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From steven@csnsys.com Thu Nov 14 08:16:20 PST 1996
Article: 109664 of alt.conspiracy
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From: steven@csnsys.com (Steven Casas)
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Subject: Re: Illuminati
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 06:07:56 GMT
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In article <01bbcf93$e17e17e0$66eb0398@Badasscpu.duke.edu>, "Nati"  wrote:
>Illuminati, 
>secret society, 
>tryin' to keep their 
>eye on me
>
>i.e CBS, AOL, Microsoft, Airwalk, Excite search engine, NBC, Mcaffee
>Viruscan, the CFR the list goes on.
>
So how do Excite and McAfee fit in? The rest is obvious.

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From steven@csnsys.com Mon Nov 25 07:12:21 PST 1996
Article: 112065 of alt.conspiracy
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From: steven@csnsys.com (Steven Casas)
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Subject: Re: Patriots: The Threat Of Anti-Government Extremists
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 03:28:13 GMT
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Here's my response to a bill sponsored by house democrats to put an end to the 
so-called Threat of Anti-Government Extremists. The Quoted is the original 
text of the bill. Un-quoted is my version. I started with my tongue in my 
cheek, but after I got going I almost bit it off.



>FILE hc206.ih HCON 206 IH 104th CONGRESS 2d Session H. CON. RES. 206
>
>Expressing the sense of Congress with respect to the threat to the 
>security of American citizens and the United States Government posed by 
>armed militia and other paramilitary groups and organizations. 
>
>IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES August 1, 1996
>
>Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas (for herself, Mr. CONYERS, Ms. NORTON, Mr. 
>FRAZER, Mr. FLAKE, Mrs. LOWEY, Mr. RANGEL, Mr. HASTINGS of Florida, Ms. 
>MILLENDER-MCDONALD, Ms. DELAURO, Mr. CLYBURN, Mr. HILLIARD, Mr. WYNN, Mr. 
>LEWIS of Georgia, Mr. PAYNE of New Jersey, Mrs. CLAYTON, Mr. OWENS, Mr. 
>FIELDS of Louisiana, Mr. CUMMINGS, Miss COLLINS of Michigan, Mr. SCHUMER, 
>Mr. SCOTT, Mr.PASTOR, Mrs. MEEK of Florida, Ms. BROWN of Florida, Ms. 
>MCKINNEY, Mr. FOGLIETTA, Mr. RICHARDSON, Mr. COLEMAN, Ms. EDDIE BERNICE 
>JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. JACKSON of Illinois, Mrs. COLLINS of Illinois, Mr. 
>ENGEL, Mrs. SCHROEDER, Mrs. MALONEY, Ms. VELAZQUEZ, Mr. GUTIERREZ, Mr. 
>CARDIN, Mr. SERRANO, Mr. BECERRA, Mr. GIBBONS, Mr. NADLER, Mr. KENNEDY of 
>Rhode Island, Mr. CLAY, and Ms. LOFGREN) submitted the following 
>concurrent resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the 
>Judiciary CONCURRENT RESOLUTION Expressing the sense of Congress with 
>respect to the threat to the security of American citizens and the United 
>States Government posed by armed militia and other paramilitary groups 
>and organizations.
>
>Whereas the Government of the United States and its agencies are 
>democratic institutions, created by and for the people of the United 
>States;
>Whereas the various agencies of the United States Government derive their 
>purpose and their character from the expressed will of the American 
>people, and may be altered from time to time by peaceful means;

Whereas the Government of the United States and it's agencies have 
constantly and consistantly subverted the will of the people we purport to 
represent and, in a fashion to be expected of lawyers, turned a *simple* and 
*clear* statement of purpose ( the Constitution ) into a grey and meaningless 
napkin.  

