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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Is National Socialism Socialist? [talk.politics.socialism.national]
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In article <4jcgnj$272@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rich@c2.org "Rich Graves" writes:

> What does National Socialism mean to you? 

Lenin, the founder of Bolshevism, and thus of fascism. - Dr Fred Schwarz.


-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: THE STORY OF THE GASSINGS COMES FROM A SICK MIND
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In article <315cff01.56205811@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Your feeble and transparent attempts to distinguish Jews from
> "Organized Jewry" notwithstanding, you claim that it is Jews that are
> destroying "our" freedoms. 

As some of them, especially their leaders and "anti-fascists" are. I have never
denied that other people are doing the same thing, in fact I am constantly
denouncing them, such as the health fascist lobby, people who want ID cards
made compulsory, etc. The big difference is that when I slag them off they
don't scream "anti-Semitic".

>Therefore you are saying Jews deserve to be
> hated. Maybe it's just me, but I thought that hating Jews was the
> definition of antisemitism.

Some of them do. Or do you deny it? A few weeks ago a black man in Brixton
died in police custody - not an unusual occurrence; this death appears to have
been from natural causes but some of them have not been. When this sort of
thing happens the streets are filled with people denouncing "the police" as
murderers. They don't scream "anti-Semitic" either.

> You were almost looked convincing up to this point. You really should
> try to get some control over your rhetoric. I would have thought you
> had learned your lesson after posting the sentence "Jews have more
> than their fair share of liars." 

What lesson is that? I stand by it.

>Instead you just go on snivelling
> about the Jews and digging yourself in deeper. What I don't understand
> at all is your demand that you be allowed to hate Jews without being
> called an antisemite.

I hate Trotsky because he was a murdering shit; I don't hate Dan but I do 
think he is an arsehole; and although Mike Stein and I disagree on many things
I genuinely like the guy. One out of three ain't bad.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Baron exposes the lies of Nizkor
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Baron's comprehensive reply to McCarthy's lies about Dachau:

(The IHR says) 
>If Dachau was in Germany and even Simon Wiesenthal says that it was
>not an extermination camp, why do thousands of veterans in America say
>that it was an extermination camp?


>Nizkor replies:
>
>   In the sense that tens of thousands of people were starved to death
>   and sporadically killed in it, yes, Dachau was a death camp. The
>   term "extermination camp" should probably not be applied to Dachau,
>   because that is generally taken to mean one of the large camps in
>   occupied Poland where mass gassings were performed (see question =

Dachau was NOT any sort of extermination camp; it was the first camp the
Nazis set up and was used as a showpiece. The Nazis were proud of it and
exhibited it; there was some corruption in the early days including some
suspicious deaths; this resulted in the removal of the Commandant. Prisoners
were even permitted to vote in Dachau in the 1933 election. The regime was very harsh but 
probably no harsher than many US prisons and chain gangs of the same era.
People were regularly flogged in British prisons until the sixties and 
I believe the birch can still be used on offenders in the Isle of Man.
The  starvation occurred in the last few months of the  war;  the 
place was also ridden with typhus. This was not genocide, it  was 
prisoners suffering in war. Prisoners are always at the bottom of a nation's
heirarchy, so this was not that surprising. On the liberation of the camp,
some of the prisoners were fit enough to abuse their former captors - check
out the photo used by Butz and reproduced by Abzug.

>   What is not in question is that the gas chamber did exist. 

Oh yes it bloody well is. Jeff posted a long message about this a while
ago which you ignored. The "gas chamber" disappeared and then reappeared.
Furthermore it is a matter of record that a delousing chamber was 
exhibited as a gas chamber and in fact is still listed as such to this
day at the Imperial War Museum - Department of Photographs. My study -
which I sent to Mike Stein - proves that powerful Zionist organisations
have wilfully lied about this "gas chamber". 

>The
>   Allies captured the memo sent from Dr. Sigmund Rascher at Dachau to
>   Himmler, which read (see Kogon et al., Nazi Mass Murder, 1993, p.
>   202):
>
>          As you know, the same facilities [gas chambers] have
>          been built at the Dachau concentration camp as at Linz
>          [Hartheim]. Whereas the "invalid transports" end up in
>          certain chambers anyway, I ask whether we cannot test
>          some of our various combat gases on specific persons who
>          are involved in the action. Up till now there have only
>          been animal tests or accounts of accidental deaths in
>          the manufacture of these gases. Because of this
>          paragraph, I have sent this letter marked "Secret."


This quote has been doctored; it actually reads as follows:

As you know, the same facilities [no mention of gas chambers] have
been built at the Dachau concentration camp as at Linz. Because the
convoys of invalids end up, one way or another, in the chambers that
are intended for them, I am asking the following question: In these
chambers, on people who are destined for them in any case, would it
not be possible to test the efficienct of our combat gases? So far,
all we have are [the results of] tests made on animals, or reports
on accidents that occurred during manufacture. Because of this paragraph,
I am sending my letter marked 'Secret'.

In other words, a document claims that Rascher asked a question. There
is  no evidence that it was answered, much less in  the  affirma-
tive. Furthermore, he was referring to testing combat gases,  not 
"exterminating" people. 

In his book HUMAN BEHAVIOUR IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMP, the former Auschwitz
inmate  Dr Elie Cohen writes that on May 15, 1941, Rascher  wrote 
to Himmler asking if "two or three professional criminals"  could 
be made available for medical experiments in a "mobile  low-pres-
sure chamber". Whatever happened at Dachau had nothing to do with 
genocide,  but  like I said, there is no reliable  evidence  that 
anyone was gassed there in "gas chambers", although other medical 
experiments were carried out. 

>
>   An American reporter made a movie showing the gas chamber very soon
>   after the camp's capture, showing how it was labelled "Brausebad"
>   ("showers") despite having no shower facilities.

And again, a delousing chamber was also so represented. Professor Butz
publishes a photograph of members of the US Congress inspecting the shower
bath at Dachau captioned "...they are being told that this was the gas chamber".

>   
>   The question of whether the gas chamber can be proved to have been
>   used has not been definitively answered. Some historians say that
>   there is no question: it was never used. 

There is no proof either that it was used or that there was one. 


The "Official History of Dachau" by Paul Berben says that
a  gas  chamber commissioned in March 1942,  final  approval  was 
given in July 1942. It was codenamed $Baracke X$

"The building was after the well-tried 'classical' model: chan-
ging-room, fake shower-room, where the prisoners were given to 
understand they were to receive a $gutes Brausebad$ but were gas-
sed...However, the Dachau gas-chamber was never operated."

on page 176 it is admitted that the gas chamber and crematorium = 
$Baracke  X$ was supposed to take 3 months to build, yet  it  was 
never finished owing to sabotage (work delay)

This is all bullshit; you will note that the date this was allegedly 
"commissioned" was nearly a year after the date of the letter given by Cohen.



>Some say that the question
>   is still open. It comes down to two testimonies: that of a British
>   officer named Payne-Best who says he heard Dr. Rascher speak of
>   gassings, and that of Dr. Franz Blaha, who testified under oath to
>   experimental gassings. 


Payne-Best's "testimony " is hearsay, at best. In any case, the British were
no more immune from lying than you; I have found one record of a British POW
referring to the non-existent Buchenwald gas chamber. Blaha's testimony is a 
tissue of lies. Blaha was a communist and an inmate; he was also a 
pathologist. At the IMT - Volume V - he testified that skin, especially tattooed skin, 
was removed from prisoners, but not from Germans and that some were made 
into saddles, handbags, etc. It is not clear if he claims to have seen this 
personally, but as he was working in the autopsy room what else is one to 
believe?

"It was common practice to remove skin from dead priso-
ners. I was ordered to do this on many occasions. Dr. Rascher and 
Dr. Wolter in particular asked for this human skin from human 
backs and chests. It was chemically treated and placed in the sun 
to dry. After that it was cut into various sizes for use as 
saddles, riding breeches, gloves, house slippers and ladies' 
handbags. Tattooed skin was especially valued by SS men." 

However, he had obviously been embellishing on the Buchenwald case in which
Commandant Koch was executed by the SS probably for such murders as well
as financial corruption. None of the artifacts Blaha mentioned could be
found and obviously never existed, but Blaha was an anti-Nazi and he filed
an affidavit which shows the Nazis in a bad light so Nizkor accept it as 
gospel. As I have said before, this evidence is on a par with or less
meaningful than some of the Blood Libel and other anti-Jewish propaganda of
the Middle Ages, yet the likes of Yale refer to it as unsubstantiated allegations.

