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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: 'Revisionist' Lies, Case Study: Bellinger and Grese
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 23:33:30 GMT
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Most "revisionist scholars" repost the lies of
others. Some, however, have their own, personal,
style of lying. Joseph Bellinger, the "revisionist"
who posted here under a few aliases ("fafner13",
"tutu101", "rblackmore") is, possibly, the most
ruthless liar among the "revisionists". Here is
a truly spectacular example.

Using the "fafner13" alias, Bellinger tried to portray
the SS-men and women in Belsen as "victims", who were
afraid of the "disease carrying inmates", and to claim
that they didn't approach them:

 From: fafner13@aol.com (Fafner13)
 Message-ID: <19961228142400.JAA10662@ladder01.news.aol.com>

# Of course they were frightened.....Who in their right mind
# would want to expose themselves to the disease carrying
# inmates from other camps?  Irma Grese came right out and
# said it at her trial.....she said she wouldn't go
# near the inmates at belsen as she was frightened of them.

This is what Grese REALLY said:



 Q. At Belsen, have you ever struck a prisoner at all?

 A. Yes, but only with my hand. The condition of the prisoners
    was so bad that one had almost a horror of them.



(BTW, the "only with my hand" is in contrast to Auschwitz,
where, as she testified, she beat inmates with a stick).

Note how Bellinger transformed Grese's testimony - that she
"only" beat the inmates with her hand, as they were in such
a terrible condition - to the claim that she didn't go near
them, because she was "frightened" of them.

(Note that Bellinger didn't offer any excuse for his lie.
He didn't cite any other source from which he could have
derived his "imaginative" version of Grese's testimony. And
I have not seen any such source).

Get it, boys and girls?

She said that she beat them with her hand, but, Bellinger
tells us, she "wouldn't go near the inmates".

Sheesh. Must have been a really long hand?

Can anyone believe that this can possibly be a mistake
on Bellinger's side? The question is, how can one make
so many "mistakes", in which he totally distorts the
meaning of, and the facts in, the original text?

Posted/e-mailed to Mike Stein, whose response I'd like to see.


-Danny Keren.







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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 23:33:30 GMT
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Most "revisionist scholars" repost the lies of
others. Some, however, have their own, personal,
style of lying. Joseph Bellinger, the "revisionist"
who posted here under a few aliases ("fafner13",
"tutu101", "rblackmore") is, possibly, the most
ruthless liar among the "revisionists". Here is
a truly spectacular example.

Comment:  Thanks for that vote of confidence Daniel.  I guess
that article really got to you, eh?  Truth hurts sometimes, doesn't
it?

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