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Article: 78131 of alt.revisionism
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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Subject: Re: Jews and US World War II Intervention
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In article <553rvc$oqa@newsbf02.news.aol.com> ivanpv@aol.com "IVANPV" writes:

>               Benjamin Ginsberg in "The Fatal Embrace:  Jews and the
> State" depicts  the Jewish  effort to bring the US into World War II. 
> Ginsberg writes ( p. 108): 

This is a lolapalooza of a book; Ginsberg says everything the "craziest of 
anti-Semites" have been saying for 50 years, albeit in a much more restrained
manner.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



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Article: 78142 of alt.revisionism
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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Subject: Michael Shermer - some skeptic
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Subject: Report of Shermer Lecture

Al,

Here is a report of a lecure by Michael Shermer published in San Diego
Associaion for Rational Inquiry 'Newsletter' Oct/Dec 1996.

Lecture on the Holo-
caust Deniers given by
Dr. Michael Shermer

	In my youth I lived in a small town in Norway. Most of the residents knew
or knew about, each other. In this population were several Jewish families They
were arrested and shipped off to unknown places by the Germans upon occupation
of Norway in 1940.  None were ever to return.
	At the end of the war it became clear why. From direct evidence found in
the concentration camps and in the mass-graves, from the stories of the
survivors and others, from the testimonies at the postwar trials, from the
mountains of circumstantial evidence including the wide scale, systematic arrest
and disappearance of Jewish people from Germany and the occupied territories,
the horror of the holocaust emerged.  It never occurred to me that the existence
of this horror would ever be questioned by anyone. However, this may be
happening today.
	Dr. Michael Shermer, a Historian of Science, an Adjunct Professor at
Occidental College in Los Angeles, a leading authority on Holocaust denial, and
the Editor-in-Chief and publisher of Skeptic Magazine, presented a lecture on
"The Holocaust Deniers" at the SDARI meeting on September 29, 1996.
	Because he has carried out extensive research in this area, and has
interviewed many leading deniers, Dr. Shermer could provide at least a limited
inside viewpoint on why these people make their preposterous claim that the
holocaust (with about six million people murdered) did not  happen, but rather
that a few hundred thousand people were badly treated, even killed, as often
happens in wartime. This claim ignores the overwhelming evidence,  indeed the
facts, that point directly to the holocaust. The holocaust deniers ground their
belief, in essence, on the fact that no official German document that orders the
extermination of the Jews has been found, and that there are some discrepancies
in the estimates made of the actual numbers of people murdered.  By focusing on
minor inconsistencies or trivial errors in the mainstream historical literature,
they attempt to discredit and dismiss the larger issue that is based on strong
evidence and facts. The deniers assert that the holocaust as defined by
mainstream historians today is political propaganda put out by the Allies.
	Dr. Shermer gave many examples of material available to historians and
others that refutes many claims of the holocaust deniers. He emphasized that the
holocaust was not one event, put into motion by written orders from Hitler, but
rather a series of events separated in pace and time and occurring over several
years that escalated in ferocity as the Nazi high command sought "the final
solution" to the Jewish question. Therefore, it is impossible to approach the
catastrophe we call the holocaust as a single, provable event.
	One group of holocaust deniers is organized as the Institute for
Historical Review with headquarters in Newport Beach. The Institute's official
publication has the appearance of a respectable publication with the title The
Journal of Historical Review.  In answering a question from the audience, Dr.
Shermer gave his opinion that each holocaust denier has a different reason for
his belief.  Some appear to like the fascist power structure, others may be
motivated by antisemitism, still others view this as a cause by which they can
obtain attention or money, and some may wish to rewrite history to further the
political goals of their own group. They are small in number but vocal and well
organized.
	It is a chilling thought that in a few decades, when essentially all who
lived through the holocaust period are gone, the pseudo-historians and their
crackpot associates may be even more successful in distorting the truth about
these tragic mass murders.  E.A.H.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Nov  1 14:04:55 PST 1996
Article: 78146 of alt.revisionism
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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In article <553btv$63v@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> 
>   
> >  Are you trying to tell us that it is torture to be locked up in a prison?
> 
>         Under certain circimstances yes.  Your plan is to use it as coercion 
> to deprive Danish citizens of their human rights.


Hell Yale, they've already been deprived of their guns! Wait until the 
government takes away your gun, then President Farrakhan will give you
all your just desserts. You won't be whining about his "Hitler's ovens" 
speech then, you be crying to the ADL and all the other Jewish organisations
who have lobbied to disarm Americans, "G_d, how could you have been so blind?"

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Nov  1 14:04:56 PST 1996
Article: 78147 of alt.revisionism
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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Subject: Re: England to Enforce the Holocaust Lie
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In article <55219n$1t@is05.micron.net> kurtstel@micron.net "Kurt Stele" writes:

> >>  Check out Crying Wolf by Laird Wilcox; he documents numerous such incidents.> 
> >       I have checked out his book.  It's bullshit.
> 
> Err, Yale, you'll have to provide some actual evidence of  your claim.  Blanket
>  statements
> from a known liar prove nothing.

If Yale did say this then he really is talking through his arse. Wilcox has
a long left wing pedigree. This seminal book confirms what I have long maintained:
that the whole of our social policy, certainly on race, is based on an enormous
lie: RACISM = gas chambers.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Nov  1 14:04:57 PST 1996
Article: 78148 of alt.revisionism
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism FAQ Version 105.a
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In article 
           karlpov@access1.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

> weirwolf@tyrell.net (Weirwolf) writes:
> 
> >46)  Why did Otto Frank, father of diarist Anne Frank, leave Germany?
> 
> >a)  Otto Frank was wanted in Germany on charges of embezzlement of 
> >money from him employer.


Otto Frank didn't have an employer, he ran is own company. Oh boy.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Nov  1 16:38:49 PST 1996
Article: 78168 of alt.revisionism
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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Subject: Re: Photograph: Rascher's Letter Concerning the Dachau Gas Chamber
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> # The subjects were either criminals condemned to death or
> # volunteers, I believe.
> 
> Indeed, one of Rascher's reports mentions that the "experimental
> subjects" were "Jews who had practiced racial pollution". For
> him, and for you, this was obviously a "crime", for which they
> deserved to be tortured to death in the most cruel way possible.

Be objective Dan, Rassenschande was a crime for Aryans too; it was the men
who were punished. The Torah also preaches racial purity.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy




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