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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:
> In article ,
> Jason Smith  wrote:
> 
> >	Aggravated assault (which was reduced to assault causing bodily
> >harm via plea-bargain), and being in a residence illegally.
> 
> So you ARE a dangerous, violent individual also physically?
> Have you ever considered that there might be something wrong
> deep down in your beeing - in your attitudes towards life
> and other human beings?
 
Have you ever considered that your behavior elicits dangerous
violent aspects of certain people's personalities?

Of course not, because you shouldn't HAVE to worry about 
eliciting such reactions. 

Nor should Jason have to worry about being around people like you
who elicit such reactions from people like us.

I happen to be from a more pacifistic strain of the nordic
blood-line (Quakers) which is why I haven't ended up becoming
a psychopathic murderer in response to people like you controlling
our society.  Oh, I'll agree that there are counter examples,
like Nixon, but he went to law school -- an ideal place to find
out just how incompatible nordic blood-lines are with cosmopolitan
sophistry.  Without an adequate understanding of his genetic 
limiations, Nixon engaged in the hubris that is the downfall of
our people -- he thought politics and colonialism, not technology
and pioneering, were our destiny.  

He was wrong.


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  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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harry@tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com (Harry Katz) writes:
> 
> My favorite display of racist schizophrenia occured when I first moved
> to Atlanta, Georgia.  The racists would always say. "'Niggers' are
> lazy!"  But, when asked to do an especially dirty or difficult job, the
> same racists would say, "I'm not doing that!  I ain't no 'Nigger!'"
 
More indication that Farrakhan is right and that the southern states,
being hot and humid as they are, are better suited to African genes
than Nordic genes.  
 
Farrakhan wants those states?  Makes sense to me.  Now we have to
figure out what to do to motivate those "racists" to move out of
there and I can't think of anything better than a genetically screened
Nordic nation in one of those verdant winterlands, can you?  Of 
course, the genetic screening will pick up some set of African genes 
in those southern kindred of the Nords, and those Nord-African hybrids 
will come in VERY handy when it comes to interfacing with the 
cosmopolitan urban nations.  Why do you think there is such a low crime 
rate in the south compared to the areas where secular Jews dominate?  
The "good-ole-boys" have sacrificed some of their Nordic evolution to
gain some African strengths to serve our kindred.  Secular jews don't 
have a monopoly on hybrid vigor despite their rhetoric.
 
The problem in this newsgroup is we are speaking to a group of people 
who have the upper hand right now and want to keep EVERYONE around as 
"niggers" to do their dirty work for them.  Is it any wonder the 
"niggers" of both African and northern european descent are a bit anxious to get
away?  Is it any wonder the KKK and the Nation of Islam made their peace
in the 60's and the White Aryan Resistance's defense fund received 
donations from NOI?  How in the world are these groups becoming a virtual 
Brotherhood of Mankind independent of the "indepensible moral leadership" 
of the secular "Jew"'s media, academia and political powers?  Is it 
surprising that the typical "divide and conquer" tactics used by secular 
jews against separatists is failing, despite the fact that Farrakhan uses 
rhetoric like "white devils" to describe us?  As long as Farrakhan 
understands how desperately the American pioneer needs separation from 
the erocide of secular "Jewery", he will be able to get away with absolutely 
astounding abuses of our kindred and those of us who understand his agenda
will still support and respect the man.
 
The secular "Jew" simply went too far in his betrayal of the American
pioneer's good faith and sacrifice during and after WW II.  Despite his 
desperate attempts to now backpeddal by claiming he is a "white male" and 
that he is the leader in debunking Political Correctness, we will not 
forget it was HIS media, HIS women and HIS "scholars" who promoted 
sterilizing theories of cultural determinism, feminism and homosexuality 
among our people.  It was HIS wealth and genepool that benefitted 
during the decades of our recent decimation.
 
 
NEVER AGAIN.

-- 
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  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:
> In article ,
> Jim Bowery  wrote:
> >I happen to be from a more pacifistic strain of the nordic
> >blood-line (Quakers) which is why I haven't ended up becoming
> >a psychopathic murderer in response to people like you controlling
> >our society.
> 
> "People like you"? You mean that IJC? 

Big lie theory -- repeat "international jewish conspiracy" enough
and people will start to think I had brought one up.  Hitler really
DID learn that trick from you guys didn't he?  I think I must have 
seen this IJC lie thrown out about me more than 30 times in the last 
month.  Dan Gannon, like the Hitler, wasn't wrong about EVERYTHING
was he?


> Where I'm a secret member, 'cause
> I'm against racism and natziism and lying about history? 

Well, since I'm against all those things, too, I guess that makes
me a member as well?


> As far as I
> know Qakers are not any kind of nordic blood-line but a sect in protestant
> religion, 

For the most part, protestant religions were found by people of 
nordic blood-lines.

> so don't trust too much in it if you've got murderous thoughts
> towards people like me.

I don't think you need to worry too much Kari -- at least not about
me...

Look at the folks in soc.culture.jewish who have been calling for Farrakhan's 
murder as well as YOUR kindred who have called for my death and 
 dismemberment through mob violence -- and done so repeatedly.  

You know, when I sit back and ignore your lies and look at the simple
facts, the death and violence threates from the "Nazis" on the net have been 
virtually nonexistant while, among jews, there seems to be a relatively
high frequency of such threats.

DESPITE this evidence that the big lie is being practiced again and
again -- backed up by death and violence threats by jews against so called
"Nazis" -- I have seen very little reaction from those of nordic blood-lines.

Most of us just want to get away from you.  All we need to do so is sovereign
territory with genetic screening -- for which we would be willing to deal.  


-- 
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  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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treborlee@aol.com (Trebor Lee) writes:
> In article , bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
> writes:
> 
> >Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
> >ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
> >about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
> >body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of exicising its
> >most diseased bits.
> 
>      You sure do have some balls kike boy! Your the one who should be
> concerned, sleeping their at 700 Washington St. in Brighton, Ma. You think you
> can hide out and flame all of us gentiles, and make your idle threats, and go
> unnoticed??? I bet you would shit your panties if I gave you a phone call at
> (617) 787-0764 or stopped by your house. Crawl back under you rock and don't
> fuck with one of my white brothers!!!    

Well, it looks like Jews aren't the only ones capable of making threats.

Who is Trebor Lee anyway?

Listen folks, there is a solution to the hate and it is called separatism.

Our respective kindreds wouldn't be nearly as prone to violence and fraud
if it weren't for the fact that there is NO WHERE ON EARTH where my kindred
can find a sovereign ethnic space based on principles of genetic separation.

We NEED that space just as Jews needed Israel for their cultural, if not
genetic, protection.  

What is the price we must pay to obtain our homeland?  It is clear that we
will not be allowed to reclaim North or Western Europe as Jews were allowed
to reclaim the Levant, so what are we to do?
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  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.

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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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dolsky@mail.sas.upenn.edu (David F Olsky) writes:
> In article  rburns@netcom.com (Randall J. Burns) writes:
> >In article <2q6ecm$3j3@netnews.upenn.edu> dolsky@mail.sas.upenn.edu (David F Olsky) writes:
> >>                                                                          
> 
> >>>For the most part, protestant religions were found by people of      
> >>>nordic blood-lines.                                                       
> >> 
> >>You know, Jim, I think that if Martin Luther, John Calvin, and John Knox
> >>were alive, they'd be laughing pretty hard in your face.
> 
> >Well, Martin Luther was _far_ more of an anti-semite than Mr. Bowery.
> 
> Well, they'd still be laughing in his face, anti-semitic or not.  Remember
> that Scandanavians *adopted* protestantism; they did not found it. 

If you want to start splitting hairs about what is "Norden" and what
is not -- fine.  There are arguments about this from time to time in 
soc.culture.nordic.  The phenotypic and genotypic differences between
the various indigenous N&W europeans are not all that great.

> Kind of interesting here.  I had a grandfather whose last name was Fox,
> and he was Irish.  This is, of course, a very common name.  So, if a
> combination of Irish and Anglo-Saxons founded the Quakers and Jim is
> descended from them, he must not be from this "nordic" bloodline. 
> Somehow, I don't think that George Fox would like him to deny his ancestry.

The Vikings even went into Ireland, David (as well as the Normans).  Anyway,
I don't claim to be a purebred nord -- only Quaker pioneer who is about
as pure as they come.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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dolsky@mail.sas.upenn.edu (David F Olsky) writes:
> You know, Jim, I think that if Martin Luther, John Calvin, and John Knox
> were alive, they'd be laughing pretty hard in your face.

You know, David, if Martin Luther, at least, were alive today, I'd be
restraining him from going genocidal against Jews.  

Read what he has to say about Jews sometime... it ain't pretty.

I'm not familiar with Calvin or Knox's positions on Jews but I would wager it
isn't much prettier.

There is a reason for all this history and it isn't that "antisemites
 like Martin Luther are just losers who are jealous of the success of Jews."

But, of course, you guys won't listen to an honest voice when it appears 
will you?  You have to keep lying -- even to yourselves.  If you listened and
accepted some responsibility for this sordid historic pattern, we MIGHT be able
to resolve our mutual problems and not have to seek separation.

But history teaches us such will never be the case.  

Separatism is the only real "final solution".
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:
> It's impossible to discuss with you, Jim, because you seem to be totally
> blind and deaf to your own words. At first I'm writing about Sami's rights
> in soc.culture.jewish - well, the thread led to Samis from Palestinians -

Sami's rights were mentioned along with the idea that "ethnic thinking"
is a scourge.  That means the very notion of "Sami's" rights is a scourge.

> and label me a "Jewish woman" who is spreading "secular Jewish" propaganda

OK, I can understand about you being sensitive about me misidentifying you
as a woman.  If it makes you feel any better, I'll post an apology to
the relevant newsgroups.

As to your being a secular Jew, it is certainly the case that if you 
aren't one, you all but identify with them culturally.  This, of course,
is not unique.  Many people who have blood-ties, not just via ancestry
but through relations, to Jews are understandably concerned about 
antisemitism and the potential for another holocaust.  So if you aren't
a secular Jew you are STILL capable of having blood-ties that motivate
you to act as though you are one.

> to do with soc.culture.nordic. People got annoyed and started calling
> you names an ridicule you making jokes about the International Jewish
> Conspiracy. And of course you took everything litterally, because among
> other things you seem to have no sense of humor. 

Balderdash.  This International Jewish Conspiracy libel against me has
been going on for a lot longer than that -- it is a very convenient
prejudicial statement that happens to be false but believable -- joke
or not.  As believable false statement, I don't take it as a joke, just
as I would expect a Jew to not take it as a joke were I to begin making
"jokes" about blood-libel.

> And what about Dan
> Gannon and Hitler being wrong about everything, I guess nobody is wrong
> about everything but if you refer to racial issues so they both were/are
> very wrong.

Hitler was wrong about hybrid vigor and he didn't really understand 
WHY purebreeding is important.  The neglect of hybrid vigor was a
very serious, his ideas of racial supremicy as well but his failure to 
appreciate the exact reasons for purebreeding being valuable are only a 
minor embarrassment.  Hitler's errors in militarism, genocide and 
centralization were the ones we should all recognize as the REAL problem -- 
not his racism, let alone his racialism.

> Maybe, but if that's the only proof you've got for your pure, nordic
> blood, then there is a reasonable doubt as you Americans say so often
> in tv-shows.

I happen to be quite certain I DON'T have pure nordic blood.   

You guys are so blinded by your prejudice and expectations you can't
comprehend anything of what I write.  You always have to cram it
back into your neat little stereotypes so it fits your prejudices.

And you have the gall to call me a racist bigot.

PS:  No I won't forget your existence as long as you are serving as
a cats paw for secular jewish style ethnic clensing -- as you clearly
are -- regardless of your actual genotype.  You are simply an
extended phenotype.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> Last I heard about 20% of Israel's population was non-Jewish Arab, a
> far greater percentage than the "others" you seem to feel are
> encroaching on you in the US (depends on how you cut it I suppose.)
> 
> Jews themselves are also multi-racial etc, witness the thousands of
> Black Ethiopian Jews who have recently emigrated to Israel.
> 
> Anyhow, other than conjuring up simple-minded cartoon images of Israel
> I believe you have chosen a rather poor example, not that I can think
> of any good examples.
> 
> Well, hey, on with the show...

Oh you mean the show where the guy walks into the Israeli mosque and 
mows down a bunch of praying Muslims?

Yeah, that was prime time!

Your "multicultural-multiracial" Israel leaves something to be 
desired.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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quirke_a@ix.wcc.govt.nz writes:
... 

By the way, what are you guys doing in New Zealand these days?  Of the
folks on the internet from NZ, more than half are Jewish.  
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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:
> I'm a member of the western culture family - thats how I identify myself -
> and I agree that my morals are thus based much on Jewish-Greco-Roman heritage.
> as well as yours even if you try to deny it. You really think it takes
> "blood-ties" to be concerned about antisemitism and the potential for another
> holocaust? Yes, that's what you obviously think and NOW I understand why
> it is so hard for you to believe that I'm not a "Jew" secular or other...
> Poor Jim, you are really deep in it... what ever it is.

Well, I was being kind, Kari.  So I guess that will teach me a lesson.

> Ok. So let me ask you one question: Do you believe or do you not, that
> there really is some kind of International Jewish Conspiracy?

No.  As I've stated more than enough times before, population genetic
patterns and shifts are not conspiracies.  The africanized bees
do not conspire to displace the european bees.  The brood-parasite
does not conspire to snatch food from the mouth of its "siblings".
The regicidal parasite does not conspire with the worker ants
to turn them against their own queen and then to serve the 
parasite and its reproductive young.

These are simply natural patterns that evolve under the "right"
conditions -- conditions created by Rome in its colonization of
the Levant and the emergence of technology in europe.

> Your racial theories has proven wrong here before by better genealogists
> than me, so I won't even try. And no matter what you say, for me there
> is only one race: the human race.

Somehow their arguments were quite unconvincing, although I admit that
if I were a wide-eyed teenager entering college, I MIGHT have swallowed
the lies.
 
> >I happen to be quite certain I DON'T have pure nordic blood.   
> 
> So you have to be left outside of your own future consentration camp for
> pure blooded nordic people?

Sure.  Out of those portions that are reserved for purebloods and
initially maybe even out of the whole thing until better methods of
discrimination are developed.

> Considering how you have been stereotyping me here and in soc.culture.nordic,
> I think you are the last person to complain about stereotyping. 
> I think I comprehend everything you write - that's the main reason I
> answer to you.

But you fit the stereotype so well, Kari.

> What is exatly "secular jewish style ethnic cleansing"? 

Pluralism everywhere regardless of the nature of the indigenous peoples
and their vulnerability to displacement by socially more adept 
anthrosystems.
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bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Svidrigailov) writes:
>         Funny, Jim, I'm almost pure 100% celt, and I have no idea what you're
> talking about when you say "soveriegn ethnic space".  

It is really no different from any other sovereign state except that it
is permitted to screen its immigrants for genetic content.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Unsupported claims about the desires of "Nordic blood-lines"
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kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
> >> "People like you"? You mean that IJC? 

No, people who have zero respect for the wishes of others to be
left alone in their sovereign states because you know that if
you can just become part of their society, you can manipulate
yourself into dominance over them.

Oh -- also the members of the society who you have so 
manipulated that they serve as puppets or slaves to your
ethnic agenda.   A lot of "liberals", homosexuals, feminists
and the like fit into that category.  They exhibit "extended 
 phenotypes" of your more dominant genotype.

> (By the way, I was once quite active with the local Friends meeting, in
> Portland, Oregon, 

Why doesn't this surprise me in the least?

>and suspect those good folks would be quite surprised that
> anyone would like them with "Nordic blood lines.")

The history of population genetics in Northern Europe created enough 
mixing between the various ethnic groups in the winterlands that it is
reasonable to use the word Nordic for all of them.  Some dispute this
but it is little more productive to argue about it than the word "Jew".

-- 
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  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
>Oh you mean the show where the guy walks into the Israeli mosque and 
>mows down a bunch of praying Muslims?
>
>Yeah, that was prime time!
>
>Your "multicultural-multiracial" Israel leaves something to be 
>desired.

(Ain't my Israel)

(but it was you who put it up as some sort of ideal)

So, like then what can we learn from that guy* who went up to the top
of the belltower at UT Austin and shot 42 people?

You mean in your utopia mass murderers will be eliminated?

I know you'll say yes, I mean, why not say yes, you'll say anything
that pops into your head it seems.

* Charles Starkweather? I forget.
-- 
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: L.T. Ignores Unconstitutional Media
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The careful observer will note that Linda Thompson's ultimatum
does not call for the removal of the unconstitutional provision
of government-induced media monopoly created by the 
telecommunications act of 1934.

Since in the modern era broadcast media (radio and television)
is the primary means of social control, Linda Thompson's 
failure to address government induction of monopolies in 
these markets makes her a de facto accomplice in the modern
mechanisms of social control.
-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Oppression of the American Pioneer
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thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> Our second-favorite net.nazi is back...

Ted!  Where have you been?  I've been posting frequently
for awhile now but you seem to have missed all the fun
with Linda Thompson and the acquitted tax protester in
Tennessee and the move in the Idaho legislature for
sovereignty.

Been out schmoozing with a federal judge?

-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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Article: 11761 of alt.revisionism
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: DEPORT US!!!
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kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> 
> >Listen folks, there is a solution to the hate and it is called separatism.
> 
> I have difficulty comprehending that, and I'd appreciate it if you'd expand
> on the theory.

It's sort of like a divorce.  You know how sometimes there are what are
known as "irreconcilable differences" and that until separation an 
inventory of bad feelings can build and build? 

> >Our respective kindreds wouldn't be nearly as prone to violence and fraud
> >if it weren't for the fact that there is NO WHERE ON EARTH where my kindred
> >can find a sovereign ethnic space based on principles of genetic separation.
> 
> Who are your "kindred," Jim? What evidence do you have that supports your
> assertion that these folks _want_ a "sovereign ethnic space?"

All those people who are being misguided into Naziism, holocaust revisionism
and general thrashing around in nonproductive modes because they can't see
any route to escape toxic influences in their environment.

> >We NEED that space just as Jews needed Israel for their cultural, if not
> >genetic, protection.  
> 
> Why?

We don't want to be your food.  Why do you want us to stick around?

Oh, that's just a little too obvious I guess... and I know the response will
be something along the lines of "no one wants to make you their food, Jim... 
are you ON something?"  Probably phrased in a more benign way such as...
"Why do you think I want to make you be my food?"  

This is like arguing with a fungus... 


> >What is the price we must pay to obtain our homeland?  It is clear that we
> >will not be allowed to reclaim North or Western Europe as Jews were allowed
> >to reclaim the Levant, so what are we to do?
> 
> Learn to live and let live?

Said the AIDS virus to the host's immune system...
-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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Article: 11762 of alt.revisionism
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:
> In article ,
> Randall J. Burns  wrote:
> >Kari,  I have a question for you: in  an earlier post you suggested
> >that  Jim Bowery "needed help" and suggested he seek some kind of 
> >psychotherapy. 
> >
> >Do you really think that public humiliation tactics are conducive to
> >the promotion of mental health? Do you really think that if you did
> >run into a troubled individual who might benefit by psychotherapy
> >that  suggesting this in public would be the best way to encourage
> >them to do so?
> >
> 
> Well, I think Mr. Bowery humiliated himself with his paranoid comments,
> if it is humiliating to show ones need for help in public. I don't see
> that mental sickness is any more humiliating than a physical one. Besides
> I don't believe that I would be able to encourage Mr. Bowery to do anything,
> privately or publicly.

Actually, my real crime is that I focus on primary causes that really
get to the root of the matter.  I'm a radical.  Radicals are always
reviled as kooks by those who are threatened by them.

It's just the ecology of anthrosystems playing itself out through 
history.  This stuff about "mental illness" is a hark back to the days 
of the Inquisition when heretics were presumed to be "possessed" or 
something.  Instead of the torture chamber of the Inquisitor, we have 
the much "kinder" "mental health profession" which is disproportionately 
founded and operated by secular "Jewery".

Mind butchers.
-- 
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  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
> >By the way, what are you guys doing in New Zealand these days?  Of the
> >folks on the internet from NZ, more than half are Jewish.  
> 
> One can only wonder how he concludes this.

The most casual observation, from which it is obvious.

-- 
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  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
> >Oh you mean the show where the guy walks into the Israeli mosque and 
> >mows down a bunch of praying Muslims?
> >
> >Yeah, that was prime time!
> >
> >Your "multicultural-multiracial" Israel leaves something to be 
> >desired.
> 
> (Ain't my Israel)
> 
> (but it was you who put it up as some sort of ideal)

Obviously, as I said, it leaves something to be desired...

Like making it a lot less multicultural and multiracial...

I understand the frustration of observant Jews who want to see
a RELIGIOUS state in Israel.  What they don't really understand
is that by demanding such, they are attempting to do basically
what the German people deeply wanted to do with Northern Europe -- 
and which Hitler promised, but did not deliver due to his 
identification with Aryans (the indo-branch) rather than 
identifying with the euro-branch.

Mowing people down in a Mosque is very much akin to the error
the antisemites of Germany made in establishing such a state.  
Persecution is self-defeating.  Separatism is the first step 
and pioneering new territories is the objective that has 
historically proven the route to genetic success.

First get your immune system to function, then go out and
be productive.



-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Oppression of the American Pioneer
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thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> Our second-favorite net.nazi is back...

Ted!  Where have you been?  I've been posting frequently
for awhile now but you seem to have missed all the fun
with Linda Thompson and the acquitted tax protester in
Tennessee and the move in the Idaho legislature for
sovereignty.

Been out schmoozing with a federal judge?
-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Homeland    
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kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> 
> >Listen folks, there is a solution to the hate and it is called separatism.
> 
> I have difficulty comprehending that, and I'd appreciate it if you'd expand
> on the theory.

It's sort of like a divorce.  You know how sometimes there are what are
known as "irreconcilable differences" and that until separation an 
inventory of bad feelings can build and build? 

> >Our respective kindreds wouldn't be nearly as prone to violence and fraud
> >if it weren't for the fact that there is NO WHERE ON EARTH where my kindred
> >can find a sovereign ethnic space based on principles of genetic separation.
> 
> Who are your "kindred," Jim? What evidence do you have that supports your
> assertion that these folks _want_ a "sovereign ethnic space?"

All those people who are being misguided into Naziism, holocaust revisionism
and general thrashing around in nonproductive modes because they can't see
any route to escape toxic influences in their environment.

> >We NEED that space just as Jews needed Israel for their cultural, if not
> >genetic, protection.  
> 
> Why?

We don't want to be your food.  Why do you want us to stick around?

Oh, that's just a little too obvious I guess... and I know the response will
be something along the lines of "no one wants to make you their food, Jim... 
are you ON something?"  Probably phrased in a more benign way such as...
"Why do you think I want to make you be my food?"  

This is like arguing with a fungus... 


> >What is the price we must pay to obtain our homeland?  It is clear that we
> >will not be allowed to reclaim North or Western Europe as Jews were allowed
> >to reclaim the Levant, so what are we to do?
> 
> Learn to live and let live?

