From email@example.com Wed Apr 10 13:22:38 PDT 1996 Article: 129077 of news.groups Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!imci2!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!sethf From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Seth Finkelstein) Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.censorship Subject: Re: Vote YES for RMW-P! Followup-To: alt.censorship Date: 10 Apr 1996 10:14:40 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Lines: 123 Message-ID: <4kg1mg$jf1@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <199603152039.MAA00365@eternity.c2.org> <4iv7ra$3u1@Networking.Stanford.EDU> <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: frumious-bandersnatch.mit.edu Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca news.groups:129077 alt.censorship:76663 In article <email@example.com>, Rich Graves
wrote: >firstname.lastname@example.org writes: >>email@example.com (Rich Graves) wrote: >> >>>firstname.lastname@example.org writes: >>>>Really? Then how come it was Bill Clinton, a liberal democrat, who >>>>argued there should be laws against "hate" and "inflammatory" speech, >>> >>>In what fantasy world did he say this? >> >>The fantasy world he addressed was one with TV cameras on him after >>the Oklahoma City Bombing. The one where he, and members of congress, >>argued that hate speech should be outlawed. This is oft-repeated right-wing utter lie. It is a total fabrication of reactionaries. I keep the actual text of what he said around, since so many the hate-Clinton crowd endlessly repeat this falsehood. Here's the actual text of President Clinton's comments regarding free speech, hatred, and talk radio. I got this from: Linkname: President to Association of Community Colleges http://docs.whitehouse.gov/white-house-publications/1995/04/1995-04-24-president-to-association-of-community-colleges.text It's a stirring, eloquent commentary on the issues. He does not call for censorship. He does not use "responsibilty" as the all too frequently seen code word for suppression. Rather, he fully endorses the rights of hate-mongers to their say, but calls upon us to counteract them - the classic free speech point of "the cure for bad speech is more speech". Now, read his words, and compare to the descriptions given of them by the "critics" we see even in this newsgroup. The bias, the distortion for the purposes of hatred, is amazing. It proves President Clinton was not only not out of line, but was in fact absolutely on target. THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary (Minneapolis, Minnesota) _________________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 24, 1995 REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT TO THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITY COLLEGES Grand Ballroom Minnesota Convention Center Minneapolis, Minnesota 11:46 A.M. CDT [Initla greetings omitted] Before I begin today to talk about education and training, I'd like to say just a word or two if I might before this audience of educators and people who believe in and appreciate the value of free speech, about where we are in the aftermath of the Oklahoma bombing, and what we are going to do about the kind of America our children will inherit. [Long section about Oklahoma bombing and the rescue effort] I could go on and on and on. I say to all of you, first we must complete the rescue effort and the recovery effort. Of course, we must help that community rebuild. We must arrest, convict and punish the people who committed this terrible, terrible deed, but our responsibility does not end there. In this country we cherish and guard the right of free speech. We know we love it when we put up with people saying things we absolutely deplore. And we must always be willing to defend their right to say things we deplore to the ultimate degree. But we hear so many loud and angry voices in America today whose sole goal seems to be to try to keep some people as paranoid as possible and the rest of us all torn up and upset with each other. They spread hate. They leave the impression that, by their very words, that violence is acceptable. You ought to see -- I'm sure you are now seeing the reports of some things that are regularly said over the airwaves in America today. Well, people like that who want to share our freedoms must know that their bitter words can have consequences, and that freedom has endured in this country for more than two centuries because it was coupled with an enormous sense of responsibility on the part of the American people. If we are to have freedom to speak, freedom to assemble, and, yes, the freedom to bear arms, we must have responsibility as well. And to those of us who do not agree with the purveyors of hatred and division, with the promoters of paranoia, I remind you that we have freedom of speech, too. And we have responsibilities, too. And some of us have not discharged our responsibilities. It is time we all stood up and spoke against that kind of reckless speech and behavior. (Applause.) If they insist on being irresponsible with our common liberties, then we must be all the more responsible with our liberties. When they talk of hatred, we must stand against them. When they talk of violence, we must stand against them. When they say things that are irresponsible, that may have egregious consequences, we must call them on it. The exercise of their freedom of speech makes our silence all the more unforgivable. So exercise yours, my fellow Americans. Our country, our future, our way of life is at stake. I never want to look into the faces of another set of family members like I saw yesterday -- and you can help to stop it. (Applause.) Our democracy has endured a lot over these last 200 years, and we are strong enough today to sort out and work through all these angry voices. But we owe it to our children to do our part. Billy Graham got a standing ovation yesterday when he said, "The spirit of our nation will not be defeated." I can tell by your response that that is true. But you must begin today. The little girl who read the poem yesterday at our service said, "Remember the trust of the children. Darkness will not have its day." The trust of the children is what we are here to talk about. [Rest of speech about community colleges] -- Seth Finkelstein email@example.com Disclaimer : I am not the Lorax. I speak only for myself. (and certainly not for Project Athena, MIT, or anyone else).
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