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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

>And scum also
> attracts other scum. Note who are the people who share Baron's
> "views" about the history of the Holocaust: the likes of
> Milton Kleim and Les Griswold. Baron must be proud...

And so must your Yiddisha Mamma. I bet she'd wash your mouth out with Kosher
brillo pads if she heard you scumming it with the likes of Crazy Al.

One point though Dan, if scum attracts scum, what is it attracts you to me?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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SEARCHLIGHT ON THE "JEWISH CHRONICLE"

How The Diseased Organ Of "British" Jewry Spreads 
The Fantasies, Paranoia And Poison Of Arch-Liar Gerry Gable




Published by InFoText Manuscripts,
93c Venner Road,
Sydenham,
London SE26 5HU.
England.
 

ISBN 1 871473 43 8.



A SHINING EXAMPLE OF A TISSUE OF LIES


Preamble


I apologise in advance to my readers, both of them, for repeating 
here what I have said many times before, but until Gerry Gable 
invents some new lies with which to poison the minds of the 
people of Britain, including of the Jews he claims to be protect-
ing from the international Nazi conspiracy, I will continue to 
expose the old ones, and in exactly the same, methodical way.


A Shining Example Of A Tissue Of Lies


The March 17, 1995 issue of the Jewish Chronicle ran a full page 
spread on Searchlight magazine to celebrate [sic] its twentieth 
birthday. According to the introduction to this Shining example: 
"Helen Jacobus considers the progress of the battling anti-Fas-
cist journal, Searchlight, as it celebrates its 20th birthday, 
and meets its indefatigable editor - building worker-turned-
investigator, Gerry Gable".
  It was Hitler himself who accused the Jews of being the master 
of the Big Lie. If instead he had said that the Jewish journalist 
is the master of the lie, and wilfully deceives both Gentile and 
Jew alike, no reasonable person could have accused him of making 
yet another anti-Semitic remark. What follows is a critique of 
the Helen Jacobus article, as related by the prince of lies, 
Gable himself.
  The second paragraph reports that during a two year period from 
1962-4, no less than thirty-four Jewish buildings were attacked 
by the 1960s synagogue arsonists. "A child died in one of the 
attacks."
  I've lost count of the number of times I've exposed this par-
ticular lie in print. The facts are as follows. During the course 
of 1965 there were a number of arson attacks on synagogues in the 
Greater London area. (1) There were also, undoubtedly, a number 
of unconnected attacks on Jewish targets. In one incident, burn-
ing rags were pushed through the letter box of a Jewish taxi 
driver. Although this attack was carried out by the synagogue 
arsonists, and although, fortunately, no significant damage 
appears to have been done in this incident, it is debatable if it 
can be accurately described as an anti-Semitic attack, as it was 
clearly an act of revenge against one particular individual. 
  The background to this incident is rather interesting. Fran-
coise Jordan, the wife of the British Nazi leader Colin Jordan, 
had a swastika pendant snatched from her neck by a Jewish taxi 
driver, who was later fined for the assault. The August 1994 
issue of Searchlight carried on its front cover a photograph of 
Colin Jordan and his gang outside the court where the man was 
appearing; the caption on the following page claimed, falsely, 
that Colin Jordan had tried to have Maurice Ludmer, the late 
editor of Searchlight, indicted on a charge of criminal libel for 
publishing this photograph, which, Gable claimed, was taken in 
1966.
  The truth is that A) this photograph appeared - perhaps not for 
the first time - in the Feb. 24-March 2, 1965, issue of the 
glossy magazine Weekend in a feature on Colin Jordan called 
LITTLE HITLER. B) Mr Jordan tried to have Maurice Ludmer indic-
ted, not for publishing this photograph, but for claiming, false-
ly, that he had been one of the masterminds of the synagogue 
arsons campaign. (2) This claim was made in the pamphlet which 
really launched Searchlight, A Well-Oiled Nazi Machine, which was 
published in 1974, and again in the April 1975 issue of Search-
light itself. (3) Incidentally, the scurrilous pamphlet A Well-
Oiled Nazi Machine was co-written by none other than Gerry Gable! 
(4)
  Returning to the synagogue arsons, nobody died in any of these 
fires, child or adult. But, before the synagogue arson campaign 
started, there was another fire, an accidental fire, at the 
Mesifta Talmudical College, Cazenove Road, Stamford Hill, in the 
heart of London's Orthodox community. This fire claimed two 
victims: one was seriously injured, the other died. 
  The fatality was 15 year old trainee rabbi Wolf (or Woolf) 
Katz; the boy who survived, albeit with appalling injuries, was 
Robert (Judah) Gottesman. (5) The fire was reported in the Jewish 
Chronicle for November 13, 1964. There were rumours at the time 
that it may have been the work of anti-Semites/fascists, etc, but 
these were ruled out, and indeed, the authorities went to consid-
erable lengths to quash these rumours. The December 25, 1964 
issue of the Jewish Chronicle published a short article NO INCEN-
DIARISM AT YESHIVA. Three days earlier, the local press published 
a slightly longer statement; an Assistant Commissioner at New 
Scotland Yard wrote to local MP David Weitzman thus: "Careful 
inquiries have been made into the suggestions of suspected incen-
diarism consequent upon an outbreak of fire at the above estab-
lishment. There is no evidence that any form of pseudo-fascist or 
similar activity is present in the district, or that this inci-
dent was perpetrated by any such local organisations." (6)
  What Gable did later was tack this accidental fire onto his 
non-existent successful investigation. In the September 1984 
issue of Searchlight he credited the former 43 Group and 62 Group 
thug Harry Bidney with bringing the arsonists to justice. Three 
years later he had become bolder and took the credit himself in 
his now notorious Jewish Chronicle interview of October 23, 1987. 
He told the paper that he had "stood in the burnt-out shell of 
that yeshiva at four in the morning and made a private vow to get 
the people who'd done that". 
  If Gable did stand in that yeshiva at four in the morning it 
must have been with a box of matches in his hand, because the 
alarm wasn't raised until after 4am! (7) Gable repeated his lies 
in the April 1993 and August 1994 issues of Searchlight, and his 
sidekick, the goy "Nazi-hunter" Graeme Atkinson, echoed them in a 
briefing paper he prepared for a so-called "anti-racist" confer-
ence. (8)
  Another point is that although the actual arson campaign was 
despicable and cowardly, it was by no means entirely one-sided. 
In a personal communication dated 25th Oct. 1994, Mr Colin Jordan 
informed the current writer that "among the many attacks on our 
NSM premises there was an occasion when an attempt was made to 
set fire to it by pouring petrol through the front door and 
igniting it - however it was on a Saturday evening when people 
were in the premises who almost immediately became aware of the 
blaze and put it out." 
  Finally, neither Helen Jacobus and certainly not the Jewish 
Chronicle has any excuse for being conned by Gable over this 
piece of nonsense - if they were conned rather than willing 
accomplices to his fabrications. The current writer sent copies 
of the first edition of his synagogue arsons expose to staffers 
Hadas Altwarg, Chaim Bermant and the Jewish Chronicle Library. 
The silence was deafening.
  Back to the JC article, Gable is said to have been linked with 
the 62 Group. Actually he was a member. (9) Next we come onto the 
other fantasies about the original Searchlight Organisation. The 
Searchlight broadsheet is said first to have appeared in 1964; 
actually there was a grand total of four issues, thus: 

No 1: Spring 1965.
No 2: undated.
No 3: Spring 1967.
No 4: undated.

It ceased publication in 1967 rather than 1968; the claim that 
Gable was its research editor is unsupported by any evidence bar 
the unsubstantiated assertions of a many times proven liar, Gable 
himself. He is mentioned nowhere in the official papers of the 
original organisation, (which was called the Searchlight Associa-
tion), either as any sort of "intelligence organiser" or direc-
tor. Copies of these documents may be obtained from Companies 
House. 
  A full set of Searchlight including the broadsheet, is held in 
the Wiener Library. In issue 4, it was announced that its first 
editor Reginald Freeson MP, who had received a government ap-
pointment, was being replaced by Joan Lestor, M.P. Page 7 an-
nounced that Freeson was resigning "with this issue". However, no 
further issues appeared; it is not at all clear if Lestor did in 
fact edit even this copy of the "magazine", the last issue.
  The next claim in the JC article, that rather than publish an 
occasional broadsheet Gable decided to concentrate on building up 
an elaborate network of "volunteers" infiltrating Nazi "terror-
ist" organisations, is a gross distortion. And no one has ever 
been brought to trial on account of Searchlight's so-called 
intelligence gathering, and certainly not for any terrorist 
offences. (10) The reality is that Gable's "moles" working inside 
the far right incite the less intelligent members of such organi-
sations to commit criminal acts in order to tar them all with the 
same brush, that of the stereotype of baby-eating Nazis propaga-
ted by the lying propaganda of certain Jewish mischief-makers and 
communist fellow travellers in Hollywood and other bastions of 
anti-Aryan racial hatred.
  The claim that Searchlight named the leaders of the National 
Front and spelt out their convictions is true. But sauce for the 
goose, sauce for the gander, so here goes:
Gerry Gable: conviction for burglary artifice and theft, January 
1964.

Graeme Atkinson: European editor of Searchlight, convicted for 
distributing anti-National Front leaflets in October 1974. (11)

Mike Luft: Ditto.

Richard David Roberts, former Searchlight mole and agent provoca-
teur: convicted at Birmingham, March 1976, for conspiracy to 
assault the staff of an Indian restaurant; subsequently gaoled 
for assaulting National Front members.

Manny Carpel, Searchlight "researcher": gaoled at Lewes, Sussex, 
April 1981 for two and a half years for arson.

Ray Hill: gaoled for two and a half years at Birmingham Assizes, 
July 27, 1962, for wounding and grievous bodily harm on a police 
officer in the process of stealing cigarettes. Convicted December 
8, 1968 of assault occasioning actual bodily harm on a press 
photographer. Convicted of assault on a Jewish cafe owner, July 
1979. (12) Wanted in South Africa for credit card fraud and 
theft. (13) 

What was that about the pot calling the kettle black? Back to the 
JC. Gable's alleged claim in this article that "We don't work for 
the police, we work with the police" is nonsense of the first 
order. It is true that in the past some police officers have 
indeed been duped by Gable and his fellow travellers, but it is 
not true that the police are as gullible and as dim-witted as 
Gable likes to make them out to be. It was the police, not the 62 
Group, and certainly not him, who solved the 1965 arsons, for 
example. And the police have by and large ignored the masses of 
"evidence" Gable and his partners-in-slime have unearthed over all 
manner of mythical Nazi conspiracies, from the totally fictitious 
1981 Notting Hill bomb plot to the current day adventures of the 
quasi-mythical Combat 18. 
  Far from being any sort of agent of law enforcement, official 
or otherwise, Gable and his fellow travellers in the anti-fascist 
(ie communist) movement, sail very close to the wind themselves 
when it comes to the criminal law. The violence directed by some 
of their number against the police at sundry public demonstra-
tions needs no documenting here. Some groups, Anti-Fascist Action 
for example, openly incite violence, and advocate it in their 
magazine Fighting Talk. At the time of writing, two members of 
this group of organised thugs are on bail following a horrific 
and potentially fatal unprovoked attack on a West of England 
former National Front member in his own home. Gable's main role, 
apart from recruiting "moles" to incite violence and thereby 
demonising both fascism and white racial consciousness, is to 
prevent legal political "parties" and other organisations (such 
as the BNP) from holding any meetings at all, even on private 
property. Neither Gable himself nor the anti-fascist movement in 
general has any respect either for the criminal law or for the 
civil law, as the police and other authorities well know.
  Returning to the JC article, Gable is said to have asked Jaco-
bus. "If you find out a group is planning to lob hand grenades 
into a school hall, what are you going to do?" Jacobus calls this 
a rhetorical question, in reality it is a totally hypothetical 
question, because again, Gable's Nazi-hunting fantasies have 
never led to anyone being arrested for any such activity, which 
in any case has never happened in Britain outside of the context 
of Northern Ireland or Middle East related terrorism. The current 
writer was told by someone who knows Gable and who himself has 
genuine "links" with Special Branch that the SB don't want to 
know him. Independent researcher and conspiracy theorist Larry 
O'Hara, who has been libelled by Gable more times than I've had 
hot dinners, seems to think Gable is some sort of Kosher James 
Bond. The reality is that Gable, along with many other journal-
ists, has been used here and there to peddle secret state disin-
formation and black propaganda. The fact that Gable is a (racial) 
Jew makes him a useful errand boy for such official disinformers, 
because if he is caught with his hand in the till - as he frequ-
ently is - his machinations can be blamed on the all-pervasive 
Jewish (or Zionist) conspiracy, and his detractors written off as 
lunatic anti-Semites. (14)
  The Vice-President of AJEX is said to be an admirer of Search-
light, as is Mike Whine, the so-called defence director of an 
organisation which has the effrontery to call itself the Board of 
Deputies of British Jews. But this latter is hardly surprising, 
because Whine is almost as big a liar as Gable is. (15) However, 
not all Jews are either Machiavellian schemers, arch-liars or 
Gable's dupes: the Board's Raymond Kalman is said to have attri-
buted an outbreak of vandalism in Jewish cemeteries in 1990 to 
hooligans and copycats, as undoubtedly it was. (16) Gable on the 
other hand blamed it on the international Nazi conspiracy. (17)
  Next, Gable claims that his father volunteered for the RAF. 
What are the facts? Walter William Gable was born in London in 
December 1904. He served in the RAF as a Leading Aircraftman (No 
1467918) from September 16, 1941 until March 6, 1946. Which means 
that the Second World War was two years in the waging before this 
super-patriot "volunteered" to defend his country against the 
wicked Nazis. If he hadn't volunteered he would almost certainly 
have been called up anyway. But although there is no reason to 
dispute Gable's claim that his father was an anti-fascist street 
fighter, ie a Jewish thug, there is a very good reason to believe 
that he didn't give a monkey's about defending Britain, or even, 
perish the thought, the Jews, from Hitler.
  That reason is that Gable is obviously cast from the same mould 
as his dear old Dad, which means that Walter anti-fascist Gable 
was almost certainly a communist. (18) And the communists were 
every bit as opposed to the "Imperialist War" as were the British 
Fascists, and did their damndest to undermine the war effort, 
until Hitler showed his true colours and attacked their beloved 
Soviet Union. (19)
  Gable's claim that at the 1991 invasion of the League of St. 
George's meeting at Kensington Library he stopped his goy fellow 
travellers from stamping on the Union Jack is another fantasy, or 
perhaps he's just winding up the gullible Jacobus. The reason he 
attempted to stop the violence was solely because he panicked 
when former Mosleyite Jeffrey Hamm was knocked to the ground. 
Hamm, who was in his mid-seventies and suffering from Parkinson's 
disease, died shortly afterwards. There is no evidence that this 
incident shortened his life, but it certainly wouldn't have 
lengthened it. And there is certainly no evidence that the Stur-
mer-like Gable is "pro-British" any more than the misnamed Jewish 
Chronicle is pro-British. (20) 
  The claim that Mrs Gable, the former Sonia Hochfelder, worked 
as a BNP infiltrator for several years is nonsense of the first 
order. Gable has been married three times, the first time at the 
age of 19 to Mariana Josephine Amon. This marriage was short 
lived, but his third marriage, to sweet Sonia, took place at 
Redbridge Register Office on November 17, 1984. (21) 
  As the British National Party was only founded in 1982, (22) 
this wouldn't have left much time for Sonia to infiltrate the 
organisation, if she had. In fact, she was never a member; she 
was a member of the National Front, and of the National Party, 
and of the League of St. George, but she was never a mole.
  The well-known former Mosleyite Keith Thompson says that he 
first met Sonia around 1977: "...she'd been in some lunatic 
Maoist organisation at Imperial College, where Brady was. She 
went into the NF, made donations to the National Front, worked 
very well, worked very hard, seemed in every way genuine. Ob-
viously we never really trusted her but it seemed unlikely to me 
that she was a spy because she looked so much like a spy; she was 
a walking caricature of a Jew really." (23)
  Yes, the man did say she was a Jew. In reality she was only 
"half a Jew". (24) "I said to Sonia Hochfelder: 'Are you a Jew?' 
She said: 'My father used to be.' Those were her exact words. Her 
mother was a Gentile, her father used to be a Jew. They lived 
within 200 yards of me at one point." (25)
  Thompson told me that at one point Sonia had been engaged to 
Malcolm Smith, a member of the National Front Directorate. I 
contacted Smith and he said that although he and Sonia had been 
very friendly, they had not actually been engaged; he was shocked 
to learn that she was now married to Gable. Another person who 
had been very friendly with sweet Sonia is Steve Brady, who has 
been the victim of Gable's vituperation on more than one occa-
sion. However, he too was more than a little chivalrous about his 
- undoubtedly - former lover. Others on the far right have been 
less so. (26)
  Proof positive that Sonia was no sort of mole is the correspon-
dence which appeared in League Review, the theoretical journal of 
the so-called international Nazi liaison umbrella organisation 
the League of St. George. Sonia contributed to this journal, and 
made no secret of either her Jewishness or her passionate Zion-
ism. So much so that in the August 1978 issue, C. Horner com-
plained thus: "Dear Sir, I am heartily sick and tired of Jew  S. 
Hochfelder's ceaseless efforts to force this troublesome tribe of 
self chosen people down our throats...Must their infiltration, 
whining and take-over be put up with even in the last bastions of 
white-racial circles?"
  Sweet Sonia was also featured in an early issue of Searchlight; 
(27) no way was she any sort of mole! There is no evidence even 
that she knew Gable at this point in time, in truth, she was just 
a crazy mixed-up Jewish girl. And frankly, there is no shortage 
of those. (28)
  The claim that Gable took over the editorship of Searchlight on 
the death of Maurice Ludmer is not quite true either; Ludmer died 
in May 1981 and was succeeded by Veronica (or V'ron) Ware, who 
later went to live in the States. Also, in May 1985, Gable told 
the magazine Media Week that Searchlight was edited by "an 
'established journalist' who does the job on a voluntary basis." 
He declined to name him. (29) The claim that Gable suffered a 
heart attack is totally implausible since he obviously hasn't got 
one.
  The claim that a letter bomb was sent to Gable's home is du-
bious, I'm not suggesting that he sent it himself, but apart from 
a disgruntled member of Combat 18 or the BNP, there is no end of 
possible suspects. One of the "anti-fascists" he has smeared; the 
MP and former MP whose careers he tried to destroy; the Black 
Separatists his magazine referred to as worms; almost any member 
of the anti-Zionist left. Brian Gentleman, the gullible civil 
servant he tried to set up as a Czech spy; Sun journalist Garry 
Bushell who sued him for libel; and not a few more. Incidentally, 
this alleged bomb was delivered to Gable about the same time that 
a real bomb was delivered to the British National Party's HQ, 
where it exploded and slightly injured BNP member Alf Waite. 
Whatever the truth about Gable's bomb, he should worry less about 
explosives coming through his letter box than about libel writs.
  Finally, it is worth noting that at the 1992 trial in connec-
tion with the fracas in Kensington Library, Gable's barrister 
claimed that his client had twice paid Keith Thompson, then of 
the League of St. George, three figure sums for supplying him 
with information on the extreme right. (30) While there is no 
question that Gable lied to attempt to discredit a major prosecu-
tion witness, there is no reason to doubt that Gable does regu-
larly pay "Nazis" and his various "moles", and almost certainly for 
information on criminal acts which they themselves incite. You 
might like to consider that before you renew your subscription to 
this so-called anti-fascist journal. You might also like to phone 
the Jewish Chronicle and ask them why they give not just unwar-
ranted credibility but any space at all to this hate-filled 
little shit-stirrer. Does anything go in the struggle against 
eternal anti-Semitism? Including giving anti-Semites a real case 
against the Jews?


Alexander Baron,
Sydenham,
South London,
Sunday, March 19, 1995.


Notes And References


The articles on the front cover of this pamphlet were published 
in the Jewish Chronicle, November 13 and December 25, 1964 re-
spectively; they are alluded to on page 2.

(1) For the full, documented story of these attacks, the interes-
ted reader is referred to my pamphlet A REVISIONIST HISTORY OF 
THE 1960s SYNAGOGUE ARSONS, 2nd Edition, published by Anglo-
Hebrew Publishing, (1994).
(2) The driving force behind it was in fact Mrs Jordan. Later she 
fled to her native France but returned in 1967 and the following 
January was gaoled for 18 months for her part in inciting the 
fires. 
(3) This allegation appears first to have been made in print in a 
pamphlet co-written by a Searchlight Organisation agent provoca-
teur in 1973, although at the time of the arson trials, Gable's 
hatemongering co-racialists in the 62 Group tried to frame Colin 
Jordan by bribing witnesses.
(4) If Mr Jordan had issued an ordinary libel writ, Ludmer 
wouldn't have had a leg to stand on, but criminal libel is a 
different matter, prosecutions are few and far between. The 
magistrate dismissed the application, but he did say that the 
words used were prima facie libellous, as indeed they were, he 
also branded Searchlight scurrilous and disreputable, as indeed 
it is. The judgment was delivered by the Birmingham Stipendiary 
Magistrate Mr John Milward on December 30, 1976.
(5) Mr Gottesman is today more or less able-bodied, and works as 
a shochet in Manchester.
(6) YARD REPORT ON JEWISH COLLEGE FIRE, published in the Hackney 
Gazette AND NORTH LONDON ADVERTISER, December 22, 1964, page 1.
(7) Boy dies in London Yeshiva fire, published in the Jewish 
Chronicle, November 13, 1964, page 1.
(8) The grandly titled Racism and fascism in the European Union 
Report prepared for the conference EUROPEAN YOUTH: UNITED ACTIONS 
AGAINST RACISM AND NATIONALISM! February 13-20, 1994, Strasbourg, 
France Organised by UNITED FOR INTERCULTURAL ACTION. The author 
of this  "report" appears to share not just Gable's ideology but 
his fantasies as well. A former employee of the Morning Star 
communist newspaper, Atkinson was sacked after he claimed to have 
been approached by Bulgarian Intelligence! 
(9) Lobster, issue 12, undated but cDecember 1986, page 35.
(10) The one exception appears to have been Tony Wells aka Lecom-
ber, who assaulted a Jewish teacher. Surprisingly, Wells, a 
leading member of the diminutive British National Party, has 
something in common with Gable. He is both very plausible and 
very nasty.
(11) A criminal offence in the wake of a General Election. Atkin-
son is also said to be wanted for questioning in Sweden in con-
nection with his allegedly roughing up a thalidomide victim.
(12) Reported in the Jewish Chronicle, July 13, 1979, page 10. 
This assault actually occurred ten years earlier. If Hill hadn't 
jumped bail and skipped the country at the time he'd almost 
certainly have been sent to gaol on account of his then recent, 
previous conviction.
(13) For the full murky background to Searchlight "mole" Ray 
Hill, the reader is referred to the current writer's Liars Ought 
To Have Good Memories, published by InSoText Manuscripts, London, 
(1994).
(14) For a detailed exploration of this theory the reader is 
referred to the current writer's How The Searchlight Organisation 
Incites Hatred Against Jews: A Fresh Look At The Scapegoat Theory 
Of Anti-Semitism And The World Zionist Conspiracy - with the full 
text of the "Gable Memorandum", published by Anglo-Hebrew Pub-
lishing, London, (July 1994). For a comprehensive refutation of 
the nonsense of Larry O'Hara, he is referred to Searchlight On 
Gerry Gable: Secret State Asset Or Liability? A Critique Of Larry 
O'Hara's Flawed Conspiracy Theory, published by Anglo-Hebrew 
Publishing, London, (August 1994).
(15) See my recently published ...Public Reply To The Ongoing 
Libels Of Organised Jewry... for an expose of this Zionist fana-
tic's mischief-making.
(16) A rare article shedding light on this unpleasant subject 
appeared in the Vancouver Sun, February 22, 1985, page A6.
Church arson not rare: all denominations suffering from attacks, 
statistics show, by Rick Ouston, reported that arson attacks on 
religious premises caused nearly $6 million damage in British 
Columbia since 1980. There was an average of 12 arson attacks a 
year, and other crimes, vandalism, etc.
(17) The reader is referred in particular to the following: Anti-
semitism: the spectre Britain ignores?, by Tim Kelsey, published 
in the Independent, June 10, 1990, page 10. This is an interest-
ing article in which Gable claimed that a Jewish-born informer 
inside the British Movement predicted an attack on a Jewish 
cemetery in Edmonton, North London. (And undoubtedly supplied the 
aerosol cans). Spectre of racism hangs over Europe, MEPs warn, by 
Andrew Culf, published in the Guardian, July 24, 1990, page 2. A 
report on a committee chaired by Searchlight fan Glyn Ford. 
Searchlight was said to have warned the Board of Deputies about 
the desecration of an Edmonton cemetery three weeks before it 
happened. Again, rather suspicious foresight, one would have 
thought. And Grave attacks linked, by Richard Holliday, published 
in the Mail on Sunday, August 5, 1990, page 23. A worldwide 
fascist network was said to be behind the desecration of Jewish 
graves. Gable's "informants" said they were co-ordinated by the 
BM, the BNP, and German and Dutch fascist groups and the Ku Klux 
Klan. Again, this is pure fantasy.
(18) The misnamed anti-fascist movement was largely a front for 
the extreme left even in the 1930s.
(19) Even the Jewish Chronicle was wise to this. On the front 
page of its April 19, 1940 issue it ran a story HITLER'S WORLD-
WIDE "FIFTH COLUMN" Fascist Anti-Semite Traitors JEWISH WARNINGS 
CONFIRMED, in which it proclaimed: "Pro-Fascists are endeavouring 
to spread internal dissension by stirring up hatred against the 
Jews. Communists are pouring out propaganda that the war is being 
waged in the interest of capitalist Imperialists, and their paid 
agents are active among munition workers and even the armed 
forces." The reader is referred to I Believed, the autobiography 
of the time-serving communist turned Roman Catholic, Douglas 
Hyde, for a more detailed and critical study of "anti-fascist" 
double standards and perfidy.
(20) Or pro-Jewish for that matter; one of my Orthodox Rabbi 
friends likened it to the gutter press Sun.
(21) Gable calls himself a Jew, yet all three of his marriages 
were in Register Offices, and by his own admission he has never 
been a member of a synagogue!
(22) The New National Front was inaugurated on June 22, 1980. 
John Tyndall founded the NNF on breaking away from the National 
Front proper. Two years later the party changed its name to the 
BNP.
(23) Keith Thompson interview April 26, 1994.
(24) Any Rabbi will tell you there is no such thing, but that's 
beside the point!
(25) Keith Thompson interview, (op cit).
(26) According to one account, Sonia was a right old slapper; 
according to another, "Gable stirs Brady's porridge!"
(27) Her photo appears in issue 24, (undated but probably June 
1977). 
(28) Rather than passing information on the National Front to 
Searchlight, I have it on good authority that when Brady brought 
Sonia into the NF, she passed on information to the Front about 
her former left wing loony friends!
(29) TO KNOW THE RIGHT, by Bob Huntley, published in Media Week, 
May 10, 1985, page 34.
(30) According to Thompson in a telephone conversation Saturday, 
March 18, 1995, the barrister claimed that on two occasions Gable 
had paid the Hitler fan and Bunny Girl, Samantha Flynn, L500 and 
L450 respectively for documents which were allegedly stolen from 
Thompson's premises. This money was meant to have gone to Thomp-
son, who denied all knowledge of it. Thompson also said that 
Flynn was a raving anti-Semite. One can only wonder how much 
money Gable has passed onto anti-Semites and kooks over the 
years, money which obviously comes in large part from his Jewish 
supporters. Also, there remains a distinct possibility that he 
paid the stunningly attractive Flynn for services totally unrela-
ted to the heroic struggle against fascism.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <49oiu2$mqn@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> What "facts"does Mr. Edeiken have wrong? The "facts"concerning where Mr. Baron 
> was and why in 1983 and 1985?   Mr. Baron cannot answer this as it would 
> show him in very poor light.