Said the AIDS virus to the host's immune system...
-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:
> In article ,
> Randall J. Burns  wrote:
> >Kari,  I have a question for you: in  an earlier post you suggested
> >that  Jim Bowery "needed help" and suggested he seek some kind of 
> >psychotherapy. 
> >
> >Do you really think that public humiliation tactics are conducive to
> >the promotion of mental health? Do you really think that if you did
> >run into a troubled individual who might benefit by psychotherapy
> >that  suggesting this in public would be the best way to encourage
> >them to do so?
> >
> 
> Well, I think Mr. Bowery humiliated himself with his paranoid comments,
> if it is humiliating to show ones need for help in public. I don't see
> that mental sickness is any more humiliating than a physical one. Besides
> I don't believe that I would be able to encourage Mr. Bowery to do anything,
> privately or publicly.

Actually, my real crime is that I focus on primary causes that really
get to the root of the matter.  I'm a radical.  Radicals are always
reviled as kooks by those who are threatened by them.

It's just the ecology of anthrosystems playing itself out through 
history.  This stuff about "mental illness" is a hark back to the days 
of the Inquisition when heretics were presumed to be "possessed" or 
something.  Instead of the torture chamber of the Inquisitor, we have 
the much "kinder" "mental health profession" which is disproportionately 
founded and operated by secular "Jewery".
-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
> >By the way, what are you guys doing in New Zealand these days?  Of the
> >folks on the internet from NZ, more than half are Jewish.  
> 
> One can only wonder how he concludes this.

Most casual observation, from which it is obvious.
-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
> >Oh you mean the show where the guy walks into the Israeli mosque and 
> >mows down a bunch of praying Muslims?
> >
> >Yeah, that was prime time!
> >
> >Your "multicultural-multiracial" Israel leaves something to be 
> >desired.
> 
> (Ain't my Israel)
> 
> (but it was you who put it up as some sort of ideal)

Obviously, as I said, it leaves something to be desired...

Like making it a lot less multicultural and multiracial...

I understand the frustration of observant Jews who want to see
a RELIGIOUS state in Israel.  What they don't really understand
is that by demanding such, they are attempting to do basically
what the German people deeply wanted to do with Northern Europe -- 
and which Hitler promised, but did not deliver due to his 
identification with Aryans (the indo-branch) rather than 
identifying with the euro-branch.

Mowing people down in a Mosque is very much akin to the error
the antisemites of Germany made in establishing such a state.  
Persecution is self-defeating.  Separatism is the first step 
and pioneering new territories is the objective that has 
historically proven the route to genetic success.

First get your immune system to function, then go out and
be productive.


-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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stara@husc7.harvard.edu (Felix Vagabond) writes:
> quirke_a@ix.wcc.govt.nz wrote:
> : jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> 
> : >But, of course, you guys won't listen to an honest voice when it appears 
> : >will you?  You have to keep lying -- even to yourselves.  If you listened and
> : >accepted some responsibility for this sordid historic pattern, we MIGHT be 
> : >able to resolve our mutual problems and not have to seek separation.
> 
> :    I'm sorry, but Freud just *labeled* paranoid delusions. He didn't
> : create them, and therefore neither he nor Jews in general bear no
> : responsibility for your unfortunate condition.
> 
> 
> 
>    His condition is somehow critical and in need of immediate attention
>    to remedy hia ailment otherwise we will have to deal with this spread
>    of the disease to other segment society.

Yeah sort of like the way demons were spread by witches in the middle ages.

Call in the inquisitors -- ur -- psychotherapists!!!
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ingram@cs.duke.edu (Defender of the Faith) writes:
... tripe ...

What's your real name "Defender"?
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> Jim, I have a sneaking suspicion that there are many things which only
> you can see.

Well, if you mean my messy office here, you're right.  

When you are talking about the larger issues, I don't think I'm all
THAT perceptive.  A lot of other people see the things I see -- they
just don't talk about it much due to the slave mentality that has
been foisted upon them by your media/academia mind control system.

All you have to do is scratch the surface...
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quirke_a@ix.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>    Whoopee, by Jim's lights I'm a "secular Jew" too. *Yawn*

What's your religion, Tony?
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Peter Skaliks  writes:
> bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> > 
> > >>I think the tower guy was named Whitman.  Starkweather is the guy who
> > >>killed the nurses in Chicago.  But geez, ask Bowery, he's the mass
> > >>murderer fan.
> > 
> > I assume we can take all this as not terribly supportive of Bowery's
> > thesis that mass murder is somehow special and unique to Israel?
> 
> Mass murder is not unique to Israel, you are quite correct. 

Now if I could only find the place where I said or implied that
"mass murder is somehow special and unique to Israel" ... I never
THOUGHT I held that thesis, but then I also never thought I was a
genocidal Nazi hatemonger ... that is until I started reading what
secular "Jews" and their toadies have to say about me.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
> We seek independence from your "multicultural" deathstyle.  We demand the right
> to live how we wish with whom we wish.  WE, not you, decide whether we want to 
> change course from your path to destruction.  Racial and cultural self-deter-
> mination is the most fundamental of human rights.  What you advocate is genocide.
>
> I am fully aware of the most important events and trends in history.  I have 
> intensively studied native Aryan cultures, as well as non-White cultures,
> for many years now.  My studies have reinforced all of my National Socialist
> beliefs.  *I* know myself and my heritage.  Do you?

While hermann and I disagree on many important things, we are kindred in both blood 
and separatist intent.  These are the most important of all and there is no
point in getting us to argue against each other on your behalf any longer.  You
have simply lost your moral authority over us.  It's time for us to go.

Allow us to form our own political, social and academic systems wherein we will
determine, as kindred, according to the law of our own blood, our own justice
among our own people.  Even our most profound disagreements are as nothing compared 
to the loss of tens of millions of our people to the pluralistic erocide you have 
imposed.  If we are to suffer, as I am sure you will claim we will in the absence
of your "civilized guidance", then let us suffer at our OWN hand in such a way
as to make it obvious to us we are responsible and not you.

Despite the fact that you may perceive no slaughter of our blood, you cannot deny 
us our own self-determination without calling into question the sincerity of
that denial. 

Let us have OUR homeland.

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Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Hoess -  "A True Pioneer"
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kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
> Archive/File: holocaust/auschwitz hoess.01
> Last-Modified: 1992/10/17
> 
> "HOESS, RUDOLF FRANZ (1900-1947)... In 1934 he was attached to the SS
> at Dachau ... 1940 given rank of SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer in command at
> the Auschwitz camp. [He] was responsible for the execution of more
> than 2.5 million inmates, not counting a half million who were allowed
> to starve to death. He performed his job so well that he was commended
> in a 1944 SS report that called him "a true pioneer in this area
> because of his new ideas and educational methods." He was sentenced to
> death at Warsaw and was executed several days later at Auschwitz. 
> 
> At the fulcrum of the extermination system in Poland were the camps at
> Auschwitz, Maidanek, Treblinka, Chelmno, Belzec, and Sobibor....
> Auschwitz was the most notorious of the extermination centers. At the
> height of its activity Auschwitz could house more the 100,000 men and
> women and could provide for the gassing and incineration of 12,000
> prisoners a day.... The .. gas chambers could accommodate 2,000
> prisoners at one time. Rudolf Hoess testified at Nuremberg: 'When I
> set up the extermination building at Auschwitz, I used Zyclon B which
> was crystallized prussic acid which we dropped into the death-chamber
> from a small opening. It took from 3 to 15 minutes to kill the people
> in the death-chamber, depending on climatic conditions. We knew when
> the people were dead because their screaming stopped. We usually
> waited for half-an-hour before we opened the doors and removed the
> bodies. After the bodies were removed our special commandos
> ['Sonderkommandos' made up of prisoners who were partially trusted]
> took off the rings and extracted the gold teeth of the corpses.'
> 
> 'We tried to fool the victims into believing that they were going
> through a delousing process. Of course, at times they realized our
> true intentions and we sometimes had riots and difficulties.
> Frequently women would hide their children under their clothes, but we
> found them and we sent the children to be exterminated. We were
> required to carry out these exterminations in secrecy, but the foul
> and nauseating stench from the continued burning of bodies permeated
> the whole area and all the people living around Auschwitz knew what
> was going on.'" (Snyder)
> 
> "The gassing was carried out in the detention cells of Block 11.
> Proctected by a gas mask, I watched the killing myself. In the crowded
> cells, death came instantaneously the moment the Zyklon B was thrown
> in. A short, almost smothered cry, and it was all over....  I must
> even admit that this gassing set my mind at rest, for the mass
> extermination of the Jews was to start soon, and at that time neither
> Eichmann nor I was certain as to how these mass killings were to be
> carried out. In would be by gas, but we did not know which gas and how
> it was to be used. Now we had the gas, and we had established a
> procedure."  (Museum, 92-95)
> 
>                            Work Cited
> 
> Museum w Oswiecimu. KL Auschwitz Seen by the SS Hoess, Broad, Kremer,
> Second edition, Museum w Oswiecimu, 1978.
> 
> Snyder, Dr. Louis L. Encyclopedia of the Third Reich. New York: Paragon
> House, 1989. ISBN 1-55778-144-3
> 
> -- 
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Hoess -  "A True Pioneer"
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kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
> Archive/File: holocaust/auschwitz hoess.01
> Last-Modified: 1992/10/17
> 
> "HOESS, RUDOLF FRANZ (1900-1947)... 

Attention Germanic lineage:

DO NOT allow yourself to be drawn into this "debate."

It is a trap.

Focus on separation from Jews and the reasons for
doing so -- not on whether or not our kindred sought
to exterminate them.  If they did, as I believe they 
did, it is understandable, albiet immoral.

Instead, we must separate cleanly and completely so
as to avoid further temptations toward genocide.

Work toward that goal and that goal only.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: A reply to the e-mail of an "admirer"
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
> >Allow us to form our own political, social and academic systems
> >wherein we will determine, as kindred, according to the law of our own
> >blood, our own justice among our own people.
> 
> What do you mean "allow"? Who should allow you? Who are you
> addressing? Who are you appealing to? Give us all a hint.
> 
> Or is this just a prayer to some deity?

I'm speaking to the real issue.

> >Let us have OUR homeland.
> 
> How many of "you" are there?

Probably less than 10% of those of Nordic/Germanic descent would
prefer to live in a country that has stringent laws against the
immigration of those of Jewish or other heritage.  Of those probably
only 10% would be willing to make the sacrifice necessary to
move to a harsh, sparsely populated land area in Siberia or Alaska.

Maybe 1 million people total.

I honestly believe that if secular Jews would simply NOT OPPOSE 
self-determination for our people, such a homeland would come into 
existence very quickly.

Since they have no moral basis for opposing self-determination of any
people, let alone people who sees them as an imminent and mortal threat,
one can only assume that their failure of morality in this area hides 
an unconscious awareness of their own parasitic nature -- a fear that
once the food source begins to leave -- they suffer.  But since they
are human, like the rest of us, they will, I am sure, find a way to
replace their food source with some sort of self-sustaining activity.

Inconvenience is not sufficient justification for depriving others
of their human rights.
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
> >> > >>I think the tower guy was named Whitman.  Starkweather is the guy who
> >> > >>killed the nurses in Chicago.  But geez, ask Bowery, he's the mass
> >> > >>murderer fan.
> >> > 
> >> > I assume we can take all this as not terribly supportive of Bowery's
> >> > thesis that mass murder is somehow special and unique to Israel?
> >> 
> >> Mass murder is not unique to Israel, you are quite correct. 
> >
> >Now if I could only find the place where I said or implied that
> >"mass murder is somehow special and unique to Israel"
> 
> When you began citing an instance of mass murder as evidence of a
> problem peculiar to Israel's non-homogeneous society. The
> counter-point being that random and criminal mass murder (as opposed
> to that initiated by the state) appears to be just about ubiquitous in
> every society, 

Barry, if you will recall, *you* brought up Israel as a shining 
example of multiculturalism and I brought up the fact that 
Israel, like all multicultural states, has the same "hate" problem:

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kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> >It's sort of like a divorce.  You know how sometimes there are what are
> >known as "irreconcilable differences" and that until separation an 
> >inventory of bad feelings can build and build? 
> 
> OK, even my aged mind comprehends that. Now perhaps you can define
> which groups experience these irreconcilable differences between
> them...

There are times when one party in a marriage doesn't want the divorce
and the other party wants the divorce.  The "irreconcilable differences"
may be totally one sided -- and indeed this is often the case.  The complaints
of the "unoffended" party to the effect that there is no reason for the marriage
partner to stick around cannot keep a marriage together.  How much less
justification does a party, such as yourself, or your secular Jewish "friends",
have to deny us the right to self-determination? 

Folks like you, Ken, and your pluralistic brethren, see no problem.

That is your privilege.

It is NOT your privilege to deny us self-determination that you have shown 
by dismissing our rights on the grounds that we are not psychologically 
competent, no matter how "justifiable" that opinion may be.

Perhaps you think your diagnoses are funny.  I have some friends from 
the former Soviet Union who don't think such "jokes" about psychological 
health in the context of denial of basic human rights is funny in the slightest.  

Can you figure out why that might be?

> As an dual citizen (Canada, USA) with no discernable religious or
> cultural ties of importance to me, I assure you that I'm not remotely
> interested in digesting you or anyone else, and, yes, I want you to
> stick around.

Very flattering.  Don't our wishes for life and our perceptions of what is 
best for ourselves and progeny hold more weight in the arena of human 
rights than your opinions?  We aren't asking you to stop what you are 
doing.  We are simply asking that we be allowed to remove ourselves
from your presence so that you can continue to do what you are doing
without affecting us.  You, on the other hand, would oppose the formation
of a sovereign state by those who share my perceptions -- perhaps on the
grounds of "paranoia".  How are you to distinguish yourself from your 
counterparts in the former Soviet Union?

Even if we simply believed that we might enjoy life a BIT more 
under self-determination than in the "kind, considerate, caring company
of wiser men" such as your self, would we not still not have the right
to pursue that belief?  

The fact that we perceive that we are in mortal danger from your kind
of person, that we simply do not possess the ability to "cure" you via
"dialogue" and that we must, therefore, abandon you to the fate you 
are now subject to should, if anything, ADD weight to our right to
self-determination -- not detract.

On what grounds would you deny us our right to self-determination,
to the pursuit of happiness for ourselves and our progeny?

The fact that we don't believe you competent to perceive reality or 
comprehend our explanations?  MUST we cast our perls before swine
to obtain our basic human rights?  Why must we?

You'll have to do better than that.  While we may believe your 
bloodline is being digested by secular Jews and other elements of your 
beloved "pluralistic society" and that you are being manipulated into 
accepting this fate due to your inability to perceive reality or protect 
your blood-line, we are NOT preventing you from pursuing your goal of 
self-destruction.  We are not only willing to allow you to pursue this 
goal for yourself and your progeny, we are willing to give up our rights
to have ANY influence over your right to feed your children to the fungus.

There are simply certain basic decisions that a people have to be allowed 
to make regardless of the opinion of other people as to the wisdom of 
those decisions.

Really, we are NOT interested in having a "dialogue" on how to make 
a pluralistic society work better or what our grievances might be.  We 
are only interested in getting away from you.  It is quit simple and 
clear cut as a human rights issue.

Bottom line, Ken, are you for or against the most basic of human 
rights?
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warren@vaccine.worlds.com (Warren Burstein) writes:
> In  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
>
> >It is really no different from any other sovereign state except that it
> >is permitted to screen its immigrants for genetic content.
>
> Since you claim to be interested in "apolitical genes" rather than
> blond hair and blue eyes, how to you plan to test for these genes?
> Do you qualify?
>
> And what happens to people born there who express recessive genes?


Warren, if you are planning to try to move there, then I suppose
this might be of some interest to you.

Otherwise, its none of your business.
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
>
> From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
> >Barry, if you will recall, *you* brought up Israel as a shining
> >example of multiculturalism and I brought up the fact that
> >Israel, like all multicultural states, has the same "hate" problem:
>
> No Mr Bowery, if you would re-read the note you quoted it's quite
> obvious I was only responding to your bizarre characterization of
> Israel as a homogeneous society.
>
> From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
> >From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
> >>Listen folks, there is a solution to the hate and it is called separatism.
> >
> >>We NEED that space just as Jews needed Israel for their cultural, if not
> >>genetic, protection.
> >
> >Israel is a multi-racial/religious/cultural society, even more so than
> >the US (which you seem to decry.)

OK, so you seem to be claiming that because Israel is cosmopolitan, that
therefore it does not serve to help protect and preserve Jewish culture
if not genes.  Either that or you are putting words in my mouth.  You will 
note that I did NOT state that Israel was "homogeneous" as you repeatedly 
claimed I stated, nor did I state that the hypothetical sovereign state
I propose would have to be like Israel in every way.

This sort of distortion and sophistry is an example of why my people want
to get away from your people.

We have better things to do with our time, like sacrifice connection to many
of our friends and family, abandon professional careers in the US and move
to a place where we will have to prepare for a harsh winter that might kill
us.
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harry@tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com (Harry Katz) writes:
> I wrote:
> 	Farrakhan wants those states?  Makes sense to me.  Now
> 	we have to figure out what to do to motivate those
> 	"racists" to move out of there...
>
> Not an easy task given the favorite bumper sticker reads, "American by
> birth.  Southern by the grace of God!"
>
>
> 	...and I can't think of anything better than a genetically
> 	screened Nordic nation in one of those verdant winterlands,
> 	can you?
>
> While Mr. Bowery decries what he perceives as social engineering foisted
> on an unsuspecting and unwilling population, he has no problem
> recommending his own form of social meddling.

I was just trying to speak your language, Harry.  Since we perceive
the world so differently, it was a necessary contrivance.

Believe me, I have very little fear of Farrakhan turning into some
sort of Hitler and deporting/exterminating the whites if he takes over
Dixie.  He knows he needs them down there to help train urban youth in
agriculture etc., and I believe he also would prefer to keep them
around since he knows they would be relatively easy to manipulate given
their gullible white genes compared to the social sophistication of
African genes.  It is precisely that sophistication that has Jews so
scared of Farrakhan now.  Jews are now getting a taste of what it
is like to have been a Germanic/Nord for the last millenium or so.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Patriots and Nazis
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quirke_a@ix.wcc.govt.nz writes:
> jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> 
> >When you are talking about the larger issues, I don't think I'm all
> >THAT perceptive.  A lot of other people see the things I see -- they
> >just don't talk about it much due to the slave mentality that has
> >been foisted upon them by your media/academia mind control system.
> 
>    I see.
> 
>    And how long have you had the impression you were able to read people's
> minds, Mr Bowery ?

As I've said before -- all you have to do is scratch the surface.  The
moral imprints laid down by academia and media "shamans" have their
limits.  Those limits were reached when the attacks against our bloodlines
became so egregious that even the most moral among us could no longer
bear up under the weight.  Now there are people who are consciously
submitting to dominance by secular Jewish masters while others are
going genocidal and others are going separatist.  Among the separatists
there are those who want to grab a piece of the already infected pie
like, say, the Pacific North West, and deport everyone else.  I recognize
this as a historically dangerous pattern (including the Aryans, the 
 nonpioneering Vikings and the Nazis) and further recognize pioneering as 
a historically successful pattern.

This nation was founded of by and for my people.  We prefer independence.
The problems of allowing Jews in weren't even considered by the founders.  
So few Jews wanted to brave the Atlantic ocean before 1776, such issues
were "in the noise" compared to the internal ethnic conflicts with the 
British nobility.  Our founders simply didn't know how to even BEGIN to 
think about such issues.  During the 1800s with subsequent waves of
immigration and gradual dilution of the genepool, the way was opened for
the final assault on our genetic and political Constitution.

The reason our Constitutional form of government is disintigrating is
because there was never even a question but that our ethnic group would be 
the citizens of this nation.  Genotypes that came subsequently are simply 
not compatible with the individualistic Constitution of our form of
government.  The black slaves in the New World were, for our founders,
a source of intellectual embarrassment.  They were simply not up to the
task presented by such implied pluralism.

As a consequence, all the "patriots" in the Constitutionalist movement 
are latent "racist, white supremicist, antisemitic, genocidal bigots".

The surface is being scratched.  People are calling to arms. 

I may be the only person who is speaking forcefully for an alternative
to suicide on the one hand or genocide on the other.

Although you may think that suicide is the only honorable choice for
my people, it really isn't the correct solution, not even for the
sociopathic Jews who think they know what is best for themselves and
have the tools to manipulate many of us into taking down our brethren.

Erocide, like genocide, is a short-term solution to a longer term 
problem that has profound backlash effects.  You are witnessing, in me, 
one of the earliest stages of a backlash against erocide.  Other stages 
are building and even beginning to manifest themselves as we speak.

I'm the best friend you have.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Homeland
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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:
> In article ,
> I think the main reason for poor Jim's whining here is the fact that he is
> so alone with his delusions. He believes he can get some support from
> international nets. That's why at least he's so often visiting
> soc.culture.nordic. 

No, I'm just more curious as to how far the erocide has gone in those
countries.  I suspect it is about as far gone as California if the
genetic mix is as I believe.  The difference is that the people
who stayed behind in Scandanavia are less likely to go pioneering
so they will either go genocidal or submit to genetic slavery, like
yourself.

I suspect the latter.

> He thinks that at least us "pure blooded Nordics" would
> understand his briljant theories. 

As I said, I suspect "pure blooded Nords" are less prone to go
pioneering than people who actually DID go pioneering.  One of the
things that helps people to label me a "kook" is the fact that I
just don't fit the mold of slave or Nazi.  Kooks say incomprehensible
things.  Nazi's say things that everyone comprehends all too well.

The only thing I think the silent ones don't understand is why I
don't identify as a Nazi.  That's because they have never experienced
a pioneering culture.  Hence, they DON'T understand my "brilliant
 theories" as you so flatteringly put it.

> But no, not a single one supporter, only
> angry and annoyed responses. 

Lots of secular Jews and "nords" like Kari who not only have Jewish
ancestry but are related via marriage to Jews -- or really don't want
to face a very nasty reality.

> No he concludes that the only reason is the "fact" that the nets are
> dominated by "the Jews". 

In terms of net traffice to population percentage ratios, Jews are at
the top for any group of their size or larger.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Time to act
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ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) writes:
> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
>    ingram@cs.duke.edu (Defender of the Faith) writes:
>    ... tripe ...
>
>    What's your real name "Defender"?
>
> [That's ``What's your real name COMMA "Defender"?''  Ah, for the days
>  of internet multi-media when one can engage in tele-blue-pencil.]
>
> This is a triviality to find out to those who know their way around
> the wonders of the net and a great mystery to the cluefully
> challenged.
>
>    The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
>      The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
>
> But what about the genes for cluefullness?  How do politics and
> frontiers affect them?

Thank you, Bob.

Not everyone who reads usenet newsgroups has access to the "finger" utility.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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v140pxgt@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes:
> Well, Jason, why is it that while fascist-racial supremacists such as 
> yourselves always say "Oh, we're only just interested in protecting our own
> 'people'", it always invariably happens that for some reason you have to act,
> and take rather extensive measures to protect your people-measures that would 
> make no sense unless the real goal was all along to completely eliminate any
> vestige of that threat whether potential or actual? Always sounds fishy to me.

