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Article 6629 of alt.skinheads:
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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: FAQ: WHITE POWER
Date: 1 Jun 94 09:18:55 PST
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> Bullshit. I have no doubt that there are, for example, a few cat owners
> and Star Trek fans who are nazis, but that doesn't mean it would be
> appropriate for either you or LeBouthillier to post your crap to
> rec.pets.cats or to rec.arts.startrek.
 
Stop with your grandstanding garbage. Some skinheads are White Power.
That doesn't mean that they are Skinheads divorced from White Power,
that means that which defines them as skinheads is White Power
Skinheadism.
 
Using your argument, then it is inappropriate to talk about Ska music
since that is only a pasttime in which some skinheads engage. Using
your argument, noone can talk about Ben Shermans or Doc Martins since
only some skinheads wear such things.
 
Nonsense, for some skinheads, being a skinhead is an expression of White
Power. That's why all your nim-rod race-mixing friends come here to
argue because they think ONLY of White Power Skinheads when they hear
"skinhead."
 
If you don't like the association of White Power skinheads that comes
with being a skinhead, too bad; call yourself a mod.
 
> What I am advocating is common-sense netiquette and a bit of consideration
> for other net users. It has been made clear to you that the purpose of this
> group is *not* the discussion of Nazi ideology.
 
You wouldn't know Nazi ideology from race-mixing ideology if either came up
and gave you a good boot in the head. Since you're asking for some
netiquette, show some yourself. This group is not for you to try to take
over for race-mixing.
 
> If you wish to discuss such group is *not* the discussion of Nazi
> ideology. If you wish to discuss such matters, find a more appropriate
> group.
 
It is about the discussing of skinhead culture. Some skinhead culture is
Nazi, not Ska-based Race-mixing. That you don't approve of it has little
bearing on the issue.
 
>  By hijacking the group for your own ends you are making it impossible
> for sensible discussion to take place and are thus restricting the
> freedom of speech of the legitimate users of the group.
 
Nonsense, you're the one who is trying to hijack this group by deciding
like some kind of god what is or isn't skinhead. Bugger off!
 
> However, most college authorities are rather more sensitive to abuses
> of their systems, and hopefully they will discourage LeBouthillier
> from any further such abuses.
 
Do you think I hadn't considered that? I'm a big boy, ready to face off
on what is important to me.
 
> Posting offensive material to the net is something which cannot and
> should not be regulated.
 
Yeah? Well *I* find your anti-White viewpoint offensive.
 
> Preventing legitimate users of a newsgroup from discussing the issues
> which they wish to discuss is a different matter altogether.
 
I'm discussing exactly what I want to discuss. What's your point.
 
>  If you are in any doubt as to the feelings of the majority of the
> readers of this group,...
 
Morality is not a democratic sport.
 
> I refer you to article <1994May31.092818.1229@debet.nhh.no>, 'A Sad
> Goodbye (alt."skinheads")', which I believe sums them up succinctly.
 
If race-mixing fools like yourself wouldn't keep hounding us, there
wouldn't be this constant debate; as such, blame your own side.
 
> In that case I won't bore you. I will only ask that you restrict your
> posting to groups relevant to the subject matter in accordance with
> basic netiquette. To this end, followups are redirected to
> talk.politics.misc.
 
This ain't alt.race-mixing.skinheads, it is alt.skinheads. Some skinhead
culture is White Power; I will discuss White Power as I see fitting to do.
 
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Arthur LeBouthillier
 
By the deeds of heroes
and the blood of martyrs,
all good comes to be.



Article 6670 of alt.skinheads:
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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Procter v. LeBouthillier: A case of censorship
Date: 3 Jun 94 08:26:48 PST
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In article <1994Jun3.131207.4263@ee.surrey.ac.uk>, S.Procter@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Steve Procter) writes:

> In that case, perhaps you need a new group - alt.skinheads.white-power?
 
Perhaps YOU need a new newsgroup: alt.whining
 
> You have identified two quite different strands of skinhead culture. My
> point is that it is impractical for these two mutually exclusive viewpoints
> to occupy the same newsgroup, as illustrated by this flamewar (initiated
> by your FAQ) which makes discussion of any other issue practically
> impossible.
 
Then show some restraint and shut up.
 
> |> I'm discussing exactly what I want to discuss. What's your point.
>
> My point is that legitimate users of this group, for example Skinflower
> and the writer of the "A Sad Goodbye" article, find it impossible to
> use this group for its intended purpose due to the flamewars precipitated
> by your inflammatory articles.
 
You've already conceded that one brand of skinhead culture is racist
hence its discussion relevant.
 
> Equally, if you didn't insist on posting your rubbish to the group
> there wouldn't be this debate.
 
It is because of your rubbish and the rubbish from people like you that
there are debates.
 
>|> Skinheads come in many varieties; racist, anti-racist, and non-racist.
>
> As I have said before, so do cat owners and Star Trek fans. So what's
> your point?
 
My point is that one brand of skinhead culture is distinctly racial. Racism
is not a side issue, it is the defining characteristic and central focus
of the culture.
 
> I don't appreciate other people's opinions being posted to inappropriate
> newsgroups.
 
Then get off the newsgroup; who voted you net police?
 
> I think the dissemination of information on groups who seek to eliminate
> African-American culture is *highly* relevant to an African-American
> culture group, don't you?
 
Isn't this typical of your bigotry, hatred and stereotyping? I have never
said that I wanted to eliminate African-American culture. It is you that
wants to eliminate White-American culture; the proof of that is your acts
to silence and misrepresent our cause.
 
I don't want want to eliminate African-American culture; in fact, I want
it promoted (by African-Americans). However, I also want European-American
culture preserved and promoted; to that end, I promote White Power.
 
> I am afraid of innocent Black, Asian, Jewish and lesbian and gay people   
> being attacked as a result of this propaganda.
 
I'm afraid of innocent white people being attacked by your evil propaganda.
 
> And *this* nation has a law against incitement to racial hatred.
 
Then stop inciting hatred against whites.
 
> Since the distribution of Arthur's post was worldwide, including the
> UK, I would think he has probably violated this law. But that's not
> the point.
 
Then send the bobbies over to pick me up. You silly twit, I'm not subject
to those laws.
 
> The quoted statement is not my opinion, it is a *fact*.
> _The_purpose_of_this_group_is_not_the_discussion_of_Nazi_ideology_.
 
It is not a statement of fact; the purpose of this group is the discussion
of skinhead culture, which is what I'm doing.
 
> Try telling that to the people that have recently deserted the group,
> specifically because of the disruption caused by Arthur and his cronies.
 
They left because YOUR "cronies" can't stop attacking us and cause so much
havoc that there is no option for discussion other than politics.
 
Arthur LeBouthillier


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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Folk The System
Date: 3 Jun 94 19:25:55 PST
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Los Angeles' own White Power folk musician Eric Owens has just released
his new CD on Phoenix Records. _Folk_The_System_, Blends White Power
Oi!-style singing with traditional Irish folk music, creating a fun upbeat
sound. Using such instruments as bagpipes, penny whistles and the bones,
blended with other acoustical instruments, he creates a musical environment
guaranteed to bring out toe-tapping, and whistling from you.
 
The CD is available for $19.95 at:
 
                           PHOENIX RECORDS
                           P.O. Box 898
                           Walnut CA 91788
                           USA
 



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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: Hebrew Reperations from Blacks
Date: 4 Jun 94 08:39:07 PST
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In article <2sod69$sgc@pipeline.com>, white@pipeline.com (James White) writes:
 
      How about Native Americans?  If any group deserves reparations 
      then Native Americans certainly do.  So the whites pay off 
      blacks for slavery and blacks pay off Hebrews.  Then whites 
      give Native Americans their land back and go back to Eurpoe.  
      Isn't this a little absurd.  Where does it stop?  Why did we 
      pay off Japanese Americans who were interned during WWII?  
      Since the Japanese are now all rich they should pay us off for 
      Pearl Harbor,etc. etc. etc.  This subject is stupid.

 
What about us Celts? About 1500 - 2000 years ago the Romans enslaved
us. Why...and the Slavic people... their very name is reminiscent of
Roman slavery! Can we get reparations from the Italians? 

Arthur



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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Real Skinheads Ain't nazis.
Date: 4 Jun 94 14:15:58 PST
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In article <2sqhm5$agl@post-office.nevada.edu>, tommy@nevada.edu (GREG HJELSTROM) writes:

> If someone posts an article which (1)advocates the taking of a part of my
> country for a select group of people
 
You're the one who is advocating the destruction of my country for the
benefit of a select group of people: non-whites. So now you know how I
feel.
 
> (2) claims that some human beings are inherently worth more than others
> due to their appearance,
 
You're the one who claims that some human beings are inherently worth more
because of what they believe. I think that an individual's worth is
determined by what he does for my nation.
 
> (3) claims that there were no death camps in WWII, etc, etc, you are
> just begging for a debate.
 
I don't give rat's tail whether there were camps or not. What does that
have to do with the future of whites? Nothing. Zip. Zero. Zilch. The
only thing about that issue that has any bearing is the fact that people
like you start whining about nazis and WW2 whenever someone says they
are proud of the White race.
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
The White race must survive.
Separation is survival.


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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: Real Skinheads Ain't nazis.
Date: 5 Jun 94 09:06:08 PST
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In article <2srq2o$gq4@post-office.nevada.edu>, tommy@nevada.edu (GREG HJELSTROM) writes:

> What country am I advocating the destruction of????
 
That country was America, a country created to represent White people
and our interests. Now, it is obvious that it is hostile to our interests.
 
> And, if this country of yours exists, I am not excluding whites from
> benefiting from it.  I am not "anti-white", I'm pro-human.
 
Well, that's the problem. By welcoming people who have no place in
it, you are destroying it.
 
> btw, I think you meant race when you said nation, there are plenty of hard
> working, tax-paying "non-whites" who benefit America.  (or maybe America is
> not your nation?)
 
I used the word nation purposely. A nation is not a country; it is not a
government. Nation refers to a people and their identity, country refers to
the territory in which they live and the government is the political
institution which rules that people in that territory.
 
"America" (whatever that is) is not my nation. It has become obvious that
what it has become is inimical to all that I think is important. My
allegience is not to a territory, not to a government, but to my people.
My people are defined by their race of which such things as skin color
are indicators.
 
> Well, I don't give a rat's tail whether you care about 6 million + people
> being exterminated.  But I'll whine all I want if you try and erase history.
 
History isn't always what the government says it is. However, that's not
a debate that I want to involve myself in since that particular issue
has no bearing on my issues.
 
> Be proud of something you actually were a part of, none of us picked our 
> parents...
 
That's real nice, but you didn't decide what species you were born into
either right, so being "human" shouldn't mean anything. I am proud of
the deeds that I do to protect that which I think is most important: my
race.
 
> btw, I apologize for misspelling your name, you probably couldn't spell
> mine without checking either.
 
Apology accepted.
 
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
People and Homeland


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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: FAQ: WHITE POWER
Date: 6 Jun 94 07:17:20 PST
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                 FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS: WHITE POWER
 
                        Last Update: 2 June 1994
 
RECENT UPDATES
--------------
 - Added Book: Armed and Dangerous by James Coates
 - Added Book: Skinheads shaved for battle
 - Added Bookdealer: NS Publications
 - Added Newspaper: The Jubilee
 - New Music service: Nordic Wolfpack!
 - Added Category: Books, Articles of Interest to those with a White identity
    - Added Article: Race Unconsciousness and the White Male
    - Added Article: America's Changing Colors
    - Added Article: The Seeds of Racial Explosion
    - Added Article: The Ordeal of Immigration in Wausau
    - Added Article: The American Family Transformed
    - Added Article: Can American Democracy Survive?
    - Added Book: Ethnic Identity: The transformation of White America
    - Added Book: Tribes
  - Added Martyr: Kathy Ainsworth
  - Corrected numerous typographic errors
 
WHITE POWER
-----------
 
What is White Power?
 
   White Power is an empowering philosophy of White racial nationalism and
   ethnicity. It refers to a diverse range of philosophies from leftist
   National Socialism, to White Pride, to rightist White Supremacy. Perhaps
   the simplest imperative about what White Power stands for exists in
   the "14 words" coined by former Bruder Schweigen member, David Lane:
 
                  We must secure the existence of our people
                  and a future for White children.
 
Where does the term White Power come from?
 
   Although it is possibly a response to black nationalist Stokely
   Carmichael's book _Black_Power_, the phrase "White Power" was a
   popular term coined by participants at a George Lincoln Rockwell
   rally in Marquedt Park, Illinois in 1967. Spontaneously the
   attendants started rallying behind the call for White Power. It
   has been a popular phrase since then and was the title of George
   Lincoln Rockwell's book _White_Power_.
 
What is an Aryan?
 
   Aryan is a term that many ancient Indo-European peoples called
   themselves. It means "good," "best," or "noble." The ancient
   Hindus called themselves Aryans and derivitives of this term
   are evident in the country-names of Erin (Ireland) and Iran (Aryan).
   Today, some people of the European branch of Indo-Europeans call
   themselves that as a unique indicator of who they are and what their
   racial ideals are.
 
What is ZOG?
 
   ZOG (for Zionist Occupation Government ) is a euphemism for those
   governments which purport to represent white people while actually
   subscribing to an anti-white agenda. These governments often put
   "Israel First," while seconding the interests and desires of racial
   and nationalist whites for the interests of multi-racial societies and
   world government.
 
Aren't all White Power advocates White supremacists?
 
    No. Supremacy refers to an alleged right to rule over other races.
    Although some White Power people are White Supremacists, many are
    not. Those who are not supremacists are actually White nationalists or
    separatists and advocate for the formation of a White homeland in
    a manner which does not deny the human rights of non-whites.
 
What differences are there in White Power groups?
 
   There are many different viewpoints collected under the term White Power.
   A few of the philosophical viewpoints are:
 
    Supremacists - Supremacist arguments state that the White race is
       inherently superior and therefore is justified in ruling over
       other peoples. They often state that Whites assuming power over
       all of the earth's inhabitants is doing them a favor since Whites
       are the only people superior enough to make good judgements.
 
    National Socialists - based on Adolf Hitler's doctrine as outlined
       in his book Mein Kampf, the adherents of this viewpoint often
       don't see this as a "right-wing" cause but rather as a racially
       progressive left-wing movement. National Socialism is founded
       on several doctrines: nationalism, the long-view of history and
       racism. It adheres to the viewpoint of The Leader Principle
       whereby a people are best led by strong leaders rather than by
       their inherent weaknesses which democracy brings out.
 
    Christian Identity - this religious doctrine believes that Whites
       are the true Israelites described in the bible. It adheres to a
       doctrine of two-creations in Genesis whereby God created all of
       the other animals and races and then created the Adamic (White)
       race. They cite the fact that Adam means "able to show blood in
       the face" which would refer uniquely to the White race. They also
       believe that Jesus's message has become corrupted because he did
       not come for all peoples, but as said in Matthew 15:24 "I am not
       sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
 
    White Nationalists - this refers to a number of ideological viewpoints
       which view the White race as an ethnic nation which must have its
       own homeland in order to survive. Its adherents believe that the
       only state which can legitimately represent the White race is one
       which is purposely organized to represent it.
 
    Separatists - this catch-all identifier applies to many people who
       are not ideological at all. They merely recognize that we Whites
       are a different people and that we must survive as a people. They
       advocate the separation of the races, usually in different
       homelands for the different races. Some separatists advocate
       "The Northwest Imperative" which calls for the formation of a
       White homeland in the Pacific Northwest.
 
    Often, many of these viewpoints are expressed within a single group.
    The members of these groups bring differing ideas about what the goals
    of White Power should be, what programs can best attain its ideals,
    what a good White society is and how a White nation-state should be
    organized. But, despite these differences they are all agreed on one
    point: The White race must survive.
 
What is a race?
 
    The word race derives from the Spanish word raza which means "line."
    It refers to genetic lineage. A race is a lineal ethnic group which
    because of its genetic heritage, exhibits unique phenotypic features
    or patterns. However, despite these genetic features, race also
    refers to an ethnicity and an ethnic identity that is based on these
    features. As racists use the term, it is not equivalent to the
    biological word "race" which is merely a sub-breeding group of a
    species. Although as racists use the term a race is a sub-breeding
    group of the human species, it also refers to a set of group ideals
    and norms consistent with the maintenance of that ethnic group.
 
What is racism?
 
    Racism is the promotion of a race and its interests. It refers to a
    desire to maintain a unique ethnic identity closely bound to the
    physical characteristics that define that group. It also refers to
    a whole body of social norms which are consistent with maintaining
    that group and promoting a society which is consistent with racial
    ideals.
 
What is race-mixing?
 
    Race-mixing is the mixing of races, also known as miscegenation.
    The term "race-mixer" refers to those who advocate mixed-race
    societies as an ideal and those who engage in sexual relations with
    those of other races. Race-mixing is highly frowned upon by racists
    and race-mixers are often severely admonished.
 
What is a Hammerskin?
 
   In Pink Floyd's _The_Wall_ movie, there is a video segment sung to
   the tune "Up against the Wall," where Pink takes on the visage of
   a powerful leader. During this sequence, hundreds of skinheads march
   through the street and chase the "Pakis" (Pakistanis) out of England.
   Although the movie is largely opposed to that viewpoint, young skinheads
   were emboldened by the image of strength and came to call themselves
   Hammerskins. As these groups spread throughout the U.S. and Canada,
   they took on regional prefixes like: Western Hammerskins, Northern
   Hammerskins, Confederate Hammerskins and other names.
 
Why do you hate?
Why do you hate Jews?
Why do you hate Blacks?
Why do you hate everybody?
 
   White Power advocates love their race. Because of that, they are
   strongly opposed to any attempts to harm it by means of loss of
   territory, loss of economic or political self-determination, loss
   of cultural identity, disenfranchisement or race mixing. In order to
   preserve their race and its interests, they are often willing to engage
   in hostile acts against perceived threats to it.
 
Why don't you get a life?
 
    White Power advocates do have lives which are based on different
    principles and ideals from those of race-mixers.
 
CONTEMPORARY BOOKS ON WHITE POWER
---------------------------------
 
The following are somewhat "objective" in their appraisal of White Power
advocates:
 
    Blood In the Face by James Ridgeway
 
    The New Reich: Violent Extremism in unified Germany and beyond
        by Michael Schmidt
 
    Skinheads shaved for battle: a cultural history of American Skinheads
	by Jack B. Moore
 
    The Silent Brotherhood: Inside America's Racist Underground
        by Kevin Flynn and Gary Gerhardt
 
    Is God a racist?: the right wing in Canada
        by Stanley R. Barrett
 
The following are heavily biased against White Power and often misrepresent it:
 
    Armed and Dangerous: The rise of the survivalist right
        by James Coates
 
    Brotherhood of Murder
        by Thomas Martineze with John Guinther
 
    Free to Hate: The rise of the right in post-communist Eastern Europe
        by Paul Hockenos
 
    Skinhead Streetgangs
        by Loren Christensen. Paladin Books ISBN 0-87364-756-4
 
    Skinheads shaved for battle: a cultural history of American skinheads
        by Jack B. Moore
 
    Any ADL publication
 
MAGAZINE ARTICLES ABOUT WHITE POWER AND WHITE POWER SKINHEADS
-------------------------------------------------------------
 
    "Mainstream" Hatred by Mira L. Boland, ADL in The Police Chief
    magazine, June 1992 (other articles can be found in that issue
    and in other issues).
 
    Hitler's Offspring by Martin A. Lee in The Progressive, March 1993
 
    Hatred Rising: The Sound of Jackboots in Europe and Russia
        by Derek Ingram in World Press Review February 1994
 
    Inside South London's Nazi Headquarters
        in New Statesman and Society (British magazine) January 1993
 
    Long Day's Journey Into White by Kathy Dobie,
        in The Village Voice April 28, 1992
 
 
BOOKS AND ARTICLES OF INTEREST TO THOSE WITH A WHITE IDENTITY
(thought-provoking books and articles with supportive arguments)
----------------------------------------------------------------
 
  Articles:
    America's Changing Colors
       in Time magazine, 9 April 1990
 
    Can American Democracy Survive? by Bruce D. Porter
       in Commentary November 1993
 
    Race Unconsciousness and the White Male by Frederick R. Lynch
       in Society magazine Jan/Feb 1992
 
    Seeds of Racial Explosion by Timur Kuran
       in Society magazine October 1993
 
    The Ordeal of Immigration in Wausau by Roy Beck
       in The Atlantic Monthly, April 1994
 
    The American Family Transformed by David A. Hamburg
       in Society magazine Jan/Feb 1993
 
  Books:
    Ethnic Identity: The Transformation of White America
       by Richard D. Alba
 
    Tribes: How Race, Religion and Identity Determine Success in the
       New Global Economy by Joel Kotkin
 
WHITE POWER BOOKDEALERS
-----------------------
 
   Aryan Free Press Books, P.O. Box 6853 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
   National Vanguard Books, P.O. Box 330 Hillsboro WV 24946
 
   NS Publications, Box 27486 Milwaukee WI 53227
 
-- "Those who do not read have no advantage over those who cannot read." --
 
WHITE POWER NEWSLETTERS, NEWSPAPERS AND MAGAZINES
-------------------------------------------------
 
   Aryan Free Press Books P.O. Box 6853 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
   Aryan Nations/Church of Jesus Christ Christian
      P.O. Box 362 Hayden, Idaho 83835
 
   The Balance
      C/O Cause
      1101 Post Oak Blvd. Suite 9497
      Houston, TX 77056
 
   Instauration
   Howard Allen Enterprises, Inc.
   Box 76
   Cape Canaveral, Florida 32920
   $20/year students $30/year regular
 
   The Jubilee [ A wonderful Christian Identity newspaper ]
   P.O. Box 310
   Midpines, CA 95345
 
   National Vanguard
     by National Alliance P.O. Box 330 Hillsboro WV 24946
 
   New Order
     by NSDAP-AO P.O. Box 6414 Lincoln, Nebraska 68506
 
   NS Kindred P.O. Box 256 N.S.J. Ca 95960
 
   Plexus: A National Socialist Theoretical Journal
     by National Worker's League P.O. Box 642376 Omaha Ne 68164-8376
     
   Stormfront: Forecast for Tomorrow
   P.O. Box 6637
   West Palm Beach, FL 33405
   
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                       P.O. Box 24700
                       Detroit, Michigan
                       48224, U.S.A.
 
