101@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>>I already have my beliefs, thank you.  And I have made those quite
clear.  
>
>yep ... especially your love for marxist economics, hatred for the
>constitution, and contempt for the United States.

Mr. Smith is none of those things and you just spout things that you can
not back up with any proof.  Sorry Wiz.. you will get no cookie for this
one.

>Mr. Wizard

The National Alliance has great respect for women.  In fact members honor
women and hold the family holy.  I have come across only gentleman in the
Alliance who value women and respect them.  There are women Unit
Coordinators and organizers.  Women play important roles in all of the
National Alliances projects.  Your sick lies don't hold.   I have always
been very impressed with the NA members that I meet from around the world.
 When is the last time Wiz opened a door for a lady, stood as she entered
the room, stood as she got out of her chair, assisted her with a box, or
in general was polite courteous and respectful.   Because these are the
things that I have seem that individuals of the NA do.  We are an
organization of ladies and gentleman or great caliber.

Now lets talk about the militias.  I don't see women being treated with
respect. I don't see women in leadership roles.  I don't even see women
allowed to attend most of your functions let alone training exercises.  I
have seen many militia men on this list use only the term Men or Man when
referring to patriots and those among them with integrity.  I have seen
militia men who were quite abusive to women in general. It seems it is the
militias in general that can not attract a wide spectrum of woman. (and
certainly not enough white collars, scholars, and professionals as the NA)
 This could be due to your attitudes.  Then you say but how can the NA
attract so many strong, dedicated, beautiful (inside & out), intelligent
women??  well that is because the NA and NVB first are an educational
organization.  The National Alliance values knowledge, education and those
who have a drive to constantly improve themselves and to learn.  The
National Alliance is dedicated to it's members as the NA members are
dedicated to the survival of their race.  goto http://www.natvan.com  
http://www.natall.com  and see for yourself.

And as for your assertion that Mr. Brian Smith is a threat to me it is so
far from reality it is quite sad.  Mr. Smith and I (as with other NA
members) respect and love each other.  He is a very dear man and close
family friend.  You will not be able at any time to ever show any evidence
of your sick perverted ideas of what you think or are paid to try to make
others think the NA is.  


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Charles A. Lindbergh was a Nationalist and a Great Patriot

"We must learn from Athens and Sparta. America's bond with Europe is a
bond of Race and not political ideology. If the White Race were ever
seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to take our part in its
protection, to fight side by side with the English, the French and the
Germans, but not with one against the other for our mutual destruction." 
- Charles A. Lindbergh

>From  a series of articles by Mr. Ron McVan:

People can equivocate which elements determine the making of a hero.  And
most all will vary greatly in many degrees and perceptions.  As heroism,
not unlike genius, covers and equally broad spectrum.  America has had its
share of great Aryan heroes in the past, but in today's anti-heroic age, a
hero of true greatness is a unique and rare individual.  Such a man was
Charles A. Lindbergh, and certainly few have been more celebrated in this
century.  Lindbergh was a man of the hour and captured the hearts and
spirit of his time.

At the young age of 25, Lindbergh, already skilled as a pilot, dared to
fly solo across the Atlantic between New York and Paris.  Six pilots had
previously braved the challenge; all had died in the attempt.  Like the
brand of all true heroes, Lindbergh was not concerned with the fateful
odds before him.

On the morning of May 20, 1927 Charles A. Lindbergh took off from the rain
soaked Roosevelt Field on Long Island in his heavily loaded plane. 
Thirty-three hours and thirty minutes later after flying through fog,
rain, storms and ice, and after desperately fighting against sleep (he had
not slept the night before his departure), Lindbergh landed at Le Bourget
Aerodrome near Paris.  His flight won the Orteig Prize and it brought him
fame and acclaim far beyond his wildest expectations.  Life would never be
the same again for the mid-western farm boy and former air mail pilot.

Lindbergh's father, Charles A. Lindbergh Sr., was born in Sweden, reared
in rural Minnesota and graduated from law school at the University of
Michigan.  He practiced in Little Falls, Mi.  Windowed in 1898, he then
married Evangeline Lodge Land, the chemistry teacher in the local high
school.  She was of English, Scottish and Irish decent and ,also graduated
>from  the University of Michigan.  Both parents were racially proud,
intelligent and independent people.

Charles Sr. soon took up a career in politics.  He was agrarian, confident
and insurgent.  Sharing the views of the earlier populists, the elder
Lindbergh understood that it was the Jewish special interest groups in
particular which caused most of America's ills at home and abroad.  Those
considerations led him to oppose American entry into World War I (which
was in reality a war over Palestine).  In his book, "Why Is Your Country
at War?" he urged an independent foreign policy for the U.S.  Defeated in
his bid for the Senate in 1916, he never again won an election to public
office. Standing firm, with great integrity against a tide of abusive and
unfair attacks, Lindbergh Sr. never wavered in what he knew was right and
his undaunted pursuit of truth.  This was a noble trait that the young
Charles would, also, inherit.

As a young boy Lindbergh did not share his father's interest in politics. 
Nonetheless, he greatly admired his father with glowing admiration and
pride.  All great men have tremendous vision and perception far beyond the
common concerns of everyday life.  It was not long before Lindbergh felt
the same natural instincts burning in his soul, as it did with his father
before him.

On May 27, 1929 Charles married Anne Morrow, whom he had met on a business
trip to Mexico City.  Anne was an attractive, intelligent and talented
writer, a graduate of Smith College.  A shy and good natured woman, she
was the ideal mate for Lindbergh. The couple eventually had six children,
four boys and two girls.

What seemed like the perfect honeymoon was far from idyllic.  The news
media hounded the couple at every opportunity.  In an attempt to find a
moment's privacy they took to the water in a cabin boat.  When news
photographers discovered the boat in which they were cruising they pursued
them in a speed boat and demanded the couple come on deck for pictures and
questions.  When Charles and Ann refused, the newsmen circled the
Lindbergh's boat for six hours, rocking it from the wake of their
speedboat and throwing bottles.  Charles and Anne finally escaped them and
headed out to open sea.

Lindbergh was learning fast about the realities of the controlled media,
government and world political climate in general.  For Charles and Anne
Lindbergh, the facade of the great American dream was fast becoming a
terrible nightmare.

Having been denied their right to inalienable privacy, they became
refugees from the tyranny of yellow journalism, forced to move from state
to state and nation to nation.  As bad as it seemed at the time, the worst
had only just begun.

On March 1, 1932 their curly-headed 18 month old son, Charles A. Lindbergh
Jr., was kidnapped from his crib in their new home and murdered.  After
location the boy's body in a shallow grave a few miles from their home,
the police captured a suspect.  In one of the most publicized trials in
history, the suspect, Bruno Richard Hauptmann, was tried an convicted, but
his guilt never verifiably proven.  Charles never forgave media press
photographers for breaking into the morgue to photograph their son's
corpse.

No longer able to withstand the rudeness, corruption and politics of
America that was bearing down on them, the Lindbergh’s moved to England to
a small, quit town of weald in Kent.  Here they found time to read, study
and write.  Lindbergh, also, involved himself in scientific work in
collaboration with French physician and scientist, Dr. Alexis Carrel. 
Carrel, whose scientific accomplishments had been awarded a Nobel Prize in
1912, had the most stimulating mind Lindbergh had ever encountered. 
Lindbergh and Carrel had previously worked together a the Rockefeller
Institute in New York developing a pump which was the precursor for the
artificial heart.  Carrel maintained a keen interest in genetics and Races
of man.  In a book written in 1935, Carrel stated that man was definitely
not created equal.  "Scandinavians are the most highly civilized," he
wrote.  He also stated that, "Instead of encouraging the survival of the
unfit and defective, we must help the strong. Only the elite makes the
progress of the masses possible."

Lindbergh shared Carrel's belief that the Aryan race was endangered. 
Mankind's future, both agreed, was itself reliant on the Aryan race.

Col. Lindbergh became fascinated by Germany in general, and by German air
power developments in particular.  He greatly admired German efficiency,
spirit and scientific and technological accomplishments.  Lindbergh
understood and sympathized with German attitudes and actions in the
1930's, as he had a keen grasp of the vital importance of Aryan Survival,
both genetically and culturally.  In 1936 General Goering and the German
Air Ministry extended an invitation for Lindbergh to visit and inspect the
new German civil and military air establishments.  Lindbergh accepted.

Although Col. Lindbergh never met Adolf Hitler, he stated, "With all the
things we criticize, he is undoubtedly a great man.  And I believe he has
done much for the German people."  Lindbergh, also, remarked that, "The
growth of German military aviation is, I believe, without parallel in
history."  He considered Germany and Italy "the two most virile countries
in Europe."  He considered the Germans "an extremely intelligent and able
people, close to our own, and it seems that there should be a way of
working with them, rather than against them."

Lindbergh's tour of Germany provoked much criticism back in America. 
Criticism became even more vehement when in the 1930's Field Marshall
Hermann Goering presented Lindbergh with a high German Medal of Honor for
is services to aviation, including his historic solo flight across the
Atlantic.  Later, during the war years, there was continued pressure on
Lindbergh for FDR and his administration to return the medal.  Lindbergh
saw nothing constructive gained by returning decorations which were given
in periods of peace and good will.  Despite consistent Jewish media
pressure Lindbergh replied, that s far as attacks on him went, he didn't
give a damn.  He never returned the medal.

Like his father before him, Lindbergh became a staunch
non-interventionalist to foreign wars that were not America's business. In
an event, Lindbergh became convinced that a war between Germany on the one
side and Britain and France on the other would be a tragedy, whichever
side were to win.  It would in his view be "a fratricidal conflict that
would destroy the inherited genetic and cultural treasures slowly built by
Western civilization over the course of countless centuries. The best
blood of Europe will be dead when it is over."

On April 20, 1939 [Hitler’s Birthday] after going on active duty with the
Air Corps Col. Lindbergh had his only meeting with the Jewish-American
president Franklin E. Roosevelt.  In Roosevelt he found the consummate
political phony, "too suave, too pleasant, too easy".  Lindbergh recalled
that the experience was 'like talking to a person wearing a mask".

Lindbergh never trimmed his statements and actions to win popularity, to
please friends or to appease foes.  He pridefully guarded his independence
and integrity.  As he told a Chicago audience, "I prefer to say what I
believe or not to speak at all."

>From  September 1940 until December 7, 1941[Pearl Harbor Day], the America
First Committee was the most powerful isolationist pressure group in the
United States.  And from the time he joined in April 1941 until Pearl
Harbor nearly eight months later, Charles A. Lindbergh was the committee's
most popular and controversial speaker.

Col. Lindbergh addressed his first rally as a member of the America First
at the Chicago Arena on April 17, 1941.  Ten thousand people crowded in to
hear him with an overflow of some 4,000 outside.  Two months later on June
20, 1941 Lindbergh spoke at the Hollywood Bowl to an estimated crowd of
60,000 - 70,000, which at that time was the largest attendance ever
amassed at that stadium.

Lindbergh's controversial speech in Des Moines, IA on September 11, 1941
was the only public address in which he spoke freely about the Jewish
menace in America.  In that speech he listed the Jews, along with the
British and Roosevelt administration, as the three most important groups
pressing the U.S. into war. [as we know today that he was very correct]
Lindbergh's reference to the British as "war agitators" did not greatly
increase attacks upon him, and only rarely was he charged with being a
Anglophobe.  In striking contrast, however, his reference in the same
breath to the Jews as "war agitators" brought, as usual, a torrent of
charges that he was anti-semitic.

Just prior to the Des Moines speech on May 1, 1941 Lindbergh made this
diary entry, "Most of the Jewish interests in the country are behind the
war, and they control a huge part of our press, radio and most of our
motion pictures."  After the speech a woman in Illinois wrote Lindbergh,
"I have never so respected and deeply admired any man as I do you! Your
wonderful fight against the involvement in this war was climaxed by your
truthful and courageous speech last night in Des Moines.  I thank God that
we have me like you of indomitable courage and undying faith in the
American tradition! Mr. Lindbergh, you would make a great American
President."  Countless others responded with similar enthusiasm.  Public
opinion polls of the time indicated that 80% of the American people
opposed entry into World War II.  FDR was elected by promising them that
he would not send American troops abroad to fight a European war.

After the Des Moines speech former president Herbert Hoover told Lindbergh
that the speech had been a mistake and that in politics on e "learned not
to say things just because they are true".  Lindbergh's response was that
that was one of the reasons he did not wish to be a politician.  He would
rather say what he believed that "measure every statement" he made "by its
probable popularity".

On October 30, 1941 in Madison Square Garden, New York at an America First
Rally, Charles A. Lindbergh was a moving speaker.  Lindbergh reached out
to his fellow Americans and touched the hearts of many.  This gathering
remains one of the largest pro-Nationalist Socialist gatherings ever held
on American soil.

On December 7, 1941 Japan bombed Pearl Harbor [it has since been proved
that FDR, under great Jewish pressure and the statement that "they did it
in WWI and they could do it in WWI (the Jews make the US go to war), and
Churchill both knew about the planed attack and chose not to defend
against it in order to insure the US entry into WWI] and American entered
the war, as it was pre-planned by the world powers.  Charles Lindbergh was
nearly 40 years old, married and the father of three living children. 
Lindbergh was to learn that FDR and his administration would block him at
all efforts to serve in the U.S. Armed Forces.  In his journal Lindbergh
wrote, "I have always stood for what I thought would be to the best
interests of this country, and now were are at war, I want to take my part
in fighting for it, foolish and disastrous as I think the war will prove
to be. Our decision has been made, and now we must fight to preserve our
national honor and our national future. I have always believed in the past
that every American citizen had the right and duty to sate his opinion in
peace and to fight for his country in war. But the Roosevelt
Administration seem to think otherwise."

Not until Nearly four months after Pearl Harbor was Charles A. Lindbergh
able to secure a position which would let him use his knowledge and skills
for the nation's war effort.  It was another Aryan American hero, Henry
Ford, who provided that opportunity.

At the close of the World War II Lindbergh, not unlike Gen. Patton, could
not help but feel the deep irony of American media propaganda on the
German people.  Using the biblical term, "judge not that ye be judged," he
stated, "What the German is claimed to have done to the Jew in Europe, we
are doing to the Jap in the pacific."  Surely FDR and Churchill both took
sides with the bloodiest butchers of the century, Joseph Stalin and Mao
Tse Tung, who collectively slaughtered over 100 million of their own
people.  Lindbergh was to state after the war, "We have destroyed Nazi
Germany only to find in doing so, we have strengthened communist Russia,
behind whose 'iron curtain' lies a record of bloodshed and oppression
never equaled."

As the years passed after the war some military dignity was restored to
Lindbergh.  The Air Force promoted him to Brigadier General.  From early
childhood until his death in 1974 at the age of 72, Charles A. Lindbergh
walked the path that only heroes dare to tread.  With great honor, pride,
confidence and dignity he met all challenges that came his way and stood
firm in his love and commitment for his nation and his folk, the Aryan
race!  A true hero of the deed.

May our future generations never forget this giant and heroic legend of
our time.  For the highest a man can attain is the heroic course in life. 
His strength is the strength of the folk, their strength is his glory.

[the author of this article is writer, artist and crafts person Mr.
RonMcVan a member of the 14 Words Press]

"All government, in its essence,is a conspiracy against the superior man;
its on permanent object is to oppress him and cripple him."  - H. L.
Mencken

If you too posses and value the qualities that Lindbergh had and honored
then we invite you to visit http://www.natvan.com  & 
http://www.natall.com  and to also tune in to our radio program Americn
Dissident Voices.  For more information on the airing times, membership
applications, and the online educational publishing arm of the National
Alliance, National Vanguard books see the site above.


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In article <847154894$21241@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
writes:

>Subject:	Formal Request to ban Arlin Adams
>From:	thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>Date:	Tue, 5 Nov 96 0:48:14 GMT
>
>
>>I do not make threats, billynazi, for threats are merely empty gestures.