Yes, Jason and many others make the mistake of identifying with the Nazis 
the Nazi made the mistake of identifying with the Aryans (a section of nordic 
bloodlines that went colonial and then went all but extinct).

Neither Jason nor I nor the rest of our kindred are Aryans -- nor are we
even old-world nordics who stayed behind to be consumed by or make war
on the encroachment of cosmopolitan cultures.  We are a pioneering sub-group
that tends to "move on" rather than engage in war.  We only fight when
cornered, but as can be seen in the history of the US, we are relatively
good at war when politicians get out of the way.

If there were a frontier -- a true frontier where we could exercise our
sovereignty and have full self-determiniation -- you would see the
pioneer in us emerge and overtake the "Nazi" persona which is held out as
the only modern archetype of our genetic interests.  Of course, it is
a failed archetype which is exactly why it is pushed by the "Jewish"
media as THE archetype -- so that people like Jason and others are drawn
into it where they can be easily disposed of.

The fact of the matter is, the Nazi's had some very important things right:

* Cosmopolitan urban cultures, most typically associated with "the Jew"
but also represented by many other genetic groups which evolved in more
benign climates, are, when intimately mixed, incompatible with the 
preservation of nordic bloodlines and traditions.

* Genes affect culture and culture affects genes whether we take
responsibility for this fact or not in our social policy.  At present
US government policy is selecting for some of the worst genetic traits 
imaginable.

* Socialism isn't as damaging where there is homogeneity.  The ultimate
case in point is the family unit, where socialism is downright necessary.


Now all three of these points are points where secular Jews are likely
to strongly disagree with us but if one thinks carefully, one sees that
all three of these points are internal issues best left up to the 
sovereignty of a people -- WHICH IS WHY SEPARATION IS NECESSARY.

Those of us who feel ourselves and our children mortally threatened by
the pluralistic environment in which we are born need have recourse to 
some form of self-determination in an environment free from those who:

1) Disagree on these issues which we hold to be most vital to our survival
and happiness.

and

2) Are so socially, politically and rhetorically sophisticated that even 
they don't recognize the extent of their peace-time ability to quash 
divergent ideas.

It is the mistake of the Nazi archetype to attempt to reclaim that which
has been lost to cosmopolitan urbanization rather than forging a life from 
the frontier.  Don't help drive us into the Nazi/Aryan archetype -- work 
with us to elicit the INDEPENDENT/pioneer archetype which, history has
show, creates positive options for us all.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:
> In article ,
> Jason Smith  wrote:
> 
> >	Aggravated assault (which was reduced to assault causing bodily
> >harm via plea-bargain), and being in a residence illegally.
> 
> So you ARE a dangerous, violent individual also physically?
> Have you ever considered that there might be something wrong
> deep down in your beeing - in your attitudes towards life
> and other human beings?
 
Have you ever considered that your behavior elicits dangerous
violent aspects of certain people's personalities?

Of course not, because you shouldn't HAVE to worry about 
eliciting such reactions. 

Nor should Jason have to worry about being around people like you
who elicit such reactions from people like us.

I happen to be from a more pacifistic strain of the nordic
blood-line (Quakers) which is why I haven't ended up becoming
a psychopathic murderer in response to people like you controlling
our society.  Oh, I'll agree that there are counter examples,
like Nixon, but he went to law school -- an ideal place to find
out just how incompatible nordic blood-lines are with cosmopolitan
sophistry.  Without an adequate understanding of his genetic 
limiations, Nixon engaged in the hubris that is the downfall of
our people -- he thought politics and colonialism, not technology
and pioneering, were our destiny.  

He was wrong.


-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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harry@tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com (Harry Katz) writes:
> 
> My favorite display of racist schizophrenia occured when I first moved
> to Atlanta, Georgia.  The racists would always say. "'Niggers' are
> lazy!"  But, when asked to do an especially dirty or difficult job, the
> same racists would say, "I'm not doing that!  I ain't no 'Nigger!'"
 
More indication that Farrakhan is right and that the southern states,
being hot and humid as they are, are better suited to African genes
than Nordic genes.  
 
Farrakhan wants those states?  Makes sense to me.  Now we have to
figure out what to do to motivate those "racists" to move out of
there and I can't think of anything better than a genetically screened
Nordic nation in one of those verdant winterlands, can you?  Of 
course, the genetic screening will pick up some set of African genes 
in those southern kindred of the Nords, and those Nord-African hybrids 
will come in VERY handy when it comes to interfacing with the 
cosmopolitan urban nations.  Why do you think there is such a low crime 
rate in the south compared to the areas where secular Jews dominate?  
The "good-ole-boys" have sacrificed some of their Nordic evolution to
gain some African strengths to serve our kindred.  Secular jews don't 
have a monopoly on hybrid vigor despite their rhetoric.
 
The problem in this newsgroup is we are speaking to a group of people 
who have the upper hand right now and want to keep EVERYONE around as 
"niggers" to do their dirty work for them.  Is it any wonder the 
"niggers" of both African and northern european descent are a bit anxious to get
away?  Is it any wonder the KKK and the Nation of Islam made their peace
in the 60's and the White Aryan Resistance's defense fund received 
donations from NOI?  How in the world are these groups becoming a virtual 
Brotherhood of Mankind independent of the "indepensible moral leadership" 
of the secular "Jew"'s media, academia and political powers?  Is it 
surprising that the typical "divide and conquer" tactics used by secular 
jews against separatists is failing, despite the fact that Farrakhan uses 
rhetoric like "white devils" to describe us?  As long as Farrakhan 
understands how desperately the American pioneer needs separation from 
the erocide of secular "Jewery", he will be able to get away with absolutely 
astounding abuses of our kindred and those of us who understand his agenda
will still support and respect the man.
 
The secular "Jew" simply went too far in his betrayal of the American
pioneer's good faith and sacrifice during and after WW II.  Despite his 
desperate attempts to now backpeddal by claiming he is a "white male" and 
that he is the leader in debunking Political Correctness, we will not 
forget it was HIS media, HIS women and HIS "scholars" who promoted 
sterilizing theories of cultural determinism, feminism and homosexuality 
among our people.  It was HIS wealth and genepool that benefitted 
during the decades of our recent decimation.
 
 
NEVER AGAIN.

-- 
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:
> In article ,
> Jim Bowery  wrote:
> >I happen to be from a more pacifistic strain of the nordic
> >blood-line (Quakers) which is why I haven't ended up becoming
> >a psychopathic murderer in response to people like you controlling
> >our society.
> 
> "People like you"? You mean that IJC? 

Big lie theory -- repeat "international jewish conspiracy" enough
and people will start to think I had brought one up.  Hitler really
DID learn that trick from you guys didn't he?  I think I must have 
seen this IJC lie thrown out about me more than 30 times in the last 
month.  Dan Gannon, like the Hitler, wasn't wrong about EVERYTHING
was he?


> Where I'm a secret member, 'cause
> I'm against racism and natziism and lying about history? 

Well, since I'm against all those things, too, I guess that makes
me a member as well?


> As far as I
> know Qakers are not any kind of nordic blood-line but a sect in protestant
> religion, 

For the most part, protestant religions were found by people of 
nordic blood-lines.

> so don't trust too much in it if you've got murderous thoughts
> towards people like me.

I don't think you need to worry too much Kari -- at least not about
me...

Look at the folks in soc.culture.jewish who have been calling for Farrakhan's 
murder as well as YOUR kindred who have called for my death and 
 dismemberment through mob violence -- and done so repeatedly.  

You know, when I sit back and ignore your lies and look at the simple
facts, the death and violence threates from the "Nazis" on the net have been 
virtually nonexistant while, among jews, there seems to be a relatively
high frequency of such threats.

DESPITE this evidence that the big lie is being practiced again and
again -- backed up by death and violence threats by jews against so called
"Nazis" -- I have seen very little reaction from those of nordic blood-lines.

Most of us just want to get away from you.  All we need to do so is sovereign
territory with genetic screening -- for which we would be willing to deal.  


-- 
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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treborlee@aol.com (Trebor Lee) writes:
> In article , bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
> writes:
> 
> >Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
> >ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
> >about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
> >body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of exicising its
> >most diseased bits.
> 
>      You sure do have some balls kike boy! Your the one who should be
> concerned, sleeping their at 700 Washington St. in Brighton, Ma. You think you
> can hide out and flame all of us gentiles, and make your idle threats, and go
> unnoticed??? I bet you would shit your panties if I gave you a phone call at
> (617) 787-0764 or stopped by your house. Crawl back under you rock and don't
> fuck with one of my white brothers!!!    

Well, it looks like Jews aren't the only ones capable of making threats.

Who is Trebor Lee anyway?

Listen folks, there is a solution to the hate and it is called separatism.

Our respective kindreds wouldn't be nearly as prone to violence and fraud
if it weren't for the fact that there is NO WHERE ON EARTH where my kindred
can find a sovereign ethnic space based on principles of genetic separation.

We NEED that space just as Jews needed Israel for their cultural, if not
genetic, protection.  

What is the price we must pay to obtain our homeland?  It is clear that we
will not be allowed to reclaim North or Western Europe as Jews were allowed
to reclaim the Levant, so what are we to do?
-- 
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Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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dolsky@mail.sas.upenn.edu (David F Olsky) writes:
> You know, Jim, I think that if Martin Luther, John Calvin, and John Knox
> were alive, they'd be laughing pretty hard in your face.

You know, David, if Martin Luther, at least, were alive today, I'd be
restraining him from going genocidal against Jews.  

Read what he has to say about Jews sometime... it ain't pretty.

I'm not familiar with Calvin or Knox's positions on Jews but I would wager it
isn't much prettier.

There is a reason for all this history and it isn't that "antisemites
 like Martin Luther are just losers who are jealous of the success of Jews."

But, of course, you guys won't listen to an honest voice when it appears 
will you?  You have to keep lying -- even to yourselves.  If you listened and
accepted some responsibility for this sordid historic pattern, we MIGHT be able
to resolve our mutual problems and not have to seek separation.

But history teaches us such will never be the case.  

Separatism is the only real "final solution".
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:
> It's impossible to discuss with you, Jim, because you seem to be totally
> blind and deaf to your own words. At first I'm writing about Sami's rights
> in soc.culture.jewish - well, the thread led to Samis from Palestinians -

Sami's rights were mentioned along with the idea that "ethnic thinking"
is a scourge.  That means the very notion of "Sami's" rights is a scourge.

> and label me a "Jewish woman" who is spreading "secular Jewish" propaganda

OK, I can understand about you being sensitive about me misidentifying you
as a woman.  If it makes you feel any better, I'll post an apology to
the relevant newsgroups.

As to your being a secular Jew, it is certainly the case that if you 
aren't one, you all but identify with them culturally.  This, of course,
is not unique.  Many people who have blood-ties, not just via ancestry
but through relations, to Jews are understandably concerned about 
antisemitism and the potential for another holocaust.  So if you aren't
a secular Jew you are STILL capable of having blood-ties that motivate
you to act as though you are one.

> to do with soc.culture.nordic. People got annoyed and started calling
> you names an ridicule you making jokes about the International Jewish
> Conspiracy. And of course you took everything litterally, because among
> other things you seem to have no sense of humor. 

Balderdash.  This International Jewish Conspiracy libel against me has
been going on for a lot longer than that -- it is a very convenient
prejudicial statement that happens to be false but believable -- joke
or not.  As believable false statement, I don't take it as a joke, just
as I would expect a Jew to not take it as a joke were I to begin making
"jokes" about blood-libel.

> And what about Dan
> Gannon and Hitler being wrong about everything, I guess nobody is wrong
> about everything but if you refer to racial issues so they both were/are
> very wrong.

Hitler was wrong about hybrid vigor and he didn't really understand 
WHY purebreeding is important.  The neglect of hybrid vigor was a
very serious, his ideas of racial supremicy as well but his failure to 
appreciate the exact reasons for purebreeding being valuable are only a 
minor embarrassment.  Hitler's errors in militarism, genocide and 
centralization were the ones we should all recognize as the REAL problem -- 
not his racism, let alone his racialism.

> Maybe, but if that's the only proof you've got for your pure, nordic
> blood, then there is a reasonable doubt as you Americans say so often
> in tv-shows.

I happen to be quite certain I DON'T have pure nordic blood.   

You guys are so blinded by your prejudice and expectations you can't
comprehend anything of what I write.  You always have to cram it
back into your neat little stereotypes so it fits your prejudices.

And you have the gall to call me a racist bigot.

PS:  No I won't forget your existence as long as you are serving as
a cats paw for secular jewish style ethnic clensing -- as you clearly
are -- regardless of your actual genotype.  You are simply an
extended phenotype.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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dolsky@mail.sas.upenn.edu (David F Olsky) writes:
> In article  rburns@netcom.com (Randall J. Burns) writes:
> >In article <2q6ecm$3j3@netnews.upenn.edu> dolsky@mail.sas.upenn.edu (David F Olsky) writes:
> >>                                                                          
> 
> >>>For the most part, protestant religions were found by people of      
> >>>nordic blood-lines.                                                       
> >> 
> >>You know, Jim, I think that if Martin Luther, John Calvin, and John Knox
> >>were alive, they'd be laughing pretty hard in your face.
> 
> >Well, Martin Luther was _far_ more of an anti-semite than Mr. Bowery.
> 
> Well, they'd still be laughing in his face, anti-semitic or not.  Remember
> that Scandanavians *adopted* protestantism; they did not found it. 

If you want to start splitting hairs about what is "Norden" and what
is not -- fine.  There are arguments about this from time to time in 
soc.culture.nordic.  The phenotypic and genotypic differences between
the various indigenous N&W europeans are not all that great.

> Kind of interesting here.  I had a grandfather whose last name was Fox,
> and he was Irish.  This is, of course, a very common name.  So, if a
> combination of Irish and Anglo-Saxons founded the Quakers and Jim is
> descended from them, he must not be from this "nordic" bloodline. 
> Somehow, I don't think that George Fox would like him to deny his ancestry.

The Vikings even went into Ireland, David (as well as the Normans).  Anyway,
I don't claim to be a purebred nord -- only Quaker pioneer who is about
as pure as they come.
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> Last I heard about 20% of Israel's population was non-Jewish Arab, a
> far greater percentage than the "others" you seem to feel are
> encroaching on you in the US (depends on how you cut it I suppose.)
> 
> Jews themselves are also multi-racial etc, witness the thousands of
> Black Ethiopian Jews who have recently emigrated to Israel.
> 
> Anyhow, other than conjuring up simple-minded cartoon images of Israel
> I believe you have chosen a rather poor example, not that I can think
> of any good examples.
> 
> Well, hey, on with the show...

Oh you mean the show where the guy walks into the Israeli mosque and 
mows down a bunch of praying Muslims?

Yeah, that was prime time!

Your "multicultural-multiracial" Israel leaves something to be 
desired.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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quirke_a@ix.wcc.govt.nz writes:
... 

By the way, what are you guys doing in New Zealand these days?  Of the
folks on the internet from NZ, more than half are Jewish.  
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:
> I'm a member of the western culture family - thats how I identify myself -
> and I agree that my morals are thus based much on Jewish-Greco-Roman heritage.
> as well as yours even if you try to deny it. You really think it takes
> "blood-ties" to be concerned about antisemitism and the potential for another
> holocaust? Yes, that's what you obviously think and NOW I understand why
> it is so hard for you to believe that I'm not a "Jew" secular or other...
> Poor Jim, you are really deep in it... what ever it is.

Well, I was being kind, Kari.  So I guess that will teach me a lesson.

> Ok. So let me ask you one question: Do you believe or do you not, that
> there really is some kind of International Jewish Conspiracy?

No.  As I've stated more than enough times before, population genetic
patterns and shifts are not conspiracies.  The africanized bees
do not conspire to displace the european bees.  The brood-parasite
does not conspire to snatch food from the mouth of its "siblings".
The regicidal parasite does not conspire with the worker ants
to turn them against their own queen and then to serve the 
parasite and its reproductive young.

These are simply natural patterns that evolve under the "right"
conditions -- conditions created by Rome in its colonization of
the Levant and the emergence of technology in europe.

> Your racial theories has proven wrong here before by better genealogists
> than me, so I won't even try. And no matter what you say, for me there
> is only one race: the human race.

Somehow their arguments were quite unconvincing, although I admit that
if I were a wide-eyed teenager entering college, I MIGHT have swallowed
the lies.
 
> >I happen to be quite certain I DON'T have pure nordic blood.   
> 
> So you have to be left outside of your own future consentration camp for
> pure blooded nordic people?

Sure.  Out of those portions that are reserved for purebloods and
initially maybe even out of the whole thing until better methods of
discrimination are developed.

> Considering how you have been stereotyping me here and in soc.culture.nordic,
> I think you are the last person to complain about stereotyping. 
> I think I comprehend everything you write - that's the main reason I
> answer to you.

But you fit the stereotype so well, Kari.

> What is exatly "secular jewish style ethnic cleansing"? 

Pluralism everywhere regardless of the nature of the indigenous peoples
and their vulnerability to displacement by socially more adept 
anthrosystems.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Svidrigailov) writes:
>         Funny, Jim, I'm almost pure 100% celt, and I have no idea what you're
> talking about when you say "soveriegn ethnic space".  

It is really no different from any other sovereign state except that it
is permitted to screen its immigrants for genetic content.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Unsupported claims about the desires of "Nordic blood-lines"
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kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
> >> "People like you"? You mean that IJC? 

No, people who have zero respect for the wishes of others to be
left alone in their sovereign states because you know that if
you can just become part of their society, you can manipulate
yourself into dominance over them.

Oh -- also the members of the society who you have so 
manipulated that they serve as puppets or slaves to your
ethnic agenda.   A lot of "liberals", homosexuals, feminists
and the like fit into that category.  They exhibit "extended 
 phenotypes" of your more dominant genotype.

> (By the way, I was once quite active with the local Friends meeting, in
> Portland, Oregon, 

Why doesn't this surprise me in the least?

>and suspect those good folks would be quite surprised that
> anyone would like them with "Nordic blood lines.")

The history of population genetics in Northern Europe created enough 
mixing between the various ethnic groups in the winterlands that it is
reasonable to use the word Nordic for all of them.  Some dispute this
but it is little more productive to argue about it than the word "Jew".

-- 
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  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> Our second-favorite net.nazi is back...

Ted!  Where have you been?  I've been posting frequently
for awhile now but you seem to have missed all the fun
with Linda Thompson and the acquitted tax protester in
Tennessee and the move in the Idaho legislature for
sovereignty.

Been out schmoozing with a federal judge?

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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: DEPORT US!!!
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kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> 
> >Listen folks, there is a solution to the hate and it is called separatism.
> 
> I have difficulty comprehending that, and I'd appreciate it if you'd expand
> on the theory.

It's sort of like a divorce.  You know how sometimes there are what are
known as "irreconcilable differences" and that until separation an 
inventory of bad feelings can build and build? 

> >Our respective kindreds wouldn't be nearly as prone to violence and fraud
> >if it weren't for the fact that there is NO WHERE ON EARTH where my kindred
> >can find a sovereign ethnic space based on principles of genetic separation.
> 
> Who are your "kindred," Jim? What evidence do you have that supports your
> assertion that these folks _want_ a "sovereign ethnic space?"

All those people who are being misguided into Naziism, holocaust revisionism
and general thrashing around in nonproductive modes because they can't see
any route to escape toxic influences in their environment.

> >We NEED that space just as Jews needed Israel for their cultural, if not
> >genetic, protection.  
> 
> Why?

We don't want to be your food.  Why do you want us to stick around?

Oh, that's just a little too obvious I guess... and I know the response will
be something along the lines of "no one wants to make you their food, Jim... 
are you ON something?"  Probably phrased in a more benign way such as...
"Why do you think I want to make you be my food?"  

This is like arguing with a fungus... 


> >What is the price we must pay to obtain our homeland?  It is clear that we
> >will not be allowed to reclaim North or Western Europe as Jews were allowed
> >to reclaim the Levant, so what are we to do?
> 
> Learn to live and let live?

Said the AIDS virus to the host's immune system...
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:
> In article ,
> Randall J. Burns  wrote:
> >Kari,  I have a question for you: in  an earlier post you suggested
> >that  Jim Bowery "needed help" and suggested he seek some kind of 
> >psychotherapy. 
> >
> >Do you really think that public humiliation tactics are conducive to
> >the promotion of mental health? Do you really think that if you did
> >run into a troubled individual who might benefit by psychotherapy
> >that  suggesting this in public would be the best way to encourage
> >them to do so?
> >
> 
> Well, I think Mr. Bowery humiliated himself with his paranoid comments,
> if it is humiliating to show ones need for help in public. I don't see
> that mental sickness is any more humiliating than a physical one. Besides
> I don't believe that I would be able to encourage Mr. Bowery to do anything,
> privately or publicly.

Actually, my real crime is that I focus on primary causes that really
get to the root of the matter.  I'm a radical.  Radicals are always
reviled as kooks by those who are threatened by them.

It's just the ecology of anthrosystems playing itself out through 
history.  This stuff about "mental illness" is a hark back to the days 
of the Inquisition when heretics were presumed to be "possessed" or 
something.  Instead of the torture chamber of the Inquisitor, we have 
the much "kinder" "mental health profession" which is disproportionately 
founded and operated by secular "Jewery".

Mind butchers.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
> >By the way, what are you guys doing in New Zealand these days?  Of the
> >folks on the internet from NZ, more than half are Jewish.  
> 
> One can only wonder how he concludes this.

The most casual observation, from which it is obvious.

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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
> >Oh you mean the show where the guy walks into the Israeli mosque and 
> >mows down a bunch of praying Muslims?
> >
> >Yeah, that was prime time!
> >
> >Your "multicultural-multiracial" Israel leaves something to be 
> >desired.
> 
> (Ain't my Israel)
> 
> (but it was you who put it up as some sort of ideal)

Obviously, as I said, it leaves something to be desired...

Like making it a lot less multicultural and multiracial...

I understand the frustration of observant Jews who want to see
a RELIGIOUS state in Israel.  What they don't really understand
is that by demanding such, they are attempting to do basically
what the German people deeply wanted to do with Northern Europe -- 
and which Hitler promised, but did not deliver due to his 
identification with Aryans (the indo-branch) rather than 
identifying with the euro-branch.

Mowing people down in a Mosque is very much akin to the error
the antisemites of Germany made in establishing such a state.  
Persecution is self-defeating.  Separatism is the first step 
and pioneering new territories is the objective that has 
historically proven the route to genetic success.

First get your immune system to function, then go out and
be productive.



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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> Our second-favorite net.nazi is back...

Ted!  Where have you been?  I've been posting frequently
for awhile now but you seem to have missed all the fun
with Linda Thompson and the acquitted tax protester in
Tennessee and the move in the Idaho legislature for
sovereignty.

Been out schmoozing with a federal judge?
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  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


From oneb!hakatac!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!psgrain!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jabowery Thu May 12 09:11:37 PDT 1994
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Homeland    
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kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> 
> >Listen folks, there is a solution to the hate and it is called separatism.
> 
> I have difficulty comprehending that, and I'd appreciate it if you'd expand
> on the theory.

It's sort of like a divorce.  You know how sometimes there are what are
known as "irreconcilable differences" and that until separation an 
inventory of bad feelings can build and build? 