German skins were forbidden, Blaha said: ie more Master Race propaganda.

Blaha reported evidence of cannibalism in November 1942 in Dachau, 
which seems most unlikely at that time.


>   Holocaust-deniers, of course, only present the point of view which
>   says that it was never used. They often quote from a 1960 letter
>   written by the director of the Institut f=FCr Zeitgeschichte
>   (Institute for Contemporary History), in Munich (see Die Zeit,
>   August 19, 1960, p. 16):

No, Jamie McCarthy only reports the dross that fits his Weltanschauung. He has
to otherwise he too would be smeared as an anti-Semite notwithstanding his 
continual licking of Jewish arses.

>
>          No Gassing in Dachau
>
>          Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald
>          were Jews or other prisoners gassed.
>
>
>   The letter of course confirms that mass gassing did take place in
>   the larger camps. Holocaust-deniers don't like to mention that =
>part.
>   They also don't like to mention that, since 1960, the Institut has
>   performed more research and has come to a new conclusion. It now
>   says:

The letter is disingenous and fudges the issue.

>          ...a gas chamber was established [in Dachau] in
>          which...a few experimental gassings were undertaken, as
>          more recent research has confirmed.


What research? What evidence? There is none. Produce it or hold your
peace. The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust - which must surely be the 
definitive Exterminationist work says the Dachau gas chamber existed
but was never used. So where is this "gas chamber" that took 3 years to
build?


We  are  not  obviously deluded Jamie, you are. Your  file  is  a 
tissue  of lies, albeit mostly lies by omissions, but  what  else 
can one expect from a man whose house is built on sand? Read my signature:
you endorse liars and forgers, you do so wilfully and in order to perpetuate
a myth. Unlike me - who has been conned and had the good grace to admit he 
was conned (re Lachout) or was wrong and had the good grace to admit it
(re Hart's alleged eyewitness account - in reality more hearsay) you are
not prepared to concede one inch because you are afraid the whole fabric
of lies will come tumbling down. In short, you are a damned liar, albeit 
mostly by omission and by proxy.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  rs241@delphi.com  writes:

> Michael P. Stein  writes:
>  
> >    I used Al Baron's own selected, edited, and paraphrased description of
> >what he read in "The Belsen Trial" - at least, that was my understanding
> >of the source he was using.  He has since mentioned the dump truck to me,
> >but aside from the question as to whether she was overestimating the
> >number of people (I don't think anyone in that situation would have
> >counted them one by one, do you?) I don't see what is so different. 

I have been reading the original trial documents; I hope to read them all
eventually but there's a bloody lot of them and only so many hours in a day
and I have other things to do.
>
> >    She said she was (literally) dumped in a room.  Her eyes burned.  Her
> >lungs were irritated.  Other people suffered the same effect.  She was
> >taken out of the room.  In objective terms this is what she described.
>  
>  
>  
> >    That the building she describes was a gas chamber - Dan Keren says the
> >description matches one of the farmhouses used prior to the completion of
> >Kremas II-V - is an interpretation.  Al Baron says this must be fantasy
> >because she could not have survived a gassing in this manner.  I pointed
> >out that if she had inhaled a dose of the irritant, she could have
> >perceived it as a being removed from gassing (even though no HCN was yet
> >in the air).

> >>Ms. Litwinska's statements do not help the exterminationists in their
> >>quest to make a case on the removal of the odor indicator,
> >
> >    Litwinska gives a relatively early date, 1942.  The indicator was
> >removed in 1944.  See

I have to confess that I did take Litwinska seriously at one point but I have
since found evidence - not conclusive yet - that there was mass collusion at 
these trials. I think the more likely explanation though is that she was simply
fantasising. There were people who claimed the SS were building gas chambers
at Belsen; they were fantasising too.

> Dr. Mengele did not arrive in Auschwitz until May 24, 1943 (The
> Holocaust . . . , Martin Gilbert, 1985, page 581).  Ms. Litwinska claimed
> that she was removed form the gas chamber on December 24, 1942 and spent
> six weeks in the hospital being treated by Dr. Mengele (The Case Against
> Adolf Eichmann, page 187).  Nothing more needs to be said.

Hmm, could Gilbert have been wrong? He is one of the more honest 
Exterminationists - I had a good letter off him once - but he is incredibly
gullible and not much of an historian.
 

Who are you, by the way?

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Oh, Alex. Still mad at having your ass kicked out of Palestine?
> Face it, old chap, the empire is gone (well, you still have
> Ireland... he-he).

I'm glad you agree that it is Palestine Dan, not Israel. The British have 
Northern Ireland; Ireland (Eire) is an independent nation. Actually I don't
think Kahane was such a bad sort, simply misunderstood.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

>    What do you say, Alex? If you folks could burn tens-of-thousands
>    of German men, women and children, in one night, couldn't you - if
>    you prepared for it - dispose of these dead cows? I know you
>    don't like these questions, but do try to answer. Ask your
>    father, perhaps - he was in the war, right?

Heck Dan, "my people", what if I were to say that your people murdered our
Lord Jesus Christ? You really don't see what arseholes you and the whole
filthy cabal are, do you, Keren? Collective responsibility for one, then 
for all. 

Leaving that aside, I think the point about Dresden is that there were plenty
of remains, which were then disposed of over a great deal of time. Why not
check it out?

> 
> 3) As I noted in a previous article, there seem to be photos of
>    Germans disposing of corpses in Dresden by burning them on
>    huge pyres. The description of these photos, sent to me by a 
>    poster to this group, is similar to the descriptions of mass
>    burning of Holocaust victims in the death camps. When I have
>    the photos, I'll post them.

Are you sure they aren't the same photos, Dan!
-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Pery Broad Describes Mass Murder in Auschwitz I
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> 
> Testimony of SS-Unterscharfuehrer Pery Broad, describing gassing in
> Krema I in Auschwitz
> [Quoted in "KL Auschwitz as Seen by the SS", p. 176]
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>  ... The "disinfectors" were at work. One of them was SS-Unterscharfuehrer
> Teuer, decorated with the Cross of War Merit. With a chisel and a
> hammer they opened a few innocuously looking tins which bore the
> inscription "Cyclon, to be used against vermin. Attention, poison!
> to be opened by trained personnel only!". The tins were filled to
> the brim with blue granules the size of peas. Immediately after
> opening the tins, their contents was thrown into the holes which
> were then quickly covered. Meanwhile Grabner gave a sign to the driver
> of a lorry, which had stopped close to the crematorium. The driver
> started the motor and its deafening noise was louder than the
> death cries of the hundreds of people inside, being gassed to death.
> 
> 

Leading Exterminationist Pressac on Broad: "Broad's testimony is above all a 
chronical [sic] of a few striking events at the camp, incapable of providing 
precise details about the Bunkers and Krematorien. After assessing its 
reliability, no conscientious historian will be able to use it unless and 
until the $declaration$ has been stripped of the Polish influence, or in 
other words until the original is published."

You hadn't forgotten this had you Dan, you're just totally venal. Perhaps such
testimonies should be purged of Jewish influence as well? Or better still, 
perhaps otherwise highly intelligent PhDs like Dan Keren should start placing
truth on a higher plane than the fanatical struggle against the mythical 
disease of anti-Semitism. 



Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4jmfqk$9@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:
> After reading his "book" about Irving, I'd have to say yes, he
> really _is_ that stupid. His book is pure, unadulterated
> gutter trash, like his mind.


And I thought Mike Stein was a friend of mine. Something you should bear in
mind Jamie; a lot of "Nazis" in Britain think I am some sort of demented Jew.
Irving has been around for many years and has a great many admirers, yet 
most people on the far right have accepted my revelations about Irving more
or less uncritically. Why do you think that is? Obviously they know something
you don't. Perhaps they've read the correspondence. Hmmm?

-- 

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Apr  4 07:20:19 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: BIG BIG QUESTION
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In article 
           jsilver@orion.it.luc.edu "Jason Silverman" writes:

> In article <4jhhk7$3f4@wi.combase.com>, mgiwer@combase.com (Matt Giwer) wrote:
> 
> >         At least gypsies aren't still whining about it 50 years later.  

They probably are, but being illiterate they can't write about it the way
Jews do.