>>I give warnings, which since you have no concept of fair warning you
>>wouldn't understand, and I make *promises*.  Now that you have, by
virtue
>>of posting it, acknowledged receipt of my fair warning, that was all
that
>>was neccessary.  I know you don't understand that, but perhaps in time
you
>>will learn.
>>
>>Arlin H. Adams
>
>
> Due to the use of threats and intimidation, Arlin has shown that he
>is incapable of sharing this NG with others. He is also a threat to
>free and open discussion of milita related topics. Therefor, I ask the
>moderator to ban Arlin.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Vincent  thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)

I add my name (to the needed list of 8) to the process to ban Arlin H.
Adams.  As I have stated in other posts with similar thread names Arlin
has proven that he is an enemy of MAM, a traitor, a man who spews voilent
inuendo, who invites his friends the enemies of all true patriots to MAM
(Nizkor and other ADL front organizations, and Dees flunkies)

Ann Daltyn


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In article <847123393$18160@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:

>In article <847119785$17947@atype.com>,
>Richard Kann   wrote:
>>
>>Its seems every election the American Communist party had a condidate
>>for president. This year none. Does that mean they back Klinton?
>
>Your question piqued my curiosity, so I browsed until I found the
Communist 
>Party USA web site and scanned it.  Although there is no explicit
>endorsement, 
>the different items I read there seemed to make it clear that they wanted

>people to vote Democrat "as the lesser of two evils."


Amazing isn't it.  I have been at some public and social functions and
their were some members of the communist party there.  They stated that in
fact they had people in the WhiteHouse in high positions.  They also
stated that they were actually courted by the Klinton people and that
Klintons personal idea of a New World Order is that of a "pure" communist
ideal.  (not like what was called Soviet Communism which was really
economic Socialism).  This and the fact that the jewish lobbies are
pushing the same effort is very revealing.  

Just watch, even if Klinton does not will a state by popular vote that
nifty bought and paid for Electoral College will be sure to do the NWO
promotion.  

Not to mention all the new citizens that were quickly sworn in ahead of
schedule (due to some speakers scheduling problems and hall or stadium
scheduling problems.. yeah right).  These same citizens are now told that
they are in a "Democracy" and then they are given forms to become voters..
there has been proof that the way it is presented and the fact that they
were told to give allegiance to Klinton and by the literature present that
they thought they HAD to register Democrat.  

Lets see how many illegals and dead people vote this year.


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>In article <846725667$11780@atype.com>, AHABIZ  wrote:
>>
>>In article <846687822$7582@atype.com,mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>>(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:
>>
>>>they are just a bunch of people who started calling themselves a
militia.
>>
>>uh, Mark, let's just take it as a given that you will never see any of
us
>>as legitimate...that way you wont have to keep writing the same
paragaraph
>>over, and over, and over, and over...eh?
>>
>>Arlin Adams
>
>I don't just write for you, Arlin. I write for the audience, which is
constantly changing.

In article <846978524$6882@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:

>Subject:	Re: Militia are NOT Neo-Nazis. Let's Close Ranks
>From:	mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage)
>Date:	Sat, 2 Nov 96 23:48:44 GMT
>
>> AnnDaltyn  wrote:
>>Ah yes.. sure Mark shine a glimmer of reality onto this dimwit Arleen.
>>You see Arlin thinks that MAM is here just for him and his purposes. 
This
>>is why we see almost a hundred posts a day by this cretin.
>>
>>It would be nice if Arleen was "constantly changing" and could
>>metamorphosize into a real person instead of a strange parrot bot.
>
>Arlin Adams is a person with whom I have serious and perhaps
irreconcilable 
>philosophical, ideological and practical differences.  Nevertheless, I
would 
>rather have a hundred of him posting in this newsgroup than one of you.

Of course you would Mark, because no matter how stupid Arlin is and how
silly his assertions he is constantly being made to look like a fool by
you, other MAM posters, militia members & NA.  But us independent NA
members on the other hand represent a strong willed group of people who
rise to action through their LOVE and convictions for their family and
race.  This honest dedication you find admirable but frightening.  Arlin
as we can all see is a hollow empty shell of a man who is in bed with
Nizcor and Dees due to his lack of honor and personal monetary needs. 
While on the other hand NA members hold nothing more sacred than love and
honor.  It is what keeps the Aryan fire warming our hearts.  It is what
guides us and lets us move through adversity.  We will not let material
things defeat us. We glow with a beauty of truth.  This, these realities
make it hard for you to control us.  These truths, this badge of honor we
wear externally and internally is what you can not understand. 

Mark like Arlin and some others you too seem lost or just whores to the
Nizcor, JDL paycheck.  You don't seem to know your place.  You seem to
function but with out an understanding why.  You seem to lack a higher
connection.  Mark if your true goal is really study then I would think you
should be open minded.  But perhaps the fact that in you & your "work" you
have been seen to be of some value to Dees & the JDL & Nizcor and that it
confuses you as to what it really all is about.  I can tell you that
immediate gratification is not the final reward.  Don't be fooled.  Find
you own path.  

The members of the NA who have been readers, posters, and participators of
MAM, some since its start, have only reached out a hand to fellow
patriots.  We honor the constitution and what it stood for, we honor our
countries founding fathers.  But yet like many of you MAM we honor all
things as individuals and in different ways.  Like many of you MAM we are
freethinking individuals, we have no "masters" as Arlin and a few suspect
individuals would have you believe.  We act out of no orders.  We
participate in an social activity, online activity or political activity
that we choose.  

And we most certainly are not communists.  But we all know who has been
the biggest bell ringer with that lie.  A creature named Wizard the we
have ignored.  He acts as NA being here is some big conspiracy.  Well it
is not.  I do not waste me time playing silly tag games with others who
are NA and who are my friends to do anything on MAM.  We just go with our
hearts, in our own time, being just that individual patriots.  Why have I
not bothered to respond to Wizards silly Commie baiting questions?? 
Because when I first saw his rhetoric a friend of mine did a background
check on his provider.  This Wizard posts out of the Nizcor server and is
a plant for getting MAM members to say things as stupid as Wizard does. 
If you go to the Nizcor site you will see that they log many of the
threads and posts from MAM, they have files on them and Nizcors work is
what becomes ADL reports.   goto http://www.natvan.com  or/&
http://www.natall.com  listen to ADV make your own decision.  

Nizkor (I and others call them Nizcor as not to give them the power of the
word that the find so holy.  The word they use to suppress the goy) is a
hebrew name they are working for those who would suppress all militias,
all gun ownership, and all forms of protecting ones family and job from
baseless attacks.  Members of Nizcor have forged a few posts on MAM in the
last few days.  Members of Nizcor have done investigations with anyone
that the JDL doesn't seem to like and then drops information into peoples
employers hands.  Just remember who openly asked NIZCOR to come here out
in the open as well as from their "covered" accounts...  It was Arlin..   
Just look at who brought up the Holocost in MAM..  NIZCOR!!... them MAM
members including NA asked them to take it to the appropriate group.  Look
who are the only ones I have seen who cross post...  NIZCOR!!  These cross
posts have brought some trolls off of other NGs that would not have
normally come to MAM.  Yes, some of these call themselves white power..
but the ones who use foul language and do not identify themselves as NA
members and ones we can not identify are not NA. (and most could never
qualify to be NA).  Who trashed MAM??  ARLIN & NIZCOR & ADL & DEES...  not
NA.    Some of you will say that you have seen some threads where some NA
are repeatedly having to point out truths to some silly & thick headed
people who claim this that so obviously are true (if they would only
bother to research).  The reason that some of us have jumped up and had to
delve deeper into history and into motive of persons in history is to yet
again show more and more references, resources to find this info, text,
speeches to support things some of us have previously stated in a friendly
sharing way and then become lambasted by weirdoes who want to call an
apple a fig.

 I point this out because I know alot of you have been having a hard time
following the threads given the vast quantity of silly posts by Arlin, &
the threatening and vile posts by others (to each other and to NA).  Heck
some of these weasels that you all see on MAM have sent me & my family
death threats.  Sick men who have lost when they try to fight the truth
with lies so they threaten out of frustration or weakness.  So I see that
many militias allow or accept ungentleman-like behavior, and seem to be
lacking a code of honor.  Or do these vile creatures just hide their
tendencies from you in hopes of playing big cheese on Rambo weekends.  I
know many in the militias and those that I do know are ladies and
gentleman (no matter how sophisticated their military skills are) who live
by a code of honor and who are very productive, rational, intelligent
persons.
mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) has been proven to
be working with Sheldon Sheps.

Sheldon Sheps    juggler@interlog.com (sheldon sheps)
Toronto, Canada
Militia - History and Law FAQ
http://www.sff.net/people/pitman/militia.htm    (anti-militia)

"Annie Alpert, OFB" 
Laura Finsten 
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In article anndaltyn@aol.com (AnnDaltyn) writes:

>In article <846793268$15759@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
>
>>In article sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) writes:
>>
>>>You seem to be disseminating a good deal of propaganda, yourself Mr.
>>>Kleim.  You yourself claimed it is now your wish to destroy the
>>>National Alliance.  I doubt you will succeed, but you are stooping
>>>rather low in your efforts to do so.  
>
>That he is.  Maybe our lonely Arlin can comfort and befriend Milton just
>as he has McOiVay and the other Nizcor members.
>
>>really bugs you that your former boss has seen the light, doesn't it
>>brianazi?  do you ever lay awake at night wondering what he knows that
>you
>>don't?  (uh, I mean other than what it feels like to have a woman in bed
>>next to you...)
>>
>>Arlin H. Adams
>
>Arlin you lil old fool.  Milton was never anyone’s "boss" in the National
>Alliance.  Milton was not in the NA for a full year I believe.  In that
>year he was never part of an NA Unit, he never attended any NA meetings,
>he never met Dr. Pierce, he never met  his Regional Coordinator, nor
>anyone else in the National Alliance.  
>
>Milton had trouble finding a girlfriend for what ever personal reasons
and
>then he met some little skinhead girl.  Her other skinhead friends made
>fun of Milton & as he says it "turned her against him".  After this
>relationship dissolved Milton went nuts with all sorts of claims as to
>attacks against him and eminent defeats ahead of him.  He was unwilling
to
>take it like a man and learn and move forward.  So instead of looking
>inward as to how Milton could have survived these situations and how to
>learn from them he lashes out at the NA and Dr. Pierce for not going all
>the way to embrace and coddle him like a child.  
>
>The NA is made up of individuals who represent themselves and who are
>proud of what the NA stands for..  It is up to every member to read all
>the NA literature, to seek out other NA members, to attend Unit meetings,
>to contact their Regional Coordinators, to attend any official meetings
>they are invited to, and to have the opportunity to hear Dr. Pierce speak
>& engage Dr. Pierce in dialog in a formal setting or a private
conference.
> Milton only read the literature on http://www.natvan.com  &
>http://www.natall.com  he did none of the other things.
>
>Arlin is jealous that now that he has shown his treasonous colors that he
>can not be a member of the NA.  I think Arleen envies Mr. Brian Smith. 
>Arleen, Brian is sooooo much more of a man than you could ever hope to
be.

In article <846998423$9472@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>ROFLMAO!  I always wondered how you folks would try to lie your way out
of
>that one!

Lie my way out of what Arlin????!!!!!   I know for a fact Miltons
membership card has the day he joined on it.  I have never seen it as
Milton was never a full fledged active member of any NA Unit.  Milton did
his own thing on the internet.  Milton was never anybody’s "boss".. that
is a joke.  The kid never went to 1 NA Unit meeting, there for was never
screened and asked to join a Unit, he never contacted his Regional
Coordinator, he turned down all invitations to NA events, he NEVER met Dr.
Pierce (which is the only way any form of leadership or responsibility is
given out), Milton was a bark member to the mighty oak that is the
National Alliance.

> sorry annazi, but we've verified our version through *other* sources. 

"We've"???  interesting.. who is "we've" Arlin?  You and you ADL, Nizcor,
SPLC (Dees) friends again??   What have your masters told you to lie about
now?  You are a pathetic old man Arlin.. you have no productive place in
society so you have become a whore to the parasites of democracy, the
Anti-Americans, the traitors club.  So Arlin what is the membership date
on you Traitors Club card?

> Remember, you can never, never, never trust a nazi...especially
>because you never know if they are really a nazi at all, now do you?

Gee Arlin, what is that cryptic nonsense supposed to mean??  When you have
no way of refuting the truth because it is such a holy truth you tend to
resort to rambling don't you.

>Arlin H. Adams traitor to America


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In article <847042595$11762@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>In article sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) writes:
>
>>ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:
>>
>>>in yet another desperate attempt to start *something* before their
masters
>>>cut off their drug supply, the netnazis once again are reduced to
standing
>>>in a corner, waving their arms at each other...

We don't do drugs Arlin.  Most NA do not do any alcohol or smoke either. 
I can't imagine anyone being so ignorant of the National Alliance.  If you
knew more about us (which you obviously don’t as you have so pointed out
in  your posts of  lies based on your silly lazy, fat in the chair whims)
you would know that we believe in healthy bodies, healthy minds, that our
number one goal individually and as a project of the NA is education.  

>>Arlin, are you "an obsessive-compulsive poster" who feels the need to
>>respond to anything and EVERYTHING that is posted with some comment,
>>no matter how foolish? 
>
>LOL!, no little brianazi, I told you little netnazis that I would mock
you
>at every possible opportunity, and I am continuing to do so.  This has
the
>added side benefit of forcing *all* of you little netnazis to read
through
>all of my posts, lest you miss a rebuttal...slowing you down, disrupting
>your disruption...that is my intent, and from your reactions it's working
>reasonably well.  Remember I told you that you would get to the point
>where you would *flinch* whenever you saw my name on a post?  well, it'll
>get worse, the longer you stay in this newsgroup...I promise.

Arlin, first off no members of the NA were ever DISRUPTIVE.  It is you and
others who started the off topic binges.  It is you Arlin that formally
invited Nizcor and ADL to MAM and they have crossposted, brought up the
holoco$t, and many other non militia items.  It is you Arlin who IS THE
disturbance on MAM and not any NA member.  You just admitted that you have
committed yourself (the world wishes and waits..) above to the fact that
you are harassing every single reader of MAM.  How many accounts subscribe
to MAM right now Arlin???  So you have chosen ( like your masters "the
Chosen") to systematically rotting away at MAM.  Arlin you have won
nothing.. NOTHING!! but contempt from the majority of MAM readers.

>> Just wondering.  You should know that your credibility is greatly
reduced as a >>result. 

It seems that Arlin only cares about himself not about any other MAM
members, not about the militias, not about America, not about the
Constitution, and certainly not about honoring our founding fathers. 
Arlin is a cancerous infestation that has manifest itself in MAM.

>ROFLMAO!  a netnazi talking about credibility!  now there's an oxymoronic
>situation if ever there was one!

You are the one labeling EVERYONE on MAM.  You don't seem to have anyone’s
respect Arlin, just keep entertaining your masters whims and they will
send some of there goons to support you but real patriots see you for what
you are.

>Arlin H. Adams Anti-American and Traitor


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THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING TO MAM!!

Ian Mckinny said:

>>: Bringing in Nizkor to save your butts, what a laugh! 

>In article <847077515$14893@atype.com>, sybesma@netcom.com (Steven D.
Sybesma) writes:
>
>I'll have to find out who this Nizkor character is.  I'm behind the
times.
>-- 
>*------------------------------------------------------------------------
---*
>|****Steven D. Sybesma**Post Office Box 31456**Aurora, CO 80041-0456
USA****|
>|           ****************Phone  1-303-363-6417****************        
  |

Steven and MAM,

Nizkor (or as most of us call it Nizcor is a hebrew name that I choose to
alter to change its meaning) is an ADL arm that monitors militias and the
like on the internet.  They log posts, create databases and profiles. 
They supply information to government agencies, Morris Dees (SPLC) the
ADL, JDL, and all the Anti-American organizations. They are paid
informants. Some of their info was used in Sundays Washington Post article
that bashed militias.

