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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Jul  1 09:07:59 PDT 1996
Article: 47341 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: truer than true testimony
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 17:52:37 GMT
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In article <4qknu3$i1n@atlas.uniserve.com>
           hostrov@uniserve.com "Hilary Ostrov" writes:

> >It contains a very small quantity of an enormous amount of extremely
> >dubious testimony.
> 
> And in your "expert opinion", having read the book (and/or testimony)
> with your famous "policeman's eye" as you no doubt have, why should
> one consider this testimony "extremely dubious"?  Remember, Mr. Baron,
> in your own immortal words: "He who asserts, must prove."  

That was actually the opinion of the spirited defence counsel: no show trial
this, or if it was, nobody told Kramer's legal team. 
> 
> Of course, I'm sure you will appreciate that, in view of the
> above-noted error in attribution on your part, we simply cannot accept
> your customary Because! I! Say! So! response as "proof" of anything.

Have you studied the testimony of the Belsen trial? Much of it was totally
contradictory: the affidavits did not correspond with  the evidence, and 
almost everybody lied. Furthermore, a lot of those on trial were not SS but
prisoners, including one Jewish inmate (who was acquitted). I got the impression
that the convictions were given on the basis of ordinary sorts of brutalities.

 

-- 
Alexander Baron


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Jul  2 22:15:50 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron exposes shameless Jewish Holocaust liars
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In article <4qnf8n$als@access4.digex.net>
           mstein@access4.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
> 
>     Um.  There are two at least that I can remember.  You did not notice
> that Kitty Hart's writing indicated the story of the baby surviving the
> gassing was hearsay - the way you first presented her story you made it
> sound as if she had made an unequivocal claim of being a direct
> eyewitness.  She did not.

Read what I said Michael. The Kitty Hart reference was published in my book
HOLOCAUST DENIAL: NEW NAZI LIE or NEW INQUISITION? The mistake was corrected in
WHY BRITAIN'S POLICE AREN'T WORTH A JEWISH FINGERNAIL.
> 
>     The second was your reading of Bendel's testimony.  You read it as
> being five killed by a signle bullet passing through all five.  I read it
> as the victims being lined up in rows of five but one bullet being used on
> _each_ of them.  At the very least, the writing is ambiguous.  And I do
> remember that you repeated the claim of five on a bullet after I had
> warned you that the interpretation was debatable.

The Bendel quote has not been published, only discussed here. I have done 
further research on this since - from original source documents - and stand
by what I said. I will be posting a lengthy refutation of all Keren's lies
probably sometime in the autumn.


-- 
Alexander Baron


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Jul  3 07:37:33 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: New whopper of the week: Negroes invented Fire!
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In article <4r5pc2$1irg@mule2.mindspring.com>
           tuppy@nash.mindspring.com "rand " writes:
 
> Hello Baron,  So let me get this right.  You are saying that Black
> African's killed another tribe and then killed themselves?  Or did the
> original Black inhabitants of South Africa commit suicide? Either way,
> you have just said "The original inbabitants were all but wiped out by
> blacks later."  See, we agree.  The Black Africans were there first.
> 

Are you a natural prick or do you have to practice? The original inhabitants
of South Africa were not Negroes, rather they were wiped out by the Negroes
in much the same way as the Tasmanians were wiped out by the whites. This was
before Nazis were even thought of.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Jul  3 18:48:46 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: New whopper of the week: Negroes invented Fire!
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In article 
           Peter@brentano.demon.co.uk "Peter" writes:

> I _am_ surprised that we can delve into _pre_history and determine _who_
> developed _fire_, Alexander.  What is your view? 

Fire making precedes the human species as we know it today. The question 
wasn't who developed fire but who didn't develop a written language.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Jul  3 19:42:30 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The professor and his eyewitnesses
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> > The four million figure appeared in print as early as May 8, 1945. It has been> > repeatedly mindlessly - and not so mindlessly - since. I have found one 
> > reference to it based clearly on "eyewitness" testimony. Doubtless there are 
> > others also.
> 
> And this "one reference" is? Was it the basis for the Soviet Commision's
> estimate? 
> 
> Doubtless, you err, Al. 

Doubtless not. There are other uses of this figure, some of them bordering on
the absurd.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Jul  4 19:54:55 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: What is "chutzpah"?
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In article <4re3eu$8if@tom.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
> 1) Please justify your claim that 100% of public advocacy of corporal
> punishment has come from Jews.  (You can start by explaining away the
> bills introduced in several state legislatures over the past two years,
> calling for corporal punishment for vandalism and similar crimes.)
> 
> 2) Please reflect, for a moment, on the even more astonishing fact that
> 100% of these "calls" have come from just two people -- who, in total,
> comprise only one one-hundred-millionth of the U.S. population.  Omigod!

Well, look what the cat dragged in. Hello Mr anti-Zionist Klein, how are
semantics, discourse and sophistry this season?

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Jul  6 17:02:14 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: No gas chamber in the old reich, sorry!
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> 
> Dr. Broszat does say that there was no gas chamber in Buchenwald,
> and that the one in Dachau was never finished. 
> 
> Then, we have the famous "revisionist extrapolation" in action, 
> extending Dachau and Buchenwald to mean "all camps in the 'Old Reich'".

Dan, Dan, Dan, I did not say the Old Reich, I said Dachau. You admit then
that he claimed there were no gassings in Dachau? Yes? This is progress.
> 
> There were homicidal gas chambers in other camps: Mauthausen, Neuengamme,
> Natzweiler and others. It is true that they were not used for mass
> murder on the scale of Treblinka, Auschwitz etc.; in Natzweiler, for
> instance, only about 200 victims were gassed.