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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Road To Cowschwitz: A Unique Opportunity
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In article <315cbd9a.39460619@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Although it will be lost on Mr. Baron, it is still worth saying that
> using the current tragedy in Britain to make jokes about the tragedy
> of the Jews during the war is at the very least tasteless and to be
> characterized fairly as sick and perverse.

You're the one who is being tasteless. A while ago a Rabbi joined the protest
against the live export of calves at one of the ports; he said that live 
animals being exported thus reminded him of Jews being shipped off to Auschwitz
in cattle cars. The Jewish Chronicle editorialised that this was an "Obscene
'Parallel'". It's not often I agree with the Jewish Chronicle about anything.

Leaving that aside, my suggestion is far from a joke; what I am suggesting is
a serious experiment to see if it is possible to gas and dispose of three or
four hundred cows with the same resources the Nazis were supposed to have done
away with a couple of thousand Jews and in the same time span. I don't see any
moral objections.

-- 

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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Let's hear both sides of the Holocaust issue
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In article <4jso8r$ra2@wi.combase.com> mgiwer@combase.com "Matt Giwer" writes:

> 
>         You deceive yourself.  Back in the 1950s when it was still talked
> about as a matter of the war still being in recent memory, the common
> statement was that 12 million were killed and that 6 million of them
> were Jews was the addendum.  
> 
> >       Or, as the Holocaust Museum folks said, get your own museum.
> 
> >I challenged Mr. Giwer to give us a citation for this "quotation!"
> >He failed!  I can only conclude that he is lying.

Actually this is in the Nuremberg documents; I had some debate with Mike Stein
over this a while back; he said it was "prosecutor's rhetoric".

> 
>         As I noted, I do not collect newspaper clippings.  Do you?
> 
> >       6,000,000 are a tragedy, the other 6,000,000 a footnote.

Simon Wiesenthal is said to have invented the figure of 5 million goyim.

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Apr  7 11:08:59 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Pery Broad Describes Mass Murder in Auschwitz I
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In article <4jqc3k$tv@boris.eden.com> mcurtis@eden.com "Mike Curtis" writes:

> In article ,
>    dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
> >No, Alex old chap, I didn't forget what Pressac wrote about
> >Broad's testimony, I just think it's not important.


> >You, however, have proven yourself again to be a first class
> >intellectual zero, who cannot say anything intelligent about
> >Broad's testimony, so you bring Pressac to help you.

One thing I haven't forgot is that Broad's report - which he is supposed
to have written by himself - is entirely at odds with his Frankfurt 
testimony. I think Broad probably did murder a number of people, as did
many SS men at Auschwitz.


> What
> >about all the testimonies about the gassings that Pressac
> >says *are* genuine? So, you'll take his word about Broad

No, I don't take his word about Broad, but he does make a valid point about
the reliability or lack thereof of any testimony endorsed by the communists.


-- 

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: JOOOOOOS Control Hollywood and here's the proof!
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In article <4jpsbl$i8c@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> 
> 
>         And you protest being called "Lyin' Al?"

That just happens to be untrue, Yale the Wail.

> 
>         No an anti-Semite is a person who hates Jews.  You qualify.  In 
> spades.

No, an anti-Semite is someone Jews don't like. Spades? 

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Apr  8 06:54:58 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: JOOOOOOS Control Hollywood and here's the proof!
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In article <4k4sm9$jjd@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> 
>         Why don't you tell the truth, Lyin' Al.  The Jews filed charges against
>  you 

No Jew filed charged against me for anything. For the record I find it curious 
that you refer to "the Jews"; if I'd done that you'd have been screaming.


> after you sent, unsolicited, anti-Semitic tracts to numerous people people 
> fraudulently soliciting funds.  

I did not send anti-Semitic tracts to anyone; it is not fraudulent to send out
fund-raising letters. Now that you mention it though, in 1994 an American Jew
did just that. A fund raiser for Donald Mintz sent out anti-Semitic flyers and
received $400,000 in donations.

The only "freedom" of yours that they have
>  infringed 
> upon is your right to make a dishonest pound sterling.  

The authorities didn't file charges against me either, and I was subsequently granted
legal aid to sue the police. Unfortunately, it is difficult to make a false
arrest charge stick, however, my barrister is now settling a statement of 
claim in relation to trespass of goods, and a summons in the County Court is
expected in due course. Don't argue from ignorance Yale the Wail or I'll kick
your arse the way I did Harry Mazal's.

-- 

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I've just been doing some hard disk maintenance and have deleted one file too
many. This has affected my DEMON reception of newsgroups. I think I've got it
sorted out but don't count on it. I have no messages over 2 days old and don't
know how this is going to hold up.

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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: #Publisher Decides not to Issue Book by Holocaust Denier
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In article <4k4u40$hfo@crl6.crl.com>
           discipio@crl.com "William R. Discipio Jr" writes:

> : McCormack said that when St. Martin's bought the book it knew nothing 
> : of his controversial stand on the Holocaust.

The rest of their statement may well be true but this is totally unbelievable.

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Apr  8 06:55:00 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: JOOOOOOS Control Hollywood and here's the proof!
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In article 
           kabong@inforamp.net "kabong" writes:

> >         No, the claim has been that *the American movie* industry was
> controlled by 
> > Jews.  You have made that claim without reference to the historical
> facts in your 
> > continual lying rants about Jews.

The historical facts are that Jewish organisations keep protesting how 
powerless they are and so does the media. The reason for that is self-evident.


> Now, let's see what came AFTER this quote. Same book, same page, same edition:
> 
> "they put their stamp on the American mind in as significant a way as
> industrial giants like Henry Ford, John D. Rockfeller, and Andrew
> Carnegie, influencing not only millions athome but countless more whose
> only view of America was cranked out by the studios of these ill-educated
> but street-wise immigrants. The vision of America they shared was of a
> country where opportunities and tolerance expanded limitlessly.

Don't talk to me about Jewish tolerance, you moron. I've seen Jewish tolerance
at first hand and have the scars to prove it. Jewish organisations are in the
vanguard of destroying our freedoms; they're not the only ones by any means,
but that doesn't diminish their role.


> SHAME on you, Mr. Baron, for lifting material out of context in a
> deliberate attempt to mislead the readers of this group. SHAME  on you for
> your hyprocrisy in deriding the "Jewish control of Hollywood" while
> failing to note (with equal evidence) the gentile control of the
> automobile,steel and oil industries.


Shame ain't got nothing to do with it. The media is hardly comparable with
the steel industry. For the record though, the largely white Gentile "control"
of industry is frequently attacked by the far left as an example of 
"institutionalised racism", the very same people who would smear me as an
anti-Semite for making a salient point about the heavy Jewish influence on
the media. For the record it's not the quantity of Jews in the media that 
pisses me off butthe quality of them, in general, although there are noble 
exceptions, eg Bernard Levin. I gather that the media in Israel is far less
spineless when it comes to slagging off Zionist mendacity; Rabbi Kahane 
complained that it was pro-Palestinian.

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Subject: Re: Marx was a jew (NOT!)
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In article <4jqaa5$ol4@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> The doctor was Dr. Bloch who was Hitler's family doctor and who treated his
> mother when she was dying of breast cancer.  He did not save her, but Hitler
> never forgot his compassion and the efforts he went to in an attempt to ease
> her suffering.  I believe however that he eventually emigrated to America.

There is an interesting anecdote about this in Sefton Delmer's autobiography.

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Apr  8 20:14:41 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Does anyone have any information on a court decision regarding the Shawnee
Indians c1860 in which a judge made a ruling about a territorial claim which
was ignored by settlers? It was quite a famous case and I'm looking for a 
citation in a readily available American source.




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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> Indeed there is. Dr. Nyiszli, for instance, wrote of personally witnessing
> a young girl surviving a gassing. (Only to be subsequently shot.) 

See Pressac on Nyiszli's testimony; the "evidence" of Dr Bendel is even
more unbelievable.

> On a more speculative note, Hart also mentioned the SS man who threw the
> baby into the furnace by name: Wagner. On May 10, 1944, the RSHA picked up
> a broadcast from Daventry on the situation in the General Government.
> Seven SS functionaries were listed as war criminals. One was Augustin
> Wagner from Kattowitz-Brynow. Interesting. Was he _from_ Kattowitz? Or was
> he _stationed_ in Kattowitz? 

More to the point, was he the SS man referred to and did he do what Hart's
hearsay claimed he did? To the best of my knowledge this claim of Hart's
was not made until 1961, which further diminishes her ill-deserved credibility.