Arlin invited this organization to come in the front door and to
participate in MAM.  They were already here through many cloaked accounts
but now they are here on two fronts.  With Nizcor and Arlin came
crossposting and the first posts for the holoco$t by 3 Nizcor persons
talking at each other (nice gimick) , etc..   There are a few members of
Nizcor on MAM.  Tim McVay, Arlin H. Adams, Annie Alpert, Laura Finsten,
Rich Graves, Milton Kleim, jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy), I believe
Charles Winters, & Wizard is using an id from 1 of the 5 on an aol account
that is a Nizcor account.  These are all gun grabbing, anti-American,
traitorous organizations and most happen to be backed by major jewish
lobbies and organizations that have made a business out of spreading
propaganda, staging "incidents", setting people up, doing the staging work
for the NWO, Klinton and his masters, and then appealing for the pubic for
funds..  All this while Klinton gives these groups millions of dollars
every year.

And let us not forget this Mark Pitcavage and Sheldon Sheps who work
together (check out their web pages and see the links and who are their
supporters and log MAM and share info with other traitors and
Anti-American groups.  Check out the webpage for Sheldon Sheps, the
Canadian "patriot" who is trying to have us banned from the Militia
newsgroup.  (see why he is motivated to stop the NA from giving the
militia members or MAM readers any of our NA intelligence information or
>from  giving you the facts on topics they would much rather cover up and
lie about

I checked it out and found that Sheldon Sheps(ky/) and Pitcavage are 
honchos on the following website: 

http://www.sff.net/people/pitman/militia.htm.  But most interesting, I 
found a little gem on their website: Other Organizations that they are
affiliated with that Investigate the Extreme Right, Militias and any
Pro-American organization; a veritable inventory list of Jewish hate
groups:

American Jewish Committee
Area of Expertise: Hate groups/white supremacy connection to militias.
165 East 56th Street
New York, NY 10022-2746
(212) 751-4000

Anti-Defamation League
Area of Expertise: Hate groups/militia groups.
National Office
823 United Nations Plaza
New York, NY 10017
(212) 490-2525

Clearinghouse on Environmental Advocacy and Research [CLEAR]
Area of Expertise: Wise Use/militia links.
1718 Connecticut Avenue, NW Suite 600
Washington, DC 20009
(202) 667-6982

Center for Democratic Renewal
Area of Expertise: Helping communities combat hate.
PO Box 50469
Atlanta, GA 30302
(404) 221-0025

Coalition for Human Dignity
Area of Expertise: Race/Hate groups.
PO Box 40344
Portland, OR 97240
(503) 281-5823

Montana Human Rights Network
Area of Expertise: militias/hate groups in Montana.
PO Box 1222
Helena, Mt. 59624
(406) 442-5506

Northwest Coalition Against Malicious Harassment
Area of Expertise: Helping communities combat hate.
PO Box 16776
Seattle, WA 98116
(206) 233-9136

Political Research Associates
Area of Expertise: Far Right (militias and general)
120 Beacon Street, Suite 202
Somerville, MA 02143
(617) 661-9313

Southern Poverty Law Center
Area of Expertise: Race/Hate/Militia groups.
PO Box 548
Montgomery, AL 36195-5101
(205) 264-0286

Western States Center
Area of Expertise: Wise Use/militia links.
522 SW 5th Avenue, #1390
Portland, OR 97204
(503) 228-8866

Radio for Peace International
Area of Expertise: Far right on shortwave radio.
PO Box 20728
Portland, OR 07220
011 506 249 1821

Simon Wiesenthal Center
Area of Expertise: White supremacist groups.(with a side arm for militia
monitoring)
9760 West Pico
Los Angeles, CA 90035
(310) 553-9036.


There are some other Nizcor & Dees spies on MAM and we will post a better
list latter.  I just though that all of MAM should know who their real
enemies are.  Notice how they are the ones that were afraid we would tell
you the truth and that the National Alliance would make their lies look
like just what they are LIES.  National Alliance as individuals have
worked with many militias and correspond regularly and are friends with
many militia members.  Some National Alliance members are also militia
members.  This is why the enemies of truth and of America have stormed on
this group.. see them post after everyone of our posts ..  they are trying
to suppress the truth.  The National Alliance has blown their cover to
assist MAM.  And look at who stated, after he was caught and exposed by
the NA, that he invited Nizcor/ADL to MAM for it's own good..  so now they
are on two fronts.  They are on their publicly open accounts and on their
subversive accounts.  Now that Arlin has brought them to MAM how does MAM
ever expect to get rid of these traitors these Anti-American, Anti-Militia
paid whores?  

Arlin has proven himself to be a true enemy of MAM as well as all the
enemy agents.



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>In article <847177404$23313@atype.com>, militia-vote@atype.com writes:
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>[NO]        Kevin Alfred Strom       ka_strom@ix.netcom.com
>>[NO]        Ken Pokrifka             ken@sgi.net
>>[NO]        Ian McKinney             mckinney@usaor.net
>>[NO]        Brian Smith              sbrian@micron.net, brs1478@aol.com
>>[NO]        Kenneth Campbell         knbell@top.monad.net
>>[NO]        Vincent (The Bok)        thebok@dreamon.com
>>[NO]        (Cutter 001)             cutter001@aol.com
>>[NO]        Robert Dawson            rbdwsn@top.monad.net
>>[NO]        Leo Walsh                GEQR17C@prodigy.com
>>[YES]      Arlin Adams             ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ)
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In article <846924490$3501@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
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>kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>>Hoffman found that somewhat embarrassing. On top of his other
>>delightful qualities, he pimps for "Christian" Identity.
>
>Ken, despite whatever weird stuff Christian Identity followers
>believe, Hoffman pimping for Christian Identity can't POSSIBLY be as
>bad as you pimping for the Holocaust Hoax!  You've got the Pimp of
>the Year award wrapped up, Ken!
>
>Congrats,
>
>Brian Smith
>www.natall.com

I asked this of a friend about a month ago because I had read one of
Hoffman’s many books.  My friend who it tuned out is a long time family
friend with Hoffman (not sure which one we are talking about since there
are 3 that I know of) & his family.  Mr. Hoffman was once learning about
and practicing Identity Christianity but has since moved to more of a
Nietzsche, Schopenhauer Christian view.  Though he still have great
friends who are ID, and he respects them for their right to be of their
religion, he is not affiliated with any ID church or group.  

I am not really sure what the intent or position on Mr. Hoffman was in the
original thread post.  Not sure if this helps but it came from a very
trustworthy source who has known him for years.


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In article <847245886$4861@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>In article <847187283$23814@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>The following is an excerpt from the book of the same title, available
>>from National Vanguard Books,
>
>having weird willie pierce write about Constitutional rights is more than
>vaguely similar to having Stalin write about the Geneva and Hague
>Conventions...he may know a few of the words, but is obviously still
>completely baffled by the concepts behind them.
>
>Arlin H. Adams

Again Arlin the traitor proves he does not have enough knowledge about the
topic to comment on it.  Dr. William L. Pierce translated the origional
National Socialist documentation on laws during their era.  The book is
called " Gun Control in Germany 1928 -1945" (contains: Attitude of the
Hitler governmetn toward the private ownership of firearms; Complete
German and English texts of firearms laws enacted by the Hitler government
and its predicessor)

 MAM and patriots need to know that they are being lied to by the "Jews
againt handgun control", which is a front organization.  The poor saps
they confuse and make stand behind those booths at gun shows have never
been exposed to the truth and need to know so they can stop being shabez
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In article <846451104$20351@atype.com>, pgissource@aol.com WIZ writes:

>Subject:	Re: ADL: LIES, INNUENDO, OBFUSCATION, DISTORTION,
PROPAGANDA
>From:	pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource)
>Date:	Sun, 27 Oct 96 21:18:24 GMT
>
>In article <846434883$18169@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
>
>>y'know other than the usual deesblather, I don't think I've seen
anything this >>rabidly antimilitia in a while now...I wonder why?
>
>well, discarding the unfair linkage between the militias and the
racialists presented >in the article, I did find the reference to the
racialist destabilization efforts in St. >Petersburg, Fl interesting and
timely. I wonder exactly what that National Alliance >member Bok has been
doing down there? Was it just convenient timing or an >actual incitement?
Who knows, but with the Holocaust Revisionist David Irving >allegedly
getting protection in Oakland from the Nation of Islam types on >September
10, it does make you wonder if there might be more to that mess in St.
>Petersburg than meets the eye.
>
>Mr. Wizard

Wizard where do you get these silly ideas?

The St. Petersburg incident was caused and started by a stolen car with 2
career criminal black men in it who were stopped by police.  The black
criminals (guilty criminals) proceeded to put the car back into drive and
run over 1 of the police officers and then to flee the law.  At that time
another officer of the law drew, shot and stopped the driver from now
adding cop killer to his long rap sheet of perpetrated crimes.  This all
happened in a neighborhood where black crime was rampant and the law
abiding citizens even complained previously that the cops were not taking
enough action to stop the lawlessness and put a halt to the drug dealing
and general crime.  This shooting of the criminal caused area blacks to go
into an frenzied rage and proceed to act irrationally.  They attacked
police in any means available, they attacked white motorists who were
caught in their path (one car with a white mother and full of children
coming home from some extracurricular activity was ganged up on with chats
for their deaths..  thank god they were able to escape), they attacked
citizens homes, smashed, overturned and set fire to cars, and injured
persons. Then finally these bands of ignorant savages robbed, looted and
burned their own neighborhoods.  

And as for Wizards strange and false stories about Mr. David Irving, the
famous author, biographer, historian, and researcher, he can site no proof
to his crazy stories.  I wonder where he gets his material from.  Don't
even bother to cover subject matter that you so obviously know nothing
about.


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In article <846992922$8594@atype.com>, daddison@lville.mindspring.com (Don
Addison) writes:
>
>anndaltyn@aol.com (AnnDaltyn) wrote:
>
>>In article <846906567$2745@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
>
>>>In article <846874088$22364@atype.com>, daddison@lville.mindspring.com
>>>(Don Addison) writes:
>>>
>>>> Except for the obviously intelligent one (I
>>>>think his name is Strom), they are probably all the same person using
>>>>various names and fake e-mail addresses to give the illusion of
>>>>numbers.
>>>
>>>oh, I'm reasonably sure that the annazi is a fake - these nazi types
>>don't
>>>go in for women who think...as for the others, yeah, there are some
>>>duplicates, but I'd make it 3, maybe 4 total netnazis, all in all.
>>>
>>>Arlin 
>
>>Haha ha Arleen..  & no thanks for all the earlier blonde jokes either.
>
>>Again Arlin proves he is an idiot or is he just spreading propaganda.  I
>>am a woman and I am a member of the National Alliance. The National
>>Alliance has many women members including women in important staff and
>>leadership positions.  The NA as a rule goes for all Aryans who can
think
>>well and can think for themselves.  
>
>>I personally have met, know of and correspond with about 50 NA women &
>>with about over 100 men infrequently.  I am often too busy with my
family
>>pursuits, kids, husband, projects, books.   Notice that I do not often
>>post on weekends or yesterday for Samhain/Halloween I am usually too
busy
>>with my wonderful family and caring & intelligent friends.
>
>>The NA is a the Largest Pan-Aryan organization & has members all around
>>the world.  I would assume that a large portion of them are women as we
do
>>make up the majority of creatures on this planet.

>Why would you not post on Samhain Ann?
>Pagan, Patriot, and Proud of both!
>Blessed Be!
>http://www.mindspring.com/~daddison

Busy baking cookies, lighting pumpkins, taking lots of pictures, finishing
the house decorations, doing the grandparent calls, getting the kids
costumes ready for trick-or-treating, & having fun with the neighbors, and
taking the little ones out myself.  Then of course the more exciting part
of the evening the dumping of the bulging goodie bags on the livingroom
carpet & sorting out, trading & nibbling the candy before we all retired
for the evening.  Not to mention trying to get in the quick run through of
the spelling words, for the standard Friday tests, while everyone washes
up and brushes teeth.  Busy night Addison.  So did you enjoy the treats of
the evening cold though it was?


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In article <847042532$11705@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>Subject:	Re: National Alliance: Form Your OWN Militia
>From:	ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ)
>Date:	Sun, 3 Nov 96 17:35:32 GMT
>
>sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) writes:
>
>>ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:
>>
>>>anndaltyn@aol.com (AnnDaltyn) writes:
>>
>>>> Is this Andy Strassmeier some friend of yours because I have never
heard
>>>>of him.
>>
>>>ROFLMAO X 2  whoo hoo!  no, no, little netnazi, you have the accent all
>>>wrong, you're supposed to say "I know nossingk!"...

It is you Arlin that has proven again and again that you know nothing at
all.  When Morris Dees came to your house last month did he leave off one
of those SPLC comic books about the militias and other organizations?  

>>Arlin, I hate to have to be the one to tell you this but:  
>>
>>you're an interminable goofball.
>
>LOL!  no, no, little brianazi, you are supposed to agree with her!  "she
>knows nossingk!"...go ahead, try it once...considering how much your
>masters lie to you, we *might* actually believe you are ignorant of the
>real situation...well, no, actually we probably wont believe that, but
you
>might try saying it anyway - you should probably start practicing....
>
>Arlin H. Adams

Again Arlin just rambles along with his silly stories.  No proof, no
substance..  Arlin is a monkey on strings.  So Arlin do they pay you for
lies that you don't completely finish or do you just have to come up with
a good on this next post?  

Sick sick Arlin.. he is losing it all & is scared for now we all know he
is a traitor.


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In article <847228685$2775@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>In article <847114384$17566@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>writes:
>
>>Media Bypass magazine had an article on this Strassmeir person who has
been >>linked to the OKC bombing. MB exposed him as a German Intelligence
officer >>& ATF agent provocateur. Apparently part of Louis Freeh's
"anti-nazi" >>collaboration with the Bonn treason regime.
>
>yep, and the funny part is that he spent a while as Brescia's roommate
>inside elohim city...great security your folks have there, no?

Why would we ever waste our energy on other organizations security?? 
Arlin you do not make sense.  NA members are busy with their own lives,
families, studies, Units and NA business.

>>The only real patriot appears to be Mike Bescia, who was unfortunately
sucked
>>into this ATF scheme. Bescia is reported to have gone underground with
the 
>>Heritage Front in Canada.
>
>Brescia is a nazi, although a significantly smarter and more dangerous
one
>than any of you little netnazis...oh and he's living in Philly...has
started a bar band >which I believe is called "Cyanide"...somehow that
name seems fitting, all things >considered.

I can check try this out with my friends in the music industry since I
like to check out new bands.  But I have never heard of  Mr. Brescia or
this band.  Arlin it is silly for you to post your little stories if you
are not going to back them up more.  Where did you get any of this
information?  Why don't you post your supposed info if it is really fact
based.   Remember Arlin traitors like you have not credibility

>>BTW, none of these people have ANYTHING to do with the National
Alliance.
>
>keep saying that, little ianazi - you need the practice in case you are
subpoena'd for the civil trial....
>
>Arlin H. Adams

Arlin keep rambling the same old lies.  If any of these guys you ramble
about were ever in the NA the media would have pasted it all over the
place.  Also if they were in Units then we would have known it.  The NA
has lots of social functions and business meeting and I try to attend alot
of them.  Heck I don’t even know where or what this Elohime city is.


