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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct  1 17:42:20 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: McCarthy In Wonderland
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>In message  Jamie McCarthy writes:
> (I'll quote your whole response, Al, so Kevin can see it too.)
> 
> Let's see if I follow.
> 
> You "didn't assert this was impossible," though you clearly did imply
> that in your previous writing.

You don't follow; I was referring to other testimony. 
 
> But now you assert that "this is a total fantasy...a blatant anti-German
> lie."

Hart's testimony is a total fantasy. 

> Kevin's question (and mine) goes unanswered.  How do you know that this
> is a lie, a fantasy?  What logic, reasoning, evidence, leads you to this
> conclusion?
> 
> The only thing you present in your email above is a rhetorical question,
> namely "under what circumstances...."  Rhetorical questions are not
> generally considered sufficient reason to announce that someone is a
> liar.

When someone makes allegations of this nature they are supposed to back them
up with evidence. 

> Maybe if you answered your own rhetorical question, it would help.
> 
> _My_ answer to the rhetorical question would be "under the circumstances
> at the time she described:  in a middle of a war, in a country that
> considered Jews to be subhuman vermin, at a death camp."  So you see,
> I can't follow your reasoning;  you haven't given me any reasoning to
> follow.

Hart states that she saw an SS man pick up a baby that was sucking at its
dead mother's breast and throw it into the oven. We know that these ovens
were in the crematoria, so, unless she is referring to an oven in the bakery,
she must have witnessed this in one of the crematoria. We are told further that Jews
were gassed, not in the crematoria, but in the gas chambers.

If this baby were sucking at its dead mother's breast, the mother could hardly
have been gassed. Therefore we are left with the proposition that the mother 
had just been murdered in the crematorium, by what means we are not told.
We are not told either how this young girl Kitty Hart was in the crematorium,
how she came to witness this murder without SS man Wagner being aware of it.
If he was aware of her presence then surely she would have gone into the oven as
well. No comment is made on this. No reference is made to her referring this
to the authorities after the war.

This story is a total fantasy, a lie from beginning to end. If you attempt
to give it any credibility whatsoever you are taking the piss. I suggest
you take the piss out of someone else.

Allternatively, if you're terrified, on peril of being smeared as anti-Semitic,
of branding any Jew a liar under any circumstances, however blatant her or 
his lies, say so.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct  1 17:42:21 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust - Cecelia
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In article <44j14j$1jv4@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> Nonsense. If you could back up such a claim, you would have quoted the
> relevant passage with full references. Where are they?

If I give you two references, will you retract and apologise?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Having witnessed the sick spectacle of the State v O.J. Simpson on British
TV I can say I am glad we have reporting restrictions here. As a litigant in 
on-going civil proceedings I can discuss them on peril of being a) thrown
into gaol and b) having them struck out.

You can goad me all you like but I am not going to make any comment on them.
Do you understand? You can continue to repeat as many lies as often as you like,
but you do so without intimidating me. I can say however that on October 22
I will be in a position to make a comment on one portion of these proceedings.
This is subject to legal advice and to the decision of the court. I can tell
you Harry that, brief as this announcement will be, you will not like it.
Any comments posted by you or anyone else on this subject before that date
will be ignored.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct  1 17:42:22 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <44j0qh$1jv4@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> While it is one thing to assert that it is a lie, it is quite another
> to prove it. If you could prove anything of what you say, you would
> have posted your proof long ago if only just to shut us up.

The burden of proof is not on me, but on the people who promote these
fantasies.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Oct  2 08:40:36 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust - Cecelia
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In article <1995Sep30.224522@miavx1>
           bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu "Raskolnikov" writes:
> Who was this Jewish spokesman, Al, and for whom was s/he
> speaking?