If you know the "facts" Harry, please post them. Please post your source also.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
 
> > > So you admit that 30,000 Jews were interned at concetration camps
> > > immediately after Kristallnacht but that this means that Jews wren't
> > > interned prior to Britain declaring war on Germany? You're getting rather
> > > bizzare in your rationalizations, Al.

I'm not rationalising anything, simply stating what I believe, sincerely, to
be the true facts. If you can't live with that, that's your problem.

> FYI, the first releases of the Kristallnacht Jews started at Sachsenhausen
> about a week after Kristallnacht. Mostly the aged, sick, and handicapped.
> (They weren't supposed to have been arrested in the first place, but the
> SA was _very_ zealous in its roundup.) This was due to the fact that the
> concentration camps were so crowded by the mass arrests (Sachsenhausen
> incresed its population by 150% in three days) that they were intolerable
> and that there were fears of epidemics because of the extreme privation of
> the prisoners.  

So what you are saying is that the Nazis were so concerned that the people they
had interned without just cause would die from typhus etc that they let them go?


> This, of course, took time. It Allowed the Nazis to hold on to the
> prisoners to terrorize the "free" German Jews, with the means, into
> leaving the country. It also soon became clear that the Jews could "buy"
> their way out of the camps by selling everything they owned to the Nazis-
> becoming destitute in the process. It wasn't until well into the spring of
> 1939 that all the Kristallnacht Jews were eventually released. 

I've heard this before. Unfortunately I've also seen reports that Jews who
emigrated to Britain at the time set up factories and the like and bettered
the economy. You people can't have it both ways.

>   
> Some "mistake." I dare say one couldn't have _planned_ a better "mistake"
> if they tried. (Which they most certainly did.) You're simply pathetic,
> you that that, Al?. Simply pathetic. 

Not so. The Israeli government made a similar "mistake" in 1992 when it 
expelled 412 innocent men and caused an international incident. Not on the 
same scale as Kristallnacht, granted, but neither did Hitler raise a neigh
bouring city to the ground (Beirut) as did Saint Rabin.

> > 2,500? Really? Are you suggesting that the authorities deliberately spread
> > typhus?
> 
> And are you, Al, suggesting that the "authorities" don't have the moral,
> if not legal, responsibilities, to ensure humane conditions on those they
> choose to incarcerate? 

You've just stated that these people were released from fear of epidemics.
Now you want it both ways.

>That is it okay do perfectly fine to subject people
> to extreme privation, brutality, torture, and disease? Are you suggesting
> that such abuse and neglect, even if unintentional, is even remotely
> morally defensible?
 
My dear chap, as a Libertarian I find most of what all governments do
objectionable and indefensible. There was no civil asset forfeiture in Nazi
Germany as in the US, and as far as I  know it was illegal to torture
suspects in police custody, unlike in Israel. Let he who is without sin.
 
> Oh, my. The _London_ Times! How edifying, Al. There's only probably "only"
> around 3,000 issues of the paper on microfilm to look at now! How kind of
> you to "narrow" it down, Al!

How about the index?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <49oilq$mqn@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:


> Perhaps a visit to Leeds might help clarify who Mr. Baron really is. Or, better
>  yet,
> Mr. Baron's very intimate friend, Mr. Aaron Silvers could illuminate us.

Harry, I am sure that Yale will back me up on this: if you have no facts or 
evidence, create doubts, use innuendo, sneer...it's an old lawyers trick.

If you knew what you were talking about you would post the facts. You don't,
so shut up Harry, don't make yourself look foolish anymore. Someone in England
has fed you some names and some lies, and told you to repeat them here, but you
don't know anything Harry. So shut it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Some Questions for Mr. Baron (Was:Re: A Revisionist History Of The 1960s Synagogue Arsons)
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In article <49onvl$mqn@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> That, however, is not as important as his sudden acceptance that Ms Newton-John
> might indeed be an environmentalist (as I asserted and he denied) and that she
> might indeed spend a considerable proportion of her time counselling women who
> have suffered breast cancer (which I asserted and Mr. Baron denied) He now
> states that he didn't 'know' about either of these valuable contributions that

Harry, why does someone who makes so much about the suffering of Jews - a few
million at most - heap praise of dangerous fanatics whose goal is to exterminate
the greater part of mankind? Wake up to the cancer of environmentalism, Harry.
These people make Hitler look positively benign.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <49oifa$erv@sleepy.inch.com> select@inch.com "m w grossmann" writes:

> I'm sure that is was nothing but oversight that you left out the 9-0 1954 
> Brown v. Board of Ed (Kansas) decision which overturned Plessey v. 
> Ferguson and the summated with, "Separate can never be equal."

There is an excellent account of this in Carlton Putnam's Race and Reality
which exposes the duplicity of the court "experts". The case was clearly a
political gerrymander. What it said, in effect, is that a black kid can't
get a good education unless he sits next to a white kid. Which bodes ill indeed
for kids in places like Nigeria where there are no - or hardly any - whites.
And of course, it is nonsense.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Al Baron's "documentation" of Ritual Murder?
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In article <49ralk$mfn@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         Lyin' Al, who stated that there is tons of evidence for Jewish ritual
> murders (which he didn't believe) is now reduced to the use of his silly
> analogies.  Where is the evidence, Lyin' Al?  You stated it existed weeks
> ago.  Why can't you produce a single bit of evidence?

Changing the subject again, Yale. Try reading one of the Jewish encyclopaedias.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
 
> Oh, cut the crap, Baron.
> 
> Answer a simple question, if you can, and if not, shut your
> trap. Your pathetic evasions are doing "revisionism" no good.
> 
> I repeat the question:
> 
> Why do you accept at face value evidence about the alleged "Irgun"
> actions against the British occupation forces, or your father's
> tales from WW2, while rejecting practically each and every
> evidence to the Holocaust?

You say I reject practically all the evidence of the Holocaust, that is not
true Dan and you know it. I accept that Jews were interned in camps, and that
they were murdered in them, I accept that atrocities were committed etc. I 
accept that medical experiments were performed. I do not accept that there is
proof that the Nazi High Command ordered the extermination of the Jews and I
do not accept that there is sufficient proof that the numbers you say were
murdered were indeed murdered in gas chambers. That is all. I have also given
my reasons in depth for believing this, and you yourself admit that some of
the evidence adduced by Exterminationists (the baby in the gas chamber, the
tale of Litwinska, the jumping bucket, etc) is incredible. What's the problem
Dan? See your psychiatrist.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <49pibq$rco@atlas.odyssee.net>
           jfbe@odyssee.net "jean-francois beaulieu" writes:

> Subject: HOLOCAUST FAQ: The "Leuchter Report" (1/2)
> 
> Post to soc.history, alt.revisionism:
> 
>  Recently, a FAQ was send here from the nyzklor project. It is suppose
>  to be a response to revisionism despite it contain little answer
>  when someone dig a bit. This posting is a reply to the majority of
>  anti-revisionnist technical arguments wich are generally use in
>  alt.revisionism.

Our new friend may not write perfect English, but there's nothing wrong with
either his logic or his methodology. What say you Dan?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <49se05$1k9u@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:


> :>Mr. Aaron Silvers would probably agree.
> 
> May I enquire as to who is Mr. Aaron Silvers?


This information has been in the public domain for over a year: in particular
A GOY PRIES INTO THE TALMUD and THE CHURCHILL PAPERS. Anyone who wants to find
out the truth can order these publications from their library and read them.
Alternatively they can listen the innuendoes of the demented Harry Mazal.

That is my final word.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <49q48p$nti@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
> The idea central to the Brown ruling was the realization that
> "separate is inherently unequal" -- an idea which was supported by the
> hard evidence showing that separate facilities for education of
> blacks were funded far worse than facilities for white students --
> despite the lip-service to equality we find in the Plessy decision.

Wrong. Check out Putnam, RACE AND REALITY. 


I think you might also profit from reading Weyl: THE JEW IN AMERICAN POLITICS.
He is also co-author of THE GEOGRAPHY OF INTELLECT. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <49q4jr$nti@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
> 
> Is this the pamphelet in which you make allegations about Irving's
> private life and (once agaibn) show off your revolting homophobia to
> the rest of the world?

It's actually a full length, illustrated book.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> From the testimony of SS-Unterscharfuehrer Wilhelm Bahr:
> [Quoted in "Truth Prevails", ISBN 1-879437-00-7, p. 99].
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Q: Is it correct that you have gassed 200 Russian POW's with Zyklon-B?
> 
> A: Yes, on orders.
> 
> Q: Where did you do that?
> 
> A: In Neuengamme [concentration camp].

Big problem Dan, there is no mention of a gas chamber in Neuegamme in
the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust. I think this one must have slipped 
through, my little Kosher Krazy.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <49prvu$gc7@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


>         Other then your bigotry and ignorance, why are you citing a
> case that was reversed by a 9-0 vote of the Supreme Court?  To cite a
> case that has been reversed is the legal equivalent of citing the Mueller 
> Document as fact.  It once more proves, if such proof is needed at this
> point, that you are:
> 
>         1. a bigot;
> 
>         2. an incompetent;
> 
>         3. an intellectually dishonest fraud;
> 
>         4. an incompentent researcher and historian.

Not at all Yale, and you haven't answered the question of how a black kid can't
get a decent education without sitting next to a white one. Ironically, there
was a news report on British TV a while ago about an all-black school in 
England. The kids who had been sent here had all been disruptive and done
poorly in ordinary (ie integrated) schools. There was said to have been
considerable improvement in their performance.

The reason is not far to seek. Black kids - Negroes - learn at different rates
>from  whites. When they are very young they are more precocious but the learning
curve flattens out earlier. This is well documented but has been suppressed
for political reasons. The reason there is so much disruption by black kids is
that when they can't keep up with their white classmates they get resentful.
Black "under-achievement" is usually blamed on racism, which is really ironic
since no profession is more left wing than the teaching profession. Not in 
Britain anyway.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Dec  5 10:00:41 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Al Baron's "documentation" of Ritual Murder?
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In article <49qrph$fng@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
> Suppose that there was a book titled _English_REitual_Murder_ published
> in Quebec City, alleging that anglophones practiced ritual murder.
> I think that you would then see some ophblic outcry over the book.

I don't think so. Has there been an outcry over the claim that AID was 
invented by the "white controlled" CIA to wipe out blacks?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Dec  5 10:39:36 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <49qmjq$jfj@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>
>         You're lying again, Lyin' Al.  You identified those two paper as
> the most "influential" papers in the United States. 

They are, they are both taken by the White House to start with. Check out
Lilienthal.

> As Harry would tell you,
>  check
> with Aaron Silvers.

Re Harry, first a) all that information has long been in the public domain
and b) Harry doesn't know what he is talking about because the same Jews who
are lying ABOUT me are lying TO him.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <49qrph$fng@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
> Suppose that there was a book titled _English_REitual_Murder_ published
> in Quebec City, alleging that anglophones practiced ritual murder.
> I think that you would then see some ophblic outcry over the book.

I don't think so. Has there been an outcry over the claim that AID was 
invented by the "white controlled" CIA to wipe out blacks?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Dec  7 08:24:59 PST 1995
Article: 15260 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           potato@mo.net "Frank Weltner" writes:
 
> > [Note: Michael Howard is himself a Jew, being the son of a refugee, from 
> > Rumania in the 1930s.]   

Howard has done more than any goy Home Secretary to keep these monsters off
our backs. He is obviously hated by the filthy cabal at Woburn House because he
has consistently put service to his country over service to them. 


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Dec  7 08:25:00 PST 1995
Article: 15271 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4a02to$f6o@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
> "Case against the Jews," huh? Well, at least you've given up the
> pretense that your complaints are against anyone but Jews qua Jews.

Actually it's a pun on a Nazi anti-Semitic tract. Jews who endorse liars
simply because they are Jews and when the truth has been spelt out to them,
deserve to be hated.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <49u6ka$4ch@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

  The information that I have collected from multiple sources
> is accurate, dreadfully accurate.

You'll see how accurate it is when I shove it right up your arse. Which may
be sooner than you think. Watch this space.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <49v3p8$p9l@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
> What we're trying to do, as you surely have realized, is to elicit
> [Moran, note proper use of this word] from you a statement from which
> we can begin to understand your criteria for evidence; we believe (and
> your reticence to cooperate shows that you may, too) that this will
> expose a double standard -- that you will eventually either have
> to admit the veracity of the Holocaust (including homicidal gassings)
> or else retreat into absolute skepticism about historical events
> in general.

I believe it is very difficult to assess the truth of anything any
government tells us, especially in war time. I believe also that anyone
who accuses Jewish organisations of propagating lies will be smeared as
an anti-Semite. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <49vrk4$7oj@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

> In article <49pve2$mu4@zippy.cais.net>, tom moran  wrote:
> >       What do you have to say about the historically documented record that
> >Israel has and has had a policy of shooting down children for throwing
> >stones?
> 
>      How many children were shot for throwing stones, and what are their
> names?  You claim there is a historically documented record.  You're the
> prosecutor here.  When I hear charges, I like to get particulars. 

This has been posted already. My evidence comes from an Amnesty International
Press Release dated May 1993. Over 30 were killed, including a young girl
on her way to buy milk. Write to Amnesty or dig out my posting CHARITY BEGINS
AT HOME, the one the slime of Organised Jewry referred to the Attorney General.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

 
> The first known case of a murder of a Jew, during what was called
> Kristallnacht, was reported to Goebbels on November 10, 1938. 

Was this before or after the murders of Wilhelm Gustloff and Vom Rath? Let 
me rephrase my proposition: The Nazi Government did not murder Jews in 
peacetime. Individual Nazis certainly committed crimes against Jews, but 
these were illegal acts. Even the Jewish Chronicle records this.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> > Not so. The Israeli government made a similar "mistake" in 1992 when it 
> > expelled 412 innocent men and caused an international incident. Not on the 
> > same scale as Kristallnacht, granted, but neither did Hitler raise a neigh
> > bouring city to the ground (Beirut) as did Saint Rabin.
> 
> And this is supposed to legitimize the Nazis, Al? The discussion at hand,
> Al, is Nazis behavior during Kristallnacht. Your continued evasions don't
> change this one bit.

No, what I am trying to do is de-demonise [sic!] the Nazis, and to show that
many of their staunchest critics have long been doing their best to emulate them.
With considerable success in the case of the Zionists.

> > My dear chap, as a Libertarian I find most of what all governments do
> > objectionable and indefensible. There was no civil asset forfeiture in Nazi
> > Germany as in the US, and as far as I  know it was illegal to torture
> > suspects in police custody, unlike in Israel. Let he who is without sin.
> 
> So you then agree that what the Nazi did, destroying private property and
> confiscating assets and torturing and imprisoning Jews, during and after
> Kristallnacht was extralegal even under Nazi law? Or do you assert that
> such barbarism was "legal" under Nazi law? If so, do you find it
> justifiable? 

The Nazis perverted the rule of law in exactly the same way the British, Israeli,
US and many other governments have. Compare their laws with 18b in Britain,
the Prevention of Terrorism Act, Civil Asset Forfeiture or the authorised
torture of prisoners in police custody - the latter in Israel.

> > 
> > How about the index?
> 
> Ever here about _properly_ citing references, Al? Or must you continue to
> cover up your inadequacies as a "researcher" by offering such red herrings

Actually I've given all the references in my book. If you don't want to buy it
or order it, E-mail Josh.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <49u7du$4ch@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

  As Dr. Keren was kind enough to quote
> the exact particulars ["Truth Prevails", ISBN 1-879437-00-7, p. 99] of
> the book, the very _least_ Mr. Baron could do is look it up. Not so hard
> for a chap that has rarely given a correct citation in his life.

I've read the book, it's an hysterical polemic. But what else would one
expect from a book about Holocaust Revisionism edited by a creature named
Shapiro?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com "Sara aka Perrrfect" writes:

> In article <30C18C82.3087@monmouth.com>, Tim Vawter 

Where have you been, my little Sharon fruit?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4a31sp$p2o@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> >
> >  
> >  You never tire of repeating your lies, Yale. Mueller document again.


>  Did you or did you not cite a document as evidence
> without having read it or investigated its bona fides?

I cited the Mueller document which had been used UNCHALLENGED IN EVIDENCE. No 
one can check every source. If you have to find some information - drug 
seizures or whatever - you go to a reference book, the FBI, official statistics,
and cite those. If you have no good reason to query it you are being perfectly
honest. No one, I repeat, NO ONE, can check EVERY FACT. What honest people do
though is admit they've been conned when they have. I have never seen any
evidence that any Exterminationist has ever done anything like that in this 
group. You are a liar, you are a traducer, and you are a filthy hypocrite. But
you're also a Jew, so it doesn't count.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <06DEC95.01566220.0041@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>
           T08O@UNB.CA "Keith Morrison" writes:

> What is that?  Is it the sound of one man back-pedelling?

You are an arsehole, either that or you are so brainwashed that you think
all "Nazis" behave the way some Jews expect them to behave. Troll back through
my posts relating to Rodney King and you'll see what I mean.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4a3ait$q35@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> >  
> >  
> >  If I recall, I said the Nazis didn't shoot Jewish children the same way
> >  the Zionists did during the Intifada. 
> 
>         Your memory is no better than your research.  

Your memory is selective.



>  By the way, have you ever
> heard of the Boston Massacre?

Tell me more.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <6DEC199500344405@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>
           dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu "Daniel Mittleman" writes:

> 
>     Kluger, Richard. _Simple justice : the history of Brown v. Board of
>     Education and  Black America's struggle for equality_. New York :
>     Knopf, 1976.
> 
>     I strongly recommend it to anyone interested in Brown v. BOE and the
>     related cases that came before the court.  Actually, I strongly
>     recommend to anyone who does not think non-fiction can be as rich as
>     fiction that they take a look at the book in a library or bookstore and
>     just read page one.  You will be impressed.

The differential learning rates of Negroes and whites is so well documented
it's hardly worth referencing. Check out THE TESTING OF NEGRO INTELLIGENT, of
IQ AND RACIAL DIFFERENCES, the work of Jensen, Eysenck and scores of others.
Check out statistics, Check out Nathaniel Weyl's THE GEOGRAPHY OF INTELLECT.
The only "controversy" is in the media, but that's hardly surprising when one
considers the sort of people who run it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4a3235$p2o@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         In the meantime, perhaps you might tell us about 1983 and 1985.
> Those court cases have long since been closed, have they not?

Let Harry tell you, then perhaps he might tell me.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4a2va8$35ng@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

 
> I think one word of clarification is required here, Al, and it is important. 
> You say that you do not accept  "...there is proof that the Nazi High Command
> ordered the extermination of the Jews....".  I am not sure how you  define the
> expression "Nazi High Command", but if by that, you mean the leaders of the
> Nazi Party, I would  take umbrage with your statement.  The extermination of
> the Jews was ordered by Adolf Hitler, the Fuehrer  (Leader) of the Nazi Party
> (and just about everything else in Germany) and I would classify that as the
> Nazi  High(est) Command.  A nit perhaps, but an important one.

That is simply not true. Unless you're going to throw around his Reichstag 
speech as "proof". 

Hitler gave no such order. If there were such an order it would surely have
been written. It does not exist.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> I ask Baron again: do you still consider Hoessler's testimony
> "physically impossible" or "very improbable"? I have asked
> you this more than ten times during the past month; still, you
> haven't answered.

Sorry Dan, I'm not avoiding you, but I don't read every message and I have
other groups I visit. I consider his testimony eyewash. I presume you are 
referring to the claim that he took someone out of the "gas chamber"? If,
as we are told, people were gassed hundreds at a time, I consider that it would
have been physically impossible for him to don a mask, go into the chamber and
fish out a particular Jewess. If you don't see that then I don't know what I
can say.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4a72f5$401@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

 
> Some schools were integrated with the help of the national guard because
> some state governments refused to obey the law and admit black children
> to formerly all-white schools.  When the law is broken, should the 
> government just ignore it?

What if the law says you must sacrifice your first born?

You are saying that you approve of white kids, and black kids, being forced
to integrate, against their will, at the point of a bayonet. And you say shame?


> Such as the notion, stated above, that blacks and whites "learn at 
> different rates."  


Read the scientific literature, there's enough of it: Garrett, Coon,
Shockley, Shuey etc, etc.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> As the accepted history of Kristallnacht refutes your assertions as to the
> spontaneity od Kristallnacht, could you be so can as to relate the salient
> arguments that support your beliefs? Be sure to cite references to these
> arguments so that we may examine the research material you based your
> arguments on! 