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In article <847233209$3256@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>In article <847145036$20324@atype.com>, GEQR17C@prodigy.com (Leo Walsh)
>writes:
>
>> You advocate shooting those Americans with political views 
>>which differ from your own. 
>
>no, leonazi, I believe he was espousing the execution of traitors to the
>Constitution...and before you go playing holier than thou games, perhaps
>you'd better go back and reread the words of your lord and master weird
>willie pierce in the _turner diaries_ for he, and through him you, most
>assuredly intend to try to kill us, given the opportunity to do so.
>
>Arlin H. Adams

Arlin again proves himself unfit to participate in MAM in any constructive
manner.  Arlin this Leo guy and some others your are nasty to for
correcting or debating about some things on MAM are not NA.  Not that I
know of.  I have never met him and he has never said he is a member of NA.
 If you notice all NA members post proudly that we are members of the fine
organization and we post the NA and NVB sites http://www.natall.com  &
http://ww.natvan   (you can hear ADV while online now as well as on AM,
FM, Short-wave worldband and satellite)


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In article <847177384$23285@atype.com>, medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike
S. Medintz) whilst completely detached from true American ideals writes:

>Whilst completely naked, Steven D. Sybesma said unto us:
>
>>I don't see engaging in homosexuality as being an inalienable right,
though.
>>I see it as a violation on standards of behavior that is 4,000 years
old.
>
>And naturally, you have the right to demand the banning of an activity
that
>involves none other than consenting adults and harms no one. *snort*
>
>>I see it as a destructive behavior that has destroyed many great
societies.
>
>Which ones?
>
>>You can't see that if you hate a God that hates homosexuality and
embrace
>the
>>god of this world who says it's O.K. (or no god at all which is the
same).
>
>Could you please restate this in plain English or Spanish? At first
glance, 
>it looks like you're saying that "homosexuality necessarly = satanism"
but
>I'd hate to post a kook alert over a misperception.

It is you who is acting like a kook Mike.. and in front of all the readers
of MAM.  Steven is correct that this is negative behavior, it is against
intelligent human nature and the laws of nature.  These acts and behavior
and lifestyles that Mike condones or practices in are a product of
abnormal development and strong personality defects.  They serve no
purpose to our Creator and are tasteless acts of savage minds that can not
function properly.

>>The funny thing is that the people the militia would be fighting against
would
>>agree that homosexuality is an inalienable right.  Seems contradictory.
>
>The militia will also possibly fight against people who insist that the
air contains >about 70-odd% nitrogen and that the Earth revolves around
the sun. Seems >contradictory, unless the militia is composed of
alchemists and flat-Earth'ers.
>
>>I reject it in the same way as any other illegal behavior.  I also
reject its
>>claim to legitimacy just like I reject the Nazi idiots who want to kill
Jews.
>
>Ah. Do you also reject illegal behavior such as the owning of an
automatic
>weapon without special permission from the Feds? The two laws have the 
>same legitimacy-ie NONE.
>
>>One thing that I've never understood is people fighting passionately not
only
>>for something they have no personal interest in, but even in something
they
>>know in their hearts is destructive to society like homosexuality is.
>
>I believe that Martin Niemoller said something about standing up for the
>rights of others. By your logic, though, you should probably shut up
about
>abortion since you're neither a woman nor a fetus.
>
>>Religious belief is a right.
>
>Hmmmm...where wast thou for our big "This is, or was, a Xtian nation"
thread
>this summer?
>
>>Certain human activities are not.  Sorry.
>
>Human activities that involve consenting adults only are rights. If your
>2000-old book says otherwise, then don't sleep with other men but don't
>bitch to the rest of the world.
>--
>Mike S. Medintz : http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~medintz : KB9ODS
>"A power structure is like a Cat D-9 Bulldozer-easily perverted by any
> fool who gets his hands on the controls."- Cactus Ed Abbey, patriot

My god Mike you just keep on showing us how truly deviant you are don't
you.  First you make all the many nasty and degrading comments about
women.  Then you always love to rant about bodily functions, and fluids.. 
 And now you have stated that you accept homosexual behavior to be normal,
not harmful and OK by you or anyone in YOUR militia.  What kind of militia
do you belong to again Mikie??  Why are you so concerned about bizarre and
abnormal, deviant sexual practices??  Is it that you are a filthy minded
man who practices abhorrent acts, degrades women at every turn and has
such filthy ideas running through your mind that you fear being found
out..  

Notice how Mike likes to call everyone else strange sex names, talks in an
inappropriate manner for a gentleman..  This is what you call a true
patriotic movement??  sick..  I want no part of a group of poseurs like
that.

In the National Alliance there is a level of decorum, a standard for
behavior.  Men act like honorable gentleman and Ladies act like ladies and
are treated with respect and honored for there contributions to the race. 
We all work together in an environment of respect and love.  We are
productive, educated and have a real plan to advance ourselves and our
folk.

When you place behavior, actions, honor & the noble respect NA members
have for each other beside some of these sick groups who have the nerve to
call themselves militias you will plainly see which group will assist you
in being a better person, being prepared for the future and to protect all
that we hold dear in America.

For more information on the National Alliance and National Vanguard Books
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In article <847090998$16371@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>In article anndaltyn@aol.com (AnnDaltyn) writes:
>
>> I am a woman and I am a member of the National Alliance.
>
>probably half right - you do have the notional appliance propaganda line
>pretty well down, but we have seen no specific evidence that you are in
>fact female...actually your writing style tends to mitigate against that
>somewhat...oh well, when we track down your account we'll have somewhat
of
>a better idea who you are.  In the meantime, your word that you are
female
>constitutes no proof whatsoever in our eyes.

And there is no proof that you even exist Arlin or that you are a man. 
And how dare you speak in the plural when in fact we have been getting
alot of e-mail from MAM readers stating that you have no credibility and
that you are just over exploiting MAM for your own purposes.

So Arlin thinks that women are too stupid to be able to have their own
strong convictions.  Arlin is intimidated by women.  Arlin doesn't want
women in his militia so when the boys take him out to play Rambo the girls
can't see his colostomy bag.  Sick Arlin, just because you have proven
yourself to be a shameful example of manhood does not mean that other MAM
readers, militia members, and patriots should be afraid of women also.

>Oh, and by the way, Samhain didn't fall on Halloween this year, so you're
>lying about your pagan rituals, as well.
>
>Arlin H. Adams

Arlin you are an idiot and a fool..  I have no pagan rituals.  And I am
lying about nothing.  My children’s schools were doing a combination Fall
Festival, Halloween, Samhain celebration.  I was asked about what my
family did on Oct. 31st by someone on MAM and I responded truthfully. 
What’s next Arlin going to try to deny that I am a biped.  You are such a
fool.  It is you that is full of negative rhetoric and vile assertions. 
It is Arlin that is the liar.

So Arlin what is your hang up with suppressing everyone in MAM’s religions
and beliefs.  I have seen you do this over and over again.  It seems to me
Arlin that it is you who is a vile, angry old man who is house bound
because you can't make friends.

Did Arlin have a bad experience with nuns once and now he hates all women
and religions other than the one in his head?  Is Arlin afriad of penguins
and oreos also?  Sure sounds like it you wacko.


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>Subject:	US man killed in moscow was he friend of Bill
>From:	charri3122@aol.com (CHarri3122)
>Date:	Mon, 4 Nov 96 1:18:25 GMT
>
>   American Exec Killed in Moscow 
>
>   Police in Moscow say American businessman Paul Tatum was killed by an
>assassin today at the entrance to a subway station. Police say Tatum was
>shot dead in a hail of automatic gunfire and died of his wounds in a
>hospital. No one else was hurt. Police say the shooting had all the
>trappings of a contract killing. Contract killings are frequent in Moscow
>but murders of foreign businessmen are rare. Tatum's company Americom has
>been locked in a long and bitter legal battle over ownership of the
>Radisson-Slavjanskaya hotel in central Moscow. The hotel houses the
>offices of some Western news organizations and a business center. 

>From  what I have experienced and what I have researched Radisson Hotels
have a parent company that is The Oxford Group.  The Oxford Group is owned
and run by a former Oxford buddy of Klintons.  This roommate buddy is
jewish and is linked to big jewish lobbiests and Klintons puppet masters. 
I can tell you that the Radisson outside of Pittsburgh even has jewish
organizations housed on some of its floors business offices.   When
Klinton visited PA a few weeks ago he stopped by and visited his old
jewish commie friend (sorry I can't find my business cards and scrap notes
on all this right now). 

In fact the Radisson and The Oxford Group (I have been told had help from
Klintons folks) and tried to ban David Irving (world famous author,
biographer, historian, and researcher) from all Oxford Group property. 
They brought in other anti-freespeech, anti-Constitution, Anti-American
groups such as the local ADL, the Pittsburgh Area Religion and Race
Council, etc..  Mr. Irving took them to court and was victorious in up
holding the Constitution of American and free speech.  The censors had 6
attorneys with stacks of "information" and data collected by such hate
groups as the ADL.  Mr. Irving did a brilliant job of defending the
Constitution with himself and his attorney.  The judge declared that the
Oxford Group was wishing to violate one of the most sacred things in
America and make a mockery of free speech.  She sided with the American
way, the Constitution and Mr. David Irving.

Not sure how this all links together but when I see Radisson I know that
there are some Klinton ties.


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Re: US man killed in moscow was he friend of Bill

[MY FULL POST IS BELOW AFTER THIS]

In article <847361042$15035@atype.com>, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource)
writes:

>In article <847238598$4135@atype.com>, anndaltyn@aol.com (AnnDaltyn)
>writes:
>
>> (I have been told Radisson/Oxford group had help from Klintons folks)
and tried >>to ban David Irving (world famous author, biographer,
historian, and 
>>researcher) 
>
>Is this the same David Irving that received security support from the
>Nation of Islam in Oakland on September 10, 1996? And that is the same
>Nation of Islam that has been granted a large sum of money by a foreign
>Islamic *SOCIALIST* country?

This is the Mr. David Irving (world famous historian, author, biographer,
researcher)
who spoke in Oakland during a recent visit to the US, but never has had
anyting to do with NOI.  Where the heck did you ever get this
information?? Because you really need to negate that source.  Mr. Irving
has never had anything to do with NOI, has never talked to anyone from NOI
and has no need or intention of doing so.  The Oakland speech was attended
by many of my friends, media and even some wacky Nizcor.  Why would you
ever post such stupid things???

>hmmm ..... 
>
>>Not sure how this all links together but when I see Radisson 
>>I know that there are some Klinton ties.
>
>maybe the Radisson folk just don't like to provide support for foreign
>sponsored commie groups bent on destroying the United States?

The Radisson Hotel i.e the Oxford Group i.e The Klinton commie friend CEO
was just taking orders from his commie masters.  They are communists you
fool.  Mr. David Irving was a guest, and dispayer at the MAX show that was
held in the ExpoCenter that is attached to & owned by the Radisson.  Mr.
Irving has spoken at the MAX show before as a honored guest, has been
attending the show as a participant for 6 years & is friends with the MAX
Show organizers and most of the other participants.  He was there to sell
his high demand books (he has written almost 40, many best sellers.. goto
your libraries & book stores to check them out), to met with people and to
sign them.

Wiz does not know what he is talking about and has no obvious authority to
speak about any of this!!!

>Try again, annie commie, your red undies are still showing.
>Mr. Wizard

I have not need to "try again" it is you that is "trying" do further your
own sick agenda here.  I have presented fact and truth.

The origional discussion post:
In article <847070305$14163@atype.com>, charri3122@aol.com (CHarri3122)
writes:

>Subject:	US man killed in moscow was he friend of Bill
>From:	charri3122@aol.com (CHarri3122)
>Date:	Mon, 4 Nov 96 1:18:25 GMT
>
>   American Exec Killed in Moscow 
>
>   Police in Moscow say American businessman Paul Tatum was killed by an
>assassin today at the entrance to a subway station. Police say Tatum was
>shot dead in a hail of automatic gunfire and died of his wounds in a
>hospital. No one else was hurt. Police say the shooting had all the
>trappings of a contract killing. Contract killings are frequent in Moscow
>but murders of foreign businessmen are rare. Tatum's company Americom has
>been locked in a long and bitter legal battle over ownership of the
>Radisson-Slavjanskaya hotel in central Moscow. The hotel houses the
>offices of some Western news organizations and a business center. 

>From  what I have experienced and what I have researched Radisson Hotels
have a parent company that is The Oxford Group.  The Oxford Group is owned
and run by a former Oxford buddy of Klintons.  This roommate buddy is
jewish and has strong NWO and communist ties and is linked to big jewish
lobbiests and Klintons puppet masters.  I can tell you that the Radisson
outside of Pittsburgh even has jewish organizations housed on some of its
floors business offices.   When Klinton visited PA a few months ago he
stopped by and visited his old jewish commie friend (sorry I can't find my
business cards and scrap notes
on all this right now). 

In fact the Radisson and The Oxford Group (I have been told had help from
Klintons folks) and tried to ban David Irving (world famous author,
biographer, historian, and researcher) from all Oxford Group property. 
They brought in other anti-freespeech, anti-Constitution, Anti-American
groups such as the local ADL, the Pittsburgh Area Religion and Race
Council, etc..  Mr. Irving took them to court and was victorious in up
holding the Constitution of American and free speech.  The censors had 6
attorneys with stacks of "information" and data collected by such hate
groups as the ADL.  Mr. Irving did a brilliant job of defending the
Constitution with himself and his attorney.  The judge declared that the
Oxford Group was wishing to violate one of the most sacred things in
America and make a mockery of free speech.  She sided with the American
way, the Constitution and Mr. David Irving.

Not sure how this all links together but when I see Radisson I know that
there are some Klinton ties.


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Re: The Nazional Alliance: the Reality...

In article <847359269$14836@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>In article <847235008$3455@atype.com>, anndaltyn@aol.com (AnnDaltyn)
>writes:
>>
>>>ROFLMAO!  I always wondered how you folks would try to lie your way out
>>of
>>>that one!
>>
>>Lie my way out of what Arlin
>
>lie your way out admitting who and what Milton Kleim really was in your
>organization...you can keep repeating your cover story over and over, and
>it wont change a thing... calm down, little annazi, or at least cut back
>on the methamphetamine a bit, you're losing coherence and repeating
>yourself a lot, have you noticed?

You sure do seem to know alot about illegal and unhealthy drugs Arlin.  
Sick stories from sick old drug using Arlin.   

>Arlin H. Adams

Arlin you are a complete fool.  Why would "I" have to lie about anything??
 Little Milton Kliem has been explained in my previous posts.  If you want
I can repost them to this thread.  

Where do you get this stupid information Arlin?  Because you need to
either negate the source or stop making up such stupid lies.  After all
Milton even posted a few times to this NG and them ran away.  Why don't
you write to Milton via that e-mail address and ask you.  While your at it
why don't you have the child scan his membership card for you.  

And again I point out how little Arlin knows about the NA.  We do not do
drugs, most do not even smoke cigarettes, and most do not use any alcohol
what so ever.  The National Alliance is an educational organization that
values healthy bodies and minds.  

The full copy of one of my posts on the Milton is below:

In article anndaltyn@aol.com (AnnDaltyn) writes:

>In article <846793268$15759@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
>
>>In article sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) writes:
>>
>>>You seem to be disseminating a good deal of propaganda, yourself Mr.
>>>Kleim.  You yourself claimed it is now your wish to destroy the
>>>National Alliance.  I doubt you will succeed, but you are stooping
>>>rather low in your efforts to do so.  
>
>That he is.  Maybe our lonely Arlin can comfort and befriend Milton just
>as he has McOiVay and the other Nizcor members.
>
>>really bugs you that your former boss has seen the light, doesn't it
brianazi?  do >>you ever lay awake at night wondering what he knows that
you don't?  (uh, I >>mean other than what it feels like to have a woman in
bed next to you...)
>>
>>Arlin H. Adams
>
>Arlin you lil old fool.  Milton was never anyone s "boss" in the National
>Alliance.  Milton was not in the NA for a full year I believe.  In that
>year he was never part of any NA Unit, he never attended any NA meetings,
>he never met Dr. Pierce, he never met his Regional Coordinator, nor
>anyone else in the National Alliance.  