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MARTYRS: Those who gave their lives for their race
--------------------------------------------------
 
Kathy Ainsworth
 
Gordon Kahl
  Died: 3 June 1983
  Summary: A leader of the Posse Commitatus, Gordon Kahl was shot
    and immolated by the FBI.
 
Robert Jay Mathews
  Born: 16 January, 1949
  Died: 8 December 1984
  Summary: Founder of the Bruderschweigen (The Silent Brotherhood),
    sometimes called The Order. Bob Mathews fought for his racial
    nation until he was immolated by the FBI at a Whidbey Island
    shootout.
 
Samual Weaver
  Died: 21 August 1992
  Summary: 14-year old Samual was shot in the back by Feds who were
    trespassing on his father's property.
 
Vicki Weaver
  Died: 4 June 1983
  Summary: Shot in the face by Fed sniper Lon Haruchi while holding
    her baby.
 
 
 We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children
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> Ok, artie you asked for it.... 
 
Bye bye, Shawn. Say hello to my kill file.
 
Love always, Artie.


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   Do you listen to shortwave radio?  If you do, you may want to try out SFA's
show on W.H.R.I. on 7.315  or on W.I.N.B. 11.950.  They are both broadcast at 8
pm Mountain time.  You should especially tune in on Saturday night, the 11th
(Louis Beam is opening the event) and every night thereon through the 18th.
Scriptures for America will be broadcasting their camp meeting LIVE each night.
 
   This is especially interesting since a United Nations shortwave station out
of Costa Rica has been slandering and vilifying Pastor Peters, his family and
his ministry for weeks.  They have called his wife a whore-monger, himself the
"Pastor of hate" and have even gone so far as have some woman come on letting
people know of a group of people who happen to be getting together in the same
area of Montana during SFA's camp to plot to "assisinate the president".
 
    Peter's has been telling those who monitor his show from this U.N.
sponsored station to tune in Wednesday night during his camp broadcasts from
Montana and told them "If you think I am a 'Preacher of Hate' now, wait until
wednesday night..."
 
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 
Listen in for something interesting...
 
Arthur LeBouthillier


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Subject: Re: White Canada Awake!
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In article , cs932090@ariel.cs.yorku.ca (JOANNA I TIMARIU) writes:

> First of all, I'd like to note that I was glad to find someone who does
> not necessarely define the love of his own race as hate for the other
> races.
 
I've been here all along.
 
> Maybe the Inuit did not built heavy rock buildings and monuments of
> their own to "mark the terrain", but they were still here.
 
On what basis, then, can you say it is theirs? Merely because they
were here? Iand my people are here now. Moreover, there were no Indians
when Europeans arrived. Indians is a name that Europeans gave to the
widely scattered (yes widely scattered) tribes that were here. Nor was
there a Canada then. Canada was a country (a government declaring dominion
over a territory for the benefit of its citizens) that was started by
Europeans.
 
> They were the ancestors, not the British immigrants. Besides this, the
> British WERE immigrants, were they not?
 
Hardly, immigration is a legal process of acquiring government sanction
to live in a country. There was no country when we Europeans first came
(until we set several of them up). Properly, the first Europeans migrated
here.
 
> There was no white race in here before. So how can you put down
> immigration?!
 
Ever heard of Leif Erikson and Vinland? Or how about Maddoc the Welsh?
 
Besides, it is easy to put down immigration when it doesn't serve one's
needs. We should have that kind of immigration that benefits the White
race while shunning that immigration which is harmful to the White
race's necessities.
 
> Why utopian? Look around, take a trip on the subway, you'll see a
> beautiful rainbow of people.
 
Of course, that's a subjective opinion; I don't find the racial porridge
a "rainbow."
 
> Canada cherishes these differences.
 
Canada is an abstraction; abstractions don't cherish things. Obviously
the fact that numerous Canadians do not "cherish" those differences
(as expressed on this board) proves that your attempt to paint all
Canadians as "cherishing" that "rainbow" is incorrect. Some Canadians
might cherish it while others do not.
 
> I'm not happy with that, I am even more utopian then what you call
> Utopia : I want to see countries melt. But that's me.
 
Didn't you say you were a Jewish lesbian? Yes, that's you.
 
I don't consider that to be "utopian" but nightmarish.
 
>  I mean, if it was really a matter of survival then it woulkdn't be a
> petty matter. But it is not. It's a matter of who is on top.
 
For me, the issue is the survival of the White race. Being "on top" is
not my goal; I am perfectly willing to recognize rights of self-
determination for non-whites.
 
>  And the whole battle is a  tangle and a knot, because we'll never know
> what blood flows through whose veins. The battle of the species is a lost
> cause from the beginning.
 
Of course, you are misrepresenting the Cause which you are attempting to
belittle. The issue is the continuance of a people, their culture and
way of life. Existence requires struggle. That you have to struggle does
not mean that you have lost, but that you are alive.
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
Existence is Struggle.



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Subject: Re: Black and White Homelands
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In article <000313Z09061994@anon.penet.fi>, an101309@anon.penet.fi (JayMar) writes:

> I am a BLack Nationalist and I believe that the Black people in
> America must have their own land where they can have their own
> culture without you Whites stealing it.
 
I'm a White nationalist and I believe that we Whites should have our
own homeland so that we can promote our race and culture.
 
> I don't like White people at all and I consider most of you to be
> inferior. 
 
You're entitled to your beliefs.
 
> I am aware that some of you Whites would feel the same way about me,
 
Actually, we don't know you. It is a matter of principle that we desire
a White homeland.
 
> and also want a homeland for yourselves here in North America. I would
> be interested in hearing what some of you White Nationalists have to say
> aobut where your homeland woudl be since in this we seem to have a mutual
> goal.
 
Among us, there is a movement called "The Northwest Imperative." It states
that we racial Whites should form a homeland composed of the five states
of Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. Obviously, we want to
maximize our territory.
 
Lastly, I agree that we have common goals: the separation of our people's
from each other's embrace. I don't feel that we are enemies and that if
we show each other some mutual respect, then we can advance both of our
causes. Our enemies are not each other, but those who seek to destroy
both of our peoples by pitting us against each other.
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
People and Homeland



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> May be so, but I refered to them as Inuit Yes, maybe theye way that they
> conducted their lives seemed primitival and unworthy to  be considered,
> but in my eyes (and finally in the eyes of a growing number of people!)
> these tribes were the polished version of a very high - quality civilization.
 
I think you're unjustly glorifying them. They were at a stage of development
that we Europeans were about 5 thousand years ago.
 
> A perfect civilization, living in harmonious acordance with its surroudings,
> a civilization of a wonderful spirit.
 
Although I don't know about the Inuit, but slavery and warfare were common
among the "indians." Look, if you are so enamoured by their lifestyle, go
move to Brazil and live in the jungles with the Yanamamo (if they'll take
you); stop trying to destroy my nation.
 
> Did you know that until very recently the studies about the Inuit were
> placed under the insultory name of Anthropology?! Revolting.
 
So? What's your point? Anthropology is the study of man; are you saying
they aren't men?
 
> That's what you'll do when you guys will have your own little country   
> surrounded by the chicken wire that I was talking about previously.
 
Don't pretend that you know what I'll do or what the future will be like.
 
> No, what I actually said was that I was half-jewish and bisexual. Isn't
> this funny though? You pick just what you want to rub in my face.
 
No, the fact that you have rejected the roles and values of my society are
very valid when you're comparing it to other societies. It is indicative
that you probably have a specific agenda in your rhetoric. I am merely
very open in letting people know what my agenda is so that they know how
to properly interpret what I am saying: I am for the survival of the
White race ahead of all other interests.
 
> Everything you say it's valid - to the point where it implies that other
> people have to be hurt. No nationalistic dream is worth having someone
> being hurt because of it.
 
I happen to think that my people's interests stand above all other interests.
I don't think you're any different; you appear to want to benefit the
"Inuit" at the expense of White people. It is all very fine when the Inuit
want a homeland; people like you probably drool with delight at that Cause.
But when we Whites say that we want one, you misrepresent our Cause and
try to represent it as hate.
 
> No nationalistic dream deserves bloodshed.
 
The enemies of my nation make bloodshed necessary. However, no blood
need be shed if they will merely acquiesce on our demands for five
NorthWestern states.
 
Besides, your lovely "Indians" certainly felt blood should have been
shed to chase off the White man when we first came to this continent.
Are you going to tell them that they shouldn't have not wanted us here?
Are you going to tell the Indians that no White blood need have been
shed to protect their race?
 
> And it seems to me that people supporting nationalism or this CAuse
> you're talking about won't stop to count the victims that might fall
> on the way to up there.
 
What about the victims of the left's silly Causes? How many victims are
there of those? How many people destroyed by drugs? How many children
destroyed by broken families? How many unborn babies destroyed by the
abortions that they promote? Actually, significantly more deaths are
attributable to your "borderless" grey-raced utopia than in all of the
nationalist wars, ever. The problem isn't that there are nations, but
that people like you don't want to respect people's wishes to live in
national groups.
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
The White race must survive.


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Date: 9 Jun 94 23:55:40 PST
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In article <09JUN94.19500043.0066@IBM.UTM.EDU>, Sylvia Rowe  writes:

Welcome Aryan comrade,
 
> There has been a lot of talk for too long about the desire for a white
> homeland, but I still see us stuck in the same place we were 10 years
> ago.
 
We must forego all of the losing strategies and tactics of the past and
develop new, but ultimately effective, solutions to our continuing problem.
The only criterium of value is success.
 
> When are we going to collectively realize that nothing is going
> to be handed to us on a silver platter?
 
Some of us already do realize that and we fight daily to promote our
people's cause.
 
> We are in control of our destiny, but all anyone ever seems to want to
> do is to sit around on the weekends and get drunk.
 
I, and my associates, gave up drinking long ago. The future is what we
make of it.
 
> The time is coming for white men and women to wake up and start
> educating themselves.
 
I agree wholeheartedly. We must become successful professionals in the
Cause of our people.
 
> We need to start taking care of ourselves and our people, before it is
> too late! Look at the state this country is in now...do we really want
> that to be the legacy for our children?
 
I agree that we must chart our own course and pursue it. We have a
responsibility to prepare the way for future generations.
 
> So what, you might ask, is there to do? The answer is obvious! Start
> educating yourselves and learn to be self-sufficient. We will never be
> free from ZOG's control until we can manage for ourselves.
 
Yes, how can we lead our people to freedom if we can't lead ourselves?
If we don't have the determination and discipline to direct ourselves,
how can we expect to direct our people?
 
Perhaps this is one of the effective projects that we could collectively
perform on this internet: the development of an educational program for
the benefit of new-comers and the uneducated. I think our Movement needs
a small series of booklets which are non-partisan and fairly representative
of our Movement, its goals and the important knowledge and skills necessary
to promote it. Any one of the members of our Movement should be able to
answer on demand:
 
   1) What are the goals of your Movement?
   2) What is your role in the Movement?
   3) When will you know you have attained your goals?
 
Just as an experiment, ask one of your associates some of the questions
above and see what kind of response you get. I have asked "seasoned
veterans" these questions and have not been able to get good answers.
My own experience with educating people is for a group of about 5 people
(no more than that) to get together and seriously discuss the basic
cause and techniques of our Movement among each other in a serious manner
for about an hour every week or two. After a few weeks of doing this on the
weekends, everyone can clearly state the goals and other important aspects
of our Movement and they have a renewed vitality for fighting.
 
Our comrades should have knowledge of
 
   1) The goals of the Movement and the good for which it fights
   2) The means to attaining the ends of the Movement
   3) Their role in attaining the goals.
   4) Basic history of their people and their movement
   5) Basic security procedures
 
They should also have developed several important skills:
 
   1) Public speaking
   2) Public debate
   3) Analytical reasoning
   4) security skills
   5) Group activity skills
 
Once we have this basic information developed, we must drill and educate
our newcomers. This way, the can become effective fighters.
 
We must be visionary and effective in our task. We must not toss aside
ideas merely because they were developed by our enemies. We must clearly
define our goals, assess our current capabilities, improve on our
deficiencies, and complete the plans necessary to bring success.
 
However, we must also learn from our enemies' criticisms of us since
they examine us much more harshly than we ourselves do. As one respondent
to your post said, we are divided and without a common goal. I disagree
with him. First, we have a common goal:
 
                     The White race must survive.
 
What we lack is a coherent and common plan of securing that goal. I think
it is fair to say that all in our Movement, once definitions are cleared
up, will agree on another goal:
 
       We must have our own territory where we are self-governing.
 
Second, the only issues of debate in our Movement are not what the ends
are; they are obvious; the issue lies in the means to attain those
ends. To me, the means are somewhat obvious. They have been worked out
repeatedly in various other nationalist Movements around the world. I 
do not only mean the National Socialist model, but the Irish Nationalist
model, various Black, Asian and Arabic nationalist models, or any other
successful nationalist or political movement.
 
We must work to be professionals at the task to which we have dedicated
our lives. We must know how to state and explain our ends, relate them
to other similar ends of similar movements around the world, comparatively
analyze how they have attained their ends and develop our own plan of
action. We must implement those plans and we must bring them to successful
completion. Conversely, we must understand our enemies, what means they
use against us, what means can be used to make them ineffective and, finally,
make them ineffective at stopping us.
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
                                  APendragon
                          AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


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In article , cs932090@ariel.cs.yorku.ca (JOANNA I TIMARIU) writes:

> Would you kindly explain to me why is someone that demands so violently
> their "separatist rights" not driven by prejudice and fear towards the
> party he wants to stay separated from?
 
Because they have different ideals. If anyone is driven by prejudice
and fear, it would appear to be you. You have continuously misrepresented
our cause either due to maliciousness or ignorance, and you appear to
fear what we represent. If anyone fears another, it is YOU who fears
White identity and White securing their common interests.
 
> Nobody is denying nobody the right to live as they want. To the point
> where this right of your spills in the domain where people will be hurt
> if it would be exercited.
 
Joanna if you truly understood what rights were, you wouldn't say that.
Perhaps you should read some Rousseau or some other political science
work to understand what it is that you are talking about.
 
Governments violate rights in order to maintain their power. Here, in
America, they violate property and association rights in order to ensure
their power over the multi-racial empire they are creating. The very
process of extorting taxes and spending them in ways that are against my
interests is a violation of basic rights. However, people like you find
such violations acceptable in order to maintain "The Empire." I don't care
about "The Empire" and I will not permit the violation of my rights in
ways that are clearly against my legitimate interests.
 
Arthur LeBouthillier


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Subject: Re: White Women
Date: 12 Jun 94 22:14:10 PST
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In article <1994Jun13.013934.25591@aber.ac.uk>, sdb3@aber.ac.uk (sdb3) writes:
 
> I am an Aryan woman. I have blonde hair, blue eyes and pale skin. But there's
> nothing I like better than a big black man to have sex with. They're so much
> better hung than you scrawny little white shits. 
> 
> HOORAY FOR INTER-RACIAL BABY MAKING!!!!!!

May all your children be lovely and black then (at least then they will
never be 


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In article <1994Jun13.013934.25591@aber.ac.uk>, sdb3@aber.ac.uk (sdb3) writes:

When those of you who are concerned about the future of your country
and your race see them decaying into a third-world garbage pit, reserve
a special burning hatred in your heart for people like this:
 
> I am an Aryan woman. I have blonde hair, blue eyes and pale skin. But
> there's nothing I like better than a big black man to have sex with.
> They're so much better hung than you scrawny little white shits.
 
As you can see, this "fine" woman(?) has nothing but a seething hatred
for you and your kind. She(?) not only wants to destroy everything that
you stand for, she wants to belittle and destroy YOU with her(?) childish
attempts to demean you.
 
> HOORAY FOR INTER-RACIAL BABY MAKING!!!!!!
 
The destruction that you see is not an accident, it is not a natural
progression, but an outright and spiteful plan of hateful people like
this.
 
> You are all racist scum. I hope you rot in hell.
 
She(?) is the true race hater; she hates the White race. Our racism,
the attempt to secure our people's welfare and destiny stands as a
heart-warming love next to the bone-chilling hatred of this creature.
 
> Live together with your fellow man/woman in peace.
 
There can never be peace between us and people like this; we cannot
make peace until we can be assured that our race and kin are free
from the clutch of hateful people like this. There can never be any
security for our people until we are free of these anti-Whites.
 
> Live and let live. Don't be such cocks.
 
"Live and let live" this creep says as she(?) advocates the destruction
of all that we see as good. The so-called "love and peace" crowd are
themselves the biggest haters.
 
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                          AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
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>> I think you're unjustly glorifying them. They were at a stage of
>> development that we Europeans were about 5 thousand years ago.
>
> You're overestimating your race as usual.
 
No, I'm stating a fact. The indians didn't even conceive of the wheel
as a tool. Most of them had no written languages. Their level of social
organization was nothing that we Whites didn't have about 5 thousand
years ago (or that other peoples hadn't developed even earlier).
 
> I believe that the Inuit have reached a final stage of civilization,
> one probable future that would not have had to deal with shitty things
> like pollution and capitalism and mustard gas.
 
"A final stage of civilization?" Did they go through their industrial
stage already? Had they gotten beyond the clan as a social organization?
 
I'm not going to explain the basics of anthropology to you (it's not my
field). But suffice it to say that the Inuit never developed beyond the
hunter-gatherer stage. It is not that they had reached a "final stage
of civilization" but that they hadn't developed out of the first one.
 
> But I understand that you wouldn't have chosed this future if you were
> to chose any path of happenings. Very well.
 
You're right, I wouldn't choose that as an ideal. That they are/were
imperiled is proof of their weakness. Such a social system is incapable
of dealing with the more productive social organization of industrial
societies.
 
> Slavery? Not that I know of . . 
 
You better start reading some more.
 
> Warfare was nothing , compared with what the rest of the world could
> come up with, beginning from the Crucides and ending with the World
> War ii.
 
Oh right. Like suffering from a gangreened/mangled arm resulting from
warfare with primitive weapons without benefit of anti-biotics and/or
painkillers was much nicer.
 
> You're confusing a lifestyle close to the heart of the earth with a life
> in misery. Think again.
 
Believe me, I'm not. Besides, the earth has no heart. Stop writing in
metaphors and similes and then you'll begin to understand the errors of
your thinking.
 
> But dear, I don't give a damn on what roles and values did your society
> chose for me.
 
Like I said, you're not a member (by your own admission). The values,
mores, norms and beliefs you advance and advocate have nothing to do
with promoting my society. In fact, what you are advocating is outright
hostile to it. Hence, your statements are largely meaningless and not
very welcome for promoting a society based on my European heritage and
bloodline.
 
> I am merely for "I'll ignore you until you will attempt to hurt me
> whilst in your quest for self-glorification".
 
Then ignore me; don't be a hypocrite.
 
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                          AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: White Women
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> Dear scared little child; 
 
I had to read your post twice before I realized you were talking to me.
Uhh....I don't think so.
 
> But.. hatred is bad.  Later on in the message you were rambling
> on about how *you're* not the ones condoning hatred.  Oh well..
 
I didn't say that hatred is bad. It is a natural and human emotion
which is no less important than any other emotion. What is bad is
their goal. I was merely pointing that hatred is no less a motivator
for those who are opposed to White identity and a positive White society.
 
> People like you have way too much pride for your own good.
 
There are two problems with what you say:
 
    1) That the issue is pride
    2) Who the hell are you to decide when someone has "too much pride?"
       Who died and made you the Pride King?
 
> Can you laugh at yourself once in a while?
 
I am quite satisfied with myself and don't need your amateur
psychoanalysis to examine myself.
 
> I know I can.. Watch: I'm a scrawny white shit.  Ha ha ha ha.
 
I agree you are. Ha ha ha.
 
> I don't care.  Having excessive pride is just stupid.. Especially
> when you don't *deserve* it.  What have you honestly done to deserve
> all this pride and this massive ego?  Trying to preserve the white race?
> I really don't think there's much threat of it disappearing off the face
> of the earth any day soon.. And if you're afraid of that (which you seem
> to be), then you're a paranoid delusionary nutcase and you should probably
> seek some help.       
 
Have you ever heard of the strawman technique? It results when someone
(such as yourself) posits a statement (i.e. that my problem is pride) and
then goes on to develop a whole lot of meaningless garbage from it (like
the rest of that paragraph).
 
> So just because she likes black men more than white men it's an
> outright and spiteful plan?  Err.. No, it's her preference.  I'm sure
> you have preferences as well.  Hers just happen to be different.  What
> the hell is wrong with that?  We all have to be exactly the same as you?
> Oh, I forgot who I'm talking to.. 
 
Yours is a meaningless argument. If the issue is merely an expression of
preferences, why the fuck are you blathering on about stupid shit merely
because I was expressing my preferences?
 
No, the issue is ideals and the future and where we are going as a society
and the future of one particular people: Whites. She and you advocate
values, policies and visions which I flat out reject as being bad and
harmful to the White race.
 
> Oh, shut up.  I've heard it a million times before and each time
> the adjectives just get better and better.  "Our racism is a kinder,  
> gentler kind of racism."  You sound like a fucking documentary.    
 
No, you shut up you ignorant twit. You haven't heard anything a million
times. My racism is good because racism is good; it is the promotion of
one's race (which is an older way of saying ethnic nation).
 
