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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Oct  3 14:07:50 PDT 1996
Article: 71427 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Hitler suicide? Not necessarily....
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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com  writes:

> > According to the "psychic" Peter Hurkos, Hitler survived the war and was 
> > spotted travelling through Spain. Perhaps he ended up in a convent in South
> > America?
> 
> Does the "psychic" present any facts, Mr. Baron?
>  
> Hugh Thomas presents quite a few of them.

Try EXPLODING THE PSYCHIC DETECTIVE MYTH by, um, Alexander Baron.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct  4 17:24:36 PDT 1996
Article: 71656 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: 40 Questions about the holocaust hoax
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In article <52te6v$ln9@news.ios.com> NO@thank.you.e-mail.bombs "Dan Cook" writes:

>         1. WHAT PROOF EXISTS THAT THE NAZIS PRACTICED GENOCIDE OR
> DELIBERATELY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS?
> 
>         None. The only evidence is the contradictory testimony of individual
> "survivors", and no "survivor" claims actually to have witnessed any
> gassing. 

An outright lie; there are at least two who claim not only to have witnessed
a gassing but to have been gassed!


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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct  4 17:24:36 PDT 1996
Article: 71658 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Revisionist Def Comedy Jam - Part 3
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In article <52v204$7ga@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
>      H.) "Gitta Sereny, another Jewish historian, noted in her book Into
>      That Darkness: 


Sereny is not Jewish; I thought she was too but she is a landed Swiss.

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Oct  5 08:55:00 PDT 1996
Article: 71839 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

>             Giwer the Liar Posts a Testimony
>                   Which Does Not Exist
>                   -------------------- 
> 
> 
> # In Lueneburg, Germany, a Jewish physician, testifying at the
> # trial of 45 men and women for war crimes at the Belsen and
> # Oswiecim [Auschwitz] concentration camps, said that 80,000
> # Jews,  representing the entire ghetto of Lodz, Poland, had been
> # gassed or burned to death in one night at the Belsen camp.
> 
> 
> 
> Since there was no such mass gassing in Belsen, Giwer is 
> trying to make it appear as if a witness said there was such 
> gassing, in order to "prove" that this witness was lying.
> 
> Giwer has yet to provide the name of this witness. But
> he can't. Note that his only response to this reasonable
> request is to spam the group by reposting something totally 
> unrelated. 

I have already explained this; Giwer is correct when he says such testimony
was given at Belsen. The confusion here is that the Belsen Trial also
covered Auschwitz as you know; this may have been an honest mistake. I suspect
that he is referring to Dr Bendel, whose estimate although far short of 80,000
in one night - 24,000+ - is still ridiculous. The Law Report on the Hoess trial
says the maximum capacity for the entire camp was 60,000 a day, so if Giwer did
lie he is in good company.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Oct  5 08:55:00 PDT 1996
Article: 71862 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: 4,000,000 less 3,000,000 still leaves 6,000,000
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In article <3253bd7c.237033823@news.zilker.net>
           mike@aimetering.com "Mike Curtis" writes:
> Er, the discussion was about zillions of doctors at AUSCHWITZ.

I never referred to "zillions" of doctors. As there is no such thing as a
zillion or if there is it is a number which far exceeds the number of human
beings alive I can only assume that your suggesting it be taken literally is
facetious. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Oct  5 08:55:01 PDT 1996
Article: 71874 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: euthanasia murders?
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In article <534bei$3ps@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>
           mgiwer@worldnet.att.net "Matt  Giwer" writes:

> >>      Euthansia was NOT a war crime yet, as the jew traitor Keren points out,

I really don't think this sort of personal abuse is condusive to anything useful.
Dan isn't a traitor, he is simply a dogmatist, something that is sadly rather 
common to both sides of all debates.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Oct  5 08:55:02 PDT 1996
Article: 71875 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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In article <5344hc$38q@juliana.sprynet.com> rblackmore@juno.com  writes:
>  I recommend Pierre Vidal-Naquet's essay in _Assassins of
> >  Memory_
> 

> 
> I have the book.  I will try to read it when I get the time.  I am reading at
>  least
> 4 different books right now.  However, I am perfectly capable of interpreting
> German for myself.  I am fluent.  I also acknowledge that many "revisionists'
> often miss the mark, but so do the non-revisionists.  I think that it depends on> the individual.

Don't bother with this book; it's an utterly worthless polemic.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct  6 08:48:32 PDT 1996
Article: 72095 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING to tour Australia????
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In article <325f7fb1.8507113@199.0.216.204> tm@pacificnet.net "tom moran" writes:

> mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:
> 
> >In article <53486o$nh6@Networking.Stanford.EDU>, rcgraves@ix.netcom.com
> >(Rich Graves) wrote:
> >
> >> ncrccjc@ibm.net (Bernie Farber) writes:
> >> >
> >> >>>>>IRVING TACKLES PM ON SPEECH
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Right-Wing British historian David Irving has challenged Prime
> >> >>>>>Minister John Howard to back his claims on freedom of speech by
> >> >>>>>allowing him to visit Australia.
> >> >
> >> >For accuracy , David irving has described himself as a "mild fascist".

Irving said this before his conversion to Holocaust Revisionism at a time when
he was far from persona non grata with Organised Jewry. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct  6 08:48:32 PDT 1996
Article: 72096 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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In article <535fn1$1f2@juliana.sprynet.com> rblackmore@juno.com  writes:

> >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
> >  >  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >
> 
> >  
> >       Odd that physicians who examined the alleged victims could find no 
> >  medical results of severe torture.

Or of cyanide poisoning!
-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct  6 08:48:33 PDT 1996
Article: 72101 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Why is there no revisionist version of Nizkor?
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In article <536203$a67@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> 
> The proof that the "Lachout Document" is a forgery was posted
> to the net and to the web. It is there, in its entirety, for
> anyone to read. I assure you, with regard to Lachout, that the
> evidence is damning. Zundel's promotion of the "document" can
> now be seen in its proper light: He produced a product, and
> sold it, and this product promoted a clearly false, clearly
> forged, document. No "face to face" confrontation would permit
> this evidence to be produced in such a convincing fashion, and
> it might be quickly, and conveniently, forgotten. On the net,
> it will _never_ be forgotten.
> 
> >that can be done via the Internet.  There are stacks of documents that
> >each side have that would take ages to post on the 'net.  There is
> 

> And post them we will, one right after the other - hundreds of thousands 
> of them.

There is the lying polemic of Suzman and Diamond (which yours truly has
critiqued) and which is worse than the Lachout document because their lies
effected a change of the law in South Africa. There are countless survivor
memoirs, some of which are so blatant they are embarrassing. Let's hear some
fulsome condemnation of fraud on both sides.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct  6 08:48:34 PDT 1996
Article: 72102 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Priests murdered in Dachau
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

> rblackmore@juno.com writes:
> 
> >"Left-wing extremists near Madrid giving their clenched fist salute
> >after burning of convent property:   An example of the anti-catholic
> >feeling which has inspired the burning of many churches and convents throughout> >the country.
> 
> Is this supposed to inspire feelings of horror? The Nazis, learning a
> lesson from Vlad Tsepesh, filled synagogues with people before burning
> them.

Don't forget that he was a good Christian. As far as I know Hitler didn't 
dine among the cadavers, so why all the hysteria?

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct  6 11:05:48 PDT 1996
Article: 72124 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur
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In article <536tf1$dki@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>
           mgiwer@worldnet.att.net "Matt  Giwer" writes:

>                     THE CRUCIFIXION OF JEWS MUST STOP!
>                            By MARTIN H. GLYNN
>                   (Former Governor of the State of N.Y.)

It's a right this article, I got a copy of the original from the Newspaper
Library. Does anyone know who dug it out? I think it appeared in The Barnes
Review a while back. I did have a comp subscription to this but I'm persona
non grata with Willis Carto now.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Oct  7 07:32:52 PDT 1996
Article: 72227 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Evil Palestinians
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
> 
> # The total of kids shot under the age of twenty was over 900.
> 
> Source? Anyway, "under 20" is not equivalent to "kids".

Between December 1992 and May 1993 there were about 100 deaths, a third of
them schoolkids. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct  8 08:33:53 PDT 1996
Article: 72456 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: THE MANY-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG
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In article <538ltt$gao@faith.total.net>
           jtoth@infobahnos.com "Judith Toth" writes:

> 
> >You're missing the point. Practically no one here is interested in
> >defending the Soviet Union, or Stalin, or even Ilya Ehrenburg if he did
> >write the anti-German tracts which have been posted. Deniers often try 
> >to imply that to expose Nazi atrocities is to defend Soviet atrocities,
> >but this is a twisted logic peculiar to deniers.

No one here, maybe, obviously though you haven't made a study of the make
up of the "anti-fascist" movement, which in Britain, the US and France at 
least is dominated by the hard left.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct  8 08:33:53 PDT 1996
Article: 72457 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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In article <92o4tk7ycxd.fsf@krusty.eecs.umich.edu>
           kckluge@krusty.eecs.umich.edu "Karl Kluge" writes:

> Name 3 witch confessions which were not obtained under torture or the threat
> of torture. Be sure to take into account that repentent confessed witches
> received the "mercy" of being strangled before being burned at the stake in
> some countries.