Pressac says 86 but what's 114 corpses between friends?

>This is long before the alleged 
> "difficulties in transportation towards the end of the war", that our 
> lying "revisionists" blame for the deaths in these camps.

Lying who, Dan? Who is lying about Dachau? Hmmm?

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Jul  6 17:02:15 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: What are your views of Jews?
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In article <4rf1nh$eev@newsbf02.news.aol.com> sf924@aol.com "SF924" writes:

> Since all of the revisionists steadfastly deby hating Jews or advocating
> killing them,  what is the revisionist view of the Jew?  What is the Jew's
> place in society?  Does a Jew have rights including the right to live?  If
> you were the absolute ruler of the world today, what would you do with or
> to the Jews?

This is typical Exterminationist sophistry; most people (including Revisionists)
don't hate "the Jews" but they are utterly sick to death of their whining 
and wailing.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Jul  8 08:50:45 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: No gas chamber in the old reich, sorry!
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> And Dr. Blaha, who performed autopsies for Rascher, _did_ say that
> homicidal gassings took place in Barracke-X.  This too is "progress."  

I posted a lengthy thread on this some time back. What Dr Blaha said has the
same value as what O'Grady said. There are people who say Jesus lives on 
the planet Venus, that doesn't mena this claim has a gramme of merit.

> 
> > > There were homicidal gas chambers in other camps: Mauthausen, Neuengamme,
> > > Natzweiler and others. It is true that they were not used for mass
> > > murder on the scale of Treblinka, Auschwitz etc.; in Natzweiler, for
> > > instance, only about 200 victims were gassed.
> > 
> > Pressac says 86 but what's 114 corpses between friends?
> > 
> > >This is long before the alleged 
> > > "difficulties in transportation towards the end of the war", that our 
> > > lying "revisionists" blame for the deaths in these camps.
> > 
> > Lying who, Dan? Who is lying about Dachau? Hmmm?
> 
> "Hmmm" indeed! 


More innuendo. I notice that Mr Giwer's constant reposts of the Dachau
quote from the IMT has been methodically ignored. Like all the evidence that
refutes your officially sanctioned lies.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Jul  8 08:50:46 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: SS-Obersturmfuehrer Franz Hoessler Testifies About Auschwitz
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:


> 
> I made many complaints to Hoess about the way people were being sent to
> the gas chamber, but I was told it was not my business.

Yawn, bore. Not this yet again, Dan.

Hoessler: Honestly judge, I didn't approve of the gassings. Hey, there's
even a woman named Schopf come here to tell the court what a great guy I 
am and how I constantly saved women from the gas chamber. Irma Grese will tell
you that, too.


Grese: Ja, in Auschwitz Jews were used as Gestapo spies, zey had special
privileges. Von day I saved a whole tranche of children from ze gas chamber
but ze Jews grassed me up to ze camp commandant. Please can I go home now?

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Phenol or Gas
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In article <4rl3ln$ilv@juliana.sprynet.com> jbelling@sprynet.com  writes:

> No offense intended, but why were the nazis experimenting with phenol shots in
>  1942, after they 
> already supposedly knew how quickly zyklon could kill?  It's somewhat of a non
>  sequitor, isn't it?

Only an anti-Semite would ask such a question. Isn't that right, Dan? 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4roq3u$nf3@access4.digex.net>
           mstein@access4.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

>     I have never seen any challenge to those trials that the evidence was
> falsified or produced by torture.  The only excuse I have seen is the
> "Staeglich excuse" - that all of the defendants who confessed to gassing
> were, without exception, lying because they were sure they'd be convicted
> no matter what, and went along to escape more severe punishment if they
> showed their lack of remorse by telling the truth (what the "revisionists"
> claim is the truth, that is) and denying that there was any gassing.  The
> excuse then goes that they could not deny the gassings afterwards because
> of laws against Holocaust denial.
> 


There is a bit more to it than that. Most of these guys had been on remand
for three or more years. A trial that lasts for 20 months, any sort of trial,
is absolutely hopeless. There are often complaints in complex fraud cases that
last for months that the jury can't take everything in. At the Auschwitz Trial
most of the defendants used the same old excuse please sir it wasn't me. Baer
didn't come to trial; he died in custody having denied gassings. Having read
some of the testimony I can only say I find it not very credible; neither did
Hannah Arendt although for obvious reasons she didn't go as far as us
Revisionists.

>     - Why did the witnesses all lie, even fellow SS men?  Why didn't they
> say they didn't remember whether so-and-so was involved, rather than help
> send innocent men to jail?  Surely the perjury-proof "I can't recall" 
> answer was not invented by American politicians? 

The judge actually accused them of all lying!

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: New whopper of the week: Negroes invented Fire!
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In article 
           Peter@brentano.demon.co.uk "Peter" writes:
> Question: Which 'race'  is recorded as the
> first to develop written language, and were they white?

There is no human race; there is a human species. 
> 
> Question: From whence does our system of numbering come?

The Arabs, I believe.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Jul  9 14:22:32 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: No gas chamber in the old reich, sorry!
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> Oh, yes, Al, I seem to remember you bad-mouthing Blaha. And Bendal, and
> Nyiszli, and Hart, and....

Blaha was a transparent liar, Bendel a fantasist, Nyiszli did not give evidence
anywhere and Hart's ghost written book is not worth the paper it is printed on.
> 
> Al, it seems like you have this seedy habit of bad-mouthing any eyewitness
> to Nazi atrocities at the drop of a hat. Needless to say, you have not
> provided any rational argument for, nor substantive rebuttal against, such
> testimonies. 

I have indeed provided substantive refutations, certainly of Hart. Ask Mike
Stein about my analysis in my "tribute" to Britain's police.