[This is all fact and Milton nor you have any evidence to show other
wise.]

>Milton had trouble finding a girlfriend for what ever personal reasons
and
>then he met some little skinhead girl.  Her other skinhead friends made
>fun of Milton & as he says it "turned her against him".  After this
>relationship dissolved Milton went nuts with all sorts of claims as to
>attacks against him and eminent defeats ahead of him.  He was unwilling
to
>take it like a man and learn and move forward.  So instead of looking
>inward as to how Milton could have survived these situations and how to
>learn from them he lashes out at the NA and Dr. Pierce for not going all
>the way to embrace and coddle him like a child.  
>
>The NA is made up of individuals who represent themselves and who are
>proud of what the NA stands for..  It is up to every member to read all
>the NA literature, to seek out other NA members, to attend Unit meetings,
to >voluntarily join any local Unit when invited, to contact their
Regional Coordinators, >to attend any official meetings they are invited
to, and to have the opportunity to >hear Dr. Pierce speak & engage Dr.
Pierce in dialog in a formal setting or a private
>conference.  Milton only read the literature on http://www.natvan.com  &
>http://www.natall.com  he did none of the other things.
>
>Arlin is jealous that now that he has shown his treasonous colors that he
>can not be a member of the NA.  I think Arleen envies Mr. Brian Smith. 
>Arleen, Brian is sooooo much more of a man than you could ever hope to
be.

In article <846998423$9472@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

>ROFLMAO!  I always wondered how you folks would try to lie your way out
of
>that one!

Lie my way out of what Arlin????!!!!!   Arlin you can present no evidence,
no documentation, not even Milton will support you silly lies. I know for
a fact Miltons
membership card has the day he joined on it.  I have never seen it as
Milton was never a full fledged active member of any NA Unit.  Milton did
his own thing on the internet.  Milton was never anybody s "boss".. that
is a joke.  The kid never went to 1 NA Unit meeting, there for was never
screened and asked to join a Unit, he never contacted his Regional
Coordinator, he turned down all invitations to NA events, he NEVER met Dr.
Pierce (which is the only way any form of leadership or responsibility is
given out), Milton was a bark member to the mighty oak that is the
National Alliance.

Milton was young and immature and possessed no leadership skills.  He
could only be his own leader since that was the only physical contact he
ever had with NA members.  His energy and efforts seemed to arise out of
ego and personal needs instead of honorable self sacrifice and continued
improvement and education.

> sorry annazi, but we've verified our version through *other* sources. 

"We've"???  interesting.. who is "we've" Arlin?  You and you ADL, Nizcor,
SPLC (Dees) friends again??   What have your masters told you to lie about
now?  You are a pathetic old man Arlin.. you have no productive place in
society so you have become a whore to the parasites of democracy, the
Anti-Americans, the "Traitors Club.  So Arlin what is the membership date
on YOUR "Traitors Club card"?

[I see that Arlin still can not back up his little lies, by pointing to
sources, incidents, evidence or documentation, not even from Milton
himself.  Arlin has no sources, there is not story to go along with Arlins
false one liners.  Arlin you are pathetic.. have you been hanging out a
the Masonic Temple too long?

> Remember, you can never, never, never trust a nazi...especially
>because you never know if they are really a nazi at all, now do you?

Gee Arlin, what is that cryptic nonsense supposed to mean??  When you have
no way of refuting the truth because it is such a holy truth you tend to
resort to rambling don't you.

[Again Arlin never backs up anything he says because he can't.  Arlin
makes up stupid scenarios, sick perverted stories, and childish skits,
Arlin is not a productive member of real society so he uses MAM to
entertain himself at the cost and security of all of MAM]

>Arlin H. Adams traitor to America

[above title demonstrated and proven over and over again]

ps: Arlin the Walther is not the one I sleep with.  You have no
understanding of reality.  You have no real information or knowledge about
the National Alliance nor any of its members.  You are so far detached
>from  reality and any true patriots it is pathetic.  I have lots of friends
in the Virginia Militias..  I wonder how many of them I can look up and
have them attest to the fact that you are a crack pot.  So what militia do
you belong to again Arlin?  Are you just an honorary member because you
lack the honor, the skills,  the intelligence to really be a Virginia
Patriot??  Didn't we once hear Oliver North on his national radio show
once make fun of some crack pot named Arlin Adams??  I think soo Arlin.. &
you were hoping we weren't listening.  Better check you china for lead
content Arlin you are progressing faster than the doctors had first
predicted!!


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ARLIN IS A TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Ban Arlin Adams

In article <847274645$6743@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
writes:

>>>I do not make threats, billynazi, for threats are merely empty
gestures. 
>>>I give warnings, which since you have no concept of fair warning you
>>>wouldn't understand, and I make *promises*.  Now that you have, by
virtue
>>>of posting it, acknowledged receipt of my fair warning, that was all
that
>>>was neccessary.  I know you don't understand that, but perhaps in time
you
>>>will learn.
>>>
>>>Arlin H. Adams

Arlin is the one who started the silly mob mentality over a few regular
MAM readers who are also NA.  It is Arlin, Mike, Ireland & a few others
who have sent death threats and use foul language.  It is these
individuals who have continually brought down MAM.  How can anyone take
the militias seriously when you have them men so obsessed with degrading
women, excluding women, ranting about bodily fluids, non stop banter about
deviant and abhorent sexual practices, and in general bad taste and a
total lack of decorum.  

Many of us who are in the NA have been reading MAM since it's birth. We
participate in militia activities both online and in our individual
practices off-line is we so choose to.  The National Alliance is a very
professional organization that holds standards for membership and for
participation in activities.  The men and women have never violated MAM as
of theres have and as those I mention above have.  Members of the National
Alliance have acted independantly as fellow patriots in MAM.  We have not
threatened anyone, we have not used foul language, we have shared
information, debated ideas, and then had to deal with a few incidences of
mob mentality (persons influenced and then acting out of not thinking
through what they we really attacking) where a few of us have come
together and defended our posts.

  Many of us had noticed over the months that there was a strong presence
of anti-American, Anti-Militia, Anti-Constition flunkies on MAM.  We did
some research and then decided to share this information to our fellow
patriots on MAM.  I believe that was about 2 months ago.  We since then
those whom we have proven in several threads full of facts, references,
addresses etc.  show that there is no doubt who the true enemies of MAM
are.  But it seems that these enemies have made so many connections with
some of these MAM that they act like rabbid and insane dogs just frothing
and biting where the Nizcor, ADL, Isreali-lobbiests, Commies, SPLC (Dees)
etc.. tell them to.  PATHETIC!!!!  

In article <847274645$6743@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
writes:

>>Arlin has shown that he is incapable of sharing this NG with others. 

Thats right Arlin!!  Arlin should know the penalty for being a traitor as
I am sure his other traitor buddies have told him.  The fact is Arlin that
some of us in MAM and the NA have caught you in your disgrace of being in
collusion with the enemy of militias, the Constitution, America and for
all our founding father fought so hard for.  Then after we posted proof of
you tricks, you then admited that yes, yes you Arlin are an evil creep and
enemie of MAM.  You Arlin invited Nizcor to make a more formal presence on
MAM.  You Invited these ADL, Dees, SPLC, Fed feeding spies to participate
>from  their formal open company accounts as well as there long present
covert accounts in MAM.  Arlin invited them to use and to abuse MAM on two
fronts.  Then Arlin admits in posts that his intention is to abuse and
disrupt MAM.  

These vile acts due by there very nature endanger MAM, the militias and
all they want to represent that is good in America.  So how does MAM deal
with real traitors????   ARLIN IS A TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now I admit that I started the thread to have Arlin banished since we know
that he is a full supporter of Nizcor.  I saw this a something quite
different than the strange MAM charter that does not up hold the
Consititution.  The list of persons to ban that was started by Sheldon
Sheps an ADL member (check out his web page or the thread post where I
list all the jewish hate groups that he supports and that support him. 
Mark Pitcavage is a partner of his and even confirmed this.)

>ROFLMAO!  as I pointed out to annazi, I've been here over two years and
am
>still here, you've been here one month and are being banned...I'll let
the
>record speak for itself.
>
>Arlin H. Adams


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Re: MAM Wimps' Ban Violates the Spirit of the Constitution

In article <847324103$12004@atype.com>, Robert Ireland 
writes:

>Brian Smith wrote:
>> 
>> mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) wrote:
>> 
>> >First off, it is not "Militia Watch," it is "The Militia Watchdog."
>> 
>> Whatever, Mike.
>> 
>>>Secondly, though you do not know it, Sheldon Sheps has worked to stop
>>>previous banning attempts in the past.  The fact that he has proposed
this
>>>banishment, and the fact that he is supported by both pro- and anti-
militia >>>posters in this newsgroup should suggest to you exactly how
disgusting and >>>repulsive you are.
>> 
>> I don't doubt that Sheldon Sheps (U) OPPOSES censorship whenever it
>> benefits HIS agenda.
>> 
>> Brian Smith
>> www.natall.com
>-- 
>Actually, you still don't get it.  We just plain don't want to associate
with nazi shits >like you.  Since we were here first, and you've been told
your not wanted yet >continue to disrupt this NG, we have decided to
attempt to clean up the crap.  The >Bannishment proceedure is our way of
saying, "don't let the door hit you in the ass >on the way out."
>
>Go home to your nazi loving friends, you puke.
>
>Robert Ireland
>aircav@zapcom.net
>
>"Liberty is not free, it must be fought for every day."
>
>Web Page: http://www.zapcom.net/~aircav

This is really pretty hillarious.  How many MAM readers participate in
other NG's on usenet??  I have never in all the groups I participate in,
get information from, and read on a regular basis have I ever seen this
bizzare anti-freespeech anti Constitution approach like I see in MAM.  

When I first heard the rambles about banning I thought you had to be
kidding.  Then I saw the charter that you have evidently pressured your
moderator into creating due to past events.  There are many points about
this whole matter which should be disturbing to MAM.  The first being that
I have never seen nor heard of any MODERATED newgroup on Usenet ever
banning persons or addresses.  And even is in all the vast cyber universe
if some have it most certainly was not for simple differences in ideology
or opinion.  The simple fact that it is MODERATED means that there is a
screening process for posts.  I would think that if the MAM readers want
this "screening process" altered they would be kind and approach their
moderator in a fashion that is agreeable with all parties. 

 The next point is that here we are in MAM "The Land of the Free", The
home of the flag wavers, the meeting place where those who respect America
and the Constitution come to share many different ideas and to most of all
hold these things high and to respect them.  The biggest joke on Usenet is
going to be how the flag wavers and Constitutionalists are the most
hipocritical group of humans on Usenet.  No one else ever bans, they
sometimes move from unmoderated to moderated.  The fact that this addition
to your charter exists is in direct violation to the Constitution and the
born right as American citizens to FREE SPEECH.

Think back to when we went to the polls yesterday and think about all the
many years you have done so in the past and now think to the future, can
you ever imagine having something up for referendum or vote to "Take away"
a right that is just that "A RIGHT".. as in not negotiable.. as in
protected by the Constitution.  Now lets move into the realm of
cyber-space where people from all over the planet and even some out in
space (those shared dialogs with astronauts) can share anything they want
any time they want.  I seems that though we all have different governments
and political ideologies we have insured that the internet is a sanctuary
to FREE SPEECH!!!  

All over the internet web sites wear ribbons stating that they promote
FREE SPEECH.  They even give award banners for this such thing.  Many
sites around the world "mirror" other sites to insure that the right to
FREE SPEECH and the right for others on the net to read what is posted is
protected.  So when foreign governments ban sites, citizens of Earth unite
in protecting FREE SPEECH no matter what their own views.  This is done
everyday around the world and yet here in MAM you want to undermind the
very things you claim to hold so valuable and dear??!!  I say this is
crazy.. this would them become one of the largest publized media campaigns
to again make fun of militias.  Why of why would MAM ever do anything so
stupid, fundamentally wrong, unconstitutional, Illegal, and hipocritical

Do I need to post the Consitution & the Bill of Right to MAM tommorow to
remind MAM why we are all here and what we hold so high and why??!!

Let me also remind you all that I (my name or address) have not been
brought up for  banning.  Nor have others who are and are not NA who
happen to believe differently than Shep and Arlin.  I would also like to
remind MAM that the list of persons to being banned is a list of
individuals who have not disrupted, been abusive, not used foul language,
not insulted women, not threatened anyone, nor instigated illegal activity
as many other MAM members have.. and many of these violators are on the
list of those origional 8 who asked for a ban.  Now back to the list of
proposed bannies.. these men are of different back grounds, different
beliefs, religions and affilitations to different organizations and
militias.. yet Arlin and others just added some of these men to the list
out of brazen contempt and over reaction to any critisism to what ever
their rant of the day is.  There is one man on the list that I noticed
only twice posted something that questioned Arlin and started some dialog
and discussion.. but that is impossible to have with Arlin since he is not
a rational man.. he instead attacked, called names, assumed affilications
and insulted a man who merly wanted to particpate in MAM and disguse
things..    This has happened over and over agian in MAM and is the vile
product of a few who dominate the posts with there childish dribble.   


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In article <847384399$17149@atype.com>, pka00085@alpha.wvup.wvnet.edu
(jrs) writes:

> (copy emailed to moderator)
>This is a formal request for supporters to submit to the moerator of
>this newsgroup regarding the banning of:
>
> Ann Daltyn      anndaltyn@aol.com
>
>from Misc.activism.militia for the max period of 90 days.
>
>The rationale for this banning proposal is the same as the rationale
>for the proposal currently being voted on (Daltyn was probably
>inadvertently overlooked) namely: consistently posting off topic, and
>particularly because the off topic postings are of particularly
>repugnant nature.

I ask you where and when have I been "off topic"?  I have for the most
part participated in discussions that were always already going on.  I
also posted patriotic and historic information. I answered other MAM
persons questions, added information and assistance when and where I
could.  I shared and was courteous and helpful with members of MAM that
were not belligerent and who were friendly and open.  I over looked and
did not participate in the many off topic threads that were started by
many of the ranting so called "militia leaders".  I have been the light of
grace and have shown that I have self control, unlike some of those "so
called militia members" who are not on your un-Constitutional ban list.   
I have never posted anything "repugnant"!!  I have never threatened
anyone!!!  I have never used foul language!!  I have never made nasty and
degrading comments about women as some of these so called "militia
leaders" do.  I have never been abusive to anyone accept in my exposing
Arlin H. Adams for what he has been proven by me & my other friends
(including many on MAM who are not on your silly ban list) to be a friend
of the ADL, Nizkor and an enemy of true patriots.  The persons on your
unConstitutional, violation of FREE SPEECH ban list have behaived like
ladies and gentleman and have done nothing of the sort that you bring up
nor the menacing things that some "so called militia leaders" have done..

So tell me why are you so against the Constitution and FREE SPEECH?  I
like you and all of MAM have the ability to read or not read threads and
posts.  I like all of MAM often find topic of threads or the migration of
topics within threads to be not of interest to me.  MAM is a resource, a
place for information and the exchange of ideas.. kind of like the public
library.. being full of many books, many topics, many ideas.  MAM is a
place where MISC. &/or Activism &/or  Militia topics are discussed.  But
also in MAM we have many open and upfront enemies of Militias whom you
allow to roam and post freely... such as Shelden Sheps (who has been
proven in many threads with full documentation and confirmation to be a
real enemy to America and patriots and to be a confirmed partner of Mark
Pitcavage), Mark Pitcavage, and many others..   then we have the feds, the
ADL main arms, the Nizcor agents and supporters.. and you will see that it
is quite silly for you to support what you are proposing.

