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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Aug  1 06:10:15 PDT 1996
Article: 54718 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: for the last 4 days, there has been no delivery of food
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> # There were even a few Jews who became honorary Aryans, 
> 
> Such as who? When was that?

The Oppenheim banking family. At the start of the war and for some time on
there was talk of conscripting Jews.


> And whatever happened to "dumb Jew", "semitic slime", and
> other favorite expressions of yours? 

Actually Dan I don't regard you as slime, dumb, yes. Slime I reserve for 
Yale the Wail. And needless to say I am just as selective with the Jews I
say nice things about.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Aug  1 06:10:17 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Heiden seek
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Some twat, an Exterminationist as usual, said that Konrad Heiden's biography
of Hitler contained references to the Protocols of Zion in its early chapters.
I've just consulted the 1936 edition (which has no index) and could find no
mention of this document. Anyone else have any bright ideas?

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Nizkor's BELZEC - more goofy stuff
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In article <31fe1de3.541560@news.pacificnet.net>
           tm@pacificnet.net "tom moran" writes:

> 
>         This is the first of Moran's commentary after a excursion into
> Nizkor files on Belzec, a camp said to be one where 600,000 people
> were exterminated, "most of them Jews".
> 
> 
>         Fifteen thousand people a day exterminated. 
> 
>         The victims shoes were piled in a heap 25 meters high. Over 75
> feet. About 6 stories high. 
>         How did the Germans get the shoes up to that heighth? It doesn't
> say.


This is the Big Lie technique, Mr Moran. If they told you half a dozen people 
had been murdered at this camp you might dismiss it as hearsay and nonsense.
On the other hand, if they tell you that 700,000 were murdered and that the
clothes and shoes of the victims were piled to the height of a house, you think,
well, they may have been exaggerating or mistaken, but obviously there were a
lot of murders. This is the psychology of the Big Lie. The plain fact is that
a lie can be absolute, it doesn't have to contain a grain of truth.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Aug  1 06:10:18 PDT 1996
Article: 54723 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Photographs from BELSEN Camp
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> The fact is if the Nazis had wished to remedy the conditions at Belsen
> they would have. The British did. The Americans did at Dachau. Even the
> Russians did at Auschwitz.

You're missing the point that the Nazis also lived there. Some of them died there
too of typhus.
> 

> > I think Kramer has been thoroughly demonised - the Beast of Belsen. It is 
> > easy for you, me or anyone to sit back and say in retrospect that he, she
> > or they should have done such, but in the heat of the moment people do some
> > pretty stupid things: look at your own government, bombing Colonel Gadaffi,
> > sending the Ayetolah a birthday cake? 
> 
> Stupid those things may be, Al, but they didn't involve the intentional
> abuse, privation, and murder of thousands upon thousands of innocent
> civilains being held prisoner by, as the case may be, their government or
> a hostile occupying power bound by the Haugue and Geneva Conventions. No
> matter how you try a pretty up your Nazi apologia, Al, it still stinks. 
> 
> And then, of course, there were the extermination camps....   

Of course there were; dream on, kiddo.
> 
> > Ironically I read a story in the Guardian last week about a man in San 
> > Francisco who was gaoled for feeding the homeless without a permit. Yes,
> I kid 
> > you not.I don't know if anybody is starving in America but if you consider 
> > that we are fifty years on in technology and not in the middle of the 
> > bloodiest war in history, Kramer comes out rather well in comparison.
> 
> Would you like some chips with your red herring, Al? 

This is a serious point. I suppose most people - including me - would rather
sleep on the street than starve to death, but it's not much of a choice.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Aug  1 06:10:19 PDT 1996
Article: 54732 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Photographs from BELSEN Camp
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> 
> Were they starving to death when he fed them?

I dunno, but I don't think anyone was ever sent to gaol in Nazi Germany for
feeding the homeless without a permit. Of course, if you know better, Dan.

> This is Baron at his finest.
> 
> Heck, anyone recently see piles of tens-of-thousands of
> emaciated corpses in San Francisco? Funny coincidence is
> that I'm in California right now; been to SF a week ago,
> ain't seen no piles of emaciated corpses.

> 
> Pity for Kramer you were not in his trial to defend him,
> Al. They would probably have given him a medal.

This is not a defence of Kramer it is an indictment of the people who control
America and are busy turning it into a dictatorship. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Aug  3 07:03:06 PDT 1996
Article: 54912 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ethnic groups
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:

> >By the way, you think a man who solicits a prostitute is a criminal?
> 
> I don't know -- what happened the last time you were picked up for it?

Your mother admitted she approached me first.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Aug  3 07:03:07 PDT 1996
Article: 54919 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Photographs from BELSEN Camp
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> These "revisionists" are no better than Goebbels and
> Streicher. Nazi scum is Nazi scum, in 1996 as well as
> in 1939. And senile, frustarted, hateful, unemployed 
> Nazi scum is the worst of the lot.

Oy vay, Dan reverts to type.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Aug  3 07:03:08 PDT 1996
Article: 54921 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: U.S./U.K. Secret Surveillance of ALL JEWS
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In article <4tmavd$ifm@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> 
>   
> >  What a fucking load of bollocks. Pure Zionist propaganda; it's these 
> hatemongers
> >  who spy on the goyim, like the ADL for example. And on Jews who refuse to
> >  tow the Israel ueber alles line.
> 
>         Were these the same Evil Jooos who had Christine Jeffries fired from 
> her teaching position?
> 
>         --YFE
You really should be more careful Yale the Wail; I stated at the time that my
source for this was The Truth At Last, an anti-Semitic newspaper that is often
reliable on facts but questionable on interpretation. Mike Stein backed me up.
If I wanted to make out a real case against the Jews I wouldn't quote stuff
like that; there are now a large number of thoroughly documented studies by
Jewish authors which make the Protocols of Zion sound tame. For example, check
out the excellent book The Fatal Embrace by the American Jewish scholar 
Benjamin Ginsberg; he is quite candid about Jewish media control, the 
suppression of anti-Semites real and imagined by the dirtiest tricks imaginable
and the way certain powerful Jewish groups attempted to drag the US into World
War Two. Successfully, apparently.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Aug  3 07:03:09 PDT 1996
Article: 54922 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Where's Baron? (Re: Absent without leave)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> In alt.revisionism #109003, Alexander Baron 
>  asks Yale F. Edeiken:
> 
> # By the way, you think a man who solicits a
> # prostitute is a criminal?
> 
> And later, in alt.revisionism #109019 he writes
> 
> # I'll be away for a few days and I won't have the
> # time to read 2,000+ messages when I get back. 
> 
> Hmm... just *where* is Alex going for a few days!? 

To visit your mother?

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Aug  3 07:03:10 PDT 1996
Article: 54923 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: TOO SHOCKING FOR PUBLIC DISCLOSURE
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In article 
           jamie@voyager.net "Jamie McCarthy" writes:

> But it's another thing entirely to reject the story out of hand, without
> giving the evidence a fair hearing.  I believe this is what you are
> doing

Do I hear right? An Exterminationist is claiming that it is not permissible
to dismiss a story out of hand without examining the evidence? Aren't these
the same people who for years have been denouncing us as Nazis, cranks and
anti-Semites and even in many cases (though not apparently your?) demanding
that we be thrown into gaol if we so much as adduce a shred of evidence to
support our claims or make such claims in the first place? Are you saying that
we should now examine ALL the evidence and dismiss nothing out of hand? This is
progress.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Aug  3 07:03:11 PDT 1996
Article: 54924 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: ethnic groups
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In article <4tm0fg$g7v@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         I have tried two forfeiture cases.

As a defence attorney I hope. 

> 
>         I do not like most of the forfeiture law because of what it does to the > adminstration of justice.  Our local D.A.s run not on the quality of their
>  trial work or 
> their administration of the justice system but on how much money they make 
> through confiscations.  However, if the phamphlet to which you refer states
>  that 
> this is a possible scenario I suggest you locate "In re Shorty's Cafe." 

Which is what?

> The
>  law 
> does not (at this moment) work in the manner you suggest.
> 
>         Read the law. Al, and the cases that apply it.

I've come across a few horrifying cases, and the law is partially here, as
far as drugs is concerned. The right of silence has been sort of abolished;
courts are now permitted to draw inferences from silence. Check out Wollstein.
The way I read civil asset forfeiture and some of the other legislation that
has gone through recently is that the US Government now has a means of 
terrorising any individual or group - ethnic or otherwise - in a totally 
arbitrary manner. As Wollstein says, if a fist fight breaks out on a union
premises, the entire assets of the union can be seized. People have lost their
homes because a small amount of cannabis has been found on their premises,
which may not be connected to them. If that's not tyranny, what is?

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Aug  3 07:03:11 PDT 1996
Article: 54925 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Death to the 'Race Defiler'
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Excerpts from Opinion and Sentence of the Nuernberg Special Court in
> the Katzenberger Case
> [Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals - 
> Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. III, 653-663]
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Findings:
> 
> 1. The defendant Katzenberger is fully Jewish and a German national; he
>    is a member of the Jewish religious community...
> 

I'm not sure but I think this was aimed at one specific individual. I read
a report in the Jewish Chronicle from the 30s (I'll dig it out some time)
about a Jewish Gestapo spy who had spied on exiles in London. When he went
back to Germany he fell foul of his masters and ended up getting executed.
Is is any wonder these people are hated so much? -:(

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Aug  8 15:01:16 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Not bad for a one-legged octogenarian! How many others testified to such
monstrous acts without even the threat of torture?


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 10 18:49:29 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Heiden seek
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In article <4udamo$45a@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:
>         Moreover the copyright in my edition is 1944.  My edition is indexed as > well.
> 
>         So much for Lyin' Al's research skills.
> 
>         --YFE

I was referring to a book called "Adolf Hitler"; I did not "research" this, I
asked a friend to look up the Heiden Biography of Hitler and he came back with 
this. He assumed, erroneously, that the title "Der Fuehrer", had been altered
in translation (The Diary Of Anne Frank for example was actually published
in Dutch as Het Acterhuis). I have now personally located the other book. 

"...Jews often, secretly or not so secretly, conceive themselves to be 
morally and intellectually superior to their neighbours..." Benjamin Ginsberg.

I wonder who he had in mind, Yale.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Lack of ethics in "revisionism"
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In article <4ud1gl$5u8@news.iglobal.net> patchwgl@infinop.com "Gary" writes:

> In 1948, Raul Hilberg began research on the Holocaust.  The resulting 3 
> volume work, and the abridged form _The Destruction of the European 
> Jews_ is generally considered to be the definitive work to date.
> 
> One of the frequent denier tactics is to point to common 
> misconceptions, refute them, then claim "Because this is provably 
> incorrect, Holocaust never happened, or wasn't as bad as is supposed."
> 
> One of the most common abuses of this sort is the old, "If the plaques 
> at Auschwitz used to say 4 million were killed there, and they now 
> claim only 1 million were killed there, why is the Jewish death toll 
> from Holocaust still listed as 6 million?" and variations thereof.

This "discrepency" does raise another question; if you concede that the
Communists lied about the 4 million and revised it downwards only under
pressure why don't you concede that they have lied about many other things
too. Pressac's book is full of such exposes, indeed it is so candid in places
that it is embarrassing.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Photographs from BELSEN Camp
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> These people didn't die because Kramer locked himself in
> the bread store, or because the water pump broke down, or
> because of any other "reason" our desperate Nazi apologists 
> are trying to peddle. They died because the Nazis considered
> them to be "sub-humans". The people who continue to make
> lame excuses and lie about their death, are probably in
> agreement with the Nazis; there is no other clear reason
> to explain what they are doing.

And as I have consistently denounced the Protocols of Zion as a fake I
am probably in agreement with Organised Jewry. Ther is no other clear
reason to explain what I am doing.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: I'm not a revisionist but here's a thought
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In article <4ug354$mc5@lendl.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> CREATIONISTS:                   HOLOCAUST DENIERS:
> 
> Have little or no support       Have little or no support
> among scientists.               among historians.
> 
>                                 By a curious twist of semantics, anyone
who challenges the perceived wisdom is smeared as anti-Semitic. As no 
reputable historian wants to be smeared as anti-Semitic only the very brave
venture into these waters. David Hoggan is said to have published a
Revisionist pamphlet anonymously, and Rassinier was an historian. So is
Mark Weber and so are others.

> Present no evidence to          Present no evidence to
> support their position.         support their position.
 
                             Present masses of evidence. Most of the 
evidence adduced by Exterminationists proves nothing or the very opposite
of what they claim.

> Rely entirely on picking        Rely entirely on picking
> tiny holes around the           tiny holes around the 
> fringes of the theory           fringes of the accepted
> of evolution.                   account of the Holocaust.

                                Which reminds me of the boy who put
his finger in the dike. These "tiny holes" have been getting bigger.
Forensic evidence is usually tiny, but a fingerprint may convict or acquit
a man of murder.


> Must postulate a huge           Must postulate a huge
> conspiracy, directed            conspiracy, directed 
> by humanists, to account        by Zionists, to account
> for their refutation of         for their refutation of 
> evolution being covered         the Holocaust being covered
> up for so long.                 up for so long.

                                  More sopishtry. A conspiracy is a 
combination of persons for an evil or unlawful purpose. Zionism is both.

> 
> Once read a book by Duanne      Once read a book by Bradley
> Gish, and are now convinced     Smith, and are now convinced
> they know the Truth which       they know the Truth which 
> has eluded everybody who's      has eluded everybody who's
> given serious study to the      given serious study to the
> issue.                          issue.

                                 In my case once read a book by Arthur Butz,
Wilhelm Staeglich, many other Revisionists and a great deal of survivor and
other literature.

> 
> Aren't above lying and          Aren't above lying and
> distorting the words of         distorting the words of 
> scientists in order to          opponents in order to 
> support their Higher Truth.     support their Higher Truth.

                                  Ironically it was a committed Exterminationist,
Dr Anthony Kushner, who wrote that "Individual liberty has been put on a higher
plane that the sentitivities of [Holocaust survivors]. Many Revisionists 
have demonstrated the fraudulent methodology of the Holocaust brigade.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Heiden seek
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In article <4uft35$4jgs@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
> You are right that Al's research skills are pretty weak, especially for a
> person who claims to have written a _Protocols_ bibliography.  But in
> fairness, it should be pointed out that Heiden did write two books about
> Hitler (_Der Fuehrer_ [1944] and _Hitler--A Biography [1936]).  In fact, he
> wrote a third in which Hitler figured prominently: _A History of National
> Socialism_ [1935].

My bibliography runs to 34 pages and does not pretend to be comprehensive. I've
got a lot more material on disk which I will use eventually. I'll check this
book out to see if it contains anything worthwhile.

Somebody mentioned a book called The Zionists by George Armstrong. I don't
think there is a copy in our library system. Any further info?

I've seen Heiden's other book, I thought it was more general than about
Hitler.