> >I notice that Mr Giwer's constant reposts of the Dachau
> > quote from the IMT has been methodically ignored. Like all the evidence that
> > refutes your officially sanctioned lies.
> 
> Maybe that's because the Troll is being ignored because he is an
> unmitigated liar and a fraud? That his rants aren't even worth paying
> attention to because they are so insane? Perhaps you should take note, Al?

Whatever you think of Mr Giwer - and I think he is a showman rather than an
anti-Semite - you have still ignored his documentation of the Dachau nonsense.
Ideology first, truth second with you boys all the time.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: What are your views of Jews?
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In article <31E01F04.296@rio.com> chuckf@rio.com "Chuck Ferree" writes:

> > : This is typical Exterminationist sophistry; most people (including
> > : Revisionists) don't hate "the Jews" but they are utterly sick to death of
> > : their whining and wailing.
> 
> Yeah, baron, and we are also sick and tired of you. Why don't you get 
> a job taking care of the Queen's horses?
> 
> I don't hear this at all from among my many Jewish friends and 
> neighbors.

In other words, some of your best friends are Jewish?

> > 
> > Are most people sick of the wailing of all Jews, some Jews, most Jews, or
> > just the Organised [tm] ones?  Is there a special Organised Jewry whining
> > and wailing squadron?
> 
> 
> What a stupid question. I'm Catholic, and the Pope pisses me off on 
> occasion, but Catholics have no real cause. 

Precisely, but when you slag off the Pope nobody denounces you to high heaven
as a bigot.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4roda6$m84@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il>
           schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il "Richard Schultz" writes:

> Are most people sick of the wailing of all Jews, some Jews, most Jews, or
> just the Organised [tm] ones?  Is there a special Organised Jewry whining
> and wailing squadron?

As I've pointed out elsewhere, this is a dirty trick of semantics. Let me give
you an example. A while ago there was a scandal in Stoke Newington, North London.
Our wonderful police officers kept fitting people up, planting drugs on them,
beating them up and the like. Most of the victims were black. There were 
constant complaints that "the police" lied, "the police" did this, "the police"
did that.

A while ago "the Americans" invaded Grenada or somewhere; "the Americans" did
this, "the Americans" did that. Nobody in his right mind interprets such
legitimate criticisms as an attack on every fucking police officer in the world
or on every American. But when it comes to "the Jews", ah, that's different.
The fact is that there is a hard core of Jewish organisations and individuals
who use their race/religion as a mask for privilige. These organisations 
included the Board of Deputies of British Jews, B'Nai' B'Rith, certain elements
of the Jewish press and sundry Zionist organisations in and out of the 
United States. 

In the past few years this phenomenon has spread so that every "minority" 
considers it has a right to whine and wail about how "oppressed" it is. This
is nothing at all to do with anti-Semitism. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 12 18:45:27 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: No gas chamber in the old reich, sorry!
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In article <31E26F1B.5712@rio.com> chuckf@rio.com "Chuck Ferree" writes:

> Chuck Ferree writes for the baron:
> 
> The baron already lost the argument about the Dachau gas chamber. It 
> was proven to him by testimony, other than my own, that Dachau gas 
> chamber was there on April 29th. 1945. Along with many others who 
> entered Dachau on that day of liberation, I viewed the gas chamber, 
> was informed along with high ranking officers from SHAEF, by inmates 
> from various countries, that this gas chamber had been used to kill 
> people. That's the question. It was used by the SS to gas inmates, 
> therefore, it can be classified as a lethal killing chamber. No one 
> claims it was used for mass killings, just that it existed, and the SS 
> used it to kill. Baron, will never admit this, but it's true, and it 
> has been proven over and over again. 
> Chuck
> 
> No matter how hard the baron tries to prove the opposite, he fails.


No Chuck, the "gas chamber" you were shown was a delousing chamber. You are
like a little boy watching Uri the Magician close up. You see him dematerialise
a coin then make it reappear and you are so stupid that for the rest of your
life you go around telling people that what you have seen was real magic
rather than slight of hand. 

Again, the standard histories of Dachau - the "Official History" by Berben
and the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust claim this "gas chamber" was never used.
But I suppose you poor saps have to find some justification, some rationalisation
for fighting a useless, bloody, fratricidal war in which over 50 million people
died for the sake of a territorial dispute between Germany and Poland that 
was none of your business anyway. 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: No gas chamber in the old reich, sorry!
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> The same Hart who you said you "corrected" your lavatory "pamplets" in
> regards to? As to your "tribute" to Britain's police, was it as
> hilariously absurd as your "tribute" to Al Capone? 

Believe it or not I have a phone call from the Organised Crime squad at 
New Scotland Yard about that. Yes, Organised fucking crime!

 
> Or are your "refutations" as "substantial" as your comments regarding
> Jewish Ritual Murder? You know- the one where you tried to fob off that
> article the anti-Semitic loon, the "gullible" Lady Birdwood, sent you? 
> You remember it, I'm sure- the one you dropped like a hot potato when it
> was exposed as nothing more than a pack of anti-Semitic lies? 

What the fuck are you talking about? I've never believed in Jewish Ritual
Murder and have gone on record as such.

> > > Maybe that's because the Troll is being ignored because he is an
> > > unmitigated liar and a fraud? That his rants aren't even worth paying
> > > attention to because they are so insane? Perhaps you should take note, Al?

Unfortunately not, I've got the document that quote is taken from, Volume 
XXX of the IMT.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4s3u8i$f1t@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com>
           100644.317@compuserve.com "Miloslav Bilik" writes:
> 
> Are you truly Alexander Baron or is this a joke? Do you claim truly
> that the famous Irma Grese, convicted to death and executed in 1945 as
> Hossler, was a reliable witness for Hossler ?