I wonder if you've read Weckert's book on Kristallnacht? It's researched
>from  primary sources, and apart from her nonsense about mysterious Zionist
agents provocateurs, she makes out a strong case.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
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this is an apology to Jamie and anyone else I appear to be ignoring. I've
got three affidavits and tons of other stuff to do before Christmas and
some after so I can't spend too much time lurking in the group. Anyone
who has a genuine question which I have missed please E-mail it and I'll
answer it when I can.

Love and kisses,
Al

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <4a6i74$nlc@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

 
> Cut out the very unnecessary modifiers, and you get "Jews deserve to
> be hated." Which is, fundamentally, the consistently Jew-obsessed
> message which you have posted from day one.

You miss the point, John, wilfully. I have exposed a tissue of lies in this
pamphlet and others on the same subject. The "Jewish Chronicle" has consistently
defended a man who has lie to them, solely because he is "one of us" and Baron
is a dumb goy. That bespokes a distinct lack of integrity. The "Jewish 
Chronicle" has been joined in this perfidy by representatives of another 
Zionist organisation. In short, these people have behaved exactly the way
the more lunatic anti-Semites claim all Jews behave.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
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In article <4aa63t$r3k@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:
> Shockley is a notorious crank.  I'll check the others, but given
> your proclivity for...erm, odd and eccentric sources, I doubt I'll
> find much of value.

Shockley was the inventor of the transistor. He was marginalised by the
hate campaign. You don't even have to check out the scientific literature; in
Britain there have been endless reports from teachers and schools bemoaning the
"under-achievement" of blacks which is put down to "racism". In Britain, the
teaching profession is redder than red, which does make that a bit of a joke. It
has also been shown here that black kids do better in segregated schools. I 
believe there is evidence that kids do better in single sex schools too. It's
well known that girls mature faster than boys.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> A few comments there, schllepo.
> 
> First, let me state that neither Shamir, nor Raful, nor Begin,
> were ever heroes of mine. However:
> 
> 1) Begin made the infamous "two-legged beasts" reference strickly
>    with regard to terrorists who murdered civilians. 

Terrrorists like Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir?

>As such, it
>    cannot be regarded racist. Yigal Amir, the (Jewish) Israeli who 
>    murdered Israeli PM Rabin, was also called such names, including 
>    "mad dog" by various Israeli figures.

So when I attack certain Jews in similar terms, I am not being "racist" 
either. Thank you for your absolution, Dan.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
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In article <4aan0h$akm@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> 
> Mr. Baron is going to abandon this newsgroup until  'after Christmas.'  Time 
> to really celebrate. 

No such luck Harry, I'm just not able to spend all day replying to your ravings.

> 
> He also signs off in a most suspicious manner. For someone with apparently
> strong homophobic sentiments,  Mr. Baron is quite surprising. 

Actually Harry, what I meant was kiss my arse. Wouldn't you just love to do
that? More good news coming very soon. Watch this space.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4ab3vh$1rg@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         As a matter of act, Lyin' Al, you have have admitted that you never
> even read the Mueller Document before you cited it as evidence let alone
> made even a basic enquiry as as to its authenticity.  That is intellectual
>  dishonesty
> at its worst.  Moreover, the Mueller Document never had the status of reference
> material; it is the type of material that any honest researcher would have, at
>  the
> very least, checked upon.  A simple reading would have raised questions that
> would have to be answered before you presented it as reality.  

Bore, bore, bore. Like I sais Yale, no one can check every "fact" and, I submit,
people are entitled to quote what they consider to be established facts. If you
check out an old encyclopedia on science you will find that most of the references
to sub atomic particles are completely wrong, though they were accepted at the
time. You're just trying to make capital.

The rest of your post is a tissue of misrepresentations but I will take on 
five of them here.

>         4.  Your claim that Al Capone was tried and convicted for carrying a
> concealed deadly weapon in Philadelphia and that he was denied bail before
> the trial.

That is true as far as I know; I found it in a standard book on Capone and 
footnoted it. If it is wrong then again I accepted a "fact" I didn't check
thoroughly. But again, one cannot check every "fact" and one can carry on 
this business reductio ad absurdum.

Let me give you another example re the Mueller document. Earlier this year
the Times published an article reporting a speech of a Polish sociologist in
which he repeated, uncritically, the claim that the Nazis made Jews into soap
which was called "ryfka" and sold to the Poles. The journalist did not ask for
evidence, he simply quoted this "fact". He was not being dishonest. I wrote to
the paper with documentation on this lie from 1980 and received an 
acknowledgement. One can make out a case here for the paper being dishonest by
refusing to retract. When the Mueller document was drawn to my attention and
I had satisfied myself it was a fake I retracted. That is as honest as any man
can be, but perhaps your legal training tells you otherwise. Why don't we
take a vote on it? Ask Dan Keren, Mike Stein and all and sundry if Al lied over
this. Ask John Morris. You're just trying to make capital Yale, and you're not
succeeding. 
 
>         5.  Your claim that the King David Hotel was blown up while the
> the British army was attempting to defeat the nazis in Europe.

Actually I claimed that Begin luanched his war against the British at the time
the British were fighting the Nazis in Europe, February 1, 1944. The King David
Hotel was one of a number of atrocities.

>         8.  Your claim that there exists good evidence -- in which you do
> not believe -- that Jews committed ritual murder.
> 
The court in the Beilis case declared that a ritual murder had taken place.
Is the verdict of a court not good evidence? 


Re Christina Jefferies, again I have explained this; it was reported so in
an American anti-Semitic newspaper which is usually reliable on facts though
not on interpretation. I cited my source and when it was discredited I retracted.
I haven't seen you or any of your cabal have the decency to retract any lie
you may have parroted innocently in this newsgroup. What I have seen is Dan Keren
PhD and others perform intellectual gymnastics to try to explain away gassed babies
and all manner of other nonsense for the obvious reason that they are afraid that
once they make one concession to the Revisionists the whole network of lies
will come crashing down like a house of cards. Well I've got news for you Yale,
it's coming down anyway, and I will be playing a major part in it in future.
Watch this space.

>         9.  Your claim that AIDS cannot be transmitted by heterosexual acts.
> 
I never said that, what I said is that AIDS is primarily a disease of 
homosexual related filth. I am fully aware of the blood transfusion and 
drugs angles too, although as you may not be aware, some scientists believe
HIV is a harmless passenger virus.

>         Do you care to dispute my research methods.  You tell your version and
> I will _prove_ mine.


See above: res ipsa loquitur. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4aa6up$vf@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:
> Pathetic, Mr. Baron.  From the many reams of environmental literature
> out there, you reach way down into the furthest reaches of extremism,
> pull up an irregularly-published with a circulation of 2500, put out 
> by a fringe group with a handful of members, and try to pass it off
> as typical.  Think you can find something similar from, say, the
> Sierra Club?  Even Greenpeace?

Actually,  you will find that my views on environmentalism are par for the
course for Libertarians. If you want confirmation, mail the Libertarian Alliance
and ask them to send you their bibliography on it. There are several good studies
on it published in the USA. 

By the same token you could argue that Hitler was "the further reaches of Nazi
extremism". After all, the Dutch Nazi Party admitted Jewish members, and 
Mussolini had Jews in his government.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4aa66i$rd6@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> And how does this relate to the fact that the author's name was
> Shapiro?  Is there some rule preventing anyone named Shapiro
> from being Mr. Baron's kind of Jew?


I've read the book. Ms Shapiro is clearly a Sturmer type Jew.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

>How, then, do 
>    "revisionists" explain the very detailed descriptions of mass
>    murder in gas chambers given by these SS-men before German
>    courts (I am talking both about those who stood trial and those
>    who were witnesses)?

These confessions are not very detailed Dan, and they are a mass of contradictions.
Most of them amount to "Please sir, it wasn't me". 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> Face it Baron, all you write about "British help for the
> Jews in WW2" is garbage. England didn't give a damn on how
> many Jews, or Gypsies, or anyone, was being murdered by
> the Nazis. Had Nazi Germany restricted itself to mass
> murder of civilians only, England would not have moved a
> finger to help. 

No Dan, they didn't believe the Zionist-sponsored lies. 
>  
> I'm not saying, BTW, that England was worse than most other
> nations in this respect. 

But we're all worse than the Jews, right Dan? For the record Dan, my Rabbi
friends - the ones who don't exist - believe that the Zionists did their
best to stop Jews entering the US and other countries because they wanted them
to go to Palestine. Your friend Vrba made similar noises.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4ads39$mfd@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         A typical , well-researched bit of hate from Lyin' Al.  There was
> not a single lynching by blacks against a white in the American south.
> You're a lying, ignorant bigot Al Baron.  Citing nameless and non-existent
> bigots to propagate your lies.  For the first time back them up.  Name
> this "academic" so we can read his work and laugh for ourselves.


in 1872, armed blacks broke three whites out of gaol and shot them to death.

check out "Lynching" by Thomas Jackson. I haven't seen the book but the review
looks sound. Then come back and apologise you traducing slimeball. By the way
Yale, how do you know the Protocols is a fake? Have you read the original 
documentation, the court notes, etc? Have all the people who denounce the 
Protocols as a fake read the original documents?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4aa901$gkt@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
 
> 2) To put it plainly, Mr. Baron, there are some things which need to be
>   done at the point of a bayonet. 

"Mein Fuhrer, the people are refusing to boycott the Jews; they are disobeying
the law."

"Then send the troops in and make them boycott the Jews at the point of the
bayonet, my dear Himmler."

"But Mein Fuhrer, I can't do that."

"Of course you can, Himmler, don't you know that some laws have to be enforced
at the point of a bayonet? Even Jake Klein will tell you that."

Philosophy student? Arsehole.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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In article <4af85e$fng@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:

> Where do you find the origin of the word _environmentalism_, Mr.
> Baron?  Perhaps in John Muir, or perhaps elsewhere.  But I defy
> you to show me either that the generalizable tenets of environ-
> mentalism or its historical legacy show a necessary connection to
> genocide.


I would suggest you send an E-mail to liberty@capital.demon.co.uk and 
ask them to send you a couple of their critiques of environmentalism. 
American Libertarians also publish some excellent material in this field.
E-mail to Libernet digest and ask them.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4af00q$2t52@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> If a written order were produced tomorrow, you would simply label it a
> forgery.  

That is not necessarily the case, but any such document would have to be
properly scrutinised.

>I do not claim it was written  in any event; I believe the best
> evidence is that it was transmitted verbally.

In other words you are speculating, you have no evidence. In view of the
Nazi obsession with bureacracy and the reliance on "superior orders" I find
this untenable. If such a programme were to be carried out, involving thousands,
many of them would have wanted, nay demanded, written orders to make sure
the buck stopped elsewhere.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron  writes:
> 
> # I've read the book. Ms Shapiro is clearly a Sturmer type Jew.
> 
> I've actually met Mrs. Shapiro (she happened to visit Brown
> University, together with Mrs. Anna Rosmus). I found her to
> be a very intelligent, and very nice, person.

So was Ted Bundy. Stalin too was highly intelligent and cultured. Hitler was an
abstemious vegetarian who loved small children and animals. People who seekt to
destroy our rights, and seek to destroy us, often are.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4admds$8cm@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

> In article <818502896snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>,
> Alexander Baron   wrote:
> >The court in the Beilis case declared that a ritual murder had taken place.
> >Is the verdict of a court not good evidence? 
> 
>     The court at Nuremberg declared that the Holocaust had taken place.  
> Is the verdict of a court not good evidence?  You tell me.

The ball is actually in Mr Edeiken's court. He assumes that a court decision
is the final word. In a legal sense, yes. But by the same token, at least
one ritual murder took place.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Moreover: can you name one SS-man from Treblinka, from Belzec,
> from Sobibor, from Chelmno, who said no gassing took place
> in one of these camps? ONE? 

The line Dan - check Sereny - is that these camps were destroyed so 
no evidence remained. Assuming there was any in the first place.


> From the statement of Hans Stark, registrar of new arrivals, Auschwitz:

Why don't you quote the "testimony" of Wiernik, or of Martin Gray for that
matter. You're a laugh a minute, Dan.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Dec 11 22:13:35 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Where is YOUR critical faculty, Dan?
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron  writes:
> 
> Baron, I'm making an honest attempt to understand what you're
> trying to say. As far as I can tell, you're saying the
> following:
> 
>  "Since Jews were accused of ritual murder, and this accusation
>  was untrue, this implies that the accusation that the Nazis
>  practiced mass murder is also untrue".
> 
> This is, essentially, what you're saying, right?


No Dan, what I'm saying is that you take at face value the most outrageous
garbage peddled by liars such as Kitty Hart, Rudolph Vrba and Litwinska while
you reject as nonsense evidence about ritual murder etc from historical sources
which is essentially the same.


>  "Since Jews were accused of ritual murder, and this accusation
>  was untrue, this implies that the accusation that the
>  Communists practices mass murder is also untrue".

But who says it's untrue? Who has refuted the claim about the ancient Greeks?
Scholars just assume it is untrue.

Who has refuted the research of Thomas of Monmouth? Historians simply claim
that he was lying. 

 "The first known accusation of ritual murder against Jews is that recorded 
by the historian Posidonius...he found a Greek captive in the Temple who 
told him that every seven years the Jews captured a Greek, fattened him up, 
killed him, ate parts of him, and took an oath of undying enmity against 
Greeks. Since the story is completely unbelievable..."  why?

People have told stories which are fairly consistent with that throughout 
history. How do we KNOW this story is false? I put it to you that it has
just as much credibility as Hart's gassed baby story perhaps even more, because
it is recorded by a competent historian who may well have cross-examined the 
witness while by your account Hart was merely repeating hearsay.

Where is the difference Dan? I'll tell you where: one is accusing Gentiles of
lying about Jews the other is accusing Jews of lying about Gentiles. That's
the difference. I call that brainwashing, Dan.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Baron Keeps Evading (Re: Baron Cannot Answer a Simple Question)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> It's not surprising that Baron would do something like this; it's
> a common "revisionist" tactic. What is surprising is that Baron 
> tried to pull something like this when the source involved is
> easily available. 
> 
Or maybe Baron didn't notice it? IF I've made a mistake I'll retract
like the honest man I am and leave the blatant lying to your co-racialist
Edeiken, but I have read some of the original transcripts and I will
be chasing them up again soon after Christmas, and I warn you Dan, they 
do not say what you want them to say.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron and Hoessler's Testimony, Again (Re: Apology to Jamie)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Is it because Baron, again, lied about the testimony, and quoted
> Hoessler as having said things he never, ever, said?

Dan, a while ago you stated that because there is so much "evidence" 
concerning the Holocaust that it stands to reason some of it must be 
false, but that you have never read any that is patently false. Except
the Revisionists' "lies" of course.

Would you like to estimate what percentage of the Belsen Testimony is true,
and identify those  parts that are false? I mean did both Hoessler and Litwinska
tell the truth, both of them?

What about Bendel, was he being 100% correct?

I'd like to know Dan. Exercise your critical faculty.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Daily Telegraph, December 30, 1978, page 32:

"Other artists honoured [includes] Olivia Neton-John and Tommy Steele, singers..."

Exactly what contribution to "environmentalism" had miss Newton-John made by
1978 one wonders, and wasn't that just a little while before her medical
problems?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Al Baron's "documentation" of Ritual Murder?
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> Odd. If the defendant (presumably Jewish?) was acquitted (i.e. not guilty)
> of the murder, how could it then be a Jewish ritual murder? 

The court ruled that a ritual murder had taken place. Not that the defendant
had committed it. The nature of the Russian government may have had something
to do with it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4ailb9$29m@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> > Have you read the original   documentation, the court notes, etc?
> 
> Has Mr. Baron read them? How good is his Russian? 

You haven't read them then, the trial was in German.

> 
> > Have all the people who denounce the   Protocols as a fake read the
> > original documents?
> 
> No need to. Far more intelligent historians than Mr. Baron have done so. His
> argument is specious.

In other words, you are prepared to quote other historians without examining
the evidence first hand. Exactly the way I was re the Mueller document. 

Al 1
Harry O

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4ain3q$1us@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

        Apologize for WHAT, Lyin' Al?  For pointing out your lies once again. 
>  You cite
> an incident -- place unidentified -- from a book you haven't read and ask us to
>  believe
> that your version of what it says supports your point?  You are laughable as a
>  researcher.
> As a liar, you're not very good either.

Are you saying this is a lie? He who asserts must prove. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4aki56$ic0@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> "Chief, there's a guy up on top of that tower with a rifle, and he's
>  picking off pedestrians at random."
> 
> "Oh, well... tough luck, but there's nothing we can do about it."
> 
> "Sure there is.  We could storm the tower and arrest him."
> 
> "No, no.  Nothing must ever be done at the point of a bayonet.  Haven't
>  you read your Alexander Baron?"

So you consider whites refusing to send their kids to school with blacks
equivalent to murder. Nuff said.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4akfur$h55@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:

> The ritual murder story alledges that Jews, whose religion explicitly
> forbids them to eat human beings, ate a human being.  Now, it is not
> impossible for a Jew to eat another human being, any more than it is
> impossible for the ruling party in an industrialized society like
> Germany to mass-murder millions.  The difference is that, so far as
> we know from their own words and deeds, Jews have been loathe to
> practise canibalism, wheras Nazis had no compunction about murdering
> untermenschen.

In other words, the Nazis were the type of people who would have done it, 
therefore they did it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4aikhu$81g@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

 
> Yes. The Objectivist Club on our campus waged a poster campaign
> promoting the view that environmentalism was was tantamount to
> genocide. I suppose they were just as surprised as you are when they
> found themselves marginalized as cranks.

Environmentalism preaches that the Earth is over-populated and that the life
of a "sea bass" to use the Green Anarchist phrase is worth more than yours,
mine or Harry Mazal's. Whatever Harry thinks about me, I happen to think he
is worth more than that.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4aivd9$31t@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         For his frenzied polemics, Lyin' Al needed evidence that
> Capone was an innocent  man persecuted by the police.  He,
> therefore, invented one out of whole cloth.  Of course, Lyin' Al
> does notwant us to look to closely at his sources.  He lies. 

You obviously disapprove of what I said about Capone. Do you feel the same
way about what I said about Hitler in the same pamphlet?

Oh, by the way. Did you also find the date and details of Capone's murder
convictions?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4al8iu$a05@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> The fact that Mr. Baron will not admit is that he was once slighted by his 
> hero, Mr. David Irving, with whom he once collaborated. 

Harry, you are either lying - or more likely - you have been fed a pack of
lies. I have NEVER collaborated with David Irving in anything.

>In response,
> Mr. Baron has published some rather tasteless pamphlets about Mr.
> Irving and his personal life.

Mr Baron has published ONE full length, documented book about him. That's all.

> Wherever did Mr. Baron get the idea that I had lived in England?

I assumed that being an OBE you had. If I have made an incorrect assumption 
about your address I have also made one about your gullibility, because if you
believe half the crap that your "friends" have told you, you are one stupid
mother.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           cendbj@bonaly.hw.ac.uk "David Johnston" writes:

> In article  mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark
>  Van Alstine) writes:
> 
> >> A while ago I found "literature" being peddled by a charity in Britain which > >> incites the murders of policemen...
> 
> >Which charity, Al? What "literature?" And did said "literature" violate
> >British law? 

Send me your address and I'll send you a comp copy. Then you can apologise.
Any of our American friends want any they can send me a donation, say $3.
One pound to other UK residents.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4al7ie$a05@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> Ms Newton-John and her cousins, Drs. Peter and Marlene Ehrenberg have been
> environmentalists for decades. If Mr. Baron doubts this, he can take a trip to
>  the
> Yucatan and check out the rain forest that houses the Mexican Yellow-headed
> parrot.

Why would they give her an OBE for "environmentalism" when Edward Goldsmith,
who founded the Ecologist hasn't got one?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Dec 14 19:29:15 PST 1995
Article: 16073 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4ama3o$otc@sun1000.pwr.wroc.pl>
           pankiewicz@sun1000.pwr.wroc.pl "Jerzy Pankiewicz" writes:

> 
> Jeff is very brave, but he doesn't include his e-mail address.
Jeff@Stumpy.Demon.Co.UK


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Dec 14 19:29:16 PST 1995
Article: 16074 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: WHAT PATTON SAID (was: Is Griswold making things up again?)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Les Griswold writes:
> 
> [Alleged quotes from Patton's diaries]
> 
> Can a more exact location be provided? I'm not saying that Griswold
> is lying; he may be telling the truth - I don't know. However, it
> would help to know where exactly are these quotes (in which book,
> or archive).


I read this quote years ago by a far right source but have no idea of
its provenance. 


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Dec 15 07:14:39 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4apqns$93v@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
>     The black and white kids were being segregated and kept segregated by
> the use of force. 

Not true.
 
>     Somehow you turn this protection of the physical safety of the black 
> students into forcing them to integrate at the point of a bayonet.  And 
> you're presuming to call others crazy and/or dishonest?

You will find this "problem" everywhere people from different racial groups
are imposed on others by force. Even in Israel! 

I'll post some Weyl soon.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Dec 15 07:14:39 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron and Hoessler's Testimony, Again (Re: Apology to Jamie)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Your claim that "there is a dearth of anything about gas 
> chambers" is idiotic. They are definitely mentioned. 

So are the steam chambers and lots of other lies.


> Cut the crap. I've read much more of this testimony than you have,
> and I found it, on the whole, to be rather accurate. Fuchs,
> Suchomel, Stangl, 

Exactly what does Stangl say? There's precious little in Sereny's book.
Furthermore, didn't he appeal against his sentence?

> Second, this is untrue. There are numerous human remains in
> Treblinka, for instance.

And in your local crematorium, but what does it prove?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron and Hoessler's Testimony, Again (Re: Apology to Jamie)
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In article <4aoq87$14c0@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
> Very convenient for you to misrepresent the state of the evidence. How
> do _you_ explain the presence of human bone fragments and ash to a
> depth of seven metres where the Treblinka cremation pits were supposed
> to be?

Accordingto whose ruler, John?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4aop3b$14c0@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> In fact, the British were well aware of the extermination of the Jews
> as they had been apprised of it long before the War Refugee Board
> requested their assitance in a rescue operation in January 1944. 

They were aware of the propaganda, but they didn't believe it.

>The reason for the British refusal was the same
> as that of the War Department's resistance to administration orders to
> conduct rescues: the thinking was that relief of the victims would
> come quickest through winning the war. 

Not so, again, they didn't believe it, and they were very well informed.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4aoki6$o7f@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> Why did you lie about what the source had to say about Capone?

I didn't lie and I don't think I made any mistakes either. If I cited the
source - which you said wasn't accurate - then it is my source you should 
blame.

> 
> >Oh, by the way. Did you also find the date and details of Capone's murder
> >convictions?
> 
> Strictly on memory, I don't recall Capone ever being convicted
> of murder.. as I recall, it was tax evasion that finally put
> paid to Mr. Capone.

Ah, so Capone was never convicted of murder, but you brand him a murderer
anyway. If I'd say all the things you've said about a Jewish "gangster" you'd
have been screaming about anti-Semitism. Could it be then that you hate 
Italians as much as you say I hate Jews?
-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4as7q5$3kn@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> Is this really how you choose to view this, Mr. Baron?  It is, to say
> the least, an eccentric reading of school integration, and I can only
> be charitable and attribute it to an utter dearth of knowledge concerning
> American history and society.

I know more about it than you seem to think.
 
> Either that, or you're a lying racist bastard.  

And what exactly is a "racist"?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4as80q$4c8@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> Tell, me, Mr. Baron--what do you think of the idea of forcing blacks and
> whites to use the same drinking fountains "at the point of a bayonet"?
> Afraid you might get some of those Awful Negro Cooties?  Hmm?

It's actually a question of property rights. How about forcing men and women
to use the same toilets? "Equal opportunities" in certain loony London boroughs
now means that a toilet attendant of eithe sex can man the gents. That's
progress? 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4as6dj$f9u@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> i.e.
> that he told the police officer he was carrying a weapon, and
> did so quite deliberately.

In other words, he was an honest man.
 
> The entire article, demonstrating the precise nature of your
> lies, is available as URL

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Another Silly Analogy from Lyin' Al
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In article <4aq8e5$13fa@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> The fact that the gormless Mr. Baron was taken in by the Mueller
> document at all says something about the veracity of the sources where
> he obtains his information about the Holocaust, though I am quite sure
> that Mr. Baron does not quite understand exactly what it says.

