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From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 08:16:28 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  # Already posted the fact that Kramer thought the river was
>  # polluted.
>  
>  Not a good enough excuse. Think of something better.

What is better than the truth?  You and I have different standards.
>  
>  # Mr. Giwer also makes a good point when he adds that the
>  # British had to have provided some special filtering
>  # apparatus for the water to have been made drinkable.
>  
>  And where is this "special filtering apparatus" mentioned?

Need it have been mentioned?  Use your God-given common sense
Sometimes there is more than meets the eye......
>  
>  
>  -Danny Keren.
>  
>  
>>>>



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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   Keith Morrison  writes:
>  Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>  > 
>  > >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  > 
>  > 
>  > >  >    Answer:  rblackmore has evidently not researched it.  The modern
>  > >  >  treatment is nutrition and intenstive fluid replacement.  Kramer provided neither.  He
>  > >  >  cut off the water.  Medially speaking that was certain to kill those suffering from
>  > >  >  dystentery.
>  > 
>  > >  Yes, this is what I have already said.  However, you have already stated that
>  > >  all Kramer need have done was removing the putrifying corpses from the
>  > >  stagnant water in the compounds and everyone could then guzzle water to their
>  > >  heart's content.....By the way, fluid replacement in this case would have to be
>  > >  administered intravenously.
>  > 
>  >         Where did the water the British supplied come from?
>  
>  Ice from Antarctica thoughtfully provided by the Nazi UFOnauts?
>  
>  --
>  Keith Morrison
>  t08o@unb.ca
>  
>>>>
Well, that's a clever reply.  And I suppose the food could have come
>from  your buttocks.....


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 08:16:30 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <3250499C.1E8A@unb.ca> - Keith Morrison Mon, 30 Sep
>  1996 19:28:45 -0300 writes:
>  :>
>  :>> 
>  :>>         Where did the water the British supplied come from?
>  :>
>  :>Ice from Antarctica thoughtfully provided by the Nazi UFOnauts?
>  
>  That, or else it was carted in single-handed by l'il Erniekins Zuendel, at the
>  tender age of 5 or whatever.
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
You might hurt Mr. Zundel's feelings.....Don't you believe in the golden rule?


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 08:16:31 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>    
>  >  >  	Answer:  rblackmore has evidently not researched it.  The modern 
>  >  >  treatment is nutrition and intenstive fluid replacement.  Kramer provided neither.  He 
>  >  >  cut off the water.  Medially speaking that was certain to kill those suffering from 
>  >  >  dystentery.
>  
>  >  Yes, this is what I have already said.  However, you have already stated that
>  >  all Kramer need have done was removing the putrifying corpses from the 
>  >  stagnant water in the compounds and everyone could then guzzle water to their
>  >  heart's content.....By the way, fluid replacement in this case would have to be
>  >  administered intravenously.
>  
>  	Where did the water the British supplied come from?
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Already answered.  Now, don't you feel foolish for asking this so many times?


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 08:16:31 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  >  No, it does not.  You seem to have a problem with it though.  The two cases
>  >  are not relevant, and neither are the circumstances.  If you don't mind, I really
>  >  don't want to enter into a discussion on Auschwitz just yet.  I am still researching.
>  
>  	Then tell us about the research that you claim you did.  You have read the 
>  testimony posted here.  The British supplied water to the camp in matter of hours 
>  using the camp equipment.
>  
>  	Where did they get the water?
>  
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
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This question has been answered in a recent reply to B. Harmon.  Follow
the yellow brick road....


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 08:16:32 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 30 Sep 1996 02:07:15 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  >>  mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
>  >>  

>  >>  
>  >>  "Did you find any reason why water should not have been provided
>  >>  in that camp?"
>  >>  
>  >>  "I can think of none".
>  >>  
>  >>  Quoted from the testimony of Major Berney, "The Belsen Trial",
>  >>  p. 54.

Perhaps he should have thought a bit harder.
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>  -Danny Keren.
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >

>  
>>>>



From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 08:16:32 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>  

>  
>  
>  
>  
>  -Danny Keren.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Already addressed this.  Ehlert was a liar who extorted what little possessions
some of the internees had managed to sneak in with them.  She was out to
save her own hide.  


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 08:16:33 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Human tattooed skins and Jars of Stomachs
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Here are some revealing comments from Seaghan Maynes, a war
 correspondent with the British Press Association.  He later worked
for Reuters, accompanying General Patton on his advance through
France and into Germany.  Later Mr. Maynes covered the liberation
of many concentration camps, as well as covering the trials at Nuremberg.
According to Mr.  Maynes:

There was a lot of phoney stories written about the camps.  The reality was
bad enough, but often some correspondents were inclined to exaggerate.
For instance, I was in Buchenwald when we were told that there were
human skins down in the medical unit.  There was a Czech doctor there,
and sure enough, there was a book bound with human skin, with tattoos
on it.  But the odd thing was that the doctor, who was Jewish and an inmate
of the camp, showed us two stomachs preserved in glass jars:  the stomach of
an inmate, all shrunken, and the stomach of a guard, with some fat on it.  It
struck me odd that the Germans should have allowed the stomach of a guard
to be stuck into a glass for exhibition in this doctor's surgery.  Also, why did the 
doctor have the skins?  Presumably whoever wanted them should have taken
them.  There are some odd little stories arising out of these well-publicized events.
At one camp we went into, within half an hour there were typewriters going in one
of the buildings, and there were inmates, chaps who didn't seem to have been mistreated
at all, sitting typing out press releases and handing out press statements about what had
happened to the inmates.  And we'd just entered the damn place!  So there was a degree
of organization there.

(At Mauthausen)....

There was a young British paratroop officer with us, who must have been about 22,
whose job was to find out as much as he could about what had happened to the 
British paratroopers in Mauthausen, and I had to stop him flogging one of the guards,
a very elderly man, who wasn't answering the questions as well as the young chap thought
he should.  I felt he was UNABLE to give any information-he was an elderly chap who
looked as though he had been employed in the cook house....I thought it was a bit odd 
that his hands were tied to the bars of a window, and he was being flogged-a pretty poor
example of trying to get information out of a suspect.  These little things stick in your
mind, things that should not have been, that caused you to think about humanity,
brutality, and so on.

End of Quotes.

Well, these two narratives sure help to explain quite a bit, in my opinion.  First, it
makes me wonder exactly WHO prepared those human skins and WHY-the "guards" or
the INMATES?  As to the second quotation, I think I will file this along with my notes of Hoess's
"interrogation".......And there will be more to come.  What was that Nizkor wrote about
Germans not being tortured to extract confessions....?  


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 08:16:34 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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>   Brian Harmon  writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  > 
>  >>>
OK.  This is a good place to start.  Now, what happened to Bischoff?  Did
he ever give testimony at a trial?  Did he ever make a written statement concerning
this alleged document?  

Also, what happened to Kammler?  Any testimony or additional statements from him?

Finally, the documents about crematoria do not prove people were being gassed.
Also, the blowers in the undressing room were more powerful than the ventilators
in the alleged "gas chamber".  It should have been the other way around.

If you can supply adequate answers to the questions above, we might get somewhere.
I'll bet you can't do it-try as you might.

 regards the construction of the new crematorium building, it was
>  necessary to start immediately in July 1942 because of the situation
>  caused by the special actions.

What are these "special actions"?

>  Letter from SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Bischoff, of the Auschwitz construction
>  department, to SS General Kammler, January 29, 1943
>  [REIT, p. 158]

Who found this document, when, and where?  And who verified that it was
authentic?  Did Kammler verify that it was authentic and that he received it?

  Crematorium No. 2. The completed furnaces have been started up in
>  the presence of Engineer Prufer from Messers. Topf (of Erfurt). The
>  planks cannot yet be moved from the ceiling of the mortuary cellar
>  on account of frost, but this is not important, as the gassing
>  cellar can be used for that purpose. The ventilation plant has
>  been held up by restrictions on rail transport, but the installation
>  should be ready by February 20th.

What do you imagine the "gassing cellar" was?  Homicidal?  Or to delouse the 
clothing that had been taken from the people in the undressing room?

  Letter from SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Jahrling to SS-General Kammler
>  estimating the number of corpses that can be disposed off in 24 hours
>  in the Auschwitz crematoriums, June 20 1943

What happened to Jahrling?  Do you have any additional testimony or statements
>from  either him or Kammler in regard to the letter?  If not, I would suggest that your
documentation is very poor.

  Letter from SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Jahrling to Topf & Sons, March 6 1943
>  [Pressac, p. 221]


Of course, you can explain the above with further statements....Wasn't there
a raging typhus epidemic in the camp during the dates in question-1943.  Any
idea as to how many people died?

>  At the same time, we would ask you to send an additional quotation
>  for the modification of the air-extraction installation in the
>  undressing room.
>  

Finally, the documents about crematoria do not prove people were being gassed.
Also, the blowers in the undressing room were more powerful than the ventilators
in the alleged "gas chamber".  It should have been the other way around.

>  


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 08:16:35 PDT 1996
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>   Brian Harmon  writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  > 
>  > >
Well, you have answered your own question.  It was not Kramer who had
ordered these Hungarians, who were new to the camp, to mistreat prisoners.

Re:  If Kramer did all that he could to help the inmates:

 It was, but you keep insisting that Kramer did all he could, 
>  when it is clear that he didn't.

It certainly is NOT clear that he didn't.  Otherwise we would not keep 
addressing this issue.  I believe I have posted the truth in this matter.
If you can't see it-that's fine.  We'll just move along to something else.

  He had equipment in the camp and nearby rivers to supply the
>  inmates with water. 

What equipment did he have in the camp? 
  Kramer is only guilty of ignorance here, as he thought the river
was polluted-and it probably was.  It was only in his best interests to supply
the inmates with water if he could.  He was intelligent enough to realize this.

  
>  I saw plenty of shooting, usually for no reason at all.

Which means that sometimes there was reason.

 He was a member of the Hungarian guard [1], but the
>  shooting was not confined to Hungarians; it was simply terrible,
>  hundreds were shot per day.

This would have to be confirmed by autopsies and then investigate
each and every case, as in a regular criminal case.

Also, even the british had to resort to firearms to contain the prisoners, as you
may read on page 37.  It is true that they did not shoot AT them, but nevertheless,
they had to resort to firearms.
>  
>  
 If Kramer was simply doing the best he could to save
>  the lives of the starving and ill inmates in the camp, 
>  why on earth were they forced to work like this, without
>  any water?

First you need to establish that Kramer issued such an order,
rather than these excesses being committed on whim by the
guards and overseers.  Kramer could not be ubiquitous.

  Also note that anyone who fell by the wayside was either left 
>  to die or killed on the spot.

Again, one would need to prove that Kramer gave such an order.
These crimes seem to have occurred sporadically and on the whims of the
guards, often from different units sent during the last weeks of the war.  In any
event, pandamonium reigned in the camp by this time, and these guards would
not have given a damn about what Kramer had to say about things at this point
in time anyway.

...and yet you'd like to believe that Kramer had the inmates
>  interests at heart.
>  
>  I wonder more and more why you believe this.

Because it appears to be true.  If he was uninterested in their fate, he would
have fled like a common criminal.  He also would not have given a damn about
isolating the children from the main body of the camp, where disease was running
rampant.  He also showed good faith by writing an appeal to his superiors, who were
the only authorities in germany who could have helped him with the problem they
threw in his lap.  THEY were responsible for the conditions of the camp-not Kramer.

 I don't have it handy right now, but you may find it in Reitlingers, "The Final Solution".
>  > Refer to the index under Kramer.  All is there.
>  
>  Sigh.

No.  Don't sigh.  I am not your mother to run and address your every little whim.
I have given you the information and you will simply have to visit your library and
read it for yourself, as I had to.  I cannot do all your research for you, as I am often
told by the Nizkor people.  If you have come this far, you can take the next step.

 But you said rather explicitly that people suffering from dysentery
>  should be withheld food, which is why Kramer would not give it to them.
>  
Please don't twist my words.  I simply indicated that food is not a treatment for dysentery,
much less for gastro-enteritis.  Kramer had nothing to do with this.  The point was:
Kramer did not have the food for all these people, and even if he did, it would NOT
have helped them.  They needed advanced medical treatment.  These people were
seriously ill before they were even sent to Kramer during the last 2 months of the war.
It might help you if you could keep that thought in mind.
>   
 Were all of the inmates suffering form dysentery, btw?

No.  Remarkably some patients were in fair health.  Some of the other ailments
they had were gastro-enteritis-a very severe condition.  Food will cause such patients
to vomit, as well as inducing great pain.  I believe I read somewhere that many patients
died when the British attempted to administer food.  This would have been caused by
the gastro-enteritis.  Typhus was also beginning to spread throughout the camp, undoubtedly 
due to the contaminateed water as well as the unhygenic conditions in a camp which 
was occupied by some 60,000 inmates!  The typhus was carried into the camp
 by Hungarian prisoners transferred into the camp in February, one month
 before the camp's liberation.  Tuberculosis was also a problem, as it is in most
institutions even today.  However, in one of the barracks, the British Medical officer
testified that "In regards to health, their general condition was not too bad and their
clothing was quite reasonable."  Pg. 34. (Re:the inmates)

 The camp was originally built to accomodate 
only a fraction of this number.  The influx came only within the last few months of the
war.  13,000 people had already died from a variety of illnesses before Kramer was
able to arrange for the transfer of the camp over to the British.  Thousands more were
to die even after the British assumed control.  80% of the people had dysentery.
The camp was woefully lacking in medical supplies.  There were 300 aspirins for some
17,000 inmates in one compound.  

  I'd be more convinced if i had some evidence that Kramer actually did
>  anything to improve conditions in the camp.

Well, there already is evidence of this, which I addressed above.

  The rivers were not contaminated, as the british were able to supply
>  the camp with potable water from them.   And yet there is no evidence
 that it needed to be treated. Also, the British 
>  used equipment located _within the camp_ to supply water, so Kramer
 certainly had the means to provide water.

This is debateable, and perhaps he simply did not possess the ingenuity to
 deal effectively with the issue.  I still maintain that the river water was
 generally thought of by both the Germans and British initially as NOT suitable
for drinking.  In fact, on page 45 of the Belsen Trial you may read the
following:

"All water was brought in by British water trucks."  Also:

"The water in the tanks and in the concentration area was completely foul,
and as an immediate emergency measure some army water-carts were sent
in."  Pg. 54.

It is clear that this water did NOT come from the river, but from British supplies.
In fact, though a British officer later stated that the water pumped in from the river
was "fit to drink", they still brought in water from British water carts for immediate
use in the camp.  It took four to five days to supply the camp with water from the 
river.  As to HOW this officer knew that the river water was potable, or whether
he himself drank of it, the records do not say.

  If the water at Belsen was contaminated, why didn't Kramer do anything about it?
>  
Well, what could he have done?  Even the British had to resort to their own water 
supplies to relieve the camp for the first week.  I think that Kramer addressed this
issue by recognizing his own incompetence in not being able to supply the camp with
water, and arranging for the British to come to the relief of the camp. THAT is what
he appears to have done.

  Mr. Giwer provided no citation for this.  Given his nasty lying habit, 
>  i don't believe him.

I cannot answer for Mr. Giwer, but I did try to provide you with some additional
information in regard to the water issue.

Also, what was your point about food?  I stated that food is not a treatment for the 
diseases mentioned.  I did not state that food was delliberately withheld.  What were
you chortling about?  You did not "catch" me in a contradiction, as you apparently 
thought you did.  Apparently it would give you great joy to do so....I wonder why?

 Now you'd like me to believe you only meant 'solid food.'

What other food is there?  It is what I always meant.  By the way, I told you that these
people needed intravenous treatment, which means high concentrations of minerals,
electrolytes, and glucose.  Do you need further explanation?

 Kramer had water and food and medical supplies.
>  
>  Rather than make some effort to tend the sick, he forced them 
>  to haul corpses without food or water.  If they fell, they 
>  were beaten, shot, or left to die.
>  
This has in no way been proven.  You need to connect Kramer directly.
>> 
Concerning the children:

Methinks you should use your common sense.  The children were isolated by Kramer, 
as well as receivng extra rations of sweets and other goods.  Sorry to spoil your 
preconceived notions.....As a matter of fact, I am not sorry....a time comes when people
ought to confront the realities of a situation.  You have been taught to believe in the
pure evil of Germans for so many years, that it must hurt when your icons are shattered.
It was not I who misrepresented the facts to you.

Concerning Ehlert:

  Yes, i've read your post.  It does nothing to convince me that Kramer
>  was innocent.
>  
That is simply because you REFUSE to acknowledge the truth.  You are apparently
blinded by your own prejudice.  There is an old saying:  "Prejudice, which sees what
it pleases, cannot see what is plain."  Or perhaps more aptly put:  "We do not see things
as they are-we see things as we are."

rb
>  
>  


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 08:16:35 PDT 1996
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  
>  >  >  	That is nonsense.  People drank it.  They did not suffer.  Ergo it was 
>  >  >  potable.  The British supplies the water by turning on the pumps.  Since the 
>  >  >  "pollution" is a figment of your imagination it was a relatively easy process.
>  
>  >  This is avoiding the issue.
>  
>  
>  	The only one avoiding the issue is you.
>  
>  	The British supplied water in a matter of hours.  Where did it come from?
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
British army trucks-and it was NOT from the river.


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 08:16:36 PDT 1996
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  >  And I will say it again:  Kramer was a victim of circumstances.
>  
>  	Kramer was a murderer.
>  
>  	Where did the British get the water to supply the camp?
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
You're avoiding the issues.  By the way, I answered your question about the water.
See my current posts.


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 08:16:37 PDT 1996
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >

>  	Source:  "Soldiers of Evil" Tom Segev (McGraw Hill; 1987).  The book 
>  is a re-writing of Dr. Segev's doctoral thesis in history at Boston University.  It was 
>  study of the commandants of the concentration camps.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Thanks for your "help", but I already own the book you mentioned, and I have
read it.  As to your other comments, we can do without your attacking Catholics.


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 10:54:06 PDT 1996
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52neir$o79@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com30 Sep 1996
>  03:25:15 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>And I will say it again:  Kramer was a victim of circumstances.
>  
>  You may say it until the cows come home, Mr. Blackmore, that will not make it
>  true.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
No, but the facts do make it true.  Pity that you refuse to admit it.


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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  >  What evidence?  That Kramer thought it was polluted?  Well, we can't very
>  >  well ask him today, can we? 
>  
>  	Then why are you alleging that he did?
>  
>  >No, it is up to you now to prove that the British
>  >  did not use filtering machines to supply drinkable water to the detainees.
>  
>  	They testified that all they used was the pumps and supplies already in the 
>  camps.  If you have proof they were lying, post it.
>  
>  >  this is an odd request from a man who suggested that all Kramer need do was remove
>  >  rotting corpses covered in excrement from the water in order for the prisoners to 
>  relieve
>  >  their thirst.  Thank God you weren't in command of that camp instead of Kramer!
>  
>  	This is your description.  The British found no such conditions.  They hooked 
>  up the water supply and supplied potable drinking water to the inmates.  Kramer never 
>  did.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Well, you are in error.  Read my current postings.


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 12:19:52 PDT 1996
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>  
>  >
>  >	The more books there are for the story, the more the lie stands
>  >out. From a Holocaust deniers position, the more the merrier.
>  
>  	Quite often Holocaust dependants will post evidence for the
>  researcher on alt.revisionism, most often being a Mr.Keren. The
>  general practice is to post sections of eyewitness testimony or
>  extracts of reports or other documents. The reason much of the stuff
>  is omitted is because the longer any particular testimony or report,
>  the more there is to point out discrepancies, either within the very
>  posted text or when compared to other testimonies and/or documents.
>  	In the case of long eyewitness testimonies and documents, the
>  more extended they are the worse for the Holocaust story. 
>  
>>>>
Seems like you are now learning the "tricks of the trade".  It is a known
fact that magicians NEVER want to publicize their little secrets.  This is
one game of 3 card monty that they are bound to lose.


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  
>  Auschwitz, Auschwitz, Auschwitz, Auschwitz, Auschwitz, Auschwitz
>  
>  	To those who are new to alt.revisionism.
>  Take note of how 99.99% of the story is focused on Auschwitz. At one
>  time the Holocaust facts were that Auschwitz was the center for the
>  extermination of 4 million people. Currently it is somewhere around 1
>  million. Even, according to one of the Holocaust dependents most cited
>  authorities, the numbers are more like 600 thousand. Down, down, down
>  go the numbers.
>  
>  	Yet there are other camps said to have been the centers for the
>  extermination of far greater numbers. Majdanek is said to have been a
>  place where 1.5 million were exterminated. Treblinka 2 million. 
>  
>  	In addition to this, both Treblinka and Majdanek are said to have
>  been over run by the Soviets while they were still in operation and
>  that a "Extraordinary Commission" was installed within a day of the
>  capture to investigate any crimes whereas Auschwitz is said to have
>  ceased exterminating people 5 months prior to being over run and that
>  the Germans had initiated a demolition program to cover up the alleged
>  exterminations.
>  
>  	One would think that with the numbers for Treblinka and Majdanek
>  each being 2 to 3 times that of Auschwitz and that they were over run
>  while still in full operation and that Auschwitz had destroyed all the
>  evidence, that the two former camps would be the center of focus to
>  show that the Holocasut story is true.
>  
>  	Thus it appears the Holocaust dependents are presenting what we
>  should expect is the lesser evidence instead of what we should expect
>  would be the greater evidence.
>  
>  	Interesting.    
>  
>>>>
That "Extraordinary Soviet Commission" again.  Please refer to my 2 posts "Soviet
Def Comedy Jam" parts onne and two, for more hilarious anecdotes from that
"distinguished" committee.


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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   Matt  Giwer who illegally harasses those who prove him an idiot writes:
>  >  On 30 Sep 1996 06:38:35 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  >  >> Mr. Giwer also
>  >  >>  makes a good point when he adds that the British had to have provided 
>  some 
>  >  >special
>  >  >>  filtering apparatus for the water to have been made drinkable.
>    
>  >  >	That is, obviously, incorrect.  The British did no more than hook up the 
>  >  >equipment at the camp.
>    
>  >  >	Where did they get the water?
>    
>  >  	Where did they get the electricity?
>  
>  
>  	Obviously from the camp.  There are no reports that the electricity was 
>  out.


The electricity WAS out.
>  
>  	Now answer the question.  Where did the water come from?

>From  the same place where Jesus got his loaves and fishes....
>  
>>>>



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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52nanp$gdu@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com30 Sep 1996

  :>
.  I am still researching.
>  
>  Yes, I am sure you are still "researching".  Hope it goes well.

It all depends on your point of view.
>  
>  Funny that you raise the mane Kramer and once someone points out that he was
>  former commandant of Birkenau, you decide you don't want to discuss Auschwitz
>  because you are "researching" it. 

It's not "funny" its a fact.  Like you, "I will write no line before its time".

>  To accelerate that process, allow me to point out that most of "revisionists"
>  rubbish is available on the Web and you only need search for it.  Of course,
>  if you happen to be interested in the truth, you can start at:

Thanks for the advice, but I do not refer to either of them.  I do my own research and
I think for myself. 

>  


>  --
> 



>  
>>>>



From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 16:20:19 PDT 1996
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>    
>  >  >  	Answer:  rblackmore has evidently not researched it.  The modern 
>  >  >  treatment is nutrition and intenstive fluid replacement.  Kramer provided neither.  He 
>  >  >  cut off the water.  Medially speaking that was certain to kill those suffering from 
>  >  >  dystentery.
>  
>  >  Yes, this is what I have already said.  However, you have already stated that
>  >  all Kramer need have done was removing the putrifying corpses from the 
>  >  stagnant water in the compounds and everyone could then guzzle water to their
>  >  heart's content.....By the way, fluid replacement in this case would have to be
>  >  administered intravenously.
>  
>  	Where did the water the British supplied come from?
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Apparently it came from the river which flowed nearby the camp.
Kramer believed, and probably with good reason, that this water
was polluted.  Mr. Giwer pointed out that the British must have 
brought up some type of field equipment to pump in the water
and filter it somehow to make it potable.  I am not sure that simple
boiling will make river water potable.  Of course, if someone is
already dying, I doubt whether drinking the water would make
any difference anyway.  If anything, Kramer stands
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>   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>  In article <52mfhg$ik6@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  > >   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>  
>  >

>  
>  Like your 'opinion' that the Discovery channel is knowingly misleading the
>  public by promoting a false figure of the number killed at Auschwitz  ? 

Another distortion.  What I said was it was IRRESPONSIBLE, whether knowingly
or unwittingly.  And that is STILL my answer.  What's the matter?  Didn't they reply
to your enquiry?
>  
>  What is your basis for the opinion regarding the Simon Wiesenthal Center ?

The truth.  Something you know little of.
>  
>>>>



From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 16:20:21 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On 30 Sep 1996 02:09:25 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  
>  #This is avoiding the issue.  The rivers of Europe are and have been highly
>  #polluted for decades now.  If the British did not make the water potable,
>  #perhaps many prisoners died as a result of drinking this water.  Please
>  #provide the proof that the British did not use filtering equipment.
>  
>  Giwers rules: He who asserts must prove.
>  
>  The two of you have made the assertion. YOU prove it.
>  
>  
>>>>
Try reading an encyclopedia.


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 17:00:59 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Human tattooed skins and Jars of Stomachs
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>   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >Here are some revealing comments from Seaghan Maynes, a war etc.
> 
  -From:-
>   John Morris                               
>   at University of Alberta     
>  -- 
>  

 I have never heard of any such
>  suggestion before, and I suspect that you are just making it up.
>  

Before you allow your suspicions to carry you away into the land of non-
research, I suggest that you research the quotes by the correspondent
who was there at the time.  It happened to be his opinion, and now this
 opinion is shared by myself.  It is unecessary for me to make anything up 
because there is so much actual evidence I can turn to in support of my
claims.  I would not "make anything up" in any event.  It seems to me that
people have only been hearing ONE side of this issue for decades.  This is
unfair.

 The old man being flogged was Hoess? You are making a common mistake
>  in assuming that because one man was beaten, all men were beaten.
>  

Of course the old man was not Hoess, but what I am trying to explain to
you and others is that this sort of mistreatment was the RULE rather than
the exception.  I will post additional details later this evening on this very subject.

 I will note that the guards at Dachau were simply lined up
>  and shot. This action on the part of the liberators is explicable, but
>  it cannot be excused.

It is not even explicable in my opinion, because many of the men who were
shot had absolutely NOTHING to do with the camp, as most of the original
contingent of guards had fled before the camp was even liberated.  

  Meanwhile I have seen no evidence that defendants taken to trial were
>  ever tortured,

Then I will provide some for you to look at....

 and I include in this broad assertion the defendants at
>  the Malmedy trial. If you have some evidence of torture--besides
>  potboiler journalism like Rupert Butler's book--please post it.

I will hopefully provide you with this evidence very soon.  However, you
are grieviously mistaken in your evaluation of the methods used to obtain
information at the Malmedy trial.  I will post the info soon, but it is a subject
which requires an assessment in depth.  Also, I owuld NOT refer to Mr. Butler's
writings as "pot-boiler" journalism.  He is an able historian.  if you have not
done so already, I would suggest that you read his books before offering a 
negative comment.


>  
>  I have no idea what this monolithic Nizkor is beyond the loose
>  aggregation of volunteers who have been helping whip the web pages
>  into shape

Perhaps one day you will find out, as I have been slowing finding out.

 Fianlly, could you PLEASE post the source of your quotations so that
>  others can check them both for context and accuracy? It is simply a
>  common courtesy.

I will post the sources IF I am asked.  You have asked, so here is the source:

"Eyewitnesses at Nuremberg", Hilary Gaskin, Arms and Armour Press, Villiers
House, London, 1990, pg.2,3.
>  
>  
  



From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  2 17:46:48 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   Brian Harmon  writes:
>  >>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  >>  > 
>  >>  >>>
>  >OK.  This is a good place to start.  Now, what happened to Bischoff?  Did
>  >he ever give testimony at a trial?  Did he ever make a written statement concerning
>  >this alleged document?  
>  >
>  
>  What do you think? How much reasearch have you done? You come into
>  this newsgroup denying like crazy and now we find that you really
>  haven't done much research at all!
>  
>  >Also, what happened to Kammler?  Any testimony or additional statements from him?
>  >
>  
>  What do you think. The information is in _Anatomy_ from which portions
>  have been posted in this group many times. Why do you want us to do
>  all this work for you?
>  
>  >Finally, the documents about crematoria do not prove people were being gassed.
>  >Also, the blowers in the undressing room were more powerful than the ventilators
>  >in the alleged "gas chamber".  It should have been the other way around.
>  >
>  
>  Why?
>  
>  >If you can supply adequate answers to the questions above, we might get somewhere.
>  >I'll bet you can't do it-try as you might.
>  >
>  
>  But you Belling/Blackmore/Whoever hasn't done any initial research.
>  You wouldn't know what an acceptable answer is if it hit you square on
>  the nose for what is obviously acceptable to you would be that which
>  meets the conditions of your personal denials.
>  
>  > regards the construction of the new crematorium building, it was
>  >>  necessary to start immediately in July 1942 because of the situation
>  >>  caused by the special actions.
>  >
>  >What are these "special actions"?
>  
>  What do you think the term meant? What did the SS mean by the term?
>  What have SS members of all kinds testified that this term means?
>  
>  
>  The rest is more of his admissions of ignorance concerning this
>  subject.
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Go on deluding yourself.  Your answers to important questions are always the same
as your colleagues-no answer at all.  As I suspected, Anantomy of the Auschwitz Death
Camp says nothing about the eventual fate of Kammler.  However, there is a reference to
Pruefer, the designers of the crematoriums, as well as Bischoff.  Here is what is related:

On May 30, (1945), after a botched investigation, the U.S. Military
 Police arrested Pruefer.Ludwig Topf committed suicide on the night
 of May 30-31-needlessly, as it turned out, since on June 13, Pruefer was set free, even
managing to come away with AN ORDER FOR A FURNACE FROM THE AMERICANS.
The U.S. investigators, failing to search the company's home offices, did not "understand"
Topf's role in setting up the gas chambers at Auschwitz.

>From  June 14 to 21, Ernst Wolfgang Topf and Pruefer "apparently" destroyed all the 
contracts the firm had signed with the SS at Auschwitz.  On July 3, the Soviets occupied.
Erfurt.  On October 11, Gustav Braun, Topf's director of development, was questioned
by the Soviet military about Pruefer and the Topf brothers.  On March 4, 1946, the 
Soviets arrested Braun (who had become temporary director) Sander, Pruefer, and Schultze.
Erdmann escaped internment because he was REGISTERED IN A COMMUNIST UNION.
Braun was condemned to 25 years in the Gulag but was freed in 1955.  The fate of
Pruefer is unknown........Unlike the Americans, the Soviets immediately "discerned" 
Pruefer's role in the construction of Auschwitz.

Bischoff led a quiet post-war life and died in 1950.  Only two members of the Zentral-
bauleitung, Walter Dejaco and Fritz Ertl, went before a tribunal.....The trial of the two
architects of the crematoria in Vienna in January 1972 ended with the RELEASE OF BOTH.
(Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp, pg. 240).

Well, now, how interesting.  Thanks to Mr. Curtis we now have a few answers.  Number one,
neither Curtis nor "Anatomy" can tell us what happened to Kammler.  

2.  We now see that Topf died a "suicide" while in American hands....how convenient.
I wonder if anyone can tell us a bit about Herr Topf's arrest, capture, and interrogation?
Also, the names and ranks of his captors and the complete circumstances surrounding
his interrogation and alleged suicide.  "Botched"?...I think not.. What a web we weave......

3.  We next read that Pruefer was set free (!), as well as receiving a commission to design
a furnace for the allies!  How strange!

4.  The Americans "failed" to understand Topf's "role".  I believe they understood his role
quite well, that is why we are left with an alleged "suicide".  They simply wanted him out of
the way.  They understood better than most that "loose tongues sink ships".

5.  Next we are told that Wolfgang Topf and Pruefer "apparently" destroyed all contracts
with the SS.  Why "apparently"?  Perhaps these contracts were destroyed by people with
other interests in mind....

6.  Not to overlook the Soviet actions:  How curious that Erdmann escaped
 internment because he was a member of a communist union.  Also, the early
 release dates for the other two captives simply proves that the whole arrest
 and trial of the other two gentleman was a complete FARCE, and was prompted
by base political motives.  Notice that the "evil" Braun was released in 1955!
No one knows what finally happened to Pruefer....apparently the Soviets advised him
to conveniently "get lost".  The Soviets did not just "discern" Pruefer's role-they 
CREATED it.  Those Soviet Broadway show trials!

7.  The man Bischoff, as we are told, led a QUIET LIFE UNTIL 1950!  The infamous
Bischoff, whose alleged communications are relentlessly promoted by Holocaust
enthusiasts, was apparently kept under wraps for specific reasons.  No trial, no
imprisonment, nothing-and why?  Because these communications amount to NOTHING.
NIL.  

8. Dejaco and Ertl were the two victims selected to "take the heat".  Underlings.
How apropos!

9.  The trial in Vienna in January 1972 ended in the release and vindication of both.
How interesting.....

My thanks to Mr. Curtis.  Mazel tov!  By the way, what DID happen to Kammler?




From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:27 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  
>    
>  >  >  	The British supplied water in a matter of hours.  Where did it come from?
>  
>  >  British army trucks-and it was NOT from the river.
>  
>  	Wrong.  The British brought up the trucks and then found that the water 
>  which Kramer denied the prisoners was potable.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Wrong.  Read the testimony.


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:28 PDT 1996
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  
>  >  >  
>  >  >  	Where did the water the British supplied come from?
>  
>  >  Already answered.  Now, don't you feel foolish for asking this so many times?
>  
>  	No.  Becasue your answers are dishonest.
>  
>  	Where did the British get the water?
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
read the test.  I even quoted it for you.


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:29 PDT 1996
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  
>  >  >  You may say it until the cows come home, Mr. Blackmore, that will not make it
>  >  >  true.
>  
>  >  No, but the facts do make it true.  Pity that you refuse to admit it.
>  
>  	WHAT FACTS?  You have presented no "facts" whatsoever.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Are you suffering from delusional thinking?


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> 

>  Chuck wrote
>  Sure he will...   :-))  just like he always does...later, but later 
>  never comes. This guy is just full of it. "substance that stinks" he 
>  must mean his breath.
>  Chuck
>  
>>>>
No, Chuck, I haven't pasted my lips to the master's behind like you have......
Remember, a sknunk always smells his own hole first.....


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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  
>  	Its interesting how the extermination camp Madjdanek is said to
>  have been over run by the Soviets while it was still in operation and
>  yet there is more focus, energy and Holocaust facts alleged for
>  Auschwitz, which is said to have stopped it's exterminations 4 to 5
>  months before the Soviets arrived, and had executed a plan to cover up
>  the evidence.
>  	
>  	Adding to this interest would be the current Holocaust fact that
>  1,500,000 people are said to have died at Majdanek, 5, 6 or 7 hundred
>  thousand more than Auschwitz.
>  
>  	Review of the Holocaust dependents record for this focus on
>  Auschwitz might reveal a ratio of a hundred to one, maybe a thousand
>  to one, compared to any mention of Majdanek. Seems it should be the
>  other way around.
>  
>  	Holocaust accounting defies the logical and probable.
>   
>  
>>>>
It is also curious that the Nazis should rush to construct a lethal gas
chamber at Dachau in 1944.  Seems as though they just couldn't wait 
for those allied cameramen to arrive......"I'm ready for my close-up, Mr. DeMille."


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>   karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  >Now, aren't you glad you brought this subject up?  I am.
>  
>  Thanks. You did indeed surprise me. I'll do what I can to check the
>  sources.
>  
>>>>
OK.  That is fair.

rb


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52njfk$o79@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com30 Sep 1996
>  04:48:52 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>  : :
>  :>The source is uncommonly good, from your perspectives, actually.
>  
>  The source is very good by _your_ standards, which means it is lousy be anyone
>  else's standards.

OK. I will give it to you again:  The book was published under the auspices of the 
International Dachau Committee, which also co-ordinates the current Dachau Museum
in Bavaria, Germany.  Hardly a revisionist source.  Do you still think the source is "lousy"?
>  
>  :>  I know.  Because you say so.  Or did Greg or Ernie tell you so?


Now, I must address the above in depth.  Number one, it is not because I say so, 
but because a Swiss historian has recently proven this is the case.  Now, you are
clearly implying that I am in communication with Greg Raven and Ernst Zundel.  I
will state for the record that this is a nasty lie.  Whatever your motives are for asserting
this,  I do not know,  but I don't take orders from anyone.  Also, I never invent anything
>from  whole cloth.  Put up or shut up.  These comments of yours are quite revealing.
>  
>  :>(Rauschning's lies and fabrications snipped)
>  
>  My ass.

Sorry if I embarrassed you with your pals at Nizkor.  
>  
>  :>>

>  :>What you posted is not very interesting.

Sometimes the truth can be very prosaic.  Not at all like the Hollywood movies
we are accustomed to seeing.

 I am only interested in facts, and not interpretations.
>  :>I don't want this to degenerate into a theological squabble.  fact is-he had no influence-even
>  :>party members thought he was a lunatic, as can be seen from reading the Von Hassell diaries.
>  :>By the way, someone told me that you are using a pseudonym-is this true?
>  
>  It seems that whatever I post that rebuts something you have alleged, is no
>  longer of interest to you.  As I said, Mr. Blackmore, you have a double
>  standard that gets more and more transparent every day.

It is not a double standard.  i am just trying to induce you to research your sources,
many of which seem to be a product of the old war hysteria.

>  
>  No, Mr. Blackmore, I am not using a pseudonym.  It us you who is using
>  several.

If you ever become a revisionist, no doubt you will use more pseudonyms than I
ever have.

rb
>    
>  
>  
>  
>



From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:33 PDT 1996
Article: 71062 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: Julius Streicher - PORNOGRAPHER
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  >>  In message <51lr30$4dj@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com17 Sep 1996
>  >>  09:30:08 GMT writes:
>  >>  :>
>  >>  :>> 
>  >
>  >>  Hitler subscribed to _Der Stuermer_.  When I answer that such a demand is
>  >>  silly, you go all over the lot.  The point is, as I said previously, that
>  >>  Hitler _read_ Streicher's newspaper.  That Hitler would ban Streicher from
>  >>  speaking is hardly surprising in that Streicher had managed to cross Goering. 
>  >>  But that did not lessen Hitler's admiration for Streicher, the proof of which
>  >>  is in the _Tischgespraeche_.
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>  --
>  >>  Gord McFee
>  >>  I'll write no line before its time
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >Well, for all of that it proves nothing of interest....at least not to me.
>  
>  Of course complete pictures are of no interest to this individual.
>  Complete pictures tend to clear up his distorted presentations.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
The reason I say what I say is because I happen to have researched this
issue thoroughly.  it's something you ought to try sometime.


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:34 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Mark Van Alstine RAGES
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  >>  On 23 Sep 1996 09:15:40 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>  >Nope.  You outnumber me.  I have to have a few advantages besides the truth.
>  >>  
>  >>  Since most of what you write is devoid of truth I'd say you need even more
>  >>  help yet.
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >Not from the likes of a confirmed liar like yourself.
>  
>  Another example of Belling/Blackmore/Whoever taking the high road of
>  debate. You may as well address Mark's stuff fro you seem to be diving
>  into the gutter of nondebate now.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
If I do, I will have plenty of company from Nizkor.  Think of it!  We will finally
get to meet!


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:34 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud's for you, part 2
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  >  >  
>  >  >  Here! In this forum?!? Get thee to the National Archives and do the
>  >  >  comparisons yourself. If you feel that Larson was not qualified as an
>  >  >  expert then present your evidence. If you feel that the evidence was
>  >  >  not properly put into evidence (per-1940 law) then provide your
>  >  >  evidence. 
>  
>  >  Don't need to.  You're making the accusation.  Now prove it.
>  
>  	And the proof is the expert's report.  It has been posted.  You are 
>  challenging that report.  At that point, the burden of proof is on you.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
I am asking not for his report-but for the reports themselves.  what is so difficult about
posting them?  Do it-you will make this doubting Thomas a believer.


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:35 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  >>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >>  >   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  >>  >  
>  >>  >  Here! In this forum?!? Get thee to the National Archives and do the
>  >>  >  comparisons yourself. If you feel that Larson was not qualified as an
>  >>  >  expert then present your evidence. If you feel that the evidence was
>  >>  >  not properly put into evidence (per-1940 law) then provide your
>  >>  >  evidence. 
>  >
>  >>  Don't need to.  You're making the accusation.  Now prove it.
>  >
>  >	And the proof is the expert's report.  It has been posted.  You are 
>  >challenging that report.  At that point, the burden of proof is on you.
>  >
>  >	--YFE
>  
>  How many times do we have to tell this individual that he owns the
>  burden of his own doubts? If an historian has a doubt he researches
>  his doubt until it is satisfied using proper historical methods. Most
>  good and well trained historians do not walk up to their colleagues
>  and proclaim that accepted history is false and that they should prove
>  it. What they will do is throw the works of history already done on
>  the subject and tell him to do his own work. Blackmore/Belling or
>  whoever doesn't seem to be able to grasp this concept.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
No.  You do not set the framework for who needs to prove what to whom.
You are the prosecutors.  You have made these accusations in the past without
providing the definite proof to support your allegations.  We are waiting for that
proof.  we are entitled to it, as are the German people.


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:36 PDT 1996
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Ken Lewis writes:
>  Hey there Herr Belling, you _do_ have a thin skin, don't you? Well I guess
>  it does get sort of tiresome when your research is continually being shown
>  to be faulty

Well, it surely has not been shown faulty by you yet.


>  But, since you are now stooping so low as to call me a liar, why not give up
>  the pretense and slide the rest of the way into the slime with the rest of
>  the deniars. You all do sooner or later and it is about all that you have
>  left.

You gave up your pretense a long time ago.  I was ready to call the exorcist to
cast your evil spirit out.
>  
>>>>



From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:36 PDT 1996
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>   m
 I beleive it is you who are swept
>  away with the plethora of data and information that makes up the truth
>  of history in these two cases.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Nice try, but it doesn't fly.  Nizkor states that Jewish people and others were
gassed at Dachau.  Now, don't answer my question with a question.  Where are
the original reports?  It is SO obvious that they DO NOT exist, or they would have
been plastered in every pro-Holocaust book EVER written.  The proof does not
exist and your accusations are worthless.


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:37 PDT 1996
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   Brian Harmon  writes:
>  
>  >   It was, but you keep insisting that Kramer did all he could, 
>  >  >  when it is clear that he didn't.
>  >  
>  >  It certainly is NOT clear that he didn't.  Otherwise we would not keep 
>  >  addressing this issue.
>  
>  	We keep addressing the issue becasue you continue to make foolish 
>  assertions and refuse to deal with the facts.
>  
>  
>  >  I believe I have posted the truth in this matter.
>  
>  	Bullshit.
>  
>  
>  >  What equipment did he have in the camp? 
>  >    Kramer is only guilty of ignorance here, as he thought the river
>  >  was polluted-and it probably was.  It was only in his best interests to supply
>  >  the inmates with water if he could.  He was intelligent enough to realize this.
>  
>  	This is laughable.
>  
>  
>  
>  >  This would have to be confirmed by autopsies and then investigate
>  >  each and every case, as in a regular criminal case.
>  
>  	This is even more laughable.
>  
>  	--YFE  
>  
>  
>>>>
Right.  the big-time lawyer says that we don't need to prove crimes alleged
against Germans.  Where was their "dream team"?


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:38 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Holocaust researchism
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>   pgroff@txdirect.net (pgroff) writes:
>  On 2 Oct 1996 08:03:13 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  (Moran snipped)
>  >>Seems like you are now learning the "tricks of the trade".  It is a known
>  >fact that magicians NEVER want to publicize their little secrets.  This is
>  >one game of 3 card monty that they are bound to lose.
>  It would seem there rblackmore/belling, that with just one more ID you
>  could be playing 3 card monte, but as it is now, you are playing tag
>  team with yourself. I would assume that some how this has added a
>  great deal of integrity and honesty to your post. "Tricks of the
>  trade." Yes it would seem that you quite capable of learning the Carto
>  Two step.
>  
>>>>
Do I know you?


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:39 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On Mon, 30 Sep 1996 17:30:33 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>  
>  >jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  
>  >[To "rblackmore@juno.com", aka "jbelling"]
>  
>  ># I hate to be the one stating the obvious, but the British
>  ># brought the water up from the river,

>
The river water was not pumped into the camp until 4 to 5 days AFTER
British army trucks arrived to deliver water from their own field supplies.
YOU are in error.

  =====
>  Read the information holohuggers fear
>  http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg
>  http://www.codoh.com/
>  http://www.webcom.com/~zundel


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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  
>  >  >  You may say it until the cows come home, Mr. Blackmore, that will not make it
>  >  >  true.
>  
>  >  No, but the facts do make it true.  Pity that you refuse to admit it.
>  
>  	WHAT FACTS?  You have presented no "facts" whatsoever.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
By the way-never try to talk a lynch mob out of hanging their victims.


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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  >  For once I see that you are full of a substance that stinks as well as lacking
>  >  in personal integrity.  The Malmedy confessions were obtained by torture, and
>  >  that is a fact.  I'll embarrass you in the eyes of the public with them later.
>  
>  	The charges of torture at the Malmedy trial were thoroughly disproved.  
>  Clay states this.  The Simpsom report states this.  Extensive hearing before the 
>  Senate establish this.
>  
>  	You are lying.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
You are in error, as usual.


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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  >  >  >  >  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >  >  >  
>  >  >  >  >  # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  >  >  >  >  ##  Q. What was your first impression of Auschwitz when you arrived?
>  >  >  >  >  
>  >  >  >  >  # Whatever his interrogators told him.
>    
>  >  >  >  I am not familiar with the interview given by Muench.  Perhaps you would 
>  care to
>  >  >  >  post it along with his previous court testimony, so we may all examine it?
>    
>  >  >  	Then why did you claim it was fraudulent?
>  
>  >  I didn't say it was fraudulent.  You said I said it was fraudulent.
>  
>  	You stated that he said whatever his interrogators told him.  That is a 
>  claim that the interview was fraudulent.
>  
>  	You are becoming another Giwer.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Rhetorical answer.  My, how your feathers get ruffled.


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From: rblackmore@juno.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
Date: 3 Oct 1996 04:20:02 GMT
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  >>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >>  >   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  >>  >  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >>  >  
>  >>  >  # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  >>  >  
>  >>  >  ## Testimony of Dr. Hans W. Muench 
>  >>  >  ##  [Quoted in "Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military 
>  >>  >  ##  Tribunals" - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol.
>  >>  >  ##  VIII, p. 313-321]
>  >>  >  ##  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  >>  >  ##  Q. What was your first impression of Auschwitz when you arrived?
>  >>  >  
>  >>  >  # Whatever his interrogators told him.
>  >
>  >>  I am not familiar with the interview given by Muench.  Perhaps you would care to
>  >>  post it along with his previous court testimony, so we may all examine it?
>  >
>  >	Then why did you claim it was fraudulent?
>  >
>  >	--YFE
>  
>  Ah, but there's the rub. Mr. Belling/Blackmore/Whoever is showing more
>  and more his unfamiliarity with the history of the Holocaust. He wants
>  to deny and I guess it becomes easier to deny if one is ignorant of
>  the history. This ignorance Mr. Belling/Blackmore/Whoever has shown
>  this group over and over again. I think it would be wise for Mr.
>  Belling/Blackmore/Whoever to catch up on his history before he
>  proceeds further.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
One step at a time.....one step at a time.......


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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  # gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  
>  ## You _post_ the proof of your statements or admit you are
>  ## just fabricating things.
>  
>  # when I get around to it.
>  
>  Will that be before Giwer gets a job?
>  
>  
>  -Danny Keren.
>  
>  
>>>>
Will it be before you get a life?


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:43 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  
>    
>  >  >  	No.  You have, in fact, stated your statements were based on "reasonable 
>  >  >  suspicions."
>  
>  >  Yes, based upon facts.
>  
>  	You have failed to present a single fact indicating that Hoess was tortured 
>  into giving a confession.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
The posts are not intended for you-they are intended for unprejudiced people who
don't need other people to think for them.


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:44 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52t9ir$i6t@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  :>
>  :>>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  :>>  In message <3250499C.1E8A@unb.ca> - Keith Morrison Mon, 30 Sep
>  :>>  1996 19:28:45 -0300 writes:
>  :>>  :>
>  :>>  :>> 
>  :>>  :>>         Where did the water the British supplied come from?
>  :>>  :>
>  :>>  :>Ice from Antarctica thoughtfully provided by the Nazi UFOnauts?
>  :>>  
>  :>>  That, or else it was carted in single-handed by l'il Erniekins Zuendel, at the
>  :>>  tender age of 5 or whatever.
>  :>>  
>  :>>  
>  :>>  --
>  :>>  Gord McFee
>  :>>  I'll write no line before its time
>  :>>  
>  :>>  
>  :>>>>>
>  :>You might hurt Mr. Zundel's feelings.....Don't you believe in the golden rule?
>  
>  Herr Zuendel ist ein Feigling und ein Arschloch.  Es macht mir nichts, dass er
>  meine Meinung von ihm hasst oder liebt.  Seine Behauptungen sind erstunken und
>  erlogen.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
Sehr niedlich.  I'll bet you say that to all the girls.....


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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  >>  In message <51t8bm$s8n@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >>  :>
>  >>  :>I must say that Filip Mueller is far from being a reliable witness, in my opinion.
>  >>  :>As to Pery Broad, he changed his testimony several times.  I find him unreliable
>  >>  :>as well.
>  >>  
>  >>  Mr. Blackmore, you are violating your own rules more and more every day.  One
>  >>  begins to suspect there is a double standard at play here.  It's not good
>  >>  enough to dismiss a witness simply because you find him "unreliable".  Perhaps
>  >>  you could enlighten us as to _why_ you find him unreliable.
>  >>  
>  >>  Gord McFee
>  >>  I'll write no line before its time
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >Well, yes, I could....but I don't have the time to do so right now.
>  
>  IOW you will not. You seem to be here to provide us all with
>  unsubstantiated opinions. 
>  
>  >  I will refer you
>  >to Mr. Mueller's testimony at the Zundel trial and ask you to read through it and
>  >then get back to me.....
>  
>  No, you make things add up then we'll know what to get back to you
>  about. Make a case Belling/Blackmore.
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
One step at a time.....I am not ubiquitous, like big brother.


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:45 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  
>  >  >  
>  >  >  	Where did they get the water?
>  
>  >  This question has been answered in a recent reply to B. Harmon.  Follow
>  >  the yellow brick road....
>  
>  	The answer is nothing more than your speculation.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
No it isn't.  It is in the testimony.


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:46 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Joseph Kramer, Watta Guy!
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  
>    
>  >  >  	Source:  "Soldiers of Evil" Tom Segev (McGraw Hill; 1987).  The book 
>  >  >  is a re-writing of Dr. Segev's doctoral thesis in history at Boston University.  It 
>  was 
>  >  >  study of the commandants of the concentration camps.
>  
>  >  Thanks for your "help", but I already own the book you mentioned, and I have
>  >  read it.  As to your other comments, we can do without your attacking 
>  Catholics.
>  
>  	Then why have you failed to deal with the facts contained therein?
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
I am dealing with the information contained therein, as well as other sources-
are you?


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Subject: Re: Human tattooed skins and Jars of Stomachs
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>   mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>  In article <52t36u$g8g@juliana.sprynet.com>,   wrote:
>  
>  [snip]
>  
> 

>      The point, of course, is that you cannot simply point to one anecdote
>  and claim ALL confessions MUST therefore be torture.

No, quite true, but what I DO claim is that the use of torture, threat, bribery,
intimidation, etc., was the RULE rather than the exception.
>  
>      In particular, you need to deal with the postwar trials conducted by
>  the West German government.

I will gladly do so at a future date.  Each item in it's turn.



>      I'm afraid "Staeglich Says" just doesn't cut it, especially as I have
>  yet to see even one instance of a recantation

I believe there were quite a few recantations, but I will need to research it.

>      Even harder to deal with are testimonies such as that given by
>  Treblinka guard Franz Suchomel in the documentary "Shoah."  Please tell me
>  what torture he was subjected to. 

I never claimed he was tortured.  

 He only spoke under the condition that
>  his name not be used (a promise Lanzmann gave and then broke).

Well, Lanzmann lied and maybe Suchomel lied.
>  
>      "Revisionists" pretend that the Nuremburg testimony was all that there
>  was. 

I never claimed this.

 'Taint so, and the tippy-toeing around this point is rather glaring.

One step at a time.....not tippy-toeing, but one step at a time....
We need to begin somewhere, and Nuremberg is probably the best 
place from which to embark.Nuremberg was the mother of all modern
 war crimes trials, and the most important.  It wasthe actual starting point
, from which all others proceeded.  It set a precedent.

However, I am not at all averse to discussing Suchomel, Pfannenstiel or Gerstein.
For the sake of clarity, and to cause less confusion, I prefer to deal with each case
separately.  Right now, I prefer to deal with this case.

The truth or not the truth-THAT is the question-the truth and ALL the truth-
that is the answer.

rb


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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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 Brian Harmon  writes:.
>  
>  Gah, horseshit. this is very disappointing.

Yes, I think it was horseshit and disappointing as well.
>  
>  *You* made the claim that Mueller is unreliable, so 
>  *YOU* support it.

One step at a time..You need to understand that I answer dozens of posts daily.
I cannot address each one to everyone's satisfaction....
>  

>  I'll be sure to remind you.

Good.  I thought that you might.  In fact, I encourage you to.
> 
>  
>  Sigh.  This is absurd.

Sigh.  The same old prevarications.
>    
>  Yes, some of the testimony appears ludicrous,
. Showing that one or a few eyewitnesses did not
>  tell the truth does not mean that all them lied (or even that most
>  of them lied.)

I am not saying a "few", I am saying THOUSANDS.
There are many more coming.  If you can't believe the messengers, how can
you believe the messages?
>  
>  For that matter, despite the fact that some of the accounts 
>  seem incredible (throwing babies in the air so they can be shot, 
>  for instance) that does not mean that they _aren't true_.

Ha Ha.  Ho Ho.There could be a Santa Claus as well...."Do it again, Daddy!
Do it again!"
>  
>  What's needed is some level of investigation to see if they're true.

Right.   Are ready to undertake this noble task.  Try with the
accusations about the gas chambers first.If you dare to question
their existence, watch what happens to you.....
>  
>  By your line of reasoning, i should disbelieve everything you say because
>  other revisionists have been repeatedly exposed as liars.

So have "Holohuggers".  I am an individual and do not align myself with any 
partisan group.
>  

>   These death books did _not_ contain the names or registration of people
>  gassed upon arrival.

Well, then it is up to prove to us that these non-existent people existed and were gassed.

  Who places the death tolls lower?

Auschwitz State Museum, Reitlinger, Pressac......
>  > >  >
 Yet you seem content to cite their death tolls... interesting.

No.  I do not agree with their tolls.  I believe the number is significantly
lower.  Pressac does not seem to have made up his mind yet either.

 the guards there were ordered not to take photos or
>  discuss what went on


This is routine in any penal institution.

Everything was in secret yet Holohuggers claim to know everything about it.  Now, THAT is
interesting.
>  
>  
>  All i have is your unsupported 'reasonable suspicions,' mr. blackmore.

Could be, but that is how many great mysteries become unraveled.
>  
>  > >    We have documentary evidence, like Himmler's Posen speech,
>  > 
>  > Controversial and not proven. In any event, it mentions nothing about gas chambers.
>  > Also, no figures were given.
>  
>  So? Why should it mention both gas chambers and the numbers killed?

You are the one who referred to it to support your contentions, didn't you?
>  
>  Himmler explicitly states that the extermination of Jews is Nazi 
>  policy. period.

Debateable. 

>  
>  Recordings of this speech exist, as do his handwritten notes.

The handwritten notes and the recordings differ.
>  
>   
>  > >    letters between Nazis,
>  > 
>  > What letters?  Which Nazis?  How were these letters found? When? Where? By whom?
>  
>  Franke-Gricksh to Himmler, Kammler, Gobbel's diary, the Einsatzgruppen
>  reports, and the like.

OK.  Where do any of these mention gas chambers?

 Kremer wrote at length about 'sonderaktions' and removing
>  organs from recently murdered inmates.  hardly 'dualistic.'

He does not mention gas chambers.  Removing organs from deceased
patients is a usual procedure during an autopsy.  
>  
>    orders and technical
>  > >    descriptions of the gassing machinery,
>  > 
>  > Produce them please.
>  
>  i will, in the next post.

OK.  Good.
>  
>  > > orders for Zyklon-B
>  > >    calling it 'material for resettlement,
>  > 
>  > This is not convincing.  Zyklon B was routinely ordered.  In fact, if they had more
>  > of it, perhaps the epidemics would not have taken such a large toll of human lives.
>  > Resettlement does not mean "murder".
>  
>  Why label a lethal reagent as 'material for resettlement?'

The Jewish people were, after all, being resettled.  You choose to attach a sinister
connotation to this.  Also, the Zyklon was for disinfestation-which would ultimately
SAVE lives.  You choose the dualistic interpretation.
>  
>  
>  > > and the like
>  > >
>  > >    We have eyewitness testimony both from former prisoners
>  > >    and camp personell, 

> Please post it so we may see how consistent it is.
>  
>  There's megabytes of it.  you sure you want it all?

I would love it.
>  
.
>  > 
>  > Read the book.
>  
>  No. I haven't the time to go sifting through all of Hoess's memoirs looking
>  for a snippet that supports your thesis. If you have the evidence, you
>  provide it.

Then why do you think of yourself as a serious researcher?  Or do you?

Note:  At first I thought I was addressing Mike Curtis, but later realized that I wasn't-
Mr. Harmon still behaves like a gentleman.
>  
>  -- 




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>  
>  I don't think anyone is "complaining." I think they are pointing out
>  your silly attempts at denial. BTW, no one here is against true
>  historical revisionism.


That is the biggest and best laugh I have had all year!


>

>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>



From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:48 PDT 1996
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52njkg$o79@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com30 Sep 1996
>  04:51:28 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>>  :>>>>>
>  :>>  :>You may have missed a few.
>  :>>  
>  :>>  Indeed.  And we know what they are, don't we Mr. Blackmore?
>  
>  :>Who is "we", Mr. McFee or is it Mr. ?
>  
>  Still afraid to use your real name?
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
I have my reasons, but one of them is not fear.


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:49 PDT 1996
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>   Kimberley Ahlf  writes:
>  
>  
>  On 2 Oct 1996, Gord McFee wrote:
>  
>  > In message <52njkg$o79@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com30 Sep 1996
>  > 04:51:28 GMT writes:
>  > :>
>  > :>>  :>>>>>
>  > :>>  :>You may have missed a few.
>  > :>>  
>  > :>>  Indeed.  And we know what they are, don't we Mr. Blackmore?
>  > 
>  > :>Who is "we", Mr. McFee or is it Mr. ?
>  
>  
>  Having had dealings with Mr. McFee outside of the internet, I can to a
>  certain degree vouch for his identity.  
>  
>  Having been a spectator to Mr. McFee's debate for some time now on
>  usenet, I can also say with confidence that if you have been reduced to
>  questioning his identity then it is perhaps time you reviewed the
>  health of your more substantive arguments.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Well, this information came from someone else.  For the record, I don't believe it.
And by the way, I am not in the least bit worried about the substance or quality 
of my arguments.  Haven't heard anything from you in a while though.


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:50 PDT 1996
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>   libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:
>  Michael P. Stein (mstein@access5.digex.net) wrote:
>  : In article <52n9in$gdu@juliana.sprynet.com>,   wrote:
>  : >Ok, Bill:  Here are the sources which you said I could or would not 
>  : ever come up with- : >
>  
>  Based only on your previous response.
>  
>  : >1.  A Primary Source-You will find a photostatic copy of one of Ilya 
>  : >Ehrenburg's hate tracts fully reproduced in the book:  Ehren Buch des
>  : >Deutschen Soldaten, FZ Verlag, Munich, Germany, 1985.  You can't get more
>  : >unequivocal than that.
>  
>  If that's valid, then thank you.
>  
>  
>  :     I think there have been multiple misunderstandings here.  There was
>  : one _specific_ quote which the New Republic article called a forgery - the
>  : one which supposedly exhorted Soviet soldiers to rape their (i.e., the
>  : Germans')  women.  The question was not (or should not have been) whether
>  : Ehrenburg wrote anti-German propaganda _at all_.
>  
>  Yeah, I read the article.  Personally, I have no doubt the Ehrenburg
>  wrote anti-German propaganda, and that some of it was loathsome; I
>  was just yanking Mr. Belling's chain a little.  I still have no idea
>  how he thinks Ehrenburg's propaganda justifies Streicher's.
>  
>  Bill
>  
>>>>
Reread Ehrenburg's incitements, which cost more innocent people their lives
than Streicher's drivel ever did.  Your chain pulling was not without positive
effect.  It induced me to locate a primary source.  I have always said that I never
bluff.


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>  
>  Ahh, Herr Belling? And I thought it was you that deplored the tone of this
>  conference? Now you are wallowing in the slop with the rest of the
>  revisionists?

Apparently I am learning from your Nizkor cronies.  
>  
>  Herr Belling, I have started to note how many times you refuse to answer a
>  question - saying you don't have time to get to it now - or that you'll get
>  to it later - or that you simply sidestep.

No sidestep.  I DO have a life aside from alt.revisionism. If I say I will get to 
something in the future, then I will.  I am not like your Nizkor buddies.
>  
>  The one who has proven to be pathetic here is you. You had such a promising
>  start but now ....
>  
>  I think your ego has gotten the best of you. Given the quality of your
>  scholarship I don't think that anything you are working on at the moment
>  will come close to changing world opinion on the holocaust. It may get you
>  honororable mention as a star fruitcake up there with Butz and Irving
>  however!

I am beginning to think of this as a honor.
>  
>  
>>>>



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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  
>  >  >  And where is this "special filtering apparatus" mentioned?
>    
>  >  Need it have been mentioned?  Use your God-given common sense
>  >  Sometimes there is more than meets the eye......
>  
>  	Yes, if you want us to believe it is not a fabrication.  That is called 
>  proof.
>  
>  	I suggest you use your common sense.  A man on trial for his life claims 
>  that he thought the water was polluted and could not be used.  The evidence 
>  says otherwise.  The witness states that he used the material in the camp to 
>  get the water running and that there was no reason thatKramer could not 
>  have done so.  The evidence fails on simple cross-examination.  Why did 
>  Kramer's counsel fail to demolish this testimony either with cross-examination or 
>  testimony -- which could have come from Kramer -- in his case.
>  
>  	The common sense answer is simple.  he "special filtration" is a 
>  fabrication.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Special filtration or no special filtration, the water was not brought up
for 4 to 5 days from the river, after they had scrounged through the camp
for materials.  Perhaps the defense counsel could have pursued the questioning
a bit more in depth.


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>

>>>>
I can't answer for Weber, but the soap story is all washed out.


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>   mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes
>  
>>>>
There are the camps themselves, including
>     the destroyed gas chambers. No denier has yet come up with a credible
>     and logically consistent explanation of why these structures were
>     destroyed when the rest of the camp was left intact.
   The usual way is to say that they destroyed anything of military
>     value, glossing over the fact that the early gas chamber in Krema I,
>     which had been converted into a bomb shelter when the larger and more
>     efficient gas chambers were built, was left standing.
>  

>  

I find it curious that Krema one was not blown up with the rest of the structures.
Was this facility also not alleged to have been used as a gassing bunker?
I think the common denominator in the destruction of the Kremas may have
been the large number of cremation ovens, rather than "gas chambers".  Also,
if it was the intention of the Nazis to get rid of the evidence, they did not do a 
very good job of it, for the roof over Krema II had simply collapsed.  The walls
below were all intact.  From what I have read, the Soviets actually completed the
demoltion by carrying off most of the materials.

BYW, I have no argument with you about Porter.  Aside from what you posted, I
have not read anything he has written.  Also, I have not seen all of Spielberg's
Film yet, so I cannot comment. As to the following:

 Porter:
>  
>       TRUE: Many Jews are Marxists who forged thousands of German
>       documents, fabricating German stamps by the hundreds (182, 251, 285,
>       458, 459, 460, 474).
>  
>      The distortion: they did this for passes, authorizations, etc. to
>     escape and to stay alive. But where is it said in the book that they
>     did this to manufacture false evidence, including signed (not stamped)
>     letters in perfect German?
>  
>  I think they probably did it for both reasons, but I do not think this was an exclusive
Jewish practice.

Are we having fun yet?

We, might, if Zippy were to be invited......As a self-acknowledged pin-head, he might
feel right at home on alt.revisionism.








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>   klewis@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On Wed, 02 Oct 1996 04:05:26 -0800, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine)
>  wrote:
>  
>  >In article <52t904$i6t@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  >
>  >> >   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>  >
>  >[snip]
>  >
>  >> >  Like your 'opinion' that the Discovery channel is knowingly misleading the
>  >> >  public by promoting a false figure of the number killed at Auschwitz  ? 
>  >> 
>  >> Another distortion.  What I said was it was IRRESPONSIBLE, whether knowingly
>  >> or unwittingly.  
>  >
>  >Really? Did you not write, Herr Schwarzesel, that "...the program
>  >directors of the Discovery Channel are deliberately misleading the
>  >public." Did you not also write, Herr Schwarzesel, "Do you admit then,
>  >that the program directors of the Discovery Channel are deliberately
>  >misleading the public?" [1]
>  >
>  >Well, Herr Schwarzesel, did you? Of _course_ you did. 
>  
>  
>  Mark. You caught Herr Belling in a lie? How very unsurprising!
>  
>  
>>>>
I don't need you to answer for me, Kennie.  I did indeed write that. 
What of it?  If they do air the program and they give a false number
of 4.5 million dead at Auschwitz, someone soemwhere is deliberately
misleading the public.  You do it all the time.  I couldn't tell even a 
million lies to equal the lie you propound daily on this USENET 
site..


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>   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>  In article <52t904$i6t@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  > >   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>  
>  >

>  > Another distortion.  What I said was it was IRRESPONSIBLE, whether knowingly
>  > or unwittingly.  And that is STILL my answer.  What's the matter?  Didn't they
>  > reply to your enquiry?
>  
>  Actually, I got the same reply that Mr. Van Alstine did. I don't think
>  you'd be stupid enought to fabricate an entire program, however, so I sent
>  them the request again. But I am still unsure as to how it will PROVE your
>  claim that the Discovery Channel is knowingly misleading the public.

Watch the program and listen to what the moderator claims, then get back to me.
Any conversation in between is worthless.
>  
>  First, it was not a distortion. You did make the claim:
>  
> 

>  
>  This is not a retraction of a clearly false statement made by you

It is not a false statement, but it could have been worded a bit differently, which
is why I sent you the additional statement to clarify.  THAT statement is valid and
I have no reason to change it.



, you should either
>  admit your error and retract the statement, or admit that you are a liar.
> 
Well, I am not a liar, regardless of your worthless opinion, and I have clarified the
statement.  By the way, I don't hear any more of your chirping about me "posing"
as Duncan Coons or some other nonsense, as evidently this was all explained to you.
Neither did I see you admit YOUR error in attributing something to me falsely.  I would
say we are EVEN.
>  
>  >> What is your basis for the opinion regarding the Simon Wiesenthal Center ?
>  
>  > The truth.  Something you know little of.
>  
>  Let's review again, shall we ?


No need to review.  the answer is the same.  it is what I believe.  
You need to get a life Gandhi.  Don't you have a girlfriend or anything?





>  
>>>>



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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  >  Right.  the big-time lawyer says that we don't need to prove crimes alleged
>  >  against Germans.  Where was their "dream team"?
You lost this argument ages ago.

Yale E:
You are now trying to tell us those convictions were is error.  That, 
>  sonny boy, requires a little more than "reasonable suspicions."  It requires facts 
>  and evidence.  You have presented none.
>  
SOME of the convictions were indeed in error, as is proven by the fact that so many
of the "convicted" were released dhortly after their sentences were pronounced or
received pardons.  Kramer is one of the people who was made to stand in lieu of his
superiors.  I have presented more evidence in support of this fact than is necessary.
I leave the judgment up to the browsers, not to you.  You are one of the aggrieved
parties.

Y.E.:
You have whines. 

(What kind?  Mogen David?)
>  
>  	You have speculated.
>  
>  	You have postured.
>  
>  	You have lied.

Are you talking to me?  Are you talking to me?  I don't see anybody else here
but you.....

Sorry that I can't take you seriously, sonny boy.  In the marketplace of 
>  ideas you are a loser.

In the marketplace of truth, you are an arsonist.
>  


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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>    
>  >  >  	Where did the British get the water?
>  
>  >  read the test.  I even quoted it for you.
>  
>  	According to the testimony they obtained it from the river using the 
>  camp equipment.
>  
>  	According to the testimony it was potable.
>  
>  	According to the testimony they needed no special filters.
>  
>  	According to the testimony the camp equipment worked fine.
>  
>  	
>  	
>  
>  	--YFE 

I am glad that you finally agree that the failure to provide water was 
>  Kramer's fault.
>  
 You ARE delusional!

Now let's go on to the next point.  Kramer denied food to the inmates. 
>   Food was available.  You are well aware of what he did and what he didn't do. 
>   Why did he deprive those starving people of food?

Because he was saving it all for you, baby.

DANISH PROVERB:  Lawyers and painters can soon change white to black.




From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:35:57 PDT 1996
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> 

>  
>  Alas, one does not need much formal training in medicine to see that this 
>  poor man's arguments are in the twilight throes.
>  
>  > 
>  > --
>  > Gord McFee
>  > I'll write no line before its time
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  
>  
>>>>
Keep dreaming.  I have just begun to fight.




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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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>   

>  
>  Your handwaving away important data. Whatever life you have or don't
>  have concerns me not, btw.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Such a gentleman, such a scholar.


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Subject: Re: Pulling Hen's Teeth
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>
>  >
>  >>  
>  > You'll do much better with original documents,
>  >>  eye-witness accounts and physical evidence than rehashings and
>  >>  opinions.  >>>>
>  >
>  >That's what I keep telling you....now, where is it?  Why don't we address eye-witness
>  >accounts-oh, I already have in Soviet Def Comedy Jam which no one would touch with
>  >a ten foot pole.  Better luck next time.  I think I will start dealling with your eyewitness
>  >testimonies in depth soon.  you may end up regretting your suggestion....
>  >
>  
>  Who the hell are you replying to?
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
What the hell are you asking?


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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Priests murdered in Dachau
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Can we now discuss the priests and nuns murdered in the Soviet Union
and in Spain during the civil war?


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:36:00 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Revisionist Def Comedy Jam - Part 2
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>   mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:


>  

(snip)
>  
>  

r.
>  
>>>>
This posting of yours interests me, so I will research it further.  I happen to have other
affadavits and statements by Morgen somewhere.   I hope to get to this asap.