I never said she gave evidence for Hoessler, I said her testimony was a right
load of old bollocks. If you took everything that was said at these trials at
face value you'd believe the Moon was made of green cheese. Keren's proposition
is that if a Nazi confessed to something he did it. If a survivor said something
happened, it did. 

-- 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> # Most of these guys had been on remand for three or more years. 
> 
> So what?

So we'll put you in gaol for three and a half years and see what you say
at the end of it.
> 
> # A trial that lasts for 20 months, any sort of trial, is absolutely
> # hopeless. 
> 
> Utter nonsense. Have you totally flipped?

No Dan, you try sitting listening to evidence for 20 months and see what
you are like at the end of it.

> Stop dodging the question.

Which is what?

> Why, in all these trials - and there were many of them - did
> not *one* SS-men deny the gassings?

Well, Baer denied the gassings, but on the other hand he died in 
custody. Perhaps the others felt it was safer not to deny them?
On the other hand, they all denied personal involvement. Read Butz's comments
on this, especially Kramer's story.

> 
> Surely, you must realize that this poses *some* problem to the
> "revisionists"?

> # Baer didn't come to trial; he died in custody having denied 
> # gassings. 
> 
> I have never seen any reference to this. Supply the proof that he
> denied gassings or we'll have to conclude that you're lying on
> this one also. I did see one quote of Baer, and all he said is that
> the murders took place in Birkenau, while he was in charge of 
> Auschwitz I.

Have I repeated myself? Ah, so what did Baer say? They happened elsewhere.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 18 00:24:07 PDT 1996
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In article <4s7vjo$9es@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Nizkor" writes:
> 
>    Rothchild, Sylvia, Editor. Voices From The Holocaust. New York and
>    Scarborough, Ontario: Meridian, 1982.

This is a real fun book; the editor has even discovered a "gas chamber" in
Belsen! 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> All these people, in all these many trials, and not *one*
> of them denying the gassings?
> 
> I mean, don't you find it a little odd that *all* of them
> (who were there) say the opposite of what you crackpots
> (who were never there) say?

They all denied involvement in the gassings.
> 
> All these people, accused of this terrible crime, which you
> claim never took place, and not *one* of them says it?
> 
> Insanity.
> 
> # On the other hand, they all denied personal involvement. 
> 
> This is a lie, of course. Many admitted to their personal
> involvement, although they said - and it's true - that
> they were under orders.

A defence that was rejected, I believe.
> 
> # Read Butz's comments on this, especially Kramer's story.
> 
> Joseph Kramer? He admitted to personally gassing people
> in Naztweiler. Maybe it's a typo and you mean Dr. Kremer?


No Dan. Kramer made two statements; in the first he denied gassings, in the
second he claimed to have gassed people in Natzweiler. Pressac says that
because of his poor grasp of physics he described a method of gassing that
was physically impossible. Of course, the laws of physics still operate, even
if people don't understand them.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 18 00:24:09 PDT 1996
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> All excerpted from "The Belsen Trial":
> 
> Testimony of Mr. Harold Le Druillence from Jersey, former prisoner 
> in Belsen, who was "employed" as corpse carrier there:

I have an interesting story to tell about Harold Le Druillenec. Mr Stein can
E-mail me for further details.


> Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709):
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider
> that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant,
> Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time
> Kramer's second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who 
> worked in Kramer's office and was responsible for food supply.
> I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among
> other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the
> increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, "let them die, why
> should you care?".

Ehlert got 15 years so perhaps she said the right thing. On the other 
hand, as she was convicted primarily on the testimony of Sophie (I was 
gassed) Litwinska, perhaps it wouldn't have mattered what she said.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 18 07:20:53 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: An Example of Giwer's Anti-Semitism
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In article <4senac$i36@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   hkatz@earth.usa.net (Harry Katz) writes:
> 
> >  Matt  Giwer (mgiwer@ix.netcom.com) whines:
>   
> >       Dear jerkoff Jew,...
>   
> >  Next we will be treated to Mr. Giwer's standard, "I am not an
> >  anti-Semite" disclaimer.
> 
>         Doesn't it rather remind you of Lyin' Al Baron's claim that Jews have 
> more than their fair share of brazen liars because of a basic flaw in the
>  Jewish 
> character and then tried to tell everyone it wasn't an anti-Semitic remark.

It's only anti-Semitic if it is untrue and told with malice, Yale the Wail.
As the man said: "There are three impudent creatures: among beasts, the dog; 
among birds, the cock; among people, Israel."


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 19 16:19:46 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Dr. Leidig Testifies About Sachsenhausen
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Dr. Theodor Friedrich Leidig, testifying about one of the first 
> gassings in Sachsenhausen, in which Soviet POW's were murdered
> [Quoted in "Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the
> Use of Poison Gas", edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
> A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 54]
> -------------------------------------------------------------------

Here is an equally authentic testimony, Dan.


CHASING SATAN An Investigation into Satanic crimes against child-
ren, by Dianne Core with Fred Harrison, published by Gunter 
Books, London, (1991).