The other day the Prime Minister was asked a question about BSE in cattle;
he answered - citing a government scientist - that as far as he knows, beef
is certainly safe. Did he read this report, did he verify it? No. As Prime
Minister he doesn't have time to check every fact. No one can check every fact,
and people often cite sources without reading them. When HONEST men, like me,
are taken in, they admit it. When the likes of Dan Keren are taken in by garbage
about jumping buckets and babies surviving gassings they try to explain it away
or rationalise it. I have never consciously endorsed a lie about the Holocaust.
I can't say that for most people here.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4aqov9$2o3c@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> :>Why would they give her an OBE for "environmentalism" when Edward Goldsmith,
> :>who founded the Ecologist hasn't got one?
> 
> Gee, Al, why do they give only 1 Best Actor Oscar each year, even though
> several actors may have given great  performances?

Edward Goldsmith's contribution to environmentalism is unparalleled, certainly
by Miss Newton-John, who had in any case made no contribution to it in 1978.
Nuff said.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4aqfta$voe@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> :>You haven't read them then, the trial was in German.
> 
> I have read them, Al.  Wanna play?

Fine. Who was the British Fascist who appeared for the defence at both
the Berne Trial and the South African trial?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4aqouk$2o3c@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> Good God, Al; in your never-ending attempt to deflect the scope of the issue,
> you throw in this red herring.   The idea of integration of all people with
> the aim of equality of opportunity for all, must gall you immensely.  It  is
> not Jews who wish this; it is all decent people.  

It is organised Jews, socialists and people with agendas. Forced race-mixing has
nothing whatever to do with equality of opportunity as Thomas Sowell, Walter 
Williams, Ayn Rand and many others will tell you.


> Lipstadt has you down to a "T", right bud?

Lipstadt is a polemicist.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4aqfth$10gc@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> Maybe Mr. Mazal digs, Al, but I don't dig.  Please enlighten me.  Mr. Mazal's
> posts cast a rather dubious light on  one Alexander Baron, and he seems to be
> aided and abetted by Mr. Edeiken.  If I read Mr. Mazal's intimations 
> correctly, he would seem to imply that (1) your real name is not Alexander
> Baron (or it is, and you have used  the alias Aaron Silvers), 

He can imply all he likes.

>(2) your
> abhorrence of homosexualism may be affected,

this is a well worn piece of homosexual propaganda; by the same token, Dan 
Keren's abhorrence of Holocaust Revisionism is affected. On second thoughts,
perhaps that's not a very good analogy.

> (3) you may have done time  in
> British gaols (spelling as a favour), and (4) you have had some kind of
> relationship--now on the rocks--with  David Irving.

Harry and his co-racialist Mr Edeiken can speculate all they like but I have 
no intention of commenting on anything remotely concerning legal proceedings
in this group.

> 
> I personally couldn't give a damn about these things, except for the fact that
> you started it all.  

No I didn't.

>So, I would like  to know where the truth lies and why
> Mr. Mazal is not already in court, if he has slandered you? 

Because I am not suing Mr Mazal!

> Else one 
> possibility (theoretical at least) is that Mr. Mazal is right.


One more time. Allegations have been made against me by many people.
Talk is cheap but proving them in a court of law is a different kettle of fish.
I am not in litigation with Mr Mazal and don't expect ever to be, but I am
in litigation with people on this side of the Pond and have no intention of
commenting on any aspect of this litigation or anything touching on it, so I
will continue to ignore Mr Mazal's rants and raves, and in any case he doesn't
know what he is talking about because he has been briefed by liars.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Some testimonies must be fake, says Dan, it stands to reason. But I
have never read one that was obviously and blatantly faked. Only that
by Revisionists. Try the following, Dan, and this time exercise a little
critical faculty.

$FOR THOSE I LOVED$, by Martin Gray, Translated from 
the French by Anthony White, published by The Bodley Head, Lon-
don, (1973). 

page 127: at Treblinka, after being deported by trains, "SS men, 
Ukrainians holding lashes, cudgels poised to land on heads and 
backs. A loudspeaker, a cool voice repeating, $Men to the right, 
women and children to the left$."

Sure, he saw this, huh?


page 128: "Whips in hand, wearing black, SS men were walking 
among the naked, catching some by the arm and making them dress 
again." 

straight out of Hollywood

page 130: "I saw prisoners killed with shovels. I saw dogs attack 
inmates."

perhaps they were economising on ammunition

page 143: "One evening Moishe failed to return to the hut. Ivan 
shot him near the kitchen because he wasn't running fast enough." 
Moishe was one of the prisoners employed in disposing of the 
bodies; very unsporting of the SS to shoot a stretcher bearer. Get real,
Dan.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4as7q5$3kn@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> Is this really how you choose to view this, Mr. Baron?  It is, to say
> the least, an eccentric reading of school integration, and I can only
> be charitable and attribute it to an utter dearth of knowledge concerning
> American history and society.

I know more about it than you seem to think.
 
> Either that, or you're a lying racist bastard.  

And what exactly is a "racist"?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4as80q$4c8@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> Tell, me, Mr. Baron--what do you think of the idea of forcing blacks and
> whites to use the same drinking fountains "at the point of a bayonet"?
> Afraid you might get some of those Awful Negro Cooties?  Hmm?

It's actually a question of property rights. How about forcing men and women
to use the same toilets? "Equal opportunities" in certain loony London boroughs
now means that a toilet attendant of eithe sex can man the gents. That's
progress? 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4as6dj$f9u@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> i.e.
> that he told the police officer he was carrying a weapon, and
> did so quite deliberately.

In other words, he was an honest man.
 
> The entire article, demonstrating the precise nature of your
> lies, is available as URL

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4aq8e5$13fa@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> The fact that the gormless Mr. Baron was taken in by the Mueller
> document at all says something about the veracity of the sources where
> he obtains his information about the Holocaust, though I am quite sure
> that Mr. Baron does not quite understand exactly what it says.

The other day the Prime Minister was asked a question about BSE in cattle;
he answered - citing a government scientist - that as far as he knows, beef
is certainly safe. Did he read this report, did he verify it? No. As Prime
Minister he doesn't have time to check every fact. No one can check every fact,
and people often cite sources without reading them. When HONEST men, like me,
are taken in, they admit it. When the likes of Dan Keren are taken in by garbage
about jumping buckets and babies surviving gassings they try to explain it away
or rationalise it. I have never consciously endorsed a lie about the Holocaust.
I can't say that for most people here.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4aqov9$2o3c@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> :>Why would they give her an OBE for "environmentalism" when Edward Goldsmith,
> :>who founded the Ecologist hasn't got one?
> 
> Gee, Al, why do they give only 1 Best Actor Oscar each year, even though
> several actors may have given great  performances?

Edward Goldsmith's contribution to environmentalism is unparalleled, certainly
by Miss Newton-John, who had in any case made no contribution to it in 1978.
Nuff said.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4aqfta$voe@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> :>You haven't read them then, the trial was in German.
> 
> I have read them, Al.  Wanna play?

Fine. Who was the British Fascist who appeared for the defence at both
the Berne Trial and the South African trial?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4aqouk$2o3c@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> Good God, Al; in your never-ending attempt to deflect the scope of the issue,
> you throw in this red herring.   The idea of integration of all people with
> the aim of equality of opportunity for all, must gall you immensely.  It  is
> not Jews who wish this; it is all decent people.  

It is organised Jews, socialists and people with agendas. Forced race-mixing has
nothing whatever to do with equality of opportunity as Thomas Sowell, Walter 
Williams, Ayn Rand and many others will tell you.


> Lipstadt has you down to a "T", right bud?

Lipstadt is a polemicist.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4aqfth$10gc@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> Maybe Mr. Mazal digs, Al, but I don't dig.  Please enlighten me.  Mr. Mazal's
> posts cast a rather dubious light on  one Alexander Baron, and he seems to be
> aided and abetted by Mr. Edeiken.  If I read Mr. Mazal's intimations 
> correctly, he would seem to imply that (1) your real name is not Alexander
> Baron (or it is, and you have used  the alias Aaron Silvers), 

He can imply all he likes.

>(2) your
> abhorrence of homosexualism may be affected,

this is a well worn piece of homosexual propaganda; by the same token, Dan 
Keren's abhorrence of Holocaust Revisionism is affected. On second thoughts,
perhaps that's not a very good analogy.

> (3) you may have done time  in
> British gaols (spelling as a favour), and (4) you have had some kind of
> relationship--now on the rocks--with  David Irving.

Harry and his co-racialist Mr Edeiken can speculate all they like but I have 
no intention of commenting on anything remotely concerning legal proceedings
in this group.

> 
> I personally couldn't give a damn about these things, except for the fact that
> you started it all.  

No I didn't.

>So, I would like  to know where the truth lies and why
> Mr. Mazal is not already in court, if he has slandered you? 

Because I am not suing Mr Mazal!

> Else one 
> possibility (theoretical at least) is that Mr. Mazal is right.


One more time. Allegations have been made against me by many people.
Talk is cheap but proving them in a court of law is a different kettle of fish.
I am not in litigation with Mr Mazal and don't expect ever to be, but I am
in litigation with people on this side of the Pond and have no intention of
commenting on any aspect of this litigation or anything touching on it, so I
will continue to ignore Mr Mazal's rants and raves, and in any case he doesn't
know what he is talking about because he has been briefed by liars.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Some testimonies must be fake, says Dan, it stands to reason. But I
have never read one that was obviously and blatantly faked. Only that
by Revisionists. Try the following, Dan, and this time exercise a little
critical faculty.

$FOR THOSE I LOVED$, by Martin Gray, Translated from 
the French by Anthony White, published by The Bodley Head, Lon-
don, (1973). 

page 127: at Treblinka, after being deported by trains, "SS men, 
Ukrainians holding lashes, cudgels poised to land on heads and 
backs. A loudspeaker, a cool voice repeating, $Men to the right, 
women and children to the left$."

Sure, he saw this, huh?


page 128: "Whips in hand, wearing black, SS men were walking 
among the naked, catching some by the arm and making them dress 
again." 

straight out of Hollywood

page 130: "I saw prisoners killed with shovels. I saw dogs attack 
inmates."

perhaps they were economising on ammunition

page 143: "One evening Moishe failed to return to the hut. Ivan 
shot him near the kitchen because he wasn't running fast enough." 
Moishe was one of the prisoners employed in disposing of the 
bodies; very unsporting of the SS to shoot a stretcher bearer. Get real,
Dan.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4as7q5$3kn@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> Is this really how you choose to view this, Mr. Baron?  It is, to say
> the least, an eccentric reading of school integration, and I can only
> be charitable and attribute it to an utter dearth of knowledge concerning
> American history and society.

I know more about it than you seem to think.
 
> Either that, or you're a lying racist bastard.  

And what exactly is a "racist"?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4as80q$4c8@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> Tell, me, Mr. Baron--what do you think of the idea of forcing blacks and
> whites to use the same drinking fountains "at the point of a bayonet"?
> Afraid you might get some of those Awful Negro Cooties?  Hmm?

It's actually a question of property rights. How about forcing men and women
to use the same toilets? "Equal opportunities" in certain loony London boroughs
now means that a toilet attendant of eithe sex can man the gents. That's
progress? 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4as6dj$f9u@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> i.e.
> that he told the police officer he was carrying a weapon, and
> did so quite deliberately.

In other words, he was an honest man.
 
> The entire article, demonstrating the precise nature of your
> lies, is available as URL

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4aq8e5$13fa@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> The fact that the gormless Mr. Baron was taken in by the Mueller
> document at all says something about the veracity of the sources where
> he obtains his information about the Holocaust, though I am quite sure
> that Mr. Baron does not quite understand exactly what it says.

The other day the Prime Minister was asked a question about BSE in cattle;
he answered - citing a government scientist - that as far as he knows, beef
is certainly safe. Did he read this report, did he verify it? No. As Prime
Minister he doesn't have time to check every fact. No one can check every fact,
and people often cite sources without reading them. When HONEST men, like me,
are taken in, they admit it. When the likes of Dan Keren are taken in by garbage
about jumping buckets and babies surviving gassings they try to explain it away
or rationalise it. I have never consciously endorsed a lie about the Holocaust.
I can't say that for most people here.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4aqov9$2o3c@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> :>Why would they give her an OBE for "environmentalism" when Edward Goldsmith,
> :>who founded the Ecologist hasn't got one?
> 
> Gee, Al, why do they give only 1 Best Actor Oscar each year, even though
> several actors may have given great  performances?

Edward Goldsmith's contribution to environmentalism is unparalleled, certainly
by Miss Newton-John, who had in any case made no contribution to it in 1978.
Nuff said.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4aqfta$voe@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> :>You haven't read them then, the trial was in German.
> 
> I have read them, Al.  Wanna play?

Fine. Who was the British Fascist who appeared for the defence at both
the Berne Trial and the South African trial?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4aqouk$2o3c@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> Good God, Al; in your never-ending attempt to deflect the scope of the issue,
> you throw in this red herring.   The idea of integration of all people with
> the aim of equality of opportunity for all, must gall you immensely.  It  is
> not Jews who wish this; it is all decent people.  

It is organised Jews, socialists and people with agendas. Forced race-mixing has
nothing whatever to do with equality of opportunity as Thomas Sowell, Walter 
Williams, Ayn Rand and many others will tell you.


> Lipstadt has you down to a "T", right bud?

Lipstadt is a polemicist.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Al Baron's "documentation" of Ritual Murder?
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In article <4aqfth$10gc@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> Maybe Mr. Mazal digs, Al, but I don't dig.  Please enlighten me.  Mr. Mazal's
> posts cast a rather dubious light on  one Alexander Baron, and he seems to be
> aided and abetted by Mr. Edeiken.  If I read Mr. Mazal's intimations 
> correctly, he would seem to imply that (1) your real name is not Alexander
> Baron (or it is, and you have used  the alias Aaron Silvers), 

He can imply all he likes.

>(2) your
> abhorrence of homosexualism may be affected,

this is a well worn piece of homosexual propaganda; by the same token, Dan 
Keren's abhorrence of Holocaust Revisionism is affected. On second thoughts,
perhaps that's not a very good analogy.

> (3) you may have done time  in
> British gaols (spelling as a favour), and (4) you have had some kind of
> relationship--now on the rocks--with  David Irving.

Harry and his co-racialist Mr Edeiken can speculate all they like but I have 
no intention of commenting on anything remotely concerning legal proceedings
in this group.

> 
> I personally couldn't give a damn about these things, except for the fact that
> you started it all.  

No I didn't.

>So, I would like  to know where the truth lies and why
> Mr. Mazal is not already in court, if he has slandered you? 

Because I am not suing Mr Mazal!

> Else one 
> possibility (theoretical at least) is that Mr. Mazal is right.


One more time. Allegations have been made against me by many people.
Talk is cheap but proving them in a court of law is a different kettle of fish.
I am not in litigation with Mr Mazal and don't expect ever to be, but I am
in litigation with people on this side of the Pond and have no intention of
commenting on any aspect of this litigation or anything touching on it, so I
will continue to ignore Mr Mazal's rants and raves, and in any case he doesn't
know what he is talking about because he has been briefed by liars.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Some testimonies must be fake, says Dan, it stands to reason. But I
have never read one that was obviously and blatantly faked. Only that
by Revisionists. Try the following, Dan, and this time exercise a little
critical faculty.

$FOR THOSE I LOVED$, by Martin Gray, Translated from 
the French by Anthony White, published by The Bodley Head, Lon-
don, (1973). 

page 127: at Treblinka, after being deported by trains, "SS men, 
Ukrainians holding lashes, cudgels poised to land on heads and 
backs. A loudspeaker, a cool voice repeating, $Men to the right, 
women and children to the left$."

Sure, he saw this, huh?


page 128: "Whips in hand, wearing black, SS men were walking 
among the naked, catching some by the arm and making them dress 
again." 

straight out of Hollywood

page 130: "I saw prisoners killed with shovels. I saw dogs attack 
inmates."

perhaps they were economising on ammunition

page 143: "One evening Moishe failed to return to the hut. Ivan 
shot him near the kitchen because he wasn't running fast enough." 
Moishe was one of the prisoners employed in disposing of the 
bodies; very unsporting of the SS to shoot a stretcher bearer. Get real,
Dan.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           cendbj@bonaly.hw.ac.uk "David Johnston" writes:

> Al, I didn't write this. I pointed out that anyone inciting murder is 
> commiting a crime. But what the hell - I'm not giving you my address (I try 
> not to let strange people know it, and they don't come much stranger)

why not give me your university address?

>but if 
> you tell me which charity and publication, I'll check it out. Remember, you 
> said "charity", not lunatic fringe organisation. I'll check that this charity 
> is actually registered as such.

You can take my word that it is both a registered company and a registered
charity. I'm hoping to find a sponsor for the second edition of my expose. No
luck so far; if I've still had no luck I'll upload the text next February.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> You mean it isn't in a generally available publication that I simply can't
> order? 

No, you can order it.


> Apologise for what, Al? Asking you to cite your sources? (You should be
> the one apologizing for being so reticent in providing sources! What
> chutzpuh!) Is asking you to verify your sources, considering the your
> predilection for being disingenous, some kind of denier faux pas or
> something? 

No not at all. When I do cite my sources and I'm proved right, people here
change the subject.

> And how about _you_ sending $3 to the JDL for every lie you've posted here
> in alt.revisionism? Are you game, Al? Or will that break the bank? 

You're suggesting that I donate money to a terrorist organisation? If I had
a pound for every lie Jews have told me or about me I'd be a wealthy man.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4asoma$bv3@eco.twg.com> chall@eco.twg.com "Charles Don Hall" writes:

> After this ruling was made, a few misguided citizens decided 
> that they were above the law, and they tried to prevent
> black children from exercising their rights. The government
> quite rightly stepped in to defend these children. In a few
> cases, the government had to use force, such as the bayonets
> that you mentioned.
> 
> Anyway, do you have a problem with any of this? I'm just amazed
> that it took so long for people to wake up and do the right thing.

It's always the "racists" who are misguided, hence the same hatred is heaped
on the Louis Farrakhans of this world. The doctrine separate but equal may not
hvae been idealised but in any case your reasoning is faulty. IF schools were
spending less on black kids' education then more money should have been allotted.
The reality is that "under-achievement" has persisted to this day, and "racism"
has nothing to do with it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4as8rj$6ua@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> I note that the GA pamphlet was written by an Englishman.  Does this
> entitle me to assert that Englishmen believe that life of a sea bass
> is more important than that of a man?

"Green" Englishmen, yes.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Dec 17 09:19:33 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> > IF I've made a mistake I'll retract like the honest man I am...
> 
> When pigs fly! You've been caught,in the past, in innumerable errors and
> outright lies

Not so, in fact in my latest publication, which hit the streets this week,
I've done some further research on a point Dan said I lied about, and 
incorporated it into the pamphlet. I'll post this in February but you'll
probably hear about it before then. And I'm sure the people at Woburn House
will thank you Dan, because your kindness has made this pamphlet all the more
effective.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Dec 17 09:19:34 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Baron, as it should be clear now, is a liar, who should 
> never be trusted.
> 
> Hoessler, in his testimony, very explicitly says the woman he 
> saved was not inside the gas chamber, and that he had her taken 
> out from a transport that was heading towards the gas chambers.
> 
> This is very clearly written, in a short paragraph. There is no
> way Baron could have missed it.

Well I did; furthermore I will be checking out the full papers early next
year.

> Baron lied about the testimony of Dr. Bendel, an Auschwitz survivor,
> for the very same reason.

You're going to regret that Dan, because every time you correct me (accuse me
of lying) I go back and find something even more embarrassing. You will soon
see.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4as7do$g0i@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:

> Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) wrote:
> 
> > I have the Protocols in German and English, Al.  Wanna play?
> 
> And I have the Russian text (repreinted in a viciously nationalist
> Russian newpaper.)
> 
> Can I play, too?

I thought you were going to send me this to include in my bibliography.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4aul4r$104i@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> What does Israel have to do with the extermination of the Jews?

According to the Neturei Karta, a hell of a lot. Check out GENOCIDE IN THE
HOLYLAND.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Dec 17 14:19:05 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Yankee lies about the Iraqi Holocaust
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A while ago some damned liar claimed that "only" about 5,000 Iraqis had been
killed during the Gulf:


The following is from ON IMPACT, May 1991, Greenpeace, Washington, pages 40-1:
"It is estimated that 100,000 - 200,000 Iraqi military personnel, 5,000-10,000
Iraqi civilians, and 2,000-5,000 Kuwaitis died in the course of the air war and
the ground war."


The Red Cross in London confirmed that; they thought the figure espoused in
this newsgroup was a sick joke. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Dec 17 23:21:26 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> I've missed Baron's original article, and now saw Mr. Morisson's
> reply. Mine is the same: I don't see anything which I think
> is hard to believe, or doesn't make sense, about this testimony.


Give them enough rope. This testimony is an admitted fake. The Exterminationist
Gitta Sereny lambasted it in her 1979 New Statesman article THE MEN WHO WHITEWAHSH
HITLER. The book was actually ghost written by the French novelist Max Gallo.

Sereny also attacked other Exterminationist fakes, although her main thrust 
was that Jews fail to condemn such brazen lies because "tragically they fear
renewed anti-Semitism" and because such writings give aid and comfort to 
Revisionism. Like I said Dan: Where is YOUR critical faculty? I had the balls
to denounce the Lachout Document, when will you and your crowd also have the 
balls to denounce a lie that furthers your vested interest?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> I guess the first question could be, "how much Jews does Greenpeace
> believe were killed by the Nazis in WW2, and would Baron also
> accept their estimate to this as well?" - but we know very well
> that no revisionazi is capable of answering this question about
> standards of accepting evidence, don't we? And why? Because they're
> a bunch of lying hypocrites, that's why.
>  
> Re the 100,000 - 200,000 figure - how was it derived, and is it
> supported by experts?

>From  sources totally unpoluted by the vested interests of the US government.
I can't say the same thing about the death toll for Jews in World War Two.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Dec 17 23:21:27 PST 1995
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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:

> I'm not sure about Sowell or Rand, but I'd seriously doubt that Walter 
> Williams has written anything against _Brown v. BOE_ or its enforcement.  
> I know he's against affirmative action and busing, but he's most 
> definitely in favor of equal treatment under the law.  I'm willing to be 
> shown wrong on this point, of course.

Brown v Topeka was not about equal opportunities, it was a piece of political
gerrymandering by people whose hatred of Western civilisation knows no bounds.
There was, for example, the instance with the dolls, which was meant to "prove"
that black kids feel they are inferior when segregated. 



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Dec 17 23:21:28 PST 1995
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In article <4avm84$t0b@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

>     It occurs to me that it might simply have been a bit of semantic
> confusion or misreading/misunderstanding of the topic of discussion, given
> that 5,000 appears as one estimate in the _civilian_ death toll from your
> own source.  However, you have no hesitation about claiming that it is a
> _lie_.  He who asserts must prove, Al.  Prove that the person who wrote
> this _deliberately_ wrote a falsehood. 

Several people slagged me off for claiming that 100,000 plus Iraqis had died.
One even said that George Bush did everything he could to minimise the death
toll. Just how much humanitarian aid is reaching the Iraqi people today?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> One of the frequent posters on this group suggested to me
> that Baron is "sincere, but dumb", and that he had not
> seen evidence that Baron intentionally lies. I don't see
> how this hypothesis can still be supported after Baron's
> blatant misquote and distortion of Hoessler's testimony; I
> don't see how anyone could have made such a mistake. The
> text is short and simple. 

In view of some of the "simple" mistakes you've made - like accepting
uncritically the lies of self-confessed liar Martin Gray, that is quite a
statement.
 
> There's also the blatant misquote of Dr. Bendel's testimony;
> Baron quoted him as saying that an SS-man executed a group
> of prisoners by shooting them through their necks, killing
> five of them with each bullet. 

Like I said Dan, I will be digging out the actual transcripts of this sometime.

The source he quote (Bendel's
> testimony in "The Belsen Trial") says nothing of the sort;
> Dr. Bendel only said that the prisoners were lined up in
> rows of five and then shot.
 
You forgot Bendel's other testimony:

page 132: the capacity of Krema 4 was 1,000 bodies per day and of the 
trenches, 1,000 per hour!
page 133: 500 Sonderkommando were killed, 100 of them in Krema 1, 400 in 
Krema 3 on October 7, 1944.