(Kattowitz, btw, was a sub-camp of Auschwitz
> about 30 miles away.) If he was stationed there in May of 1944, where was
> he before? After? It would be interesting to know how often SS personnel
> were transferred between sub-camps and the camps at Auschwitz. 
> 
> > The _Germans_ often taunted inmates with threats about "turning them into
> > soap,"

Then it must have been true.

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the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Apr  8 20:14:43 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Personal, Heartfelt Apology
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In article <4k42ht$62k@news.nyu.edu> jal5266@is.nyu.edu "Jeremy A. Litt" writes:

> : s-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <4k2r93$1ifu@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>
> Distribution: world
> 
> A Huber (EEGG87A@prodigy.com) wrote:
> 
> : Hitler gave the j*ws more than ample time to pick up & leave Germany. 
> : They chose, instead, to remain close to their shekels. 

This guy is all heart.

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Apr  9 19:52:40 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust denial = promotion of hatred?
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In article <4k3nks$5ct@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net "Harry Katz" writes:

> Holocaust deniers always seem to overlook the fact that rounding up
> people and bringing them to a camp that denies them the most basic
> sanitary facilities is just as much genocide as gassing.

Another rolled-up plea: the Nazis gassed the Jews, if they didn't they might 
as well have, and if they didn't do that, heck, everybody lies about Nazis,
they're such evil bastards. And you're such a dork, Harry. Typhus was one of
the scourges of history; if it's so easy to protect against why have countless
millions of people died from it? You're also conveniently forgetting that SS 
staff also contracted typhus; so perhaps Hitler wanted to kill his Aryan 
supermen as well. Grow up you dork.

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In article 
           abels@coventry.ac.uk "Nele Abels" writes:

I didn't know there was a Coventry University; I thought it was called
Warwick. 


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Pery Broad Describes Mass Murder in Auschwitz I
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In article <4k3qsb$p5c@hackberry.zilker.net>
           mike@aimetering.com "Mike Curtis" writes:

> Is this the new method to avoid Dr. Keren? You post to me rather than
> him? I'll assume it was an honest mistake. :)

Sorry Frank, but Desperate Dan reads most of the threads and is not shy
about sending me the odd E-mail.

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In article <316a068b.38714590@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> On Mon, 08 Apr 96 08:57:45 GMT, Alexander Baron
>  wrote:
> 
> >In article 
> >           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> 
> >> > The _Germans_ often taunted inmates with threats about "turning them into
> >> > soap,"
> >
> >Then it must have been true.
> 
> No, it means that they may have believed it to be true, and obviously
> Kitty Hart did beleive it to be true.

Alternatively, her ghost writer could have included this passage and others to
beef up an otherwise boring book, as did Max Gallo with Martin Gray, the 
Treblinka "survivor".

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Subject: Re: The Anne Frank "Forgery" Lie, yet again
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In article <4kbd8a$acl@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

> In article <4ju01o$ctj@mippet.ci.com.au>,   wrote:
> >1)     Did Anne happen to explain how she wrote a lot of her diary using
> >a      biro which didn't hit the market place until the fifties?
> 
>     This is quite simply false.  The ballpoint pen marks in the diary were
> made in a different hand as it was edited in preparation for publication - 
> page numbers, etc.  The Dutch submitted the diary to extensive forensic 
> testing and pronounced it genuine.  The writing which is in Anne Frank's 
> own hand was done with pen and ink consistent with the time.

I don't believe this was a lie in the first instance; there is much genuine
confusion over the finding of the Diary, the Meyer Levin case, the heavy 
editing of various editions, etc. It is not really necessary to brand someone
an anti-Semite simply because they reject consensus. What is unforgivable in
a genuine Revisionist is refusing to change his mind when he has been proven
wrong, but that is hardly the domain solely of Revisionists; recall the 
tortuous logic and writhing that Dan Keren and others go to in order to
convince themselves that that testimonies of the likes of Sophie (I was
gassed) Litwinska contain even a grain of truth.

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 12 09:36:02 PDT 1996
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In article <4ke9dg$af2@news.nyu.edu> jal5266@is.nyu.edu "Jeremy A. Litt" writes:
> This is alt.revisionism, not alt.Al-Baron.ramblings

Well actually, Revisionism covers a lot more than World War II; have you any
info or not?

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I just heard about Brando's comments on Jews; I thought he had allegedly said
something about this donkey's years ago and it turned out to be a fake quote.
Can anyone tell me what is going on now? Is this new or what?

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In article <4kedmr$d9e@news.nyu.edu> jal5266@is.nyu.edu "Jeremy A. Litt" writes:

> Perhaps to YOU Irving is the leading Hitler historian, which would 
> explain your warped information.  If I had to guess among the leading 
> historians of el Nazi Scumbags, I would guess the most widely read is 
> William Shirer's book.

I speak of Irving with no admiration for the man: Mike Stein will tell you
that. Drop Irving a line and ask him what he thinks of Shirer; he'll probably
point out a few hundred distortions and lies. just because Shirer is widely
read doesn't mean he is any good: so is Erich von Daniken.

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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Faurisson's 'Historical Research'
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Faurisson's just like the rest of you revisionazis here, only
> a little smarter. Mostly, in the sense that he doesn't use outright
> lies like you miserable imbeciles (you know who I'm talking about,
> right?). 

You should know Dan, defender of shameless liars that you are.

>He simply lies by omission.

Sure. He's taken a leaf out of Lipstadt's book.

> He doesn't invent non-existing testimony, like you and Moran,
> or writes outright lies like Giwer and Raven. He simply doesn't
> mention testimony and facts he doesn't like.

I have never invented any non-existent testimony; the facts you people
omit are myriad, because the big picture says: NO MASS GASSINGS and probably
no gassings at all.


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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 12 12:53:19 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Faurisson's 'Historical Research'
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> You don't say. Still busy "researching" the Belsen trial, I guess? Find
> any new testimonies to lie through your teeth about, as you did with
> Hoessler's, Bendel's, Schopf's?

Oh dear, here we go again. First, thanks for pointing out my error about
Hoessler but as I'm now - when time permits - reading the actual documents,
I would have found that anyway. Bendel's testimony is quite unbelievable;
he gave "evidence" elsewhere too which I will look into in due course; he is
also supposed to have written a book but it is in French, which I don't read.
Even Pressac is embarrassed by Bendel. Exactly what lies am I supposed to have
told about Erika Schopf?

> 
> # yet but the little I have seen is far from impressive. There is Martin 
> # Gray, who later admitted he was never at the camp; as Dan found his 
> # testimony credible that says much for his objectivity. 
> 
> I didn't say the testimony was genuine; I said it didn't
> contradict commoc sense. I can post here a whole spiel about
> how I fought the Vietcong in Vietnam and you'll have no idea
> if I'm telling the truth or not.

The point Dan is that if you are so easily conned by fake testimony how 
do you know any of it is true. Your critical faculty is developed only to
the extent that you can pick holes in Revisionists, but you've made a 
big mistake with this Revisionist Danny Boy, because what does not 
destroy me makes me stronger. It is your carping on about this which is leading
me to expose one of the biggest lies of all; but you'll have to wait at least
six months before I publish because there's a lot of fact checking to do yet.

> # Then there is Wiernik's testimony which is, oh boy. 
> 
> Not to mention all these crazy testimonies about the Brits 
> bombing Dresden, oh boy. Imagine that, all these horror tales,
> British pilots incinerating alive tens-of-thousands of
> civilians in one night, oh boy, only a sick, perverted mind
> would be able to invent something like that, oh boy, ain't that
> right crazy Al, oh boy.
> 
> The testimonies of Franz, Horn, Mentz, Munzerburger, Miete,
> Matthes, Suchomel, Lambert etc we'll just forget about, right?
> We'll also forget about the massive amount of human remains
> found in the camp?

Yeah Dan, really massive. Just like at Babi Yar./

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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron  writes:
> 
> # One thing I haven't forgot is that Broad's report - which he 
> # is supposed to have written by himself - is entirely at odds with 
> # his Frankfurt testimony. 
> 
> Really? "Entirely at odds"? How come? Examples?

In his report he condemns the Nazis' alleged atrocities; at the Frankfort
Trial he said: Please sir, it wasn't me.

> It's not a valid point. I have yet to see one single testimony
> given by an SS-man before a Polish court which is essentially
> incorrect. One such testimony that revisionazis can prove was
> obtained by torture.