"TERESA was a breeder. Her babies were taken from her and ceremo-
nially sacrificed to Satan."
"She told me of the multiple rapes; of her seven pregnancies, 
most of which were terminated by members of her coven, the foe-
tuses used for cannibalistic rituals."
Core says she referred the girl to a good psychiatrist.

page 92 she reports the murder of a tramp
"He was cut from his throat down to his stomach. And they ate 
him, little bits of him."

page 93 
Ian Leslie: There were doctors there at the house? 
Teresa: Yea, there were two, I think. Yea, and a nurse.
Ian Leslie: What would happen to the foetuses, the unborn babies?
Teresa: They used to be taken away most of the time. And one time 
the baby was taken out of me and then killed in front of me 
because it was still alive.   
Ian Leslie: And then what would happen?
Teresa: What, after they had killed it? They would eat it. We 
were also made to eat it.    
Ian Leslie: You were made to eat your own foetus?
Teresa: Yea.
Ian Leslie: Who made you do this?
Teresa: My Nan.


page 95 the CPS said nobody disbelieved the girl; Core seems to 
interpret this as "We believe these events happened".

page 95 two of the girl's uncles had been charged with rape and 
her "Nan" faced a specimen charge of procuring an abortion

page 96 Core said there was evidence that the girl had been 
pregnant at least once

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Jul 20 09:15:07 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Dr. Bendel Testifies About Auschwitz
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Testimony of Doctor Charles Bendel 
> [Quoted in "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips, William Hodge
> and Company, 1949, p. 132-133]
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Now it is proper hell which is starting. The sonderkommando tries to
> work as fast as possible. They drag the corpses by their wrists in
> furious haste. People who had human faces before, I cannot recognize
> again. They are like devils. A barrister from Salonica, an electrical
> engineer from Budapest - they are no longer human beings because, 
> even during the work, blows from sticks and rubber truncheons are being
> showered over them. During the time this is going on they continue to
> shoot people in front of these ditches, people who could not be got 
> into the gas chambers because they were over-crowded. After an hour
> and a half the whole work has been done and a new transport has been
> dealt with in Crematorium No. 4.
> 
> 

Was that before or after they had extracted 17 tons of gold from the teeth
of the victims? Keren, are you a complete tosser?

-- 
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the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Goering at Nuremberg
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In article <4sjkq3$mjj@lal.interserv.net> klewis@awinc.com "Ken Lewis" writes:

> Albert Speers recollection of Herman Goering at Nuremberg:
> 
> 
> " Once in the prison yard something was said about Jewish survivors in
> Hungary. Goering remarked coldy: 'So, there are still some there? I
> thought we had knocked off all of them. Somebody slipped up again.' "
> 
>                               Work Cited
> 
> Speer, Albert. Inside the Third Reich. trans. Richard and Clara Winston.
> New York: The Macmillan Company, 1970. page 605


Butz cites this too; he says it is obviously a sarcastic remark. 

-- 
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the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 22 02:15:59 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: No gas chamber in the old reich, sorry!
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> 
> Not to mention that "building X" contained _four_ small disinfestation
> rooms _and_ a larger gas chamber that bore a striking resemblence to those
> used in the T4 program. It was in the gas chamber, and _not_ the
> disinfestation rooms, that Blaha said he saw gassing victims in. It was
> also the gas chamber that Rascher told Payne-Best about in regards to the
> difficulties of camouflaging it and concealing the gassings that took
> place there. (cf. _Nazi Mass Murder_, pp.202-204.) 

Sorry I've not been responding, I've had connection problems. I've heard a
lot about T4 and don't dispute the existence of the euthanasia programme but
I've never seen a photograph of these chambers. They are said to exist but
never produced - a typical Exterminationist tactic.

I have documented Blaha's nonsense already. What Rascher allegedly told
Payne Best is evidence of nothing. By the way, do you know what happened
to Rascher?

The point about the Dachau "gas chamber" is that a delousing chamber was
photographed and exhibited as a gas chamber and testimony was adduced that 
people were gassed with "cyanide powder", ie Zyklon B. This is in the
Nuremberg documents (Volume XXX). Matt Giwer has posted this here and I
have a photocopy of the actual document. This testimony was obviously made
up by  the Americans. All "gassing" testimony is equally reliable, ie perjured.




-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 22 09:00:14 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Rock Opera
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In article 
           jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk "Jeffrey" writes:

> In article <31D06017.532A@pacbell.net>, OWEN KING 
> writes
> 
> >The Following is taken from a rock opera I have been working on for 
> >almost a decade. This is the scene where Hitler introduces himself. If 
> >anyone is interested in further postings or info please email me.
> >
> >HITLER:
> >(to himself)
> >
> >       Government Is The Decadent Realization Of Man's Pain
> >       Those Who Control The Masses
> >       Continue To Breed Their Rotting Strain
> >       This Forces The Self, To Strike Out
> >       In Anger, Yet To Even Realize This, Is To Place
> >       Yourself In Danger.
> >
> > etc
> 
> You're too late chief, it's been done.
> 
> 
> 
> And now it's Holocaust the musical....

Yeah, I saw this in the Jewish Chronicle last year, "Holocaust: The Opera".
Oh boy. I know that the real Jews find this sort of thing extremely 
distasteful, but that hardly excuses the twat who wrote it.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 22 09:00:16 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Blah-blah, Blaha
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In article <4ssptk$ede@juliana.sprynet.com> jbelling@sprynet.com  writes:

> Would you post ALL of Blaha's testimony for us?  Or, if you can't do that,
>  would you mind informing us of the volume and page 
> numbers where one can research his testimony?  Also, why was Blaha confined at
>  Dachau?  Simply because he makes 
> accusations does not mean that we ought to believe him-we need physical proof
>  as well.  As to Rascher's alleged remarks to a 
> British flier, this is hearsay and inadmissible.

Blaha's testimony is complete junk. Nizkor should have my analysis in their
files, unless, as I suspect, they only preserve their version of events.