How did he know, Dan? Did he see them? was he present? Did he count the bodies?

page 133: 100 people were put in rows of five and shot through the neck with 
a single bullet by an SS man. 

IN ROWS OF FIVE AND SHOT WITH A SINGLE BULLET. What does that suggest to you
Dan?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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$The Jew In American Politics$, by Nathaniel Weyl, published by 
Arlington House, (1968). 

Weyl on the ADL: page 143: "The Anti-Defamation League supposedly 
exists to refute slanders against the Jewish people and promote 
tolerance amongst the non-Jewish majority. It is difficult to 
believe that the best way of bringing this about is for the 
national chairman of the ADL to slander some twenty per cent of 
the American people as associates of 'kooks,' 'bigots' and 
'yahoos.'"

This is a reference to a 1964 ADL publication - $Danger on the 
right$ - which attempted to smear "Extreme Conservatives" as anti-
Semites.


Weyl page 267
"The Jewish syndrome concerning racial equality reflects the Nazi 
ordeal and the extermination [sic] camps." 

page 267: "The enormity of which Nazism was guilty was not that its views 
on race were wrong...but that its purpose was to oppress or 
exterminate those peoples it considered inferior."

page 248 "...one can probably say that, to the extent that any 
modern political anti-Semitism exists currently in the South, it 
is a reaction against the prominence of Jews in pro-Communist and 
in pro-Negro organizations."

pages 248-8: commenting on "civil rights", Weyl says, "Militant 
Negro leaders slowly began to realise that the spate of legisla-
tion enacted in their behalf under Presidents Kennedy and Johnson 
had not fundamentally altered the economic condition or remedied 
the social isolation of the vast majority of Negroes." 


page 265 "There is no reason why the intelligent Negro should be 
compelled to  carry the stupid one on his back."

page 265 "...the Negro is entitled to equality under the law and 
equality of opportunity. Like other Americans, he is entitled to 
nothing more."

page 270 Census data found that 44.1% of Chinese and Japanese 
Americans go to college, 21.4% of whites, 80% of Jews and 8% of 
Negroes


page 286: an official of CORE told Jews in Vermont N.Y. that 
"Hitler made one mistake when he didn't kill enough of you." An 
American Jewish Congress member resigned from the Board when the 
organisation failed to condemn this comment in forthright terms.

That's what you get for sticking in your big nose where it's not wanted,
Messrs Edeiken, Mazal and Klein.

pages 287-8 "American Jews have fought for a recognition of the 
Negro's right to equality of opportunity and for his right to 
attend schools which are not segregated on the basis of race. 
Unfortunately, in a display of masochistic sympathy for the 
underdog, they have gone much further than this. They have sup-
ported enforced race-mixing in the schools to the detriment of 
educational standards and they have backed forced race-mixing in 
residential districts to the detriment of public safety." 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Q. Mr. witness, what would you say if someone visited a plant in
>    Auschwitz twice or three times a year for a period of one or two
>    days? Would he then have to gain knowledge about these things?

Heck yes, why one time a group of them walked past one of the constantly
burning trenches - you know Dan, the ones that were half a mile long and 
fifty or sixty yards wide - and they didn't notice SS Man Moll throwing babies
into the fire at all.

 
> Q. Mr. witness, did you personally ever witness the gassing of human
>    beings?


Right on, I was the one who told Kitty Hart about the baby that survived the
gassing. I even saw SS man Wagner throw it in the oven. 


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Q. Mr. witness, what would you say if someone visited a plant in
>    Auschwitz twice or three times a year for a period of one or two
>    days? Would he then have to gain knowledge about these things?

Heck yes, why one time a group of them walked past one of the constantly
burning trenches - you know Dan, the ones that were half a mile long and 
fifty or sixty yards wide - and they didn't notice SS Man Moll throwing babies
into the fire at all.

 
> Q. Mr. witness, did you personally ever witness the gassing of human
>    beings?


Right on, I was the one who told Kitty Hart about the baby that survived the
gassing. I even saw SS man Wagner throw it in the oven. 


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4b1a36$kqm@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:

> Alexander Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> 
> > I thought you were going to send me this to include in my bibliography.
> 
> Well, I prefer to keep my copy of the article, but I can give you the
> reference.  I was just looking at the article, however, and it is only
> an excerpt of brief parts of several of the protocols.
> 
> "<> o Presse".  _Pamiat'_ No. 1.
> January, 1991.  p. 8.

Hmm, Walter Laqueuer mentions this in his recent book on Russia.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4b1alt$30l8@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

 
> I have read Ayn Rand.  Virtually all of her books.  Please cite the books by Ayn> Rand that support what you  have just said.

Try the essay "Racism" in THE VIRTUE OF SELFISHNESS.

> Lipstadt is accurate.  Have you ever read her?

Yes, what she doesn't say is more interesting than what she does; I plan to
write a critique of her some day.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4b1am5$2b52@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> In message <819060886snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> - Alexander Baron  demon.co.uk> writes:

> The Bern trial and the South African trial are irrelevant to this thread.  Let's
> stick to the text.

I see, you're stalling for time so you can look it up.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4b0k8s$a0k@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Let me explain it to you, Mr. Baron: it means your sources of
> information which deny the Holocaust are written by liars.

It means that Revisionists - like Exterminationists - are not averse either
to gilding the lily or outright fraud in order to perpetuate a dogma. I'm
not interested in dogma. My latest pamphlet exposes a hatful of lies from
Exterminationist sources; it's out now so the shit will hit the fan very soon.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Same here; I never saw any proof that it is impossible for this to
> happen. Here's a reply someone posted sometime ago to this very
> same material, on a different newsgroup:

You never see proof of anything except Revisionist lies.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4b13m9$mg6@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

  I don't think Dr. Keren was the one who should feel embarrassed
> about that. 

I think Dr Keren should feel acutely embarrassed; I certainly wouldn't like
to defend the claims he makes in a court of law. Furthermore, his allegations
against me about lying do him no good. Everytime I have made an error or been
misled - eg the Mueller Document - I have admitted it. Every time. Dan on the 
other hand goes to inordinate lengths to affirm the most absurd claims. Are you
really asking intelligent, computer literate people to believe that prisoners
were lined up five in a row and dispatched thus with one bullet, not once but
twenty times?

When did Bendel see this? The same time he saw a thousand bodies an hour burned
in the ditches? Grow up, Mike.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4b2es5$q8n@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
> 
> I like to think that Jewish participation in the Civil Rights movement
> in the United States, and in other humanitarian causes

Nothing humanitarian about the "civil rights" movement, and Negro "anti-Semitism"
is the living proof of this.

 such as relief
> for Bosnia, has something to do with our sense of having learned
> something from the persecution that we, as a people, have endured.

Credit where credit is due, I applaud all efforts with relation to Bosnia.


> > page 265 "There is no reason why the intelligent Negro should be 
> > compelled to  carry the stupid one on his back."
> 
> More importantly, Mr. Baron, there is no reason why the millions
> of intelligent and honest blacks should be forced to endure the
> daily humiliation and teror of living in a violently racist
> society.  

As the majority of violent crime in the United States is black, much of it
black on black, you could be right.

 
> > page 286: an official of CORE told Jews in Vermont N.Y. that 
> > "Hitler made one mistake when he didn't kill enough of you." An 
> > American Jewish Congress member resigned from the Board when the 
> > organisation failed to condemn this comment in forthright terms.
> 
> There's nothing suprising about the fact that a civil rights
> leader may have said something antisemetic.  

Maybe this wasn't anti-Semitism so much as a "keep your big nose out of 
our business" type remark.

> > pages 287-8 "American Jews have fought for a recognition of the 
> > Negro's right to equality of opportunity and for his right to 
> > attend schools which are not segregated on the basis of race. 
> > Unfortunately, in a display of masochistic sympathy for the 
> > underdog, they have gone much further than this. They have sup-
> > ported enforced race-mixing in the schools to the detriment of 
> > educational standards and they have backed forced race-mixing in 
> > residential districts to the detriment of public safety." 
> 
> It is regretable that the author expressed such an unjust sentiment
> in the 1960's.  It is astounding that you continue to repeat it in
> the present day.  I am learning under the tutelage of brilliant
> African American professors at my college.  I enjoy the advice of
> an African American physician when I am ill (and my father has
> benefitted from a business partnership with another African American
> physician.) 

Again you are extrapolating from the individual to the group. Another fallacy.


> Your opinions on race are odious, Mr. Baron -- far more odious, even
> than your views on Jews and on the Holocaust.  What is especially
> amazing is that you, a self-professed libertarian who distrusts
> government and claims to have suffered from police overzealousness --

Not police over-zealousness, the unconditional racial hatred of a group of
fanatical kosher fascists who have think they can trample over everyone
just because their forefathers had a rough time. Well, they can't trample
over me.

I take it you don't think much of Mr Weyl? I don't think he'd like you either.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4b2ovu$g1k@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> Mr. Baron knows full well that much of the information regarding his person
> is in the public domain.  

Harry, the Protocols of Zion is in the public domain, as are the Turin Shroud,
the Hitler Diaries and the MJ-12 saucer crash documents.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:

> 
> Uhmmm, err....and the title of a book or article by Walter Williams which 
> argues in favor of segregation, or against _Brown_ was....??  Do you 
> seriously mean to suggest that Walter Williams prefers _Plessey v. 
> Ferguson_ as you do?

I've read a few articles by Williams. Sowell's CIVIL RIGHT: RHETORIC OR REALITY?
is an excellent book, and he clearly doesn't think much of affirmative action.
He has also correctly analysed Apartheid as a form of socialism.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4b4cea$ol@eco.twg.com> chall@eco.twg.com "Charles Don Hall" writes:

 
> But the schools were *already* required to have equal funding. (This 
> was mandated by the "Seperate but equal" doctrine established in
> Plessy v. Ferguson). But they were ignoring this requirement.

Then it should have been rigorously enforced; if it was being ignored.

> 
> And I might have misled you by implying that school funding was the
> only problem. There was also a long history of keeping the good
> teachers at the "white" schools, and shipping off the problem teachers
> to the "black" schools.

In Britain we have solved that problem: all schools have bad teachers.

> Anyway, like I said before, "Do you have a problem with any of this?"
> I gather that you don't think the schools should be integrated, but
> why not?

I don't think people should be compelled to do anything. In the South as in
South Africa it is not "racism" but deep social mores which cause segregation.
Incidentally, the South Africans have never regarded themselves as "racist". In
1977 they banned a book on Yasir Arafat because it was said to be offensive
to Moslems.

You will find that everywhere the world over people don't want FORCED race-mixing;
the only people who seem to are socialists and their fellow travellers. Including
those whose obsession with fighting "racism" leads them to identify any form
of race consciousness (except their own) with "gas chambers".


> Is it because you think that racial tensions will increase? That's
> not a valid reason, either. Integration works to reduce racial
> tension, because it gives the kids a chance to get to know each
> other as individuals.

That is totally contrary to fact.

> 
> (I'm speaking from experience here...I attended public school in 
> rural Maryland, in a county that was about 50% black. I noticed
> that blacks were under-represented in the accelerated classes,
> but the ones that *were* there were perfectly capable of doing
> the work.

This "under-represented" stuff really gets me. There is no such thing as
"under-representation".


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4b2c79$534@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
>           Treblinka: Wartime Aerial Photos of Treblinka Cast
>                   New Doubt on "Death Camp" Claims 
> 
>    Jewish historian Rachel Auerbach, a member of an official Polish
>    commission that inspected the camp site in November 1945 -- that
>    is, a few months after the end of the war -- reported finding large
>    human bones, "rotted masses of corpses," "pieces of half-rotted
>    corpses," and "fully dressed" corpses, at the Treblinka camp
>    site. (note 62)
> 
>    In the area where the gas chambers were supposed to have been
>    located, the commission's team of 30 excavation workers reportedly
>    found "human remains, partially in the process of decay," and an
>    unspecified amount of ash. Untouched sandy soil was reached at 7.5
>    meters, at which point the digging was halted. An accompanying
>    photograph of an excavated pit reveals some large bones. (note 63)

Was this the same "commission" that found human soap, hair, and a hundred
tonnes of pulped bone that the Nazis flogged to German capitalists? 

>    Poland's "Central Commission for Investigation of German Crimes"
>    reported that "large quantities of ashes mixed with sand, among
>    which are numerous human bones, often with the remains of
>    decomposing tissues," were found in the five acre (two hectare)
>    burial area during an examination of the site shortly after the end
>    of the war. (note 64) 

Thanks for the reference; this will go onto my list. Keren has already given
me more than enough to hoist them with their own petard. Keep 'em coming.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4b20od$1558@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Since it is not true that all environmentalists are represented by the
> Green Anarchists, it is just as true, that is, not at all true, that
> the Green Anrachists represent all Englishmen.

And that not all "Nazis" and "racists" represent vicious anti-Semites and
bigots. Two can play semantics.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Dec 20 09:15:41 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron's Big Chance (Re: RABIN-STERN GANG/IRGUN OR???)
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In article <4b2mv4$fua@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> Who can this mysterious 'Rabbi' be? Is he another fine, upstanding member of
> the community or is it some chap whose past is as dark as Mr. Baron's?  

Sure Harry, and perhaps he was defrocked for molesting little boys in his 
synagogue. Or perhaps he doesn't exist. Which is it Harry?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article <4b2c0v$i3c@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

 
>     Now I'm confused.  Are you saying the incidents related are admitted
> to be made up of whole cloth, never seen by anyone involved in writing
> about them, or are you merely saying that Martin Gray falsely claimed to
> be sole author of a work which was really "Martin Gray as told to Max
> Gallo?" 

You should read Sereny's article; Gray was never at Treblinka. His book was 
published in French in 1972 and within a year had gone through 18 editions.
It was serialised in the Observer, but the Sunday Times - a newspaper that has
also had the balls to document human rights abuses in Israel - found major
inconsistencies with it. 

In her article, Sereny said she phoned Gray and he admitted that he had never
been there. She takes a few other people to task too, including Martin Gilbert
for his gullibility.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Dec 20 09:15:42 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

 
> Oh, the writer lied? Well, shame on him for lying.
> 
> Your point being?

Are you saying lies don't matter when they support the Exterminationist case?
> 
> Because his lies were similar to other Holocaust testimony, that other 
> testimony must be lies as well? Doesn't work that way, Al.

I'm afraid it does, you simply assume that other testimony is truthful.

> 
> That because we didn't recognize a bit of fiction obviously based on bits 
> and pieces of authentic Holocaust testimony 

Who says it was based on Holocaust testimony?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Dec 20 09:15:43 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> I never heard of Martin Gray. What I meant, obviously, is that
> the testimony is not contradictory to what took place in Treblinka.

The "testimony" is a tissue of lies because Gray was never at Treblinka.
You said you'd never read fake testimony Dan, well you have now.
> 
> If Baron could read, he would understand this. But, this is the same
> Baron who read Hoessler's testimony, in which he says he took a woman
> out of a transport heading towards the gas chambers, and added "she was
> not in the gas chamber"; and, after reading it, Baron claimed that
> Hoessler testified that he put on a gas mask, entered the gas chamber
> and took the woman out.
> 
> Baron has to admit one of the two: either he's a liar, or he's mentally
> retarded. What's it going to be? Both, maybe?

You're forgetting something Dan. Have you read the book cover to cover? If 
you had, you wouldn't say that. By the way, I'll be posting my latest effort
shortly after Christmas. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets an oblique 
reference in the un-Jewish Chronicle.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Dec 20 23:55:56 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Another Silly Analogy from Lyin' Al
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In article <4b6gkh$98i@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:
>         Another silly analogy from Lyin' Al.  Are you suggesting that 
>the report
> was not thoroughly checked.  If it was not I assume the person who failed to
> do so would quickly be looking for work.

I am suggesting that the Prime Minister did not check the source but assumed
his researcher did. Exactly the same way I assumed that both the defence AND
the prosecution at the Zundel trial did. It goes to show you can't trust anyone.
Especially lawyers.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Dec 20 23:55:57 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article <4b6rf9$1lrg@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

>He also exhibits another trait, and that
> is resorting to venom and  viciousness when he is caught in a lie, which seems
> to occur with great frequency.

No dear fellow, it wasn't me who was caught in a lie; I gave Dan a piece of 
fake testimony and he said it sounds perfectly genuine to him. The point is
that most all survivor testimony sounds like that, so how does he know any of
them are genuine?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Dec 20 23:55:58 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron Keeps Evading (Re: Baron Cannot Answer a Simple Question)
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> Al, your lies extend beyond the ones Mr. Keren has caught you in. Does
> your recent pamphlet address those as well? 

Actually I want to thank Dan, because his correcting one of my mistakes led
me to do further research which makes this pamphlet all the more devastating.
I'm sure Organised Jewry will be very grateful to you Dan.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Dec 20 23:55:59 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Al Baron's "documentation" of Ritual Murder?
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In article 
           cendbj@bonaly.hw.ac.uk "David Johnston" writes:

> If it did, whoever wrote and published the article committed a fairly 
> serious crime. It would be interesting to know why the police, who were the 
> targets of this incitement, did not prosecute. 

I'll tell you why, because our system of justice has been so thoroughly subverted
by Zionist hatemongers and "anti-racist" (ie socialist) gerrymanderers that
no one gives a fuck about scum who incite murder against the police and the 
police have far more important things on their plate, like protecting lovely
Jews like Dan Keren and Harry Mazal from the likes of Lady Birdwood. As of
this week the police know it too, because my last mailing went out to them!

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Dec 20 23:56:00 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Al Baron's "documentation" of Ritual Murder?
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

>Everything you do and say is tainted by the fact that you are
> a corrupt, anti-Semitic bigot who thinks nothing of telling outright lies
> and distortions of fact.    

No dear chap, I just happen to believe that taking the piss out of lovely Jews
like Dan Keren is not even a misdemeanor. Direct incitements to murder police
officers, judges and Michael Portillo, that is a different kettle of fish 
though. In my book. I can't speak for anyone else, certainly not the Rt Hon
Gerald Kaufman MP

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Some Questions for Mr. Baron (Was:Re: A Revisionist History Of The 1960s Synagogue Arsons)
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In article 
           cendbj@bonaly.hw.ac.uk "David Johnston" writes:
> It must be a bit confusing living down 
> there - thank the Lord I live in Scotland.

The Romans made one big mistake; instead of Hadrian's Wall they should have 
built a ten foot hire electrified razor wire fence surrounded by a minefield.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4b6f26$28q6@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
> By the way, your labels are incorrect.  The correct terms are "deniers" and
> "historians".  This is a free public  service.

The term "deniers" is certainly incorrect because no one in his right mind
"denies" the Holocaust; what Revisionists do is challenge specifically the 
claims of genocide and gas chambers. The term deniers is an epithet used to
vilify Revisionists by grossly overstating and traducing their case.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4b75nh$5ho@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au "ibokor" writes:

> Alexander Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> : 
> : And what exactly is a "racist"?
> : 
> 
> 
> "Racism The theory that distinctive human characteristics,
> abilities, etc. are determined by race."

Well, I don't see anything controversial or hateful about that. I believe 
that race, environment and many other things make us what we are. Don't you?

> 
> (The Shorter Oxford english Dictionary (1982) Vol. II p. 2654)
> 
> Hence "racist". However, many Northern Americans use "racist"
> synonymously with "racialist".
> 
> "Racialism Belief in the superiority of a particular race; antagonism
> between different races of man" 

I don't see that there is a connection between a belief in superiority and
antagonism. Most people I know believe human beings are superior to dogs. That
doesn't mean they hate dogs.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> Now, how, exactly, did Al say Greepeace calculated their casultiy
> estimates? With a Ouija board maybe? 

Thanks for the extensive analysis. I visited the Red Cross the other week to
do some research; I told the librarian the figures you mentioned and he laughed
at them. Now you know what it feels like to be a Holocaust Revisionist. They'll
be throwing you into gaol next.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4b8kvp$61h@atlas.uniserve.com>
           hostrov@uniserve.com "Hilary Ostrov" writes:

> I do wonder what Al Baron wants to be when he grows up.  Maybe his
> intimate friend Mr. Aaron Silvers will tell us.

Keep repeating nonsense you don't understand. And the lies that Harry has
swallowed.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Dec 22 00:35:35 PST 1995
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In article <4b92n4$t9a@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


>Moreover what you have never admitted is that your
> presentation of the Mueller Document as fact was as much as result of your
> sloppy and incompetent research as your gullibility.
>

Because it wasn't; it was the result of taking at face value a document that
was accepted by the prosecution as genuine. If I am at fault so were they.
 
>         Frankly, I find Dr. Keren's statements, unlike yours, to be routinely
> supported by his sources.  I would have no trouble defending them in before
> a jury against the attacks you have mounted.  In fact, I think that it would be
>  a
> piece of cake for even a mediochre trial lawyer like me.


I think you would have; as for your admission of mediocrity, I won't challenge
that.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4b9pfk$j6@eco.twg.com> chall@eco.twg.com "Charles Don Hall" writes:
  
> Now, there *have* been cases of forced integration, but they weren't
> created by judical fiat. For example, many types of segregation
> were banned by the Civil Rights Act of 1964. This was an ordinary
> piece of legislation, passed in the ordinary way. It could easily
> be repealed, if the American people voted in a set of Congressmen
> who opposed it. However, the law enjoys broad popular support,
> and its been years since any major political figure campaigned 
> against it. (I guess the Libertarians oppose it, but it's not
> something that they talk about much.)

In this country you don't have any choice; as a Libertarian I would oppose
any attempt to interfere with properties rights, which is what all "equal
opportunities" legislation has led to in practice.

> >> Is it because you think that racial tensions will increase? That's
> >> not a valid reason, either. Integration works to reduce racial
> >> tension, because it gives the kids a chance to get to know each
> >> other as individuals.
> >
> >That is totally contrary to fact.
> 
> Well, all I can say is that that's what I experienced when I 
> attended racially-mixed public schools (1967-1980). What did
> you experience when *you* attended racially-mixed public
> schools?


Forced integration is part of a political agenda; the people who are 
pushing it don't give a monkey's about blacks or anyone else.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:

> And does Sowell also say that _Brown_ is bad law?  There's a world of 
> difference between objecting to affirmative action and condemning all 
> Federal desegregation laws.  Do Williams or Sowell object to the Civil 
> Rights Acts of 1964 as well?  Can you provide a specific reference in 
> which either writer states that _Plessey v. Ferguson_'s rationale for 
> "separate but equal" is a good thing?

I've read Sowell's "Civil Rights" cover to cover and don't think he mentions
either case, but he has some strong words for "affirmative action".



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> So, if a certain woman falsely accuses someone of raping her, does
> this mean that *all* women lie when they testify about being raped?
>  
> Why are you such a bloody idiot?

A better analogy is if a certain woman claims falsely to have been abducted
by a UFO does that mean all alien abductions are false? Of course not.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article <4bb6go$1h1a@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> I might add that neither of the two respondents called you a liar.
> Both merely expressed curiosity about what was so unbelievable about
> an account of brutality in a concentration camp, brutality which you
> like to minimize, but that even you admit did take place.

I have never tried to minimise it simply put it into context. 
> 
> You played a cheap and shabby trick which scored a cheap and shabby
> point, and it is a trick that anyone who is basically dishonest can
> successfully play on honest people who have enough respect for their
> debating opponents 

Dan Keren is so honest that he takes at face value the most ridiculous 
testimonies simply because they support his fantasies of Nazis with whips
and torture chambers.
  
> For all the slagging off that goes back and forth, people have at
> least had enough respect for you that they expect that you will say
> what you mean, that you will not deliberately set out to make fools of
> them. 

Martin Gray's book went through 40 editions; he made fools of many people.
Why don't you condemn him first? Him and all the other damned liars?

One other thing you're forgetting: I said it was fake testimony; Dan then
explained why he thought it wasn't. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           karlpov@access4.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

> Now as to how this particular lie "matters," I would say simply that lies 
> should be exposed as lies, and that you have demonstrated that legitimate 
> Holocaust scholars do, in fact, expose lies as lies, since your own 
> "exposure" depends on the work of such a legitimate Holocaust scholar,
> doesn't it?

ONE Holocaust "scholar" denounced this; the reason she did it she made quite
plain. Because testimonies such as Gray's give credence to Revisionism. The
rest of her article was a dishonest polemic against the likes of Richard 
Verrall and Arthur Butz.
 