>Whereas 168 American men, women and children were killed in the terrorist 
>bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in April 1995;

Whereas, the ends justifying the means, you blew up your own building, in the 
spirit of Freidrich Hegel, in order to blame it on the Militias and pass 
further Gun Control legislation. ( Ok, maybe not. But many reputable people 
smell a fish on this one) 

>Whereas Federal law enforcement officials were threatened and held at bay 
>for 81 days in a Montana town by a group of so-called `Freemen' while 
>trying to exercise their duty to uphold the law, at a cost of millions of 
>dollars to American taxpayers;

Whereas the Freemen, indulging  in the same quetionable financial practices 
the Federal Reserve is guilty of and threatening the monopoly the Fed has on 
corruption and deciet, broke some laws that protect only the International 
Bankers' monopoly on usury, you saw it necessary to spend additional millions 
of Taxpayer money to arrest them instead of using the funds for the 
*worthless* National Endowment for the Arts or the funds given to Steven 
Speilberg for his Holocaust project. 

>Whereas various spokespersons for self-described militia and paramilitary 
>organizations and groups have repeatedly denounced the legitimacy of the 
>United States Government;

Whereas the legitimacy of the United States Government is called into question
by it's own Constitution and Bill of Rights.

>Whereas several members of an Arizona militia group were recently 
>arrested in possession of heavy armaments, deadly bombs and explosive 
>devices, and charged with conspiring to use explosives to destroy 
>buildings housing Federal agencies;

Whereas several agencies of the Government are in posession of heavy 
armaments, deadly bombs and explosive devices, and are charged with conspiring
to use any and all means to put a clamp on citizens holding the opinion that 
the Government has over-stepped its bounds outlined in the constitution.

>Whereas experts have estimated that extremist anti-Government militia 
>groups and organizations in the United States may number as many as 800, 
>existing in more than 40 States;

Whereas experts have estimated that the government employs MILLIONS 
(billions?) of  cops etc. in 50 States and territories  who cannot be trusted 
to obey the Oath they've taken to protect and serve the American People and  
seem to be confused as to *who* the enemy is and instead of looking to the 
many and varied accounts of the will of our founding fathers, will believe 
their *direct* employers who are interested in their own job rather than the 
future of the Children of America.

>Whereas the democratic institutions of the United States and the American 
>people are protected from both foreign and domestic enemies by a well 
>trained military and multiple layers of legitimate State and local police 
>organizations; and

Whereas the foreign enemies are well handled by *OUR* Brothers and Sisters in 
the best equipped Military in the world, and our Domestic enemies *ARE* the 
State and local police organizations that would deliver the people into the 
hands of slavery for a few pieces of silver.

>Whereas the actions of some militia and paramilitary groups and 
>organizations specifically promoting violence constitute a grave danger 
>to American citizens and the institutions of American democracy, and 
>threaten the very foundation of freedom and democracy in America: Now, 
>therefore, be it [Italic->] Resolved by the House of Representatives (the 
>Senate concurring), [<-Italic] That it is the sense of Congress that--

>(1) armed conspiracies against the Government of the United States or any 
>of its agencies and personnel should be aggressively identified, 
>dissolved, and their perpetrators brought to justice by the federal 
>authorities of law enforcement with the greatest dispatch possible;
>
>(2) the illegal possession of firearms, explosives, or any substances or 
>devices of destruction by any individual or group should be prosecuted to 
>the full extent of all applicable laws by the Department of Justice; and
>
>(3) those legally possessing firearms, explosives, or any substance or 
>device of destruction, and involved in any conspiracy to harm or destroy 
>any agency or property of the United States Government, or any official 
>of the United States Government, or any person, should be promptly 
>prosecuted to the full extent of all applicable laws by the Department of 
>Justice, including those designed to protect the United States Government 
>against treason and subversion.

Whereas the actions of Government Agencies and Representatives of  
the People practicing revision and subversion of the very *idea* of  Freedom 
and Liberty and Justice constitute a grave danger 
to American citizens and the institutions of American democracy, and 
threaten the very foundation of freedom and democracy in America, and the 
American people, having a history of stubborn resistance to tyranny to the 
point of violence  : Now, therefore, in the interest of preventing further 
violence, be it [Italic->] Resolved by the People of the United States of 
America, [<-Italic] ( Our Represtntatives *better* concur!)  That it is the 
sense of the People  that--

(1) The Constitution of the United States of America and it's accompanying 
Bill of Rights ( including the *original* 13th  and  later 13th Ammendment) be 
hereby RE-INSTITUTED in accordance with the well-documented will of it's 
founders, the constitutionality of the later amendments to be debated and 
re-written if necessary.  