Payne Best wasn't a flyer, he was a British agent who was involved in a
plot to overthrow Hitler. He spent the entire war in camps and published
his book in 1950. It contains no meaningful evidence of Nazi atrocities and
in fact one gets the impression by reading this and other testimonies by
British servicemen that, whatever their attitute to the Jews, the Nazis were
thoroughly decent towards the British and regarded them as an honorable race
and the war as unnecessary and tragic.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4ssh57$nfr@kryten.awinc.com> klewis@awinc.com "Ken Lewis" writes:

> In article <837815344snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk 
> 
> >Butz cites this too; he says it is obviously a sarcastic remark. 
> 
> Speer didn't take it as sarcasm. He says, "I was stunned."

Speer wasn't hanged! He accepted the existence of the extermination programme
but denied all knowledge of it. This man was the top architect in the Third
Reich, one of Hitler's top two or three men, a confidant, and heavily involved in
the use of labour in the camps. And he didn't know about the Extermination
Programme! 

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4svdop$naf@juliana.sprynet.com> jbelling@sprynet.com  writes:

> Did I get your attention?  Here is my question-aside from his well known book
>  on the subject, did Nyszili ever testify in any court 
> of law?  Had any non-Soviet historian ever met with him before he died?  How
>  did his manuscript get to be published and how 
> can any of it be verified?  Did Filip Mueller plagiarize the Nyszili book?  Do
>  we have written corroboration to prove that N. was 
> an inmate at Auschwitz?  Do we know how he came to be interred there?  Why do
>  you suppose he survived?

I have found concrete evidence that Dr Nyiszli did exist. I will say no more
at this stage but any comments from Revisionists or Exterminationists (in private
mail) are welcome.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:

> > Moran had at one time posted a comment on the nationwide Jewish
> > conspiracy to have the menorah ruled as the only legal religious
> > display to be permitted in public lands.

Actually this is a good example of Jewish mischief making coming home to
roost. Jewish organisations consistently opposed any form of free speech
for "racists" and "fascists" ad nauseum in Britain and did everything in their
power to suppress such groups, even though most of them didn't give a monkeys
about Jews and were concerned primarily with stopping mass immigration.
Then in the 70s, many leftists at universities began extending the no-platform
"rule" to Zionists, equating Zionism with "racism" (correctly).

Jews continue to lobby to increase the power of the state to fight the
mythical Nazi menace; they never learn the lesson of history that as soon
as the state is all powerful, everybody's favourite minority is first on
the list of the new despots. 



-- 
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the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 26 05:07:49 PDT 1996
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In article 
           atheist@wam.umd.edu "jesusdung" writes:

> > 
> > I see...and your evidence that historians have bowed to political pressure
> > is...?  Have you noticed that Arthur Butz still has his job?  

No thanks to the ADL. Faurisson had worse luck.


>         My evidence is that their works are not carried or once they're 
> found out, the y aren't published. David Irving has had contracts turned 
> down two weeks before hand when the publishing house found out that his 
> book on the Hungarian Revolution blamed the jews as culprits behind the 
> murders and tortures and mass rapes to suppress the Soviet-occupied 
> Hungarians. 

Irving pointed out rightly that Stalin put Jews in charge of the coutry. They
were later purged. A regular pattern throughout modern history.
 
Carrol Quigley's book "Victory and Hope" was stopped on 

Tragedy and Hope, stupid.

> because McMillan found out the true consequences of what he the author 
> purported. Ivor Benson, and Douglas Reed, due to their works, are no 
> names: they don't even exist. I can go on and on....

Douglas Reed is still in print; his "research" on the Protocols of Zion
leaves much to be desired.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4t3vbp$4to@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:
> 
>   
> >  C'mon, Matt--why in the hell would anyone want to post Plessy v. 
> >  Ferguson?  Are your research skills so poor that you can't find
> >  one of the most famous cases in the history of the US Supreme
> >  Court?
> 
>         Al Baron couldn't.

I did, arsehole. The point I was making with regard to Brown v Topeka was the
perversion of the rule of law in the United States by powerful, vested 
interests hostile to the survival of Western Man. If you don't believe such
perversion exists and that the rule of law hasn't been thrown out of the window
I would suggest Mr Yale oy vay Edeiken that you take a look in the New York
Times for July 3 under the Supreme Court decisions on civil asset forfeiture.
After that absolutely incredible ruling (the "lawful" seizure of an innocent 
person's property) all it will take is a subtle change in the wind and every 
Jewish and Zionist organisation in the United States can be flushed down 
the toilet on a whim from the White House. Or any other group for that matter.
You can whine and wail all you like about "anti-Semitism" but the mechanism
of tyranny is already in place in the good ol' US of A, and it is people like
you who have helped to erect it.



-- 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> 
> # Was there some reason beside the bruited soap experiments 
> # to, er, mazerate all this tissue?
> 
> Probably, to have the skeleton. Why? I don't know. This
> is something that needs to be studied; the place to start
> would be the trial (or investigation) record. I can't
> believe, though, that it is in any language but German.

Did they also confess to killing children and baking the blood in their
matzos? Or to flying to Sabbaths on broomsticks? Fascinating this, isn't it Dan?



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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 26 05:07:52 PDT 1996
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In article <4t1073$j8j@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net "Harry Katz" writes:

> For one, the Talmud is not "anti-goyim."  For another, the so-called
> "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" is a forgery, and a crude
> one at that.

One more time Harry, what has the Protocols of Zion to do with Holocaust
Revisionism?

-- 
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In article <4t064k$dim@lendl.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> 
> Incredible.  He doesn't know what arbitration is.  

I had that last year; it's bloody painful. 

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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Photographs from BELSEN Camp
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Even Kramer didn't resort to such insane excuses. He said
> that he was not allowed to get food from the Whermacht
> barracks. 