-- 
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: gassing evidence bears interest
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

After
> scraping the white substance that covered these objects back to the metal,
> 7.2 grammes of scrapings were collected and subjected to two qualitative
> analyses, which established the presence of cyanide compounds. The report,
> signed by Dr. Jan Z Robel, was written on 15th December 1945 and
> transmitted to the Examining Judge, Jan Sehn." 

Ah yes, Jan Sehn, the man who also adduced "evidence" that a hundred tonnes
of bone pulp had been sold to a commercial concern.

-- 
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Death in Mauthausen
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Affidavit of SS member Alois Hoellriegl, a guard in Mauthausen
> [Quoted in "Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression" - Washington, U.S Govt. 
> Print.  Off., 1946, Vol. VIII, p. 630]
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Executions were carried out almost daily at Mauthausen. In the 
> years preceding 1942 they were carried out by firing squads and
> the bodies were burned in the camp incinerator which operated
> almost daily. SS-guards made up the firing squads and were detailed
> for the work in a routine manner the same as for other work details.
> Victims executed by a firing squad were always shot singly by six
> men using rifles. The number of executions varied daily. Sometimes 
> they included persons brought by the Gestapo who were executed
> immediately.
> 
> In 1942 a gas chamber resembling a shower room was built next to
> the incinerator. Gas executions were carried out in the gas chamber
> approximately three times a week and the bodies were burned in the
> adjoining incinerator. From my guard post I could hear the sound of
> the victims pounding on the door when the gas was turned on.
> 
> 
> 


Pressac on Maidanek in "Truth [sic] Prevails"

page 54: in the 1950s and 60s there was "a regrettable 
confusion...which often resulted in the shower room [at Maidanek] 
being presented as a gas chamber..."

page 55: "The assistant director of the museum, in speaking to me 
affirms that this gas chamber was hardly used, hardly used in the 
slightest, which means that it was not really used at all. This 
fiction is maintained in order not to undermine the popular 
belief that a crematorium needs to have a homicidal gas chamber 
to go with it..."

Are you sure a similar thing didn't happen at Mauthausen, Dan? Hasn't the
immediate post-war death toll of 4 million for this one camp been drastically
reduced?

-- 
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4ui6qj$bk5@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         Which doesn't excuse the fact that, although you you cliam some 
> expertise in the period you had, apparently, never even heard of one of the
>  basic 

The "expertise" I claim is having read a great deal of "survivor" and other
literature. I've read a couple of biographies of Hitler: Toland's, many years
ago, Pool and Pool's study too. There are countless others including by Fest
and Irving.

> texts on Hitler.  You demonstrate another typical denier failing as well.  One
>  of your 
> friends (according to your story) goofed.  Insttead of blaming him, you called 
> someone who correctly pointed you to a valid source of information a 
nasty name.> 
>         Where is your apology, Lyin' Al?
> 
>         --YFE   

You really are one unpleasant person, aren't you Yale? You must meet an awful
lot of "anti-Semites".


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Lack of ethics in "revisionism"
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In article <320e5be1.1118273@news.inetport.com>
           mcurtis@inetport.com "Mike Curtis" writes:
> >This "discrepency" does raise another question; if you concede that the
> >Communists lied about the 4 million and revised it downwards only under
> >pressure why don't you concede that they have lied about many other things
> >too. Pressac's book is full of such exposes, indeed it is so candid in places
> >that it is embarrassing.
> >
> 
> This discrepency was continually bombarded by historians. What the
> communists set as a death total has been continually discussed here ad
> nauseum. It seems that not only are your research techniques
> questionable, but your memory is a bit faulty. This doesn't say much
> for your honesty, Mr. Baron.

No, I don't dispute this, I've also read Reitlinger, but you are still missing
the point, everything that comes from communist sources must be suspect by
definition. We have seen the track record of these people and it sucks. Heck,
nobody trusts the American government over Wacko.

This "discrepancy" as you call it is not the only point in question. Refer to
previous postings re Jan Sehn.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: "Remember the Children"
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In article <320a0009.593624813@news.zilker.net>
           mike@aimetering.com "Mike Curtis" writes:

> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
> 
> >       
> >       "Remember the Children" is the most prevalant motto found posted
> >around the premises of the U.S. Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. It
> >is displayed on the inside and on the outside.
> >       This motto "Remember the Children" definetly does not apply to
> >the Palestinian children who have their houses blown up or are barred
> >from medical treatment, have their food supply threatened, their
> >schools shut down and have been mowed down by bullets, all by the will
> >and by the tolerance of the Jewish state of Israel, which itself is
> >the child of the Holocaust story.
> 
> You still haven't substantiated any of these claims. I have to assume
> that you figure to say it enough times and the unaware will eventually
> believe your blatherings.

Check out some of the stuff put out by Amnesty International. There are a
number of Jewish groups which monitor this sort of thing too.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> > Ah yes, Jan Sehn, the man who also adduced "evidence" that a hundred tonnes
> > of bone pulp had been sold to a commercial concern.
> 
> Ah yes, argumentum ad hominem. Obviously, Al, you can't rebut the fact
> that chemical anlysis of the grates showed cyanide compounds, so you must
> resort to character assasination. 
> 
> How typical. 

Ad hominem has nothing to do with it. For the communist there is no such thing
as truth: there is bourgeois truth and there is proletarian truth. I wonder how
much of this stuff you've read. You wouldn't take at face value everything the
Weltdienst churned out about the Jews, so why are you so uncritical
of Sehn and company?

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 14 12:16:15 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Death in Mauthausen
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> # Hasn't the immediate post-war death toll of 4 million for this
> # one camp been drastically reduced?
> 
> I was not aware of this figure. If it was indeed given, it
> is absurd. This is what we have historians for, to correct 
> such errors.

I suppose you were also unaware of the one million figure for Dachau and the
gas chamber that was being transferred from Auschwitz to Belsen. I kid you not.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 15 13:37:15 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Heiden seek
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In article <4uodk1$cmu@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         Actually I meet very few outside of alt.revisionism.  You of course are
>  a 
> rather uncouth example of one.

As your slimy friends in the goy-hating ADL believe that one American in five
is an anti-Semite, you must live a very sheltered life.

> 
>         Not only are you an uncouth anti-Semite but a rather classless one as 
> well.  Someone gave you accurate information.  You were too ignorant or 
> incompetent to follow it up and, instead, insulted that person.  Someone with 
> even a minimum of class would have apologized.

On the contrary I have followed it up; I'll look at this book on Saturday and
if it has any merit (unlike most biographies of Hitler) I will add it to
my bibliography.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 19 16:03:21 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Which Jew bankers run the Fed. Res.?
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In article 
           ral007@omni.voicenet.com "Polattolah" writes:

> My research indicates that the following Jew bankers rub the Federal Reserve 
> and also are the main beneficiaries of the National Debt:
> 
> Rothchild                                London & Berlin
> Warburg                                 Germany
> Lazar Bros.                            Paris
> Israel Moses                          Italy
> Loeb                                       New York
> Lehman Bros.                        New York
> Rockefeller (Chase Man.)      New York

The Rockefellers were actually of Jewish origin. According to my sources the 
Fed is owned by eight banks, seven of which have Jewish names. That is the 
operative word, names. The Rothschilds are actually Gentiles, having married out
long ago.

-- 
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the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Heiden seek
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In article <4uu3bh$sh0@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> 
>         Gee ace reasearcher, which ADL is that.  The one here in the U.S. 
> which never made that statement?  Or the one in your imagination that had 
> Christine Jeffries fired from her teaching job?

The one that had files on 800 American organisations (including Greenpeace)
and 12,00 individuals. The one that smears 1 in 5 Americans as "anti-Semitic".
>         And, you still haven't apologized to the person you insulted for giving > you accurate information.  A take it you learned your manners when the initials > H.M.P. were attached to your name.

Actually I couldn't find Heiden at first; he was listed as Conrad instead of
Konrad. My researches have resulted in numerous corrections to the Library
Catalogue. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <840132167snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>
           A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk "Alexander Baron" writes:
> Actually I couldn't find Heiden at first; he was listed as Conrad instead of
> Konrad. My researches have resulted in numerous corrections to the Library
> Catalogue. 

I still can't find the bloody thing, it's been missing since 1962, apparently,
but I will be able to order another copy.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Revisionist Breakthrough on "Vergasungskeller" from Arthur Butz
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In article <4v37uo$6b9@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         It is very tough to answer this.  Like many others here I am still
>  holding 
> my breath for an announcement that Lyin' Al promised to make in December or 
> January or February or March or sometime next year.  I only have one breath to 
> hold at a time.


Which announcement was that, Yale the Wail? You may not yet be disappointed.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 'Holocaust Revisionism' Nonsense (Re: Noah & other bible myths)
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In article <321442ea.3094033@news.iquest.net> hopeless "Elijah" writes:
 It is this facility which you often see
> in pictures, and is not a reconstruction. There has been an attempt at
> reconstruction to some of the camp barracks. As for the claim that the
> curator has admitted to the crematoria having been built after the
> war, that is just some sicko bullshit you made up out of thin air. 

I suggest that you get a copy of the Cole video. The claim is that a) this
was a gas chamber; b) that it was converted by the Nazis; c) that it was
"restored" by the Poles after the war. When Cole visited the camp he was given
a spiel by the tour guide and told something entirely different by Piper.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Everyone loves a good mystery...can you answer this one?
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In article <4upkuk$ald@surz03fi.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE>
           abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de "Nele Abels" writes:

> rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> >Who is Louis Marschalko?  Can anyone provide me with any details about 
> >this person's life?
> 
> Why should we care who Louis Marschalko is? 
> 
> Since you have obviously not grasped the concept of the Internet, I will 
> help you out with an explanation. Imagine you are standing on Picadilly 
> Circus in London at 12 o'clock and say "Here is another mystery to 
> solve: Who is Louis Marschalko". You can imagine that you will get veery 
> strange looks. It's the same with the net. There are a heck of a lot 
> people round here, and if you continue your little one-line witticisms 
> you will get nothing but strange looks. So if you want to play with your 
> daddy's account, learn to use the "quote" and "reply" functions of your 
> newsreader. Perhaps you will get answers then.

I was confusing this guy with Louis Marshall! Marschalko was a Hungarian 
anti-Semite - or if he wasn't an anti-Semite he was three sandwiches short
of a picnic. He wrote a book called WORLD CONQUERORS.

-- 
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the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Which Jew bankers run the Fed. Res.?
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In article <4v2o9b$9ms@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>
           anny@ix.netcom.com(Annie "Annie Alpert" writes:
> 
> Alexander, you're not American, so perhaps you can be excused for your
> ignorance of the American banking system -- but the Federal Reserve is
> owned by all the regional banks that are members of the Federal
> Reserve.  This means that ultimately the stockholders of each bank are
> the 'owners' of the Federal Reserve.

Not this banking bullshit again. I went to a meeting of the Christian 
Council for Monetary Justice recently at which one of the speakers pointed 
out that the entire world is in debt and added logically that if the entire
world is in debt there must be a creditor. The logic is that the world has
gone in hoc to the banking system. Bankers own the Earth, they have stolen
it by creating credit ex nihilo and "lending" it to the rest of us.

-- 
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Which Jew bankers run the Fed. Res.?
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In article <4v3bfp$fhb@lendl.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:
> 
> Nice of you to give him the benefit of the doubt, Annie--but he can't 
> be excuses.  Baron has repeated this "eight Jewish-sounding banks"
> crap over and over and over.  He's been corrected over and over and
> over.  Why he continues to lie about something that's so easily 
> established from public records is between him and his psychiatrist.

I have cited my source: THE MOST SECRET SCIENCE. I can give you a page number
too. You're the one who is sick, pal. Tell me again who owns the 4 trillion
dollar American debt.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Which Jew bankers run the Fed. Res.?
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In article <4v38j8$6b9@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> 
> >  > My research indicates that the following Jew bankers rub the Federal 
> Reserve 
> >  > and also are the main beneficiaries of the National Debt:
> >  > 
> >  > Rothchild                                London & Berlin
> >  > Warburg                                 Germany
> >  > Lazar Bros.                            Paris
> >  > Israel Moses                          Italy
> >  > Loeb                                       New York
> >  > Lehman Bros.                        New York
> >  > Rockefeller (Chase Man.)      New York
>   

You're a lying piece of filth Yale, you have forged this posting. I did 
not say "My research indicates that the following Jew bankers rub the Federal 
 Reserve", furthermore I can prove this from a document that has been in the 
public domain since 1993 and which says precisely the opposite. 

I've told you before, I know the way you people operate, now you have been
exposed for the lying, whining slime you are. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <320e5a5c.728875@news.inetport.com>
           mcurtis@inetport.com "Mike Curtis" writes:
> >> 
> >> You still haven't substantiated any of these claims. I have to assume
> >> that you figure to say it enough times and the unaware will eventually
> >> believe your blatherings.
> >
> >Check out some of the stuff put out by Amnesty International. There are a
> >number of Jewish groups which monitor this sort of thing too.
> 
> Well, such as what from Amnesty International? Do you stupidly join
> Moran in his unsubstantiated statements. If you have something to
> offer then kindly have the guts to present it here.

I posted a pamphlet here a while back which quotes from an Amnesty International
press release. The Jewish Chronicle didn't like it, and the Board of Deputies
referred it to the Attorney General. Like the slime they are.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Which Jew bankers run the Fed. Res.?
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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com  writes:

> In article <840133259snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk wrote:
> 
> 
>  The Rothschilds are actually Gentiles, having married out
> > long ago.
> 
>  
> Gee... V. Henry and Jackie Rothschild, who are family friends and have
> been so for years, will be very surprised to hear from Mr. Baron that they
> are no longer Jewish.
>  
> Once again, Mr. Baron's sweeping generalizations prove false.

These are not sweeping generalisations. Whether I was right or wrong about the Fed, 
the point I made is that the names were Jewish, not the banks. I am fully aware
for example that Reuters is a Jewish name, that the agency was founded by
a Jew but that it is now a public company employing 8,000 staff worldwide.
Edeiken twisted what I said - like the snake he is - to make it appear that
I was claiming the Jews control the banking system. Anyone who consults my
published works on this subject (3 of which date back to 1993) will know that
I have always said exactly the opposite because I do my research in the library.,,
company registers and the like. 