Dream on, Dan.
> 
> And Broad's Frankfurt testimony, before a German court - what
> about that?
> 
I'm reading a bit more of that on Saturday; the real problem with these
sort of trials is that they are so long; this one lasted 18 months. We've
seen this with the OJ trial and many fraud and similar trials; how exactly
a jury is supposed to consider all this is beyond me. Personally I think they
should be split up as far as possible.



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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4k2j0h$b1e@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il>
           schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il "Richard Schultz" writes:

> Alexander Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> 
> : The Saudis don't do what 
> : the Jews do and scream "anti-Semitic" or "racist", they simply say: We'll
> : take our 4 billion pound arms contract elsewhere. It works every time.
> 
> On what grounds do you find the attempted economic boycott of Nazi Germany
> in the 1930's to be morally objectionable?

I doubt if I'd have bought German goods in the 1930s and if I'd been a German
I'd have ended up in a concentration camp but an organised boycott - with 
heavy intimidation - was an act of aggression and most unwise. My main beef
is that Organised Jewry apply a double standard: they supported the Nazi
boycott but screamed over the Arab one. Mind, from what I've seen of some of
these Arab states, their hypocrisy stinks.

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Apr 14 13:46:02 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Faurisson's 'Historical Research'
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> You said she didn't testify that Hoessler saved people from
> being gassed. I guess you did it because you automatically
> try to distort every testimony that mentions the gas chambers.

Schopf came forward to testify on Hoessler's behalf. As far as I recall she
said that only Jews attended selections and only doctors could make them,
which ruled Hoessler out.

> Have you conducted excavations at Babi-Yar? 

Wouldn't be much point Dan because the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust says
that all the "evidence" was destroyed later. So of course it mush have
been there in the first place or they couldn't have destroyed it.

> 
> So, back to the original topic of this thread, the question
> that no lying revisionazi can answer: why does Faurisson
> claim that we "are asked to essentially rely on Gerstein's
> testimony" re Belzec and Treblinka? Why does he fail to 
> mention the many other testimonies of SS-men who served
> in the camps for a far longer time, and gave more reliable
> testimony than Gerstein? He's a lying propagandist

Alternatively he might not have done his homework, but I think his problem
is the same as yours Dan: he sees only what he wants to see. From the little
I've read of Treblinka testimony though I think it would do your side a lot
more good if they relied solely on Gerstein: Stangl and Wiernik are too much 
for mere flesh to bear.


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Faurisson's 'Historical Research'
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> # I have never invented any non-existent testimony; 
> 
> Oh yes you did Alex-boy. You said that Hoessler testified that
> he put a gas mask on, went into the chamber and took a woman
> out, 

Don't call me Alex you twit.

>while in reality he said he took her out from a group
> of women sent to the gas chambers. You also lied about
> Bendel's testimony.


I didn't lie about Hoessler, I misread the passage but I would have found
the error before going into print because I have now studied the documents. The
real liar here was Sophie Litwinska, but you haven't got the balls to admit that.
Furthermore, Hoessler obviously denied this claim because his defence was
please sir it wasn't me. If he had agreed he'd gone into the "gas chamber"
to get someone out he would have hanged himself for sure.
Now what about Schopf?
 
> # because the big picture says: NO MASS GASSINGS and probably
> # no gassings at all.
> 
> Yeh, yeh. And no bombing of Dresden either, ain't that right.

Big difference Dan; we've all seen bombs.

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In article <4kj0so$fq3@hackberry.zilker.net>
           mike@aimetering.com "Mike Curtis" writes:

> >> No, it means that they may have believed it to be true, and obviously
> >> Kitty Hart did beleive it to be true.
> 
> >Alternatively, her ghost writer could have included this passage and others to
> >beef up an otherwise boring book, as did Max Gallo with Martin Gray, the 
> >Treblinka "survivor".
> 
> And the proof you have to support this is?

Again, the burden of proof is not on me; have you read Hart's book? Her claim
that she was told en route that she was being sent to "Extermination Camp 
No 1"; the burning babies that made her sick; the man who ran up the ladder,
took a bag of white crystals out of his pocket and flung the contents into
the "gas chamber", the man who marched into the gas chamber hand in hand with
his mother each holding a towel and soap...

Well, she's Jewish so it must be true. Heck, I don't want to end up like
Marlon Brando.

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In article <316d5875.19712130@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

>    Irving's misrepresentations did not end with the publication of his
>    book.  According to Cesarani

David (anti-Semitism is a disease) Cesarani? The man who said "Such a new law
would be welcome" ie banning Revisionism. I've read this little shit and I've
met him. He's now a professor would you believe.

> in 1979, a German publisher had to
>    pay compensation to the father of Anne Frank after printing the
>    German edition of Irving's book, Hitler's War.  Irving had claimed
>    that Anne Frank's diary was a forgery.

Either he didn't do his homework or was simply trying to make a name for 
himself. Some people do that and succeed.

>       In light of publicity about David Irving, who wrote a book in
>       which he claims the Holocaust did not happen


When has anyone ever done that?

> Wow. Some kind of historian you've got there.

Irving's book on Churchill is a different kettle of fish. But then so was
Churchill.

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In article 
           olk@login.dknet.dk "Ole Kreiberg" writes:

>   Everytime an atrocity is committed by members of the White race an outcry
> is made in the massmedia. In Bosnia 10000 Muslims are supposed to have been
> massacred by Christian Serbs. In Rwanda nearly a million Blacks are supposed
> to have been massacred by other Blacks. 

Believe it or not, the Socialist Workers Party tried to blame the Rwandan 
genocide on "Imperialism"; the Lyndon LaRouche network blamed it on Linda
Chalker!

>   The White race is the most vilified ethnic group in the world. It 
> constitutes only a minority of the world population. If you speak in favour
> of the White race you will receive an outcry. 

Obviously the people who control our news and entertainments media and 
practically everything else have got it in for the white man; it's as simple
as that.


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In article <4kkn95$rit@wi.combase.com> mgiwer@combase.com "Matt Giwer" writes:

 
>         The assertion was that the immigration laws were anti-semitic because
> "there was no place for them to go."  You have still failed to support
> that contention.

A point you may both be missing is that the Jews in Europe and the displaced
persons after the war wanted to go to the Promised Land, ie the United States.
The Zionists had other ideas though and they did as much as anybody else to
stop them going to America and send them to Palestine.

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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Faurisson's 'Historical Research'
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron   wrote:
> 
> # I didn't lie about Hoessler, I misread the passage
> 
> I can't understand how you can attribute to Hoessler a
> whole story of which he never spoke one word, and claim 
> that this is an "error due to misreading".

Another distortion; Litwinska said she was taken out of the "gas chamber" by
Hoessler; he said he took somebody else out of the gas chamber, in reality out
of a lorry on its way to it. That was all. You made a big thing out of him 
denying her story, but what you forgot is that if he had taken the credit for 
this nonsense he would have admitted being involved in "gassings" - which he 
never did, and would have condemned himself out of his own mouth.

> 
> One can confuse a date/name/figure, but how can one invent a
> whole story due to "confusion"?

Sophie Litwinska did.
 
> # The real liar here was Sophie Litwinska, 
> 
> You have most definitley failed to prove this. Her story is
> odd, yes; impossible - not at any rate.

Odd, odd, odd? She was gassed and taken out of the gas chamber half way through.
Read what she says Dan, it's complete garbage. Ask any policeman.
 
> Yet, we don't see our revisionazis dispute any of these 
> events - *unless* when Nazi mass murder is discussed. 

Actually Dan I am prepared to listen to anyone who adduces credible evidence
that the scale of communist atrocities for example were not as bad as we have
been led to believe.

> This conclusion is further supported by the nature of
> "revisionist" arguments - which range from outright lies
> and forgeries to the most insane rantings in the history
> of the human race (just yesterday, some "revisionist" suggested
> that people can survive cyanide gas by holding their breath; 
> one example among many).

Actually Dan, that is more of an Exterminationist claim. Recall Kitty Hart's 
claim that a baby survived a "gassing" by sucking on a nipple?


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron   wrote:
> 
> # recall the tortuous logic and writhing that Dan Keren and others
> # go to in order to convince themselves that that testimonies of the 
> # likes of Sophie (I was gassed) Litwinska contain even a grain of truth.
> 
> Needless to say, you have totally and completely failed to prove that
> her story is untrue. You have no answer to what Mike Stein and myself
> posted in response to your lame articles.