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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52tgb8$ksr@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  :>
>  :>>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  :>>  On 30 Sep 1996 02:09:25 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  :>>  
>  :>>  
>  :>>  #This is avoiding the issue.  The rivers of Europe are and have been highly
>  :>>  #polluted for decades now.  If the British did not make the water potable,
>  :>>  #perhaps many prisoners died as a result of drinking this water.  Please
>  :>>  #provide the proof that the British did not use filtering equipment.
>  :>>  
>  :>>  Giwers rules: He who asserts must prove.
>  :>>  
>  :>>  The two of you have made the assertion. YOU prove it.
>  :>>  
>  :>>  
>  :>>>>>
>  :>Try reading an encyclopedia.
>  
>  No, no, no Mr. Blackmore.  That's not right.  Five point penalty and, if you
>  don't start behaving, you'll get a detention.  A silly statement like "try
>  reading an encyclopedia" when asked to support your groundless allegations
>  does not meet the standard that _YOU_ claimed to adhere to, just a week ago. 
>  Now, behave yourself, or you'll have to play elsewhere.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
Why should I, when I can pick on kids twice my size and 10 times dumber?


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Subject: Re: Re Hoess & rbl lies
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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On 29 Sep 1996 18:31:02 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>

>   I am working on a comedy skit on the beliefs of revisionists right now. The
>  Zundle-UFO bit usually has the audience in hysterics. I am working on a bit
>  about you right now. It is not as funny as the Zundle skit but you keep
>  posting (and giving me more material) and it is starting to come together.
>  It is beginning to get a few laughs in the test audiences.

Great.  It can't be any funnier than your posts, though.
>  
>  Audiences also get a kick at the bit I do about the fight in the IHR offices
>  and I am told my Butz piece is as funny as the Zundle one.

Perhaps it is.  Keep up the good work, Jerry. er. I mean, Ken.
>  
>  Keep up the good work, Herr Belling. I am looking forward to presenting it
>  on The Tonight Show. Maybe I'll showcase you.

Watch out Leno.
>  
>>>>



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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  
>  >  >  >  >  	Where did they get the water?
>    
>  >  >  >  This question has been answered in a recent reply to B. Harmon.  Follow
>  >  >  >  the yellow brick road....
>    
>  >  >  	The answer is nothing more than your speculation.
>  
>  >  No it isn't.  It is in the testimony.
>  
>  	Excuse me, sonny boy, but that is what everybody else has been saying.  
>  *You* (and our resident criminal) have been the ones maintaining it came from 
>  somewhere else.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
You have the quotes which I gave you.  the water came from the field units of 
the british army.  You are supposed to be a lawyer.  You know what they say
about lawyers:  "It is the trade of lawyers to question everything, yield nothing,
and to talk by the hour."


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Subject: Re: "Der Stuermer"-Hitler's Favorite Mag?
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  

>  
>  Now, please re-think your statement "supporters" of the Holocaust.  No one
>  _supports_ the Holocaust.  Decent people abhor it.  Do you?
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
What is your definition of the Holocaust and I will tell you.


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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
> 

>  In other words, you are just fabricating things.  Thank you for admitting it.


.  I said when I get around to it.
Some people work, you know. 

>  :>>  :>> , why don't you
>  :>>  :>>  provide some specific examples and citations?
>  :>>  :>
>  :>>  :>Don't have the time right now.  Sorry.  I'll try to get to it later.
>  :>>  
>  :>>  In other words, you're all hot air.
>  :>
>  :>In other words, i don't have the time right now.  You're not paying me.
>  
>  In other words, you are all hot air.  You allege--you back it up.

In other words-when I get the time. 


 Those are
>  the rules of debate.  If you can't obey them, you'll have to play somewhere
>  else.

Oh, I don't play.....I do have a life and other committments besides here.  I also 
answer about 30 posts daily.  i simply don't have the time to reply to a request
immediately.
>  
>  :>>  It's the kind of thing that criminals have done since time immemorial--cover
>  :>>  their tracks.  Like your other hero Kremar.

He is not a hero of mine, and it is unfair of you to say this but he 
did not deserve what he got.  If you think it is odd
that I have directed people toward questioning some of the sentences at Nuremberg,
think again.  I am merely drawing people's attention to obvious incongruities. The fact is
ALL people are capable of committing atrocious acts against their fellow man.  It is unjust to
be forever lambasting the German people over events which happened years ago and for which
one can find parallells even today.  If people and agencies persist in doing this, then I feel that
someone has to place things in their perspective.   Not all of the Nazis were evil.  In fact, the
Soviets were worse.  Why keep dwelling on this subject?  One would think that the Jews
were the only race of humanity to ever undergo persecution?  it wasn't right, but if you insist 
on exploiting the bad memories of the past and rehashing old and new propaganda stories,
then the other side deserves to be heard.
>  :>
>  :>Is that why you have the Nazis constructing a lethal "gas chamber" at Dachau
>  :>at the end of 1944? 

>>  I am not the problem here.  You are.

No, the problem is in inconsistent statements and actions like the above.

  I support my statements.  You simply
>  blow hot air.

Really?  I support my statements as well.  All things in good time. This "Jack" doesn't
jump over the candlestick at your behest.  I would not mind taking a little extra time
to post things if you would conduct yourself like a gentleman.
>  

>  You see things that don't exist.  I am not connected to Nizkor, except to have
>  helped out with a couple of translations, and I am nobody's boy.

I wasn't aware of the fact that you spoke German until tonight.  Now, I wish
 that someone would help them learn how to properly trace a document and
determine it's authenticity.
>  
>  I _do_ post under my own name.  I am not ashamed to stand up for my beliefs? 
>  Why are you too craven to stand up for yours?

I am not.  I have other reasons.
>  
>
 Rigorous standards of proof?  You never post any proof at all--just>  allegations.

It sounds as if you are talking about Nizkor.
At least I do not insist that my assumptions based upon logic and reason are incontro-
vertible fact, like people at Nizkor do.  Sometimes all we have to go on is our God-given
common sense.  Aside from that, people like you or I should certainly be allowed the 
perogative to agree or disagree in a civilized manner, but that is usually not the case.
>
  Of course, the classic denier tactic.

I know of no denier tactic.  I am stating something in good faith, but you refuse to 
accept it.  I feel the gravity of these charges should be proven beyond a reasonable
doubt according to standards current in any major criminal homicide case prosecuted 
in America. 
>  :>
> 

>  
>  Not invective, sir, a simple statement of fact.  Annoys you to hear the truth,
>  doesn't it?

That is what I always say.  The truth is not annoying to me, but people putting words in
my mouth or assigning motives to me which aren't there, is annoying.  You seem to be an
honorable fellow, and I really do not want to see a deterioration in the quality of our discussions-
as has happened with some of the Nizkor bullies.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
> 

>  
>>>>



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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52tj26$mi5@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  :>
>  :>>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  :>>  In message <52neir$o79@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com30 Sep 1996
>  :>>  03:25:15 GMT writes:
>  :>>  :>
>  :>>  :>And I will say it again:  Kramer was a victim of circumstances.
>  :>>  
>  :>>  You may say it until the cows come home, Mr. Blackmore, that will not make it
>  :>>  true.
>  
>  :>No, but the facts do make it true.  Pity that you refuse to admit it.
>  
>  You have posted no facts that make anything true--just your assertions.  You
>  can wish that just saying something made it true, but real life is not like
>  that.  Of course, deniers do have problems with real life.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
What is your definition of a denier?  is that in opposition to a "believer"?


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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
Date: 3 Oct 1996 07:39:25 GMT
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  >  >  
>  >  >  	WHAT FACTS?  You have presented no "facts" whatsoever.
>  
>  >  Are you suffering from delusional thinking?
>  
>  	No.  I am dealing with the historical record.  You have presented 
>  speculations, strange arguments, and denials of the testimony of those who were 
>  there.  You wouldn't even be allowed to present your arguments to a jury.  And, if 
>  you did they would laugh at you.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Right.  You speak for the world.  Aside from that, what I did was to present nothing
BUT facts from the trial record itself.  You are delusional.  Thank God it's not con-
tagious.


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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52t95q$i6t@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  :>
>  :>>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  :>>  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  :>>  
>  :>>  # Already posted the fact that Kramer thought the river was
>  :>>  # polluted.
>  :>>  
>  :>>  Not a good enough excuse. Think of something better.
>  :>
>  :>What is better than the truth?  You and I have different standards.
>  
>  You and Dr. Keren do indeed have different standards.  Unfortunately, yours
>  appear to be less connected to the truth than his.  You say that Kramer
>  thought the water was polluted, then refuse to post the citation for that when
>  challenged.
>  
>  :>>  # Mr. Giwer also makes a good point when he adds that the
>  :>>  # British had to have provided some special filtering
>  :>>  # apparatus for the water to have been made drinkable.
>  :>>  
>  :>>  And where is this "special filtering apparatus" mentioned?
>  :>
>  :>Need it have been mentioned?  Use your God-given common sense
>  :>Sometimes there is more than meets the eye......
>  
>  Yes, it needs to have been mentioned because, like most of Giwer's rubbish, it
>  is patently untrue.  You allege--you prove.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
The same may be said of the gas chambers.  For the record, however, you
may find all in the "Belsen Trial".


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 08:36:07 PDT 1996
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Subject: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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Probably the one question most frequently asked by people who
 express an interest in Revisionism is: "Do you have any proof that
 Germans were tortured in order to extract confessions?" 

It must be clearly understood that the entire Holocaust-gassing myths
 stands and falls with the "confession" of Rudolf Hoess, one-time
 commandant of Auschwitz - an Allied prisoner who was sadistically
 tortured. The bulk of this rebuttal offered below will address itself to
 the nature of the Nuremberg Trials in general, and Hoess's "confession"
 in particular, since these trials were the bench mark on which the entire
 extortion "reparations" scheme was constructed, and in which Hoess
 was a key figure. 

However, it behooves the reader to understand that torture - either
 to obtain confessions or simply for sadistic purpose - was a fact of life
 in post-war Germany. It went on for many years. 

A number of able historians have done an admirable job in exposing
 the facts relating to the shocking use of torture by the Allies. Admittedly,
 documentation is often difficult to obtain, due to the fact that the Allied
 "interrogators" generally covered their tracks well, yet the persistence
 of historians and researchers interested in the truth has begun to pay off. 

If I were to point to one particular event which signaled the allies policy
 in regard to treatment of the vanquished, I would designate the meeting
 of the so-called "Big Three" at Teheran in 1943. It was a telling episod
 forecasting what was yet to come and illustrating the cavalier attitude
 against a soon-to-be-vanquished foe. 

As described by both Churchill and Elliott Roosevelt in their memoirs, 
"Stalin rose and proposed a blood-curdling toast. The strength of the
 German army depended, he said, upon fifty thousand high officers and
 technicians. His toast was a salute to shooting them, ". . . as fast as we
 can, all of them." 

Quick as a flash, Churchill sprang to his feet - his face and neck were
 red, says Elliott Roosevelt, who was present - and announced, quite
 hypocritically, as it turned out, that British conceptions of law and justice
 would never tolerate such butchery. 

Into this breach stepped President Roosevelt. He had a compromise to suggest. 
Instead of executing fifty thousand, perhaps ". . . we should settle on a
 smaller number. Shall we say, 49,500?" 

Here is another telling vignette, as recounted by American author
 Marguerite Higgins visited Germany following the war and later wrote
 of her experiences in "News Is a Singular Thing". 

Higgins described a visit to a GI "Interrogation Center": 

"The GI led us to the main door of the camp . . . Behind the bars of the cell
 we saw 3 uniformed Germans. Two of them, beaten and covered with blood,
 were lying unconscious on the floor. A third German was lifted up by the hair
 on his head, and I shall never forget, he had red hair like a carrot. A GI turned
 his body over and struck him in the face. When the victim groaned, the GI
 roared, "Shut your mouth, damned Kraut!". . . . It turned out that for almost
 a quarter of an hour, the doubled rows of 20 to 30 GI's stood aligned taking
 turns methodically beating the six captured Germans. . . It came out later that
 the worked-up GI's had captured six young German boys, who had never even
 been members of the SS. The youngsters had only recently been inducted into
 a government work battalion. The boy with the red hair was 14 years old. The
 other 5 German boys in the cell blocks were between 14 and 17 years old." 

The book "Vorsicht! Faelschung!" reproduces a photograph of 2 German
 youngsters taken after their "interrogation" by Allied investigators. The photo
 speaks for itself. The faces of the two youngsters are bruised, swollen, and bloody. 

These beatings were endemic. These were not isolated occurrences. And if this was
 the treatment meted out to the innocent - to youngsters in particular - it is only logical
 to assume that "Nazis" accused of "heinous crimes" were treated far, far worse. 

The episodes recounted below are only a small fraction among thousands and
 thousands of documented cases. The SS were particularly targeted. 

Long before the Nuremberg Trials even began, the Allies looked upon the
 SS as a criminal organization. There was ample reason for that, for the SS
 happened to be the most determined adversaries of the Allied forces, and
 offered the most resistance. Allied casualties were generally much higher
 whenever they were thrown into combat opposite seasoned SS troops. The
 SS were both feared and admired for their military prowess. Consequently, 
the members of the SS received the most brutal treatment at the hands of the
 allied forces. The Allies sought to expunge the very memory of this elite Nazi
 formation. 

Yet the truth of the matter is that the Waffen SS was no more criminal than
 any other fighting unit, Allied OR axis. The treatment its members received
 at the hands of the Allies was unjust and often criminal. Particularly since SS
 members were often stationed at concentration camps as guards, the Allies
 took advantage of this fact and used it to condemn the members of the SS
 as a whole. Yet it should go without saying that simply because someone was
 a guard at a camp does not mean he or she was a criminal. 

What follows is a series of reports concerning the treatment Waffen SS soldiers
 received at the hands of the Allies. All documentation is taken from the
 book "Alliierte Kriegsverbrechen und Verbrechen gegen die Menschlichkeit." 



April 1945 

•Paderborn. An SS officer is ordered by his interrogators to take off his
 shirt and undershirt. He is then beaten about the face and back with 
a whip. An MP extinguishes his lit cigarette on the man's back. He is then
 ordered to stand with his face against a wall, while his interrogators press
 the muzzle of a gun against his neck. A chain is placed around his wrist
 and twisted until the man collapses from the pain. 

•Bavaria. A Police General is taken prisoner and led to a cell, where an American
 soldier holds a pistol to his head and then urinates all over his body. 

•At a special camp run by the Americans for captured SS and Nazi Party
 members, a sadistic American Sergeant, Paul Doyle, brutally torments the
 men in his charge. Daily he beats men into unconsciousness, often breaking
 their ribs. The men are beaten so frequently and so badly that they have to
 be hospitalized. One night he enters a cell and beats a man for an exceptionally
 long period of time. When the victim becomes unconscious, water is thrown
 into his face to revive him. He is then beaten again. Finally, he is dragged from
 his cell unconscious. The man is later hospitalized for severe injuries, interna
l and external. Another SS officer is so badly beaten by Doyle that he later dies
 of his injuries. Another victim has his head pushed under water for long periods
 of time and his buttocks so severely whipped that the skin is torn and hanging. 

•An SS man is beaten repeatedly on the soles of his naked feet. 

•Two SS men are forced to smear each other's face with human vomit. 

•Two SS men are shot to death after they surrender their arms to Americans. 

•A deputy Ortsgruppenleiter is beaten bloody by Americans with rubber
 truncheons and fists about the head. He is then compelled to eat lit cigarettes.
 In a garden the form of a grave is measured out, then the man is bound hand
 and foot and is left lying on the floor all night long in a room lit by candle light.
 The next day the man is ordered to dig a grave and then stand in it, while an
 American soldier has his picture taken defecating and urinating in the pit. 

•Two SS men are spat at by an American Sergeant and then kicked in the 
genitalia until they collapse. 

May 1945 

•An SS member is burned repeatedly with cigarette butts all over his body. 

•An SS man is chained by his legs and hung up over a latrine with his head in the toilet. 

•Altenburg. SS members are forced to completely disrobe. Americans then whip
 them so badly that they lose consciousness. In that condition they are left lying on the floor. 

•Herford. A severely wounded SS officer is compelled by the Americans to carry
 heavy rolls of barbed wire on his naked shoulders, running at double time. The
 man soon collapses when the skin from his back is ripped from his body. 

June 1945 

•A group of SS leaders are laden down with heavy stones and then commanded
 to exercise barefoot over broken stones and gravel, until they collapse and have
 to be carried away. 

•Two amputees are bound together with cords and forced to remain standing
 without any nourishment for 48 hours. Whereupon the "interrogator" Sergeant
 Wertheim quips: "Now you have two legs." 

•Cage 22: Prisoners are forced to clean the latrines night after night - with their
 bare hands. 

•Cage 23: The American camp Sergeant whiles away the hours by sticking
 needles into the stomachs of helpless prisoners. Note: The above occurred
 in camps in France. 

July 1945 

•Stuttgart. A man was dragged out of his bed in the middle of the 
night by American soldiers because he was accused of being a
 member of the Allgemeine SS. He was dragged into the street and
 cudgeled. One half hour later, he was again dragged out of his bed
 by 2 Americans and driven to an open field and ordered to get out.
 The man refused, fearing he would be shot in the back. Consequently
 he was beaten with rifle butts and fists until he was unconscious. Water
 was thrown on his face and he regained consciousness, whereby he
 was again beaten unconscious for a second time. As a result of the
 attack he suffered broken ribs, gaping head wounds, brain
 damage, and loss of teeth. 

•In the vicinity of Munich, Waffen SS members were forced to
 eat their uniform insignias. 

August 1945 

•In the POW camp Wolfhagen, a severely wounded SS corporal is
 tortured by Americans in order to extract a confession. He is kicked
 in the genitals and burned over and over again with lighted cigarettes.
 The young man is 20 years old. 

•Weiden. POW camp. Two SS men are handcuffed to each other
 while interrogators beat them. They are repeatedly struck in the kidneys. 

•Special mention should be made of the Ziegenhain camp, where we
 have the identities of the American inquisitors. The methods of torture
 used were even worse than the above mentioned cases. The chief
 interrogators at this camp were Inspector Simon, Watson, and Lieutenant 
Goodman. One of their favorite games was to play "Autobahn', whereby a
 victim had the hair of his eyebrows and eyelashes cut or ripped out. Late
r the hair was shoved into the victims mouth or nostrils for long periods of time. 

•A machine technician had his head banged into a wall so many
 times that blood spurted out of his nostrils. 

•A man was brought in for "interrogation'. He was beaten extensively
 on the hands, face, neck and ears with a rubber truncheon festooned
 with barbed wire. Afterwards he was struck in the face repeatedly with
 bare fists. He was forced to stare in blinding lights for hours on end and
 threatened with hanging or shooting. He had swastikas painted on his
 neck and forehead. 

•A victim is forced to swallow a postcard with Hitler's photo, along
 with a burning cigarette. 

•A man is led into one of the torture chambers. There he is compelled
 to undress and lie in vomit, urine, and filth. He is then compelled to
 perform acts so disgusting that they shall not be recited here. 

•"Inspector Simon" forces a man to swallow lit cigarettes and then
 knocks his teeth out. 

So it went, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.
 The dungeons of the Spanish Inquisition could hardly have appeared 
more sinister than these "centers for interrogation'. It even appears that
 the Spanish Inquisition served as a model for the Allied Torquemadas. 

One curious fact concerning these trials is that most of them were
 held by "Americans", as is evidenced by the following excerpt: 

"The British, French, and the Russians withdrew from Nuremberg
 after the first and only "International Military Tribunal' . . . the other
 twelve trials which subsequently took place at Nuremberg and only
 came to an end in 1948, were all-American shows. The judges and
 prosecutors were all American citizens; the trials were held under
 the American flag; the proceedings began each morning by the
 Marshal of the Court asking God's blessing on the United States
 of America, plaintiff versus the defendants. Nevertheless the tribunals
 were supposed to be "international" and to derive their authority from
 the Allied Control Council even after the latter ceased to exist." 

Needless to say, not one of the interrogators employed by these
 modern day inquisitors was ever charged with a crime or brought
 to justice. The dark deeds of their crimes might never have seen
 the light of day had it not been for the persistence and courage
 of the few who documented their offenses. 

How absurd and ignorant it is for Nizkor to claims that confession
 were never extracted from the Germans by coercion or torture!







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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message  - mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark
>  Van Alstine) writes:
>  :>
>  :>In article <52sljt$1soq@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord
>  :>McFee) wrote:
>  :>
>  :>[Herr Schwarzesel's scumbag Nazi apologia snipped]
>  :>
>  :>> Please stop such irrelevant claptrap.  If you want to say you idolize Kramer,
>  :>> please say it and stop with these puerile and infantile games.
>  :>
>  :>Of _course_ Herr Schwarzesel idolizes Kramer -he's a scumbag Nazi
>  :>apologist after all! He first he tries to white-wash Streicher, then
>  :>Go"ring, and now Kremer. Any bets as to when he starts white-washing
>  :>Hitler? 
>  
>  Interesting progression and one that I admit I had not noticed.  Pretty damned
>  hard to whitewash a creature like Streicher, no matter what you think of his
>  sentence.
>  
>  :>And, of course, the only reason Herr Schwarzesel poo-poos Ho"ss is because
>  :>Ho"ss _admitted_ that he was responsible for the mass murder of over a
>  :>millin people! Kinda hard to white-wash _that_ when the scumbag Nazi who
>  :>did it _freely_ admittted he did it.... 
>  
>  He must like Eichmann, who made a similar admission, and then tried to hide
>  behind "I was only following orders".
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
Did you ever read that memorandum that was smuggled out of Eichmann's cell by his
attorney?  How does it feel to be hob-nobbing with the elite scum of the earth?


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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52tj81$mi5@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  :>
>  :>>  
>  :>
>  :>>  
>  :>>  
>  :>>  
>  :>>  
>  :>>  -Danny Keren.
>  :>>  
>  :>>  
>  :>>  
>  :>>  
>  :>>  
>  :>>>>>
>  :>Already addressed this.  Ehlert was a liar who extorted what little possessions
>  :>some of the internees had managed to sneak in with them.  She was out to
>  :>save her own hide.  
>  
>  Nice little trick of censoring Dr. Keren's post.
>  
>  The fact that _you_ say that Ehlert was a liar is nothing more than blabber. 
>  Please post the independent forensic evidence that _proves_ she was a liar. 
>  Two unrelated lie detector results will suffice.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
I'll have to stand in line nehind you and your little imp, Mark van Alstine.


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Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  >  tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  >  
>  >  # Considering how the Soviets had set up a Extraordinary Commission
>  >  # for the study of war crimes from day one of entering the camps, why
>  >  # did the Soviets not take photos of the alleged Cremas, even in their
>  >  # razed state?
>  >  
>  >  Of course they did. See Pressac's book.
>  >  
>  >  # and why didn't the Soviets take any photographs
>  >  
>  >  They did.
>  
>  	Apparently l'il tommy is unaware of the evidence presented at the 
>  Nuremberg trial.  They not only took photographs but made movies as well.
>  
>  
>  >  Poor, poor old Tommy.
>  
>  	If you add "ignorant" you have hit the nail on the head.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
I thought you people were uncomfortable referring to Nuremberg?


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Subject: Re: 'Show Trials'? No, Just Another 'Revisionist' Lie
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  >>  rblackmore@juno.com (aka "jbelling") writes:
>  >>  
>  >>  # So pleased to see that you brought the case of Irma Grese up.
>  >>  
>  >>  Yes, it's fascinating. Here we have the Nazi trashies whining
>  >>  about how the trials of Nazi criminals were "show trials", in
>  >>  which the accused were told what to say, and we have an
>  >>  accused Nazi calling the prosecutor and the survivors "liars".
>  >>  
>  >>  The myth of the "show trials" is going down the toilet,
>  >>  for sure, together with the rest of the "revisionist" rubbish.
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>  -Danny Keren.
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >Are you talking to yourself here, or just ranting in general?  Indeed,
>  >many of the survivors and prosecutors were liars, and the purpose of
>  >these debates is to expose their lies for all to see.  By the time we are
>  >through with our expose', the emperors shall indeed be without any clothes.
>  
>  Well, Belling/Blackmore/Whomever, we first have to overcome your lies
>  and unsubstantiated wonderings around historical events. To prove that
>  someone is lying you have to present something that, well, proves they
>  were lying. Also to meet your criteria you must also prove that they
>  lies intentionally. So the ball is still bouncing in your court.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
A rose is a rose and a lie is a lie. 


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 12:05:42 PDT 1996
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>   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  >>  The Chief of the Security Police and the SD
>    
>  >>  Berlin, August 7, 1941
>   
>  >Your point?
>  
>  Jews were specially singled out for execution.
>  
>  Reprisal killings are war crimes.
>  
>  --
>   John Morris                               
>   at University of Alberta     
>  -- 
>  The Nizkor Project     | http://www.nizkor.org/
>  
>>>>
Then why did the French announce in 1945:  if any Germans were caught committing
acts of resistance against the French occupation army, that 10 Germans would be
shot for every Frenchman killed?  


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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On 29 Sep 1996 18:12:22 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  #>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  #>  The Chief of the Security Police and the SD
>  #>  
>  #>  Berlin, August 7, 1941
>  #>  
>  #> 
>  #>  
>  
>  #Your point?
>  
>  I am not making one, Herr Belling. I will let the Einsatzgruppen Reports
>  make the point for me.
>  
>  
>>>>
First prove that these are authentic Reports.


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 12:05:43 PDT 1996
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  >  >  	Wrong.  The British brought up the trucks and then found that the water 
>  >  >  which Kramer denied the prisoners was potable.
>  
>  >  Wrong.  Read the testimony.
>  
>  	I did.  The testimony states that they used the pumps and hoses in the 
>  camp and got the water from the river.  They also stated that there was no reason 
>  why Kramer could not do the same.
>  
>  	Against that testimony we have:
>  
>  	your speculations.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
No.  You are obviously referring to a different portion of the testimony,
either deliberately or accidentally.  Reread it.  The water from the river
was not pumped into the camp until 4 to 5 days later.  

"Be frank and explicit with your lawyer....It is his business to confuse the
issue afterwards."--J.R.Solly.


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct  3 12:05:44 PDT 1996
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 As I suspected, Anantomy of the Auschwitz Death
Camp says nothing about the eventual fate of Kammler.  However, there is a reference to
Pruefer, the designers of the crematoriums, as well as Bischoff.  Here is what is related:

On May 30, (1945), after a botched investigation, the U.S. Military
 Police arrested Pruefer.Ludwig Topf committed suicide on the night
 of May 30-31-needlessly, as it turned out, since on June 13, Pruefer was set free, even
managing to come away with AN ORDER FOR A FURNACE FROM THE AMERICANS.
The U.S. investigators, failing to search the company's home offices, did not "understand"
Topf's role in setting up the gas chambers at Auschwitz.

>From  June 14 to 21, Ernst Wolfgang Topf and Pruefer "apparently" destroyed all the 
contracts the firm had signed with the SS at Auschwitz.  On July 3, the Soviets occupied.
Erfurt.  On October 11, Gustav Braun, Topf's director of development, was questioned
by the Soviet military about Pruefer and the Topf brothers.  On March 4, 1946, the 
Soviets arrested Braun (who had become temporary director) Sander, Pruefer, and Schultze.
Erdmann escaped internment because he was REGISTERED IN A COMMUNIST UNION.
Braun was condemned to 25 years in the Gulag but was freed in 1955.  The fate of
Pruefer is unknown........Unlike the Americans, the Soviets immediately "discerned" 
Pruefer's role in the construction of Auschwitz.

Bischoff led a quiet post-war life and died in 1950.  Only two members of the Zentral-
bauleitung, Walter Dejaco and Fritz Ertl, went before a tribunal.....The trial of the two
architects of the crematoria in Vienna in January 1972 ended with the RELEASE OF BOTH.
(Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp, pg. 240).

Well, now, how interesting.  Thanks to Mr. Curtis we now have a few answers.  Number one,
neither Curtis nor "Anatomy" can tell us what happened to Kammler.  

2.  We now see that Topf died a "suicide" while in American hands....how convenient.
I wonder if anyone can tell us a bit about Herr Topf's arrest, capture, and interrogation?
Also, the names and ranks of his captors and the complete circumstances surrounding
his interrogation and alleged suicide.  "Botched"?...I think not.. What a web we weave......

3.  We next read that Pruefer was set free (!), as well as receiving a commission to design
a furnace for the allies!  How strange!

4.  The Americans "failed" to understand Topf's "role".  I believe they understood his role
quite well, that is why we are left with an alleged "suicide".  They simply wanted him out of
the way.  They understood better than most that "loose tongues sink ships".

5.  Next we are told that Wolfgang Topf and Pruefer "apparently" destroyed all contracts
with the SS.  Why "apparently"?  Perhaps these contracts were destroyed by people with
other interests in mind....

6.  Not to overlook the Soviet actions:  How curious that Erdmann escaped
 internment because he was a member of a communist union.  Also, the early
 release dates for the other two captives simply proves that the whole arrest
 and trial of the other two gentleman was a complete FARCE, and was prompted
by base political motives.  Notice that the "evil" Braun was released in 1955!
No one knows what finally happened to Pruefer....apparently the Soviets advised him
to conveniently "get lost".  The Soviets did not just "discern" Pruefer's role-they 
CREATED it.  Those Soviet Broadway show trials!

7.  The man Bischoff, as we are told, led a QUIET LIFE UNTIL 1950!  The infamous
Bischoff, whose alleged communications are relentlessly promoted by Holocaust
enthusiasts, was apparently kept under wraps for specific reasons.  No trial, no
imprisonment, nothing-and why?  Because these communications amount to NOTHING.
NIL.  

8. Dejaco and Ertl were the two victims selected to "take the heat".  Underlings.
How apropos!

9.  The trial in Vienna in January 1972 ended in the release and vindication of both.
How interesting.....

My thanks to Mr. Curtis.  Mazel tov!  By the way, what DID happen to Kammler?





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Raj Gandhi often accuses me of being a liar.  In an ongoing tirade
he accuses me of falsifying figures aired in a documentary on Josef
Menegele, in which it was asserted that 4.5 million people died at
Auschwitz.  The name of the program was "Mengele-the Man and his
Crimes".  Now, we have another source to add to this undistinguished
list:  

In the November 1994 issue of "World War II", a bi-monthly
magazine  published in the United States by Cowles History Group,
it was maintained in an article on the "Final Solution" that:

"The death camp tolls included Maidanek's 750,000, Chelmno's
1,135,000, and Auschwitz and its sub-camps' 4,000,000." (Page 58)

That's right ladies and gentlemen-you read correctly: 4,000,000!
Let's see now:  4,000,000 Auschwitz
                         1,135,000 Chelmno
                            750,000 Maidanek
                       _________
                        5,885,000

However, they forgot to include the estimated death figures for
Treblinka, Sobibor, Mauthausen, Gross Rosen, Dachau, Natzweiler,
Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, Dachau, Oranienburg, Neuengamme, 
Belzec, Dora, Stutthof, Flossenburg, Ravensbrueck, Theresienstadt, etc.,
not to forget the Einsatzgruppen......

That should bring the total up to........10,000,000?....12,000,000?.....
Go ahead-pick a number-any number will do.......

How were they killed?

Gas Vans?  Shooting?  Lethal Injection? Zyklon B?, Suffocation?,
Eating poisoned cakes?, "Steamed to death", Stabbed to death
by the Hitler Youth?, Electrocuted to death?,  "Pressed to death" by 
moveable walls?

Go ahead-pick a method-any method will do....

A deliberate distortion?  An accidental distortion?  Irresponsible?
Yellow Journalism?

Go ahead-pick one, or pick them all.

Who needs revisionists?  

Apparently Mr. Gandhi, as well as the Discovery Channel and the
Publishers of World War II magazine.

Now, I would expect that Mr. Gandhi will now do the right thing and
inform the editor of the above magazine that their figures are HOPELESSLY
WRONG.  Mr. Gandhi offered to do just such a thing in a previous commun-
ication with me, when I asked him if he would inform agencies that they were
publishing erroneous information on the Holocaust.  Let me make this easy for
him.  Here is their address and the person to contact:

Michael E. Haskew, Editor
World War II Magazine
Cowles History Group
Cowles Magazines Inc.,
602 S. King St. Suite 300
Leesburg, Va. 22075

Be sure to get back to us after you set them straight.


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52vqet$gs4@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com3 Oct 1996
>  07:37:01 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  :>>  
>  :>
>  :>>  
>  :>>  Now, please re-think your statement "supporters" of the Holocaust.  No one
>  :>>  _supports_ the Holocaust.  Decent people abhor it.  Do you?
>  
>  :>What is your definition of the Holocaust and I will tell you.
>  
>  You mean there is a choice?
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
I simply asked for your definition of the Holocaust?  Will you give it?


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52vnmn$gs4@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com3 Oct 1996
>  06:49:59 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>>   bodhi@sattva.org (Bodhisattva) writes:
>  :>>  In article <52t8pf$i6t@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  :>>  
>  :>>  > Your argument is a non-sequitor.
>  :>>  > By the way, NO group of people paraphrase and quote out of context more
>  :>>  than supporters
>  :>>  > of the Holocaust. 
>  :>>  
>  :>>  All this from someone who has never read Spinoza (or anything else that is
>  :>>  not John Grisham)
>  :>>  
>  :>>>>>
>  :>Who is John Grisham?  I have read Spinoza, as well as Marx, Nietzsche, Hegel, Kant,
>  :>Schopenhauer, Spencer, Darwin, Bertrand Russell, John Stuart Mill, Henry Thoreau,
>  :>Voltaire, etc. among others.  Now, what is your point?
>  
>  But have you read John Grisham?
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
No.


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Q:  John, did you have any song to dedicate to R. Gandhi?

John:  Indeed!

"Instant karma's gonna get you
Gonna knock you right on the head
You better get yourself together
Think about the things you've said

What on earth you tryin to do?
They're laughing at fools like you
You can start anew, but
It's up to you, yeh, you

Cuz we all shine on
like the moon, the stars, and the sun
Well, we all shine on

John:  I also have one for Mark Curtis:

You can shine your shoes
and wear a suit
you can comb your hair
and look quite cute
you can hide your face 
behind a smile
one thing you can't hide
is when you're crippled inside

you can wear a mask
and paint your face
you can call yourself 
the human race
you can wear a collar and a tie
but one thing you can't hide
is when you're crippled inside

well now you know that your cat has nine lives babe
nine lives to itself
but you only got one
and a dog's life ain't fun
mamma take a look outside

you can go to church
and sing a hymn
judge me by the colour of my skin
you can live a lie until you die
one thing you can't hide
is when you're crippled inside

John:  And now for my final number, dedicated to the SWC
and Nizkor

I'm sick and tired of hearing things
>From  uptight-short sighted-narrow minded hypocrites

all i want is the truth
just gimme some truth

i've had enough of reading things
by neurotic-psychotic
pig headed holohuggers

all i want is some truth
just gimme some truth

no short haired yellow bellied
son of tricky dicky
is gonna mother hubbard
soft soap me
with just a pocketful of hope
begging money for dopes
money for dopes

i'm sick to death of seeing things
>from  tight-lipped-
condescending-mommies little chauvinists

all i want is the truth
just gimme some truth

i've had enough of watching scenes
of schizophrenic-ego-centric-paranoiac-
prima-donnas

all i want is the truth
just gimme some truth


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52vqgt$gs4@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com3 Oct 1996
>  07:38:05 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  :>>  In message <52tj26$mi5@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  :>>  :>
>  :>>  :>>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  :>>  :>>  In message <52neir$o79@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com30 Sep 1996
>  :>>  :>>  03:25:15 GMT writes:
>  :>>  :>>  :>
>  :>>  :>>  :>And I will say it again:  Kramer was a victim of circumstances.
>  :>>  :>>  
>  :>>  :>>  You may say it until the cows come home, Mr. Blackmore, that will not make it
>  :>>  :>>  true.
>  :>>  
>  :>>  :>No, but the facts do make it true.  Pity that you refuse to admit it.
>  :>>  
>  :>>  You have posted no facts that make anything true--just your assertions.  You
>  :>>  can wish that just saying something made it true, but real life is not like
>  :>>  that.  Of course, deniers do have problems with real life.
>  
>  :>What is your definition of a denier?  is that in opposition to a "believer"?
>  
>  Thank you for admitting you are a denier.
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
What do you mean?  that I deny you are a believer?


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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

 The river which
>  >>  # Kramer thought was polluted.
>  >>  
>  >>  And the Nazis also probably thought the food in the stores
>  >>  nearby was contaminated, so they didn't give it to the inmates?

Is this what you think?
>  >>  
>  >>  And in Auschwitz, the SS probably thought the air was polluted,
>  >>  so they killed the deportees in order to prevent them from
>  >>  breathing it?
>  >>  
>  >>No.  They were suffocated by moving walls which squeezed them together
like pancakes, and then the floor opened to dump the bodies, as was related
in the Black Book of Polish Jewry.  Tell me - are you serious?

rb
>  >>  
>  >>  
>
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >Tell me-are you?
>  
>  This is nonresponsive and OBVIOUSLY TO ALL does nothing to address
>  Danny's points.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>



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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52vr24$gs4@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com3 Oct 1996
>  07:47:16 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>    
>  :>>  :>>  
>  :>>  :>>>>>
>  :>>  :>Try reading an encyclopedia.
>  :>>  
>  :>>  No, no, no Mr. Blackmore.  That's not right.  Five point penalty and, if you
>  :>>  don't start behaving, you'll get a detention.  A silly statement like "try
>  :>>  reading an encyclopedia" when asked to support your groundless allegations
>  :>>  does not meet the standard that _YOU_ claimed to adhere to, just a week ago. 
>  :>>  Now, behave yourself, or you'll have to play elsewhere.
>  
>  :>Why should I, when I can pick on kids twice my size and 10 times dumber?
>  
>  Pretty bad, Mr. "Blackmore", when you are reduced to this kind of blather,
>  having failed so miserably to prove your point.
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
My blather-your blather-little difference.  Let me know when you are ready
to resume a more dignified correspondence.


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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  Special filtration or no special filtration, the water was not brought up
>  >  for 4 to 5 days from the river, after they had scrounged through the camp
>  >  for materials.  Perhaps the defense counsel could have pursued the questioning
>  >  a bit more in depth.
>  
>  	The testimony was the water was restored with hours of their arrival.
>  
>  	Perhaps defense counsel didn't pursue it becasue he knew that he was 
>  going to beaten over the head with it.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
You're guessing.....By the way-water wasn't "restored", it was brought in by British 
field trucks from their field units.


From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct  4 17:24:07 PDT 1996
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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On 3 Oct 1996 07:33:41 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
Kennie wrote:
>  

>  
>  Sorry, that would be Kenny, not Kennie and only then if you were my mother.
>  
>  And just what is the lie that I 'propound daily,' Herr Belling?
>  
>  (BTW, this is not a USENET 'site.' USENET is USENET. It does not reside at
>  any particular site.)
>  
>  
>>>>
You are "living" a lie.


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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>

>  
>  Oh yes. I forgot. I wasn'r answering for you, Jellybelly. I was replying to
>  Mark. His was such a good post catching you dead-to-rights in an outright
>  lie and I was merely commenting that I was unsurprised.
>  
>  Now tell us what this lie is that I propound daily.
>  
>  
>>>>
Let's see, first it was "Schwarzmehr", then "Herr Schwarzesel", now "Jellybelly",
as in "Jellyroll Morton"?  i think I like that one the best.


From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct  4 17:24:08 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   Brian Harmon  writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  > 
>  > >>>>
I think these issues have been addressed already, so I will try and make 
this brief.

  Brian Harmon  writes:

do you mean the guards who forced starving
>  and sick inmates to carry corpses and shot them if they fell by
>  the wayside?
>  
I don't know which guards you are referring to, but if it is to the 
guards who escorted the prisoners from one camp to another, then,
no, Kramer was not responsible for their mistreatment.  The responsibilty
would lie with the commander of the "escort" battalion.  the situation is
similar in the police escorting prisoners who are "shot while escaping" right
here in our own country.  It is not the Sheriff who is to blame, but those in charge
of the escort.

  You think Kramer _wouldn't_ have known about this?

No.  Why do you think he would?

  it wouldn't occur to Kramer that someone was maltreating the
>  prisoners?

It would have been the guards word against the prisoners.  There would
have to have been a written report and an investigation, and someone would
have had to report the incident.  The camp was huge.  Also, we are looking 
at the last 2 months of the war when all was in chaos and falling apart.  You are
talking hypothetically, anyway.

 This issue keeps getting adressed because you deny facts 
>  squarely in front of you.

No.  It keeps getting addressed because you are avoiding all the mitigating
circumstances as well as other facts which disprove your accusations.

 You keep talking about how Kramer believed it was polluted, 
>     but it's really moot if he didn't *bother to find out*.

No, he didn't.  What he DID was to arrange for a speedy transfer of the
camp to the British.  All the rest is hypothetical, whether he tested water 
which he believed was potable or not.  he didn't believe it was, so he didn't
test it.  if anyone had died from drinking it-you would be using that against him
as well.  And even if he did, you would simply find something else to gripe about
because your mind is closed to any interpretations but your own.

 The only source you provide for this assertion is      
>     Matt Giwer, who didn't bother to back his claim either.

Not so.  have you been following these posts?  What I did was research it
after stating that what Giwer said sounded logical.  Who among us would rush
to a river in Europe in order to drink the water?  Come on, man, use your common
sense.  After researching the testimony, I discovered that the Britis brought water
to the camp in trucks from their FIELD KITCHENS.  Water from the river was not 
pumped into the camp from the river until 4 to 5 days later.  Even then, the water
probably needed some sort of chemical treatment to kill bacteria.  From the films
I have seen of the camp after the British took over administration, people are seen using
pumped in water to SHOWER.  i did not see any of them actually drinking it.

that the British supplied the camp with water using pumps and
>  hoses contained within the camp.

Yes, after scrounging for 5 days.  There are still many unanswered questions 
concerning all this.


>     One can only assume that you are trying concoct some reason
>     why Kramer could not supply drinkable water to the inmates, 
>     even though there was plenty of drinkable water for the 
>     camp personell.

Good.  Let's address this?  There were over 40,000 people in the camp.
How many personnell were there?  Do you know?  300?  Less? More?
Figure it out....BTW, I do not ever "concoct" anything....don't accuse me of things..
I simply try to logically approach these issues without prejudice.  What I DID succeed
in doing is locating the testimony where it states that the british brought fresh 
drinking water in by trucks from their own field kitchens.

 3) inmates were starved to death and not given needed medical 
>      attention.

We have already been through all this.  Refer to previous posts..
>  
>     If sick and starving inmates were being cared for in any 
>     manner, why were they forced to work?
>
ALL of them were NOT compelled to work.  Only the stronger ones, from
what I have read thus far.  I don't know what possible work they could have
been doing during the last few weeks of the war, anyway. 

  Additionally, one must wonder why these prisoners were 
>     forced to starve, while the camp personell and civilians
>     populace had no shortage of food themselves.

There was not enough food to feed 40,000 prisoners, amny thousands
of whom were seriously ill anyway and could not be given food as treatment.
As to the camp personnell, how many were there?  If only the apostles were
there to miraculously  conjure up loaves and fishes.....
>  


>   
>   

Where was this food found?  Even the allies had to fire guns above the mobs
of inmates to restore order. 

  Rather than take action to deal with the thousands of 
>     starving prisoners on his hands, kramer 'wrote a letter'.

Why do you talk so foolish sometimes?

   Other camp personell testified that Kramer did nothing
>     to alleviate the situation, as did the camp's liberators.

Already addressed this.  BTW, what else would you expect from the inmates?
Many of them were common criminals as well being liars.
>  
  Your second-guessing of Kramer is wholly unconvincing.

No second guessing.  I go by the evidence.

 Such as? A prisoner asking for a drink of water?

Are you asking me?  or are you just making it a point of acting silly?

  Are you suggesting that the shooting of these prisoners
>  was justified?

There were many criminals in this camp.  I personally disapprove of violence.
One would need to examine every individual case.

. Which makes it an entirely different thing.  There's
>  a world of difference between firing rifles into the air to
>  stop a mob versus shooting them for falling down while carrying
>  a corpse.

Indeed.  What has this to do with Kramer?  Do you have a copy of any
order signed by him instructing  guards to shoot people because they were
starving, or had stumbled?  If true, and there is NO evidence except the 
accusations of inmates, then the guilt is with the person who fired the weapon,
not Kramer.  You seem to have a problem with chains of command and individual
responsibility for consciously performed acts.  BTW, these "humane" British guards
you refer to also assisted in sending perhaps 1,000,000 innocent cossack men,
women, and children, back to the Soviet Union, KNOWING that they would be murdered.
You have a double standard.  Everything done by a German is "evil" while the
blessed allies are saints in human guise.  this is hypocritical.

  I would like you to picture what this endless chain of dead going  
>    to the pits must have looked like for about five days from sunrise

Apparently, this procession, as it was called, was carting the people who had died
>from  disease to the pits-did you expect them to leave the carcasses there to rot?
 Are you serious?

  Bullshit.  It went on for five days solid. That's not sporadic, 
>  and that's not 'on the whims of the guards.'

You are the one dripping in bullshit.  The bodies had to be buried. 

 And yet these seriously ill people were forced to work, 
>  and not given water.

How many times do you need to be given an answer before you under-
stand the situation?  Apparently, you will never comprehend. 
>  
  Were all of the inmates suffering form dysentery, btw?
>  > 
>  > No.  
>  
>  Then why weren't they given food?

Did you think you "caught" me with this one?  Try again.  80% of the
camp had dysentery.  Others, enteritis, typhus, tb,........However, the children
were fed and protected.  Funny how you skim by that one.

  ...and yet they then _switched_ to pumping water from the river.

5 days later, and it is still unclear whether people drank this water untreated.
I doubt it.  

 How does this exonerate Kramer?

Kramer was a victim of circumstances.

  Taking the corpses out of the water tanks would have been a start.

This was done.  People were dropping like flies from disease.  The British 
lost thousands of them even with the best medical treatment available.

> I cannot answer for Mr. Giwer, [...]
>  
>  Yet you did cite him as some authority on how the british supplied the 
>  camp with water.
>  
Because what he said made more sense than what you were saying.


>   You said that dysentery patients must not be given food, and i provided the
>  quote. That you have now _altered_ what you said is all i wanted to point out.
>  
>  No.  there is no contradiction.

Soup, to name one.

They were getting some soup before the water supply went rancid.  Do you understand
that 40,000 seriously ill people had been crammed into this camp in just a few weeks
time and Kramer only had limited numbers of supplies and lodgings available.
Do you understand the significance of this?  Just wondering....

 he forced them
>  > >  to haul corpses without food or water.  If they fell, they
>  > >  were beaten, shot, or left to die.
>  > >
You arbitrarily assign this to Kramer, but this is unsupportable.  Chaos 
was reigning in the camp by this time.  The "guards" were not even members of the
original staff.

  You need to connect Kramer directly.
>  
>  I have, and the prosecutors at the Belsen trial certainly did.
>  
I emphatically disagree.  Kramer was a scapegoat, just as his attorney said.
The men who should have been sitting in the dock were Pohl and Hoess.

 Care to insult me any further, or are you simply going to declare
>  victory and run away now?

So, I prove a point, and then you call it "running away".  I am here.  I never 
left.  I just won't waste my time with people who have closed their minds to
all reason and common sense.  My father taught me to ignore the ignorant.
I always believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt.  Seeing that you 
refuse to budge an inch on anything, you are indeed bigoted.

 When Giwer asserted that the 
>  british had to use a 'filtering apparatus' to supply the camp with water, you
>  took what he said as a fact, even though he provided no citation.
>  
No, I didn't.  Don't you have any sense of integrity or fair play?  what I said
is there for people with intelligence to read.  i said that his explanation made
sense, then researched it further, learned the true facts, and I still insist that
what giwer said makes sense.  You are just afflicted with Giweritis.

>  Yet when someone questions your notion that Kramer was incapable of supplying the
>  camp with water, you insist on all sorts of evidence, citations, and details

well, THAT comment is very revealing.  Let's just ignore all the evidence, citations,
and details.....what are we left with?----Your prejudiced opinions.  Very telling, indeed.

>  


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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On 3 Oct 1996 04:06:09 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  #>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  #>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  #>  >  >   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  #>  
>  #>  >  >  You may say it until the cows come home, Mr. Blackmore, that will
>  not make it
>  #>  >  >  true.
>  #>  
>  #>  >  No, but the facts do make it true.  Pity that you refuse to admit it.
>  #>  
>  #>  	WHAT FACTS?  You have presented no "facts" whatsoever.
>  #>  
>  #>  	--YFE
>  #>  
>  #>>>>
>  #Are you suffering from delusional thinking?
>  
>  
>  Why? Are _you_ looking for a soulmate?
>  
>>>>
"Lawyers earn a living by the sweat of their browbeating."-    James Gibbons Huneker


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52vr5b$gs4@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com3 Oct 1996
>  07:48:59 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>    
>  :>>  Interesting progression and one that I admit I had not noticed.  Pretty damned
>  :>>  hard to whitewash a creature like Streicher, no matter what you think of his
>  :>>  sentence.
>  :>>  
>  :>>  :>And, of course, the only reason Herr Schwarzesel poo-poos Ho"ss is because
>  :>>  :>Ho"ss _admitted_ that he was responsible for the mass murder of over a
>  :>>  :>millin people! Kinda hard to white-wash _that_ when the scumbag Nazi who
>  :>>  :>did it _freely_ admittted he did it.... 
>  :>>  
>  :>>  He must like Eichmann, who made a similar admission, and then tried to hide
>  :>>  behind "I was only following orders".
>  
>  :>Did you ever read that memorandum that was smuggled out of Eichmann's cell by his
>  :>attorney?  How does it feel to be hob-nobbing with the elite scum of the earth?
>  
>  Since that is what you seem to do (Giwer, the idiot Moron, and whoever in
>  Raven;s gangs of misfits is feeding you your rubbish), why don't you tell us?
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
Surprise, surprise...I have NO connection with any of them.  Now, 
who is feeding you that rubbish?


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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On 3 Oct 1996 04:06:09 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  #>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  #>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  #>  >  >   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  #>  
>  #>  >  >  You may say it until the cows come home, Mr. Blackmore, that will
>  not make it
>  #>  >  >  true.
>  #>  
>  #>  >  No, but the facts do make it true.  Pity that you refuse to admit it.
>  #>  
>  #>  	WHAT FACTS?  You have presented no "facts" whatsoever.
>  #>  
>  #>  	--YFE
>  #>  
>  #>>>>
>  #Are you suffering from delusional thinking?
>  
>  
>  Why? Are _you_ looking for a soulmate?
>  
>>>>
Why?  Are you saying you're available?


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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On 2 Oct 1996 10:32:08 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  #>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  #>  On 30 Sep 1996 02:09:25 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  #>  
>  #>  
>  #>  #This is avoiding the issue.  The rivers of Europe are and have been
>  highly
>  #>  #polluted for decades now.  If the British did not make the water
>  potable,
>  #>  #perhaps many prisoners died as a result of drinking this water.  Please
>  #>  #provide the proof that the British did not use filtering equipment.
>  #>  
>  #>  Giwers rules: He who asserts must prove.
>  #>  
>  #>  The two of you have made the assertion. YOU prove it.
>  #>  
>  #>  
>  #>>>>
>  #Try reading an encyclopedia.
>  
>  Sorry, Jellybelly, none of the encyclopedias support your's and the
>  Giwer-troll's assertion that filtering equipment was used.
>  
>  You're pissing against the wind again.
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Watch it doesn't fly in your face.


From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct  4 17:24:11 PDT 1996
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>
(snipped the usual ranting and diversion tactics)
>  
>  This MAY have been one reason, I'll bet there was another. I'll bet
>  you'll know if you've read ALL the documentation.
>  
>  
>  [snipped repost of old news]
>  
>   [snipped unsubstantiated conclusions.]
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Read the documentation.  My opinion is still the same.


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52u3an$iud@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> - kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
>  (Ken McVay OBC)2 Oct 1996 08:56:07 -0700 writes:
>  :>
>  :>In article <52slmb$1soq@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>, 
>  :>gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>  :>
>  :>>That, or else it was carted in single-handed by l'il Erniekins Zuendel, 
>  :>
>  :>Was that Erniekins Zuendel, or Eniekins Zuendel? Someone needs
>  :>to sell h*berkins a clue, so he can computer the answer....
>  
>  Hehehe.  I doubt that H*uber would get the clue of it bit him in the b*m.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
You sound like giggling little school-girls.  try acting mature even if it goes against
your grain.


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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >>  
>  >>  >  You have already received the answer, yet you pretend that you did not.
>  >>  >  The British supplied water to the camp by piping it in from the river running
>  >>  >  near the camp.  The river which Kramer thought was polluted.
>  >>  
>  >>  	No, the river which was not polluted which *you* state Kramer 
>  >>  thought was polluted.  Where is your evidence for this?
>  >>  
>  >>  	--YFE
>  >>  It's in the text of the trial.  Try reading it someday, counselor.
>  >>>>>
>  >What evidence?  That Kramer thought it was polluted?  Well, we can't very
>  >well ask him today, can we? 
>  
>  I see, you are making this all up.
>  
>  [snipped requests for us to his work for him]
>  
>  
>  
>>>>



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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On 3 Oct 1996 09:32:52 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  
>  >DANISH PROVERB:  Lawyers and painters can soon change white to black.
>  
>  American Proverb: Holocaust deniers 'try' to change black to white.
>  
>  
>>>>
Find your own quotes.  Don't to rustle mine.


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>   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
> 
.
>  
>  Not to belabor the obvious or anything, but where did the water in the
>  water tanks (or reservoirs) come from? Surely a large camp like Belsen
>  did not rely on rain water collected in cisterns. Could the tanks not
>  have been drained after the corpses were removed and replenished from
>  whatever their water source was? From the river perhaps?

Well, you are asking a speculative question here.  One might think of a whole 
list of perhaps, but all we have to go on is what is, or was.  I am not sure
that even the British resorted to the method you described above.  i did
not read it in the transcripts.  i wish they were more explicit about the methods
they utilized after they took over the administration of the camp.

rb
>  
>  --
>   John Morris                               
>   at University of Alberta     
>  -- 
>  The Nizkor Project     | http://www.nizkor.org/
>  
>>>>



From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct  4 17:24:15 PDT 1996
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52vqv9$gs4@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com3 Oct 1996
>  07:45:45 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>    
>  :>>  :>>>>>
>  :>>  :>You might hurt Mr. Zundel's feelings.....Don't you believe in the golden rule?
>  :>>  
>  :>>  Herr Zuendel ist ein Feigling und ein Arschloch.  Es macht mir nichts, dass er
>  :>>  meine Meinung von ihm hasst oder liebt.  Seine Behauptungen sind erstunken und
>  :>>  erlogen.
>  
>  :>Sehr niedlich.  I'll bet you say that to all the girls.....
>  
>  You wouldn't bet that if you knew what I had said.  Get one of your feeds to
>  translate it for you and get back to us.
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
I don't need to.  I am fluent in German, or weren't you aware of that fact?
What you wrote was :  Mr. Zundel is a coward and an asshole. It's of no concern to 
me whether he loves or hates my opinion of him.  His statements are filthy lies.
And like I wrote the first time:  "I'll bet you tell that to all the girls".  BTW, I am noticing
 discernible changes in your personality...is it that time of the month?


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
rblackmore writes:



>  
>I used to think that you were intelligent- so much for first impressions.

Now, to address your current Unsinn:

  Nice little trick of censoring Dr. Keren's post.

Who could ever hope of "censoring" "Doctor" Keren, as you refer to
him.  In fact, he seems to have a lot in common with another "Doctor"
I have read about-Dr. Goebbels.

  The fact that _you_ say that Ehlert was a liar is nothing more than blabber. 
>  :>>  Please post the independent forensic evidence that _proves_ she was a liar. 
>  :>>  Two unrelated lie detector results will suffice.

OK.  One for you and one for Danny Keren.

  Note that Mr. "Blackmore" does not deny that he censored Dr. Keren's post.

Neither do I affirm it.  I am waiting for you to answer for me, like you usually prefer to do.
>  




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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  
>  >  >  	The charges of torture at the Malmedy trial were thoroughly disproved.  
>  >  >  Clay states this.  The Simpsom report states this.  Extensive hearing before the 
>  >  >  Senate establish this.
>    
>  >  >  	You are lying.
>  
>  >  You are in error, as usual.
>  
>  	"It was then that I asked for an independent review which led to the 
>  appointment of the Simpson Commission by the Department of the Army.  This 
>  commission and my own Admisitration of Justice Review Board found that improper 
>  methods had been used to obtain evidence in the Malmedy cases.  Members of the 
>  prosecution staff testified to the use of stage settings, stool pigeons, and similar 
>  methods to extract evidence.  Extreme brutalities claimed by the prisoners, in 
>  manifest self-interest were denied by the prosecution staff and not borne out by 
>  other evidence."
>  
>  	--Lucius Clay "Decision in Germany"  page 253.
>  
>  	Apparently among those in error are Lucius Clay, the Simpson 
>  Commission, and the Senate of the United States.
>  
>  	Apparently you are lying again.  As usual.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
The facts are somewhat different, regardless of what Clay said then, to
try and save face.


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52veag$67i@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com3 Oct 1996
>  04:09:52 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>> 
>  :>
>  :>>  Chuck wrote
>  :>>  Sure he will...   :-))  just like he always does...later, but later 
>  :>>  never comes. This guy is just full of it. "substance that stinks" he 
>  :>>  must mean his breath.
>  :>>  Chuck
>  :>>  
>  :>>>>>
>  :>No, Chuck, I haven't pasted my lips to the master's behind like you have......
>  :>Remember, a sknunk always smells his own hole first.....
>  
>  Mr. "Blackmore", you used to be so nice and polite.  Now you are acting like
>  the rest of the deniers when their lies are exposed.  Nasty...nasty.

>  
>  Since you haven't pasted your lips to the master's behind, can we assume you
>  have pasted them to the master's front?
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
Get thee behind Danny Keren, Satan, and do what you do best.....be sure
to gargle afterwards. 



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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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>   mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>

>  >>>>>
>  >Then why did the French announce in 1945:  if any Germans were caught
>  >committing acts of resistance against the French occupation army, that 10
>  >Germans would be shot for every Frenchman killed?
>  
>      Tit for tat?
>  
>      I would like to take this opportunity to call people's attention to
>  the Nizkor "fallacies" feature.  For this one, see:
>  
>  http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem-tu-quoque.html
>  -- 
>  Mike Stein			The above represents the Absolute Truth.
>  POB 10420			Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
>  Arlington, VA  22210		position of my employer.
>  
>>>>
Don't bother.  I will be the first to say 2 wrongs equal 2 wrongs.  Will you
second it?


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>   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
>  
>  >rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >: First prove that these are authentic Reports.
>  
>  >Why didn't any of the commanders of the Einsatzgruppen think of that one
>  >at their trial?  Too bad you weren't defending them -- an outright denial
>  >might have been better for future revisionists than the defense they
>  >actually used ("I did it, but I was just following orders.")
>  
>  Oh but, Richard, the Einsatzgruppen defendants must have been tortured
>  into saying that. Didn't you know? If a testimony is inconvenient, it
>  was obtained by torture. If a document is inconvenient, it is a
>  forgery. And so far from having to prove it to be so, "revisionists"
>  have only to insinuate it to make it so.
>  
>  --
>   John Morris                               
>   at University of Alberta     
>  -- 
>  The Nizkor Project     | http://www.nizkor.org/
>  
>>>>
First of all, the Einsatzgruppen commanders DID say that many of their
reports and figures were exaggerated.  Secondly, German officers
and soldiers WERE tortured.  Uncomfortable for you to have to admit,
but true nonetheless.


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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On 3 Oct 1996 09:57:03 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  >>  On 29 Sep 1996 18:12:22 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  >>  
>  >>  #>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  >>  #>  The Chief of the Security Police and the SD
>  >>  #>  
>  >>  #>  Berlin, August 7, 1941
>  >>  #>  
>  >>  #> 
>  >>  #>  
>  >>  
>  >>  #Your point?
>  >>  
>  >>  I am not making one, Herr Belling. I will let the Einsatzgruppen Reports
>  >>  make the point for me.
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >First prove that these are authentic Reports.
>  
>  I've already done that Herr Belling. Do try to keep up with the newsgroup.
>  
>  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/the-einsatzgruppen-reports
>  
>  
>>>>
No, you haven't done that to my satisfaction.  However, Ms. Alpert
sent me what I requested.  you ought to try and act more like a lady,
people might respect you more.


From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct  4 17:24:20 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>
.
>  
>  In his short sojourn in alt.revisionism Herr Belling has shown a marked
>  proclivity for wallowing in the mire with the rest of the deniers and
>  accepting unsubstantiated secondary sources and his 'opinion' as being of
>  more value than documentary evidence and first-hand accounts.
>  
>>>>
At any rate, the documents you have posted do not add up to millions.
Try again.  Check out a few "first hand accounts" in my posts, "Soviet
Def Comedy Jam" Parts 1-5.


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <5302lf$kvr@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com3 Oct 1996
>  09:57:03 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  :>>  On 29 Sep 1996 18:12:22 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  :>>  
>  :>>  #>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  :>>  #>  The Chief of the Security Police and the SD
>  :>>  #>  
>  :>>  #>  Berlin, August 7, 1941
>  :>>  #>  
>  :>>  #> 
>  :>>  #>  
>  :>>  
>  :>>  #Your point?
>  :>>  
>  :>>  I am not making one, Herr Belling. I will let the Einsatzgruppen Reports
>  :>>  make the point for me.
>  :>>  
>  :>>  
>  :>>>>>
>  :>First prove that these are authentic Reports.
>  
>  Of course.  When we get a report, signed by Himmler and submitted to Hitler,
>  as attested in writing by his adjutant, the only thing you clowns have left is
>  the old, "gee, it's a forgery".  Pathetic.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
Fie on you, McFee.


From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct  4 17:24:22 PDT 1996
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>   Brian Harmon  writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  > 
>  > >
>  > >  Ahh, Herr Belling? And I thought it was you that deplored the tone of this
>  > >  conference? Now you are wallowing in the slop with the rest of the
>  > >  revisionists?
>  > 
>  > Apparently I am learning from your Nizkor cronies.
>  
>  You are responsible for your own behavio.
>  
>  > >
>  > >  Herr Belling, I have started to note how many times you refuse to answer a
>  > >  question - saying you don't have time to get to it now - or that you'll get
>  > >  to it later - or that you simply sidestep.
>  > 
>  > No sidestep.  I DO have a life aside from alt.revisionism. If I say I will get to
>  > something in the future, then I will.  I am not like your Nizkor buddies.
>  
>  Whoopie.  Rather than insulting the 'nizkor cronies', why don't you simply back
>  up your assertions?
>  
>  
>   
>  Brian Harmon 
>  ====================================
>  "Right on, jew traitor." -- Matt Giwer,
>  displaying his commitment to rational debate.
>  <52kj3e$69m@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>  
>>>>
I usually do...one step at a time.....


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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:
>  
>  >The one who has proven to be pathetic here is you. You had such a promising
>  >start but now ....
>  >
>  
>  I thought so too. Reminds me of Ehrlich606.
>  
>  >I think your ego has gotten the best of you. Given the quality of your
>  >scholarship I don't think that anything you are working on at the moment
>  >will come close to changing world opinion on the holocaust. It may get you
>  >honororable mention as a star fruitcake up there with Butz and Irving
>  >however!
>  >
>  
>  Never! They are much more clever and much more will to attempt to back
>  up their opinions by whatever means necessary. They'll do it even at
>  the expense and in the face of historical data.
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
You like that don't you?


From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct  4 17:24:23 PDT 1996
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>   Brian Harmon  writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com writes:...
>  


>  
>  Mr. Blackmore, your double standard is showing.
>  
>  
>  -- 
>  Brian Harmon 
>  ====================================
>  "Right on, jew traitor." -- Matt Giwer,
>  displaying his commitment to rational debate.
>  <52kj3e$69m@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>  
>>>>
In all candidness, what I would like for you to do is research these things
for yourself.  I can't always accomodate you.  Be content to attack what
I post whenever I get around to it.  I expect no less from you.


From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct  4 17:24:24 PDT 1996
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52vt1m$gs4@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com3 Oct 1996
>  08:21:10 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  :>> 
>  :>
>  :>>  In other words, you are just fabricating things.  Thank you for admitting it.

No, thank YOU for admitting it.  Whenever I need to express my opinion in the future,
I will be sure to call on you so I will know what I am going to say.  Christ, you're starting
to sound like Raj Gandhi now.  Sad, really.
>  :>
>  :>
>  :

>  
>  [deleted]
>  
>  :> 

>  Yet, you seem to have lots of time to make unfounded allegations, don't you?

I do what I can.
>  
>  

>  Boy, have I heard that line before.  Sure you don't want me to post your
>  _real_ name (not the several pseudonyms you post under and the one you _used_
>  to post under, but your REAL name?

Send it to me in an e-mail and I'll tell you if it's right or not.
>  
>




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  gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee to Blackmore)  Blackmore:
> 

>  >>   how do you explain
>  >>  the following remark of Hermann Rauschning?
>  >
>  >How do you explain that Rauschning has since been proven to have been a fabricator
>  >and liar.
.
 Why bother, Belling/Blackmore

Would it matter if I did?  However, since you said don't bother, I won't.
>  
> Yuop, those Belling/Blackmore/Whoever hands are waving and brushing
>  away stuff that gets in the way of his belief system. 
>  
Look who's talking about belief systems!!

>  >  I am only interested in facts, and not interpretations.
>  
>  This quite a hoot from someone who hardly posts any -- facts.

I post them all the time.  you just find them uncomfortable, that's all.

>  This is from someone who posts mostly unsubstiated opinions, er,
>  interpretations.

I never stated that my opinions were facts.  I just use what I believe to be
logic and common sense.  I don't try to convert anyone.  People are free
to think for themselves.

s can be seen from reading the Von Hassell diaries.
>  
>  What page?

I will post it Friday.
>  
>  >By the way, someone told me that you are using a pseudonym-is this true?

. Why do you care
>  about this considering your history?

I don't. Just asking.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>



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>   karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  >It must be clearly understood that the entire Holocaust-gassing myths
>  > stands and falls with the "confession" of Rudolf Hoess, one-time
>  > commandant of Auschwitz - an Allied prisoner who was sadistically
>  > tortured. 
>  
>  I'm sure you would *like* that to be "clearly understood". That is,
>  however, utter bullshit.
>  
>>>>
Right.  Like you are some kind of demi-god sent here to pontificate
for the rest of us.


From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct  4 17:24:26 PDT 1996
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>   karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  >Here is another telling vignette, as recounted by American author
>  > Marguerite Higgins visited Germany following the war and later wrote
>  > of her experiences in "News Is a Singular Thing". 
>  
>  [...]
>  
>  >What follows is a series of reports concerning the treatment Waffen SS soldiers
>  > received at the hands of the Allies. All documentation is taken from the
>  > book "Alliierte Kriegsverbrechen und Verbrechen gegen die Menschlichkeit." 
>  
>  So you have found a total of two rather vaguely cited documentary
>  sources claiming Allied mistreatment of German prisoners. I could
>  list thousands of documentary sources for Germans' genocideal
>  mistreatment of Jews and Gypsies. I would think that you would
>  want to establish the bona fides of Marguerite Higgins and whoever
>  put together "Alliierte Kriegsverbrechen...".
>  
>  >How absurd and ignorant it is for Nizkor to claims that confession
>  > were never extracted from the Germans by coercion or torture!
>  
>  Pardon me, but has Nizkor ever made such a claim? I think you're
>  confusing the request that any such claims be decently documented
>  with the sort of blanket denial which is on its face ridiculous.
>  
>  And finally, what has all this got to do with Hoess? Your biggest
>  complaint about Nurnberg seems to be the American flags. Did this
>  constitute torture?
>  
>>>>
Read again, wizard.  BYW, more is on the way.


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52vjbc$brf@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com3 Oct 1996
>  05:35:40 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>>  
>  :>>  I don't think anyone is "complaining." I think they are pointing out
>  :>>  your silly attempts at denial. BTW, no one here is against true
>  :>>  historical revisionism.
>  :>
>  :>
>  :>That is the biggest and best laugh I have had all year!
>  
>  If that is the biggest laugh you have had all year, I strongly urge you to
>  replenish your laugh supply.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
I will.  Next time I read one of your posts.


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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On 3 Oct 1996 05:35:40 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  #
>  #
>  #>  
>  #>  I don't think anyone is "complaining." I think they are pointing out
>  #>  your silly attempts at denial. BTW, no one here is against true
>  #>  historical revisionism.
>  #
>  #
>  #That is the biggest and best laugh I have had all year!
>  
>  Start reading your own posts. They'll give you a good bell laugh too.
>  
>  
>>>>
Yeh, they do-especially when I read your replies.


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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   
>  >
>  >>  
>  >>  I don't know how to break this to you, Mr. Blackmore, but simply filling a
>  >>  line with a series of question marks and exclamation points is hardly a
>  >>  rebuttal.
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>  --
>  >>  Gord McFee
>  >>  I'll write no line before its time
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >That constutues my rebuttal in this case.  Let others be the judge of Ehrenburg's
>  >comments.
>  
>  
>  Rebuttle to what case? The Streicher stuff? Don't be an idiot.
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
What are you talking about?


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>

>  
>  >  Do it-you will make this doubting Thomas a believer.
>  
>  There is no way to make you at true believer. Frankly, I don't care if
>  you are a true believer about anything. Making you such is not why
>  anyone is here.

I knew you would cop out with this lame excuse.  Typical.
>  
>  Also a concern about the beliefs systems of someone who hides behid
>  false names is not high on my priorities at present.

Atsa nice.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>



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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  
>  >  >  	Then why have you failed to deal with the facts contained therein?
>  
>  >  I am dealing with the information contained therein, as well as other sources-
>  >  are you?
>  
>  	Don't be silly.  The book contradicts every one of cherished ideas about 
>  Kramer.  You have claimed that his intention was to treat the prisoners humanely.  The 
>  information Segev presents makes a very convincing case that Kramer -- and the other 
>  commandants of the concentration camps -- were indoctrinated and ordered to treat the 
>  prisoners as sub-human.
>  
>  	Deal with it, sonny boy.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Correction:  Don't refer  me to a secondary source.


From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct  4 17:24:30 PDT 1996
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>   Brian Harmon  writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

, the blowers in the undressing room were more powerful than the ventilators
>  > in the alleged "gas chamber".  
>  
>  Says who?

It's a fact.
>  
>  > It should have been the other way around.
>  
>  Why?

Zyklon is lighter than air.
>    Why should i have to prove TO YOU that every document 
>  historians use is genuine?

You don't.
>   >
 What are these "special actions"?
>  
>  Sonderaktions = Gassing.

Your interpretation.
>  
>  This isn't the only place the term 'special action turned up,
>  Dr. Kremer also wrote about them in his diary:

I have read this.  I have the book "Auschwitz in the eyes of the SS".
> 
>  
.  They don't
>     call Auschwitz the extermination camp for nothing!

German for the above, please, if possible.
> Kremer also testified about his diary, and confirmed that
>  "Sonderaktion" means gassing.

Do you happen to know when and where?
>  
>   Letter from SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Bischoff, of the Auschwitz construction

.  I provide cited documents in answer to 
>  some of your claims, and your response is to bombard
>  me with demands to prove their authenticity.