> >Our respective kindreds wouldn't be nearly as prone to violence and fraud
> >if it weren't for the fact that there is NO WHERE ON EARTH where my kindred
> >can find a sovereign ethnic space based on principles of genetic separation.
> 
> Who are your "kindred," Jim? What evidence do you have that supports your
> assertion that these folks _want_ a "sovereign ethnic space?"

All those people who are being misguided into Naziism, holocaust revisionism
and general thrashing around in nonproductive modes because they can't see
any route to escape toxic influences in their environment.

> >We NEED that space just as Jews needed Israel for their cultural, if not
> >genetic, protection.  
> 
> Why?

We don't want to be your food.  Why do you want us to stick around?

Oh, that's just a little too obvious I guess... and I know the response will
be something along the lines of "no one wants to make you their food, Jim... 
are you ON something?"  Probably phrased in a more benign way such as...
"Why do you think I want to make you be my food?"  

This is like arguing with a fungus... 


> >What is the price we must pay to obtain our homeland?  It is clear that we
> >will not be allowed to reclaim North or Western Europe as Jews were allowed
> >to reclaim the Levant, so what are we to do?
> 
> Learn to live and let live?

Said the AIDS virus to the host's immune system...
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The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


From oneb!hakatac!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!psgrain!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jabowery Thu May 12 09:11:38 PDT 1994
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:
> In article ,
> Randall J. Burns  wrote:
> >Kari,  I have a question for you: in  an earlier post you suggested
> >that  Jim Bowery "needed help" and suggested he seek some kind of 
> >psychotherapy. 
> >
> >Do you really think that public humiliation tactics are conducive to
> >the promotion of mental health? Do you really think that if you did
> >run into a troubled individual who might benefit by psychotherapy
> >that  suggesting this in public would be the best way to encourage
> >them to do so?
> >
> 
> Well, I think Mr. Bowery humiliated himself with his paranoid comments,
> if it is humiliating to show ones need for help in public. I don't see
> that mental sickness is any more humiliating than a physical one. Besides
> I don't believe that I would be able to encourage Mr. Bowery to do anything,
> privately or publicly.

Actually, my real crime is that I focus on primary causes that really
get to the root of the matter.  I'm a radical.  Radicals are always
reviled as kooks by those who are threatened by them.

It's just the ecology of anthrosystems playing itself out through 
history.  This stuff about "mental illness" is a hark back to the days 
of the Inquisition when heretics were presumed to be "possessed" or 
something.  Instead of the torture chamber of the Inquisitor, we have 
the much "kinder" "mental health profession" which is disproportionately 
founded and operated by secular "Jewery".
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From oneb!hakatac!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!psgrain!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jabowery Thu May 12 09:11:38 PDT 1994
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
> >By the way, what are you guys doing in New Zealand these days?  Of the
> >folks on the internet from NZ, more than half are Jewish.  
> 
> One can only wonder how he concludes this.

Most casual observation, from which it is obvious.
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From oneb!hakatac!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!psgrain!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jabowery Thu May 12 09:11:39 PDT 1994
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
> >Oh you mean the show where the guy walks into the Israeli mosque and 
> >mows down a bunch of praying Muslims?
> >
> >Yeah, that was prime time!
> >
> >Your "multicultural-multiracial" Israel leaves something to be 
> >desired.
> 
> (Ain't my Israel)
> 
> (but it was you who put it up as some sort of ideal)

Obviously, as I said, it leaves something to be desired...

Like making it a lot less multicultural and multiracial...

I understand the frustration of observant Jews who want to see
a RELIGIOUS state in Israel.  What they don't really understand
is that by demanding such, they are attempting to do basically
what the German people deeply wanted to do with Northern Europe -- 
and which Hitler promised, but did not deliver due to his 
identification with Aryans (the indo-branch) rather than 
identifying with the euro-branch.

Mowing people down in a Mosque is very much akin to the error
the antisemites of Germany made in establishing such a state.  
Persecution is self-defeating.  Separatism is the first step 
and pioneering new territories is the objective that has 
historically proven the route to genetic success.

First get your immune system to function, then go out and
be productive.


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The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


From oneb!hakatac!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!psgrain!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jabowery Thu May 12 09:11:40 PDT 1994
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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stara@husc7.harvard.edu (Felix Vagabond) writes:
> quirke_a@ix.wcc.govt.nz wrote:
> : jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> 
> : >But, of course, you guys won't listen to an honest voice when it appears 
> : >will you?  You have to keep lying -- even to yourselves.  If you listened and
> : >accepted some responsibility for this sordid historic pattern, we MIGHT be 
> : >able to resolve our mutual problems and not have to seek separation.
> 
> :    I'm sorry, but Freud just *labeled* paranoid delusions. He didn't
> : create them, and therefore neither he nor Jews in general bear no
> : responsibility for your unfortunate condition.
> 
> 
> 
>    His condition is somehow critical and in need of immediate attention
>    to remedy hia ailment otherwise we will have to deal with this spread
>    of the disease to other segment society.

Yeah sort of like the way demons were spread by witches in the middle ages.

Call in the inquisitors -- ur -- psychotherapists!!!
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> Jim, I have a sneaking suspicion that there are many things which only
> you can see.

Well, if you mean my messy office here, you're right.  

When you are talking about the larger issues, I don't think I'm all
THAT perceptive.  A lot of other people see the things I see -- they
just don't talk about it much due to the slave mentality that has
been foisted upon them by your media/academia mind control system.

All you have to do is scratch the surface...
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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quirke_a@ix.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>    Whoopee, by Jim's lights I'm a "secular Jew" too. *Yawn*

What's your religion, Tony?
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  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


From oneb!hakatac!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!psgrain!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jabowery Thu May 12 09:11:47 PDT 1994
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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Peter Skaliks  writes:
> bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> > 
> > >>I think the tower guy was named Whitman.  Starkweather is the guy who
> > >>killed the nurses in Chicago.  But geez, ask Bowery, he's the mass
> > >>murderer fan.
> > 
> > I assume we can take all this as not terribly supportive of Bowery's
> > thesis that mass murder is somehow special and unique to Israel?
> 
> Mass murder is not unique to Israel, you are quite correct. 

Now if I could only find the place where I said or implied that
"mass murder is somehow special and unique to Israel" ... I never
THOUGHT I held that thesis, but then I also never thought I was a
genocidal Nazi hatemonger ... that is until I started reading what
secular "Jews" and their toadies have to say about me.
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From oneb!hakatac!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jabowery Thu May 12 09:11:48 PDT 1994
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: A reply to the e-mail of an "admirer"
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hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
> We seek independence from your "multicultural" deathstyle.  We demand the right
> to live how we wish with whom we wish.  WE, not you, decide whether we want to 
> change course from your path to destruction.  Racial and cultural self-deter-
> mination is the most fundamental of human rights.  What you advocate is genocide.
>
> I am fully aware of the most important events and trends in history.  I have 
> intensively studied native Aryan cultures, as well as non-White cultures,
> for many years now.  My studies have reinforced all of my National Socialist
> beliefs.  *I* know myself and my heritage.  Do you?

While hermann and I disagree on many important things, we are kindred in both blood 
and separatist intent.  These are the most important of all and there is no
point in getting us to argue against each other on your behalf any longer.  You
have simply lost your moral authority over us.  It's time for us to go.

Allow us to form our own political, social and academic systems wherein we will
determine, as kindred, according to the law of our own blood, our own justice
among our own people.  Even our most profound disagreements are as nothing compared 
to the loss of tens of millions of our people to the pluralistic erocide you have 
imposed.  If we are to suffer, as I am sure you will claim we will in the absence
of your "civilized guidance", then let us suffer at our OWN hand in such a way
as to make it obvious to us we are responsible and not you.

Despite the fact that you may perceive no slaughter of our blood, you cannot deny 
us our own self-determination without calling into question the sincerity of
that denial. 

Let us have OUR homeland.

-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


From oneb!hakatac!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!psgrain!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jabowery Thu May 12 09:11:49 PDT 1994
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Hoess -  "A True Pioneer"
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kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
> Archive/File: holocaust/auschwitz hoess.01
> Last-Modified: 1992/10/17
> 
> "HOESS, RUDOLF FRANZ (1900-1947)... In 1934 he was attached to the SS
> at Dachau ... 1940 given rank of SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer in command at
> the Auschwitz camp. [He] was responsible for the execution of more
> than 2.5 million inmates, not counting a half million who were allowed
> to starve to death. He performed his job so well that he was commended
> in a 1944 SS report that called him "a true pioneer in this area
> because of his new ideas and educational methods." He was sentenced to
> death at Warsaw and was executed several days later at Auschwitz. 
> 
> At the fulcrum of the extermination system in Poland were the camps at
> Auschwitz, Maidanek, Treblinka, Chelmno, Belzec, and Sobibor....
> Auschwitz was the most notorious of the extermination centers. At the
> height of its activity Auschwitz could house more the 100,000 men and
> women and could provide for the gassing and incineration of 12,000
> prisoners a day.... The .. gas chambers could accommodate 2,000
> prisoners at one time. Rudolf Hoess testified at Nuremberg: 'When I
> set up the extermination building at Auschwitz, I used Zyclon B which
> was crystallized prussic acid which we dropped into the death-chamber
> from a small opening. It took from 3 to 15 minutes to kill the people
> in the death-chamber, depending on climatic conditions. We knew when
> the people were dead because their screaming stopped. We usually
> waited for half-an-hour before we opened the doors and removed the
> bodies. After the bodies were removed our special commandos
> ['Sonderkommandos' made up of prisoners who were partially trusted]
> took off the rings and extracted the gold teeth of the corpses.'
> 
> 'We tried to fool the victims into believing that they were going
> through a delousing process. Of course, at times they realized our
> true intentions and we sometimes had riots and difficulties.
> Frequently women would hide their children under their clothes, but we
> found them and we sent the children to be exterminated. We were
> required to carry out these exterminations in secrecy, but the foul
> and nauseating stench from the continued burning of bodies permeated
> the whole area and all the people living around Auschwitz knew what
> was going on.'" (Snyder)
> 
> "The gassing was carried out in the detention cells of Block 11.
> Proctected by a gas mask, I watched the killing myself. In the crowded
> cells, death came instantaneously the moment the Zyklon B was thrown
> in. A short, almost smothered cry, and it was all over....  I must
> even admit that this gassing set my mind at rest, for the mass
> extermination of the Jews was to start soon, and at that time neither
> Eichmann nor I was certain as to how these mass killings were to be
> carried out. In would be by gas, but we did not know which gas and how
> it was to be used. Now we had the gas, and we had established a
> procedure."  (Museum, 92-95)
> 
>                            Work Cited
> 
> Museum w Oswiecimu. KL Auschwitz Seen by the SS Hoess, Broad, Kremer,
> Second edition, Museum w Oswiecimu, 1978.
> 
> Snyder, Dr. Louis L. Encyclopedia of the Third Reich. New York: Paragon
> House, 1989. ISBN 1-55778-144-3
> 
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From oneb!hakatac!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!psgrain!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jabowery Thu May 12 09:11:50 PDT 1994
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Hoess -  "A True Pioneer"
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kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
> Archive/File: holocaust/auschwitz hoess.01
> Last-Modified: 1992/10/17
> 
> "HOESS, RUDOLF FRANZ (1900-1947)... 

Attention Germanic lineage:

DO NOT allow yourself to be drawn into this "debate."

It is a trap.

Focus on separation from Jews and the reasons for
doing so -- not on whether or not our kindred sought
to exterminate them.  If they did, as I believe they 
did, it is understandable, albiet immoral.

Instead, we must separate cleanly and completely so
as to avoid further temptations toward genocide.

Work toward that goal and that goal only.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: A reply to the e-mail of an "admirer"
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
> >Allow us to form our own political, social and academic systems
> >wherein we will determine, as kindred, according to the law of our own
> >blood, our own justice among our own people.
> 
> What do you mean "allow"? Who should allow you? Who are you
> addressing? Who are you appealing to? Give us all a hint.
> 
> Or is this just a prayer to some deity?

I'm speaking to the real issue.

> >Let us have OUR homeland.
> 
> How many of "you" are there?

Probably less than 10% of those of Nordic/Germanic descent would
prefer to live in a country that has stringent laws against the
immigration of those of Jewish or other heritage.  Of those probably
only 10% would be willing to make the sacrifice necessary to
move to a harsh, sparsely populated land area in Siberia or Alaska.

Maybe 1 million people total.

I honestly believe that if secular Jews would simply NOT OPPOSE 
self-determination for our people, such a homeland would come into 
existence very quickly.

Since they have no moral basis for opposing self-determination of any
people, let alone people who sees them as an imminent and mortal threat,
one can only assume that their failure of morality in this area hides 
an unconscious awareness of their own parasitic nature -- a fear that
once the food source begins to leave -- they suffer.  But since they
are human, like the rest of us, they will, I am sure, find a way to
replace their food source with some sort of self-sustaining activity.

Inconvenience is not sufficient justification for depriving others
of their human rights.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
> >> > >>I think the tower guy was named Whitman.  Starkweather is the guy who
> >> > >>killed the nurses in Chicago.  But geez, ask Bowery, he's the mass
> >> > >>murderer fan.
> >> > 
> >> > I assume we can take all this as not terribly supportive of Bowery's
> >> > thesis that mass murder is somehow special and unique to Israel?
> >> 
> >> Mass murder is not unique to Israel, you are quite correct. 
> >
> >Now if I could only find the place where I said or implied that
> >"mass murder is somehow special and unique to Israel"
> 
> When you began citing an instance of mass murder as evidence of a
> problem peculiar to Israel's non-homogeneous society. The
> counter-point being that random and criminal mass murder (as opposed
> to that initiated by the state) appears to be just about ubiquitous in
> every society, 

Barry, if you will recall, *you* brought up Israel as a shining 
example of multiculturalism and I brought up the fact that 
Israel, like all multicultural states, has the same "hate" problem:

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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> >It's sort of like a divorce.  You know how sometimes there are what are
> >known as "irreconcilable differences" and that until separation an 
> >inventory of bad feelings can build and build? 
> 
> OK, even my aged mind comprehends that. Now perhaps you can define
> which groups experience these irreconcilable differences between
> them...

There are times when one party in a marriage doesn't want the divorce
and the other party wants the divorce.  The "irreconcilable differences"
may be totally one sided -- and indeed this is often the case.  The complaints
of the "unoffended" party to the effect that there is no reason for the marriage
partner to stick around cannot keep a marriage together.  How much less
justification does a party, such as yourself, or your secular Jewish "friends",
have to deny us the right to self-determination? 

Folks like you, Ken, and your pluralistic brethren, see no problem.

That is your privilege.

It is NOT your privilege to deny us self-determination that you have shown 
by dismissing our rights on the grounds that we are not psychologically 
competent, no matter how "justifiable" that opinion may be.

Perhaps you think your diagnoses are funny.  I have some friends from 
the former Soviet Union who don't think such "jokes" about psychological 
health in the context of denial of basic human rights is funny in the slightest.  

Can you figure out why that might be?

> As an dual citizen (Canada, USA) with no discernable religious or
> cultural ties of importance to me, I assure you that I'm not remotely
> interested in digesting you or anyone else, and, yes, I want you to
> stick around.

Very flattering.  Don't our wishes for life and our perceptions of what is 
best for ourselves and progeny hold more weight in the arena of human 
rights than your opinions?  We aren't asking you to stop what you are 
doing.  We are simply asking that we be allowed to remove ourselves
from your presence so that you can continue to do what you are doing
without affecting us.  You, on the other hand, would oppose the formation
of a sovereign state by those who share my perceptions -- perhaps on the
grounds of "paranoia".  How are you to distinguish yourself from your 
counterparts in the former Soviet Union?

Even if we simply believed that we might enjoy life a BIT more 
under self-determination than in the "kind, considerate, caring company
of wiser men" such as your self, would we not still not have the right
to pursue that belief?  

The fact that we perceive that we are in mortal danger from your kind
of person, that we simply do not possess the ability to "cure" you via
"dialogue" and that we must, therefore, abandon you to the fate you 
are now subject to should, if anything, ADD weight to our right to
self-determination -- not detract.

On what grounds would you deny us our right to self-determination,
to the pursuit of happiness for ourselves and our progeny?

The fact that we don't believe you competent to perceive reality or 
comprehend our explanations?  MUST we cast our perls before swine
to obtain our basic human rights?  Why must we?

You'll have to do better than that.  While we may believe your 
bloodline is being digested by secular Jews and other elements of your 
beloved "pluralistic society" and that you are being manipulated into 
accepting this fate due to your inability to perceive reality or protect 
your blood-line, we are NOT preventing you from pursuing your goal of 
self-destruction.  We are not only willing to allow you to pursue this 
goal for yourself and your progeny, we are willing to give up our rights
to have ANY influence over your right to feed your children to the fungus.

There are simply certain basic decisions that a people have to be allowed 
to make regardless of the opinion of other people as to the wisdom of 
those decisions.

Really, we are NOT interested in having a "dialogue" on how to make 
a pluralistic society work better or what our grievances might be.  We 
are only interested in getting away from you.  It is quit simple and 
clear cut as a human rights issue.

Bottom line, Ken, are you for or against the most basic of human 
rights?
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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warren@vaccine.worlds.com (Warren Burstein) writes:
> In  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
>
> >It is really no different from any other sovereign state except that it
> >is permitted to screen its immigrants for genetic content.
>
> Since you claim to be interested in "apolitical genes" rather than
> blond hair and blue eyes, how to you plan to test for these genes?
> Do you qualify?
>
> And what happens to people born there who express recessive genes?


Warren, if you are planning to try to move there, then I suppose
this might be of some interest to you.

Otherwise, its none of your business.
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
>
> From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
> >Barry, if you will recall, *you* brought up Israel as a shining
> >example of multiculturalism and I brought up the fact that
> >Israel, like all multicultural states, has the same "hate" problem:
>
> No Mr Bowery, if you would re-read the note you quoted it's quite
> obvious I was only responding to your bizarre characterization of
> Israel as a homogeneous society.
>
> From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
> >From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
> >>Listen folks, there is a solution to the hate and it is called separatism.
> >
> >>We NEED that space just as Jews needed Israel for their cultural, if not
> >>genetic, protection.
> >
> >Israel is a multi-racial/religious/cultural society, even more so than
> >the US (which you seem to decry.)

OK, so you seem to be claiming that because Israel is cosmopolitan, that
therefore it does not serve to help protect and preserve Jewish culture
if not genes.  Either that or you are putting words in my mouth.  You will 
note that I did NOT state that Israel was "homogeneous" as you repeatedly 
claimed I stated, nor did I state that the hypothetical sovereign state
I propose would have to be like Israel in every way.

This sort of distortion and sophistry is an example of why my people want
to get away from your people.

We have better things to do with our time, like sacrifice connection to many
of our friends and family, abandon professional careers in the US and move
to a place where we will have to prepare for a harsh winter that might kill
us.
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harry@tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com (Harry Katz) writes:
> I wrote:
> 	Farrakhan wants those states?  Makes sense to me.  Now
> 	we have to figure out what to do to motivate those
> 	"racists" to move out of there...
>
> Not an easy task given the favorite bumper sticker reads, "American by
> birth.  Southern by the grace of God!"
>
>
> 	...and I can't think of anything better than a genetically
> 	screened Nordic nation in one of those verdant winterlands,
> 	can you?
>
> While Mr. Bowery decries what he perceives as social engineering foisted
> on an unsuspecting and unwilling population, he has no problem
> recommending his own form of social meddling.

I was just trying to speak your language, Harry.  Since we perceive
the world so differently, it was a necessary contrivance.

Believe me, I have very little fear of Farrakhan turning into some
sort of Hitler and deporting/exterminating the whites if he takes over
Dixie.  He knows he needs them down there to help train urban youth in
agriculture etc., and I believe he also would prefer to keep them
around since he knows they would be relatively easy to manipulate given
their gullible white genes compared to the social sophistication of
African genes.  It is precisely that sophistication that has Jews so
scared of Farrakhan now.  Jews are now getting a taste of what it
is like to have been a Germanic/Nord for the last millenium or so.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Patriots and Nazis
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quirke_a@ix.wcc.govt.nz writes:
> jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> 
> >When you are talking about the larger issues, I don't think I'm all
> >THAT perceptive.  A lot of other people see the things I see -- they
> >just don't talk about it much due to the slave mentality that has
> >been foisted upon them by your media/academia mind control system.
> 
>    I see.
> 
>    And how long have you had the impression you were able to read people's
> minds, Mr Bowery ?

As I've said before -- all you have to do is scratch the surface.  The
moral imprints laid down by academia and media "shamans" have their
limits.  Those limits were reached when the attacks against our bloodlines
became so egregious that even the most moral among us could no longer
bear up under the weight.  Now there are people who are consciously
submitting to dominance by secular Jewish masters while others are
going genocidal and others are going separatist.  Among the separatists
there are those who want to grab a piece of the already infected pie
like, say, the Pacific North West, and deport everyone else.  I recognize
this as a historically dangerous pattern (including the Aryans, the 
 nonpioneering Vikings and the Nazis) and further recognize pioneering as 
a historically successful pattern.

This nation was founded of by and for my people.  We prefer independence.
The problems of allowing Jews in weren't even considered by the founders.  
So few Jews wanted to brave the Atlantic ocean before 1776, such issues
were "in the noise" compared to the internal ethnic conflicts with the 
British nobility.  Our founders simply didn't know how to even BEGIN to 
think about such issues.  During the 1800s with subsequent waves of
immigration and gradual dilution of the genepool, the way was opened for
the final assault on our genetic and political Constitution.

The reason our Constitutional form of government is disintigrating is
because there was never even a question but that our ethnic group would be 
the citizens of this nation.  Genotypes that came subsequently are simply 
not compatible with the individualistic Constitution of our form of
government.  The black slaves in the New World were, for our founders,
a source of intellectual embarrassment.  They were simply not up to the
task presented by such implied pluralism.

As a consequence, all the "patriots" in the Constitutionalist movement 
are latent "racist, white supremicist, antisemitic, genocidal bigots".

The surface is being scratched.  People are calling to arms. 

I may be the only person who is speaking forcefully for an alternative
to suicide on the one hand or genocide on the other.

Although you may think that suicide is the only honorable choice for
my people, it really isn't the correct solution, not even for the
sociopathic Jews who think they know what is best for themselves and
have the tools to manipulate many of us into taking down our brethren.

Erocide, like genocide, is a short-term solution to a longer term 
problem that has profound backlash effects.  You are witnessing, in me, 
one of the earliest stages of a backlash against erocide.  Other stages 
are building and even beginning to manifest themselves as we speak.

I'm the best friend you have.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Homeland
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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:
> In article ,
> I think the main reason for poor Jim's whining here is the fact that he is
> so alone with his delusions. He believes he can get some support from
> international nets. That's why at least he's so often visiting
> soc.culture.nordic. 

No, I'm just more curious as to how far the erocide has gone in those
countries.  I suspect it is about as far gone as California if the
genetic mix is as I believe.  The difference is that the people
who stayed behind in Scandanavia are less likely to go pioneering
so they will either go genocidal or submit to genetic slavery, like
yourself.

I suspect the latter.