> The thing is, you're afraid and extremely selfish.  You'd rather
> segregate yourself from all other races who may not be as well off as  
> yours happen to be instead of sharing and trying to help them out.
 
You don't know anything about me and already you are "diagnosing" me.
Although you would like to portray it as such, my racial idealism is not
a disease. It is a choice.
 
> Don't give me this "I'm off to save the Earth" bullshit, because you're
> just trying to put a little backbone into your otherwise spineless and
> selfish argument.
 
Fuck the earth. White First!
 
> The facts are that the White race has had a lot of advantages and still
> does today.  This didn't come from us being superior or being better.
 
Strawman. I never said that the issue was one of superiority. Moreover,
whatever advantages the White race has is because it gave it to itself;
I intend to follow in this tradition of securing the best future for future
generations of Whites.
 
> It came from us being greedy and stupid enough to try and keep everyone
> else down.  So now we have these advantages which we should use to help
> the *human* race. 
 
It is the human specie, not race. You're clearly ridiculous; on the one
hand you try to imply that racism is bad, yet you use racist arguments
to promote the human specie. Get a clue.
 
Moreover, don't put words in my mouth and tell me what I believe. You
act as if you can read my mind. You can't. You should shut up and listen
to what I'm saying before you go off on your half-cocked anti-White tirade.
 
> We all deserve to be equals.    
 
Exactly. We Whites deserve a homeland and self-rule just like everyone
else in the world is entitled to. Stop being a hypocrite.
 
> Heh.  Why, what are they going to do?  Make you feel bad about yourself?
> And what security do you need?  You want a promise signed by all races
> saying, "we solemnly promise not to completely annihilate your race or
> perpetuate the stereotype that black people have bigger penises than
> you.."?  I don't get it.
 
No, you don't get it. But that's your problem. What are they going to do?
They're going to invade our homeland and eat up resources that our
forebearers fought for. They are going to create a society that has no
interest in promoting my nation and its ideals. They are going to subvert
the purposes for which the Constitution was created. They are going to
change the culture to suit their needs. They're going to take away our
political self-determination. All with the help of people like you.
 
What I want is a White nation-state. Whether anyone else in the world
likes that or not, I will fight for it. They don't have to like it, they
don't have to promise anything. They can call me all the bad names that
they want and perpetuate any stereotypes they want; I won't care.
 
> You seem pretty unclear of the concepts of nature and life and the
> natural course of nature.  Species' of animals die out.
 
Oh! Now we're going to hear some lame liberal argument based on Social
Darwinism. Fool, don't argue stupidities for which you are ill-prepared.
 
> You're a very scared person.  I find it's a common trait in White
> Supremacists.. You're afraid someone's going to destroy your race or
> what not.
 
There are times that I'm afraid; mostly when I look at the mess that
people like you seem to find so acceptable. When I look at the kind
of future that people like you are creating, yes, I am afraid. When
I realize the hostility that people who should be my own kinsmen express
towards the ideal of our people, first I'm afraid, then I'm angry.
 
> Also a common trait is excessive patriotism for your nationality or
> race.  Which is, again, stupid.  Why bother?  Why care?  If you're   
> concerned that you're getting a raw deal because minorities are bringing
> your country down why don't stop being such a selfish bastard and try and
> help the entire world and not just your pathetic little race?
 
So, like you said, why bother? why care? Why are you wasting your time
talking to me? If we win, we win, if they win, they win? Right? Stop
your silly little half-wit arguments.
 
Look, it's real simple. I believe in a nation founded on race. Of course
anything that is good is a thing that must be protected and promoted.
That's what I believe. My responsibility isn't to the rest of the world
but to my people first.
 
>  I must have missed the part in her message where she advocated 
> the destruction of all you see as good.  Feel free to quote it to me.
 
There was a lot that you missed in my post but that didn't stop you
from fabricating what you wanted to see.
 
> I know writing this message was an utter waste of time, but I
> have no life and afterschool cartoons haven't started yet.  I also
> know that if any of you groovy White Supremacists actually respond
> to this you're going to misquote me, take me out of context and such
> and such.   You're quite good at that, I've noticed.
 
As are you race-mixers.
 
>  Whites aren't in any danger regardless of what you've been told.
 
Contrary to what YOU'VE been told, the future is not rosy. If you would
like some statistics, I'll provide them, assuming that you show a
reasonable amount of rationality; otherwise, I won't waste my time.
 
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Subject: FAQ: WHITE POWER 2.6.94
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                 FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS: WHITE POWER
 
                        Last Update: 2 June 1994
 
RECENT UPDATES
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 - Added Book: Armed and Dangerous by James Coates
 - Added Book: Skinheads shaved for battle
 - Added Bookdealer: NS Publications
 - Added Newspaper: The Jubilee
 - New Music service: Nordic Wolfpack!
 - Added Category: Books, Articles of Interest to those with a White identity
    - Added Article: Race Unconsciousness and the White Male
    - Added Article: America's Changing Colors
    - Added Article: The Seeds of Racial Explosion
    - Added Article: The Ordeal of Immigration in Wausau
    - Added Article: The American Family Transformed
    - Added Article: Can American Democracy Survive?
    - Added Book: Ethnic Identity: The transformation of White America
    - Added Book: Tribes
  - Added Martyr: Kathy Ainsworth
  - Corrected numerous typographic errors
 
WHITE POWER
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What is White Power?
 
   White Power is an empowering philosophy of White racial nationalism and
   ethnicity. It refers to a diverse range of philosophies from leftist
   National Socialism, to White Pride, to rightist White Supremacy. Perhaps
   the simplest imperative about what White Power stands for exists in
   the "14 words" coined by former Bruder Schweigen member, David Lane:
 
                  We must secure the existence of our people
                  and a future for White children.
 
Where does the term White Power come from?
 
   Although it is possibly a response to black nationalist Stokely
   Carmichael's book _Black_Power_, the phrase "White Power" was a
   popular term coined by participants at a George Lincoln Rockwell
   rally in Marquedt Park, Illinois in 1967. Spontaneously the
   attendants started rallying behind the call for White Power. It
   has been a popular phrase since then and was the title of George
   Lincoln Rockwell's book _White_Power_.
 
What is an Aryan?
 
   Aryan is a term that many ancient Indo-European peoples called
   themselves. It means "good," "best," or "noble." The ancient
   Hindus called themselves Aryans and derivitives of this term
   are evident in the country-names of Erin (Ireland) and Iran (Aryan).
   Today, some people of the European branch of Indo-Europeans call
   themselves that as a unique indicator of who they are and what their
   racial ideals are.
 
What is ZOG?
 
   ZOG (for Zionist Occupation Government ) is a euphemism for those
   governments which purport to represent white people while actually
   subscribing to an anti-white agenda. These governments often put
   "Israel First," while seconding the interests and desires of racial
   and nationalist whites for the interests of multi-racial societies and
   world government.
 
Aren't all White Power advocates White supremacists?
 
    No. Supremacy refers to an alleged right to rule over other races.
    Although some White Power people are White Supremacists, many are
    not. Those who are not supremacists are actually White nationalists or
    separatists and advocate for the formation of a White homeland in
    a manner which does not deny the human rights of non-whites.
 
What differences are there in White Power groups?
 
   There are many different viewpoints collected under the term White Power.
   A few of the philosophical viewpoints are:
 
    Supremacists - Supremacist arguments state that the White race is
       inherently superior and therefore is justified in ruling over
       other peoples. They often state that Whites assuming power over
       all of the earth's inhabitants is doing them a favor since Whites
       are the only people superior enough to make good judgements.
 
    National Socialists - based on Adolf Hitler's doctrine as outlined
       in his book Mein Kampf, the adherents of this viewpoint often
       don't see this as a "right-wing" cause but rather as a racially
       progressive left-wing movement. National Socialism is founded
       on several doctrines: nationalism, the long-view of history and
       racism. It adheres to the viewpoint of The Leader Principle
       whereby a people are best led by strong leaders rather than by
       their inherent weaknesses which democracy brings out.
 
    Christian Identity - this religious doctrine believes that Whites
       are the true Israelites described in the bible. It adheres to a
       doctrine of two-creations in Genesis whereby God created all of
       the other animals and races and then created the Adamic (White)
       race. They cite the fact that Adam means "able to show blood in
       the face" which would refer uniquely to the White race. They also
       believe that Jesus's message has become corrupted because he did
       not come for all peoples, but as said in Matthew 15:24 "I am not
       sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
 
    White Nationalists - this refers to a number of ideological viewpoints
       which view the White race as an ethnic nation which must have its
       own homeland in order to survive. Its adherents believe that the
       only state which can legitimately represent the White race is one
       which is purposely organized to represent it.
 
    Separatists - this catch-all identifier applies to many people who
       are not ideological at all. They merely recognize that we Whites
       are a different people and that we must survive as a people. They
       advocate the separation of the races, usually in different
       homelands for the different races. Some separatists advocate
       "The Northwest Imperative" which calls for the formation of a
       White homeland in the Pacific Northwest.
 
    Often, many of these viewpoints are expressed within a single group.
    The members of these groups bring differing ideas about what the goals
    of White Power should be, what programs can best attain its ideals,
    what a good White society is and how a White nation-state should be
    organized. But, despite these differences they are all agreed on one
    point: The White race must survive.
 
What is a race?
 
    The word race derives from the Spanish word raza which means "line."
    It refers to genetic lineage. A race is a lineal ethnic group which
    because of its genetic heritage, exhibits unique phenotypic features
    or patterns. However, despite these genetic features, race also
    refers to an ethnicity and an ethnic identity that is based on these
    features. As racists use the term, it is not equivalent to the
    biological word "race" which is merely a sub-breeding group of a
    species. Although as racists use the term a race is a sub-breeding
    group of the human species, it also refers to a set of group ideals
    and norms consistent with the maintenance of that ethnic group.
 
What is racism?
 
    Racism is the promotion of a race and its interests. It refers to a
    desire to maintain a unique ethnic identity closely bound to the
    physical characteristics that define that group. It also refers to
    a whole body of social norms which are consistent with maintaining
    that group and promoting a society which is consistent with racial
    ideals.
 
What is race-mixing?
 
    Race-mixing is the mixing of races, also known as miscegenation.
    The term "race-mixer" refers to those who advocate mixed-race
    societies as an ideal and those who engage in sexual relations with
    those of other races. Race-mixing is highly frowned upon by racists
    and race-mixers are often severely admonished.
 
What is a Hammerskin?
 
   In Pink Floyd's _The_Wall_ movie, there is a video segment sung to
   the tune "Up against the Wall," where Pink takes on the visage of
   a powerful leader. During this sequence, hundreds of skinheads march
   through the street and chase the "Pakis" (Pakistanis) out of England.
   Although the movie is largely opposed to that viewpoint, young skinheads
   were emboldened by the image of strength and came to call themselves
   Hammerskins. As these groups spread throughout the U.S. and Canada,
   they took on regional prefixes like: Western Hammerskins, Northern
   Hammerskins, Confederate Hammerskins and other names.
 
Why do you hate?
Why do you hate Jews?
Why do you hate Blacks?
Why do you hate everybody?
 
   White Power advocates love their race. Because of that, they are
   strongly opposed to any attempts to harm it by means of loss of
   territory, loss of economic or political self-determination, loss
   of cultural identity, disenfranchisement or race mixing. In order to
   preserve their race and its interests, they are often willing to engage
   in hostile acts against perceived threats to it.
 
Why don't you get a life?
 
    White Power advocates do have lives which are based on different
    principles and ideals from those of race-mixers.
 
CONTEMPORARY BOOKS ON WHITE POWER
---------------------------------
 
The following are somewhat "objective" in their appraisal of White Power
advocates:
 
    Blood In the Face by James Ridgeway
 
    The New Reich: Violent Extremism in unified Germany and beyond
        by Michael Schmidt
 
    Skinheads shaved for battle: a cultural history of American Skinheads
	by Jack B. Moore
 
    The Silent Brotherhood: Inside America's Racist Underground
        by Kevin Flynn and Gary Gerhardt
 
    Is God a racist?: the right wing in Canada
        by Stanley R. Barrett
 
The following are heavily biased against White Power and often misrepresent it:
 
    Armed and Dangerous: The rise of the survivalist right
        by James Coates
 
    Brotherhood of Murder
        by Thomas Martineze with John Guinther
 
    Free to Hate: The rise of the right in post-communist Eastern Europe
        by Paul Hockenos
 
    Skinhead Streetgangs
        by Loren Christensen. Paladin Books ISBN 0-87364-756-4
 
    Skinheads shaved for battle: a cultural history of American skinheads
        by Jack B. Moore
 
    Any ADL publication
 
MAGAZINE ARTICLES ABOUT WHITE POWER AND WHITE POWER SKINHEADS
-------------------------------------------------------------
 
    "Mainstream" Hatred by Mira L. Boland, ADL in The Police Chief
    magazine, June 1992 (other articles can be found in that issue
    and in other issues).
 
    Hitler's Offspring by Martin A. Lee in The Progressive, March 1993
 
    Hatred Rising: The Sound of Jackboots in Europe and Russia
        by Derek Ingram in World Press Review February 1994
 
    Inside South London's Nazi Headquarters
        in New Statesman and Society (British magazine) January 1993
 
    Long Day's Journey Into White by Kathy Dobie,
        in The Village Voice April 28, 1992
 
 
BOOKS AND ARTICLES OF INTEREST TO THOSE WITH A WHITE IDENTITY
(thought-provoking books and articles with supportive arguments)
----------------------------------------------------------------
 
  Articles:
    America's Changing Colors
       in Time magazine, 9 April 1990
 
    Can American Democracy Survive? by Bruce D. Porter
       in Commentary November 1993
 
    Race Unconsciousness and the White Male by Frederick R. Lynch
       in Society magazine Jan/Feb 1992
 
    Seeds of Racial Explosion by Timur Kuran
       in Society magazine October 1993
 
    The Ordeal of Immigration in Wausau by Roy Beck
       in The Atlantic Monthly, April 1994
 
    The American Family Transformed by David A. Hamburg
       in Society magazine Jan/Feb 1993
 
  Books:
    Ethnic Identity: The Transformation of White America
       by Richard D. Alba
 
    Tribes: How Race, Religion and Identity Determine Success in the
       New Global Economy by Joel Kotkin
 
WHITE POWER BOOKDEALERS
-----------------------
 
   Aryan Free Press Books, P.O. Box 6853 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
   National Vanguard Books, P.O. Box 330 Hillsboro WV 24946
 
   NS Publications, Box 27486 Milwaukee WI 53227
 
-- "Those who do not read have no advantage over those who cannot read." --
 
WHITE POWER NEWSLETTERS, NEWSPAPERS AND MAGAZINES
-------------------------------------------------
 
   Aryan Free Press Books P.O. Box 6853 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
   Aryan Nations/Church of Jesus Christ Christian
      P.O. Box 362 Hayden, Idaho 83835
 
   The Balance
      C/O Cause
      1101 Post Oak Blvd. Suite 9497
      Houston, TX 77056
 
   Instauration
   Howard Allen Enterprises, Inc.
   Box 76
   Cape Canaveral, Florida 32920
   $20/year students $30/year regular
 
   The Jubilee [ A wonderful Christian Identity newspaper ]
   P.O. Box 310
   Midpines, CA 95345
 
   National Vanguard
     by National Alliance P.O. Box 330 Hillsboro WV 24946
 
   New Order
     by NSDAP-AO P.O. Box 6414 Lincoln, Nebraska 68506
 
   NS Kindred P.O. Box 256 N.S.J. Ca 95960
 
   Plexus: A National Socialist Theoretical Journal
     by National Worker's League P.O. Box 642376 Omaha Ne 68164-8376
     
   Stormfront: Forecast for Tomorrow
   P.O. Box 6637
   West Palm Beach, FL 33405
   
   WAR P.O. Box 65 Fallbrook Ca. 92088
 
   The War Eagle P.O. Box 6881 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
 
MUSIC, T-SHIRTS, SKINZINES
--------------------------
 
For North American White Power music, contact:
 
                       Krowbar Records
                       P.O. Box 40383
                       Baton Rouge, Louisiana
                       70835-0383, USA
 
                       Nordic Wolfpack!
                       P.O. Box 8
                       13143 Monk, Piereefonds
                       Montreal, Quebec
                       H8Z 1T4 Canada
 
                       Resistance Records
                       P.O. Box 24700
                       Detroit, Michigan
                       48224, U.S.A.
 
                       Totenkopf Services
                       1040 S. Mount Vernon
                       Suite 123
                       Colton, CA
                       92324, USA
 
For all Skrewdriver T-Shirts or CD's, contact:
 
                       Renewal of Identity (R.I.D.)
                       P.O. Box 249
                       Derby DE21 9EG
                       England
 
For the latest in White Power music, read:
 
                      Blood & Honour
                      B.M. Box 5608
                      London, WC1 3XX
                      England
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Blood & Honor
                      P.O. Box 1234
                      Long Beach, CA
                      90801 USA
 
                      $3.00/issue US and Canada
                      $4.00/issue International
                      $18.00/6 issues US and Canada
                      $24.00/6 issues International
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Rampage: A Skinhead Voice
                      P.O. Box 19
                      Coalville
                      Leicester LE67 1DS
                      England
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      SledgeHammer: The Voice of the White Nations,
                      by the Northern Hammer Skins
                      PO Box 428
                      Gatineau Quebec, J8P 7A1 Canada
 
                      $25.00/yr. (12 issues) in Canada
                      $30.00/yr. U.S.
                      $35.00/yr. Overseas
                      All rates are in Canadian funds
    
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Resistance
                      The Music Magazine of the True Alternative
                      P.O. Box 24700
                      Detroit, Michigan 48224 USA
 
                      $12.00/yr (4 issues)
 
                      Resistance is one of the best quality White Power
                      music magazines around.
 
 
HOTLINES ( Telephone numbers to hear a White Power message )
------------------------------------------------------------
 
                      WAR (White Aryan Resistance)
                      Fallbrook, California, USA
                      (619) 723-8996
 
                      Equal Rights for Whites
                      Canada
                      (416) 699-4868
 
                      Euro-Canadian Action Line
                      Canada
                      (416) 631-3545
 
                      Info Line for Shows & Events
                      (416) 631-3927
 
POWS   Soldiers captured while fighting for their racial nation
----   --------------------------------------------------------
 
   David Tate W/155209                Frank Silva #09993-016
   Missouri State Prison              B2 Room 422
   P.O. Box 900                       P.O. Box PMB
   Jefferson City, MO 65102           Atlanta, GA 30315
 
 
   David Lane #12873-057              Bruce Pierce 04181-085
   P.O. Box 1000                      P.O. Box 1000
   Leavenworth, KS 66048              Marion, IL 62959
 
 
   Randy Evans 09882-016              Gary Yarbrough
   P.O. Box 1000                      #09883-016 US PEN.
   Marion, IL 62959                   A-206 P.O. Box 1000
                                      Leavenworth, KS 66048
 
   Yorie Von Kahl 04565-059           Richard Scutari
   Box 1000, J-3 Unit                 #34840-080
   Lewisburg, PA 17837                P.O. Box 1000
                                      Marion, IL 62959
 
MARTYRS: Those who gave their lives for their race
--------------------------------------------------
 
Kathy Ainsworth
 
Gordon Kahl
  Died: 3 June 1983
  Summary: A leader of the Posse Commitatus, Gordon Kahl was shot
    and immolated by the FBI.
 
Robert Jay Mathews
  Born: 16 January, 1949
  Died: 8 December 1984
  Summary: Founder of the Bruderschweigen (The Silent Brotherhood),
    sometimes called The Order. Bob Mathews fought for his racial
    nation until he was immolated by the FBI at a Whidbey Island
    shootout.
 
Samual Weaver
  Died: 21 August 1992
  Summary: 14-year old Samual was shot in the back by Feds who were
    trespassing on his father's property.
 
Vicki Weaver
  Died: 4 June 1983
  Summary: Shot in the face by Fed sniper Lon Haruchi while holding
    her baby.
 
 
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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: White Women
Date: 14 Jun 94 21:56:53 PST
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>> I had to read your post twice before I realized you were talking to      
>> me. Uhh....I don't think so.
>  
> Sorry, next time I'll address it to, MISTER scared little child.
 
"Your highness" will suffice.
 
> When they're telling me that they're superior to everyone else.
> THAT'S when there's too much pride.
 
So on what basis can you make that assesment? Are you saying that
you are so superior that you are better able to judge than myself
what my motivations are?
 
You have yet to have shown that I have made any statements of the sort.
 
> I was elected.
 
That's the problem with democracy.
 
>> I am quite satisfied with myself and don't need your amateur
>> psychoanalysis to examine myself.
>
> You must have very low standards.
 
Yeah, but they're MY standards.
 
>  Ouch.  Make fun of my hair too.. I really hate that.
 
O.K. You've got a funny haircut and your mother dresses you funny.
 
> Then what is it called when a person (such as yourself) has an
> entirely unrealistic view of the entire Earth and the people on it?
 
Foresight? I don't know; you tell me. Again, it appears that you are
fabricating what you believe my viewpoint to be.
 
>  What is it called when ignorant fools like yourself who have educated
> themselves in such a way so as to avoid all logical thought so that they
> can take the most biased and self-centered opinions? Like, say.. 'Fuck
> the earth. White First!'
 
You have yet to have shown the non-logical thought that you are claiming.
 
However, are you trying to say that your viewpoint isn't biased? Moreover,
my viewpoint ISN'T self-centered, it's White-Centered.
 
> Because blathering on about stupid shit is what I enjoy doing.
 
As long as you're willing to admit it.
 
> You blather on about stupid shit as well and you try to pretend it
> ISN'T.  That's the worst part.
 
I didn't say that did I?
 
> Right. Bingo. And that's where the problem lies.  In the sanctity
> and *pride* you place in the White race.
 