I feel it is a pertinent request.  why do you think it isn't?

you tell your challengers to 'read the testimony'.

I wish I had the testimony from Kramer's trial, as well as Artur Liebehenschel's.
Both are unavailable in German and English.

 I believe you have your dates wrong.  The Typhus epidemic
>  was in 1942, i believe.  Kremer wrote about it in his diary.

You believe?  Also, you did not state what happened to Jahrling.  Do you know?
>  
>   

rb


From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct  4 17:24:31 PDT 1996
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  
>  >  >  	Then why have you failed to deal with the facts contained therein?
>  
>  >  I am dealing with the information contained therein, as well as other sources-
>  >  are you?
>  
>  	Don't be silly.  The book contradicts every one of cherished ideas about 
>  Kramer.  You have claimed that his intention was to treat the prisoners humanely.  The 
>  information Segev presents makes a very convincing case that Kramer -- and the other 
>  commandants of the concentration camps -- were indoctrinated and ordered to treat the 
>  prisoners as sub-human.
>  
>  	Deal with it, sonny boy.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Don't quote me a secondary case, counselor.


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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
t the use of torture, threat, bribery,
>  >intimidation, etc., was the RULE rather than the exception.

  And you claim it without substantiation. Rather convenient.

I will get to posting it all in time.
>  
>  >>  
>  >>      In particular, you need to deal with the postwar trials conducted by
>  >>  the West German government.
>  >
>  >I will gladly do so at a future date.  Each item in it's turn.
>  
>  

Yessuh massah, i's gwine git rit to it.
  Even harder to deal with are testimonies such as that given by
>  >>  Treblinka guard Franz Suchomel in the documentary "Shoah."  Please tell me
>  >>  what torture he was subjected to. 
>  >
>  >I never claimed he was tortured.  
>  >
>    Well there's one exception to your rule. How many more may we find?

How many more will I find to contradict you?

 Right now, I prefer to deal with this case.
>  >
>  
>  This is what case?

Hoess.
>  
>  
>  
>>>>



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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>
 I did not imply that you are in communication with anyone.  For all you know,
>  I was talking about Ernie from Sesame Street and Greg Nettles of the NY
>  Yankees.  Guilty conscience?

Huh?  WERE you talking of Greg Nettles and Ernie from Sesame street?
>    
>  :>>  :>(Rauschning's lies and fabrications snipped)
>  :>>  
>  :>>  My ass.
>  :>

    You embarrassed only yourself by attempting to discredit a source by simply
>  saying you discredit the source. 

Nope.  Gave you a source.  Posted it earlier as well. 

  As I said, Mr. Blackmore, you have a double
>  :>>  standard that gets more and more transparent every day.

Whatever you say, Gordie.

  It is indeed a double standard.  You blabber, everyone else is expected to
>  research.

If you had done all your research in the first place, before making accusations
I wouldn't need to ask.
>  
> since I lack the essential qualities of
>  "revisionists", i.e. dishonesty and cowardice.

Thanks for your opinion of yourself.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>




From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct  5 08:54:20 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 'kurtzi' stele, the Untermench (Re: Jewish Al
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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On 4 Oct 1996 09:59:16 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  
>  >>  Oh yes. I forgot. I wasn'r answering for you, Jellybelly. I was replying to
>  >>  Mark. His was such a good post catching you dead-to-rights in an outright
>  >>  lie and I was merely commenting that I was unsurprised.
>  
>  >>  Now tell us what this lie is that I propound daily.
>  
>  >Let's see, first it was "Schwarzmehr", then "Herr Schwarzesel", now "Jellybelly",
>  >as in "Jellyroll Morton"?  i think I like that one the best.
>  
>  Well, of course it wasn't I who called you Schwarzmehr or Herr Scwarzesal.
>  Nor is Jellybelly original to me. I did like it though.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Me, too.  Shall we settle on using that one in the future?


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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  >>
>  >
>  >>  
>  >>  Oh yes. I forgot. I wasn'r answering for you, Jellybelly. I was replying to
>  >>  Mark. His was such a good post catching you dead-to-rights in an outright
>  >>  lie and I was merely commenting that I was unsurprised.
>  >>  
>  >>  Now tell us what this lie is that I propound daily.
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >Let's see, first it was "Schwarzmehr", then "Herr Schwarzesel", now "Jellybelly",
>  >as in "Jellyroll Morton"?  i think I like that one the best.
>  
>  I'm sure no one cares.
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Then why did you bring it up?


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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On 4 Oct 1996 09:56:50 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  >>  On 3 Oct 1996 07:33:41 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>  And just what is the lie that I 'propound daily,' Herr Belling?
>  
>  >You are "living" a lie.
>  
>  And what would that be, Herr Belling?
>  
>  
>>>>
Look in the mirror.


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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On 4 Oct 1996 13:03:04 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  >>
>  >.
>  >>  
>  >>  In his short sojourn in alt.revisionism Herr Belling has shown a marked
>  >>  proclivity for wallowing in the mire with the rest of the deniers and
>  >>  accepting unsubstantiated secondary sources and his 'opinion' as being of
>  >>  more value than documentary evidence and first-hand accounts.
>  
>  >At any rate, the documents you have posted do not add up to millions.
>  >Try again.  Check out a few "first hand accounts" in my posts, "Soviet
>  >Def Comedy Jam" Parts 1-5.
>  
>  And nobody claims that the figures in these reports will add up to
>  'millions,' Herr Belling.
>  
>  And, I have on;y posted two reports so far. We'll get to the rest.
>  
>  No, as for the number of posts you have been making lately, I can only
>  conclude that you have become little more than a troll.  You have begun to
>  rival Giwer for sheer volume without content. I guess you shot all your
>  bullets and are out of ammo now.

On the contrary, as you shall soon see.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>



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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  rblackmore writes:

>  
>  >No, you haven't done that to my satisfaction.  However, Ms. Alpert
>  >sent me what I requested.  you ought to try and act more like a lady,
>  >people might respect you more
.
>  
>  Nothing is ever done to your satisfaction, Herr Belling, and I couldn't be
>  bothered to do so since you have become little more than a troll.


Always an excuse for a disinclination to assist  researchers with contrary opinions, Ken. 
>  
>  Perhaps Annie has more patience with you kind. She has been hard at work
>  pointing out the idiocy of deniers for quite a while now.

What is your exact defintion of a denier, Ken?
>  
>

>  
>>>>



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>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >First of all, the Einsatzgruppen commanders DID say that many of their
>  >reports and figures were exaggerated.  Secondly, German officers
>  >and soldiers WERE tortured.  Uncomfortable for you to have to admit,
>  >but true nonetheless.
>  
>  Source?
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Green Book, IMT, I believe, but don't beat me over the head with it if it
doesn't pan out.  I will try and get an exact quote ASAP.


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>   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>  In article <532m3n$p12@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote
>  > 
>  >
>>>>>  First, since this time you have bothered to provide a reference, I will
>  need to obtain a copy of the magazine to confirm the veracity of your
>  claims.

Where do you want me to send it to you?
 Be sure to get back to us after you set them straight.
>  
rb



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>   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
> there is no
>  evidence that the ventilatirs were ever installed in the undressing
>  room. Read Pressac's essay in the _Anatomy_.

I will.  Thanks for the reference.  However, this doesn't mean that they
weren't installed either.  We are deadlocked.
>
>  >Zyklon is lighter than air.
>  
>  Get Richard Green or Brian Harmon to explain turbulent diffusion of
>  gases to you.

I don't need elaborate explanations on diffusion, but thank you anyway.
Zyklon is lighter than air.  All these elaborate attempts at explaining rather
simple processes do not bode well for your side.
>  

>  >  >Your interpretation.
>  
 the interpretation of every historian who has studied the
>  question

Even if this were true, it does not make their interpretations correct.  the actual forensic
evidence will have to be examined in full detail.

 I recommend Pierre Vidal-Naquet's essay in _Assassins of
>  Memory_


I have the book.  I will try to read it when I get the time.  I am reading at least
4 different books right now.  However, I am perfectly capable of interpreting
German for myself.  I am fluent.  I also acknowledge that many "revisionists'
often miss the mark, but so do the non-revisionists.  I think that it depends on
the individual.
>  
>  >>  
>  >>  This isn't the only place the term 'special action turned up,
>  >>  Dr. Kremer also wrote about them in his diary:
>  >
>  >I have read this.  I have the book "Auschwitz in the eyes of the SS".
>  
>  Did you notice how Kremer never uses the term in respect of anything
>  but killing, never in respect of disinfestations of lice using Zyklon
>  B?

Well, where does he mention killing specifically?
>  
>  [snip] I believe you have your dates wrong.  The Typhus epidemic
>  >>  was in 1942, i believe.  Kremer wrote about it in his diary.
>  >
>  >You believe?  Also, you did not state what happened to Jahrling.  Do you know?
>  
. Van Pelt is somewhat better on crematory planning
>  than Pressac in his article also in the _Anatomy_ collection.

I will read this.  As to the other info you posted, the Auschwitz death books
indicated that between late 1941-1944 70,000 people died in the camp.  Now,
were the facilities for Krema I capable of dealing with this vast number in the
time period allotted? I will try and research the Auschwitz chronicle for the 
various times of the epidemics.  This has not been explained in depth.  However,
as I mentioned before, i am unprepared to discuss the Auschwitz allegations in
depth at this point in time.  Your arguments as stated above were interesting,
however.
>  
>  Apropos of a thread I have now lost: Kammler's fate is not positively
>  known. Reitlinger tentatively lists him in his appendix as killed in
>  combat defending Berlin at the end of the war.

well, he is useless as a witness then.
>  
>
rb


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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  >  >  	Perhaps defense counsel didn't pursue it becasue he knew that he 
>  was 
>  >  >  going to beaten over the head with it.
>  
>  >  You're guessing.....By the way-water wasn't "restored", it was brought in by 
>  British 
>  >  field trucks from their field units.
>  
>  	No.  I'm making a logical deduction from known facts.  In this case 
>  the known facts include the art of cross examination.
>  
>  	The water came from somewhere.  Even if it was in trucks.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
OK.  Great.  But it did not come from the river.  it came as part of the regular field
supplies issued to the Brish army.  So, Kramer did not get the water from the river, he got 
it from the British.


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>   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  [snip]
>  
>  >First of all, the Einsatzgruppen commanders DID say that many of their
>  >reports and figures were exaggerated.
>  
>  Good point. Now why do you suppose the folks back in Berlin would
>  impressed by exaggerated body counts of Jews shot by the
>  Einsatzgruppen?

who was talking about the Jews here?  I think they merely wanted to impress 
their superiors with the "good" job they were doing by fighting against the partisans.
The Nazis wrongly believed that Jews were the motivating force behind communism,
consequently in their eyes, when Jews were caught who were either commissars or 
partisans, this confirmed their suspicions.
>  
>  >                                         Secondly, German officers
>  >and soldiers WERE tortured.  Uncomfortable for you to have to admit,
>  >but true nonetheless.
>  
>  I am not uncomfortable admitting it. But I am uncomfortable with the
>  claim that every single inconvenient confession or testimony was


OK.  Then you will also not be uncomnfortable when I say that I never said torture
was used in every single case.  Inconveniency has nothing to do with it.

>  obtained by torture especially when men who were no longer in danger
>  of legal sanctions failed to recant their testimony or to complain
>  that they were tortured.
>  
>  I know, I know. You'll get around to posting. . . .

I just did, didn't I?  By the way, how fast could you post if you answer dozens of
demands for evidence every day?  I am not the Wiesenthal Center, where I can hire
a staff to do my work for me.  If that was the case, you people would really be in a 
jam.  Your unjust and barbed comments do you no credit.

rb
>  
>  --
>





>  
>>>>



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0400 "Michael P. Stein"  writes:
>    What _I_ smell is rotten logic.

Your nose may not be deceiving you here, at least in regard to Topf.  I apparently  just
convicted myself of the old "assume" saying:  "Assume" may have made an ass out of me,
not you.   I was under the impression that Topf committed suicide while in the custody of
interrogators.  The text in anatomy of the ADC is not very specific about the details.
 At any rate, the cirumstances surrounding his
suicide still need to be researched.  Perhaps you might be able to assist?
>
.  I would think that if Topf was "suicided," as you insinuate,
>Pruefer would have recieved similar treatment.

Could be.  The answer might also lie elsewhere.
>
>    Why do you think their fates were so different?

It needs to be researched.  I don't like sticking my foot in my mouth.  It leaves an
unpleasant taste afterwards.  I wish I knew of a source or sources which discussed these
two men more in depth.  I don't want to step out on a limb any farther than I already have. 
I might fall down and go boom..and all the king's horses and all the king's men won't be
able to put Humpty Dumpty back together again......
>

 Americans "failed" to understand Topf's "role"

>    Excuse me, but they left Pruefer's loose lips running around.  You
>really don't see the inconsistency in your position??????

Indeed, there may be a inconsistency here or there may not be.  Anatomy states that the
fate of Pruefer is unknown.
>
>
>>5.  Next we are told that Wolfgang Topf and Pruefer "apparently"
>>destroyed all contracts with the SS

>    Lots of insinuation, no evidence.  We do have the letter from Topf 
>to
>the SS, talking about cyanide gas detectors for the Kremas.  Not their
>normal line of business.  Rather strange.

It is strange, but could be explained if delousing was being carried on in the same facility. 
Why would the SS apprise Topf company of the fact that they intended to
murder innocent human beings?  That is strange as well.
>

  How curious that Erdmann 
>escaped
>>internment because he was a member of a communist union.
>
>    Unjust, maybe, but hardly curious.

I don't know whether it is unjust or curious or curiously unjust.
>
>
>>Also, the early
>>release dates for the other two captives simply proves that the whole
>>arrest and trial of the other two gentleman was a complete FARCE, and 
>was
>>prompted by base political motives.
>
>    It does?  How, praytell, did you reach that conclusion? 

The Soviets were known for their extremely hard line concerning German
"war criminals".  It is quite revealing that this man was released before serving his whole
sentence.  In any event, I believe it was unjust for this person to serve ANY time in prison,
as the SS would not have taken him in their confidence...betraying to him Himmler's little
"secret" to murder millions of human beings, even when it was kept from people like
Gluecks.  it doesn't make sense, Mike. At least not to me.
>
>
>>Notice that the "evil" Braun was released in 1955!  No one knows what
>>finally happened to Pruefer...

>
>    Why no show trial for Pruefer, then?

This is a good question, but Anatomy states that the fate of Pruefer is unknown.
>
>
>>7.  The man Bischoff, as we are told, led a QUIET LIFE UNTIL 1950!  

 

 BTW, Rauff seems to 
>have
>acknowledged as genuine in his 1972 deposition in Chile).


Why do you say "seems"?  Do you have this depostion or know what  happened to him? 
It is a fact that the Soviets did quite a bit of manufacturing of evidence.  I can't say why
they were being selective.  Care to take a trip to Moscow to dig in those archives?

 In the next
>breath you tell us that those honest, upstanding Soviets did nothing 
>to
>prosecute or help prosecute Bischoff because they had no evidence and 
>they
>knew it. 

The article doesn't say whether Bischoff died in the Soviet or the American zone...do you
know? Also, please slow down.  Can we discuss Becker and rauff later, please?
>
>    Why didn't they just manufacture some, as we are told they did for
>Demjanjuk? 
>
>    You _really_ _don't_ see how you contradict yourself?

First, we need to know where Bischoff died.  Also, he died quite early-1950.
>
  What, do you suppose they had a show trial victim quota, which
>they used up before they got to Pruefer?

Difficult to say.  God and the Soviet Union work in strange ways.
>
>    Let me give you what I think is a much more promising line of
>investigation.  Find out which side of the border each man lived on, 
>and
>who held the evidence.


This is in line with what I wrote above.  I agree with this.
>
>    If Bischoff lived on the west side of the line, and the file copy 
>of
>the memo to Kammler was languishing in the files in Auschwitz, the
>nonprosecution would much more likely be because the people in the 
>West
>didn't even have _access_ to the incriminating document, not that they
>knew about it but secretly knew that it wasn't really incriminating.

This is all hypothetical, but could be a valid interpretation.
>
>
>>9.  The trial in Vienna in January 1972 ended in the release and
>>vindication of both.  How interesting..... 

 Van Pelt had some interesting things to say about the
>trial as well, namely that the prosecution did not know how to read 
>the
>plans through their design changes.  I'm not sure I'd go so far as to 
>say
>"vindication,"  unless you think O. J. Simpson has also been
>vindicated.... 

No, I think Simpson was guilty based on the evidence.  forensic evidence, which should
have been utilized to examine the allegations of death by gassing during the war.  As far as
the 1972 case, I believe it is stretching things a bit to insinuate that the prosecutor didn't
know how to read a blueprint. Also, I think one of the central issues involved here is
whether these 2 men knew that designs were being made for lethal gas chambers.  The
verdcit was not guilty.  The difference between these 2 cases was our ability to watch and
listen in on the Simpson trial everyday, and then see for ourselves the overwhelming
evidence produced by the prosecution.  we do not have the benefit of that luxury in the
other trials. I wish we did.  It might settle many unresolved questions.
>
>
  By the way, what DID happen to
>>Kammler? 
>
>    At the moment, I don't know.  Which side of the border did 
>Bischoff
>live his "quiet life" on? 

I have asked this question as well.
>
>    Posted/emailed.
>


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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>  
>  >In article <3253e520.2591954@news.spry.com>, 
>  >klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:
>  >
>  >>On 3 Oct 1996 09:57:03 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  >
>  >>>First prove that these are authentic Reports.
>  >
>  >>I've already done that Herr Belling. Do try to keep up with the newsgroup.
>  >
>  >>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/the-einsatzgruppen-reports
>  >
>  >There is no need to prove this - after all, if Mr. Blackmore
>  >wishes to assert that the documents are not authentic, it is
>  >then up to him to prove his assertion. He cannot do so, of
>  >course, so the discussion has ended.
>  >
>  >Mr. Blackmore is, if nothing else, a simple troll. If he has a
>  >problem with the reports, let him prove they are not
>  >authentic. Until he does, forget his personal problem with
>  >them - it is meaningless.
>  >
>  
>  Exactly. Some lurkers may wonder why some of us ask for their sources.
>  Most lurkers will note that they rarely have them. When these people
>  do present them they are rarely of much value or are distortions.
>  
>  >-- 
>  >Nizkor Canada          | http://www.nizkor.org
>  >-----------------------| Prince Myshkin's Troll Bait Sold Here
>  >                       |--------------------------------------
>  >     http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/random-giwer-lie.cgi
>  
>  
>>>>
I will refer the reader to my many posts both here and at Dejanews.  THEY can
decide whether I have met the burden of proof or not.


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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>
:
>

>  >  Even harder to deal with are testimonies such as that given by
>  >>  >>  Treblinka guard Franz Suchomel in the documentary "Shoah."  Please tell me
>  >>  >>  what torture he was subjected to. 
>  >>  >
>  >>  >I never claimed he was tortured.  
>  >>  >
>  >>    Well there's one exception to your rule. How many more may we find?
>  >
>  >How many more will I find to contradict you?
>  >
>  > Right now, I prefer to deal with this case.
>  >>  >
>  >>  
>  >>  This is what case?
>  >
>  >Hoess.
>  
>  Lot's of luck. So far you have failed miserably. Simply my opinion, of
>  course.  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
You are entitled to your opinion, of course.


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>   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  [snip]
>  
>  >First of all, the Einsatzgruppen commanders DID say that many of their
>  >reports and figures were exaggerated.
>  
>  Good point. Now why do you suppose the folks back in Berlin would
>  impressed by exaggerated body counts of Jews shot by the
>  Einsatzgruppen?

who was talking about the Jews here?  I think they merely wanted to impress 
their superiors with the "good" job they were doing by fighting against the partisans.
The Nazis wrongly believed that Jews were the motivating force behind communism,
consequently in their eyes, when Jews were caught who were either commissars or 
partisans, this confirmed their suspicions.
>  
>  >                                         Secondly, German officers
>  >and soldiers WERE tortured.  Uncomfortable for you to have to admit,
>  >but true nonetheless.
>  
>  I am not uncomfortable admitting it. But I am uncomfortable with the
>  claim that every single inconvenient confession or testimony was


OK.  Then you will also not be uncomnfortable when I say that I never said torture
was used in every single case.  Inconveniency has nothing to do with it.

>  obtained by torture especially when men who were no longer in danger
>  of legal sanctions failed to recant their testimony or to complain
>  that they were tortured.
>  
>  I know, I know. You'll get around to posting. . . .

I just did, didn't I?  By the way, how fast could you post if you answer dozens of
demands for evidence every day?  I am not the Wiesenthal Center, where I can hire
a staff to do my work for me.  If that was the case, you people would really be in a 
jam.  Your unjust and barbed comments do you no credit.

rb
>  
>  --
>





>  
>>>>



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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >Get thee behind Danny Keren, Satan, and do what you do best.....be sure
>  >to gargle afterwards. 
>  >
>  
>  Is this another example of your taking the high road, Mr.
>  Belling/Blackmore/Whoever?
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Why don't you review some of the comments made in your own posts, as well
as Ken Lewis, McFee, and Van Alstine, and then come back here with your holier
than thou attitude.  


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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>
>  >
>  >>  
>  >>  >  Do it-you will make this doubting Thomas a believer.
>  >>  
>  >>  There is no way to make you at true believer. Frankly, I don't care if
>  >>  you are a true believer about anything. Making you such is not why
>  >>  anyone is here.
>  >
>  >I knew you would cop out with this lame excuse.  Typical.
>  
>  Excuse? It's fac' Jack! You are not very important to the swing of
>  things here. Isn't that terrible to be so unimportant. 
>  
>  >>  
>  >>  Also a concern about the beliefs systems of someone who hides behid
>  >>  false names is not high on my priorities at present.
>  >
>  >Atsa nice.
>  
>  I'm always a straight shooter and almost always right. :-)
>  
>  So, it is nice.
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Keep patting yourself on the back.  Some day you will burp.


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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >>  >  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >>  
>  >>  >  >  	Then why have you failed to deal with the facts contained therein?
>  >>  
>  >>  >  I am dealing with the information contained therein, as well as other sources-
>  >>  >  are you?
>  >>  
>  >>  	Don't be silly.  The book contradicts every one of cherished ideas about 
>  >>  Kramer.  You have claimed that his intention was to treat the prisoners humanely.  The 
>  >>  information Segev presents makes a very convincing case that Kramer -- and the other 
>  >>  commandants of the concentration camps -- were indoctrinated and ordered to treat the 
>  >>  prisoners as sub-human.
>  >>  
>  >>  	Deal with it, sonny boy.
>  >>  
>  >>  	--YFE
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >Correction:  Don't refer  me to a secondary source.
>  
>  Then check the footnotes to the secondary source Mr.
>  Belling/Blackmore/Whoever. Don't just try to wriggle out by ignoring a
>  presentation. You have your chance now to catch old Yale off guard by
>  looking at his secondary source's sources. I think you prefer to
>  cop-out, however.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
I have already caught him off guard in other posts.  This isn't a life goal of mine-
simply to catch Mr. Edeikin off guard.  I am often criticized by you people for 
resorting to "secondary sources"--and you are one of the people most guilty
of continuously pointing that out to me.  Who has the double standard here,
Mr. Curtis?


From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct  5 08:54:32 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Holocaust researchism
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>   pgroff@txdirect.net (pgroff) writes:
>  On 3 Oct 1996 06:37:19 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   pgroff@txdirect.net (pgroff) writes:
>  >>  On 2 Oct 1996 08:03:13 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  >>  (Moran snipped)
>  >>  >>Seems like you are now learning the "tricks of the trade".  It is a known
>  >>  >fact that magicians NEVER want to publicize their little secrets.  This is
>  >>  >one game of 3 card monty that they are bound to lose.
>  >>  It would seem there rblackmore/belling, that with just one more ID you
>  >>  could be playing 3 card monte, but as it is now, you are playing tag
>  >>  team with yourself. I would assume that some how this has added a
>  >>  great deal of integrity and honesty to your post. "Tricks of the
>  >>  trade." Yes it would seem that you quite capable of learning the Carto
>  >>  Two step.
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >Do I know you?
>  I doubt that you know me, though your other persona has tried to
>  engage me in E-mail discussion, which of course I am not about to do.
>  But again, do I know you?? No, I just know how much you like to dance
>  the Carto two step
>  
>>>>
If I do, it's to YOUR music.


From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct  5 08:54:33 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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>   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  [snip]
>  
>  >It is also curious that the Nazis should rush to construct a lethal gas
>  >chamber at Dachau in 1944.  Seems as though they just couldn't wait 
>  >for those allied cameramen to arrive......"I'm ready for my close-up, Mr. DeMille."
>  
>  It is rather telling that our great Holocaust researcher, rblackmore,
>  fails to recognize that Moran's account does not match the standard
>  narrative history. For instance, no one but Moran has claimed that
>  gassing at Auschwitz was stopped four or five months before the camp
>  was captured by the Soviets.
>  
>  It is also rather telling that rblackmore is so keen to show that
>  there was no Holocaust that he is prepared to ally himslef with Matt
>  Giwer, a witting liar, and Tom Moran, a witless liar.
>  
>  --
>   John Morris                               
>   at University of Alberta     
>  -- 
>  The Nizkor Project     | http://www.nizkor.org/
>  
>>>>
You are reading things into the picture which simply are not there.
When do you think the gassings at Auschwitz stopped, Mr. Morris?


From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct  5 08:54:33 PDT 1996
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>   schwartz@infinet.com writes:
>  In article <52vl5h$f8k@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  > Can we now discuss the priests and nuns murdered in the Soviet Union
>  > and in Spain during the civil war?
>   
>  Oh, LETS discuss the Spanish Civil War, since it was a "practise-session"
>  for the Germans and the Italians, who supplied the Spanish fascists with
>  much of their money and weaponry.
>   

>  
>  -- 
>  "I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy."
>                   Samuel Butler
>  
>  
>>>>
>  Much of the horrors of the Spanich Civil War were just the prelude to the
>  horrors of the Nazi war machine.
>   
>  But, gee... since I'm only a relative of a member of the Abraham Lincoln
>  Brigade, I probably don't know what I'm talking about, right Mr.
>  Blackmore/Belling? 
>  
>  Sara

OK...How about this:

>From  the Illustrated London News 1936:

Caption to Photograph:  

"Left-wing extremists near Madrid giving their clenched fist salute
after burning of convent property:   An example of the anti-catholic
feeling which has inspired the burning of many churches and convents throughout
the country.

Caption to another photo showing a burning Catholic church (Similar to the
photos the world has so often seen of burning Synagogues in Germany 2
years later):

"The spires of the Church of San Luis blazing fiercely in the night:  A building
siuated in the center of Madrid, close to the Puerta del Sol and the Ministry of
the Interior."

Quoting further:

"Serious disturbances throughout almost the whole of Spain followed the victory
of the left in the recent elections.  At first the riots were mainly caused by left-
wing supporters excitingly clebrating their victory; but later the extremists turned 
against the new Prime Minister, Senor Azana, and indulged in an orgy of anti-
Catholic and anti-Fascist outrages......As these photos show, the typical form
of outrage was incendiarism.  More than twenty churches were damaged or
destroyed by fire, and conventsm schools, and newspaper buildings have also
suffered.  A number of people were killed. "

End of quotes.

A prelude to "Krystal Nacht, only by the Left?"
Will you boast about your relatives being a part of this?

"I don't mind inaccuracy, but I can't stand liars."
:





From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct  5 08:54:34 PDT 1996
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>   mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>  In article <52vp9q$gs4@juliana.sprynet.com>,   wrote:
>  >>   mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>  

>      That's nice, but the critical issue here is not Morgen and Goeth, but
>  your smear that "NO group of people paraphrase and quote out of context
>  more than supporters of the Holocaust."  I showed how "revisionist" 
>  Michael Hoffman misrepresented his source.  Perhaps you would care to
>  address _that_ issue?

We have since discussed this via e-mail and I think that it may be fair to say that
both sides have been guilty of paraphrasing etc. I wish it wasn't so, but thems the 
facts.


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>   mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:
> 

>  
>      The entire article from which the above was drawn may be found at:
>  
>  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/i/irving.david/dawidowicz/
>  dawidowicz-on-irving
>  
>      Posted/emailed.
>  -- 
>  Mike Stein			The above represents the Absolute Truth.
>  POB 10420			Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
>  Arlington, VA  22210		position of my employer.
>  
>>>>
Yes, this is an oft quoted citation.  However, there a few problems with it, as we
have discussed recently by e-mail.  If we had access to the
 whole communication, and if we were able to trace the destination of the
 deportees, and who received them and where, it would help to 
clarify the whole matter.  As it is, we do not even know what happened 
to the man referred to as a relative of Molotov.


From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct  5 08:54:35 PDT 1996
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>   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>  
 But I am still unsure as to how it will PROVE your
>  > >  claim that the Discovery Channel is knowingly misleading the public.
>  
>  > Watch the program and listen to what the moderator claims, then get back to
>  > me. Any conversation in between is worthless.
>  
>  Given that your only answer thus far has been to avoid the questions, I
>  would agree that conversation with you is worthless. I do hold out hope,
>  however, that eventually you will own up to the fact that you are lying
>  when you make the ludicrous claim that you have made regarding the
>  Discovery Channel.

You know, you would be more convincing if you researched the information I
gave you a dozen times over rather than using name calling all the time.
>  
>  I don't know what the moderator will claim, as I have yet to obtain a copy
>  of the program,

When you do, then discuss it like a gentleman.  It is hardly fair or honorable
for you to be referring to me as a liar when even you admit that you have
not seen the documentary in question.

 and you thus far have refused to provide a complete quote,
>  in context, even though you claimed to have the program on videotape.

Let me explain the problem with that. While I do indeed have the tape somewhere,
I own about 600 tapes.  Unfortunately they are not all labelled.  Besides that, they
are stored in various facilities to which I do not have easy access.  That is why
I suggest you contact the Discovery Channel.  Of course, even if I were to 
find the tape tomorrow and supply you with the quote, you would simply react
as you normally do and call me a liar, and then say you will have to view it
for yourself, even though you will give me no address where I can have it sent to
you, as you did today when I referred you to the editors of World War II magazine.

 In
>  any event, I wonder how it will prove that the Discovery Channel is
>  deliberately misleading the public, as you have claimed.

Now here you are misrepresenting again.  I sent you an explanation that the choice of
words was rash.  So, for you to keep referring to it rather than the subsequent
explanation is rather dishonest.  I told you that if it wasn't deliberate, then it was
surely irresponsible.  Now, do you remember that I told you that or not?
In your opinion, am I entitled to make a mistake or not?
>  
>  > >  First, it was not a distortion. You did make the claim:
>  
>  Deleting the quote won't make it go away.
>  
>  You made the following claim:
>  
>  "Do you admit then, that the program directors of the Discovery Channel
>  are deliberately misleading the public?"
>  
>  Of course, you had absolutely no proof regarding this claim. When
>  confronted with the FACT that you made a completely unfounded accusation,
>  you said:
>  
>  "Whether the Discovery Channel did this deliberately or not remains to be
>  seen. I have the programs in question on video tape and intend to look for
>  the names of the editors responsible for the narration."
>  
>  > >  This is not a retraction of a clearly false statement made by you

You may call it a retraction if you wish.  I cannot prevent you, but the meaning
of my words   are clear.  I do intend to view the names of those responsible for
this inaccurate reporting when I locate the tape.  If you follow through with the
Discovery Channel, perhaps you may come up with the information before I do.
>  
>  Again, your unattributed deletion demonstrates your dishonesty.
>  
>  This is what was I had written:
>  
>  This is not a retraction of a clearly false statement made by you. It is,
>  however, an admission that you make claims without the benefit of any
>  evidence whatsoever.

I saw the documentary.  I heard the false figures with my own ears.  You, on the
other hand, admit to not having seen it, and then call me a liar.  ?? Very curious
behavior.  There is evidence.  i didn't make it up, and I have directed you to
the original source. 

 Since you have absolutely NO PROOF, you should either
>  admit your error and retract the statement,

I will not admit nor retract because it is the truth.

 It is not a false statement, but it could have been worded a bit 
>  > differently, which is why I sent you the additional statement to clarify. 
>  > THAT statement is valid and I have no reason to change it.
>  
>  Of course, you had no reason (ie. evidence, proof, rational ground) to
>  make it. Your 'clarification' merely demonstrates that you aren't
>  interested in truth -

Well, that's an odd statement to make....

 only in making deliberately inflamatory statements

It seems to me that the inflammatory statement consists of accusing
the Germans of murdering 4.5 million people at Auschwitz.  what a 
strange man you seem to be!


That
>  said, it still doesn';t answer the question as to why you posted as at
>  least two people, possibly three. Pulling a h*ber, were you ?

Nope.  Did you ever stop to think that more than one person uses this computer?
>  
>  > Neither did I see you admit YOUR error in attributing something to me falsely.
>  
>  I do not recall having done such a thing. If I have, then show me the
>  article reference in Deja-News, and I will apologize.

It isn't that important.  I don't hold grudges.

 It is about forcing you to move beyond your
>  obvious bias and recognize the FACT of the Holocaust

What is your definition of the Holocaust, and I will tell you if I agree with it.

 It is about forcing
>  you to stop desecrating the memory of more than six million people, who
>  died

Not proven to my satisfaction, nor to many other people's.

 for no other reason then that they were the victims in some impotent
>  madman's desire to show the world his flaccid manhood.

I wouldn't know about his flaccid manhood, nor do I care.
>  
>  I notice that again, you have dishonestly deleted text. So I'll repost it
>  for you.

No.  For the record, I must delete portions of text or else my server will not post
it.  
>  
>  You made the following claim:
>  
. 
OK.  I will answer, but you won't like it.  To the first part of the statement:

There is indeed a wide divergence in the numbers of those allegedly killed 
in the camps, especially Auschwitz.  Non-revisionists quote Hilberg, Reitlinger,
and others to support the idea that  many HISTORIANS did not believe it.  This
does not negate the fact that dozens of other sources printed different figures
unashamedly, and some of them should have known better.  Do you wish me
to begin quoting some of them for you?  i will be pleased to begin posting.  In
fact, I have already begun with the Discovery Channel and world war II magazine.
What does this signify?  That figures were irresponsibly bandied about for decades.
This is not right, and casts suspicion upon the whole event, IMO. It is also curious that
the numbers are decreasing as time goes by according to various non-revisionist sources
like Pressac.

>  
>  So, on whose truth is this statement based ? The same truth that declares
>  that the Discovery Channel is deliberately misleading the public ?

I said irresponsibly.

 The
>  same truth that declares that Hoess was tortured and coerced into making
>  false statements when there is not a shred of credible evidence to support
>  either ludicrous claim ?

He was and there is.  you choose to disregard it because it compels you to
examine your faith in your idols.  As to the second part of the passage in question:

 Why did the Simon
>  Wiesenthal Center keep silent on this figure until recently?  Could MONEY
>  have anything to do with it?"

As you will notice, these are NOT statements of FACT.  They are interrogatories.
I am asking a question.

  Since you have declined, yet again to answer the question, and instead
>  attempted some feeble attempt at a personal attack, I'll just assume that
>  you are admitting that you HAVE NO PROOF, and that YOU ARE A LIAR.

Whatever you think, Mr. Gandhi.  Have a nice week end.
>  
>>>>



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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  
>  >  >  	Don't be silly.  The book contradicts every one of cherished ideas 
>  about 
>  >  >  Kramer.  You have claimed that his intention was to treat the prisoners 
>  humanely.  The 
>  >  >  information Segev presents makes a very convincing case that Kramer -- 
>  and the other 
>  >  >  commandants of the concentration camps -- were indoctrinated and 
>  ordered to treat the 
>  >  >  prisoners as sub-human.
>    
>  >  >  	Deal with it, sonny boy.
>  
>  >  Correction:  Don't refer  me to a secondary source.
>  
>  	Sorry, sonny boy, much of the material in Segev's book is primary 
>  source -- including the interview with his wife.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Do you mind posting the interview with the wife?  Or is it too lengthy?
I have the book, but I have a problem getting to it.


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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:


>  
>  It's Friday. C'mon, I have the book, what's the page number and what
>  does this page apply to. You seem to have snipped out the content of
>  this message. Did you do this on purpose? Of course you did.

No, I didn't.  Since you have the Von Hassell diaries, look it up in the index.
I was referring to streicher and the general animosity which was felt in party
circles regarding the same.  Look under Streicher.
>  
>  
>  
>>>>



From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct  5 08:54:37 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>  Of course.  When we get a report, signed by Himmler and submitted to Hitler,
>  >>  as attested in writing by his adjutant, the only thing you clowns have left is
>  >>  the old, "gee, it's a forgery".  Pathetic.
>  >>  
>  >>  --
>  >>  Gord McFee
>  >>  I'll write no line before its time
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >Fie on you, McFee.
>  
>  I think he is farting in your general direction, Mr.
>  Belling/Blackmore/Whoever.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
I will be sure to fan it your way, you ought to be used to it by now.


From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct  5 08:54:38 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Joseph Kramer, Watta Guy!
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  >  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >  >Correction:  Don't refer  me to a secondary source.
>    
>  >  Then check the footnotes to the secondary source Mr.
>  >  Belling/Blackmore/Whoever. Don't just try to wriggle out by ignoring a
>  >  presentation. You have your chance now to catch old Yale off guard by
>  >  looking at his secondary source's sources. I think you prefer to
>  >  cop-out, however.
>  
>  	rblackmore is just throwing up a smokescreen.  The facts in Segev 
>  includes some rather interesting primary material, including quotes from Kramer's 
>  letters from prison and quotes from an interview with Kramer's wife.  That is 
>  classified as primary source material wherever the reprints can be found.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Found the book and looked through it.  It was rather disappointing.  The
author communicated extensively with Kramer's family and even visited
them in Germany, staying over at their home for a full day and night, yet
only quotes a few sentences from the widow.  Her comments must not
have fulfilled either his expectations or preconceived notions.


From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct  5 08:54:39 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  
>  >  >  Good point. Now why do you suppose the folks back in Berlin would
>  >  >  impressed by exaggerated body counts of Jews shot by the
>  >  >  Einsatzgruppen?
>  >  
>  >  who was talking about the Jews here?
>  
>  	The Einsatzgruppen.  The people back in Berlin>
>  
>  >  >  I know, I know. You'll get around to posting. . . .
>    
>  >  I just did, didn't I?  By the way, how fast could you post if you answer dozens 
>  of
>  >  demands for evidence every day?  I am not the Wiesenthal Center, where I 
>  can hire
>  >  a staff to do my work for me.  If that was the case, you people would really be 
>  in a 
>  >  jam.  Your unjust and barbed comments do you no credit.
>  
>  	The idea, jerk-off, is to do your research *before* you make an 
>  assertion of fact.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Why don't you follow your own advice then, counselor?

"Your spouses are going to change:  their personalities are going to
change in law school.  They'll get more aggressive, more hostile,
more precise, more impatient."----Soia Mentschikoff, University of
Chicago, to the wives and husbands of first year law students.


From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct  5 08:54:40 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  >  >  	The water came from somewhere.  Even if it was in trucks.
>  
>  >  OK.  Great.  But it did not come from the river.
>  
>  	You can prove this?
>  
>  	I thought not.  More excuses without foundation.
>  
>  
>  >  it came as part of the regular field
>  >  supplies issued to the Brish army.
>  
>  	Sure.  And the British trucked all their water in from the Thames.
>  
>  >  So, Kramer did not get the water from the river, he got 
>  >  it from the British.
>  
>  
>  	Kramer was under arrest.  The British supplied the water to the prisoners .
>  
>  	Your string is about played out.  The fact is that the testimony is that the 
>  British used the pumps and hoses found in the camp and obtained potable water 
>  from the river.  All you wiggling and all your squirming cannot change that.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
You're a riot sometimes.  Why don't you do some reading instead of talking
all the time?  How do you think whole armies are supplied with food and water?
It is called logistics, and the British brought up water and food supplies from their
own field kitchens.  The water was NOT pumped in from the river until FIVE days
later, after they had scrounged throughout the camp for equipment.  For an attorney,
you really are making yourself look ridiculous here.  Go get a cup of coffee, wake
up, read the testimony which confirms what I just told you, and then get back to me.


From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct  5 08:54:41 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  
>  >  >>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  
>  >  >>  	Apparently l'il tommy is unaware of the evidence presented at the 
>  >  >>  Nuremberg trial.  They not only took photographs but made movies as well.
>    
>  >  	Mr. Edeiken, I'm interested in these photos, and the movies. How
>  >  come they are not used, referred to, in the Holocasut sales package? I
>  >  take it your not referring to anything of Buchenwald or Dachau, but
>  >  are referring to any taken by the Soviets, as that's what the subject
>  >  is about. 
>  
>  	In other words, you are ignorant of the evidence presented at the 
>  Nurmeber trials.  There are several good books on the subject.  I realize that your 
>  lips might get tired, but try reading one instead of making up your lies.
>  
>  	Specifically:
>  
>  	Conot, "Justice at Nuremberg"
>  
>  	Taylor, "Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials"
>  
>  
>  >  >>  	If you add "ignorant" you have hit the nail on the head.
>  
>  >  >I thought you people were uncomfortable referring to Nuremberg?
>  
>  	Then you thought wrong.  But that surprises no-one.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
This is great.  You're not uncomfortable about referring to Nuremberg?
Why don't you read my posts on Soviet Def Comedy Jam 1-5, and then
get back to me so we can discuss this "eyewitness" testimony presented by
Papa Stalin and his roughhouse boys?


From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct  5 08:54:41 PDT 1996
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  >  >  	The testimony was the water was restored with hours of their arrival.
>    
>  >  >  	Perhaps defense counsel didn't pursue it becasue he knew that he 
>  was 
>  >  >  going to beaten over the head with it.
>  
>  >  You're guessing.....By the way-water wasn't "restored", it was brought in by 
>  British 
>  >  field trucks from their field units.
>  
>  	No.  I'm reading the testimony.  Testimony that a British barrister would 
>  not touch on cross-examination.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Now read the testimony that confirms what I posted above.


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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>

>  
>  	Odd that physicians who examined the alleged victims could find no 
>  medical results of severe torture.

That's a good one.
>  
>  	The fact is that the alleged victims were medically examined at the time 
>  of trial and there were no discernable injuries.

Oh?  The bruises had faded by then?
>  
>  	The fact is that while he cites the conclusion that there were irregularities 
>  he does not charge physical coercion.
>  
>  	Somehow I think that when blackmore gets around to posting his 
>  "evidence" we will read the same old charges and his "reasonable suspicions."  
>

>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Odder that this is in direct conflict with the comments of  U.S.
Judge Van Roden, who was in Germany investigating these
brutalities at the time of their occurence.

Let's try this one on for size.  Judge Van Roden:

"All but two of the Germans in 139 cases we investigated had been kicked 
in the testicles beyond repair.  This was standard operating procedure  with
our American investigators."

Old Proverb:  "Three Pennsylvania lawyers are a match for the devil."


From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct  5 08:54:43 PDT 1996
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52u3an$iud@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> - kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
>  (Ken McVay OBC)2 Oct 1996 08:56:07 -0700 writes:
>  :>
>  :>In article <52slmb$1soq@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>, 
>  :>gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>  :>
>  :>>That, or else it was carted in single-handed by l'il Erniekins Zuendel, 
>  :>
>  :>Was that Erniekins Zuendel, or Eniekins Zuendel? Someone needs
>  :>to sell h*berkins a clue, so he can computer the answer....
>  
>  Hehehe.  I doubt that H*uber would get the clue of it bit him in the b*m.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
According to your own opinion, don't believe everything you read on the Zundel
Site, heh-heh......why don't you try a little A & D ointment on those b_m bites?

"Some to the fascination of a name surrender judgment hoodwinked." 
--Cowper.


From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct  5 14:19:21 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Question rblackmore@juno.com / jbelling@sprynet.com won't answer
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>   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>  
>  In a recent email, later posted to the Usenet, rblackmore, in its
>  incarnation as jbelling@sprynet.com made the following claim about the
>  Simon Wiesenthal Center:
>  
>  "What do you say to the fact that many Jewish publications also quoted
>  this 4,000,000 figure for YEARS until the research made primarily by
>  revisionist scholars embarrassed the hell out of them.  Why did the Simon
>  Wiesenthal Center keep silent on this figure until recently?  Could MONEY
>  have anything to do with it?"
>  
>  He has yet to answer the following questions, without prevarication:
>  
>  (1) why he made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding the SWC;
>  (2) where is the proof (or any evidence whatsoever) for the following:
>     (a) that the SWC  promoted the figure of 4 million knowing it was wrong;
>     (b) that this was done for money;
>  (3) when he can't provide that proof, he is requested to revist part 1 and
>  supply the truth.
>  
>>>>
I answered it in a post last night.  Refer to it.


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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  

>  
>  	His question is not speculative at all.  You have consistently ignored the 
>  basic fact that the water for the camp had to come from somewhere.

You have consistently ignored the answer which has been given to you at least
10 times.
>  
>  	The only ones deprived of water were the prisoners and that only when 
>  Kramer was in charge.  There was plenty of potable water for the guards.

How many guards were there as opposed to prisoners?

  There 
>  was potable water for the prisoners in the years before Kramer took over.
>  
>  	The relevant facts are that the British were able to supply potable water 
>  using the equipment on hand.  The rest is a red herring.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
You're an obstinately irrational fellow.  The conditions in the camp before 1945
were quite different, as you failed to appreciate.  The camp was initially constructed to
accomodate 10,000 people at its maximum, not the 60,000 seriously ill people who were
later crammed in there during the last 2 months of the war, when Kramer was commandant.
This was no fault of his.  Perhaps others less blinded by prejudice than you will recognize the problems
facing Kramer, who had this horror dumped in his lap by irresponsible superiors who 
themselves were incapable of rectifying the situation they had created and initially
misrepresented to him.  Also, before these people were crammed into this camp, conditions
at Belsen were rather tolerable.  There was enough food and water to go around for
everyone.  Allied bombing of railways only aggravated this situation.  Could that have 
been their intention?  Finally, for the 10th time, the British supplied the camp with water
>from  their own field kitchens until they pumped water into the camp from
the river 5 days later.


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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  
>      
>  >  >  >  >  	Perhaps defense counsel didn't pursue it becasue he knew 
>  that he 
>  >  >  was 
>  >  >  >  >  going to beaten over the head with it.
>    
>  >  >  >  You're guessing.....By the way-water wasn't "restored", it was brought in 
>  by 
>  >  >  British 
>  >  >  >  field trucks from their field units.
>  
>  	The testimony was that it was restored using the pumps and equipment 
>  at the camp.  When asked if Kramer could have done the same, the answer was 
>  that he could have.
>   
>  >  >  	No.  I'm reading the testimony.  Testimony that a British barrister would 
>  >  >  not touch on cross-examination.
>  
>  >  Now read the testimony that confirms what I posted above.
>  
>  	I read it.  You are distorting it.  It damns Kramer for the murderer that he 
>  was.  And no barrister in his right mind would have even tried to cross examine on 
>  it.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
I asked you to read the testimony which I posted which proves that the British
delivered water to the camp from trucks from their field kitchens.  The evidence
also shows that water was pumped to the camp from the river 5 days later.
This is subject is now closed, as is your mind.


From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct  5 14:36:08 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
Date: 5 Oct 1996 20:39:08 GMT
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
(snipped)

>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Your argument is lame.  The trials were unjust and the means of procuring the
evidence was also unjust in many instances.  Civilized standards of law and evidence
were suspended because the accused were Germans and a defeated "enemy".
The accusations were not properly investigated and proven by forensic evidence.

Yale E. wrote:
 To date I have not seen an argument -- and this includes your posts, 
>  Carlo Mantagno's articles from which they were drawn

For the record, I have not read anything Mattogno has written.

The verdict is in.  As Moran once stated (and has since backed down) 
>  what you are doing is attempting to "appeal."  The burden is upon the detractors 
>  of the trial. 

This of course, is ridiculous.  Cases are often reopened and reexamined years
after a sentence has been handed down, when new evidence is brought to
light or when a judicial proceeding was conducted in flagrant disregard for the
rights of the accused.  A few examples of "appeal"
I do not hear you complaining about are:

1.  The Dreyfus Case
2.  The Rosenberg Case
3.  The Leo Frank Case  



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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
> 
:>  >  >  	Odd that physicians who examined the alleged victims could find no 
>  >  >  medical results of severe torture.
>    
>  >  That's a good one.
>  
>  	Sure is.  It completely refutes your lie

It is a lie in itself..
>    
>  >  >  	 Odder that this is in direct conflict with the comments of  U.S.
>  >  Judge Van Roden,
>  
.  You really ought to do some 
>  research at some place other than revisionist web sites.

I do not get my information from revisionist sites.  Sorry to disappoint you.
>  
>    
>  >  "All but two of the Germans in 139 cases we investigated had been kicked 
>  >  in the testicles beyond repair.  This was standard operating procedure  with
>  >  our American investigators."
>  
>  	That does not appear in the Simpson Report.  It is a fabrication.  
>  Sorry.

This was stated publicly by the Judge himself and I have the source.
>  
>   
>  >  Old Proverb:  "Three Pennsylvania lawyers are a match for the devil."
>  
>  	You should note that Van Roden was from Pennsylvania.

I was referring to you, not Roden.
>  
>  	



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>   "Annie Alpert, OFB"  writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  > 
>  > >   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:

Mr. Blackmore is, if nothing else, a simple troll. If he has a
>  > >  >problem with the reports, let him prove they are not
>  > >  >authentic. Until he does, forget his personal problem with
>  > >  >them - it is meaningless.
>  > >  >
>  > >
>  > >  Exactly. Some lurkers may wonder why some of us ask for their sources.
>  > >  Most lurkers will note that they rarely have them. When these people
>  > >  do present them they are rarely of much value or are distortions.

Prove that I have done this.  I ALWAYS provide a source when I am asked,
and I NEVER misquote.  Prove that I have-this is your chance-you are now on center
stage and the spotlight is on you.......
>  > >
>  > >  >-

>  I've read your posts for quite a while and IMHO you have not met the
>  burden of proof.

By whose standards?  Yours?

rb
>  
>  -- 
>




From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct  5 15:13:38 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>    
>  >  >  Nothing is ever done to your satisfaction, Herr Belling, and I couldn't be
>  >  >  bothered to do so since you have become little more than a troll.
>  
>  >  Always an excuse for a disinclination to assist  researchers with contrary 
>  opinions, Ken. 
>  
>  	Actually you have showed no ability or interest in research.  Your 
>  "questions" have been little more than puerile quibbles.  Examples:
>  
>  	
>  
>  	
>  	
>  
>  	
>  	And to put the cherry on top of the sundae when you made one of your 
>  blanket assertions and were asked for some evidence,
>  
>  	Stop whining, little boy.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
Great.  Let's address this:  LOL!

1.  When you were presented with the testimony of Nysili you asked for 
>  his birth certificate.

I still ask it.  One of your colleagues suggested that I write to Nysili's wife.
I am still waiting for the address......Also, who is this mystery man who never
even testified in a court of law, but whom you quote with pride?  The
"mystery man" whom Filip Mueller admits he plagiarized from....If you are
going to produce a credible witness, at least prove he exists!

2.  When you were told Hilter read "Der Stuermer" you demanded 
>  certifed copies of the subscription records.
>  
I still demand it.  You have made a scurrilous accusation.  Prove it.
Resorting to hearsay and second hand statements will not suffice.
Do not refer me to some man who claims he "heard" Hitler make a
remark which cannot be substantiated by other witnesses.

3.  When you were given a physician's report, you demanded his raw 
>  notes.

What I demanded and still demand are the results of the toxicological
tests you claim were conducted upon corpses allegedly gassed at Dachau.
I also demanded the written autopsy reports for the same.

4.  When you were given a pathologist's report on a tissue sample, you 
>  demanded that the original specimen be produced.
>  
Does this mean you have located it?

5.   you told us that you had a 
>  "reasonable suspicion" and that should be sufficient for anyone.

I never used those the words "that should be sufficient for anyone".
I take it you are referring to the "water" at Belsen?  That is a closed
subject as I have said, having already provided you with the evidence
10 times over, Counselor.

"Lawyers are like beavers: they get in the mainstream and dam it up."-
John Naisbitt.


From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct  5 15:13:39 PDT 1996
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>   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  >  >>  [snip]
 Please explain how many of the Jewish children listed below were
>  commissars or partisans.

They weren't.  They were with the partisans.  If they were shot, I don't approve
any more than I approve of the U.S. cavalry butchering Indian children at Wounded
Knee, or Lt. Calley butchering Vietnamese civilians.
>  
> Please explain how how we might wish to excuse murders because the
>  murderers had mistaken beliefs about their victims.

Why are you attributing statements to me which I never made?  Curious tactic...
>  
>
(Snipped the reports.  if they are true, I don't agree or condone it, as I have 
already told you

 Secondly, German officers
and soldiers WERE tortured.  Uncomfortable for you to have to admit,but true nonetheless.
>  >>  
>  >>  I am not uncomfortable admitting it. But I am uncomfortable with the
>  >>  claim that every single inconvenient confession or testimony was

I never claimed that.
>  
OK.  Then you will also not be uncomnfortable when I say that I never said torture
>  >was used in every single case.  Inconveniency has nothing to do with it.
>  
>  Fine. Post your evidence that the defendants in the Einsatzgruppen War
>  Crimes Trial were tortured.

I never said that I had evidence that the Einsatzgruppen people were tortured.
I am still researching this.  I merely suggested this is a possibility based upon the
HUNDREDS of incidents I have researched.
>  
>  >>  I know, I know. You'll get around to posting. . . .

You bet.
>  >
If you are going to make dozens of unsubstantiated
>  claims, expect dozens of requests for substantiation.

I will deal with it in time..  However, I would appreciate it if you would deal with things I write directly
rather than putting words in my mouth.
rb


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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: RBLACKMORE LIES AGAIN... Re: Add this one to the "Discovery Channel"
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>   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>  In article <53426m$38q@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  > >   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>  > >  In article <532m3n$p12@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote
>  > >  > 
>  > >  >
>  > >>>>>  First, since this time you have bothered to provide a reference, I will
>  > >  need to obtain a copy of the magazine to confirm the veracity of your
>  > >  claims.
>  > 
>  > Where do you want me to send it to you?
>  >  Be sure to get back to us after you set them straight.
>  
>  You're not getting my address. Digitize the article and email it to me.
>  Perhaps you could also send me a response to the question as to WHY YOU
>  LIED when you claimed that the Discovery Channel knowingly mislead the
>  public.
>  
>>>>
Do you have a FAX?  I will FAX it to you or any other Faxing
agency or number you care to provide.


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Subject: Apology to Nizkor & Jamie M.
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I have before me Nizkor QAR #20.  Nizkor states:

 "No doubt there were some cases of mistreatment.  Some Allied soldiers were so shocked
with what they saw in the camps that they reacted with violence, but this is not a serious
factor in the overall picture.  This is a long way from a POLICY of torture inflicted to
extract confessions."

Note that Nizkor does NOT admit that Germans were tortured in order to extract
confessions.  What they say is that there were some cases of "mistreatment", and add that
the reasons for this mistreatment rested upon the explanation that "some Allied soldiers
were so shocked with what they saw in the camps that they reacted with violence."  They
then add:  "This is a long way from a POLICY of torture inflicted to extract confessions."

Let's address the above.  Apparently Nizkor is referring to incidents such as what
happened at Dachau, when the Americans liberated the camp and lined scores of guards
up against a wall and gunned them down with machine gun fire.  What Nizkor does not
tell us is that many of the men they lined up and murdered were not even in the SS!  Many
of them were youngsters and elderly men sent into the camp during the last weeks of the
war after most of the original contingent of SS guards fled.  Many of these victims died
with crucifixes and rosaries in their hands, their only "crime" consisting in being in the
wrong place at the wrong time through no fault of their own. Note that not even one of
the American murderers was ever court-martialed.

Also, this does NOT explain how thousands of other German soldiers were inhumanly
treated in the hundreds of allied internment camps established by ALL of the allies and
maintained by them for years after the formal end of hostilities.  These horrifying
conditions in the camps and the brutal treatment accorded to the inmates have been
formally recorded and exposed for all the world to read in such books as "Other Losses"
and "An Eye for an Eye".  Such treatment was indeed the policy of all the allied
governments.  This also does not account for the millions of innocent civilians who
suffered in countless "work" and "extermination" camps set up by the allies after the war
had ended, especially in Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Eastern Europe, where former Nazi
concentration and work camps were utilized as a means  to murder innocent German
civilians, men, women, children.  The elderly, the infirm, and babes in arms all perished
alike.  There are many books which fully detailed the vengeful policies of the allies in
Germany, where countless thousands starved and were decimated by typhus epidemics
while the Americans, British, and French strutted about like armed, arrogant peacocks
lording over a Raj or subject colony, much as in the days of the British, French, Spanish,
and American "age of imperialism".

Also, by arguing that the Americans only reacted because of the initial shock of seeing the
deplorable conditions in some of the concentration camps, Nizkor's statement actually
implies that the "mistreatment" abated shortly thereafter, but nothing could be further from
the truth.  Some of the accused at the Nuremberg trials were tortured or mistreated, such
as Goering, Fritzsche, Sauckel, Hess, Frank, Streicher, and probably Raeder.  Ley
committed suicide in allied custody before he ever made it to trial.  All of the defendants
had the appearance of being undernourished.  All were subjected to extreme psychological
torments, a fact which hampered their ability in many instances to adequately prepare for
their defense, which hardly mattered anyway, as their sentences were most likely 
predetermined anyway.
However, the worst and most unrestrained use of torture was reserved for the "small fry",
especially in the case of the Malmedy Trials, as well as in countless other proceedings
cynically referred to as "Denazification", which in effect became a colossal witch hunt
using most of not all of the finer arts of torture once employed during the Spanish
Inquisition.  This was indeed a regular part of allied "policy".
In fact, it seems that not only torture was used, but also every type of artifice, fraud,
chicanery, and intimidation.

Now, if Nizkor feels that I owe them an apology, then I give it freely, but I also believe
they now owe us an explanation.






On Sat, 05 Oct 1996 12:53:42 -0400 jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
>(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following 
>newsgroups:
>alt.revisionism)
>
>rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>
>> How absurd and ignorant it is for Nizkor to claims that confession
>> were never extracted from the Germans by coercion or torture!
>
>Please give a URL to show where Nizkor claims this.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Posted/emailed.
>-- 
> Jamie McCarthy          http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
> jamie@voyager.net        Co-Webmaster of http://www.nizkor.org/
> Hate mail will be posted.
>


From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct  6 08:48:14 PDT 1996
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>   karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  >"Left-wing extremists near Madrid giving their clenched fist salute
>  >after burning of convent property:   An example of the anti-catholic
>  >feeling which has inspired the burning of many churches and convents throughout
>  >the country.
>  
>  Is this supposed to inspire feelings of horror? The Nazis, learning a
>  lesson from Vlad Tsepesh, filled synagogues with people before burning
>  them.
>  
>>>>
Proof?  By the way, there are many worse reports?  Would you like for me
to post them?  How odd, that the wanton destruction and persecution of 
the Christian church doesn't seem to concern you.........


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Subject: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me
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In reference to the continuing debate regarding Kramer and Belsen,
I offer the following:

"If it had not been for a typhus epidemic and overcrowding, the word
BELSEN might never have entered into our vocabulary of the Holocaust.
Unfortunately, near the end of the war prisoners from every part of Europe
were trucked, marched, or taken by cattle car to escape the advancing
Allies.  Thus the camp doubled it's size in the last six months.  (Actually, the
increase was more like six-fold, in terms of occupants) Food became scarce
or nonexistent.  Because of the influx of DISEASED evacuees, one of the
WORST TYPHUS PLAGUES in the history of the camps broke out, sweeping
through Belsen in almost demonic fury.  Most of the camp population died
either from starvation or typhus-or a combination of both-so quickly that thousands
of bodies piled up all over the area.

Belsen had none of the modern crematorium equipment found in other camps.  
Consequently, the mess that greeted the British liberation army was as gruesome
as could be found: and the sights transcribed on film and in photographs became
known throughout the world."

End of Quote
SOURCE:  Hitler's Death Camps
                  Konnilyn G. Feig, pg. 370.

As to Kramer:

"There was little evidence of Kramer's cruelty."  pg. 381.

Now, in fairness, Feig goes on to quote the opinion of the British court
which had to justify their sentencing him to death by remarking  that he
"had an almost unbelieveable disregard for the suffering of his prisoners..."
However, this was only their opinion and a justification for their imposition
of the death penalty.  Aside from all of this, the material above speaks for
itself and confirms what I have maintained from the beginning-that Kramer
was a scapegoat and a victim of circumstances.  Feig was honest enough
to list those circumstances.



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>   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>  In article <52vl5h$f8k@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  > Can we now discuss the priests and nuns murdered in the Soviet Union
>  > and in Spain during the civil war?
>  
>  Since this has nothing to do with the FACT of the Holocaust, in which your
>  beady eyed, impotent little hero, Hitler, used his Nazi juggernaut to
>  systematically exterminate more than 6 million people, including jews,
>  gypsies, political prisoners, and homosexuals, the answer would have to be
>  no. Find a relevant newsgroup and talk about it there.
>  
>>>>
I am talking about it here.  If you don't want to reply, don't.  Don't look now,
but your double standard is showing....


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>

>  >>  Well, Belling/Blackmore/Whomever, we first have to overcome your lies
>  >>  and unsubstantiated wonderings around historical events. To prove that
>  >>  someone is lying you have to present something that, well, proves they
>  >>  were lying. Also to meet your criteria you must also prove that they
>  >>  lies intentionally.

OK.  You accused me of lying.  Now prove it.

 



From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct  6 08:48:18 PDT 1996
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"Do you have any proof that Germans were tortured in order
 to extract confessions?"

 Due to the cloak of secrecy shrouding the allies use of
 torture, subterfuge, and intimidation, it has been
quite difficult to document their record of abuse.
  Nevertheless, over the years a number of able historians have
done an admirable job in exposing the facts relating to the
 shocking  use of torture by the allies.  Admittedly,
documentation is often difficult to obtain, due to the fact
 that the allied "interrogators" generally covered their
tracks well, yet the persistence of historians  and researchers
 interested in the truth has begun to pay off.   The
information which follows was culled from a variety of sources
 which should be easily accessible to parties
interested in further research. 


If I were to point to one particular event which to my mind
 signalled the allies policy in regard to treatment of the
vanquished, I would designate the meeting of the so-called
 "Big Three" at Teheran in 1943.  As described by both
Churchill and Elliott Roosevelt in their memoirs, "Stalin rose and
 proposed a blood-curdling toast.  The strength of
the German army depended, he said, upon fifty thousand
 high officers and technicians.  His toast was a salute to
shooting them, "as fast as we can, all of them."  Churchill
 was horrifed.  Quick as a flash, he was on his feet; his
face and neck were red, says Elliott Roosevelt, who was
 present.  He announced that British conceptions of law and
justice would never tolerate such butchery.  Into this breach
 stepped President Roosevelt.  He had a compromise to
suggest.  Instead of executing fifty thousand, perhaps
 "we should settle on a smaller number.  Shall we say
49,500?"  All the Russians at the table roared with laughter.
  So did the Americans, who were obliged to show
proper appreciation for their chief’s "humor."  Churchill left the table."(1)

Undoubtedly, the President’s little grim "joke" was a source
 of great amusement for the Soviets, who were still
chuckling over the 14,000 Polish officers they had slain at Katyn. 
 Later, one of President Roosevelt’s interpreters 
said of his emaciated, crippled chief:  "He looked sick, he acted
 sick, and he talked sick."(2)  Lest anyone think that
the President’s remark was made in jest, consider that less
 than one year later he was willing to ratify the notorious
"Morgenthau Plan" , had it not been for the adamant objections
 of his Secretary of War, Henry Stimson.

In order to fully appreciate the attitude of the allies in regard
 to the treatment  meted out to the defeated Germans,
a brief review of events would be in order.  To those who might
 object that the allies were too "civilized" to employ
third degree methods on captured German officers to extract
 damning "confessions", I believe that certain criteria
should first be investigated , presented, and addressed, namely:


!.  How did the allies treat non-combatants?  How were Germans
 treated who had nothing to do with the waging of
the war?  What was the allies policy in regard to women, the
 elderly, and in particular, German children?

2.  How were German prisoners of war treated?  Specifically, members
 of the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, etc. against
whom no criminal charges had been preferred?

If the allies treated the defeated Germans with justice and equity, and
 can be proven so by documentation and the
actual historical record, then the allegation that German POW’s were
 tortured and mistreated falls flat on it’s face.
  
Let us now examine the record:  Germany’s civilian population
 received a foretaste of allied policy in 1940, when
British pilots bombed a Berlin schoolhouse, killing a number
 of children.  The air strikes increased in severity over
the course of the war, culminating in the destruction of
 Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin, Nuremberg, Munich, and other
cities at a loss of probably half a million lives.  It was a common
 occurance for allied pilots to bomb and strafe
columns of refugees and the homeless.  For this reason, American
 and British pilots earned the infamous sobriquet
"terror-pilots" and were often treated as such when caught by
 German civilians.  Parachuting pilots were often
killed  upon capture by German civilians who had often lost
 beloved family members to the attacks of terror-bombers.  The
 allies made it a point to trace down the civilians responsible for these acts of righteous
retribution and summarily hanged them all, whenever and wherever
 they were found.   

The allies were particulary sensitive concerning the shooting of 50
 allied fliers who had escaped from the Sagan
POW camp in 1944.  From the German point of view, many of these
 fliers were warned that should they attempt
any more escapes, they would be shot.  Aside from that, many of the
 escapees were caught in civilian clothes or else in German uniforms,
 thus leading the German authorities to conclude that they were spies.
  When one reflects on the fact that members of Otto Skorzeny’s
 commando group, which infiltrated American lines during the battle
of the Bulge, were also shot upon capture even though they were
 wearing German uniforms under the American
gear, then the shooting of the 50 terror fliers loses some of it’s punch.
Nevertheless, German officers were executed for this  "crime" while
 the allied crime of shooting the German "spies" went unpunished.

The shooting of Americans at Malmedy  during the "Battle of the Bulge"
was given the widest publicity, and those German units which participated
 in this battle were all brought before the allied inquisition,
 notwithstanding the fact that the allies had,, in one
incident shot down 60 members of the Waffen SS in France in cold blood,
 and not one of the responsible parties was ever brought to justice.
 At Dachau, American soldiers lined German guards up against a wall
 and shot them down without mercy.  The Americans also allowed crazed
 inmates of the camp to take the law into their own hands and
 savagely murder other guards who were stationed there. At Dachau, many of
 the victims were simply Wehrmacht officers who were left to guard
 the camp after the SS personnel absconded.

When the allied armies first entered German territory, did the victorious 
champions of "democracy" comport themselves with dignity and honor? 
 Let the reader be the judge.  What follows is just an excerpt from volumes of
documents relating to the rampaging allied troops as they plundered,
 raped, and stole from the defenseless German population.
The one crime most often committed by allied forces against German
 civilians in all sectors was forcible, violent rape, which is evidenced by
 a selection of the following reports.  Few of the offenders were ever
 punished for this crime against women and children.

According to the publication "The U.S. Army in the Occupation of Germany":

"Of all the crimes committed by U.S. troops, the best....documented
 was rape, and it showed a "spiral increase" in the closing months
 of the war.  Between July 1942 and October 1945, 904 rape
 cases were charged in the European
theatre, 552 of them in Germany.  All told, 487 soldiers were tried
 for rapes committed in the months of March and April, 1945.(!)..
By no means all the incidents were reported or, of those reported,
 brought to trial, and the conviction rate was relatively low.(3)

"Reports of rape and robbery  by U.S. troops piled up on the
 public safety officer’s desk.." (4)

"....... soldiers of the 350th Field Artillery Battalion beat up the
 local jailer when he refused to release prostitutes being held for
 veneral disease treatment.  Later the whole police in Kuenzelsau
 tried to resign after being threatened that they would be killed if
they interfered with the prostitutes." (5)

"Nearly all incidents involved liquor or women, often both.  The
 population of vagrant women-which the Army inadverdently increased
 after November when it released penicillin for treating veneral diseases in German
women, thereby shortening for some the "turn around time"
 from jail or hospital and attracting others who had
been deterred by the fear of infection-was often at the root of soldier
 attacks on German officials and police...o one instance an American officer
 took an Austrian girl from Linz to Stuttgart, raped her three times, and then
transported her to Ulm, where he turned her over to the military police on a
 charge of having improper papers." (6)



Take note that these are cases which have been confirmed
 by the Allied Occupation Authorities.  Other reports
may be offered to substantiate the above in greater detail:

"From the east came the Bolshevized Mongolian and Slavic hordes,
 repeatedly raping every captured woman and
girl, contaminating them with veneral diseases and impregnating
 them with a future race of Russo-German
bastards.  In the west the British used colonial troops, the French 
Sengalese and Moroccans, the Americans an
excessively high percentage of negroes.  Our own method was
 not so direct as the Russian:  ....we compelled
women to yield their virtue in order to live-to get food to eat, beds
 to sleep in, soap to bathe with, roofs to shelter
them." (7)

The following was related by a catholic priest concerning a
 letter which was smuggled out of Breslau, germany,
September 3, 1945:

"In unending succession were girls, women and nuns violated..
..Not merely in secret, in hidden corners, but in the
sight of everybody, even in churches, in the streets and in public
 places were nnuns, women and even eight year
old girls attacked again and again.  Mothers were violated before
 the eyes of their children; girls in the presence of
their brothers; nuns in the sight of pupils, were outraged again
 and again to their very death even as corpses." (8)

Making the world "safe for democracy",  when our Russian allies
 "liberated" Danzig they promptly liberated all
the women of their virtue and chastity-by raping all-from small girls
 to ladies as much as 83 years of age....Whhen
women of the city pleaded for protection, a Russian officer told them
 to seek shelter in the Catholic Cathedral. 
After hundreds of women and girls were securely inside, the brave sons
 of mother Russia entered and "playing the
organ and ringing the bells, kept up a foul orgy through the night, raping
 all the women, some more than 30
times." (9)

(Footnotes will be posted separately)



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Now that we have demonstrated how German women were
 treated by the allies, let us proceed to examine the
treatment of children:

President Roosevelt again assumed the lead in directing
 allied policies in regard to the treatment of German
civilians.  His policy was reflected in a statement he uttered
 regarding the nourishment of the defeated.  As Marie
Antoinette once said of the French citizenry, "Let them eat
 cake", Roosevelt’s advice was "They should be fed three
times a day with soup from Army soup kitchens." (10)  As i
 turned out, the Germans were denied even this
"luxury".  According to the book "The U.S. Army in the
Occupation of Germany", published by the Center of
Military History, United States Army,...."military government
 did not provide relief for German refugees, at this
stage not even for starving children." (11).  So here we are
 confronted with a direct admission from a government
source that starving German children were given no assistence
 whatsoever.  Consequently we can only assume that
they were left to starve.  Often these children were orphaned. 
 Their fathers were either deceased or else 
languishing in a pow camp.  The mothers had either been raped 
and murdered or else victims of the appalling
allied bombing offensive.  If anything, allied policy was consistent.
  For instance,  during the first few months of
allied occupation in Berlin, typhus raged in the city, killing 65% of
 new-born babies.  This particular strain of
typhus was labelled by the Berliners as "hunger typhoid." Indeed,
 the death rate for infants rose to 660 per 1,000
in July!  It is clear that allied policies and politicians were responsible
 for these outrages and crimes against
humanity and against innocent children in particular.  The allies
 didn’t gas them to death, which would have been
more humane.  They simply allowed them to starve to death. 
 According to Douglas Botting, author of "From the
Ruins of the Reich", nineteen out of twenty babies died in the
 American Sector of Berlin in July 1945.  According
to the same source, in the British zone:

"The death rate of the very young and the very old reached
 a level not seen since the Thirty Years War nearly three
hundred years before:  in August, four thousand people died 
each day, compared with one hundred and fifty before
the war...the dead had to be transported by wooden carts or
 handstretchers, wrapped in rags or paper, as there were
no coffins....there were still 53,000 orphans living like wild
 animals in holes in the ground, some of them one-eyed
or one-legged veterans of seven or so, many so deranged by
 the bombing and the Russian attack that they screamed
at the sight of any uniform, even a Salvation army one."(12)
   In view of the indescribable conditions noted above,
the Americans charitably authorized the addition of a piece of
 meat or fish "one half the size of an egg"(!) when
available.  However, American servicemen were receiving over
 4,000 calories a day during this same period.  Jews
and Jewish DP’s received the next highest allotment:  over
 3,000 calories.  In the French zone conditions were
even worse, if one can even imagine such a scenario.
  All over Germany, children were suffering from ricketts and
little bodies were covered with festering sores and boils, due
 to malnutrition, starvation, neglect and abuse.  Often
they had no shoes and went for days on end without a meal,
 while American soldiers carried out the orders of
American Occupation authorities and dumped thousands of
 gallons of milk in the trash, rather than give it to the
starving children.  It was this incident more than any other which
 aroused the righteous anger and indignation of
General George Patton, which resulted in the feud with
 Eisenhower, who relieved him of his post.  