> He thinks that at least us "pure blooded Nordics" would
> understand his briljant theories. 

As I said, I suspect "pure blooded Nords" are less prone to go
pioneering than people who actually DID go pioneering.  One of the
things that helps people to label me a "kook" is the fact that I
just don't fit the mold of slave or Nazi.  Kooks say incomprehensible
things.  Nazi's say things that everyone comprehends all too well.

The only thing I think the silent ones don't understand is why I
don't identify as a Nazi.  That's because they have never experienced
a pioneering culture.  Hence, they DON'T understand my "brilliant
 theories" as you so flatteringly put it.

> But no, not a single one supporter, only
> angry and annoyed responses. 

Lots of secular Jews and "nords" like Kari who not only have Jewish
ancestry but are related via marriage to Jews -- or really don't want
to face a very nasty reality.

> No he concludes that the only reason is the "fact" that the nets are
> dominated by "the Jews". 

In terms of net traffice to population percentage ratios, Jews are at
the top for any group of their size or larger.
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an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, mikeq@freddy.cna.tek.com (Mike Quigley) says:
> 
> >>
> >>   >      "IDAHO SUPPORTS COLORADO'S AND CALIFORNIA'S CALL FOR
> >>   >       ENFORCEMENT OF THE TENTH AMENDMENT
> >>
> >  
>       Some of us realize what is happening, and where we are headed.
>       Why don't you?  Why don't you get these documents and start
>       working on your own state legislature, rather than letting the 
>       Federal gov't bankrupt us, or lead us into a civil war?

This is the first "within the system" approach actually makes some 
sense to me.  It has the best liklihood of devolving the Union to the 
States without genocide.  Still, some ethnostates will form and the 
dangers of deportion along ethnic lines will present the risks of 
genocide that accompanied the "relocation" programs of the Third 
Reich.  I think Americans are a lot less prone to such errors than
the Germans who chose to stay in the old world, but it really is a
problem with our bloodline that we must take responsibility for.  We 
must be vigilant in our focus on freedom, individualism, independence 
and the frontier -- our true heritage and destiny.

I really don't believe it is possible to salvage the Union -- not
even via the imposition of a "New World Order" type of tyranny.  
Even though mass media and government-induced "education" has damaged 
us profoundly, we are a giant that is coming to after being knocked
for a loop.  The question is will we indulge in revenge or will we
build walls and then get on with the business of freedom and frontiers?
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quirke_a@ix.wcc.govt.nz writes:
> jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> 
> >Really, we are NOT interested in having a "dialogue" on how to make 
> >a pluralistic society work better or what our grievances might be.  We 
> >are only interested in getting away from you.  It is quit simple and 
> >clear cut as a human rights issue.
> 
>    So why don't you then ?
> 
>    You keep whining "Da Joos won't let us, da joos won't let us", but you
> haven't provided any proof of this. What steps have you taken to peacefully
> secure an area of land for yourselves, and what happened to stop it ?

I don't particularly care about your perceptions, Tony.  I just want
some indication that "Da Joos" and their puppets, like you, respect human 
the human rights of the people whose lands they have occupied for the last
millenium or so.  

Is that too much to ask?

>    Your thesis has two major flaws, however. If there really is a group
> of people who wish to preserve their "Nordic" genes, then all they need
> do is breed to their own kind. Pure and simple. Your fantasies about
> genetic assimilation by "Jewish genes" can't happen if you control who
> you breed with.

I don't see "assmilation by 'Jewish genes'" as THE problem.  The
problem is more analogous to the way HIV invades a host immune system
and creates all sorts of secondary infections.  Secular Jews act NOT
as any of these secondary infections that are obviously killing society --
they simply act as immune suppressors which make it impossible for
my people to morally defend ourselves against destruction.  We are now
seeing indications that the HIV virus is turning around and pointing at
the secondary pathogens and screaming "There's the problem!  It's those
damn NIGGERS!" or hispanics or whatever.  

Wrong...

The problem is secular Jewery, their control of the media, academia,
neopagan revivals, etc. etc. acting as a control on moral perception
in the population they have occupied for over a thousand years -- creating
a morally and culturally disintigrating influence on that population.

>    The second flaw is that there *already* exist enclaves of peoples in
> America who preserve their cultures and bloodlines. Specifically the Amish
> and Mennonite religious groups.

With strong moral codes that also restrict them from exericising the
greatest strength of our genotype:  

Technical innovation.

Further, they are ultimately under Jewish hegemony since their indigenous
religion has been masked by Levantine religions.  All the denials to
the contrary, it is painfully obvious from all the geneology in the
biblical texts that Jews are essentially ancestral worshipers -- and
any pretense at "cosmopolitan egalitarianism" is genetic fraud.

I respect their right to their ancestral religion, but I will spare
myself their moral authority and instead look to my own ancestry.


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flax@Krille.update.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes:
> 
> [Rantings by jabowery deleted]
> 
> I must confess that I'm awed by your perseverance. Judging from the
> amount of excreta pouring out of you, you must have had your arse
> plugged for quite a while. 

How civil of you.
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quirke_a@ix.wcc.govt.nz writes:
> jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> 
> >Instead, we must separate cleanly and completely so
> >as to avoid further temptations toward genocide.
> 
>    You can do so quite easily, Jim. There are various countries in the world
> which are mildly cash starved at the moment. Offer them enough, and they'll
> sell you your own island. You won't need a very big one to support the small
> amount of people that share your views.
> 
>    What's that ? You don't *have* the money ? You're actually a pathetic
> loser trying to stir up seperatist feelings so that you can get *given*
> your own homeland, free ?
> 
>    Grow up.

Tony, I didn't say what you put in my mouth.

    What's that ? You don't *have* any reasonable arguments against giving
 our people the same rights to self-determination that all other people
 enjoy?  You're actually a pathetic puppet trying to stir up a mob feelings 
 so that you can avoid facing your own moral bankruptcy.
 
     Cut out the hypocriscy.
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
> >So few Jews wanted to brave the Atlantic ocean before 1776,
> 
> I realize you just make this crap up but the first synagogue opened in
> Boston around 1680. It's also probably worthwhile pointing out that,
> in a rare gap in history, jews weren't particularly harassed in the
> Protestant Reformations which drove a lot of settlers to America.
> Remember all those Pilgrims and Puritans and Quakers Jim?

Quite, Barry.  Not only that, but I recall the rather productive
business relationships my Quaker ancestors had with Jews in England 
during and subsequent to that time of persecution.  This is a relationship 
which, to some degree, carried over into the New World and was the basis 
for the earliest Jewish immigrants.  

My statement still stands.
-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: 14th, 16th, 17th amendmen
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mlockett@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Mark Lockett) writes:
... referring to the 17th amendment ...

> True it took away the direct role of state government in the federal
> government. But is that a problem?

Yes.  State sovereignty is a barrier against both federal tyrrany and
genocidal anarchy since it provides a natural "escape valve" for the
pressures of a pluralistic society gone awry.  

States are the natural representatives of the sovereignty of the 
people residing in those states once the electoral processes that
populate the House of Representatives have been coopted by central 
powers.  For example, the committee structure of the House places
such a premium on seniority that it becomes virtually impossible
to depose an incumbant representative even when he has been absorbed 
into the federal power structure.  Another example is the way mass
media's unconstitutional government-induced monopolies (see the
 Telecommunications Act of 1934) have become a propoganda tool of
the state far more powerful, sophisticated and subtle than any 
aparatus dreamed of by Goebels in the Third Reich, that essentially
render the popular vote inoperative.

Once the federal government has coopted the popular vote, the next
barrier to despotism is the state-elected Senate because the state
governments cannot be completely coopted by the same central 
mechanisms by which the popular vote can be coopted.  

The "zero-sum game" of powers between the federal and state governments
motivates the state governments to be vigilant against further 
centralization of government powers even in the event that the 
populus has been successfully conned at the national level.
-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: 14th, 16th, 17th amendmen
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mlockett@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Mark Lockett) writes:
... referring to the 17th amendment ...

> True it took away the direct role of state government in the federal
> government. But is that a problem?

Yes.  State sovereignty is a barrier against both federal tyrrany and
genocidal anarchy since it provides a natural "escape valve" for the
pressures of a pluralistic society gone awry.  

States are the natural representatives of the sovereignty of the 
people residing in those states once the electoral processes that
populate the House of Representatives have been coopted by central 
powers.  For example, the committee structure of the House places
such a premium on seniority that it becomes virtually impossible
to depose an incumbant representative even when he has been absorbed 
into the federal power structure.  Another example is the way mass
media's unconstitutional government-induced monopolies (see the
 Telecommunications Act of 1934) have become a propoganda tool of
the state far more powerful, sophisticated and subtle than any 
aparatus dreamed of by Goebels in the Third Reich, that essentially
render the popular vote inoperative.

Once the federal government has coopted the popular vote, the next
barrier to despotism is the state-elected Senate because the state
governments cannot be completely coopted by the same central 
mechanisms by which the popular vote can be coopted.  

The "zero-sum game" of powers between the federal and state governments
motivates the state governments to be vigilant against further 
centralization of government powers even in the event that the 
populus has been successfully conned at the national level.#! rnews 688
-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Clinton says "Kiss it!" (was: The Paula Jones Story)
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bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Svidrigailov) writes:
> 
>         seconded. Anyone looking for a real laugh should go check out jim
> Bowery (jabowery@netcom.com) in alt.revisionism.  He's a scream.

Hey "Brian".... or is it "Svidrigailov"?

Oh well.. whatever your name is:  Are you of Jewish heritage
-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Idaho Introduces Ultimatum to Feds
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thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> >This is the first "within the system" approach actually makes some 
> >sense to me.  It has the best liklihood of devolving the Union to the 
> >States without genocide.  
> 
> Of course, you'd be just as happy if all the Jews were dead, anyway 
> though, right, Jim?

Retract your libel.
-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Patriots and Nazis
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> From: rburns@netcom.com (Randall J. Burns)
> >_don't_ take down anyone else with you like
> >>your soul-mates hitler and goebbels did, just leave quietly on your
> >>own.
> >>
> >Where Mr. Dolan  did Mr. Bowery _ever_ say that the actions of Hitler
> >and Goebbels were morally correct?
> 
> Where did Mr Dolan say Mr Bowery said that?
> 
> He just pointed out that Bowery's ideas have a lot of overlap with
> these fellows' worst ideas, even if not entirely intentional nor
> identical.
> 
> I'd agree with that. I don't think Bowery is any kind of "nazi" per
> se, but I'd also say that he's formulated a political view that's
> roughly as noxious and does contain a lot of overlap.

The Third Reich's errors were in considering genocide and colonicalism
to be the destiny of the Germanic/Nordic peoples.  They were wrong.

They were essentially right about the fact that there was a "Jewish
 problem" along with a number of other problems based in population
genetics that have acted as parasitic drains on our people for 
centuries.

The diagnosis that the latter was the essential error and inevitably
leads to the former is, quite understandably, the one promoted by
the academics who placed a hammer-lock on the interpretation of
the second world war, given the heritage of those academics.

I am bound to neither the conflicts of interest of those academics 
nor to the errors of the Third Reich.

 
> >I think you are the one out to lunch Mr. Dolan.  Bowery isn't that
> >different in attitude from people your grandparents either were or 
> >had contact with. You might accuse him of being 60 years out of date-
> >but you are acting like the changes in American mores the last 60 years
> >or so are some kind of divine mandate.
> 
> Well, it may have been as close to a divine mandate as you'll ever see
> in your lifetime. Progress on social attitudes regarding race in the
> past 100 years will no doubt go down in history along with the end of
> feudalism, rule by law, and the rise of modern democracy.

The past decades of cultural determinism will be seen as one of the 
darkest moments in human history -- the one that brought the most 
suffering and created the greatest danger of global holocaust.

The record we are laying down here will survive any such holocaust
since it will be recorded in hundreds of digital media -- many quite
robust, such as WORM drives -- and future historians will have a
much better clue as to the real driving force behind cultural
determinism, the immune-suppression function it served for the
Jews during these decades, and the secondary effects of that
immune suppression.

-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Hoess -  "A True Pioneer"
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cave@rand.org (Jonathan Cave) writes:
> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> 
> [replying to Tony Quirke]
> 
> >Tony, I didn't say what you put in my mouth.
> 
> >    What's that ? You don't *have* any reasonable arguments against giving
> > our people the same rights to self-determination that all other people
> > enjoy?  You're actually a pathetic puppet trying to stir up a mob feelings 
> > so that you can avoid facing your own moral bankruptcy.
> 
> How did "all other people" get these rights, and where and how do they 
> exercise them?  If there is something unique about the way you (sorry, your 
> race) defines self-determination that prevents them from doing it the same way 
> the rest of us do, I see no reason why we should "give" you anything.  Earn 
> it, or take it, but stop asking us for it.

When something of mine has been taken from me, I will ask that it be given
back to me.  If it is not, then, yes, I will take it with force if need be.  
Self-determination is NOT contingent on how others exercise that 
self-determination -- otherwise it is not SELF determination.

> Anyway, you lot had your shot.  Not our fault if you lack the inner strength 
> to hang on to what you had and build something sustainable.  What's the 
> matter, Jim, couldn't your vaunted technical innovations pull you through?

Those technical innovations are most productive when applied to frontiers 
but the politiicization of technology, lead by the Manhattan-project 
culture, gradually ate into our base of innovation, leaving only a few
healthy sectors, such as electronics and now biotech -- neither very 
useful for frontiers.  When not put to those uses they tend to be used 
for genocide unless developed and weilded by a people of exceptional 
moral character, such as our people.  The fact that secular "Jews" choose
to take advantage of that good nature, taking it for granted, is the
real horror of our situation.
-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Clinton says "Kiss it!" (was: The Paula Jones Story)
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cave@rand.org (Jonathan Cave) writes:
> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> 
> >bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Svidrigailov) writes:
> >> 
> >>         seconded. Anyone looking for a real laugh should go check out jim
> >> Bowery (jabowery@netcom.com) in alt.revisionism.  He's a scream.
> 
> >Hey "Brian".... or is it "Svidrigailov"?
> 
> >Oh well.. whatever your name is:  Are you of Jewish heritage
> 
> Hey, Brian!  Well done!  You got Jim out from under his rock, tail up and 
> ready to fight!  Anyway, no need to answer the question - Jim's already 
> answered it.  Note the absence of a question mark.  In any case, after a 
> thousand years of secular Jewish occupation, everyone is of Jewish heritage, 
> right Jim?  Sorry, let me help you wipe that up...

Johnathan, are YOU of Jewish heritage?
-- 
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  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Idaho Introduces Ultimatum to Feds
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thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> >This is the first "within the system" approach actually makes some 
> >sense to me.  It has the best liklihood of devolving the Union to the 
> >States without genocide.  
> 
> Of course, you'd be just as happy if all the Jews were dead, anyway 
> though, right, Jim?

Retract your libel.
-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Patriots and Nazis
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> From: rburns@netcom.com (Randall J. Burns)
> >_don't_ take down anyone else with you like
> >>your soul-mates hitler and goebbels did, just leave quietly on your
> >>own.
> >>
> >Where Mr. Dolan  did Mr. Bowery _ever_ say that the actions of Hitler
> >and Goebbels were morally correct?
> 
> Where did Mr Dolan say Mr Bowery said that?
> 
> He just pointed out that Bowery's ideas have a lot of overlap with
> these fellows' worst ideas, even if not entirely intentional nor
> identical.
> 
> I'd agree with that. I don't think Bowery is any kind of "nazi" per
> se, but I'd also say that he's formulated a political view that's
> roughly as noxious and does contain a lot of overlap.

The Third Reich's errors were in considering genocide and colonicalism
to be the destiny of the Germanic/Nordic peoples.  They were wrong.

They were essentially right about the fact that there was a "Jewish
 problem" along with a number of other problems based in population
genetics that have acted as parasitic drains on our people for 
centuries.

The diagnosis that the latter was the essential error and inevitably
leads to the former is, quite understandably, the one promoted by
the academics who placed a hammer-lock on the interpretation of
the second world war, given the heritage of those academics.

I am bound to neither the conflicts of interest of those academics 
nor to the errors of the Third Reich.

 
> >I think you are the one out to lunch Mr. Dolan.  Bowery isn't that
> >different in attitude from people your grandparents either were or 
> >had contact with. You might accuse him of being 60 years out of date-
> >but you are acting like the changes in American mores the last 60 years
> >or so are some kind of divine mandate.
> 
> Well, it may have been as close to a divine mandate as you'll ever see
> in your lifetime. Progress on social attitudes regarding race in the
> past 100 years will no doubt go down in history along with the end of
> feudalism, rule by law, and the rise of modern democracy.

The past decades of cultural determinism will be seen as one of the 
darkest moments in human history -- the one that brought the most 
suffering and created the greatest danger of global holocaust.

The record we are laying down here will survive any such holocaust
since it will be recorded in hundreds of digital media -- many quite
robust, such as WORM drives -- and future historians will have a
much better clue as to the real driving force behind cultural
determinism, the immune-suppression function it served for the
Jews during these decades, and the secondary effects of that
immune suppression.

-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Idaho Introduces Ultimatum to Feds
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thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> >This is the first "within the system" approach actually makes some 
> >sense to me.  It has the best liklihood of devolving the Union to the 
> >States without genocide.  
> 
> Of course, you'd be just as happy if all the Jews were dead, anyway 
> though, right, Jim?

Retract your libel.
-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Hoess -  "A True Pioneer"
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References: <1994May07.110004.1696@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>, <2qs47t$t4u@golem.wcc.govt.nz>  
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cave@rand.org (Jonathan Cave) writes:
> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> 
> [replying to Tony Quirke]
> 
> >Tony, I didn't say what you put in my mouth.
> 
> >    What's that ? You don't *have* any reasonable arguments against giving
> > our people the same rights to self-determination that all other people
> > enjoy?  You're actually a pathetic puppet trying to stir up a mob feelings 
> > so that you can avoid facing your own moral bankruptcy.
> 
> How did "all other people" get these rights, and where and how do they 
> exercise them?  If there is something unique about the way you (sorry, your 
> race) defines self-determination that prevents them from doing it the same way 
> the rest of us do, I see no reason why we should "give" you anything.  Earn 
> it, or take it, but stop asking us for it.

When something of mine has been taken from me, I will ask that it be given
back to me.  If it is not, then, yes, I will take it with force if need be.  
Self-determination is NOT contingent on how others exercise that 
self-determination -- otherwise it is not SELF determination.

> Anyway, you lot had your shot.  Not our fault if you lack the inner strength 
> to hang on to what you had and build something sustainable.  What's the 
> matter, Jim, couldn't your vaunted technical innovations pull you through?

Those technical innovations are most productive when applied to frontiers 
but the politiicization of technology, lead by the Manhattan-project 
culture, gradually ate into our base of innovation, leaving only a few
healthy sectors, such as electronics and now biotech -- neither very 
useful for frontiers.  When not put to those uses they tend to be used 
for genocide unless developed and weilded by a people of exceptional 
moral character, such as our people.  The fact that secular "Jews" choose
to take advantage of that good nature, taking it for granted, is the
real horror of our situation.
-- 
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Patriots and Nazis
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> 
> From: rburns@netcom.com (Randall J. Burns)
> >_don't_ take down anyone else with you like
> >>your soul-mates hitler and goebbels did, just leave quietly on your
> >>own.
> >>
> >Where Mr. Dolan  did Mr. Bowery _ever_ say that the actions of Hitler
> >and Goebbels were morally correct?
> 
> Where did Mr Dolan say Mr Bowery said that?
> 
> He just pointed out that Bowery's ideas have a lot of overlap with
> these fellows' worst ideas, even if not entirely intentional nor
> identical.
> 
> I'd agree with that. I don't think Bowery is any kind of "nazi" per
> se, but I'd also say that he's formulated a political view that's
> roughly as noxious and does contain a lot of overlap.

The Third Reich's errors were in considering genocide and colonicalism
to be the destiny of the Germanic/Nordic peoples.  They were wrong.

They were essentially right about the fact that there was a "Jewish
 problem" along with a number of other problems based in population
genetics that have acted as parasitic drains on our people for 
centuries.

The diagnosis that the latter was the essential error and inevitably
leads to the former is, quite understandably, the one promoted by
the academics who placed a hammer-lock on the interpretation of
the second world war, given the heritage of those academics.

I am bound to neither the conflicts of interest of those academics 
nor to the errors of the Third Reich.

 
> >I think you are the one out to lunch Mr. Dolan.  Bowery isn't that
> >different in attitude from people your grandparents either were or 
> >had contact with. You might accuse him of being 60 years out of date-
> >but you are acting like the changes in American mores the last 60 years
> >or so are some kind of divine mandate.
> 
> Well, it may have been as close to a divine mandate as you'll ever see
> in your lifetime. Progress on social attitudes regarding race in the
> past 100 years will no doubt go down in history along with the end of
> feudalism, rule by law, and the rise of modern democracy.

The past decades of cultural determinism will be seen as one of the 
darkest moments in human history -- the one that brought the most 
suffering and created the greatest danger of global holocaust.

The record we are laying down here will survive any such holocaust
since it will be recorded in hundreds of digital media -- many quite
robust, such as WORM drives -- and future historians will have a
much better clue as to the real driving force behind cultural
determinism, the immune-suppression function it served for the
Jews during these decades, and the secondary effects of that
immune suppression.

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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Hoess -  "A True Pioneer"
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cave@rand.org (Jonathan Cave) writes:
> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> 
> [replying to Tony Quirke]
> 
> >Tony, I didn't say what you put in my mouth.
> 
> >    What's that ? You don't *have* any reasonable arguments against giving
> > our people the same rights to self-determination that all other people
> > enjoy?  You're actually a pathetic puppet trying to stir up a mob feelings 
> > so that you can avoid facing your own moral bankruptcy.
> 
> How did "all other people" get these rights, and where and how do they 
> exercise them?  If there is something unique about the way you (sorry, your 
> race) defines self-determination that prevents them from doing it the same way 
> the rest of us do, I see no reason why we should "give" you anything.  Earn 
> it, or take it, but stop asking us for it.

When something of mine has been taken from me, I will ask that it be given
back to me.  If it is not, then, yes, I will take it with force if need be.  
Self-determination is NOT contingent on how others exercise that 
self-determination -- otherwise it is not SELF determination.

> Anyway, you lot had your shot.  Not our fault if you lack the inner strength 
> to hang on to what you had and build something sustainable.  What's the 
> matter, Jim, couldn't your vaunted technical innovations pull you through?

Those technical innovations are most productive when applied to frontiers 
but the politiicization of technology, lead by the Manhattan-project 
culture, gradually ate into our base of innovation, leaving only a few
healthy sectors, such as electronics and now biotech -- neither very 
useful for frontiers.  When not put to those uses they tend to be used 
for genocide unless developed and weilded by a people of exceptional 
moral character, such as our people.  The fact that secular "Jews" choose
to take advantage of that good nature, taking it for granted, is the
real horror of our situation.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Idaho Introduces Ultimatum to Feds
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thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> >thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> >> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> >> >This is the first "within the system" approach actually makes some 
> >> >sense to me.  It has the best liklihood of devolving the Union to the 
> >> >States without genocide.  
> >> 
> >> Of course, you'd be just as happy if all the Jews were dead, anyway 
> >> though, right, Jim?
> >
> >Retract your libel.
> 
> It's a "Yes/No" question, Jim.  I don't see any libel.