Let us also remember who initiated the formal proposal to ban (in this
unConstitutional manner denying FREE SPEECH) it was the known militia
enemy Sheldon Sheps.  Now lets look at motive.  It seems to me it very
well is because many of us members of MAM who happen to also be members of
the National Alliance ( http://www.natvan.com   http://www.natall.com )
and others have used our resources, connections, and networking skills to
expose for MAM it's real enemies.  This is what it all comes down to. 
Then we have some other unstable MAM participants like Arlin Adams, Mike
Medenez, Ireland, Hummer, Wiz, etc.. who have been very abusive an posted
total lies, strange scenarios, death threats, used very foul language,
made fun of lots of members of MAM's religions and denigrated and demeaned
women in general.  

Think about what the motives have been in MAM for the last 2 months..
think about what the enemies of patriots want.. then think about how a few
good members of MAM have been placed on some sick list for banning..  for
what???  Any argument or reasoning you use can be placed to those
mentioned above 10 fold..  not on any of those on the banning list.

If you go through with this banning process you will make MAM the laughing
stock of cyber-space.  How can "patriots", keepers of the Constitution,
honorers of the Founding Fathers, be for this abhorrent attack at FREE
SPEECH.   I can see the headlines now, the mockery that will be made of
Militias.  The sound bites on the radio and the lead-ins on the TV. 
Sick.. how low will you let the perversion of America go?!!  MILITIA
MEMBERS ARE HIPOCRITES!!  read all about it.....


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Re: note to the supremacist types

In article <847360132$14953@atype.com>, medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike
S. Medintz) writes:

>Whilst completely naked, Brian Smith said unto us:
>
>>But hey, don't take my advice, I'm probably steering you wrong.  The
>>more freaks, bull-dykes, and buggerers in your units, the better!  
>>Remember, you can't "discriminate" (hee hee).  That would be
>>"immoral"! (snicker)
>
>Hell, if they can shoot well, march 20 miles under load without bitching
>about it, and have something against killing non-combatants, they're
>worth something in a militia context.
>
>Unlike certain nazoids who I could name but won't.
>--
>Mike S. Medintz :"And the good lord giveth, and he taketh away,
> 		: and the restless shall go, and the faithful shall stay
>KB9ODS		:...and the rain came down."-Steve Earle, poet.

Oh do tell Mickie.. do tell.. entertain us with another Medintz lurid
story.. Don't be such a lie tease Mike, just get it over with..

And while your at it tell us about the behaviour, practices, attitudes and
abuses that the members of you 'militia" participate in..  And what was
the name and location of this 'organization" again??  Because this gives
any real American Patriots the advantage to know to stay away from the
likes of you and your merry band of freaks.


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In article <847415905$19707@atype.com>, johannes@ix.netcom.com (John C.
Stephens III) writes:
>
>Have a look at alt.politics.white-power.  They're getting their asses
>kicked on their home turf, too.  No wonder they're trying to migrate.
>
>John 

I have never subscribed nor read that group.  So I have no idea what you
are refering to.  I will bet you that most of the members of your silly,
unconstitutional, violation of FREE SPEECH banning list have never been
there either. 

You can take my word for it or search for yourself. Should be easy enough
to check.


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Re: FLASH - Pierre Salinger on TWA #800: "Navy Missile Shot Down TWA
Flight 800"

In article <847436617$20847@atype.com>, wjb3@mindspring.com (Billy Beck)
writes:

>Subject:	FLASH - Pierre Salinger on TWA #800: "Navy Missile Shot
Down TWA
>Flight 800"
>From:	wjb3@mindspring.com (Billy Beck)
>Date:	Fri, 8 Nov 96 7:03:37 GMT
>
>	Ladies & gentlemen:
>
>	The following was posted to alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater
by
>mountainguy@pipeline.com (Joe Friday) -
>
>9 Pm Mountain Time
>CBS Radio News Lead Story:
>Pierre Salinger, former Press Secretary for JFK
>announced in Paris this evening that he has documents
>from the Secret Service which state that TWA 800
>was shot down accidently by US Navy personel on
>a training exercise.
>===================================================
>IT WAS WITHHELD UNTIL TWO DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION
>What did Mr. Clinton know, and when did he know it?
>
>JOE FRIDAY
>
>	(end post)
>
>	Also: see the story at
http://foxnews.com/news/wires/n_1107_302.sml
>
>	Pierre Salinger Claims Navy Missile Shot Down TWA Flight 800
>
>	November 7, 1996 10.20 pm EST (0320 GMT)
>
>					*****
>
>	What did Clinton know and when did he know it?
>
>Billy
>
>"Anthology"
>http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/free/essays.html


My sources told me that that was the case the day after it happened.
Clinton knew what happened the day it happened.  (I posted in this here &
a few other places before)

The French & European media have been in an uproar since it happened since
they even knew what happened and yet the US was playing some sick game
with lies, obfuscation, and "theories".  

It was well known by all pilots (foreign and domestic) who flew in and
around the airport.  They were all told to stick to a tight flight pattern
for a period of time due to the Navy doing the missile exercises for a
while.

There had even been a few "close calls" that caused a stink before TWA 800
was hit and knocked down.  The US pilots and the Navy sailors were
threatened.  Notice how Secretary of Defense Perry (in charge of all
branches of the military... i.e  the NAVY included) had cover his butt
with paper work and then quickly get the heck out of the White House, all
while hoping Klinton doesn't start whacking people again.  

Also another fact that had no purpose or seemed reason to hide or not
publicize is the fact that TWA flight 800 that goes to Paris has the final
destination to Tel Aviv, Israel.  The same plane is used but the flight
number is changed once in Paris (as many European flights do).

A friend of mines family (wife & all his children) were supposed to be on
TWA flight 800.  Fortunately for us that early evening, he was to hurry
home to drive his family to a local airport that was going to fly his
family to NY to make the connecting TWA 800 flight and then take that
flight on to Paris, he and I became engaged in an interesting and in-depth
conversation about present US policy and the state of America and he ended
up being late taking his family to the airport.   You can imagine my
horror when the TV went on in the morning as I was getting ready for the
day and I saw what I saw.  I was very upset..   It took a few hours for me
to find out that our conversation and intense focus on our subject matter
caused him to be late that evening making his family miss the local flight
that would have placed them on their ticketed plane TWA Flight 800.  They
caught the next flight to NY and then got on the next available flight to
Paris.  His wife and oldest children found out once in Paris what had
happened. She was a wreck, the older kids frightened to come home later in
the summer and the little children were kept in the dark.   SCARY
situation for everyone.

Now back to how Klinton, the Senate and Congress, the Military, and the
media will handle this.  This is a big cover up that only served Klinton
and his needs to not have yet another scandal before the election.

BTW all you fools out there who voted for Klinton!!, one of the big chants
>from  the NWO commies at the White house is Klinton 96, Gore 97..  he is is
their NWO glory.. he is their puppet, Klinton was an expendable, childish,
selfish bafoon.

Article below:

By PAT MILTON
.c The Associated Press 

    NEW YORK (Nov. 8) - The Navy, FBI and civilian investigators denied a
claim Friday by former newsman Pierre Salinger that a Navy ship
accidentally shot down TWA Flight 800 while conducting missile tests,
killing all 230 people aboard.

    ''The so-called 'friendly fire' explanation has been thoroughly
pursued with the full cooperation of the U.S. Department of Defense and
has been found to be totally without foundation,'' the FBI, Navy and the
National Transportation Safety Board said in a joint statement.

    The agencies reiterated the three possible explanations for the
tragedy: a bomb, a missile or a mechanical malfunction.

    ''As I stand here Friday, we don't know what caused this tragedy,''
FBI Assistant Director James Kallstrom told reporters this afternoon.
''We've never taken the missile theory off the board.''

    Salinger, a former ABC News correspondent and former spokesman for
President Kennedy, told reporters in Cannes, France, that he was willing
to give the FBI a document containing ''very important details that show
the plane was brought down by a U.S. Navy missile.''

    At a seaside hotel, he displayed two crumpled pages which he said was
the document he received five weeks earlier. He would not let reporters
read it.

    Salinger said it showed the Navy was testing missiles off New York and
was told planes would be flying above 21,000 feet. The Navy was unaware
Flight 800 was flying at 13,000 feet because another commercial plane was
flying above it, he said.

    Kallstrom, who is heading the criminal probe into the explosion, said
investigators ''have looked at this thoroughly and we have absolutely not
one shred of evidence that it happened or it could have happened.''

    Kallstrom urged Salinger to give the document to the FBI ''as soon as
possible.''

    Asked if he was prepared to hand it over, the 71-year-old Salinger
said: ''Yes I am.'' He said the FBI had not contacted him directly,
although he said agents had visited his house in Washington, D.C. He said
he planned to spend the weekend in Paris, then travel to Boston on
Tuesday.

    Investigators have said all along that they do not know whether a
missile, mechanical failure or a bomb caused the July 17 explosion that
brought down the Paris-bound plane shortly after it left Kennedy Airport.

    They have, however, said on several occasions there is no evidence to
support the idea of ''friendly fire'' from either a U.S. ship or aircraft.

    The FBI has received dozens of calls from people claiming to have seen
a missile at the time of the explosion. Rumors that the aircraft was shot
down by friendly fire also have abounded on the Internet.

    Lt. Cmdr. Rob Newell, a Navy spokesman at the Pentagon, said the
Navy's only aircraft in the area at the time was a P-3 Orion
anti-submarine plane.

    He said the nearest warship, the USS Normandy, an Aegis-type missile
cruiser, was 185 miles to the south and was not conducting weapons drills.
Its computer-driven, long-range radar system was on ''low power,''
reaching out only 130 miles, and ''couldn't even see the TWA plane,''
Newell said.

    The Normandy's Standard anti-aircraft missiles, which are linked to
the radar by computer, have a maximum range of about 90 miles, he said.

    Salinger, former vice chairman of Burson-Marsteller, a
Washington-based public relations firm, first made his remarks at an
aviation conference in Cannes on Thursday. ''The truth must come out,'' he
told some 150 executives of the Air Promotion Group. About 40 airlines,
including American carriers, are linked to the group.

    ''The original document was written by an American but it was given to
me by someone in French intelligence in Paris,'' he said. The American
''was tied to the U.S. Secret Service and has important contacts in the
U.S. Navy.'' He refused to elaborate.

    The Secret Service's Brian Gimlet said the agency ''has absolutely no
information'' that one of its agents gave Salinger any such document.

    Salinger said the document was dated Aug. 22 and was posted on the
Internet in September. He did not know the letter's Internet site and said
he hadn't seen the site himself.

    At least one Internet posting in September included a letter
attributed to an unidentified former ''safety chairman'' of the Air Line
Pilots Association. The letter said Flight 800 ''was shot down by a U.S.
Navy guided missile ship which was in area W-105'' off the southeast coast
of Long Island, which it said was used by the military for missile
firings.

    An ALPA spokesman has called the claim far-fetched. Officials have
denied any Navy ships were conducting missile tests in the area at the
time.

    Salinger said he decided to go public after the media ignored a story
in Paris Match magazine last week that examined the missile theory.

    The article prominently featured a photograph taken the night of the
explosion that appeared to show a cigar-shaped object crossing the sky.
The Associated Press examined the picture in July and recognized that in
order for the photographer to have captured the view from the deck of the
Long Island restaurant where it was taken she must have been facing north
- away from the crash into the Atlantic Ocean.

    Linda Kabot, who was photographing a party, conceded at the time the
photo ''couldn't show anything in relation to the actual crash.''

    Salinger said ''some very important people'' he showed the document to
had told him to wait until after Tuesday's U.S. elections because
officials ''probably won't tell the truth until after the American
election.''

    Kallstorm called that ''just pure, utter nonsense. It's outrageous.''

    If investigators determined that a missile brought the plane down, he
said, ''We're not going to sweep it under the rug.''

      AP-NY-11-08-96 1427EST
- - - - - - - -
Copyright 1996 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP
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Re: Pennsylvania groups

In article <847315215$10757@atype.com>, daddison@lville.mindspring.com
(Don Addison) writes:

>lordkano!@ghplus.infi.net (Lord Kano) wrote:
>
>>In article <847163029$22326@atype.com>, dthomp33@aol.com (DThomp33)
wrote:
>
>>> Are there any in Pa.?? 
>
>>Appearantly there are, but I've been looking for over a month and I have
>>been unsuccessful.
>
>>Lord Kano
>>--
>>To email remove the ! from my address.  
>http://www.users.fast.net/~klh/pa.patriot
>klh@fast.net

>***************************************************************
>If Ignorance is bliss then I'd rather be miserable.
>Don's Better Half
>Darla

I think Kano means to say he has been unsucessful.  And this post below
just might be a representation of why.  It seems Kano is certainly not
going to win new friends with his strange sense of history, genetics, and
his all around personal nature.  

Kano..  why don't you go to the local indian tribes and lead them in
forming a militia.  This seems to be something that you would really get
into.

Re: Pennsylvania groups

In article <847315215$10757@atype.com>, daddison@lville.mindspring.com
(Don Addison) writes:

>lordkano!@ghplus.infi.net (Lord Kano) wrote:
>
>>In article <847163029$22326@atype.com>, dthomp33@aol.com (DThomp33)
wrote:
>
>>> Are there any in Pa.?? 
>
>>Appearantly there are, but I've been looking for over a month and I have
>>been unsuccessful.
>
>>Lord Kano
>
>>--
>>To email remove the ! from my address.  
>http://www.users.fast.net/~klh/pa.patriot
>klh@fast.net

>***************************************************************
>If Ignorance is bliss then I'd rather be miserable.
>Don's Better Half
>Darla

I think Kano means to say he has been unsucessful.  And his 2 posts just
might be a representation of why.  It seems Kano is certainly not going to
win new friends with his strange sense of history, genetics, and his all
around personal nature.  

Kano..  why don't you go to the local indian tribes and lead them in
forming a militia.  This seems to be something that you would really get
into.

[I sent this to MAM days ago & it never came up.. but now I have seen that
some of idiots like Arlin & fools have called this nigger as Nazi... that
is hillarious.  And some of you have been doing some nigger bashing... 
sounds to me and everyone else like you sickos are a bunch of hipocrates!!


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Re: Charter Documents of the Republic

In article <847309690$10174@atype.com>, altcndadit@aol.com writes:

>Subject:	Re: Charter Documents of the Republic
>From:	altcndadit@aol.com
>Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 96 19:48:10 GMT
>
>
>>Dear Reader:  I also suggest you include the Federalist Papers among 
>>your reading.
>
>Yes, I've made a brief inquiry to review those documents. Mr. Newt would
>have one to believe that it is a single paperback or small article in the
>"Reader's Digets" but is rather a series of articles published in
>newspapers prior to ratification (I believe) of the Constitution (
>according to my researcher). There are numerous books in print which
>discuss those articles. The original articles can be viewed under glass
>just like the other founding documents. I haven't checked the on-line
link
>to the Declaration but does it also cover the Federalist Papers?
>
>BTW, subverted, subversive on-line representations of the Charter
>Documents would be an easy way for certain amoral groups whose main
>purpose is to de-stablize governments far and near to manipulate segments
>within the ever more hazy borders. How does one know that the on-line
>copies are an ACCURATE representation of the originals? Do they have some
>sort of serial number that can be confirmed by a reputable source such as
>a notary?

Since you are using AOL you can just goto the software/program download
center and do a search for the Federalist papers.  It is a large program
that contains all the works, that are broken up into many sections by
author and topic.  It seems to be very lengthy and I have enjoyed reading
a great portion of them.  I believe is does give some references as to
where this person aquired them.  I would assume it is still on AOL but I
downloaded it almost 2 years ago.