(2) The Budget will be balanced NOW, and, in the fashion of a Father who, upon
finding his kids fighting over a toy, takes it away from both, all 
entitlements, welfare and other freebies will be dis-continued. Government 
spending will be indexed to the GDP, and Income ( taxes) will be determined 
accordingly. The poor and needy will be left in the hands of the agency best 
suited  for their care; the PEOPLE.

(3) The rise of our Brothers and Sisters in the Militia Movement is to be seen 

as a wake-up call to the people who, unknowingly took part in the perversion, 
subversion, diversion, inversion, conversion and aversion of the REAL version 
of America. The people who *knowingly* took part better run!


Wouldn't that be nice! I know, it's a dream. It'll probably have to come to 
war, and the people are drastically lacking in firepower although superior in 
numbers. As long as our purpose in demanding these reforms is clearly stated, 
I firmly believe we have friends and allies in the Military and Police and the
Government for that matter that, when the time comes, will know which side of 
the line to jump on. I bet this post will piss off many people and get me on 
some black list of " dangerous gun freaks". If I come up dead sometime soon 
with an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound in my head ( with the gun still 
in my hand, no blood anywhere, in the park with no grass on my shoes ;-) ) 
then chalk me up as another casualty in the war for the soul of America. 
steve

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**  Steve Casas        Carpenter          Gun Owner       **
**                     Singer             Songwriter      **
**  No man gave us     Guitar Player      Catholic        **
**  our FREEDOM and    Deadhead           Conservative    **
**  *dammit*, no man   Ex-Serviceman      Avid Reader     **
**  is gonna take      Electronics Technician             **
**  it away!!!!!!!                                        **
**                         steven@csnsys.com              **
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From steven@csnsys.com Mon Nov 25 07:12:22 PST 1996
Article: 112812 of alt.conspiracy
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From: steven@csnsys.com (Steven Casas)
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Subject: Re: Patriots: The Threat Of Anti-Government Extremists
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 96 05:58:11 GMT
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In article <570phe$i13@xmission.xmission.com>, lawall@xmission.xmission.com (Raptor) wrote:

>So then we get to the meat of the matter: Are any of the problems in
>this country adequate justification for "freedom fighting?"  In my very
>strongly held opinion, no!

The "meat" of the matter is: Is our Freedom, granted by God and protected 
(not created) by our Bill of Rights, being slowly eroded by the very people we 
send to Washington with the simple task of obeying the Constitution? In my 
very strogly held opinion, YES! 
>

>The failures of the system are neither new nor common.

Tyrannical Government and resistance to it has never been "neither new nor 
common".

>
>For those reasons, it is clear that anyone who feels force is required
>to change anything about this nation is either criminally insane,
>criminally impatient or simply criminal.

Let's see... The Politicians decide to *change* things (gun control: this is 
"new *and* common) and must use force to accomplish. Remember, the allegations 
against Koresh came *after* the seige, which means the only charge they had on 
him when they started was weapons violations. Does this mean the Government is 
"criminally insane"?

>
>Call it freedom fighting or terrorism, it's against the law, and this
>is as it should be.

"When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary..."

"I was a Soldier so my son could be a Farmer so his son could be a poet."

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**                     Singer             Songwriter      **
**  No man gave us     Guitar Player      Catholic        **
**  our FREEDOM and    Deadhead           Conservative    **
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**  is gonna take      Electronics Technician             **
**  it away!!!!!!!                                        **
**                         steven@csnsys.com              **
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From steven@csnsys.com Mon Nov 25 07:12:23 PST 1996
Article: 112827 of alt.conspiracy
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From: steven@csnsys.com (Steven Casas)
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Subject: Re: Patriots: The Threat Of Anti-Government Extremists
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 96 06:15:31 GMT
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In article <3294E875.2396@compuserve.com>, Mark Taylor <105335.2043@compuserve.com> wrote:

>I am for the constitution, as it was written, not as Klinton would like 
>to interpret it.  The states are supposed to run themselves, as they see 
>fit, only interfered with when they are doing something unconstitutional. 
> Do we agree on this?