Don't be a fucking arsehole, there were literally hundreds of them. There have
even been many confessions this century. How many people confessed to the murder
of the Lindburgh baby? Two hundred, that's how many. People confess falsely
to crimes everyday without torture, without even prompting. Christ, there are
hundreds of people, more, in the United States alone who claim to have been
kidnapped by UFOs. Don't be so stupid.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct  8 22:50:47 PDT 1996
Article: 72764 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: euthanasia murders?
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In article <53aaiv$osc@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>
           mgiwer@worldnet.att.net "Matt  Giwer" writes:
> 
>         I did not think we were debating Keren here but it is clear that he
> promotes as true the obvious lies of Israel regarding the murder of the
> crew of the USS Liberty.  He pretends to be both a US citizen and a Jew
> which makes him a jew traitor by his own words.  
> 
>         There may be larger issues here but there is no reason not to indentify
>  him
> for what he has professed to be by his own words.  

Dan is like so many others of his kind, a victim of indoctrination. The thought
that someone can have a contrary opinion on this subject without being an 
anti-Semite causes him great consternation. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct  8 22:50:48 PDT 1996
Article: 72765 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: 'Show Trials'? No, Just Another 'Revisionist' Lie
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Grese: That is a lie. Perhaps it is her habit to lie.
> 
> 
> 
> So, an accused Nazi calling the survivors, and a senior
> member of the British counsel for the prosecution, "liars".
> 
> Gee. And our "revisionist scholars" have been telling us
> all along that these were "show trials", in which the accused
> Nazis were "told what to say", bla-bla.

You're missing the point Dan; according to Kopper (off the top of my head)
Grese had tried to make this guard shoot prisoners (at Ravensbruck) and
when he refused he was put on a charge. He was acquitted and Grese was 
transferred out. In other words, it was against regulations to shoot 
prisoners for the hell of it, and Grese was exposed as a sadist. We are
not told what if any punishment Grese received although I seem to recall
that she was placed under house arrest on at least one occasion.
> 
> "Revisionists". What a bunch of low-life Nazi liars.

Read my mailing on ID cards before you call me a Nazi Dan; remember, it's
Organised Jewry who want them, not Honest Libertarian Al.

-- 
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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct  8 22:50:49 PDT 1996
Article: 72766 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> I am asking our "revisionist scholars" yet again: if there was
> nothing criminal taking place in the Birkenau crematoriums, why
> didn't the SS take the Red Cross visitors into them?

More to the point Dan, why were people allowed to work OUTSIDE the camp
if it was so obviously an extermination camp? Why were some even allowed
to visit the village with an escort?

-- 
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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct  8 22:50:49 PDT 1996
Article: 72772 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: 40 Questions about the holocaust hoax
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

> Dan Cook  (presumably the Huber creature, 
> who proceeds to quote this whole pack of lies with an "attaboy"
> under his distaff persona "Beth") writes, or rather pastes from some
> more literate source, in small part:
> 
> >        In 1950 Anne Frank's father sued author Meyer Levin, the actual
> >writer of the diary, over royalties from the book.

Do your homework before you spout off like this; "Revisionists" like you we
don't need.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 13:40:24 PDT 1996
Article: 73363 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article <325D2C38.8B1@ccnis.net>
           miasaura@ccnis.net "Annie Alpert, OFB" writes:

> > 
> > >>          _The American Hebrew_, October 31, 1919, page 582:
> > 
> > >What is this? Book, magazine, paper.
> > >Would like to have photocopy of entire article or speech.
> > 
> >         As I am regularly advised, go to a library.
> 
> Are you telling us YOU went into a library in Florida and found issues
> of the "American Hebrew" going back to 1919?  Then you read each and
> every issue until you found one with the phrase "six million", and made
> a note of it for future reference?

It wasn't Matt Giwer, somebody dug this out for the Barnes Review. 
I don't think anyone asked a similar question when Lucien Wolf pointed out
the similarity of the Protocols to the works of Hermann Goedsche, etc
-- 
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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 13 08:50:58 PDT 1996
Article: 73747 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:
> 
> # This is just a minor point: Muench came in Birkenau only in
> # september 1943, so even if Keren's explanation would make
> # sense, let say for someone who's drunk, there's few chances
> # that krema 4 was active during Muench presence in Auschwitz.
> 
> I take it that this is the new "revisionist breakthrough"?
> That everyone who was in the camps was drunk, that's why
> they're all "lying"?

The testimony of Muench is covered by Staeglich, who is not impressed with
it.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 13 10:32:31 PDT 1996
Article: 98795 of alt.conspiracy
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Zionism and Fascism (was: Zionism and the Bolshevik Revolution
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In article  msb@netcom.com "Mark S. Bilk" writes:

> 
> Recognizing these facts does *not* constitute antisemitism.

But daring to utter them in a public forum does. Welcome, you can now join
Arafat's whore (Vanessa Redgrave); sundry Nazis (Butz, etc), self-hating 
Jews (Burg & Cole) and anyone else who refuses to kiss the arse of Imperial
Zion.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 13 10:32:33 PDT 1996
Article: 98797 of alt.conspiracy
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Defenders of Demjanjuk: Can you provide documentation? (was Re: Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL)'s Spy Suit Settled
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In article 
           dspiegel@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu "Dan Spiegel" writes:

> >Reports indicate that the groups had filed a federal civil suit when it was 
> >uncovered that the ADL had been spying in an illegal undercover operation 
> >against a wide variety of organizations and thousands of U.S. citizens. This 
> >was revealed as a result of a joint FBI-San Francisco Police Department 
> >inquiry, where evidence revealed that the ADL operatives had stolen classified > >police and other government files for its own purposes.
> 
> And, this proves what with respect to Demjanjuk?
>  
> >Reports show that the " ADL continues to deny that it did anything improper or
> >illegal and the plaintiffs permitted the ADL to take this stance as part of the> >settlement. However, the ADL did agree to pay $175,000 toward the plaintiff's 
> >legal fees. The spy agency also agreed to establish a $25,000 fund to 
> >'facilitate improved relations between and among Arab American, Jewish, African> >American and other minority communities in the United States.' "
> >
> >Another civil lawsuit against the ADL, filed on behalf of other plaintiffs by 
> >former U.S. Rep. Pete McCloskey (R-Calif.), is still in the courts.

Perhaps you should forward this to that pillar of respectability Yale 
Edeiken. He's a great fan of the ADL.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 13 11:34:10 PDT 1996
Article: 73847 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: JEW ADMIRES ZUNDELS COURAGE
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Plenty of physical evidence, including documents, 

Hoess's order to Kramer which was never produced?

>photographs,

of the gas chamber in action which Reitlinger says exists and which
you are sure exists but likewise can't produce.


> large amounts of human remains

including at Belsen - look at what those wicked Nazis did? Ban the BNP!

> and some of the gas chambers.

like the delousing chamber at Dachau and the one Pressac mentions at
Maidanek which was "hardly used at all, in other words was never used".


-- 
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the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 13 11:34:11 PDT 1996
Article: 73866 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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In article <53qbod$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com> rblackmore@juno.com  writes:

> Ah, Danny thinks he has cleverly tricked me into
> admitting that Kramer admits of gassings at
> Brikenau and Natzweiler.  However, what I wrote
> was that I believed that he told the truth in regard
> to BELSEN, AND his statements were PROVED BY
>  OTHER EVIDENCE.
> 
> Now, addressing the gas chamber issue, the "other
> evidence" is lacking, unless Danny wants to admit
> that Kramer was tortured by the British...which he
> was, by the way.  Better luck next time, Danny.

I have found no evidence that Kramer was "tortured" by the British, although
he was ill-treated. I have seen his original statement and it is written in
English. I think this is far more significant than any abuse. Later he made
a second statement in which he made "admissions"; this sounds a bit like an
attempt to plea bargain.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 13 19:20:47 PDT 1996
Article: 73988 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
> 
> # Ooh goody!  I can't wait.  More debunking of that filthy
> # piece of lying, Jewish excrement known as the "Holocaust."
> # I can't wait until 1997.  Fun, fun!
> 
> Someone willing to help this person? He seems to be in
> serious trouble. 

I think you'd better have a word with his paymaster at ADL HQ.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 08:45:38 PDT 1996
Article: 74001 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

> A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
> 
> >Judaism is a perfectly innocuous if totally banal religion. 
> 
> Actually, if you read the Jewish Scriptures, there are portions which
> are anything but innocuous. But Jews have been just as inventive, if 
> not more so, as Christians in interpreting their scriptures so that 
> they fit in with current commonly accepted moral values.

I don't think you can look at the drivel that  was written 2,000 years and
more ago and judge a people by it, Jews or anyone.
> 
> >                                                              Zionism is
> >a fascistic Master Race philosophy behind which certain political gangsters
> >who call themselves Jews, hide in order to ride roughshod over the rest of
> >mankind.
> 
> Also untrue. Zionism is simply the belief that there should exist a
> specific territorial nation for Jews. 

Palestine. And that anyone poor Arab who takes objection to this should be
done to death. Including children.

>>Teodor Herzl, the founder of 
> modern Zionism, wanted Jews to demonstrate that they could live 
> independently. 

Herzl was a crank; he meant well but he was a crank and was even regarded
as such at the time.
 
> >The Soviet Union has never persecuted Jews for being Jewish, 
> 
> I can't believe you are that ignorant, Al. Have you ever looked at
> Arkady Vaksberg's STALIN AGAINST THE JEWS, for instance? Soviet 
> citizens of Hebrew nationality certainly did suffer discrimination.
> OTOH, they did have the enormous advantage over other Soviet citizens
> that there was one other country on the planet which was willing to
> accept them unconditionally should they be able to leave the Soviet
> Union. Thanks to Zionism.