Yes, I place sanctity in the White race (what an evil person). Obviously
you want to place sanctity in something other than the White race. I have
a different set of values and ideals from you. From my position, it is
YOU who is misguided. Finally, pride is also an important and vital
emotion (just like hate). It is the result that one feels for performing
actions which are consistent with one's ideals. The pride that one feels
for one's people is the result of knowing that one is abiding by those
principles which are positive and wholesome toward them. Are you going
to try to say that pride is a bad thing?
 
> It's utterly stupid and pathetic.  That's what I was addressing.  All
> of your ideas and opinions stem from one pathetically stupid view..
 
Your ideas are utterly stupid and pathetic (by the way, that's a damn
good argument).
 
> That the White race is superior in some way.  That's where the problem
> is.
 
You have yet to have shown that I have made any such statement. That's
where YOUR problem is.
 
I have said that the White race must survive; that is not an argument
of superiority. If that were, then any argument which says that a thing
must survive is an argument of superiority. Obviously, you would be a
Brad superiorist, Earth Superiorist and a Human Race superiorist and I
would be a White Superiorist. However, the word loses all meaning if we
use your criteria for its application.
 
>    Why does one race matter more than another?  Simply because you're
> a member of it?
 
Why does anything matter more than another? Why does the earth mean more
than the White race? Why does the rest of the human species matter more
than another. Why does the human specie matter more than another? As is
typical, you show a marked inability to properly prioritize.
 
   It is my opinion that the White race must survive. To that end, I am
willing to sacrifice all. The degree to which you interfere with the
survival of my race is the degree to which you are my enemy.
 
>> ... my racial idealism is  not a disease. It is a choice.
>
>    A diseased choice, then.
 
I feel the same about your choices. However, no one is enlightened by
such statements.
 
> Healthy.  How can you possibly pretend to care about your race if
> you don't care about the planet it's on?
 
The earth exists to serve my race's needs, not the other way around.
On what basis can you say that the earth has any value at all except
with respect to its utility for your ideals. Self-centered freak.
 
> Self-centered freak.  
 
Good argument.
 
>> Strawman. I never said that the issue was one of superiority.
>
> Oh, silly me.
 
Yes, silly you.
 
>  If the issue is not one of superiority, then why not secure the
> best future for future generations of all races?
 
I'm not stopping them from creating a good future for themselves
as long as theyy don't interfere with my attempts to create a good
future for my race.
 
Perhaps the question can be turned around. If the issue is not one
of inferiority, why won't you let the White race secure its own future
for its future generations? Why do you claim the White race is inferior?
Why are you trying to deny us OUR rights to exist as a race?
 
Let me explain my worldview. There ARE races and each race has the
responsibility to take care of itself. I am not obligated to care for
those of other races as I can't expect other races to be obligated to
my race.
 
> My racist arguments to promote the human species?
 
Yes, racist arguments. Have you not been talking about the "Human race?"
You have been advocating the advancement of the human race above my
race. Whether you admit it or not, you are using racial arguments to
advocate the advancement of the human specie.
 
Racism doesn't mean namecalling and hatred; it means the advancement of
one's race. However, a race is as much an ethnic identity as it is a
lineal heritage and you have been advocating a human racism. You are
using racial arguments to dismiss my racial arguments.
 
> You're not as bad as Jason Smith and his Sledehammer gang seem to be,
> but I find the majority of White Nationalists (which is synonymous with
> White Supremacists, I'm afraid..) refuse to actually *say* anything.
 
You believe whatever you want. However, like I said, the degree to which
you interfere with the interests of my race is the degree to which you
are my enemy. I don't care if you can't think or understand what I'm
talking about; I'm not on this planet for your amusement. That you can't
hear us *say* anything has more to do with your problems than ours.
 
> Oh yes, they know all the proper long political words to say, which they
> seem to think spell everything out nice and clearly, but you should
> spell it out for stupid people (like myself) who have a hard time
> following all them dang long words.
 
I'll spell it out for you, if you want.
 
> Our forebearers fought for these resources?  Err.. Okay.
 
Maybe yours didn't but mine did.
 
> And cultures change.  You're so goddamn afraid of the future it's
> almost funny.  Look at yourself.. You're afraid of the natural
> progression of time.
 
First of all, there is no "natural progression" since man is the maker
of his own destiny. Second of all, perhaps it is YOU who is afraid of
this so-called "natural progression" since you cannot accept White identity
and our efforts to secure our racial nation.
 
> Why do you think you deserve this White nation-state?
 
This is a clearly ridiculous question since the issue isn't one of
"deserving" anything. For example, why do you deserve to live? Why
do you deserve to eat? Why do you deserve to work? Why do you deserve
a home? Why do you deserve a country at the expense of the White race's
interests?
 
Here is part of the basis of my viewpoint:
 
     We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created
     equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain
     inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and
     pursuit of happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments
     are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the
     consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government
     becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people
     to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying
     its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in
     such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their
     safety and happiness.
 
That we will have a White nation-state has nothing to do with "deserving"
anything. It is our right to establish such a thing and you don't have
the right to interfere. We WILL establish it because we are willing to
fight and sacrifice ourselves for its creation.
 
>  I don't find this world acceptable.  I don't find the state that
> my country is in acceptable.  However, I think that if we ever want
> to actually reach an acceptable state of living the entire world has
> to do it together.
 
But see, I don't have much of a problem with the rest of the world because
I'm not going to tell them how they have to live. I have been to about
15 different countries around the world and I don't have much of a problem
with them. My problem lies in what is happening to MY country (or the fact
that what was created to represent my interests is now hostile to it and
thus I am a man without a country). It is not my position to tell others
how to live their lives. It is my responsibility to take care of my own
life, community, society and race.
 
> As long as you're pulling out and creating White homelands and White
> power organizations there are going to be race wars and disputes.
 
That's a flat-out lie. There will be wars and disputes whether the
White race exists or not. My job is not to stop all wars and disputes
but merely to make sure that those wars and disputes don't destroy my
race.
 
> Gee, wouldn't it be great if we could eliminate all that?
 
No. It can't happen. I will not sacrifice the interests of the White
race so that people who have no love for it will stop hating it. Hate
will exist and people will hate the White race whether we kiss their
asses and let them walk all over us. I will not lay down and let them
walk all over what I see as good so that they won't hate us (besides
it wouldn't happen anyways).
 
> Wouldn't it be great if we could all just get together and watch Care
> Bear movies all day and not care what race we happen to (through no  
> choice of our own) belong to?    
 
Nope. It wouldn't be great. What would be great is if they would leave
us to our own country so that we could do the same to them.
 
>  Because I have nothing better to do.  I'm just this bored.  If there
> was anything other than Wheel of Fortune or a Current Affair on right
> now I'd probably be watching television and drooling quietly to myself.
 
That's fine. As long as you don't pretend that you really care about
anything.
 
>   That could have been merely out of stupidity and not on purpose.
 
Actually I have much greater respect for you because you were willing
to state this. Because of this statement, I am willing to be much more
civil with you. Please, try to read what I say and don't try telling me
that you know what I want better than I do. If you are going to argue
against my viewpoint, first you must know what it is. That won't happen
from some kind of prescience on your part; it will only come if I
explain my viewpoint.
 
>> As are you race-mixers.     
>
>  That's supposed to be an insult?
 
From my viewpoint it is.
 
> Does rationality mean I have to take my race and my country seriously?  
> Because I don't.  I don't think I ever will.  My race is something I
> fell into.  I'm part Irish and part French.  I have no particular
> loyalty to either half and I couldn't possibly care less about whoever
> made it possible for me to be born.  Thank you.
 
Fine. Being human was something that I fell into; I don't have any
particular loyalty to it. However, I have come to realize the goodness
of a racial society and my race and culture in particular. I have given
all of my loyalty to it. I've had sufficient experience to know that
"humanity" is a lie.
 
> Show all the statistics you want.  I *would* like to see them. However,
> be sure to quote a source which I can check up on.
 
I'm not going to waste my time if you aren't going to be rational. And
no, rational doesn't mean you have to be as pompous an asshole as I am
( I don't think you could be ). <==== LOOK! SELF-DIRECTED HUMOUR!!!!
 
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                                  APendragon
                          AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: White Women
Date: 15 Jun 94 10:41:59 PST
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>  If superiority is merely thinking that you're right and the other person
> is wrong then *everyone* is a supremacist in one way or another.
 
That's precisely my point. Hence, if *everyone* were a supremacist, it
would be synonymous with human. Therefore, since we don't need to ways
to express the concept human (both the words "human" and "supremacist")
then there must be something wrong with how you are using the word by
applying it to someone who holds something of value.
 
> If you feel I've misinterpretted, misunderstood or otherwise not seen
> your side of things then you're welcome to enlighten me.
 
What have I been doing? I've been repeatedly saying that you are
misrepresenting what I have said.
 
>    Well, in your case it seems to be paranoia.  Or selfishness.
 
What seems to be paranoia? Or selfishness? First, it is my position that
there are times when concern for a thing is justified. Second, you must
be using the word selfishness in some improper way because if anything,
I exhibit selflessness.
 
> Your thinking is logical based on an illogical thought.  It all works
> out properly when you start on the same idea that you did.. That
> the white race is being threatened.
 
I don't start out with the idea tha the White race is being threatened,
I start out with the idea that the White race is something of value and
important.
 
> I know there's definitely more bitterness on my end because of things
> I've seen and experiences I've had with racism, which makes me hate it
> even more.  But I don't think I've ever closed my mind to it.
 
I know there's definitely more bitterness on my end because of things
I've seen and experiences I've had with anti-racism, which makes me hate
it even more.
 
>  The seriousness and pride you regard all of this bullshit with really
> makes me wonder.
 
Could it be that perhaps what I'm talking about is important to me?
 
> If there was one overwhelming reason I could tell kids to get them to
> keep from becoming racists it would be that they're so fucking boring
> and caught up in themselves and their "cause." 
 
Yeah, right. And you're passing up _Married_with_Children_ and chatting
with me because you don't care about this subject.
 
> Pride for a reason is a good thing.  People deserve to feel proud
> about themselves when they've done something *worth* being proud
> about. As far as I know (and again, I don't know everything, so people
> could be hiding something from me..) you have no reason to be proud.
> Feel free to tell me about baseball trophies now.
 
But, of course, the issue is determing when something is *worthy*.
In other words, the issue is the prioritization of values.
 
> Just because my race happened to be able to spawn me is not a
> source of pride to me.  I'm not that easy to impress, I suppose..  
 
Then what is a source of pride? What you do? And don't reflexively agree
in the manner that anti-racists tend to do on this subject. Before you
do something, before it can be evaluated as good or bad, there must be
a value. Hence, the pride is the result of one's beliefs about what is
valuable and therefore that one has participated in the promotion of
something of value.
 
Since you seem to have so much problem with White people expressing their
pride, perhaps you should consider that it might be because they see
their own actions in promoting their race to be something worthy of pride.
 
> Well.. I don't think that I deserve special treatment over a person with
> a different name.  I don't think the Earth deserves any special treatment
> over another planet.  I don't think the Human Race deserves any special
> treatment over all the aliens out there.  That's the difference.
 
Again, you have yet to have shown that I have expressed any such thing,
hence a strawman argument.
 
> Let's start with this point: Everything is equal.  All races are
> equal and all people are equal.
 
You've got an MTV ethic; as such, you have a distorted and misconstrued
understanding of moral issues.
 
Of course the issue is what you mean by "equal." When Thomas Jefferson
wrote that statement, he meant that God didn't endow certain peoples
with a moral authority to rule over others despite their wishes. What
you mean by equal has nothing whatsoever to do with the meaning of the
term in the Declaration of Independence.
 
What you mean is that, from a moral viewpoint, one can't and shouldn't
distinguish one from another. This is clearly a ridiculous viewpoint
because people can be distinguished from one another on moral bases
as well as that we have preferential valuing of people (your mother
is probably more important to you than a rapist, for example).
 
> Since all people are equal, none matter more than the others.
 
But all people aren't equal. To say that a thing is equal means that
with regard to the issue of consideration it is indistinguishable from
any other thing (i.e. one person is indistinguishible to all others).
 
Again, Thomas Jefferson meant something completely different than you
are espousing. That statement in the Declaration was a response to an
Hobbsian argument that some were God-endowed to be rulers over others
(see _Leviathan_).
 
Thomas Jefferson was a racist, so you tell me what he meant by that
phrase. What he meant is that with regards to rights, all people
are equal. However, a right is not something that requires positive
obligation, merely negative obligation. Those things that require
positive obligation are the result of privileges and social contract
(see Locke and Rousseau).
 
> Since all races are equal, none matter more than the others.
>
 
Of course I disagree for a number of reasons. First, all races aren't
"equal" in the sense that they are indistinguishable from each other.
Second, that one has a preference for one or the other does not mean
that one is viewing them as unequal. That I don't recognize a positive
obligation towards other races does not mean that I don't recognize their
rights.
 
Equality refers to the rights that people have, not the moral value I
have to place on them.
 
>    Why would one race or person deserve special treatment over the
> others were it not regarded a) disadvantaged or b) superior..?    
>
>    And the disadvantaged race or person should only receive this
> special treatment until it was brought to the same level as everyone else.
 
Oh! That there are disadvantaged races or person disproves the viewpoint
of equality that you are positing.
 
> Why categorize your race from everyone else?
 
Categories exist. However, the question you are asking requires a deeper
answer. The real question you are asking seems to me to be "Why do you
place any value in the category which you call your race?"
 
This is a complicated question to answer. However, it must be acknowledged
that I *do* value such a category.
 
Let me first state that there are many things that I value and hold dear.
Such things as my culture, my lifestyle, my family are some things that
I value (among many other things). Among this complicated assemblage of
things that I value and want to see maintained, is a particular social
ideal and racial aesthetic. I have come to realize that I have come to
see race as the foundation of my society. I see that society as something
fundamentally good and worthy of promotion.
 
However, since you seem to use the word race comfortably, it is necessary
for you to state what YOU mean by race; I cannot further answer your
question until I understand that. To me, the mere idea of a race is a
cultural idea. It is a Western concept that is pretty much indistinguishible
from lineal ethnic group.
 
>> Your ideas are utterly stupid and pathetic (by the way, that's a damn
>> good argument).
>
>  I stole it from someone, too.
 
Give it back.
 
> The earth is here to serve *everyone's* needs.  That's why I call you
> self-centered.
 
The statement "The earth is here to serve *everyone's* needs." does not
discount my statement that it is here to serve the White race's needs.
Anyways, you need to be careful with statements such as that since they
are easily misconstrued. That the earth is a resource that all are using
does not mean that it is a communal resource. That you might think so
would merely be an opinion.
 
>  However, blatent disregard for the future of the earth isn't a very
> healthy attitude.  *Especially* when  you're acting as if you care
> about the future of your race.
 
In case you didn't understand the joke I made (can YOU say Whoosh?),
Earth First! is an organization which values the Earth above all other
moral interests; their brand of eco-morality has infected everything
and confused people's reasoning endlessly. The reason that the earth
must be maintained is to maintain its utility to us and to preserve
its utility for future generations (as well as because it is a damned
nice little home and without which my race can't exist at the moment).
The value of the earth is justified (to me) by its utility to humans;
it has no value divorced from them. I don't have a disregard for the
earth, I merely place it as subservient to the needs of my race.
 
> My argument was written invisibly right next to it.  I felt it was
> important to keep it from you in order to allow you a false sense of  
> security.
 
I knew that. Didn't you see my response invisibly written next to that?
 
> My only argument is that you're being entirely self-centered by placing
> value only in the future of your race and no others.  I'd like to 
> know how come you can only want to work towards a better future for your
> race, not care about all of the others and not consider yourself being
> very selfish.
 
Because other races hold no value to me except as they might be useful
to the White race (which is not to say that I advocate violation of their
rights).
 
> The government, though a bunch of morons, is preserving the rights you
> want.
 
No they're not. Moreover, not only are they not preserving my rights,
they are not maintaining adequate privileges.
 
> If you don't like the way the country is run, then leave.  That's the
> way it works.
 
No, that's not how it works. It works like this: represent me and my
race or I will not recognize any authority or validity in violating my
rights.
 
> The only thing that I can see may be problem for you is that there
> happen to be non-whites in it.
 
My problems with the current regime extend far beyond the mere presence
of non-Whites.
 
>  It must be great thinking the apocalypse is right around the
> corner.  Do you shop anymore than three days in advance?
 
I've never said there was an apocalypse against which I am preparing.
 
> How do you exempt yourself from caring about all people?  You
> have absolutely no connection with them?
 
How do you obligate me to care about all people? You see, there is this
saying that he who makes the positive statement has the obligation to
prove it. You are stating that I *DO* have an obligation to all people.
Whence camest this obligation?
 
> If you believe in a Creator, then is it not proper to think that all
> humans are your brothers and sisters?
 
I am a little sketchy on this Creator thingy, but if I believed in one,
he would obligate me to promote my race. Besides, if you are Christian,
you are clearly misrepresenting that Cause.
 
> But anyhow.. Tell me what the problems are with your country.
> You're being far too vague.
 
It's not my country; that's the problem. I will further answer this
question soon.
 
>>> As long as you're pulling out and creating White homelands and White
>>> power organizations there are going to be race wars and disputes.   
>>
>> That's a flat-out lie. There will be wars and disputes whether the  
>> White race exists or not. My job is not to stop all wars and disputes 
>> but merely to make sure that those wars and disputes don't destroy my
>> race.          
>
> Examine my statement and then yours.  Do it again.  And again.
 
You're right, I did misinterpret what you were saying. I suppose with
the current understanding of your statement, I would have answered:
 
So? We have rights which are being violated and that we demand our rights
and others seek to deny us our rights is not my problem. If they/you want
to start a war with us for that, then it must happen.
 
> While you continue to put so much unfounded value in the white
> race and claim that it's superior than all other races you are
> allowing there to be racial barriers.  This seems to be your goal.
 
My goal is the preservation of my race. Why do you constantly
misrepresent my goal? I have constantly stated that my goal is to
ensure the survival of my race.
 
> Racial barriers can be eliminated.. We could see everything as one big
> happy gang of people with different skin colours, different hair colors,
> different shoe sizes, different musical tastes.. but people like you
> won't let it happen.
 
Yeah? So? I don't want racial barriers eliminated, I want them strengthened.
 
That we could see everything as "one big happy gang of people with different
skin colours..." does not mean that we should. What we should do is secure
the existence of the White race.
 
> It must be really sad in your world.. Where you regard every non-White
> or non-White nationalist as an enemy waiting to destroy you. 
 
It's not really sad; it's really beautiful and White.
 
> And how, exactly do you know what the interest of the white race are?
> Have you asked? I'm a member, and I don't agree with this.
 
First, my race is as much a social group as it is a lineal one. Hence,
like any social group, if it is to exist, certain things must be
guaranteed.
 
Those things would include at a high level of abstraction, the following
things:
 
   o Population - there must be someone there
   o Territory  - they must be somewhere
   o Culture    - a positive social identity and program to promote it
   o Economics  - physical resources needed to maintain their physical
                  existence
   o Politics   - a goal-directed system of institutions which promote
                  and coordinate the above interests.
 
Second, how are you a member? Membership in a social group entails
embodying the ideals, values and norms of that group. Since you have
clearly stated that you don't value the things that we do, you are
(by your own admission) not a member of that group.
 
To me, although you might be of a proper lineage to belong to the group,
you refuse to accept the ideals and norms which are necessary to promote
that group. In fact, as you have admitted, you would preferably not
promote those ideals (or even fight against them); hence, you are not
a member of my race. If you would like to be, you may, but you must
accept our ideals.
 
> Well hey.. I'm all for it.  Go get a little island and take all
> the whites that will follow you and set up your little government and
> boss each other around all day and night.
 
To some degree, that is what we are going to do. We are going to choose
a nice plot of land in North America and ensure a government to represent
us.
 
> Your grammar and spelling is good, but I can't say much for the
> thoughts at the root of the ideas.  The ideas themselves would be
> good if only the originating thoughts were correct.  
 
In other words, if only I'd agree with you, I'd be right. I'm not
going to agree with you.
 
> I have never, ever seen an argument which ended in.. "Oh, I'm sorry..
> How could I have been so stupid?  You're right.  Wow.  Thanks for
> opening my eyes!"  It never happens.
 
I'll give you the opportunity to do it.
 
> Your civility makes a drooling idiot like myself gibber with delight.
 
I've found that a bib is useful to catch the drool.
 
> I'm willing to admit that I'm stupid.  I don't know everything. Nobody
> does. I stereotype, I generalize, I suck.  I don't do any of it on
> purpose and when I realize it, I find it in myself to improve.  That's
> what being human is.
 
Great, I'm not the only one with that realization.
 
> So explain your viewpoint.
 
I have been.
 
> Sad, sad, sad.. Asian gurls is purdy.
 
But I thought you said everybody was equal.
 
> I'd like to know what that experience is so I too could think that
> humanity is a lie and be able to type it in quotes just like you.
 
My experiences are varied. However, the mere fact that you are sitting
here arguing with me and trying to belittle and downplay what I see
as important is proof of it. The actions of those who are advocates for
humanity are enough to make me realize that they are lying.
 
> So you just fell into humanity but you didn't just fall into your
> race?  Interesting.
 
Yes, they are different terms. Moreover, the word "humanity" is a varied
and confusing one since it covers many different concepts. There is
"humanity" as the mere physical existence of all the humans on the
planet (no moral connotation); in other words, that I am a member of
humanity (those creatures called humans). There is also "humanity" with
a moral connotation, all of those people who are humane, show kindness,
mercy, sympathy etc. They are not the same concept.
 
I "fell into" those defined by the first term, as I did into my race.
However, whether there exists some great body of people who are also
humane is an issue of contention.
 
> If not for me, post the statistics so everyone else can benefit
> from them.  What harm is there in that?
 
It's just a matter of effort. However, it will take a bit of time to
gather the statistics since it has been awhile since last I researched
them.
 
> And remember to give a reference source I can check up on.
 
sure.
 