In Botting’s book, he quotes the statement of a British 
Officer named Christopher Leefe who at the time was
serving with the Green Howards in Berlin.  He relates the
 story of how a German youngster was apprehended
stealing items from the offiecer’s barracks in order to buy
 food.  Instead of having compassion on the boy, a Royal
Major beat him repeatedly and unmercifully.  The boy was
 approximately 10 years old, "thin as a bean pole,
clothes hanging on him like sacks."  The English bully struck
 this boy again and again screaming, "YOU
FU**ING  LITTLE KRAUT!"  What is most disturbing about
 this event is that not one person interceded on the
boy’s behalf.  What a particularly virulent hatred it is, to allow
 something so deplorable to occur without so much
as a protest.  Mr. Leefe was later quoted as saying
:  "The point is that none of us could have cared a bit for that
little boy.  He was probably an orphan, his father dead on
 the Eastern Front, his mother rotting under the rubble of
the bombed-out ruins, and here he was-starving and risking
 his life climbing up drainpipes in the middle of a
British tank regiment.  So what?  We didn’t feel any compassion
 for him or any of the Germans.  They had been
public enemy number one. (!)  So now we commandeered their
 horses, commandeered their Mercedes,
commandeered their women.  I would reckon that 60 or 70
 percent of young Englishmen in Germany thought that
way.  Most of us were for having a bloody good time and
 believed we could get away with anything."  (15)

Aside from the infants who were left to die en masse, the
 conditions under which German youngsters were
compelled to subsist were deplorable.  If the allies were
 unconcerned about the fate of infants, German teen-agers
and pre-adolescents fared no better-and often, their fates were
 worse than death.   German boys who were inducted
into the home army during the last days of the war received particulary
 brutal treatment at the hands of their
captors.  I have viewed many photos of such youngsters
 after they were taken captives and the condition they were
in was unforgiveable.  Thin, pale, their faces bruised and
 bloodied, these unfortunate youngsters were often
"escorted" by brutish looking military police twice their size.
  The book "Alliierte  Kreigsverbrechen und
Verbrechen Gegen die Menschlichkeit"  (Allied War Crimes
 and Crimes against Humanity), re-published a
photograph emanating from American newspapers entitled
 "Hitler Youth Walks the Last Mile."  The photograph
shows a youngster not any more than 13 or 14 years old
 being escorted by MP’s to a place of execution.  The
crime?  "Suspicion" of spying.  No trial, no evidence....simply
 shot to death for "suspicion" of spying.  Why this
youngster had to forfeit his life at the end of the war on such
 a flimsy pretext will be a mystery I will never be able
to fathom.  Yet I have already presented evidence of the
 brutal mistreatment a young boy of 10 suffered at the
hands of the British, simply because he was starving.  

These were not isolated occurences.  In fact, they were commonplace.
  Non-revisionist historians often take the position that such beatings
 never occurred, or were the exception rather than the rule, yet the
 evidence is overwhelming.  And if this was the treatment meted out
 to the innocent-and to children in particular-it is only logical to assume that
 Nazis accused of heinous crimes were treated far worse.

 The policy of the allies is clear.  It was their intention to turn the entire
 German nation into one huge concentration camp.  This policy was
 enforced throughout the breadth of the land.  Germany’s youth
were left to starve and languish.  Thousands of youngsters, homeless
 and parentless, formed into "gangs" where they were forced to resort
 to crime simply in order to live.  Young children of both sexes were
 compelled to resort to prostitution in order to buy a tidbit of food.  The
 allies took no responsibility for the horrors and suffering they
imposed upon another nation, nor have they ever apologized.
  In fact, when youngsters confessed to crimes without
any coercion, the Americans seemed quite disapppointed, as
 is evidenced by the following remark:  

"The amusing thing about these youths and the Nazis we subsequently
 questioned was their complete willingness to betray one another once
 they were convinced that a friend had tattled, and it required very little
 "persuasion" to convince them that they had been betrayed.  To the
 disappointment of some of our men, it was quite unnecessary to
become physical in the interrogation." (13)  Apparently it never occurred
 to the "interrogators" that some people were simply taking the easy
 way out, rather than endure torture to confess to false crimes.


(Footnotes will be posted separately)


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Now that we have demonstrated how German women were
 treated by the allies, let us proceed to examine the
treatment of children:

President Roosevelt again assumed the lead in directing
 allied policies in regard to the treatment of German
civilians.  His policy was reflected in a statement he uttered
 regarding the nourishment of the defeated.  As Marie
Antoinette once said of the French citizenry, "Let them eat
 cake", Roosevelt’s advice was "They should be fed three
times a day with soup from Army soup kitchens." (10)  As i
 turned out, the Germans were denied even this
"luxury".  According to the book "The U.S. Army in the
Occupation of Germany", published by the Center of
Military History, United States Army,...."military government
 did not provide relief for German refugees, at this
stage not even for starving children." (11).  So here we are
 confronted with a direct admission from a government
source that starving German children were given no assistence
 whatsoever.  Consequently we can only assume that
they were left to starve.  Often these children were orphaned. 
 Their fathers were either deceased or else 
languishing in a pow camp.  The mothers had either been raped 
and murdered or else victims of the appalling
allied bombing offensive.  If anything, allied policy was consistent.
  For instance,  during the first few months of
allied occupation in Berlin, typhus raged in the city, killing 65% of
 new-born babies.  This particular strain of
typhus was labelled by the Berliners as "hunger typhoid." Indeed,
 the death rate for infants rose to 660 per 1,000
in July!  It is clear that allied policies and politicians were responsible
 for these outrages and crimes against
humanity and against innocent children in particular.  The allies
 didn’t gas them to death, which would have been
more humane.  They simply allowed them to starve to death. 
 According to Douglas Botting, author of "From the
Ruins of the Reich", nineteen out of twenty babies died in the
 American Sector of Berlin in July 1945.  According
to the same source, in the British zone:

"The death rate of the very young and the very old reached
 a level not seen since the Thirty Years War nearly three
hundred years before:  in August, four thousand people died 
each day, compared with one hundred and fifty before
the war...the dead had to be transported by wooden carts or
 handstretchers, wrapped in rags or paper, as there were
no coffins....there were still 53,000 orphans living like wild
 animals in holes in the ground, some of them one-eyed
or one-legged veterans of seven or so, many so deranged by
 the bombing and the Russian attack that they screamed
at the sight of any uniform, even a Salvation army one."(12)
   In view of the indescribable conditions noted above,
the Americans charitably authorized the addition of a piece of
 meat or fish "one half the size of an egg"(!) when
available.  However, American servicemen were receiving over
 4,000 calories a day during this same period.  Jews
and Jewish DP’s received the next highest allotment:  over
 3,000 calories.  In the French zone conditions were
even worse, if one can even imagine such a scenario.
  All over Germany, children were suffering from ricketts and
little bodies were covered with festering sores and boils, due
 to malnutrition, starvation, neglect and abuse.  Often
they had no shoes and went for days on end without a meal,
 while American soldiers carried out the orders of
American Occupation authorities and dumped thousands of
 gallons of milk in the trash, rather than give it to the
starving children.  It was this incident more than any other which
 aroused the righteous anger and indignation of
General George Patton, which resulted in the feud with
 Eisenhower, who relieved him of his post.  

In Botting’s book, he quotes the statement of a British 
Officer named Christopher Leefe who at the time was
serving with the Green Howards in Berlin.  He relates the
 story of how a German youngster was apprehended
stealing items from the offiecer’s barracks in order to buy
 food.  Instead of having compassion on the boy, a Royal
Major beat him repeatedly and unmercifully.  The boy was
 approximately 10 years old, "thin as a bean pole,
clothes hanging on him like sacks."  The English bully struck
 this boy again and again screaming, "YOU
FU**ING  LITTLE KRAUT!"  What is most disturbing about
 this event is that not one person interceded on the
boy’s behalf.  What a particularly virulent hatred it is, to allow
 something so deplorable to occur without so much
as a protest.  Mr. Leefe was later quoted as saying
:  "The point is that none of us could have cared a bit for that
little boy.  He was probably an orphan, his father dead on
 the Eastern Front, his mother rotting under the rubble of
the bombed-out ruins, and here he was-starving and risking
 his life climbing up drainpipes in the middle of a
British tank regiment.  So what?  We didn’t feel any compassion
 for him or any of the Germans.  They had been
public enemy number one. (!)  So now we commandeered their
 horses, commandeered their Mercedes,
commandeered their women.  I would reckon that 60 or 70
 percent of young Englishmen in Germany thought that
way.  Most of us were for having a bloody good time and
 believed we could get away with anything."  (15)

Aside from the infants who were left to die en masse, the
 conditions under which German youngsters were
compelled to subsist were deplorable.  If the allies were
 unconcerned about the fate of infants, German teen-agers
and pre-adolescents fared no better-and often, their fates were
 worse than death.   German boys who were inducted
into the home army during the last days of the war received particulary
 brutal treatment at the hands of their
captors.  I have viewed many photos of such youngsters
 after they were taken captives and the condition they were
in was unforgiveable.  Thin, pale, their faces bruised and
 bloodied, these unfortunate youngsters were often
"escorted" by brutish looking military police twice their size.
  The book "Alliierte  Kreigsverbrechen und
Verbrechen Gegen die Menschlichkeit"  (Allied War Crimes
 and Crimes against Humanity), re-published a
photograph emanating from American newspapers entitled
 "Hitler Youth Walks the Last Mile."  The photograph
shows a youngster not any more than 13 or 14 years old
 being escorted by MP’s to a place of execution.  The
crime?  "Suspicion" of spying.  No trial, no evidence....simply
 shot to death for "suspicion" of spying.  Why this
youngster had to forfeit his life at the end of the war on such
 a flimsy pretext will be a mystery I will never be able
to fathom.  Yet I have already presented evidence of the
 brutal mistreatment a young boy of 10 suffered at the
hands of the British, simply because he was starving.  

These were not isolated occurences.  In fact, they were commonplace.
  Non-revisionist historians often take the position that such beatings
 never occurred, or were the exception rather than the rule, yet the
 evidence is overwhelming.  And if this was the treatment meted out
 to the innocent-and to children in particular-it is only logical to assume that
 Nazis accused of heinous crimes were treated far worse.

 The policy of the allies is clear.  It was their intention to turn the entire
 German nation into one huge concentration camp.  This policy was
 enforced throughout the breadth of the land.  Germany’s youth
were left to starve and languish.  Thousands of youngsters, homeless
 and parentless, formed into "gangs" where they were forced to resort
 to crime simply in order to live.  Young children of both sexes were
 compelled to resort to prostitution in order to buy a tidbit of food.  The
 allies took no responsibility for the horrors and suffering they
imposed upon another nation, nor have they ever apologized.
  In fact, when youngsters confessed to crimes without
any coercion, the Americans seemed quite disapppointed, as
 is evidenced by the following remark:  

"The amusing thing about these youths and the Nazis we subsequently
 questioned was their complete willingness to betray one another once
 they were convinced that a friend had tattled, and it required very little
 "persuasion" to convince them that they had been betrayed.  To the
 disappointment of some of our men, it was quite unnecessary to
become physical in the interrogation." (13)  Apparently it never occurred
 to the "interrogators" that some people were simply taking the easy
 way out, rather than endure torture to confess to false crimes.


(Footnotes will be posted separately)


From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct  6 08:48:20 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: More WWII Revisionism from our Commie-loving friends
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 05 Oct 1996 08:49:33 -0500, Joel Rosenberg  wrote:
>  

>  >56,000 German POW's -- out  [page 19] of the 5 million captured at the
>  >end of the war -- may have died in American captivity in the European
>  >theater in 1945.  This rough estimate of a mortality rate of slightly more
>  >than 1 percent would roughly match the mortality of American POW's
>  >in German hands.
>  
>  	Intereesting that the only source of the information on what happened to
>  Russian troops is the Soviet Union.  Thus the author gives complete
>  credence to Soviet sources.  This being the same Soviet Union that executed
>  those of their own troops who had to be forceably repatriated.  And that in
>  addition to the execution of all of their officers who had been captured. 
>  
>  	It is difficult to imagine a less credible source of information on any
>  subject with any form of propaganda value than the Soviet Union.  The
>  propaganda value of the treatment of POWs should be obvious to even the
>  holohuggers.  
>  
>  
>  =====
>  Read the information holohuggers fear
>  http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
>  http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
>  http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
>  http://www.alquds.org.80/www/zionism/zionism.html
>  
>  
>>>>
And don't forget to visit the posts "Soviet Def Comedy Jam" parts 1-5, for
non stop hilarious one liners:  "Do it again, Daddy!  Do it again!"....Take my wife...
PLEASE........


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:32:56 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Apology to Nizkor & Jamie M.
Date: 8 Oct 1996 08:37:13 GMT
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <536jlg$p9r@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  :>
>  :>I have before me Nizkor QAR #20.  Nizkor states:
>  
>  A shame you are unable to read it objectively.

I quoted it verbatim.  I don't need your interpretation.
>  
>  
>  Please post even one scintilla of proof for this incorrect statement.  Not a
>  single defendant at Nuremberg ever claimed to have been tortured, with the
>  exception of Streicher, who even his lawyer thought was deranged.  Why do you
>  suppose that all these defendants, when they had been convicted and sentenced,
>  and therefore, were safe from recrimination, never claimed to have been
>  tortured?  Not one.


What I posted I posted and it is TRUE.  For someone who claims
to be motivated by truth, you sure do get upset when your little
bubbles are busted.  Try reading Fritzsche's book, "The Sword in
the Scales" for a starter.   And yes, Frank was also tortured, as well
as Streicher.

>  
>  Why do you suppose that Fritzsche, Speer, Raeder, Doenitz, von Schirach, von
>  Papen, von Neurath, and Funk, all of whom were eventually released or
>  acquitted, never once--not one of them--claimed to have been tortured? 

Fritzsche most certainly did.  Read his book.  Raeder was captured by
the Russians and was mistreated.  I never claimed that Speer, von Schirach,
von Neurath, or Funk were mistreated.  read the names again:

Hess
Goering
Streicher
Frank
Sauckel




(Re: complaints of mistreatment and why they didn't complain)
> Not a single one did. 
>  Why do you suppose that is?

Fritzsche did, as he was one who was mistreated and lived to tell about it.
>  
>  As you know, Ley committed suicide, like many of the other Nazis had done,
> 
 Your statement is rubbish, without foundation, and you know it.

I said Ley committed suicide.  You gave a probable reason.  I gave another.
>  
>  Why _don't_ you use your real name?  You know that I know.

Good for you.  My real name will not affect the content of my arguments.
>  
>  [rest deleted]



From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:32:57 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Apology to Nizkor & Jamie M.
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>   "Annie Alpert, OFB"  writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  > 
>  > I have before me Nizkor QAR #20.  Nizkor states:
>  > 
>  >
(snip)
>  
>  > Now, if Nizkor feels that I owe them an apology, then I give it freely, but I also believe> they now owe us an explanation.
>  > 
>  
>  Why does Jamie (since "Nizkor" is not a person---merely a repository of
>  information) owe you or anyone an explanation.

He doesn't.

  He (they?) did not
>  commit the atrocities.

I never suggested that he did.

 He is the webmaster of the database. If you feel
>  the need for a detailed histography on post-war atrocities, write it up
>  and have it archived to Nizkor

How would I go about having it archived to Nizkor?

--don't sit and WHINE because Jamie didn't
>  do it FOR you!

I am not whining, nor did Jamie do it FOR me.  I researched this subject on my own.
>  
>rb  

>  
>



From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:32:58 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Julius Streicher - PORNOGRAPHER
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>   schwartz@infinet.com writes:
>  In article <52njfk$o79@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote to
>  Gord McFee:
>  
>  > By the way, someone told me that you are using a pseudonym-is this true?
>  
>  HAHAHAHAHAHA!
>   
>  Pot.Kettle.Black, Mr. Blackmore/Belling/whatever.
>   
>  Sara
>  
>  -- 
>  "I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy."
>                   Samuel Butler
>  
>  
>>>>
Glad I could make you smile.....Sara....smile....wasn't
that a song?


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:32:59 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>
l. I'm sure there are others here who feel
>  the same way. Tsk, tsk. There's a crowd of people here. 
>  
>  Some only read.
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Thank God they CAN read, and don't have to rely on
your distortions and accusations.  You have believed
these stories on the Holocaust for so long you have
conditioned your own thought processes to work in the
same manner.  Note how you didn't give even ONE
example of how I misquoted anything or else never
provided documentation when asked.  People must 
really be wise to your tactics about now.



From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:32:59 PDT 1996
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >
>  >1.  When you were presented with the testimony of Nysili you asked for 
>  >>  his birth certificate.
>  >
>  >I still ask it.  One of your colleagues suggested that I write to Nysili's wife.
>  >I am still waiting for the address......Also, who is this mystery man who never
>  >even testified in a court of law, but whom you quote with pride?  The
>  >"mystery man" whom Filip Mueller admits he plagiarized from....If you are
>  >going to produce a credible witness, at least prove he exists!
>  
>  He's dead.

Prove he ever lived.  This mystery witness who never gave 
testimony before a court.
>  
>  >
>  >2.  When you were told Hilter read "Der Stuermer" you demanded 
>  >>  certifed copies of the subscription records.
>  >>  
>  >I still demand it.
>  
>  Why would Hitler need a subscription? 

Do you have the subscription form or not?
>  
>  
>  
>>>>



From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:00 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud's for you, part 2
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
> 


>  
>  No one denies the the Salem trials and other American Puritan
>  witch-hunts.
>  
>  No one denies various massacres of native Americans that were also
>  based on hate.
>  
>  No one denies that Black's were slaves.
>  
>  No one denies that John Brown was hung.
>  
>  No one denies the horrors of the post war world.
>  
>  No one denies the Russian Revolution.
>  
>  No one denies the American Revolution.
>  
>  No one denies the inquisition. 
>  
>  No one seems to be denying the murder of gypsies, Russian POWs,
>  homosexuals, the genetically ill, the retarded, and other none Jewish
>  victims of the Nazis. What is so telling is the scope of the denial
>  that is presented by the distortionists. This seems to zero in on the
>  Jewish aspect of the Holocaust. This really topples the credibility of
>  the deniers.
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
No one denies that the Jews were persecuted either.
What we are addressing is what form this persection
took and in what numbers.


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:01 PDT 1996
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   m
>  > I beleive it is you who are swept
>  >>  away with the plethora of data and information that makes up the truth
>  >>  of history in these two cases.
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >Nice try, but it doesn't fly.  Nizkor states that Jewish people and others were
>  >gassed at Dachau. 
>  
>  URL? BTW, Nizkor is a group of volunteers and amateur historians. I
>  think you need to focus on what you really have to deal with here and
>  that isn't Nizkor, but rather with the works of degreed historians and
>  other qualified researchers on the holocaust.

Then Nizkor has an excuse.  An irresponsible historian doesn't.
>  
>  A source I sent here to this group (probley has been lost since my
>  service is having problems) suggests that they were gassed elsewhere
>  and gave the figures. The source, a book bought at Dachau, says that
>  the "showers" never worked.
>  
>  There are other claims and understandings concerning the use of the
>  chamber built at Dachau.

All these are claims which change over the years.  They are
cited, then abandoned, then recited and added to......
>  
>  
>  
>>>>



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>   "Annie Alpert, OFB"  writes:
>  This speech was given by Stephanie Brumlik in 1990 at a Duke University 
>  rally:
>  
>                               Revisionism in Review
>  



>       The ad makes a big deal about the number killed at Auschwitz.  What
>  was Auschwitz?  It was a complex of three camps and Auschwitz II or
>  Birkenau was the extermination camp.  There were not 4 million
>  slaughtered at Auschwitz.  That part is true.  However, the ad implies
>  that at one time it was thought that there were.  That part is false. 
>  The original figure of 4 million represented the estimate of those
>  murdered at all the Nazi extermination camps.

That is false.  This was the figure that was actually INSCRIBED on the massive monumental
slabs in front of the Auschwitz State Museum for DECADES..  Only a few years ago, the curators of the Auschwitz
state museum had the 4,000,000 figure chiseled out of the stones.  The Soviet Union also bandied
the 4 million dead at Auschwitz figure around for years, as did most major newspapers, magazines,
books and publications.  According to "Pictorial History of the Jewish People", by Nathan Ausubel,
(Editor of "A treasury of Jewish Folklore, etc), Crown Publishers, Inc.,1961, (ELEVENTH PRINTING)"


"......in Oswiecim (Auschwitz) and its subsidiary plants, almost 4,000,000 Jewish lives were snuffed
out.  The register of the slain in the electirc crematoria of the Oswiecim subsidiary, Birkenau, reads
like a carefully itemized account of a business house.  The plant first gassed, then burned 6,000
Jews daily."  Page 261.

So, this book, which may be found in practically every public library, went through 11 printings,
always repeating the same LIE; namely, that "almost 4,000,000" Jews were murdered at Auschwitz.
Not only that, but this book also claims that 6,000 Jews were gassed daily!  Finally, the Auschwitz 
register which the publication refers to, shows the total number of deaths at Auschwitz to be 70,000,
30,000 of them Jews, according to figures recently released by researchers.  Now, what was that
you were saying about 4,000,000 never referring to Auschwitz?


>       Next, we read about the Leutcher Report and are told that this is
>  the first ever forensic examination of the alleged gas chambers at
>  Auschwitz.  This is not true.  At the end of 1945, the Krakow Institute
>  of Judiciary Expertise did a toxicology study of six zinc grids or
>  grills which were part of the ventilation system of the gas chambers.


The presence of  hydrocyanic compounds in these grids do not prove mass HOMICIDAL
gassings.  These grids were commonly found in all the Krema installations which included
autopsy rooms, morgues, and undressing areas, which were frequently disinfected with
Zyklon B as part of the normal routine. This being said, the rest about Leuchter is really irrelevant.
 
>

>       We are also told that the Jews in Germany during World War II were
>  thought to be enemies of the state.  If this is true then I wish that
>  Bradley Smith would explain to us why Jews among others were selected
>  for
>  sterilization and euthanasia as early as January 1, 1934 - 5 years and 9
>  months BEFORE World War II began! 

What I would like explained to me is why Jews are alleged to have been selected for
sterilization at Auschwitz in 1942-43 if the intention had been to "exterminate" them in 
gas chambers. In fact, the "extermination" was already said to be underway.

 Mr. Smith also claims that if there
>  were extermination camps, then men such as Roosevelt, Truman, Churchill
>  and Eisenhower would have known.  If Mr. Smith thinks that they didn't,
>  I would strongly recommend that he read: While Six Million Died by
>  Morse, The Abandonment of the Jews by Wyman or The Holocaust Conspiracy
>  by Perl.

I would ask why Roosevelt, Churchill, etc. never said anything about this publicly at the 
time, along with the Pope.

>       So, if what Mr. Smith has stated in his ad is so false, how can he
>  say such things?  Maybe he is following the concept that:  "[The people]
>  more easily fall a victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they
>  themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were
>  too big."  That is a direct quote from Hitler's Mein Kampf and appears
>  in the chapter titled:  "Moral Disarmament of an Accuser." 

But Hitler attributed this concept to the Jewish people, not to Mr. Smith.

 But, Mr.
>  Smith is also counting on his readers to not know what really happened
>  or what the "establish Holocaust story" really is to be able to make his
>  case.  The best weapon against this is education.  Do you know about the
>  Nazi Einsatzgruppen?  They killed about 2 million and never came near a
>  gas chamber.

The figure generally attributed to the einsatzgruppen is 900,000.  This has not been
actually proven.  However, only recently researchers and governent officials dug up
an area in Lituania where it had been maintained for years that thousands of Jews had
been murdered by the Nazis and buried in mass graves.  The "graves" were empty....

  Do you know that there were only 6 extermination camps and
>  that none of them was located on what is now German soil?  The
>  revisionists are counting on you not to know these things.

This allegation has been known for decades and revisionists never denied that
such allegations were made.  In fact, all the so-called "extermination" camps were
conveniently located in areas under the nominal control of the Soviet Union....
It was non-revisionists who maintained for years that there was a lethal gas chamber
at Dachau, which was located in Germany, as well as Neuengamme, also located 
in Germany. 

(snip irrelevant material)



>       There is Robert Faurisson, a Frenchman, who was convicted in 1983
>  for violation of France's "racial defamation" law.

This "racial defamation" law consisted of "denying the Holocaust", whatever that means!

>       There is Wilhelm Staeglich, a retired German judge who calls the
>  Holocaust "Zionist atrocity propaganda." 

I would suggest reading Wilhelm Staeglich's book before reaching an opinion.

 And, how about Friedrich
>  Berg?  He lives in New Jersey and tries to mobilize support against
>  teaching the Holocaust in public schools.  In a letter to his governor,
>  he referred to such curriculum materials as "filth."

If some of the accusations concerning the "Holocaust" are untrue, would this not also
fall under the catagory of "racial defamation" of Germans?

>       There is Ditlieb Felderer of Sweden.  Like Faurisson, Felderer has
>  been convicted in his native country for disseminating hate material. 
>  He is known as the source of mailings to leaders of European Jewish
>  communities containing locks of hair and pieces of fat with enclosed
>  letters asking recipients if they could identify the contents as
>  Hungarian Jews gassed in Auschwitz.

I won't touch that one with a ten foot pole.....or as ten foot swede.....
(Pontificating snipped)





>>>>



From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:03 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Apology to Nizkor & Jamie M.
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>   karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
>  Can you please learn to format your article so that I don't get
>  an eye
>  disorder due to all the zig-zagging from one line to another? Doesn't
>  your
>  reader support little things like margins and font sizes? It's
>  hard to
>  read lines more than 65 characters in length anyway--that's why
>  professional
>  publications use more than one column. You're not the only 
>  offender in
>  this regard, nor is your "side" exclusively guitly to this
>  klutziness, 
>  but it shouldn't be hard to correct. Sorry to spend bandwidth
>  on a 
>  purely technical observation, but this stupid formatting is
>  driving me batty!
>  
>>>>
I thought the problem was corrected.  I will cut back on the margins.
The page looks fine at this end when I send it, as well as when I
pull it up later.  Is this any better, by the way?

rb


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:03 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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>   Chuck Ferree  writes:
>  Chuck Ferree writes:
>  
>  rbl, obviously ain't too bright. The canisters which contained Zyklob 
>  B were heavier than the poison pellets themselves, and the pellets 
>  were much heavier than the gas emitted by the pellets exposure to air. 
>  The gas was the killing ingredient, jelly. Now go to your room and 
>  read that natsie book again.
>  
>  
>  Daniel Keren wrote:
>  > 
>  > rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  > 
>  > # Zyklon is lighter than air.
>  > 
>  > No, dummkopf. Zyklon-B is a carrier for the gas,
>  > and it's certainly not lighter than air.
>  
>  Not only that, the dummkopf forgot to mention what color the gas vapor 
>  was. Mauve, blue..if so what shade blue? Perrywinkle blue, Goldwater 
>  blue, Tijuana blue, sky blue? Or what? Sort of mauve, kinda 
>  pink-mauve. What? 
>  
>  Chuck
>  
>  
>  
>  > 
>  > -Danny Keren.
>  
>>>>
Don't worry about the color....it was described by Artur
Breitweiser, Chief of Disinfestation at Auschwitz.  By the
way, he was declared Not Guilty at the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trials.
Better start runing before the collapsing Holocaust story falls right
on your head.


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:04 PDT 1996
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>   karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
>  jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth) writes:
>  
>  >dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>  
>  >	When it suits your purposes you quote the standards of the
>  >revisionists!? 
>  
>  You're missing the point

You're missing the point as well.  how about adressing the
millions of crimes committed against the German people
by the allies?  where are the monuments to those victims?
It seems as though you are only interested in exposing
the alleged crimes of one group (Germans) against another
group (Jews).  Suffering is not limited to one group of people,
nor the capability to commit crimes.


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:05 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me
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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  It's true: most of the victims in Belsen camp died from 
>  starvation and from typhus. Since no one cared enough to 
>  feed them, or to give them water, or to make any effort 
>  whatsoever to save them, they died.
>  
>  This is murder just as shooting or gassing someone is murder; 
>  it only takes more time and is more painful.
>  
>  
>  -Danny Keren.
>  
>  
>>>>
After the British took over the camp they were faced
with the same problems as Kramer, but have no fear-
the British are here---and funny thing, in spite of food,
water, and medicine and quality care 28,000 more died.



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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  # Zyklon is lighter than air.
>  
>  No, dummkopf. Zyklon-B is a carrier for the gas,
>  and it's certainly not lighter than air.
>  
>  
>  -Danny Keren.
>  
>  
>>>>
Wrong again, Strohkopf.


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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>

>  Our desperate Nazi-apologists claim that they are the only ones
>  who know what happened in the camps, although 
>  
>  A) They were not in them during the war.

Note:  Danny Keren claims to be an authority on what happened inside
and outside of the camps, yet he was never in them.
>  
>  B) There is not one single witness who was in them during the
>     war, who supports the Nazi-apologetic version.

Paul Rassinier was. 


  
>  They are left with nothing but the claim that everyone who was
>  in the camps - Jew, Pole, German, Soviet, Gypsy - is a liar,
>  and only they know the truth.

Let's try ex-commandant of Auschwitz, Richard Baer.  After that, let's
try Artur Breitweiser....etc., etc......and Danny keren is left with nothing
but the sad legacy of being one of the blind led by the blind.......Well,
Danny, that makes 3 strikes and you're out.

Consequently, Danny is left with the claim that one must believe 
whatever Danny says is true, believe ANY accusation without 
proof, as long as it receives Danny's blessed imprimatur.
>  
>  
>  -Danny Keren.
>  
>  
>>>>



From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:07 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me
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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>   In the course of your career have you ever seen anything
>  like this before? -- I have been a doctor for 30 years and
>  have seen all the horrors of war, but I have never seen 
>  anything to touch it.
>  
>   Did there appear to have been any attempt made at all
>  to preserve the lives and health of the inmates of that
>  camp? -- Absolutely none.


Appearances can be deceiving, and were...and the allies
used the sufferings of these unfortunates for propaganda
effect.
>  
>  <



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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  The following photos are in
>  
>  h
/
>  
>  Kramer.jpg:   Joseph Kramer, who served as commandant of Auschwitz
>                II (Birkenau) and later Belsen.                       
>  
>  
>  -Danny Keren.

And what does this prove Danny?  That the sick died from disease
and typhus?   It should be noted that when the British were occupying
India during the 20's and 30's, MILLIONS died from disease and starvation.
What did the British do to help the people of India?  Why didn't they help
the people of India?  Why couldn't they help the people of India?  Ask
Kramer-he was in a similar situation.
>  
>  
>  
>>>>



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Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me
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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709):
>  ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>  The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider
>  that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant,
>  Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time
>  Kramer's second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who 
>  worked in Kramer's office and was responsible for food supply.
>  I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among
>  other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the
>  increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, "let them die, why
>  should you care?".
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  -Danny Keren.
>  
>  
>>>>
Herta Ehlert was a petty thief and a liar and it doesn't matter what
her opinion was.  Danny is like a parrot....he keeps quoting the same
tripe over and over and over.....like Hitler's "Big Lie".....Gee, Dan,
you're learning.....By the way, everything Dan keeps posting over and over
has already been addressed in DETAIL.....Check for it in other posts con=
cerning Kramer and Belsen, both on alt.revisionism as well as Deja News.


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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  
>

>  Since we're talking about Belsen here, his major crime was that
>  he did nothing whatsoever to keep the inmates alive. That's murder
>  just like any other murder. When people are locked in a camp,
>  and are given no food or water, even though there is plenty,
>  it's murder.
>  
>Yep-you are right.  The problem here is that there wasn't any and 80% 
of the people had typhus.

rb

>  
>>>>



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Subject: Re: THE MANY-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG
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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth) writes:
>  
>  # You friend dr. Keren IS A first rate skeptical if not downwright
>  # DENIER about the atrocities,--  rape and bloody murder by the 
>  # Soviet hordes, -- when he asked me for EVIDENCE.
>  
>  If you people are going to play this game, play it fair.
>  
>  By "revisionist" standards, you have to supply very strong
>  physical and documentary evidence for this claim. For instance,
>  they demand to see 6 million corpses of Jews as a proof for the
>  Holocaust.
>  
>  If you don't have the evidence, then, by "revisionist" standards, 
>  you're a liar and hatemonger.
>  
>  Do you have it? Yes or no?
>  
>  Or do you reject the "method" of "Holocaust revisionism"?
>  
>  You can't have it both ways.
>  
>  
>  -Danny Keren.
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
We are waiting for you to post your evidence for the
Holocaust first.  It has been 50 years....when are you
going to post it?


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <325a82dd.98599818@news.zilker.net> - mike@aimetering.com (Mike
>  Curtis)Fri, 04 Oct 1996 21:35:04 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  :>
>  :>>>  Of course.  When we get a report, signed by Himmler and submitted to Hitler,
>  :>>>  as attested in writing by his adjutant, the only thing you clowns have left is
>  :>>>  the old, "gee, it's a forgery".  Pathetic.
>  
>  :>>Fie on you, McFee.
>  :>
>  :>I think he is farting in your general direction, Mr.
>  :>Belling/Blackmore/Whoever.
>  
>  Mr. "Blackmore" and I have been around this one before when he used to post
>  under another pseudonym.  
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
And perhaps I will post under something else as well.


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:11 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <5344rk$38q@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com4 Oct 1996
>  22:59:00 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  :>>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  :>>  
>  :>>  >Get thee behind Danny Keren, Satan, and do what you do best.....be sure
>  :>>  >to gargle afterwards. 
>  :>>  >
>  :>>  
>  :>>  Is this another example of your taking the high road, Mr.
>  :>>  Belling/Blackmore/Whoever?
>  
>  :>Why don't you review some of the comments made in your own posts, as well
>  :>as Ken Lewis, McFee, and Van Alstine, and then come back here with your holier
>  :>than thou attitude.  
>  
>  Why don't you start posting under your real name?  Or do I have to tell
>  everyone what it is?
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
Why don't you try answering a few arguments with
facts for a change instead of worrying about my 
name-which you think you know but you don't.
Go ask Ernie....


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <535cud$mo@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com5 Oct 1996
>  10:23:09 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  :>>  In message <52u3an$iud@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> - kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
>  :>>  (Ken McVay OBC)2 Oct 1996 08:56:07 -0700 writes:
>  :>>  :>
>  :>>  :>In article <52slmb$1soq@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>, 
>  :>>  :>gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>  :>>  :>
>  :>>  :>>That, or else it was carted in single-handed by l'il Erniekins Zuendel, 
>  :>>  :>
>  :>>  :>Was that Erniekins Zuendel, or Eniekins Zuendel? Someone needs
>  :>>  :>to sell h*berkins a clue, so he can computer the answer....
>  :>>  
>  :>>  Hehehe.  I doubt that H*uber would get the clue of it bit him in the b*m.
>  
>  :>According to your own opinion, don't believe everything you read on the Zundel
>  :>Site, heh-heh......why don't you try a little A & D ointment on those b_m bites?
>  
>  Trust me, I believe very little I read on the Zuendel site.  In fact, I rarely
>  look at the Zuendel site, preferring to concentrate on the truth.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
Now why don't you try TELLING the truth?


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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <5343fh$38q@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com4 Oct 1996
>  22:35:29 GMT writes:
>  :>
>

>  :>>  
>  :>>  
>  :>>>>>
>  :>I will refer the reader to my many posts both here and at Dejanews.  THEY can
>  :>decide whether I have met the burden of proof or not.
>  
>  Please read again (or for the first time, as one of your colleagues would say)
>  the post above.  Your posts have not proved anything--they are simply your
>  opinions and speculations.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
Which is your opinion and speculation.


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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:


>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
No, it has not been disproved.  Disprove it.


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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <536hgf$p9r@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  :>
>  
>  [deleted]
>  
>  :>Prove that I have done this.  I ALWAYS provide a source when I am asked,
>  :>and I NEVER misquote.  Prove that I have-this is your chance-you are now on center
>  :>stage and the spotlight is on you.......
>  
>  You did it to me in the last two weeks, and then apologized for having done
>  it.
>  
>  You made all sorts of assertions about Julius Streicher and when pressed for
>  sources, had none.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
No.  Your general comments do not suffice.  Please give explicit
examples.  Do not refer to posts that will take me a while to 
research and for which you have been advised in advance.


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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

>  : What is the relevance of his birth certificate?

Let's first prove he existed before we quote from his book.  This "witness"
NEVER testified in front of an allied court.  No historian from the west
ever met him or conducted an interview with him.
>  
>  Perhaps you should produce yours, so we know you exist and are not just a
>  denier bot.

I haven't made criminal accusations against people.
>  
>  :>2.  When you were told Hilter read "Der Stuermer" you demanded 
>  :>>  certifed copies of the subscription records.
>  :>>  
:>Do not refer me to some man who claims he "heard" Hitler make a
>  :>remark

>  Bullshit.  The quote from _Hitler himself_ has been posted here.  Don't you
>  even trust your Fuehrer?

My Fuehrer?  I have no king but Elvis.
>  
>  :>3.  When you were given a physician's report, you demanded his raw 
>  :>>  notes.
>  :>
>  :>What I demanded and still demand are the results of the toxicological
>  :>tests you claim were conducted upon corpses allegedly gassed at Dachau.
>  :
 The reports have been posted.  What you demand--in typical denier fashion--is
(snip)>
.  You blew
>  it in respect of the Nuremberg Trials though.

That's your opinion.  Now, where are the toxicological reports?  The originals?
>  
>  [deleted]
>  
>  You pretend to be legitimately in search of the truth, yet the _only_ sources
>  you quote are denier sources.

What "denier source" have I quoted, Mr. MeFee?  Please post it for the
world to see.

 Proven wrong,

YOU have not proven me wrong.

 you are now beginning to follow
>  the typical denier method: start the descent into vulgarity and insult.

I will post some of your comments and the comments of your friends soon
and we will discuss their vulgarity or lack of it.
>  
>  In your previous incarnation, I thought you to have the potential for
>  betterment.  I guess I erred.

You have erred in many things.
>  
>  
> 



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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message  - 42:05 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  :>
>  :># Zyklon is lighter than air.
>  :>
>  :>No, dummkopf. Zyklon-B is a carrier for the gas,
>  :>and it's certainly not lighter than air.
>  
>  Perhaps it is Mr. "Blackmore's" brain that is lighter than air?
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
Perhaps YOUR brain IS air....BTW,.Is the above an example
of your non-recourse to insult and invective-a descent-
as you called it in another post....keep doing it-I can always
use more ammunition.....


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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message  - dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>  writes:
>  :>
>  :>rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  :>
>  :># First of all, the Einsatzgruppen commanders DID say that
>  :># many of their reports and figures were exaggerated. 
>  :>
>  :>That's a true pearl of "Holocaust revisionism". He's
>  :>telling us that the commanders tried to make it look as if
>  :>they killed *more* Jewish women and children than they
>  :>really did! Why would they do that? Only, of course, if
>  :>killing more Jewish women and children would have made them
>  :>look better in the eyes of their superiors. 
>  
>  Next he will claim that Hitler and Himmler tortured them into faking the
>  massacres.
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
No, next I will claim that you never provide proof for your claims.
Where are those toxicological reports from Dachau?  I'm getting
hungry...where is that crow pie I was supposed to eat when you
produced them?


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message  -
>  schwartz@infinet.com writes:
>  :>
>  :>In article <52njfk$o79@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote to
>  :>Gord McFee:
>  :>
>  :>> By the way, someone told me that you are using a pseudonym-is this true?
>  :>
>  :>HAHAHAHAHAHA!
>  :> 
>  :>Pot.Kettle.Black, Mr. Blackmore/Belling/whatever.
>  
>  You know him too Sara.  :-)
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
This is hilarious.  You can't answer my arguments so you
yap about what my name is.....keep up the good work...
a clear admission of impending defeat.....


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Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message  -
>  jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
>  :>
>  :>rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  :>
>  :>> How absurd and ignorant it is for Nizkor to claims that confession
>  :>> were never extracted from the Germans by coercion or torture!
>  :>
>  :>Please give a URL to show where Nizkor claims this.
>  
>  You will be waiting until hell freezes over, Jamie.
>  
>  It might be worthwhile to point out to people who may be new here and who may
>  have open minds, that Nizkor does not "claim" things.  It does not post here
>  (sort of :-)).  It is a repository for accurate information on the Holocaust
>  and on Holocaust denial and that is why the "revisionist" deniers hate it so
>  much.  The truth scares and alienates them.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
I am not the least bit afraid.  I have posted my reply in
detail, and we don't need your imprimatur for people
to evaluate what I have written.  As usual, you avoid
the subject.


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <537g4b$10o8@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il> - schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il
>  (Richard Schultz) writes:
>  :>
>  :>rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  :>
>  :>: First of all, the Einsatzgruppen commanders DID say that many of their
>  :>: reports and figures were exaggerated.  
>  :>
>  :>Why would the commanders have exaggerated the numbers in their reports?
>  :>And why would they claim the numbers were exaggerated rather than that
>  :>the events recounted in the reports never occurred?
>  :>
>  :>: Secondly, German officers and soldiers WERE tortured.  
>  :>: Uncomfortable for you to have to admit, but true nonetheless.
>  :>
>  :>In the case of the Einsatzgruppen reports, torturing the officers would
>  :>not have done any good, since the reports were written years before the
>  :>trial.  And all of the officers had the opportunity to repudiate in
>  :>open court any confession they might have made and claim it was made under
>  :>torture -- and yet none of them did that.  Why?
>  
>  Because, Richard, Mr. "Blackmore" has simply recycled yet more denier rubbish.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
No, I haven't recycled "denier rubbish".  I don't refer to "denier" material,
at least not yet.  How about THIS though?

Einsatzgruppe A
Location:  Krasnogvardeisk

General situation in the present area of General Kommissariat
Byelorussia

During a punitive expedition, the village of Augrina near Rositten
was burned down.  The population had given shelterm food, and sup-
port to the partisans.  In nearly all the houses that were burned
down, there were explosions caused by hand-grenades and
ammunition.  The total population of 250 were taken prisoner.
30 men, the chief participants, were publicly shot in the market square
of Rositten.  The remainder were shot as well.  The population is
showing complete understanding of these drastic measures. (Pg. 275)

OR

Operational Situation Report USSR No. 155

Einsatzgruppe A
Location:  Krasnogvardeisk

All the leading Communist officials, except for one, have
now been arrested and rendered harmless in Estonia.
The total number of Communists who were arrested in Estonia
is about 11,500.  Of these, about 1,100 were shot and 5,377
were sent to a concentration camp.  3,785 less important
sympathizers were set free.  (Pg. 276)

Taken from :  The Einsatzgruppen Reports, Edited by Yitzhak
Arad, Holocaust Library, New York, 1989.

By the way, I never "denied" the activities of the einsatzgruppen.
I merely asked for verification of a document, as I will for ALL
documents.


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Subject: Re: More WWII Revisionism from our Commie-loving friends
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <537qrl$6ul@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com6 Oct 1996
>  08:32:53 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  
>  :>And don't forget to visit the posts "Soviet Def Comedy Jam" parts 1-5, for
>  :>non stop hilarious one liners:  "Do it again, Daddy!  Do it again!"....Take my wife...
>  :>PLEASE........
>  
>  This would of course be the same Mr. "Blackmore" who claimed to be here in a
>  search for the truth.  Of course, this someone too craven to post under his
>  real name isn't really after the truth, now is he?
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
Why don't you just address the posts?  Another admission
of defeat, I suppose.


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <537pu2$6oe@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com6 Oct 1996
>  08:17:06 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>"Do you have any proof that Germans were tortured in order
>  :> to extract confessions?"
>  :>
>  :> Due to the cloak of secrecy shrouding the allies use of
>  :> torture, subterfuge, and intimidation, it has been
>  :>quite difficult to document their record of abuse.
>  
>  And Mr. "Blackmore" does not break the perfect record here.
>  
>  [tons and tons of "revisionist denier rubbish that Mr. "Blackmore" stole from
>  Jeff Stumpy Roberts deleted.  He even used the same incorrect country code in
>  the transcription]
>  
>  :>(Footnotes will be posted separately)
>  
>  Of course they will.  In the vain hope that no one will recognize Stumpy's
>  phoney rubbish, except that it didn't work.  Mr. "Blackmore" is revealing
>  himself as a pretty pathetic researcher.  We will soon see how he is in the
>  invective department, likely preceded by a healthy dose of "la vierge
>  offensee".
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
Why don't you just deal with the documents, rather than stumpy
or anyone else.  This is one of your main faults and your weakest
points....you NEVER deal with uncomfortable documentation which
shows you to possess double standards.  If the material is false, simply
say so and prove WHY.


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> 
Before you have any spasms, I forgot to sign my initials on
the previous reply to this post.


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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On 4 Oct 1996 22:59:00 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  
>  >Why don't you review some of the comments made in your own posts, as well
>  >as Ken Lewis, McFee, and Van Alstine, and then come back here with your holier
>  >than thou attitude.  
>  
>  Now, now, now Jellybelly. I haven't called you a lying, nazi, scumbag,
>  apologist. Yet. 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
I couldn't care less what you call me.


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>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >>  
>  >>  >  >  	Wrong.  The British brought up the trucks and then found that the water 
>  >>  >  >  which Kramer denied the prisoners was potable.
>  >>  
>  >>  >  Wrong.  Read the testimony.
>  >>  
>  >>  	I did.  The testimony states that they used the pumps and hoses in the 
>  >>  camp and got the water from the river.  They also stated that there was no reason 
>  >>  why Kramer could not do the same.
>  >>  
>  >>  	Against that testimony we have:
>  >>  
>  >>  	your speculations.
>  >>  
>  >>  	--YFE
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >No.  You are obviously referring to a different portion of the testimony,
>  >either deliberately or accidentally.  Reread it.  The water from the river
>  >was not pumped into the camp until 4 to 5 days later.  
>  >
>  
>  I find it interesting that you never quote the testimony that supports
>  your assertions. 
>  
>  
>  Mike Curtis E-mail mcurtis@inetport.com
>  
>  Over 365 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi? 
>  Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
>  Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/ (Under construction - permanently!)
>  
>>>>
I did quote it in a previous post.


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>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rb
.
>  
>  It doesn't show that you have done a thing. It also appears that you
>  are not at all familiar with all the sources concerning Streicher. It
>  also shows that your comparisons do nothing to support your denials of
>  the Holocaust anyway. Streicher isn't all that important.
>  
>  Mike Curtis E-mail mcurtis@inetport.com
>  
>  Over 365 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi? 
>  Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
>  Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/ (Under construction - permanently!)
>  
>>>>
Streicher isn't all that important.  I agree.  So why was he at Nuremberg?


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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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>   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  
>  Let me forestall your next question. To understand what I mean by
>  "Holocaust denier," you first need to understand what I mean by the
>  Holocaust. First, "the Holocaust" is an inadequate short form for the
>  attempted extermination of European Jewry as a matter of state policy
>  by the Nazi government of Germany,

Complete extermination?  I disagree.  The Jews were deported to labor
camps.  There is also evidence that large numbers of German Jews were
deported to Riga.  The book :Die Zweite Babylonische Gefangenschaft
presents some interesting and new arguments.

shootings

I agree.  But where and in what numbers?

 murder by poison gas

  Where,  in what numbers, and how?

, euthanizing Jews for having the
>  "disease" of being Jewish,

When and where and in what numbers?

 and deliberate privation and criminal
>  neglect in camps and ghettos.

In some cases, yes.  But please be specific.
>  
>  Your shallow, scatter-gun approach to history is entirely an
>  effort--and a quite transparent effort--to excuse, explain away, and
>  exculpate the architects and agents of the Nazi effort to exterminate
>  European Jewry. That makes you a Holocaust denier.

After what I have just posted above, I can hardly be referred to
as a Holocaust "denier".  Also, European Jewry was far from exterminated,
and for that you should rejoice.  From all that I have read, and I have read
much, on both sides, I do not believe the 6 million figure, or anywhere 
near it.
>  
>  >When do you think the gassings at Auschwitz stopped, Mr. Morris?
>  
>  November 1944. About two months before the camp was captured by the
>  Soviets.

No.  It was alleged to have stopped at the end of October, four months
before the liberation of the camp.
>  
>  --
>   John Morris                               
>   at University of Alberta     
>  -- 
>  The Nizkor Project     | http://www.nizkor.org/
>  
>>>>



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On Tue, 08 Oct 1996 02:03:31 GMT mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>From June 14 to 21, Ernst Wolfgang Topf and Pruefer "apparently" 
>destroyed all the

 The author of the
>article does not put apparently in quotations. 
> 
Yes, you are correct.  I was merely drawing attention to the use
 of the word apparently. 
Perhaps I should have added in parentheses (Quotation marks mine) 
or something similar.  I did not mean to convey the impression that
 the authors of Anatomy used the word in quotation marks. 

 You left out that the younger Topf
>withdrew with American troops from an area that was to become a Soviet
>zone

Yes.  I didn't think it was that important.  At any rate, anyone may read
the text for themselves at their library, or purchase the book. 

  
>The fate of
>>Pruefer is unknown.......
>
>The author suggests that what happened to Braun possibly happened to
>Prüfer and the other engineers. why leave it out?

I did not get that impression.
>
>>.Unlike the Americans, the Soviets immediately "discerned" 
>>Pruefer's role in the construction of Auschwitz.
>>
>
.The trial of the two
>>architects of the crematoria in Vienna in January 1972 ended with the 
>RELEASE OF BOTH.
>
>This is your emphasis and not the authors of the article. Must you be
>so disingenous?

It is clear that the emphasis is mine, should anyone purchase
 the book or check it out from their library.  Next time I
 wish to stress anything, I will clearly state it.
Anyway, I don't see how it makes that much difference. 
 I did not leave words out or add any that were not in the text.


 Plus architects of the crematoria was in quotes in te
>authors article. 


Well, it is no crime to build crematorium, is it?  Either way,
 they were both declared not guilty of any crime.
>
>This is why the authors put "architechts of the crematoria" in
>quotations just as I have.


Then WHY were they charged?
>
>>(Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp, pg. 240).
>>
>I believe that Mark has covered the rest of your distortions.

With his own distortions, I am sure.  I don't even read them anymore. 

 By the way, what DID happen to 
>Kammler?
>>
>Don't force me to clear up your source quoting methods again and then
>you are welcome.  Raul Hilberg says on page 708 that his death was
>"probably" a suicide in 1945. 

Oh.  "Probably". I will add his name to the "list".
>
>
>
>




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>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

..  I am an individual and do not align myself with any 
>  >partisan group.
>  
>  Yes you do. 

No, I don't. It is you who is attempting to classify me.
>  
>  >>  
>   These death books did _not_ contain the names or registration of people
>  >>  gassed upon arrival.
>  >
>  >Well, then it is up to prove to us that these non-existent people existed and were gassed.
>  
>  Train passenger records and ticket sales. Try reading some of the
>  transport records.

Transports do not equal murder.  Many German Jews were deported
to Riga.

>   Recordings of this speech exist, as do his handwritten notes.
>  >
>  >The handwritten notes and the recordings differ.
>  
>  So?

So.........figure it out.
>  
>  >  Franke-Gricksh to Himmler, Kammler, Gobbel's diary, the Einsatzgruppen
>  >>  reports, and the like.
>  >
>  >OK.  Where do any of these mention gas chambers?
>  
>  Bait and switch from evidence of extermination of a particular people
>  to the existence of the gas chambers.

All right then, have it your way.

 (Sonderkeller). That was
>  not the only slip

This is very slim evidence.

. Every document in a 120-item inventory of material
>  needed for the completion of Birkenau,
t)," which referred to
>  the killing operations.

Where does it mention killing?

>     Another leak occurred when Dejaco set out to adapt the crematoria
>  to their genocidal function. 

I can not believe that this ex air force man had anything to do with
killing Jews, or was privy to a murderous secret.  Anyway, he was
later tried and found not guilty.


, whereas victims to be gassed could walk down
>  to the morgue that was now destined to serve as the gas camber. 

It seems that I have read "survivor testimony" where it is stated that
people were driven to the gas chambers and then slid down a chute
right into the showers.  I will hunt for this.

The
>  corpse chute no longer served any pupose and had to go.

People could have been undergoing delousing in these areas.  That
also would not necessitate the chutes.
>  
>  (_Anatomy_ pages 223-4) 

I have been reading this chapter and I have a lot of problems
with it.  There is much which simply doesn't add up.
>  
>  >>  No. I haven't the time to go sifting through all of Hoess's memoirs looking
>  >>  for a snippet that supports your thesis. If you have the evidence, you
>  >>  provide it.
>  >
>  We are all gentlemen, Mr. Belling/Blackmore/Whoever.
>  
So you keep saying.......>  


>  
>>>>



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Subject: Re: Troll-Belling/Blackmore still avoids the question... Re: 'kurtzi' stele, the Untermench (Re: Jewish Al
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>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >
>  >Watch the program and listen to what the moderator claims, then get back to me.
>  >Any conversation in between is worthless.
>  
>  IOW he hasn't the evidence so can't produce it. 
>  
>  
>  Mike Curtis E-mail mcurtis@inetport.com
>  
>  Over 365 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi? 
>  Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
>  Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/ (Under construction - permanently!)
>  
>>>>
Already gave the name of the program and the quote.
The rest is up to you/him/her/whatever....


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:28 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:
>  
>  >>I just did, didn't I?  By the way, how fast could you post if you answer dozens of
>  >>demands for evidence every day?  I am not the Wiesenthal Center, where I can hire
>  >>a staff to do my work for me.  If that was the case, you people would really be in a 
>  >>jam.  Your unjust and barbed comments do you no credit.
>  >
>  >Oh, please. You're going to make me cry.
>  >
>  >Nobody is forcing you to stretch yourself so thin across so many
>  >topics and threads. If you are going to make dozens of unsubstantiated
>  >claims, expect dozens of requests for substantiation.
>  >
>  
>  Exactly,  John. Belling/Blackmore/Whoever just has his eggs in too
>  many baskets, Plus he has 600 videos and failed to label them! What
>  character trait does this suggest about our Belling/Blackmore/Whoever?
>  
>  
>  Mike Curtis E-mail mcurtis@inetport.com
>  
>  Over 365 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi? 
>  Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
>  Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/ (Under construction - permanently!)
>  
>>>>
I may have failed to label a video, but I think you have pretty well
labelled yourself.


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:28 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Reply to Mike Curtis
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   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

..  I am an individual and do not align myself with any 
>  >partisan group.
>  
>  Yes you do. 

No, I don't. It is you who is attempting to classify me.
>  
>  >>  
>   These death books did _not_ contain the names or registration of people
>  >>  gassed upon arrival.
>  >
>  >Well, then it is up to prove to us that these non-existent people existed and were gassed.
>  
>  Train passenger records and ticket sales. Try reading some of the
>  transport records.

Transports do not equal murder.  Many German Jews were deported
to Riga.

>   Recordings of this speech exist, as do his handwritten notes.
>  >
>  >The handwritten notes and the recordings differ.
>  
>  So?

So.........figure it out.
>  
>  >  Franke-Gricksh to Himmler, Kammler, Gobbel's diary, the Einsatzgruppen
>  >>  reports, and the like.
>  >
>  >OK.  Where do any of these mention gas chambers?
>  
>  Bait and switch from evidence of extermination of a particular people
>  to the existence of the gas chambers.

All right then, have it your way.

 (Sonderkeller). That was
>  not the only slip

This is very slim evidence.

. Every document in a 120-item inventory of material
>  needed for the completion of Birkenau,
t)," which referred to
>  the killing operations.

Where does it mention killing?

>     Another leak occurred when Dejaco set out to adapt the crematoria
>  to their genocidal function. 

I can not believe that this ex air force man had anything to do with
killing Jews, or was privy to a murderous secret.  Anyway, he was
later tried and found not guilty.


, whereas victims to be gassed could walk down
>  to the morgue that was now destined to serve as the gas camber. 

It seems that I have read "survivor testimony" where it is stated that
people were driven to the gas chambers and then slid down a chute
right into the showers.  I will hunt for this.

The
>  corpse chute no longer served any pupose and had to go.

People could have been undergoing delousing in these areas.  That
also would not necessitate the chutes.
>  
>  (_Anatomy_ pages 223-4) 

I have been reading this chapter and I have a lot of problems
with it.  There is much which simply doesn't add up.
>  
>  >>  No. I haven't the time to go sifting through all of Hoess's memoirs looking
>  >>  for a snippet that supports your thesis. If you have the evidence, you
>  >>  provide it.
>  >
>  We are all gentlemen, Mr. Belling/Blackmore/Whoever.
>  
So you keep saying.......>  


>  
>>>>



From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:29 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: RBLACKMORE LIES AGAIN... Re: Add this one to the "Discovery Channel"
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>   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>  In article <536j8s$p9r@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  > >   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>  > >  In article <53426m$38q@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  > >  
>  > >  > >   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>  > >  > >  In article <532m3n$p12@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote
>  > >  > >  > 
>  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > First, since this time you have bothered to provide a reference, I will
>  > >  > >  need to obtain a copy of the magazine to confirm the veracity of your
>  > >  > >  claims.
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > Where do you want me to send it to you?
>  > >  >  Be sure to get back to us after you set them straight.
>  > >  
>  > >  You're not getting my address. Digitize the article and email it to me.
>  > >  Perhaps you could also send me a response to the question as to WHY YOU
>  > >  LIED when you claimed that the Discovery Channel knowingly mislead the
>  > >  public.
>  
>  > Do you have a FAX?  I will FAX it to you or any other Faxing
>  > agency or number you care to provide.
>  
>  No, I do not have a fax, nor am I going to foot the bill for a long
>  distance fax. I told you how to send me a copy of the article. Digitize
>  it. E-mail it to me.
>  
>>>>
No.  Can't go to all the trouble.  Contact the publishers.


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:30 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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>   schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il (Richard Schultz) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  : First of all, the Einsatzgruppen commanders DID say that many of their
>  : reports and figures were exaggerated.  
>  
>  Why would the commanders have exaggerated the numbers in their reports?
>  And why would they claim the numbers were exaggerated rather than that
>  the events recounted in the reports never occurred?
>  
>  : Secondly, German officers and soldiers WERE tortured.  
>  : Uncomfortable for you to have to admit, but true nonetheless.
>  
>  In the case of the Einsatzgruppen reports, torturing the officers would
>  not have done any good, since the reports were written years before the
>  trial.  And all of the officers had the opportunity to repudiate in
>  open court any confession they might have made and claim it was made under
>  torture -- and yet none of them did that.  Why?
>  
>  -----
>  Richard Schultz                              schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il
>  Department of Chemistry                      tel: 972-3-531-8065
>  Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel       fax: 972-3-535-1250
>  -----
>  The real trouble with the Jews is that they are cruel.  Anybody with a 
>  knowledge of history knows how they tortured poor debtors in secret
>  catacombs, all through the Middle Ages.  Whereas the Nordic is distinguished
>  by his gentleness and his kind-heartedness to friends, children, dogs, 
>  and people of inferior races.
>  					B. Windrip, _Zero Hour_
>  
>>>>
Are you implying that I am referring to the Jews
as cruel......stop picking on me!!!!


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:31 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >>  
>  >>  >  >  	Wrong.  The British brought up the trucks and then found that the water 
>  >>  >  >  which Kramer denied the prisoners was potable.
>  >>  
>  >>  >  Wrong.  Read the testimony.
>  >>  
>  >>  	I did.  The testimony states that they used the pumps and hoses in the 
>  >>  camp and got the water from the river.  They also stated that there was no reason 
>  >>  why Kramer could not do the same.
>  >>  
>  >>  	Against that testimony we have:
>  >>  
>  >>  	your speculations.
>  >>  
>  >>  	--YFE
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >No.  You are obviously referring to a different portion of the testimony,
>  >either deliberately or accidentally.  Reread it.  The water from the river
>  >was not pumped into the camp until 4 to 5 days later.  
>  >
>  
>  For the beneifit of those of us who do not have the testimony, post
>  the damn portion of it that concerns your point, for goodness sake!
>  
>  
>  
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I did.  Look for it in one of my responses to
Brian Harmon.


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:32 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  

>  
>  	Come back when you have some evidence.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
I can say the same to you.
rb
>>>>



From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:33 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>  	--YFE  
>  
>  
>>>>
By the way, it still has not been proven that they
were drinking untreated water from the river 5
days later....


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:34 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  
>    
>  >  .  You really ought to do some 
>  >  >  research at some place other than revisionist web sites.
>    
>  >  I do not get my information from revisionist sites.  Sorry to disappoint you.
>  
>  	Nor apparently did you do it by reading the Simpson Report.
>    
>      
>  >  >  >  "All but two of the Germans in 139 cases we investigated had been 
>  kicked 
>  >  >  >  in the testicles beyond repair.  This was standard operating procedure  
>  with
>  >  >  >  our American investigators."
>    
>  >  >  	That does not appear in the Simpson Report.  It is a fabrication.  
>  >  >  Sorry.
>    
>  >  This was stated publicly by the Judge himself and I have the source.
>  
>  	Odd that you do not post it.  Please cite the page in the Simpson 
>  report or to any testimony made under oath in which he made such a statement.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
It is already posted.


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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
> 

>  
>  	blackmore continues to make an idiot of himself.

That's a good one.  I ask for evidence and for proof that this Nysili
ever existed and he just ignores it.  Who is the idiot?
>  
>  >  
>  >  2.  When you were told Hilter read "Der Stuermer" you demanded 
>  >  >  certifed copies of the subscription records.
>  
>  Do not refer me to some man who claims he "heard" Hitler make a
>  >  remark

>
 no such 
>  testimony has been posted.

Do some reading for a change.  It was posted a long 
time ago.
>  
>  3.  When you were given a physician's report, you demanded his raw 
>  >  >  notes.
>    
>  >  What I demanded and still demand are the results of the toxicological
>  >  tests you claim were conducted upon corpses allegedly gassed at Dachau.
>  >  I also demanded the written autopsy reports for the same.
>  
>  	blackmore resorts to lying.  
A silly demand:  Yale Edeiken says that autopsy reports
were conducted on people who were allegedly gassed
at Dachau.  Yale also says that toxicological tests were
undertaken.  Yale offered to produce these reports.  I asked
for them.  Yale never produced them.  Yale now calls me an
idiot.
>  
blackmore admits that he does not accept a pathologist report.  
>  >  5.   you told us that you had a 
>  >  >  "reasonable suspicion" and that should be sufficient for anyone.

I don't accept his word for anything, less do I accept your word, seeing
that you stated these reports were undertaken and then refused to post
them.  Why don't you just say that you have seen unicorns and you will
produce them as well?
>    
>  >  I never used those the words "that should be sufficient for anyone".
>  
blackmore lies again. 

The one who lies is the one who cannot produce the
reports he promised.

 The reference was, of course, to his 
>  unsupported allegation that the Hoess confession was extracted by torture. 

This has been proven time and time again, but not for
Yale Edeiken and R. Gandhi.  Perhaps they ought to 
double date and discuss strategies.
 
>  Please note the dishonest editing of my post. 

Yale, when did you start having these comprehension problems?
>  
>  	  "Lawyers are like beavers: they get in the mainstream and dam it up."-
>  >  John Naisbitt.

Note:  Yale calls himslf a lyer, I mean lawyer.
>  >  
>  >>>>
>  
>  
>>>>



From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:35 PDT 1996
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  "Do you have any proof that Germans were tortured in order
>  >   to extract confessions?"
>  
>  	The answer, despite 204 lines of hate propaganda against the allies is:
>  
>  	No, he doesn't.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
You ARE a fool after all.  Don't forget about your "hate
propaganda " against germans.  It is people like you who
shall make revisionism an overwhelming success.  Keep up the
good work.


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:36 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
Date: 8 Oct 1996 10:42:07 GMT
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>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >This is great.  You're not uncomfortable about referring to Nuremberg?
>  >Why don't you read my posts on Soviet Def Comedy Jam 1-5, and then
>  >get back to me so we can discuss this "eyewitness" testimony presented by
>  >Papa Stalin and his roughhouse boys?
>  
>  Let's deal with the facts of the Holocaust and not you anticommunism
>  or soviet hatreds. Let's deal with the important issues that people
>  use to establish the facts behind the Holocaust.
>  
>  
>  
>  Mike Curtis E-mail mcurtis@inetport.com
>  
>  Over 365 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi? 
>  Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
>  Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/ (Under construction - permanently!)
>  
>>>>
I haven't referred to myself as either an anti-communist or
a soviet hater.  Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, don't burn
your bum over the candlestick


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:36 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
Date: 8 Oct 1996 10:43:05 GMT
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>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>  	No.  I'm reading the testimony.  Testimony that a British barrister would 
>  >>  not touch on cross-examination.
>  >>  
>  >>  	--YFE
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >Now read the testimony that confirms what I posted above.
>  
>  Don't be obtuse, tell him where (exactly) you are reading and what
>  testimony you are talking about. Provide a proper citation rather than
>  this continuing assault on our intelligence. I beginning to suspect
>  that this testimony of _yours_ is a figment of _your_ imagination.
>  
>  
>  Mike Curtis E-mail mcurtis@inetport.com
>  
>  Over 365 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi? 
>  Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
>  Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/ (Under construction - permanently!)
>  
>>>>
Why don't you just do what you always advise me to do....
read it for yourself?


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:37 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
Date: 8 Oct 1996 10:48:22 GMT
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>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >Odder that this is in direct conflict with the comments of  U.S.
>  >Judge Van Roden, who was in Germany investigating these
>  >brutalities at the time of their occurence.
>  >
>  >Let's try this one on for size.  Judge Van Roden:
>  >
>  >"All but two of the Germans in 139 cases we investigated had been kicked 
>  >in the testicles beyond repair.  This was standard operating procedure  with
>  >our American investigators."
>  >
>  
>  You have this massive problem of refusing to properly cite your
>  quotations. You actually have the audacity to claim historical
>  training. Pretty sad and pretty disingenuous.
>  
>  
>  Mike Curtis E-mail mcurtis@inetport.com
>  
>  Over 365 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi? 
>  Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
>  Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/ (Under construction - permanently!)
>  
>>>>
Here it is.  All you need do is ASK POLITELY.

The Statements of Judge van Roden were quoted 
from:

The High Cost of Vengeance, by Freda Utley,
HENRY REGNERY CO., 1949, Chicago
Illinois.  They concerned public comments
made by the Judge before the Chester Pike Rotary
Club on December 14, 1948.

Be sure to remember this the next time you accuse
me of never providing sources.


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:38 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  >>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  >>>>>
>  
>  I seem to be having problems with my other service. Let me know if
>  anyone reading this group sees a lengthy reply that discusses
>  Belling/Blackmore/Whoever's methods of quoting material from a book
>  and also discusses the material he left out of his quotes.
>  
>  Thanks.
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Have fun.


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:39 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>  
>  >>  	Your string is about played out.  The fact is that the testimony is that the 
>  >>  British used the pumps and hoses found in the camp and obtained potable water 
>  >>  from the river.  All you wiggling and all your squirming cannot change that.
>  >>  
>  >>  	--YFE
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >You're a riot sometimes.  Why don't you do some reading instead of talking
>  >all the time?  How do you think whole armies are supplied with food and water?
>  
>  Nonsequitor.
>  
>  >It is called logistics, and the British brought up water and food supplies from their
>  >own field kitchens.
>  
>  Proper historical citation, please?
>  
>  >  The water was NOT pumped in from the river until FIVE days
>  >later, after they had scrounged throughout the camp for equipment.  For an attorney,
>  >you really are making yourself look ridiculous here.  Go get a cup of coffee, wake
>  >up, read the testimony which confirms what I just told you, and then get back to me.
>  
>  Provide the proper citation for us all. The absence of this particular
>  citation and your refusal to do so is becoming telling.
>  
>  
>  Mike Curtis E-mail mcurtis@inetport.com
>  
>  Over 365 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi? 
>  Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
>  Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/ (Under construction - permanently!)
>  
>>>>
It was already provided in an earlier post, probably
addressed to Brian harmon.


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:40 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  >>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >>  
>  >>  Ah, but there's the rub. Mr. Belling/Blackmore/Whoever is showing more
>  >>  and more his unfamiliarity with the history of the Holocaust. He wants
>  >>  to deny and I guess it becomes easier to deny if one is ignorant of
>  >>  the history. This ignorance Mr. Belling/Blackmore/Whoever has shown
>  >>  this group over and over again. I think it would be wise for Mr.
>  >>  Belling/Blackmore/Whoever to catch up on his history before he
>  >>  proceeds further.
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >One step at a time.....one step at a time.......
>  
>  This is what I'm suggesting that you do.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Well, it is harder when I have to back-track
in your footsteps all the time.


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:41 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Joseph Kramer, Watta Guy!
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >>  >   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  >>  >  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:




>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >Found the book and looked through it.  It was rather disappointing.  The
>  >author communicated extensively with Kramer's family and even visited
>  >them in Germany, staying over at their home for a full day and night, yet
>  >only quotes a few sentences from the widow.  Her comments must not
>  >have fulfilled either his expectations or preconceived notions.
>  
>  Your preconcieved notions must not have been satisfied. The above
>  assessment, btw, is from a guy with several names who is trying to
>  make himself out to be some authority. It appears that Mr. Edeiken has
>  accurately described the book. I'm sure that the author did much more
>  than speak with Kramer's wife. 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Why don't you read what I wrote, read the book, and
then see if I distorted it?  Jack be quick again. The blind
leading the blind.