Who else was permitted to leave the Soviet Union? Jews were persecuted along 
with everyone else, but as always they screamed far louder than anyone else.
Many "racial" Jews took part in the repression, the terror and the secret 
police, and, like all tyrants, were killed in their turn.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 18:09:58 PDT 1996
Article: 74204 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> You think it's funny? What's funny about tens-of-thousand
> of corpses in a mass grave?


I don't think it's funny at all Dan, what I do think is sick is the way
human suffering - real and imagined - is exploited by political gerrymanderers
to further a political agenda.
> 
> # and some of the gas chambers.
> 
> # like the delousing chamber at Dachau

What I'm looking for here Dan is you having the balls to admit that the Americans,
the Board of Deputies of British Jews, Suzman and Diamond and others lied,
ie that they have persistently misrepresented a delousing chamber as a gas
chamber. Be a man Dan, admit it. They lied.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 21:32:48 PDT 1996
Article: 74262 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: A typical false eyewitness: Filip Muller, the plagiarist
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In article <32637125.9912733@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Jean-Francois Beaulieu  wrote:
> 
> >Excerp from 'Did Six Million Really Die?, testimony of Raul Hilberg:
> 
> > Christie turned next to the eyewitness account of Filip Mller [...]
> 
> Evidently the jury was a lot less impressed by Christie's effort to
> entrap Hilberg into making an untenable statement than Mr. Beaulieu.
> Ernst Zuendel was, after all, convicted by *two* juries of spreading
> false news.

Tell the whole truth, John, he appealed all the way to the Supreme Court
and the verdict was overturned by a 4-3 ruling.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 22:46:56 PDT 1996
Article: 74273 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: AN(ne) F(r)A(n)KE
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:
> 
> [To Jeffrey  ]
> 
> # Don't be coy.  Speak plainly.  Are you still trying to
> # insinuate that the diary was forged?  Perhaps you should
> # talk to Al Baron about that.
> #
> # Are you picking on little dead girls after all?
> 
> Probably, that's how "Jeffrey" gets his kicks. Odd fellow.

As the dashing, truth seeking, undogmatic Baron has pointed out in his
critique of pseudo-Revisionism, the Anne Frank Diary is not relevant to the
Holocaust story and the perfectly reasonable (though erroneous) claims that 
it is a fake generate hysteria out of all proportion to similar claims
regarding "Anne Frank of Sarajevo".

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 22:58:02 PDT 1996
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article <19961013210155595606@chadales.demon.co.uk>
           david@chadales.demon.co.uk "Dave Howard" writes:
> So blacks are more violent?
> Was Hitler black?
> Was Hiroshima bombed by blacks?
> Or Dresden?
> Were the 140,000 civillians killed by American bombing raids victims of
> blacks?
> 
> Were the Nazis black?
> For the answer just look at your own skin.
> 
> > too little intelligence and too much testosterone.

It really is an irony that the more highly advanced a civilisation the greater
its destructive potential; mattoids rather than morons will be the end of 
mankind. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 15 07:58:40 PDT 1996
Article: 74446 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Every time I read the claims of strong ideological links between
> Judaism or Zionism and Soviet communism, I fail to understand one
> thing.

Judaism is a perfectly innocuous if totally banal religion. Zionism is
a fascistic Master Race philosophy behind which certain political gangsters
who call themselves Jews, hide in order to ride roughshod over the rest of
mankind.
> 
> If such a strong link existed, how can one explain that communist
> USSR, for many years, supplied numerous amounts of weapons, as well
> as military training, to Arab countries and organizations which
> fought many bitter wars with Israel, and vowed - again and
> again - to erase it from the face of the earth?
> 
> If such a strong link existed, how can one explain that communist
> USSR, for years, ruthlessly persecuted Jews and Zionists?

The Soviet Union has never persecuted Jews for being Jewish, it has persecuted
organised religion, including the Jewish religion, and Zionism, because it
regarded it as an alien philosophy. Communism has nothing to recommend it.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 15 10:56:36 PDT 1996
Article: 74501 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Rosa Lopez vs Ada Bimko
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

> rblackmore@juno.com writes:
> 
> >Q:      In what language were you questioned?
> 
> >A:      German.
> 
> Was German Bimko's native language? If not, I can easily see how
> errors of gender may have crept in. Also, was the lawyer reading
> from the original German?

Bimko's affidavit was made up out of the whole cloth, like most of the
others. I have a copy of it - actually she made several - and it is
every bit as credible as one sworn by Uri Geller. She gave evidence at
the Belsen trial but was too ill to give it at the Tesch trial so her
affidavit was simply read out.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 08:41:43 PDT 1996
Article: 74844 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Zionism and Fascism (was: Zionism and the Bolshevik Revolution
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
> 
> # Arafat's whore (Vanessa Redgrave); sundry Nazis (Butz, etc),
> # self-hating Jews (Burg & Cole)
> 
> Burg (or Berg, or Ginzburg, the name keeps changing) was
> obviously insane and/or mentally retarded, as looking at
> his "testimony" from the Zundel trial proves.

As I said Dan, J.G. Burg (alias Ginsberg - Jews often change their names) was
an idealist, as is Cole. The "mentally retarded" Burg published 3 books,
and he spoke at least three languages.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 20:14:23 PDT 1996
Article: 74973 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Blackmore Lies Again
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In article <5403go$af9@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>   
> >  Here is a direct quote from the Polish Commission:
>   
> >  "As is well known, the Soviet Legal and Medicinal
> >  Commission, which arrived at Auschwitz immediately
> >  after the flight of the Germans, has stated that the
> >  number of the murdered EXCEEDED 4,000,000. (Caps mine)
> 
>         No mention of 4,000,000 "Jews."
> 
>   
> >  These calculations are in conformity with the data obtained
> >  during the inquiry from a competent (!-rb) witness, a railway
> >  employee from Oswiecim station.  This man, Fr. Stanek,
> >  stated that in the three years 1942-1944, 3,850,000 
> >  prisoners were brought to Oswiecim by rail.  Five millions
> >  would be nearer the mark counting those brought by car."
> >  Page 90.
>   
> >  end of quote.
> 
> 
>         No mention of "Jews."  

Isn't this the book that reports a "giant Jew" was given free reign in
Treblinka to bash people's heads in?

Tee hee.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 20:14:24 PDT 1996
Article: 74975 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: First step to the United States ban on Holocaust denial
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In article <3262bc6b.11151257@news.demon.co.uk>
           redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk "Fergus McClelland" writes:
> A few days ago a football player did a Nazi salute, in jest, as a
> response  to a member of the crowd at a match who had shouted
> something at him. He was immediately "booked" and warned by the
> referee, and at the end of the match was escorted from the pitch by
> police officers who "questioned him".

This is too stupid for words; I've heard of people doing this to traffic
wardens.

> A few years ago, a film was made which depicted Jesus as a homosexual.
> Despite an outcry from Christians, the Blasphemy Law, which DOES exist
> here, was NOT invoked, and the film was widely shown.

Fuck the blasphemy law too; us Libertarians have to be consistent.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 20:14:25 PDT 1996
Article: 74984 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: A typical false eyewitness: Filip Muller, the plagiarist
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In article <327152c0.13965485@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> >Tell the whole truth, John, he appealed all the way to the Supreme Court
> >and the verdict was overturned by a 4-3 ruling.
> 
> Tell the *whole* truth, Al. The Supreme Court of Canada did not rule
> on the truth or falsity of Zuendel's statements nor on the validity of
> his conviction. The Court ruled solely, and rightly in my opinion, on
> the constitutionality of the law under which Zuendel was charged.


In other words, Zundel was dragged into court by political (and racial)
gerrymanderers and the court decided that he has a right to express his
opinion, even if it is wrong. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 20:14:25 PDT 1996
Article: 74987 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES
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In article <326534fc.6344068@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> But if, as you have previously argued, the Jews control everything,
> including the government of Canada, aren't Revenue Canada employees
> ultimately beholden to the Jews for their salaries? Why, then, would
> the Jews allow Revenue Canada to remove the charitable status of
> Jewish charities contributing to the expansion of settlements in the
> occupied territories of Palestine?
> 

The problem is not that "anti-Semites" believe the Jews control the world;
the problem is that Organised Jewry believe they do. Often with good reason.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 23:10:30 PDT 1996
Article: 74973 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Blackmore Lies Again
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In article <5403go$af9@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>   
> >  Here is a direct quote from the Polish Commission:
>   
> >  "As is well known, the Soviet Legal and Medicinal
> >  Commission, which arrived at Auschwitz immediately
> >  after the flight of the Germans, has stated that the
> >  number of the murdered EXCEEDED 4,000,000. (Caps mine)
> 
>         No mention of 4,000,000 "Jews."
> 
>   
> >  These calculations are in conformity with the data obtained
> >  during the inquiry from a competent (!-rb) witness, a railway
> >  employee from Oswiecim station.  This man, Fr. Stanek,
> >  stated that in the three years 1942-1944, 3,850,000 
> >  prisoners were brought to Oswiecim by rail.  Five millions
> >  would be nearer the mark counting those brought by car."
> >  Page 90.
>   
> >  end of quote.
> 
> 
>         No mention of "Jews."  