Check out the ADL sponsored book "Anti-Semitism in America"; Michael 
Berenbaum's statement in the Tulsa World in 1992; check out "Anti-Semitism
World Report", a book published yearly by the Institute of Jewish Affairs;
check out various editions of the Jewish Chronicle. This is no big secret.
Or are you trying to tell me that Jewish organisations never make these charges. 

> And what was specifically said, and where can we read this?
> 
> And even if you're 100% correct, what the hell does it
> have to do with your apparently low opinion for other
> people?

I have a low opinion of people who falsely and maliciously accuse their
fellow citizens en masse of being bigots, haters, liars and nascent Nazis.
Obviously you don't.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Oct  4 14:19:06 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust - Cecelia
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In article <1995Oct2.084044@miavx1>
           bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu "Raskolnikov" writes:
> I don't read the Jewish Chronicle. Is it available at
> newstands?  And again, why should i pore over every issue
> i can find of the Jewish Chronicle in the hopes thatr someone
> might throw out a statistic on antisemitism?
> 
> You made the claim, *you* find some support for it.

 
> > Or are you trying to tell me that Jewish organisations never make these
>  charges. 

This isn't an outrageous claim by Al Baron, it is a claim made regularly
by Jewish pressure groups. 

> Al, you made an unsupported, unsubstantiated statement about a "jewish
> spokesperson" saying that some incredibly high percentage of people 
> are anti-semitic.   You then used this to make some angry statements 
> about people you consider to be liars false accusers.
> 
> Why the hell should I believe that your vague unsubstantiated assertions
> about a "jewish spokesperson" are true?  simply because you say so?

Let me get this straight, you are saying that my claim that Jewish and
Zionist organisations throw around the charge "anti-Semitism" with gay 
abandon is a fiction?

I think someone like Jamie McCarthy should answer that.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Oct  4 19:03:31 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "John Baglow" writes:

> 
> 
> A friend of mine, commenting on the O.J. Simpson trial, referred to the
> "epistemological undermining" which that whole sorry spectacle was
> creating. Obviously, the man was and remains guilty as hell of a horrific
> double murder. 

I'd like to make two points. The first is that, however outrageous you, I, or
anyone else may find an acquittal, I don't think anyone has the right to 
question it.

The second is that a lot of this nonsense is the result of brainwashing about
the so-called evils of the mythical disease of racism, which jousts for 
competition with anti-Semitism. In Britain there are riots everytime the
diminutive British National Party tries to hold a legitimate meeting; the 
BNP's sin is that it advocates repatriation for non-whites. Yet the same
people who protest hysterically totally ignore such things in Africa
and don't give two fucks for any black on black human rights abuses, or 
any abuses carried out in the name of socialism.

As Revel said better discrimination without murder than murder without
discrimination. You can thank the "Civil Rights" movement and its descendants
for the acquittal of OJ Simpson.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct  6 09:51:06 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <44snel$3lr@mag2.magmacom.com>
           eeyore@magmacom.com "James Cohen" writes:

>    There is no gender issue. A person, OJ simpson, murdered two other 
>    people. There is no other issue here, exept possebly the total lack
>    of respect for the american judicial process that will surely come.

If Simpson were to sue you for libel, how much damages do you think he 
would win? One cent?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct  6 11:40:11 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <44uv68$4pu@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net "Harry Katz" writes:
>  At least the ADL took a poll, whereas
> Mr. Baron stuck his head up his arsehole, and proclaimed, "There is no
> light in here!"

Harry, you surprise me. And disappoint me.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct  6 11:41:20 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           c551531@showme.missouri.edu "Buster Royko" writes:

> In article <444k8u$i8k@netside.com> awalsh@netside.com writes:
> 
> >i'd lile to hold your whinning, cry-baby as down and blow smoke into
> >your fucking face.  keep smoking - asshole.