Schmitz, alias Schmeditz - a former prisoner who ended up in the dock by
mistake and was acquitted - said in his testimony that at least one lorry
load of bread had not been permitted in because of the typhus. You are also
forgetting - wilfully - that countless thousands were being sent to the camp,
many of them arriving dead, and that Kramer had tried to shut it but had
been ordered to keep it open. After the British arrived Kramer was still too
 afraid to do anything without express authority from Berlin.

-- 
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From: Alexander Baron 
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I keep seeing this quote 

What sort of truth is it that needs protection?  - Auberon Waugh  *
                                                                  *
The London Daily Telegraph, May 9, 1992                           *

I looked it up Wednesday in the paper and couldn't find it. Can anyone
verify it giving me the date AND page number? Thanks.

-- 
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the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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A while ago somebody mentioned here that the Chief Rabbi had issued a letter
dated March 3, 1996 in which he cast doubt on the emotive figure of 6 million.

According to a certain David Irving this letter is a forgery.

Irving's latest report also reveals that a 19 year old woman with the 
very Anglo-Saxon name of Marcy Leibsohn in New England has been charged with
daubing swastikas on her dormitory room.


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Hello fellow truthseekers!
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In article <4t6smj$r37@atlas.uniserve.com>
           hostrov@uniserve.com "Hilary Ostrov" writes:
> >> For one, the Talmud is not "anti-goyim."  For another, the so-called
> >> "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" is a forgery, and a crude
> >> one at that.
> 
> >One more time Harry, what has the Protocols of Zion to do with Holocaust
> >Revisionism?
> 
> One more time, Lyin Al, why did you edit Mr. Katz' post so
> dishonestly?  

Because I am concerned only with the one point.
> 
> In any event, the forgery in question has nothing to do with
> historical revisionism.  Nor does it have anything to do with the
> Holocaust.  It does however seem to be of interest to those who
> mistakenly call themselves "revisionists" and/or those - who like the
> poster Mr. Katz was responding to - have delusions that there is some
> merit to so-called "revisionist" arguments.

It is of some interest to me because I've published a bibliography of it and
am working on a more detailed one when time permits. The rest of your ad hominem
is noted.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: for the last 4 days, there has been no delivery of food
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> 
> Belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
> Belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
> Belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.

A typical Exterminationist tactic is to use the above as "proof" that the
Nazis gassed Jews in Auschwitz. I've seen many examples of this but unlike
Keren I don't think with my stomach.

-- 
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Silence You Almost Can Hear
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In article <4t1kip$idj@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> Lyin' Al Baron, who incessant whining about how "the Jews" are after 
> him has become a staple of a.r, is silent. 

It never ceases to amaze me that a piece of Semitic slime like you will 
constantly harp on that it's "the Jews". I have never attacked "the Jews";
I have named specific Jewish individuals and organisations who believe that
by virtue of being Jews they have a God given right to lie with impunity and
ride roughshod over the rest of mankind, including me. Two of my closest
collaborators have been Jews, and what they say about Imperial Zion and 
disinformation specialists like you I wouldn't like to repeat.


-- 
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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 28 08:07:25 PDT 1996
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In article <4t8v68$i3h@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:
> >  >         Al Baron couldn't.
> >  
> >  I did, arsehole.
> 
>         Sure, Lyin' Al.  All you missed was:
> 
>         1.  Who Ferguson was.
>         2.  What the facts of the case were.
>         3.  What the nature of the action was.
>         4.  What the reasoning of the Court was.
>         5.  What the holding of the Court was.

I've read the entire judgment; it's in a book on the American Negro.

> >  After that absolutely incredible ruling (the "lawful" seizure of an innocent > >  person's property)
> 
>         Exactly the point.  That was not the holding of the case.  In fact, the
>  law 
> is exactly the opposite.  The property of an innocent person *cannot* be seized 
> even if it used in the commission of the crime.  The case only defined the
>  procedure 
> for demonstrating that the owner is innocent.  You relied on a newspaper and
>  got 
> the whole thing wrong.  About par for the course for you.

So what you're saying Yale is that the Supreme Court did not uphold this 
decision and didn't confiscate the car? Excuse me but that is not what the
 New York Times article says.


For The Government Several Victories, published in the column on 
Criminal Law in the New York Times, July 3, 1996, page A20:

begin quote: As usual, the Federal Government's policies on 
narcotics prosecutions produced important rulings. Most signific-
antly, the Court ruled 8 to 1 that it did not violate the consti-
tutional protection against double jeopardy for the Government to 
use both the criminal law to prosecute someone and the law of 
civil forfeiture to seize the defendant's property.

This double-barreled strategy, a cornerstone of the Government's 
war on drugs, does not amount to an impermissible double punish-
ment for a single offense, Chief Justice Rehnquist said in the 
majority opinion, because civil forfeiture is not a punishment. 
The decision, United States v. Ursery, No. 95-345, cut back sub-
stantially on recent Supreme Court decisions that had placed 
constitutional constraints on the Government's use of civil-
forfeiture proceedings. Justice Stevens dissented.

The Government also won a second forfeiture case. The Court ruled 
5 to 4 that there was no constitutional barrier against the 
Government seizing property that was used to commit a crime, even 
the property of an 'innocent owner' who had no connection with 
the criminal activity. The decision, by Chief Justice Rehnquist, 
rejected a claim to compensation by a Michigan woman whose half-
interest in the family car was forfeited under a state nuisance 
statute after her husband used it to solicit a prostitute. :end 
quote



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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> # A typical Exterminationist tactic is to use the above as 
> # "proof" that the Nazis gassed Jews in Auschwitz. 
> 
> I never claimed this. The photos do demonstrate, however, 
> that the Nazis regarded the inmates as "sub-humans", and did 
> not find it necessary to move a finger in order to keep them
> alive. They simply let them die.