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Re: VOTE ON THE BANISHMENT PROPOSAL. NOW IS THE TIME

In article <847277288$6888@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
writes:

>On Wed, 6 Nov 96 2:19:13 GMT, dbuxton@exis.net (Darrell Buxton) wrote:
>
>>pka00085@alpha.wvup.wvnet.edu (jrs) wrote:
>>
>>>I encourage all to VOTE on the banishment proposal that has been put
>>>forward in this newsgroup. This is a chance reclaim this newsgroup
>>>from the pond scum who have taken over. This is not censorship. This
>>>is a moderated newsgroup, and being such, is akin to a private club.
>>>If these racists insist on posting off topic the NG can ban them.
>>
>>>Please vote.
>>
>>Since this is election day, and I have been voting on other obscure
>>referendums, I feel your post deserves a response.
>>
>>To put it simply, IF this is a moderated newsgroup, then it is the
>>moderator who controls the pace and subject matter. Every time I send
>>a message here I get an email response of approval or disapproval. 
>>
>>Banishment, or even a vote on banishment is not something that "we"
>>are supposedly adhereing to in our beliefs. To do so would be a sure
>>sign of hypocrisy of the highest form. 
>>
>>Like others, I have had run ins with the defendants. Unlike others, I
>>said my piece and left it at that. Continuing to throw daggers at
>>these "gentlemen" merely gives them the same kind of resolve we have
>>all had to garner since OKC. 
>>
>>YOUR views have been banished from America's forum. How does it effect
>>your personal resolve? Banning is not the answer. Banning is something
>>the opponents view as proof of "selective" censorship, yet another
>>lable they pin on the militia.
>>
>>Many are worried about the "appearance" such posts may have on the
>>perceptions of visitors to the newsgroup. Some have even claimed that
>>the posts are by federal agents posing as white supremists. Well, rest
>>assured, the militia reputation isn't exactly equal with someone like
>>Clinton. There ARE white supremeists in the militia, whether you want
>>them there or not. It is a fact  we must deal with. As for federal
>>agents, well prove it or shut up. Regardless, most visitors have firm
>>convictions, one way or the other. Changing that view by individual
>>postings is very slim. 
>>Darrell,
>
> Thank you for your honesty. I have personally tried my hardest to
>remain civil since I first found this topic. It is with great joy,
>that I see a normal non-threatening post presenting an honest opinion.
>
> In a vote for censorship, I will always vote NO. Let the moderator
>know that this is my offical vote. I have always believed that all
>ideas are open for discussion and since I am not religious or
>politically correct, there is no subject which I am not prepared to
>discuss on logic grounds. 
>
> Again, that you for your honest remarks. They (Arlin, Mike, Wiz and
>all the Nizis) should be calling you a Nazi and sending you
>threatening mail within the hour. 
>
>Best Regards
>
>Vincent

Let us not forget another one who will be spewing more threats is Robert
Ireland.



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>Subj:	Re: MAM Whimps' Ban Violates the Spirit of the Constitution
>Date:	96-11-07 20:59:35 EST
>From:	militia-request@atype.com
>CC:	anndaltyn@aol.com

>The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been
posted as >well.

>[I've already said enough to Ann about topicality vs philosophy, so I'm
going
>to skip straight to factual errors.  If she's still confused about
things, she
>can send me email directly.  She wrote a good troll, though.  --deh!]

This is a lie.  I have never recieved any mail from you ever in all my
time at MAM.  Why would you post this?? What would be your motive.???  

>In article <847402384$18528@atype.com> anndaltyn@aol.com writes:
>> When I first heard the rambles about banning I thought you had to be
>> kidding.  Then I saw the charter that you have evidently pressured your
>> moderator into creating due to past events.

>Actually, all big 8 newsgroups have charters; it's part of the newsgroup
creation >process.  Other than a minor wording change in the first
paragraph, & different >moderation addresses, the one you've seen is
identical to the original.

Yes they have charters but it is rather unheard of to ban.  I have been in
many groups for many reasons and this has never occured to anyone while I
was reading those groups.  Why would MAM that stands for FREE SPEECH, the
freedom of information, the uncovering of our Governments, Klintons, the
NWO etc.. lies  try to put a halt to individuals that have provided a
valuable resource to MAM.  This is crazy.  

>>The simple fact that it is MODERATED means that there is a screening
>>process for posts.

>Not based on content, it isn't.  This makes me suspect that you haven't
>actually read the charter.

In some groups this is the case..  even in cooking groups, bookclubs,
music groups, genealogy, history, art, cars, weightlifing etc..   little
fights go on an the members take it to private e-mail if it is a personal
battle.  But when it effected the group the ideas and thoughts were
allowed to be heard by all those who subscribed to the newgroup they just
were asked to limit the battle relivant posts to a few threads.  This in
know way prevented any of those from participating in any other thread or
topic & was a way of maintianing freedom of information on th internet.

>> Why of why would MAM ever do anything so stupid, fundamentally wrong,
>> unconstitutional, Illegal, and hipocritical

>Well, the first two and the last one are subjective, but unconstitutional
& Illegal >(sic) are well-defined.  And incorrect.  Try asking in
misc.legal.moderated.

The this is that I do have many friends who are lawyers and a few judges,
I have even been present and somtimes a participant in court cases
regaurding FREEDOM OF SPEECH.  This can be regaurded a a violation of
those rights.

>There is an ironic aspect to some of the things that Ann says, but it can
wait
>until after the 19th.

>David Hollingsworth, operator of moderation robot, misc.activism.militia
>militia-request@atype.com

What happens on the 19th David??
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
full post below:

Re: MAM Wimps' Ban Violates the Spirit of the Constitution

In article <847324103$12004@atype.com>, Robert Ireland 
writes:

>Brian Smith wrote:
>> 
>> mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) wrote:
>> 
>> >First off, it is not "Militia Watch," it is "The Militia Watchdog."
>> 
>> Whatever, Mike.
>> 
>>>Secondly, though you do not know it, Sheldon Sheps has worked to stop
>>>previous banning attempts in the past.  The fact that he has proposed
this
>>>banishment, and the fact that he is supported by both pro- and anti-
militia >>>posters in this newsgroup should suggest to you exactly how
disgusting and >>>repulsive you are.
>> 
>> I don't doubt that Sheldon Sheps (U) OPPOSES censorship whenever it
>> benefits HIS agenda.

Sheldon is well known & we know why Shelly is doing this.  He is pissed
that we have shown you that he is reponsible for giving info to the
militias enemies.  And that he is a pawn of ADL, Dees and NIzcor
>> 
>> Brian Smith
>> www.natall.com
>-- 
>Actually, you still don't get it.  We just plain don't want to associate
with nazi shits >like you.  Since we were here first, and you've been told
your not wanted yet >continue to disrupt this NG, we have decided to
attempt to clean up the crap.  The >Bannishment proceedure is our way of
saying, "don't let the door hit you in the ass >on the way out."
>
>Go home to your nazi loving friends, you puke.
>
>Robert Ireland
>aircav@zapcom.net
>
>"Liberty is not free, it must be fought for every day."
>
>Web Page: http://www.zapcom.net/~aircav

This coming from the man who e-mails death threats.. charming

This is really pretty hillarious.  How many MAM readers participate in
other NG's on usenet??  I have never in all the groups I participate, in
get information from and read on a regular basis have I ever seen this
bizzare anti-freespeech, anti Constitution approach like I see in MAM.  

When I first heard the rambles about banning I thought you had to be
kidding.  Then I saw the charter that you have evidently pressured your
moderator into creating due to past events.  There are many points about
this whole matter which should be disturbing to MAM.  The first being that
I have never seen nor heard of any MODERATED newgroup on Usenet ever
banning persons or addresses.  The simple  fact that it is MODERATED means
that there is a screening process for posts.  I would think that if the
MAM readers want this "screening process" altered they would be kind and
approach their moderator in a fashion that is agreeable with all parties. 

 The next point is that here we are in MAM "The Land of the Free", The
home of the flag wavers, the meeting place where those who respect America
and the Constitution come to share many different ideas and to most of all
hold these things high and to respect them.  The biggest joke on Usenet is
going to be how the flag wavers and Constitutionalists are the most
hipocritical group of humans on Usenet.  No one else ever bans, they
sometimes move from unmoderated to moderated.  The fact that this addition
to your charter exists is in direct violation to the Constitution and the
born RIGHT as American citizens to freespeech.

Think back to when we went to the polls yesterday and think about all the
many years you have done so in the past and now think to the future, can
you ever imagine having something up for referendum or vote to "Take away"
a right that is just that "A RIGHT".. as in not negotiable.. as in
protected by the Constitution.  Now lets move into the realm of
cyber-space where people from all over the planet and even some out in
space (those shared dialogs with astronauts) can share anything they want
any time they want.  I seems that though we all have different governments
and political ideologies we have insured that the internet is a sanctuary
to FREE SPEECH!!!  and the exchange of ideas and information.

On the internet web sites wear ribbons stating that they promote FREE
SPEECH.  Many sites around the world "mirror" other sites to insure that
the right to FREE SPEECH, the exchange of ideas and information and to
insure the right for others on the net to read what is posted/presented is
protected.  So when foreign governments ban sites, citizens of Earth unite
in protecting FREE SPEECH no matter what their own views.  This is done
everyday around the world and yet here in MAM you want to undermind the
very things you claim to hold so valuable and dear??!!  I say this is
crazy.. this would then become one of the largest publized media campaigns
to again make fun of militias.  Why oh why would MAM ever do anything so
stupid, fundamentally wrong, unconstitutional, Illegal, and hipocritical

Do I need to post the Consitution & the Bill of Right to MAM tommorow to
remind MAM why we are all here and what we hold so high and why??!!  (or
even some of the "Federalist papers, the Charters to the Republic)

Let me also remind you all that I (my name or address) have not been
brought up for  banning.  I would also like to remind MAM that the list of
persons to be banned is full of some members of MAM who are just like you
and I. Many of these members simply disagreed with something Arlin said
once and then he called the person a NAZI and asked to have them banned. 
Is this how you operate?? Is this the methodes that MAM whats to employ?? 
How can one sick mans tyranical acts full of dubious motive be allowed to
create some silly mob mentality in MAM where you just ban anyone who has
opposing views, different religions, ideologies and back grounds.. 
Because this is what I see Arlin and a few do every day.   Yes those
hipocrates who state they have open and eglitarian militias but yet who
are the worst offenders I have ever seen.  These are the real scum of the
militias.




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Re: MAM is about the militia, not race

In article <847290796$7446@atype.com>, Charles Winters 
writes:

>Subject:	MAM is about the militia, not race

I look at it this way, tell me what MAM is about..  because I see MAM
about not letting Klinton and other foreign interests bastardize our laws
to their ends, and to stop the moral decay in our cities.  I see MAM as
Misc.Activism.Militia.  I see MAM as wanting to uphold the ideals of our
founding fathers, as respecting the intent of the Constitution and in
preserving of Folk.  All this does connect to race.  But this race is not
about or what all of Mr. Smiths or any of my NA friends posting themes are
about.  We have been present in many discussions on a wide array of
topics.  We have intered o threads that were started by others and stayed
on topic. We have created new threads asking militia specific questions. 
It is some members of MAM who want to deny others in MAM free reign to
read, share and discuss knowledge.  Sheldon Sheps (enemie of militias,
known ADL spy) started this ban process and the other traitors, lemmings,
and fools have followed in step..  pretty pathetic.  MAM lower your head
in shame!!!!!!!!!!

For further information about the National Alliance goto
http://www.natvan.com  http://www.natall.com   and listen to our worldwide
radio show American Dissident Voices.

>Brian Smith wrote:
>> 
>> Again, we do not have "Nazi" uniforms nor uniforms of ANY kind.  The
>> NA is not a "Hollywood Nazi" operation although you obviously want to
>> pigeonhole us that way, regardless of whatever the facts are.  Facts
>> are something you obviously care NOTHING about.

The National Alliance does not call itself a Nazi anything.  And I myself
am not a nazi.  I am a Nationalist.  I care about America.  I honor my
ancestors and my folk.

>> We are just normal, everyday White Americans who are fed up with the
>> genocide and savage destruction of our people.  Your intent is to make
>> the NA out to be ostentatious, and that is completely contradicted by
>> the facts of our organization.
>> 
>> Sorry:  I guess you'll have to just come up with some other bit of
>> disinformation in your "truth be damned" crusade to smear the National
>> Alliance.
>> 
>> Brian Smith
>> www.natall.com
>
>Dear Mr. Smith:  Your point is well taken, many who hold your position on
>racial matters are not Nazis.  I have never heard of the National
Alliance before
>reading about it on MAM, and I have no intention in smearing it.  Rather
I >encourage militiamen and women to shun all attempts to invade MAM with
>off-topic discussions on race, religion, abortion or other unrelated,
emotional >matters.  

The shunning idea is silly to an extended degree.  Posts to MAM are there
and they can be read or not read it the topic does not interest you.  For
a real delve into a busy newsgroup that often goes of topic but is
understood you should try the genealogy groups...  there can be hundreds
of posts that go off on tangents about manuscripts or book illuminations..
 it is a nice change of pace and a chance to be exposed to other things.. 
and yet if you are of the mind to not read about them you just don't have
to.  BTW I really do recommend the genealogy groups and lists they are
very very informative and exciting.  

>My only experience with racists are the plain jane types we have here in
the
>NW and they all seem to fit the "Nazi" profile, i.e., swastikas,
adulation of
>Hitler, affiliation with skinheads, violence against hippies, jews,
queers, blacks
>and anyone else that doesn't fit their stereotyped image of white
Americans.  They >are all that different from the neo-Nazis in Germany and
elsewhere in Europe.  I will
>grant you there are some, such as the NA, who are simply organized
racists >without any of the totalitarian trappings of the past.  
>
>Its still a free country, at least for a while, and I grant you your
right to
>hold your views as long as you don't harm anyone else, especially
hippies, jews,
>gypsies, etc.  But what do your racist views have to do with the militia?
 Why >MAM?  I am sure there are newsgroups dedicated to racist themes. 
Are you >trying to win converts or just disrupt our discussion?  I
advocate shunning racists, >but since you took the time to respond to my
post in an intelligent manner, I felt >obligated to respectfully reply in
kind. - CW

No harm has ever been done to MAM by any NA member individually or by the
organization.  So don't fall for what these spies, agents, and traitors
want MAM to believe.  They saw NA members as a threat even when on a
totally independent basis as our participation in MAM.  They do not want
MAM to know the things that we can share, and they certainly did not want
us to tell you who they were.  But once we exposed them they called for an
unconstitutional violation of some MAM members free speech rights.  Right
that can not be denied, rights that will always be theirs and can not be
voted away.  BTW I am not on the ban list and there have been persons
placed on that list from every spectrum of militia life but who just
happened to have stepped on some of the traitors toes, and some who dared
in 1 post to ask some questions that Arlin, Mark, Shep, Ireland, Wiz and
others found uncomfortable.  Think about that.  Because why don't we ask
our kind moderator how many persons are presently subscribed to  MAM. 
Then you take that number and assume since the National Alliance is the
largest and most professional organization of it kind (and infact stands
alone in quality, intelligence, honor, dedication, and productivity of
members and the fact that we have members and supporters the whole planet
over) then you can imagine how many members are in your militias, teachers
in your schools, friendly law officers in your neighborhoods, PhDs,
Doctors, Lawyers, technicians, musicians, artists, poets, writers,
seismologists, welders, loggers, Vets, Real-estate agents, stock brokers,
industry leaders, tradesmen, shop owners, chefs, students, pilots,
military, consultants, farmers, autoworkers, homemakers, computer techs,
politicians, mechanics, judges and you will see that we are everywhere and
that most certainly some members would be members of MAM.  These are only
natural progressions and involvements since National Alliance members are
individuals, many of us belong to different churches, faiths, vary  on in
many issues, and yet we are bound by our resolve to care for our children
s future and the future of our country.  We in the National Alliance work
>from  our hearts and are motivated by love and the truth to do what ever we
can to preserve our country and our people.  

Ideas and thought, sharing and debate, unity and friendship.. this is what
MAM should really be about.  The exchanging of ideas by like minded people
who follow certain threads.  While others with other interests can follow
or start other threads.  And any person who wishes to share or exchange in
any thread has the right and freedom to read them, post to them and share
them with others.  It is a Constitutionally protected right.