The idiot who posted the first message about ZOG trying to destroy your
right to smoke might like to bear in mind the following:

1) the tobacco trade was developed largely by Jews.
2) an urban legend amoung American blacks blames ownership of tobacco companies
on the Ku Klux Klan, presumably to give them cancer.
3) the British Fascisti, in the 1920s, used to sell Fascist Cigarettes.
4) the most fanatical non-smoker of all was Adolf Hitler; during the 40s,
one of the reasons for deporting Jews to Auschwitz (the few that remained
in Berlin) was smoking in the street.
5) at the Belsen trial, at least one witness claimed to have been disciplined
for smoking.

Smoking and anti-smoking is not a racial issue, it is a free choice issue,
though anyone who wants to ban it can be rightly called a health fascist.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Oct  7 08:22:32 PDT 1995
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In article <05OCT95.18294247.0021@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
           DAVEROSE@MUSIC.CC.UGA.EDU "Dave Rosenberg" writes:

> >I'll bet anything that this is the first time in US history that a
> >black man was aquitted for the murder of whites with so much evidence
> >against him. 

What about the Mary Fagan case where they lynched an innocent Jew instead?

> >
> >You white people need to sit back and take a long deep breath. Count to
> >100 and listen to some soothing Jazz. For the very first time in your
> >lives you have a case where a black killer of whites *may have* been
> >freed by a jury, with what you think is overwhemling evidence. The
> >anger, frustration shared by you people cannot *begin* to compare
> >to the generations of blacks who have this happening incessantly. The
> >killing of Latasha Harlins was not 1920, 1950 or 1960 in was in the
> >1990s. If you know nothing of this LA trial, I think this reveals
> >something about your *real* feelings about justice and race.
> 
> First of all, there was no real evidence against O.J.  The DNA?  Van
> Netter (sp?) walked around with the blood for hours.  And some of it
> mysteriously disappeared.  And all of a sudden there are a bloody
> glove and a bloody sock.  Sorry.  Nobody should buy that.
> 
> Second of all, Fuhrman is not my brother.  I've never met him, and
> would not meet him for fear of having to shake his hand.  As far as
> I'm concerned he, David Duke, Jesse Jackson, and other racists can
> get the fuck out of America.
> 
> Lastly, there are obviously problems in this country.  It's not in
> the justice system or its format.  It's in the people associated with
> it.  Fact is, there is a division in this country, aka racism.  And
> goes both ways.  But until parents stop teaching their kids that
> racism is wrong, it's not gonna go away.  I'll argue things are getting
> better.  Not *much* better, but better.  And with each generation things
> will get better.  We just need to make it happen faster.  I'm tired of
> this shit.
> 
> --Dave
> 
>     ****************************************************
>     * David Rosenberg        daverose@music.cc.uga.edu *
>     * University of Georgia    "NORML's Hempilation CD *
>     * Athens, Georgia         now available in stores" *
>     ****************************************************
> 



-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Oct  7 13:55:41 PDT 1995
Article: 10504 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust - Cecelia
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1 in 5 Americans Anti-Semitic, Survey Finds, Tulsa world, November 17, 1992:

more - and typical - ADL slander.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct  8 07:34:30 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Repeat question, was Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust - Cecelia
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In article 
           azlerner@midway.uchicago.edu
           "Asia "I work in mysterious ways" Lerner" writes:

> In article <812704625snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>,
> Alexander Baron   wrote:
> >
> >Let me get this straight, you are saying that my claim that Jewish and
> >Zionist organisations throw around the charge "anti-Semitism" with gay 
> >abandon is a fiction?
> >
> 
> 1) This is not the claim you made.
> 
> 2) What is your definition of anti-semitism? Whether the estimation that
> 1 in 5 Americans are antisemitic is shoking or plain realistic simply
> depends on your definition of the word. 

I have stated that Jewish/Zionist organisations regularly claim that a fifth,
a third or even more of the population is anti-Semitic.