That's because you are a "lawyer".  A jury would see it differently.

For the "lawyers" out there, the answer is, of course "No."

Now retract your libel.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Patriots and Nazis
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krolczyk@MCS.COM (Chris Krolczyk) writes:
> Jim Bowery (jabowery@netcom.com) wrote:
> 
> : The Third Reich's errors were in considering genocide and colonicalism
> : to be the destiny of the Germanic/Nordic peoples.  They were wrong.
> 
> : They were essentially right about the fact that there was a "Jewish
> :  problem" along with a number of other problems based in population
> : genetics that have acted as parasitic drains on our people for 
> : centuries.
> 
> Okay, Jim, let me get this straight: what you seem to be saying is that the
> Nazis weren't wrong for scapegoating a minority;

Define "scapegoating" to not include persecution of that minority and I'll
agree -- however you can't do that can you?  So why did you smear my words
with that statement?

> what they did wrong, in 
> fact, was in dealing with them in a way that was a little too bloody even
> for a outspoken "political geneticist" like you. This seems like particularly
> odious reasoning on your part: 

"A 'little' too bloody"?  Odious reasoning?  Since when is drawing a
distinction between "motive" for crime and "justification" for crime
"odious reasoning"?

Just more reasons for people like me to get into a situation where we don't 
have to interact with people like you.

> : The diagnosis that the latter was the essential error and inevitably
> : leads to the former is, quite understandably, the one promoted by
> : the academics who placed a hammer-lock on the interpretation of
> : the second world war, given the heritage of those academics.
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> I believe you've made the claim that you're not an anti-semite, 

Oh where was that, Chris?  How can one say anything negative about any aspect
of Jewish culture without qualifying for the label "antisemite"?  I don't
think it is possible (unless one is a self-professed "Jew"), is it?


> : The past decades of cultural determinism will be seen as one of the 
> : darkest moments in human history -- the one that brought the most 
> : suffering and created the greatest danger of global holocaust.
> 
> Explain what you mean by "cultural determinism". None of us are mindreaders,
> at last look.

You've heard of "genetic determinism" -- well "cultural determinism" is
the only real "determinism" that has been preached for the last several
decades.  All is tabula rasa -- all is culture -- all is learned -- even
gender.  Look up the seminal authoris on feminism for a brief history
this particular form of "odious reasoning" that still dominates our
culture today.

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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Patriots and Nazis
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golux@mcs.com (The only Golux in the World, and not a mere Device) writes:
> In article , rburns@netcom.com (Randall J.
> Burns) wrote:
> [In response to Barry Shein]
> > Bowery has repeatedly stated that
> > he finds the behavior of Hitler et al to be morally repugnant albeit
> > understandable. Mr. Dolan is putting words in his mouth-attempting to
> > blur the distinctions between Bowery and Hitler. This IMHO is a form of
> > sophistry and fraud.
> 
> In point of fact, while I can recall Bowery saying that Nazi-style
> attempted genocide is a natural (and apparently justifiable) result of
> genetic conflict between Jews and "his people,"

Retract your libel.

> and while I can recall him
> saying that the Nazis' attempted genocide was an "error," I have no memory
> of him ever saying that the Nazis' behavior was in any way "morally
> repugnant."  

Your memory is failing you or you haven't read a good number of my messages.
Or perhaps you simply have a reckless disregard for the truth and wish
to join the riot of damaging falsehoods being leveled at me.

> Perhaps you have some references you could post, or perhaps
> Bowery does, or perhaps Bowery will just state for the record that he finds
> the Nazi policies that included attempted genocide to be morally repugnant.

Perhaps you could become a bit clearer in your requirement -- do you require
the precise words "morally repugnant" to be used?  What would be acceptable?
I don't particlarly feel like spending a lot of time coming up with statements
like "genocide is immoral" only to have you say "See!!  He didn't say it was
 REPUGNANTLY immoral!!!"  I consider the murder of innocent people to be
repugnantly immoral.  I consider opposing our self-determination because you
disagree with our beliefs and/or because we refuse to explain them to your 
satisfaction to be repugnantly immoral.

Let us have our sovereignty.  Even though we may be repugnant to you
in our believes and theories you have no right to demand any thing
from us in exchange for our right to self-determination.  That right
is ours, you can only oppress us by acting against it.

Territory may cost money and you have every right to demand compensation
before turning over territory and you have the right to turn over no land
at all if that is what suits your political system.

But if we obtain territory, and choose to renounce our citizenship
in the United States and take up residence in our own nation with
our own entrance requirements and Constitution, all at our own
expense, for you to move against us in any way -- no matter how 
indirect or covert -- would be a violation of our basic human rights.

What is the proper response to a powerful nation that oppresses the
basic human rights of a minority?
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> >I'm unaware of any really scientific analysis of these issues-but I
> >would say that some of these views are _very_ widely held in conservative 
> >rural communities-though much more mixed with violence, crudeness of 
> >language, and purely emotional  reactions than what I've seen Bowery exhibit.
> 
> Perhaps those communities need to change.

Yes, they need to get out of your political system, Barry.

Time for us to separate.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Bowery: I'll Bet Jew $1 Million
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Ted Frank (thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu) wrote:
: Aryan good looks you so seem to admire... Are secular Jews just people
: with dark hair?  You going to go around shooting plastic surgeons and
: hairdressers like Martin Sullivan when you finally snap?)

Calm down, Ted.  When did I say anything about "Aryan good looks" or
"Aryan" anything except to say that "Aryans" AREN'T a people I
identify with?  I never even said anything about "Germanic" or
"Nordic" good looks.  Indeed, I find Jewish women prominent among
the women whose beauty I find most striking.  I just, within the
last hour, complimented a half mexican half greek woman on her
beauty.  Black hair, olive complextion, brown eyes -- beautiful.

Hell, I'm sure you're just a loveable teddy-bear of a guy once
someone gets to know you well enough... that's a privilege I am
afraid I will have to miss in this lifetime, however.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: 14th, 16th, 17th amendmen
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(Dan) writes:
> In article , jabowery@netcom.com (Jim
> Bowery) wrote:
> 
> > Yes.  State sovereignty is a barrier against both federal tyrrany and
> > genocidal anarchy since it provides a natural "escape valve" for the
> > pressures of a pluralistic society gone awry.  
> 
> NO!!! The federal government is a barrier against the tyranny of the
> states!
> I wouldn't ever trust state lawmakers, they make the posse in Washington
> look like boy scouts!

Dan, are all these states going to conspire together to produce an 
identical failure-mode or do you think, perhaps, there might be a
state or two that would create an environment to your liking if 
given the freedom to pursue the ideals of its residents?  Wouldn't
it be nice to have a CHOICE?
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: 10th Amendment Resolution Reiteration. A Bill in WA State.
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lparker@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (Lloyd R. Parker) writes:
> Roger Adams (rogera@uiuc.edu) wrote:
> : In article <2r0940$9tn@crl.crl.com> es@crl.com (Eric Smith) writes:
> : All I want is for the Federal Govt to do what the founders of this country 
> : wanted them to do and that was to provide a national defense and stay the 
> : hell out of the states rights to govern themselves.  
> 
> (1) The founders also wanted it to "provide for the general
> welfare."

I'm stumped.

How could our founders, who were experienced in the perversion of
central governments like few others in history, have made such a
collossal blunder as to include such a sweeping provision as
"provide for the general welfare" in the description of the federal
government's powers?  

EVERYWHERE else in the Constitution, they are virtually paranoid about
their words being twisted to suit an expanded set of federal powers,
yet here we have, right in the beginning, a phrase that basically 
gives the farm away to people like Lloyd R. Parker.

Puzzling...
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Bowery: I'll Bet Jew $1 Million
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thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> >Ted Frank (thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu) wrote:
> >: Aryan good looks you so seem to admire... Are secular Jews just people
> >: with dark hair?  You going to go around shooting plastic surgeons and
> >: hairdressers like Martin Sullivan when you finally snap?)
> >
> >Calm down, Ted.  When did I say anything about "Aryan good looks" or
> >"Aryan" anything except to say that "Aryans" AREN'T a people I
> >identify with?  I never even said anything about "Germanic" or
> >"Nordic" good looks.  
> 
> Oh, in fact, you did, when you complained about a Hollywood Jewish 
> conspiracy who always made sure the blonde ended up with a Semitic-
> looking fellow.

"Hollywood Jewish conspiracy" are your words.  "Semitic-looking fellow"
are also your words.  These words distort what I was saying.

But then, you ARE a lawyer aren't you?
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Patriots and Nazis
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golux@mcs.com (The only Golux in the World, and not a mere Device) writes:
> In article , jabowery@netcom.com (Jim
> Bowery) wrote:
> 
> > golux@mcs.com (The only Golux in the World, and not a mere Device) writes:
> > > In article , rburns@netcom.com (Randall J.
> > > Burns) wrote:
> > > [In response to Barry Shein]
> > > > Bowery has repeatedly stated that
> > > > he finds the behavior of Hitler et al to be morally repugnant albeit
> > > > understandable. Mr. Dolan is putting words in his mouth-attempting to
> > > > blur the distinctions between Bowery and Hitler. This IMHO is a form of
> > > > sophistry and fraud.
> > > 
> > > In point of fact, while I can recall Bowery saying that Nazi-style
> > > attempted genocide is a natural (and apparently justifiable) result of
> > > genetic conflict between Jews and "his people,"
> > 
> > Retract your libel.
> 
> Jim, Jim, Jim...you wave that "libel" flag around too much, people won't
> think you're serious about it....  Lawyers and juries alike would find no
> libel in the above statement.  I commented from memory and opinion.  If you
> don't like it, too bad, but don't wave your "libel" banner around and
> expect anybody to take you seriously.
> 
> We can resolve this once and for all with a simple question: Do you believe
> that genocide (or attempted genocide) of the sort attempted by the Nazis is
> a natural, justifiable, inevitable or otherwise to-be-expected result of
> the type of genetic conflict you perceive between Jews and your Nordic
> genotype? 

Bait and switch tactics combined with a smearing of the issues that I already
addressed in my prior response...  but I'll play along with your sophistry
just for the record:

"natural"	yes
"justifiable"	no
"inevitable"	no

You still haven't answered my question:

What exactly would you consider sufficient evidence that I consider genocide
to be "morally repugnant"?  How many times must I have said something to
that effect?  What percentage of all my posts that mention genocide must
also mention its morality?  What percentage of all my posts that mention
separatism must mention genocide?  What percentage of all my posts that
mention a "Jewish problem" must mention nongenocidal separatism?

> Good.  Does your definition of "innocent people" include the Jews the Nazis
> attempted to exterminate?  The Rom?  The mentally defective?  Those deemed
> otherwise undesirable by the Third Reich?

Yes.

> unlikely.  However, as my previous posts have stated, I have done nothing,
> and continue to do nothing, to impede your ability to wander off into the
> wilderness and form your utopian Nordic purebred community.  I demand
> nothing, except that if you seek respect for your right to
> self-determination, you must be prepared to respect that right in all
> others.

Then we are in agreement.

> That really depends on where the land is, who it belonged to before you
> "obtained" it, and how you obtained it.  Remember, you only get to be a
> sovereign nation if the international community accepts you as such.  You
> may not think it's fair, but that's the way it works, and that's the way it
> has worked since the concept of international law came into being.

OK, so there are no accepted norms for establishment of sovereignty other
than the general opinion of "the international community" -- and now we
are getting down to brass-tacks on why I insist on agreement from secular
Jews on these principles.  Listen to NPR sometime... anytime...

What, for example, would be your minimum requirements on a transaction
with Russia by a genetic separatist corporate entity that involved
the transfer of sovereignty over some land in Siberia to that
corporate entity?

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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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golux@mcs.com (The only Golux in the World, and not a mere Device) writes:
> In article , jabowery@netcom.com (Jim
> Bowery) wrote:
> 
> > bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> > > >I'm unaware of any really scientific analysis of these issues-but I
> > > >would say that some of these views are _very_ widely held in conservative 
> > > >rural communities-though much more mixed with violence, crudeness of 
> > > >language, and purely emotional  reactions than what I've seen Bowery exhibit.
> > > 
> > > Perhaps those communities need to change.
> > 
> > Yes, they need to get out of your political system, Barry.
> > 
> > Time for us to separate.
> 
> Let me get this straight.  You want to take bigoted rednecks and violent
> Nazi skinheads into your Nordic Wonderland too?
> 
> Cool.  Go for it.  Take 'em away.  Just don't try to send 'em back when
> they start breaking things.  All sales are final.

We are reaching some common ground.

Of course it is perfectly reasonable for the United States to protect its
own boarders from immigrants.  Once all these "bigoted redneck violent Nazi 
 skinhead racist sexist antisemitic genocidal psychopathic serial killer wife
 beating gullible ya hoo bible thumping child molester incestuous latent 
homosexual hillbilly pig-fuckers", as your kindred are compelled to portray 
my kindred via your mass media morality plays, have left and renounced 
citizenship, they, of course, could be excluded from reentry to the United 
States.

It is only reasonable that everyone respect everyone else's right to self-
determination.  When the "experiment" fails, it isn't reasonable to expect 
that the boarders will magically open up to accept the damaged goods.

This works both ways.

Fair enough?
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Patriots and Nazis
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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> that the Jews have been "parasitic drains" on your "people", that the
> Nazis were basically right about the Jews, and that the jews have
> propagated a massive and conspiratorial

Wrong... no conspiracy... just the statistics of population genetics
and circumstances creating pervasive incentives and conflicts of interest...

> lie regarding the second world
> war via a "hammerlock" hold on academia (something they were virtually
> excluded from until the 1960's I'll remind you) 

Oh yeah, Oppenheimer and company weren't American secular jewish academics 
or if they were they weren't allowed any influential positions because of
all the pre 1960's antisemitic paranoia about their loyalty the the US as 
opposed to the "international community"...

Hell, they might have even betrayed some atomic bomb secrets in the
interests of their internationalist philosophies!  Ha Ha.. Ho Ho.. What
a bunch of yahoos those Birchers were, eh?  McCarthy was probably a child
molester too...Boy, am I glad the House Unamerican Activities Committee
was debunked and we put an end to all that xenophobic hate mongering!  It 
must have been the hand of God.

Things have gotten SO much better since the 1960's...  ;-)
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  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.

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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Idaho Introduces Ultimatum to Feds
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bakken@CS.Arizona.EDU (Dave Bakken) writes:
> In article ,
> The only Golux in the World, and not a mere Device  wrote:
> 
> >However, in order to be libel, the statement would have to be false and
> >defamatory.  Since Bowery has repeatedly expressed his disdain for Jews and
> >analogized Jews to parasites and the AIDS virus, it is not unreasonable to
> >claim that he would be pleased if all the Jews were dead.
> 
> I would like to point out that I don't read most articles in t.p.g.,
> and an unfamiliar with any of the participants in this question.
> I meant to clarify the air about libel versus slander, not comment
> on whether libel had indeed taken place.  If indeed his views are as
> you say then said statement is not libel, at least not in my book
> and probably not in the opinion of your average jury.

And, of course, like the rest of the libel leveled at me, this out of
context, distorted and otherwise adverse slant on my statement "makes 
the case" in the sense of an advocacy system, that if, magically,
all Jews were suddenly dead that I would be a happier man.  It is true 
I might find a visceral sense of temporary "happiness" in the same sense 
that any immoral act of revenge might make the perpetrator "happy" in the 
short-term.  In the heat of battle, or under the yoke of slavery, one's 
feelings aren't necessarily one's best guide which is why we evolved brain 
structures like the neocortex to supply moral and intellectual guidance to 
our more primitive structures involved in "feelings."  It's tragic there 
aren't more secular Jews whose neocortical moral controls on their 
primitive impulses are highly evolved enough to prevent the abuses that 
have created our current crisis.

The fact of the matter is that the context of my statements has been within 
the presentation of the idea of genetic separatism.  I have used a number of 
OTHER metaphors which, if taken in context and in their totality, portray a 
picture which is belies the above libel.

For example, I've used the metaphor of the feral cats introduced to New 
Zealand by white settlers and the Africanized Bee introduced to the new 
world as metaphors for what happens when genetic mixing goes awry, as it 
did with the Roman occupation of the Levant and Egypt followed by the diaspora.  
The flightless kiwi in New Zealand might very well be "happier" if all cats 
in the universe were to suddenly die or disappear.  While my detractors
would like to portray me as little more than an "insect boy", as one put it,
or any of a number of other primitive creatures without a neocortex, the
fact of the matter is that I understand that just as there is nothing 
inherently evil about cats or African bees, there is nothing inherently
evil about Jews.  They, like any people, add to the richness of the world 
by their mere existence.  Even the AIDS virus is suspected to have coevolved 
with a simian species in which it is not pathogenic -- filling its natural
niche in its indigenous ecosystem -- and it only became pathogenic when 
introduced to humans.

Yes, I want to separate myself from a society in which I must interact
politically with secular Jews and, until they figure out how to control their
secular off-shoots, religious Jews as well.  I would be happier if that
didn't mean I had to leave the country that my ancestors founded and start
over again against international opinion and the elements in an inhospitable
land that no one else wants.  These are no minor inconveniences.  Yet they
do not overcome my moral guards against indulgence in genocidal revenge.

I'll leave those sorts of immoral indulgences to the middle east.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Patriots and Nazis
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krolczyk@MCS.COM (Chris Krolczyk) writes:
> : You've heard of "genetic determinism" -- well "cultural determinism" is
> : the only real "determinism" that has been preached for the last several
> : decades.  All is tabula rasa -- all is culture -- all is learned -- even
> : gender.  Look up the seminal authoris on feminism for a brief history
> : this particular form of "odious reasoning" that still dominates our
> : culture today.
> 
> I don't have to. Apparently, all is nature to you, 

Typical of cultural determinist propoganda,any talk of genetic influence 
is portrayed as "genetic determinism."

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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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golux@mcs.com (The only Golux in the World, and not a mere Device) writes:
> In article , Peter Skaliks  wrote:
> 
> > While I have no problem with racial or ethnic mixing, since that is up to 
> > the pair of people involved, I find the concept of ethnic homogeneity as 
> > an evil to be eliminated at all costs a bit silly. If a country such as
> > Japan, which is essentially ethnically homogeneous wishes to remain that 
> > way, that should be their right. It *is* a sovereign state and we all pay 
> > lip service to the idea of national self-determination. There is no 
> > reason that all societies have to emulate the American experience of a 
> > heterogeneous population.
> 
> Um...in my experience, the vast majority of the noise and ardor on this
> particular issue is generated by and among those who believe that ethnic
> HETEROGENEITY (occasionally refered to as "mongrelization," among other
> things) is the evil to be eliminated. 

Well, these people make it very easy for you to maintain the entire world
in a state where sovereign genetic separatism is an impossible goal for 
people of northern european descent, do they not?

Hitler, that half-breed secular Jew who destroyed the pre-existing political
legitimacy of genetic separatism in the US as well as Europe, would be proud.

The fact of the matter is, these people are left with no options but Naziism
after secular Jewery gets through programming the culture...  they fall right
into your trap, don't they?
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pbrown@triplerock.Berkeley.EDU (Paul Brown) writes:
> 
>   And ARE YOU OF JEWISH HERITAGE??

Could be since the name "Bowery" cropped up frequently in the
Dutch East India company personnel and there were a lot of
Sephardic Jews involved with the Dutch East India company.
Maybe one of my ancestors married the boss's daughter or
something.  Who knows?

Probably not, though.

How about you?
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jld@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (J. L. David) writes:
> In article , jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> > lparker@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (Lloyd R. Parker) writes:
> > > Roger Adams (rogera@uiuc.edu) wrote:
> > > : In article <2r0940$9tn@crl.crl.com> es@crl.com (Eric Smith) writes:
> > > : All I want is for the Federal Govt to do what the founders of this country 
> > > : wanted them to do and that was to provide a national defense and stay the 
> > > : hell out of the states rights to govern themselves.  
> > > 
> > > (1) The founders also wanted it to "provide for the general
> > > welfare."
> > 
> > I'm stumped.
> > 
> You should be.  
> 
> > How could our founders, who were experienced in the perversion of
> > central governments like few others in history, have made such a
> > collossal blunder as to include such a sweeping provision as
> > "provide for the general welfare" in the description of the federal
> > government's powers?  
> > 
> It doesn't.  It says in the preamble of the Constitution that the
> Constitution (and therefore the Federal Government) was established
> "in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure
> domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the
> general welfare, and secure the blessing of liberty to ourselves
> and on out posterity..."

Thanks for correcting me on that Mr. David.  I guess I fell victim
to the big lie theory there.  I had heard this stuff about "the 
 general welfare" bantied about occasionally in contexts that seemed
to mask totalitarian agendae, but until Parker came out and actually
fabricated the words out of whole-cloth, I hadn't caught the weirdness
of the culturally pervasive implicit lie that he explicitly stated.

*whew*
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Subject: Re: Idaho Introduces Ultimatum to Feds
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thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> In article <1994May17.215124.13669@hobbes.kzoo.edu> k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie R. McCarthy) writes:
> >In other words, [Bowery] really would like to see all the Jews dead, 

The libel never stops.
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thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> His conscience, however, doesn't seem to go so far as to stop him from
> spouting hate-filled lies that might encourage others to wipe out Jews.

Typically, our civil liberties are to be sacrificed for the emotional
convenience of the secular Jew.
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harry@tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com (Harry Katz) writes:
> This is truly a case where liberal social tinkering has adverse effects
> on a minority trying to do nothing more than live in peace, and I
> personally would contribute what I could afford to any movement
> dedicated to changing this situation.
> 
> To bring this back to the original subject under discussion, this seems
> like the kind of situation that Mr. Bowery would characterize as the
> fault of "secular Jews" and/or their "puppets" and "extended
> phenotypes."  As a "secular Jew" I resent being lumped together with
> people whose ideas I do not share and whose actions I do not approve.

As with any generalization, it is statistical.  We live and die
by statistics -- that is to say, we live and die by the prejudices
we hold for there ultimately can be no clear distinction drawn
between prejudice and wisdom, be it cultural or instinctive.

To the extent that your actions follow the above words, I cannot be
morally condemn you, let alone convict you of any crime beyond a 
reasonable doubt.  However, when it comes to my own survival, the 
burden of proof isn't on me to demonstrate to anyone else that
you, personally, are a statistical threat or that it is simply too 
costly to refine my wisdom so that I could more accurately
gauge your positive value to me.  These are economic decisions that
I must make on my own behalf.  I live with the consequences of
my prejudice and wisdom, that which they deny me as well as their
protections.  

I sense that you understand the importance of such privacy.

> The larger issue, however, is how best to fix this and other similar
> situations, and how best to prevent such situations in the future.  In
> approaching any problem with a view toward a solution, it is necessary
> to isolate the causes.  If the causes are misinterpreted, the solutions
> are not likely to work.  By turning issues such as this from social
> issues to racial issues, Mr. Bowery fails to identify the true
> underlying causes and therefore fails to come up with an effective
> solution.

We all live with the consequences of our errors as well as our insights.
Left to its own devices, error will die out just as insight will 
flourish.