Isn't this the book that reports a "giant Jew" was given free reign in
Treblinka to bash people's heads in?

Tee hee.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 23:10:31 PDT 1996
Article: 74975 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: First step to the United States ban on Holocaust denial
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In article <3262bc6b.11151257@news.demon.co.uk>
           redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk "Fergus McClelland" writes:
> A few days ago a football player did a Nazi salute, in jest, as a
> response  to a member of the crowd at a match who had shouted
> something at him. He was immediately "booked" and warned by the
> referee, and at the end of the match was escorted from the pitch by
> police officers who "questioned him".

This is too stupid for words; I've heard of people doing this to traffic
wardens.

> A few years ago, a film was made which depicted Jesus as a homosexual.
> Despite an outcry from Christians, the Blasphemy Law, which DOES exist
> here, was NOT invoked, and the film was widely shown.

Fuck the blasphemy law too; us Libertarians have to be consistent.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 23:10:31 PDT 1996
Article: 74984 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: A typical false eyewitness: Filip Muller, the plagiarist
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In article <327152c0.13965485@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> >Tell the whole truth, John, he appealed all the way to the Supreme Court
> >and the verdict was overturned by a 4-3 ruling.
> 
> Tell the *whole* truth, Al. The Supreme Court of Canada did not rule
> on the truth or falsity of Zuendel's statements nor on the validity of
> his conviction. The Court ruled solely, and rightly in my opinion, on
> the constitutionality of the law under which Zuendel was charged.


In other words, Zundel was dragged into court by political (and racial)
gerrymanderers and the court decided that he has a right to express his
opinion, even if it is wrong. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 23:10:32 PDT 1996
Article: 74987 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES
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In article <326534fc.6344068@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> But if, as you have previously argued, the Jews control everything,
> including the government of Canada, aren't Revenue Canada employees
> ultimately beholden to the Jews for their salaries? Why, then, would
> the Jews allow Revenue Canada to remove the charitable status of
> Jewish charities contributing to the expansion of settlements in the
> occupied territories of Palestine?
> 

The problem is not that "anti-Semites" believe the Jews control the world;
the problem is that Organised Jewry believe they do. Often with good reason.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 17 07:25:53 PDT 1996
Article: 75067 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Zionism and Fascism (was: Zionism and the Bolshevik Revolution
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> He was a poor crazy bastard, Al. Look at his testimony in
> the Zundel trial. He was never in the camps during the war,
> yet he claimed to know exactly what happened in them. 

Sounds a bit like you, Dan.

> 
> Cole's a poor little clown who doesn't have enough of a brain
> to graduate from highschool (in the US mind you!). My conjecture
> is that he's looking for publicity.

Cole has this in common with me; we neither of us graduated and we're both
too "stupid" to see the Emperor's clothes.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 17 16:00:52 PDT 1996
Article: 75205 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: JEW ADMIRES ZUNDELS COURAGE
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> 2) It may be that someone confused the delousing chamber as a
>    homicidal gas chamber. But why would one *intentionally*
>    do that, while there's a real homicidal gas chamber nearby?

How about because there was no homicidal gas chamber?

And why would the Board of Deputies make this "mistake" in 1963 and the
South African Deputies make this "mistake" in 1978. Because the goyim like
me who take them to task for their damned lies can be smeared as anti-Semitic,
that's why.

> 
> 3) You posted a whole piece of testimony alleged given by Franz
>    Hoessler, of which he didn't say a word. You explained this
>    as a mistake. Why is it that when you do it it's a mistake,
>    when someone else does it (if they did) it's a "lie"?

Lies, lies, lies, Dan. What I did was miss the point of his quote and for 
the Nth time, my error did not support the Revisionist position, but yours.
And you were so keen to scream liar that you didn't stop to think.

> 
> # Be a man Dan, admit it. They lied.
> 
> There is no evidence and, moreover, no logical reason to
> assume they lied. Again, think a little. Why would someone
> intentionally claim the delousing chamber was a homicidal
> gas chamber, when there's a homicidal gas chamber nearby?

Again, because there was no gas chamber. Read that passage in Volume XXX of the
Nuremberg documents Dan and ask yourself where it came from? Answer: it was 
made up out of the whole cloth, probably written by some American 7th Army
copywriter, the same way the Belsen Trial affidavits were made up by the 
British.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 00:15:29 PDT 1996
Article: 75213 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: A FRIENDLY ADDRESS TO ALL AMERICANS
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In article <541jki$hqp@is05.micron.net> kurtstel@micron.net "Kurt Stele" writes:
> >Mr. Straw described the prospective legislation as a "much-needed 
> >measure" in a conference discussion with Ivan Lewis, the Labour 
> >candidate for Bury South. 

Jack Straw is a self-styled Jew.
> 
> >Labour's intended law would reverse the Tory government's policy. Home
> 
> >Secretary Michael Howard has repeatedly turned down calls to introduce

Howard is a Jew, he is also detested and despised by Organised Jewry because
he has the quaint notion that Britain comes first. His only faux pax has been
his suggestion on ID cards.

> >In his address, Mr Blair said the Jewish community's principles were 
> >"precisely those things for which Labour stands today... The renewal 
> >of our ties with the communties is one of the best things that has 
> >happened to us."

Blair is a creep, but with the single exception of Howard's stand against
the slime at Woburn House the Tories have fucked this country and I don't 
think a Labour Government would be that bad. Heck, I may even become a martyr!

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 00:15:29 PDT 1996
Article: 75214 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Holocaust Deniers: Do You Believe the Plague?
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In article 
           kate@accessone.com "Kathleen Mulhern" writes:

>What makes the plague more
> believeable than the Holocaust?

If I said I didn't believe in the Plague, would you jump up and down,
punch me in the face (Cole), throw acid in my face (Faurisson), murder me
(Duprat), firebomb me (IHR), libel me (all of us), ban my books (Butz & Harwood)?
No, I thought not.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 12:36:35 PDT 1996
Article: 75441 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES
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In article 
           acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
           "
> On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Luc Richard wrote:
> The one JEW, BRONFMAN illegally moved more money out of Canada and Quebec,
> without paying his taxes, than anyone else in the history of Canada!!!

Taxation is theft; he's one Jew who has my vote, whatever his views on the
"Holocaust".

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 12:36:35 PDT 1996
Article: 75474 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Jew "Moshe" Defends Torture of Palestinians as "Necessary"
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
> # jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:
> 
> ## Try to pay attention. Matt Giwer is playing a new trolling
> ## game by pretending to be a Jew posting from idirect.com.
> 
> # Where is your proof of this, oh omnipotent one?


This one is genuine, chickabidees.


Rabin wins support for torture, by Ohad Gozani in Tel Aviv, 
published in the Daily Telegraph, August 25, 1995, page 12.

THE Israeli opposition lent support yesterday to Yitzhak Rabin, 
the Prime Minister, in a row over authorisation to torture sus-
pected terrorists during interrogation. 

The debate flared again after allegations that the bombing of a 
bus in Jerusalem on Monday could have been averted had harsher 
interrogation methods been used against one suspect, who was 
already in custody. 

Five people were killed, including the Palestinian bomber, and 
more than 130 injured in the blast. 

"The Shin Bet [internal security service] must be given a free 
hand in its war against terror," - said Benjamin Netanyahu, head 
of the Right-wing opposition Likud party. Since the wave of 
suicide bombings by Islamic militants began last April, Shin Bet 
has been allowed to resort to methods other than "moderate physi-
cal pressure" to thwart attacks. 

But the authorisation must be extended periodically. Mr Rabin is 
understood to back Shin Bet's demands for a free hand during 
interrogation, something which is opposed by two dovish ministers 
and the government's chief legal adviser. 

The issue is under discussion by a committe [sic]. 

The Shin Bet chief told reporters that the suspected planner of 
the Jerusalem attack was captured two days before the blast. 

He said the man revealed the plan when interrogators were allowed 
to resort to aggressive methods. The suspect also admitted plan-
ning a bus bombing in Tel Aviv on July 24 that killed six people 
and injured 31.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 14:36:00 PDT 1996
Article: 75495 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article <543n9q$f0l@is05.micron.net> kurtstel@micron.net "Kurt Stele" writes:

> The Jewish Secretary Robin Cook just said England is going to criminalize
>  Holocaust
> denial.    

Robin Cook is not a Jew.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 14:36:01 PDT 1996
Article: 75499 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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In article <543qkg$8va@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> 
> 
> The criminal Giwer posted the following forgery:
> 
> 
> >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>   
> >       Us real Jews are the Chosen People.  Bow down, Goy.
> 
>         This has, of course, been reported to abuse@worldnet.att.net.  In the 
> meantime the number of "revisionists" who have publically commented 
> on the criminal Giwer's activities is:
> 
>         one; T. Moran.  He likes them.
> 
>         --YFE

Two actually; I told Dan that I don't take Giwer's threats seriously but
if he has threatened him with intent or done something else that is
blatantly illegal then he should be reported. 

I'm not quite sure what he has done; I've had some correspondence with Mike
Stein about forged postings; if this is so then surely this is a tort rather
than a crime, or something that should be reported to his Internet provider.

Again, if this is the case I would say to Mr Giwer, don't stoop to their level.
Any worthy cause can be polluted by people who believe the end justifies the 
means. And this sort of mischief-making doesn't reflect well on anyone.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Oct 19 10:43:21 PDT 1996
Article: 75542 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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In article <32673ad7.7843486@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> The copyright date on my copy of Cole's mendacious video is 1992. The
> introduction at the beginning of the tape indicates that Cole went to
> Auschwitz in September of 1992.