My definition is someone who hates Jews, or who wilfully incites hatred against
Jews. That is a very narrow definition but it is the most valid one. I don't
include as anti-Semites any crank who peddles conspiracy and related literature.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct  8 20:29:37 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.black,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.african.american
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In article <456t6r$s77@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
           student@indiana.edu "Anonymous IU Student" writes:

> Alexander Baron  wrote:
> >In article <05OCT95.18294247.0021@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
> >           DAVEROSE@MUSIC.CC.UGA.EDU "Dave Rosenberg" writes:
> >
> >> >I'll bet anything that this is the first time in US history that a
> >> >black man was aquitted for the murder of whites with so much evidence
> >> >against him. 
> >
> >What about the Mary Fagan case where they lynched an innocent Jew instead?
> 
> Specify. What 'innocent Jew' was lynched by what black people? When?
> How do you know that there was evidence against those charged?

I didn't say he was lynched by blacks, dickhead. This is a famous - or
infamous - case concerning the murder of a young girl in a factory. There 
were two suspects, a Jewish factory manager - who was also a wealthy Northerner 
- and an illiterate Negro who was known to be an habitual liar. The Jew was 
convicted of the murder, and sent to gaol. A mob broke in and lynched him.
Look up Leo Frank in a Jewish encyclopaedia.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <457qvv$sg3@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
           student@ucs.indiana.edu "Civilized Man" writes:


> >You also need to learn about foreign policy. Little black children all
> >over the world feed you people with their slave labor picking pinnaples
> >in Kenya and beans in Nigeria. Raw goods= 'donations' from the west?

If it weren't for whites - our ancestors - these "little black children" 
in Kenya and elsewhere would still be living in mud huts. Most of them would
die in childbirth or in childhood of some disease or other. Don't give me
any of that black civilisation shit.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Oct  9 23:15:37 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.revisionism,alt.discrimination,ncf.general
Subject: Re: O.J. acquittal? Oh, hell--an apology to Les Griswold
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In article <459gf0$d5i@news.sas.ab.ca>
           luba@fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca "
" writes:

> Elias Halldor Agustsson (elias@rhi.hi.is) wrote:
> : In <812768634snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> Alexander Baron
>   writes:
> 
> : >As Revel said better discrimination without murder than murder without
> : >discrimination. You can thank the "Civil Rights" movement and its descendants> : >for the acquittal of OJ Simpson.
> 
> : No, you can thank the marvellous ability of defense attorneys to instill
> : the sensation of "reasonable doubt" into the minds of the jurors.

Let me ask you a question: would you convict a man of two murders when the
detective in charge of the case is asked point blank: Did you, Mr Furman,
plant evidence in this case?
He replies: I exercise my 5th amendment right.

How can any jury convict after that? 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 15 17:45:44 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <45cr6s$bo@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:


> Pimply-faced creeps are welcome to try!

That is not my quote! I don't advocate violence against anyone; I leave that
for those poor, persecuted POWERLESS people who shoot Palestinian schoolchildren
on their way to buy milk.

> I  don't sue respectable people for libel (including the Commissioner
> of Police) and I certainly don't fear Mr. Baron's colossal lies.

You should really get your facts straight; don't forget that the people 
who have been feeding you this have also been feeding you stories about
gas chambers, you silly little man.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article <45e3cn$872@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:
 
> Since you haven't offered the tiniest nubbin of evidence that Kitty 
> Hart is a "shameless liar", why shouldn't Mr. McCarthy continue to 
> call you on it.  Apparently, we're all supposed to reject Ms. Hart's
> story merely because you find it unbelievable.  Don't you find this 
> a bit odd, Al?

Read my further posting. Hart's story is an outright lie.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 15 17:45:45 PDT 1995
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> 
> Once again, Baron dismisses a testimony not because of any 
> rational argument, but because he doesn't want it to be true.