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:41 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Revisionist Def Comedy Jam - Part 2
Date: 8 Oct 1996 10:54:06 GMT
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>  >>  In article <52vp9q$gs4@juliana.sprynet.com>,   wrote:
>  >>  >>   mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>  >>  
>  >
>  >>      That's nice, but the critical issue here is not Morgen and Goeth, but
>  >>  your smear that "NO group of people paraphrase and quote out of context
>  >>  more than supporters of the Holocaust."  I showed how "revisionist" 
>  >>  Michael Hoffman misrepresented his source.  Perhaps you would care to
>  >>  address _that_ issue?
>  >
>  >We have since discussed this via e-mail and I think that it may be fair to say that
>  >both sides have been guilty of paraphrasing etc. I wish it wasn't so, but thems the 
>  >facts.
>  
>  Email ias email, Belling/Blackmore/whoever and such discussions
>  alluded to here mean nothing other than the fact that folks should not
>  deal with you via email. 
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Why do you then?


From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:42 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Nazi Persecution and Murder of Polish Priests
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  >  
>  >  >Extract from charge number 17 made by the Polish government against
>  >  >the defendants indicted before the International Military Tribunal
>  >  >[Trial of Major War Criminals, Vol. XXXII, p. 134-135]
>  >  >---------------------------------------------------------------
>  >  
>  >  	I would bet there is very little else behind this "extract" as to
>  >  what the Poles submitted in support of the 'evidence' introduced at
>  >  Nuremberg.
>  >  
>  >>>>
>  	Since you are unaware of the evidence that was produced at 
>  Nuremberg, your assertion is nonsense.
>  
>  	Par for the course with you.
>  
>  	--YFE
>  
>>>>
What "evidence"?  That's a joke if I ever heard one.

Question:  How do you know that God, who created
the world out of chaos and darkness, is a lawyer?

Answer:  Because he made chaos and darkness first.


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  9 08:06:36 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <53d45i$d7q@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com8 Oct 1996
>
  As usual, you avoid
>  :>the subject.
>  
>  As usual, you show the truth of my post with your evasions and snotty insults.
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
What is your idea of an insult?  How about this?
"Nazi boy"?  "Jellybelly"? "Schwarzesel" etc., etc. Until you decide to 
abide by honorable rules of conduct in a debate,
I shall refrain from answering any of your posts,
as I have refrained from answering those of your
pal, Van Alstine.  When you are ready to resume
discussion under proper conditions, e-mail me.




From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  9 08:06:38 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: 'Show Trials'? No, Just Another 'Revisionist' Lie
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>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >
>  >>
>  >
>  >>  >>  Well, Belling/Blackmore/Whomever, we first have to overcome your lies
>  >>  >>  and unsubstantiated wonderings around historical events. To prove that
>  >>  >>  someone is lying you have to present something that, well, proves they
>  >>  >>  were lying. Also to meet your criteria you must also prove that they
>  >>  >>  lies intentionally.
>  >
>  >OK.  You accused me of lying.  Now prove it.
>  >
>  
>  I've done this elsewhere on this newsgroup. 
>  
>  Plus if my service gets fixed there ought to be several clarifications
>  of your distortions.
>  
>  
>  
>  Mike Curtis E-mail mcurtis@inetport.com
>  
>  Over 365 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi? 
>  Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
>  Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/ (Under construction - permanently!)
>  
>>>>
It won't go unnoticed that you avoided
answering the challenge.


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Subject: Re: "Der Stuermer"-Hitler's Favorite Mag?
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>   bodhi@sattva.org (Bodhisattva) writes:
>  In article <52vnmn$gs4@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  > >   bodhi@sattva.org (Bodhisattva) writes:
>  > >  In article <52t8pf$i6t@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  > >  
>  > >  > Your argument is a non-sequitor.
>  > >  > By the way, NO group of people paraphrase and quote out of context more
>  > >  than supporters
>  > >  > of the Holocaust. 
>  > >  
>  > >  All this from someone who has never read Spinoza (or anything else that is
>  > >  not John Grisham)
>  > >  
>  > >>>>
>  > Who is John Grisham?  I have read Spinoza, as well as Marx, Nietzsche,
>  Hegel, Kant,
>  > Schopenhauer, Spencer, Darwin, Bertrand Russell, John Stuart Mill, Henry
>  Thoreau,
>  > Voltaire, etc. among others.  Now, what is your point?
>  
>  Sure you have, pal.  Sure you have.

One person I haven't read is John Grisham.  
Better luck next time.
>  
>>>>



From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  9 08:06:39 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <53d31o$d7q@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  :>
>  :>>  
>  :>>  Why don't you start posting under your real name?  Or do I have to tell
>  :>>  everyone what it is?
>  
>  :>Why don't you try answering a few arguments with
>  :>facts for a change instead of worrying about my 
>  :>name-which you think you know but you don't.
>  :>Go ask Ernie....
>  
>  Oh, I know your name.  And you know that I know your name.  Do I have your
>  permission to post it?  If you are so sure I am wrong, you won't say no

So what if you know my name.....Do you think
that entitles you to a cigar?
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>



From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  9 08:06:40 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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>   libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:
>  Alexander Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>  
>  : Don't be a fucking arsehole, there were literally hundreds of them. There have
>  : even been many confessions this century. How many people confessed to the murder
>  : of the Lindburgh baby? Two hundred, that's how many. People confess falsely
>  : to crimes everyday without torture, without even prompting. Christ, there are
>  : hundreds of people, more, in the United States alone who claim to have been
>  : kidnapped by UFOs. Don't be so stupid.
>  
>  Yep.  False confession is a well known phenomenon, and the people who
>  engage in it have a psychological disorder.  Are you suggesting that
>  ALL the nazi leaders who survived the war, by an amazing coincidence,
>  were afflicted with this disorder?
>  
>  Bill
>  
>>>>
What he is suggesting is that the people who
use "eyewitness" affadavits to convict innocent
people ought to have their heads examined.


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  9 08:06:41 PDT 1996
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>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
> 

>

>  This is not how I read it.

Now that we have read how you read
it, let's just let other people read it for
themselves.....

 It says that there was hardly a policy to
>  torture prisoners to extract confessions. 

It says what it says clearly.

This means to most able
>  thinking people that there were occasions of "torture" and these have
>  gone undenied by historians and the historical record.

There were more than just "occasions".
>  
>  >Let's address the above.  Apparently Nizkor is referring to incidents such as what
>  >happened at Dachau, when the Americans liberated the camp and lined scores of guards
>  >up against a wall and gunned them down with machine gun fire.  What Nizkor does not
>  >tell us is that many of the men they lined up and murdered were not even in the SS! 
>  
>  Citation for this please. _Inside the Vicious Heart_ only mentions SS
>  guards.

That's nice.  However, I am through supplying 
you with information.  Research it.
>  
>  >
>  >Also, this does NOT explain how thousands
 of other German soldiers were inhumanly
>  >treated

>  Which camps are these?

Research it/I did.
>  
>  >formally recorded and exposed for all
 the world to read in such books as "Other Losses"
>  
>  This book has been refuted.

The gas chambers have also been refuted.
>  
>  >as Goering,>  
>  They took his drugs away.

Sure, Mike.  You're right.  You're always
right.....right off the mark.
>  
>  > Fritzsche,
etc/
>  
>  You'll have to tell us what was done to these folks.

I will inform the browsers soon./
>  

>  >
>Curtis writes:  
>  You need to apologize to history for
 the lies you have laid in this
>  thread.

Why should I apologize for what you do
for a living?   SOME living!
>  
>  
>  



From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  9 08:06:42 PDT 1996
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>

>  :>>  
>  :>>  Trust me, I believe very little I read on the Zuendel site.  In fact, I rarely
>  :>>  look at the Zuendel site, preferring to concentrate on the truth.
>  
>  :>Now why don't you try TELLING the truth?
>  
>  Sorry to have shown you up, Mr. "Blackmore", but that's what happens when you
>  post denier bullshit that you are unable to back up.  But you don't need to
>  get so testy.
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
Has Mark Van Alstine given you your
doggy treat today?


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  9 08:06:43 PDT 1996
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>   klewis@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On Sat, 05 Oct 1996 17:28:40 GMT, mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:
>

>  
>  Isn't it interesting how the 'revisionist' set always throws out these
>  little pearls hoping that they will not get caught with them?
>  
>  
>  posted/emailed
>  
>  
>>>>
Perhaps you will now provide us with the
complete circumstances surrounding his
suicide, along with the investigation reports?


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  9 08:58:24 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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>   jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
>  jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
>  
>  > rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  > 
>  > > How absurd and ignorant it is for Nizkor to claims that confession
>  > > were never extracted from the Germans by coercion or torture!
>  > 
>  > Please give a URL to show where Nizkor claims this.
>  
>  Quick update:
>  
>  rblackmore has Cc'd me email in which he apologizes for making this
>  false claim.  He then goes on to say that Nizkor owes him an explanation
>  for something or other.  I informed him that I would respond when he
>  posted that email to this newsgroup.  I have not yet seen his posting
>  of that apology, but I will respond when it arrives at my server.
>  -- 
>   Jamie McCarthy          http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
>   jamie@voyager.net        Co-Webmaster of http://www.nizkor.org/
>   I'm a Zuendel-Certified "Censorship Buster."
>   Hate mail will be posted.
>  
>>>>
What Mr. McCarthy says is true.  However, I posted
the response a day or two ago.


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>   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>  In article <53dcln$hth@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  [big snip]
>  
>  > No.  Can't go to all the trouble.  Contact the publishers.
>  
>  I already have.
>  
>>>>
Good.  By the way, I have another one for
you to contact.....it is posted.


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>   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
>  >>  jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth) writes:
>  >>  
>  >>  >dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>  >>  
>  >>  >	When it suits your purposes you quote the standards of the
>  >>  >revisionists!? 
>  >>  
>  >>  You're missing the point
>  >
>  >You're missing the point as well.  how about adressing the
>  >millions of crimes committed against the German people
>  >by the allies?  where are the monuments to those victims?
>  >It seems as though you are only interested in exposing
>  >the alleged crimes of one group (Germans) against another
>  >group (Jews).  Suffering is not limited to one group of people,
>  >nor the capability to commit crimes.
>  
>  But, according to you, the Holcoaust never happened. Sure, you will
>  say there were some "abuses" against the Jews, but nothing really bad,
>  nothing compared to the suffering of the Germans. So I think it is you
>  rather than anyone who who is promoting the claim that suffering is
>  limited to one group.
>  
>  --
>   John Morris                               
>   at University of Alberta     
>  -- 
>  The Nizkor Project     | http://www.nizkor.org/
>  
>>>>
Please don't attempt to second guess me, Mr. Morris.
It is condescending.  I never made any of the above
statements as you wrote.  I would think an apology is
in order.


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  9 08:58:26 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud's for you, part 2
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>
rblackmore writes:
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>  
>  >>>>>
>  >No one denies that the Jews were persecuted either.
>  >What we are addressing is what form this persection
>  >took and in what numbers.
>  
>  Every one that met the definitions defined by Nazi law and all those
>  they could get their hands on in occupied territories.
>  
>  The numbers vary depending on method and with numbers running from 4.2
>  million to 5.8 million in total the basic picture hardly changes. The
>  concentration on the Jewish aspect makes it very plain where the
>  prejudice and hatreds of the deniers lay. There is absolutely no doubt
>  about this. So let's discuss the other numbers, they ought to vary
>  also, don't you think?
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Your numbers are inaccurate.


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  9 08:58:27 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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>   jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
>  jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
>  
>  > rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  > 
>  > > How absurd and ignorant it is for Nizkor to claims that confession
>  > > were never extracted from the Germans by coercion or torture!
>  > 
>  > Please give a URL to show where Nizkor claims this.
>  
>  Quick update:
>  
>  rblackmore has Cc'd me email in which he apologizes for making this
>  false claim.  He then goes on to say that Nizkor owes him an explanation
>  for something or other.  I informed him that I would respond when he
>  posted that email to this newsgroup.  I have not yet seen his posting
>  of that apology, but I will respond when it arrives at my server.
>  -- 
>   Jamie McCarthy          http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
>   jamie@voyager.net        Co-Webmaster of http://www.nizkor.org/
>   I'm a Zuendel-Certified "Censorship Buster."
>   Hate mail will be posted.
>  
>>>>
While I did offer an apology, the statement made by
Mr. McCarthy that my remarks were based upon a
"false claim" is not quite accurate, as the text I refer
to at nizkor referring  to the subject under discussion
is open to interpretation.  One will recognize that
my qualifying statement makes sense, as the Nizkor
statement itself was written by D. Keren, along with a
couple of other authors.  However, I have no 
problem with offering  Mr. McCarthy an apology, but
the apology is offered in a gesture of good-will.

rb  


From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct  9 08:58:28 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me
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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>  # After the British took over the camp they were faced
>  # with the same problems as Kramer, but have no fear-
>  # the British are here---and funny thing, in spite of food,
>  # water, and medicine and quality care 28,000 more died.
>  
>  They died because they were already in a hopeless state,
>  after being treated by your great hero, Joseph Kramer. Had 
>  the Brits arrived a few days later, probably no inmate would
>  have survived.
>  
>  
>  -Danny Keren.
>  
>  
>>>>
Danny, try to stop stretching the truth for once in
your life.


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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  
>  ## Since we're talking about Belsen here, his major crime was that
>  ## he did nothing whatsoever to keep the inmates alive. That's murder
>  ## just like any other murder. When people are locked in a camp,
>  ## and are given no food or water, even though there is plenty,
>  ## it's murder.
>  
>  # Yep-you are right.  The problem here is that there wasn't any
>  
>  Of course there was. Look at the photos of the SS-women. Each
>  one seems to weigh 200 pounds. There were 800 tons of food
>  in the Army barracks nearby. Even Kramer didn't deny it; he
>  said the Army didn't give him any food for the inmates.


Ok.  Let's see....there were over 40,000 ill
 prisoners crammed into Belsen during the last few weeks
 of the war, and there were at most 400 guards,
 many from non  SS units, along with an administrative
staff of 55 males and 12-15 females. The camp had
ONE doctor.....BTW, the SS women didn't contract
typhus or dysentery, which is what most of the new
arrivals were suffering with before they even got
there.  Perhaps you would have liked to have seen
the SS women down to 50 lbs?  As to the food
stores you keep harping about, let's quote from
the record:

>From  the questioning of Captain Sington, page 50:

Q:  Is it true that in fact food was cooked on
the 15th April before you arrived, and was issued
out?  

A:  Apparently it was cooked. I did not see it
being issued.

Q:  Were you present in the evening when
a german truck with bread arrived?

A:  No.  I saw bread in the camp on the 
following day.

Question by the Judge Advocate, page 53:

Have you any knowledge of the difficulties
that Kramer had to meet in these five months
(Four, actually. rb) and the facilities given to
him by his superiors to meet such conditions 
as there were?

A:  No.

Statement of Major Berney, page 54:

"The water in the tanks in the concentration
area was completely foul, and as an immediate
emergency measure some army water-carts were
sent in.....It took four to five days to have water
laid on to every cookhouse, and water was 
available to everybody in the camp in one
form or another about four days after we
first entered."

(In one form or another......hmmm)rb.

Finally, in regard to the tons of food-
it is clear that it was already alllocated
and rationed to other areas by the Wehrmacht.
Continued questioning of Berney, Page 54-55:

Q:  Do you speak and understand German?

A:  No.

Q:  How did you converse......?

A:  Through an official Belgian interpreter.

Q:  Was your first question to the Captain (In
charge of the Wehrmacht food supplies.rb),
"What camps do you supply from your food 
in the stores?"

A:  "No......"

Q:  Did the Wehrmacht Captain indicate which
other units he supplied rations to?

A:  Yes, the Hungarian regiments, their families
and the Wehrmacht troops in the camp.

Q:  Did he mention that Wehrmacht units as
far away as Hannover were supplied by that
store?

A:  He said nothing about Hannover.

Q:  Did you get details of daily issues from 
this store?

A:  No.........

Q:  Did you find out how the rations got
>from  the German food store to camp No. 1?

A:  No.

Finally, page 56:

Judge Advocate:  

Q:  Did you get anything from the conversation
or did you form the impression when talking to
this Captain that Kramer indented for what he
wanted or that the Hauptmann sent down such
food as he did when and how he liked?

A:  I cannot remember the exact words of the
conversation, but the impression I got was 
that he had to send down a certain quantity
in some sort of ration scale.

END OF QUOTES

Well, these statements ought to clear things
up from the prosecutorial posts offered by
D. Keren.   



> 

>  # and 80% of the people had typhus.
>  
>  Because they were starved and mistreated.

No, Dan, because they were ILL and typhus is
highly contagious.  Note also, that there was
practically NO typhus in Camp 2, which was the
section of the camp occupied by the original
detainees.  Neither did the inmates have the
appearance of seriously ill people afflicted by
typhus, a "wasting" disease, which gives the
same appearance as those suffering with advanced
AIDS.

It seems as though Mr. Keren likes to slant his
evidence sometimes.  How many times?  Who
can say?
>  
>  We've been through this before. No "revisionist" can explain
>  why, for instance, the death rate among Allied POW's for the
>  ENTIRE war was about 3 percent, while in the "work camps" it
>  was as high as 10 percent per MONTH in the second half of
>  1942, and so high at the war's end.
>  
>  No "revisionist" can explain why the local population, and the
>  SS, and the German Army, didn't starve, while the inmates
>  died like flies.

The SS and the German army also starved and
died like flies after the war in allied prison camps.
Also, the SS often contracted typhus as well as
the inmates.  Typhus is no respecter of persons,
and the SS also died from it.  Perhaps one reason
why as many SS did not contract the disease is
that they were prohibited from close contact with
the inmates.
>  
>

>  Emaciated corpses of the inmates.

Obviously seriously ill.  The inmates in Camp
two looked relatively healthy, as the British
themselves stated while being cross-examined.
>  
>  buchenwald04.jpg:
>  German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops
>  have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how
>  well-dressed and well-fed they are.

The Germans were not suffering from typhus.  
Perhaps Mr. Keren would prefer if they were?
Also, many germans would soon be dead from
the violent rampaging prisoners in the camps,
who were prematurely released by the allies.
Many of the criminal elements once incarcerated
in the camps were released to rape, loot, and
murder defenseless civilians.
>  
>  You can dance on the graves and offer your lame-brained excuses
>  for this mass murder, but you will not convince any rational
>  person - only other Nazi admirers and apologists.

Let's let the evidence speak for itself. I am not
here to convert anyone.  This has NOTHING to
do with admiration or apologizing.  It concerns
reporting things accurately.

"The truth or not the truth, THAT is the question.
The truth and ALL the truth, that is the answer.
>  
>  
>



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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:


>  
>  The fact that European Jewry was not exterminated has nothing to do with
>  whether the Nazis _tried_ to exterminate European Jewry.  But you knew that.

I have to disagree with that one completely. 
 If it had been their intention to exterminate the Jews
within their sphere of control, then there would not
have been a survivor left.  The very fact that only
25% of France's Jewish population was ever deported
disproves your thesis.

rb
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>



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This is dedicated to Raj Gandhi.  Add this one
to the Discovery Channel and WW II maga-
zine:

From:  The Pictorial History of the Jewish People,
by Nathan Ausubel, Crown Publishers, N.Y., 1961,
ELEVENTH PRINTING.

Quote:  

"....in Oswiecim (Auschwitz) and its subsidiary
plants, almost 4,000,000 Jewish lives were
snuffed out.  The register of the slain in the
electric crematoria of the Oswiecim subsidiary,
Birkenau, reads like a carefully itemized account
of a business house.  The plant first gassed, then
burned 6,000 Jews daily."

End of Quote (Note that in the quote Auschwitz 
appears in parentheses and was the German
name for Oswiecim.  The inclusion was mine.)

Now here is more evidence of how the figure
of 4,000,000 was bandied about for years in
a completely irresponsible manner.  Note that
in 1961 the book had already gone through
11 editions and more were to follow.  This
book is commonly found in libraries all over the
world.  Of course Mr. Gandhi will now set the
publishers straight.....as well as apologize to me
for calling me a liar when he stated  that I had no proof
that the figure of 4,000,000 alleged dead at Auschwitz
was irresponsibly bandied about for years.

rb





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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On Tue, 08 Oct 1996 08:51:51 GMT, jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris)
>  wrote:
>  
>  >rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >[snip]
>  
>  >>Don't worry about the color....it was described by Artur
>  >>Breitweiser, Chief of Disinfestation at Auschwitz.  By the
>  >>way, he was declared Not Guilty at the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trials.
>  >>Better start runing before the collapsing Holocaust story falls right
>  >>on your head.
>  
>  >The collapsing Holocaust story?
>  
>  >Thank you for finally clarifying that you are in fact a Holocaust
>  >denier.
>  
>  	It is unclear how observing the collapse of the stories makes one a
>  "denier."  Which particular story is one considered to be denying?  The 4.5
>  million Auschwitz story for example?  
>  
>  =====
>  Read the information holohuggers fear
>  http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
>  http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
>  http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
>  http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
>  
>  
>>>>
The fact is, their backs are up against the wall,
and the only tactic they can resort to now is to
LABEL.   This was predicted to
me a few weeks ago.  They have run out of
arguments, so it's time to reach into the mud
barrel......


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>   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  [snip]
>  
>  >Why don't you just deal with the documents, rather than stumpy
>  >or anyone else.  This is one of your main faults and your weakest
>  >points....you NEVER deal with uncomfortable documentation which
>  >shows you to possess double standards.  If the material is false, simply
>  >say so and prove WHY.
>  
>  What documents? All I have seen are little snippets of quotes from
>  unknown documents.
>  
>  Perhaps if you provided the promised footnotes?
>  
>  --
>   John Morris                               
>   at University of Alberta     
>  -- 
>  The Nizkor Project     | http://www.nizkor.org/
>  
>>>>
I'll post them. Then what?


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>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >Now that we have demonstrated how German women were
>  > treated by the allies, let us proceed to examine the
>  >treatment of children:
>  >
>  >President Roosevelt again assumed the lead in directing
>  > allied policies in regard to the treatment of German
>  >civilians.  His policy was reflected in a statement he uttered
>  > regarding the nourishment of the defeated.  As Marie
>  >Antoinette once said of the French citizenry, "Let them eat
>  > cake", 
>  
>  Actually, she never said this. This was propaganda aimed at her by her
>  enemies. Interesting factual history isn't it?
>  
>  
>  Once you site your sources I'll deal with the rest of your article.
>  
>  
>  Mike Curtis E-mail mcurtis@inetport.com
>  
>  Over 365 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi? 
>  Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
>  Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/ (Under construction - permanently!)
>  
>>>>
Of course you were there to hear her words.
Whether she said it or not is not important.
Roosevelt made the quote in question.  As
a matter of fact, it was his original intention
to supply one bowl of soup per day.


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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

....If you are
>  >>  >going to produce a credible witness, at least prove he exists!
>  >>  
>  >>  He's dead.
>  >
>  >Prove he ever lived.  This mystery witness who never gave 
>  >testimony before a court.
>  
>  He had a wife. I guess she wasn't really married to anyone.


This "man" never responded to anyone.  He's a
figment of your imagination, or somebody's 
imagination...
>  
  Why would Hitler need a subscription?>  >
>  >Do you have the subscription form or not?
>  
>  Blackmore/belling/whoever is now heading into the height of stupidity.

I'll have to step in line behind you.
>  
>  
>  So that's both absurdity and stupidity. I think they go together,
>  don't you? 'Course you do.

Just like you and Gordon McFee.
>  
>  
>  
>>>>



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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <32595260.13468499@news.spry.com> - klewis@awinc.com (Ken
>  Lewis)Mon, 07 Oct 1996 18:57:29 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>On 6 Oct 1996 00:15:25 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>  :>
>  :>
>  :>>Mr. "Blackmore" and I have been around this one before when he used to post
>  :>>under another pseudonym.  
>  :>
>  :>Perhaps the time has come to reveal Jellybelly's real name.
>  
>  Perhaps it has.  One problem.  I told him in private e-mail that I would
>  respect his privacy, as much as I abhor pseudonyms.  Unlike deniers, I am a
>  man of my honour.
>  
>  Now, that was in a different incarnation.  Perhaps my oath is no longer
>  binding, but was only binding to the other pseudonym.  Any legal experts out
>  there?  :-)
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
I guess this is an example of your honor?


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <53d2s2$d7q@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  :>
>  :>>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  :>
>  :>
>  :>>  
>  :>>  
>  :>>  --
>  :>>  Gord McFee
>  :>>  I'll write no line before its time
>  :>>  
>  :>>  
>  :>>>>>
>  :>No, it has not been disproved.  Disprove it.
>  
>  Boy, that is an informative post.

You would be better off to post nothing.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>



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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <3259717d.870837@news.inetport.com> - mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike
>  Curtis) writes:
>  :>
>  :>rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  :>
>  :>>>  
>  :>>>  The fact that _you_ say that Ehlert was a liar is nothing more than blabber. 
>  :>>>  Please post the independent forensic evidence that _proves_ she was a liar. 
>  :>>>  Two unrelated lie detector results will suffice.
>  
>  :>And this denier's response to Gord McFee!
>  :>
>  :>>I'll have to stand in line nehind you and your little imp, Mark van Alstine.
>  :>
>  :>This is nonresponsive to the questions at hand.
>  
>  Perhaps the reason is that there he has no answer to the questions at hand.
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
I have given you the answer you deserve.  Prove
that you deserve better.


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1.  Roosevelt's Road to Russia, George N
 Crocker, pages 219, 220,245, Henry 
    Regnery Company, Chicago, 1959.


2. The United States Army in the
 Occupation of Germany, Army Historical 
    Series, Center of Military History,
 pages 220, 246,248,355,422,438, Washington, D.C.


3.  Gruesome Harvest, Ralph Franklin Keeling,
 Institute of American 
    Economics, 1947


4. From the Ruins of the Reich, Douglas
 Botting, page 194,130,207-208, Crown 
    Publishers, New York, 1985

5. Vorsicht!  Faelschung!, page 195, FZ-Verlag, Munich, 
    1994


18. The High Cost of Vengeance,
 Freda Utley, page 167, Henry Regnery 
    Company, Chicago, 1949.

All the reports on the mistreatment of SS and Nazi Party Officials was taken 
from:  "Alliierte Kreigsverbrechen und Verbrechen gegen die Menschlichkeit" 
(Allied War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity), which consists of 
depositions given by German interness at the camp of Darmstadt, on behalf of 
defense attorneys at Nuremberg.  The information was verified in the reports 
and often confirmed by many witnesses.  Published by Durer-Verlag, Buenos 
Aires, 


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct 10 15:21:35 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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>   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  [snip]
>  
>  >Don't worry about the color....it was described by Artur
>  >Breitweiser, Chief of Disinfestation at Auschwitz.  By the
>  >way, he was declared Not Guilty at the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trials.
>  >Better start runing before the collapsing Holocaust story falls right
>  >on your head.
>  
>  The collapsing Holocaust story?
>  
>  Thank you for finally clarifying that you are in fact a Holocaust
>  denier.
>  
>  --
>   John Morris                               
>   at University of Alberta     
>  -- 
>  The Nizkor Project     | http://www.nizkor.org/
>  
>>>>
Thank you for admitting that you can not debate with
me, but choose instead to throw mud.  BTW, the story
IS collapsing IF every detail can not be maintained as
accurate or valid.  Now, how is that denying?  Also,
you yourself may be described as a denier if you 
consistently refuse to admit the truth of exposed Holocaust
falsifications.


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct 10 15:21:36 PDT 1996
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Would you care to be specific and answer the questions?
Golly, after that quote in Psalms, I should be looking
like a real moderate.....


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>   klewis@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  From the interrogation of Friedrich Jeckeln:
>  
>  " I would like to state for the record that Goring shares in the guilt
>  for the liquidations of Jewish convoys that arrived from other
>  countries. In the first half of February 1942 I received a letter from
>  Heydrich. In this letter he wrote that Reich Marshall Goring had
>  gotten himself involved in the Jewish question, and that Jews were now
>  being shipped to the East for annihilation only with Gorings
>  approval."
>  
>                          Work Cited
>  
>  Fleming, Gerald. Hitler and the Final Solution. Berkeley: University
>  of California Press. 1994. p. 97

rblackmore writes:

Good old Friedrich Jeckeln!  Now, allow me to state for 
the record:

Herr Jeckeln, who is often quoted by Holocaust promoters,
was captured by the Soviets, and had a show trial in the USSR,
where he was condemned and executed in 1946, after he
had made a "full confession" and "incriminated" the
appropriate people.   For more on Soviet produced sources
and evidence, please refer to my posts:  Soviet Deaf Comedy
Jams-parts one through five.

Source cited for the fate of Jeckeln:  Raoul Hilberg, page 708.



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  According toDragon:

>  
>  "Slama Dragon, another former prisoner, heard by the examining Judge Jan
>  Sehn on 10th and 11th May 1945, states that he was detailed to Krematorium
>  V in the autimn of 1943 and worked there until May 1944. He states that he
>  was employed on gardening, wood cutting, and coke transport [for which
>  Krema-torium?] as a member of the Sonderkommando of Kr V which was out of
>  service throughout this period and whose furnaces where not reactivated
>  until the arrival of the first transport of HUngarian Jews. He
>  subsequently confirms that in May 1944 Krematorium V was brought back into
>  service, but that at the very begining of the Hngarian action the furnace
>  of Krematorium IV was used to cremate the victims because that of V was
>  out of order. He then reports that the Jews were burnt in five ditches dug
>  behind Krematorium V.
>  
>  "Dragon's statements concerning Krematorium V are now confirmed, but doubt
>  remains about the use of Krematoium IV furnace." (Pressac, _Technique_,
>  p.380.) 

rblackmore writes:
Doubt also remains about the statements of Dragon.
Are his statements the only "evidence" they have for
this?



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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <53d3uu$d7q@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com8 Oct 1996
>  08:38:54 GMT writes:
>  :>
>  :>>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  :>>  In message  -
>  :>>  schwartz@infinet.com writes:
>  :>>  :>
>  :>>  :>In article <52njfk$o79@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote to
>  :>>  :>Gord McFee:
>  :>>  :>
>  :>>  :>> By the way, someone told me that you are using a pseudonym-is this true?
>  :>>  :>
>  :>>  :>HAHAHAHAHAHA!
>  :>>  :> 
>  :>>  :>Pot.Kettle.Black, Mr. Blackmore/Belling/whatever.
>  :>>  
>  :>>  You know him too Sara.  :-)
>  
>  :>This is hilarious.  You can't answer my arguments so you
>  :>yap about what my name is.....keep up the good work...
>  :>a clear admission of impending defeat.....
>  
>  No one is trying to "defeat" you.  But since you claim such unmitigated
>  victory, you will not mind my posting your real name, will you?
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
The only thing relative here is the subject at
hand-the truth or falsity of the holocaust.  Deal
with that.  We won't be sending each other
Christmas Cards....


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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  >>  rb
>  >.
>  >>  
>  >>  It doesn't show that you have done a thing. It also appears that you
>  >>  are not at all familiar with all the sources concerning Streicher. It
>  >>  also shows that your comparisons do nothing to support your denials of
>  >>  the Holocaust anyway. Streicher isn't all that important.
>  >>  
>  
>  >>>>>
>  >Streicher isn't all that important.  I agree.  So why was he at Nuremberg?
>  
>  What did you learn from reading Bradley F. Smith's book?
>  What does Conot say?
>  What does Telford Taylor say?
>  
>  You tell us what you really know and we'll say if you passed the test
>  or not.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
I never enrolled in your phoney history class.


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct 10 16:20:52 PDT 1996
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>

>  :>So you're saying that if someone doens't finish a job it's the same as
>  :>if they had never tried to do it at all??  Yeah, right.
>  
>  Mr. "Blackmore" has simply finished his descent into the denier mire.

No, what I am saying is that 75%! of France's Jews were not
deported and exterminated, in spite of this thesis of yours
that the nazis were out to murder them all.  In fact, of the 25%
who were deported, how percentage of them do you believe
were gassed?  How many of them returned to France at the 
end of the war or emigrated?. 
>  
>  
rb>  
>>>>



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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <53fsgr$n8q@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  :>
>  :>>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  :>
>  :>
>  :>>  
>  :>>  The fact that European Jewry was not exterminated has nothing to do with
>  :>>  whether the Nazis _tried_ to exterminate European Jewry.  But you knew that.
>  :>
>  :>I have to disagree with that one completely. 
>  :> If it had been their intention to exterminate the Jews
>  :>within their sphere of control, then there would not
>  :>have been a survivor left.  The very fact that only
>  :>25% of France's Jewish population was ever deported
>  :>disproves your thesis.
>  
>  Oh bullshit, Mr. "Blackmore".  Simply to state an intent means that one is
>  100% successful or the intent was never stated?  What rubbish.  They managed
>  to kill 90% of Polish Jews.  Is that a high enough percentage for you, or
>  would you prefer they had killed the entire 100%?
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
Prove they killed 90% of Poland's Jews.  You are ignoring
the fact that the majority of Italy's Jews, as well as Hungary's
were not deported as well.  I fail to see the connection, then,
with an intent to exterminate all the Jews who fell within the 
Nazi orbit.  BTW, I would have preferred that the Second World
War never happened.  I would rather "Give Peace a Chance."


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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On 10 Oct 1996 20:20:12 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  

>  
>  How tiresome, Herr Belling. Is this the best you have to offer? Better not
>  quit your day job just yet.
>  
>  
>>>>
Why don't you just deal with what I have posted here directly?
Always dodging the issues.....well, the facts speak for themselves.
I have posted scores of examples concerning the torture of germans
to obtain false confessions.  Your citation is another "show trial confession."
Deal with it.  BYW, if I have a "day job", why I am I posting in the daytime?


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

I have read Fritzsche's book.  He does not
>  claim he was tortured or otherwise mistreated at Nuremberg, which was the
>  source of this thread.

Oh, but it does say he was tormented and
 mistreated.  Read it again please.  I gave you
the page numbers.

  I challenge to quote one reference where he claims he
>  was tortured at Nuremberg.

I din't say he was tortured at Nuremberg.  However, he
was "tormented" and "mistreated".  His interrogation
and treatment in the USSR was torture, however, and they
were among the judges and prosecutors at Nuremberg.

  I also challenge to find one source where Frank or
>  Streicher say they were mistreated at Nuremberg.
>  
>  :>
>  :>  Please post the
>  :>>  citations for Frank and Streicher having been tortured.  Or else, admit you
>  :>>  are making it up as you go along.
>  :>
>  :>I already referred you to two sources.  BTW,
>  :> I NEVER make it up as I go along.  If I did
>  :>not have sources, I would state that it was
>  :>merely "my opinion", as I have in the past. 
>  
>  You have posted no sources for Streicher and Frank having been tortured at
>  Nuremberg.  You obviously know nothing of Frank's behaviour at Nuremberg.

FYI, I have read ALL the volumes of the Nuremberg trial.
I know all about Frank's behavior at Nuremberg, and yes, he
was tortured by his captors.  Source for the torture of Streicher
is in Fritzsche's book, it was also referred to directly at Nuremberg, 
and you may read it in Maser's book "Nuremberg" pages 49-53.
Maser also refers to the torture of Hans Frank in the same book.
Now, are you satifisfied that I have provided you with the sources
to research and confirm these statements?  And do you admit
that Maser is far from being a revisionist?

rb
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  --
>

>  
>>>>



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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:
>  
>  >rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  >
>  >[snip]
>  >
>  >>Don't worry about the color....it was described by Artur
>  >>Breitweiser, Chief of Disinfestation at Auschwitz.  By the
>  >>way, he was declared Not Guilty at the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trials.
>  >>Better start runing before the collapsing Holocaust story falls right
>  >>on your head.
>  >
>  >The collapsing Holocaust story?
>  >
>  >Thank you for finally clarifying that you are in fact a Holocaust
>  >denier.
>  >
>  
>  Yup, he is publically out of the closet now. He's prgressing fast from
>  trivializer to total distortionist. 
>  
>  
>  
>>>>
Thanks for ignoring the issue as usual.


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From: rblackmore@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
Date: 9 Oct 1996 11:17:32 GMT
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  >  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >  >  The water was NOT pumped in from the river until FIVE days
>  >  >later, after they had scrounged throughout the camp for equipment.  For an 
>  attorney,
>  >  >you really are making yourself look ridiculous here.  Go get a cup of coffee, 
>  wake
>  >  >up, read the testimony which confirms what I just told you, and then get back 
>  to me.
>    
>  >  Provide the proper citation for us all. The absence of this particular
>  >  citation and your refusal to do so is becoming telling.
>  
>  	The really strange part is the utter mutability of blackmore's claim.  He 
>  started it, all fire and brimstone, claiming that Kramer was innocent becasue it was 
>  impossible to provide water to the inmates.  He is now reduced to the claim that 
>  the British did not supply potable water using the camp's equipment until five days 
>  after they arrived.
>  
>  	This is nothing more or less than a tacit admission that his original 
>  defense of Kramer is untenable.  In the interim he has engaged in baseless 
>  speculation, ipse dixit argument, and ad hominem attacks on those who do not 
>  share his religious beliefs.  Altogether a rather pitful performance.
>  
>  	Another Giwer.
>  
>  	--YFE
Keep on dreaming, Counselor.


From rblackmore@juno.com Thu Oct 10 18:08:09 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it...
Date: 9 Oct 1996 11:55:39 GMT
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

  If the material is false, simply
>  :>say so and prove WHY.
>  
>  Another dodge, Mr. "Blackmore".  Do you _ever_ rationalize your opinions, or
>  are you just a bot?  I was right about Stumpy, wasn't I?  Embarrassed?  Still
>  claim you don't use "revisionist" sources?
>  
>  
>  --
>  Gord McFee
>  I'll write no line before its time
>  
>  
>>>>
I am not in the least embarrassed.  How do you know
where Stumpy got them from?  I will post the sources 
tomorrow. They are not "revisionist".  I won't disappoint
you......Then you will deal with it, right?


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Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it...
Date: 9 Oct 1996 11:56:58 GMT
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>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>  >"Do you have any proof that Germans were tortured in order
>  > to extract confessions?"
>  >
>  >
>  >(Footnotes will be posted separately)
>  >
>  
>  So you have no proof. Once you post the citations we'll deal the
>  article.
>  
>  
>  Mike Curtis E-mail mcurtis@inetport.com
>  
>  Over 365 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi? 
>  Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
>  Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/ (Under construction - permanently!)
>  
>>>>
No problem. It's a foregone conlusion
what you will say anyway.  Talk about
closed minds.....


From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:06:47 PDT 1996
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From: rblackmore@juno.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Apology to Nizkor & Jamie M.
Date: 9 Oct 1996 10:53:18 GMT
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  

  And yes, Frank was also tortured, as well
>  :>as Streicher.
>  
>  I see.  Now we are in true denier mode.  "It's true because! I! say! so!". 
>  Sorry, Mr. "Blackmore", that doesn't cut it.

Mr.  McFee-I gave you a source.  You claim
to have read it, and if you have, you will also
 note how Fritzsche was treated after
he was captured and interrogated by the Russians.
You will also see a reference to Streicher
and how he was tortured.  You will also find a 
section where he relates that Goering was set upon
by one of his guards for simply asking politely for
his chair.  You will also read how the defendants
were deprived of sleep and poked with sticks
constantly.  So, if you read his book it is amazing
that you overlooked all this material.  Aside 
>from  that, I will refer you to Werner Maser's 
book "Nuremberg" to read about how Streicher
was treated in detail.  It was also alleged that
Josef Kramer was tortured, as was Oswald
Pohl.  I will get around to posting all the details
soon, complete with full references.
>  

  Please post the
>  citations for Frank and Streicher having been tortured.  Or else, admit you
>  are making it up as you go along.

I already referred you to two sources.  BTW,
 I NEVER make it up as I go along.  If I did
not have sources, I would state that it was
merely "my opinion", as I have in the past. 


 I never claimed that Speer, von Schirach,
>  :>von Neurath, or Funk were mistreated.  read the names again:
>  :>
>  :>Hess
>  :>Goering
>  :>Streicher
>  :>Frank
>  :>Sauckel
>  
>  Very convenient.  They are all dead.

Exactly.  So is Speer, von Schirach, von Neurath,
Funk, von Papen, and Schacht.
>  
>  :>(Re: complaints of mistreatment and why they didn't complain)
>  :>> Not a single one did. 
>  :>>  Why do you suppose that is?
>  :>
>  :>Fritzsche did, as he was one who was mistreated and lived to tell about it.
>  
>  Bullshit.

OK.  Have it your way.  Here are the relevant page numbers:
15, 45, 46, 47,48,49, 57,88,103.

Concerning the torture of Streicher, read page 208.

Concerning the torture of Frank, see Rupert Butler's
Legions of Death.
>  
>  :>>  As you know, Ley committed suicide, 

>  :>I said Ley committed suicide.  You gave a probable reason.  I gave another.
>  
>  No, I gave the correct reason.  You invented a phoney reason.

I gave a probable reason.
>  
>  :>>  Why _don't_ you use your real name?  You know that I know.
>  :>
>  :>Good for you.  My real name will not affect the content of my arguments.
>  
>  That I will agree with.  There is nothing to affect.

Then why do you bother to respond?
>  
>  
>  --


>>>>



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>   libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  : >   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  
>  :

>  : >  
>  : >  Thank you for finally clarifying that you are in fact a Holocaust
>  : >  denier.

I never said any such thing.  I do deny some aspects
of the Holocaust, but not all.  Now, I suppose that makes
me a "denier".  By the same token, if I were to deny the
alleged reality of certain "miracles", that would make me
an atheist?
>  
>  : Thank you for admitting that you can not debate with
>  : me, but choose instead to throw mud.  
>  
>  How is this throwing mud? 

How?  By avoiding debate and calling me a "denier".
Again, this is similar to calling me an atheist, as many 
tales of the holocaust, being unproven as they are,
become a matter of faith and dogma, over reason.

 If you believe the "Holocaust story" is
>  collapsing, then you must believe it is false. 

I believe much of it is indeed false.


 Ah.  I see.  So if any detail of the historical account of the Holocaust
>  is false, then the story can be regarded as "collapsing?"

Not "any" detail-"many" details.  
>  


>  
>  Name some "exposed Holocaust falsifications," and I for one will react
>  to them.  So far, you haven't done so well.
>  
>  Bill
>  
>>>>
I think I have been doing just fine.  If you like, refer
to my posts "Add this one to the discovery channel"
or "Blah blah Blaha, have you any lies?"  That 
should do nicely to start with.  After that, you might
wish to peruse "Soviet Def Comedy Jam-Parts 1-5."
The Blaha posts may be pulled up from Deja News.


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Fifty years ago, on April 15, 1945, British
 troops liberated the Bergen-Belsen concentration
 camp. The anniversary was widely remembered in
official ceremonies and in newspaper articles that,
 as the following essay
shows, distort the camp's true history.

Largely because of the circumstances of its liberation,
 the relatively  unimportant German concentration
 camp of Bergen-Belsen has become -- along
with Dachau and Buchenwald -- an international
 symbol of German barbarism.

The British troops who liberated the Belsen 
camp three weeks before the end
of the war were shocked and disgusted by
 the many unburied corpses and dying
inmates they found there. Horrific photos 
and films of the camp's emaciated
corpses and mortally sick inmates were quickly
 circulated around the globe.Within weeks the British
military occupation newspaper proclaimed: "The
story of that greatest of all exhibitions of 'man's inhumanity
 to man' which was Belsen Concentration Camp is
 known throughout the world." (note 1)

Ghastly images recorded by Allied photographers
 at Belsen in mid-April 1945 and widely reproduced
 ever since have greatly contributed to the camp's
reputation as a notorious extermination center. In fact
, the dead of Bergen-Belsen were, above all, unfortunate
 victims of war and its turmoil, not deliberate policy. It can
 even be argued that they were as much victims
of Allied as of German measures.

The Bergen-Belsen camp was located near
 Hannover in northwestern Germany on
the site of a former army camp for wounded 
prisoners of war. In 1943 it was
established as an internment camp (Aufenthaltslager)
 for European Jews who
were to be exchanged for German citizens held by
 the Allies.

More than 9,000 Jews with citizenship papers
 or passports from Latin American countries, entry
 visas for Palestine, or other documents making
them eligible for emigration, arrived in late 1943
 and 1944 from Poland, France, Holland and othe
r parts of Europe. During the final months of the
war, several groups of these "exchange Jews" were
transported from Axis-occupied Europe. German
 authorities transferred several hundred to
neutral Switzerland, and at least one group of 222
 Jewish detainees was transferred from Belsen
 (by way of neutral Turkey) to British-controlled
Palestine. (note 2)

Until late 1944 conditions were generally better
 than in other concentration camps. Marika Frank
 Abrams, a Jewish woman from Hungary, was transferred
>from  Auschwitz in 1944. Years later she recalled her
arrival at Belsen: "...We were each given two blankets
 and a dish. There was running water and
latrines. We were given food that was edible and didn't
 have to stand for hours to be counted. The conditions
 were so superior to Auschwitz we felt we
were practically in a sanitarium." (note 3)

Inmates normally received three meals a day. Coffee
 and bread were served in the morning and evening,
 with cheese and sausage as available. The main
mid-day meal consisted of one liter of vegetable stew. Families lived
together. Otherwise, men and women were housed in separate barracks. (note
4)

Children were also held there. There were
some 500 Jewish children in Belsen's "No. 1
 Women's Camp" section when British forces arrived. (note 
5)

During the final months of the war, tens of
 thousands of Jews were evacuated
to Belsen from Auschwitz and other eastern
 camps threatened by the advancing
Soviets. Belsen became severely overcrowded as the number of inmates
increased from 15,000 in December 1944 to 42,000 at the beginning of March
1945, and more than 50,000 a month later. (note 6)

Many of these Jewish prisoners had chosen
 to be evacuated westwards with
their German captors rather than remain in eastern camps to await liberation
by Soviet forces. (note 7)

So catastrophic had conditions become
 during the final months of the war
that about a third of the prisoners evacuated
 to Belsen in February and
March 1945 perished during the journey and were dead on arrival. (note 8)

As order broke down across Europe during
 those chaotic final months, regular
deliveries of food and medicine to the camp stopped. Foraging trucks were
sent to scrounge up whatever supplies of bread, potatoes and turnips were
available in nearby towns. (note 9)

Epidemic

Disease was kept under control by routinely
 disinfecting all new arrivals.
But in early February 1945 a large transport of
Hungarian Jews was admitted
while the disinfection facility was out of order
. As a result, typhus broke
out and quickly spread beyond control. (note 10)

Commandant Josef Kramer quarantined the
 camp in an effort to save lives, but
SS camp administration headquarters in Berlin
 insisted that Belsen be kept
open to receive still more Jewish evacuees arriving from the East. The death
rate soon rose to 400 a day. (note 11)

The worst killer was typhus, but typhoid
 fever and dysentery also claimed
many lives. Aggravating the situation was
 a policy during the final months
of transferring already sick inmates from other camps to Belsen, which was
then officially designated a sick or convalescence camp (Krankenlager). The
sick women of Auschwitz, for example, were transferred to Belsen in three
groups in November-December 1944. (note 12)

When SS chief Heinrich Himmler learned
 of the typhus outbreak at
Bergen-Belsen, he immediately issued an
order to all appropriate officials
requiring that "all medical means necessary to combat the epidemic should be
employed ... There can be no question of skimping either with doctors or
medical supplies." However, the general breakdown of order that prevailed on
Germany by this time made it impossible to implement the command. (note 
13

'Belsen Worst'

Violette Fintz, a Jewish woman who had
 been deported from the island of
Rhodes to Auschwitz in mid-1944, and
 then to Dachau and, finally, in early
1945, to Belsen, later compared conditions
 in the different camps: (note 
14)

  "Belsen was in the beginning bearable
 and we had bunks to sleep on,
     and a small ration of soup and bread. But as the camp got fuller,
     our group and many others were given
 a barracks to hold about
     seven hundred lying on the floor without blankets and without food
     or anything. It was a pitiful scene as the camp was attacked by
     lice and most of the people had typhus and cholera ... Many people
     talk about Auschwitz -- it was a horrible camp. But Belsen, no
     words can describe it ... From my experience and suffering, Belsen
     was the worst."   

Belsen's most famous inmate was doubtless
 Anne Frank, who had been evacuated
>from  Auschwitz in late October 1994. She
 succumbed to typhus in March 1945,
three or four weeks before liberation.

Kramer Reports a 'Catastrophe'

In a March 1, 1945, letter to Gruppenfuehrer
 (General) Richard Gl=FCcks, head
of the SS camp administration agency
, Commandant Kramer reported in detail
on the catastrophic situation in the Bergen-Belsen,
 and pleaded for help:
(note 15)

     "If I had sufficient sleeping accommodation at my disposal, then
     the accommodation of the detainees who have already arrived and of
     those still to come would appear more possible. In addition to
     this question a spotted fever and typhus epidemic has now begun,
     which increases in extent every day. The daily mortality rate,
     which was still in the region of 60-70 at the beginning of
     February, has in the meantime attained a daily average of 250-300
     and will increase still further in view of the conditions which at
     present prevail.

     Supply. When I took over the camp,
 winter supplies for 1500
     internees had been indented for; some
 had been received, but the
     greater part had not been delivered.
 This failure was due not only
     to difficulties of transport, but also to
 the fact that practically nothing is available in
 this area and all must be  brought from
 outside the area .

     For the last four days there has been no delivery [of food] from
     Hannover owing to interrupted communications, and I shall be
     compelled, if this state of affairs prevails till the end of the
     week, to fetch bread also by means of truck from Hannover. The
     trucks allotted to the local unit are in no way adequate for this
     work, and I am compelled to ask for at least three to four trucks
     and five to six trailers. When I once have here a means of towing
     then I can send out the trailers into the surrounding area ... The
     supply question must, without fail, be cleared up in the next few
     days. I ask you, Gruppenfuehrer, for an allocation of transport ..

     State of Health. The incidence of disease is very high here in
     proportion to the number of detainees. When you interviewed me on
     Dec. 1, 1944, at Oranienburg, you told me that Bergen-Belsen was
     to serve as a sick camp for all concentration camps in north
     Germany. The number of sick has greatly increased, particularly on
     account of the transports of detainees that have arrived from the
     East in recent times -- these transports have sometimes spent
     eight or fourteen days in open trucks .

     The fight against spotted fever is made
 extremely difficult by the
     lack of means of disinfection. Due to constant
 use, the hot-air delousing machine is now in bad
 working order  and sometimes fails  for several days .

     A catastrophe is taking place for which no one wishes to assume
     responsibility ... Gruppenfuehrer, I can assure you that from this
     end everything will be done to overcome the present crisis ...

     I am now asking you for your assistance as it lies in your power.
     In addition to the above-mentioned points I need here, before
     everything, accommodation facilities, beds, blankets, eating
     utensils -- all for about 20,000 internees ... I implore your help
     in overcoming this situation.

Under such terrible conditions, Kramer did
 everything in his power to reduce
suffering and prevent death among the
 inmates, even appealing to the
hard-pressed German army. "I don't know
 what else to do," he told
high-ranking army officers. "I have reached
 the limit. Masses of people are
dying. The drinking water supply has broken
 down. A trainload of food was
destroyed by low-flying [Allied] war planes. 
Something must be done
immediately." (note 16)

Working together with both Commandant
 Kramer and chief inmate representative
Kuestermeier, Colonel Hans Schmidt
responded by arranging for the local
volunteer fire department to provide water
 He also saw to it that food
supplies were brought to the camp from abandoned rail cars
. Schmidt later recalled that Kramer "did not at
 all impress one as a criminal type. He
acted like an upright and rather honorable man
. Neither did he strike me as someone with a guilty
 conscience. He worked with great dedication to improve
conditions in the camp. For example, he rounded up horse drawn vehicles to
bring food to the camp from rail cars that had been shot up." (note 17)

"I was swamped," Kramer later explained to
 incredulous British military
interrogators: (note 18)

     The camp was not really inefficient before you [British and
     American forces] crossed the Rhine. There was running water,
     regular meals of a kind -- I had to accept what food I was given
     for the camp and distribute it the best way I could. But then they
     suddenly began to send me trainloads of new prisoners from all
     over Germany. It was impossible to cope with them. I appealed for
     more staff, more food. I was told that this was impossible. I had
     to carry on with what I had.

     Then as a last straw the Allies bombed the electric plant that
     pumped our water. Loads of food were unable to reach the camp
     because of the Allied fighters. Then things really got out of
     hand. During the last six weeks I have been helpless. I did not
     even have sufficient staff to bury the dead, let alone segregate
     the sick ... I tried to get medicines and food for the prisoners
     and I failed. I was swamped. I may have been hated, but I was
     doing my duty.

Kramer's clear conscience is also suggested by the fact that he made no
effort to save his life by fleeing, but instead calmly awaited the
approaching British forces, naively confident of decent treatment. "When
Belsen Camp was eventually taken over by the Allies," he later stated, "I
was quite satisfied that I had done all I possibly could under the
circumstances to remedy the conditions in the camp." (note 19)

Negotiated Transfer

As British forces approached Bergen-Belsen,
 German authorities sought to
turn over the camp to the British so that it
 would not become a combat zone.
After some negotiation, it was peacefully
 transferred, with an agreement
that "both British and German troops
 will make every effort to avoid battle
in the area." (note 20)

A revealing account of the circumstances
 under which the British took
control appeared in a 1945 issue of The
 Journal of the American Medical
Association: (note 21)

     "By negotiations between British and German officers, British
     troops took over from the SS and the Wehrmacht the task of
     guarding the vast concentration camp at Belsen, a few miles
     northwest of Celle, which contains 60,000 prisoners, many of them
     political. This has been done because typhus is rampant in the
     camp and it is vital that no prisoners be released until the
     infection is checked. The advancing British agreed to refrain from
     bombing or shelling the area of the camp, and the Germans agreed
     to leave behind an armed guard which would be allowed to return to
     their own lines a week after the British arrival.

     The story of the negotiations is curious. Two German officers
     presented themselves before the British outposts and explained
     that there were 9,000 sick in the camp and that all sanitation had
     failed. They proposed that the British should occupy the camp at
     once, as the responsibility was international in the interests of
     health. In return for the delay caused by the truce the Germans
     offered to surrender intact the bridges over the river Aller.
     After brief consideration the British senior officer rejected the
     German proposals, saying it was necessary that the British should
     occupy an area of ten kilometers round the camp in order to be
     sure of keeping their troops and lines of communication away from
     the disease. The British eventually took over the camp."

Brutal Mistreatment

On April 15, 1945, Belsen's commanders turned over
 the camp to British
troops, who lost no time mistreating the SS camp
 personnel. The Germans were
beaten with rifle butts, kicked, and stabbed with
 bayonets. Most were shot
or worked to death. (note 22)

British journalist Alan Moorehead described
 the treatment of some of the
camp personnel shortly after the takeover: (note 23)

     "As we approached the cells of the SS guards, the [British]
     sergeant's language become ferocious. "We had had an interrogation
     this morning," the captain said. 'I'm afraid they are not a pretty
     sight.' ... The sergeant unbolted the first door and ... strode
     into the cell, jabbing a metal spike in front of him. "Get up," he
     shouted. "Get up. Get up, you dirty bastards." There were half a
     dozen men lying or half lying on the floor. One or two were able
     to pull themselves erect at once. The man nearest me, his shirt
     and face spattered with blood, made two attempts before he got on
     to his knees and then gradually on to his feet. He stood with his
     arms stretched out in front of him, trembling violently.

     "Come on. Get up," the sergeant shouted [in the next cell]. The
     man was lying in his blood on the floor, a massive figure with a
     heavy head and bedraggled beard ... "Why don't you kill me?" he
     whispered. "Why don't you kill me? I can't stand it any more." The
     same phrases dribbled out of his lips over and over again. "He's
     been saying that all morning, the dirty bastard," the sergeant
     said."

Commandant Kramer, who was vilified in the British
 and American press as
"The Beast of Belsen" and "The Monster of
 Belsen," was put on trial and then
executed, along with chief=20physician Dr.
 Fritz Klein and other camp
officials. At his trial, Kramer's defense
 attorney, Major T.C.M. Winwood,
predicted: "When the curtain finally rings
 down on this stage Josef Kramer
will, in my submission, stand forth not as
 'The Beast of Belsen' but as 'The
Scapegoat of Belsen'." (note 24)

In an "act of revenge," the British
 liberators expelled the residents of the
nearby town of Bergen, and then permitted
 camp inmates to loot the houses
and buildings. Much of the town was also
 set on fire. (note 25)

Postwar Deaths

There were some 55,000 to 60,000 prisoners
 in Bergen-Belsen when the British
took control of the camp. The new administrators
 proved no more capable of
mastering the chaos than the Germans had been,
 and some 14,000 Jewish
inmates died at Belsen in the months following
 the British takeover. (note
26)

Although still occasionally referred to as
 an "extermination camp" or "mass
murder" center, the truth about Bergen-Belsen
 has been quietly acknowledged
by scholars. (note 27) In his 1978 survey of
 German history, University of
Erlangen professor Helmut Diwald wrote
 of (note 28)

     "... The notorious Bergen-Belsen concentration camp where 50,000
     inmates were supposedly murdered. Actually, about 7,000 inmates
     died during the period when the camp existed, from 1943 to 1945.
     Most of them died in the final months of the war as a result of
     disease and malnutrition -- consequences of the bombings that had
     completely disrupted normal deliveries of medical supplies and
     food. The British commander who took control of the camp after the
     capitulation testified that crimes on a large scale had not taken
     place at Bergen-Belsen."

Martin Broszat, Director of the Institute for Contemporary History in
Munich, wrote in 1976: (note 29)

     "... In Bergen-Belsen, for example, thousands
 of corpses of Jewish
     prisoners were found by British soldiers on the
 day of liberation,
     which gave the impression that this was one
 of the notorious
     extermination camps. Actually, many Jews  
 in Bergen-Belsen as well
     as in the satellite camps of Dachau died in the last weeks before
     the end of the war as a result of the quickly improvised
     retransfers and evacuations of Jewish workers from the still
     existing ghettos, work camps and concentration camps in the East
     (Auschwitz) ..

Dr. Russell Barton, an English physician who
 spent a month in Bergen-Belsen
after the war with the British Army, has also
 explained the reasons for the
catastrophic conditions found there: (note 30)

     "Most people attributed the conditions of the inmates to deliberate
     intention on the part of the Germans in general and the camp
     administrators in particular. Inmates were eager to cite examples
     of brutality and neglect, and visiting journalists from different
     countries interpreted the situation according to the needs of
     propaganda at home.

     For example, one newspaper emphasized the wickedness of the
     "German masters" by remarking that some of the 10,000 unburied
     dead were naked. In fact, when the dead were taken from a hut and
     left in the open for burial, other prisoners would take their
     clothing from them ...

     German medical officers told me that it had been increasingly
     difficult to transport food to the camp for some months. Anything
     that moved on the autobahns was likely to be bombed ...

     I was surprised to find records, going back for two or three
     years, of large quantities of food cooked daily for distribution.
     I became convinced, contrary to popular opinion, that there had
     never been a policy of deliberate starvation. This was confirmed
     by the large numbers of well-fed inmates. Why then were so many
     people suffering from malnutrition?... The major reasons for the
     state of Belsen were disease, gross overcrowding by central
     authority, lack of law and order within the huts, and inadequate
     supplies of food, water and drugs.

     n trying to assess the causes of the conditions=20found in Belsen
     one must be alerted to the tremendous visual display, ripe for
     purposes of propaganda, that masses of starved corpses presented."

Gas Chamber Myths

Some former inmates and a few historians have claimed that Jews were put to
death in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen. For example, an "authoritative" work
published shortly after the end of the war, A History of World War II,
informed readers: "In Belsen, [Commandant] Kramer kept an orchestra to play
him Viennese music while he watched children torn from their mothers to be
burned alive. Gas chambers disposed of thousands of persons daily." (note
31)

In Jews, God and History, Jewish historian Max Dimont wrote of gassings at
Bergen-Belsen. (note 32) A semi-official work published in Poland in 1981
claimed that women and babies were "put to death in gas chambers" at Belsen.
(note 33)

In 1945 the Associated Press news agency reported: (note 34)

     "In Lueneburg, Germany, a Jewish physician, testifying at the trial
     of 45 men and women for war crimes at the Belsen and Oswiecim
     [Auschwitz] concentration camps, said that 80,000 Jews,
     representing the entire ghetto of Lodz, Poland, had been gassed or
     burned to death in one night at the Belsen camp."

Five decades after the camp's liberation, British army Captain Robert
Daniell recalled seeing "the gas chambers" there. (note 35)

Years after the war, Robert Spitz, a Hungarian Jew, remembered taking a
shower at Belsen in February 1945: "... It was delightful. What I didn't
know then was that there were other showers in the same building where gas
came out instead of water." (note 36)

Another former inmate, Moshe Peer, recalled a miraculous escape from death
as an eleven-year-old in the camp. In a 1993 interview with a Canadian
newspaper, the French-born Peer claimed that he "was sent to the [Belsen]
camp gas chamber at least six times." The newspaper account went on to
relate: "Each time he survived, watching with horror as many of the women
and children gassed with him collapsed and died. To this day, Peer doesn't
know how he was able to survive." In an effort to explain the miracle, Peer
mused: "Maybe children resist better, I don't know." (Although Peer claimed
that "Bergen-Belsen was worse than Auschwitz," he acknowledged that he and
his younger brother and sister, who were deported to the camp in 1944, all
somehow survived internment there.) (note 37)

Such gas chamber tales are entirely fanciful. As early as 1960, historian
Martin Broszat had publicly repudiated the Belsen gassing story. These days
no reputable scholar supports it. (note 38)

Exaggerated Death Estimates

Estimates of the number of people who died in Bergen-Belsen have ranged
widely over the years. Many have been irresponsible exaggerations. Typical
is a 1985 York Daily News report, which told readers that "probably 100,000
died at Bergen-Belsen." (note 39) An official German government publication
issued in 1990 declared that "more than 50,000 people had been murdered" in
the Belsen camp under German control, and "an additional 13,000 died in the
first weeks after liberation." (note 40)

Closer to the truth is the Encyclopaedia Judaica, which maintains that
37,000 perished in the camp before the British takeover, and another 14,000
afterwards. (note 41)

Whatever the actual number of dead, Belsen's victims were not "murdered,"
and the camp was not an "extermination" center.

Black Market Center

>From  1945 until 1950, when it was finally shut down, the British maintained
Belsen as a camp for displaced European Jews. During this period it achieved
new notoriety as a major European black market center. The "uncrowned king"
of Belsen's 10,000 Jews was Yossl (Josef) Rosensaft, who amassed tremendous
profits from the illegal trading. Rosensaft had been interned in various
camps, including Auschwitz, before arriving in Belsen in early April 1945.
(note 42)

British Lieutenant General Sir Frederick Morgan, chief of "displaced
persons" operations in postwar Germany for the United Nations relief
organization UNRRA recalled in his memoir that (note 43)

     "under Zionist auspices there had been organized at Belsen a vast
     illegitimate trading organization with worldwide ramifications and
     dealing in a wide range of goods, principally precious metals and
     stones. A money market dealt with a wide range of currencies.
     Goods were being imported in cryptically marked containers
     consigned in UNRRA shipments to Jewish voluntary agencies ..."