Mendacious? The guide told him the "gas chamber" was in its original state,
Piper told him it had been "reconstructed". Cole exposed the lie. Someone
was mendacious here, but it sure wasn't Cole.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Oct 19 10:43:22 PDT 1996
Article: 75543 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Dealing with Holocaust Denial
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In article <3263e244.21432368@nntp.netcruiser>
           syegul@ix.netcom.com "Serdar Yegulalp" writes:

> On 15 Oct 1996 18:30:37 +0100, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:
> 
> >       The danger with locking-up Holocaust-deniers is that it would create
> >a martyr, something various movements, not neccessarily fascist, have realised.> >
> >       It's much better to reveal the holes in the denier's argument, as well
> >as reveal the roots of the denier movement.

Like in the Observer on October 6?


                                           93c Venner Road,
                                           Sydenham,
                                           London SE26 5HU.
                                           0181 659 7713.



October 14, 1996

Dear Melanie Phillips,

Your recent article which claims that Holocaust "Denial" should 
be binned rather than banned is proof positive that the need for 
Holocaust Revisionism has never been stronger. You assert therein 
that it is a "vile" claim that Anne Frank died of typhus and that 
Zyklon B gas was merely a pesticide. If you had done the most 
cursory research on the Holocaust you wouldn't spout such drivel. 
Surely every schoolgirl knows that Anne Frank died of typhus. 

Anne Frank was deported to Auschwitz along with the rest of her 
family. They were separated; she was transferred to Belsen in 
December 1944 and died of typhus in March 1945, a month before 
the liberation of the camp. It is not alleged by responsible 
academics that there were any gas chambers in Belsen, although 
the emotive photographs of the victims of the typhus epidemic and 
mass starvation which were, and still are, circulated to this 
day, constitute the main "proof" in the public mind that the 
Nazis "gassed" Jews.

As for the claim that Zyklon B was "merely a pesticide"; this gas 
was used by the German military as early as 1924, nine years 
before Hitler came to power. It was also used by the Finnish 
Army, for the "gassing" of ships. The latest "acceptable" claim 
is that of Jean-Claude Pressac who tells us that 97-8% of Zyklon 
was used for $disinfestation purposes$, the rest for gassing. To 
quote from his book: "This extremely surprising distribution 
totally invalidates the interpretation and presentation of those 
$authorizations$ by the traditional historians, who claim that the 
word $disinfection$ was used to $camouflage$ homicidal gassings..."

I have no doubt that the $Observer$ will not publish any sort of 
retraction or correction to your article, but at least someone 
has now attempted to set the record straight.


Yours sincerely,
A Baron

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Article: 75544 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Any answers here? Any "revisionist" know of other "work camps"
> with five huge creatoriums?

Auschwitz was a complex of forty-five camps; the crematoria were used for
the surrounding area as well. Somebody posted a while back that many cities
have mortuary and similar facilities far more extensive than they need.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Oct 19 10:43:24 PDT 1996
Article: 75545 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Happy "Columbus Was a Jew" Day
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In article 
           konradv@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu "Konrad Vandegaer" writes:

> 
> 
> > >The story is that Columbus' parents (or was it grandparents?) were
> > >forcibly converted from Judasim to Catholicism during the Spanish
> > >Inquisition.  
> 
> 
>   Strange considering that Columbus was ITALIAN.  Of course jews being
>   as smart as they are would know this.  Thus, it becomes apparent, the
>   story must have been concocted by a revisionist and falsely attributed
>   to the jews.  Will they ever learn that this type of thing won't work?
>   Sad to say, I don't think so. If they could learn from their flubs then
>   they'd be smart enough to know that revisionism is garbage.  Thus it 
>   goes "ad infinitum" and the rest of us must remain ever vigilant that
>   their line doesn't become accepted fact.
>

In 1992 it was claimed in the Jewish Chronicle that Columbus was a Jew.
I suppose that's another thing to hate them for: discovering America. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Article: 75659 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: The Dachau gas chamber
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In article <5408ec$2j5@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           nizkor@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Nizkor Canada" writes:

> Archive/File: camps/dachau/dachau.005
> Last-Modified: 1995/06/02
> 
> The following is from a book purchased from the memorial on the site
> of the Dachau camp in December 1993.
> 
>    "In 1940, as the death rate continued to increase, a camp cremation
>    with one incinerator was built.  In the course of the mass
>    extermination plan, a bigger plant with a gas chamber and four
>    incinerators -- the so-called "Baracke X" -- was quickly erected in
>    1942.  The gas chamber, which was camoflaged as a shower room, was
>    never put into use.  Thousands of prisoners, who were selected for
>    extermination, were sent to other camps or to Hartheim Castle near
>    Linz to be gassed." (Distel et al., 173)

In other words, they built a "gas chamber" and either never bothered to
use it, for three whole years, or the inmates were so fiendishly clever 
that they managed to delay its use in perpetuity. Was this Dachau or 
Stalag 13?

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Oct 19 12:16:04 PDT 1996
Article: 75692 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Holocaust Deniers: Do You Believe the Plague?
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
> 
> # If I said I didn't believe in the Plague, would you jump
> # up and down, punch me in the face (Cole), 
> 
> First - note that you totally failed to respond to the
> original article. But let's go on.

Please note that I have replied to this more than adequately in private mail.

-- 
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the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Oct 19 16:35:47 PDT 1996
Article: 75739 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Allied atrocities--stainless Stele forgery?
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In article 
           karlpov@access1.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
> 
> I suddenly wonder whether this whole thing is an unusually clumsy 
> forgery. Anyone on the other side of the pond have access to this 
> SUNDAY PICTORIAL also cited?

I have published part of it in my book HOLOCAUST DENIAL: NEW NAZI LIE or
NEW INQUISITION? I can supply the actual document if anyone sends me a couple
of dollars for postage.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 20 09:43:24 PDT 1996
Article: 75817 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Jews Gloat to Henry Ford: "We Control WWI"
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In article <541p6h$737@is05.micron.net> kurtstel@micron.net "Kurt Stele" writes:

> In an interview with a New York Times reporter on Christmas, 1921, the
> great industrialist and patriot Henry Ford stated as follows:
> 
> "It was the Jews themselves who convinced me of the direct
> relationship between the international Jew and war. In fact, they went
> out of their way to convince me. On the peace ship were two very
> prominent Jews. We had not been at sea 200 miles before they began
> telling me of the power of the Jewish race, of how they controlled the
> world through their control of gold, and that the Jew and no one but
> the Jew could end the war. I was reluctant to believe it but they went
> into detail to convince me of the means by which the Jews controlled
> the war, how they had the money, how they had cornered all the basic
> materials needed to fight the war and all that, and they talked so
> long and so well that they convinced me. They said, and they
> believed, that the Jews started the war, that they would continue it
> as long as they wished, and that until the Jew stopped the war it
> could not be stopped. I was so disgusted I would have liked to turn
> the ship back."

Tell the whole truth, one of these Jews was Herman Bernstein, who later
sued Ford for libel. Ironically, the Peace Ship was organised by a Jewess,
Madam Schwimmer. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 20 12:06:42 PDT 1996
Article: 75928 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: A typical false eyewitness: Filip Muller, the plagiarist
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In article 
           karlpov@access4.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

> Then you tell the whole truth as well. Did the Supreme Court's decision
> have anything to do with the credibility of Hilberg or any other witness,
> or wasn't it a judgement on the constitutionality of the law under which
> Zuendel was charged?

The latter I think, but I saw some surprisingly objective news reports of 
Hilberg and the other witnesses and their lack of credibility was obvious.
Hilberg didn't come along for the retrial, but he publish a second edition
of his book. I'm told there are significant alterations; I've looked at the
first edition and read the second and certainly it doesn't convince me
of anything.

I take it then that you agree that the likes of Zundel should not suffer
legal persecution? If that is the case how about publicly deploring the 
hate campaign against him by the assorted riff raff of the JDL?

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 20 12:06:44 PDT 1996
Article: 75929 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: A FRIENDLY ADDRESS TO ALL AMERICANS
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In article <326A11AC.446B@itsa.ucsf.edu>
           brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu "Brian Harmon" writes:
> > >Robin Cook is not a Jew.
> > 
> > I stand corrected.  -HOWARD- is the prominent Jew responsible for the
>  confiscation of
> > "undesirable" manuscripts in merry Orwellian England, where Jews have
>  outlawed "hate."
> > You are right.

Actually, Howard has been a staunch opponent of these Kosher fascists; I dread
the day he is no longer Home Secretary.


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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 09:22:55 PDT 1996
Article: 76162 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: A typical false eyewitness: Filip Muller, the plagiarist
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> Well, Al, its not really an issue of "accepting" that others may have
> opposite opinions. It is an issue that those "opinions" are simply Nazi
> apologia and even  lies. All of which is indeed scumbag behavior.  
> 
> Case in point, Al: I can "accept" that you may have "opposite opinions"
> than me, for instance. However, it still does not change the fact that you
> are a proven liar and anti-Semite.
>

If you'd read my book FREEDOM UNDER SOCIALISM? you wouldn't call me a Nazi.
Maybe. Your other claims are not worth replying to.