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                                  APendragon
                          AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: White Women
Date: 15 Jun 94 23:04:13 PST
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In article <1994Jun15.180315.1@ashley.cofc.edu>, hamiltonj@ashley.cofc.edu writes:

>  To whomever made the above statement, you have made a REALLY big error
> in your reasoning.  You are confusing the definitions of the words
> "Equal" and "same".
 
I'm glad you pointed that out. However, I'm not making that error, the
person to whom I was responding was.
 
> All persons *are* created (or evolved or spawned or whatever) equal...
> we are all made of the same elements, we are all members of the genus
> and species Homo Sapiens, we are all *human beings*, and no race is
> superior to another.
 
Well, I disagree that people are created either the same or equal
(empirically). Jefferson didn't mean equal in empirical terms, though,
he meant it in moral terms. Although I don't like to go to dictionaries
as a justification for an argument, Webster's New World dictionary
points out:
 
  Equal implies the absence of any difference in quantity, size, value,
    degree, etc.
 
In other words, equal implies a measurement of an intrinsic or extrinsic
property. Which gets back to what I had said in that post:
 
>> To say that a thing is equal means that with regard to the issue of
>> consideration it is indistinguishable from any other thing (i.e. one
>> person is indistinguishible to all others).
 
I don't think that I have made the error that you are claiming that I
did. As I said, there must be an issue of contention from which, by
comparison, there is no difference. As Webster's points out, and as I
point out, to properly say things are equal, one must define the
property by which one is comparing.
 
Which gets to the real issue: Jefferson was talking about rights.
What he was doing was arguing against Hobbes, and from a natural
rights perspective, that all people share the same rights. However,
what he meant by rights and what has commonly come to be called rights
are not the same thing.
 
> Stephen Hawking and Tori Amos are equals, but if they were the same,
> Tori could formulate brilliant theories of black holes, and Stephen
> could compose and sing thoughtful and award-wining albums. 
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BUT THEY ARE EQUALS, NOT CLONES<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
 
Prove it. As was pointed out, you cannot say that things are equal without
identifying the property that is being compared. As I have stated, Jefferson
meant that they were equal in their rights (which is a moral position), not
in their extrinsic or intrinsic properties.
 
> All people, all races, all creeds, all sexes, .... all are EQUALS, and
> whether or not we place more value in one opposed to the other does not
> affect that.
 
Only in their rights; but even the ideal and concept of rights is merely
a particular ethical position (which I am not saying that I am contesting).
 
> It is every person's right to put value wherever he/she thinks it is most
> due. If this means placing more value in your own race than others, fine.
>  Great.  Enjoy and use your freedom to its fullest.
 
I will: the White race must survive.
 
> But do not believe that your race has a greater distribution of talents or
> intelligence or any other such thing, because it doesn't.  We are all
> equals, we are all human, and there's no getting around it.
 
Actually, there is a "getting around it." I could merely refuse to
recognize the validity of inherent rights (which I'm not doing).
 
I've never argued that there are instrinsic differences between the
races. However, again, that we are equals with regard to rights means
little or nothing regarding how I have to value that person or for
whatever positive obligations I don't recognize towards another.
 
   Arthur LeBouthillier
The White Race Must Survive.


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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: White Women
Date: 15 Jun 94 23:19:24 PST
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In article , cs932090@ariel.cs.yorku.ca (JOANNA I TIMARIU) writes:

HJ> I revel in the chance to be the one to break *this* to you, but Judiasm
HJ> is a religion, not a race...
 
JT> It's not really a religion, either. There are countless atheist Jewish
JT> people, especially in Israel. It's kinda like Buddhism, a way of life.
 
    Race -  ...  1) ... the term has acquired so many unscientific
            connotations that in this sense it is often replaced in
            scientific usage by ethnic stock or group...
            6) any group of people having the same activities, habits,
            ideas, etc.
 
            = Webster's New World Dictionary
 
Judaism is an ethnic identity which has wrapped a religion around itself.
Hence, by at least one definition of race, Jews are a race.


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Subject: Re: What is white anyway?
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In article <2tqm00$el9@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca>, pierre@gsb007.cs.ualberta.ca (Pierre Honeyman) writes:

> I have a question about just what exactly is the White race.  I really
> don't know exactly which white skinned peoples are White and which
> aren't, and what criteria is this decision based on.
 
White is merely a title we have given to ourselves (our skin's not
really white, in case you hadn't noticed). A White is a descendent of
the true European/Aryan people. Virtually all of the European peoples
are descendents from Aryans with the exception of the Basques, Magyars
and Finns. However, each of those people are largely Aryan due to
assimilation of Aryans into their populations (for example, about 2/3rds
of Finns are of Germanic heritage). One need only look at a tree of the
European branch of the Indo-European languages to see who the white people
are. The traits that define us are the result of our unique heritage and
we see them as a uniquely beautiful aesthetic which must be maintained.
They serve as markers of lineage and since most of them are recessive traits,
they are immediately recessed within a single generation of race-mixing.
However, as I have said, being White is as much an ethnic identity as
anything else.
 
Culture and cultural ideals are also of vital importance. We believe
that our culture and its inherent ethics and aesthetics must be consistent
with our heritage and positively promote our racial ideals. We don't
feel that it is necessary or desirable to look outside of our own
culture for inspiration, although ultimately, to serve our people, if
we need to borrow ideas from other cultures, then we will do so as it
serves our needs.
 
> My ancestors are French, Scottish, Swedish and Irish - and since the
> French and Irish branches of my family have been in Canada for 300 years
> or more, I *know* I have some Native Canadian blood in me too.  Am I
> White?  I'm certainly white skinned, but is that all it takes?
 
You are white; of course the degree of your non-white heritage affects
your acceptability. Most of us find anything less than about an 1/8
non-white heritage to be acceptable. Now, the anti-Whites are going
to whine about that criterium but we find it acceptable for our purposes.
Of course, we can define specific criteria based on genetic tests if
necessary but I don't think that is necessary (I guess that I'm a
racial liberal).
 
However, being White means much more than merely being of the proper
heritage. It is an identity and a worldview which completely defines
one's society, roles, values, norms, behavior, goals, ideals etc.
To me, it means having a loyalty to promoting one's lineage at all
costs and organizing one's society around the promotion of it.
 
If you read a basic anthropology text, you will see that there are
two major types of societies: those based on territory and those based
on lineage. The United States has tossed off its true basis as a
lineal society and become merely a territorial conglomerate without
reference to its true racial heritage; for that reason, we reject it
(or any multi-racial empire) as a legitimate representative of our
interests.  We are a nation based on lineage, which sees the promotion
of our racial nation as the utmost priority, and for which freedom and
purity must be secured. We reject social ideals which are hostile to a
lineal viewpoint or which seek to subordinate our people to causes which
don't serve our national interests and aspirations. Our concerns,
obligations and responsibilities lie in promoting only our own race.
 
> There are so many vastly different cultures of white people and I don't
> know which ones are White or not, and I also don't know how that decision
> is made.
 
Whether there are many White subcultures or not, we all have common
racial and social ideals (I have many racial comrades throughout virtually
all of the European countries). Western Civilization is the combined product
of our past endeavors. The aesthetics defined therein are representative of
our ideals and hopes. It is my opinion that each of these White subcultures
must be preserved but that they must also be melded into a greater
White identity which binds us as one people (this viewpoint might be
called pan-Aryanism). In my estimate, the desire to keep even a part of
the White race culturally and racially distinct (as in most White subcultues)
secures the ultimate goal of White survival.
 
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In article , ah787@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Bill Stuart) writes:

> White people are sometimes white gay people who have abortions.
 
White people are never gay. Gay is an ideology that is foreign and
hostile to White identity (as evidenced by the filth you spew).
 
>     	When white people are herded into camps and executed by the
> thousands, then i will become a white supremicist. When a 100 percent
> fatal disease is found in the white community and ignored, then i will
> become a white supremicist. When white community centers are bombed,
> when white people are sold as slaves, when whites are sent to war while
> other races stay behind, when whites are delegated to low-income jobs
> and housing, then i will be a white supremicist.
 
I'll never wait that long. Long before that EVER happens, blood will
be shed. Long before any foreign or hostile people can be in a position
to do such things, rivers of blood will flow.
 
> You are not standing up for my rights as a white person. I am proud of
> my scottish heritage. Don't ask me to eat haggis, though. :) How are
> my "White rights" being taken away?
 
You don't even know what rights are you ignorant bigot. Ever hear of
property rights? Ever hear of contract rights? Ever hear of ethnic
rights? Ever hear of rights of self-determination?
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                       Arthur LeBouthillier
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In article <2tn6jk$dbs@dockmaster.phantom.com>, molbloo@phantom.com (wicked gravity) writes:

> Let's  see, how shall I  ever begin  here...okay.  I'd firstoff like
> to note that all of you here white supremicists  are full of shit
 
Likewise to the race-mixers.
 
> (a) Humanity began in southeast africa.  At least,  this theory has the 
> most scientific backing of just about any anthropological theory around.
> The first ancestors to homo  sapiens sapiens were  found in places like
> South Africa and Ethiopia.  And  if  you  don't believe me, then check
> out any  number of paleoanthropology  journals.
 
Great, then that means that Africa is a White homeland too. Contrary to
the tales you have heard, whites didn't colonize Africa in the last
few centuries, they were returning to their homeland.
 
> What I'm trying to  get  to here  isthat we  are *all* related, okay?
> We are *all* human.
 
Well gosh, last I heard, chimpanzees are genetically closer to humans
than chimpanzees are to apes.  And, if you go back even farther, we're
related to dogs and cats and rats. And if you go back even further,
we're related to reptiles like alligators and iguanas. And if you go
back even further, we're related to fish and muscles and perhaps even
paramecium. What I'm trying to get to here is that we are *all* related,
okay? We are *all* animals.
 
> I didn't say we had to  *like* each other, I said we had to *deal*
> with each other.
 
We don't even have to deal with each other much if we are separated
except, perhaps, to do business with each other.
 
> Now let's talk about some music, for chrissakes.
 
Have you heard the latest Extreme Hatred album? It's great. How about
Eric Owens? He's great too. Patriotic Ballads 2 by Ian Stuart and
Stigger is awesome; have you heard that one? I didn't really like
Patriotic Ballads 1 but I really love the words to Tommorrow Belongs
To Me. Do you know the words to that song? I can post them if you want.
How about Rahowa? Did you know that their name means RAcial HOly WAr?
That's cool. Don't you just love talking about music?
 
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                                  APendragon
                          AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children
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Subject: Re: White Women
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The following is Brad's position on my position:
 
> ... the strange lengths you're going to.
> You're excessively proud about your race.
> Your worldview.  It's extremely paranoid.
> I'd say you were exhibiting selflessness.
> You're only helping your OWN race, which makes you..  selfish.
> Use your bitterness as a source of strength
> it seems a little bizarre to me.
> disgustingly proud
> belonging to the white race is *nothing*.
> huge amount of pride.  
> Your ideas are utterly stupid and pathetic.  Argh.
> then you're just being weird.
> ... a shot at your paranoia. 
> ... you're paranoid and threatened.
 
> You're excessively proud about your race.  
 
You have yet to have shown that bob. Any further developments based on
that theme would merely be what is called "begging the question."
 
> You're saying (by asking for a white nation) you deserve special rights.
> That *is* a special right.
 
No Brad, we are a nation; what we want is a nation-state. Our nationhood
is a right; our nation-state is also a right (it's called self-determination).
 
> This is exactly the loop that arguments over the Internet get into.
> Your worldview.  It's extremely paranoid.
 
A worldview is a complete philosophical outlook. Everyone has a worldview
(you included).
 
> And concern for a thing is justified, however.. Let's say you were
> particularly fond of ants.
 
You're the one who is excessively concerned for all of the ants. I'm
merely trying to maintain my own nest and my own brothers and sisters.
 
> But you wouldn't see any of the ants as more important or more deserving
> of your help, would you?
 
But I'm not trying to save all of the ants. Your analogy is flawed.
 
> You're only helping your OWN race, which makes you..  selfish.
 
Brad, if I were only helping myself, then I'd be selfish. That I'm only
helping my own race makes me a racist, not selfish.
 
>> I don't start out with the idea tha the White race i	being  
>> threatened, I start out with the idea that the White race is
>> something of value and important.  
>
>  All right.  Then if it's not being threatened, why are you scurrying
> around trying to preserve it?  If it's not being threatened, why not
> just let it keep on going the way it is?
 
I didn't say that it wasn't being threatened, but that I don't start out
with the idea that it is being threatened. I see my race as an ideal which
is to be promoted. Because the ideal is threatened, I am agitated.
 
>>> I know there's definitely more bitterness on my end because of things
>>> I've seen and experiences I've had with racism, which makes me
>>> hate it even more.    
>
>> I know there's definitely more bitterness on my end because of things
>> I've seen and experiences I've had with anti-racism, which makes me
>> hate it even more.    
>
> Don't let it close your mind, then.  Use your bitterness as a source
> of strength but don't let it close off ideas and possibilities.
 
In case you hadn't noticed, I was merely repeating your argument about
racism. If I shouldn't close my mind off to anti-racism because of a
bitterness I might feel, then you should close your mind off to racism
because of the bitterness you feel toward it. Take your own advice.
 
>> Could it be that perhaps what I'm talking about is important to me?
>
>  No doubt.  However, it seems a little bizarre to me.  This isn't
> my first encounter with it and I'm sure it's not going to be my last..
 
Again, just because YOU don't understand it doesn't mean that WE don't.
No, it won't be your last encounter with this.
 
> If I ran around being disgustingly proud because I learned how to staple
> something, would I be justified?  Not really.  At least, I hope not.
> Otherwise everything else I've ever done would have to be *really*
> pathetic.
 
So why do you feel disgustingly proud about the whole friggen human specie?
 
>  I only said that belonging to the white race is *nothing*.    It
> just happened.  You could have just as easily been born into some other
> race. And what if you *had* been born into a different race.. Would you
> be just as proud?
 
Yes. If I were born into another race, I would have just as much
responsibility to promote that race. (again, you're begging the question
with this "pride" crap).
 
>  Pride is a sense of self-worth.  That's according to my handy
> little dictionary here.  You gather pride from accomplishments..
> Things that show that you're *worth* something.
 
Like promoting your race...right.
 
>  Being a member of the whiterace doesn't make you any more worthy than
> anyone else.
 
To you it doesn't; to me it DOES.
 
> Tell me what the white people have done to deserve this huge amount
> of pride.
 
Tell me what the human species has done to deserve your huge amount of
pride in it.
 
> Your white nation is special treatment.
 
And that shows how little you truly do understand about such things as
nations or rights.
 
A nation is a sociological concept in people's minds: an idea. People
have rights to hold their own ideas.
 
Hence, it is not "special treatment" to state that we Whites are a
nation.
 
>  Cool.  I get the ethics but I don't even get the channel.
 
It's more of that invisible writing thing. You watch Married with
Children, you get the MTV ethic. It's cheap and effective.
 
>  It's impossible to ignore all of these differences, but there
> don't have to be barriers between people merely because of them.
 
It doesn't have to be, but it is.
 
> By equal I don't mean the same.  No two people are exactly alike.
> But ones differences do not make them a greater or lesser person.
> This is what you seem to be saying, and again correct me if I'm
> wrong or misinterpretting you.
 
You're not misinterpreting me. However, I disagree with your statement
that "differences do not make them [people] a greater or lesser person."
Of course differences do. The fact that you are the child of your parents
makes you more important to them than all of the other childen in the
world. The fact that my race is a kind of "family" of its own makes its
children more important than all others.
 
> And a rapist is only less important because of what they've done.  My
> mother is much closer to me than a rapist and I don't think my mother's
> raped anyone.  Correct me if I'm wrong on that one too.
 
Obviously, the issue isn't only what is done but what is not done. For
example, if you watched someone commit a rape and murder and didn't
report it, then you'd have done wrong also.
 
The issue is what you do to promote goodness as well as what you
don't do to stop badness. Right?
 
> So yes, people should be judged on the way they act or the things
> they do. 
 
To me, people should be judged on the way they act or things they do
as well as whence they come.
 
> But *initially* all people are equal.  Is this such a hard
> concept to understand?
 
Again, let's get down to the real issue, people are equal in their
rights, not in the way they are to be valued. Get it? Is this such a
hard conception to understand?
 
> Equal as in deserving of the same rights and priveledges.
 
BINGO! WRONG!! ALERT!! ALERT!! ALERT!! ALERT!! IMPORTANT POINT FOLLOWS
 
***    People are only equal in deserving of the same rights, not  ***
***    privileges.                                                 ***
 
GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL. DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT $200.
 
DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DON'T PASS UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND.
 
Here is your opportunity to say "Gee, you're right, I was wrong."
 
Do you understand the difference between a right and a privilege?
There is a vast difference. I know many dictionaries will equate
"right" and "privilege" but that's only because dictionaries reflect
common usage and the common usage is wrong (or confused). For a better
understanding, read some Rousseau.
 
People may have the same rights, but they don't have the same privileges
(nor should they).
 
I won't go on to argue this point, until after you respond again. This
is the KEY ( ooooo <- very important! ) error in your reasoning. I'll
give you an opportunity to ponder this before we discuss it further.
 
Note: for all of the rest of you out in TV land, examine this issue.
    This is the single point on which liberals and other such scum
    are wrong (not really, they're wrong on a lot of other things too).
    Understand the difference between a right and a privilege.
 
> I wonder if you're just playing stupid on this issue.  You actually
> think that I said all people are indistinguishable from all others?
 
No, I was forcing you to state your premises.
 
>         Equal as in deserving of the same rights and priveleges.
 
WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
 
> Well, to an extent it *does* mean you're viewing them as unequal. You've
> decreed that all non-white races are undeserving of your help.
 
Right, non-white races are not as important to me.
 
>>  The real question you are asking seems to me to be "Why do you place
>> any value in the category which you call your race?"
>
>   Don't put words in my mouth.
 
I had to; the ones that were already there were terribly ridiculous and
since I didn't assume you would ask such a ridiculous question (perhaps
the wrong assumption), I had to assume that you would ask a more
complicated question than one whose answer was "categories exist."
 
> However, what would give me the right to place any more importance in
> the categories I happen to fall into?
 
Nature? God? I don't know; where do rights come from?
 
> And it seems you've managed to use that fun 'Strawman' technique
> against me, so the rest of that section isn't worth responding to.
 
Yes, I did "put those words into your mouth" (not really I don't want
to get any of your drool on me). However, I am clearly stating that
I misinterpreted your question.
 
>>Give it back.    
>
> I can't.  It's stuck to my hand.
 
Off with the hand!
 
> 	Your ideas are utterly stupid and pathetic.  Argh. 
 
That's another good argument.
 
> Why say it's here to serve the white race instead of *everyone*..?
 
Because the White race is more important to me.
 
>         Clever joke.  Ha ha ha.
>
> Here's one of my favourites: Die, Nazi Scum!  Jihaaaaaad!  ALL FEAR ALLAH!
 
I'm glad you liked it. Here's one of my favorite jokes: Die, anti-racist
scum! Jihaaaaaad! Racial Holy War!!!!
 
>  And what you *don't* know is that my message was also secretly encrypted
> and you needed the Cap'n Crunch Secret Decoder Ring.  So nyah.
 
But I've got a secret super-dooper Code Breaker Ring. Double nyah.
 
> Again, this is the problem.  If you place no value in *human life*,
> regardless of what colour it happens to be, then you're just being
> weird. We're all human.
 
I didn't say that I place no value on other people, only that I place
more on the White race.
 
> What rights and privileges do you want?
 
All of them.
 
>  You can also go through this wonderful democratic system to make the
> changes you feel are necessary.
 
There's nothing wonderful about this so-called democratic system.
 
> But I can assure you that the majority isn't going to go along with you
> on it.. So therefore you're probably better off leaving.
 
Or fighting.
 
>> My problems with the current regime extend far beyond the mere
>> presence of non-Whites.
>
> Feel free to list them.
 
They start with the Fourteenth Amendment and everything therefrom derived.
 
>> I've never said there was an apocalypse against which I am preparing.
>
>  It was a shot at your paranoia...
 
You missed.
 
>>  You are stating that I *DO* have an obligation  to all people.
>> Whence camest this obligation?
>
>  The obligation camest from the forest, dearest.
 
Right. You can't say where it came from.
 
>         The only thing that I wonder about in your logic is that you
> seem to have an obligation to help the white race but none to help the
> entire human race including non-whites.  I think the obligation to help
> *all* people comes before only helping your race.
 
The only thing that I wonder about your logic is that you seem to have
an obligation to the whole fucking world but none to help the White
race. I think the obligation to help one's race comes before helping all
of the other idiots in the world.
 
> God (the Creator) apparently made *all* the humans.  And the fact that
> some of them have different skin colours and different heritage is just
> circumstance and the wacky way the world works.
 
Why does God, apparently, only keep a covenant with the Hebrew race?
 
Who are the children of Cain? Who created them? And why did Jesus 
say:
 
    He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the
    world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the
    tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed
    them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the
    reapers are the angels. [Matthew 13:37-39]
 
What? Did Jesus say that some children are more important than others?!
 
> IF YOU DON'T FEEL THREATENED, WHY DO YOU FEEL THIS NEED TO SECURE
> THE SURVIVAL OF YOUR RACE?
 
I didn't say *I* feel threatened, I said my race is threatened.
 
>> Yeah? So? I don't want racial barriers eliminated, I want them
>> strengthened.
>
>	Why?
 
To protect my race and its resources.
 
> That we could see everything as "one big happy gang of people with
> different skin colours..." does not mean that we should.
>
> Okay, why shouldn't we?
 
No, the real question is: why should we.
 
> Forgive the repetitiveness but.. why?  It seems to be doing fine
> on its own.
 
Up until the last 50 years or so, it has done well on its own. However,
since then, it has not been faring well.
 