> >I'm afraid it does, you simply assume that other testimony is truthful.
> 
> I'm assuming nothing here. I'm simply saying that presenting particular 
> experiences as one's own does not mean that no one has had those 
> experiences. Again, here in the U.S. we have a fair little group of guys 
> who've gotten ahold of Congressional Medals of Honor by purchase or other 
> means, and who then pretend to have gotten them as awards. This doesn't 
> mean that no one has ever been legitimately awarded these medals, does 
> it? Do I need to make this any clearer, Al? 

Have you ever tried reading survivor testimony with a critical eye? A lot of
it actually lends more support to the Revisionists.

> (have you ever looked through THE
> GOOD OLD DAYS, which has been massively quoted on this newsgroup?).

Not yet. This is a fairly recent book; I am mistrustful of any Exterminationist
tract published from the late seventies on. Some of the older stuff contains
some incredible material. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron's Big Chance (Re: RABIN-STERN GANG/IRGUN OR???)
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In article <4bavrl$250@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:
> One isn't a rabbi, the other one has an unsavoury past. Mr. Baron is quite
>  comfortable
> in the presence of these two;  perhaps because of where he was in 1983 and
>  1985. 

I didn't meet Rabbi "Cohen" until 1990; he introduced me to Rabbi Goldstein
about 1993. But he doesn't exist, remember?

> lavatory-paper pamphlet extolling the marvels of his 'Aryan' past.  Would Mr.
> Silvers care to comment?

This may come as a surprise to you Harry but I am not an "Aryan". Dig?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4bbpm3$led@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         That's exactly what we are asking you.  You have continually
> cited these people as paradigms of Judaism.  It is well past time for
> you to come clean about their backgorunds?  Who are your "real Jews"
> lyin' Al?  Why are you so shy about telling us -- or is the statement above
> an good indication of why?


I told you Yale, the Neturei Karta. If you were a good lawyer Yale I'd ask
you to contact one of Harry's friends. He needs one but he can't afford to
pay Central London rates anymore. Snigger, snigger.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Al Baron's "documentation" of Ritual Murder?
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In article 
           cendbj@bonaly.hw.ac.uk "David Johnston" writes:

> That's the one. She has a long history of support for racial hatred and 
> Nazism. 

Absolute garbage.

>She is not just some dotty, slightly senile old lady, as Baron likes 
> to pretend. 

Oh yes she is.

>Funny that Baron supports her, a *proven* hate-monger and advocate 
> of extreme terror against minorities

Lies pure and simple. Give me one example.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4baqfu$250@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:


>The 'rabbi' that Mr. Baron
> is so fond of does exist.  Is this 'rabbi' a child molester as Mr. Baron
>  suggests?

More to the point is that what you're suggesting? Sounds like anti-Semitism
to me Harry. I always thought it was vicars who molested choir boys.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4bb92f$oe2@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

 
> Don't be so coy, Mr. Baron. Who is it that says that all survivor
> testimony is a pack of lies? 

I don't know.

>Who is it that insinuates that every
> inconvenient document is a communist forgery? 

I don't know.

>Who is it that argues
> that Jews didn't really suffer from the anti-Jewish laws? 

I don't know.

>Who is it
> that asserts that every Nazi testimony was extorted by torture? 

I don't know.

>Who is
> is that asserts that the genocide was not real but a tale concocted
> out of "massive collusion" (please note that I did not use the word
> "conspiracy")?

I don't know.
 
> Why, it is you, Mr. Baron! I think the term "denier" is rather apt,
> especially in your case.

Wrong on both counts.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4b9pfk$j6@eco.twg.com> chall@eco.twg.com "Charles Don Hall" writes:
  
> Now, there *have* been cases of forced integration, but they weren't
> created by judical fiat. For example, many types of segregation
> were banned by the Civil Rights Act of 1964. This was an ordinary
> piece of legislation, passed in the ordinary way. It could easily
> be repealed, if the American people voted in a set of Congressmen
> who opposed it. However, the law enjoys broad popular support,
> and its been years since any major political figure campaigned 
> against it. (I guess the Libertarians oppose it, but it's not
> something that they talk about much.)

In this country you don't have any choice; as a Libertarian I would oppose
any attempt to interfere with properties rights, which is what all "equal
opportunities" legislation has led to in practice.

> >> Is it because you think that racial tensions will increase? That's
> >> not a valid reason, either. Integration works to reduce racial
> >> tension, because it gives the kids a chance to get to know each
> >> other as individuals.
> >
> >That is totally contrary to fact.
> 
> Well, all I can say is that that's what I experienced when I 
> attended racially-mixed public schools (1967-1980). What did
> you experience when *you* attended racially-mixed public
> schools?


Forced integration is part of a political agenda; the people who are 
pushing it don't give a monkey's about blacks or anyone else.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:

> And does Sowell also say that _Brown_ is bad law?  There's a world of 
> difference between objecting to affirmative action and condemning all 
> Federal desegregation laws.  Do Williams or Sowell object to the Civil 
> Rights Acts of 1964 as well?  Can you provide a specific reference in 
> which either writer states that _Plessey v. Ferguson_'s rationale for 
> "separate but equal" is a good thing?

I've read Sowell's "Civil Rights" cover to cover and don't think he mentions
either case, but he has some strong words for "affirmative action".



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> So, if a certain woman falsely accuses someone of raping her, does
> this mean that *all* women lie when they testify about being raped?
>  
> Why are you such a bloody idiot?

A better analogy is if a certain woman claims falsely to have been abducted
by a UFO does that mean all alien abductions are false? Of course not.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article <4bb6go$1h1a@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> I might add that neither of the two respondents called you a liar.
> Both merely expressed curiosity about what was so unbelievable about
> an account of brutality in a concentration camp, brutality which you
> like to minimize, but that even you admit did take place.

I have never tried to minimise it simply put it into context. 
> 
> You played a cheap and shabby trick which scored a cheap and shabby
> point, and it is a trick that anyone who is basically dishonest can
> successfully play on honest people who have enough respect for their
> debating opponents 

Dan Keren is so honest that he takes at face value the most ridiculous 
testimonies simply because they support his fantasies of Nazis with whips
and torture chambers.
  
> For all the slagging off that goes back and forth, people have at
> least had enough respect for you that they expect that you will say
> what you mean, that you will not deliberately set out to make fools of
> them. 

Martin Gray's book went through 40 editions; he made fools of many people.
Why don't you condemn him first? Him and all the other damned liars?

One other thing you're forgetting: I said it was fake testimony; Dan then
explained why he thought it wasn't. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           karlpov@access4.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

> Now as to how this particular lie "matters," I would say simply that lies 
> should be exposed as lies, and that you have demonstrated that legitimate 
> Holocaust scholars do, in fact, expose lies as lies, since your own 
> "exposure" depends on the work of such a legitimate Holocaust scholar,
> doesn't it?

ONE Holocaust "scholar" denounced this; the reason she did it she made quite
plain. Because testimonies such as Gray's give credence to Revisionism. The
rest of her article was a dishonest polemic against the likes of Richard 
Verrall and Arthur Butz.
 
> >I'm afraid it does, you simply assume that other testimony is truthful.
> 
> I'm assuming nothing here. I'm simply saying that presenting particular 
> experiences as one's own does not mean that no one has had those 
> experiences. Again, here in the U.S. we have a fair little group of guys 
> who've gotten ahold of Congressional Medals of Honor by purchase or other 
> means, and who then pretend to have gotten them as awards. This doesn't 
> mean that no one has ever been legitimately awarded these medals, does 
> it? Do I need to make this any clearer, Al? 

Have you ever tried reading survivor testimony with a critical eye? A lot of
it actually lends more support to the Revisionists.

> (have you ever looked through THE
> GOOD OLD DAYS, which has been massively quoted on this newsgroup?).

Not yet. This is a fairly recent book; I am mistrustful of any Exterminationist
tract published from the late seventies on. Some of the older stuff contains
some incredible material. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron's Big Chance (Re: RABIN-STERN GANG/IRGUN OR???)
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In article <4bavrl$250@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:
> One isn't a rabbi, the other one has an unsavoury past. Mr. Baron is quite
>  comfortable
> in the presence of these two;  perhaps because of where he was in 1983 and
>  1985. 

I didn't meet Rabbi "Cohen" until 1990; he introduced me to Rabbi Goldstein
about 1993. But he doesn't exist, remember?

> lavatory-paper pamphlet extolling the marvels of his 'Aryan' past.  Would Mr.
> Silvers care to comment?

This may come as a surprise to you Harry but I am not an "Aryan". Dig?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4bbpm3$led@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         That's exactly what we are asking you.  You have continually
> cited these people as paradigms of Judaism.  It is well past time for
> you to come clean about their backgorunds?  Who are your "real Jews"
> lyin' Al?  Why are you so shy about telling us -- or is the statement above
> an good indication of why?


I told you Yale, the Neturei Karta. If you were a good lawyer Yale I'd ask
you to contact one of Harry's friends. He needs one but he can't afford to
pay Central London rates anymore. Snigger, snigger.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Al Baron's "documentation" of Ritual Murder?
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In article 
           cendbj@bonaly.hw.ac.uk "David Johnston" writes:

> That's the one. She has a long history of support for racial hatred and 
> Nazism. 

Absolute garbage.

>She is not just some dotty, slightly senile old lady, as Baron likes 
> to pretend. 

Oh yes she is.

>Funny that Baron supports her, a *proven* hate-monger and advocate 
> of extreme terror against minorities

Lies pure and simple. Give me one example.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4baqfu$250@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:


>The 'rabbi' that Mr. Baron
> is so fond of does exist.  Is this 'rabbi' a child molester as Mr. Baron
>  suggests?

More to the point is that what you're suggesting? Sounds like anti-Semitism
to me Harry. I always thought it was vicars who molested choir boys.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Another Silly Analogy from Lyin' Al
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In article <4bb92f$oe2@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

 
> Don't be so coy, Mr. Baron. Who is it that says that all survivor
> testimony is a pack of lies? 

I don't know.

>Who is it that insinuates that every
> inconvenient document is a communist forgery? 

I don't know.

>Who is it that argues
> that Jews didn't really suffer from the anti-Jewish laws? 

I don't know.

>Who is it
> that asserts that every Nazi testimony was extorted by torture? 

I don't know.

>Who is
> is that asserts that the genocide was not real but a tale concocted
> out of "massive collusion" (please note that I did not use the word
> "conspiracy")?

I don't know.
 
> Why, it is you, Mr. Baron! I think the term "denier" is rather apt,
> especially in your case.

Wrong on both counts.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article 
           jamie@voyager.net "Jamie McCarthy" writes:

> I suspect what Mr. Baron is really asking is "why would they give her
> and Mr. Mazal an OBE, and not give _me_ one?"

Why should anyone give you one? 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
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In article <4bds24$1m82@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Since you regularly refer to the Zuendel trial as the source of your
> knowledge about the Mueller document, which of the reports of trial
> presented the prosecutions response?

I am citing from Lenski's book; I have also read selected Canadian press reports
and some (surprisingly objective) mainstream media coverage which was compiled
by Zundel and co. None of these mentioned the Mueller Document. Neither does
Lipstadt's book. I suspect that the reason for this is that - forgery or not -
it contains more than a grain of truth, and the Exterminationist Lobby don't
want to draw attention to the Dachau gas chamber fraud nor the myriad lies 
that have been told about the Holocaust relating to the camps in Germany.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
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In article <4bebub$bal@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


>You did not even bother
> to check your so-called source as the Mueller Document was *not* an exhibit
> in evidence at the Zundel trial or even read the document you cited. 
>  Intellectual
> dishonesty, pure and simple.

Yale, I suspect that your continuied carping on about this is boring other 
people too. Perhaps you should have asked Dan Keren to check the "testimony"
of Martin Gray? He didn't; he simply assumed that it was genuine even after
I had told him it was an admitted fraud. By the way, I've just published a
pamphlet which contains an admission by an "orthodox" academic who has admitted
to me privately that he doesn't believe in the Holocaust but is too spineless
to admit it. Perhaps he's afraid of you?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4bcj4m$5iv@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> In article , 
> Daniel Keren (who "knows nothing of western mathematics") wrote:
> 
> >Well, Daniel, I agree that Kleim is smarter than, say, Dan 
> >Gannon, Al Baron, and Tom Moran.


Why don't you phone Woburn House and ask THEM who is smarter than Al Baron?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

 
> Holocaust deniers offer no _revision_ of the history  of the Holocaust as
> they offer no _explinations_ that fit the evidence. Instead they simply
> _deny_. (And deny and deny and deny...)

I'll have to deny that.

> That is not historical
> revisionism, but _propaganda_. And _what_ is this propaganda for? To
> simply deny the systematic and premeditated mass-murder of European Jewry?

Perhaps there was no premeditated, systematic murder?
> 
> The _one_ ultimate crime, the greatest evil of the Nazis that sets them
> apart from all else, is their commision of the Holocaust.

Because Jewish suffering is far more important than anyone else's? 
 Could it be that
> if the Holocaust deniers could lead people to believe that the Nazi did
> _not_ commit the Holocaust (i.e. the genocide, the gas chambers, the
> extermination and concentration camps, etc.) that they could say that, in
> the end, the Nazis were no different than we? 

It's a frightening thought, isn't it?

>That morally we were just as
> "evil" as they and they us? And of course, as _we_ are not evil then how
> could _they_ be evil? Ergo, the Nazis weren't evil and National Socialism
> is not evil and is a morally, socially, and politcally acceptale ideology.
> Now. Today. In your country. In the town you live in. 

If your "case" against National Socialism is the Holocaust you haven't got a
case.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:

> On Thu, 21 Dec 1995, Alexander Baron wrote:
> 
> > I've read Sowell's "Civil Rights" cover to cover and don't think he mentions
> > either case, but he has some strong words for "affirmative action".
> 
> OK, Mr. Baron, then would you please answer the question I originally 
> asked: Do either Sowell or Walter Williams argue, as you earlier 
> suggested they did, that they _support_ the kinds of racial segregation
> that existed before _Brown_ and before the Civil Rights Act of 1964?  If 
> they do not, will you issue a retraction of your earlier comments?

Libertarians don't support compulsion. I suggest you write and ask Sowell and
Williams in person if they support "integrating" schools at the point of a
bayonet; I'll wager they answer no. The kind of racial segregation you mention
before Brown didn't exist. This is part of the fantasy.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4bf6ju$aun@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

>does
> that mean all revisionists are liars and idiots? 

If that is not your view you speak for Mike Stein alone. It is the view of
Dan Keren, John Morris and all mainstream "academics". In other words, if
you disagree with them you are a moron or a liar. That is known as poisoning
the well.

Re THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK, as I have said before, it is understandable that
its authenticity has been challenged because of the different stories that have
been told about how it was found and the way it has been edited for different
editions. There was also a genuine misunderstanding over the Meyer Levin case.
This is yet another reason people should not rush to judgment about Revisionists
or anyone else: the media is full of misinformation, much of it based on sloppy
research, but much due to the fact that it is impossible to research absolutely
everything about any subject.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

> Alexander Baron  writes:
> 
> >ONE Holocaust "scholar" denounced this; the reason she did it she made quite
> >plain. Because testimonies such as Gray's give credence to Revisionism.
> 
> How do they do so? Could you quote her on this? The part you quoted did 
> not seem particularly fanciful, as many have noted. I've an idea you're 
> giving us a very selective view of this matter. Can you give a precise 
> reference for this article by Serenny (pardon the spelling--this is the 
> woman who did the recent book on Speer, right?).

New Statesman, November 2, 1979. You might find this in one or two of
the bigger American libraries.

> Actually, survivor testimony not my cup of tea, and I've read very 
> little. However, I do remember your months-long harangue about Kitty 
> Hart, so your judgement in such matters is more than a little suspect.

Kitty - I saw the little babies thrown into the fire while I was sunbathing
- Hart?
 
> Good lord, you haven't read any recent scholarship because you "distrust" 
> it? I guess there's a chance it will disagree with your preconceptions?

I didn't say I hadn't read any recent books on the Holocaust; I've read
quite a few, including Pressac and Lipstadt. What I said, or meant, was that
most of them have a very specific agenda. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4bo4q4$ggp@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> Does Mr. Baron laugh and chortle when consulting his pal the 'defrocked'
> (his own word) rabbi who was overly fond of young chilren?

I should be very careful if I were you Harry; you could get yourself a 
reputation as an anti-Semite making allegations like that.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <26DEC199508050975@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>
           dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu "Daniel Mittleman" writes:

>     Does it occur to you that Whites don't go to Harlem late at night
>     anymore because the cabarets that were there in the 1930s are now in
>     other parts of New York?  Does it occur to you that people (everywhere
>     in the industrial worldOP) do not sleep out on fire escapes
>     and sleeping porches as much now as in the 1930s because room air
>     conditioners are more common and more affordable?

What does occur to me is that the more people meddle in "race relations"
the worse they get.


> >> We'll leave aside the 
> >> bayonets for the moment; as several other participants in a.r. have 
> >> pointed out, the National Guard was there to protect the black children 
> >> from white adults seeking to harm them

Again, the wicked white racists. I presume the fact that no black kids were
murdered vindicates your belief in the efficacy of the bayonet? 

-- 
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4bnr10$9t6@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

>     Assuming for the sake of argument that what you say is true, I find 
> it hard to belive that by this time Faurission has not become aware of 
> the errors in his work.  Has he ever retracted or apologized?  I've never 
> seen it, and I've seen at least one reference to his work on this 
> subject made in the last few months.

Perhaps he suffers from the same problem as Suzman, Diamond and Mazal: 
intellectual dishonesty.


-- 
Alexander Baron

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The Sunday Times Magazine for December 24 has an interesting snippet about
school desegregation in Little Rock. According to this article, the Governor
attempted to use "States Rights" to prevent black kids entering the school.
I'm not too sure about what States Rights means but I did read somewhere that 
in the final analysis all states are supposed to have the last word on how 
their money is spent and with regard to local laws, etc.

According to this, there were about 200 demonstrators who tried to march on
the building with the same aim. I seem to recall that there were also a good 
many so-called supporters there, the majority of them white and from out of
town. All supporters of American "democracy" I suppose. And the same kind of
people who made a virtue out of spitting on the American flag.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <4botmr$ik8@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         I checked with the only Professor Garrett I know.  Bill Garrett
> in the anthropology depatment at Penn State.  He says he has never
> had anything negative to say about desegregation.

Yale, I can hardly believe that an arsehole like you can exist. It's a pity
you don't give your immediate attention to Jewish lies. Try Henry Garrett.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
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In article <4bov61$ik8@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         Nowhere does your source state that it was marked as an
> exhibit or moved into evidence.  Pearson could not, therefore, have
> stipulated to its accuracy.

For the final time Yale, there is no indication in the book that this 
document was thought to be a forgery, and Lachout was not accused of perjury. 
Baron's honesty is vindicated. Now if you want to chase up lies, why don't
you consult your co-racialist Mr Mazal and ask him about the lies of Suzman
and Diamond?

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <26DEC199508262329@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>
           dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu "Daniel Mittleman" writes:

>     I wonder if something gets lost in translation here.  Are they saying
>     that "no one is allowed to question the gas chambers" or are they
>     saying "no evidence supports the questioning of the gas chambers"?

The former: ask any "orthodox" historian. Don't forget, it has now been made
illegal to even ask the question in Germany. Under pressure largely from
those poor, persecuted, POWERLESS people.


>     I read your statement to say "Irving had doubts about the diaries
>     before he began using shoddy research methods."  OK, I'll buy that as a
>     possibility.  In which book can I read about Irving's doubts (so I can
>     check the quality of his questions - and doubts - myself)?

I suggest you E-mail Greg Raven. Round about 1980 there was something in
the New Statesman about it. I believe that a number of schoolteachers have
also expressed doubts about the diary, and I don't see why they shouldn't.
People aren't accused of bigotry because they believe the CIA murdered Kennedy.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <4bo84o$gpa@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:
> Mr. Baron has been asked by several people as to his whereabouts in 1983 and
> 1985.  He has thus far refused to answer. He offers as an addled excuse that
> any comment on this would affect his present lawsuits. This, of course, is not
> so.
> 
> Once again, let us ask Mr. Baron where he was in 1983 and 1985, and why 
> he refuses to answer.

And I have told you Harry, I am not prepared to comment on anything that 
remotely touches on my litigation. If you know something, or think you do,
then post it. If not, shut up. Either way, don't expect me to comment on it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <4bot9f$ik8@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


>         At the time you cited the Mueller Document you had reason to
> believe that two other witnesses at the trial -- Leuchter and Irving -- had
> perjured themselves and had not been exposed by Lenski.  

I exposed Irving's perjury. No one else knew about it because it overlapped
with some other research I was doing. ME, Al Baron. Not Lenski, not anyone 
else. This is my baby.

> I have accused you of being an incompetent dolt as a result
> of citing a document you have not read and did not check out.

No Yale, you accused me of lying. Are you retracting that allegation now?


-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <4bsib2$ec1@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         I find no "Henry Garrett" listed in either the AAUP directory or
> the directory of law school professors published by West.  Why don't you
> learn to cite something intelligibly?

I suggest you try some old obituaries. Henry E. Garrett was an Emeritus
in the 70s. He is the author of a short monograph "IQ and Racial Differences"
and a devastating critique of Otto Klineberg's UN sponsored race tract.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4bsjr4$ec1@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


>The fact is that you are a dishonest person
> with a history of dishonesty which you frequently attempt to evade with
> vilest of bigoted invective and most transparent of lies.

Poor Yale, you really do believe the only reason anyone could hate you is
anti-Semitism.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:


>He published the name and address of one
> such 'rabbi' (who turned out not to be a rabbi at all), and offered to
> identify the second one but only through a confidential e-mail.

Rabbi Goldstein is the PR man for the Neturei Karta in the UK; now if you
think he is not a Rabbi that's your problem.
 
> Why would Mr. Baron wish to conceal his second source? He himself
> gave us the hint. It is now quite clear that Mr. Baron's 'rabbi' is a convicted
> child molestor.  For someone who is so vociferously homophobic, Mr.
> Baron could not admit to this relationship in public. Perhaps the 
> gentleman in question was once a rabbi. That is irrelevant. There are bad
> and good leaders in all religions. What is relevant is why Mr. Baron
> would have chosen a child molestor as a friend.

Harry, you've finally flipped your lid.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4bshed$ec1@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


>         I have accused you of lying because of your reckless disregard
> for the truth as demonstrated by your Capone article, 

I have just been looking at my Capone pamphlet and if you check the source notes
I use you will see they do indeed check out. I didn't read Kobler cover to cover;
the reference to his gaol sentence for a firearm misdemeanor came from Ness's 
book. If I was wrong it's because I was quoting Ness. For the record Yale, 
you're too stupid to realise that A REVISIONIST HISTORY OF PROHIBITION isn't
really about a kind, generous man named Al Capone anymore than ANIMAL FARM
was really about an unkind farmer. Why not E-mail John Morris about this? He's
not as stupid as you; he's also discussed it with me in a small way.


>your accusations about
> Dr. Jeffries, 

I explained - in case you missed it - that I did indeed cite the Jeffries
article correctly, it was the article, not me, who was wrong. I took this 
>from  THE TRUTH AT LAST, which although an anti-Semitic newspaper is often
reliable on facts though it eres on interpretation. When this was pointed
out I withdrew. See?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> In article <814355302snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk wrote:

I can't reply to all this: life isn't long enough. Why don't you write a
book?


> I find this a typical Baron caveat. Any errors or fabrications in his
> posts are not _his_ fault but the fault of his _sources_. Baron's
> duplicity is as contemptable as it is transparent. If Baron is so
> "concerned" about the veracity of his sources then why doesn't he
> _research_ his sources to see if the claims are true or not and that they
> show academic integrity? Does Baron fear what he may find?

I posted this as an example; I haven't the time to research every old
wive's tale I hear. When I publish something I research it in more depth.
This was not for publication. Yet.


> > I will  say only  that I find the testimony of alien abductions equally  
> > convincing.
> 
> Which is saying nothing at all. If Baron _doesn't_ believe what this
> anti-Semitic loon, the "gullible" Lady  Birdwood, has given him, why does
> he then post it? As an example of unbelievable claims? Then why not _say_ 
> so unequivocably? Why be so coy about it? If, on the other hand, Baron
> _does_ believe in his post then why does he take such efforts to distance
> himself from it? Why does he try and shift the responsibility for his
> post's credibility to the "gullible" Lady  Birdwood?