-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 10:59:52 PDT 1996
Article: 76186 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Allied atrocities--stainless Stele forgery?
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In article 
           karlpov@access4.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

> A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
> 
> >I've never heard of this article and am not particularly bothered. Did you
> >hear the one about the Auschwitz inmate who was allowed to ice skate on a 
> >lake ten miles away unsupervised? I thought not.
> 
> Feel free to educate us all. I guess you just don't want to tell us
> why you think someone's memories of an after-dinner Rotary Club
> speech are adequate documentation to accuse the U.S. armed forces of
> crushing the testicles of 137 helpless German murderers of U.S. 
> prisoners of war.
> 
Actually, I wasn't joking about  the ice skater; I have the documentation on
it. It's extraordinary.

-- 
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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 09:36:59 PDT 1996
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Allied atrocities--stainless Stele forgery?
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In article 
           karlpov@access4.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

> A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
> OK, Al, I'll trust you on this.

You don't have to trust me, you can send me a remittance and I'll send it you.

 I would like to track down the piece
> in the WASHINGTON DAILY NEWS, though. The Jan. 9, 1949 date is obviously
> wrong.

I've never heard of this article and am not particularly bothered. Did you
hear the one about the Auschwitz inmate who was allowed to ice skate on a 
lake ten miles away unsupervised? I thought not.

-- 
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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 19:04:55 PDT 1996
Article: 76398 of alt.revisionism
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In article <54e90o$27t@thoth.nilenet.com> tmw@nilenet.com "tmw" writes:

> Newly updated on the GOAL Resource LIbrary Home Page:
>    http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/
> 
> Jewish Ritual Murder by Arnold Leese

Arnold Spencer Leese 1878-1956, the world's leading authority on diseases
of the one-humped camel. I'm compiling a bibliography of his works but it
won't be ready for a few years yet.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 19:04:56 PDT 1996
Article: 76399 of alt.revisionism
From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Subject: Re: Holocaust Deniers: Do You Believe the Plague?
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In article 
           kate@accessone.com "Kathleen Mulhern" writes:
> One more scenario.  Let's say, for argument's sake, that you threw a big
> party for everyone in your town and all of your family and friends. 
> Evereyone you love is at this party and you guys are having a lovely time
> of it.  Then, a group of armed thugs breaks down the door and begins to
> slaughter everyone you love: your sons and daughters, your wife, your
> parents, your friends... everyone.  You are left alive.  The thugs even
> video tape the massacre, take still photos of it and have written out
> their plan to kill everyone you care about before hand.  You go and get
> yourself a lawyer and  prosecute the band of thugs.  You and your
> attorneys get the video tape of the massacre, you get the photos, you get
> the plans and you have your own eyewitness testimony, as well as the
> testimony of the few others who were left alive.  You also even have the
> admissions of the thugs themselves.  Seems pretty irrefuttable, huh?  But,
> much to your suprise, the jury finds the thugs innocent, and they say the
> massacre never took place.  Even in the face of all this evidence.  Now,
> keep in mind, your entire family has been viciously slaughtered, and here
> are 12 people telling you they weren't.  Wouldn't YOU be a little pissed
> off, too?

This sounds like an attempt to justify violence. Leaving aside the flawed 
analogy - David Cole, Robert Faurisson, et al are not Nazis, and even if 
they were you are suggesting that one group of Nazis should be stamped on
for the sins of another; this is the same logic which condemns Jews for
deicide. 

In my experience, the REAL Jews don't get too hot under the collar about 
Revisionists; the people who do are political gerrymanderers; they have an
agenda, and shoving the 6 million down own throats helps them promote it.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 23 07:44:10 PDT 1996
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In article <326B89B6.6407@rio.com> chuckf@rio.com "Chuck Ferree" writes:

> 
> Oh sure you do, just like you claim to have documentation on all the
> other baloney you write about. You probably can't even document your own
> birth, pal.

Believe it or not Chuck, I wasn't joking. I have documentation from a 
highly reliable contemporary source that an Auschwitz inmate was allowed to
skate on a lake ten miles away unsupervised. NO JOKE.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



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In article <54e2ul$gen@grivel.une.edu.au>
           ibokor@metz.une.edu.au "
> You are incorrect.  Nysli was known to other physicians 
> at Auschwitz.   Further he gave a deposition in 1945.
> Who is this Nysli character? Where is his birth certificate?
> 
> Surely someone who considers the difference bewtween "mauve"
> and "blue" in a translated version of a book to be primary
> evidence of fraudulence can distinguish between the personage
> of one Dr Nyiszli and some Nysli character.


I would be interested in any information on this deposition Nyiszli gave,
like where can I find a citation, and what happened to him after the war.
He did exist (I've found proof) but this apparently so important witness
literally disappeared into thin air.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 25 09:00:35 PDT 1996
Article: 76754 of alt.revisionism
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Deniers: Do You Believe the Plague?
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In article 

> Uh huh. And do you also feel, Al, that the likes of Cole, Rassiner,
> Faurisson, Weber, Zundel, et. al. also have an agenda, part of which
> besides Nazi apologia and anti-Semitic propaganda, is to scam a few bucks
> from their historically illiterate, bigoted, and racist camp followers? 

Everybody has an agenda. I certainly hope no one ever accuses me of making 
money out of Holocaust Revisionism. By the way, isn't the Beate Klarsfeld
Foundation tax exempt, what about the ADL, the Wiesenthal Center and all the
other Holocaust Affirmers? Sauce for the goose?

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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Subject: Re: JEW ADMIRES ZUNDELS COURAGE
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In article <54j7lo$cba@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

> 
>     "DURING THE WAR, BURG LIVED IN A DISTRICT UNDER ROMANIAN CONTROL,
> WHICH WAS RESERVED FOR JEWS OF THE REGION." 
> 
>     That is from a _revisionist_ post quoting from a _revisionist_ book,
> Kurt. I knew about it even before I asked you the question.  I gave you
> the chance to be honest, and everyone can see how you blew it. 

So not all Jews were interned! At least we've clarified that point.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 25 09:00:37 PDT 1996
Article: 76756 of alt.revisionism
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> > I have never supported the nazi ideology. 
> 
> Yet you promulgate it.
> 
> >I have never advocated  dictatorship. 
> 
> Yet you enthusiastically endorse the same infringements of human rights.
> 
> > You certainly do not have to be a nazi just because 
> > you are a racialist. 
> 

He's got a point; in Britain, Organised Jewry have voted in favour of ID cards,
FOR suppression of free speech and other repressive legislation, and they
support an organisation called "Jewish Continuity" which promotes precisely
that concept. You certainly don't have to be a Goy to be both a Nazi and a
"racist".

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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In article <326e90bd.17752524@news.spry.com> klewis@awinc.com "Ken Lewis" writes:

> On Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:55:15 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:
> 
> >
> >Nope!  There existed certain SS officers who were executed SOLEY on the basis
>  of
> >mistreating Jewish inmates alone.  
> 
> Document one.


Jewish Chronicle, June 7, 1940, page 10 
The official Nazi wireless station in Brussels announced that 14 Belgian 
Nazis and 4 German soldiers were ordered to be executed for looting as a 
means of stopping uncontrolled anti-Jewish excesses. 
The paper's comment was "The Nazis are nothing if not methodical."

It appears that Mr Steele is in sync with Organised Jewry for once.



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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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Subject: Re: Is there a jewish political agenda?
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In article 
           rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca "Rajiv K. Gandhi" writes:

> In article <54ki9l$j5o@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > Actually it's more amusing to observe whenever Jews receive a billion
> less than they
> > wanted from the goyim's pocket they cry "anti-semitism!"
> 
> Of course you can provide an example of this canıt you ? Oh wait.... you
> canıt, because it isnıt true.

Actually, a while ago an Exterminationist posted a similar claim about an
Israeli politician he referred to as a notorious (anti-Arab) bigot who 
accused George Bush of anti-Semitism for cutting aid to Israel. Don't forget
they also cry anti-Semitism when people protest against Israeli torture of
prisoners, Sabra & Shatila and the like. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 25 09:00:39 PDT 1996
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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Subject: Re: Irving as a Historian
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In article <54ko13$j5o@is05.micron.net> kurtstel@micron.net "Kurt Stele" writes:

> 
> Actually, one he settled out of court though he was in the right, the other was
>  lost by a

If you settle out of court you lose. You only win if the case is dismissed.

> narrow margin on appeal, 4-3.

This reminds me of the football team that went down 4 goals to 3 and claimed
they didn't lose.

Check out my book on Irving.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



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In article <54lvn5$4gn@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:
>         In "The Nazi Doctors" Lifton cites the deposition as having been given 
>  on 28 July 1945 before the Budapest Commission for the Welfare of Deported 
> Hungarian Jews.  I presume that it is not in English although Lifton quoted
>  from it. 
>  Lifton teaches at the John Jay College i9n New York City.  You might consider 
> contacting him directly.
> 
>         --YFE

Hey, I've got something to thank Yale for! 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 25 17:52:54 PDT 1996
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article <326F7320.39AE@chbs.mhs.ciba.com>
           martin.green@chbs.mhs.ciba.com " Mart." writes:

> tom moran wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >       If it can't be proven, ban the question.
> > >       Storm the libraries. Storm the book stores.
> > >     Burn the books.
> > >
> > >       England: Oct. 1996
> > >
> > >LABOUR PLEDGE TO LEGISLATE AGAINST HOLOCAUST DENIAL
> > >
> > >A Labour government will act to make Holocaust denial a criminal
> > >offence, Opposition leaders pledged this week.
> > 
> 
> Ah Mr Blair and his chiefly despisable cronies are coming up with some 
> stupid ideas. It would be preferable if they would come up with some 
> effective propostions/amendments to combat semitic/racist attacks.