> White gets *really* boring after a while, though.  Just think how
> boring test patterns would be.
 
Oh, the "boring" argument. I find the White race to be an endless and
wondrous bounty of interest.
 
> So, let's see.. The White race is now *your* race?  You'd best get a
> different name for it and trademark it, because that's a little stupid.
> I'm white.  I belong to the white race.
 
No, it's the other way around. You had better just start calling yourself
Caucasian since White is a registered trademark of our race. Since
anthropoligists only recognize three major "racial" categories (Caucasoid,
Mongoloid and Negroid), what exactly do YOU mean by White? What do you mean
you belong to the "white" race?
 
> I have no problem with this other than, as I said earlier, I'd rather be
> a bright flashing purple.
 
That's fine, but you're not going to make any decisions for the White race
if I can help it.
 
> Wonderful.  By then I should have perfected my Jello Bomb and
> will be able to wipe you all out with one tasty torpedo.
 
Now who's exhibiting defensiveness? What harm would there be to you if
the White race formed its own Private Idaho (so to speak).
 
>  However I think you should admit that you're paranoid and threatened.
 
I don't have to admit to a lie.
 
> Or that some non-white person stole all your cookies while you were in
> grade school.
 
O.k. someone DID take my cookies; they also killed my uncle. Now, I'm
not saying that I had any great attachment to my uncle, but many others
in my family did.
 
>> I'll give you the opportunity to do it. 
>
>       Riiiiiighhtt...       
 
If you've gotten to this point, you've already been given the opportunity
to do so. I'm waiting....
 
>>> I'm willing to admit that I'm stupid.  I don't know everything. Nobody
>>> does. I stereotype, I generalize, I suck.  I don't do any of it on
>>> purpose and when I realize it, I find it in myself to improve.  That'
>>> what being human is.
>
>> Great, I'm not the only one with that realization.
>
>   I'm not sure, but that could have been a very cunning shot at
> me.  Hmm.  I'll have to think about this one more before I plot my
> revenge.
 
Actually, I hadn't notices that. But...heh, heh...no comment :-)
 
>>> Sad, sad, sad.. Asian gurls is purdy.
>
>> But I thought you said everybody was equal.
>
>	Yes, but people have different tastes.
 
Oh! and some "tastes" are more important to you, right?
 
> Hey, I downplay and belittle everything.  And I'm not really an
> advocate for humanity. As a species, well, they suck. But no race
> sucks any less than another one.  That's equality.
 
No, that's not equality; that's apathy. But anyways, that also
gets to what I was saying earlier: humanity is a lie.
 
>> I "fell into" those defined by the first term, as I did into my race.  
>
>  So what makes the first term less important than your race?
 
Because they're not members of my race and they're not promoting my
race.
 
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> andrea dworkin- lesbian sepratist (stupid) and white
 
Lesbian separatist!!!! What a great idea!!!! Go away!! I support
this witch. :) :) :)
 
> camelle paglia- lesbian (???) silly and white
>
> that enough for you or need I site more...
 
Most of those are just Caucasians, not White. Moreover, some of them
are merely homosexuals, not gay. As I said, Gay is an ideology which
seeks to justify homosexuality. Because someone has stated that they
have engaged in homosexual acts does not make them gay.
 
> Tigger- bisexual and white (I think he said he was white)
 
Oh! That's what his problem is! See, yet more proof that gays are
hostile to Whites.
 
>> I'll never wait that long. Long before that EVER happens, blood will
>> be shed.
>
> Oooooo... And the 'niggers' are the ones who are violent, heh?
 
Sweatheart (not really), I have a great potential for violence too.
However, mine is goal-directed and in defense of my people.
 
>> You don't even know what rights are you ignorant bigot. Ever hear of
>> property rights?
>
> Yeah, like the property rights the indians have...Like every tribal
> contact that the United States broke with indian tribes...Yeah, like the
> self determination that the amerindians get to exercise on the peices of
> dirt that kind generous white folk like yourself put them on...
 
Oh don't whine about the Indians. You don't really care about them except
as a tool to belittle Whites. If you really cared, you could donate all
of your property to them and move to Europe (or wherever you're really
wanted). Don't try that silly argument with me.
 
What's your point? What does that have to do with White people? Obviously
I had nothing whatsoever to do with their problems. Are you stereotyping
Whites again? I think so.
 
> If you want you're "white rights", then hey, cool, go get'em.
 
I want them; I'm going to get 'em.
 
> Just remember that if one person is not free then none of us are.
 
What? I know your side likes to think in terms of slogans because
thinking is difficult, but that's clearly ridiculous.
 
> Like all that good that came from the amerindian martyrs. Genocide.
 
The Indians are still around aren't they? If it wasn't for their
martyrs, there probably wouldn't even be reservations since it became
the US government's plan to assimilate them. Besides, I thought you
liked the idea of mixing races. Clearly you should be opposed to
Indians wanting self-rule on their own lands. You should want to take
away their reservations and mix 'em in. Obviously it must be your
position that it is merely their hatred for Whites that makes them
want to remain separate from us.
 
Anyways, your arguments about Genocide are somewhat specious. About
60% of Indians died of diseases for which they had no immunities.
 
> Yeah, real good. The indians should have never had trusted the white
> man anyway.
 
Tsk, tsk, stereotyping there aren't we?
 
Arthur LeBouthillier



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> I'm glad you didn't killfile me artie. Twas my x-roommate that started
> all the trouble.
 
Actually, I hadn't intended to killfile you anyways. I was only going to
say that I was killfiling you and then ignore you. What exactly are
you saying anyways? Are you saying that you might actually miss having
these fun discussions with me? :-)
 
Actually, a FAQ on Klingon language might be kind of interesting. :)
 
>> Most of those are just Caucasians, not White.
>
> What's the difference????
 
Caucasian refers to those people who are neither Negroid nor Mongoloid.
In other words, all of the rest of the worlds people. It includes the
Pakistanis, the Arabs, the Turks, all of the European peoples, the
Iranians and a host of other groups. Old Speedfreak (or is it SudraFreak)
is a Caucasian even though he's not White. It refers to a broad category
of people like the word "car" refers to a broad class of automobiles.
However, it has no moral or socio-ethnic connotation. White refers to
Europeans and implies some degree of ethnic identity. White is an identifier
that we Europeans have called ourselves for many centuries; as such, it
represents our unique identity and heritage.
 
> So one can be Homosexual and White or gay and caucasian, but not
> gay and white????? Explain?
 
Like I have said, Gay is an ideology which seeks to justify homosexuality.
White, as I use it, implies an ethnic identity which views promotion of
one's lineage as a key and vital part. I think the two are incompatible.
One can be Caucasian and anything because Caucasian refers to a whole
body of people without reference to their identity.
 
>> Because someone has stated that they
>> have engaged in homosexual acts does not make them gay.
>
> Ummm... sorry but in my book it does. Maybe you need to define some
> of your terms for me.
 
Sure. Like I have said, Gay is an ideology that seeks to normalize and
justify homosexuality as an equivilant sexual practice to heterosexuality.
Homosexuality is an act performed between two people of the same sex or
one who practices it. However, it is possible to be a homosexual and
still see it as bad or wrong (but to practice it nonetheless). That's why
there are closet homos and such. However, Gay implies an attempt to seek
public recognition and acceptance for the practice of homosexuality as a
viable expression of sexuality. It also refers to a sub-culture which
revolves around the practice of homosexuality.
 
> Not hostile to whites, just hostile to the idea that any person, is
> better than another person because of race,creed,gender..... you get
> my point.
 
Of course he's hostile to Whites. He wants to eliminate such kinds of
identity and the associated values in order to create some global
race-mixed society.
 
> >Sweatheart (not really), I have a great potential for violence too.
> ^^^^^^^^^^ Don't you mean Sweetheart ?
 
Probably, but now that I think about it, it's not bad :) Maybe that's
more what I meant.
 
> I really don't see a threat to your people.
 
Because you don't give a rat's tail about them.
 
> Noone is stopping you from creating your homeland,
 
Ever hear of the civil war? How about the 14th Amendment? How about all
of the numerous and so-called civil "rights" laws?
 
> noone is taking you out in the streets and beating you to death for
> being hetrosexual. Noone is blowing up your churches or legistlating
> that you can't practice your religion. Noone is forcing white people
> to live in squalor and to give up their private property (except during
> tax time when uncle sam hits all of us). So where is the threat????
 
But of course, you were extremely limited in your choice of representing
threats to our existence. You merely listed a bunch of half-truths which
you hope will justify sympathy for your cause.
 
The threats are numerous. Like I have continually stated, we Whites have
five basic interests (which are supportive of our very existence):
 
  1) Culture   - our identity and program of promoting that identity
  2) Economics - the resources and means of distributing those resources
  3) Territory - an expanse of territory solely for our use
  4) Population- the quality and quantity thereof
  5) Politics  - the goal-oriented institutions designed to promote the above
 
Each of those is threatened. Our culture is becoming some trashy MTV-like
race-mixing culture which provides no moral indications. It values the
ridiculous and holds in high esteem the glittery. Our economy is becoming
less under our control as foreign and international corporations assume
greater control thereof while the equity of that distribution ensures a
broad white underclass. We have less territory as more foreigners come to
our homeland. Our population is well under replacement level while it is
also becoming increasinly intermixed. Our political institutions have been
corrupted and are now hostile to our existence and interests. I know you
don't care about us, but what do YOU think is going alright?
 
> Hey artie, I got a secret to tell you.....         
> Yup, you guessed it. I'm part plains indian...
 
It's no secret to me. Although I couldn't quite identify why you were
hostile to Whites, it turns out that you are race-mixed. But again,
don't pretend you have any great concern for Indians except as a convenient
stick to beat whites with. What have you done to help them?
 
> So it appears to me that I, as a member of one of the tribes of Indians
> who where here LOOOOOONG before the europeans, have as much right to
> live here as any of my amerindian brothers and sisters. You on the other
> hand, are a guest in this country... sort of an illegal alien, if you will.
 
First, I doubt seriously that you are member of any tribe. That you might
fantasize about that doesn't make it true. Second, that you trace some
lineage to Indians might not even be enough for them to accept your
membership in their tribe. Third, I don't recognize that "before" makes it
theirs. Fourth, that those people might not appreciate my presence on this
continent doesn't faze me in the least. I don't recognize their claim to
North America (although I am willing to recognize their right to a homeland
on North America).
 
We Whites created the U.S. gov't to represent our interests on this
continent and therefore, I'm not a "guest" of this country. I am one
of the rightful heirs.
 
Again, what exactly are you saying? Are you advocating the forced
removal of Whites from North America? Who's going to do it? Why are
you advocating it? Is it in recognition of the best interests of Whites?
 
> Then go buy yourselves a homeland. Why do you keep ignoring the easiest
> answer of all. Money talks, bullshit walks. If you want your white
> homeland then you're gonna have to buy a bunch of land and surround it
> with chicken wire and set up shop, all of which NOONE is stopping you
> from doing.
 
Why do we have to buy with money what we bought before with blood? We'll
get our homeland with or without your approval.
 
> I'd actually like to see you do it, that way everyone who doesn't
> beleive your white power crap can breath a collective sigh of releif.
 
Do you mean the Indian Lesbians?
 
> You missed my point about the indians. The indians didn't set up the
> reservations to be away from white people, the white people set them
> up to be away from the indians.
 
Yes, that was true at first. It merely proves my point that America was
created to represent White interests. However, I doubt seriously that
the Indians would want to lose their reservations now. In fact, I've
seen their replies to advocates of dissolving reservations; they were
quite hostile to that idea. No, the Indians want their reservations
although they would like them to be bigger and free of White people.
 
> I have been to one once. It sucked. Not because of the amerindians
> there, but because they are normally set up on reservations that have
> VERY limited natural resources, and therefore have little means to
> substain themselves.)
 
I've been to reservations too. If they really suck, it is because the
Indians make them that way. The Indians have been given a tremendous
resource for which I would willingly exchange. Their lands have
tremendous resources but they have not organized themselves in order
to develop those resources. That they have little means of sustaining
themselves has more to do with their short-sighted visions of defining
themselves than with any lack of resources. If they saw themselves as
working to better their people, advance their overall interests and
adapt their culture to their needs, then they would prosper and they
wouldn't be living in squalor and be forced to leave. I would strongly
advocate that Indians become racists in the manner that I am; I think
that they could then maintain their heritage, advance their interests
and make their lives much better.
 
> Yeah, the idea of ethnic homelands really works (sarcasmsArcams)
 
Yes, it really works. However, if they don't develop them, it's not
our fault. If we were a given a homeland, then it would be developed
tremendously within a generation or two.
 
> As I said before, I'll change that from white man to the european
> invaders. That any better?
 
O.K. Pocahantas. But, of course, you are showing much more concern for
the interests of Indians than of White people so don't pretend there
is anything "equal" in your outlook.
 


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Subject: Re: a harmless question
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> who bought this country for you with blood???	This country was bought by
> the blood of many people of many races, not armies of boot-stomping white
> supremacicts.
 
Shut up. If you had anything intelligent to say, I might respond likewise.
Since you have shown yourself to be a complete idiot, you're not worth
the effort.
 
My single response to your silly question is called the Dred Scott
case. Go do some research; in it, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that
the U.S. was created BY whites, FOR whites. That case still stands,
it has not been overturned. Enough said.
 
> How about a lot of average middle -class white people, I know I'd beath a
> sigh of relief if people like you moved to Antarctica...
 
*I* am an average middle-class White man; there goes your argument (if you
ever had one in the first place). I know I'd breath a sigh of relief if you
moved to Africa or China or Japan where you could race-mix to your heart's
desire.
 
> Indian reservations were generally put on the poorest of land with no
> natural resources to speak. It would be difficult to build a country
> with no economic base.
 
Indians NEVER HAD AN ECONOMIC BASE YOU FOOL. They traded wumpum with
each other, ate nuts, berries and squirrels. That is why they couldn't
compete with the White man.
 
> "Separatists are just closet Supremacists"
 
Anti-racists are the true race-haters. The White race is the first
target of their hatred.
 
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                                  APendragon
                          AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: a harmless question
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In article <2u7b6c$8ge@mustang.alleg.edu>, Colonel Aureliano Buendia writes:
 
> 	Actually, it was a valid point. There have been black troops in  
> every war the US has fought.  Japanese-americans composed a highly honered  
> unit in Europe in WWII.  Right now the army is between 30 and 40 per cent  
> black, if I remember correctly.
 
What's your point? Sure many blacks fought despite the fact that they
weren't citizens.
 
> 	The comment certainly didn't deserve the venom you gave it.
 
Granted, it was a valid point and one which I am unprepared to answer
at this time since I am in the process of moving. I am willing to answer
the question at a future time when all of my stuff isn't packed in boxes,
at the storage locker and/or spread all over the house.
 
As for the venom, it was warranted. First, I never claimed that it was
"armies of boot-stomping white supremacists" as my "friend" tried to
claim. Ergo, he was purposely misrepresenting what I had said. Second,
as for venom, I don't see you chastising the ridiculous claims of my
opponents, so if venom is an appropriate way to deal with me, it is an
appropriate way for me to deal with detractors who have no valid
interests in promoting rational discussion. I will spit venom as I feel
is warranted.
  
>  First off, the post-civil war constitutional amendments freed the
> slaves and gave citizens of all races equal basis under the law. This
> pretty much blasts Dred Scott out of the water.  You'd look pretty silly
> trying to invoke D.S. in a court of law today.
 
I haven't said that I didn't agree with the 13th Amendment, only the
14th Amendment and thereafter. The 14th Amendment is contrary to the
founding purposes of the Constitution and was only implemented while
several state governments were occupied and/or under military threats
should they not pass it. I don't recognize its validity.
 
> 	Second, since when are supreme court decisions holy writ? The  
> *opinion* of Roger Tanny & co. was that this cuntry was created by and for  
> whites. Things change. I think if you asked today's supreme court to retry  
> D.S. as a historical curiousity, Dred Scott's claim to freedom would be  
> upheld 9-0. 
 
Fine. When are supreme court decisions holy writs? Just because the
supreme court might now decide that non-whites are members of this
nation wouldn't mean that they are. Anyways, I guess I'm agreeing with
you at this point that the decisions of the Supreme Court hold no
validity with respect to how one should make life-decisions. It is an
entirely political body whose opinions hold no bearing on anything.
 
>  He said *a lot*. Not all. There's always a few nuts in any town.
> Most middle class white people are not supremacists.
> I'm a middle-class white person, too. That's two to one, so far.
 
First, neither am I a White supremacist. Second, I never said that I was
standing up for a majority cause. Even if mine is a minority cause, my
rights are not subject to a democratic vote.
   
>> Indians NEVER HAD AN ECONOMIC BASE YOU FOOL. They traded wumpum with
>> each other, ate nuts, berries and squirrels.
> 	Hunting and gathering is an economic base.
> 	I think you mean they never had an industrial economic base. 
 
Superlative is a valid means of expression. Of course they had an economy
as I stated (they traded wampum). However, it was virtually nothing in
comparison to the white's economy and it certainly was incapable of
supporting either industrialization or rapid growth.
 
>>That is why they couldn't
>> compete with the White man.
> 
> 	No, they couldn't compete with the white man because white men had  
> these nice things calles "guns" as well as many nice new diseases.
> 	And Natives Americans came very close to wiping out the North  
> American settlements many times. Half the population of New England died  
> in King Phillip's War.  If it wasn't for the steady stream of new  
> immigrants, they'd have kicked our white asses into the Atlantic.
 

What! The Indians nearly wiped out the White settlers!!!! I thought
that they were peace-loving brothers who offered their wives as
comfort partners!!!

 
If the Indians nearly wiped out the settlers and succeeded in killing
close to half of the White population, they deserved the hatred they
got afterward.
 
> So it's not white people I dislike (I better not; my whole family
> is composed of them and my girlfriend's one), it's members of your little
> "White nation."  And while I dislike them, I mainly feel sorry for them,
> because they're really messed up.
 
Save your pity for someone who wants it.
 
    Arthur LeBouthillier
The White Race Must Survive


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I'm reordering certain parts of your last post in order to increase
understandability with respect to my responses.
 
> Not being a White power fan myself, I know this account of their
> ideas probably has many inaccuracies. So, aele., Jason and everybody,
> pleas comment and expand on what I have here.
 
Of course your viewpoint contains many broad generalizations which I
would not necessarily make. However, it captures a nugget of what I
believe. However, what I believe is still much different from what
you have said.
 
> The white race is descended from the Indo-European or Aryan peoples.
> These peoples, in the form of the Celts and later the Germans, conquered
> most of Europe.
 
Yes, to some degree that is true. Of course there were indigenous peoples
in Europe when our ancestors arrived there but they were either assimilated
or vanquished. Later, the Celts were themselves conquered by the Roman
empire (another Aryan people) after several hundreds of years of battles.
 
> Due to their intelligence and ability to adapt, they developed their
> technology and economies to the point where they were able to control
> the world in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
 
I wouldn't make that statement. There are a lot of reasons that we have
succeeded (and fallen), such as our social structures, worldviews
inherently passed through language and so forth. Part of our success
may stem merely from our isolation and lack of significant competitors.
 
> Unfortunately, they also separated into many different countries, 
> splitting what should be proper Aryan unity.
 
I wouldn't say that there has ever been "proper Aryan unity." I also
would not say that they "separated" into many different countries.
That they have become separated does not imply that they "separated"
(a passive as opposed to active verbiage). However, there is a
consistent racial identity among Whites around the World. Additionally,
because of our common backgrounds, there are many cultural ideals which
are virtually universally held among our peoples.
 
Moreover, recent developments (last 600 years or so) have brought about
a common European identity based on a concept called "race."
 
> The United States was founded by Aryans for Aryans, on genetically
> Aryan ideas of freedom and indiviudualism.
 
I don't know what you mean by "genetically Aryan ideas." I don't think
the issue is one of genetics (ideas aren't passed genetically). Our
cultures have a strong underlying respect for freedom which has existed
as a fundamentl part of the Aryan worldview.
 
The United States was founded by peoples of Aryan descent who wished
to form a country to represent their race and their racial ideal as
well as the many interests that they had (including the Christian
religion). The country was founded by racially-aware people who desired
to keep their lineage pure and ensure freedom and prosperity for their
future generations. First, they had created a number of different states
which were under British rule and from which they wanted their freedom.
Then, after a lengthy process of war and failed confederacy, they formed
a federation called the United States. This state was created by whites,
for whites and non-whites, although living among the people, were often
not considered citizens or fellow countrymen. In many instances, this
was codified into law. Some state Constitutions have aspects of this
(see the Oregon Constitution, the first California Constitution as well
as others).
 
>  The Founding Fathers were all racists and wrote the constitution
> specifically to institutionalize white power.
 
I can't say that all of them were because I don't have supporting
evidence of that. However, I know of some of them who were, Thomas
Jefferson being one of them. Since his "all men are created equal"
is an oft-quoted justification for race-mixing, I often use him as
an example of the untruth of that interpretation.
 
The Constitution was not written to institutionalize white power.
Power was to be institutionalized in the States with the Federal
government merely being a reflection of the state's own
institutionalization of white power. However, over time, power has
become more centralized in the federation to a degree that would
probably be frowned upon by the Founders.
 
For example, Jefferson when once asked about non-white citizenship
once replied that "technically, there is no such thing as US Citizenship.
Citizenship is left to the states and they may make citizens of non-whites
as they choose; however I would recommend against it." [I don't have
the reference for that but after much research I could probably find it]
As you can see, the conception of what the US was supposed to be is
significantly different than what is often portrayed today.
 
The 14th Amendment created the U.S.A. and its citizenship, bestowing
that citizenship on any fool born within the confines of the states of
the U.S. (and certain other possessions).
 
> Later Americans, decieved by visions of interracial harmony, destroyed
> that vision, and turned the US into the horrible place it is today.
 