The point I was making is that I don't believe it but that Lady Birdwood 
does, and that some people will believe anything of Jews or Nazis as long as
it is sufficiently horrendous but the former is taboo while the latter is not.


> > After hearing some of the revelations in the recent and ongoing trial of 
> > Rosemary West I am inclined to say that I find this woman's story far more 
> > believable than Hart's.
> 
> Spell it out in detail, Baron. "Because I say so" is _not_ taking Hart's
> story at face value, it is simply making an arrogant and unsupported
> statement.

I presume you are familiar with the West trial: the murder of West's first
wife and adopted daughter and of their own daughter, and possible cannibalism?
Horror stories such as these make one wonder what to believe and what to reject.

> These are  most interesting claims, considering that several major studies
> of ritual abuse contradict them. These studies by the governments of the
> United States, the state of Virginia, Great Britain, and the Netherlands
> show that their is no evidence for widespread ritual abuse conspiracies or
> inter-generatinal ritual abuse.

That may be true, but you are missing the point that these allegations were
taken seriously for a long time. Check out SATAN WANTS YOU by Robert D. Hicks.
There are also people serving long gaol sentences now, at this moment, for
absurd crimes of alleged Satanic abuse. This was reported in the Skeptical
Inquirer.

> What are we then to make of "Rachel's" claims? Considering the evidence
> against her claims, I would say that she is either lying through her teeth
> or that she, if she was really being treated by a therapist, was induced
> to "remember" things that never happened. In either case her claims are
> without merit and fit for, if anything, one of Baron's "lavatory
> pamphlets."

I consider "false memories" to be a form of mental illness; certainly these
kinds of false memories.
> 
> Now, Baron has challenged that: "if you take the likes of Kitty Hart at
> face value you must also take this - obviously mentally disturbed - young
> woman at face  value." Aside from the point that "Rachel" is _not_
> "obviously mentally disturbed" as nothing she said on the Oprah should
> could establish this, according to a practising psychologist who treats
> abused children, I _have_ taken her claims at face value- and then
> _researched_ them. The results pretty much indicate that her claims are
> fabrications, or at best "false memories."
> 
> What about Hart's recounting of the baby surviving a gassing? Shall we
> also take _her_ accounting at face value (i.e. void of Baron's rabid
> anti-Semitism and bigotry against Hart) and research it also?  Let's try:
> 
> First, what did Hart _actually_ write? From her book, _Return to
> Auschwitz_, we find her words:
> 
> It often happened that when the doors were opened too early some of the
> people were still alive. Once, to the horror of the men in the
> _Sonderkommando_, a tiny baby was found still sucking at its mothers
> breast. It had probably been sucking all the time and so had not inhaled
> the deadly fumes. S.S. man Wagner was furious. He snatched the baby away
> and threw it into a blazing oven.
> 
> Obviously, Hart is recounting something _told_ to her and not something
> she witnessed herself.

The point is that Hart's book is an autobiography. She also claims to have
seen "little babies thrown alive into burning pits". This is bullshit too.

> Well, according to the _Auschwitz Chronicle, 1939-1945_, on September 3-4,
> 1941 a Russian POW _did_ survive a gassing with Zyklon-B in Block 11 at
> Auschwitz: 

It doesn't occur to you that just because these stories are repeated incessantly
it doesn't make them true. Ditto all urban legends.


> Furthermore, according an exchange between Prosecutor Smirnov and Witness
> S. Smaglewska, before the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in
> 1946, children _were_ thrown alive into the crematorium furnaces:

Ironically, I've just finished reading some of her testimony today. Try
reading the rest of it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Reply to Ed Kent/Holocaust Survivor Denounces Gun Control
To: libernet@dartvax.dartmouth.edu

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SENT 12-25-95 FROM KENNON_LARRY @AUSTIN

Reply to Edward Kent (Ekent@brooklyn.cuny.edu).

Holocaust Survivor Denounces Anti-gun-ownership movement:

----------------------------------------------------------
The following material is from JPFO
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The following excerpt is from an interview conducted by
Aaron Zelman in 1990.  Mr. Zelman is the founder of Jews for
the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO, 2872 S.
Wentworth Ave., Milwaukee, WI 53207 Phone: 414- 769-0760).
His subject was Theodore Haas, a former prisoner of the
infamous Dachau concentration camp.


A Warning: HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP
MOVEMENT

IF ONLY WE WERE ARMED
Q.
Did the camp inmates ever bring up the topic, "If only we
were armed before, we would not be here now"?

A.
Many, many times.  Before Adolf Hitler came to power, there
was a black market in firearms, but the German people had
been so conditioned to be law abiding, that they would never
consider buying an unregistered gun. The German people
really believed that only hoodlums own such guns. What fools
we were.  It truly frightens me to see how the government,
media, and some police groups in America are pushing for the
same mindset. In my opinion, the people of America had
better start asking and demanding answers to some hard
questions about firearms ownership, especially, if the
government does not trust me to own firearms, why or how can
the  people be expected to trust the government?

There is no doubt in my mind that millions of lives could
have been saved if the people were not "brainwashed" about
gun ownership and had been well armed.  Hitler's thugs and
goons were not very brave when confronted by a gun.  Gun
haters always want to forget the Warsaw Ghetto uprising,
which is a perfect example of how a ragtag, half-starved
group of Jews took up 10 handguns and made asses out of the
Nazis.

Q.
Did you have any contacts with the White Rose Society
(mostly German students against Hitler)?  Did anyone try to
hide you from the Nazis?

A.
I did not, but my local friend, Richard Scholl, had two
cousins or nephews who were members.  Both were executed in
Munich (I believe) for standing up for decency and freedom.
Not enough people knew about the White Rose Society.  There
were many non-Jews who were not anti-Semetic and were very
much opposed to Hitler.

It was impossible to hide people from the Nazis in Germany -
it is so  densely populated and food was rationed.  Another
point that many people fail to understand is that in
Germany, you had a situation where the children were
reporting to their teachers if their parents listened to the
BBC on the short wave radio, or what they were talking about
at home. If a German was friendly to a Jew, he was warned
once.  If he failed to heed the warning, he would disappear
and never be heard from again.  This was known as "Operation
Night and Fog."

Q.
Do you think American society has enough stability that Jews
and other minorities are safe from severe persecution?

A.
No.  I think there is more anti-Semitism in America (some of
it caused by leftist Jewish politicians and organizations
who promote gun control schemes) than there was in Germany.
This may stun some people, but not all Germans hated Jews.
My best and devoted friends in Germany were Christians.

I perceive America as a very unstable society, due to the
social tinkering of the Kennedy/Metzenbaum-type politicians.
When I first came to this wonderful country after World War
II, America was a vibrant, dynamic and promising society.
There really was an American dream, attainable by  those who
wanted to work.  Now, due to the curse of Liberalism,
America is in a period of moral decline.  Even worse,
corrupt criminals hold high political office, and you have
police officials who don't give a damn about the Bill of
Rights.  They just want to control people, not protect and
serve.  When you study history, you see that when a country
becomes an immoral manure heap, as America is rapidly
becoming, all minorities suffer, and ultimately, all the
citizens.

Q.
What words of warning would you like to give to young people
who will
soon be eligible to vote?

A.
Vote only for politicians who trust the people to own all
types of firearms, and who have a strong pro-Second
Amendment voting record. Anti-gun-ownership politicians are
very dangerous to a free society. Liberty and freedom can
only be preserved by an armed citizenry.  I see creeping
fascism in America, just as in Germany, a drip at a time; a
law here, a law there, all supposedly passed to protect the
public. Soon you have total enslavement.  Too many Americans
have forgotten that tyranny often masquerades as doing good.
This IS the technique the Liberal politicians/Liberal media
alliance are using to enslave America.

Q.
What message do you have for ultra-Liberal organizations and
individuals who want Americans disarmed?

A.
Their ignorance is pitiful - their lives have been too easy.
Had they experienced Dachau, they would have a better idea
of how precious freedom is.  These leftists should live in
the tradition of America or they should leave America.
These Sarah Brady types must be educated to understand that
because we have an armed citizenry, that a dictatorship has
not YET happened in America.  These anti-gun fools are more
dangerous to Liberty than street criminals or foreign spies.

Q.
Some concentration camp survivors are opposed to gun
ownership. What message would you like to share with them?

A.
I would like to say, "You cowards; you gun haters, you don't
deserve to live in America.  Go live in the Soviet Union, if
you love gun control so damn much."  It was the stupidity of
these naive fools that aided and abetted Hitler's goons and
thugs.  Anti-gun-ownership Holocaust survivors insult the
memories of all those that needlessly perished for lack of
being able to adequately defend themselves.

Q.
It appears the Liberal left in America is tolerating, and
sometimes espousing anti-Semitism.  Why do you think so many
Jews still support the leftist form of Liberalism?

A.
It is for this very reason that I firmly believe that we
harbor more stupid and naive people in our midst, than any
other group of people. It amazes me how Liberal Jews have
such short memories that today, they would be so supportive
and involved in setting up the mechanics of gun control, so
that a Holocaust can happen again.  All they're doing is
playing into the hands of the very clever communists who are
masters at conning Americans.

Q.
Why did you join JPFO?

A.
I feel every Jew should be armed to the teeth, as should
every American. I joined JPFO because as a group, we can
stand up to Liberal Jewish gun haters and also to Gestapo-
minded anti-gun police who want total control of the people.
I wish JPFO was in existence years ago.  I believe the
Jewish involvement in gun control would not be anywhere
close to what it is today, but better now than never.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:

> I note that you snipped one of my questions, Mr. Baron: What, in your 
> opinion, were the "good old days" of pre-Civil Rights segregation like 
> for blacks in America?  If blacks were so happy with their lot under 
> segregation, why did so many of them participate in civil disobediance? 
> (Or were they simply dupes of International Jewry?)


A lot of Jews - mostly from the North - were involved in this campaign,
but it was primarily communist orchestrated. Most of the people around
Martin Luther King were communists. Most of the blacks who got involved 
in these campaigns didn't realise how oppressed and exploited they were
until they were whipped up into a frenzy by these scumbags. It's also a great
irony that the blacks who have made the most noise about this sort 
"oppression" have done all right for themselves. Those great champions of 
"black rights" Martin Luther King, James Baldwin and Angela Davis all 
received scholarships and awards by the white man so that they could go
about lecturing how America was oppressin them. The truth is that these people
are more red than black.
 
As for blacks being happy with their lot, why should they be? The Princess
of Wales isn't happy with hers and look how much money she's got. One thing
that really does piss me off is people - mostly non-whites and women - who
earn five or ten times as much as me telling me how I OPPRESS them by virtue
of the fact that I am male and white. Doesn't that stick in your craw now
and again?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4bttas$1tbu@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Well, now I'm really confused. Jeff Roberts quoted Lenski as saying
> that Mark Weber read the document aloud as part of his testimony, and
> I got the distinct impression that Lachout was not present at the
> Zuendel trial. 


He was. He gave evidence.


> The problem, as I see it, is not that you were taken in by the Lachout
> document, but rather that your sources of information, so far from
> disowning the document, continue to use the document as proof that
> there was no Holocaust. I don't see any posts coming in where we find
> that Lenski has recanted, and I do see that Zuendel still sells a
> video on Lachout.

What Lenski and Lacout do is not the issue, Edeiken called me a liar, that
is the issue. I didn't lie, I was taken in and I had the guts to admit it.
Which is more than I can say for Dan Keren.

> 
> >Any dishonesty here is not mine; as soon as the forgery was brought to my
> >attention I disowned it.
> 
> Well, that speaks better of you than it does of Lenski, or Zuendel, or
> Mark Weber. Yet you still rely on people like this for much of your
> information.

As I have said before, we all have to rely on other people for information.
The difference is that I am willing to admit that I was conned, Keren, Edeiken
and their ilk are not.

> > Who else has done that?
> 
> Me. But in my case it is a little more complicated than simply
> dismissing a single case of forgery. A year ago I knew next to nothing
> about the Holocaust. Much of my experience of alt.revisionism has been
> in the rejection of the popular myths about the Holocaust such as the
> RIF soap story or that every concentration was an extermination camp.
> Much of my reading has unfortunately been to answer the specific
> objections of deniers, so I have had to hit the ground running so that
> there are a fair number of gaps in my general knowledge.
> 
> I have gone to the professional academic historians for my
> information, because, unlike you, I have a great deal of respect for
> the basic honesty and integrity of historians since most of my closest
> academic contacts these days are with historians. 

If you had studied the Sutton revelations you'd realise how little integrity
your much admired academics have.

> Since I have no way of transcribing a derisive snort, I will just say
> that I still at a complete loss as to what you think you have
> accomplished with your little trick other than an opportunity to slag
> off Danny Keren. I don't see how Danny's response was unreasonable: if
> Gray's lies were based upon real testimony then they would have
> versimiltude. 

That is the point: a great deal of such testimony has the appearance of
being genuine, that doesn't mean it is. Keren said he had never come across
a piece of survivor testimony that was obviously fraudulent. If Gray's 
testimony sounded genuine to Keren he should ask himself how many other
plausible liars there are out there.
In your original post on Gray, you asked for nothing
> more than people's opinions of their verisimilitude.


> But since you
> seem to think that you have accomplished something more than a
> betrayal of the basic good faith that people bring to a debate, I
> suppose we shall never hear the end of it.

Dan's good faith extends as far as bolstering his own preconceived notions 
of how "Nazis" are supposed to behave.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4bsioo$ec1@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>
>         The only way your activities in 1983 and 1985 touch on the any
> pending litigation is that, at trial, the judge will instruct the jury that they> have a right to question your credibility and that you have no reputation
> in the community protectd by law.

Yale, you are a) ignorant of the facts; b) ignorant of English law. You are
also ignorant of why Harry Mazal keeps trying to wind me up: the reason is that
he has been briefed by lying, scheming Zionist Jews in Britain - whom I could
but won't name - to try to make me say something that will put me in breach
of the 1981 Contempt of Court Act. I have no doubt that he is saving all
these threads to disk and faxing them to his manipulators. Well I've got news
for you Harry, it ain't gonna work. You can say anything you like about me in
this newsgroup and I have not the slightest intention of replying. I will save
my replies for the one place they count.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Some Questions for Mr. Baron (Was:Re: A Revisionist History Of The 1960s Synagogue Arsons)
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In article <4bsrsd$1tre@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Alexander Baron  wrote:
> 
> >What frivolous and vexatious suits are they John?
> 
> The ones you lost against the Commissioner of Police and Mike Whine of
> the BOD. The ones you described in a previous post as being for the
> publicity. I haven't spoken to anyone in Britain about these suits in
> some time, so it may be that you have appealed the countersuits for
> costs which you also lost.

Like I said, I will have an announcement to make about this at the end of
January, beginning of February.

> I wish you'd make up your mind. So far you have called me an
> intellectual prostitute, then promoted me to what I can only imagine
> would be an intellectual slut only to demote me again to a
> closed-minded, orthodox historian which I gather is equivalent to an
> intellectual prostitute.

You're actually one of the more honest Exterminationists in this group.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  writer@eskimo.com "Freelance" writes:

 And when a person dares to tell say that 
> another's first-person's account is wrong, without having been there, 
> that is the ultimate "revisionist," for they seek to revise (or at least 
> challenge) what a person remembers. 

Policemen do this all the time; it's not what you remember, it's what you
think you remember. Again, emotive trash is not history.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4bshor$ec1@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> >
> >  I exposed Irving's perjury. No one else knew about it because it overlapped
> >  with some other research I was doing. ME, Al Baron. Not Lenski, not anyone 
> >  else. This is my baby.
> >  
> >>>>
>         Since you have, apparently, not read the transcripts of Irving's
> evidence, I fail to see how you can make a charge of "perjury."

I read enough in Lenski's book besides which Irving has repeated the same
lies elsewhere.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4butra$bkf@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
 
> It actually happened again and again, Mr. Baron, when black kids (and
> adults) were murdered by racist whites.  You prefer to ignore such
> history, but the rest of us remember.

I know the sort of history Zionist Jews remember, Mr Klein, no, I'm not
tarring you with the same brush as them, but you get my point?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4buvfl$fhq@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> Nice subject change, Mr. Baron.  The murder of Emmett Till and the 
> church bombings were unquestionably due to racism, and the latter was
> a direct response to the civil rights movement by white racists; the
> examples were offered to counter your contention that black children
> had nothing to fear from kindly old segregationists.

If the latter was a response to the "civil rights" movement I'd say the
"civil rights" movement had some explaining to do if it provokes violence.
Before you jump down my throat I would point out that exactly the same
logic is used to attack Holocaust Revisionism and people in your country
who dress up in jackboots and swastikas, namely the very existence of
such people promotes the violence so they have only themselves to blame.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4bvmvf$ako@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

   much like the court records regarding Mr. Baron's residences
> in 1983 and 1985.
> 
> The so-called rabbi that he consults and who is overly fond of
> young children has also appeared in the public record. Is this
> not so?

The implication Harry is that I shared a cell with a man who impersonates
Rabbis between 1983 and 85, and that in his spare time, or maybe in somebody
else's synagogue, he defiles small boys? Oh boy, well, apart from the fact that
sex offenders are segregated in British Prisons (and in American prisons too
I understand), and the fact that it is a matter of public record that I didn't
meet him until 1990, I'd say that Harry Mazal BOF was barking up the wrong
tree. Perhaps you'd better send your "whining" friend a fax and ask him to
correct his mistakes.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4bv910$sku@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
> What about the testimony I received, in person, in Freiburg im Breisgau, in
> 1971, from two former SS who  worked in death camps, and admitted the killing
> and the gassing?  I have already shared this with you.  Are my 
> testimonies--first-hand adduced--also "irrelevant"?

Post them again with a printed reference if possible

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4c0kbu$17me@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Meanwhile, Mr. Baron does not have the least clue about the purpose of
> Hart's memoir. He seems to think that it is meant to prove that the
> Holocaust actually happened, and he does not understand that it does
> not set out to accomplish any such thing any more than Eisenhower's
> memoirs attempt to prove that World War II actually happened.
> 
> Having read part of Hart's memoir for myself, I think I can guess was
> Mr. Baron finds so irritating about it: Hart does not demonize the
> Nazis, and her testimony is all the more eloquently damning because of
> it.

Wrong on both counts; Hart has been used to "prove" the Holocaust. In 1993
she was used to confront a group of far right activists - I've posted my 
letter to the TV producers here. 

Her book has some value but is totally worthless as proof of any "gassings"
because she obviously (and by your admission) didn't see any. Read it again
John and ask yourself if what she says doesn't actually lend more support
to the Revisionist position than yours.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron   wrote:
> 
> [In response to the testimony of SS-man Broad about a gassing
> in Krema I in Auschwitz]
> 
> Baron starts with the old "everyone who was in the camps is
> lying, and I, who was never in them, am the only one who knows 
> the truth!":
> 
Not true

> # The only problem with Broad's testimony is that it is a pack of lies. 
> 
> And Baron's "proof" for that is...
> 
> # He was on the ramp and denied taking part in exterminations. 
> 
> Baron, Baron, you poor little zero. Broad testified he *saw*
> the gassings. How does his statement that he didn't carry
> them out himself contradict the fact that he *saw* them?

I believe he testified at an earlier trial that he had seen SS men
on the roof. I was researching this yesterday and have just come across
a glaring error - or lie - in Broad's testimony which I will reserve
for publication, but for now I will say that
 
> What about Broad's testimony in Frankfurt, before a German court,
> during the 1963-5 trial? Was he also under "Polish influence"? 
> What do you say, Baron?

Broad was on bail when this pamphlet was published. As he walked away
>from  this trial it seems that he said the right things. Staeglich has
pointed out a number of vital criticisms of the methodology of this trial,
such as the lack of technical evidence, which would have destroyed most 
of the lies which the judge himself said the defendants had told. As well
as the historical lies.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4bv887$shk@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> >  
> >>>>
>         I realize that you haven't read "Brown" (since you have
> misquoted it) or "Plessy" (since you have no idea what it said).  Please
> try to do some basic research.  Brown concerned four segregated
> school district in Kansas, Delaware, South Carolina, and Virginia.  In
> *all* four cases the courts found as fact that the schools provided to
> Blacks were inferior in terms of the "separate but equal" doctrine.
> Further you assume that just because there were schools for Blacks
> they were the equivelant of schools for whites.  In Texas, for example,
> the Black college was Prairie View A&M.  Would you care to compare
> it to the several whites only schools including University of Texas,
> Texas A&M, and Texas Tech?  Come on, Lyin' Al, make us laugh.

What I want you to explain, Yale, is how integrating schools allegedly
makes them better. All evidence says that it doesn't. What it does do
is let a lot of slower learning black kids compete with whites and this
causes resentment when they can't keep up, notwithstanding that there are
black kids in the top stream too.

The standard explanation for this is "racism" but it won't wash; in the UK
it is a matter of record that black kids can't compete - as a group - with
Asians - who come from culturally very disimilar backgrounds, often have 
language difficulties and yet even manage at times to excell whites.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4bv90e$sku@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

>When you
> talk about "the  _alleged_ extermination programme", "the _alleged_ gassings",
> etc., you are implying that they didn't happen.   That flies in the face of
> empirical and historical evidence and is described--accurately--as denying the 
> historical reality; hence, denier.

No, it flies in the face of consensus and the sensitivities of Organised Jewry
and their fellow travellers.

> Questioning the accuracy of an individual's testimony is perfectly acceptable,
> and is a kind of revisionism.  

As the sum total experience of the Holocaust is simply the sum of individuals'
testimony, please tell me how many individuals' testimonies I have to challenge
to become a denier?

A lot of the time it is not the testimonies I challenge but the conclusions:
"My parents disappeared in the war so they died" is a valid conclusion;
"My parents disappeared so they were gassed in Auschwitz" is not. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> > As I said, my views on environmentalism are the standard Libertarian position.> 
> And what might _those_ be? Are they anything like your standard Holocaust
> denier position on the Holocaust? 

As the Holocaust is not a civil liberties matter - except as far as free debate
on it is stifled - there is no Libertarian position on it. Re the Libertarian
position on environmentalism, I suggest you post an enquiry to Libernet Digest.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article <4bvln6$ako@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> So many adjectives, so little substance.  It would appear that Mr. Baron does
> not believe in his democratically elected government.

A democratically elected government can do many undemocratic things, including
cut a swathe through the rule of law.

Fact: in 1993 the Jewish Chronicle referred to Lord Lester, a Jew, as the
architect of the race act.

Fact: the race act was passed and tightened up twice largely due to the
efforts of the Board of Deputies of "British" Jews.

Fact: the Jewish Chronicle has regularly pilloried the Home Secretary Michael
Howard - who is Jewish - for refusing to give in to racial and religious 
blackmail and tighten up this act yet again.

Fact: in 1982 the Institute of Jewish Affairs published a pamphlet advocating
making "Holocaust Denial" a criminal offence.

Fact: In 1972 the Board of Deputies called for the prosecution of "Did Six
Million Really Die?" The government replied that to prosecute would bring
unwanted attention to the author's "obscene" views.

Fact: the Anti-Nazi League is the front organisation of the heavily Jewish
Socialist Workers Party, an organisation which although fanatically anti-
Zionist has no qualms about taking any Jewish money for inciting violence
against "Nazis" and Revisionists and had boasted of stopping Revisionists
>from  reaching the public.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4bvm7l$ako@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> Perhaps he can post the evidence that he has 'researched' proving that
> Mr. Irving is a perjurer.  That is a strong word, the sort that slander
> lawsuis are made of in the U.K.   Mr. Baron ought to know...

It was published in my book in October 1994. Ask your friends at Woburn
House, they know all about it. Ask them about Mr Irving's "young" friends too;
they'll be a lot more reticent about that than they were about the Rabbi's.
Hee hee.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron's Bullshit
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In article <4bv6ev$shk@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         The situation hasn't changed Lyin' Al.  The Office of the Chief
> Rabbi still has no record of a "smicha" ever being registered.  I assume
> his status as a rabbi is either a figment of your imagination or another of
> your arrogant frauds.