Yeah, man! I prefer my Dad's analogy. See, the Government should be like the 
slobbering, shit-eating Dog in your backyard. Chained up or fenced in and not 
able to hurt anyone unless someone has the misfortune to try to sneak into 
your yard. You have nothing to fear from it as long as you stay out of it's 
reach. As soon as you make the Government your Daddy and cuddle up in his 
warm, protecting arms, you'll find yourself grounded with no allowance. 

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**  our FREEDOM and    Deadhead           Conservative    **
**  *dammit*, no man   Ex-Serviceman      Avid Reader     **
**  is gonna take      Electronics Technician             **
**  it away!!!!!!!                                        **
**                         steven@csnsys.com              **
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From steven@csnsys.com Sat Nov 30 11:43:12 PST 1996
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In article <57j9jg$6gk@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>, tdp@ix.netcom.com(Tom Potter) wrote:
>In <57iqrg$vt@kirin.wwa.com> msimon@rworld.com (M Simon) writes: 
>>
>>Many psychologists consider fear of government to be some sort
>>of mental illness.  The following is a piece of scientific
>>literature that I recently uncovered on this subject.
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>          A CLINICAL ANALYSIS OF ANTI-GOVERNMENT PHOBIA
>> 
>>                      Ivor E. Tower, M.D.     
>>                 Journal of Clinical Psychiatry
>>                 Volume 11, series 3, pages 4-5

------------------------------------------------------------

Archival Note:

Physicians Postgraduate Press, Inc., publishers of `The
Journal of Clinical Psychiatry' have never printed an
article titled "A Clinical Analysis of Anti-Government
Phobia." This article is obviously a fraud, and the use of
`The Journal's' name to garner respect for the ideas
contained in the article is against our wishes.

Disclaimer provided by Physicians Postgraduate Press, Inc.,
on their letter, to Ken McVay, in February 1998, and added
to this article at their request.

------------------------------------------------------------

>
>This phobia is closely related to the Anti-Citizen Phobia,
>possessed by  most government employees.
>
>The ACP phobia manifests itself by the spending billions of
>dollars to barricade government buildings, buy metal detectors,
>xray machines, explosive sniffing dogs, armoured vehicles,
>helicopters of various colors, night vision, infrared viewers,
>assault weapons, tons of ammunition, the hiring of thousands
>of additional "law enforcement"  personnel, etc.
>
>Other symptoms include the shutting off of main public streets, 
>passing of "crime" bills, passing of "terrorism" bills,
>passage of laws to keep non-government citizens from
>possessing weapons to defend themselves and their country,
>the rush to blame Arabs for bombings, the rush to
>blame Citizen Militia members for plane crashes caused
>by mechanical problems, attacks on strange but harmless
>religious groups, who are imagined to be ready to
>take over the world with thier 200 guns, and 10
>paperweight hand genades, etc.
>
>Some experts have noted that both of these phobias were
>coincident with the election of Bill Clinton
>as president, and might have arisen from his apparent 
>efforts to strengthen the police powers, while
>at the same time taking more and more historical
>rights from the common, working citizen.
>
>Many experts think that this paranoiac will
>diminish greatly when Bill Clinton leaves
>office, and the size of the government is
>greatly reduced, and freedom and equity
>is returned to the people in the private sector.
>
>Tom Potter       http://pobox.com/~tdp
Y'know, I bet there's more people suffering from ACP than there is people 
suffering from AGP. I'd wager those afflicted by ACP are the more dangerous 
by far to the common citizen. Brilliant post!

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**  Steve Casas        Carpenter          Gun Owner       **
**                     Singer             Songwriter      **
**  No man gave us     Guitar Player      Catholic        **
**  our FREEDOM and    Deadhead           Conservative    **
**  *dammit*, no man   Ex-Serviceman      Avid Reader     **
**  is gonna take      Electronics Technician             **
**  it away!!!!!!!                                        **
**                         steven@csnsys.com              **
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