I wouldn't say that either. Many Whites, seeing slavery and oppression of
non-whites as wrong, could no longer bear it. However, slavery wasn't the
sole cause of the Civil War, rather White Americans were fighting to 
maintain "the union." In fact, Lincoln (also a racist) wanted to send
the blacks back to Africa after the war but he was killed before he
could completely implement his plan [see Gore Vidal's book on Lincoln].
 
However, the result of the Civil War was the form of government we have
today: a strong centralized (not quite a) federation. Because of that
situation, the Fed became empowered greatly in its ability to define
the internal workings of states.
 
No, Americans came to believe that it was wrong to harm other people
merely because they weren't members of their race and therefore they
shouldn't be denied their rights. That is not to say that they weren't
racists or that they looked forward to "one brown race." The so-called
"visions of interracial harmony" are part of the Civil Privileges
movement. It has only been since the 50's and 60's that today's view
of America as a multi-racial melting pot came to be widely held. I 
reject those ideals.
 
> SInce there is no more hope for the US, the true Whites (those that
> follow the old Aryan culture) should go off and form a new country
> which will remain forever White.
 
I don't feel that there is any hope for the White race under the
current political structure. All of our interests are and will be
sacrificed by Washington in order to create "the new world odor"
with Washington D.C. as the central authority. I do feel that we should
form our own government and seek greater degrees of autonomy. I feel that
we should promote a positive racial idealism and work to make all of our
people understand the goodness of racism. To those who don't want to
accept White racialism and seek to deny our freedoms and rights, I will
not accept any kind of political agreements short of our complete
political independence from them.
 
My use of historical examples is merely a method to discount the anti-racist's
arguments about "the purpose" of America. America was created by whites, for
whites (the supreme court decided that) and it is clearly a lie to suggest
that the Founders desired the dissolution of the White race. "We the people"
were White, "our posterity" were the children of whites. I don't need to
use these historical viewpoints to promote my racialism; in fact, I usually
only use it to discount my opponent's false assertions.
 
    Arthur LeBouthillier
The White Race must survive.


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Subject: Re: a harmless question
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>> Actually, I hadn't intended to killfile you anyways. I was only going to
>> say that I was killfiling you and then ignore you.
>
> I'm impossible to ignore.
 
Actually, I "misspoke." I actually did put you in a killfile and then
I took you out because I figured that I could ignore you. I figured
that you might play some games but so what?
 
> Nah, I get my gollies seeing how pissed off I can make you.         
 
Oh, I just get so incredibly mad that I pull out all of my hair, scream,
jump up and down and pound my keyboard. This is the fifth keyboard I've
had since we've started our little "love-fest." [NOT!]
 
> I'll try to find one just for you.....
 
Sounds good; perhaps I'll Veronica-search for it myself.
 
> One problem with that. I am technically white.
 
You are probably of the proper lineages, yes. However, you are apparently
hostile to the maintenance of those lineages and shun attempts to promote
an identity which revolves around that. So, you're merely a Caucasian to me.
 
Again, what does white mean? What do YOU mean by it? Why are you white?
It has no scientific, non-normative validity; it is an identifier that we
have given to ourselves to represent who and what we are distinct from all
of the other peoples of the world. White means what we want it to mean; it
means those of us who want to remain true to our heritage and lineage
distinct from all others.
 
> But I'm also Irish (and a whole slew of other nationalities) I am very
> close to my Irish heritage. I am also very close to my English heritage.
> Both of those nationalities are white, yet neither culture is the same.
> My point is, there is no one definative 'white' culture and you're fooling
> yourself if you think that  there is.
 
Of course you are wrong. I am quite close to my own heritages and it is
possible to maintain several group identities. In fact, many people you
think of as perhaps British, English or Irish were also White. Just
because you don't know about it (because our politically-correct world finds
it necessary to remove all instances of White expression doesn't mean that
it wasn't based on that) doesn't mean that the producers of much of
American/European culture weren't White racialists.
 
Anyways, your idea that there is no such thing as a White culture
is specious. Like I said earlier, I'm in the process of moving and
so I don't even have a dictionary handy to define culture. Off the
top of my head, culture consists of those beliefs which are consistent
with the maintenance of a society and the products thereof. To me, that
would include those beliefs a people use as the foundation of their
identity, norms and folkways as well as the products of the work of
those people with those identities. Therefore, the Declaration of
Independence is a White cultural artifact, written by one particular
individual who was a member of White society. Much of what is called
"Western Civilization" is a White cultural artifact.
 
One of my favorite White poets is Rudyard Kipling. Additionally, such
people as Jack London, Butler, Yeats and many other authors have been
White as I mean it. Walt Disney was White as I mean it. White racial
identity was the norm up until the second world war when various
anti-White forces set about to destroy our culture.
 
In fact, everything that I say on this board is a product of White culture.
White culture consists of those ideas, ideals, beliefs, norms, folkways,
and the products thereof which promote White identity and a White society.
 
> Whoa!!!! Ok. Question. Do you consider the druids 'white'? What about
> the ancient greeks and romans? Cause all of them 'practiced'
> homosexuality (they went good enough at it yet, so they practiced
> it ;^)   )
 
Druids were the religious class of Celtic society; all ancient Aryan
societies were founded on a tri-partition with religious leaders,
warrior/administrators and workers. That the Druids may have also engaged
in homosexual acts means nothing and in fact may have been harmful to
Celtic society in general. The same with segments of Roman or Greek
society. The justification of anything has to do with its ultimate utility
in serving the ends of a society.
 
> O.K. So tell me. Why is homosexuality 'bad'? (yeah i'm jest waitin
> for a flame war :^)
 
Perhaps you should tell me why it's good. It is bad because it harms my
society. It takes potential breeders out of the population, and it creates
a hostile sub-culture. It also reflects a hedonistic vision of the
individual in society and, therefore, corrupts the individual's understanding
of his role in promoting society.
 
> My european family has been here since 1826. If they put soooo much
> value into their 'racial identity' and reallly thought it was that
> important don'tcha think that I'd be speaking gallic to you right now.
> I'm not. So obviously they thought that it wasn't that  important. Am i
> upset that they didn't think my culutural heritage wasn't important enough
> to pass from generation to generation. Fuck No! Does that make me any less
> irish (or lakota for that matter). No.
 
They probably decided that a White society was sufficient for them. They
didn't move to Africa and become a native did they? They didn't move
to China and become Chinese, they moved to America, which at that time was
an explicitly white country to which only whites could be citizens.
 
> No, wrong. I give a rats tail about everyone (rat's tail ????)
 
Yeah, rat's tail. I've been swearing too much lately; I'm trying a
swearer's anonymous approach to cutting it back: replacing normal
swear phrases like's "rat's ass" with "rat's tail."
 
> I don' particularly care for putting one group of people over another. 
 
I do. Moreover, you can't care for all people. You have finite resources
and time and the best you can do is to help a small body of people as much
as you can. Also, you aren't helping all people; you're harming whites with
your denial of our interests.
 
> Noone is creating laws stating that you can't celebrate being what ever
> nationality you are. Shit, look at the Saint Patty's day parade! Ain't
> that white?
 
Nonsense. The government takes our property and promotes multi-racialism.
Homosexuals want to march in Saint Patty's day (as a homosexual group)
instead of letting the damn Irish promote their norms and identity.
Schools regularly deny White students the right to White Student Unions.
The left constantly "protests" (and disrupts) all White organizations in
a manner that violates our rights. The government has all manner of laws
denying us exclusive associations and organizations at public facilites.
Then you have groups like the ADL and numerous other organizations which
are constantly decrying "racism" and misrepresenting it. I've worked at
putting on numerous marches and such where city officials play their little
games to deny us our right to march or demonstrate. A typical ploy of theirs
is to claim the necessity for insurance or clean-up fees (which they don't
demand of others) which the Supreme Court has decided is clearly illegal.
Don't pretend that there isn't hostility by this government towards whites.
 
> Hey, uncle sam is an EOS (equal opportunity screwer). He fucks all of
> us the same. From my black neighbors, to me, to my white neighbors.
> Watcha lookin for a free ride?(sarcasm)
 
Gee, "don't worry, you're not being screwed more than anyone else!" Baloney.
This country was created to represent whites and our interests. This
government is slowly denying that we exist or that we have any right to
want a white society. To hell with the government. In fact, as we lose
control over this continent, we have lost; while non-/anti-whites gain
control over this continent, they win.
 
> Scenerio 1.  [blah, blah, blah]
> Scenerio 2.  [blah, blah, blah]
 
Thank you, but I've got my own scenarios.
 
> Then go vote for david duke.  
 
I'll do much more than that.
 
>> First, I doubt seriously that you are member of any tribe.
>
> my gg grandmother was lakota.
 
But, again, that doesn't mean that YOU're a member of any tribe.
 
> you need to be  1/16th I beleive. Not sure if I qualify nor do I care.
 
What! You mean the Indians are racist too! I thought only hateful Whites
were the only people who had such racial categorizaton .
Are you now going to go onto a so-called Native American sub-group and
interfere with their racism? No. See, you aren't an equal-opportunity
annoyance.
 
> Oooo, which war did you fight in. You didn't buy shit in blood. My
> grandfather, part lakota indian, I might add, died for your freedom
> in WWII.
 
I doubt seriously that he fought for my freedom; I'm sure he had his own
reasons for fighting (perhaps some of which were misguided).
 
> How much blood of yours did you spill.
 
I haven't fought in any war; but that's not my fault. I served in the
Navy for six years; I served in the Persian Gulf.
 
> I'm not a lesbian. I'm bisexual. Jeez, get it straight (sort of)
 
In your dictionary, there's a difference. In mine, there's not. A female
bisexual is also a lesbian.
 
Arthur LeBouthillier


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Dear Sandra,

Shut up.

Sincerely yours,
Arthur LeBouthillier



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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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> I just came across this little piece of one of your messages, and it had
> the effect of a strong revelation upon me. I realized something.
 
Yes, it seems like an important revelation.
 
> The whole White ideology - or any Supremacist ideology, really - is
> revolving around a goal, an idea, whatever the idea might be.
 
Every ideology revolves around a goal. Every human action revolves
around goals. You are talking to me because you have the goal of
conveying some information to me. That information is based on your
disagreement of my goals with respect to your goals.
 
> The individual and his/her life counts very little in this, because the
> Idea is more important.
 
Well, that's not entirely true. The goal doesn't state how important
the individual is; it is up to the individual to decide how important
the goal is to himself. Then again, you're dealing with activists on
this board so we are more goal-oriented than others.
 
However, in the long term (as in centuries of social activity), single
lives count very small (with exceptions).
 
> Jason predicts bloodshed without a blink of an eye. I don't think he likes
> it, but he doesn't stop to consider and weight things - because this goal
> of his is already set in the highest level of his preferences.
 
Knowing Jason, it is apparent to me that he does consider such things;
however, he understands the importance of the goal and so he is saying
that he is willing to sacrifice a lot in order to reach the goal.
 
> Hedonism doens't have any place in his (or any Supremacist's world),
> there is no time for  self-indulgence for the obsessed.
 
That's not true. A number of white activists are hedonistic in their
pleasures but they also understand the importance of the goal. Personally,
I'm not very hedonistic; I've never been that way. However, there is a
time for hedonism and that is youth; once one gets to a certain point,
he must "get with the program."
 
> The Sumpremacist cares only about the society the way that he perceives
> it.
 
Not quite true; first, I'm not a supremacist, second, it would be
"conceives" not "perceives." White nationalists are driven towards
the goal of White survival. That's why we say such things as: "The White
race must survive" or we say that "We must secure the existence of our
people and a future for White children." We are stating our goals in those
slogans.
 
> The extremist Anti-Racist, on the other hand, drifts.
 
Not true. The extreme anti-racist is driven by goals too. Any activist
is driven by clear and precise goals. Most anti-racists are usually
inculcated in socialist/marxist ideology (whether they realize it or not).
Marx defined the goals and marxists promote those goals and ideals that
Marx laid out. It is an anti-ethnic/anti-racists ideology.
 
However, there are many anti-racists (whom I call liberals) whose
goals are as ill-defined as you talk about. These are people who equate
hedonism with good (again, whether they realize it or not). To them,
society is that social organization whose purpose is to ensure the
maximum hedonistic impulses for the greatest number. Their opposition
to racism mostly lies in the fact that it denies hedonism to others, not
because they truly understand what it means. Their ideology is founded
on naive (perhaps childish) notions of "society without effort." In
other words, society would operate perfectly (to them) if everyone just
stopped hating each other and let everyone else do whatever they wanted.
 
> The only thing that matters is what experiences can she/he stuff into
> their life. Progress is always inside rather then outside.
 
Yes, that is a clearly different viewpoint between liberals and racists.
Liberals believe in an atomistic society whereas racists generally believe
in an organic (or functionalist) approach to society. To the anti-racist,
society will come about merely as a result of the non-hostile efforts of
those involved (so they think). To the racist, it is the key founding
ideas of a society that permit it to exist for centuries or eons (or that
bring it its greatness); without those ideas, the society will crumble or
become something other than they intend it.
 
To racists, progress is the degree of social organization to promote the
race and the individual's acceptance of his responsibility to that. This
is often termed the "organic" society. To the anti-racist, progress is
usually defined as the ability of the society to permit the greatest
hedonism possible.
 
However, racists also believe in personal development but usually as a
means instead of as an end in itself. For us, the end is race and all
is sub-valued as a means to that end. For liberals, anything is the
goal as long as it doesn't interfere with other people's hedonistic
impulses.
 
> My hippy Anti-Racist doesn't have any set ideas about how society should
> look like.
 
That's part of the problem. Anti-racists think that a society is their
playground for experimentation. They seem to not realize that culture
is the key factor which holds a society together.
 
We racists would call these people "uneducated." They have no clue about
the long-developed knowledge that is incapsulated inside of a people's
culture. They are also "uncultured." Here is also a major difference
between racist and liberal society. To the racist, society is defined
with respect to the past as much as it is to the future; there must be a
concensus on issues of norms, goals and ideals and these things can only
develop properly over centuries of cohabitation. Racism is important
(in one way) because it ensures social stability.
 
Although liberals appear to place such great emphasis on personal
development, and formal education, they forget that there is another
kind of education that one will not learn at school: culture. Culture
develops over centuries and influences the manner in which every member
of a society interacts. The degree of cultural homogeneity and thus the
stability of a society can only properly develop over centuries and
therefore outside influences are to be integrated carefully. A racist
would be seen as one who values the prior premises of a society and
works to keep things in accordance with principles developed over
generations.
 
** To the racists out there **
 I think that we have to admit that our weakness in educating our
 people has been that we haven't provided sufficient justifications
 for why they should do things. For example, I saw one Morey Povich
 show where one racist girl was asked why she was doing what she was
 and she was incapable of defining WHY. For the most part, although
 our people instinctually understand what is to be done, they can't
 explain why. Without that ability, a liberal with a few well-supported
 arguments can appear smarter or better despite the fact that the
 liberal is ultimately wrong in his analysis.
** End sidenote **
 
> He cares about this society, but his point of action is the inside.
 
No, he has no "points of action" because no matter how much the individuals
in a society are "developed" individually, if they don't have certain
commonalities in their ideals and habits, then the society will disintegrate.
 
A society is not merely the aggregate sum of all people in a territory.
It is the aggregate sum of all people working toward common goals. Since
the liberal shuns common goals (or shuns previously-defined common goals),
he shuns the very principle on which society is founded. He seems to think
that the people will organize themselves into common goal-oriented units
but without cultural guidance, they are just as likely to associate
themselves with gangs or some other sub-cultural activity rather than the
founding premises of the society.
 
Usually, the liberal becomes the pawn of other long-developed social/ethnic
groups (or political movements) who have a longer-term view of ideals,
values, norms and their place in driving a society.
 
> From this point of view, one can't tell the colour of one's skin!
 
From your viewpoint, what does skin colour count for? Nothing. Obviously
a black is able to pursue hedonistic goals as well as any other. However,
that is because you have chosen to redefine society on the spot to
include whomever is within sight.
 
However, the racist conception of society reflects his ultimate concern
for a predefined body of people and their descendents. His apparent lack
of concern toward other peoples reflects his willingness to promote HIS
people ahead of all other minor interests.
 
> If this doesn't make any sense, I'm sorry, I wrote it quite impulsively.
 
No, it is a significant awareness. Liberals, though they appear to be
well-intentioned, are ignoring the basic realities of society-founding.
Society does not work because people are doing their own thing, but
because they are working towards commonly defined (and usually
previously-defined) goals.
 
From my perspective, liberalism is based on a naive conception of society
despite its apparent good intentions. Although liberals claim to hate
fascism, they are in fact the cause of it. Fascism is the extreme
expression of a people's will to be guided by a single overriding
ideology after the social fragmentation brought about by liberalism.
Although liberals think that they are doing everyone a favor by letting
them do what they want, the reality develops that people eventually have
NO guidance and thus seek simple guiding principles to correct the
liberal's damage to the society. This might seem to simple to you, but
based on my readings it appears to be a fact. The liberals, with their
naive knowledge of society demand hedonism which ultimately results in
a backlash against their damage (and then they don't understand the
real message that the people stated: they want to be ruled by simple,
common goals).
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
                                  APendragon
                          AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


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                 FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS: WHITE POWER
 
                        Last Update: 25 June 1994
 
RECENT UPDATES
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   Added Section - Hammerskin Chapters
   Added Section - International Contacts
   Added Book    - Spirit of '69
 
 
 
WHITE POWER
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What is White Power?
 
   White Power is an empowering philosophy of White racial nationalism and
   ethnicity. It refers to a diverse range of philosophies from leftist
   National Socialism, to White Pride, to rightist White Supremacy. Perhaps
   the simplest imperative about what White Power stands for exists in
   the "14 words" coined by former Bruder Schweigen member, David Lane:
 
                  We must secure the existence of our people
                  and a future for White children.
 
Where does the term White Power come from?
 
   Although it is possibly a response to black nationalist Stokely
   Carmichael's book _Black_Power_, the phrase "White Power" was a
   popular term coined by participants at a George Lincoln Rockwell
   rally in Marquedt Park, Illinois in 1967. Spontaneously the
   attendants started rallying behind the call for White Power. It
   has been a popular phrase since then and was the title of George
   Lincoln Rockwell's book _White_Power_.
 
What is an Aryan?
 
   Aryan is a term that many ancient Indo-European peoples called
   themselves. It means "good," "best," or "noble." The ancient
   Hindus called themselves Aryans and derivitives of this term
   are evident in the country-names of Erin (Ireland) and Iran (Aryan).
   Today, some people of the European branch of Indo-Europeans call
   themselves that as a unique indicator of who they are and what their
   racial ideals are.
 
What is ZOG?
 
   ZOG (for Zionist Occupation Government ) is a euphemism for those
   governments which purport to represent white people while actually
   subscribing to an anti-white agenda. These governments often put
   "Israel First," while seconding the interests and desires of racial
   and nationalist whites for the interests of multi-racial societies and
   world government.
 
Aren't all White Power advocates White supremacists?
 
    No. Supremacy refers to an alleged right to rule over other races.
    Although some White Power people are White Supremacists, many are
    not. Those who are not supremacists are actually White nationalists or
    separatists and advocate for the formation of a White homeland in
    a manner which does not deny the human rights of non-whites.
 
What differences are there in White Power groups?
 
   There are many different viewpoints collected under the term White Power.
   A few of the philosophical viewpoints are:
 
    Supremacists - Supremacist arguments state that the White race is
       inherently superior and therefore is justified in ruling over
       other peoples. They often state that Whites assuming power over
       all of the earth's inhabitants is doing them a favor since Whites
       are the only people superior enough to make good judgements.
 
    National Socialists - based on Adolf Hitler's doctrine as outlined
       in his book Mein Kampf, the adherents of this viewpoint often
       don't see this as a "right-wing" cause but rather as a racially
       progressive left-wing movement. National Socialism is founded
       on several doctrines: nationalism, the long-view of history and
       racism. It adheres to the viewpoint of The Leader Principle
       whereby a people are best led by strong leaders rather than by
       their inherent weaknesses which democracy brings out.
 
    Christian Identity - this religious doctrine believes that Whites
       are the true Israelites described in the bible. It adheres to a
       doctrine of two-creations in Genesis whereby God created all of
       the other animals and races and then created the Adamic (White)
       race. They cite the fact that Adam means "able to show blood in
       the face" which would refer uniquely to the White race. They also
       believe that Jesus's message has become corrupted because he did
       not come for all peoples, but as said in Matthew 15:24 "I am not
       sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
 
    White Nationalists - this refers to a number of ideological viewpoints
       which view the White race as an ethnic nation which must have its
       own homeland in order to survive. Its adherents believe that the
       only state which can legitimately represent the White race is one
       which is purposely organized to represent it.
 
    Separatists - this catch-all identifier applies to many people who
       are not ideological at all. They merely recognize that we Whites
       are a different people and that we must survive as a people. They
       advocate the separation of the races, usually in different
       homelands for the different races. Some separatists advocate
       "The Northwest Imperative" which calls for the formation of a
       White homeland in the Pacific Northwest.
 
    Often, many of these viewpoints are expressed within a single group.
    The members of these groups bring differing ideas about what the goals
    of White Power should be, what programs can best attain its ideals,
    what a good White society is and how a White nation-state should be
    organized. But, despite these differences they are all agreed on one
    point: The White race must survive.
 
What is a race?
 
    The word race derives from the Spanish word raza which means "line."
    It refers to genetic lineage. A race is a lineal ethnic group which
    because of its genetic heritage, exhibits unique phenotypic features
    or patterns. However, despite these genetic features, race also
    refers to an ethnicity and an ethnic identity that is based on these
    features. As racists use the term, it is not equivalent to the
    biological word "race" which is merely a sub-breeding group of a
    species. Although as racists use the term a race is a sub-breeding
    group of the human species, it also refers to a set of group ideals
    and norms consistent with the maintenance of that ethnic group.
 