Litwinska claimed after her rescue by Hoessler - which he denied - that she 
had been treated by Dr Mengele. Somebody pointed out that Mengele didn't arrive
at the camp until 1943, so she got the date wrong too. Litwinska's story is
ludicrous, re-read the text Dan, she said that she was gassed along with others
and was taken out. Not that she was in a room and overcome by fumes; she 
gave a fairly graphic, horrible description. You know this and you know her
testimony is bullshit, but unlike me who will change his mind when he is 
proved wrong - a la Anne Frank - you're shit scared that if you let go of one
tiny fabric, make one minuscule concession, the whole matrix of lies will come
crashing down on your head. I find it difficult to believe that a schoolkid
would accept the dross you do, much less a PhD.


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Cliff Swiger <76053.707@CompuServe.COM> writes:
> 
> [Claims regarding Belsen]
> 
> You mean the tens-of-thousands of corpses found there 
> were not the result of any extermination action? 
> How would you call it then?

You really are one sick fuck, Keren. When I was researching Revisionism
recently I came across an article in a 1946 medical journal that referred to
the Bengal famine of 1943, which, together with the resulting epidemics, killed
a million and a half people. Not ten thousand, a million and a half.
Can you picture that? I asked somebody the other day about the Bengal
famine; he hadn't a clue what I was talking about. Were all these people
"exterminated"? No, but then they weren't Jewish, so their suffering doesn't
count. Like I said, you really are one sick fuck, but that's not exactly unique
to you, is it? Marlon Brando opens his mouth a bit too wide, Michael Jackson
puts "Jew me sue me" in his puerile lyrics; Jesse Jackson refers to New York
as Hymie Town, and every Zionist motormouth and Jewish apologist and propagandist
this side of Australia screams blue murder. Yet nobody remembers the Bengal 
famine. Look in the mirror Dan, the problem is not "anti-Semitism", it's you.

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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Suppose this is so, although a large quantity of ashes
> shoud be present. But aren't there German photographs
> taken at Babi-Yar?

There are photographs which purport to be, I believe, but a photograph without
an accurate caption is a damned lie. Ask Suzman and Diamond.
> 
> [About Faurisson]
> 
> # Alternatively he might not have done his homework, 
> 
> My guess is that he knows about the other testimonies, but
> doesn't mention them because he cannot counter them. Typical
> "revisionist" conduct. The "revisionists" have big, big problems
> with the testimonies given before German courts. They cannot
> counter these testimonies with their "the witnesses were tortured" 
> rubbish.

Mostly they do not claim witnesses were tortured.
 
> Stangl and Wiernik are two of the witnesses.
> 
> I repeat: what is unreliable about their testimonies? I mean,
> something better than "come on, Dan, do you really believe
> this stuff", or "oh, boy", etc.

Try reading Stangl's ludicrous "admission" that 18,000 a day were disposed of.
Then ask yourself how YOU would dispose of 18,000 people a day in a place the
size of Treblinka. Oh let me guess, Dan. He "overestimated".

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 17 11:39:22 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Road To Cowschwitz: A Unique Opportunity
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In article <4ktirm$2c0@hackberry.zilker.net>
           mike@aimetering.com "Mike Curtis" writes:

> Your are a moronic hoot, Mr. Baron. Why don't you keep up with
> Biblical scholarship before you start prattling off of the keyboard? I
> suggest you settle down and read two books for a start. 1. *The Origin
> of Satan* by Elaine Pagels and 2. *Who Killed Jesus* by Dominic
> Crossan. When you get done with those we might be able to discuss this
> intelligently. 

Jesus didn't exist, you idiot. The point I was making is that collective
responsibility and the sins of the fathers are all right for some.

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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Jews subvert militias
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In article 
           alevitin@fas.harvard.edu  writes:

> 
>    There are around 3 million Jews in the US out of a population of over
> 250,000,000.  That's a bit over 1% of the population.  Do you really
> believe that so few people can be so powerful.  It shows a lot of respect
> for Jews and a very low opinion of Gentiles if you do.  

There are around 250,000,000 people in the United States and only one President;
do you really believe Bill Clinton can be that powerful?


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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 20 09:01:19 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: The Road To Cowschwitz: A Unique Opportunity
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In article <4l2rqo$1gi@hackberry.zilker.net>
           mike@aimetering.com "Mike Curtis" writes:

> Jesus existed, Mr. Baron. What he really was may be in dispute. 

No he didn't.

>There
> was no doubt that someone had that name and had a small following. The
> excitement of this following was enough for Tacitius and Josephus to
> mention the character. 

Tacitus does not refer to Jesus, only his followers; the Josephus
reference is a fake written by a Christian; I have never claimed that Jews
are the only liars.

>it would be refreshing to discuss this with someone
> with a tiney bit of knowledge about the subject.

That's exactly what you have pal, "a tiney bit of knowledge" about this 
subject. Go away and do your homework before you lecture me on this crap.


-- 

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 20 12:42:48 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Faurisson's 'Historical Research'
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> # Then ask yourself how YOU would dispose of 18,000 people a day 
> # in a place the size of Treblinka. 
> 
> Where do you consider the problem to be? In the murder process?
> In disposing of the corpses? What?

I consider 18,000 a day or anything approaching that to be ludicrous. Throughouty
the literature you will find persistent confessions to impossible crimes. Butz
puts this down to hysteria. I haven't yet formed by own conclusion but I am
not prepared to rewrite the laws of physics to accommodate you Dan.

-- 

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 20 12:42:50 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Personal, Heartfelt Apology
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In article <4l1gmk$6oh@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         You have, of course, a source for this or is this another "fact" made 
> up from whole cloth by Lyin' Al?  Please try Sacher, "The Redemption of the 
> Unwanted."  He points to several surveys done in the DP camps after the war by 
> the British government.  Out of 22,000 people queried, about 20,000 wanted to 
> go to Israel.

This is Zionist propaganda; Leslie Hardman, the Rabbi at Belsen was accused by
a British officer of being a Zionist agent for spreading this propaganda. You
might like also to check out Rabbi Schonfeld's "Genocide in the Holyland" which
documents the lies and dirty tricks of the Zionists. Rabbi Schonfeld was a real
Jew of course.

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In article <3175515d.100563728@193.78.33.33>
           dannya@xs4all.nl "Danny A. Nijburg" writes:

> Cliff Swiger <76053.707@CompuServe.COM> wrote in alt.revisionism:
> 
> >Hi Matt:
> >
> >And this from the Jew, Kurt Tucholsky, on the German people:
> >
> >"May the gas creep into the play-rooms of your children. They 
> >should drop dead
> >slowly, the little dolls. I'd like to see the wife of the 
> >churchwarden and the editor-
> >in-chief and the mother of the sculptor and the sister of the 
> >banker die a bitter,
> >excruciating death, all of them, together." Die Weltbuhne,XXIII, 
> >Nr.30 (July 30,
> >1927), pp. 152f
> >
> >Cliff


Hear, hear, well done Dr Staeglich for digging this one out.

> He is talking about the politicians and generals from WWI who gave the
> orders to use poison gas.
> 
> The paragraph 'quoted' goes on:
> 
> Weil sie es so wollen, ohne es zu wollen. Weil sie herzenstraege sind.
> Weil sie nicht hoeren und nicht sehen und nicht fuehlen. Leider trifft
> es immer die Falschen.
> 
> Because they want it so, without wanting it. Because they lack a
> heart. Because they do not hear and do not see and do not feel. A pity
> that always the innocent are hurt.
> 
> (Can anybody do a better translation ?)

Okay, and Adolf Hitler was not talking about the Jewish people, only the 
"International Jews" and Jewish Bolsheviks.

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Subject: Re: USS LIBERTY
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In article <4lginv$1a7@moe.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> Roger Lustig (roger@silvertone.Princeton.EDU) wrote:
> : In article <4kmuo4$iss@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>
>  joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles) writes:
> 
> : >  As you likely already know, it is virtually impossible for a non-Jew
> : >(i.e. goy) such as myself to get hold of a copy of the notorious Jewish
> : >Talmud. 


Try reading the standard refutation of this anti-Semitic canard, it's called
A GOY PRIES INTO THE TALMUD.
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In article <4lbajj$ku6@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> 
>         Of course, Lyin' Al.  The British government -- which did the surveys
>  -- 
> was in the hands of the Zionists.
> 
>         IT is nice to know that some things don't change.  You are still a
>  lying 
> anti-Semite.

When exactly was this survey taken, Yale the Wail?