Another hoax. Racially motivated crime with a capital C hardly exists.
Anti-Semitic "attacks" consist primarily of a) children defacing Jewish 
cemeteries and b) people sending cartoons through the post.


-- 
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the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 25 17:52:56 PDT 1996
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> > He's got a point; in Britain, Organised Jewry have voted in favour of ID 
> > cards,FOR suppression of free speech and other repressive legislation, and 
> > they support an organisation called "Jewish Continuity" which promotes 
> > precisely that concept. 
> 
> Care to provide the documented evidence for this, Al? No? Imagine that.

I like these people, they insinuate that I'm lying (provide the documentation)
then when I do so they change the subject.

Last year the Jewish Chronicle reported that the Board of Deputies had
voted narrowly in favour of the government's green paper on ID cards. One
prominent Jew, Sir something or other, Sternberg, wrote to the press complaining 
that the idea is monstrous, but Organised Jewry want it. As for Jewish 
Continuity, the name is self-explanatory. Read the Jewish Chronicle sometime
and you'll see what I mean.

Organised Jewry in Britain and everywhere else are in the forefront of the
promotion of repressive laws. The chickens will one day come home to roost.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



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In article <32705B4D.FD1@sat.net> decade@sat.net "Allen Cochrum" writes:

> Hitler was part Jew from his Fathers side,but Hitler hated his father
> because He was a womanizer,a wife beater, and a stereotypical greedy
> Jew.
> Also Hitlers mother had to work for Jewish landowners who treated the
> Aryans of Germany like they were lower class than them,After Germany's
> surrender in WW I,The jews took over the economy of Germany.They horded
> what was left of the money and the food,but they lived luxurious while
> the Aryans had to work for scraps of food,And once Hitler came to power
> he wanted to give the Jews a taste of their own medicine.

Hell Alan, that's one great post. I'll make sure you get an extra 
ten shekels in your paypacket this week.

(A. Cohen - ADL counterespionage division)

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
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In article <326D5503.3F54@boxtop.com> samuel@boxtop.com "Fogbound Child" writes:
> And how, in your experience, do you differentiate between "the REAL" and
> "the unreal" Jews? 

The REAL JEWS are the men in black hats and kaftans. The others are persons of
Jewish origin or extraction who identify themselves as such and who think that
calling themselves Jews gives them a God-given right to ride roughshod
over the rest of mankind.

-- 
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> 
> 1) The death rate at the "work camps" was enormous long
>    before the end of the war:
> 
> Death rate in the "work camps", long before the end of the war
> (source: letter from Pohl to Himmler, "Trials Of War Criminals"
> (green) series, Vol. V, p. 379.

As I've said before Dan, this is what is known in legal parlance as a rolled
up plea. Yale will tell you all about that:

1) the Nazis gassed Jews
2) if they didn't gas them they starved them and/or worked them to death
3) if they didn't do either we are entitled to lie about them because Nazis
are the lowest form of life and it's permissible to say anything that shows
them in a bad light.

By the way Dan, you didn't tell me what you want stamped on your new 
micro-chipped ID card: a yellow triangle, a Magan David or a bagel. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
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In article <54qr26$6jg@lendl.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> That's interesting, Al.  Now that you've got your daily irrelevancy out
> of the way, would you like to document a case where an SS officer was
> executed for mistreating Jewish inmates?

No, Whitlock Porter has written some stuff about SS discipline; it's been
posted to the Web. I wouldn't have liked to be an SS man myself, and I 
don't think the sanctions imposed by the Israelis for shooting Palestinian
schoolkids were anything like as Draconian. Nor on American police officers
for shooting blacks from what I hear. 

These sort of statements are usually written off as Nazi apologia but from 
where I sit I find it frightening more than anything else that the Nazis
were not as bad as they are painted when one considers some of the crimes
"democracies" perpetrate.

> 
> It's entirely understandable that the Nazis would want to avoid the
> spectacle of German soldier charging through the streets, looting and
> pillaging; I very much doubt it had anything to do with concern for 
> the victims.
> 
> Bill
> 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article <32710E2E.5978@rio.com> chuckf@rio.com "Chuck Ferree" writes:

> Chuck Ferree writes:
> 
> Alex ain't no Salvation Army non-profit outfit. He sent me a complete 
> list (so he says of stuff he authored) about half was written by 
> others, so he lied about that too

Lied about what? I wrote most of it. I am also not so vain that I don't
publish other people.

> Everything had a price tag on it, 
> even propaganda brochures. 

Actually, I've sent that nice Mr Stein some freebies; arseholes always have
to pay.

> Dog paddeling, Al? You know you can't really swim in real water.

Actually, I can't swim!


>The truth just ain't your bag, so 
> why waste the money. Buy some better booze and stay home.

Sure Chuck, now tell me that one about the Dachau gas chamber again. Boy,
you are one sucker.

-- 
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article <54smd7$3d7@is05.micron.net> kurtstel@micron.net "Kurt Stele" writes:

> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:
> 
> >And they didn't conceal their names because of persecution; they were
> >FORCED TO CHANGE THEIR NAMES BY THE GOVERNMENTS IN THE COUNTRIES IN
> >WHICH THEY LIVED.
> 
> If persecution justifies Jews concealing their names then the same rule applies
>  to
> revisionists.  
> 
> Kurt Stele


Nice one Kurt!

-- 
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In article <01bbc2b0$3574cba0$2ef612c7@cannet.com.jrjohn>
           jrjohn@cannet.com "Fr. John W. Morris" writes:

> > she was a widow living on a small pension, WAS a Jew. Hitler sent him
> > Christmas cards when he lived in Vienna.
> >  
> Fr. John W. Morris responds:
> 
> That is correct. I have often wonder whether or not part of the reason for
> Hitler's anti-Semitism was the feeling that Dr. Block was to blame for the
> death of his mother.

Actually, Hitler was very fond of Dr Block. According to Sefton Delmer anyway.

-- 
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In article 
           kate@accessone.com "Kathleen Mulhern" writes:

> *Please note that I have replied to this more than adequately in private mail.
> 
> Private mail??  To whom??  I'm the originator of the article and have
> recieved no private mail from you concerning this.

Dan Keren.

-- 
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> 
> Wouldn't be for the lack of trying, now would it, Al? Or do you simply
> _give_ away your "pamphlets" now? 

Swimming against the tide, dear fellow.
> 
> > By the way, isn't the Beate Klarsfeld Foundation tax exempt, what about the 
> > ADL, the Wiesenthal Center and all the other Holocaust Affirmers? Sauce for 
> > the goose?
> 
> Can you say "non-profit," Al?

I could use a non-profit holiday in Poland researching Auschwitz, or a
non-profit all-expenses visit to LA to study at the Wiesenthal Center or
whatever. Nice work if you can get it.

-- 
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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Subject: Re: England to Enforce the Holocaust Lie
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In article <54t2g0$sda@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
>   
> >  Another hoax. Racially motivated crime with a capital C hardly exists.
> >  Anti-Semitic "attacks" consist primarily of a) children defacing Jewish 
> >  cemeteries and b) people sending cartoons through the post.
> 
>         That might be true in the U.K.  It is is certainly not true in the
>  United 
> States.  You, as a devoted reader of the ADL reports, must know that not only 
> are acts of violence common but they are increasing.
> 
>         --YFE

Check out Crying Wolf by Laird Wilcox; he documents numerous such incidents.
As to racially motivated violence, a lot of this is totally misclassified. If
you - as a Jewish lawyer - were to get into an altercation over a bill with
one of your less literate clients, for argument's sake somebody you defended
on a drunkenness charge, and he referred to you as a cheating kike, you might
take that as an anti-Semitic remark. In reality it would most probably be
a personal insult. If you weren't a Jew but a woman you'd find yourself on
the receiving end of a sexual slur, and so on. 

Re violence, the fact is that we live in a violent world; the sort of people 
who attack a stranger for no apparent reason - something that has happened to
me - may well use racial epithets and anything else to humiliate their victims.
They do this not because they are "racists" but because they are evil bastards,
etc.

As to the ADL, I wouldn't take anything they say at face value. A couple of
years ago it was claimed that there were 130,000 racial attacks in Britain a
year. An analysis of the figures and the way they were compiled proves that 
this claim has no basis in fact any more than the claim of 8,000 homosexual
rapes in London every year! Such figures are plucked out of thin air and
thrown around with gay abandon by irresponsible media and by people and
organisations with political agendas. I'm sure you know what is the ADL's
agenda.

-- 
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article <54q47p$ppt@juliana.sprynet.com> rblackmore@juno.com  writes:

> The tree has since been removed after the Auerbach scandal
> broke.  I believe he committed suicide, but am uncertain.

Yes he did, Reitlinger says so; I think it was reported in the Times too.
A case of sticky fingers, I believe.

-- 
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> rblackmore@juno.com whines:
> 
> # What you call a lie was simply human error due to the fact
> # that I was relying upon memory until I found the source with
> # the inscription.
> 
> So, when a Holocaust survivor errs by two weeks when
> giving the date of something that happened two years
> ago, our lame Nazi apologist "rblackmore" immediately
> decides that he/she is a liar, and starts calling them
> infantile names such as "Bimbo", etc.