I have used such books as Pollins ECONOMIC HISTORY OF THE JEWS OF ENGLAND,
and POOR JEWS: AN AMERICAN DILEMMA.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
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In article <4v4hqi$gte@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:
>         nazi boy has written that the camps should be made as unpleasant as 
> possible so that the Danish citizens who he has deprived of their basic rights
>  will 
>  be as uncomforatble as possible.
> 
>   
> >       It is also a pleasure to see a pretend attorney who makes an issue of
> >  every pretend "human right" that Israelies will not give to
> >  Palestinians.  
> 
>         Ah, the old Isreal does it, too, gambit.  Please name a Palestinian 
> citizen of Israel who has been deprived of their rights.  Go ahead.  Make an
>  ass 

How about the 100 Palestinians (including 20 children) shot dead by Israeli
"soldiers" between December 1992 and May 1993, including a young girl on
her way to buy milk. How about the 415 men kicked out into the desert in
December 1992 on suspicion of being sympathetic to Hamas? Okay, it wasn't
Kristallnacht, but it was a start.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Heiden seek
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In article <4v33v2$6b9@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:
> >  The one that had files on 800 American organisations (including Greenpeace)
> >  and 12,00 individuals. The one that smears 1 in 5 Americans as
>  "anti-Semitic".
> 
>         Sure.  In your imagination.  Provide us a citation Lyin' Al.

Guardian, May 8 & May 10, 1993. This was reported extensively. Re the smear
on 1 in 5 Americans, check out Nathaniel Weyl's 1968 book THE JEW IN AMERICAN
POLITICS and the 1993 ADL report (widely quoted in the US press).
> 
> 
> 
> >  >         And, you still haven't apologized to the person you insulted for
>  giving > 
> you accurate information.  A take it you learned your manners when the initials
>  > 
> H.M.P. were attached to your name.

Sure, see you at the trial, Yale. 


>         Are you telling us that you couldn't find a book written by Konrad 
> Heiden because you were looking under "C?"  That's not fair, Lyin' Al.  You're 
> supposed to give us a *coffee alert* before you tell one like that.

I checked under Heiden, C, and found nothing, so I widened my search. This is
no ordinary catalogue but has over 18 million titles and adds five shelf miles
of material every year.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Which Jew bankers run the Fed. Res.?
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In article 
           ral007@omni.voicenet.com "Polattolah" writes:

> My research indicates that the following Jew bankers rub the Federal Reserve 
> and also are the main beneficiaries of the National Debt:
> 
> Rothchild                                London & Berlin
> Warburg                                 Germany
> Lazar Bros.                            Paris
> Israel Moses                          Italy
> Loeb                                       New York
> Lehman Bros.                        New York
> Rockefeller (Chase Man.)      New York

The Rockefellers were actually of Jewish origin. According to my sources the 
Fed is owned by eight banks, seven of which have Jewish names. That is the 
operative word, names. The Rothschilds are actually Gentiles, having married out
long ago.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Which Jew bankers run the Fed. Res.?
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In article <4v2o9b$9ms@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>
           anny@ix.netcom.com(Annie "Annie Alpert" writes:
> 
> Alexander, you're not American, so perhaps you can be excused for your
> ignorance of the American banking system -- but the Federal Reserve is
> owned by all the regional banks that are members of the Federal
> Reserve.  This means that ultimately the stockholders of each bank are
> the 'owners' of the Federal Reserve.

Not this banking bullshit again. I went to a meeting of the Christian 
Council for Monetary Justice recently at which one of the speakers pointed 
out that the entire world is in debt and added logically that if the entire
world is in debt there must be a creditor. The logic is that the world has
gone in hoc to the banking system. Bankers own the Earth, they have stolen
it by creating credit ex nihilo and "lending" it to the rest of us.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Which Jew bankers run the Fed. Res.?
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In article <4v3bfp$fhb@lendl.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:
> 
> Nice of you to give him the benefit of the doubt, Annie--but he can't 
> be excuses.  Baron has repeated this "eight Jewish-sounding banks"
> crap over and over and over.  He's been corrected over and over and
> over.  Why he continues to lie about something that's so easily 
> established from public records is between him and his psychiatrist.

I have cited my source: THE MOST SECRET SCIENCE. I can give you a page number
too. You're the one who is sick, pal. Tell me again who owns the 4 trillion
dollar American debt.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Which Jew bankers run the Fed. Res.?
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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com  writes:

> In article <840133259snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk wrote:
> 
> 
>  The Rothschilds are actually Gentiles, having married out
> > long ago.
> 
>  
> Gee... V. Henry and Jackie Rothschild, who are family friends and have
> been so for years, will be very surprised to hear from Mr. Baron that they
> are no longer Jewish.
>  
> Once again, Mr. Baron's sweeping generalizations prove false.

These are not sweeping generalisations. Whether I was right or wrong about the Fed, 
the point I made is that the names were Jewish, not the banks. I am fully aware
for example that Reuters is a Jewish name, that the agency was founded by
a Jew but that it is now a public company employing 8,000 staff worldwide.
Edeiken twisted what I said - like the snake he is - to make it appear that
I was claiming the Jews control the banking system. Anyone who consults my
published works on this subject (3 of which date back to 1993) will know that
I have always said exactly the opposite because I do my research in the library.,,
company registers and the like. 

I have used such books as Pollins ECONOMIC HISTORY OF THE JEWS OF ENGLAND,
and POOR JEWS: AN AMERICAN DILEMMA.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Which Jew bankers run the Fed. Res.?
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In article 
           ral007@omni.voicenet.com "Polattolah" writes:

> My research indicates that the following Jew bankers rub the Federal Reserve 
> and also are the main beneficiaries of the National Debt:
> 
> Rothchild                                London & Berlin
> Warburg                                 Germany
> Lazar Bros.                            Paris
> Israel Moses                          Italy
> Loeb                                       New York
> Lehman Bros.                        New York
> Rockefeller (Chase Man.)      New York

The Rockefellers were actually of Jewish origin. According to my sources the 
Fed is owned by eight banks, seven of which have Jewish names. That is the 
operative word, names. The Rothschilds are actually Gentiles, having married out
long ago.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Which Jew bankers run the Fed. Res.?
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In article <4v2o9b$9ms@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>
           anny@ix.netcom.com(Annie "Annie Alpert" writes:
> 
> Alexander, you're not American, so perhaps you can be excused for your
> ignorance of the American banking system -- but the Federal Reserve is
> owned by all the regional banks that are members of the Federal
> Reserve.  This means that ultimately the stockholders of each bank are
> the 'owners' of the Federal Reserve.

Not this banking bullshit again. I went to a meeting of the Christian 
Council for Monetary Justice recently at which one of the speakers pointed 
out that the entire world is in debt and added logically that if the entire
world is in debt there must be a creditor. The logic is that the world has
gone in hoc to the banking system. Bankers own the Earth, they have stolen
it by creating credit ex nihilo and "lending" it to the rest of us.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Which Jew bankers run the Fed. Res.?
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In article <4v3bfp$fhb@lendl.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:
> 
> Nice of you to give him the benefit of the doubt, Annie--but he can't 
> be excuses.  Baron has repeated this "eight Jewish-sounding banks"
> crap over and over and over.  He's been corrected over and over and
> over.  Why he continues to lie about something that's so easily 
> established from public records is between him and his psychiatrist.

I have cited my source: THE MOST SECRET SCIENCE. I can give you a page number
too. You're the one who is sick, pal. Tell me again who owns the 4 trillion
dollar American debt.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Which Jew bankers run the Fed. Res.?
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 96 09:15:37 GMT
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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com  writes:

> In article <840133259snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk wrote:
> 
> 
>  The Rothschilds are actually Gentiles, having married out
> > long ago.
> 
>  
> Gee... V. Henry and Jackie Rothschild, who are family friends and have
> been so for years, will be very surprised to hear from Mr. Baron that they
> are no longer Jewish.
>  
> Once again, Mr. Baron's sweeping generalizations prove false.

These are not sweeping generalisations. Whether I was right or wrong about the Fed, 
the point I made is that the names were Jewish, not the banks. I am fully aware
for example that Reuters is a Jewish name, that the agency was founded by
a Jew but that it is now a public company employing 8,000 staff worldwide.
Edeiken twisted what I said - like the snake he is - to make it appear that
I was claiming the Jews control the banking system. Anyone who consults my
published works on this subject (3 of which date back to 1993) will know that
I have always said exactly the opposite because I do my research in the library.,,
company registers and the like. 

I have used such books as Pollins ECONOMIC HISTORY OF THE JEWS OF ENGLAND,
and POOR JEWS: AN AMERICAN DILEMMA.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 20 07:25:27 PDT 1996
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In article <32171673.468063@news.inetport.com>
           mcurtis@inetport.com "Mike Curtis" writes:
> >What you actually say is that all Revisionists are always anti-Semites and
> >liars.
> >
> 
> Where did *I* say this, Mr. Baron? 

You mean YOU don't? Heck, you must be an anti-Semite too.

> Most "revisionists" (App, Harwood, Lady Jane
> Birdwood) are very antisemitic in what they write. I can't say that
> they are _always_ liars and antisemites, because that is not my method
> of debate. It does seem to be yours.

Lady Birdwood is not a Revisionist; she is an 82 year old widow with a dowager's
hump who, shortly before her 80th birthday was dragged into court - twice -
for publishing insane ravings that have been fed to her by a bunch of Jew-haters
and mystics. She also has (or had - they're mostly dead now) a number of Jewish
friends. Unfortunately they're just as daft as she is. Incidentally, she served
at Belsen after the war in a hospital working with amputees. Unlike others,
who were shooting innocent Arabs and British servicemen in Palestine.
 
> written by historical revisonists. Dmitri Volkogonov's _Lenein_ (1994)
> has almost a whole page in the index on Trosky (pg 526). Richard
> Pipes' _Russia Under the Bolchevik Regime_(1994) has almost a whole
> column on Trosky in his index (page 585). Heller and Nekrich's _Utopia
> in Power: History of the Soviet Union from 1917 to the Present_(1992)
> has much on Trosky also (page for the index is 874). Robert Payne's
> _The Life and Death of Lenin_,(1964) has much on Trosky as does _Three
> Who Made a Revolution_ by Bertram Wolfe (1948) and also John Reed's
> _Ten Days that Shook the World_ has Trosky. So I haven't a clue as to
> what you're talking about. Maybe you are talking about your
> "revisionists." This I would believe. BTW, Stalin is in all these
> books also. I think the problem may have been within the Soviet Union.
> They did stuff like that. They weren't revising history, they were
> propagandizing it for public consumption.

Which is exactly what I meant. There's a terrific book called MAKING PEOPLE
DISAPPEAR. It's by a guy called Jaubert - translated from the French, which 
details this sort of thing.
 

> You
> think most folks are swayed by general statements that allude to hate.

They are in my experience.

 I think you only grab the most ignorant of audiences.

My audience includes the Attorney General, the Crown Prosecution Service,
senior Scotland Yard detectives and the most powerful Jews in Britain.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Cleaned up Klan woos middle America, by Christopher Goodwin Zinc, 
published in the Sunday Times, August 18, 1996, page 1.18.

"IT IS a challenge that would tax the most de-
vious political spin doctor: the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), founded to 
enforce white supremacy and keep 'uppity niggers' down, is 
launching a recruitment drive and claims that it wants to become 
more respectable. 
  The racist language has been toned down and the organisation, 
founded in 1866, is now more likely to hold coffee mornings than 
cross burnings as it tries to attract new recruits."

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Which Jew bankers run the Fed. Res.?
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:

> >Who owns the federal debt?  Anybody who buys government bonds, for one.
> >What does that have to do with whether the Fed is owned by "eight banks
> >with Jewish names"?

The passage below is from my pamphlet of the same name; it has Rabbinic
approval and has been in the public domain since the summer of 1993. It has
also been posted in full to this newsgroup twice. It is reposted here as
further proof - as if further proof were needed - that a clique of Jews in
this newsgroup led by Yale Edeiken and Harry Mazal have persistently sought
to smear me by claiming that I believe the Jews control the economy or even
the world. The point about my quote above - whether the facts are right or
wrong - is that only the names of the banks are Jewish. In other words, I have
said exactly the opposite of what they claim. But for Organised Jewry and its
lapdogs this is nothing new.



Charity Begins At Home: How To Help Your Fellow Jews - And Combat 
Anti-Semitism


The Jews In Business


Anti-Semites  hold  many erroneous beliefs about  Jews  including 
that  they control the financial system or even the entire  econ-
omy. Bizarre as such beliefs may at first sight appear, a  power-
ful  case  can be made out for them. The roster of  Jewish  names 
associated with banking, particularly "international banking", is 
so long that it is embarrassing: Goldman, Lehman, Loeb, Seligman, 
and  of  course Rothschild, to name but five.  Jewish  names  are 
well-represented  in commerce too: H. Samuel the  jewellers,  Am-
strad  (owned  by  Alan Sugar), and Marks  &  Spencer,  Britain's 
largest  (and  most respected) retailer.  Several  hundred  names 
could  be added to this list, but impressive though it is, it  is 
an  illusion that Jews in any sense monopolise or  even  dominate 
the economy. (1)

The  anti-Semitic fantasy is that Jewish commercial  hegemony  is 
the result of a conspiracy; the reality is that the Jews are more 
successful in the free market largely because they are better  at 
satisfying  their customers' demands. After all, nobody $has$  to 
buy from Jews.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Which Jew bankers run the Fed. Res.?
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In article <4v77ds$eqo@news.fsu.edu>
           eflahert@garnet.acns.fsu.edu "Edward Flaherty" writes:

> Interest on the bonds owned by the first two groups, federal agencies
> and the Federal Reserve, is paid back to the Treasury so that part
> of the federal debt is non-interest bearing in effect.
> 
> Moreover, conditions for ownership of stock in the Federal Reserve
> banks is established by law.  See Title 12 of the U.S. Code, sections
> 281-290.  The Fed is not owned by a banking elite.  Your Christian
> Coalition speaker and the above book you mention are wrong.

Let's assume you're right; who owns the debt? How come the US is 4 trillion
dollars in debt? 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4vbcj5$6de@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >  >         Sure.  In your imagination.  Provide us a citation Lyin' Al.
> >  
> >  Guardian, May 8 & May 10, 1993.
> 
>         The ADL made no statement to the Guardian.
> 
> > This was reported extensively.

This refers to the FBI spy case.
> 
>         Not in the New York Times.  I checked them for May 1-15, 1993, and 
> there is no such statement from the ADL.

Then try 1 in 5 Americans Anti-Semitic, Survey Finds, from the Tulsa World, 
November 17, 1992.         

I would have thought this would have been extremely widely reported.

Check out too Palestine Solidarity articles, November-December 1992:
AIPAC's Secret Files and others.

> > Re the smear
> >  on 1 in 5 Americans, check out Nathaniel Weyl's 1968 book THE JEW IN 
> AMERICAN
> >  POLITICS
> 
>         He is not a spokeman for the ADL.
> 
> > and the 1993 ADL report (widely quoted in the US press).
> 
>         I have the ADL reports for 1993.  They contain no such statement.
>
Not "the ADL report" the reports on the ADL. Don't tell me you've missed this
scandal?
 
> 
> >  > >  >         And, you still haven't apologized to the person you insulted
>  for
> >  >  giving > 
> >  > you accurate information.  A take it you learned your manners when the 
> initials

How do you know what I write in private mail?