Legacy

A kind of memorial center now draws many tourists annually to the camp site. Not surprisingly, Bergen's 13,000 residents are not very pleased with their town's infamous reputation. Citizens report being called "murderers" during visits to foreign countries. (note 44) In striking contrast to the widely-accepted image of Belsen, which is essentially a product of hateful wartime propaganda, is the suppressed, albeit grim, historical reality. In truth, the Bergen-Belsen story may be regarded as the Holocaust story in miniature. Notes 1. Walter Laqueur, The Terrible Secret: Suppression of the Truth about Hitler's 'Final Solution' (Boston: Little Brown, 1980), p. 1. 2. Testimony of Commandant Kramer in: Raymond Phillips, ed., Trial of Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others (The Belsen Trial) (London: William Hodge, 1949), p. 160; "Bergen-Belsen," Encyclopaedia Judaica (New York and Jerusalem: Macmillan and Keter, 1971), Vol. 4, p. 610. According to this source, one group of 136 of these "exchange Jews" was deported from Belsen during the war to neutral Switzerland, and another group of 222 was transferred to Palestine.; According to an Israeli newspaper report, a group of 222 "exchange" Jews reportedly left Bergen-Belsen on June 29, 1944, and, by way of Istanbul, arrived in Palestine on July 10. (Israel Nachrichten, quoted in: D. National-Zeitung, Munich, Sept. 23, 1994, p. 5) 3. Sylvia Rothchild, ed., Voices from the Holocaust (New York: NAL, 1981), p. 190. 4. Josef Kramer statement (1945) in: R. Phillips, Trial of Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others, pp. 731-737. This is also in: Arthur Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century (Newport Beach: Institute for Historical Review, 1993), pp. 272-274. 5. R. Phillips, Trial of Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others, pp. 19, 32, 33; Roman Hrabar, with Zofia Tokarz and J. E. Wilczur, The Fate of Polish Children During the Last War (Warsaw: Interpress, 1981), p. 76. 6. Encyclopaedia Judaica, Vol. 4, p. 610; Gedenkbuch: Opfer der Verfolgung der Juden unter der nationsozialistischen Gewaltherrschaft (Koblenz: Bundesarchiv, 1986; 2 vols.), pp. 1761-1762. 7. Testimony of Dr. Russell Barton, Feb. 7, 1985, in the first "Holocaust" trial of Ernst Z=FCndel. Official trial transcript, pp. 2916-2917; See also Barton's testimony during the second, 1988 Z=FCndel trial in: Barbara Kulaszka, ed., Did Six Million Really Die? (Toronto: Samisdat, 1992), p. 175, and, Robert Lenski, The Holocaust on Trial: The Case of Ernst Z=FCndel (Decatur, Ala.: Reporter Press, 1990), p. 159. 8. Testimony of Commandant Kramer in: R. Phillips, Trial of Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others, p. 162. 9. Josef Kramer statement (1945) in: R. Phillips, ed., Trial of Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others, pp. 731-737. Also in: A. Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, p. 274. 10. Derrick Sington, Belsen Uncovered (London: 1946), pp. 117-118. Quoted in: A. Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, pp. 34-35; Gerald Reitlinger, The Final Solution (London: Sphere Books, pb., 1971), p. 504 (note). 11. R. Phillips, ed., Trial of Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others, pp. 152-153, 166-167, 734, 736; Tom Bower, Blind Eye to Murder (London: Granada, 1983), p. 224; Dr. Ernst von Briesen, "Was passierte in Bergen-Belsen wirklich?," D. National-Zeitung (Munich), Jan. 13, 1984, pp. 4, 5, 8. 12. G.Reitlinger, The Final Solution, p. 497 (and 638, n. 23). 13. Andre Biss, A Million Jews to Save (New York: A.S. Barnes, 1975), pp.= 20 242, 249-250; Felix Kersten, The Kersten Memoirs, 1940-1945 (New York= : Macmillan, 1957), p. 276. 14. Martin Gilbert, The Holocaust (New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1986), pp. 722, 785-786. 15. R. Phillips, ed., Trial of Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others, pp. 163-166. 16. Signed report by retired Colonel (Oberst a.D.) Hanns Schmidt to Kurt Mehner and Lt. Colonel Bechtold, Braunschweig, March 3, 1981. Photocopy in authors collection. Article by Mark Weber. For once I am quoting a revisionist, simply because the article is so well-researched From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:06:50 PDT 1996 Article: 73255 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Rblackmore is still a liar....Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:02:16 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 65 Message-ID: <53l9fo$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > In article <53fs8k$n8q@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > I'll again call you a hypocrite What else is new? Name-calling seems to be about the only thing you CAN do..... . If you're so upset about incorrect > figures, I'm not in the least bit "upset". The Holocaust figures are fabrications, and these posts are proving it. then you should correct them, instead of constantly whining about > them. It is you who is whining. Your Holocaust promoters are turning out to be liars. That you choose to take this route shows again that you have no real > interest in the truth, It is you who fears the truth..... nor do you have any evidence whatsoever which would > contradict the FACT of the HOLOCAAUST. Whatever that is..... In any event, you're still a liar, > since my accusation was that you HAD NO PROOF that the DISCOVERY CHANNEL > was KNOWINGLY MISLEADING THE PUBLIC. I said either knowingly or irresponsibly.... Since you have yet to properly address > this claim with either proof or a retraction, that makes you (still) a > liar. You're also a liar because of the distortion you present above > regarding the claim I made. Sure, Raj, sure.... > > With respect to setting the publishers 'straight', I'd suggest that if you > are so concerned about this figure then you take the time to correct the > publishers Nope. Not interested. You claim to be an apostle of truth, so keep your word, and contact these perpetrators of fraud. f you want me to do it, you'll have to e-mail me a digitized > picture of the offending article, from the most recent edition. (By the > way, you failed to mention what year the 11th edition is from.) Nope. I post what I post. Visit a library. I'm sure you'll find a copy there. BTW, I mentioned the year already-1961. > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:06:51 PDT 1996 Article: 73256 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: "Der Stuermer"-Hitler's Favorite Mag? Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:03:46 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 34 Message-ID: <53l9ii$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <325E44BA.7EE5@pacbell.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > chien@pacbell.net writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > > > > bodhi@sattva.org (Bodhisattva) writes: > > > In article <52vnmn$gs4@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > > > > > > > bodhi@sattva.org (Bodhisattva) writes: > > > > > In article <52t8pf$i6t@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Your argument is a non-sequitor. > > > > > > By the way, NO group of people paraphrase and quote out of context more > > > > > than supporters > > > > > > of the Holocaust. > > > > > > > > > > All this from someone who has never read Spinoza (or anything else that is > > > > > not John Grisham) > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > Who is John Grisham? I have read Spinoza, as well as Marx, Nietzsche, > > > Hegel, Kant, > > > > Schopenhauer, Spencer, Darwin, Bertrand Russell, John Stuart Mill, Henry > > > Thoreau, > > > > Voltaire, etc. among others. Now, what is your point? > > > > > > Sure you have, pal. Sure you have. > > > > One person I haven't read is John Grisham. > > Better luck next time. > > > > > >>>> > Damn, I think I went to school with those guys in Cleveland. > >>>> Did they "deny" the Holocaust too? From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:06:51 PDT 1996 Article: 73260 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!news1.hay.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:22:37 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 12 Message-ID: <53lalt$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53dj0s$l5o@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > The request was to post his comments in the Simpson Report or > testimony under oath. You have not even quoted him directly. You gave a > hearsay account of a speech before a Rotary Club. > > --YFE > >>His speech was quoted verbatim. Live with it.>> From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:06:52 PDT 1996 Article: 73261 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:15:06 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 21 Message-ID: <53la7q$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > # I already posted something concerning Ehlert's comments and > # testimony a while back. > > Yes. You speculated that she lied when she said Kramer told > her, regarding the Belsen inmates, "let them die, why should > you care". > > Any proof that she lied? Of course not. > > You seem to have a serious crush on Kramer. You obviously believe > he's a reliable witness. Right? > > > -Danny Keren. > > >>>> He is a better witness than you are a historian. From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:06:53 PDT 1996 Article: 73262 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs) Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:21:16 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 25 Message-ID: <53lajc$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3263560f.16522806@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > > > I think that the overall thrust of your posts create the impression > that you deny the historicity of the Holocaust, and I think you > dislike being called a "denier" because it places you among the kooks, > crackpots, and cultists who so grandly title themselves > "revisionists." Your careless use of phrases like "the collapsing > Holocaust story" does nothing to change that impression. > > -- > John Morris > at University of Alberta > > >>>> Perhaps not, but it is indeed collapsing. It took 50 years before the fabricated figure of 4 million "gassed" at Auschwitz was finally chiseled out of the massive stone slabs adorning the entrance of the Auschwitz museum, where the Pope genuflected in the 1980's. The figure was based on a Soviet LIE, which was propagated irresponsibly throughout the world, and all the rationalizing in the world will not change this fact. From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:06:53 PDT 1996 Article: 73263 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:13:52 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 40 Message-ID: <53la5g$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53jq1d$qtj@lendl.cc.emory.edu> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > : Prove they killed 90% of Poland's Jews. You are ignoring > : the fact that the majority of Italy's Jews, as well as Hungary's > : were not deported as well. I fail to see the connection, then, > : with an intent to exterminate all the Jews who fell within the > : Nazi orbit. > > Almost no Jews were deported from Denmark; you forgot to include that > with your "evidence." > > The Nazis were not omnipotent, Mr. Belling. They had to maintain > control of the countries within their orbit, and they couldn't risk > fractured alliances or general revolt while they were in the midst > of a war. They acted with great brutality when it suited their > purpose, and they employed diplomacy when that worked. In some > countries, there was resistance to the deportation of Jews, and > the Jews of these countries suffered less. > > Even in the Reich itself and in Poland, the Nazis couldn't simply > march through the streets shooting every Jew they saw. There were > appearances to be maintained and logistics to work out. There was > war-related labor to be gotten out of the Jews before they were > disposed of. There were Germans--even prominent Nazis--who continually > intervened for "favored" Jews. The details of the Nazi racial > pseudoscience had to be nailed down, so that it could be determined > who was Jewish enough to need killing. If Hitler had been a magician, > perhaps he could have made all the Jews disappear. If he had been > a divine king in the tradition of ancient Egypt or Mayan America, > perhaps he could have ordered the destruction of the Jews and seen > it carried out in a short. He was, however, merely a politically > talented madman, and he had to deal with reality. It wasn't his > fault so many Jews survived--he really did do his best, Mr. Belling. > > Bill > >>>> You did your best too, but it just doesn't cut it...... rb From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:06:54 PDT 1996 Article: 73264 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:12:28 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 9 Message-ID: <53la2s$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53jkbi$ack@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes: (Irrelevant drivel) > >>>> But the lie of 4 million Jewish "gassed" at Auschwitz was officially chiseled out of the massive slabs in front of the Auschwitz Museum in 1994! Let's talk about that one for a while. From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:06:55 PDT 1996 Article: 73265 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:08:57 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 29 Message-ID: <53l9s9$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > In article <53fsgr$n8q@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > > > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > > > > > > > > > > The fact that European Jewry was not exterminated has nothing to do with > > > whether the Nazis _tried_ to exterminate European Jewry. But you knew > > > that. > > > > I have to disagree with that one completely. > > If it had been their intention to exterminate the Jews > > within their sphere of control, then there would not > > have been a survivor left. The very fact that only > > 25% of France's Jewish population was ever deported > > disproves your thesis. > > His position is that the fact that the Nazi's failed in their attempt to > kill all the Jews does not negate the fact of their intent. > > Your claim is that their failure does indeed negate the fact of their > intent. Your leap of logic is idiotic at best. Because Hitler failed (as he > always did) to achieve his goal, that doesn't mean that he didn't try to do > it. > >>>> And you are left with the fact that 75% of France's Jews were untouched....... From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:06:55 PDT 1996 Article: 73267 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45 Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:29:18 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 46 Message-ID: <53lb2e$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53jut9$7de@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > > > No. Ire ferred you to a pathologist's report rendered by a medical expert. > You refused to look it up. Don't change the subject. You will only embarrass yourself. Nysili's deposition in 1945 > I have the Lifton book, but I am not interested in a deposition from a person who never testified to his comments in a trial. Also, there still is no proof that this person ever existed. > > You really are a rather lazy researcher. You speak of lazy researchers? Where are the toxicological tests you claimed were done on alleged gassing victims at dachau, which you claimed to have? > > > > > I haven't made criminal accusations against people. > > > > > You most certainly have. As one example you have, falsely, accused > > > the investigators of the Malmedy massacre of phsyically torturing German > soldiers to > > > extract confessions. > > > And I will state it again-it is true. > > Exactly. Now prove it. Start with the Simpson Report and prove that it is > in error. Your Simpson reprt was a whitewash. What Judge van Roden said was the truth. > > > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:06:56 PDT 1996 Article: 73268 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it... Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:34:12 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 39 Message-ID: <53lbbk$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <32614aca.13637008@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >> jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > > >> rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > snip] > > >> >Why don't you just deal with the documents, rather than stumpy > >> >or anyone else. This is one of your main faults and your weakest > >> >points....you NEVER deal with uncomfortable documentation which > >> >shows you to possess double standards. If the material is false, simply > >> >say so and prove WHY. > > >> What documents? All I have seen are little snippets of quotes from > >> unknown documents. > > >> Perhaps if you provided the promised footnotes? > > >I'll post them. Then what? > > Then someone, possibly myself if I have time, will check to see if you > have quoted accurately without deleting relevant information that > might give a different meaning to what you have posted. > > Until then, all you have posted are unsubstantiated and unverifiable > allegations. > > -- > John Morris > at University of Alberta > -- > The Nizkor Project | http://www.nizkor.org/ > >>>> They are now posted under: "Let's not be beastly to the Sources". After you research them and discover that they have been quoted correctly, I hope to hear from you. From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:06:57 PDT 1996 Article: 73271 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!news1.hay.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: THE MANY-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:48:02 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 26 Message-ID: <53lc5i$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <325bbb2c.3176661@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > [snip] > > >Please don't attempt to second guess me, Mr. Morris. > >It is condescending. I never made any of the above > >statements as you wrote. I would think an apology is > >in order. > > And don't you presume to dictate to me what inferences and conclusions > I can draw from what you say. > > -- > John Morris > at University of Alberta > -- > >>>> Your inferences and conclusions are false, and you still owe me an apology, but apparently are not man enough to give it. That's all right though-apologies only account for the evils which they cannot alter. From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:06:58 PDT 1996 Article: 73272 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it... Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:36:19 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 34 Message-ID: <53lbfj$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53hkhf$gug@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message <53g3rr$peu@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com9 Oct 1996 > 11:55:39 GMT writes: > :> > :>> gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > :> > :> If the material is false, simply > :>> :>say so and prove WHY. > :>> > :>> Another dodge, Mr. "Blackmore". Do you _ever_ rationalize your opinions, or > :>> are you just a bot? I was right about Stumpy, wasn't I? Embarrassed? Still > :>> claim you don't use "revisionist" sources? > > :>I am not in the least embarrassed. How do you know > :>where Stumpy got them from? I will post the sources > :>tomorrow. They are not "revisionist". I won't disappoint > :>you......Then you will deal with it, right? > > Sure you will. I know where Stumpy got them (I also note you now admit you > use "revisionist" sources after having denied it). > > > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> What "revisionist" sources did I use? You also neglected to point out that I do not condemn sources because they come >from revisionists. I simply do not post them often. Perhaps I will start. If their sources are accurate, there is no reason not to. From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:06:59 PDT 1996 Article: 73273 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Kramer on the half-shell Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:39:11 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 21 Message-ID: <53lbkv$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > (Irrelevant meanderings snipped) > 1) Why was the death rate in the "work camps" as high as 10 > percent a month (!!) as early as 1942? > > 2) If the infrastructure collapsed, one would expect deaths > from starvation, thirst, typhus etc to occur in an EVEN > fashion. But the death rate among the inmates was so much > higher than for everybody else. How come? > > > -Danny Keren. > > > >>>> More of Dan's equivocating. Typhus was ALWAYS a problem in the camps, and the administration was always having to contend with it. They did not have the benefit of DDT as we did here. From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:06:59 PDT 1996 Article: 73274 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:41:00 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 13 Message-ID: <53lboc$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <325bdfc4.515660801@news.zilker.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > > > > This seems to be what he has progressed to in his massive output. His > posts mostly consist of variations on the theme: look elsewhere. The > trouble is that there really isn't anywhere to look. > > > >>>> Well, we won't be looking YOUR way if we are interested in the truth. From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:00 PDT 1996 Article: 73275 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:42:09 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 23 Message-ID: <53lbqh$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > >> >It must be clearly understood that the entire Holocaust-gassing myths > >> > stands and falls with the "confession" of Rudolf Hoess, one-time > >> > commandant of Auschwitz - an Allied prisoner who was sadistically > >> > tortured. > >> > >> I'm sure you would *like* that to be "clearly understood". That is, > >> however, utter bullshit. > >> > >>>>> > >Right. Like you are some kind of demi-god sent here to pontificate > >for the rest of us. > > You've documented the "torture" of Hoess--the Allies made him sit > in a courtroom festooned with U.S. flags. If you have better > references, don't hesitate to post them. In the meantime, perhaps > you will refrain from pontificating on what "must be clearly > understood". > > >>>> They have been posted many times over. Learn to browse a bit. From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:01 PDT 1996 Article: 73276 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: RBLACKMORE LIES AGAIN... Re: Add this one to the "Discovery Channel" Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:44:56 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 35 Message-ID: <53lbvo$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > In article <53g8cd$t04@juliana.sprynet.com>, rbalckmore@juno.com wrote: > > > > > No. Can't go to all the trouble. Contact the publishers. > > > > I already have. > > > Good. By the way, I have another one for you to contact.....it is posted. > > Hypocrite. If you're so interested in contacting these people for their > alleged incorrect statements, you do it, instead of whining so much. By the > way, you still have yet to provide me with a valid explanation for the > following: > > In a recent email, later posted to the Usenet, you made the following claim > about the SWC: > > "What do you say to the fact that many Jewish publications also quoted > this 4,000,000 figure for YEARS until the research made primarily by > revisionist scholars embarrassed the hell out of them. Why did the Simon > Wiesenthal Center keep silent on this figure until recently? Could MONEY > have anything to do with it?" > > You have yet to answer the following questions without prevarication: > > (1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding the SWC > (2) where is the proof for the following: > (a) that the SWC promoted the figure of 4 million knowing it was wrong > (b) that this was done for money > (3) when you can't provide that proof, you are requested to revist part > 1 and supply the truth. > >>>> I already answered this ages ago. Why do you keep re-posting the same nonsense? From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:01 PDT 1996 Article: 73279 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Where have I heard this before? Date: 11 Oct 1996 12:09:11 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 26 Message-ID: <53ldd7$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <325c84ce.14745427@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > The previous Friday [April 26, 1946], Streicher had made a > perfect ass of himself on the stand. He beamed foolishly, > as if glorying in the attention. He interrupted [his defense > attorney Hans] Marx so often that the lawyer asked the court > if he might be relieved of the case. The British cross-examiner, > the aristocratic Mervyn Griffith-Jones, tore Streicher apart > with a rapier tongue. At one point Griffith-Jones noted that > Streicher, in _Der Stuermer_ had referred to the Jews as "a > nation of bloodsuckers and extortionists," and asked, "Do you > think that's preaching racial hatred?" "No," Streicher answered. > "It is not preaching hatred. It is just a statement of fact." > > --Joseph Persico, _Nuremberg: Infamy on Trial_ > (Harmondsworth: Penguin, 1995) 331. > > Where have I heard Streicher's answer before? > > -- > John Morris > at University of Alberta ] > >>>> Was it something you said? From rblackmore@juno.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:02 PDT 1996 Article: 73280 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!news1.hay.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel Date: 11 Oct 1996 12:17:14 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 30 Message-ID: <53ldsa$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3261eb6f.54767811@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >> >From: The Pictorial History of the Jewish People, > >> >by Nathan Ausubel, Crown Publishers, N.Y., 1961, > >> >ELEVENTH PRINTING. > > Oh, get off it. If a popularization by a non-specialist issued by a > trade publisher makes a mistake, most people refer to it as poorly > researched. You, on the other hand, seem to see a big conspiracy to > pull the wool over all our eyes. > > -- > John Morris > at University of Alberta Give us a break. Deal with the lies you defend. The fact is that you can still find this book in any major library and this publication went through many more editions than 11, always repeating the same old falsehood, along with your Auschwitz Museum Shrine, and hundreds of other publications and "documentaries". Shall I continue to quote other sources? Yes, I shall, so everyone may see the fraud you promote and defend, rather than admitting these people and agencies were in negligent error. Of course, once you admit that, then everyone will ask, "Well, if they misrepresented this, what ELSE have they misrepresented?" If you can't believe the messengers, how can you believe the message? From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:22 PDT 1996 Article: 73469 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Rosa Lopez vs Ada Bimko Date: 12 Oct 1996 04:02:52 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 111 Message-ID: <53n59c$6kg@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd55-065.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Those of us who followed the Simpson trial will undoubtedly remember the testimony of Rosa Lopez, when she stated thet No meant yes and yes meant no. Now, let us compare the testimony of Ada Bimko during the Belsen trial, where she evidently assumed that a man is a woman and a woman a man. Bear in mind that this woman claimed to be a physician: Ms. Bimko cross-examined by Captain Phillips: Q: "You say this man jumped up out of the kitchen and shot a woman. What sort of gun did he mur- der the woman with? A: It was a revolver. He fired two shots from only a few yards away. Q: Was there any reason for his doing this? A: The only reason was because he saw the woman bent down to get some potato peelings or some other vegetables. Q: Did you examine the woman after she was wounded? A: Yes, I did, and I had to state the cause of death. Q: After the liberation you remember making statements which were put down in writing. Were these statements read over to you after they had been written down? A: Yes. Q: In what language were you questioned? A: German. Q: How many statements did you make in all? A: Three. Q: Do you remember now what you said then concerning this incident? A: Yes. I said then what I say now. Q: I propose to read you part of the first of these statements: "On the day before the British troops arrived at Belsen, I saw Karl Francioh, who was a cook, shoot a man internee dead for stealing vegetables." (Somone better fire the cook!-rb) Q: How did you know this man's name? A: I did not know the name then. Q: "I witnesses this shooting, and because I was a doctor I immediately went to see if I could do any- thing for him." A: It was a woman. Q: "I saw he was dead, having been shot through the stomach." When you made the first statement how did you know this man's name? A: I never knew the name of this man. I knew that he was in charge of that particular kitchen. I was shown some photographs (!rb) and out of these I picked this man out. Maybe those people who showed me the photographs knew the name of that particular photograph and maybe they put it in. Q: You made three statements, the first dated 9th May. When you made that first statement were you shown the photographs? A: Later-not at that time. When I gave this declaration I never mentioned the name of the man because I did not know him. When I made the first declaration I did not sign on the spot, and only later on, when I had been shown the photographs, did I sign, but even then I did not know personally the name of that man. Q: What explanation do you produce of the fact that you referred to this man shooting a woman, whereas in your affadavit you refer to him shooting a man? (Perhaps the cook did a quick sex change with one of those Jinsu knives?-rb) A: I have always said it was a woman; it is quite impossible I should have said it was a man. Q: I am suggesting that this whole incident is imaginary. What do you say about that? A: Then I would say that it is a lie, because I saw it myself. END OF QUOTES. QUOTES TAKEN FROM: "The Belsen Trial, pg. 75,76. COMMENT: Indeed it was a lie, and she was the liar. On such "eyewitness testimony" the Holocaust is based. We will be hearing more from Ms. Bimko later. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:23 PDT 1996 Article: 73473 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Nazi "Confessions" Given Under Torture Date: 12 Oct 1996 06:13:52 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 28 Message-ID: <53ncv0$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53mruf$s9b@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: > > > Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis "admissions" > were secured: > > British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949. _Washington Daily > News_, > > January 9th, 1949, > > Written before the public release of the Simpson Report. The quoted > statements are found nowhere in the report. > > > Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army > Commission subseqently > > appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials. > > The Simpson Report found that the allegations of physical brutality > against the Malmedy defendants (and the investigation was limited to those trials) > were unfounded. No medical evidence of such torture was found when the > persons making those allegations were examined. > > --YFE > > >>>> I wonder why the Judges actual comments were deleted from the report? Could it have been a COVER-UP? From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:24 PDT 1996 Article: 73478 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!swrinde!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 12 Oct 1996 06:25:12 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 26 Message-ID: <53ndk8$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53mj1r$q7r@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: > > YFE noted as a matter of fact: > > > > > There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that > > >4,000,000 Jew were gassed there. > > > You mean the sign that the Simon Wiesenthal page refers to never > > was? > > Odd question from a person who quotes frequently from a book which > devoted 60 pages to the controversy over Auschwitz. Apparently he is unaware > of statement on the placque. But since Moran has a well documented problem > with reading any statement more complex than "See Spot run. Run, Spot, Run." > with comprehension, perhaps he will quote from the SWC do the rest of us can > point out the rather simple error he has made. > > --YFE > >>>> For the record there were actually 19 of these massive stone slabs in front of Auschwitz which publicly had the false figure of 4,000,000 Jewish dead chisled out in July 1990. From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:25 PDT 1996 Article: 73487 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: BUCHENWALD: LEGEND AND REALITY Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:11:49 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 28 Message-ID: <53ngbl$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images > > buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg: > Emaciated corpses of the inmates. > > buchenwald02.jpg: > Artifacts made from corpses of inmates. > > shrunken.jpg: > The shrunken head of an inmate. > > buchenwald04.jpg: > German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops > have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how > well-dressed and well-fed they are. > > > -Danny Keren. > > >>>> Danny and his photo collection again. Shrunken heads, artifacts made from diseased corpses, emaciated inmates suffering from disease......I feel sorry for you Danny. Oh, I almost forgot the civilians-shall we discuss what happened to many of them when the allies released hordes of criminals >from the camps to rape, plunder, and murder? From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:25 PDT 1996 Article: 73495 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 12 Oct 1996 06:17:19 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <53nd5f$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53lh21$jig@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes: > > > > (Irrelevant drivel) > > > > > >>>> > > But the lie of 4 million Jewish "gassed" at Auschwitz > > was officially chiseled out of the massive slabs in front > > of the Auschwitz Museum in 1994! Let's talk about that > > one for a while. > > > >>>> > There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that > 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there. > > --YFE > >>>> You stepped in it that time. The inscription clearly stated that 4 million Jews died in Auschwitz. Whether gassed or shot, or from disease, the LIE remains the same. From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:26 PDT 1996 Article: 73499 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Julius Streicher - PORNOGRAPHER Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:24:12 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 12 Message-ID: <53nh2s$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <325ed4d5.356751@news.inetport.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >I never enrolled in your phoney history class. > > LOL! It shows. > > > >>>> Thank God! From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:27 PDT 1996 Article: 73506 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45 Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:20:21 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 18 Message-ID: <53ngrl$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53bh3r$lnn@is05.micron.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: > > > > British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949. _Washington Daily News_, > January 9th, 1949, > > Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army Commission subseqently > appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials. > > Kurt Stele > > >>>> Judge Van Roden said even more. I will post it soon. From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:28 PDT 1996 Article: 73507 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45 Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:21:43 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 34 Message-ID: <53ngu7$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3260d673.771133@news.inetport.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >> mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes: > >> rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > > >....If you are > >> >> >going to produce a credible witness, at least prove he exists! > >> >> > >> >> He's dead. > >> > > >> >Prove he ever lived. This mystery witness who never gave > >> >testimony before a court. > >> > >> He had a wife. I guess she wasn't really married to anyone. > > > > > >This "man" never responded to anyone. He's a > >figment of your imagination, or somebody's > >imagination... > > Lots of people's imaginations apparently since he was known by others > who worked with him. He gave a deposition. Just because he chose not > to correspond with Butz, doesn't mean he didn't exist. You must do > better than this. Hell, you don't even exist in your present state, > but I'll bet you'd object to that. > > > Mike Curtis E-mail mcurtis@inetport.com > >>>> Right. I am a figment of your imagination. From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:28 PDT 1996 Article: 73510 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Kramer on the half-shell Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:28:17 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 36 Message-ID: <53nhah$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53eef1$5eb@is05.micron.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: > > >belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp. > > doesn't prove extermination by gassing. > > >belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen. > > doesn't prove extermination by gassing. > > >belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen. > > doesn't prove extermination by gassing. > > >belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen. > > doesn't prove extermination by gassing. > > >belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen. > > doesn't prove extermination by gassing. > > Kurt Stele > > > > > > > >>>> No it doesn't. But for the record, Kramer was ACCUSED of building a gas chamber by mendacious witnesses. What Kramer had done in actuality was construct barracks to house people in the already over-crowded camp. From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:29 PDT 1996 Article: 73511 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it, Part 2. Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:26:18 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 14 Message-ID: <53nh6q$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3261d923.1458794@news.inetport.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > (snip) > > > > Mike Curtis E-mail mcurtis@inetport.com > > >>>> The sources you referred to are now posted under "Let's not be Beastly to the Sources". From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:30 PDT 1996 Article: 73512 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:07:48 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <53ng44$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > > ## You seem to have a serious crush on Kramer. You obviously > ## believe he's a reliable witness. Right? > > # He is a better witness than you are a historian. > > Don't evade the question. You have accepted Kramer's testimony > about Belsen. That means you believe he's a reliable witness. > > Yes or no? It's very simple. > > > -Danny Keren. > > >>>> I believe he told the truth, and his statements were proved by other evidence. I still insist he was a victim of circumstances beyond his contol. From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:30 PDT 1996 Article: 73514 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Holocaust-What a scam! Date: 12 Oct 1996 08:16:45 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 13 Message-ID: <53nk5d$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes: > I suggest you start with Daniel Goldhagen's book > Sara > > -- > "I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy." > Samuel Butler > > >>>> If you recommend Goldhagen, I might just as well recommend Streicher. They are two peas in a pod. From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:31 PDT 1996 Article: 73515 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me Date: 12 Oct 1996 08:19:17 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 30 Message-ID: <53nka5$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <325e4707.673192049@news.zilker.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >> dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > >> The following photos are in > >> > >> h > >/ > >> > >> Kramer.jpg: Joseph Kramer, who served as commandant of Auschwitz > >> II (Birkenau) and later Belsen. > >> > >> > >> -Danny Keren. > > > >And what does this prove Danny? That the sick died from disease > >and typhus? It should be noted that when the British were occupying > >India during the 20's and 30's, MILLIONS died from disease and starvation. > >What did the British do to help the people of India? Why didn't they help > >the people of India? Why couldn't they help the people of India? Ask > >Kramer-he was in a similar situation. > > This is another nonsequitor. > > We are dealing with holocaust history here and not India. > > > >>>> You did not answer the questions. The similes are apropos. From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:32 PDT 1996 Article: 73518 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: THE MANY-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG Date: 11 Oct 1996 12:02:58 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 86 Message-ID: <53ld1i$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd70-193.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > >You're missing the point as well. how about adressing the > >millions of crimes committed against the German people > >by the allies? > > Please tell me where I can find these "millions of crimes" > enumerated. I am aware that Germans suffered after the war. When > a government launches an aggressive, unprovoked, treaty-breaking > war, its people can expect to suffer somewhere down the line, > whether they deserve it or not. Considering how little resistance > the Nazi government encountered from the German people, frankly, > I'm afraid that in large part they did deserve it. Especially the children, right? > > The Allies were responsible for the forced resettlement of ethnic > Germans from various parts of Eastern Europe such as the Sudeten > and Danzig/Gdansk. Considering how these populations were used as > an excuse by Hitler for aggression, this is understandable, I would not refer to these to occasions as aggression....it was definitely the will of the overwhelming majority of these two ethnic German cities to unite with the mother country. but I > agree that innocents suffered and that this is given less > attention than it should be. Yes. (I'm most familiar with it through > the movie of Gunter Grass's THE TIN DRUM, which I'm sure > relatively few Americans have seen--I don't know if it's even > been dubbed, since I saw it in the original German with Dutch > subtitles.) I do find this small stuff compared to the Holocaust, But that is only because all we ever seem to hear about is the Holocaust. > but if you want to post details to convince us all otherwise, go > to it. You might not find their sufferings so small if you could locate the following books: 1. German Documents on the Expulsion (Four volumes) 2. Silesian Inferno---Friedrich Grau 3. An Eye for an Eye--John Sack 4. The last ten days-John Toland 5. Ruins of the Reich-Douglas Botting The above books may be obtained in most libraries or through inter-library loan. Eye for an Eye is still in print and can probably be ordered through the internet. It may also be available at your library. > > ) I would say that the Western (not > Soviet) occupation of Germany was generally among the most humane > in history, I disagree, but only because I have probably read more on a virtually surpressed subject in our country, as well as hearing many first hand accounts. I have read many German books on this subject which would otherwise be difficult for most people to access here, due to language barriers. > I object to the suffering of Germans being used as a tool to > deflect attention from the Holocaust, which seems to be how > you're using it here and how it usually enters the discussion on > this newsgroup. That is not my intention. What I am seeking is a balanced account of this period in history. Are you *at least* as outraged by the mass murder > of Jews by Nazis as you are by the mistreatment of Germans by the > Allies? Yes, but I would change the word "mistreatment" to mass murder. > > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:33 PDT 1996 Article: 73519 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel Date: 12 Oct 1996 08:35:15 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 18 Message-ID: <53nl83$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > In article <325ef82f.24644085@news.srv.ualberta.ca>, > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote: > > > And what, pray, would you like me to do about it? Round them up and > > burn them? Firebomb the publisher? Write to every library carrying a > > mistaken or poorly researched book and ask them to withdraw them from > > their shelves? > > That is exactly what he/she wants. Rblackmore/JBelling lacks any > substantive proof regard his/her claims about the validity of the > Holocaust. Nor does he/she have any proof to substantiate his/her claims > about the Simon Wisenthal Center, the Discovery Channel, or about Hoess. > He/she'd rather prevaricate, lie, and avoid answering the questions. > >>>> Sounds like you are talking about yourself again, Raj. Keep talking-I assure you no one is listening anymore. From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:33 PDT 1996 Article: 73520 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45 Date: 12 Oct 1996 08:37:10 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 27 Message-ID: <53nlbm$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53jc9j$1l1@is05.micron.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > >> You are incorrect. Nysli was known to other physicians at Auschwitz. > >> Further he gave a deposition in 1945. > > >Gave a deposition to whom? Where did he testify? > >BTW that is not the proof I asked for. Similarly I > >asked for the toxicological test results from the > >alleged gassing victims at Dachau and you refer > >me to someone's "testimony". > > Come on, you know these Holocausters can't produce any physical evidence? If they had it, > they would give it. But they don't of course. Their Hoax is propped up on that > time-honored pillar of "eyewitness testimony" -- you know, the kind which claims that > Nazis used steaming to kill people, and that Nazis tore live babies apart with their bare > hands, and was able to hear maniaclal laughter over the sound of machine guns -- real > "reliable" stuff like that. Oh, I know. I just want other people to see it for themselves. rb > > From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:34 PDT 1996 Article: 73534 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!loki.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!news.postech.ac.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!korpc!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:50:55 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <53nikv$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > In article <53lbqh$jef@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > [snip - blackmore's claim that Hoess was sadistically tortured deleted.] > > > They have been posted many times over. Learn to browse a bit. > > Since I seen the 'proof' that you posted, and since I have seen it refuted > time and time again, perhaps you will tell us now what new evidence you > have to support your claim, other than a picture, which by your own > admission clearly demonstrates nothing, save that Hoess may have been a bit > nervous and anxious, and of course the famous thiry party recitation of a > statement allegedly made by Clark, in Butler's book - which is heresay at > best. > >>>> Oh, Gandhi, how you lie. The admission comes directly >from the lips of the man who tortured Hoess....now, once again, from his lips to your ears: Hoess was brutally tortured. By the way, have you viewed the photo I recommended to you yet? Ah, I thought not. Such professionalism. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:35 PDT 1996 Article: 73535 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!news.postech.ac.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!korpc!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: More on Goring's Commission to Heydrich Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:52:22 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 20 Message-ID: <53ninm$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3263ed39.55225849@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > [snip] > > > >I have posted scores of examples concerning the torture of germans > >to obtain false confessions. > > [snip] > > But no verifiable references. > > >>>> They are posted. The ball is now in your corner. If you are seriously interested in seeking the truth, knock and you shall receive. From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:35 PDT 1996 Article: 73551 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!news.duq.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question Date: 9 Oct 1996 11:13:56 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 32 Message-ID: <53g1dk$peu@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53ci92$24je@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad04-103.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message <325a7235.1054206@news.inetport.com> - mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike > Curtis) writes: > :> > :>gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote: > :> > > :>>You have posted no facts that make anything true--just your assertions. You > :>>can wish that just saying something made it true, but real life is not like > :>>that. Of course, deniers do have problems with real life. > :>> > :> > :>I must say that you have taken over Belling/Blackmore/Whoever pretty > :>well. I pretty nearly am left with nothing to say after reading your > :>replies. So I guess from now on just assume that I second your > :>assertions to Belling/Blackmore/Whoever. He can also, for what it is > :>worth. This way, what we both would say, gets said once. Thanks. > > You are welcome, sir. He isn't really much of a challenge. He shed his > veneer of civility and lapsed into the denier snit syndrome more quickly than > I had expected. > > > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> One thing I can't deny is your lickspittle servility to Nizkor. From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:36 PDT 1996 Article: 73561 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Apology to Nizkor & Jamie M. Date: 10 Oct 1996 21:41:35 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 36 Message-ID: <53jqif$m4q@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <326049ed.13415529@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad03-101.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote: > > [snip] > > >You have posted no sources for Streicher and Frank having been tortured at > >Nuremberg. You obviously know nothing of Frank's behaviour at Nuremberg. > > Actually, Streicher did claim during his testimony at Nuremberg that > he was tortured. The claim was so patently ridiculous that even his > defense attorney, Hans Marx, would not take up the issue. > > Of course, Mr. Blackmore did not know that, or he would have posted > the claim as "evidence." > > -- > John Morris > at University of Alberta > -- > The Nizkor Project | http://www.nizkor.org/ > >>>> The fact is, Mr. Morris, that the tribunal refused to hear the evidence of Streicher's torture, as it would have required a full scale investigation. However, Werner Maser does an admirable job of relating the facts. By the way, not only was Streicher subjected to torture, but his wife as well. Maser may also be referred to in regards to Hans Frank's torture. I suggest you read the sources I have followed. Streicher's torture was typical of the tortures meted out to germans during de-naizification proceedings. To read more and see how similar these actions were as a matter of policy, see my posts re: "Let's not be beastly to the Germans." rb From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:37 PDT 1996 Article: 73562 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question Date: 10 Oct 1996 21:42:43 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 37 Message-ID: <53jqkj$m4q@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53hkdm$gug@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad03-101.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message <53g18k$peu@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes: > :> > :>> gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > :>> > :> > :>> :>> > :>> :>> Trust me, I believe very little I read on the Zuendel site. In fact, I rarely > :>> :>> look at the Zuendel site, preferring to concentrate on the truth. > :>> > :>> :>Now why don't you try TELLING the truth? > :>> > :>> Sorry to have shown you up, Mr. "Blackmore", but that's what happens when you > :>> post denier bullshit that you are unable to back up. But you don't need to > :>> get so testy. > :>> > :>> -- > :>> Gord McFee > :>> I'll write no line before its time > :>> > :>> > :>>>>> > :>Has Mark Van Alstine given you your > :>doggy treat today? > > I notice you did not deny that you post denier bullshit that you can't back > up. Thank you for being so candid. > > > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> But I am not a "denier". From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:38 PDT 1996 Article: 73563 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question Date: 10 Oct 1996 21:44:11 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 38 Message-ID: <53jqnb$m4q@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53hke7$gug@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad03-101.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message <53g1gn$peu@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes: > :> > :>> gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > :>> In message <3259717d.870837@news.inetport.com> - mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike > :>> Curtis) writes: > :>> :> > :>> :>rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > :>> :> > :>> :>>> > :>> :>>> The fact that _you_ say that Ehlert was a liar is nothing more than blabber. > :>> :>>> Please post the independent forensic evidence that _proves_ she was a liar. > :>> :>>> Two unrelated lie detector results will suffice. > :>> > :>> :>And this denier's response to Gord McFee! > :>> :> > :>> :>>I'll have to stand in line nehind you and your little imp, Mark van Alstine. > :>> :> > :>> :>This is nonresponsive to the questions at hand. > :>> > :>> Perhaps the reason is that there he has no answer to the questions at hand. > > :>I have given you the answer you deserve. Prove > :>that you deserve better. > > No answer. Poor Mr. "Blackmore", no challenge at all. > > > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> I already posted something concerning Ehlert's comments and testimony a while back. Hopefully, you will refer to that. From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:28 PDT 1996 Article: 73581 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: I'm Waiting For Some Answers, Mr. Blackmore. Date: 12 Oct 1996 17:27:03 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 28 Message-ID: <53okd7$87h@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <325F5345.794B@itsa.ucsf.edu> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd67-081.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > Brian Harmon writes: > rblackmore@juno.com replied to John Morris: > [..] > > > Give us a break. Deal with the lies you defend. > > Hmm. An interesting statement. Apropos of that, i'm wondering > when you'll get around to demonstrating that Filip Mueller > is an unreliable witness, or that the Auschwitz testimony is > contradictory and ludicrous. > > The only thing you've given me so far is excerpts of testimony > that had *nothing* to do with Auschwitz, and some of which was > far from impossible. > > I'm waiting, Mr. Blackmore. > > -- > Brian Harmon > >>>> You really should know better than to challenge me, Mr. Harmon, especially after the Kramer dialogue. You must be a masochist. The answers you seek are forthcoming soon. By the way, I have a personal communication by Mr. Mueller in my possession, which states a couple of interesting things From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:29 PDT 1996 Article: 73631 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Rblackmore is still a liar....Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel Date: 12 Oct 1996 08:11:44 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 144 Message-ID: <53njs0$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Gandhi writes rblackmore: > . However, you are a hypocrite, and a liar. Both have been > clearly demonstrated. It's news to me. Are you not talking about yourself? it doesn't change the truth that thus far you have lied about > the Discovery Channel, And of course you will confirm to us that you have since SEEN this documentary, so you can prove me a liar, right?....Uh huh, I thought not. and you have lied about the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Really? The Holocaust figures are fabrications, > > and these posts are proving it. You've yet to given any grounds > whatsoever to support your contention that more than 6 million people were > not brutally murdered by the German war machine. Not any more, Mr. Gandhi. You need to PROVE it. > > [snip] > > > It is you who is whining. Your Holocaust promoters are turning out to be > > liars. (Gandhi's unsupportable brainwashed comments snipped) > . > Your failure to support your claim brands you a liar. No, it brands me as being too uninterested to care. BTW, I don't even know what you are referring to. > It is you who fears the truth..... > > So you claim; however, it does not change the fact that you have yet to > provide one piece of credible evidence to demonstrate that the Holocaust > did not happen. I believe I have posted enough, but take heart, valiant soul, for more proof is on the way even as I write! I am still waiting for you to prove that the Holocaust happened as you say it did. In any event, you're still a liar, since my accusation was that you HAD > >> NO PROOF that the DISCOVERY CHANNEL was KNOWINGLY MISLEADING THE PUBLIC. > > > > I said either knowingly or irresponsibly.... > > > "Whether the Discovery Channel did this deliberately or not remains to be > seen. I have the programs in question on video tape and intend to look for > the names of the editors responsible for the narration." > > I never claimed that you lied about the source, although you have yet to > fully provide a proper quote, I gave you the quote. in context, even though you claim to have the > program on tape. I do. Somewhere..... What I did say was that you lied about the Discovery > Channel's motives. I said this because, again, you provided NOT A SINGLE > SHRED OF EVIDENCE that the alleged figure (I say alleged because you have't > provided a quote from the documentary) was so made to mislead the public as > you claimed. Oh, no. it was just thrown in there to make things look good....think about what you are saying, man...... , it is your promoters of the Holocaust who are the liars, but you haven't the guts to admit it, though I am proving it to you over and over again. Your admonitions are directed at the wrong person. I did not claim the lie for five decades that 4 million Jews died at Auschwitz. BTW, I will post more evidence tonight that this malicious rumor began in 1945 and referred to "gassed Jews", which you and Mr. Yale E. tried to disclaim in another post. > - the Holocaust happened, and > the Nazis set out to and did succeed in exterminating more than 6 million > people, including Jews, gypsies, political prisoners, and homosexuals. Nonsense. > . > JB> Would YOU be interested enough in the truth to correct them? In fact, > JB> they have used this false figure twice - the previous time being a > JB> "documentary" on Josef Mengele. > > RG> Yes I would have. There you go-you admit it in your own words. So, contact them, apostle of truth. > > Please demonstrate where I promised to contact every person/company you > claim is acting irresponsibly. I have not seen you contact even ONE of them yet. > >> if you want me to do it, you'll have to e-mail me a digitized > >> picture of the offending article, from the most recent edition. (By the > >> way, you failed to mention what year the 11th edition is from.) And be sure to include with it the eye of a newt, 2 toads legs, and the wart on a frog's rump.... > > > > Nope. I post what I post. Visit a library. I'm sure you'll > > find a copy there. BTW, I mentioned the year already - 1961. > > What you post are lies. However, if you think that I am going to waste my > time trying to correct a figure in a book that is 35 years old, think > again. Ha Ha Ha....go for a newer edition then-the same lie is still in there......... rb > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:30 PDT 1996 Article: 73632 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: RBLACKMORE LIES AGAIN... Re: Add this one to the "Discovery Channel" Date: 12 Oct 1996 08:12:53 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 36 Message-ID: <53nju5$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > In article <53lbvo$jef@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > [snip] > > > I already answered this ages ago. Why do you keepre-posting the same > > nonsense? > > This is reposted because your answer was a non answer. You have yet to > adduce ANY evidence whatsoever for these claims. Either do this, or admit > that you made an accusation which was completely without foundation. > > - - - - - - > > In a recent email, later posted to the Usenet, you made the following claim > about the SWC: > > "What do you say to the fact that many Jewish publications also quoted > this 4,000,000 figure for YEARS until the research made primarily by > revisionist scholars embarrassed the hell out of them. Why did the Simon > Wiesenthal Center keep silent on this figure until recently? Could MONEY > have anything to do with it?" > > You have yet to answer the following questions without prevarication: > > (1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding the SWC > (2) where is the proof for the following: > (a) that the SWC promoted the figure of 4 million knowing it was wrong > (b) that this was done for money > (3) when you can't provide that proof, you are requested to revist part > 1 and supply the truth. > >>>> This was already answered. Stop wasting people's time with your nonsense. Have some consideration for people once in your life. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:25 PDT 1996 Article: 73705 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!news.akorn.net!news.his.com!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45 Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:18:49 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 30 Message-ID: <53ngop$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53mlhj$q7r@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > > Nysili's deposition in 1945 > > > I have the Lifton book, but I am not interested in a > > deposition from a person who never testified to his > > comments in a trial. Also, there still is no proof that > > this person ever existed. > > Then you know your statements are in error. > > > > > Exactly. Now prove it. Start with the Simpson Report and prove that it > is > > > in error. > > > Your Simpson reprt was a whitewash. What Judge van Roden said was > > the truth. > > Van Roden was one of the authors of the Simpson Report. He Signed > off on it. > > --YFE > >>>> The Simpson report was a cover-up, plain and simple. Compare the report with what the Judge said at the Rotary Club. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:26 PDT 1996 Article: 73706 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!news.akorn.net!news.his.com!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Too Drunk to Know What He is Talking About Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:16:59 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 38 Message-ID: <53nglb$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53mldg$q7r@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: > > On 10 Oct 1996 22:58:21 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: > > > >> mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) in a thread questioning whether the > Malmedy defendants were tortured: > > > >> >> You mean you are still holding to your position that they all > had their > > >> >> attorneys present during all questioning? > > > > > Liar. In case you were too drunk to notice we are talking about the > > >Malmedy trials. I have posted specific statements and government > investigations > > >that indicate that there were irregularities at those trials. > > > Gee, and I was talking about Nuremberg, which you also swore on your > oath > > as an honorable man was a fair trial under the rules of US law. > > You are either lying or too drunk to be taken seriously. If you think that > there were reversible errors at Nuremberg please make a case of it. So far you > have posted nothing that an appeals court would even bother considering. You > have stated that your opinion is that no fair trial was given. You have yet to > support this with either full citations of the record or a recitation of legal principle > that would support your contention. > > The burden, as in any appeal, is upon you. Please try to present your > position in a coherent manner. Given your criminal tendencies, it might be good > practice for the future. > > --YFE > >>>> Given your disposition to ignore and pervert the facts, I don't see why he should accomodate your demands. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:27 PDT 1996 Article: 73721 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-paris.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel Date: 10 Oct 1996 21:15:32 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 105 Message-ID: <53jp1k$m4q@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <325ca930.11641463@news> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad03-101.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > pgroff@txdirect.net (pgroff) writes: > On 9 Oct 1996 09:45:56 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > > >From: The Pictorial History of the Jewish People, > >by Nathan Ausubel, Crown Publishers, N.Y., 1961, > >ELEVENTH PRINTING. > > > >Quote: > > > >"....in Oswiecim (Auschwitz) and its subsidiary > >plants, almost 4,000,000 Jewish lives were > >snuffed out. The register of the slain in the > >electric crematoria of the Oswiecim subsidiary, > >Birkenau, reads like a carefully itemized account > >of a business house. The plant first gassed, then > >burned 6,000 Jews daily." > > > >End of Quote (Note that in the quote Auschwitz > >appears in parentheses and was the German > >name for Oswiecim. The inclusion was mine.) > I have a few questions for rblackmore/jbelling troll, ? Could you > also tell us Was it irresponsible, or was > it just poor research? > > >rb > I will answer your questions, but no doubt you will find it to be uncomfortable: 1. Page number? Page 261. 2. what citation they used for this statement?? >From what I can see, NONE. Quite irresponsible, isn't it? For the record, he also states: ".....attempts were made to utilize the fat from the bodies of victims in the commercial manufacture of soap." Page 261. 3. Could you > also mention what year this book you are quoting from was first > published?? 1953. I quoted from the 1961 edition, but there were many editions thereafter. 4. Wasn't it first stated at Auschwitz after the War > concerning the four million, and that wasn't it several historians > that corrected that within their books?? The facts do not quite support your contentions. Not only was the 4 million dead quoted right after the war, but the fake figure was quoted up to DECADES after the war, as recently as 1994 in the periodical I quoted from in another post. The figure of 4.5 million was given on an episode aired by the discovery channel recently, called "Mengele-the man and his crimes." Also, Reitlinger's book, "The Final Solution" gave a figure of around 800,000 (I believe) in 1953! Hilberg's book was also published early with a different figure. Fact is, this author and this publication continued to bandy this irresponsible figure around for YEARS, along with agencies like the Auschwitz State Museum. It was only in 1990! that the Auschwitz State Museum finally chiseled out the phoney 4 million figure from the giant slabs adorning the entrance to the former concentration camp. This is DECADES after Reitlinger and Hilberg! I maintain that it was the assiduous work of revisionists which finally forced their hand. Now, concerning you final comments: Who would ever apologize to a troll pair such > as rblackmore/jbelling?? I sure wouldn't. You don't have to, but it sure says much about the likes of you. By the way, I didn't have to reply to your questions either. Fact is, you have been caught with your hands in the cookie jar. Imagine being a true believer in this sort of tomfoolery, as has been related about Auschwitz. Don't apologize-it makes you and Gandhi look more like the fools every day. Finally, you scribble: rblackmore/jbelling snide and uncalled for remarks to Mr. Ghandi > deleted, as they should be. The two people above refer to me as a "troll" and Gandi calls me a liar and prevaricator about the exact same issue concerning the actual number of dead at Auschwitz, and this person calls my remarks "snide and uncalled for". A final quote: "The worst sort of hypocrite and liar is the man who lies to himself in order to feel at ease."----Hilaire Belloc rb From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:28 PDT 1996 Article: 73735 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Apology to Nizkor & Jamie M. Date: 13 Oct 1996 07:56:48 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 27 Message-ID: <53q7c0$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) writes: > anndaltyn@aol.com (AnnDaltyn) wrote: > > > I was also recently privy to the knowledge that there is a letter that was > > smuggled out by a soldier to Rudolf Hoss's (commandant of Auschwitz) wife. > > This letter in Hoss's handwriting & signed by him tells of extreme torture > > & his sorrow. He states that the "confession" was lies forced on him by > > his torturers. > > This is the first time I've ever heard this claim. Your source, please. > > > I find these comments that these men where not tortured to be very silly & > > groundless. It is also true that many of them were given "experimental" > > mind altering "truth drugs". These left many of these men in altered > > states if mind. > > This is the first time I've ever heard this claim. Your source, please. > > Posted/emailed. > -- > Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/ > jamie@voyager.net Co-Webmaster of http://www.nizkor.org/ > >>>> I have also heard of this letter, although I have never seen it. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:29 PDT 1996 Article: 73740 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Rblackmore and the usual prevarication... Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:20:09 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 21 Message-ID: <53q8np$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: . > > In any event, you are also proven to be a liar, since your claim was: > > "But the lie of 4 million Jewish "gassed" at Auschwitz was officially > chiseled out of the massive slabs..." > > Mr. Edeiken correctly pointed out to you that no such slab makes that > claim. You then changed your claim. Prevarication. Baseless accusations. > Liar. > >>>> Fool. The slabs were in front of Auschwitz. I made no claims about the Wiesenthal Center. Whether gassed or shot or electrocuted or squashed between moving walls, the means is not the important issue here-it is the fake number of 4 MILLION. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:29 PDT 1996 Article: 73741 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:22:22 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 30 Message-ID: <53q8ru$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > # yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > ## There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz > ## Musuem that 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there. > > # You stepped in it that time. The inscription clearly > # stated that 4 million Jews died in Auschwitz. > > I think that you are clearly lying, as I am looking at > Pressac's book, and the text on the monument does not even > mention Jews. > > IMHO, the old (and false) figure of "4 million victims, > including Jews" - while in reality it is about 1.5 million > victims, most of them Jews - can be attributed in part > to plain old antisemitism and a cynical attempt to add > a "Christian touch" to what was, first and foremost, a > Jewish tragedy. It is good that the current Polish > Government does not pursue this line any more. > > > -Danny Keren. > > > >>>> I have the photos in front of me. What I wrote was the truth. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:30 PDT 1996 Article: 73749 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.sgi.com!mr.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story Date: 13 Oct 1996 09:06:45 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 21 Message-ID: <53qbf5$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > In the course of your career have you ever seen anything > like this before? -- I have been a doctor for 30 years and > have seen all the horrors of war, but I have never seen > anything to touch it. > > Did there appear to have been any attempt made at all > to preserve the lives and health of the inmates of that > camp? -- Absolutely none. > > > > Brigadier Glyn Hughes testifying. Quoted from "The Belsen > Trial", p. 35. > > > -Danny Keren. > Keren's red herrings-appearances can be deceiving and they were in this case.> From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:31 PDT 1996 Article: 73750 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: BUCHENWALD: LEGEND AND REALITY Date: 13 Oct 1996 09:16:55 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 37 Message-ID: <53qc27$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53oqj2$ekn@is05.micron.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >> dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > >> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images > >> > >Danny and his photo collection again. Shrunken heads, > >artifacts made from diseased corpses, emaciated inmates > >suffering from disease......I feel sorry for you Danny. Oh, > >I almost forgot the civilians-shall we discuss what happened > >to many of them when the allies released hordes of criminals > >from the camps to rape, plunder, and murder? Danny might > >enjoy seeing their heads shrunken, or artifacts made from their > >bones, or emaciated by disease--Danny are you sure you don't > >have the situations reversed? > > Whenever revisionist Jeffrey repeats his mass-posting on alt.revisionism, Keren always > fails miserably to counter them. All Keren can do is post a few lame Nizkor URL's as if > that helps anything. > > I have to admit, though, Keren has a tough job in defending the "Holocaust" Lie in the > nineties. The myth has degenerated more today than ever before. Rays of blinding > sunlight are now streaming into the vampire's lair. The vampire is screaming, melting. > > And to makes matters worse, the old Holocauster tactic of "smear and run" doesn't help > very much on the Internet, where people now can laugh at these hitherto "lethal" > obfuscations. > > Ah, noone believes in the Holocaust anymore. > > Kurt Stele > > >>>> Yes, quite right. As Danny's header states, he supplies the legend, and others supply the realiry...... From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:31 PDT 1996 Article: 73755 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!chi-news.cic.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs) Date: 13 Oct 1996 09:39:12 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 38 Message-ID: <53qdc0$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53pek2$21hc@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > > The fact that an overstated figure of the number of persons gassed at > Auschwitz has been reduced does not deny the fact that over a million people > were gassed at Auschwitz. In fact, it is an example of what revisionism is > supposed to be. How does the equate to "the collapsing Holocaust story"? If > that is indeed your expression, the only logical interpretation is that you > believe it to be untrue. Is that in fact your position? It appears that the figure of over a million is also in dispute. Pressac and Reitlinger claim around 800,000, yet Pressac seems to indicate that the figure could be much less. One would have to accept the story that people were not registered upon arrival and then dispatched to the "gas chambers". However, without any actual proof to rely on except "eyewitness testimony" I am inclined to disbelieve it, based on other eyewitness testimonies I have read. As to the Holocaust, it depends upon one's definition, and there seems to be much difference of opinion on this subject. Not only are the alleged mortality rates disputed, but also the means of "extermination" and the disposal of the bodies. The "whys", "hows", and "how many" have not been answered to my satisfaction. It also does not help when people like Yale Edeikin claim that Dr. Larson examined deceased inmates from Dachau and claimed that they died from cyanide poisoning. Mr. E. also claimed that toxicological tests were conducted and that they proved death resulted from gassing. However, when I repeatedly requested copies of both the autopsy and toxicological reports, he referred me to comments made by Larson without any forensic reports to prove his statements. At present, I have no definite opinion on the subject of gassing, but I DO have a problem with it for many reasons, which I hope to post soon. > > > > From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:32 PDT 1996 Article: 73759 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 13 Oct 1996 10:14:57 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 25 Message-ID: <53qff1$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <326050fe.4132941@news.awinc.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes: > your assertion is as full of shit as you are. > >>>> No. It is you who are full of the brown substance, and you seem to be regurgitating it through your mouth. The proof that Hoess was tortured comes from the man who captured and tortured him, Mr. Clarke. He said it. He did it. He was proud of it. And it can be verified that he did indeed capture Hoess. Your continual denial of this fact is only hurting your own reputation. Also, in Soviet hands, Hoess must have fared much worse treatment, similar to the treatment allegedly meted out to Beiliss in Russia, or do you maintain that Beiliss wasn't tortured either? Also, it is clear from Clark and other sources, that it was a common practice for the British to threaten to turn over whole families to the Soviets if the interrogated refused to talk. This sword of Damocles was hanging over Hoess's head the whole time he was at Nuremberg, as his family was living in the british occupation zone. Hoess was tortured. Live with it. Or deny it. Either way, you come out the worse. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:33 PDT 1996 Article: 73760 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.rmii.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 'Show Trials'? No, Just Another 'Revisionist' Lie Date: 13 Oct 1996 10:01:07 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 40 Message-ID: <53qel3$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53f9j6$nm3@is05.micron.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: > > >Colonel Backhouse: Gertrud Diament [a survivor] in her > >deposition said that your favorite habit was to beat women > >until they fell to the ground and then kick them as hard > >as you could with your heavy boots? > > >Grese: That is a lie. Perhaps it is her habit to lie. > > > > > >So, an accused Nazi calling the survivors, and a senior > >member of the British counsel for the prosecution, "liars". > > >Gee. And our "revisionist scholars" have been telling us > >all along that these were "show trials", in which the accused > >Nazis were "told what to say", bla-bla. > > >"Revisionists". What a bunch of low-life Nazi liars. > > >-Danny Keren. > > The fact that -some- truth got through during the trials doesn't mean the trials as a > whole weren't show-trials, and overwhelmingly determined by coercion. -That- they were. > > Keren is notorious for grabbing a string here or there and weaving an entire blanket out > of it -- which, not coincidentially, is also a method used repeatedly throughout the > "Holocaust" theory. > > Keren is therefore an apt spokesman for the Great Myth. > > Kurt Stele > > >>>> This "habit" of Danny's to which you refer is known as setting up a "red herring", properly defined as: "a false clue intended or tending to mislead someone"..... From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:34 PDT 1996 Article: 73761 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Rosa Lopez vs Ada Bimko Date: 13 Oct 1996 10:29:01 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 1 Message-ID: <53qg9d$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:34 PDT 1996 Article: 73762 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Rosa Lopez vs Ada Bimko Date: 13 Oct 1996 10:30:13 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <53qgbl$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > >Q: In what language were you questioned? > > >A: German. > > Was German Bimko's native language? If not, I can easily see how > errors of gender may have crept in. Also, was the lawyer reading > from the original German? > > This sort of harping over inconsequentialities is a hallmark of > Holocaust denial. > >>>> I forgot to add: Lying appears to be a hallmark of Holocaust affirmation. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:35 PDT 1996 Article: 73767 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it... Date: 13 Oct 1996 10:08:04 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 26 Message-ID: <53qf24$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53pelg$21hc@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message <53lbfj$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com11 Oct 1996 > 11:36:19 GMT writes: > :> > > :>What "revisionist" sources did I use? You also neglected > :>to point out that I do not condemn sources because they come > :>from revisionists. I simply do not post them often. Perhaps > :>I will start. If their sources are accurate, there is no reason > :>not to. > > Stumpy is a "revisionist" source, Mr. "Blackmore". Please do not forget that > simply posting the source does not make it accurate. > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> True enough. That is why I always try to confirm the sources before I post. if there is any room for doubt, I will come right out and say so at the time of posting, as my "Louis marschalko" posts prove. However, even Marschalko's statements were often right on the mark, after I did a bit more of independent digging. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:36 PDT 1996 Article: 73768 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question Date: 13 Oct 1996 09:11:41 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 34 Message-ID: <53qbod$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > > ## Don't evade the question. You have accepted Kramer's testimony > ## about Belsen. That means you believe he's a reliable witness. > > # I believe he told the truth, and his statements were > # proved by other evidence. I still insist he was a > # victim of circumstances beyond his contol. > > "rblackmore" agrees that Kramer is a reliable witness. He > must agree, then, that what Kramer said about the murders > in the Natzweiler and Birkenau gas chamebrs is also true. > > > -Danny Keren. > > >>>> Ah, Danny thinks he has cleverly tricked me into admitting that Kramer admits of gassings at Brikenau and Natzweiler. However, what I wrote was that I believed that he told the truth in regard to BELSEN, AND his statements were PROVED BY OTHER EVIDENCE. Now, addressing the gas chamber issue, the "other evidence" is lacking, unless Danny wants to admit that Kramer was tortured by the British...which he was, by the way. Better luck next time, Danny. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:37 PDT 1996 Article: 73773 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.his.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me Date: 13 Oct 1996 10:31:22 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 21 Message-ID: <53qgdq$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <32614c17.26865845@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > [in response to Mike Curtis] > [snip] > > >> We are dealing with holocaust history here and not India. > > >You did not answer the questions. The similes are apropos. > > What similes? And apropos of what? > > Oooohhh! I see what you meant to say. But your *analogies* were not > *appropriate*. > > -- > John Morris > at University of Alberta > -- > >>>> I think they are. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:37 PDT 1996 Article: 73774 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Yet another one to add to the Discovery Channel Date: 13 Oct 1996 11:05:13 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 50 Message-ID: <53qid9$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) >From the so-called "Encyclopedia of the Third Reich" by Louis Snyder, McGraw-Hill Co.,1976: Under the caption "AUSCHWITZ" here is what he wrote: "It is estimated that 1 to 4 million persons died in gas ovens and by a variety of other methods at Auschwitz." Pages 13, 14. Comment: So, in 1976 we have "Professor" Snyder writing the nonsense above. The people died in "gas ovens". However, in the same article, under the same caption, Synder writes: "Those unfit for work were gassed in temporary chambers run by tank and automobile engines." Page 14. Such scholarship....such professionalism....but Mr. Gandhi will set him straight, won't you, Raj? Now, on page 166 of the same volume, here is what the same "Professor" Snyder has to say about Hoess: "At Auschwitz Hoess was responsible for the execution of MORE than 2.5 million inmates, not counting a half million who were allowed to starve to death." So, the figure went from 1 to 4 million and the astute "Professor" settled with a final count of 3,000,000. Curiously, there was no mention of Zyklon B in either article........ For the edification of Mr. Gandhi and others of the "true believer" ilk here are the names of the editors, who share a responsibility for the contents published in the book: Leonard Josephson Robert Rosenbaum Tobia Worth Please direct all your correspondence to them and let us all know how things turned out....... rb From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:38 PDT 1996 Article: 73775 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Eyewitnessess Date: 13 Oct 1996 11:06:50 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 9 Message-ID: <53qiga$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3260AD31.261@ionet.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > "Samuel G. Hammons" writes: > The topic of whether the holocaust happened or not is closed as far as I > am concerned. My grandfather was an Army captain during WWII. He was > with Patton's Third Army. He saw concentration cams and death cams that > they liberated. He said it. I believe it. Why would he make it up? > >>>> No one has ever denied there were concentration camps. What is your definition of the Holocaust? From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:39 PDT 1996 Article: 73776 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Rosa Lopez vs Ada Bimko Date: 13 Oct 1996 10:28:46 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 25 Message-ID: <53qg8u$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > >Q: In what language were you questioned? > > >A: German. > > Was German Bimko's native language? If not, I can easily see how > errors of gender may have crept in. Also, was the lawyer reading > from the original German? > > This sort of harping over inconsequentialities is a hallmark of > Holocaust denial. > >>>> PLEASE. Bimko spoke fluent German, and I speak German as well, and I assure you, the genders are NOT easy to confuse. German makes the genders quite clear. The fact is Bimko is and was a LIAR, and as I promised, you will be hearing more of her lies soon. Accusing a man of murdering someone is no inconnsequentiality, Mr. Powers. And there are 5,999,999 more accusations....shall I regard them as inconsequentialities as well? rb From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:39 PDT 1996 Article: 73780 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.rmii.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel Date: 13 Oct 1996 11:37:19 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 31 Message-ID: <53qk9f$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <326052c0.4583161@news.awinc.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes: > On 11 Oct 1996 12:17:14 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >> jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > >> rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >> Oh, get off it. If a popularization by a non-specialist issued by a > >> trade publisher makes a mistake, most people refer to it as poorly > >> researched. You, on the other hand, seem to see a big conspiracy to > >> pull the wool over all our eyes. > > >Give us a break. Deal with the lies you defend. > > Give _us_ a break and deal with the lies _you_ defend. > > >The fact is that you can still find this book in any > >major library and this publication went through many more editions > >than 11, always repeating the same old falsehood, > > The fact is that millions of books are published in North America every year > and not all of them are by people who are schooled historians or who > carefully review their facts. > > You should know this. You've read Irving, Haven't you? > > > >>>> Humpty-Holocaust is falling down, and all the king's horses and all the king's men, can't put Humpty together again........... From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:40 PDT 1996 Article: 73781 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Wife of Major Hoople Date: 13 Oct 1996 11:35:09 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 65 Message-ID: <53qk5d$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) As promised, here is more from the testimony of Ada Bimko, this time regarding the number of Jews allegedly killed in the "gas chambers" at Auschwitz: Q:- Have you ever been in the gas chambers? A:- Yes. In August, 1944, I was working in a portion of the camp as a doctor. A new crowd of those selected for the gas chamber had arrived, and as they were sick, they came covered with a blanket. After TWO DAYS we were told to fetch all those blankets from the gas chamber. I took the opportunity, as I always wanted to see this ill-famed gas chamber, and I went in. It was a brick building, and there were trees around in a way as if it were camouflaged. In the first room I met a man who came from the same town as I do. There was also an SS man with a rank of Unterscharfuehrer, and he belonged to the Red Cross. I was told that in this first big room the people left their clothes, and from this room were led into a second, and I gained the impression that hundreds and hundreds might go into this room, it was so large. It resembled the shower baths or ablution rooms we had in the camp. There were many sprays all over the ceiling in rows which were parallel. All these people who went into this room were issued with a towel and a cake of soap. so that they should have the impression that they were going to have a bath, but for anybody who looked at the floor it was quite clear that it was not so, because there were no drains.. ..I saw a few lines of rails with a small wagon which they called a lorry, and I was told that prisoners who were already gassed were put on these wagons and sent directly to the crematorium. I believe the crematorium was in the same building but I myself did not see the stove. There was yet another room a few steps higher than the previous one with a very low ceiling, and I noticed two pipes which I was told contained the gas. There were also two large metal containers containing gas." From: The Belsen Trial, pg. 68. Comment: So, here our witness states that after two days, (The caps were mine-rb) she was sent to the gas chambers with others to retrieve blankets >from the victims. I wonder how she was told-did someone say, "Go to the gas chamber and get the blankets the murdered victims left behind?" Coincidentally, she happens to "meet" a man who came from her own town. he is in the gas chamber doing heaven knows what.. While there she claims to have seen as SS man who was a member of the "Red Cross"-what he was doing and why he happened to be there, she doesn't state, nor does she state how she knew he was from the Red Cross. Then she tells us how she was TOLD that this was a gas chamber and was led into a massive shower room, which she says anyone would notice that there were no drains.....but if SHE saw it, then so would anyone else entering into that room....Then she refers to the crematorium and says that she did not see the "stove", nor did she see the people being gassed or burned, and this was in the summer of 1944, when thousands of victims allegedly had to be burned in open pits.....then, those two pipes which she said contained the gas.......Its a good thing we have the original blueprints for this area.... From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:41 PDT 1996 Article: 73789 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!centauri.hq.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 'I could not imagine anything more disgusting and horrific' Date: 13 Oct 1996 07:35:45 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 40 Message-ID: <53q64h$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53p0ap$ps5@Vir.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > Jean-Francois Beaulieu writes: > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: > > > > SS-Doctor Kremer about his days at Auschwitz: > > [Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The > > Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 258]. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups > > of women [from the women's camp in Auschwitz]. I cannot say how > >were herded into the gas chambers and gassed. > > [snip] > > excerp from :Did Six Million Really Die?: > Christie suggested to Hilberg that affidavits > affidavits such as that of Hans Marsalek appeared to be a very suspect kind of > evidence. "Well, suspect to whom?," asked Hilberg. "In other words, to me it was a > document to be used very carefully, and I am not entirely sure that I used it more > than once with reference to a minor matter, but -- it's rather obvious that a > layman confronted with a fragment of history in the form of a document should be > careful in using it, because the document does not explain itself." That's your > view of the document, sir, said Christie. But a layman looking at it would > form the opinion, first of all, the man was dying; second, they interrogated him > for six to eight hours after he had been shot; and thirdly, they take the stateme > statement and they kind of put it in the policeman's handwriting and he swears the > guy said it, right? "Yes," said Hilberg. It looks suspicious, doesn't it?, asked > Christie. "You mean as a forgery, or as an unfair thing to do to a wounded man?, > man?, " asked Hilberg. Unfair thing to do, said Christie. "Well, as I said, I have > difficulty reconstructing what is fair or unfair in these circumstances. I > don't know how badly wounded he was, what kind of care he had, whether physicians > were consulted. It is hard to say this. I, personally, would be reluctant to say > the least question of anybody who was in a state of discomfort, but that is, > you know..." (5-1039) > >>>> Wasn't this conversation referring to an officer who died a short time thereafter from the wounds which were inflicted upon him? rb From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:41 PDT 1996 Article: 73792 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 13 Oct 1996 10:41:12 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 24 Message-ID: <53qh08$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > >> >It must be clearly understood that the entire Holocaust-gassing myths > >> > stands and falls with the "confession" of Rudolf Hoess, one-time > >> > commandant of Auschwitz - an Allied prisoner who was sadistically > >> > tortured. > >> > >> I'm sure you would *like* that to be "clearly understood". That is, > >> however, utter bullshit. > >> > >>>>> > >Right. Like you are some kind of demi-god sent here to pontificate > >for the rest of us. > > You've documented the "torture" of Hoess--the Allies made him sit > in a courtroom festooned with U.S. flags. If you have better > references, don't hesitate to post them. In the meantime, perhaps > you will refrain from pontificating on what "must be clearly > understood". > > >>>> The details of the torture of Hoess come directly >from the mouth of the man who captured and tortured him-Bernhard Clarke. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:42 PDT 1996 Article: 73794 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!centauri.hq.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel Date: 13 Oct 1996 07:53:48 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 108 Message-ID: <53q76c$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <325ef82f.24644085@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > > >> jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > >> > >> >> >From: The Pictorial History of the Jewish People, > >> >> >by Nathan Ausubel, Crown Publishers, N.Y., 1961, > >> >> >ELEVENTH PRINTING. > >> > >> > Look up. Waaaay up. See where I wrote "poorly researched?" Perhaps you > would like to explain to the home audience how calling a book "poorly > researched" is a defense of it. Look up. Look WAAAAY up. Note that this book went through more than 11 printings and still persisted withthe same lie. There is no excuse for this sort of behavior. Notice that a documentary on the discovery channle referred to 4.5 million Jewish dead at Auschwitz. A popular magazine in 1994 referred to 4 million Jewish dead at Auschwitz. Where are they all getting this fake figure from? It is untrue that the Soviets began the lie. It began with the inmates themselves. Read my latest post: Where has the 4,000,000 gone? > . > > And what, pray, would you like me to do about it? Round them up and > burn them? Or press them into pulp, as the allies did with German publications after the war.... Firebomb the publisher? I am not a terrorist, nor would I recommend that you become one. Write to every library carrying a > mistaken or poorly researched book and ask them to withdraw them from > their shelves? How many of these books are there? 4 million? What I would like you to do is none of the above. I simply ask you to acknowkledge the truth that this 4 million figure was not due to "poor research" but to LIES, disseminated and perpetuated for decades, until the lie caught up with them, and there was nothing left to do but admit the falsehood. > > > Shall I continue > >to quote other sources? Yes, I shall, so everyone may > >see the fraud you promote and defend, rather than > >admitting these people and agencies were in negligent > >error. > > Look up. Waaay up. See where I wrote the word "mistake?" Look WAAAAAY up....11 plus editions over 20 years is NOT a "mistake". A figure of 4 million dead chiseled into 19 stone monuments in front of Auschwitz, visible to tens of thousands of visitors from all over the world, and a figure often quoted in the press and on "documentaries" is NOT a "mistake". It is a deliberate fraud. Perhaps you > would like to explain to the home audience how pointing out that a > book is mistaken and "poorly researched" is a defense of it. When it is poorly researched and mistaken. This is NOT the case. > > I do not promote the Holocaust. What I defend is the accuracy of the > historical record. Then defend it, and chastize the whores who desecrate it. > > > Of course, once you admit that, then everyone will > >ask, "Well, if they misrepresented this, what ELSE have they > >misrepresented?" If you can't believe the messengers, how > >can you believe the message? > > Who are "they?" A loaded question I see....what would you like me to reply? Let me guess...."They" obviously refers to the distortionists who have been quoting and disseminated a proven lie for decades, and they would have continued to have done so for centuries to come had revisionists not caught up with them and exposed their little juggling act. > (Jeff Roberts irrelevant to this topic) > > What kind of truth are *you* promoting that requires lies to defend > it? Who asked the question above-you or I? >rb > -- > From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:43 PDT 1996 Article: 73795 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nova.thezone.net!hookup!news.umbc.edu!news.ums.