Mr Baron dismisses this testimony for the same reason a policeman would.
Or anyone with half a brain. We are being asked to believe that a woman was
led into the gas chamber - don't forget how crowded they were - with a baby
sucking at her breast. They were gassed, and the baby alone survived. Leaving
aside the fact that the babies were supposed to have been thrown into the fire
alive (remember Wiesel?) the door was opened and voila! all the Jews piled up
in the centre, SS man Wagner walks in (with his gas mask on?) finds the bab
lying there, and runs out and throws it into the oven. But weren't the gas 
chambers in the basement, Dan?

Let me ask you a question Dan, straight. Are you taking the piss? Are you
really a secret Revisionist who is doing everything in his power to make
this already implausible story totally unbelievable? Are you sure you aren't
really an agent of Willis Carto?

Grow up, Dan. Hart was told a lie and repeated it gratuitously. But that is
 nothing new for survivors, Jew and Gentile.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45d1gs$92j@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:


Oh yeah, the AIDS Cover-Up is good too. The author - Gene Antonio - got 
his mathematics wrong, but he covers in depth the sort of filth homos
practice. Again, only for those with a strong stomach. You might also try
reading the personal ads in any faggots' newspaper. Stoner was right: Thank 
God for AIDS.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45d1gs$92j@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
> 
> >Try studying the literature; part of the "gay" myth is that these human dung
> >beetles don't eat shit and that being queer is a positive alternative to
> >being normal.
> 
> What literature are you studying, Al?  Please cite it so I can check it
> out.
> 
> I have never heard of any specifically gay sex practices that involved
> the direct eating of feces.   But I'll ask some gay people about this
> just to be sure.

Again, try Fumento's book to start with, it's crammed with references. If you've
got a strong stomach you can read The Orton Diaries. Nothing in that about
eating crap but he boasts of doing everything else, including abusing young
boys in Tangier.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45fojk$a3u@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:


> Could it be that Mr. Baron, who is unable to eke out a
> living by selling his odious pamphlets, is attempting
> to make his living by harassing honest and decent people
> into a settlement?

You haven't answered MY question. Which honest and decent person, you odious
little creep?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust - Cecelia
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In article <45fsft$li4@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
>I guess such an explanation would be
> along the same lines that you explained how the US Federal Reserve is
> controlled by Jews, that is, no explanation at all but another
> assertion of your rather distorted view of how the world works.



Still repeating that lie, John? Please reprint the quote where I said that
the Jews control the Federal Reserve. It doesn't exist.

 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45ebj1$4h6@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

 
> Al, please--I don't know how many times you've been asked this.  What,
> exactly, do you find unbelievable about Kitty Hart's story?  Do you 
> just refuse to answer this question?  Is there something in the story
> that strikes you as physically impossible, or what?


Read the passage: she says that a baby was gassed, sucking at its mother's 
breast, then the SS man found it and threw it into the oven. Do you really
believe that? Do you believe in the tooth fairy?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45fpel$li4@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

 
> It is a small wonder why you have been so reticent about posting any
> information that would make it easy for your readers to verify your
> claims. You have an uncanny ability to utterly misrepresent what you
> have read.
> 
> It is as plain as can be the Kitty Hart did *not* see the baby thrown
> into the "blazing oven," nor does she claim to have seen such a thing.
> It is as plain as can be that Kitty Hart is reporting what was told to
> her by a member of the Sonderkommando. Hart could only be deemed to be
> lying if someone could show that she misreported what she was told.

I'm clutching at straws? You defend this drivel and you accuse ME of clutching
at straws?

> That being said, I still do not see what is impossible in the account.
> Hart may have got the detail wrong that the baby didn;t die because it
> was sucking when in reality the baby did not die for the same reason
> that others did not die: the door was opened too soon. Though I would
> like to believe that my fellow human beings are capable of such
> cruelty, they nevertheless are.

On a scale of one to a million, how much credibility do you give this nonsense?
Hart's book is an autobiography, I repeat. 