I said a typical Exterminationist; I think most people would agree that you
are not a typical anything. You will concede though that others do it?

-- 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> Our Nazi-lovers cannot give evidence of *one* SS-man or woman, 
> nor of any German soldier, who starved to death in the camps.

I found a report in a medical journal from c1946 which reported some deaths
>from  malnutrition alone after the war; it wouldn't surprise me if many Germans
did die. Check out "Decision in Germany". 

-- 
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> Al, that's some pretty lame Nazi apologia. Even for you. I suppose you see
> nothing bizarre about a truckload of bread being refused on the pretext
> that there was typhus in the camp? Like the bread couldn't simply be
> unloaded _outside_ the camp and brought in when the truck left? 

The situation was a lot more complex than that. If you read reports about
the surrender of Belsen you'll find that Kramer (or his superiors) asked
for a miles wide no man's land.
 
> And I suppose you also think that becuase Kramer was "too afraid" to treat
> the prisoners under his authority like human beings- or even like draught
> animals -because of "Berlin," this excuses the fact that thousands died? 

I think Kramer has been thoroughly demonised - the Beast of Belsen. It is 
easy for you, me or anyone to sit back and say in retrospect that he, she
or they should have done such, but in the heat of the moment people do some
pretty stupid things: look at your own government, bombing Colonel Gadaffi,
sending the Ayetolah a birthday cake? 

Ironically I read a story in the Guardian last week about a man in San Francisco
who was gaoled for feeding the homeless without a permit. Yes, I kid you not.
I don't know if anybody is starving in America but if you consider that we
are fifty years on in technology and not in the middle of the bloodiest
war in history, Kramer comes out rather well in comparison.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 29 21:05:23 PDT 1996
Article: 54250 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Photographs from BELSEN Camp
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> >         Not governed by the Geneva rules.
> 
> So what? Meaning what? Changes what? Proves what?
> 
> About 25% of the war was not under Geneva rules. 100% of 
> German-Austrian conduct of the war was not conducted by Geneva rules.
> 
> 
> clips
> 
> >         Created capital penalties after the war.
> 
> War Crimes were known by all participants to be punishable by trials 
> and sever penalties. The German-Austrians who did whatever was 
> necessary to escape being captured by the Russians, knew they had a 
> better chance being taken prisoner by Americans or British.


This guy is one dumb fuck. War is legalised murder you meathead, there are
no rules. You think the Nazis were guilty of mass murder in the camps by
- in your opinion - starving, working and "gassing" Jews to death and your
buddies on Enola Gay were not?

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 30 07:34:10 PDT 1996
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
> 
> # Quite strange that Himmler would give a "spare no 
> # effort" order to save them when he heard of the epidemics 
> # if he considered them "sub-human."
> 
> Himmler definitely regarded the Jews, and the Slavs too,
> as "sub-human".

Is this why Slavs who signed the "Volkslist" and renounced their citizenship
were given German nationality? There were even a few Jews who became honorary
Aryans, unlike you, who are simply an honorary arsehole.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 31 13:57:51 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4thcni$fo2@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>
           joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles) "Charles" writes:

> In <4th9jb$6j3@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>
> marshald@worldnet.att.net (Doug) writes: 
> 
> >  In the recent book by John Loftus and Mark Aarons called "The
> >Secret War Against the Jews (How Western Espionage Betrayed the
> >Jewish People)" (St. Martin's Press, 1994), the following well
> >documented quote appears:
> >
> >       "For the last fifty years, virtually every Jewish Citizen,
> >organization, and charity in the world has been the victim of
> >electronic surveillance by Great Britian, with the knowing and
> >willing assistance of the intelligence services of the United
> >States."

What a fucking load of bollocks. Pure Zionist propaganda; it's these hatemongers
who spy on the goyim, like the ADL for example. And on Jews who refuse to
tow the Israel ueber alles line.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 31 13:57:52 PDT 1996
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Subject: Absent without leave
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I'll be away for a few days and I won't have the time to read 2,000+ messages
when I get back. Anyone with anything profoundly important to say should E-mail
me.

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 31 13:57:53 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: ethnic groups
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In article <4tg07p$3qa@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> 
> 
>         Moreover the confiscation can be defeated by a court order (state or 
> federal) awarding sole ownership to the innocent person.  This is a rather easy > manouver as most states have no fault divorce laws.  The lawyer files a no
>  fault 
> divorce and both parties agree to a property settlement giving sole title to
>  the 
> innocent party.  If this is done before the confiscation hearing, the
>  confiscation fails.
> 
>         Both cases you cited recite the basic law of confiscation.  Had you
>  read 
> them instead of the newspaper report, you would have known this.

I recently sent Mike Stein a leaflet on civil asset forfeiture, he doesn't
appear to have received it yet. You can order it from Jarret Wollstein at 
ISIL, 1800 Market Street, San Francisco: fax 415 865 7506.

If that doesn't horrify you nothing will. The fact is now that when President
Farrakhan comes to power all he will have to do to shut down any and every
Jewish organisation in the States is send in a police agent provocateur to
"find" a joint of marijuana on the premises then confiscate the building, the
assets, the whole lot. Civil asset forfeiture is the end of the rule of law,
I repeat, the end of the rule of law. The United States Government already
has the power to destroy any political dissent or any individual or organisation
on an arbitrary basis. This is true fascism.


-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 31 13:57:53 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: ethnic groups
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In article <4tg07p$3qa@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> 
>         Again, this applies only to a criminal, not an innocent owner.

By the way, you think a man who solicits a prostitute is a criminal?

-- 
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



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