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From: ccarp@concept.net (Chris Carpenter)
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Subject: Big Gas Chamber
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 12:44:05 GMT
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The book I'm currently reading describes a gas chamber that can
kill 3,000 people within five minutes.  
The following quotes come from pages 156-156 of: Approaches to 
Auschwitz, by Rubenstein & Roth.

	. . . . The prisoners were then taken to a huge underground
	room two hundred yards long. . . . . In this room at thirty-yard
	intervals were columns of sheet iron pipes with many perforations.
	Within five minutes, three thousand people were dead.  Twenty
	minutes later the ventilators had evacuated the gas. . . . . Before
	cremation, hair was removed as was gold from the victims' teeth.
	The yield in gold was between eighteen and twenty pounds a day. [1]

MVA Clairification:

This book contains information which is untrue.  
	i.     gassing chambers were not that big.
	ii.     hair was removed before gassing.

Therefore: this book should not to be considered a suitable reference
source for those people studying the Holocaust. 
		
	[1]	Rubenstein, Richard L. and  Roth, John K., Approaches
		to Auschwitz - The Holocaust and its Legacy. Atlanta:
		John Knox Press, 1987.



From mvanalst@rbi.com Thu Oct  3 08:51:28 PDT 1996
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From: mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine)
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Subject: Re: Big Gas Chamber
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In article <52touq$rns@lex.zippo.com>, ccarp@concept.net (Chris Carpenter)
wrote:

> The book I'm currently reading describes a gas chamber that can
> kill 3,000 people within five minutes.  
> The following quotes come from pages 156-156 of: Approaches to 
> Auschwitz, by Rubenstein & Roth.
> 
>         . . . . The prisoners were then taken to a huge underground
>         room two hundred yards long. . . . . In this room at thirty-yard
>         intervals were columns of sheet iron pipes with many perforations.
>         Within five minutes, three thousand people were dead.  Twenty
>         minutes later the ventilators had evacuated the gas. . . . . Before
>         cremation, hair was removed as was gold from the victims' teeth.
>         The yield in gold was between eighteen and twenty pounds a day. [1]
> 
> MVA Clairification:
> 
> This book contains information which is untrue.  
>         i.     gassing chambers were not that big.
>         ii.     hair was removed before gassing.
> 
> Therefore: this book should not to be considered a suitable reference
> source for those people studying the Holocaust. 
>                 
>         [1]     Rubenstein, Richard L. and  Roth, John K., Approaches
>                 to Auschwitz - The Holocaust and its Legacy. Atlanta:
>                 John Knox Press, 1987.


Tsk tsk, Mr. Carpenter. You by chance didn't forget to mention that maybe
the authors were using Dr. Myklos Niszli, a prisoner doctor, and Mengele's
assistant, at Auschwitz as their primary source, did you? 

"The room into which the convoy proceeded was about 200 yards long: its
walls were whitewashed and it was brightly lit....There were 3,000 people
in the room: men, women and children....This second room was the same size
as the first, but neither benches nor pegs were to be seen. In the center
of the rooms, at thirty-yard intevals, columns rose from the concrete
floot to the ceiling. They were not supporting columns, but square
sheet-iron pipes, the sides of which contained numerous perforations like
a wire lattice....He opened the contents and poured the contents- a mauve
granulated material -into the opening. The granulated substance fell in a
lump to the bottom. The gas it produced escaped through the perforations,
and within a few seconds filled the room in which the deportees were
stacked. Within five minutes everybody was dead....Twenty minutes later
the electric ventilators were set going in order to evacuate the
gas....Hair was also a precious material...so they shaved the dead...Gold
is a heavy metal, and I would judge that 18 to 20 pounds of it were
collected daily in each crematorium...." (Nyiszli, _Auschwitz_, p.49-51.) 

Sure sounds like Nysizli, doesn it, Mr. Carpenter? Of course, Nyiszli, who
was an eyewitness, got a few things wrong. Like the dimensions of the
L.Kellers and the spacing between the Zyklon B introduction columns, ect.
Probably the number of victims per gassing too. (Though a few gassings
involving 2,500-3,000 _did_ likely happen.) 

But all in all, Mr. Carpenter, Nyiszli wasn't wrong on the important
parts. Most importantly, though, Mr. Carpenter, it is knowing the proper
contexts such eyewitness testimony should be taken in. It also helps to
cross-reference the details. Like, for instance, referencing Pressac's
_Technique_, which contains photos of the Bauleitung construction drawings
for Krema II and its L.Kellers, to ascertain the correct dimensions of the
L.Kellers. It helps put things in their proper perspective. 

Research is all, Mr. Carpenter. You should try it some time. 


BTW, Mr. Carpenter, the hair of the victims was cut both before and after
gassings depending on period. During Aktions Ho"ss, for instance, when
nearly 400,000 Hungarian Jews were murdered in less than three months, the
(female) victims' hair wash shorn _after_ they were gassed to death.
Earlier, in 1943, victims had their heads shaved _before_ they were
murdered. 


Mark

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