What is racism?
 
    Racism is the promotion of a race and its interests. It refers to a
    desire to maintain a unique ethnic identity closely bound to the
    physical characteristics that define that group. It also refers to
    a whole body of social norms which are consistent with maintaining
    that group and promoting a society which is consistent with racial
    ideals.
 
What is race-mixing?
 
    Race-mixing is the mixing of races, also known as miscegenation.
    The term "race-mixer" refers to those who advocate mixed-race
    societies as an ideal and those who engage in sexual relations with
    those of other races. Race-mixing is highly frowned upon by racists
    and race-mixers are often severely admonished.
 
What is a Hammerskin?
 
   In Pink Floyd's _The_Wall_ movie, there is a video segment sung to
   the tune "Up against the Wall," where Pink takes on the visage of
   a powerful leader. During this sequence, hundreds of skinheads march
   through the street and chase the "Pakis" (Pakistanis) out of England.
   Although the movie is largely opposed to that viewpoint, young skinheads
   were emboldened by the image of strength and came to call themselves
   Hammerskins. As these groups spread throughout the U.S. and Canada,
   they took on regional prefixes like: Western Hammerskins, Northern
   Hammerskins, Confederate Hammerskins and other names.
 
Why do you hate?
Why do you hate Jews?
Why do you hate Blacks?
Why do you hate everybody?
 
   White Power advocates love their race. Because of that, they are
   strongly opposed to any attempts to harm it by means of loss of
   territory, loss of economic or political self-determination, loss
   of cultural identity, disenfranchisement or race mixing. In order to
   preserve their race and its interests, they are often willing to engage
   in hostile acts against perceived threats to it.
 
Why don't you get a life?
 
    White Power advocates do have lives which are based on different
    principles and ideals from those of race-mixers.
 
CONTEMPORARY BOOKS ON WHITE POWER
---------------------------------
 
The following are somewhat "objective" in their appraisal of White Power
advocates:
 
    Blood In the Face by James Ridgeway
 
    The New Reich: Violent Extremism in unified Germany and beyond
        by Michael Schmidt
 
    Skinheads shaved for battle: a cultural history of American Skinheads
	by Jack B. Moore
 
    The Silent Brotherhood: Inside America's Racist Underground
        by Kevin Flynn and Gary Gerhardt
 
    Is God a racist?: the right wing in Canada
        by Stanley R. Barrett
 
The following are heavily biased against White Power and often misrepresent it:
 
    Armed and Dangerous: The rise of the survivalist right
        by James Coates
 
    Brotherhood of Murder
        by Thomas Martineze with John Guinther
 
    Free to Hate: The rise of the right in post-communist Eastern Europe
        by Paul Hockenos
 
    Skinhead Streetgangs
        by Loren Christensen. Paladin Books ISBN 0-87364-756-4
 
    Skinheads shaved for battle: a cultural history of American skinheads
        by Jack B. Moore
 
    Any ADL publication
 
MAGAZINE ARTICLES ABOUT WHITE POWER AND WHITE POWER SKINHEADS
-------------------------------------------------------------
 
    "Mainstream" Hatred by Mira L. Boland, ADL in The Police Chief
    magazine, June 1992 (other articles can be found in that issue
    and in other issues).
 
    Hitler's Offspring by Martin A. Lee in The Progressive, March 1993
 
    Hatred Rising: The Sound of Jackboots in Europe and Russia
        by Derek Ingram in World Press Review February 1994
 
    Inside South London's Nazi Headquarters
        in New Statesman and Society (British magazine) January 1993
 
    Long Day's Journey Into White by Kathy Dobie,
        in The Village Voice April 28, 1992
 
 
BOOKS AND ARTICLES OF INTEREST TO THOSE WITH A WHITE IDENTITY
(thought-provoking books and articles with supportive arguments)
----------------------------------------------------------------
 
  Articles:
    America's Changing Colors
       in Time magazine, 9 April 1990
 
    Can American Democracy Survive? by Bruce D. Porter
       in Commentary November 1993
 
    Race Unconsciousness and the White Male by Frederick R. Lynch
       in Society magazine Jan/Feb 1992
 
    Seeds of Racial Explosion by Timur Kuran
       in Society magazine October 1993
 
    The Ordeal of Immigration in Wausau by Roy Beck
       in The Atlantic Monthly, April 1994
 
    The American Family Transformed by David A. Hamburg
       in Society magazine Jan/Feb 1993
 
  Books:
    Ethnic Identity: The Transformation of White America
       by Richard D. Alba
 
    Tribes: How Race, Religion and Identity Determine Success in the
       New Global Economy by Joel Kotkin
 
    Spirit of '69    Available from:
       S.T Publishing
       PO Box 12
       Dunoon, Argyll
       PA23 7BQ
       Scotland
 
 
 
WHITE POWER BOOKDEALERS
-----------------------
 
   Aryan Free Press Books, P.O. Box 6853 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
   National Vanguard Books, P.O. Box 330 Hillsboro WV 24946
 
   NS Publications, Box 27486 Milwaukee WI 53227
 
-- "Those who do not read have no advantage over those who cannot read." --
 
WHITE POWER NEWSLETTERS, NEWSPAPERS AND MAGAZINES
-------------------------------------------------
 
   Aryan Free Press Books P.O. Box 6853 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
   Aryan Nations/Church of Jesus Christ Christian
   P.O. Box 362 Hayden, Idaho 83835
 
   The Balance
   C/O Cause
   1101 Post Oak Blvd. Suite 9497
   Houston, TX 77056
 
   Instauration
   Howard Allen Enterprises, Inc.
   Box 76
   Cape Canaveral, Florida 32920
   $20/year students $30/year regular
 
   The Jubilee [ A wonderful Christian Identity newspaper ]
   P.O. Box 310
   Midpines, CA 95345
 
   National Vanguard
     by National Alliance P.O. Box 330 Hillsboro WV 24946
 
   New Order
     by NSDAP-AO P.O. Box 6414 Lincoln, Nebraska 68506
 
   NS Kindred P.O. Box 256 N.S.J. Ca 95960
 
   Plexus: A National Socialist Theoretical Journal
     by National Worker's League P.O. Box 642376 Omaha Ne 68164-8376
     
   Stormfront: Forecast for Tomorrow
   P.O. Box 6637
   West Palm Beach, FL 33405
   
   WAR P.O. Box 65 Fallbrook Ca. 92088
 
   The War Eagle P.O. Box 6881 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
HAMMERSKIN CHAPTERS  * denotes where to write to said band
-------------------
  
Confederate Hammer Skins:   
   PO Box 741314 dallas, TX, 75374-1314 
   PO Box 460837 Garland, TX, 75046-0837 
   PO Box A0211 Oklahahoma City, OK, 73162      
   PO Box 772 Tulsa OK 74101  
   1926 HWY. 31 S. Ste.101 Birmingham, AL 35244    
   PO Box 88 Butler, TN, 37640 
   PO Box 670781 Marietta, Ga 30066-0130      
   661 Blanding Blvd. Ste. 329 Orange Park, Fl. 32073
 
Northern Hammer Skins:     
   PO Box 6773 East St. Paul, MN 55106 *Bound for Glory & Vanguard
   PO Box 734 Midlothian, Il 60445 *Final Slution   
   PO Box 08-1371 Rochester, MI 48308 * Max Resist
   PO Box 03, Kenosha WI 53141    
   PO Box 33 Germantown, WI 53022    
   PO Box 600 Stevens Point, WI 54481
   PO Box 1845 Stow, OH 44224-0845
   913 Bristol, IN 46507        
   3404 St Louis, MO 63143       
 
Eastern Hammer Skins:    
   PO Box 9441 Newark, DE 19714-9441 *Nordic Thunder
   PO Box 273 Earlville, PA 19519
   PO 21 Stewartstown, PA 17363
   PO Box 410444 East Cambridge, MA 02141   
 
Canada:  
 
Northern Hammer Skins:     
   34026 Lachine, Quebec H8S 4H4 *Ragnarok & Involved Patriots
   46079 Co.P. Gal   ies Chagnon, Levis, G6V-8S3
   252 Winnipeg, Man R3C 2G9
   6054 Station A, Toronto, On. M5W 1X4 *White Riot
   265 Surrey, BC, V3T 4W8 *Odin's Law
 
Europe:    
 
   Swiss Hammerskins: PO Box 656, 6014 Littau
   German Hammerskins: PO Box 1133, 6830 Schwetzingen
   British Hammerskins BM Box 1245 London WC1N 3XX
   Charlemagne Hammerskins: BP 142, 94733 Nogent s/Marne Cedex, France
   Exiled Charlemagne Hammerskins: c/o Northern Hammer Skins, St. Paul
   Bohemia Hammerskins PO Box 70 Trutnov 4, 54102 Czech Republic
        PO Box 49, Hronov 1, 59431
	PO Box 8, Slapanice, 66451
        PO 100, Novy Jicin, 74111
 
Australia:   
 
   Southern Cross Hammerksins: 
      533, Moorabbin, Victoria 3189 *Fortress
      186, Annandale, NSW, 2038    
 
 
INTERNATIONAL CONTACTS
----------------------
 
British National Party
P.O. Box 117
Welling Kent DA
163 DW
 
Afrikaner Res. Movement    	 
POS BUS 4118                     
Pretoria 0001                    
South Afrika
 
Ethnic Peoples Worldwide Fed.
CP2544 CH1002
Lausanne, Switzerland
 
 
 
MUSIC, T-SHIRTS, SKINZINES
--------------------------
 
For North American White Power music, contact:
 
                       Krowbar Records
                       P.O. Box 40383
                       Baton Rouge, Louisiana
                       70835-0383, USA
 
                       Nordic Wolfpack!
                       P.O. Box 8
                       13143 Monk, Piereefonds
                       Montreal, Quebec
                       H8Z 1T4 Canada
 
                       Resistance Records
                       P.O. Box 24700
                       Detroit, Michigan
                       48224, U.S.A.
 
                       Totenkopf Services
                       1040 S. Mount Vernon
                       Suite 123
                       Colton, CA
                       92324, USA
 
For all Skrewdriver T-Shirts or CD's, contact:
 
                       Renewal of Identity (R.I.D.)
                       P.O. Box 249
                       Derby DE21 9EG
                       England
 
For the latest in White Power music, read:
 
                      Blood & Honour
                      B.M. Box 5608
                      London, WC1 3XX
                      England
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Blood & Honor
                      P.O. Box 1234
                      Long Beach, CA
                      90801 USA
 
                      $3.00/issue US and Canada
                      $4.00/issue International
                      $18.00/6 issues US and Canada
                      $24.00/6 issues International
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Rampage: A Skinhead Voice
                      P.O. Box 19
                      Coalville
                      Leicester LE67 1DS
                      England
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      SledgeHammer: The Voice of the White Nations,
                      by the Northern Hammer Skins
                      PO Box 428
                      Gatineau Quebec, J8P 7A1 Canada
 
                      $25.00/yr. (12 issues) in Canada
                      $30.00/yr. U.S.
                      $35.00/yr. Overseas
                      All rates are in Canadian funds
    
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Resistance
                      The Music Magazine of the True Alternative
                      P.O. Box 24700
                      Detroit, Michigan 48224 USA
 
                      $12.00/yr (4 issues)
 
                      Resistance is one of the best quality White Power
                      music magazines around.
 
 
HOTLINES ( Telephone numbers to hear a White Power message )
------------------------------------------------------------
 
                      WAR (White Aryan Resistance)
                      Fallbrook, California, USA
                      (619) 723-8996
 
                      Equal Rights for Whites
                      Canada
                      (416) 699-4868
 
                      Euro-Canadian Action Line
                      Canada
                      (416) 631-3545
 
                      Info Line for Shows & Events
                      (416) 631-3927
 
POWS   Soldiers captured while fighting for their racial nation
----   --------------------------------------------------------
 
   David Tate W/155209                Frank Silva #09993-016
   Missouri State Prison              B2 Room 422
   P.O. Box 900                       P.O. Box PMB
   Jefferson City, MO 65102           Atlanta, GA 30315
 
 
   David Lane #12873-057              Bruce Pierce 04181-085
   P.O. Box 1000                      P.O. Box 1000
   Leavenworth, KS 66048              Marion, IL 62959
 
 
   Randy Evans 09882-016              Gary Yarbrough
   P.O. Box 1000                      #09883-016 US PEN.
   Marion, IL 62959                   A-206 P.O. Box 1000
                                      Leavenworth, KS 66048
 
   Yorie Von Kahl 04565-059           Richard Scutari
   Box 1000, J-3 Unit                 #34840-080
   Lewisburg, PA 17837                P.O. Box 1000
                                      Marion, IL 62959
 
MARTYRS: Those who gave their lives for their race
--------------------------------------------------
 
Kathy Ainsworth
 
Gordon Kahl
  Died: 3 June 1983
  Summary: A leader of the Posse Commitatus, Gordon Kahl was shot
    and immolated by the FBI.
 
Robert Jay Mathews
  Born: 16 January, 1949
  Died: 8 December 1984
  Summary: Founder of the Bruderschweigen (The Silent Brotherhood),
    sometimes called The Order. Bob Mathews fought for his racial
    nation until he was immolated by the FBI at a Whidbey Island
    shootout.
 
Samual Weaver
  Died: 21 August 1992
  Summary: 14-year old Samual was shot in the back by Feds who were
    trespassing on his father's property.
 
Vicki Weaver
  Died: 4 June 1983
  Summary: Shot in the face by Fed sniper Lon Haruchi while holding
    her baby.
 
 
 We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children
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> All right you ignorant fool.
 
Oh! please, he called me a name. My ego is soooo deflated.
 
> I am going to give you a lesson in pre European history in North America,
 
Is it going to cost me? I won't pay.
 
> or as it was called then, Turtle Island.
 
They were wrong.
 
> Trade routes went all over the place with some going almost from the
> bottom of South America to the far reaches of northern Canada.
 
I said:
 
        Indians NEVER HAD AN ECONOMIC BASE YOU FOOL. They traded
        wumpum with each other, ate nuts, berries and squirrels.
 
Despite the fact that I was merely speaking in superlative, I'll correct
my statement:
 
        Indians DID HAVE AN ECONOMIC BASE YOU FOOL. They traded
        wumpum with each other, ate nuts, berries and squirrels.
 
There, is that better?
 
> There were Jade bracelets found in Plains buirial mounds that came from
> places that would've been several years journey for these people.
 
Big deal. Am I supposed to be impressed? They traded wumpum for jade
bracelets. Wow! I'm impressed.
 
> The only difference being that these people traded for survival, not
> mere possesion.
 
Big deal. What wonderful people.
 
> There were whole rituals and cellebrations based on the idea of giving
> all of your material possesions away as a sign of importance and status.
 
Well, great; they showed us their importance and status by giving away
North America.
 
> The majority of the ideas used to set up the Canadian and United States
> governments came from the confederations of tribes around the Great Lakes.
> Look it up.
 
No, you provide evidence. It is SURMISED by people like yourself that that
is the case because no conclusive evidence exists to support your claim.
Of course knowledge of republics, constitutions and democracy are evident
in the writings of Aristotle, Plato and other European philosophers with
whom the founding fathers were well versed. Lastly, so what even if that
were true?
 
Arthur LeBouthillier


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Subject: Re: a harmless question
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> "It would be a very strange thing if Six Nations of ignorant savages
> should be capable of forming a scheme for such a union, and be able to
> execute it in such a manner as that it has subsisted ages, and appears
> indissoluable; and yet that a like union should be impracticable for ten
> or a dozen English colonies."
>		--Benjamin Franklin
 
This is proof of nothing other than that Franklin was impressed by the
longevity of the Iroquois national pact. However, like he said, they
were "ignorant savages."
 
Despite the fact that the eagle might be the Iroquois eagle (which has
not been adequately established), as I recall, Franklin wanted to use the
turkey as the national bird because he saw the eagle as a scavenger.
 
> Franklin made much of the Iroquois model in the Albany Plan of 1754, a
> congress attended by Iroquois and other Indian delegates. See Johansen,
> Bruce. 1990. "Native American Societies and the Evolution of Democracy in
> America, 1600-1800," Ethnohistory 37, no. 3 (Summer): 279-90.
 
But again, this is proof of nothing. I'll see if I can find the source.
 
> As Ronald Wright notes in his "Stolen Continents", "So it is that the
> eagle on the United States shield is the Iroquois eagle and the bundle of
> arrows in its grasp originally numbered not thirteen but five."
 
Ronald Wright said it, it must be true. I don't accept his conclusion,
please post some of his reasoning behind this. You still have not
ascertained that 1) the eagle is the Iroquois eagle, 2) that even should
that eagle be the Iroquois eagle, how that reflects on the claim that
the constitution is founded on principles established by the Iroqouis
nation.
 
There is no doubt that Franklin and Jefferson were impressed with the
Iroqouis nation. That they may learned something from it is probably
not disputable. I'm sure they examined many different forms of government,
including Asian, Arabic, and many others in order to establish what they
thought would be the best representative form of government for Whites in
America (but they were doing it for Whites). However, like I said, what
would it matter? I personally don't have any problems with borrowing
ideas or technology from other peoples and using it to the advantage of
the White nation. This may have been the approach of both Jefferson and
Franklin.
 
The claim was:
 
> The majority of the ideas used to set up the Canadian and United States
> governments came from the confederations of tribes around the Great
> Lakes. Look it up.
 
What are the "ideas" that might have been used to found a government
like the U.S.? First, there are the ideas of constitutions and republics
which, as I pointed out, were already talked about by Aristotle. There
are the ideas of "separation of powers" and "checks-and-balances" whose
origin is unknown to me. There are the ideas of representative government
which were layed out by Locke (whose ideology is reflected in the
Declaration of Independence). Our judiciary was founded on British
principles of law. The idea of a Senate comes from the Roman Empire.
 
It has yet to be shown that it is a "majority of ideas" taken from
tribal sources which defined the governments of the US and Canada.
Obviously, like I said, the Founding Fathers were well aware of the
various forms of government since they had been layed out in the
various political and social texts of the West.
 
Again, justify the statement (as well as its significance to anything).

Arthur LeBouthillier



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>  Logic helps little, because racism (and religion - but don't get me wrong
> here, I really don't bake religion and racism in the same pot) are not
> based on logic.
 
Oh! And this is coming from the woman who claimed that a people who hadn't
developed out of the hunter/gatherer stage of social development had reached
the final stage of civilization....
 
> Single lives count very small? Compared to what?
 
Compared to the knowledge and ideals that bind a people as one organic
entity.
 
> Who is this referee up there in the skies that judges individual life as
> valueless?
 
As usual, you've got it all wrong. It is the responsibility of the one
making the claim of importance or value to back his statement, not the
other way around. 
 
> I simply don't think of this society the same way that you do. Society
> concerns me individual by individual, not as a glutinous mass.
 
That's not a society, that's an amusement park.
 
>  do you see other nations as natural enemies of your nation?
 
No. Potentially, they could be enemies but that is dependent upon
how hostile they are to our existence and interests.
 
> Isn't this what the white nationalism is based upon?
 
No; it is based on the survival of the White nation. Isn't your viewpoint
based on the hatred of all nations (except the Inuit nation, of course)?
 
> And what is your objection to this kind of society? Why is hedonism
> so evil?
 
Because it devalues everything and establishes nothing of permanence.
To me, it represents randomness and noise, not goal-directedness.
 
> Are you willing to disconsider my efforts just because it's not aimed
> to work towards YOUR society?
 
Yes.
 
> Does that take away the value of my effort?
 
Of course it does. How is value determined in your ideology except by
the immediate gratification it serves?
 
>  I have a hedonistic ideology, while at the same time I go nuts if I
> don't have a job.
 
Right, how else are you going to buy all those clothes and such?
 
> I have the feeling that you people think that at the end of the time,
> the "progress" of Earth will be measured and given a mark, and compared
> to other alien civilization.
 
It is constantly being evaluated. However, to me, the only true mark of
progress lies in the benefit, living standards and security of my race.
 
> Does the value of a civilization measure in the amount of rock beaten
> into shape of monuments and cities?!
 
Not necessarily.
 
> Functionalist toward WHAT?  
 
Towards the ends of the society.
 
> So, after this big unfolding of events taht the racists are expecting
> for this planet, would the world just live in a kind of paradis-like
> state?
 
No.
 
> I cannot help but bring up this methaphor for racism (note: I still
> don't consider them the same!) religion, (Christianity) in which all
> through his life the religious person prepares for what is about to
> come for him after death, disconsidering what he has RIGHT HERE.
 
Of course it is only a metaphor. Part of the benefit of racism is also
the society that exists RIGHT HERE.
 
The difference lies between your consumerist, hedonistic worldview and
the worldview of one who plans for the future through middle- and
long-term investments. Yours is a "borrow like all hell and shop 'till
you drop" viewpoint while the children wallow in ignorance and decay.
The children of hedonism are shallow and without heart; they don't
understand discipline and they are unable to forego short-term pleasure
for long-term benefit.
 
> No, hah. "PErsonal development" is like a boat without paddles, one never
> knows where it will take them.
 
Nonsense. There is an old saying that "he who aims at nothing is
guaranteed to hit it." I think that aptly expresses the problems with
your worldview.
 
Of course, that is the problem with your societal viewpoint: it is a
boat without paddles. Any such boat is as dangerous to its passengers
as it is to other "boats" (speaking metaphorically).
 
> One does not start "developing himself" with the knowledge of where
> will one end up.
 
Nonsense.
 
> If you TRULY want to develop yourself, then don't think of where you
> WANT to end up.
 
In case you didn't get it the first two times, let me rephrase
that: "nonsense."
 
> This will limit your development. Personal development the way that you
> describe it is just a snack wolved down in a hurry on the margin of the
> road that takes you to this "goal".
 
Uh...let me restate this yet a different way: "nonsense."
 
Arthur LeBouthillier


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