>         You've been arrested again?  Is there a three strikes law in England?

Actually Yale, an arrest means nothing. A conviction, maybe. Mike Stein has
a copy of the pamphlet I was arrested in connection with. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <321231a2.817428@news.zilker.net>
           mike@aimetering.com "Mike Curtis" writes:
> >No, I don't dispute this, I've also read Reitlinger, but you are still missing
> >the point, everything that comes from communist sources must be suspect by
> >definition.
> 
> Really, why? Could this be the same as some of us saying, "Everything
> that comes from 'revisionist/denier' sources must be suspect by
> definition?

What you actually say is that all Revisionists are always anti-Semites and
liars.

> 
> > We have seen the track record of these people and it sucks.
> 
> Which people? Which Soviet historians? Depending on whom you are
> thinking of will depend on how much their histories "suck." I suspect
> that we will find less distortion in their histories than we find in
> "revisionist/denier" histories.

Sure, like the Revisionists wrote Trotsky out of history and then tried to
do the same to Stalin. Grow up.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4vc0b9$61d@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rich@c2.org "Rich Graves" writes:
> >Try writing to the publisher, Houghton Mifflin, Boston.  They are available on
> >the Internet if you have a web searcher.  Failing that, check out second hand
> >book stores.  You can often find it there, or they can order it for you.
> 
> I could sell you the copy I bought tonight, since the Hoover Institution
> (where the book was written, and to whose library I have access) has a
> couple copies I could borrow.
> 
> Sorry, I haven't been following this thread closely; is there anything in
> particular you want to know about this book?
> 
> Interesting insight on the immediacy of the book from the preface:

As I said I've done a bibliography of the Protocols and I am putting together
something far more extensive. I think it'll probably take 3 or 4 years on an
ad hoc basis; I have many other things to do.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4vdq9j$o39@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>  I 
> have no intention of checking out Wilcox.  That is called hearsay.

Actually he reprints a letter from this august organisation.
> 
>         What is the statement of the ADL, Lyin' Al?  Where can anybody 
> check it out for themselves?
> 
Again, check out the Tulsa World, November 17, 1992.

"NEW YORK (AP) One in five adult Americans holds strong prejudicial attitudes
 against Jews...according to a survey release Monday." - A survey by the ADL.

Check out too the ADL sponsored book ANTI-SEMITISM IN AMERICA and other
dross. 



-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <321b96b1.6161716@news.spry.com> klewis@awinc.com "Ken Lewis" writes:

> On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:37:36 GMT, qut@netcom.com (Skip) wrote:
> Busy reading the tabloids at the newspaper checkout stand again,
> Skippy? Which one is your favorite? The Weekly World News? How did you
> like the article on the two-headed cow?

This story appeared in a tabloid in Britain: the JEWISH CHRONICLE
-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4vg6et$cnt@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> Americans are anti-Semites.  Why did you bother to cite it, Lyin' Al? 

I cited this in connection with the ADL spy scam.
> 
> 
> >  > 
> >  >         Not in the New York Times.  I checked them for May 1-15, 1993, and > >  > there is no such statement from the ADL.
>   
> >  Then try 1 in 5 Americans Anti-Semitic, Survey Finds, from the Tulsa World, 
> >  November 17, 1992.         
> 
>         The Tulsa Worls is hardly the New York Times, Lyin' Al.  Now that you 
> have found the obscure newstory please give us a quotation from the ALD making 
> the statement you claim they made.

The Tulsa World is hardly an obscure newspaper. Try reading some of the dross
churned out by the ADL, or the so-called ANTI-SEMITISM WORLD REPORT by the
Institute of Jewish Affairs.


>         You made it in public.

All of it?

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 24 18:02:50 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Proof of Jewish Media Control
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 96 16:59:41 GMT
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In article <321dca30.70803160@news.zilker.net>
           mike@aimetering.com "Mike Curtis" writes:

> >II) The Big three Newspapers -- The New York Times, the Washington, and
> >the Wall Street Journal (all three of which are jewish-owned and run).

Anyone who wants to make out a real case against the Jews should forget the
anti-Semitic stuff and read books by Jewish authors. The one I would 
recommend above all others is Benjamin Ginsberg's THE FATAL EMBRACE.

Re Jewish media control, although there is a heavy Jewish presence in the media.
the power Organised Jewry have over our media is due less to "conspiracy" than
pressure groups such as the ADL smearing as anti-Semitic anyone who refuses
to kiss their arse. The Jews may have started this but other groups, ethnic
and other, have long jumped on the bandwagon. It's even happening with queers
now. Ironically, in 1993 when the Chief Rabbi Emeritus made an Halakhic pronouncement
on homosexuality suggesting this poison could be eliminated from society by
genetic engineering, he was attacked by the organised homosexual movement and
"progressive" [sic] Jews who equated his stance with Nazi race science.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 25 15:07:46 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Anti-anti-semitism
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In article <4vl1v2$9km@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.org "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> I have criticized Jewish organizations.

Try criticising the Israeli government and see what happens.

  
> No one in any of the organizations that I have criticized have
> yet to call me antisemitic.
> 
> None of the Jewish folks I have met these past few years have
> called me antisemitic.

(To the best of my knowledge)

>I must tell you that I
> have also observed Jews fervently criticizing each other.

Ken, that doesn't count. 


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 25 15:59:26 PDT 1996
Article: 59885 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Heiden seek
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In article <4vl5it$hv2@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:
>         You have stated that the ADL made a statement.  Either they made that 
> statement or they did not.  It would have been very easy, had the statement
>  really 
> been made, for you to provide it.  You evasions prove only that you knew of no 
> such statement by the ADL when you annouced that such a statement was 
> made.  You have refused to provide even  a single reference to that statement.  > You have not even come close.  The conclusion is inescapable:

> 
>         You are lying again.

You love that phrase, don't you. Check out my other post and read what I
said you kosher half-wit. Why do so many people believe the Jews are plotting
to take over the world when half of them are fucking illiterate.
> 
>         You made it up and were, for the manyish time, caught making up some 
> lie about the ADL because of your pathological hatred for Jews.
> 
>         Why don't you admit the obvious  . . . .

It's not a pathological hatred of Jews, it's a hatred of slimeballs and
scumbags who seem to think that claiming they are descended from the tribe
of Israel gives them carte blanche to ride roughshod over the rest of mankind
and to smear as bigots anyone - like me - who has the audacity to challenge
their state sanctioned lies.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 25 15:59:27 PDT 1996
Article: 59887 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Lauck gets 4 years
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 96 23:53:12 GMT
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In article <321D98B2.53C9@rio.com> chuckf@rio.com "Chuck Ferree" writes:

> Chuck Ferree writes:
> 
> 
> some of them turkey's think he should get the Congressional Medal of 
> Honor.
> 
> I think he should serve 20 years in Germany's slammer, and ten more in 
> Turkey's. They got shitty prisons, man.
> Chuck


That proves what a fucking arsehole you are Chuck. You went to war for
"freedom". Lauck was gaoled for calling Jews rats and for questioning the
Holocaust. I don't recall any Jew being gaoled for four years in Nazi Germany
for calling Hitler a rat. Seems like the previous regime was more liberal
than the current one.

Wanna know what you fought for, Chuck? You fought for nothing. Wanna know what
your comrades died for? They died for nothing.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 26 07:21:58 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Revisionist Breakthrough on "Vergasungskeller" from Arthur Butz
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In article <4vn3pe$i72@lendl.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> 
> You have, over the years, been informed many times that this is not
> true.  According to the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, which established
> the Federal Reserve, the Fed is owned entirely by it's twelve regional
> banks, which are in turn owned by the many individual banks which make
> up their membership.  You have often presented yourself as a careful
> and thorough researcher, Mr. Baron--you cannot have failed to learn the
> truth in this matter.  It's apparent that you are deliberately lying.
> 
> Here's a chance to to come clean, Mr. Baron--support your contention
> or withdraw it--once and for all.

I'll be posting something on this next week. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 26 13:50:47 PDT 1996
Article: 2760 of alt.fan.ernst-zundel
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.ernst-zundel
Subject: Re: Ingrid Rimland must be losing a lot of sleep...
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In article <4vnanj$dr5@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.org "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> Take the videotape, "Das Lachout Dokument," for instance... as
> an honest and concerned German, you recognize it for what it
> is - a videotape, sold on the open market, which promulgates a
> blatant forgery.


Not this Revisionist Ken Baby, my new critique is out on September 1st.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Anti-anti-semitism
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In article <4vl1v2$9km@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.org "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> I have criticized Jewish organizations.

Try criticising the Israeli government and see what happens.

  
> No one in any of the organizations that I have criticized have
> yet to call me antisemitic.
> 
> None of the Jewish folks I have met these past few years have
> called me antisemitic.

(To the best of my knowledge)

>I must tell you that I
> have also observed Jews fervently criticizing each other.

Ken, that doesn't count. 


-- 
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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 27 16:03:27 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Racist Education 2: The Protocols of the Wise Elders of Zion
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In article <4vq22a$5pq@tom.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
 
> There have also been several excellent exposes of the forgery -- I seem to
> recall, in particular, an article which put several stretches of the Joly
> pamphelet and the "Protocols" side by side.

In my humble opinion the best exposes of the Protocols are Herman Bernstein's
1935 "Complete Exposure" republished 1972; Benjamin Segel's 1934 study 
republished this year and the 1942 study by the Gentile historian John
Shelton Curtiss. Then there is my excellent study and bibliography.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Lauck gets 4 years
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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com  writes:
> > That proves what a fucking arsehole you are Chuck. You went to war for
> > "freedom". Lauck was gaoled for calling Jews rats and for questioning the
> > Holocaust. I don't recall any Jew being gaoled for four years in Nazi Germany
> > for calling Hitler a rat. Seems like the previous regime was more liberal
> > than the current one.
> 
>  
> JEEZ, Mr. Baron. I always gave you a LITTLE credit, but you've wiped that
> completely.
>  
> Let's review your statement. You said:
>  
> "I don't recall any Jew being gaoled for four years in Nazi Germany for
> calling Hitler a rat."
>  
> Think about what you just said, Mr. Baron.
>  
> OF COURSE Jews weren't gaoled. THEY WERE PUT INTO CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND
> MURDERED.

Prior to World War II Jews were not murdered by the State; crimes against 
Jews "individual acts" were punished by the courts, sometimes severely. With
the single spectacular exception of Kristallnacht the persecution of the Jews
in Germany did not involve orchestrated violence.
  
Jews were not interned for being Jewish. Leaving that aside, two wrongs
don't make a right. Chuck fought for nothing, and his comrades died for the
same reason.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 27 20:57:36 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Anti-Racists Start Racist Groups To Earn Money
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In article <4vpss0$ssg@lendl.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> Alexander Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> 
> : This story appeared in a tabloid in Britain: the JEWISH CHRONICLE
> 
> We'll all go look it up, Al.  

Do so, then come back and apologise. In his book Crying Wolf, Laird
Wilcox documents dozens of such incidents. He also documents other 
phony examples of "hate crime" including black on white and white on 
black.

> Here's a chance to to come clean, Mr. Baron--support your contention
> or withdraw it--once and for all.

See new thread re Federal Reserve. I withdraw nothing. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Heiden seek
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In article <4vq3oo$n2s@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> 
>         I read it.  There was no statement from the ADL indicating that they 
> believed 20% of Americans were anti-Semites.  You have not even told us with 
> any degree of accountibility where such a statgement could be found.

Oh yes there was, read it again.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Who owns the Fed? Baron answers his critics
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This is a long posting. Once again, Honest Al has been accused of lying through
his teeth, claiming "the Jews" control the Fed, etc. 

Below are the replies I received from Colonel Roberts. First though is an
extract from my January 1993 interview with Eustace Mullins including a
footnote from the 1995 edition of this pamphlet. The reader will see from
this that this is the work of an honest man, contrary to Wail Edeiken's 
constant shrieking. 

According to Whitakers Almanack 1995, the British National Debt consists of
about 45% of gilts. Three or four years ago the Islamic Party of Britain
wrote to the Treasury asking them for a breakdown on who actually owns the
National Debt. After some evasive correspondence - and months - they received
a reply to the effect that the Treasury didn't know! It is against standing
orders to discuss the Bank of England in Parliament.

Extract begins here 
Question: In $The Most Secret Science$, Archibald Roberts lists 
eight banks which own the Fed, seven of which have Jewish names. (59) 
What are they doing to get rid of the Fed? 
Eustace Mullins: Nothing. Absolutely nothing. There's no movement at all. Roberts 
got some of the legislatures to [table] resolutions, that's over a 
twenty year period, and he's pretty much inactive at the present time. 
As far as I know, nothing is being done. As far as I know, Carto is 
sponsoring bills in Congress to audit the Fed, which I don't see will 
have any effect one way or the other. It might even give them legitimacy, 
putting them under official government audit, which will make the 
people believe that they are indeed official government institutions. 


(59) They are as follows:

1    Rothschild of London and Berlin
2    Lazard Brothers, Paris 
3    Israel Moses Seif, Italy
4    Warburg of Hamburg and Amsterdam
5    Lehman Brothers, New York
6    Kuhn, Loeb of New York
7    Chase Manhattan
8    Goldman Sachs, New York  

>From  page 56 of $The Most Secret Science$, by Archibald E. Roberts, 
published by Betsy Ross Press, (1984). Chase Manhattan is (Gentile) Rockefeller, but, with the possible exception of Rothschild, it is 
not meaningful in these days of raceless capital to call any of these 
banks Jewish.
  In John L. Lewis v United States of America, the plaintiff, who 
was injured by a vehicle owned and operated by a federal reserve bank, 
brought an action for damages. The court ruled that federal reserve 
banks are "independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations."

Submitted March 2, 1982
Decided April 19, 1982
As amended June 24, 1982

No 80-5905

The full implications of this are discussed in $The Most Secret 
Science$. (This is from page 43). Neither is this an isolated judgment.

I should mention that I had a long on-line discussion about the ownership 
of the Fed with an employee of Rothschild of London. He dismissed 
all my arguments as fantasy; he claimed also that at the time this 
book was written, there was no branch of Rothschild in Berlin as per 
the footnote. However, it is notable that he was unable to refute 
anything I said about credit-creation, and in the end he gave up the 
argument.