FREE SPEECH   MAM  FREE SPEECH   It is members of the NA who informed MAM
of who the spies were, who the traitors were and point out all the
misinformantion that is being spread to divide and conquer the militias. 
It is members of the NA who have shared their inside info, their source
information, and there research about topics vital to America and the
Militias.


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Re: Formal request for support re: banning anndaltyn@aol.com

In article <847384399$17149@atype.com>, pka00085@alpha.wvup.wvnet.edu
(jrs) writes:

> (copy emailed to moderator)
>This is a formal request for supporters to submit to the moerator of
>this newsgroup regarding the banning of:
>
> Ann Daltyn      anndaltyn@aol.com
>
>from Misc.activism.militia for the max period of 90 days.
>
>The rationale for this banning proposal is the same as the rationale
>for the proposal currently being voted on (Daltyn was probably
>inadvertently overlooked) namely: consistently posting off topic, and
>particularly because the off topic postings are of particularly
>repugnant nature.

I ask you where and when have I been "off topic"?  I have for the most
part participated in discussions that were always already going on.  I
also posted patriotic and historic information, I answered other MAM
persons questions, added information and assistance when and where I
could.  I shared and was courteous and helpful with members of MAM that
were not belligerent and who were friendly and open.  I over looked and
did not participate in the many off topic threads that were started by
many of the ranting so called "militia leaders".  I have been the light of
grace and have shown that I have self control, unlike some of those "so
called militia members" who are not on your un-Constitutional ban list.   

I have never posted anything "repugnant"!!  I have never threatened
anyone!!!  I have never used foul language!!  I have never made nasty and
degrading comments about women as some of these so called "militia
leaders" do.  I have never been abusive to anyone accept in my exposing
Arlin H. Adams for what he has been proven by me & my other friends
(including many on MAM who are not on your silly ban list) to be a friend
of the ADL, Nizkor and an enemy of true patriots.  

So tell me why are you so against the Constitution and FREE SPEECH?  I,
like you and all of MAM have the ability to read or not read threads and
posts.  I, like all of MAM often find topic of threads or the migration of
topics within threads to be not of interest to me.  MAM is a resource, a
place for information and the exchange of ideas.. kind of like the public
library.. being full of many books, many topics, many ideas.  MAM is a
place where MISC. &/or Activism &/or  Militia topics are discussed.  But
also in MAM we have many open and upfront enemies of Militias whom you
allow to roam and post freely... such as Shelden Sheps (who has been
proven in many threads with full documentation and confirmation to be a
real enemy to America and patriots and to be a confirmed partner of Mark
Pitcavage), Mark Pitcavage, and many others..   then we have the feds, the
ADL main arms, the Nizcor agents and supporters.. and you will see that it
is quite silly for you to support what you are proposing.

Let us also remember who initiated the formal proposal to ban (in this
unConstitutional manner denying FREE SPEECH) it was the known militia
enemy Sheldon Sheps.  Now lets look at motive.  It seems to me it very
well is because many of us members of MAM who happen to also be members of
the National Alliance ( http://www.natvan.com   http://www.natall.com )
have used our resources, connections, and networking skills to expose for
MAM it's real enemies.  This is what it all comes down to.  Then we have
some other unstable MAM participants like Arlin Adams, Mike Medenez,
Ireland, Hummer, Wiz, etc.. who have been very abusive an posted total
lies, strange scenarios, death threats, used very foul language, made fun
of lots of members of MAM's religions and denigrated and demeaned women in
general.  

Think about what the motives have been in MAM for the last 2 months..
think about what the enemies of patriots want.. then think about how a few
good members of MAM have been placed on some sick list for banning..  for
what???  any argument or reasoning you use can be placed to those
mentioned above 10 fold..  not on any of those on the banning list.

If you go through with this banning process you will make MAM the laughing
stock of cyber-space.  How can "patriots", keepers of the Constitution,
honorers of the Founding Fathers, be for this abhorrent attack at FREE
SPEECH.   I can see the headlines now, the mockery that will be made of
Militias.  The sound bites on the radio and the lead-ins on the TV. 
Sick.. how low will you let the perversion of America go?!!

This will make the media.. believe me.. and it will not look good for the
militias.. and especially for MAM, but it will suit the purposes of Dees,
the ADL, Nizcor and the NWO.  


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Subject: Re: appology to Diana [Should be apology to Ann Daltyn, The National Alliance & All True Patriots
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Re: appology to Diana [should be apology to Ann Daltyn, the National
Alliance & all True Patriots

>Brian Smith  http://www.natall.com  wrote:
>>ahabiz@aol.com wrote:
>
>>my most humble appologies if we offended you or any of the other
non-nazi >>women on the newsgroup.  I'm sorry, but I thought we'd made it
clear that we >>aren't even certain that the person posting under the 'ann
daltyn' pseudonym is >>female...because the neo-nazis tend to have very
stereotypical, and negative, >>views of women, the poster is most probably
male...they wouldn't allow a woman >>to post on the net, except for rare
propaganda purposes.  our intent was and is to >>throw the netnazis off
balance emotionally, and this was one effort to do so.  >>Again, my most
humble appologies for any and all remarks you found offensive.
>
>>Arlin Adams
>
>For your information Arlin, Mrs. Ann Daltyn is -indeed- a female and she
happens >to be highly attractive as well as highly intelligent. She -- as
well as all females in >the National Alliance -- is afforded the highest
respect and honor.   

Thank you very much Mr. Smith.

  I will state that the National Alliance recognizes all its members as
individuals & respects them all.  The NA sees leadership and intelligence
in its members and places positions or responsibilities accordingly,
whether a man or woman.  True the NA sees woman as traditionally the
nurtures of our race & as the bearers of the greatest gift the Creator can
give to us, our future. 

 I see that my most important duty in my life is to love & honour a
strong, intelligent man whom respects, loves and honours me & to give him
children and together to raise them in a healthy environment, full of
classical education, music, love and laughter.  I see a healthy society as
one were women do not need to go outside the home to assist supporting the
family financially as we are in this presently financial nightmare of
unstablity (as we have to in this prerevolution age.)  I see the woman s
most important role as supporting her man & as caring for, educating,
nurturing the children.  (this does not mean that he sees me a subservient
our unequal, but only as different and that these differences are
embraced, appreciated and honoured)  This would result in a much healthier
world.  The creator has made it so a man & woman are needed to make a
child & I see this as all intention that they are both needed to love,
nurture, raise, and guide that child.  When man goes back to a more
natural lifestyle then man will see the fruits of his efforts.  A future
full of intelligent, happy, loving children that honour their parents &
our Creator.

This does not mean that I can not be an important part of the political
process or in many important decision making or support roles.  This means
that my most important role is the natural role of mother.  This does not
mean that I will not work the fields with my man, get into long
philosophical discussions and debates and be respected for my ideas and
contribution, and to fight beside him when necessary.  

>However, the disgusting insults and latrine humor used by some of
>Arlin's buddies against Mrs. Daltyn, I wouldn't use on my worst enemy
>-- far less against any woman.  
>
>Brian Smith
>www.natall.com

Mr. Brian Smith is a true gentleman in every sense of the word.


In article <847738083$7626@atype.com>, pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip
Kasiecki) writes:

>In article <847727341$7045@atype.com>,Ian McKinney (mckinney@usaor.net)
wrote:
>: In message <847560863$28246@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com writes:
>:>posted and emailed
>:>
>:>Hi Diana,
>:>
>:>my most humble appologies if we offended you or any of the other
non-nazi
>:>women on the newsgroup.  I'm sorry, but I thought we'd made it clear
that
>:>we aren't even certain that the person posting under the 'ann daltyn'
>:>pseudonym is female...because the neo-nazis tend to have very
>:>stereotypical, and negative, views of women, the poster is most
probably
>:>male...they wouldn't allow a woman to post on the net, except for rare
>:>propaganda purposes. 

Arlin only back peddles now.  But he had been behaiving like this on MAM
all along.
Arlin you are a disgusting specimen of manhood.  This is why we call you
Arleen.  You have proven that you are an enemy to MAM, to militias, & to
true patriots everywhere.  You have lied, ranted about things you know
nothing about & have shown the world that you are just a vile little man
that has sold out to the enemy.  You spew all these egalitarian views &
spin out your trademarked CM militias charters etc...  but then you turn
around and go against them at every turn.  You are a two faced
hipocritical creature with out any honor.  You are obsessed with only
yourself and your needs but do and say anything that you can to reach the
objectives of your buddies the ADL, Dees, Nizkor and the other traitors
and enemies of America.  You have consistently made fun of many religions
on this list. (yet your so called charters(tm), declarations(tm) are full
of such so called rules that make that a violation.  Perahaps all that
paper is just for show & the egalitarian spew that is not only unnatural
but totally unrealistic is so crazy that even you can't get your little
gig/partyline straight), you have denigrated women, & encouraged such
abuses.

  Your little boys militias don't even acknowledge the fact that many
women can provide very effective leadership to the guidance and
reconstruction of our Nation.  You Arlin have been caught in lies over and
over again.  You Arlin refuse to answer the questions asked of you.

 You Arlin can not refute the fact that the things that us NA members have
posted on MAM are true and are fact.  The only thing you can come up with
to post after them are personal attacks, filthy potty mouth diatribes, and
more rantings about make believe fantasy conspiracies.  You Arlin are a
sick and nastily little man.  I think your real motives are the fact that
you could not be a real patriot if you tried, you Arlin are a weak man
physically, mentally, spiritually, and suffer from many character flaws. 
Arlin you are a defective specimen that can only get his anger out by
using MAM and the real patriots as fodder for your own inadequacies.  

>Utter nonsense. My wife and I just had the pleasure of meeting Ann
yesterday.

Thank you Mr. McKinney.   It was a pleasure meeting you and your lovely
family also.  My only regret is that time and the social demands of the
evening did not allow us to have even one waltz on Saturday.

>Trust me, Arlin, she's a 100% lady and a long-time NA member. The NA has
a 
>very progressive view of women and several are in top spots in the NA - 
>unlike your neo-militia. 

True Arlin!! Why do I not hear of any of these silly boys toys clubs
utilizing the talents of competent women??  Why is it that it seems like
many of your so called militias are nothing but silly forms of hobbyism &
entertainment?  Why is it that some of these militias are so ineffective
in understanding what is a risk & what is at risk in America and how it
can be effectively managed?  Why is it that so many of these so called
militias will never rise to the top when the real need arises?  

 I see that it is because many in your so called militias can't even grasp
the who and what the enemies is, where they are and why.  They can not
understand how to plan for the future, how to thoughtfully organize and
restructurize America to ensure that once the balloon does go up that it
is not just a short lived victory (like the Hungarian revolution of 1956.)
but one that is well managed and well thought out by men of great wisdom &
character (like the men & women of the National Alliance.)  They have no
ideas nor the talent in their ranks to initiate, organize or maintain a
healthy society for a restructuring period.   These so called militias do
not see that in order to reactivate the Constitution many hardships, many
sacrifices, many losses will be incurred and over a very long period.  I
do not think that the members of these weekend "boys club" so called
militias can even fathom the idea that they might not be able to see the
rewards of any struggle.  They are to caught up in their silly spectator
sports, there beer and there shinny new trucks to be able to see that this
fight is not about immediate gratification.  This war is about the future
of our children and our children s children.  And that many sacrifices and
persecutions are well worth the securing the resecuring of what our
founding fathers had in mind for America. 

 I many have to live under this present oppression and I many have to
handle being called names by fools, traitors and idiots, and I many have
to be harassed at my place of employment or home resulting in yet another
struggle for my family but I will never, I will say it again, I will never
give up.  I will never give into to the kind of foolishness I see
represented in MAM by a few of these so called leaders of some of these
sick so called militias.  I as other intelligent, viable, healthy citizens
of America have done the only thing there is for us to do, I joined the
National Alliance and am proud to say that I am committed to what it
stands for and value my fellow cadre and NA family.  I respect and love
Dr. William L. Pierce.  I value the National Alliance for all its work for
true patriots of American and for having the leadership, and consciousness
to never falter in its struggle to save America.

  I have a fire within my heart that was placed there the moment I was
created.  It is a fire that was passed onto me by my ancestors.  It is a
fire that fills me with love and honor.  It is a fire that reminds me of
what my duty is.  I am a patriot.  I love my forefathers, my kin, my
culture, my race and my country and I will do everything in my power to
protect what is left of these things and I will fight with everything I
have to ensure that America honours our founding fathers, that it honours
the Constitution and that my race will be on its path to higher man.  

>By "stereo-typical" I suppose you mean that we expect women to be
attracted to >men & visa-versa, and that we reject the idea that its OK
for women to be lesbians >like you do. Yes, if that's your definition,
then I'll plead guilty to stereotyping.
>
>Arlin will say anything and has NO regard for truth, since his postings
reveal a total >disregard for honesty - he doesn't know what he's talking
about. He may usually >get away with spouting this nonsense about
racialists, but with us being here he >can't get away with his nonsense.
Everything he has said about the NA is >nothing but lies and slander.
>
>Yours truly,
>Ian McKinney
>    \|/
>     |
>
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>http://www.natvan.com or http://www.natall.com
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Mr. Ian McKinney said:
>> The NA has a very progressive view of women and several are in top
>> spots in the NA

(see my comments on this above - Ann)

Philip T. Kasiecki said:
>    I find that next to impossible to believe, since what I know about
the NA is >strong evidence that it's a sexist organization, among other
things.

It makes one wonder where some of you out there are getting your
information about the NA.  You should either negate your source or look
for what their motives are in lying to you.  Why would you say this? 
Where did you get your information about the National Alliance?  What ever
gave you the idea that it was a "sexist" organization?  And what is "among
other things? I refer you to the reality of what the NA is and what it has
always been.  A progressive educational organization that reaches out to
European Americans & wishes to save this country from this present  course
of steady, corruption, filth and demise.  

>: By "stereo-typical" I suppose you mean that we expect women to be
>: attracted to men and visa-versa, and that we reject the idea that its
>: OK for women to be lesbians like you do. Yes, if that's your
>: definition, then I'll plead guilty to stereotyping.
>
>    Try "homophobia".

See my post on the gays in the militia thread.  You will see that true
patriots find such nonsense to be unnatural,  Against the Creators design,
Unhealthy and the product of a defective and chemically/hormonally
imbalanced brain.  So don't try to use that politically correct tripe
around me.  Because my truths are my shield against your silly name
calling.  I will not run from silly titles or names you throw.  I do not
scare easily.  And most of all your little posts do not break my stride
for I am  marching to the only drummer that can effectively save America. 
I have truth, honour and vigilance on my side.  I will not falter, I will
survive.

The National Alliance is the future.  http://www.natall.com

>        Phil "the least you could do is be honest about it" Kasiecki
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999

It makes one wonder why you refuse to be honest to yourself doesn't it. 
Why is it that you fight what is so natural, pure and true?  Why have you
allowed yourself to be brainwashed by the media, your liberal teachers and
the corrupt politicians?  Once the truth has been spread there are many
stages that one must go through.  And some of you out there are confused;
are in denial; some have reached the anger and lashing out stage; while
others sit back and have reached the quite, depressed, and self doubt
stage.  It is hard to find out that for unhealthy, foreign interests, &
other reasons that you have been lied to.  I am sure may of you are full
of fear of what reevaluating your entire value system entails.  But once
you have time to digest these truths that some of members of the National
Alliance have  offered and shared with you, you will see that we are here
for you.  The National Alliance has National Vanguard books to assist many
who were denied a good classical education in self teaching themselves, in
bettering themselves.  The National Alliance has its radio show American
Dissident Voices that you can share with others.  Goto
http://www.natall.com  &  http://www.natvan.com  and see all the things
the NA is doing for America and what you can do to help yourself & to help
America








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