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 25 16:03:02 PDT 1996
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In article <4lgo1h$fmj@news1.ucsd.edu>
           fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu "Fragano Ledgister" writes:

>How have Africans
> differed from any other members of the human species? Do tell us.

They're so primitive that they kill each other with spears and knives 
instead of in a civilised and more efficient manner with AK-47s and
mortars. Heck man, that's progress, that's civilisation!

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In article <4lhjno$367@boris.eden.com> mcurtis@eden.com "Mike Curtis" writes:

> 
> I need more than New Statesman article to look up anything. what is
> New Statesman? Is it in a book? Is it in a magazine? What issue?

The New Statesman is a creeping left wing magazine; Gitta Sereny is one of
the "pioneers" of research into Nazi genocide.

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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> This is not an answer, as you must realize. What, exactly,
> do you find impossible? Note that Stangl didn't claim this
> was the average daily number of victims, right? But the
> questions is still there for you to answer. You are not
> answering it.
> 
> Imagine 1,000 sonderkomando members (certainly a reasonable
> figure). Then, each of them would have to handle, on the
> average, transporting 18 corpses to the mass graves. This,
> for instance, is obviously possible. 

You're getting even more desperate Dan. Have you ever seen a crowd of 18,000
people? 18,000 Dan, not 180. You're saying - or implying - that at Treblinka,
a far smaller camp than Auschwitz, c1,000 Sonderkommando were involved in the
"exterminations"? Leaving aside the fact that Auschwitz had only 900 and many
of them worked in the property department etc, this figure is absurd. Furthermore,
if so many Jews were involved at Treblinka and elsewhere in the alleged 
exterminations it begs the question why weren't they in the dock at Nuremberg.
This would have been equally a Jewish genocide. Wake up Dan, Stangl's story
is piffle. But if he'd told the truth he would have had no hope of winning an
appeal. 

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In article <4lgs2n$ne2@mn5.swip.net>
           stephane.bruchfeld@mailbox.swipnet.se "Stephane Bruchfeld" writes:

> 
> Waste of time, Baron. There is nothing you can do. Oh, you may
> find a gullible follower here and there of course, but it won't
> change anything. The mass murder of the Jews (and the Gypsies,
> and other "undesirables") happened. And I think you know that
> too.

It happened because it happened; very scientific.

> >This is virtually impossible to quantify.
> 
> It's admittedly difficult, but impossible, no. It has been done,
> most recently in Benz (ed.): Dimension des Voelkermords, 1991,
> which concludes that between 5,3 and a little over 6 million Jews
> lost their lives in the Holocaust. Benz is a respected historian.

If Benz had come to a different conclusion would he still be a respected 
historian?

> What about you, Baron? A misunderstood and opressed genius,
> right? Sure.

Persecuted yes. I wish I were a genius, but the truth is I don't even read
German. Well, not meaningfully. The really ugly truth is that the lies are
so grotesque and the truth so shocking and so obvious that only a moron would
not be able to see it if he had read a fraction of the stuff I have.

>Why did the SS blow up
> >> the Kremas at Auschwitz and so on.
> 
> >Who says they did?
> 
> Well, they say so themselves. Look it up. Prisoners say so. And
> others who witnessed it. Do you think the Soviets did it? If so,
> evidence please. Which you won't provide, as usual.

It's not that simple; check out Brugioni. Either the witnesses lied or the
photographs do.
 

> BTW, the British National Party seems to like your stuff. How
> come? Is it in line with their way of thinking? Check out their
> web site.

I can't get on the Web. Yet. And in any case I don't have time for it. I find
the Internet addictive and am trying to stay away from it. Mike Newland, the BNP's
press officer, posted by pamphlet (written with Rabbi Goldstein) to his home 
page. Newland has now resigned from the BNP. I take my plaudits where I get 
them. At Easter a bookseller came and bought two copies of each of loads of
our publications. He said they were for a library in the States and another
in England. I suspect they were for the ADL and the Institute of Jewish Affairs
but didn't ask him.

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 26 23:52:08 PDT 1996
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In article <317d3f85.10608828@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> 
> Of course, it occurs to me that by the Revisionist standard of
> historical proof you may be arguing that no crematoria were ever built
> at Auschwitz or Auschwitz-Birkenau since you have now identified a
> "better" way of doing things.

No John, I was just telling you what a professional - in resource management
- told me. 

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 26 23:52:09 PDT 1996
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In article <4ll93l$rpv@hackberry.zilker.net>
           mike@aimetering.com "Mike Curtis" writes:
> >18,000 a day in a camp the size of Treblinka.
> 
> And where is this documented?

This is what Stangl "admitted". Try the Times (London) for the trial. It has
also been quoted by at least one Jewish organisation.

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In article <4ll843$a8@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


>         1946.  Read Sacher's book instead of lying about it.
> 

I thought you'd say that. Just in case you forgot - and I'm sure you didn't
- Israel didn't exist in 1948. Oh I forgot: what Palestinians?

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In article <4lmhbn$t4s@Vir.com> jfbe@vir.com "Jean-Francois Beaulieu" writes:

>    Well, I knew that you had this interview but I didn't know that
>   you asked him that question. Tom's idea was that it could speed up a bit
>   the cremation process, my opinion was that it could slow down it
>   a bit, it seems that we were both right and wrongs. The first one
>   to whom I talked didn't want to give a categoric figure, but with
>   the responses that I had in a crematory for animals I'm not totally
>    surprise neither.

Believe it or not, crematoria sometimes have open days. I think there is a 
definite tendency of cognitive bias by both Revisionists and Exterminationists
here; the former exaggerate disposal times and the latter minimise them.

-- 

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Apr 28 10:08:31 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Adventures in Nizkorland
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In article <317F687F.2411@rio.com> chuckf@rio.com "Chuck Ferree" writes:

> Chuck Ferree wrote
> 
> Baron keeps refering to a well known picture of a GI standing next to 
> a "gas chamber" at Dachau. He won't call it a gas chamber, to him it's 
> for "delousing" Everytime the SS stuck people in that gas chamber, you 
> can bet your ass they came out properly "deloused", and quite dead 
> too.

You poor sick, brainwashed schmuck; they really have got you haven't they?
This was a delousing chamber, this is accepted nowadays, even Pressac the 
arch-anti-Revisionist concedes this. If they'd shown you a picture of a baker's
oven and told you it was a crematorium you'd probably have believed that too.

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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> 
> Obviouly, then, Mr. Raven, as you agree that Krema I is a _recontruction_,
> and by definition, this means to construct again from its ramianing parts

I think what Mr Raven means is that it is a "reconstruction", ie nudge, nudge,
wink, wink.

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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Well, Baron now resorts to a claim that, I recall, he used
> in the past: since Christians believe in what he considers
> "illogical", they will also believe in other things he
> considers "illogical", like the fact that the Nazis
> committed mass murder.

Not quite Dan, I have never denied that the Nazis committed mass murder.

> Baron, quite a few times, severely criticized "Zionists" for
> committing atrocities against the Moslem/Christian population
> in Palestine, and later in Israel. 

And, in other company, many other groups, including the British.

 
> The very large majority of this population has very strong
> religious beliefs. Most of them (about 80%) are Moslems; as
> such, they believe in things that Baron would obviously
> consider "illogical" (Mohammed's nightly trip from Mecca
> to Jerusalem and back, etc; they also believe in most of
> the Old Testament). The other 20% are Christians, and we already
> heard what Baron thinks of believing Christians.

I think people have a right to believe lies on faith, but when they come out
of their synagogues - or shtels - and try to shove their faith down my throat
on peril of being branded anti-Semitic if I refuse to accept it, then I draw
the line.

> If Baron has one grain of honesty in him, and if he's not a 
> bloody cowardly chicken, let him come out and say what is the
> obvious conclusion of his article: that nothing the
> Palestinians say about alleged "Zionist atrocities"
> should be taken seriously.


Actually Dan, I never accept ANY atrocity story uncritically. I know what liars
people are. And governments. The big difference is that when the Kosher kids
are caught at it they scream "anti-Semitic", but when the Palestinians are,
well "anti-Palestinian" doesn't have quite the same ring to it, does it?

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 29 08:07:36 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Alex Baron: A Sad Clown (Re: Dan Keren: anti-Semite)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron   wrote:
> 
> # In a sensational outburst of self-hatred, Dan Keren has publicly 
> # denounced the journal Patterns of Prejudice as a tissue of lies.
> 
> You must have realized that I didn't do anything of the sort. I
> tried to point out what a hypocrite you are, for accepting a 
> piece of evidence which you would obviously have rejected if
> it was evidence of Nazi atrocities.