Forwarded message follows:
> From: comminc@fortnet.org (Committee to Restore the Constitution)
> Subject: Re: straight answers to straight questions
> Status: R
> 
> Your 22 August e-mail indictment of my book "The Most Secret Science" is
> without foundation.
> 
> As for "proper documentation" on "Who Owns the Fed", I have in the dark and
> distant recesses of my research library copies of Articles of Incorporation
> for all twelve Federal Reserve Banks in the United States.  All are
> agencies of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and all are servants of
> the Bank of England (N.M. Rothschild, London).  (Too bulky for easy
> duplication)
> 
> Years of effort have failed to secure a copy of the Articles of
> Incorporation for the Federal Reserve System, the most tightly guarded
> secret in the United States.
> 
> Of the many articles exposing the Federal Reserve published over the years
> in the Bulletin, Committee to Restore the Constitution, I recommend an
> introductory documentary "The Federal Reserve System:  Creature of a
> Triumph International Banking Establishment", by Bob Adelmann, economist
> and broker, registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission.  This
> February 1989 issue contains a chart revealing the linear connecton between
> the Rothschilds and the Bank of England, and the London banking houses
> which ultimately control the Federal Reserve Banks through their
> stockholdings of bank stock and their subsidiary firms in New York.
> 
> I will be pleased to send you a copy via surface/air mail, if you provide
> an address.
> 
> Archibald E. Roberts, LtCol, AUS, ret, Director
> Committee to Restore the Constitution, Inc.
> Post Office Box 986   Fort Collins, Colorado  80522  USA
> Web Site:   http://www.fortnet.org/~comminc



In message  comminc@fortnet.org (Committee to Restore the Constitution) writes:
> Your 22 August e-mail indictment of my book "The Most Secret Science" is
> without foundation.

Dear Colonel Roberts,

Thanks for your reply, I wasn't sure if you were still around, I gather that
you are now well over 80.

My E-mail is not an indictment of your book; if you check out my pamphlet:
EUSTACE CLARENCE MULLINS: ANTI-SEMITIC PROPAGANDIST OR ICONOCLAUST you will
see that I include a glowing reference to it.

> 
> As for "proper documentation" on "Who Owns the Fed", I have in the dark and
> distant recesses of my research library copies of Articles of Incorporation
> for all twelve Federal Reserve Banks in the United States.  All are
> agencies of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and all are servants of
> the Bank of England (N.M. Rothschild, London).  (Too bulky for easy
> duplication)
> 
> Years of effort have failed to secure a copy of the Articles of
> Incorporation for the Federal Reserve System, the most tightly guarded
> secret in the United States.

It could be that it doesn't exist! The other thing I mentioned was that you
give one of the owners of the Fed as a bank that does not exist, Rothschild
of Berlin.
> 
> Of the many articles exposing the Federal Reserve published over the years
> in the Bulletin, Committee to Restore the Constitution, I recommend an
> introductory documentary "The Federal Reserve System:  Creature of a
> Triumph International Banking Establishment", by Bob Adelmann, economist
> and broker, registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission.  This
> February 1989 issue contains a chart revealing the linear connecton between
> the Rothschilds and the Bank of England, and the London banking houses
> which ultimately control the Federal Reserve Banks through their
> stockholdings of bank stock and their subsidiary firms in New York.
> 
> I will be pleased to send you a copy via surface/air mail, if you provide
> an address.
> 
My address is 93c Venner Road, Sydenham, London SE26 5HU.

I am an ardent Social Crediter and am fully aware of the faults in the 
debt-based money system, but your claims are at odds with the perceived wisdom
and I feel that the onus is on you to provide the proof. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


>From  comminc@linden.fortnet.org Mon Aug 26 14:36:15 1996
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 09:18:16 -0600
To: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk
From: comminc@fortnet.org (Committee to Restore the Constitution)
Subject: Re: The Fed
Status: R

Responding to your e-mail request for "refutation" of misleading charge of
"myth" by Edward Flaherty, Department of Economics, Florida State
University, I invite your attention to a more significant examination of
the transfer of political powers from the American people to an
international banking cartel.

"Why America is Bankrupt", text follows:
******************************************************************************
WHY AMERICA IS BANKRUPT

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties
than standing armies.  Already they have raised up a money aristocracy that
has set the government at defiance.  The issuing power should be taken from
the banks and restored to the government to whom it properly belongs."
                                                               THOMAS JEFFERSON

In the present climate of economic emergency it appears that the greatest
stumbling block to acceptance of necessary data for financial survival, and
the conclusions which must be reached by the individual, is the feeling of
`unreality' which the truth holds for the very people who seek it.

Impending economic/political disaster is permitted its fantastic rate of
growth through no other factor as much as incrudulity masked as apathy.
The resulting inaction of the people is a powerful propellant to nihilistic
doctrine.

Knowledgeable response to crisis is, of course, more difficult than
protest.  But, protest alone will not defend your family, your money and
your property against confiscatory stratagems of the money aristocracy.  A
vital first requirement for financial survival is identification of the men
and the system who direct the course of the Republic to oblivion and her
people to an Orwellian twilight zone.

Now you can have the key to unlock the mystery of the secret government of
monetary power and learn how to defend your money and property against a
predatory government.

Extract from testimony by Col. Roberts, Committee to Restore the
Constitution, before House of Representatives, Wisconsin State Legislature
and full gallery of supportive citizens, 14 December 1971.  Public hearing
held in consonance with provisions of Assembly Joint Resolution #34.
*******************************************************************************
WHY AMERICA IS BANKRUPT

A significant portion of the American public is yet to become aware of the
"Invisible Government of Monetary Power", although this knowledge is common
in Europe.  Americans still believe that they are working toward a better
way of life.  Surreptitously, however, social customs and forms of
administration in the United States are being carefully and gradually
modified.  The change from one type of culture to another is thus
accomplished without arousing serious public challenge.

The stark truth is that America is now passing from a constitutional
republic into a totalitarian, world wide government.  World dominion is the
ages old dream of the mattoids who have mastered the science of control
over people.

Their success in the United States is directly related to two central issues:

One - transfer of money control from the people into the hands of an
international banking combine, and

Two - creation of a complex and confusing judicial system designed to
frustrate justice.

The remainder of this presentation will be concerned with the first
principle - money, and those who control it.

In 1913 the money aristocracy effected a major advance toward their
long-range goal of world dominion.  They duped the United States Congress
into adopting the Federal Reserve Act.  This coup resulted in the transfer
of the power to coin and regulate US money from the Congress to their
private banking combine, the Federal Reserve System.

Since passage of the Federal Reserve Act, the American destiny and the
personal life of every citizen has been controlled by a financial elite
whose sick-brained policies have spawned depression, war and revolution.

The existence of an "Invisible Government of Monetary Power" was
dramatically confirmed in 1933 by the late Louis T. McFadden, Chairman,
Banking and Currency Committee, United States Congress, who said:  "Every
effort has been made by the Fed to conceal its powers but the truth is -
the Fed has usurped the government.  It controls everything here (in
Congress) and it controls all our foreign relations.  It makes and breaks
governments at will."

Representative John R. Rarick, denouncing President Nixon's plan for
deficit spending ("Deficit Financing", Congressional Record, February 1,
1971) also revealed the dominant position held by the Federal Reserve
System over the American economy.

"He," (President Nixon) said Mr. Rarick, "has asked the independent Federal
Reserve System to come up with enough new money to reach a projected
increase in the GNP by $88 billion in order to achieve his `objective of
prosperity without inflation'."

"The Federal Reserve," Congressman Rarick pointed out, "is not an agency of
Government.  It is a private banking monopoly."

"As I have said many times before," Rarick declared, "the policies of the
monarch are always those of his creditors."

Gentlemen, the safety of the State and the peace and security of Wisconsin
citizens now urgently require an investigation of the vast powers claimed
by the Federal Reserve System.

The first consideration should be a public examination of the authority
which the Federal Reserve System says established its legal status as a
Government agency.  Such authority is quoted in a statement submitted to
Congressman Wright Patman, House Banking and Currency Committee, by the
Board of Governors, Federal Reserve System and Federal Reserve Banks, dated
April 14, 1952.

"The 12 Federal Reserve Banks," said the Federal Reserve Board, "are
corporations set up by Federal law to operate for public purposes under
government supervision."

The Board further advised Mr. Patman that, "The Board of Governors was
created by Congress and is a part of the Government of the United States.
Its members," they said assuringly, "are appointed by the President, with
the advice and consent of the Senate, and it (the Fed) has been held by the
Attorney General to be a Government establishment (30
Op.Atty.Gen.,308,1914)."

Retorting to these impressive claims to "legality" and "public service"
Congressman Patman stated:  "There is no free market that can cope with a
national debt of $272 billion (1952), with $85 billion of it to be refunded
within one year.  Free market," he said, "means private manipulation of
(private) credit."

Private manipulation of PUBLIC credit is, of course, the purpose and
objective of the Federal Reserve System.  This international banking
cartel, as will be shown, manages the credit of the United States for the
profit and advantage of its foreign and domestic members.  In so doing the
Federal Reserve exploits the entire producing strata of the American
society for the gain of a select, non-producing few.

"The Federal Reserve Board, to my mind," continued Mr Patman, "is guilty of
the grossest kind of misconduct in failing to support the Government of the
United States at a time of its greatest economic peril in Government
securities."

Congressman Patman then revealed the contradiction in the spurious Federal
Reserve claim of "Government agency" status and explained how the Fed
generates illegitimate profits for its members.

"The Open Market Committee of the Federal Reserve System," he said, "is
composed of the 7 members of the Board of Governors and 5 members who are
presidents of the Federal Reserve banks and who are selected by private
commercial banking interests.  The Open Market Committee has the power to
obtain, and does obtain, the printed money of the United States - Federal
Reserve Notes - (free) from the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, and
exchanges these printed notes, which of course are not interest bearing,
for United States government obligations that are interest bearing.  After
making the exchange," Patman explained, "the interest bearing obligations
are retained by the 12 Federal Reserve banks and the interest collected
annually on these government obligations goes into the funds of the 12
Federal Reserve banks."

Exploding the myth that the Federal Reserve System is an instrumentality of
the Federal Government, Mr Patman declared: "These funds (interest from
Government obligations) are expended by the (Federal Reserve) system
without an adequate accounting to the Congress.  In fact, there has never
been an independent audit of either the 12 banks or the Federal Reserve
Board that has been filed with the Congress where a Member (of Congress)
would have an opportunity to inspect it.  The General Accounting Office,"
he states, "does not have jurisdiction over the Federal Reserve.  For 40
years (1952) the system, while freely using the money (credit) of the
Government, has not made a proper accounting."

Governor W.P.G. Harding of the Federal Reserve Board, in testimony before
Congress in 1921, admitted that the Fed is a private banking monopoly.
"The Federal Reserve Bank is an institution owned by the stockholding
member banks," he said. "The Government has not a dollar's worth of stock
in it."

The Government does, however, give the Federal Reserve System free use of
its billions of dollars of credit.  This gives the Federal Reserve the
characteristic of a central bank; the power to issue currency on the
Government's credit.

Americans do not have Federal Government notes or gold certificates as
currency.  We have Federal Reserve Bank notes, fiat money issued by private
banks.  Every dollar the Federal Reserve System prints is a dollar in their
pocket.

The compatible meshing of the Federal Reserve System with a network of
international banking was explained by Mr. W. Randolph Burgess of the New
York Federal Reserve Bank in an address before the Academy of Political
Science in 1930.  "In its major principles of operation the Federal Reserve
System is no different," he told Congress, "from other banks of issue, such
as the Bank of England, the Bank of France, or the Reichsbank."

It is obvious that when control of money is transferred from the People to
private banking centers, as is the case in Europe and America, the
sovereignty of the People is surrendered, too.  Control of wealth confers
upon those who control it the final decision in the domestic and
international affairs of nations.  When the financial aristocracy usurp the
"coin of the realm", the People are disfranchised and real political
authority passes into the hands of an "Invisible Government of Monetary
Power".
****************************************************************************
***
From, THE MOST SECRET SCIENCE, by Archibald E. Roberts, LtCol, AUS, ret.
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     * Establishes a system of banking owned, controlled, and operated
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     * Abolishes the Federal Reserve Board
     * Replaces Federal Reserve Notes with United States Money
     * Prohibits loans to foreign governments
     * Reserves gold for international settlement (governmental) payments
     * Loans public works funds to economically distressed states
     * Maintains price stability based on monitoring commodity prices
     * Retires public indebtedness
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     PROPOSED MONETARY REFORM BILL PENDING IN CONGRESS [1930s]

     Introduced by William Lemke

                    Be in enacted by the Senate and House of
     Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
     That for the purpose of encouraging and promoting agriculture,
     commerce, and industry, and for the purpose of financing the
     Government of the United States and the various departments thereof,
     and providing the people of the United States and the various States
     and political subdivisions thereof, with a sound and elastic national
     currency and medium of exchange, the Government of the United States
     shall coin and issue money and regulate the value thereof, and for
     that purpose there is hereby established a system of banking owned,
     controlled, and operated by the United States, in its sovereign and
     governmental capacity, under the name of the Bank of the United
     States.

     ....
                    Sec. 4. The Board of Control may acquire, by purchase,
     lease, or by the exercise of the right of eminent domain, all
     requisite property and property rights, including the twelve Federal
     Reserve bank buildings with all equipment, and may construct, remodel,
     and repair buildings, but it shall not invest more than is necessary
     and convenient to conduct its business in furniture, fixtures, lands,
     and buildings for office purposes.

     ....
                    Sec. 9. When the Bank of the United States is organized
     and is ready to proceed to the transaction of business the Board of
     Control shall so notify the Comptroller of the Currency, and thereupon
     it shall become his duty, under the supervision of the Secretary of
     the Treasury, to cause to be engraved, printed, delivered, and
     furnished to the manager of the bank notes for circulation in the sum
     of $5,000,000,000, or such additional sums as may be necessary to
     carry out the purposes of this Act. These notes shall have engraved
     and printed upon their face the words, "United States Money." Such
     notes shall be secured by the full faith and credit of all the
     resources of the United States, including all of the gold and silver
     now or hereafter owned by the Government of the United States. The
     notes so issued shall become the capital and the revolving fund of the
     bank.

     ....
                    Sec. 15. The Bank of the United States may transfer any
     available funds to the credit of the Treasurer of the United States
     for the general fund: Provided, That the return of such funds is
     evidenced or secured and assured by the depositing with the bank of
     bonds or certificates of indebtedness of the United States in an
     amount equal to the amount of the funds so transferred. The Bank of
     the United States may make loans to any State or Territory of the
     United States, or to any political subdivision thereof for public
     improvements, or to any State or National bank, savings bank, or trust
     company within the United States or any Territory thereof, provided
     such loans are amply secured by approved bonds of any State,
     Territory, or political subdivision thereof and other acceptable
     paper: Provided, That the bonded indebtedness, including outstanding
     certificates or warrants of indebtedness of any such State, Territory,
     or political subdivision thereof is not in excess of 30 per centum of
     the assessed valuation of the taxable property of any such State,
     Territory, or political subdivision. Provided further, That the Bank
     of the United States shall make no deposits in, or loans to, any
     State, National or Federal Bank, unless such bank keeps at all times a
     cash reserve equal to at least twenty percent (20%) of its deposits
     and other obligations, of which reserve at least one-half shall be
     carried in the Bank of the United States and the balance in the bank's
     own vaults. Loans to States, Territories, or political subdivisions
     thereof shall be given preference whenever and wherever there is
     unemployment, or where the wage scale for common labor shall fall
     below a living annual wage as measured by a thirty-hour week at one
     dollar per hour. The Bank of the United States shall also make loans
     to the Farm Credit Administration secured by farm-loan bonds issued
     for the purpose of making farm loans or refinancing and scaling down
     existing farm debts, and to the Home Owners' Loan Corporation secured
     by home-loan bonds issued for the purpose of making home loans or
     refinancing and scaling down existing home mortgages.