Then I suggest you contact the REAL Jews, ie the Neturei Karta, there are 
plenty of them in New York, and ask them if Rabbi Yosef Godlstein is or is
not the PR man for the Neturei Karta in the UK. You might even contact the 
PLO, they're on good terms with him as he has always taken a strong stance
against poor persecuted people like your cousins shooting their children.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4bvijv$ako@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

>Mr. Baron himself
> has admitted that this 'rabbi'is overly fond of young children. Why 
> would such a person be a confidant of Mr. Baron unless they had
> something in common?

No Harry, YOU admitted this.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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If I were you, Harry, I wouldn't boast about the letters after your name too
much. The latest honours list, which runs to a thousand names, includes a 
knighthood for a businessman who, by a curious coincidence, loaned the Tory
party 4 million pounds, and a 74 year old lollipop lady. Another old sucker.
Still, I suppose OBE is a cut above HMP. Hee hee.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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If I were you, Harry, I wouldn't boast about the letters after your name too
much. The latest honours list, which runs to a thousand names, includes a 
knighthood for a businessman who, by a curious coincidence, loaned the Tory
party 4 million pounds, and a 74 year old lollipop lady. Another old sucker.
Still, I suppose OBE is a cut above HMP. Hee hee.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Selective truths about Civil "Rights"
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In article <4c42nd$98@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         Dodge. lie, and evade all you wish, Lyin' Al.  If there are, as you
> admit "black kids in the top stream" then there is no purpose, except racism
> for denying them access to the better schools. 

You're just assuming that the "better schools" were white because they had 
more money spent on them. This was not the case.

> Likewise, there would be
> white students who are poor learners who nevertheless had access to the
> better schools because they were white.  The question is *equal opportunity*
> Lyin' Al.  Only a bigot like you would deny giving to people because you
> don't like their race.

On the contrary I would never deny any man equality of opportunity. I condemn
all racial hatred. Need I remind you that I sent a pamphlet to Orthodox Jews
urging them not to send money to Israel to buy bullets for the murderers of
Palestinian children? Palestinians are not white. It was Harry Mazal's 
"decent and respectable" people who referred this pamphlet to the Attorney
General to try to have me thrown into gaol. Who's the bigot now, Yale?
 
 
>         Which brings us back to the questions, Lyin' Al.  As an alleged
> libertarian, how can you justify "Plessy?"  I suggest you read it before you
> cite it again.  

Read what I just posted about property rights.

>Second, why did you lie about the contents of "Brown?"
> Specifically, you have asserted that there was an "instance" in "Brown"
> that refers to dolls being used to prove Blacks felt they were inferior, please
> explain why no such reasoning appears in the text.

I didn't lie; I haven't looked this up for a while; my knowledge of this comes
mainly from Putnam.

In case you miss the point about schools, Zionist Jews and Palestinians, let
me clarify the point. People like you don't give a fuck about blacks or anyone
else. What you do care about is revenge on the society that persecuted your
ancestors.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:

> No, sorry, Desperate Dan, you've got it backwards.  That's how jews and
> liberals "prove" how dangerous us Natsees are, by provoking us, and then
> whining when we respond.

You have hit the nail BANG on the head, Mr Griswold. This is exactly what 
they do; they've done it to me here. Basically they stamp all over you, 
sometimes physically, and when you turn round and say something unpleasant
about them (albeit true), they scream "anti-Semitic". They even scheme 
against you then accuse you of saying "the Jews" are plotting against them.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4bv99d$9pn@news.netvision.net.il> kevin_e@netvision.net.il  writes:

> Professor of history, Carroll Quigley writes; "This attack on the 
> opposition from above was accompanied by a violent assault from below, 
> carried out by the SA. In desparate attacks in which eighteen Nazis and 

etc

As one of the few people who has actually read TRAGEDY AND HOPE I can tell
you that Quigley certainly did not subscribe to the theory that history
is controlled by a queer conspiracy.

> It must be stated, in 1933, Himmler calculated there were 2.2 million 
> 
> homosexuals in Germany, representing approximately 2.7% of Germany's 
> population. 

Perhaps he'd been reading Kinsey. This claim is of course total crap.

 
> In a most conspicuous omission, Hitler, while railing in Mein Kampf about 
> how he is going to eliminate the Jewish people, NEVER mentions anything 
> about homosexuals. The Nazis condemned homosexuality for public relations
> and as a catch-all category to eliminate politial enemies. Very few `gays'
> were murdered by the Nazis `because' of their homosexuality. Homosexuals
> were in fact, instrumental to Hitler's success and were largely behind
> German style militarism. 

Black propaganda, but even if it were true it's not something I would boast
about if I were you, it might upset your "anti-racist" friends.

>This plan was devised by Frank Collin, who
> often appeared with his followers `in full Nazi regalia: brown shirts,
> black boots, and armbands with swastikas' and who `advocated that all
> African-Americans, Jews and Latinos be forcibly deported. Civil 
> authorities effectively blocked the march at first, but the American 
> Civil (anarchy) Liberties Union (ACLU) rose to Collin's aid and forced 
> the city of Chicago to allow it. The subsequent event drew international
> media attention. Homosexualists Johansson and Percy, in "Outing: 
> Shattering the Conspiracy of Silence, have finally revealed, more than 
> fifteen years later, that Collin was a homosexual pederast. In 1979 
> Collin was arrested `for taking indecent liberties with boys between 
> ages 10 and 14' and was sentenced to seven years in prison."

Frank Collin (aka Cohn) was also Jewish.

 
> "Another branch of the American Nazi movement, the National Socialist
> League, is openly homosexual: Founded in 1974 by defecting members of
> the National Socialist White People's Party, this San Diego-based NSL 
> is unique in restricting its members to homosexual Nazis. 

ACLU bigwig Aryeh Neier says this is widely believed to be a fake organisation.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

> Number of editions doesn't necessarily mean big profit. How many copies 
> were sold in that year?


40,000 in Britain alone. Are you saying it doesn't matter?

> >Gallo is a professional author; besides which people have all sorts of 
> >motives, including the quest for fame, and racial hatred. Especially of
> >the Germans.
> 
> Why do you think there is racial hatred of Germans? 

More generically of Western Man. This is what all the carping on about
racism is all about.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> But then National Socialist ideology _was_ anti-Semitic and racist. One
> honestly cannot say that environmentalism holds genocidal precepts in its
> ideology. As usual, when you "play" with semantics you simply are playing
> with yourself.

As I said, my views on environmentalism are the standard Libertarian position.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article 
           t3009038@student.anu.edu.au "Alex" writes:

 Have they all lied to me and 
>> to their relatives and their friends?  

If they told you they were gassed, yes.

>Did they tattoo their forearms 
> themselves and make it their resolute purpose in life to fight the German 
> people and oppress them by making them feel guilty?  What are you attempting 
> to say?

The tattooed forearms is irrelevant. I believe this tattooes - unpleasant 
though they may have been, had a security purpose, ie if Jews escaped they
could be traced. And others. SS men were also tattooed, so perhaps they
were oppressed by the Nazis too.

Your countless testimonies may all be genuine and sincere, but what relevance
have they to alleged gassings? None.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

> Alexander Baron  writes:
> 
> >On a similar note, and this is something Yale might like to bear in mind. Late
> >last year I heard a radio report that in Australia it has been accidentally
> >given out that the Queen Mother had died. How that could happen I don't know.
> >Anyone listening to that report would be perfectly entitled to repeat this in
> >good faith WITHOUT CHECKING IT.
> 
> You have a marvelous talent for idiotic analogies.
> 
> There is nothing controversial about whether an old woman has kicked the 
> bucket, and nothing implausible about such a report from a generally 
> reliable source. Of course one would be justified in accepting such a 
> report.
> 
> On the other hand, the diaries of Anne Frank 

I wasn't alluding the the Anne Frank Diary but to the Mueller document.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Broad Testifies About Murder in Auschwitz I
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In article <4bq7o7$m37@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:


The only problem with Broad's testimony is that it is a pack of lies. He 
was on the ramp and denied taking part in exterminations. 

he was born in Rio de Janeiro on April 21, 1921

Broad: page 7: he denied he had taken part in selections or had 
maltreated or killed prisoners.

pages 14-5: a footnote here says that "From the commandant's 
order we learn that an SS man got 3 or more days' leave for 
killing a prisoner, who had approached the wire fences."
 this was said to have been a prize for "preventing a prisoner's 
escape" and is absolute bollocks, of course

This is what Pressac has to say:
"Broad's testimony is above all a chronical [sic] of a few 
striking events at the camp, incapable of providing precise 
details about the Bunkers and Krematorien. After assessing its 
reliability, no conscientious historian will be able to use it 
unless and until the declaration has been stripped of the Polish 
influence, or in other words until the original is published."


In other words, even a leading Exterminationist says its crap, albeit
in a small circulation technical book, but the gullible goyim can continue
to be fed all manner of lies in the more commercial books.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4brma9$fl8@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> Alexander Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> 
> : More dross about the wicked white racist. Whites were going to burn black
> : kids perhaps? Get a life.
> 
> Ever heard of Emmett Till?  How about the Birmingham church
> bombing? 
> 
> Have you ever read anything on this subject, Mr. Baron?

Is that the one JB Stoner was accused of? What's your point, some whites have
murdered blacks? When that happens it's racism, ie whitey is to blame. When
blacks murder whites, it's black rage, ie whitey is to blame.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: An interview with Dr. Hans Muench (repost)
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In article <4bpf8o$547@mn5.swip.net>
           stephane.bruchfeld@mailbox.swipnet.se "Stephane Bruchfeld" writes:

 
> On the other hand, it is clear that Baron references the
> interview but says not one word about it, instead preferring to,
> as pointed out by Mr. Stein, _change the subject_. This is
> standard Baron procedure.

No, I said I am not familiar with it.
 
> The second standardized method in Baron's sentence above is
> changing the subject while throwing in an _oblique reference_ to
> some "Swedish Commission", which, according to Baron, has
> produced a "report" on "the Wiesenthal Center". Although I live
> in Sweden I must have missed something. Which "Swedish
> Commission"? Which "report"? Which "Wiesenthal Center"? Published
> when, where? Etc. etc. etc.

I have a copy of this; if you're nice to me I might mail it to you
sometime.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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As you haven't mentioned Rabbi Goldstein of late Yale I assume that you have
now been informed that he does exist. I think therefore it is time you withdrew
your spurious charge that he is a figment of my imagination.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> I consider Britain, on the whole, to be a reasonable type
> of country. Pity, however, that they went through a very long stage 
> of collective insanity with this empire thing, but this happens
> all the time.

Quite right, we should have allowed the blacks to live in mud huts for 
the next two hundred years.

 
> They also have the worst food in the world. I was in London
> for a conference in 1987, lost 3 or 4 kilo. Hell, even Indian
> food tastes bad in England :-).


Not much else to say eh, Dan?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Selective truths about Civil "Rights"
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$THE TRUTH ABOUT LYNCHING and THE NEGRO IN THE SOUTH: IN WHICH THE 
AUTHOR PLEADS THAT THE SOUTH BE MADE SAFE FOR THE WHITE RACE$, by 
Winfield H. Collins, published by the Neale Publishing Company, 
New York, (1918). 

In spite of its title this book is very objective in places and is
by no means opposed to black advancement.

page 124: a man in Kentucky left $4,000 and chattels to a slave 
in his will.

in Charleston, South Carolina in 1860 there were 355 Negroes who 
paid taxes, 226 of whom owned real estate valued at $1,000 or 
more.

page 135: in 1912-3, whites donated nearly $2 million to Negro 
education.

page 151: North Carolina spent $436,480.08 for Negro teachers 
compared to $190,378.81 Negro taxes.

the District of Columbia at the time actually spent more per 
capita on Negro education than on white education! There were 
over 600 private and denominational schools and colleges for 
Negroes in the United States.

So now will Mr Edeiken explain how blacks ALWAYS had an inferior
education when they couldn't sit next to white kids? Perhaps "gas
chambers" had something to do with it?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4bq41j$lv7@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:
 
> _Who_  exactly has made what Mr. Baron inflatedly calls 'Revisionism' 
> illegal outside the U.S.? Was this done by an insignificant minority of the
> population or a sentient majority?  It is up to Mr. Baron to define what he
> means by  'you people.'

I mean Machiavellian, scheming Zionist Jews and their goy fellow travellers in
the socialist movement. In Britain at least this is a documented fact. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: More Treason from Kleim
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In article <4c1lvu$66c@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) continues to advocate treason:
> >
> >  
> >  >>  As for your statement about the National Alliance "planning" to ex-
> >  >>  terminate the Jews, I challenge you to cite ANY official document or
> >  >>  work from the National Alliance National Office, the only agency that has> >  >>  the authority to make National Alliance policy, that advocates the
> >  >>  extermination of the Jews as official National Alliance policy.
> >  
> >  >>  Either cite such an example, or retract your allegation.

I really do hate to say anything Yale agrees with but unlike him I am totally
non-partisan. William Pierce once published an article in which he said that
although the Holocaust hadn't happened (Exterminationist fashion), that no
one should condemn the Germans if they had indeed exterminated the Jews, and that
the world would have been better off with no survivors.

>         1.  Rushdie did not hate Islam nor did his book advocate such hate.
> "The Turner Diaries" (and I did read it) was written by a bigot and advocates
> the murder of Blacks and Jews for no other reason than that they are Blacks
> and Jews.

The Turner Diaries is the sort of thing an ADL stooge would write since it
conforms to the steroetype of how a certain type of Jew thinks all race-conscious
whites should behave. No one with half a brain would do anything but condemn
such a book. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4c1ml6$66c@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>
>         According to you he does not seem to have written on
> "Brown" or the legal theories.  Your citation of his mongraph is
> irrelevant to "Brown."  Why don't you get off your duff and read
> both "Brown" (whose contents you misrepresented) and "Plessy"
> (whose reasoning no real Libertarian could stomach).

He does comment on Brown, so do other anthropologists; Wesley George in
BIOLOGY OF THE RACE PROBLEM for example.

Re Plessy, as a Libertarian, if the company were a private railroad then it
would have been quite within its rights. On the other hand if, as I suspect,
it was a state railroad, then it wasn't.

I see no faults in the reasoning of Plessy although frankly I don't give a
monkey's whom I share a railiroad carriage with; there can be exceptions though;
you will perhaps recall my posting of the incident at Victoria Station.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:

> Four girls died, actually.  But be of good cheer, because in Mr. Baron's 
> universe,it wasn't a racist murder, just another apolitical crime. 
> 
> Next, we'll learn that blacks bombed white churches just as often...

And of course you haven't heard of the Zebra killings, Mau Mau, or even good
old Rwanda. What's your point? That people kill each on whatever pretext or
that the white race is uniquely evil?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4c1ks6$3tt@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

> In article <820095690snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>,
> Alexander Baron   wrote:
> >As I said, my views on environmentalism are the standard Libertarian position.
> 
>     Are you familiar with the Nature Conservancy?  If you were, you would
> not consider all environmentalism inconsistent with Libertarianism. 

Environmentalism goes far beyond conservation; it is a philosophy that
places all live on an equal par with human life. If I were to write that
a Jew was worth no more than a sea bass I'd be slagged off as an anti-Semite.
If an environmentalist were to write the same thing about all humans he'd be
slapped on the back. I leave it to Harry Mazal to decide if it is worse to 
incite hatred against Jews alone than it is against all mankind.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4c2nk0$k7t@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> 
> A statement made by Mr. Baron calls for documented proof. For a person
> who has never been in the United States, let alone lived in the South (or the
> North), he makes many brazen and false statements.  

I suggest you check out Nathaniel Weyl re the involvement of Jews in the 
promotion of race-mixing. Martin Luther King's red record has been amply
documented; virtually every "anti-racist" organisation throughout the white
world is a front for some red group or other.

 > ... - mostly non-whites and   women - who   earn five or ten times
> > as much as me telling me how  I OPPRESS them by virtue of the
> > fact that I am male and white.  Doesn't that stick in your craw now
> >  and again?
>   
> Mr. Baron's mysogyny and racism are noted.  If non-whites (whoever
> they are) and women earn five to ten times as much as he does, it 
> bears to reason that they must be doing something better than Mr. 
> Baron.  

Sure, like Martin Gray perhaps, peddling lies about the wicked Aryan goyim
when he'd never even been to Treblinka, and making a packet out of it. Wake up
Harry, "racism" and mysogeny have nothing to do with this; there are plenty
of women who will testify to my being anything but a mysogenist, and for the 
record, they aren't all white.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: War-like jews stumping for hate-Hitlerism
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> [Followup restricted to alt.revisionism]
> 
>  "Fresh816" makes a valid point. In "Mein Kampf" (written, as I recall,
> as early as 1925), Hitler already expressed his desire to see Jews 
> murdered by poison gas. This was one of numerous antisemitic
> statements and threats against Jews, made by leading Nazis. That
> some Jews were annoyed by this is hardly surprising.

Absolute nonsense, Staeglich deals with this fully in his book; he likens
it to the Jewish leftist who said similar things about middle class Germans,
many of whom, presumably, were also Jewish.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Jan  1 00:28:05 PST 1996
Article: 18328 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Warning to all Brother Aryan Warriors
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In article 
           kestrel@epix.net  writes:

> 
> Fellow Warriors
> 
>         Please be advised of the following warning:
> 
>         For those of you who may not be aware of it but, all of those grocery 
> items marked with a K or a little u in a circle, are kosher and contain traces 
> of cat urine in them.  The cat pee is used in some sort of ceremony by a yid 
> rabbi to make the stuff kosher.  Just thought you might want to know about 
> this so you can watch what you buy in the stores. 
>         If you don't believe it, why do you think all natural foods, like 
> those found in nature stores can't be kosher?  Its because "all natural" means 
> no additives like the cat pee used by those freaking jews.
>         Be warned and Be careful

Is this another wind up? Check out J.H. Brunvand sometime.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Jan  1 00:28:08 PST 1996
Article: 18351 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More Treason from Kleim
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In article 
           bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Milton Kleim" writes:
> So what if he said that?  I agree.  Jewry has contributed very little, 
> and exploited very much, from Western Civilization.  Certainly any 
> innocent creature's death is sad (yes, even Jews), but there must be 
> priorities on every issue.  

Not true about Jewry: they have given us the atom bomb, the H-bomb, the neutron
bomb, psychoanalysis and communism. 

Seriously though, they have also given us Ayn Rand and a host of Libertarians
and a high percentage of scientists etc. I am perfectly willing to give the Jews
credit for their good guys, as long as they take credit for their scumbags as
well.

> _The Turner Diaries_ is one of the most eye-opening books for Aryans in 
> the history of the world.  Anyone serious about securing our heritage 
> MUST read it.

Bollocks. Again, are you working for the ADL buddy? 

> >No one with half a brain would do anything but condemn such a book.
> 
> Oh, yes!  We must condemn any book in which the White guys win.

White guys should be commended for winning only when they are the good guys.
Was Jeffrey Dahmer a good guy because he got away with murdering people 
for so long just because most of his victims weren't white?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Jan  1 00:28:08 PST 1996
Article: 18352 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4c4nds$39h@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


>         O.K., bucko.  Document it.  This does not mean saying "read some
> nut or other that I have not read."  The fact is that you cannot.  All you can
> do is lie about it.

You're flogging a dead horse here, Yale. Alan Stang wrote a good book on the
King camp called IT'S VERY SIMPLE. King may have been a victim of COINTELPRO
but the FBI didn't have to try very hard. Then there is his plagiarism, which
again is well-documented. King's widow has had his FBI papers hidden away until
well into the next century "because it would destroy his reputation". 

The John Birch Society and others have published exposes of King, but as I
said, this is no big secret because the "anti-racist" and "anti-fascist"
movements have always been vehicles for communist propaganda. I have a police
report from 1938 that I can post which makes this nexus. What's the problem
Yale, is the self-styled Reverend one of your heroes?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Jan  1 00:28:09 PST 1996
Article: 18353 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4c543h$4sf@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


>The elder dissented to Plessy
> and the younger joined in Brown II) as producing a "gerrymander"ed
> decision based on a hatred of western civilization "that knows no bounds."
> You also demonstrated your ignorance by stating that something was
> stated in that decision that was not stated in that decision.  Elemental
> common sense would indicate that you read the decision before discussing
> it.  Your standards are so low that they are appalling.

Shocking isn't it. A great deal of law is the result of such gerrymandering,
including anti-drug laws.

> >  
>         Since the ownership of the railroad was clearly stated in the decision,
> it can be inferred that you did not read it.  You haven't the foggiest notion
> of who Ferguson, the appellee, was, do you?

It was a Louisiana Railroad, but I don't know if it was a private or state
company. I have a feeling that it was called Louisiana State Railroad but that
doesn't mean it was owned by the state; why don't you tell me?
 
>         How are you competent to judge the reasoning of something that
> you have not read?  

I have read it, arsehole; the full judgment AND Harlan's dissenting opinion
are published in full in Logan's book on the American Negro. Apology demanded.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Jan  1 00:28:10 PST 1996
Article: 18354 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4c523b$tv4@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Environment  writes:

 
> That is simply untrue and I don't believe you are not aware of it.  The
> Holocaust is documented by mountains of evidence, and if there not a single
> "survivor testimony", it would still be documented by mountains of evidence.

And again, so are flying saucers. It is not the quantity of the evidence but
the quality of it that must be considered. Like I said too, a lot of evidence
people like you adduce FOR the extermination programme actually supports the
Revisionist position.

Did you post the confessions of those SS men to Nizkor by the way? I'd like
to review them sometime.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Jan  1 00:28:11 PST 1996
Article: 18355 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article <4c57vn$13um@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Environment  writes:


> >> 1971, from two former SS who  worked in death camps, and admitted the
> killing
> >> and the gassing?  I have already shared this with you.  Are my 
> >> testimonies--first-hand adduced--also "irrelevant"?
> 
> >Post them again with a printed reference if possible
> 
> I already sent the reference to you in a private e-mail.  There is no
> printed reference--I spoke to the two individuals directly, vive voce.

Funny, when I report things like this I am told it is "Baron said so". What
were their names by the way?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron, Oprah, and Ritual Murder
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> Case in point: A simple check of the  _Chicago Tribune_ article, _Jews
> protest sacrifice tale on Oprah show_, would have quickly shown you that
> your source was simply chocked full of errors and misrepresentative of the
> article. A more in depth, but not burdensome, checking of the transscripts
> against _easily_ obtained articles about the SRA studies would have shown
> that "Rachel's" claims were seriously flawed. 

It took you months to check this article and you live in the States, I don't.

> 
> Yet you didn't. Instead, you tossed all objectivity right out the window
> and posted this anti-Semitic piece of trash. That's a telling indicator of
> _your_ standards of "research." Which is to say, that you have no
> standards of research. You simply talk the talk but don't walk the walk.
> You, without a moments hesitation, just post whatever trash that confirms
> your beliefs. Your anti-Semitic beliefs, I might add. 

That passage is actually part of a manuscript of an unpublished book about
anti-Semitic fabrication, stupid. A copy was deposited in the British Library
about 3 years ago. I was negotiating with a Jewish Libertarian publishing 
house but they had financial problems. I have done a great deal more
research on it since then so if and when I do publish it will be a lot more
extensive.
 
> Worse, you then take this fallacious and error-ridden piece of garbage and
> try and use it in a comparative "argument." You might as well have the
> tooth-fairy fable instead. At lest _then_ the reader would be under no
> doubt that it was a fable. But no, you chose to use a deceptive story
> instead. (Though I must admit,  attributing the "gullible" Lady  Birdwood
> as the source did arouse my suspicions.) That speaks volumes about your
> motives, Al. None it flattering in the least. 

Again, I have never doubted for one moment that the story is fantasy; that 
is made clear in the article. 
 
> > I presume you are familiar with the West trial: the murder of West's first
> > wife and adopted daughter and of their own daughter, and possible cannibalism?> > Horror stories such as these make one wonder what to believe and what to 
> > reject.
> 
> And how, exactly, does this make Hart's stary unbelievable? Or "Rachel's"
> story more believable than Hart's? Sounds like you're dissimulating.
> Again. What factual evidence do you have for your assertion? You've made
> your bed now lay in it. Stop evading and show _why_ you believe "Rachel's"
> story is "far more believable than Hart's." Or is it that you can't and
> therefore _must_ dissasemble and evade? I suspect so. 

The West story is so fantastic that most people would dismiss it out of hand
if it were not so well documented. The point I was making here is that the
the incredible can quite often be true but that we shouldn't believe it without
extraordinary proof, something which is clearly lacking with Hart.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



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