Dan, Ada Bimko swore a number of affidavits, I have them all; they are
not credible. She was a doctor, remember, so was Bendel. One expects more
of doctors.
> 
> But when the scumbag, lying Nazi-apologist makes a mistake,
> it is, of course, only a "human error".
> 
> And the scumbag is, after all, in a much better position
> to get the facts right. He is not starved. He is not
> freezing. He is not at the mercy of armed brutes who
> consider him to be a "sub-human" and who are willing
> to bash his head in for the smallest - true or imaginary -
> "offense".

Hysteria Dan, in war the enemy is always dehumanised, and this has nothing
to do with "racism". Christ, during the Gulf War the British press was yelling
to exterminate those filthy Iraqis.

-- 
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article <550aop$nea@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         Then don't check out their reports which are meticulously documented.  

Mr Stein might just disagree with you. With the ADL it's not necessarily always
the facts that are wrong but the interpretation.

I'll give you an example from England. A few years ago there was a wave of 
daubings in cemeteries. One ADL fan - whom I won't name for legal reasons -
claimed this was an international conspiracy organised by the Klan and various
Nazi groups. A few weeks ago there was a minuscule piece in the Jewish Chronicle
which revealed that 4 boys aged 10-12 were to be prosecuted for causing 37,000
pounds worth of damage in a Jewish cemetery.

As for the ADL, like I said, check out Laird Wilcox. As for slurs, well,
blacks often call themselves and each other nigger, recently faggots have 
started calling themselves queers. So you're on shaky ground.



-- 
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In article <54sm7l$3d7@is05.micron.net> kurtstel@micron.net "Kurt Stele" writes:

> Jeffrey  wrote:
> 
> >In article , Mark Van Alstine
> 
> >>Auschwitz:  10,000 / 52 = ~192 deaths per muffle. 

No, it wasn't 52. The Birkenau crematoria replaced the 6 muffles at the main
camp. There were never more than 46. just a small point.

-- 
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article <54sqh1$3d7@is05.micron.net> kurtstel@micron.net "Kurt Stele" writes:

> 
> There is evidence the Mossad was planning on assassinating George Bush for
>  cutting aid to
> Israel.  It is in ex-Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's latest book on the Mossad.
> 
> Kurt Stele

I wouldn't take Ostovsky too seriously. My Rabbi friend - the one who 
doesn't exist - believes most of it - but as Professor Quigley points out,
the tendency is for such people to embroider to spin out their stories for
financial and other reasons and as they do so they become more remote from
the truth. Ostrovsky was a low level operative. The documented truth about
Zionism and Organised Jewry is bad enough; it doesn't need embroidering.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: He snatched the baby away and threw it into a blazing oven
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In article <3273E77C.65AE@ccnis.net>
           miasaura@ccnis.net "Annie Alpert, OFB" writes:

> Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > 
> > ³It often happened that when the doors were opened too early some of the
> > people were still alive. Once, to the horror of the men in the
> > _Sonderkommando_, a tiny baby was found still sucking at itıs motherıs
> > breast. It had probably been sucking all the time and so had not inhaled
> > the deadly fumes. S.S. man Wagner was furious. He snatched the baby away
> > and threw it into a blazing oven.²
> > 
> > Hart, _Return to Auschwitz_ (ISBN 0-689-70637-5), p.122-123.
> > 
We've been through this before you dumb bint; I should know because I
got an earful off Keren over it. This is, at best, hearsay. Actually,
it's plagiarism. Hart doesn't claim to have seen this incident, and it 
is copied from Nyiszli in any case.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 30 16:55:46 PST 1996
Article: 77850 of alt.revisionism
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ZOG Brief #1-Introduction
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In article 
           ms@zion.gov "Mark Steinberg" writes:

> Zionist Occupational Government of Metropolitan Sacramento
> ZOG Brief #1-Introduction
> 
>    Greetings Aryan scum! My name is Mark Steinberg and I have 
> been authorized by the Sanhedrin Rabbinical Council of Northern
> California, with approval from the United Nations, the Bilderberg
> Group/Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, 
> and the World Jewish Congress to post these briefs on the actions 
> of the Zionist Occupational Government to the Internet. 
> Sincerely, Mark Steinberg
> --
> Zionist Occupational Government of Metropolitan Sacramento
> 1621 13th Street (at Q), Sacramento, CA 95814
> We ARE the world! hahahaha

Hello Mr Steinberg, 

If only the rest of the filthy cabal had your openness the world would be 
a much happier place. Unfortunately, hate groups such as the ADL don't talk
about destroying the Aryans, they talk about "tolerance", and people believe
them. The Trilateral Commission doesn't talk about world government, it 
talks about establishing a "New World Order", formulating policy that will
enable world leaders to come to "a better understanding", and people believe them.

I'd stick with Harold Covington if I were you. He says the Jews are the enemies
of mankind, of his race in particular, and he wants to smash their power
for good. He's misguided, and he doesn't have much support, but at least he's
honest. 

Better the Devil you know, Mr Steinberg. Rather an openly declared enemy than
a false friend.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 31 15:56:50 PST 1996
Article: 77979 of alt.revisionism
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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In article <55679i$hr5@atlas.uniserve.com>
           hostrov@uniserve.com "Hilary Ostrov" writes:
> Oh, the affidavits "are not credible"?!  Well, Alex, while one really
> expects far less from you than one does of any doctor (of medicine -
> or of documents for that matter!), do tell us what particular
> expertise you have that would give us any reason whatsoever to believe
> that your assessment of the credibility of these affidavits should
> engender anything other than laughter.

Please don't call me Alex. Bimko testified, among other things, that 4 million
people were killed in one crematorium. She said she had been shown around it
and seen the gassing apparatus. Oh dear.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 31 15:56:52 PST 1996
Article: 77980 of alt.revisionism
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: He snatched the baby away and threw it into a blazing oven
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> > Actually, it's plagiarism. Hart doesn't claim to have seen this incident, and
> > it is copied from Nyiszli in any case.
> 
> Er, no, Al. Nyiszli writes that a _teenage_ girl survived a gassing and
> was subsequently taken, on orders from Mussfeld, to the furnace hall and
> shot. (cf. Nyiszli, _Auschwitz_, pp.114-120.) 

Yes, I have the book; the story is similar enough to be plagiarism. I think
though that outright lie would be more fitting.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 31 15:56:53 PST 1996
Article: 77981 of alt.revisionism
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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Subject: Re: England to Enforce the Holocaust Lie
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In article <5560s2$7be@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         I have. He's full of shit.  Anybody who believes him is a credulous 
> fool.

And so was J. Edgar Hoover and so is the US Civil Rights Commission; look up
what they say about the ADL, or did Wilcox fake the documents.
 
>         Now you are full of shit.  You have no right to use a racial ,
>  religious, 
> or ethnic slur.  Period.  Do it in most parts of the U.S. and it is very likely
>  that 
> not only that your septum will be forcibily deviated but the courts will tell
>  you get 
> lost when you complain.  Face it, Lyin' Al, you just like to use racist slurs 
> because it makes you feel good.

You're telling me I have no right to use what you term an "ethnic slur"? On
whose authority you obnoxious little kike? What makes you so special that
you can dictate what other people have a right to do? One reason I like that
sort of strong language is because it sorts the wheat from the chaff. It's what
is referred to as calling a spade a spade, and it is something that people of
all races and backgrounds generally appreciate.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Nov  1 09:09:37 PST 1996
Article: 78098 of alt.revisionism
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> > 
> > This is a lolapalooza of a book; Ginsberg says everything the "craziest of 
> > anti-Semites" have been saying for 50 years, albeit in a much more restrained
> > manner.
> 
> Doe this mean you give the book credense, Al? 

As far as I have been able to check the facts, yes. It's an interesting thesis,
one I disagreed with initially, but having read it I am in basic agreement.
Ginsberg's thesis is that Jews have often risen to positions of great power
in the past by forming alliances with the ruling elites. In turn "anti-Semitism"
has been used to attack these regimes. Basically, Jews, or rather their leaders
and elites, have been the cause of their own misfortune. There's a lot more to
it than this, but as I've always said, who needs the Protocols of Zion when
we've got the real thing?

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Nov  1 09:09:38 PST 1996
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From: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
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In article <558imr$34b@Networking.Stanford.EDU>
           rcgraves@ix.netcom.com "Rich Graves" writes:

> Thanks, Al. Great letter. I trust article
> <846620309snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> will be duly archived on Nizkor.
> 
> Al, could you please provide a more strict citation for the article?
> Who is "E.A.H."?

No I couldn't; this was forwarded to me by a skeptic friend (who has no 
interest in Holocaust Revisionism or the Holocaust at all).
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by the title. Are you trying to say that
> skeptics should never reach reasonable conclusions from the factual
> evidence before them? Should skeptics be forbidden from saying that
> specific claims of pseudoscience and pseudohistory are bunk?

As things stand my next book will be out by March, possibly February, which
has a chapter on skeptics. What I am saying is that skepticism should cut
both ways. Like the wide boys at Nizkor, the so-called skeptics who have done
such excellent work debunking ghosts, mediumship, etc, believe that all
Holocaust tales should be taken at face value and that anyone who questions the
perceived wisdom is a Nazi, crank or liar. Most of them haven't done any
research and the few who have - like Shermer - don't care. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy




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