     ....
                    Sec. 21. The Federal Reserve Board is hereby abolished,
     and all of its powers and duties are hereby transferred to the Board
     of Control of the Bank of the United States. No more Federal Reserve
     notes, Federal Reserve bank notes or National bank notes shall be
     issued after the enactment of this Act. All Federal Reserve notes,
     Federal Reserve bank notes and National bank notes shall be called in
     and retired, and in exchange for same, the Bank of the United States
     shall give "United States Money" upon the same security that the
     Federal Reserve notes, Federal Reserve bank notes or the National bank
     notes were issued. The bank receiving such "United States Money" in
     exchange for its Federal Reserve notes, Federal Reserve bank notes or
     National bank notes shall pay interest on the same at a rate not to
     exceed 1 per centum per annum.

     ....
                    Sec. 23. Whenever the Bank of the United States shall
     come into possession of, and become the owner of, any gold coin or
     gold bullion, it shall set the same aside and from time to time
     deliver the same to the Treasurer of the United States in exchange for
     an equal amount of any lawful money of the United States. Such gold
     shall be for the use of the Government of the United States in
     international dealings. The net earnings of the bank shall annually be
     appropriated by Congress for governmental expenditures.

     ....
                    Sec. 28. All Acts or parts of Acts inconsistent with
     the provisions of this Act are hereby repealed.
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We have attempted to confirm that the Newsgroups listed currently contain
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-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 28 07:32:13 PDT 1996
Article: 60496 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Hans Frank
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 14:59:09 GMT
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In article <4vr6kg$nks@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
           kurtstele@aol.com "Kurt Stele" writes:

> kmcvay@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> 
> >In article <4vmu2r$qtc@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, 
> >kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele), accused of inventing history, wrote:
> 
> Do the same jewish power which conceals from the public the fact of its
> overwhelming media dominance also have the power to conceal the truth
> about the Holocaust tale as well? 
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Kurt Stele

This is an excellent posting Mr Steele and I am sure that it will produce
the usual reply. Charges of "anti-Semitism" or more likely silence. It isn't
the whole story though. Ironically, in Israel, where the entire media is in
Jewish hands, there is less of a taboo about this subject than in the good
ol' US of A or Britain. In fact, what most "anti-Semites" write about
Jews pales on comparison with some of the stuff churned out by Jewish 
journalists.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 28 11:24:33 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Jewish Ritual Murder
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 15:17:06 GMT
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In article <01bb9357$a3d05d40$4bded3c6@default>
           104670.3420@compuserve.com "Duncan Coons" writes:

> 
> 
> tmw  wrote in article <4vpshm$ikm@thoth.nilenet.com>...
> 
> 
> The blood libel hardly, of course, needs to be refuted, but it's worth pointing
> out that the medieval Church often did so quite forcefully. In the passages
> that appear below one may observe that the Popes seem to understand the charge
> as primarily a pretext for theft. Hence the reference to "proper recompense" at
> the conclusion of the first passage.
> 

Interestingly it was reported earlier this year that a commission had been set
up in South Africa to investigate over 140 cases of ritual murder. Obviously
Jews must be morally superior to blacks.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 28 11:24:33 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Revisionist Breakthrough on "Vergasungskeller" from Arthur Butz
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 14:50:35 GMT
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In article <4vr50t$4f1@lendl.cc.emory.edu>
> : I'll be posting something on this next week. 
> 
> Why next week, Al? Why not now?  You've had at least two years to
> think about it.
> 
> Ah, well.  It'll save wear and tear on my rigii, I guess.  You have
> until next Sunday, then.  Post in peace until then.

Why not now indeed? See the new thread.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 28 11:24:34 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Jewish Ritual Murder
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 15:15:51 GMT
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In article <4vpshm$ikm@thoth.nilenet.com> tmw@nilenet.com "tmw" writes:

> New on the GOAL Resource LIbrary Home Page:
>    http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/
> 
> Jewish Ritual Murder by Arnold Leese
> 
>                           CONTENTS 
> 
>                         INTRODUCTION 

Leese published this pamphlet after being released from gaol. He was gaoled
in 1936 for effecting a public mischief after publishing allegations of ritual
murder against these poor, persecuted, POWERLESS people.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 29 12:21:06 PDT 1996
Article: 60866 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Who owns the Fed? Baron answers his critics
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 11:29:53 GMT
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In article <501r7a$4tc@lendl.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> I don't know what to say about this, Al.  Nowhere in this long,
> disjointed screed did I find even a scintilla of evidence that the
> fed is owned by "eight banks with Jewish names."  Am I missing 
> something?

why not send an E-mail to comminc@fortnet.org and ask Colonel Roberts himself.
The banks are named in hisbook THE MOST SECRET SCIENCE. I've just got a mailing
off him today.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: "Germany Must Perish"
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In article <4vv41l$6ne@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.org "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> Perhaps you can tell us, then, how many tanks "International Jewry" 
> had in 1933? How many ships and planes? How many divisions in the field?

Check out Benjamin Ginsberg's excellent book THE FATAL EMBRACE: JEWS AND THE
STATE. It's amazing how candid reputable Jewish scholars are in books written
for academics. Ginsberg says most of the things the craziest of anti-Semites
do about Jewish groups trying to drag America into the war, except he does it
moderately and with approval.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> Irregardless, Al, the fact remains that Kristallnacht was a state
> sponsored pogrom against the Jews that resulted in 236 Jewish deaths and
> some 600 serious injuries. (cf. Read & Fisher, _Kristallnacht_; p.69.)
> 
The claim of 236 deaths is a lie; I have seen the figures 91,96 & 97, and
would dispute even those.

The following is an excert from my book (covering the Jews under the Nazis)
if you want the footnotes, buy the book.

It  is  important to understand that,  whatever  the  anti-Jewish 
decrees  and measures of the Nazi government, Jews were not  out-
laws in Nazi Germany, and it was always illegal to kill them,  or 
even  to "persecute" them $without due process of law$. To  prove 
this, we can do no better than to quote several reports from  the 
contemporary  $Jewish  Chronicle$, an organ that  can  hardly  be 
accused of bias towards Nazism: 
  March 17, 1933, pages 22-4, the paper reported: $ANTI-JEWISH 
TERROR IN GERMANY...$ which said that a number of outrages had 
occurred, including the murder of a Jewish lawyer and a wholesale 
merchant. Nazis were said to be picketing Jewish shops. But page 
22 reported the case of three Nazis in Cologne who robbed a Jew 
of 800 Marks at gunpoint, were apprehended and expelled from the 
party.
  January 12, 1934, pages 14-15: $GERMANY DISMISSAL OF JEWS...$ 
reports that the courts did not always rubber-stamp Party deci-
sions.
  February 9, 1934,  pages 14-5: $Fined for Insulting a Jew$ 
reports that a National Socialist in Bavaria was fined 25 Marks 
for sending a Jewish lawyer an official communication addressed 
"To the Jew lawyer..." The Jew sued him and won! This is the sort 
of thing you most definitely will not read about in the hate 
propaganda churned out by ANAL and their fellow travellers.
  February 23, 1934, pages 12-3: $Imprisoned for Threatening a 
Jew$ reports that two nineteen year old artisans were jailed, 
each for a month, for demanding money with menaces from a Jewish 
merchant.
  August 10, 1934, page 12, a Hamburg court ruled that a Jewish 
pauper was entitled to free legal defence, which begs the ques-
tion: why was he a pauper? On the same page, Nazis were said to 
have condemned the desecration of 54 tombstones which were 
smashed when a Jewish cemetery was vandalised. "Our movement wars 
only against living people, not against the dead, who are at 
peace", one Nazi publication is said to have reported. Three 
drunkards were later jailed, one for one year, one for six 
months, one for four months. The incident appears not to have 
been political; the culprits were jailed in accordance with the 
guidelines laid down by Hitler himself.
  November 16, 1934, page 19, $Court Decisions in Favour of Jews$ 
reports that a Nazi stormtrooper who attacked two Jews for no 
reason was jailed for six months. And that when a Jewish firm 
sued an $Aryan$ firm for drawing attention to the ethnic owner-
ship of the former, the court ruled that it was not permissible 
to do so. The Jewish firm was awarded damages!
  November 15, 1935, page 16, a story $Sentences for Blackmailing 
Jews$, reported that a man named Wankerl had been sentenced to 
six weeks' imprisonment for blackmailing a Jew. The accused had 
been connected for a considerable period with a Jewish textile 
firm in Augsburg, but the connection had been severed following a 
sentence imposed on Wankerl for embezzlement. Subsequently, he 
wrote to the proprietor stating that the latter had been guilty 
of telling "atrocity" stories and of planning an evasion of 
currency laws; and asked for a sum of money. The court found that 
there was no proof that the Jew had been guilty of these of-
fences, and considered that $the crime was aggravated by the fact 
that it was a German who was attempting to blackmail a Jew$. 
(Emphasis added).
  Another newspaper reported a similar story. A certain Karl 
Heber, who claimed to be a member of the Nazi Party, asked a 
local Jew for a sum of money, promising to secure him various 
privileges. Heber was subsequently arrested.
  A story $Compensation for Dismissed Jew$ reported the passing 
of a Jewish firm in Frankfort-on-the-Main into $Aryan$ hands and 
the immediate dismissal of a Jewish employee because the owner 
contended that he did not want to keep Jews in his employ. The 
Jewish employee sued, and the court ordered the owner to pay the 
discharged employee three months' salary as compensation, declar-
ing that he should have considered the question of the Jew's 
continued employment while the transfer of the business was being 
negotiated.
  A long article in the September 6, 1935 issue: $GERMANY "Fight 
Jewry Legally" NAZI LEADERS URGE DISCIPLINE Individual Terrorism 
Denounced$ reported that rogue elements were being brought to 
heel. The $Jewish Chronicle$ dismissed this as window-dressing. 
Hitler was said to have strongly disapproved of violence against 
the Jews. A leading Nazi, District leader Telschow, said that 
"All individual action against Jews was forbidden once and for 
all. If a Jew violated the law, he must be handed over to the 
State powers."
  October 25, 1935, page 18, $Five Years for Blackmailing a Jew$ 
reported that an ex-Storm Trooper in Cassel was sentenced to such 
a term for demanding money from a Jew who had relations with his 
fiancee seven years previously. The judge said that "the solution 
of the Jewish question was the task of the State and not of 
private individuals."
  November 22, 1935, page 17 carried the story $PRISON FOR SLAN-
DERING JEWS A Rare Case At Karlsruhe INVITATION TO THE FOREIGN 
PRESS$ in which an $Aryan$ was said to have been sentenced to 8 
months imprisonment for making false charges against the Jewish 
employer of his unmarried niece, and the man's two sons.
  December 13, 1935, page 14, $DISMISSAL OF JEWS Another Court 
Decision$, reported that the Supreme Court had ruled in favour of 
a man of $non-Aryan$ descent dismissed by a private firm. 
  January 3, 1936, page 17, $"INDIVIDUAL ACTION" PUNISHED A 
Welcome Exception$ reported that two Nazis were sentenced to 3 
months in jail for blackmailing and attacking a Jew. As the above 
articles have demonstrated clearly, this was not such an excep-
tion. The same page announced a three month sentence on an 18 
year old Jew for kissing an $Aryan$ girl.
  January 17, 1936, page 17, $Jewish Flag Officially Recognised$ 
reported that the Zionist banner was recognised and "entitled to 
police protection under the Nuremberg laws and the national flag 
regulations."
  On page 18 of the same issue, it was reported that an official 
had called on a Jewish widow of 77 to tell her that the names of 
her two sons who were killed in the (First World) War were to be 
erased from the local war memorial. As no names were given, this 
may have been a black propaganda story, the sort Organised Jewry 
has become notorious for. But, if it is true, then this is as 
sordid an act as any of the "individual acts" of terror carried 
out against Jews by hotheads and zealots.
  The issue for March 13, 1936, page 17 reports "For $sullying 
the purity of the fight against the Jewish people"$  a Nazi 
blackmailer was sentenced to 18 months imprisonment and three 
years loss of civil rights. He had threatened to denounce a 
Jewish tradesman for an alleged offence against German school-
girls in 1926. The $Jewish Chronicle's$ tone was mocking. On page 
18, it was reported that two youths at Cologne were sentenced to 
18 months and one year respectively for blackmailing Jews.
  March 20, 1936, page 20 reports $A WELCOME RARITY Court Sup-
ports Jewish Claim$. A Jewish commercial traveller brought an 
action against a firm which had engaged him for three years in 
January 1935. He was dismissed for being a Jew. (This was after 
the passage of the Nuremberg Laws!) The firm paid him 5,000 marks 
in an out of court settlement. Was this really such a rarity?
  March 27, 1936, page 22 reported that two $Aryans$ were jailed 
for 17 months and 12 months respectively for $Rassenschande$ 
(race pollution). Both men were deprived of their civil rights 
for three years. A 28 year old Jew was acquitted of the same 
offence for insufficient proof. (5)
  I have itemised the foregoing in considerable detail so that 
the reader may attempt to form a more objective picture of the 
status of Jews in the Third Reich. I have no doubt that he will 
be as astonished as I was, but let me repeat, as these reports 
have been extracted from the $Jewish Chronicle$, they can hardly 
be accused of bias towards Nazism. The report of March 27, 1936, 
is, I feel, especially important, because it demonstrates the 
fact that the law for the protection of German blood as articula-
ted in the "crime" of $Rassenschande$, (6) was applied equally to 
non-Jews and Jews. It is just as well to point out here that the 
Jewish religion forbids marrying out, and indeed, miscegenation 
is taboo in many if not all societies, for the obvious reason 
that with miscegenation, the character of that society deterior-
ates, or at the very least, is transformed. (7) This has nothing 
to do with racial prejudice or that most nebulous yet ill-defined 
of evils, $racism$, rather it is simply the understandable desire 
of all peoples to preserve their heritage through their children 
and grandchildren. Whatever that heritage may be.
  All the above may appear to have taken us a long way from 
Holocaust Revisionism, but it was necessary in order to put the 
Nazi persecution of the Jews in context. As far as Jews were 
persecuted in Nazi Germany - and they most certainly were - this 
persecution was, again, done within the framework of anti-Jewish 
legislation. By contrast, the persecution of the Palestinian 
people by the Zionists has been effected totally outside the 
framework of law, and many, many atrocities have been committed 
against the Palestinian people, and their children, such as were 
never contemplated by the Nazis before the outbreak of World War 
Two. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <5005h9$7gc@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:
>         Your second statement was that it was reported in May in the New 
> York Times.  I checked the New York Times for the month and year you 
> suggested.