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.sgi.com!mr.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz Date: 13 Oct 1996 09:24:47 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 18 Message-ID: <53qcgv$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3260e9f5.1734410@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > [snip] > > >COVER-UP. > > Translation: everything on the X-files is true. > > -- > John Morris > at University of Alberta > > >>>> Apparently your Holocaust served as the proto- tupe for the x-files. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:44 PDT 1996 Article: 73799 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: RBLACKMORE LIES AGAIN... Re: Add this one to the "Discovery Channel" Date: 13 Oct 1996 11:48:09 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <53qktp$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <32605248.4462436@news.awinc.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes: > On 11 Oct 1996 11:44:56 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >> rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > > >> In a recent email, later posted to the Usenet, you made the following claim > >> about the SWC: > > >I already answered this ages ago. Why do you keep > >re-posting the same nonsense? > > Because your 'answers' haven't answered the question. > > >>>> As far as I am concerned, they have, and only an imbecile would keep reposting........ From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:45 PDT 1996 Article: 73802 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.umbc.edu!news.ums.edu!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!centauri.hq.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:32:29 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 35 Message-ID: <53q9et$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53pehh$21hc@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > > :>> > :>> His position is that the fact that the Nazi's failed in their attempt to > :>> kill all the Jews does not negate the fact of their intent. Well, I would certainly question the "intent" to commit "genocide" when I read that countless numbers of Jews survived their experiences in these "death camps". > :>> >> :>>>>> > :>And you are left with the fact that 75% of France's > :>Jews were untouched....... > > The fact that _any_ of the Jews survived doesn't negate the fact that someone > tried very hard to kill them. The survival rate of Polish Jews was about 10% > (about 2.7 million out of 3 million murdered). Doesn't that mean anyhting? I cannot accept this figure. Where did you get it from? Also, the survival rates for German civilians incarcerated in concentration camps at the end of the war was undoubtedly similar, if your figures are accurate. > > > > > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:45 PDT 1996 Article: 73803 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!loki.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: 4 million lies Date: 13 Oct 1996 11:45:59 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 21 Message-ID: <53qkpn$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) At last-the genesis of the four million! From the testimony of Ada Bimko: "One of those who took part in these Kommandos told me that other members of the Kommandos before being gassed had complete records of all these trans- ports which arrived, and then eventually were destroyed. He, himself, in fact, kept records also and he said that the number of Jews who were destroyed in this gas chamber would be about FOUR MILLION." (Caps-rb) Page 68, The Belsen Trial) Comment: One rumor, one gas chamber, FOUR million........Of course, she never mentioned the name of the man who told her these lies....perhaps no one told her and she simply made it up----what simple faith believers in the Holocaust have..... From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:46 PDT 1996 Article: 73807 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Queen of Mean Lies-Ada Bimko, or is it Bimbo? Date: 13 Oct 1996 12:12:07 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 33 Message-ID: <53qman$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Cross examination of Ada Bimko: "On 27th July (1944), I remember that all those who were even suspected, who were not yet in hospital, were sent to the gas chamber. On that day, big transports came in >from a concentration camp called Litzmannstadt and there were quite a few cases of typhoid fever."..........pg. 73 Q: I suggest to you that Dr. Klein did not arrive at Auschwitz until 15th December 1943, and accordingly could not have taken part in a selection on 1st December 1943? pg.73. A: When 4000 people were sent to the gas chambers Dr. Klein and Dr. Tilot took part in the selection." pg.73 Q: Were the crematoria and the hospital in Birkenau controlled directly from Auschwitz? A: I do not know. pg. 73 End of Quotes. Taken from: The Belsen Trial. Comments: Note that I checked the dates this "witness" mentions, particularly July 27, 1944, and December 1st and 15th 1943, and compared them with the events minutely detailed in the Auschwitz Chronicle, meticulously compiled by Danuta Czech. None of the events which this witness testified to on these dates are confirmed in the Chronicle. Ergo-more blatant lies. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:47 PDT 1996 Article: 73813 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-ext.crl.dec.com!decwrl!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:13:57 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 24 Message-ID: <53q8c5$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53o694$9g0@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > > YFE noted as a matter of fact: > > > > > > There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that > > > > >4,000,000 Jew were gassed there. > > For the record there were actually 19 of these > > massive stone slabs in front of Auschwitz which > > publicly had the false figure of 4,000,000 Jewish > > dead chisled out in July 1990. > > For the record blackmore is caught in another of his lies. There was never > any representation at Auschwitz that 4,000,000 Jews died there. Note that he > cannot quote the language of such a monument. > > Another "revisionist" caught with his honesty around his knees. > > --YFE > > > >>>> I have the photographs Yale. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:47 PDT 1996 Article: 73814 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!news.akorn.net!news.his.com!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:15:52 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 33 Message-ID: <53q8fo$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53o647$9g0@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > > > > >> There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that > > > >> 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there. > > > > Of course you can point to the page where there is such a reference, > since > > > I could find no page which says there was a massive slab on front of the > > > museum which claimed that 4 million Jews were gassed. > > > You are showing yourself more the fool every > > day. The 19 stone tablets referred to 4 million > > Jews who allegedly died there. They need not > > have mentioned gassing. It was a lie any way > > you choose to interpret it. BTW, you may now > > add these 19 stone slabs to the discovery channel, > > WWII magazine, and the Pictorial History of the > > Jewish People--and more is on the way. When > > you walk in the snow, you cannot hide your tracks..... > > There was no such placque or series of slabs. > > This is just another demonstration of how the "revisionists" lie. > > --YFE > >>>> There most certainly was, and I will be glad to send a photocopy to anyone who requests it via e-mail, but they must provide a "snail mail" address, along with postage to cover cost of photcopying and mail. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 08:50:48 PDT 1996 Article: 73819 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!ra.nrl.navy.mil!news.math.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: More on Goring's Commission to Heydrich Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:08:48 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 18 Message-ID: <53q82g$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3262f665.4918908@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > > Thank you, Mr. Jesus. > > -- > John Morris > at University of Alberta > -- I was in a Biblical frame of mind last night. I referred to the ball in your corner because it is my contention that exterminations have indeed backed themselves into a corner by adhering to the Holocaust in all its details. As to the sources, start with "Let's not be Beastly to the Sources". From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 11:34:00 PDT 1996 Article: 73846 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!chi-news.cic.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Question Rblackmore continues to refuse to answer... (was Re: RBLACKMORE LIES AGAIN... Re: Add this one to the "Discovery Channel") Date: 13 Oct 1996 10:24:37 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 33 Message-ID: <53qg15$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > In article <53nju5$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > > This was already answered. Stop wasting people's > > time with your nonsense. Have some consideration > > for people once in your life. > > This from the person who desecrates the memory of more than 6 million > people killed to satisfy a Nazi bloodthirst. > > I will not stop asking the question until you provide a satisfactory > answer.Your incoherency aside, why don¹t you finally answer the question: > > In a recent email, later posted to the Usenet, you made the following claim > about the SWC: > > "What do you say to the fact that many Jewish publications also quoted > this 4,000,000 figure for YEARS until the research made primarily by > revisionist scholars embarrassed the hell out of them. Why did the Simon > Wiesenthal Center keep silent on this figure until recently? Could MONEY > have anything to do with it?" > > You have yet to answer the following questions without prevarication: > > (1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding the SWC > (2) where is the proof for the following: > (a) that the SWC promoted the figure of 4 million knowing it was wrong > (b) that this was done for money > (3) when you can't provide that proof, you are requested to revist part > 1 and supply the truth. > >>>> Nut. Fool. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 11:34:01 PDT 1996 Article: 73861 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!news.akorn.net!news.his.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.supernet.net!news.thenet.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Rblackmore Lies for the nth time... Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 13 Oct 1996 10:21:38 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <53qfri$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > I Since you > yourself have admitted that the picture is useless, why on earth should I > waste my time trying to find it ? > >>>> So then you have contacted the discovery channel and viewed the "documentary" with its fraudulent claim that 4.5 million Jews were killed at Auschwitz? And you have contacted the editors of WW II magazine to ask them why they posted a fake number of 4,000,000 dead Jews at Auschwitz as late as 1994? And you have contacted the publishers of "Pictorial History of the Jewish People" and asked them to confess why they had published a phoney and fictictious number of 4 million Jews killed at Auschwitz in well over 11 consecutive editions of their publication? You did, didn't you? Hypocrite, fool, liar. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 15:53:25 PDT 1996 Article: 73893 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs) Date: 13 Oct 1996 09:44:37 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 26 Message-ID: <53qdm5$sbp@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53pek2$21hc@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) rblackmore writes: It appears that the figure of over a million is also in dispute. Pressac and Reitlinger claim around 800,000, yet Pressac seems to indicate that the figure could be much less. One would have to accept the story that people were not registered upon arrival and then dispatched to the "gas chambers". However, without any actual proof to rely on except "eyewitness testimony" I am inclined to disbelieve it, based on other eyewitness testimonies I have read. As to the Holocaust, it depends upon one's definition, and there seems to be much difference of opinion on this subject. Not only are the alleged mortality rates disputed, but also the means of "extermination" and the disposal of the bodies. The "whys", "hows", and "how many" have not been answered to my satisfaction. It also does not help when people like Yale Edeikin claim that Dr. Larson examined deceased inmates from Dachau and claimed that they died from cyanide poisoning. Mr. E. also claimed that toxicological tests were conducted and that they proved death resulted from gassing. However, when I repeatedly requested copies of both the autopsy and toxicological reports, he referred me to comments made by Larson without any forensic reports to prove his statements. At present, I have no definite opinion on the subject of gassing, but I DO have a problem with it for many reasons, which I hope to post soon. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 15:53:27 PDT 1996 Article: 73897 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!chi-news.cic.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel Date: 13 Oct 1996 07:54:38 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 14 Message-ID: <53q77u$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3260552b.258312@news.awinc.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes: > On 12 Oct 1996 08:35:15 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > > >Sounds like you are talking about yourself again, Raj. > >Keep talking-I assure you no one is listening anymore. > > Nope. There are many of us listening, Herr Belling, and many more who are > listening and not saying anything and nearly all of them are intelligent > enough to see that you have been avoiding this question for a long time now. > > >>>> What in God's name are you talking about, Ken? From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 15:53:28 PDT 1996 Article: 73902 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:38:33 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 32 Message-ID: <53q9q9$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <325F4E08.167E@itsa.ucsf.edu> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > Brian Harmon writes: > Jeffrey wrote: > > > > Bergen-Belsen Camp: The suppressed story > > by Mark Weber > > [..] > > Ghastly images recorded by Allied photographers at Belsen in mid-April > > 1945 and widely reproduced ever since have greatly contributed to the > > camp's reputation as a notorious extermination center. In fact, the dead > > of Bergen-Belsen were, above all, unfortunate victims of war and its > > turmoil, not deliberate policy. It can even be argued that they were as > > much victims of Allied as of German measures. > > ... Despite the fact that available food and water was not > supplied to the inmates, despite the fact that starving and > sick inmates were forced to work, and despite the fact that > Kramer clearly did not care about the lives of his inmates. > > Garbage. The Nazis knew precisely what they were doing. > > Brian Harmon >>>> Mr. Harmon-you have been given an in-depth view of the actual situation at Belsen, and your close- mindedness is evident for the world to see. I have posted the facts in this case, but you ignore them because you are the victim of your own prejudices. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 15:53:29 PDT 1996 Article: 73903 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:35:06 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 24 Message-ID: <53q9jq$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <325fa0da.1924022@news.awinc.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes: > On Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:43:23 -0400, "Annie Alpert, OFB" > wrote: > > >rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >> I have to disagree with that one completely. > >> If it had been their intention to exterminate the Jews > >> within their sphere of control, then there would not > >> have been a survivor left. The very fact that only > >> 25% of France's Jewish population was ever deported > >> disproves your thesis. > > >So you're saying that if someone doens't finish a job it's the same as > >if they had never tried to do it at all?? Yeah, right. The "job", as I see it, was to deport as many Jews as possible out of war zones. In achieving this goal, I feel they were highly effective. rb > > From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 15:53:30 PDT 1996 Article: 73904 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:27:38 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 18 Message-ID: <53q95q$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53peic$21hc@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: (Re: the 4million figured inscribed and chiseled out from stone) > > They were wrong, Mr. Blackmore. Does their having been wrong mean that no > Jews were gassed at Auschwitz? > > > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> On this particular issue? No. As to the gassings, that is a separate question we can deal with later. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 15:53:31 PDT 1996 Article: 73906 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:26:03 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 28 Message-ID: <53q92r$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53peic$21hc@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message <53la2s$jef@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com11 Oct 1996 > 11:12:28 GMT writes: > :> > :>> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes: > :> > :>(Irrelevant drivel) > :>> > :>>>>> > :>But the lie of 4 million Jewish "gassed" at Auschwitz > :>was officially chiseled out of the massive slabs in front > :>of the Auschwitz Museum in 1994! Let's talk about that > :>one for a while. > > They were wrong, Mr. Blackmore. Does their having been wrong mean that no > Jews were gassed at Auschwitz? > > > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> On this particular issue? No. As to the gassings, that is a separate question we can deal with later. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 16:38:23 PDT 1996 Article: 73917 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story Date: 13 Oct 1996 09:05:23 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 19 Message-ID: <53qbcj$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709): > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider > that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant, > Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time > Kramer's second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who > worked in Kramer's office and was responsible for food supply. > I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among > other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the > increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, "let them die, why > should you care?". > > >>>> Herta Ehlert was a petty thief and a liar. Read my post on Ehlert for the true circumstances. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:21 PDT 1996 Article: 73931 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:59:02 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 44 Message-ID: <53qb0m$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > He was a member of the Hungarian guard [1], but the > shooting was not confined to Hungarians; it was simply terrible, > hundreds were shot per day. Danny and his red herrings, which he posts over and over again. The Belsen case does not rest or fall with this man's testimony. Here are a few things Danny left out of Druillensec's testimony: "By the second day we realized that although some rather primitive type of sanitation existed, it was NOT USED by the vast majority." Page 59. (Capitals mine for emphasis-rb) Cross-examined by Captain Fielden: Q. Were all the SS men in Belsen responsible for ill-treatment and shooting? A.- No, the shootings I saw on the last three days were by Hungarian guards. Most of the guards in the huts were not SS at all, but, on the orders of the SS, were Blockaeltesten, Kapos, and Vorarbeiter and the like. I did not see SS men in the vicinity of my compound during my stay there......Page 64 Finally: Q:- Did you actually see anyone except the Hungarians shoot an internee?" A: "No." Page 67. END OF QUOTES. All taken from, "The Belsen Trial" > > > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:22 PDT 1996 Article: 73950 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 4 million lies Date: 13 Oct 1996 23:18:40 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 40 Message-ID: <53rtcg$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > >At last-the genesis of the four million! From > >the testimony of Ada Bimko: > > > he said that the number of > >Jews who were destroyed in this gas chamber > >would be about FOUR MILLION." (Caps-rb) > > >Page 68, The Belsen Trial) > > >Comment: One rumor, one gas chamber, FOUR > >million........Of course, she never mentioned the > >name of the man who told her these lies....perhaps > >no one told her and she simply made it up----what > >simple faith believers in the Holocaust have..... > > Perhaps you need to analyze the verb tense used. Bimko's interlocutor > may have been speculating on how much output the gas chamber could > get if allowed to do its work indefinitely. He may also have been > overly optimistic. Interesting how you once more pull a "lie" from > such information.... > >>>> The same "lie" that has been repeated over and over again: on the Discovery Channel, in the book "pictorial history of the Jewish people", in WWII magazine, as well as being inscribed in the 19 slabs adorning the front of the Auschwitz state "Museum" from where the fake figure was chiseled out from all of them in July 1990, at the direction of F. Piper himself! And more examples of the same brazen lie repeated over and over again are soon to follow. Now, as to your comments: No, the problem was not interlocution, the problem was a LIE, either fabricated by Bimko, or the "Sonderkommando" she claims uttered it. Do you find that "optimistic"? Interesting how you defend a LIE...... rb From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:23 PDT 1996 Article: 73951 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 4 million lies Date: 13 Oct 1996 23:20:21 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 38 Message-ID: <53rtfl$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <326cf9fe.5115165@199.0.216.204> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: > >rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > >>At last-the genesis of the four million! From > >>the testimony of Ada Bimko: > > > >>"One of those who took part in these > >>Kommandos told me that other members > >>of the Kommandos before being gassed > >>had complete records of all these trans- > >>ports which arrived, and then eventually > >>were destroyed. He, himself, in fact, kept > >>records also and he said that the number of > >>Jews who were destroyed in this gas chamber > >>would be about FOUR MILLION." (Caps-rb) > > > >>Page 68, The Belsen Trial) > > > >>Comment: One rumor, one gas chamber, FOUR > >>million........Of course, she never mentioned the > >>name of the man who told her these lies....perhaps > >>no one told her and she simply made it up----what > >>simple faith believers in the Holocaust have..... > > > >Perhaps you need to analyze the verb tense used. Bimko's interlocutor > >may have been speculating on how much output the gas chamber could > >get if allowed to do its work indefinitely. He may also have been > >overly optimistic. Interesting how you once more pull a "lie" from > >such information.... > > One person calls it a lie, another says it is merely > "speculating" and/or "optimistic". > > This is testimony at a trial? Then maybe 'prejury' is a word that > could be agreed upon. > >>>> Indeed, and perjury is commonly known as lying under oath.... From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:24 PDT 1996 Article: 73966 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Apology to Nizkor & Jamie M. Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:09:33 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 28 Message-ID: <53s0bt$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53r1l4$t8i@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message <53nftl$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes: > :> > > :>Have you read my post as to where you may obtain > :>the information re: Streicher under torture? > > You posted a reference to a book by Fritzsche, a book you obviously haven't > read. I am talking about _Streicher_. > > > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > Why do you second guess me? I refer you again to Fritzsche, as I HAVE read the entire book and he discusses the Streicher incident. I also supplied you with all the pertinent page numbers. Are you saying that you did not read the post? I also referred you to the comprehensive work by Werner Maser, "Nuremberg" where he presents the evidence for the torture of Streicher, his wife, Adele, and Hans Frank. I also gave you the page numbers. Did you or did you not read the post? From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:25 PDT 1996 Article: 73967 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: First step to the United States ban on Holocaust denial Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:05:42 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 24 Message-ID: <53s04m$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3274030d.7434318@199.0.216.204> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: > > > In the L.A.Times, 4/17/96, "Rotunda Rite in Remembrance of > Holocaust" it was reported that the main responsible parties for > supplying the arms of terrorism to Israel gathered at the Rotunda rite > in observance or Day of Remembrance. > "Members of Congress, Jewish leaders and five Supreme Court > justices gathered for the 15th Rotunda ceremony ..." > > It didn't say how many members of congress attended, but it also > reported that "Shortly after, the House passed, 420 - 0, a resolution > deploring individuals who deny the historical reality of the > Holocaust. > > First the "deploring" then the total caving in; Special > exclusions to the First Amendment. > > NO MORE QUESTIONING OF HOLOCAUST REALITY > >>>> Third step will be that anyone who questions the Bible, the Koran, Buddhism, Scientology, etc. etc., will also be threatened with severe punishment and chastisement. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:25 PDT 1996 Article: 73973 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45 Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:20:32 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 23 Message-ID: <53s10g$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53mq6d$6qf@grivel.une.edu.au> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > : No. Your general comments do not suffice. Please give explicit > : examples. Do not refer to posts that will take me a while to > : research and for which you have been advised in advance. > > > That is interesting, coming, as it does, from soemone/somthing > who/which responded to repeated requests for explicit examples > by instructing the questioners to look at his/her/itsarticles > in alt.revisionism and/or Dejanews. I believe the English > words and expressions which describe this poster would > therefore include: cant, hypocrite, disingenuous,..... > > > d.A. > >>>> Are you referring to yourself? Lazy ass-get off your ass and research the cited references if you are so interested....You know what they used to call a d.A.? ....Duck's ass.... From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:26 PDT 1996 Article: 73974 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs) Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:15:51 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 30 Message-ID: <53s0nn$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > >upon arrival and then dispatched to the "gas chambers". However, > >without any actual proof to rely on except "eyewitness testimony" > >I am inclined to disbelieve it, based on other eyewitness testimonies > >I have read. > > Do you similarly discount eyewitness testimony of Soviet atrocities? Depends. Which do you refer to? > > >claimed that they died from cyanide poisoning. Mr. E. also claimed > >that toxicological tests were conducted and that they proved death > >resulted from gassing. However, when I repeatedly requested copies > >of both the autopsy and toxicological reports, he referred me to comments > >made by Larson without any forensic reports to prove his statements. > > Do you possess or have access to forensic reports on alleged victims > of Soviet atrocities? Which do you refer to? BTW, Edeikin claimed such reports exist and he had access to them. I do not say that I have such reports concerning the Soviets. This being the case, what IS your point? rb > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:27 PDT 1996 Article: 73975 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs) Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:16:34 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 32 Message-ID: <53s0p2$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53r1p2$t8i@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message <53ng5r$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes: > :> > :>> mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes: > :>> gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote: > :>> > :>> >Glad to see you and Mr. Giwer so chummy. You certainly pick your friends > :>> >well. > :>> > > :>> > :>> So did Mr. Ehrlich606! > :>> > :>> Then he disappeared. Sad in a way. He had a better style. > :> > :> > :>> > :>>>>> > :>Have no worry. He will probably be back soon. > > Yes, I expect the timing would be just about right, wouldn't it? :-) > > > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> What are you implying? rb From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:28 PDT 1996 Article: 73976 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: BUCHENWALD: LEGEND AND REALITY Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:17:37 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 23 Message-ID: <53s0r1$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images > > buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg: > Emaciated corpses of the inmates. > > buchenwald02.jpg: > Artifacts made from corpses of inmates. > > shrunken.jpg: > The shrunken head of an inmate. > > buchenwald04.jpg: > German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops > have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how > well-dressed and well-fed they are. > > > -Danny Keren. > > >>>> Danny's collection of bubble gum cards of horrors again. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:28 PDT 1996 Article: 73977 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Rblackmore and the usual prevarication... Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:34:50 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <53s1ra$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > > > You have also thus far refused to answer, without any prevarication whatsoever, > the following questions: > > (1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding the SWC > (2) where is the proof for the following: > (a) that the SWC promoted the figure of 4 million knowing it was wrong > (b) that this was done for money > (3) when you can't provide that proof, you are requested to revist part > 1 and supply the truth. > >>>> Fool. Liar. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:29 PDT 1996 Article: 73978 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!loki.tor.hookup.net!nic.ott.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story Date: 13 Oct 1996 09:03:59 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 20 Message-ID: <53qb9v$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > The following photos are in (Danny's horror collection snipped) > > > > -Danny Keren. > > >>>> The photos only prove people died. Danny seems to be so fond of these pictures, like a baseball card collection. What the pictures do not show is that typhus was raging through out the camp and this disease is no respecter of persons. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:30 PDT 1996 Article: 73979 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: I'm Waiting For Some Answers, Mr. Blackmore. Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:30:45 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 16 Message-ID: <53s1jl$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > I fear, old son, that you will have to wait a long time. > > Poor old "rblackmore" is now stuck with the following problem: how > on earth to keep arguing that Kramer's testimony about Belsen is > true, and that he is a reliable and truthful witness, yet dismiss > what he said about the murder in the Birkenau gas chambers - which > took place when he commanded Birkenau - and what he said about the > murder in the Natzweiler gas chamber, which he carried out himself? > > > -Danny Keren. > > >>>> It is no problem. I already gave you an answer. From rblackmore!@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:30 PDT 1996 Article: 73980 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it... Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:32:35 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 26 Message-ID: <53s1n3$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53msbt$6qf@grivel.une.edu.au> Reply-To: rblackmore!@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > : > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > > : > What documents? All I have seen are little snippets of quotes from > : > unknown documents. > : > > : > Perhaps if you provided the promised footnotes? > : > > : > -- > > > : I'll post them. Then what? > > Then those readers who are interested can check > them and read on. Who knows what other interesting > items such a person might find? > > > d.A. > > > >>>> They have been posted. Don't look too far though, you might become stigmatized. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:31 PDT 1996 Article: 73981 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:33:22 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 15 Message-ID: <53s1oi$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > In article <53qh08$sin@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > [snip] > > > The details of the torture of Hoess come directly > > from the mouth of the man who captured and > > tortured him-Bernhard Clarke. > > No, the 'details' of the alleged mistreatment comes from a book written by > Butler, who quotes Clarke. This is hearsay, and thus suspect. > >>>> No. the conversation between the 2 was recorded. Contact the author, fool. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:32 PDT 1996 Article: 73983 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!news.total.net!super.zippo.com!zdc-e!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 13 Oct 1996 23:55:48 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 38 Message-ID: <53rvi4$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53r1h1$t8i@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message <53nd5f$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes: > :> > :>> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > :>> > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > :>> > > kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes: > :>> > > :>> > (Irrelevant drivel) > :>> > > > :>> > >>>> > :>> > But the lie of 4 million Jewish "gassed" at Auschwitz > :>> > was officially chiseled out of the massive slabs in front > :>> > of the Auschwitz Museum in 1994! Let's talk about that > :>> > one for a while. > :>> > > :>> >>>> > :>> There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that > :>> 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there. > > :>You stepped in it that time. The inscription clearly > :>stated that 4 million Jews died in Auschwitz. Whether > :>gassed or shot, or from disease, the LIE remains the same. > > I am afraid _you_ stepped in it, Mr. "Blackmore". Your own quote above says, > "the lie of 4 million 'gassed' at Auschwitz". Mr. Edeiken correctly pointed > out that never had been such a statement in front of the Auschwitz museum. > You could have simply admitted your error if it is civil debate you want. > > Posted and e-mailed. > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> Please see my detailed reply to this in the post previous to this one, where I respond to Ms. Alpert. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:32 PDT 1996 Article: 73986 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Rosa Lopez vs Ada Bimko Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:49:02 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 35 Message-ID: <53s2lu$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > >> Was German Bimko's native language? If not, I can easily see how > >> errors of gender may have crept in. Also, was the lawyer reading > >> from the original German? > >> > >> This sort of harping over inconsequentialities is a hallmark of > >> Holocaust denial. > >> > >>>>> > >PLEASE. Bimko spoke fluent German, and I speak > >German as well, and I assure you, the genders are > >NOT easy to confuse. German makes the genders quite > >clear. > > You failed to answer my question. Was it her native language? What > is the source of your knowledge of her competence in it? What is > the source of your knowledge of the competence of those who may > have transcribed or translated her testimony? > > My wife speaks English "fluently," and she still drives me crazy > with confused genders. English makes genders quite clear, but her > speech frequently does not. > > I am simply proposing a number of possible explanations. There may > be others. Your seizing on this apparent inconsistency to discredit > all of Bimko's testimony is absurd. > >>>> She is a liar. Why don't you just admit it? If you don't think so, then deal with her other lies which she uttered in the same court. If you can't believe the messengers, how can you believe the message? From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:33 PDT 1996 Article: 73989 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs) Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:08:43 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 15 Message-ID: <53ng5r$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3263ddd9.2665182@news.inetport.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes: > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote: > > >Glad to see you and Mr. Giwer so chummy. You certainly pick your friends > >well. > > > > So did Mr. Ehrlich606! > > Then he disappeared. Sad in a way. He had a better style. > >>>> Have no worry. He will probably be back soon. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:34 PDT 1996 Article: 73992 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:55:24 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 26 Message-ID: <53s31s$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > # Ah, Danny thinks he has cleverly tricked me into > # admitting that Kramer admits of gassings at > # Brikenau and Natzweiler. However, what I wrote > # was that I believed that he told the truth in regard > # to BELSEN, AND his statements were PROVED BY > # OTHER EVIDENCE. > > No, no, nazi-boy. If you say he lied about Auschwitz and > Natzweiler, you cannot claim he told the truth about Belsen. > > Re "PROVED BY OTHER EVIDENCE": I really can't understand how > tens-of-thousands of emaciated corpses of the inmates, with the > SS staff doing just great and everyone of them fat like a pig, > is any proof that Kramer did his best to help the inmates. > > > -Danny Keren. > > >>>> Better luck next time, Danny. All of your comments have been rebutted in previous posts. You have no other evidence to prove the alleged gassings at natzweiler. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:35 PDT 1996 Article: 73995 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:12:35 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 29 Message-ID: <53s0hj$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <845211023snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes: > In article <53qbod$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > Ah, Danny thinks he has cleverly tricked me into > > admitting that Kramer admits of gassings at > > Brikenau and Natzweiler. However, what I wrote > > was that I believed that he told the truth in regard > > to BELSEN, AND his statements were PROVED BY > > OTHER EVIDENCE. > > > > Now, addressing the gas chamber issue, the "other > > evidence" is lacking, unless Danny wants to admit > > that Kramer was tortured by the British...which he > > was, by the way. Better luck next time, Danny. > > I have found no evidence that Kramer was "tortured" by the British, although > he was ill-treated. I have seen his original statement and it is written in > English. I think this is far more significant than any abuse. Later he made > a second statement in which he made "admissions"; this sounds a bit like an > attempt to plea bargain. > > -- > "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself > the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy > >>>> I will not argue with that. Mistreatment can be a form of torture. I didn't mean to imply that he was stretched on the rack..... From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:35 PDT 1996 Article: 73996 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:13:35 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 33 Message-ID: <53s0jf$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53r1n3$t8i@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message - dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) > writes: > :> > :>rblackmore@juno.com writes: > :># dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > :> > :>## Don't evade the question. You have accepted Kramer's testimony > :>## about Belsen. That means you believe he's a reliable witness. > :> > :># I believe he told the truth, and his statements were > :># proved by other evidence. I still insist he was a > :># victim of circumstances beyond his contol. > :> > :>"rblackmore" agrees that Kramer is a reliable witness. He > :>must agree, then, that what Kramer said about the murders > :>in the Natzweiler and Birkenau gas chamebrs is also true. > > Hehehe. > > I will be watching for the answer to this one. > > E-mailed to Dr. Keren and Mr. "Blackmore". > > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> It is posted, but I think you will be disappointed with what Danny thought was a clever stratagem. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:36 PDT 1996 Article: 73998 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!chi-news.cic.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:56:53 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 21 Message-ID: <53s34l$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > # The photos only prove people died. > > Yeh, "only" that. > > # Danny seems to be so fond of these pictures, like a > # baseball card collection. > > I am only documenting what your fuehrer considered as his > greatest achievement. So why are you upset? Really, you > nazi-boys should be grateful. > > > -Danny Keren. > > >>>> 6,000,000 Jews did not die. You should be greatful and happy, instead of wallowing in your horror collection. From rblackmore@juno.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:36 PDT 1996 Article: 73999 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!chi-news.cic.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 14 Oct 1996 01:02:28 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 23 Message-ID: <53s3f4$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <32613c30.1528343@news.awinc.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes: > On 13 Oct 1996 10:41:12 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >> karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > > >> You've documented the "torture" of Hoess--the Allies made him sit > >> in a courtroom festooned with U.S. flags. If you have better > >> references, don't hesitate to post them. In the meantime, perhaps > >> you will refrain from pontificating on what "must be clearly > >> understood". > > >The details of the torture of Hoess come directly > >from the mouth of the man who captured and > >tortured him-Bernhard Clarke. > > You are still dealing in hearsay. Provide the primary source. Clark, the man who tortured him. Write to Mr. Butler and ask him for a copy of the tape of his interview. > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:03 PDT 1996 Article: 74007 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: RBLACKMORE LIES AGAIN... Re: Add this one to the "Discovery Channel" Date: 12 Oct 1996 08:13:56 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <53nk04$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > In article <53lbvo$jef@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > [snip] > > > I already answered this ages ago. Why do you keepre-posting the same > > nonsense? > > > You have yet to answer the following questions without prevarication: > (snip)> This was already answered. Stop wasting people's time with your nonsense. Have some consideration for people once in your life. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:04 PDT 1996 Article: 74010 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel Date: 14 Oct 1996 03:16:41 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 25 Message-ID: <53sbap$fvh@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <32613c81.1608918@news.awinc.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd37-122.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes: > On 13 Oct 1996 11:37:19 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > > >Humpty-Holocaust is falling down, and all > >the king's horses and all the king's men, > >can't put Humpty together again........... > > It is in no danger from your pseudo scholarship, Herr Belling. > > When you are long dead and gone the facts of the Holocaust will still be > there and crackpots like you will still be making the same tired old claims > of winning a debate. > > You are only fooling yourself, Herr Belling. The only place your light > shines (and dimly at that) is in this conference. Nothing _you_ are likely > to come up with is going to overcome the overwhelming preponderance of > evidence. > >>>> what evidence? Seems you are now getting a bit more serious. Good. Are you ready to debate issues seriously now, without recourse to name calling and ridicule? rb From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:04 PDT 1996 Article: 74022 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Six heads are better than one Date: 14 Oct 1996 03:39:04 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 45 Message-ID: <53scko$fvh@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd37-122.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) According to the author of the book, "A Secret Press in Nazi Europe" the following was related: Malka Epstein, a Jewish girl from Kielce, Poland, became a legendary partisan. She and her group of Jewish partisans blew up telegraph and telephone communications, along with German trains loaded with trucks, oil, and ammunition. Epstein, along with Jewish guerillas surprised a German commander, who was notorious for his cruelty. They attacked him in his bedroom and decapitated his head. The following morning, German soldiers found it along with the heads of five other Nazi officers tied to the branches of a tree outside the town gate. The all Jewish guerilla band led by its leader, Epstein the poet, attacked a German garrison numbering two hundred soldiers. The garrison was wiped out to the last man. Source: A Secret Press in Nazi Europe, Isaac Kowalski, Shengold Pub., 1978, pg. 189. Comment: These events must have endeared the Jewish population to the Nazi authorities. Aside >from sounding like a cross between an infamous scene in the Godfather, the event seems to parallel the later activities of the Stern and Irgun terrorist bands, so active in assassinations of British soldiers. Apparently, the fields of Europe served as the training ground for the Jewish Independence fighters. I would be interested in knowing the German commander's name, which the author fails to provide, and the acts of cruelty he was accused of committing. If this account is true, it is beginning to resemble the tales in the old testament....in particular, the story of Deborah, which gives the account a tinge of religious mythology. The Book of "Shoah" may yet be included in the Bible..... rb From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:05 PDT 1996 Article: 74027 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: A Bomb in the Key of "D", for DEAD Date: 14 Oct 1996 04:16:18 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 36 Message-ID: <53seqi$fvh@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd37-122.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) In the book, "A Secret Press in Nazi Europe", the publishers reproduce a photo of 3 pathetic appearing German youths, with forlorn expressions on their faces and German Luftwaffe Uniforms as their clothing. The caption below the photo reads: "To the end of the war these 14 year old children were Hitler's soldiers, because the mature soldiers were already dead, wounded, or in captivity." Pg. 144. Now, please compare these sentiments with the way German children were actually treated by the allies in my posts, "Let's not be beastly to the Germans". Aside from that, compare the following instance also related in the same book, page 178,179: Several of Kruschev's top Partisan Lieutenants were Jewish men. Among his partisans was also included a twelve-year-old boy named Motele. Dyada Misha sent this youthful partisan on an extraordinary mission to Owrucz, a nearby town to see what kind of action could ne carried out there. Motele brought back the news that he had been engaged as a violinist at the military place of entertainment. Dyada Misha and the partisan Popow, a mine expert, gave proper instructions to the youngster and Motele smuggled some dynamite in his violin case. He was thus able to blow up the dance hall, burying all of the German soldiers. (Along with God knows how many innocent civilians-rb) Some time later Motele too perished." Ibid.pg. 179. Comment: It seems that Jewish children were exploited for the needs of the Partisans as well. Very sad. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:06 PDT 1996 Article: 74028 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me Date: 14 Oct 1996 04:19:29 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 19 Message-ID: <53sf0h$fvh@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3260F9A5.4185@rio.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd37-122.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > Chuck Ferree writes: > Chuck Ferree wrote: > > for rbl > > How come you don't bring up the slaughter of thousands, maybe millions > of Native Americans, by the transplanted Europeans. They did it you > know. > But I wonder what that tragedy has to do with the Nazi Holocaust? > > Chuck I have brought this subject up. rb > > We are dealing with holocaust history here and not India. > >>>> Nope. These are valid parallels, whether you like it or not. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:06 PDT 1996 Article: 74029 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Who can make the guns shine?-The "Candyman Can" Date: 14 Oct 1996 04:00:25 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 10 Message-ID: <53sdsp$fvh@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd37-122.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) In this case, according to the author of Secret Press in Nazi Europe, the "Candyman" is a Jewish partisan thief: "Eliahu Baron, an engineer by profession, was a wholesale thief, specializing in weapons. He supplied our people with guns. He also stocked the Polish under- ground with vast quantities of weapons." Page 194. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:07 PDT 1996 Article: 74053 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 12 Oct 1996 06:32:28 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 26 Message-ID: <53ne1s$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <32670dd4.19712747@199.0.216.204> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > >wrote: > > Moran doesn't know anything about a "slab" but he has seen > references to a before and after. At one time, not too long a go, a > sign in from of the Auschwitz grounds that claimed 4,000,000, and a > sign that is there now as referred to by Simon Wiesenthal, "Responses > to Revisionist Arguments", "Question 13", "For years, the death > statistics at Auschwitz-Birkenau had been put at well over 3 million. > recently however a memorial plaque ...". > > Perhaps Simon Wiesenthal just didn't bother to say there was a > 'before' plaque, only the 'after'. > > I believe when Simon Wiesenthal says "well over a 3 million" he > knows it was 4 million. > > Was it a slab? I personally don't know. But if it was and is, > then we could probably call it a slab, maybe even a monolith. > >>>> It was actually 19 slabs! rb From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:08 PDT 1996 Article: 74061 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 14 Oct 1996 08:34:08 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 19 Message-ID: <53stu0$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53rqnr$60i@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > > > > > There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz > Musuem that > > > > > 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there. > > > > It's very easy to dispute this: quote the placque. > > > I have the photos. > > So have I. Now post the inscription which makes no mention of > 4,000,000 "Jews." > > --YFE > >>>> You have the photos? From where? From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:08 PDT 1996 Article: 74064 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.rmii.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 14 Oct 1996 08:50:02 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 58 Message-ID: <53surq$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53s3os$60i@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > Too bad you don't have > the guts to admit it, I just did, cousellor....it was an error, not a lie, like the 4 million...... > > believe you will agree that Jews are people, and that the > > overwhelming majority of alleged fatalities at Auschwitz were > > Jewish? > > The majority of the people murdered at Auschwitz were Jewish. The > inscription was written to minimize this fact. It specifically did not refer to Jews. That is the most pathetic explanation I have ever read. Of course, the Pictorial History of the Jewish people reprinted this 4 million figure year after year after year..... > > > > But there is no reference to either "Jews" or to "gassing." The fact is > that it was not meant to the refer to Jews. Liar. > > > This is just another example of how "exterminationists" > > deny the facts even when they are flaunted directly in > > their face. > > You are the one who made the inaacurate statement. What was inaccurate? The fact that the monuments claimed 4 million human beings died at Auschwitz? Though it did not mention gas, please enlighten us counselor--how did the Auschwitz museum represent these alleged millions of Jewish deaths over the past 45 years? How did they maintain they died, and in what numbers? After you tell us, refer to the testimony of Ada Bimko, another mendacious witness, who claimed at the Belsen trial in 1946 that 4 million Jews were gassed to death in Krema II. Explain that one for us counsellor. Please do, because I am waiting to post something written by the Auschwitz State Museum.....Go ahead, make my day...... > > > > > Which was prompted by compaints about the manner in which the > murder of Jews at Auschwitz was minimized by the authorities. Minimized?! Four million wasn't enough? No, it was prompted by David Cole's video, among other reasons. They were caught in their scam, plain and simple. The dream is over. You can squirm and wiggle all you want, but the obvious conclusions will be drawn. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:09 PDT 1996 Article: 74065 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 14 Oct 1996 08:37:05 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 13 Message-ID: <53su3h$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <32610B66.D00@rio.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > Chuck Ferree writes: > Chuck Ferree wrote: > > How many times has rbl been to Auschwitz, and seen the monuments? > Nada! > > So all this monkey knows is what some other turkey tells him, or what > he reads in natsie type books. He's so full of shit, he stinks. > > Fool. The photos were of the Pope praying in front of the monuments (slabs) and were published around the world. BTW, a skunk smells his own hole first. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:09 PDT 1996 Article: 74066 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 14 Oct 1996 08:38:04 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 26 Message-ID: <53su5c$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53rr72$60i@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > > > There was no such placque or series of slabs. > > > > This is just another demonstration of how the "revisionists" lie. > > > There most certainly was, and I will be glad to send > > a photocopy to anyone who requests it via e-mail, > > but they must provide a "snail mail" address, along with > > postage to cover cost of photcopying and mail. > > It is asimple, short inscription. blackmore does not post it. blackmore > will not post it. > > The reason is simple. There is no statement that 4,000,000 "Jews" wer > "gassed." > > Just another case of a "revisionist" inventing something so he can lie > about the Holocaust. > > --YFE > >>>> You are the liar. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:10 PDT 1996 Article: 74069 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!loki.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story Date: 13 Oct 1996 09:01:12 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 18 Message-ID: <53qb4o$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > Testimony of SS-doctor, Obersturmfuherer Fritz Klein (p. 717): > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Whilst at Belsen I made several complaints to Kommandant Kramer > about the conditions there. I was told that I was only a doctor > and that it was nothing to do with me. Three days before the > British came, when I took over the camp, I had a talk with > Kramer about the conditions. I told Kramer that the corpses > should be removed, and that water should be supplied to > prisoners as many were dying from thirst. Kramer said he did > not take orders from me. > > >>>> Danny's red herrings. It was obvious that the people in the camp needed water, that is why Kramer was arranging for the surrender of the camp to the British. And he did not have to explain his actions to Klein. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:11 PDT 1996 Article: 74071 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 14 Oct 1996 09:25:39 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 39 Message-ID: <53t0uj$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <326579ee.2303854@news.inetport.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes: > kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote: > > >karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote: > > > >>You've documented the "torture" of Hoess--the Allies made him sit > >>in a courtroom festooned with U.S. flags. If you have better > >>references, don't hesitate to post them. In the meantime, perhaps > >>you will refrain from pontificating on what "must be clearly > >>understood". > > > >Well, since Charles also wrote: > > > >"Fine. One should be skeptical of hearsay. OTOH, sometimes hearsay is all > >you've got. That's true of Soviet history as well as Holocaust history, > >isn't it? So does one dismiss hearsay testimony altogether as historically > >valueless, or does one recognize that the standards of some courts of law > >are not necessarily those one should apply in evaluating information > >outside a courtroom?" > > > >Then here's something interesting on Hoess: > > > >Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis "admissions" were secured: > > > > This distortionist realizes that this stuff has nothing to do with > Höss. > > It concerns Malmady. > > > Mike Curtis E-mail mcurtis@inetport.com > > Over 365 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi? > Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/ > Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/ (Under construction - permanently!) > >>>> That's Malmedy. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:11 PDT 1996 Article: 74072 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:00:16 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 25 Message-ID: <53rvqg$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53r1ii$t8i@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message <53nfam$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes: > :> > The lie was propagated with either malicious > :>or irresponsible intent to deceive and inflame the public. > > Only if one erects a straw man in order to later knock it down. The precise > number murdered during the Holocaust is only a matter of incidental academic > interest. It is the historicity of the Holocaust that is the issue. Do you > deny that? I do not deny it-I simply ask for a precise definition of the Holocaust, which is not incompatible with all the lies and distortions which are being exposed in this USENET. It seems that the "Holocaust" is subject to many interpretations.... rb > > > > -- > From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:12 PDT 1996 Article: 74073 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:03:01 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 33 Message-ID: <53rvvl$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53r1jr$t8i@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message <53nfhk$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes: > :> > :>> mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes: > :> > :> > :>> We aren't defending these errors. There is bad history and good > :>> history. then there is excellent history. I could take your pal Butz > :>> and Mayer and do the same thing. Call their errors lies. Of course > :>> Butz does lie, Mayer is just sloppy. > :> > :>BTW, Mr. Butz is not my pal. I do not know him, > :>nor have I ever quoted extensively from his work. > :>By using such expressions, you are using a method > :>of non-argument known as "setting up a scarecrow". > > You have done the same and worse since you started posting here, Mr. > "Blackmore". If I have, I still have years of practice to go until I catch up with 50 years of lies and distortions. My postition is that what you wrote about me is untenable, so I ask for specific instances and an opportunity to reply to them. > rb> > > -- > > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:12 PDT 1996 Article: 74074 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 14 Oct 1996 09:54:43 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 18 Message-ID: <53t2l3$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > > # C[4026k]tell us, nazi-boy, why the Poles would have "forced" > ^^^^^^^^ > # Hoess to write this? > > Sorry, people - I was running the "Macaulay" symbolic computation > program in the background and it dumped this output into my > article. It is NOT the secret ZOG command to send "Kurt Stele" > into action again :-). > > > -Danny Keren. > > >>>> How interesting..... From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:13 PDT 1996 Article: 74075 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: blackmore's Mediaval Science Date: 14 Oct 1996 09:07:13 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 88 Message-ID: <53svs1$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53rprr$60i@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wr > Rather than dealing with the established scientific facts about typhus, > blackmore decided to try a diversion: > > > Again, you distort. From the Army Historical Series, > > Center of Military History, U.S. Government Printing > > Office, 1974: > When war breaks > > out, it begins to spread; humans carrying the louse, host > > of the disease, provide its transportation. The Germans > > encountered it in their eastern campaigns, and it was > > known to have come into Germany with forced laborers > > and transports to concentration camps. Page 53. > > The question, of course, is not whether there was typhus but whether it > can be easily controlled without DDT. The fact, of course, is that it could have > been controlled with the resources Kramer had on hand. It could. Wrong again, counselor. You aren't making much progress this week. > The outstanding authority on typhus was Hans Zinsser. Writing in 1934 > (before the development of DDT) Zinsser wrote about WWI: You have the quote from the U.S. Department of the Army. Deal with it. > > "Among the most remarkable phenomena of the war in the total > absense of typhus from the western front . . . .Trench fever, closely related to > typhus was common." -- ("Rats. Lice, and History" page 298) This is not typhus. It is related to typhus. "It [typhus] florished as usual in all the Eastern armies, but was kept, by > extraordinary effective sanitary meausres -- bathing and delousing -- within > reasonable bounds among the Austrians and Germans. Though it penetrated into > the prison camps in Central Europe, it was successfully prevented from spreading > to the civilian populations." (ibid, page 298) Well, your allies should not have bombed Germany into rubble, then maybe the people would have had water to bathe with. Also, testimony was given at the Belsen Trial that many of the inmates were filthy, wallowing in the filth they had themselves created. Don't ask me to repost it. The quote is already posted. > , there were no less, and probably > were more than twenty-five million cases of typhus in the territories controlled by > the Soviet Republic, with from two and one-half to three million deaths." (ibid, > page 299) Thanks for the confirmation of what I posted, counselor. > > Even in urban situations -- such as Italy after > WW II and New York in 1921 -- which are much harder to deal with that a > confined camp such as the KZ, it is possible to control an epidemic without much > spread. The contagion spreads even more rapidly when people who are infected are exposed to others in close quarters..Also, why did the US troops allow typhus to run rampant throughout Berlin for 2 years after the war's end. DDT was not necessary. The will to control the typhus was all that was > required. Kramer did nothing. Fool. > > Guilty as charged. You are guilty of distorting the truth as usual. Anyone who would believe you should have their head examined. Quote of the day: "You're an attorney! It's your duty to lie, conceal and distort everything, and slander everybody."---Jean Giraudoux > > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:14 PDT 1996 Article: 74076 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs) Date: 14 Oct 1996 09:11:48 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 36 Message-ID: <53t04k$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53rtld$60i@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > rblackmore writes: > > > The "whys", "hows", and "how many" have not been answered to > > my satisfaction. It also does not help when people like Yale Edeikin > > claim that Dr. Larson examined deceased inmates from Dachau and > > claimed that they died from cyanide poisoning. > > You were given the conclusions of Larson's reports. > I claimed that Larson based his conclusions on toxicological reports. > > > However, when I repeatedly requested copies > > of both the autopsy and toxicological reports, he referred me to comments > > made by Larson without any forensic reports to prove his statements. > > Liar. i told you where you couild find his report. You did not ask for > "autopsies" you asked for his raw notes Larson's statements > *are* a "forensic report." You are the liar. I asked from day one for the reports as soon as you made the mistake of telling me they existed. Where are they? I read what Larson said and I do NOT accept his opinions without the proof to confirm it. > > You might not like it but there is not a court in the western world theat > would say otherwise or even bother to note your objections for the record. Liar, again. In a murder case, if such toxicological reports were taken, they are submitted. Now, where are they? rb > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:14 PDT 1996 Article: 74077 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Queen of Mean Lies-Ada Bimko, or is it Bimbo? Date: 14 Oct 1996 10:08:52 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 19 Message-ID: <53t3fk$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > > Out lame Nazi apologist expects people who lived through hell > to display superhuman feats and computer-like memory. > > > -Danny Keren. > > > >>>> Danny, Danny, how much longer must we endure your simplicity. It was Bimko herself who presented the dates as seared into her memory forever.....seared with LIES. Humpty Holocaust had a great fall, and all the horses, and all the kings men, and little Danny Keren can't put it together again...... From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:15 PDT 1996 Article: 74078 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Rosa Lopez vs Ada Bimko Date: 14 Oct 1996 10:12:24 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 31 Message-ID: <53t3m8$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > ["rblackmore" is now trying to prove that the Holocaust is a > hoax, because a witness apparently confused "he" with "she"] ROTFL....that's a good on, Danny. She also confused 4 million with 46,000. > > # PLEASE. Bimko spoke fluent German, > > She was from Poland. How do you know she spoke fluent German. > > # The fact is Bimko is and was a LIAR, > > The fact is that you are mad at her, and at the other > survivors, because they have lived to tell the world > about what your heroes have done. On the contrary. I am pleased with her. I LOVE reading survivor "testimonies". they will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Can you recommend any others? Oh, it isn't necessary. I have SO many to choose from....... > > > -Danny Keren. > > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:16 PDT 1996 Article: 74079 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me Date: 14 Oct 1996 10:13:28 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <53t3o8$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <326151c2.1877169@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >> jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > > [snip] > > >> Oooohhh! I see what you meant to say. But your *analogies* were not > >> *appropriate*. > > >I think they are. > > Good for you. > > -- > John Morris > at University of Alberta > -- > >>>> But bad for you. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:16 PDT 1996 Article: 74083 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 14 Oct 1996 10:26:36 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 40 Message-ID: <53t4gs$5i1@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > >After researching the article, it mentions 4 million people...I > >believe you will agree that Jews are people, and that the > >overwhelming majority of alleged fatalities at Auschwitz were > >Jewish? > > Oh, stop that idiotic squirming. It's generally thought that the > Communists supported the higher figure precisely to obscure the > fact that the overwhelming majority of victims were Jews, mirroring > their Babi Yar memorial tactics. Didn't you know this? > > > Also, the figure of 4 million Jews "gassed" to death > >was stated by Ada Bimko, a Jewish Physician and former > >inmate of Auschwitz, at the Belsen Trial in 1946. > > No, your quote from Bimko was that a German officer told her that > four million *would be* killed. Don't you understand the difference > yet? Pretty careless reader all around, aren't you? > >>>> You better learn how to read English. She claimed to have received the figure from the Jewish Sonderkommando who worked there. As to your reason for the 4 million lie, how can I squirm when you are thrashing all over the place like a harpooned whale? I will give you due warning now: Bimbo isn't the only liar who supported the 4 million dead Jews claim, along with the Discovery Channel, WW II magazine, The Auschwitz State Museum, the Soviet Union's Prosecutor at Nuremberg, hundreds of newspapers and magazines all over the world, the Pictorial History of the Jewish People in more than 11 editions, and many, many, more sources that I will continue to post until you and your slippery ilk shout uncle. Admit the fraud. You are only making things worse for your side of the story. "If you can't believe the messengers, how can you believe the message? rb From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:17 PDT 1996 Article: 74084 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Rosa Lopez vs Ada Bimko Date: 14 Oct 1996 10:29:10 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 19 Message-ID: <53t4lm$5i1@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > >She is a liar. Why don't you just admit it? If > >you don't think so, then deal with her other lies > >which she uttered in the same court. If you can't > >believe the messengers, how can you believe > >the message? > > I have yet to see any clear lies from the testimony of Ada Bimko. > It's not impossible that she lied, but you have yet to demonstrate > any such thing, nor are nebulous references to "her other lies" > (unspecified) going to convince anyone here. > >>>> I am not trying to convince anyone there, as most of you believe in the Holocaust as a matter of faith. What I posted is reason enough for any rational, unprejudiced person to see that she is a liar. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:17 PDT 1996 Article: 74085 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!news.insinc.net!news.total.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs) Date: 14 Oct 1996 10:43:06 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <53t5fq$5i1@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3261AFEF.415B@nbnet.nb.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > Keith Morrison writes: > Gord McFee wrote: > > > :>> So did Mr. Ehrlich606! > > :>> > > :>> Then he disappeared. Sad in a way. He had a better style. > > > > :>Have no worry. He will probably be back soon. > > > > Yes, I expect the timing would be just about right, wouldn't it? :-) > > New issue of Computing with the AOL free month offer coming in soon > I take it? > > -- > Keith Morrison > lonewolf@nbnet.nb.ca > > "Eat schist." - Geologist's epithet > >>>> Eat my Astrology-Dionne Warwick From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:18 PDT 1996 Article: 74086 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!news.insinc.net!news.total.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Jewish Partisans Date: 14 Oct 1996 10:41:40 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <53t5d4$5i1@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) In the book, " A Secret Press in Nazi Europe", the author writes: ...."the reader will frequently come across references to units and divisions bearing purely Russian names-e.g., Voroshilov Brigade-which may create the impression that those divisions consisted only of Russian fighters, whereas in reality they were composed wholly or in large part of Jews. After a beginning was made by the Jews from the nearby small towns and villages and they were ready fighting units, they were incorporated into the general Soviet partisan movement and adopted pure Soviet names." Pg.17. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:19 PDT 1996 Article: 74087 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: The Kind of Stuff Danny Keren Likes to read Date: 14 Oct 1996 10:49:50 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 14 Message-ID: <53t5se$5i1@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) According to Isaac Kowalski: "The picture of post war Germany, broken and in ruins, was not pretty. The wives and daughters of the herrenvolk sold themselves for a crumb of bread......The country became one huge brothel and even the men crawled on their hands and knees for a handout from the Americans and other allied troops....the Germans who remained in Poland after the war had to wear armbands, for a time, like the Jews had to wear while under the Nazi rule, and they had to walk in the gutter, not on the sidewalk." From: A Secret Press in nazi Europe, pg. 18. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:19 PDT 1996 Article: 74089 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Queen of Mean Lies-Ada Bimko, or is it Bimbo? Date: 14 Oct 1996 10:05:55 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 38 Message-ID: <53t3a3$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > >Don't talk like a fool, if you can help it.l. Have you read the massive > >work compiled by Danuta Czech? It details DAILY > >every alleged major event in the history of Auschwitz, for > > all the years of its existence. > > Talk about non sequiturs! You say that > > 1) Danuta Czech does not mention events alleged by Ada Bimko to > have happened at Auschwitz, and > > 2) Danuta Czech mentions "every major event in the history of > Auschwitz." > > There is no way to go from there to "Ada Bimko lied." The most one > can conclude is that the events alleged by Bimko were not considered > by Czech to by "major." > > I see why you're squirming: You don't want to admit any of the > events chronicled by Czech, yet you want to use her as a proof > standard to deny events chronicled by Bimko. Sorry, this is > completely illogical. Surprise. > No, I do not "deny" all the events listed by Czech. However, an accusation of 4,000 gassed women in one day is a MAJOR event which requires no special interpretation. The fact is, Bimbo is a LIAR, and she has been caught, again and again and again. I don't give a flying rat's ass if you don't believe it. Others who have a modicum of intelligence as well as a modicom of honesty will see that this is true. Here is your quote for the day: "Never reason from what you do not know. If you do, you will soon believe what is against reason.---Ramsay. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:20 PDT 1996 Article: 74091 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: A Secret Lie in Nazi Occupied Europe Date: 14 Oct 1996 10:35:40 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <53t51s$5i1@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) In the book, "A Secret Press in Nazi Europe", the author writes the following: "In the Katin forest, not far from the city of Smolensk in White Russia, some five thousand Polish officers were murdered. They were shot in the head, hands tied, and laid in the pits with their hands tied. In 1943 the Germans trumped up charges that it was done by the Bolsheviks." Pg. 15,16. Comment: Now, here is more lies from supporters of the Holocaust. the author who wrote this book was also a Jewish partisan who fought against the Germans in Poland and Russia, and who published his "Secret Press in Nazi Europe"....and we will be hearing more about this later. Perhaps he had a reason for white- washing his Soviet friends.......... From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:21 PDT 1996 Article: 74094 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: I'm Waiting For Some Answers, Mr. Blackmore. Date: 14 Oct 1996 12:00:42 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 28 Message-ID: <53ta1a$7vr@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3261C13B.41C6@itsa.ucsf.edu> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > Brian Harmon writes: > [..] > > I remember this dialogue clearly, Mr. Blackmore. > > > -- > Brian Harmon > I am afraid that you don't remember the dialogue clearly, Mr. Harmon. Please go back and refer to the posts. What I eventually PROVED was that the British TRUCKED in potable water from their own military FIELD KITCHENS, and that water >from the river was pumped in five days later. My final observation was that Kramer realized the overwhelming conditions existing in the camp and then embarked upon the solution he thought best for the welfare of the inmates: he arranged for the immediate surrender of the camp to the British authorities. If you require further details refer to the posts. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:21 PDT 1996 Article: 74095 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question Date: 14 Oct 1996 11:54:42 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 34 Message-ID: <53t9m2$7vr@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3261C51E.167E@itsa.ucsf.edu> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > Brian Harmon writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > [..] > > Danny Keren wrote: > > > > No, no, nazi-boy. If you say he lied about Auschwitz and > > > Natzweiler, you cannot claim he told the truth about Belsen. > [..] > > > Better luck next time, Danny. All of your comments > > have been rebutted in previous posts. You have no other > > evidence to prove the alleged gassings at natzweiler. > > That doesn't really answer the question. > > If Kramer told the truth about Bergen-Belsen (that he > did all he could), was he then lying about Birkenau? > > -- > Brian Harmon > ==================================== > >>>> As I already indicated, I answered that question in detail in another post. Please refer to it under the same header. No, Danny's obvious little ploy did not work................Briefly, however, I will reiterate, that what Kramer testified to concerning Belsen was corroborated by other convincing evidence, which is why I believe him. The story of the gassings, however has not been corroborated by other evidence. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:22 PDT 1996 Article: 74097 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story Date: 14 Oct 1996 12:33:35 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 24 Message-ID: <53tbuv$8fe@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > In article <53s34l$18a@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > [snip] > > > 6,000,000 Jews did not die. You should be greatful and happy, > > instead of wallowing in your horror collection. > > More than 6 million people died, a large number of whom, but not all, were > indeed Jewish. > However, Hitler's campaign also included political prisoners, Gypsies, > homosexuals, and any > other person who the Nazi throng decided wasn't worthy of life. > > By the way, the 'horror collection' exists BECAUSE of the Holocaust. Snide > comments such > as those you choose to make above do not change the FACT that the Holocaust > happened; > it only demonstrates that you are interested in nothing except denying FACT > that Hitler > orchestrated the murder of more than 6 million innocents. > >>>> Proof? From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:23 PDT 1996 Article: 74098 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story Date: 14 Oct 1996 12:34:26 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 12 Message-ID: <53tc0i$8fe@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53s72i$9n7@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > 6,000,000 Jews did not die. You should be greatful and happy, > > instead of wallowing in your horror collection. > > The typical denier line. What an egoistical jerk. > > --YFE > >>>> Look who's squawking. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:23 PDT 1996 Article: 74101 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen: OSR-USSR-#24 Date: 14 Oct 1996 09:20:35 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 24 Message-ID: <53t0l3$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <32616ad9.6022306@news.awinc.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes: > On Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:30:48 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote: > > > >The Einsatzgruppen OSR-USSR #24 is a forgery. > > > >One cannot claim the hoaxsters don't try hard enough, though... > > Still not the brightest bulb in the pack, are you, Untermensch? Don't call me any of your family names Jerry,....I mean, Ken.... > > You'd better do some more research before you remove any doubt that you are > a fool. You might wish to avail yourself of the material under > Einsatzgruppen in the Nizkor archives before you pronounce your prfound > ignorance to the world. You have already pronounced yours, and you have had access to Nizkor files for heaven knows how long....did you ever stop to think that may be part of your problem? > > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:24 PDT 1996 Article: 74102 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs) Date: 14 Oct 1996 12:40:31 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 38 Message-ID: <53tcbv$8fe@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > >> karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > > >> > >> Do you possess or have access to forensic reports on alleged victims > >> of Soviet atrocities? > > >Which do you refer to? BTW, Edeikin claimed such > >reports exist and he had access to them. I do not > >say that I have such reports concerning the Soviets. > >This being the case, what IS your point? > > Again, your standards of evidence. You appear to demand a great > deal when the Holocaust is involved, including documents which > are unlikely to be easily accessible. If they ARE unlikely to be easily accessible, and they ARE, what do you think is the reason for it? Again, Yale E. made a claim that he had access to toxicological reports which would prove that victims died from cyanide poisoning at Dachau. I did not claim that these people were gassed. So, it is up to him to now put his money where his mouth is. Again, I did not claim to have any forensic reports, aside from Katyn, in regard to Soviet atrocities. And, yes, I DO demand a great deal where the Holocaust is involved, because many GRAVE accusations have been raised, which should be proven completely. Due to the fact that I have discovered so many lies and distortions involved with this particular event, I am VERY distrustful of accusations promoting it. rb > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:25 PDT 1996 Article: 74104 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45 Date: 14 Oct 1996 12:41:38 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 19 Message-ID: <53tce2$8fe@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53s78i$9n7@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes: > > > > This is known as "the Ehrlich ploy," after the first incarnation to > > > demonstrate its use. Blackmore/Bellinger is simply demonstrating the > > > strength of habitual behavior. > > > 50 years of continuous, unremitting Holocaust > > propaganda gives you the edge, I think. > > An even better edge is having the facts and the evidence on your side. > McVay has both. You have neither. > > --YFE > >>>> Don't pat yourselves too hard on the back, one of you might burp. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:26 PDT 1996 Article: 74105 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 14 Oct 1996 12:42:59 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 29 Message-ID: <53tcgj$8fe@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53s7dg$9n7@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes: > > > > > >The details of the torture of Hoess come directly > > > >from the mouth of the man who captured and > > > >tortured him-Bernhard Clarke. > > > > You are still dealing in hearsay. Provide the primary source. > > > Clark, the man who tortured him. Write to Mr. Butler > > and ask him for a copy of the tape of his interview. > > No, sonny boy, you made the assertion. You continually make > ridiciulous demands upon others. Now live by the standards you attempt to > enforce upon others. > > You presented hearsay from a secondary source wihtout the slightest > bit of documentation. > > Produce it. > > --YFE > >>>> Write to the author and ask for a copy of the taped interview. BTW, where are the autopsy and toxicological reports which you promised ages ago? From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:26 PDT 1996 Article: 74110 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it... Date: 14 Oct 1996 09:22:33 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 18 Message-ID: <53t0op$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53rvmi$60i@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > True enough. That is why I always try to confirm > > the sources before I post. if there is any room for > > doubt, I will come right out and say so at the time > > of posting, > > Then please tell us what research you did on Leroy the Mace before you > decided to ignore his written statements and rely on a hearsay account of a > speech he made. > > --YFE > >>>> First tell me why you lied about the British and their water supply to Belsen, and then tell me why you are ignoring the lies of Ada Bimko. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:27 PDT 1996 Article: 74112 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it... Date: 14 Oct 1996 09:24:40 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 37 Message-ID: <53t0so$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3262768d.1437966@news.inetport.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >> > >> Then someone, possibly myself if I have time, will check to see if you > >> have quoted accurately without deleting relevant information that > >> might give a different meaning to what you have posted. > >> > > And I've shown you are not to be trusted. > > >> Until then, all you have posted are unsubstantiated and unverifiable > >> allegations. > >> > > I've shown you are not to be trusted. > > >> -- > >> John Morris > >> at University of Alberta > >> -- > >> The Nizkor Project | http://www.nizkor.org/ > >> > >>>>> > >They are now posted under: "Let's not be beastly to the > >Sources". After you research them and discover that they > >have been quoted correctly, I hope to hear from you. > > Then there is the question concerning the quality of your sources. > > > Mike Curtis E-mail mcurtis@inetport.com. >>>> ROTFL.....the quality of MY sources? Read Ada Bimko and then get back to me. After that read Soviet Def Comedy Jams part 1-6 and then get back to me. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:28 PDT 1996 Article: 74113 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Born again Porno Date: 14 Oct 1996 12:48:50 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 9 Message-ID: <53tcri$8fe@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) According to the authors of the book, "Anti-Semitism-causes and effects, one may read on page 257: "....Streicher's Der Stuermer regularly devoted issues to the theme of ritual murder illustrated in gory and pornographic detail." Comment: Now, if THAT isn't a gross distortion and a lie, I'll eat a sour blintze. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:28 PDT 1996 Article: 74119 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Rosa Lopez vs Ada Bimko Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:47:24 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 19 Message-ID: <53s2is$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes: > > >Bimko's affidavit was made up out of the whole cloth, like most of the > >others. I have a copy of it - actually she made several - and it is > >every bit as credible as one sworn by Uri Geller. > > Oh. Well, if you say so, Al, I guess that settles it. You've shown > yourself to be such an expert evaluator of testimony in the past. > > ROTFL.... > >>>> Just deal with what I posted, which is a direct quote from her own mendacious mouth. Perhaps Mr. Baron will post her other lies....I for one would LOVE to see them and add them to my collection, as Danny adds atrocity fotos to augment his little hobby....... rb From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:29 PDT 1996 Article: 74135 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 14 Oct 1996 01:00:06 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 32 Message-ID: <53s3am$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <32613b22.1258112@news.awinc.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes: > On 13 Oct 1996 10:14:57 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >> klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes: > > > your assertion is as full of shit as you are. > > >No. It is you who are full of the brown substance, and > >you seem to be regurgitating it through your mouth. The > >proof that Hoess was tortured comes from the man who > >captured and tortured him, Mr. Clarke. He said it. He > > Then provide us with Clarke's primary documentation, Herr Belling. You > cannot because there is none. This makes it hearsay. It is irrelevant. You > know that. > > >family was living in the british occupation zone. Hoess was > >tortured. Live with it. Or deny it. Either way, you come > >out the worse. > > You have provided no evidence for it. > > Care to tell us about the picture again? > > Hoss statements stand. You know it and that is why you so desperatly want to > explkain them away. However, Hoss stood by them right to the end. There was > no one torturing him to keep stating the same thing over and over. > > Sorry. It is _you_ who come out the worse. > >>>>Then anything Hoess also had to say is hearsay. thank you and please don't quote from his fake confessions any longer. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:30 PDT 1996 Article: 74138 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45 Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:58:36 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 29 Message-ID: <53s37s$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53rf6a$qf1@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes: > In article <53mq6d$6qf@grivel.une.edu.au>, > ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) wrote: > > >rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >: examples. Do not refer to posts that will take me a while to > >: research and for which you have been advised in advance. > > >That is interesting, coming, as it does, from soemone/somthing > >who/which responded to repeated requests for explicit examples > >by instructing the questioners to look at his/her/itsarticles > >in alt.revisionism and/or Dejanews. I believe the English > >words and expressions which describe this poster would > >therefore include: cant, hypocrite, disingenuous,..... > > This is known as "the Ehrlich ploy," after the first incarnation to > demonstrate its use. Blackmore/Bellinger is simply demonstrating the > strength of habitual behavior. > > -- > Nizkor Canada | http://www.nizkor.org > -----------------------| Remember John Hron > |-------------------------------------- > http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hron-john/ > >>>> 50 years of continuous, unremitting Holocaust propaganda gives you the edge, I think. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 12:23:29 PDT 1996 Article: 74155 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: The Trains Kept on Rollin' Date: 14 Oct 1996 03:53:47 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 7 Message-ID: <53sdgb$fvh@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd37-122.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) "In the four months of the year 1944, the Istrbitel (Destroyer) Unit, has derailed 44 enemy military trains. Eleven of them were convoy troops and the rest machinery and other military material." Source: A Secret Press in Nazi Europe, pg. 193, by Isaac Kowalski. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 14:08:22 PDT 1996 Article: 74178 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!uhog.mit.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45 Date: 14 Oct 1996 09:18:21 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 19 Message-ID: <53t0gt$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <32647725.1590621@news.inetport.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > > > > >Your Simpson reprt was a whitewash. What Judge van Roden said was > >the truth. > > Prove it with something that backs up your suspect South American > publication. > > >>>> The walls are a tumblin down....tumblin down.....I will back up the reports when you prove that 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 14:08:23 PDT 1996 Article: 74179 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!caen!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Miracle on 54th street-In and Out of the Gas Chamber! Date: 14 Oct 1996 11:49:56 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 105 Message-ID: <53t9d4$7vr@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Here is the "eyewitness testimony" of another "survivor". Her name is Sophia Litwinska, and the following is taken from her testimony at the Belsen Trial: Q: When you reached the crematorium, what happened there? A: The whole truck was tipped over in the way they do it sometimes with potatoes or coal loads, and we were led into a room which gave me the impression of a shower- bath. There were towels hanging around, and sprays, and even mirrors. I cannot say how many were in the room altogether, because I was so terrified, nor do I know if the doors were closed. People were in tears; people were shouting at each other, people were hitting each other. There were healthy people, strong people, weak people and sick people, and suddenly I saw fumes coming in through a very small window at the top. I had to cough very violently, tears were streaming from my eyes, and I had a sort of feeling in my throat as if I would be asphyxiated. I could not even look at the others because each of us concentrated on what happened to herself. Q: What was the next thing you remember? A: At this moment I heard my name called. (!-rb) I had not the strength to answer it, but I raised my arm. Then I felt someone take me and throw me out from that room. Hoessler put a blanket around me and took me on a motor cycle to the hospital, where I stayed for six weeks. As a result of the gas, I stll had quite frequently headaches and heart trouble, and whenever I went into the fresh air my eyes were filled with tears. I was subsequently taken to the political department and apparently I had been taken out of the gas chamber because I had come from a prison in Lublin, which seemed to make a difference, and, apart from that, my husband was a Polish officer. On cross-examination: Q: How long were you in the gas chamber in all? A: Only for a short period. A minute or two perhaps. Q: When you were taken out were you suffering severely >from the effects of the gas? A: Yes, I felt quite giddy in my head and a sudden blackness descended on my eyes and a heavy load on my chest. Q: When you got outside, was the man who took you out wearing a gas mask? A: I do not know. I was in such a state that I myself did not know what had happened to me. Source: The Belsen Trial, pg. 79, 80, 81. Comment: Now, I would be most interested to hear how the faithful explain away this little episode of another mendacious witness. The whole story reeks with impossibilites and complete fabrications. According to this "eyewitness", the people in the gas chamber were about ready to tear each other apart, so that if left to their own devices, no gas was necessary to kill them. Aside from all this, she states tha she "saw fumes coming in through a small window at the top." How interesting....Further, her statement about helathy and strong individuals being placed in the chamber is contrary to everything written about the purpose of the selections. Her lapse of memory was merely a self-serving device to avoid being pressed for detailed information. Also, her statement that she had been in the gas chamber 1 to 2 minutes is nothing more than a complete fabrication. No one could be exposed to cyanide gas for that length of time and come out alive. Conveniently she also failed to notice whether her rescuer was wearing a gas mask or not, and the very idea that a guard could simply walk into the gas chamber and escort her out without a full riot on his hands is absurd. Also, her testimony that she heard her name being called in all that pandemonium is laughable, considering how much screaming would have been going on s the people realized they were going to be "gassed". The witness further redused to commit herself to an actual number, but it would have been significant, as she had testified that "health, strong, weak, and sick" people were all herded in to the "gas chamber". Anyone who has read even a minute amount of material on the history of Auschwitz would find her statement that she recouperated in the hospital for six weeks after the alleged gassing to be ridiculous. Finally, I cross referenced Hoessler's testimony regarding this incident and of course, he denied it. Now, I am truly curious to see if anyone in Nizkorland will make an attempt to defend this preposterous story and obvious LIE. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 14:08:24 PDT 1996 Article: 74181 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!news.emf.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: BUCHENWALD: LEGEND AND REALITY Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:13:32 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 31 Message-ID: <53nges$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images > > buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg: > Emaciated corpses of the inmates. > > buchenwald02.jpg: > Artifacts made from corpses of inmates. > > shrunken.jpg: > The shrunken head of an inmate. > > buchenwald04.jpg: > German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops > have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how > well-dressed and well-fed they are. > > > -Danny Keren. > > >>>> Danny and his photo collection again. Shrunken heads, artifacts made from diseased corpses, emaciated inmates suffering from disease......I feel sorry for you Danny. Oh, I almost forgot the civilians-shall we discuss what happened to many of them when the allies released hordes of criminals >from the camps to rape, plunder, and murder? Danny might enjoy seeing their heads shrunken, or artifacts made from their bones, or emaciated by disease--Danny are you sure you don't have the situations reversed? From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 14:08:25 PDT 1996 Article: 74183 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!news.emf.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:14:51 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 20 Message-ID: <53nghb$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53mktu$q7r@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > > > The request was to post his comments in the Simpson Report or > > > testimony under oath. You have not even quoted him directly. You gave a > > > hearsay account of a speech before a Rotary Club. > > > >>His speech was quoted verbatim. Live with it.>> > > In other words, hearsay. Pure and simple. > > There is an official report of Van Roden's investigations. He also gave > testimony under oath. They both contradict what your secondary source claims > he said. Live with that. > > --YFE > >>>> COVER-UP. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 15:03:48 PDT 1996 Article: 74195 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!chi-news.cic.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Queen of Mean Lies-Ada Bimko, or is it Bimbo? Date: 13 Oct 1996 23:38:08 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 24 Message-ID: <53ruh0$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > >Comments: Note that I checked the dates this > >"witness" mentions, particularly July 27, 1944, and > >December 1st and 15th 1943, and compared them with > >the events minutely detailed in the Auschwitz Chronicle, > >meticulously compiled by Danuta Czech. None of the > >events which this witness testified to on these dates > >are confirmed in the Chronicle. Ergo-more blatant > >lies. > > Blatant non sequitur. > >>>> Don't talk like a fool, if you can help it.l. Have you read the massive work compiled by Danuta Czech? It details DAILY every alleged major event in the history of Auschwitz, for all the years of its existence. Look up the name in Nizkor's files and read what they have post about the author and the Chronicle. You really ought to do a little research before sticking your nose into an issue you apparently know little about. As I said, the woman was caught in another bare-faced LIE. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 18:09:54 PDT 1996 Article: 74217 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel Date: 14 Oct 1996 22:05:40 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 33 Message-ID: <53udfk$5se@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53thfe$k6c@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd40-192.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message <53q76c$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes: > :> > :> > :>Look up. Look WAAAAY up. Note that this book > :>went through more than 11 printings and still persisted > :>withthe same lie. There is no excuse for this sort of > :>behavior. Notice that a documentary on the discovery > :>channle referred to 4.5 million Jewish dead at Auschwitz. > :>A popular magazine in 1994 referred to 4 million Jewish dead > :>at Auschwitz. Where are they all getting this fake figure from? > :>It is untrue that the Soviets began the lie. It began with the inmates > :>themselves. Read my latest post: Where has the 4,000,000 gone? > > The assertion that the world was flat, and the center of the universe > persisted for 2000 years and that didn't make it right. Your post that an > inmate began the story of the 4,000,000 is wrong, although several inmates may > have thought it. The figure was wrong, that's all. What's the big deal? > > Express yourself, Mr. "Blackmore". The fact is that over a million people > perished in Auschwitz. Do you deny that? > > > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> Big Deal? And, no, I do not believe that over a million people died at Auschwitz and I will post why eventually. From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 18:09:56 PDT 1996 Article: 74218 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 14 Oct 1996 22:02:53 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 20 Message-ID: <53udad$5se@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53thdk$k6c@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd40-192.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > . > > The figure is available in many places, virtually any study of the Holocaust. > Try Fleming's _Hitler and the Final Solution_, Appendix. > > > > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> No. Fleming is probably one of the most biased sources one could refer to-perhaps that is why you selected him? rb From rblackmore@junno.com Mon Oct 14 18:09:56 PDT 1996 Article: 74219 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: inconsistent idiot Date: 14 Oct 1996 21:58:20 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <53ud1s$5se@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@junno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd40-192.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > > So what is your point in quoting a book which you've just established > to be untrustworthy? > On the contrary, I don't believe that the whole book is untrustworthy. I will clarify all......in time.:) The simple faith of those who believe.....as my post mentioned, I posed a question....perhaps he had a reason for whitewashing his Soviet friends? And it is all leading somewhere, I can assure you....Now, I have a question for you? Do you regard Mr. Kawalski as an untrustworthy witness? rb From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 20:03:40 PDT 1996 Article: 74223 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel Date: 12 Oct 1996 06:54:14 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 111 Message-ID: <53nfam$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <325f4873.673555718@news.zilker.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > >> Give us a break. Deal with the lies you defend. > > We aren't defending these errors. There is bad history and good > history. then there is excellent history. I could take your pal Butz > and Mayer and do the same thing. Call their errors lies. Of course > Butz does lie, Mayer is just sloppy. And why do you say this? Because their research disproves your own preconcived notions, or because you believe the evidence convinces you otherwise? > > >The fact is that you can still find this book in any > >major library and this publication went through many more editions > >than 11, always repeating the same old falsehood, > >along with your Auschwitz Museum Shrine, > > What shrine is this. It sems that since the fall of the Soviets > certain things have been corrected. It seems that with the rise of revisionism certain things have been corrected as well. We have several history books on > the Holocaust as far back as 1953 arguing against such claims. But you > know this and you also know that there are poorly researched books. No, I do not know that they are poorly researched, and if they are, perhaps their lack of serious research was deliberate. In any event, a publication like the Pictorial History should have known better. > The effort here is to expalin the facts of these errors and what was > behind them. And I am here to try and explain the facts and errors involved in the Holocaust, and what motivations were behind them. > > and hundreds > >of other publications and "documentaries". > > List the top 100. I am working on it. > > > Shall I continue > >to quote other sources? Yes, I shall, so everyone may > >see the fraud you promote and defend, > > Again,. I do not see John or anyone here defending errors of fact or > in historical research. The only one I see doing this is YOU. But these issues need to be addressed as it reflects upon the totality. This is nothing personal against you or John. What I am concerned about is the obvious misrepresentations involved in the promulgation of the "Holocaust" as the public has read of it for decades. Why did the promoters feel they had to lie or exaggerate? This has only rebounded back upon them. > > > rather than > >admitting these people and agencies were in negligent > >error. Of course, once you admit that, then everyone will > >ask, "Well, if they misrepresented this, what ELSE have they > >misrepresented?" > > Who is the they in this case? Those who have told lies, exaggerated, and irresponsibly promoted false events in history. (I feel that was meant to be a "loaded" question.) People should rejoice if they find that the picture was not as grim as it was painted. Tell us the history behind this number > and what it really means. > > > If you can't believe the messengers, how > >can you believe the message? > > > > We do the historical research that you do not do. I have most likely read the historical sources you refer to. they are probably in my collection. Aside from that- it should be obvious what point I am making here--that the number of Jewish dead was negligently bandied about for years disregardful of the truth--and it continues to this day. The phoney 4 million dead at Auschwitz figure has appeared in dozens of documentaries, magazines, HUNDREDS of newspaper articles and books ALL over the world from people and agencies which should have known better. This being the case-it certainly was and is propaganda of the worse kind. It is unfair to the German people, for one, to have been stigmatized with this irresponsible slander. The common person does not usually read the works of the scholars you mention-what they read and watch, and listen to are newspapers, magazines, movies, and radio--and it is was to this massive audience that this pernicious, slanderous lie was directed. The lie was propagated with either malicious or irresponsible intent to deceive and inflame the public. rb > > > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 20:03:41 PDT 1996 Article: 74251 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Gefilte Fish and Red Herrings,a la Keren Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:46:57 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 64 Message-ID: <53nidh$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53mmon$q7r@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > > More of Dan's equivocating. Typhus was ALWAYS a > > problem in the camps, and the administration was always > > having to contend with it. They did not have the benefit > > of DDT as we did here. > > Typhus was a problem because the nazis who ran the camps allowed it > to be a problem. Moreover, the problem of controlling typhus was solved long > before the invention of DDT. The last typhus outbreak in the United States was in > New York City 1921. That is far more of a public health problem than an outbreak > in a confined camp. It was controlled in a matter of weeks. There was no problem > with typhus in POW camps in Germany and Austria in WWI even at the end of the > war when the infrastructure of the central powers was as poor as it was in 1945. > This was also before the development of DDT. > > According to the CDC the number of deaths due to typhus in the United > States in the 20th century is: 541. > > How many died of typhus in the KZ? > > --YFE > >>>> Again, you distort. From the Army Historical Series, Center of Military History, U.S. Government Printing Office, 1974: "The DP's, moreover, could not be ignored even briefly or in the heat of battle, for they might harbor among them a danger to human life, both military and civilian, that was potentially GREATER (rb) than the war itself-the virus-like micro-organism Rickettsia. A benign parasite of the body louse, Rickettsia, when it passes from the feces of a louse into a human body through a bite or opening in the skin, causes typhus, the most feared epidemic dis- ease in Europe since the bubonic plague. Napoleon's army in Russia reportedlly suffered more losses from Typhus than from combat. During and after WWI, an estimated three million persons died from the disease in the Balkans and the Ukraine. In WW II, a thousand cases had been registered in Naples by early 1944. Always serious and frequently fatal, typhus is endemic in parts of eastern Europe, When war breaks out, it begins to spread; humans carrying the louse, host of the disease, provide its transportation. The Germans encountered it in their eastern campaigns, and it was known to have come into Germany with forced laborers and transports to concentration camps. Page 53. Additional sources: Hqs, U.S. First Army, Office of Civil Affairs, sub: Control of Typhus Fever, 12 May 44, in SHAEF G-5, 17.16. Now, what was that you were saying about Kramer? rb From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 20:03:41 PDT 1996 Article: 74253 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:48:13 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <53nift$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53mmsj$q7r@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > > > >> >It must be clearly understood that the entire Holocaust-gassing myths > > > > You've documented the "torture" of Hoess--the Allies made him sit > > > in a courtroom festooned with U.S. flags. If you have better > > > references, don't hesitate to post them. In the meantime, perhaps > > > you will refrain from pontificating on what "must be clearly > > > understood". > > > They have been posted many times over. Learn to > > browse a bit. > > Yes. Your "evidence" was a "reasonable suspicion." You have > poste nothing else concerning his treatment at the time he confessed or when > he wrote his memoirs. > > --YFE > >>>> Wrong again. Browse, Counselor, browse....... From rblackmore@juno.com Mon Oct 14 22:46:51 PDT 1996 Article: 74270 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!chi-news.cic.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 14 Oct 1996 22:04:27 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <53uddb$5se@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd40-192.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > >You better learn how to read English. She claimed to have > >received the figure from the Jewish Sonderkommando who > >worked there. As to your reason for the 4 million lie, how can > >I squirm when you are thrashing all over the place like a harpooned > >whale? > > Just to satisfy you with a little squirming: Looking back at the > original message involved, I can see that my cavils about the > verb tense were probably incorrect. OTOH, Bimko's passing on her > memory of someone else's assertions does not make her a liar. > Her memory could be imperfect (the conditions were not such that > one could expect it to be faultless) or the person who spoke to > her may have lied or been mistaken. > >>>> She was quite explicit as to the figure. Also, her testimony is strewn with other lies. She is and was a liar, and so was the Sonderkommando who gave her the false information. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:06 PDT 1996 Article: 74364 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: inconsistent idiot Date: 15 Oct 1996 08:05:05 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 16 Message-ID: <53vgjh$a7u@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad17-075.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > bodhi@sattva.org (Bodhisattva) writes: > Excellent work. Good thing someone has the patience to sort through > Blackmore's shite. > > >>>> Perhaps you should have waited before you rushed to congratulate Mr. Power. There was and is no inconsistency. All is planned ahead of time.........There is, however, a certain inconsistency between your comments about having the "patience to sort through" my "shite", in that you have obviously accessed and read through it quite often. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:06 PDT 1996 Article: 74367 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 12 Oct 1996 06:29:58 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 34 Message-ID: <53ndt6$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad64-112.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > In article <326052a9.2429003@199.0.216.204>, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) > wrote: > > [snip] > > >>> But the lie of 4 million Jewish "gassed" at Auschwitz > >>> was officially chiseled out of the massive slabs in front > >>> of the Auschwitz Museum in 1994! Let's talk about that > >>> one for a while. > > [snip] > > >> There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that > >> 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there. > > [snip] > > > You mean the sign that the Simon Wiesenthal page refers to never was? > > Of course you can point to the page where there is such a reference, since > I could find no page which says there was a massive slab on front of the > museum which claimed that 4 million Jews were gassed. > >>>> You are showing yourself more the fool every day. The 19 stone tablets referred to 4 million Jews who allegedly died there. They need not have mentioned gassing. It was a lie any way you choose to interpret it. BTW, you may now add these 19 stone slabs to the discovery channel, WWII magazine, and the Pictorial History of the Jewish People--and more is on the way. When you walk in the snow, you cannot hide your tracks..... From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:07 PDT 1996 Article: 74371 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 15 Oct 1996 08:24:43 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 16 Message-ID: <53vhob$aih@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53ulrt$ses@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > > I never promised them. I told where they could be found in the public > record and told you to do your own research. You were too lazy or too afraid to > bother. > > --YFE > >>>> The day I fear your "evidence" is the day I will stop posting. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:08 PDT 1996 Article: 74372 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 15 Oct 1996 08:23:03 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 9 Message-ID: <53vhl7$aih@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53umld$ses@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > You have the photos? From where? > > Matthew Monroe. > >>>> And? From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:08 PDT 1996 Article: 74379 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 15 Oct 1996 08:26:35 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 27 Message-ID: <53vhrr$aih@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3262590D.1DB6@rio.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > Chuck Ferree writes: > Chuck Ferree wrote: > > rbl claims to know all about the numbers of deaths at Auschwitz taken > from the monuments to the dead. None of this matters nor does it prove > anything. A picture of the Pope praying over some marble monuments > doesn't prove any numbers were right or wrong. Cut the subterfuge. > > > > > > > Fool. The photos were of the Pope praying in front > > of the monuments (slabs) and were published around > > the world. > > And therefore what? What's your point? The Pope isn't involved in > discussing changes in the numbers. Jesus, man get with the program. > Chuck > > > BTW, a skunk smells his own hole first. > > Well, by God, you'd know about that kind of stuff, since you sure as > hell don't know much about Holocaust historical facts. > Chuck > >>>> Apparently I know more about the facts than you do, Chuck. From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:09 PDT 1996 Article: 74388 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!news.insinc.net!news.total.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 15 Oct 1996 08:59:52 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 78 Message-ID: <53vjq8$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53umfn$ses@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > Of course, > > the Pictorial History of the Jewish people reprinted this 4 million > > figure year after year after year..... > > In fact, that is what Poles were taught. That's the biggest crock of crap I have ever read. Now, what's your excuse for the rest of the world? BTW, thanks for sharing that little tidbit, for here is something of interest for you, which I will post separately to expose your forked tongue. I was hoping you would nibble at the bait, and indeed you have. From Poland, I will quote here >from the book "German Crimes in Poland" , published by the Central Commission for Investigation of German Crimes in Poland, Warsaw 1946, Vol 1, which details all the lies you and your mendacious "friend" deny: Here is a direct quote from the Polish Commission: "As is well known, the Soviet Legal and Medicinal Commission, which arrived at Auschwitz immediately after the flight of the Germans, has stated that the number of the murdered EXCEEDED 4,000,000. (Caps mine) These calculations are in conformity with the data obtained during the inquiry from a competent (!-rb) witness, a railway employee from Oswiecim station. This man, Fr. Stanek, stated that in the three years 1942-1944, 3,850,000 prisoners were brought to Oswiecim by rail. Five millions would be nearer the mark counting those brought by car." Page 90. end of quote. Well, Mr. Counselor, you can now add your name to the list of the other liars You simply do not know what you are talking about. I checked with a > noted Pole over the weekend. Both he and his translator confirmed that Poles > were never taught that Jews died at Auschwitz. All reference was to "Polish > citizens." > -how did the Auschwitz museum > > represent these alleged millions of Jewish deaths over the past > > 45 years? > > The ignored them. > > > > Please do, because I am waiting to post something written by > > the Auschwitz State Museum.....Go ahead, make my day...... > > Oh dear, another threat to post something in the near future. > > > > Minimized?! Four million wasn't enough? > > No reference to Jews. Live with it. The Poles were taught, correctly, > that approximately 25% of the population of Poland was killed by your nazi heroes. > They were never taught that 90% of Polish Jews were murdered; the word "Jew" > was never mentioned in their histories or in their classrooms. > Well, Yale, you stepped in it big time this time. In fact, not only did you step in it, you're the one who dumped it. rb > > > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:10 PDT 1996 Article: 74392 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Add Yale Edeiken to the Discovery Channel Date: 15 Oct 1996 09:10:25 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 89 Message-ID: <53vke1$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) In a reply to "Another Peculiarity...etc", Mr. Edeikin, in a patheitc attempt to gloss over the lie that has been disseminated for decades from Poland throughout the whole world that 4 million Jews were murdered at Auschwitz, implied that Polish people were never "taught" that 4 million Jews had been murdered by the Nazis. What follows is the English translation of a book originally published in Poland. First, however, a recap of some of the banter between Yale and I, so people will see once and for all how he operates: rblackmore: > > the Pictorial History of the Jewish people reprinted this 4 million > > figure year after year after year..... Yale responds by sauing that Poles were simply taught that 4 million human beings were killed, not Jews. In fact, here is what he said: > > In fact, that is what Poles were taught. rblackmore: That's the biggest crock of crap I have ever read. Now, what's your excuse for the rest of the world? BTW, thanks for sharing that little tidbit, for here is something of interest for you, which I will post separately to expose your forked tongue. I was hoping you would nibble at the bait, and indeed you have. From Poland, I will quote here >from the book "German Crimes in Poland" , published by the Central Commission for Investigation of German Crimes in Poland, Warsaw 1946, Vol 1, which details all the lies you and your mendacious "friend" deny: Here is a direct quote from the Polish Commission: "As is well known, the Soviet Legal and Medicinal Commission, which arrived at Auschwitz immediately after the flight of the Germans, has stated that the number of the murdered EXCEEDED 4,000,000. (Caps mine) These calculations are in conformity with the data obtained during the inquiry from a competent (!-rb) witness, a railway employee from Oswiecim station. This man, Fr. Stanek, stated that in the three years 1942-1944, 3,850,000 prisoners were brought to Oswiecim by rail. Five millions would be nearer the mark counting those brought by car." Page 90. end of quote. Well, Mr. Counselor, you can now add your name to the list of the other liars You simply do not know what you are talking about. I checked with a > noted Pole over the weekend. Both he and his translator confirmed that Poles > were never taught that Jews died at Auschwitz. All reference was to "Polish > citizens." > -how did the Auschwitz museum > > represent these alleged millions of Jewish deaths over the past > > 45 years? > > The ignored them. > > > > Please do, because I am waiting to post something written by > > the Auschwitz State Museum.....Go ahead, make my day...... > > Oh dear, another threat to post something in the near future. > > Well, the "threat" as you called it, is posted faster than you expected. Four million wasn't enough? > > No reference to Jews. Live with it. The Poles were taught, correctly, > that approximately 25% of the population of Poland was killed by your nazi heroes. > They were never taught that 90% of Polish Jews were murdered; the word "Jew" > was never mentioned in their histories or in their classrooms. > Well, Yale, you stepped in it big time this time. In fact, not only did you step in it, you're the one who dumped it. rb > > > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:11 PDT 1996 Article: 74400 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!news.insinc.net!news.total.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 15 Oct 1996 09:51:33 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 19 Message-ID: <53vmr5$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > > I see that putting the photos on the web, and making people aware > of their existence, is really infuriating Nazi liars like yourself. > Small wonder. It's harder to convince people that your Nazi heroes > were such great guys, after they have seen these photos, right? > > It required a considerable effort to locate and scan all these > photos, but it was worthwhile. Did you get off? > > Dan on the run....Dan on the run....and the photographs, and epitaphs, have all been overdone, and now Dan's on the run, Dan's on the run......(Sung to Band on the run) From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:11 PDT 1996 Article: 74405 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:00:27 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 28 Message-ID: <53vnbr$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <32644b38.936448944@news.zilker.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes: > > > > > There may have been mental games played, but I've yet to see any clear > evidence of torture specific to any trial. > > > >>>> Playing those mind games......Here's a sample of those mind games: "Often Adam (A Jewish Interrogator-rb) didn't go to interrogations but sat in his office, drinking, listening to distant cries of "Nein!" He assumed that one of his boys was slamming a door on a German's arm while driving pins up the German's nails, but he didn't want to go see it. Adam had once been tortured himself, spinning on a spit, till he told the Gestapo, "Yes, I'm a Jew!" and going to Auschwitz gratefully, and in Gleiwitz his bones were aching again from the German's own screams. He sat in his office wishing, sometimes, that the boys would do something monstrous, so a German would just confess and the screams would stop." Source: An Eye for an Eye, John Sack, Basic Books, 1993, pg.68. From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:12 PDT 1996 Article: 74406 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!news.insinc.net!news.total.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:05:50 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 25 Message-ID: <53vnlu$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53p9e7$r0c@grivel.une.edu.au> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > [snip] > > : Until you decide to > : abide by honorable rules of conduct in a debate, > : I shall refrain from answering any of your posts, > : as I have refrained from answering those of your > : pal, Van Alstine. When you are ready to resume > : discussion under proper conditions, e-mail me. > : > > One of the rules for honourable debate is > not to hide one's identity. > > Who are you, Honourable One? > What is your real name? > > d.A. > > > >>>> Why? Are you interested in dating me? From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:13 PDT 1996 Article: 74409 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!news.insinc.net!news.total.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Queen of Mean Lies-Ada Bimko, or is it Bimbo? Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:25:41 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 21 Message-ID: <53vor5$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > No, I do not > >"deny" all the events listed by Czech. > > Not the issue. The question is whether you accept Danuta Czech's > chronicle (with which I am indeed unfamiliar, nor have I ever claimed > to have all the literature of the Holocaust at my fingertips) as > basically accurate and trustworthy. > > Do you accept Czech's chronicle as basically accurate and trustworthy? > > If not, who cares whether or not it confirms the assertions of Ada > Bimko? > > You seem to have a serious problem judging your sources. > >>>> You seem to have a serious problem of voicing an opinion without doing any research. From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:13 PDT 1996 Article: 74410 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Rblackmore and the usual prevarication... Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:26:28 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 26 Message-ID: <53vosk$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > >Fool. The slabs were in front of Auschwitz. I made no > >claims about the Wiesenthal Center. Whether gassed or > >shot or electrocuted or squashed between moving walls, > >the means is not the important issue here-it is the fake > >number of 4 MILLION. > > Your original claim was that the inscription claimed that four million > Jews had been gassed. When challenged, you backed down about "gassed", > but still insisted that the inscription specified Jews--insisting as > well that you had a picture of the inscription in front of you! When > it was pointed out that this too, was inaccurate, you admitted it but > kept on calling the correspondent who accurately corrected you a > liar. Now you seem to resent the fact that since you got one detail > right, people are such meanies as to point out that you got two > others wrong. > > Why don't you judge Ada Bimko by the same standards of truthtelling > you use on yourself? > > Who's the fool, oh pseudonymous one? > >>>> You, oh foolish one. From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:14 PDT 1996 Article: 74411 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Rblackmore and the usual prevarication... Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:27:16 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 13 Message-ID: <53vou4$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > > Why don't you judge Ada Bimko by the same standards of truthtelling > you use on yourself? > > Who's the fool, oh pseudonymous one? > >>>> You, oh foolish one. From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:15 PDT 1996 Article: 74413 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Six heads are better than one Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:35:11 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 31 Message-ID: <53vpcv$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53umjd$lin@access5.digex.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes: > In article <53scko$fvh@juliana.sprynet.com>, wrote: > >According to the author of the book, "A Secret > >Press in Nazi Europe" the following was related: > > > >Malka Epstein, a Jewish girl from Kielce, Poland, > >became a legendary partisan. [...] > > > >Comment: These events must have endeared > >the Jewish population to the Nazi authorities. [...] > > One wonders how the Nazi authorities knew at the time that it was Jews > doing it. > > -- > Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth. > POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official > Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer. OK. I will quote further father, or is it father further? (Stanley Kaufman's line, in case you weren't aware) Here's the rest of the quote: "The German failure to capture Makla Epstein was a bitter pill for the Nazis to swallow." (Same page) rb From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:15 PDT 1996 Article: 74414 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Trains Kept on Rollin' Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:37:05 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 19 Message-ID: <53vpgh$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <326a6e2a.2928161@199.0.216.204> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: > >"In the four months of the year 1944, the Istrbitel (Destroyer) > >Unit, has derailed 44 enemy military trains. Eleven of them > >were convoy troops and the rest machinery and other > >military material." > > > >Source: A Secret Press in Nazi Europe, pg. 193, by > >Isaac Kowalski. > > Would anyone be able to prove all the bravado alleged in this book? > All the bravado that would make it look like it was the Jews who won > the war? I'll bet it's all, or 99% fiction. The fantastic feats are > also common themes in Holocaust books. Going by the accounts you could > get the idea no partisans could have done anything without the Jews. > Bravado. A component of "Chutzpah". > >>>> Are you implying that Samson didn't tear down the temple of the Philistines with his bare hands? From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:16 PDT 1996 Article: 74415 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: A Secret Lie in Nazi Occupied Europe Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:38:48 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 34 Message-ID: <53vpjo$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53v166$1hrg@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message <53t51s$5i1@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com14 Oct 1996 > 10:35:40 GMT writes: > :> > :>In the book, "A Secret Press in Nazi Europe", the > :>author writes the following: > :> > :>"In the Katin forest, not far from the city of Smolensk > :>in White Russia, some five thousand Polish officers > :>were murdered. They were shot in the head, hands > :>tied, and laid in the pits with their hands tied. In 1943 > :>the Germans trumped up charges that it was done by the > :>Bolsheviks." Pg. 15,16. > :> > :>Comment: Now, here is more lies from supporters of > :>the Holocaust. the author who wrote this book was > :>also a Jewish partisan who fought against the Germans > :>in Poland and Russia, and who published his "Secret > :>Press in Nazi Europe"....and we will be hearing more > :>about this later. Perhaps he had a reason for white- > :>washing his Soviet friends.......... > > Which has what to do with the historicity of the Holocaust? > > > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> I will get to everything in due time. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:17 PDT 1996 Article: 74416 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:42:36 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 40 Message-ID: <53vpqs$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53v191$1hrg@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message <53stsp$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com14 Oct 1996 > 08:33:29 GMT writes: > :> > > :>It is not a lie. The monuments (plural) stated that > :>4 million human beings perished at Auschwitz. Don't > :>call me a liar either. I don't need to lie because I have > :> more than enough prove of the duplicity of those who > :> promoted the "Holocaust". You are the one who needs > :> to buttress your accusations with a panoply of lies and > :>distortions. You are the liar, for you promised > :>toxicological reports allegedly taken of gassed victims > :>and Dachau then failed to produce them > > Your first post stated that the monument (singular) said that 4 million Jews > were gassed at Auschwitz. Those are _your_ words, Mr. Blackmore. It is now > clear that the monument did not say "gassed" and it did not say "4 million > Jews". And yet, you won't even admit your error, let alone apologize for your > blatant misstatement of the truth. > > And you claim to yearn for serious debate. };-> > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> Indeed I do. However, you won't begrudge me an error simply because the actual quote was unavailable to me at the time, would you? Anyway, whether they were gassed or not is simply quibbling. The whole statement on the slab was a lie through and through and that is the main point. And the lie has been quoted SO often by so many sources that it should shame people.... If you can't believe the messengers, how can you believe the message? rb From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:18 PDT 1996 Article: 74417 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!news.insinc.net!news.total.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it... Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:53:11 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 40 Message-ID: <53vqen$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3262A726.37B1@rio.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > Chuck Ferree writes: > Chuck Ferree wrote: > > A typical rbl non-response, and the turkey must believe that people > buy his stupidity. > Chuck > > > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > > > > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > > > > > True enough. That is why I always try to confirm > > > > the sources before I post. if there is any room for > > > > doubt, I will come right out and say so at the time > > > > of posting, > > Bullshit, pal, you never try to straighten out your mess, either > before or after you post. You just post and bluff! > > > > > > > Then please tell us what research you did on Leroy the Mace before you > > > decided to ignore his written statements and rely on a hearsay account of a > > > speech he made. > > > > > > --YFE > > > > > >>>> > > First tell me why you lied about the British and > > their water supply to Belsen > > There he goes again. First you tell me, then I'll figure out > something. > The guy claims to be a scholor! If he's a scholor, then, I gonna beat > Clinton in the coming election. > Chuck > >>>> Thats "scholar", not scholor, Chuck. From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:19 PDT 1996 Article: 74419 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-lond.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 15 Oct 1996 09:48:06 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 35 Message-ID: <53vmkm$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <32654bd2.936602278@news.zilker.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >> karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > >> >> >It must be clearly understood that the entire Holocaust-gassing myths > >> >> > stands and falls with the "confession" of Rudolf Hoess, one-time > >> >> > commandant of Auschwitz - an Allied prisoner who was sadistically > >> >> > tortured. > >> >> > >> >> I'm sure you would *like* that to be "clearly understood". That is, > >> >> however, utter bullshit. > >> >> > >> >>>>> > >> >Right. Like you are some kind of demi-god sent here to pontificate > >> >for the rest of us. > >> > >> You've documented the "torture" of Hoess--the Allies made him sit > >> in a courtroom festooned with U.S. flags. If you have better > >> references, don't hesitate to post them. In the meantime, perhaps > >> you will refrain from pontificating on what "must be clearly > >> understood". > >> > >> > >>>>> > >The details of the torture of Hoess come directly > >from the mouth of the man who captured and > >tortured him-Bernhard Clarke. > > And is found where? > > > > >>>> Don't play coy. From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:19 PDT 1996 Article: 74420 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:02:13 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 21 Message-ID: <53vnf5$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > In article <53s3am$18a@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > [snip] > > > Then anything Hoess also had to say is hearsay. > > Actually, it's not. > > > thank you and please don't quote from his fake confessions any longer. > > You have yet to establish with even a single piece of evidence, that the > confessions are false. Of course, you can't, because they are not. > >>>> You have yet to establish that 6,000,000 Jews died in the Holocaust, or that the absurd statements of many survivors are not blatant lies. Of course you can't, because they are. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:20 PDT 1996 Article: 74421 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:04:46 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 27 Message-ID: <53vnju$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3261CC5F.1CFB@itsa.ucsf.edu> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > Brian Harmon writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > > > thank > > you and please don't quote from his fake confessions any longer. > > You have wholeheartedly failed to cast asperisions on his > memoirs, Mr. blackmore. Why should we _stop_ quoting from > it? > > Because you say so? > > > > -- > Brian Harmon > >>>> No, you will undoubtedly grasp at any straw from your house of straws until one day it all collapses in a heap of rubbish. Who knows? Perhaps you'll find that "needle in the haystack", so it won't be a total loss. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:20 PDT 1996 Article: 74422 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-lond.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Kill em all, let G-d sort em out.... Date: 15 Oct 1996 09:46:22 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 27 Message-ID: <53vmhe$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <326b6e2f.2932665@199.0.216.204> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: > >"Rabbi Chaim Moshe Arbes was seventy-two years > >old when he was forced to fight the Germans, near > >the small town of Buchawek, Poland....The old rabbi > >was a genius at planning. He always seemed to know > >when to strike and where. The sixteen guerillas ambushed > >German patrols and wiped them out. They derailed German > >troop trains, blew up bridges, and destroyed supplies. The > >guerilla band had killed more than one thousand Nazis (Germans-rb) > >In one of the battles the rabbi was captured while covering the > >retreat of the partisans, thus saving them all. Rabbi Chaim > >Moshe Arbes was later hanged in the public square. > > > >SOURCE: A Secret Press in Nazi Europe, Isaac > >Kowalski, Shengold Publishers, pg. 189. > > Would anyone be able to prove all the bravado alleged in this > book? All the bravado that would make it look like it was the Jews who > won the war? I'll bet it's all, or 99% fiction. The fantastic feats > are also common themes in Holocaust books. Going by the accounts you > could get the idea no partisans could have done anything without the > Jews. > Bravado. A component of "Chutzpah". > >>>> Are you implying that Samson didn't slay a thousand Philistines with the jawbone of an ass? From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:21 PDT 1996 Article: 74425 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Six heads are better than one Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:29:01 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 14 Message-ID: <53vp1d$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > In article <53scko$fvh@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > > Comment: These events must have endeared > > the Jewish population to the Nazi authorities. > > The Nazi regime had no love for anything Jewish long before these events > happened. In any event, while the events you relate are horiffic, it hardly > justifies genocide of an entire ethnic group. > > [snip] > >>>> No, it doesn't, what genocide are you referring to? From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:22 PDT 1996 Article: 74426 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stock.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not be Beastly to the Sources Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:08:11 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 19 Message-ID: <53vnqb$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <326a5292.938331415@news.zilker.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >All the reports on the mistreatment of SS and Nazi Party Officials was taken > >from: "Alliierte Kreigsverbrechen und Verbrechen gegen die Menschlichkeit" > >(Allied War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity), which consists of > >depositions given by German interness at the camp of Darmstadt, on behalf of > >defense attorneys at Nuremberg. The information was verified in the reports > >and often confirmed by many witnesses. Published by Durer-Verlag, Buenos > >Aires, > > Buenos Aires! Buenos Aires! You gotta be kidding, right? > > > >>>> Soviet State Commission, Survivor "eyewitness" testimony, unsigned "documents", no forensic tests, no mass graves,....who's kidding who? From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:22 PDT 1996 Article: 74427 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stock.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Will the real Bellinger please stand up? Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:24:10 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 37 Message-ID: <53vooa$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53uor5$ntr@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes: > >> >Let's start by identifying ourselves. I'm Gord McFee. > > >> Welcome, Gord. I'm Mike Curtis. > > >Hello, Mike, hello, Gord. I'm Keith. Or maybe I'm John Morris. > > >Or am I Ken this week? > > Hilary is Ken this week - but she won't say which Ken, so you > could be Ken but not Ken, or Marduk could be you, being one > Ken but not the other Ken. > > Laura was one Ken last week, and Gordon, playing Mike being > Annie pretending to be Sara, was the other Ken, and neither > one spoke to either Moran. > > Of course, it's entirely possible that the Laura being one of > the Ken's last week was in fact Gordon playing Annie playing > Mike pretending to be Hilary's sister's cat. > > Koo koo ka choo, I am the Jamie. > > "I can and will come in under another name > that is not killfiled. You folks have proven > yourselves so freaking dumb that I can do anything > I want to show what idiots you are." > (Just Moshe, June 13, 1996) > -- > Nizkor Canada | http://www.nizkor.org > -----------------------| Remember John Hron > |-------------------------------------- > http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hron-john/ > >>>> Are we all having fun? We will be after you review some of my more recent posts. From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:23 PDT 1996 Article: 74429 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stock.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Miracle on 54th street-In and Out of the Gas Chamber! Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:21:13 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 94 Message-ID: <53voip$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: Stop being such a fool. She said they were hysterical, not that > they were going to kill each other. She said they were hitting one another..... > > # Aside from all this, she states tha she "saw fumes coming in > # through a small window at the top." How interesting.... > > She's obviously talking of one of the "bunkers", or Krema IV > or V, in which the Zyklon was inserted via high openings on the side. Ha ha, ho ho....she said a "window".... > The simplest explanation is that she The simplest explanation is that she is a LIAR Further, her statement about healthy and strong individuals being > # placed in the chamber is contrary to everything written about the > # purpose of the selections. > > Testimony of SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Hofmann, Another LIAR. > > > # Also, her statement that she had been in the gas chamber 1 to 2 > # minutes is nothing more than a complete fabrication. > You stupid Nazi clown. First, you imbeciles claim that it would > take the HCN hours to evaporate from the Zyklon, and that it > would take the victims hours to die I never said that. Prove it. By the way, I am not a Nazi nor am I affiliated with any Nazi organization. Better think up some other slanderous designation..... . Now, you tell us that they > would all have died after a minute or two. The truth is that > the Zyklon releases the HCN, but not that fast; she would not > have died immediately unless she was very close to it. Grow up. It is your own Hoess and other survivors who said that the people died within minutes. Another lie and distortion and Danny is going down for the count...no "photographs will help you here..... > > # Conveniently she also failed to notice whether her rescuer > # was wearing a gas mask or not, > > And someone in that a situation would note each and every detail? Ha ha, ho ho. She was SWEATING on that witness stand...... > > # and the very idea that a guard could simply walk into the gas chamber > # and escort her out without a full riot on his hands is absurd. > > She said that she was already hardly able to move. Probably, so > were the other inmates. Probably....tsk tsk..... > > Is the testimony a standard one? It is quite typical, as I intend to prove soon. Let's see now, we have Ada Bimko, and this "witness" and more are on the way. No. A death camp is an odd place; > many odd things happen in such a place. Many LIES come out of such a place as we are proving every day. > > Personally, I would have discarded the testimony as "probably false"; I won't berate you for it, but I won't. God knows you deserve it, for all the cheap low shots you take at me..... > however, there are too many accurate details in it. More so, these > details would have been known only to someone who went through the > selection process and saw the gas chambers. These details were VERY common......rumors abounded in the camp for years, and I suggest that that is where she got her "information"...... rb > > > > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:24 PDT 1996 Article: 74430 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mr.net!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 'Show Trials'? No, Just Another 'Revisionist' Lie Date: 13 Oct 1996 10:01:49 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 30 Message-ID: <53qemd$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53f9j6$nm3@is05.micron.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: > dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: > . > > >Gee. And our "revisionist scholars" have been telling us > >all along that these were "show trials", in which the accused > >Nazis were "told what to say", bla-bla. > > >"Revisionists". What a bunch of low-life Nazi liars. > > >-Danny Keren. > > The fact that -some- truth got through during the trials doesn't mean the trials as a > whole weren't show-trials, and overwhelmingly determined by coercion. -That- they were. > > Keren is notorious for grabbing a string here or there and weaving an entire blanket out > of it -- which, not coincidentially, is also a method used repeatedly throughout the > "Holocaust" theory. > > Keren is therefore an apt spokesman for the Great Myth. > > Kurt Stele > > >>>> This "habit" of Danny's to which you refer is known as setting up a "red herring", properly defined as: "a false clue intended or tending to mislead someone"..... From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:25 PDT 1996 Article: 74432 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ingr.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: rblackmore lies Date: 13 Oct 1996 09:55:40 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 198 Message-ID: <53qeas$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > My comments below: On Sat, 12 Oct 1996 13:44:21 -0400 jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) writes: >(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following >newsgroups: >alt.revisionism) > >rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > >> How absurd and ignorant it is for Nizkor to claims that confession >> were never extracted from the Germans by coercion or torture! >jamie wrote: >rblackmore then revealed that he based this statement on this passage: > > No doubt there were some cases of mistreatment. Some Allied > soldiers were so shocked with what they saw in the camps that they > reacted with violence, but this is not a serious factor in the > overall picture. rblackmore replies: OK. So there are the two statements. The important part of my statement was "Nizkor....claims that confessions were never extracted from the Germans by coercion or torture." What your statement QAR 20 said was: "No doubt there were some cases of mistreatment." Then, for an example, you wrote: "Some Allied soldiers were so shocked with what they saw in the camps that they reacted with violence, but this is not a serious factor in the overall picture." Now, please advise me if I am misinterpreting: 1. You said there were cases of mistreatment. So, would you mind posting these cases of mistreatment? This way there can be no doubt about your position on this question. 2. Were you, in fact, referring to the massacre of guards at Dachau in the second part of the statement? If not, what were you referring to? 3. You wrote: This is a long way from a policy of torture > inflicted to extract confessions. My position is that there was indeed an allied policy of torture and coercion to extract confessions. In fact, that policy was extended to innocent German civilians as well, who were starved, robbed, raped, tormented, incarcerated, and often murdered, simply because they were Germans, and I have posted much confirming material on this very policy. Finally, you refer the issue to Mr. Raven at the IHR, as if he is my mentor. Please note that I have absolutely no affiliation whatsoever to the IHR or Mr. Raven. He does not dictate my opinions, nor do I agree with all of his. Later, you wrote: rblackmore has Cc'd me email in which he apologizes for making this >> false claim. To which I reply: I did indeed make a good faith apology but you chose to transform it into a "false claim". You took a harmless but well meaning concilatory gesture and perverted it into propaganda for your cause. Then you wrote:>rblackmore, I no longer have any compunctions about considering you >dishonest and hypocritical, and the reasons are plainly given above. >The passage quoted states its position quite clearly, and your >misstatement of it is nothing less than a lie. I was neither dishonest nor hypocritical. In a recent correspondence with me you indicated that Nizkors comments were rather terse and superficial, and that is why I now refer you to numbers 1 and 2 above to ask for a complete clarification and hopefully, an amicable solution to this issue. rb PS: I will reply to the Irving correspondence when I have concluded my reasearch on the subject, but for now, let's first clear this up. >> > > > > > > My comments below: On Sat, 12 Oct 1996 13:44:21 -0400 jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) writes: >(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following >newsgroups: >alt.revisionism) > >rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > >> How absurd and ignorant it is for Nizkor to claims that confession >> were never extracted from the Germans by coercion or torture! >jamie wrote: >rblackmore then revealed that he based this statement on this passage: > > No doubt there were some cases of mistreatment. Some Allied > soldiers were so shocked with what they saw in the camps that they > reacted with violence, but this is not a serious factor in the > overall picture. rblackmore replies: OK. So there are the two statements. The important part of my statement was "Nizkor....claims that confessions were never extracted from the Germans by coercion or torture." What your statement QAR 20 said was: "No doubt there were some cases of mistreatment." Then, for an example, you wrote: "Some Allied soldiers were so shocked with what they saw in the camps that they reacted with violence, but this is not a serious factor in the overall picture." Now, please advise me if I am misinterpreting: 1. You said there were cases of mistreatment. So, would you mind posting these cases of mistreatment? This way there can be no doubt about your position on this question. 2. Were you, in fact, referring to the massacre of guards at Dachau in the second part of the statement? If not, what were you referring to? 3. You wrote: This is a long way from a policy of torture > inflicted to extract confessions. My position is that there was indeed an allied policy of torture and coercion to extract confessions. In fact, that policy was extended to innocent German civilians as well, who were starved, robbed, raped, tormented, incarcerated, and often murdered, simply because they were Germans, and I have posted much confirming material on this very policy. Finally, you refer the issue to Mr. Raven at the IHR, as if he is my mentor. Please note that I have absolutely no affiliation whatsoever to the IHR or Mr. Raven. He does not dictate my opinions, nor do I agree with all of his. Later, you wrote: rblackmore has Cc'd me email in which he apologizes for making this >> false claim. To which I reply: I did indeed make a good faith apology but you chose to transform it into a "false claim". You took a harmless but well meaning concilatory gesture and perverted it into propaganda for your cause. Then you wrote:>rblackmore, I no longer have any compunctions about considering you >dishonest and hypocritical, and the reasons are plainly given above. >The passage quoted states its position quite clearly, and your >misstatement of it is nothing less than a lie. I was neither dishonest nor hypocritical. In a recent correspondence with me you indicated that Nizkors comments were rather terse and superficial, and that is why I now refer you to numbers 1 and 2 above to ask for a complete clarification and hopefully, an amicable solution to this issue. rb PS: I will reply to the Irving correspondence when I have concluded my reasearch on the subject, but for now, let's first clear this up, ok? >> > > > > > > From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:25 PDT 1996 Article: 74433 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: One more for the Discovery Channel Date: 15 Oct 1996 11:50:31 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 8 Message-ID: <53vtq7$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) >From the book "The Scourge of the Swastika" by Lord Russell of Liverpool, Ballantine Books, 1957, 6th Printing, Page 161, we read: "....we know that not less than 3,000,000 people were put to death at Auschwitz, 2,500,000 of them by means of the gas chamber." From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:26 PDT 1996 Article: 74434 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 15 Oct 1996 11:53:10 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 18 Message-ID: <53vtv6$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53uq00$ses@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > Write to the author and ask for a copy of the taped > > interview. BTW, where are the autopsy and toxicological > > reports which you promised ages ago? > > Now you demonstrate, sonny boy, why your comments have so little > credibility: you lie. > > Please produce the post where I "promised" to supply you with a > pathologist's raw notes and the tox reports? > > Produce it or stop lying about it. > > --YFE > >>>> That isn't even a good try. where are the reports? From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:27 PDT 1996 Article: 74435 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!news.akorn.net!news.his.com!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Born again Porno Date: 15 Oct 1996 08:21:40 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 20 Message-ID: <53vhik$aih@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access3.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > >Sure, but you will have to access the whole Streicher > >Pornographer thread under Deja News. You will have > >more than enough material there to satisfy your morbid > >interests. > > You mean there was a sufficiently large sample of text from > DER STUERMER to determine what it did *not* print? Are you a > complete idiot, "Blackmore"? > >>>> Are you a complete *idiot* Power? It seems you are, as you rush to post an opinion without reading the material presented to you which was hashed out to the limit ages ago, and which proved that Streicher's material was NOT pornographic. In any event, you are the one with self-confesses "morbid interests". No wonder you believe in the Holocaust. From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:27 PDT 1996 Article: 74449 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:48:28 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 16 Message-ID: <53vq5s$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3262A2AD.44B@rio.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > Chuck Ferree writes: > Chuck Ferree writs: > > Stele the wannabe natsie, is not a troll, just a punk, liar and > follower of blackmore. Both together have about a 32 IQ, and seem to > be habitual and compulsive masturbaters, which does have an impact on > ones perceptions. In their minds, they see lots of pictures of nude > men and women in lewd poses. > > Chuck > > >>>> Don't look now, Chuck, but one of the pictures was you. Yeck. From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 09:45:48 PDT 1996 Article: 74477 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: inconsistent idiot Date: 15 Oct 1996 08:15:27 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 49 Message-ID: <53vh6v$aih@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access3.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > > And it is all leading > >somewhere, I can assure you....Now, I have a question for > >you? Do you regard Mr. Kowalski as an untrustworthy > >witness? > > Given his words on Katyn, yes, I would hesitate to rely on > him alone as a source. This doesn't mean that nothing he ever > said or wrote, even in that book, was true, but I would not > rely on him on matters of any controversy. Who would you rely on then? You are obviously > picking and choosing what you want us to believe, as you were > doing with the Danuta Czech chronicle. Mr. Power, I can not mkae you or anyone else believe anything. You are free to accept or reject anything I post here. I am simply testing people's honesty and their motivations. You don't seem to have > any standards whatever for evaluating your sources, except > that you'll believe what you want to believe. > >>>> I have one standard for evaluating sources, and that is the truth, which you seem to have difficulty accepting for reasons known only to you. As to Danuta Czech, my sole purpose in examing the cronicle was to establish the veracity and credibility of the "eyewitness survivor" Ada Bimko, and the results of that probe proved she lied, as she also lied when she testified under oath that 4 million Jews were gassed to death at Auschwitz. I dare say that it is you who has the double standard here, Mr. Power. If it had been Josef Kramer, or Hoess, making similar statements undoubtedly you would claim that they were liars. Your partisanship is showing. BTW, do you deny "believing what YOU want to believe? If I post information and proof that a person is lying, and you deny it, that tells us something about your standards. "He who defends the liar, defends the lie." rb From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 09:45:50 PDT 1996 Article: 74482 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 13 Oct 1996 23:54:30 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 62 Message-ID: <53rvfm$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <326113BB.1AA0@ccnis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > "Annie Alpert, OFB" writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > > > > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > > > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > > > > > > > > >> There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that > > > > > >> 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there. After researching the article, it mentions 4 million people...I believe you will agree that Jews are people, and that the overwhelming majority of alleged fatalities at Auschwitz were Jewish? Also, the figure of 4 million Jews "gassed" to death was stated by Ada Bimko, a Jewish Physician and former inmate of Auschwitz, at the Belsen Trial in 1946. For reference, please see page 67 of the same book mentioned. To save time, the quote has been reproduced in a current post here. Also, this fake 4 million figure has been repeated in countless publications and "documentaries" since that time, among them, "The Discovery Channel, WWII magazine, the Pictorial History of the Jewish People, etc., etc.,... > > > > > > > > Of course you can point to the page where there is such a reference, > > > since > > > > > I could find no page which says there was a massive slab on front of the > > > > > museum which claimed that 4 million Jews were gassed. > > > > > > > You are showing yourself more the fool every > > > > day. The 19 stone tablets referred to 4 million > > > > Jews who allegedly died there. They need not > > > > have mentioned gassing. It was a lie any way > > > > you choose to interpret it. BTW, you may now > > > > add these 19 stone slabs to the discovery channel, > > > > WWII magazine, and the Pictorial History of the > > > > Jewish People--and more is on the way. When > > > > you walk in the snow, you cannot hide your tracks..... > > > > > > There was no such placque or series of slabs. There most certainly is, or was. There were in fact 19 of them, so the lie of 4 million dead at Auschwitz could be repeated 19 times in 19 different languages, to deceive people from 19 other countries all around the world. > > > > > > This is just another demonstration of how the "revisionists" lie. This is just another example of how "exterminationists" deny the facts even when they are flaunted directly in their face. > > > > > > > No, just type in the inscription exactly as it is on the plaque. > - > No. Refer to F. Piper, for it was he who ordered that the inscriptions be chiseled out and replaced at a later date, after the findings of an "International Commission". From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 10:56:34 PDT 1996 Article: 74495 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!news.akorn.net!news.his.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!mr.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Nazi "Confessions" Given Under Torture Date: 13 Oct 1996 10:23:25 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 29 Message-ID: <53qfut$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <32605373.4761832@news.awinc.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd32-134.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes: > On 12 Oct 1996 06:13:52 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > >> > kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: > > >> Written before the public release of the Simpson Report. The quoted > >> statements are found nowhere in the report. > > >> The Simpson Report found that the allegations of physical brutality > >> against the Malmedy defendants (and the investigation was limited to those trials) > >> were unfounded. No medical evidence of such torture was found when the > >> persons making those allegations were examined. > > >I wonder why the Judges actual comments were > >deleted from the report? Could it have been a > >COVER-UP? > > Oooo. No we have to add another dodge to blackmore/bellings arsenal. If they > weren't lying they were tortured. If there wasn't any torture than there was > a coverup. > > I wouldn't hold my hand over my ass waiting for your Ph.D. in history if I > were you, Herr Belling. > > >>>> Don't hold your hand over your ass, you might have a sudden urge to ........oops................. From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 13:55:35 PDT 1996 Article: 74515 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Jewish Partisans Date: 15 Oct 1996 09:42:08 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 19 Message-ID: <53vm9g$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3262e48b.3134240@news.awinc.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes: > On 14 Oct 1996 10:41:40 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >In the book, " A Secret Press in Nazi Europe", > >the author writes: > > And once agin you fail to provide a full citation. Why am I not surprised? > >>>> You wouldn't be surprised if you had followed the 5 detailed posts I made yesterday giving all the specifics. Anyway, to appease the unappeaseable, here it is: Published by Shengold Publishers, NY, 1978. Author's name: Isaac Kowalski. Now, that you have the info, what is you want to say? From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 13:55:36 PDT 1996 Article: 74530 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!uniserve!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:23:13 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 20 Message-ID: <53q8th$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53o60o$9g0@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-178.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > > > There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that > > > 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there. > > > You stepped in it that time. The inscription clearly > > stated that 4 million Jews died in Auschwitz. Whether > > gassed or shot, or from disease, the LIE remains the same. > > You are correct: the lie remains the same. In this case the "revisionist" > lie. The placque never stated that "4,000,000 Jews died at Auschwitz." > > It's very easy to dispute this: quote the placque. > > `--YFE > >>>> I have the photos. From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 17:18:27 PDT 1996 Article: 74550 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 15 Oct 1996 21:43:19 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 37 Message-ID: <5410hn$6sn@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <32673ad7.7843486@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad71-150.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > Brian Harmon wrote: > > >rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > >> Yale Edeiken wrote: > >[..] > >> > Which was prompted by compaints about the manner in which the > >> > murder of Jews at Auschwitz was minimized by the authorities. > >> > >> Minimized?! Four million wasn't enough? No, it was prompted by > >> David Cole's video, among other reasons. They were caught in their > >> scam, plain and simple. The dream is over. > > >Garbage. Piper's study began in 1980, many years before > >David Cole made his trip to Auschwitz. > > The copyright date on my copy of Cole's mendacious video is 1992. The > introduction at the beginning of the tape indicates that Cole went to > Auschwitz in September of 1992. > > Some "historian" this "rblackmore." > > -- > John Morris > at University of Alberta > -- > >>>> Thge Auschwitz State Museum maintained the LIE that 4 million human beings were exterminated at Auschwitz for 50 years.....some historians........Whether what you say is true or not, it was still the work of revisionists which compelled the admission, whether Cole, Piper, Rassinier, Faurisson, etc. Also, you regard the work of Cole as being historical? rb rb From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 17:18:28 PDT 1996 Article: 74551 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 15 Oct 1996 21:38:43 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 54 Message-ID: <541093$6sn@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <32663832.7166510@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad71-150.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > [snip] > > >The "job", as I see it, was to deport as many Jews > >as possible out of war zones. In achieving this goal, > >I feel they were highly effective. > > If the "job" was to deport Jews out of the war zones, why were they > deported towards the Eastern Front, the only active war zone besides > Africa and Italy before June 1944? Where else would have been a good place to deport them? The Madagascar plan was out after the outbreak of hostilities, and the Nazis, rightly or wrongly, thought of the Jews as a potential fifth column. Emigration was encouraged before the war, but afterwards there was allso a fear that Jewish people would enlist to fight for the allies, and as Isaac Kowalski informs us in his book, "A Secret Press in Nazi Europe": "What the world at large does not know as yet is that 1 1/2 million Jewish men and women fought within the Allied armies and in the Partisan Movement against the Axis in World War II." Page 332. Shengold Publishers, 1978. I would say that this confirms the Nazis apprehensions. And how, pray tell, if Jews were > merely to be "deported to the East" as so many revisionists claim, > were the deportees to cross an active front into Soviet controlled > territory The Jews were apparently deported into reserves, not within the war zone itself. In any event, if they were detained, then the possibilities for them to obtain arms would be strictly curtailed. And why was the Bialystok ghetto deported, not to the East, > but to the southwest? I would have to research this. I can only reply in a general sense to your questions for now. > > And why do you think that the deportation of Jews out of Europe was > not in itself a horrendous crime? I think things could and should have been handled differently, yes. However, I also think that Japanese Americans should not have been incar- cerated either, nor alleged "fascist sympathizers" living in Britain, nor Italian Americans living in the USA. > > rb From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 17:18:29 PDT 1996 Article: 74563 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 15 Oct 1996 21:24:53 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 18 Message-ID: <540vf5$6sn@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <5404pq$af9@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad71-150.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > > > You have the photos? From where? > > > > Matthew Monroe. > > > And? > > There is no "and." You asked where I got the photographs. He was > the source. > > --YFE > >>>> Yes, but where did he obtain the photographs? From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 17:18:29 PDT 1996 Article: 74564 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: inconsistent idiot Date: 15 Oct 1996 21:54:52 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <54117c$6sn@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad71-150.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > karlpov@access3.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > >> Given his words on Katyn, yes, I would hesitate to rely on > >> him alone as a source. This doesn't mean that nothing he ever > >> said or wrote, even in that book, was true, but I would not > >> rely on him on matters of any controversy. > > >Who would you rely on then? > > Well, golly, that would depend on who else had written on the > matter, wouldn't it? > > >I have one standard for evaluating sources, and that is > >the truth, > > Which you have obviously determined before even looking at > your sources. > >>>> Aren't you writing about yourself? rb From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 17:18:30 PDT 1996 Article: 74569 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel Date: 15 Oct 1996 21:49:42 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 20 Message-ID: <5410tm$6sn@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3263cc37.6095493@news.spry.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad71-150.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes: > On 15 Oct 1996 11:23:27 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >> Chuck Ferree writes: > >> Chuck Ferree writes: > > >> What is your definition of The Holocaust? I mean your personal > >> definition! > > >I will give it in e-mail and it is not to be posted. > >If you agree to this, then e-mail me. > > And what is it you wish to hide, Herr Belling? > >>>> It is nothing I am hiding, by the way. I WILL post it as soon as I am ready. You wouldn't want me to rush in with an opinion before I ahve thoroughly researched the subject, would you?.....Sure, you would. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 17:18:31 PDT 1996 Article: 74572 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 15 Oct 1996 21:39:47 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 21 Message-ID: <5410b3$6sn@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <32632630.59E2@itsa.ucsf.edu> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad71-150.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > Brian Harmon writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > Yale Edeiken wrote: > [..] > > > Which was prompted by compaints about the manner in which the > > > murder of Jews at Auschwitz was minimized by the authorities. > > > > Minimized?! Four million wasn't enough? No, it was prompted by > > David Cole's video, among other reasons. They were caught in their > > scam, plain and simple. The dream is over. > > Garbage. Piper's study began in 1980, many years before > David Cole made his trip to Auschwitz. > > -- > Brian Harmon > >>>> Right. And it took 10 years for them to correct the obvious. Give us a break. From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 17:18:31 PDT 1996 Article: 74574 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Will the real Bellinger please stand up? Date: 15 Oct 1996 22:16:29 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 27 Message-ID: <5412ft$bjg@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd19-109.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > In article <53vooa$bau@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > [snip] > > > Are we all having fun? We will be after you review > > some of my more recent posts. > > You mean the posts where you claim Kramer was a nice guy who did what he > could to save the Jews ? OR the post where you claim that the Auschwitz > Museum had '19 slabs' which stated that 4 million Jews were gassed. Or > perhaps you're referring to the posts where you claim that Hoess was > tortured ? Or even the posts where you hold up a source from 1961, and > 1957, and claim some conspiracy to propagate a false figure regarding the > number of dead at Auschwitz ? Or maybe evey the post where it is revealed > that you claimed the Discovery Channel was knowingly misleading the public > ? No, wait, I know - you mean the post where it is shown that you made a > totally unfounded accusation against the Simon Wisenthal Center. That's > probably it. > > ------------------- > When you arise in the morning, give thanks for the morning light, for your > life and your strength. Give thanks for your food and for the joy of living. > If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies in yourself. > >>>> Fool. From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 17:18:32 PDT 1996 Article: 74577 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!chi-news.cic.net!mr.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel Date: 15 Oct 1996 21:52:44 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 33 Message-ID: <54113c$6sn@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53v1b1$1hrg@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad71-150.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message <53rvqg$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com14 Oct 1996 > 00:00:16 GMT writes: > :> > :>> gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > :>> In message <53nfam$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com writes: > :>> :> > :>> > :> The lie was propagated with either malicious > :>> :>or irresponsible intent to deceive and inflame the public. > :>> > :>> Only if one erects a straw man in order to later knock it down. The precise > :>> number murdered during the Holocaust is only a matter of incidental academic > :>> interest. It is the historicity of the Holocaust that is the issue. Do you > :>> deny that? > :> > :>I do not deny it-I simply ask for a precise definition > :>of the Holocaust, which is not incompatible with > :>all the lies and distortions which are being exposed > :>in this USENET. It seems that the "Holocaust" is > :>subject to many interpretations.... > > Then I ask again. Can you define that which you claim not to deny? > > > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> Will you first present that which you claim to support? From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 19:07:36 PDT 1996 Article: 74592 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!EU.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: "Survivor" Abraham Glinowieski-Beaten by the Invisible Man Date: 15 Oct 1996 22:28:41 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 40 Message-ID: <54136p$bjg@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd19-109.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Here is some more "survivor testimony" i.e., more LIES< taken from "The Belsen Trial" pages 103, 105: Glinowieski: Kramer caught me once in Auschwitz, about November, 1943, when I was in possession of a small piece of bread and a little margarine. Also I "collected" (Quotation marks mine-rb) a pair of jackboots and for this I received 25 strokes." Cross examined by Major Winwood, pages 105, 106: Winwood: You mentioned an incident in October or November, 1943, when you received 25 strokes >from Kramer at Auschwitz. Do you not agree that we still had to wait a matter of five months after this date before Kramer ever came to Auschwitz? A: No, it is not true. Q: In the statement you made to a British officer at Belsen, why did you not mention this very painful incident? A: Because only photographs of the S.S. men were shown to me and I was asked to say whether I could not accuse any of them?" End of Quotes. Ha! Read it for yourselves. Another liar. By the way, I referred to the Auschwitz Chronicle regarding the months and years of Kramer's service at Auschwitz. the result?: "In 1944 he returned to Auschwitz as Commander of Birkenau but was transferred in November of that year to Bergen-Belsen in the same function." Page 816. Another day, another liar. "If you can't believe the messengers, how can you believe the message?" From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 19:07:37 PDT 1996 Article: 74600 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Eyewitnessess Date: 15 Oct 1996 09:33:15 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 27 Message-ID: <53vlor$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53thj5$k6c@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message <53qiga$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> - ct 1996 11:06:50 GMT writes: > :> > :>> "Samuel G. Hammons" writes: > :>> The topic of whether the holocaust happened or not is closed as far as I > :>> am concerned. My grandfather was an Army captain during WWII. He was > :>> with Patton's Third Army. He saw concentration cams and death cams that > :>> they liberated. He said it. I believe it. Why would he make it up? > :>> > :>>>>> > :>No one has ever denied there were concentration > :>camps. What is your definition of the Holocaust? > > What is yours? After all, it is _you_ who denies it. Do you know what you > deny? > > > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> Indeed, I do. Do you know what it is you are attempting to defend? rb From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 19:07:38 PDT 1996 Article: 74601 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45 Date: 15 Oct 1996 09:32:02 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <53vlmi$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53p7tb$r0c@grivel.une.edu.au> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes: > : > : >Mr. "Blackmore" and I have been around this one before when he used to post > : >under another pseudonym. > : > : Perhaps the time has come to reveal Jellybelly's real name. > : > > Or at least his/her/its other pseudonyms. > > d.A. > >>>> Why don't you start posting the truth about the holocaust for a change? rb From rblackmore@juno.com Tue Oct 15 21:10:13 PDT 1996 Article: 74648 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!ra.nrl.navy.mil!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: BUCHENWALD: LEGEND AND REALITY Date: 15 Oct 1996 09:30:41 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 36 Message-ID: <53vlk1$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53thir$k6c@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd20-115.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > In message - mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark > Van Alstine) writes: > :> > :>In article <53qce3$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > :> > :>[snip] > :> > :>> ...Atleast I don't go around parading photos of people who > :>> died from disease and then imply that they were murdered. > :> > :>No, instead Herr Schwarzesel, when confronted with the graphic evidence > :>of Nazi murder by brutality, privation, starvation, and disease at > :>Bergen-Belsen, tries to white-wash said Nazi crimes, vindicate those Nazis > :>in charge, and implicity and/or explicity blame the British for the deaths > :>of the victims of Nazi persecution there. > :> > :>All in a day's work for a lying scumbag Nazi apologists like Herr Schwarzesel. > :> > :>(And yes, he _has_ flipped.) > > All it seems in a desperate attempt to deflect things to the "atrocities" > suffered by the Germans. Now where have we seen that line of reasoning > before? > > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> Are you saying that Germans who suffered as much or worse than some Jews are not deserving of equal compassion? rb From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct 16 00:28:07 PDT 1996 Article: 74694 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 14 Oct 1996 09:55:49 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 18 Message-ID: <53t2n5$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53rvsp$60i@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd43-102.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > > > Yes. Your "evidence" was a "reasonable suspicion." You have > > > poste nothing else concerning his treatment at the time he confessed or > when > > > he wrote his memoirs. > > > Wrong again. Browse, Counselor, browse....... > > I have. You have produced nothing other than your "reasonable > suspicion." > > --YFE > >>>> And you have produced nothing but distortions... From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct 16 00:28:08 PDT 1996 Article: 74698 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: 15 Oct 1996 21:24:09 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 67 Message-ID: <540vdp$6sn@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ad71-150.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > [snip] > Irrespective of this fact, you have LIED again, this time about the > Auschwitz Museum. Please. You are so obvious. The LIE is that 4 million people were murdered at Auschwitz, the majority of them Jews. Your comparisons between my alleged "lie" and theirs is ridiculous. Add this to your lies about the Simon Wisenthal Center, I never told lies about the Wiesenthal Center. > your lies about the motives of the Discovery Channel, I never lied about the motives of the Discovery Channel. Perhaps you will be kind enough to inform us of their motives for airing a "documentary" where it was stated as a matter of fact that 4.5 million Jews were murdered at Auschwitz? and your credibility, > which was not great to begin with, is now beyond non-existent. Only in your distorted imagination.... > > >Also, the figure of 4 million Jews "gassed" to death > > was stated by Ada Bimko, a Jewish Physician and former > > inmate of Auschwitz, at the Belsen Trial in 1946. For reference, > > please see page 67 of the same book mentioned. To save time, > > the quote has been reproduced in a current post here. Also, > > this fake 4 million figure has been repeated in countless > > publications and "documentaries" since that time, among > > them, "The Discovery Channel, WWII magazine, the Pictorial > > History of the Jewish People, etc., etc.,... > > You've yet to establish: You've yet to admit that the above have grossly and irresponsibly LIED to the world about the alleged figure of dead Jews at Auschwitz. > > (1) That there is some sort of conspiracy, Joosh (tm) or otherwise, that > intends to propagate an incorrect figure. I never said that there was a Jewish conspiracy. > (2) That this figure negates thet FACT that more than six million people > were killed, and the FACT that the Holocaust happened. You have yet to prove your #2 contention. From the way things are going, you are not doing so well. Plenty of accusations, but no proof. > > [other blackmore garbage snipped] > > ------------------- > When you arise in the morning, give thanks for the morning light, for your > life and your strength. Give thanks for your food and for the joy of living. > If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies in yourself. Indeed, I finally agree completely with something you have written. I see great joy in living, and it is my belief that ALL people should be accorded this joy as well.rb > >>>> From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct 16 07:15:16 PDT 1996 Article: 74727 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs) Date: 16 Oct 1996 08:02:44 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 37 Message-ID: <5424r4$flf@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <326e4b91.12125575@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd38-250.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > [in response to Yale Edeiken re: Dr. Charles Larson's forensic > reports] > > >You are the liar. I asked from day one for the reports > >as soon as you made the mistake of telling me they > >existed. Where are they? I read what Larson said > >and I do NOT accept his opinions without the proof > >to confirm it. > > Of course, you believe Larson was a liar. Why was Larson a liar? > Because he was in on the "cover-up." What cover-up? Why the cover-up > of the truth about the Holocaust. Are you supposed to be second guessing me here? > > This is starting to sound pretty lame: every document is a forgery; > every confession was extorted by torture; every witness was lying. > Whew! That's some kind of theory of history! Well, at least you are getting closer to the truth. > > What is really a hoot is that no one ever heard of Charles Larson on > this newsgroup until about a year and a half ago when deniers started > posting the IHR's claims that Larson claimed to have found no evidence > of homicidal gassing in the Altreich which a quick read of Larson's > memoirs (by Mark Van Alstine) showed not to be the case. > > But, what the hell: if you can't believe the messengers how can you > believe the message. Use your own quotes, don't steal mine. > -- rb From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct 16 07:15:16 PDT 1996 Article: 74728 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: inconsistent idiot Date: 16 Oct 1996 08:03:57 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5424td$flf@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd38-250.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > bodhi@sattva.org (Bodhisattva) writes: > In article <53vgjh$a7u@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > > > bodhi@sattva.org (Bodhisattva) writes: > > > Excellent work. Good thing someone has the patience to sort through > > > Blackmore's shite. > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > Perhaps you should have waited before you rushed to > > congratulate Mr. Power. There was and is no inconsistency. > > Sure. > > > All is planned ahead of time......... > > Sure. > > > There is, however, a certain > > inconsistency between your comments about having the "patience > > to sort through" my "shite", in that you have obviously accessed > > and read through it quite often. > > Sorry; I don't see it, and neither does anyone else. > >>>> You're all the blind leading the blind anyway. I would not have expected less. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct 16 07:15:17 PDT 1996 Article: 74729 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs) Date: 16 Oct 1996 07:59:20 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 24 Message-ID: <5424ko$flf@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <326d4a36.11779230@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd38-250.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > [re: the difficulty of obtaining documents from archival sources which > of course are difficult to obtain unless you can produce a letter of > recommendation demonstrating a serious scholarly purpose, and > sometimes even that is not enough, as I found out to my chagrin two > summers ago at the Bodleian Library, though I finally did manage to > obtain a reader's pass, but that's a whole other story] > > >If they ARE unlikely to be easily accessible, and they ARE, > >what do you think is the reason for it? > > It's a Jewish conspiracy? > > -- > John Morris > at University of Alberta > -- > > >>>> Is it? From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct 16 07:15:17 PDT 1996 Article: 74730 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs) Date: 16 Oct 1996 08:00:18 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 28 Message-ID: <5424mi$flf@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <540jle$p8q@Networking.Stanford.EDU> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd38-250.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes: > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote: > >rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > > >[re: the difficulty of obtaining documents from archival sources which > >of course are difficult to obtain unless you can produce a letter of > >recommendation demonstrating a serious scholarly purpose, and > >sometimes even that is not enough, as I found out to my chagrin two > >summers ago at the Bodleian Library, though I finally did manage to > >obtain a reader's pass, but that's a whole other story] > > > >>If they ARE unlikely to be easily accessible, and they ARE, > >>what do you think is the reason for it? > > > >It's a Jewish conspiracy? > > Yes, that must be it. > > I mean, just last week I went up to the Hill, asked for the original copy > of the Declaration of Independence, and they handed it to me forthwith, no > questions asked. Why should the Nazi records be any different? Must be > those damn Jews. > > -rich > >>>> Must be those damn liars, who ever they may be. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct 16 07:15:18 PDT 1996 Article: 74731 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs) Date: 16 Oct 1996 07:58:26 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 20 Message-ID: <5424j2$flf@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53v1f0$1hrg@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd38-250.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: > rblackmore writes: > :>> > :>> > :>> > > :>What are you implying? > > Who says I am implying anything? > > > > -- > Gord McFee > I'll write no line before its time > > >>>> Is that a denial? From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct 16 07:15:19 PDT 1996 Article: 74732 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs) Date: 16 Oct 1996 07:57:24 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5424h4$flf@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <53unv3$ses@news.enter.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd38-250.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > > > > > >Which do you refer to? BTW, Edeikin claimed such > > > >reports exist and he had access to them. I do not > > > >say that I have such reports concerning the Soviets. > > > >This being the case, what IS your point? > > > Liar. I presented you with the conclusions of a forensic pathologist and the > place where his complete report could be found. > > > > Again, Yale E. made a > > claim that he had access to toxicological reports which would > > prove that victims died from cyanide poisoning at Dachau. > > I did not claim that these people were gassed. So, it is up > > to him to now put his money where his mouth is. > > Liar. I claimed they were part of the Congressional Record. Look them up > for yourself. > > You will not, of course. You asked for forensic evidence. You received it. > > --YFE > >>>> I received your lprevarications, as usual. Where are the toxicological reports? Produce them. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct 16 07:15:20 PDT 1996 Article: 74736 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45 Date: 16 Oct 1996 08:07:01 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 31 Message-ID: <542535$flf@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3264940b.1020640099@news.zilker.net> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd38-250.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes: > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > > >I have the Lifton book, but I am not interested in a > >deposition from a person who never testified to his > >comments in a trial. Also, there still is no proof that > >this person ever existed. > > Rather odd sentiment from someone who claims to be a serious > *researcher*. > > >You speak of lazy researchers? Where are the toxicological tests > > you claimed were done on alleged gassing victims at dachau, > >which you claimed to have? > > The ball is the *researcher's* court, Mr. Blackmore/Belling/Whoever. > > >> > >> Exactly. Now prove it. Start with the Simpson Report and prove that it is > >> in error. > > > >Your Simpson reprt was a whitewash. What Judge van Roden said was > >the truth. > > Says Belling/Balckmore/whoever as he/she stamps his/her feet on the > floor. > > > >>>> At least I am still not in diapers, as I imagine you are. From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct 16 07:15:20 PDT 1996 Article: 74738 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it... Date: 16 Oct 1996 08:12:01 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <5425ch$flf@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <3262A951.7064@rio.com> Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd38-250.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > Chuck Ferree writes: > Chuck Ferree wrote: > > > >>>> > > They have been posted. Don't look too far though, > > you might become stigmatized. > > > Well, I've been searching the entire Internet, and by golly they just > ain't there. Better have my computer checked out. > Chuck > >>>> Better have your eyes checked out while you're at it. rb From rblackmore@juno.com Wed Oct 16 07:15:21 PDT 1996 Article: 74740 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!loki.tor.hookup.net!nic.ott.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: rblackmore@juno.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Rblackmore Lies for the nth time... Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:43:34 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 65 Message-ID: <53s2bm$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> References: Reply-To: rblackmore@juno.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dd14-091.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) > rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes: > I have told you time and time again that I do not receive the Discovery > Channel. You have also said that you contacted the Discovery Channel weeks ago......yet you REFUSE to tell us what they replied..... However, since your claim really has > nothing to do with the statement in the documentary, which I have not > di