> Nevertheless, should Mr. Bowery succeed in inspiring a movement to
> implement his separatist "solution" I would be willing to contribute
> what I could afford toward its realization.  In spite of being a
> "secular Jew" that is the most I could do to support his cause.

I apologize to Mr. Katz for any hostility I may have sent his way 
as a consequence of his heritage or his religious status.  In the 
hypothetical situation where I had inspired such a movement, although
I might be forced to decline for ethical reasons, I would return the 
sentiment represented by such an offer of support.
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Subject: Judaeo-Christian Love vs Heathen Evil
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an59142@anon.penet.fi (Tom Alter) writes:
> 
> I seem to have been misunderstood when I spoke about the Lord Jesus. The lord
> exists for every sinner, who has seen the folly of his ways, and is sincerely
> repentant. To this extent, anyone is welcome in the kingdom of God be he/she
> white , black oriental or anything else, and of whatever "sexual
> orientation." 

> Come on; let us abjure racism. Let us regard every man and woman as our equal,

Raud the Strong was a land owner in Norway who was put to death by Olaf
Tryggvason for his loyalty to Asatru (the preJudeaoChristian Norse religion)
by having a snake forced down his throat.  His lands were, of course,
confiscated in the name of the king and his monks.

Continuing the "conversion" of northern europe, Christ's servant, Olaf, 
tortured Eyvind Kinnrifi to death by placing a bowl of red-hot embers
on his stomach until his body burst open.  Eyvid's crime was steadfast
loyalty to the old Gods.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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cave@rand.org (Jonathan Cave) writes:
> just how much "Jewish blood" is required to make a person a 
> "secular Jew?" 

The same amount that is required to make one a hereditary Jew.

> A concensus of sorts seems to be emerging from Bowery and his defenders
> that secular Judaism is incredibly dominant while nordicity is very recessive.

While genetic dominance plays a significant role in all hybridization
it is only one facet of a multifaceted ecological phenomenon.
 
> Not only does the secular Jewish taint spread thoughout infected societies, 
> but those pesky political genes somehow manage to insinutate themselves into 
> every gamete: diploid once, diploid forever.  I guess they must include some 
> transferase or something to write themselves over existing nordic code.
> 
> :-)


The mechanism of population genetic homeostasis is inferred from the fact of 
population phenotypic homeostasis through history.

If you want information on the mechanisms of population genetic homeostasis
or some sort of detailed academic paper on the history of population 
phenotypics and their sociobiological implications in Western history,
just get the portion of my people's funding that has gone to the University 
of Chicago's biology and sociology departments since 1940, send it to
me in a grant and I'll see to it that it is invested in the appropriate
nonprofit research institutes.

Failing that, I will prefer to expend my energies attempting to remove
the fruits of my creative energies from an economy in which they can
be used for the political agendae of the University of Chicago.

:-)
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  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: Americas Problems!
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ingram@cs.duke.edu (Defender of the Faith) writes:
> In article 5fh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll) writes:
> >
> >
> >So what was it that turned a nation of die-hard, do-it-yourself colonists
> >into the collection of jelly rolls we have today? Was it TV? Earl Warren?
> >The Bavarian Illuminati? Any ideas?
> 
> I dont know, but I sure know who does!
> 
> Jim, have you taken off for the genetically pure underground
> martian pioneer colonies yet? you may have another volunteer...

Dear Robert,

If you REALLY want, I'm sure a bunch of us could be convinced to stick
around.  In fact, setting up death camps might be easier and just about
as much fun as flying around in Outter Space ...  Guys like you are 
begging for it aren't you?  Well, to each his own...

By the way...

I'll tell you all about my genetically pure underground martian pioneer 
space colonies and whether I've taken off to them yet when you tell me 
about whether the crack dealer that your significant other needs to boff 
so she can cum has gotten her preggers yet.  I know you two have been
trying for a baby.  (BTW:  How did her HIV status turn out last time you 
two checked?)
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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cave@rand.org (Jonathan Cave) writes:
> just how much "Jewish blood" is required to make a person a 
> "secular Jew?" 

The same amount that is required to make one a hereditary Jew.

> A concensus of sorts seems to be emerging from Bowery and his defenders
> that secular Judaism is incredibly dominant while nordicity is very recessive.

While genetic dominance plays a significant role in all hybridization
it is only one facet of a multifaceted ecological phenomenon.
 
> Not only does the secular Jewish taint spread thoughout infected societies, 
> but those pesky political genes somehow manage to insinutate themselves into 
> every gamete: diploid once, diploid forever.  I guess they must include some 
> transferase or something to write themselves over existing nordic code.
> 
> :-)


The mechanism of population genetic homeostasis is inferred from the fact of 
population phenotypic homeostasis through history.

If you want information on the mechanisms of population genetic homeostasis
or some sort of detailed academic paper on the history of population 
phenotypics and their sociobiological implications in Western history,
just get the portion of my people's funding that has gone to the University 
of Chicago's biology and sociology departments since 1940, send it to
me in a grant and I'll see to it that it is invested in the appropriate
nonprofit research institutes.

Failing that, I will prefer to expend my energies attempting to remove
the fruits of my creative energies from an economy in which they can
be used for the political agendae of the University of Chicago.

:-)
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The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.

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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: 10th Amendment Resolution Reiteration. A Bill in WA State.
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tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
> J. L. David  wrote:
> >> > (1) The founders also wanted it to "provide for the general
> >> > welfare."
> >> 
> >> I'm stumped.
> >> 
> >You should be.  
> ...
> >thing.  NOWHERE does the constitution state what Mr. Parker claims.
> 
> Article I, Section 8: "The Congress shall have power
>    To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the
> debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of
> the United States..."

OK, so my question still stands.  With the exception of the
European banking puppet, Hamilton, who was subsequently and quite
deservedly shot, what were the rest of our founders thinking
when they queered the people's sovereignty with the "naked
 power organ" of government?

Who put that phrase in there and what was their real agenda?
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: 16th Amendment Ratification (Was: 10th Amendment Resolution ... )
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tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
> In article ,   wrote:
> >In article  bagley@hc.ti.com (Ross Bagley) writes:
> >>They got duped into it.  Take a look.  State voting records indicate that
> >>two states actually ratified the 16th amendment, but everyone kinda 
> >>assumes that the 34 named by congress actually completed the process.
> >>
> >>Wrong.  The national (and some state) government has been duping the
> >>American people for going on 82 years now, and just recently, the 
> >>government got bold enough to do it out in the open (gun ban).
> >>
> >
> >Sources?  I'd like to be able to back up this assertion.
> 
> It sounds like someone has garbled something.  The usual claim is that
> the 16th Amendment fell short of ratification by some small number of
> states (I've heard two), not that it was only ratified by two.

There are various standards for passage that people adopt and depending
on the standard one adopts, the number of states that ratified the 16th 
amendment is anywhere from 0 to beyond 38.

This is one reason judicial review is warranted in this case.

> The best anyone has been able to do along these lines is to document
> *minor* differences in the wording and punctuation among the resolutions
> passed in the various ratifying states.

If one adopts the "wording, spelling and punctuation" standard, the number 
of states ratifying is far lower than the ratification number.  But there
is good reason to ignore the "wording, spelling and punctuation" standard
as it is typically put forth in arguments by tax protesters.

> The one case I've seen where
> someone tried to argue this as a defense to tax evasion didn't work.
> They called in the authors of the book that documents the differences,
> and the court basically said that that is all very interesting, but so
> what?  There was no support for the proposition that an amendment has
> to be passed in exactly the same wording and punctuation by all the
> ratifying states to be valid.

This is very misleading.  The courts, when confronted by this case,
became very squirley in their rulings.  As with secular Jewish Judge 
BLUMENFELD, they would argue that they Sec. Knox's ratification was 
"nonjusticable" meaning they didn't have to hear arguments that Sec. 
Knox's decision was invalid -- then they would turn around and argue 
something like "and anyway, the only thing wrong with the ratification 
process was formal mismatches like punctuation errors that had no 
bearing on the essence of the process."

Well, this latter claim is a bald-faced lie since Benson and his lawyer
had several states where one or more of the houses failed to ratify by
the required 2/3's and they even had a state or two where the amendment
was voted down by one chamber.  When confronted with this lie, of course,
they could always retreat to secular Jew Judge BLUMENFELD's argument
that it wasn't a violation of separation of powers to give Sec. Knox all
this authority, but it WOULD be a violation of separation of powers for 
the courts to review Knox's adherence to the authorizing legislation.

More squirliness.
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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You guys are so happy to "get Bowery to admit he
 really wants to commit genocide" but you forget
one thing about my statement -- I am pointing out
a behavior pattern (ridicule/prevent attempts to 
 get away from Jews and then taunt the people 
 who want to get away) are part of the historic
behavior pattern that evokes genocide.  I 
understand the death-threats against me are 
founded on historic fears of people like me 
coming to realize what they have been subjected
to and then turning around to commit genocide...
Such genocidal backlash is quite understandable
which is why awareness in the victims is so
threatening.  Any TALK about the situation is,
therefore, risking triggering genocide because
it raises awareness.

So, yes, my secular Jewish "friends" who want to
kill me and repeatedly threaten to do so are quite
right to fear me because they must fear the truth
given what they have done.

On the other hand, how long can the truth 
remain buried.  Even if they kill me, do they
think they will bury the truth with me?  Am I
*that* much of an abberation?

Talking to normal-everyday people about these
issues demonstrates that I am not so abberant
as they would like to believe.

Television was powerful -- it wasn't THAT powerful.

If any of these guys would think for a moment about
the phrase "Never Again" and take it to heart, they
would understand that genocide doesn't occur in
a vacuum -- it takes two to tango so to speak.

If they think for a second that silencing people 
with the tactics they use does anything but 
exacerbate the problem they face, they are not just 
dead wrong, they are genocidally wrong.
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  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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warren@vaccine.worlds.com (Warren Burstein) writes:
> In <2raubg$7jh@netnews.alf.dec.com> harry@tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com (Harry Katz) writes:
> 
> >Nevertheless, should Mr. Bowery succeed in inspiring a movement to
> >implement his separatist "solution" I would be willing to contribute
> >what I could afford toward its realization.  In spite of being a
> >"secular Jew" that is the most I could do to support his cause.
> 
> Well I want to hear the answer to my question about what he's planning
> to do with people born in his state who express recessive political
> genes before I decide.  

Politics is an exercise in social dominance.  The EVOLUTION of dominance
at a genetic level depends on an extended period of selection against a
relatively competitive genepool seeking phenotypic expression.  Political
dominance and genetic dominance are therefore correlated.  There would be
no reason to take extraordinary steps to prevent "recessive" political
genes, if they in fact existed, because by the time they began to spread
through the population and dominate the genepool, the next frontier would
be opening up via technical advance. 

If such technical advance is not forthcoming, the relatively small size
of the separatist state would mean that it would almost certainly 
be consumed by the encroachment of the rest of the world and it would
be able to do little to stop that encroachment.  My people would
simply disappear.  If we, in our absence of advanced technical 
gifts presumed in this scenario, attempted to go head to head militarily 
against other nations, we would be destroyed.

> Also how he plans to see that his seperatist
> state doesn't run out of frontier in a few generations and decide that
> it's justified to take some by force.

Had it not been for the politicization of the science and technology 
supports for innovation in the US in the wake of the Manhattan project,
we would already have enough frontiers that the limiting resource
would be people willing to work in a frontier environment.  At present,
political obsticles are the primary ones to opening not just Siberia,
Alaska and Northern Canada -- but the ocean deserts, cis-lunar space,
the asteroids and ultimately the mining of the atmosphers of the gas 
giants.  (No planetary surfaces would be settled except as mining
 outposts due to transportation economics in gravitation wells).

I expect the space frontier to open up very shortly after the first 
million or so of my people are allowed to remove the technosocialist
yoke that presently binds them to the political system.

The genocidal urge represented in the military industrial complex needs
to be transmuted via commercial incentives and grants of sovereignty to
pioneers into a a positive-sum life force.  

If secular Jews continue to try to control my people the way they have 
via the technosocialist era of the last few decades, I fear:

1) That Jews themselves will lead a charge into a Judaeo-Christian
millenium (fourth reich) which will target Arabs and blacks (and
 possibly others).

or that 

2) That my people will take back their sovereignty by force via 
the "patriot movement" and in so doing unleash the genocidal 
potential of the military industrial complex in this country against 
not only Jews, but blacks, hispanics and asians.

I have been doing everything I can to avert BOTH of these negative
scenarios and realize the positive one I outlined above.
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morphis@D0GS01.FNAL.GOV writes:
> Politics is the art of compromise, i.e. the art of living with someone
> who 	A)doesn't agree with you on everything
> 	B)is big enough you can't beat hir into submission

Politics is the art of taking people who aren't adapted to 
cosmopolitan urban environments, forcing them off their farms
and out of their small towns into the environemtns they can't
handle and then using social darwinistic "ethics" to explain
why the decimation of their populations wasn't genocide.
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Anthony L. Kimball (alk@et.msc.edu) wrote:
: freedom and welfare of our posterity.  If that unity is best
: accomplished by racial integration, so be it.  If it is best
: accompished by racial segregation, so be it.  Let each community bond
: on its own terms.  Division means destruction.  The murderous
: oligarchs of the federal system are quite well united, thank you. 

The answer will, of course, be different for different communities.

When people oppose voluntary separatism in the name of unity, they
are, in fact, forcing incompatible elements together with the result
that there will be hatred, violence and deception.

Now you tell me... what is the name of the group that has played
the biggest role in opposing voluntary separatism and has done so in
the name of every conceivable virtue known to mankind?
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  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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jdurbin@netcom.com (Jason E. Durbin) writes:
> Jim Bowery (jabowery@netcom.com) wrote:
> : You guys are so happy to "get Bowery to admit he
> :  really wants to commit genocide" but you forget
> : one thing about my statement -- I am pointing out
> : a behavior pattern (ridicule/prevent attempts to 
> :  get away from Jews and then taunt the people 
> :  who want to get away) are part of the historic
> : behavior pattern that evokes genocide.
> 
> So the Nazis were simply victims? 

What am I supposed to do now?  Start acting like I never
said the holocaust was immoral -- that it is rightfully
reviled simply so that I can fit the mold you want to
pour me into?  Why are you so desperate to cast me as
a Nazi?  Why aren't you equally desperate to deport me
and all people like me to our "Nordic utopia" where
we can all inbreed and exhibit recessive traits that will
make us no more capable of mounting a military offensive
than the white trash pig-sodomizers in the movie 
"Deliverance"?

> Driven to build gas chambers and ovens 
> because those damn Jews wouldn't stop making fun of them?

"part of" the historic behavior pattern.
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Jonathan Cave (cave@bony.rand.org) wrote:
: In article ,
: Jim Bowery  wrote:

: >On the other hand, how long can the truth 
: >remain buried.  Even if they kill me, do they
: >think they will bury the truth with me?  Am I
: >*that* much of an abberation?

: Yes.

If that's the case, then my supposed threat to
Jews is nonexistant and you can all ignore me.
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ingram@duke.cs.duke.edu (Defender of the Faith) writes:
> bowery, will you never learn???

I learn all the time.  

> In article  jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> >Now you tell me... what is the name of the group that has played
> >the biggest role in opposing voluntary separatism and has done so in
> >the name of every conceivable virtue known to mankind?
> 
> (Tick, tock; tick, tock) 	I know! Jim Bowery!!!
> 
> I'm sorry that is incorrect. Jim Bowery is a boil on the
> ass of humanity.  The correct answer is,
> 
> 
> 			THE JEWS!!!!!!!

I would really appreciate an honest opinion from Kimball or
someone a little less a part of the problem...

People know my answer is SECULAR pseudo "Jews" (SPJ's?), and
I'm sure others, who agree that opposing voluntary separatism
is a problem, have different perspectives on this particular
question.  I'm curious as to what those perspectives are.
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From "The Extended Phenotype", by Richard Dawkins:

"Those who have never been brainwashed or addicted to a
 drug find it hard to understand their fellow men driven
 by such compulsions.  In the same way we cannot understand
 a host bird's being compelled to feed an absurdly
 oversized cuckoo, or worker ants wontonly murdering
 the only being in the whole world that is vital to their
 genetic success.  But such subjective feelings are
 misleading, even where the relatively crude achievements
 of human pharmacology are concerned.  With natural
 selection working on the problem, who would be so
 presumptuous as to guess what feats of mind control
 might not be achieved?  Do not expect to see animals 
 always behaving in such a way as to maximize their own 
 inclusive fitness.

 Losers in an arms race may behave in some very odd ways
 indeed.  If they appear disoriented and unsure of their
 footing, this may be only the beinning."
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Subject: Re: Short Course in History
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mmcon@netcom.com (Jon M. Gallagher) writes:
> Jim Bowery (jabowery@netcom.com) wrote:
> : morphis@D0GS01.FNAL.GOV writes:
> : > Politics is the art of compromise, i.e. the art of living with someone
> : > who 	A)doesn't agree with you on everything
> : > 	B)is big enough you can't beat hir into submission
> 
> : Politics is the art of taking people who aren't adapted to 
> : cosmopolitan urban environments, forcing them off their farms
> : and out of their small towns into the environemtns they can't
> : handle and then using social darwinistic "ethics" to explain
> : why the decimation of their populations wasn't genocide.
> : -- 
> : The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
> :   The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
> 
> Well, let's pretend for a short minute that all participants in this
> discussion are mentally balanced. If we cannot assume this then I
> include myself in any suspect population.
> 
> Given that assumption, I posit that the major factor for rural to
> urban movement is economic.

Like I said... social darwinistic "ethics"...  The fact that you
ignore public policy during the decimation of the fertility of the
80 million WASP boomers born in the 1950's is telling.
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golux@mcs.com (The only Golux in the World, and not a mere Device) writes:
> In article <00050114.fc@nile.com>, Rick_Savage@nile.com (Rick Savage)
> wrote:
> 
> > >In article , codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
> > writes...
> > >> 
> > >>Actually he said "not neo-Nazi, Nazi stuff.  There's a big difference." He
> > >>sells the Nazi stuff more to make money than for its propaganda value. 
> > >>seeing no reason why he shouldn't get a piece of the Nazi memorabilia
> > >>business, which is largely run by Jews, as documented in a recent article
> > >>in the NY Times Magazine. 
> > 
> > >    I'd be interested in reading this.  Do you recall which issue it was
> > >    in?
> > 
> > :Nov. 28, 1993. It's called "Evil for Sale: the market for Nazi 
> > :memorabilia is growing, and many of the collectors are Jews."
> > 
> > 
> >     That isn't suprising.  The Jews need Hitler more than the Christians need
> > Jesus Christ.  The Jewish identity wouldn't be complete without a demonic 
> > Hitler
> > figure as their Saviour/Satan.  Hitler is their prime idol of worship.  
> > Invoking
> > Hitler's name is the pious Jew's best talisman against criticism and
> > investigation.  
> 
> Actually, the Jewish identity managed to be quite complete for thousands of
> years without Hitler.  Can you say the same for your own cultural identity?
> 
> -- 
> D. J. Schaeffer |       The Todal looks like a blob of glup.
> golux@mcs.com   |     It makes a sound like rabbits screaming,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^        and smells of old, unopened rooms.
>                             -- Thurber, _The 13 Clocks_

Does the fact that our people are relatively gullible and therefore
vulnerable to Jewish culture mean we are any less entitled to existence?
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
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cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (Chris) writes:
> But I meant the Jewish outcry for a reason. They have already been there!
> Lest we forget Hitler was a popularly elected leader at first. The
> people agreed that the problems he said needed fixing could be fixed by a
> few more controls. His laws, rules and changes were necessary to put a
> little order and security in the people's lives. The bulk of the population
> will readily give up freedom for security even if the security is only 
> perceived not real.

As a person who has been repeatedly slandered and libeled as advocating 
another holocaust of the Jews, I want to second Chris's call to Jewish
arms.

First, let every Jew who fears a second holocaust arm himself with weapons of 
war so that they may live in less fear of this mythical "Jim Bowery" that has 
been created by liars and scoundrels who misrepresent and distort my words
without respite.  

Second, let every Jew who believes that the Fourth Reich is going to
arise from WASP males such as myself take a long hard look at who is
promoting gun control in the Senate.

Your eyes may be opened, and hopefully sooner than my German brethren's
eyes were opened when Hitler was leading them into infamy.
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krolczyk@MCS.COM (Chris Krolczyk) writes:
> I take it that Jim intends to redefine the words "substantive debate" as 
> soon as he gets that Martian colony free from "secular Jewish" influence
> going....

Would any of you guys who are referring to "Bowert's Martian colony"
please tell me where I talked about such a settlement?

Mr. Krolczyk?  Mr. Shaffer?
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cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes:
> As quoted from  by cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (Chris):
> 
> > decastro@netcom.com (Richard A. De Castro) writes:
> > 
> > > jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> > > 
> > > [deleted]
> > > 
> > > We Jews have a saying for the likes of you.
> > > 
> > > NEVER AGAIN.
> > > 
> > > It's not a warning, it's a promise.
> > > 
> >  
> > Then were is the Jewish outcry against the assault on the second amendment?
> > Or for that matter the assault on the first amendment?
> > 
> Ever heard of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO)?
> 
> They do by FAR, the best anti gun control posters.

If Chris Cutter would please evaluate JPFO and post a positive evaluation 
to the net, I will need an address so I can send in a $100 donation.

Such an organization, if it is real, would be the modern equivalent to 
Schindler and it deserves everyone's support, Jew and Gentile.
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harry@tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com (Harry Katz) writes:
> I realize that Ted Frank is righteously upset with Jim Bowery, but I,
> for one, do not appreciate having Mr. Bowery's conspiratorial views
> cross-posted to alt.revisionism.
> 
> This newsgroup was set up for the purpose of discussing Holocaust
> denial -- not anti-Semitism in general, or Mr. Bowery's genetic
> theories in particular.

Historical revisionism is not limited to the tales of Nazi
innocence in the holocaust -- but includes all purported historical
revisions -- primarily those which some group perceives to be
in conflict with "establishment" historians.  This includes such
revisionist agendae as redefining the image of our founding
fathers as somewhat less than noble characters, portraying the
role of white anglo-saxon protestant males in history, in general,
in a far less appealing light than was taught in public schools
in the US earlier in this century, etc.

Some of us believe that there is a far more powerful and 
pervasive "establishment" than White Anglo-Saxon Protestant
Males that influences the historic record, but which receives very 
little scrutiny due to taboos and general conflicts of interest in 
studying the influence of that establishment in the currently
accepted version of history.

Regardless of what one perceives as "the establishment", one has
a right under etiquette to be heard in alt.revisionism.  Complaints
from members of "the establishment" in question are to be expected
and are to be given the credibility they deserve in such clear
conflicts of interest.
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wvhorn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William VanHorne) writes:
> In article <2s2p73$pr2@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
> Andrew S Hall  wrote:


Notice that these two individuals not only both post
from magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, but that they have also been
on the most extreme opposite sides of the Linda Thompason affair
with one of them doing a "spoof" of a militial call to arms while
the other one viciously attacked me for warning people to stay
away from Linda thompson's call to arms.  Of course, Glenda Stocks
has been drawn into Linda Thompson's agenda.  