The "Times" is published in London. On May 8 and May 10 1993 were two small
reports about the ADL's involvement in the spy scam. This has been extensively
reported so please don't tell me you haven't heard of it.

> 
>         Your response was that there was in the "Tulsa World" the previous 
> November.  You also told us that someone named Nathaniel Weyl does not 
> like the ADL and a former member of the U.S. Human Relations Commision 
> did not like them either.  None of these constitutes a statement from the  ADL.
> Tired of running down your red herrings I checked the Tulsa World only to the 
> point of discovering that they are so small they have no Washington bureau 
> and utilize the wire services for their national newsfeeds.  No such story has 
> been carried by the AP, Reuters, or the New York Times services.
> 
>         In short, Lyin' Al, you have yet to produce a single citation to the
>  ADL 
> ever made the charge that 20% of American are anti-Semites.  Moreover, the 
> American news services are unaware that such a charge was ever made.

Check my other post. Check too the works of Alfred Lilienthal. The smears of
groups such as the ADL on ordinary Americans are so well documented that I
 can only assume your request is frivolous.

The United States Human Rights Commission's report on the ADL is reproduced
in full in CRYING WOLF by Laird Wilcox, as is some revealing (now declassified)
correspondence from J. Edgar Hoover.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Lauck gets 4 years
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In article 
           rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca "Rajiv K. Gandhi" writes:

> Liar. Jews were placed into concentration camps, where they were tortured,
> experimented on, and murdered, specifically because they were Jewish.

Not true. There were still Jews in Berlin in 1944. One of the reasons they
could be sent to Auschwitz was for smoking a cigarette in public. Do your
homework before you denounce me as a liar, arsehole.

> Gypsies were placed into the same camps specifically becuase they were
> gypsies. 

Everybody hates gypsies.


?Homosexuals were given the same treatment specifically because
> they were homosexual.

Homosexuality was a criminal offence in Britain until 1967. So what?

> All because your nazi heros needed scapegoats to
> fulfill its hate filled agenda.
If you'd read what I've said about Hitler you wouldn't make such a fool of 
yourself.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
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In article <32243f4d.152828111@news.zilker.net>
           mike@aimetering.com "Mike Curtis" writes:

> Alexander Baron  wrote:
> 
> >  
> >Jews were not interned for being Jewish.
> 
> Then why were they interned?
> 
> > Leaving that aside, two wrongs
> >don't make a right. Chuck fought for nothing, and his comrades died for the
> >same reason.
> >
> 
> The United States was fighting to stop the Germans who had declared
> war in them and their allies.
> 
> Are you always this much of a clutz?

And to replace the tyranny of Hitler with the tyranny of Clinton.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
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In article <5035g7$slf@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


> The slight factual content of
>  his 
> post show only that Lyin' Al was aware:
> 
>         1.  That the Federal Reserve System is not a single entity 
> but is composed of 12 banks and a board of governors.

Conspiracy theorists such as Gary Allen claim that the New York bank is the
real power and that the others are white elephants. Allen's book - right or
wrong - was endorsed by at least one leading American Jewish conservative.
 
>         2.  That those banks are owned by the "national" banks in the region 
> in which they operate and the board of governors is appointed by the president.
> 
>         3.  That the charge that the Federal Reserve is owned by eight banks 
> is a "fantasy."
> 
>         It should be noted that the post which began those thread was wrong 
> and that Lyin' Al agreed with the main facts of that post.  He disagreed only
>  with 
> the statement that Jews owned those banks.
> 
>         The "Phamphlet" that Lyin' Al is selling is pathetic even by his low 
> standards.

On the contrary it contains a detailed rebuttal of many anti-Semitic fallacies
and was reviewed favourably by LOBSTER, the parapolitics magazine.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:11:03 -0600
To: A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk
From: comminc@fortnet.org (Committee to Restore the Constitution)
Subject: Re: The Fed
Status: R

>August 29, 1996
====================
Following information forwarded to you from Col Roberts
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                           THE FEDERAL RESERVE

                           by Thomas D. Schauf

                              [Part 1 of 3]


Acknowledgements:

Our country likes to thank our forefathers for the Constitution.

I wish to thank Mr. Lou Gamboa for his research of the Constitution and our
banking system.  Lou Gamboa is a national speaker on the subject, and has
spoken on numerous radio programs in an effort to educate the public.

I also want to thank Bob Corcoran for his research and encouragement.

I applaud the thousands of patriotic Americans who are spreading the word
so we can live in economic prosperity and uphold our Constitutional rights.

---------------------------------

ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8 OF THE CONSTITUTION STATES THAT CONGRESS SHALL HAVE
THE POWER TO COIN (CREATE) MONEY AND REGULATE THE VALUE THEREOF.

IN 1935 THE SUPREME COURT RULED THAT CONGRESS CANNOT CONSTITUTIONALLY
DELEGATE ITS POWER TO ANOTHER GROUP. (Reference 22, P. 168)

Rothschild, a London Banker, wrote a letter saying "It (Central Bank )
gives the National Bank almost complete control of national finance.  The
few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits,
or so dependent on its favours, that there will be no opposition from that
class... The great body of the people, mentally incapable of comprehending,
will bear its burden without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting
that the system is inimical (contrary) to their interests."  [The bankers
created the legislation for the FED]

In 1913, before the Senate Banking and Currency Committee, Mr. Alexander
stated: "But the whole scheme of a Federal Reserve Bank with its
commercial-paper basis is an impractical, cumbersome machinery, is simply a
cover, to find a way to secure the privilege of issuing money and to evade
payment of as much tax upon circulation as possible, and then control the
issue and maintain, instead of reduce, interest rates.  It is a system
that, if inaugurated, will prove to the advantage of the few and the
detriment of the people of the United States.  It will mean continued
shortage of actual money and further extension of credits; for when there
is a lack of real money people have to borrow credit to their cost."

---------------------

Dear American:

Pursuant to your request, I will attempt to clear up questions you have
about the Federal Reserve Bank (FED).  I spent much time researching the
FED and these are the shocking and revealing conclusions.

THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK IS A PRIVATE COMPANY.  Article 1, Section 8 of the
Constitution states that Congress shall have the power to coin (create)
money and regulate the value thereof.  Today however, the FED, which is a
privately owned company, controls and profits by printing money through the
Treasury, and regulating its value.

The FED began with approximately 300 people or banks that became owners
(stockholders purchasing stock at $100 per share - the stock is not
publicly traded) in the Federal Reserve Banking System.  They make up an
international banking cartel of wealth beyond comparison (Reference 1, 14).
The FED banking system collects billions of dollars (Reference 8, 17) in
interest annually and distributes the profits to its shareholders.  The
Congress illegally gave the FED the right to print money (through the
Treasury) at no interest to the FED.  The FED creates money from nothing,
and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on our
currency.  The FED also buys Government debt with money printed on a
printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest.  Many Congressmen and
Presidents say this is fraud (Reference 1,2,3,5,17).

Who actually owns the Federal Reserve Central Banks?  The ownership of the
12 Central banks, a very well kept secret, has been revealed:

Rothschild Bank of London
Warburg Bank of Hamburg
Rothschild Bank of Berlin
Lehman Brothers of New York
Lazard Brothers of Paris
Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
Goldman, Sachs of New York
Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
(Reference 14, P. 13, Reference 12, P. 152)

These bankers are connected to London Banking Houses which ultimately
control the FED.  When England lost the Revolutionary War with America (our
forefathers were fighting their own government), they planned to control us
by controlling our banking system, the printing of our money, and our debt
(Reference 4, 22).

The individuals listed below owned banks which in turn owned shares in the
FED.  The banks listed below have significant control over the New York FED
District, which controls the other 11 FED Districts.  These banks also are
partly foreign owned and control the New York FED District Bank.
(Reference 22)

First National Bank of New York
James Stillman
National City Bank, New York
Mary W. Harnman
National Bank of Commerce, New York
A.D. Jiullard
Hanover National Bank, New York
Jacob Schiff
Chase National Bank, New York
Thomas F. Ryan
Paul Warburg
William Rockefeller
Levi P. Morton
M.T. Pyne
George F. Baker
Percy Pyne
Mrs. G.F. St. George
J.W. Sterling
Katherine St. George
H.P. Davidson
J.P. Morgan (Equitable Life/Mutual Life)
Edith Brevour T. Baker
(Reference 4 for above, Reference 22 has details, P. 92, 93, 96, 179)

How did it happen?  After previous attempts to push the Federal Reserve Act
through Congress, a group of bankers funded and staffed Woodrow Wilson's
campaign for President.  He had committed to sign this act.  In 1913, a
Senator, Nelson Aldrich, maternal grandfather to the Rockefellers, pushed
the Federal Reserve Act through Congress just before Christmas when much of
Congress was on vacation (Reference 3, 4, 5).  When elected, Wilson passed
the FED.  Later, Wilson remorsefully replied (referring to the FED), "I
have unwittingly ruined my country" (Reference 17, P. 31).  Now the banks
financially back sympathetic candidates.  Not surprisingly, most of these
candidates are elected (Reference 1, P. 208-210, Reference 12, P. 235,
Reference 14, P. 36).  The bankers employ members of the Congress on
weekends (nickname T&T club -out Thursday...-in Tuesday) with lucrative
salaries (Reference 1, P. 209).  Additionally, the FED started buying up
the media in the 1930's and now owns or significantly influences most of it
(Reference 3, 10, 11, P. 145).

Presidents Lincoln, Jackson, and Kennedy tried to stop this family of
bankers by printing U.S. dollars without charging the taxpayers interest
(Reference 4).  Today, if the government runs a deficit, the FED prints
dollars through the U.S. Treasury, buys the debt, and the dollars are
circulated into the economy.  In 1992, taxpayers paid the FED banking
system $286 billion in interest on debt the FED purchased by printing money
virtually cost free (Reference 12, P. 265).  Forty percent of our personal
federal income taxes goes to pay this interest.  The FED's books are not
open to the public.  Congress has yet to audit it.

Congressman Wright Patman was Chairman of the House of Representatives
Committee on Banking and Currency for 40 years.  For 20 of those years, he
introduced legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Banking Act of 1913.
Congressman Henry Gonzales, Chairman of a banking committee, introduces
legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Banking Act of 1913 nearly every
year.  It's always defeated, the media remains silent, and the public never
learns the truth.  The same bankers who own the FED control the media and
give huge political contributions to sympathetic members of Congress
(Reference 12, P. 155-163, Reference 22, P. 158, 159, 166).  THE FED FEARS
THE POPULATION WILL BECOME AWARE OF THIS FRAUD AND DEMAND CHANGE.

We, the People, are at fault for being passive and allowing this to continue.

Rep. Louis T. McFadden (R. Pa.) rose from office boy to become cashier and
then President of the First National Bank in Canton Ohio.  For 12 years he
served as Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency, making him one
of the foremost financial authorities in America.  He fought continuously
for fiscal integrity and a return to constitutional government (Reference
1).  The following are portions of Rep. McFadden's speech, quoted from the
Congressional Record, pages 12595-12603:

"THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD, A GOVERNMENT BOARD, HAS CHEATED THE GOVERNMENT
OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OUT OF ENOUGH
MONEY TO PAY THE NATIONAL DEBT.  The depredations and the iniquities of the
Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks acting together have
cost this country ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY THE NATIONAL DEBT SEVERAL TIMES
OVER."

About the Federal Reserve banks, Rep. McFadden said, "They are private
credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the
benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic
speculators and swindlers; the rich and predatory money lenders.  This is
an era of economic misery and for the reasons that caused that misery, the
Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks are fully liable."

On the subject of media control he state, "Half a million dollars was spent
on one part of the propaganda organized by those same European bankers for
the purpose of misleading public opinion in regard to it."

Rep. McFadden continued, "Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve
Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has
USURPED THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES.  IT CONTROLS EVERYTHING HERE
AND IT CONTROLS ALL OUR FOREIGN RELATIONS.  IT MAKES AND BREAKS GOVERNMENTS
AT WILL.  No man and no body of men is more entrenched in power than the
arrogant credit monopoly which operates the Federal Reserve Board and the
Federal Reserve banks.  These evil-doers have robbed this country of more
than enough money to pay the national debt.  What the Government has
permitted the Federal Reserve Board to steal from the people should now be
restored to the people."

"Our people's money to the extent of $1,200,000,000 has within the last few
months been shipped abroad to redeem Federal Reserve Notes and to pay other
gambling debts of the traitorous Federal Reserve Board and the Federal
Reserve banks.  The greater part of our monetary stock has been shipped to
foreigners.  Why should we promise to pay the debts of foreigners to
foreigners?  Why should American Farmers and wage earners add millions of
foreigners to the number of their dependents?  Why should the Federal
Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks be permitted to finance our
competitors in all parts of the world?"  Rep. McFadden asked.

"The Federal Reserve Act should be repealed and the Federal Reserve banks,
having violated their charters, should be liquidated immediately.
FAITHLESS GOVERNMENT OFFICERS WHO HAVE VIOLATED THEIR OATHS SHOULD BE
IMPEACHED AND BROUGHT TO TRIAL", Rep. McFadden concluded (Reference 1,
contains an entire chapter on Rep. McFadden's speech).

If the media is unbiased, independent and completely thorough, why haven't
they discussed the FED?  Currently, half the states have at least a grass
roots movement in action to abolish the FED, but there's no press
coverage.  In July, 1968, the House Banking Subcommittee reported that
Rockefeller, through Chase Manhattan Bank, controlled 5.9% of the stock in
CBS.  Furthermore, the bank had gained interlocking directorates with ABC.
In 1974, Congress issued a report stating that the Chase Manhattan Bank's
stake in CBS rose to 14.1% and NBC to 4.5% (through RCA, the parent company
of NBC).  The same report said that the Chase Manhattan Bank held stock in
28 broadcasting firms.  After this report, the Chase Manhattan Bank
obtained 6.7% of ABC, and today the percentage could be much greater.  It
only requires 5% ownership to significantly influence the media (Reference
14, P. 56-57).  This is only one of 300 wealthy shareholders of the FED.
It is believed other FED owners have similar holdings in the media.  To
control the media, FED bankers call in their loans if the media disagrees
with them (Reference 25, P. 134-137).

Rockefeller also controls the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the sole
purpose of which is to aid in stimulating greater interest in foreign
affairs and in a one world government.  Nearly every major newscaster
belongs to the Council on Foreign Relations.  The Council on Foreign
Relations controls many major newspapers and magazines.  Additionally,
major corporations owned by FED shareholders are the source of huge
advertising revenues which surely would influence the media (Reference 14,
P. 56-59).  It can be no wonder why groups such as FED-UP(tm) receive
minimal, if any, press attention.