No Dan, your position is that - Cole and Burg excepted - any testimony from
any Jew or survivor, however ridiculous, is to be accepted at face value.

>You reject practically
> every piece of evidence about Nazi atrocities, while accepting
> (even much weaker) evidence for atrocities committed by
> other nations/organizations/individuals.

No, I don't! I reject crap like Sophie (I was gassed Litwinska) and much more
besides. This sort of "evidence" isn't worth a wank.

> It is obvious that, whenever Nazi atrocities are discussed, you
> have a very strong emotional bias that makes you deny they
> ever took place. 

Again, this is not true.

>You resort to outright lies, to fabricating
> testimony (Hoessler)

Again Dan, if I had lied about Hoessler I would have lied to support the 
Revisionist position; Hoessler's testimony actually supports the Revisionist
position; if what I said - in error - had been said by Hoessler, he would have
admitted participating in a gassing, and condemned himself to death. Hoessler
was hanged anyway, but his trial strategy had some chance of success.

> why do you have such strong emotions on these matters?
> It's quite easy to guess the answer.

Your guess is wrong Dan. Try again.

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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com "Sara aka Perrrfect" writes:

> In article <829871860snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk wrote:
> 
> > Tacitus does not refer to Jesus, only his followers; the Josephus
> > reference is a fake written by a Christian;
>  
> And your proof of this assertion is....?

Check out THE TRANSCENDENTAL TEMPTATION by Paul Kurtz.

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 30 23:39:16 PDT 1996
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In article <4lr3hv$mtq@arl-news-svc-4.compuserve.com>
           100644.317@compuserve.com "Miloslav Bilik" writes:
> Then, let's see the Suchomel's testimony. He told to Lanzmann in the
> movie "Shoah" that the figure of 15000 dead per day was overestimated,
> that 12000 persons per day is more likely, as an average in the
> "highest" days.

I'll be reading that soon.


> Suchomel had no reason to lie. 

He needed a reason?

>He was already sentenced (with a
> responsibility limited to sewing workshop, aso), and since he was ill
> at this time (seriously cardiac), he had no risk to go again in a
> jail. Moreover, Lanzmann promised him that the testimony would remain
> anonymous and Suchomel didn't know that he was on the record.
>
> Suchomel, without reason to lie, repeated what he always told in the
> past. That's substantially what other SS as Stangl, Horn, Munzberger
> said; the same what the escaped inmates said too.
> 
> How could these testimonies be so concordant ?

That is a thought. I should point out that I haven't ruled out the suggestion
that large numbers of Jews were murdered in these camps, I have made this 
plain before - Morgen claimed this. I am saying that the figures are absurb
and grotesque and that the mass gassing stories are piffle. As to whether 
there were any gassings at all...

I will say that the little I have read about Treblinka et al so far does not
lend much credence to the Exterminationist version.


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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 30 23:39:17 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: SS-Obersturmfuehrer Hoessler Testifies About Mass Murder in Auschwitz
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> I made many complaints to Hoess about the way people were being sent to
> the gas chamber, but I was told it was not my business.

Please sir, it wasn't me.

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In article <4lrhtp$cv1@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> In article , 
> jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
> 
> >If you can do this, you might deserve to have your allegation taken
> >seriously.  (Given your previous track record of mind-bogglingly
> >inane misunderstandings, though, you might not.)
> 
> The Moran has since charged that the document in question is
> the Crakow Institute's Post-Leuchter report... this should be
> delightfully entertaining, and more than a tad interesting,
> since I, unlike Mr. Moran, actually have the hard copy here...

The latest bullshit from the Exterminationist Lobby is that the Leuchter 
Report is irrelevant because he took samples from a "reconstructed" gas 
chamber. These people tell so many lies they don't know what truth is 
any more.

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 30 23:39:19 PDT 1996
Article: 33744 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: That's Incredible!
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 96 12:54:48 GMT
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> In article <4lrap2$bal@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ehrlich606@aol.com
> (Ehrlich606) wrote:
> 
> > One of the reasons that Holocaust Studies are in such sad shape is that
> > there is an unwillingness, borne of piety, to question the claims of
> > survivors, no matter how outlandish they may be.
> 
> Is this something you've emperically determined or just your opinion? Are
> you suggesting that Holocaust historians and researchers have placed too
> much emphasis on Holocaust survivor testimonies in their analysis?

Sereny makes exactly the same point in her wailing and whining New Statesman
article. Somebody with a scanner ought to post this. Arno Mayer says the 
same thing but he doesn't go into detail.



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Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Article: 33949 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Negroes aren't primitive?
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In article <1996Apr28.065125.7524@wpg.ramp.net>
           ecdl@wpg.ramp.net "Joe Lockhart" writes:
> 1) "Mentally the Negro is inferior to the white..."
> 
> 2) "...While with the White the volume of the brain grows with the
> expansion of the brainpan, in the Negro the growth of the
> brain is on the contrary arrested by the premature closing
> of the cranial sutures...."
> 
> 3) "Cannibalism is found in its simplest form in Africa.
> In that continent the majority of cannibal tribes eat
> human flesh because they like it, and not from any
> magical motive or from lack of other animal food.
> In fact it is noticeable that the tribes most addicted to
> this practice inhabit just those districts where game
> is most plentiful."
> 
> 4) "The recognized leaders of the race are almost
> invariably persons of mixed blood, and the qualities
> which have made them leaders are derived certainly
> in part and perhaps mainly from their white ancestry."
> 
> 
> 1) The Encyclopedia Britannica
> Eleventh Edition 1910 - 1911
> Page 344
> 
> 2) The Encyclopedia Britannica
> Eleventh Edition 1910 - 1911
> Page 344
> 
> 3) The Encyclopedia Britannica
> Eleventh Edition 1910 - 1911
> Page 345
> 
> 4) The Encyclopedia Britannica
> Eleventh Edition 1910 - 1911
> Page 346

I'm not interested in entering into this sort of banter - me being a Lennox Lewis
fan and everything, but I would point out that as Carlton Putnam says, the
early references to inferior Negroid intelligence have been systematically
deleted from the encyclopaedis without any scientific evidence. By the same
token, homosexuality was removed as a pathology. Ie science has been corrupted
by social(ist) science.

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Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed May  1 07:46:43 PDT 1996
Article: 34018 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Nazi UFOs
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In article <4lv624$b2s@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>
           mgiwer@ix.netcom.com "Matt Giwer" writes:
  That was also when the serious debunking
> >>started lead by Paul Klass.  

The name is Philip J. Klass; his books are a mine of information; he shoots down
all the loonies who claim to have been abducted by aliens and all the people 
who claim there was a government cover-up.

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Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed May  1 07:46:44 PDT 1996
Article: 34019 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Let's See If Baron's a Bloody Chicken (Re: You've got t
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Ok. Let's start with actions of the "Irgun" you claim took place.
> Explain why you believe the evidence for these actions is greater
> than the evidence to Nazi atrocities. 

As I have told you before Dan, you are not interested in a serious debate,
you are simply playing semantic games. We know that the King David Hotel was
blown up and we know that something like 91 bodies were recovered. We have no
such physical evidence for Auschwitz. If you seriously want to try to make out
a case either that the Irgun did not do this or that it never happened then I
suggest you adduce evidence for it. If you present such evidence to an historian
he may think you are daft (and he wouldn't be wrong) but I doubt very much he'd
accuse you of being anti-British. You see the difference Dan? You see the way
you people have indoctrinated the world? 

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Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed May  1 07:46:45 PDT 1996
Article: 34020 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: War Crimes Trials
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In article <4lvo85$iga@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il>
           schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il "Richard Schultz" writes:

> This brings up something I've long wondered about.  The revisionists make
> such a big deal about injustice at Nuremberg.  Why don't they ever talk
> about the Japanese war crimes trials?  Were those done in a legal, proper
> manner?  If so, what specifically was done differently there?  If not,
> why are they never brought up?  For that matter, why don't the revisionists
> try to revision away the numerous Japanese atrocities against civilian 
> populations and POWs?

There has been a bit written about this; probably Veale's Advance To Barbarism
is as close as you will get, although this covers mainly Europe. You're forgetting
that the two biggest atrocities - Hiroshima and Nagasaki - were committed against
the Japanese.

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Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



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