> >Why is everbody dumping on poor l'il Glenda all of a sudden? Just because
> >to her a jew who claims to be a jew is not a jew and is a kenite/child
> >of Lucifer and not a jew because ...well, I can't remember why, but
> >I am sure it was a very good reason. 
> 
> Tsk. Tsk.  Obviously *someone* hasn't been paying attention.  Ok, I'll go
> over this one more time just for you.  A Kenite is a pseudo-jew, 

... etc. as William VanHorne proceeds to recklessly mix Glenda Stocks' 
religious theories with an incorrect verion my secular theory
of why it is "Jews" seem to be at the heart of so much evil...  I'm
confident that it would have mattered if VanHorne had been paying closer
attention to what I was saying... the he would have distorted it for his
agenda just the same... 

What I want to see, and what I think we all deserve to see, is a debate of 
the Linda Thompson Question between these two individuals.
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Subsequent to publishing this essay in his newspaper, Henry Ford
was drawn into supporting the Nazi regime.  The fact that a Jewish
accountant of his nearly terminated Ford's control of his automobile
company probably had something to do with Ford's vulnerability to
Nazi influence.  Keep in mind that Ford was the Bill Gates of his
day, only more so since Ford took the positive-sum industrial 
technology much further for its time than has Bill Gates with
Microsoft.  Also, Ford, unlike Gates, had no secular Jewish girlfriend
who continued to hang around with him subsequent to his marriage.
Gates is far more under control, as are many of the Microsoft Millionaires
of Seattle.  Secular Jewish females have an instinct for men with 
money.  They won't be a problem for secular Jewery any time soon.


Part 1 of the Ford article follows:

"The Jewish Qustion -- Fact or Fancy"

published in The Dearborn Independent, June 12, 1920

(IV)

The chief difficulty in writing about the Jewish Question is the 
supersensitiveness of Jews and non-Jews concerning the whole matter.
There is a vague feeling that even to openly use the word "Jew",
or to expose it nakedly in print, is somehow improper.  Polite 
evasions like "Hebrew" and "Semite", both of which are subject to
the criticism of inaccuracy, are timidly essayed, and people pick
their way gingerly asif the whole subject were forbidden, until 
some courageous Jewish thinker comes straight out with the good old
word "Jew", and then the constraint is relieved and the air is
cleared.  The word "Jew" is not an epithet; it is a name, ancient
and honorable, with significance for every period of human history,
past, present and to come.

There is extreme sensitivensss about the public discussion of the
Jewish Question on the part of Gentiles.  They would prefer to
keep it in the hazy borderlands of their thought, shrouded in
silence.  Their heritage of tolerance instinctive sense of the 
difficulty involved has more to do with it.  The principle public
Gentile pronouncements upon the Jewish Question are in the manner of
the truckling politician or the pleasant after-dinner speaker; the
great Jewish names in philosophy, medicine, literature, music and
finance are named over, the energy, ability and thrift of the race
are dwelt upon, and everyone goes home feeling that a difficult
place has been rather neatly negotiated.  The Gentile is not
changed.  The Jew still remains the enigma of the world.

Gentile sensitiveness on this point is best expressed by the desire
for silence -- "Why discuss it at all?" is the attitude.  Such an
attitude is itself a proof that there is a problem which we would
evade if we could.  "Why discuss it at all?" -- the keen thinker
clearly sees in the implications of such a question, the existence
of a problem whose discussion or suppression will not always be
within the choice of easy-going minds.

Is there a Jewish Question in Russia?  Unquestionably, in its most
virulent form.  Is it necessary to meet that Question in Russia?
Undoubtedly, meet it from every angle along which light and healing
may come.

Well, the percentage of the Jewish population of Russia is just one
per cent more than it is in the United States.  The majority of the
Jews themselves are not less well-behaved in Russia than they are
here; they lived under restrictions which do not exist here; yet in
Russia their genius has enabled them to attain a degree of power which
has completely baffled the Russian mind.  Whether you go to Romania,
Russia, Austria or Germany, or anywhere else that the Jewish Question
has come to the forefront as a vital issue, you will discover that 
the principal cause is the outworking of the Jewish genius to achieve
the power of control.

Here in the United States it is the fact of this remarkable minority --
a sparse Jewish ingredient of three per cent in a nation of 110,000,000 --
attaining in 50 years a degree of control that would be impossible to a
ten times larger group of any other race, that creates the Jewish
Question here.  Three percent of any other people would scarcely occasion
comment, because we could not meet with a representative of them 
wherever we went in high places -- in the innermost secrecy of the
councils of the Big Four at Versailles; in the supreme court; in the
councils of the White House; in the vast dispositions of world finance --
wherever there is power to get or use.  Yet we meet the Jew everywhere
in the upper circles, literally everywhere there is power.  He has the
brains, the initiative, the penetrative vision which almost automatically
projects him to the top, and as a consequence he is more marked than any
other race.

And that is where the Jewish Question begins.  It begins in very simple
terms -- How does the Jew so habitually and so resistlessly gravitate
to the highest places?  What puts him there?  Why is he put there?  What
does he do there?  What does the fact of his being there mean to the 
world?

That is the Jewish Question in its origin.  From these points it goes
on to others, and whether the trend becomes pro-Jewish or anti-Semitic
depends on the amount of prejudice brought to the inquiry, and whether
it becomes pro-Humanity depends on the amount of insight and intelligence.

The use of the world Humanity in connection with the word Jew usually 
throws a side-meaning which may not be intended.  In this connection
it is usually understood that the humanity ought to be shown toward
the Jew.  There is just as great an obligation upon the Jew to show his
humanity toward the whole race.  The Jew has been too long accustomed
to think of himself as exclusively the claimant on the humanitarianism
of society;  society has a large claim against him that he cease his
exclusiveness, that he cease exploiting the world, that he cease making
Jewish groups the end and all of his gains, and that he begin to fulfill,
in a sense his exclusiveness has never yet enabled him to fulfill, the
ancient prophecy that through him all the nations of the earth should
be blessed.

The Jew cannot go on forever filling the role of the supplaint for the
world's humanitarianism; he must himself show that quality to a society
which seriously suspects his higher and more powerful groups of
exploiting it with a pitiless rapacity which in its wide-flung and 
long drawn-against a rather helpless humanity.  For it is true society
is as helpless before the well-organized extortions of certiain
financial groups, as huddled groups of Russian Jews were helpless
against the anti-Semitic mob.  And as in Russia, so in America, it is
the poor Jew who suffers for the delinquincies of the rich exploiter
of his race.

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morphis@D0TAGE.FNAL.GOV writes:
> >>jabowery writes:
> >Politics is the art of taking people who aren't adapted to 
> >cosmopolitan urban environments, forcing them off their farms
> >and out of their small towns into the environemtns they can't
> >handle and then using social darwinistic "ethics" to explain
> >why the decimation of their populations wasn't genocide.
> 
> ... if I had the power to force
> a bunch of rubes off the farm so they would die in the city... a) I wouldn't
> be worried about them in the first place,

See Stalin's purges...

> b) in the city they are more likely
> to become radicalized, 

True, this phenomenon had a lot to do with the growth of Hitler's
constituency.

> c)who is going to do my farming?  

If you are a net exporter of agricultural products and you are on a
genocidal pogrom against the largest segment of your population
anyway, there is no real problem here.

>I am not saying
> the above never happened just that I can't imagine any competant politician
> doing it

Politicians are competent at only a few primitive tricks.  They are, after
all, acting on instinct rather than intellect.  That's why they are 
regularly mass-murdered along with their primary power-base.  See what 
happened to the politicians and journalists in the transition from
Weimar Germany to Nazi Germany.

> there is a huge Jewish/Liberal conspiracy to 
> kill off all the righteous family farmers...

No, as I've said before, it is secular "Jews" -- the people who are Jewish
by blood heritage rather than by religious observance.  Further, as I've
stated many times before, the driving phenomenon here is not conspiracy
but population genetics and extended phenotypics -- it is a genetic adaptation 
to an ecological niche created by advancing technology, seeded by the diaspora 
and coevolved with indigenous Europeans for over 2 millenia.  Conspiracies may
emerge from time to time, but they do so more on the slave race side than on 
the master race side.

>But then who will the Jews have
> to enslave?  

The main point is to take the natural leadership of the non-cosmopolitan
community and ship them off to be programmed in cosmopolitan morals and
values.  The de facto eugenics program attacks the fertility of this
leadership, males and females, usually by attacking females first and
making them become extended phenotypes of the Jewish genotype.  Most
recently, and most obviously, this occured in the leading protestant 
demoninations such as the Episcopalians, Lutherans and Presbyterians.  Once 
the females of these centers of WASP moral leadership had been coopted with
the moral systems of secular Jewish feminists, it was relatively easy to take 
out the fertility of the more intelligent WASPs across the entire culture.

It is much easier to make slaves out of people whose intelligence you have
suppressed by erocide (massive attack on fertile love in target population).

Television, movies, tabloids, newspapers, legalistic oppressions and a 
coopted public school system are quite sufficient to keep the rest of the WASPs 
enslaved while maintaining the appearance of democracy.


> I would assume since they are frugal with money they would be
> frugal with livestock as well ... Besides, all the "rubes" that I know have
> done quite nicely in furthering their bloodlines (I don't think I could
> count my cousins if I tried) 

If your response here is any indicator, your cousins would make great
breeding stock for a slave society.
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Rick_Savage@nile.com (Rick Savage) writes:
>     Could you explain to me why Jim has to leave?  Personally I think Jim has
> the wrong idea.  My understanding of American history is that America was
> founded by and for white people.  They had no intention of making this country
> into a "multi-cultural" melting pot.  If anyone is going to leave, it should be
> all those who had no hand in the founding of this country.
>     If you want to deny that this country was founded BY whites and FOR whites,
> you can save your effort to try to refute that fact.  It is the easiest thing to
> prove.  Whites were the only people who were legally entitled to hold
> citizenship in America...and their early emigration laws also reflected this
> fact.  If our forefathers who came after the founders were not so apathetic and
> stupid they would never have lifted the flood gates to all the alien non-white
> races and America would still be a white nation.
>     That is the weakness of our people, misguided compassion, love and sympathy
> for those who eventually end up turning on their benefactors in the end.  Haiti,
> Portugal, Rhodesia, and now South Africa...with American not too far behind.
> When will our people wise up and learn from history???

When we cease being educated and morally manipulated via media and academia by 
Jews.

When will that happen?  When we form a society from which Jews are excluded with
extreme prejudice.

The question the becomes, how does one avoid the definition of "extreme prejudice"
as it is used in intelligence circles:  murder.

Regardless of where you stand on holocaust revisionism, it is clear that the
Nazi's had plans to gather Jews for deportation to Madagascar or possibly even 
working with certain notorious Zionist leaders for the reestablishment of a Zionist
state.  It is also clear that right about this time, Nazi Germany entered into
warlike conduct which not only destroyed the tremendous potential of a northern 
european renaissaince -- it set the stage for the destruction of America's
genetic and legal constitution by secular Jewery via a virtual explosion
of their moral and secular influence in media and academia during subsequent
decades.  Before Hitler, the US lead the world in genetic studies -- ahead of 
Nazi Germany -- and it was still legal to engage in voluntary separatism.  Hitler
deprived us of all of that and made any attempt to retain our existing freedoms,
let alone recover our ancient heritage, immensely more difficult.

How are we to guarantee that a deportation program would not trigger the rise
of a similar "leader" who would have a similar failure of moral integrity?

The Nazi's missed a golden opportunity to turn the unque gifts of the German 
people to the frontier instead of to war.  Given that the German people were 
those who choose to stay in the old world instead of pioneer the new world, 
this failure is somewhat more understandable.  Even so, the deporation programs 
were an essential aspect of this their downfall, in my opinion.

Think about how much more successful the Germans who pioneered the United
States were than the Germans who stayed in the old world to slug it out
with the Jews and others?

Our main mistakes in this New World were that we didn't include, in our 
constitution, a genetic definition of citizenship and a prohabition against
imported labor (ie: slaves and migrant workers).  I would even go so far
as to put a prohabition against tourists of any kind because the key to 
maintanence of the northern genetic constitution is avoidance of social
contact with those of southern genetic constition just as their key to
survival is avoidance of military or violent confrontation with those of 
northern genetic constitution.
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Subject: Re: Linda Thompson Reply
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cburian@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher J Burian) writes:
> My skepticism is great, as far as flamethrowing tanks are concerned.  No
> matter.  Jackboots Janet is still a murderer and a traitor to the Constitution.

Even ignoring the "flame thrower tape" issue, the evidence against Linda Thompson 
being a reliable leader for patriots is compelling.

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  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.


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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Re: FAKE JEWS/SONS OF SATAN
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ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes:
> In article <2sf77e$d6s@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
> William VanHorne  wrote:
> >In article ,
> >Jim Bowery  wrote:
> >
> >>What I want to see, and what I think we all deserve to see, is a debate of
> >>the Linda Thompson Question between these two individuals.
> >
> >I refuse to debate with known disinformation agents of the Universal Templar
> >Conspiracy (a.k.a. Priory Of Zion).  General Thompson will lead us to glory
> >in spite of Them.  "A.", if that's his real name, can just crawl back to
> >Rennes le Chateu with the rest of Them.
> 
> Ya know, this is an example of typical VanHornian tactics. I had a legitimate
> beef with Mr. Bowery and still think he is a loud-mouthed coward who
> slammed LT purely because he lacks the balls to stand up for a real fight.
> Mr. "Bill VanHorne" on the other hand is a snipping little pipsqueak (I
> rue the day they let freshman have news access) who tries to mock the
> Great Purpose.

Just a nit.  It seems that a "loud-mouth coward" isn't all that different from 
a "snipping little pipsqueak" so the phrase "on the other hand" should have
instead been "likewise".  ;-)

> He refuses to debate since he has no leg to stand on. He knows I have been
> to Rennes-le-Chateau, I have read the Priory documents in the Bibliotheque
> National, and I have found the hidden Templar caves on a small Mediterrean
> island. I once thought of him as another honest seeker after the Lost Wisdom,
> but I now know better.

So there is some history between these two.  Perhaps that explains why
they ended up in a jocular banter about Glenda's "sons of satan" messages.
On the other hand, it appears there is no love lost between them so one
is left with a puzzle as to the jocular nature of their banter.

Are you guys Discordians or students of Robert Anton Wilson?  I'm really
enjoying reading what you have to say in the same manner than I enjoy
RAW's books.

> Well, the time has come and when LT's militia rolls down I-70 from
> Indianopolis on its way to a glorious triumph, the True Patriots will
> stand up and be counted. Kenites like "Bill VanHorne" and his cohorts
> in the Fusion Energy Foundation (a well-known LaRouchie front) here

Bill VanHorne is with the Fusion Energy Foundation?  I don't recall reading
his name in the fusion newsgroup but then I'm bad with names.

> have constantly been attacking and thwarting attempts here at OSU
> to get anything done for the last six years.

If you ask me, you're both Son's of Satan -- the author of confusion.

But at least its enjoyable confusion.  Where do I send money to pay
you guys to keep up the entertaining banter?
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From: jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
Subject: Henry Ford's "Antisemitism" part 2
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This series of articles is already being met by an organized barrage 
by mail and wire and voice, every single item of which carries the 
wail of persecution.  one would think that a heartless and horrible 
attack were being made on a most pitiable and helpless people -- until
one looks at the letterheads of the magnates who write, and at the
membership of the organizations whose responsible heads hysterically 
demand retraction.  And always in the background there is the threat 
of boycott, a threat which has practically sealed up the columns of every
publication in America against even the mildest discussion of the
Jewish Question.

The Jewish Question in America cannot be concealed forever by threats
against publications, nor by the propogandist publication of matter 
extremely and invariably favorable to everything Jewish.  It is here 
and it cannot be twisted into something else by the adroit use of
propoganda, nor can it be forever silenced by threats.  The Jews of
the United States can best serve themselves and their fellow Jews all 
over the world by letting drop their far too ready cry of "antisemitism",
by adopting a franker tone than that which befits a helpless victim, and
by seeing what the Jewish Question is and how it behooves every Jew who
loves his people to help solve it.

There has been used in theis series the term "International Jew".  It
is susceptible of two interpretations:  one, the Jew wherever he may
be; the other, the Jew who exercises international control.  The real
contention of the world is with the latter and his satellites, whether
Jew or Gentile.

Now, this international type of Jew, this grasper after world-control,
this actual possessor and wielder of world-control is a very unfortunate
connection for his race to have.  The most unfortunate thing about the
international Jew, from the standpoint of the ordinary Jew, is that the
international type is also a Jew.  And the significance of this is that
the type does not grow anywhere else than on a Jewish stem.  There is no
other racial or national type which puts forth this kind of person.  It is
not merely that there are a few Jews among international financial 
controllers; it is that these world controllers are exclusively Jews. 
That this phenomenon which creastes an unfortunate situation for those
Jews who are not and never shall be world-controllers, who are the plain 
people of the Jewish race.  If world-control were mixed, like the control,
say, of biscuit business, then the occasional Jews we might find in those 
higher financial altitudes would not constitute the problem at all; the
problem would then be limited to the existence of world-control in the 
hands of a few men, of whatever race or lineage they might be.  But 
since world-control is an ambition which has only been achieved by Jews, 
and not by any of the methods usually adopted by would-be world conquerors,
it becomes inevitable that the question should center in that remarkable
race.

This bring sdifficulty another difficulty: in discussing this group of
world-controllers under the name of Jews (and they are Jews), it is
not always possible to stop and distinguish the group of Jews that is
meant.  The candid reader can usually determine that, but the Jew who is in
a state of mind to be injured is sometimes pained by reading as a charge
against himself what was intended for the upper group.  "Then why not
discuss the upper group as financiers and not as Jews?" may be asked.
Because they are Jews.  It is not to the point to insist that in any
list of rich men there are more Gentiles than Jews; we are not talking 
about those who Control -- and it is perfectly apparent that merely to
be rich is not to control.  The world-controlling Jew has riches, but he 
also has something much more powerful than that.

The international Jew, as already defined, rules not because he is rich,
but because in a most marked degree he possesses the commercial and 
masterful genius of his race, and avails himself of a racial loyalty and 
solidarity the like of which exists in no other human group.  In other
words, transfer to-day the world-control of the international Jew to 
the hands of the highest commercially talented group of Gentiles, and the
whole fabric of world-control would eventually fall to pieces, because
the Gentile lacks a certain quality, be it human or divine, be it natural
or acquired, that the Jew possesses.

This, of course, the modern Jew denies.  THere is a new position taken
by the modernists among the Jews which constitutes a denial that the Jew
differs from any other man except in the matter of religion.  "Jew" they
say is not a racial designation, but a religious designation like
"Episcopalian", "Catholic," "Presbyterian."  This is the argument used
in newspaper offices in the Jews' protests against giving the Jewish 
designation to those of their people who are implicated in crime -- "You 
don't give the religious classifications of other people who are arrested,"
the editor is told, "why should you do it with Jews?"  The appeal to 
religious tolerance always wins, and is sometimes useful in diverting
attention from other things.

Well, if the Jews are only religiously differentiated from the rest of
the world, the phenomenon grows stranger still.  For the rest of the world
is interested less in the Jew's religion than in anything else that 
concerns him.  There is really nothing in his religion to differentiate
the Jew from the rest of mankind, as far as the moral content of that
religion is concerned, and if there were he would have overcome that by
the fact that his Jewish religion supplies the moral structure for both of
the other great religions.  Moreover, it is stated that there are among 
English speaking nations, 2,000,000 Jews who acknowledge their race and
not their religion, while 1,000,000 are classed as agnostic -- are these 
any less Jews than the others?  The world does not think so.  An Irishman 
who grows indifferent to the Synagogue is still an Irishman, and it would 
seem to be equally true that a Jew who grows indifferent to the Synagogue
is still a Jew.  He at least feels that he is, and so does the non-Jew.

A still more serious challenge would arise if this contention of the
modernists were true, for it would necessitate the explanation of these
world-controlling Jews by their religion.  We should have to say, "They
excel through their religion," and then the problem would turn on the
religion whose practice should bring such power and prosperity to its
devotees.  But another fact would intervene, namely, that these world-
controlling Jews are not notably religious; and still another fact would 
hammer for recognition, namely, the most devout believers and most 
obedient followers of the Jewish religion are the poorest among the
Jews.  If you want Jewish orthodoxy, the bracing morality of the Old
Testament, you will find it, not among the successful Jews, who have
Unitarianized their religion to the same extent that the Unitarians have 
Judaized their Christianity, but among the poor in the side streets who
still sacrifice the Saturday business for their Sabbath keeping.  Certainly
their religion has not given them world-control; instead, they have
made their own sacrifices to keep it inviolate against modernism.

Of course, if the Jew differs from the rest of mankind only when he is in 
full accord with his religion, the question becomes very simple.  Any
criticism of the Jew becomes sheer religious bigotry and nothing else!
And that would be intolerable.  But it would be the consensus of thoughtful
opinion that the Jew differs less in his religion than anything else.
There is more difference between the two great branches of Christianity, 
more conscious difference, than between any branch of Christianity
and Judaism.

So that, the contention of certain modernists notwithstanding, the world
will go on thinking of the Jew as a member of a race, a race whose 
persistence has defeated the utmost efforts made for its extermination,
a race that has preserved itself in virility and power by the observance
of those natural laws the violation of which has mongrelized so many 
nations, a race which has come up out of the past with the two great
moral values which may be reckoned on monotheism and monogamy, a race which
to-day is before us as the visible sign of an antiquity to which all our 
spiritual wealth harks back.  Nay, the Jew will go on thinking of himself
as the member of a people, a nation, a race.  And all the mixture and
intermixtures of thought or faith or custom cannot make it otherwise.
A Jew is a Jew and as long as he remains within his perfectly 
unassailable traditions, he will remain a Jew.  And he will always have
the right to feel that to be a Jew is to belong to a superior race.
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dbrown@k12.ucs.umass.edu (Daniel A. Brown (Bernardston ES)) writes:
> Sad to read most of the junk listed here. Sorry to see the filth of
> Anti-Semitism rear it's ugly head here in America. Maybe you guys should
> join the Nation of Islam. They're dumb enough to blame the Jews for their
> shortcomings also.

A lot of people in the separatist movement are closely allied with each 
other regardless of race.

We share problems, among them the hypocritical "pluralism" of secular Jews, 
and a common goal, removing our selves from the yoke of such a hypocritical
establishment.  Our relations are quite productive and respectful of each
other's genetic and cultural integrity.

By the way, we are also ACCUTELY aware of the fact that a typical tactic
used by secular Jews is to fabricate hostile incidents so that the only 
source of unity is the pseudo "pluralism" offered by secular Jews.  It's
going to be much more difficult to split us from each other in the future.

We are attempting to break down some of the barriers that exist to some
of the more conservative Jewish sects that have a separatist agenda.  The
problem is that these sects already have achieved their separatist goals
to a large extent and therefore see no particular reason to ally themselves
with us OR denounce their "pluralistic" offshoots publicly.  This creates
unnecessary and very unfortunate friction between those aspects of the 
Jewish community and the rest of the separatist movement.
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