How do taxpayers stop financing those whose purpose it is to destroy us?
First, expose their activity, then demand change.


                              THE SOLUTION:

Currently all we do is exchange FED money (interest attached)
for real U.S. money (interest-free) dollar for dollar as Kennedy
tried to do.  We should not be required to pay interest on our own
currency.  According to Benjamin Franklin, this was one of the primary
reasons we fought the Revolutionary War.  Today we are still fighting the
same family of bankers (Reference 4, Reference 1, P. 211, 212).

The U.S. Government can buy back the FED at any time for $450 million (per
Congressional record).  The U.S. Treasury could then collect all the profit
on our money instead of the 300 original shareholders of the FED.  The $4
trillion of U.S. debt could be exchanged dollar for dollar with U.S. non-
interest bearing currency when the debt becomes due.  There would be no
inflation because there would be no additional currency in circulation.
Personal income tax could be cut if we bought back the FED and therefore,
the economy would expand.  According to the Constitution, Congress is to
control the creation of money, keeping the amount of inflation or deflation
in check.  If Congress isn't doing their job, they should be voted out of
office.  Unfortunately, voters can't vote the FED or its Chairman out of
office.

If the government has a deficit, we could handle it as Lincoln and Kennedy
did.  Print money and circulate it into the economy, but this time
interest-free.  Today the FED, through foreign banks, owns much of our debt
and therefore controls us.  The FED will cease to exist as taxpayers become
informed and tell other taxpayers.  The news media and Congress will have
no choice but to meet the demands of grass roots America. (Reference 1, P.
17, 22)


                             AMERICA DECEIVED

By law (check the Congressional record), we can buy back the FED for the
original investment of the FED's 300 shareholders, which is $450 million
(Reference 1, P. 227, Reference 17, P. 36).  If each taxpayer paid $25, we
could buy back the FED and all the profit would flow into the U.S.
Treasury.  In other words, by Congress allowing the constitutionally
illegal FED to continue, much of your taxes go to the shareholders of the
FED and their bankers.  Note: The people who enacted the FED started the
IRS, within months of the FED's inception.  The FED buys U.S. debt with
money they printed from nothing, then charges the U.S. taxpayers interest.
The government had to create income tax to pay the interest expense to the
FED's shareholders, but the income tax was never legally passed (Reference
20 shows details, state-by-state why it was not legally passed).  The FED
is illegal, per Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution.
Not one state legally ratified the 16th Amendment making income tax legal.
Currently, fewer and fewer Americans are being convicted for refusal to pay
income taxes.  In IRS jury trials, the jury, by law, must decide if the law
is just.  If taxpayers do not believe the law is just, the jury may declare
the accused innocent.  Judges are legally bound to inform juries of their
right to determine the fairness of a law.  Judges often do not disclose
this information so they can control the court outcome.  Luckily, more and
more citizens are becoming informed.  If one juror feels the law is unfair,
they can find the defendant innocent (Reference 19).  In Utah, the IRS quit
prosecuting taxpayers because jurors verdict is not guilty.  Please tell
your friends and sit in the next jury.

If we eliminate the FED and uphold the Constitution, we could balance the
budget and cut personal income tax to almost nothing.  In Congressional
hearings on September 30, 1941, FED Chairman Eccles admitted that the FED
creates new money from thin air (printing press), and loans it back to us
at interest (Reference 17, P. 93).  On June 6, 1960, FED President Mr.
Allen admitted essentially the same thing (Reference 22, P. 164).  If you
or I did this we would go to jail.

It is time to abolish the FED!  Tell your friends the truth and win America
back.  We don't even need to buy back the FED.  We only need to print money
the way the Constitution requires, not the new proposed international
money.  We want to keep our sovereignty and print real U.S. money.  Why has
Congress allowed the FED to continue?  If a Congressperson tries to abolish
the FED, the banks fund the Congressperson's opponent in the next election
(Reference 17, P. 35).  The new Congressperson will obviously support the
FED.  When Congresspeople retire, political campaign funds are not taxed.
Get elected and be a millionaire if you vote right.  By the way, the profit
of the FED is not taxed either (Reference 1, 9).  Once America understands,
and takes action, Congresspeople will then gladly abolish the FED.  In
1992, Illinois Congressman Crane introduced a bill, co-sponsored by 40
other Congressman, to audit the FED.  This is a step in the right
direction.

America is a great nation.  As "We the People" become informed, the media
and Congress will be forced to buy back the FED, balance the budget,
significantly cut taxes, and stop allowing bribes to determine voting
strategies.  I have already heard from politicians who claim they will
change their platform to include abolishing the FED if enough people become
informed.


                   IT IS UP TO YOU TO INFORM THE PEOPLE.

The FED hopes you will be passive and not act on this information.  We
believe in grass roots America - we are waking up America.  Ultimately, the
battle plan is to inform all Americans and demand change in the media and
Congress.  True Americans should run for office and throw out the
politicians who allow this fraud to continue.  Congress may refuse to deal
with this issue.  That's why each person needs to go to their local
county/state government with the proper paperwork and ask them to abolish
the FED.  With the proper documents, they are legally obligated to do it.
WE NEED LEADERS TO BEGIN THIS ACTION.  WILL YOU HELP?

Consider this fact.  Most of the given sources in this booklet show how the
blood line of family bankers who own the FED funded both sides of all
major wars.  They created fake colonial money to destroy the Americans
during the Revolutionary War and tried to finance both sides in the
American Civil War.  Abraham Lincoln refused and the South accepted.  Many
publications show that these bankers financed World War I, World War II,
and the Russian Revolutionary War, which helped Napoleon, Lenin, and Hitler
come to power.  They financed both sides from money created from nothing
and profited greatly.  These same bankers created a number of American
depressions to change the U.S. legislation and seize our wealth.  Read the
sources for details.  This is why our forefathers wrote in the Constitution
that only Congress can issue money - not private banks (Reference 18).
More wars create more debt which means more profit to the bankers
(Reference 1, 21).  These bankers planned three world wars so people would
welcome United Nations intervention to govern the world in peace, not war.
(Reference 22 gives specific details on World War I and World War II,
showing exactly how the bankers were responsible for the beginning and
continuation of these wars for their profit).

The banks have publicly announced they will force us to a cashless society
by 1997.  Furthermore, they plan to create a one world government through
the United Nations headed by the FED, Trilaterals, and the Council on
Foreign Relations (Reference 3).  By the definition of treason, they have
committed treason!  This means you lose your rights under the Constitution
and Bill of Rights.  Does this sound far fetched?  Twenty-four U.S.
Senators (two of them presidential candidates, Harkin & Tsongas) and 80
Representatives have signed a "Declaration of Interdependence."  This
Declaration, designed to make a one world government, is treason to the
oath of office they took.  The media remained silent.  The FED announced
publicly that their first objective was to get nationalism out of the
American people's heads because patriotism to a country would not be of
value in the future.  The media makes us think the U.N. has all the
answers, and to "think globally."  Congress passed a law stopping certain
individuals from being tried for this treason (Reference 6, Reference 1, P.
191-198).  Why pass this law if no treason was committed?  State Department
document 7277 calls for the disarming of America, thus turning our
sovereignty over to a one-world government.  Again, the media is pushing to
eliminate guns.  Our forefathers believed that the right to bear arms would
prevent a takeover of our government.  History shows that before any
government took over, they disarmed the citizens.  Hitler did it, and
before our Revolutionary War, King George told us to disarm - good thing we
didn't!

Under the Federal Reserve Bank Act, the bankers control our economy.  The
FED controls interest rates and the amount of money in the economy.  These
factors determine either economic prosperity or the lack thereof.  Bankers
are now pushing for a one world government and a cashless society.  Why
cashless?  No cash means no money for drugs, no theft, and the ability to
collect taxes on the underground economy.  Anyone who wouldn't support a
cashless society must be a drug dealer, thief, or tax evader, right?  What
a cashless society really means is the banks can now control you.  Today
you fear the IRS.  In a cashless society, if you disagree with the bankers'
political goals, you'll find your money gone via computer error.  (For
additional information on a cashless society, read Reference 13, P. 174;
Reference 3; Reference 14, P. 9-12; Reference 15, P. 136; Reference 25, P.
216).

If you could accurately predict future interest rates, inflation and
deflation, you would know when to buy or sell stocks and make a bundle of
money.  The FED has secret meetings (per Congressional Record) to determine
future interest rates and the amount of money to be printed.  The
Securities Exchange Commission (SEC) by law, stops insiders from profiting
by privileged information.  Congressional records prove that FED bankers
routinely hold secret meetings to profit by manipulating the stock market
via interest rates and the amount of money they create.  FED bankers also
profit greatly from economic disasters like the Depression (Reference 22,
P. 56).  The bankers create inflation, sell their stocks before the market
crashes, then buy up stocks at cheaper prices.  Bankers admitted this to
Congress.  This violates the law, yet Congress does not act because these
bankers are large political contributors (Reference 17, P. 96-98; Reference
1, P. 162-163; Reference 22, P. 114-170 & P. 136).  Thomas Jefferson
predicted this scenario if we ever allowed a private bank, like the FED, to
create our currency (Reference 1, P. 247).

FED Chairman Burns states "Killing can be made simply by knowing the next
few months newspapers ahead of time."  Congressman Patman said "The FED
officials own more than 100 million dollars (of stocks) while making
decisions influencing these stock prices..." (Reference 24, P. 123).
History proves that banks profit from bankrupting a nation (Reference 22,
P. 56).

Congress consistently defeats balanced budget amendments.  In the past 30
years, Congress has raised our taxes 56 times and balanced the budget only
once.  We need the sound banking system our forefathers wanted us to have.
History proves that banking systems like the FED don't work.  Major world
powers have been destroyed over similar banking systems (Reference 1).  If
we don't change this system NOW, in five years the only thing our taxes
will pay is the interest on the national debt.

Section 7 of the Federal Reserve Act, passed December 23, 1913, states that
much of the profit of the FED should flow into the U.S. Treasury.  In 1959,
new legislation allowed the FED to transfer bonds to commercial banks at no
cost to the bank.  Now the FED receives less interest income and less
profit for the U.S. Treasury because the money is diverted to other banks
through an accounting entry (Reference 17, P. 115-130).  Congress and the
IRS do not have access to the financial records of the FED.  Every year
Congress introduces legislation to audit the FED, and every year it is
defeated.  The FED banking system could easily be netting 100s of billions
in profit each year.  Through "creative accounting" profit can easily be
reclassified as expense (Reference 14, P. 20, Reference 17, P. 239).
Within the first few years, the shareholders of the FED received their
initial investment back with no risk.  All the income is tax-free, except
for property tax, according to the Federal Reserve Act.  When are the
profits of the FED going to start flowing into the Treasury so that average
Americans are no longer burdened with excessive, unnecessary taxes?
Clearly, Congress cannot or will not control the FED.  IT IS TIME TO
ABOLISH IT!


3 WAYS TO ABOLISH THE FED AND ISSUE MONEY PER THE UNITED STATES
CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8:

*   Buy back the FED and have the U.S. Government collect all profits.

*   Abolish the FED by printing real U.S. dollars as President Kennedy
    attempted (Executive Order 11.110, 1963) (Reference 4).

*   Request your county/state to use their Constitutional powers to abolish
    the FED.  This is the BEST SOLUTION.  Nearly half the states are
    attempting or considering this action (Reference 5).  Congress has had
    80 years to follow the Constitution, and has refused to abolish the
    illegal FED.  The state/county effort is working faster than any other
    method.  We need your support to start a local chapter of FED-UP(tm) Inc.
    and petition your county.



                THE WRONG SOLUTION THAT HAS FAILED FOR 80 YEARS:

Congress and the media may want to require the FED to return the required
profits into the U.S. Treasury (per the Federal Reserve Act, 1913).  The
problem is that with "creative accounting" techniques, profit can be easily
masked as expense.  The FED has expensed items illegally to lower profit
(Reference 17).

"We the People" have pushed the following states to pass or introduce
legislation calling for an end to the FED: Arizona, Washington, Arkansas,
Idaho, Oregon, Indiana, and Texas.  We still need your signatures on
petitions, even if you live in these states.  Many other states are
considering such action due to your petitions.  These states and a few
honest Congresspeople are powerless until all Americans become informed and
demand change.  Please pass out the petition.  Once we demand change, the
media will have to report the whole truth and not just push their own
agenda.  FED-UP(tm) challenges the media to expose the facts on prime time
talk shows or news programs.

By abolishing the FED, we would not pay interest on Federal Reserve Notes.
Until it is abolished, the FED has a monopoly on profit on our currency and
whether our money supply will be increased or decreased, inflation or
depression.  The banks are capable of controlling business by controlling
ywho can or cannot obtain a loan.


WE'VE DONE OUR PART - NOW IT IS UP TO YOU TO SPREAD THE WORD.  Please take
the brochure (Cutting taxes $6,000 per family per year) to VFW, Moose/Elk
Lodges, Bars, Union Halls, Churches, and Association groups.  Make copies
of the "single-page" brochure for everyone at work and ask your friends to
do the same.  Ask small business owners in your community to tell other
business owners and spread the brochure and petition through the local
Chamber of Commerce.  CPAs should be interested in saving their clients
taxes.  Ask your CPA to mail the brochure and petition out to his/her
clients.  Upon receiving this petition, many presidents of large
corporations made this brochure and petition available to all employees.
Once people are informed, we can force a change.  People will have more
money to spend, the economy will be strong, and we can keep our
Constitutional rights, liberties, and freedoms.

Contact your library for the names and addresses of your local and federal
Congresspeople.  MAIL THEM AN ENVELOPE WITHOUT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS
ATTACHED.  In the envelope, say "FED-UP(tm) Inc.  Abolish the FED."  Also
enclose one teabag (Boston Tea Party).  Ask your friends to do the same
(give them the addresses).  Politicians are aware of the "Teabag Protest."
If you don't mail it in, they're going to believe that we're not organized
or we just don't care.  IF YOU DON'T DO IT NO ONE ELSE WILL!  Many
Congresspeople want to make this change, but can't without the support of
the people.


                          [End of Part 1 of 3]

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 31 10:04:15 PDT 1996
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In article <505n7r$grg@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> >  In article 
> >             rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca "Rajiv K. Gandhi" writes:
> >  
> >  > Liar. Jews were placed into concentration camps, where they were tortured,
> >  > experimented on, and murdered, specifically because they were Jewish.
> >  
> >  Not true. There were still Jews in Berlin in 1944. One of the reasons they
> >  could be sent to Auschwitz was for smoking a cigarette in public. Do your
> >  homework before you denounce me as a liar, arsehole.
> 
>         And when you do your research you will come to a simple conclusion:
> 
>         Al Baron is a liar.
> 
>         --YFE
> 
My sources for this are the Jewish Chronicle and Reitlinger. 

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