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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The article below was given to me sometime ago by Lady Birdwood. It is taken
>from  an American anti-Semitic newspaper, probably $Christian Vanguard$.
Lady Birdwood is as gullible as she is sincere, and believes every word
of this nonsense. I think it requires little comment; the woman in question
was obviously so mentally disturbed that she confused the ancient folklore
of Jews ritually killing Christian boys with the modern folklore of Satanists
snatching people off the streets and breeding babies to sacrifice to the 
Devil.

Implausible as this woman's story is, it is a great deal more credible
than the dross spewed out by Kitty Hart of SS man Wagner and the baby,
and of Dr Bendel's "eyewitness account" of the wicked Nazis despatching
5 people with one bullet. Indeed, if you have been following the trial of
Rosemary West, you will find the story below not simply plausible but rather
tame.

All the same, this story provoked howls of outrage from Jewish groups. One
would have expected someone as highly paid as Oprah Winfrey to exert a 
little more critical faculty. By the same token, one would expect academics
like Dan Keren, John Morris et al to exert more than a little.

If you accept the lies and nonsense of Kitty Hart and Dr Bendel at face
value, you should not find fault with Oprah Winfrey's guest either.


"On May 1, 1989, the Oprah Winfrey show had as its guest a person 
who, as a young girl, was forced to participate in a ritual in 
which an infant was sacrificed. The amazing thing about the guest 
is that she was not affiliated with some unknown radical blood 
letting cult, but that she was a JEW.

"According to an article on the show in the $Chicago Tribune$, 
the woman was "undergoing long-term psychiatric treatment," 
apparently because of her horrible experience. The newspaper 
article is quoted below in its entirety."

The article is from the 7th May issue, is credited to the $New 
York Times News Service,$ and is entitled $Jews Protest Sacrifice 
Tale on Oprah Show.$ Apparently, hundreds of people, the leaders 
of Jewish organisations and civil liberties groups all protested 
against the airing of the young woman's allegations.

The pseudonymous "Rachel" had claimed that she had witnessed the 
ritual sacrifice of Jewish children and that she had been the 
victim of long term abuse. She claimed also that other Jewish 
families across the country engaged in such practices, and linked 
them to the recent mass murder of 13 people at Matamoros, Mexico.

Oprah Winfrey said this was the first time she had heard of Jews 
sacrificing children, and the woman told her, "When I was very 
young, I was forced to participate in that, and which I had [sic] 
to sacrifice an infant." 

At one point, says the article, the woman asserted that ritual 
sacrifices occurred in other Jewish families, and that they were 
known to the police.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> 
> Calling those who believed in the Protocols antisemites is fairly accurate
> as the Protocols were antisemitic in nature. What else would you call
> someone who holds antisemitic beliefs except an antisemite? 

How about misinformed? Gullible? Unable to assess evidence?
 
> So? Are you suggesting that ignorance and believing in "rubbish" is an
> excuse to be antisemitic?

You're begging the question: why shouldn't people believe in the Protocols,
flying saucers, astrology, the Loch Ness Monster, that the Freemasons control
the world? All you are really saying is that anyone who rejects consensus or 
believes in conspiracies is a bigot.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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If people are going to post questions in the group, please don't E-mail 
me as well. Thanks.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <45ibb7$e0g@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> Mr Baron once again makes a statement and does not back it up with
> evidence. Does he deny that he sued the editors of Spectator 

Harry, I don't know who is feeding you your lies but he is being extremely
wreckless. I don't even know who the fuck is the editor of the Spectator.
To the best of my knowledge I have never even been mentioned by the
Spectator.

Before you make a complete fool of yourself I should point out that the
Police Commissioner is the symbolic head of the police; anyone who sues
the police sues the Commissioner - or in the Provinces, the relevant Chief
Constable. Did your grubby little, lying mole tell you that I was granted
legal aid for counsel's opinion to sue the Metropolitan Police for false
arrest? Did he tell you that these proceedings are still pending? 

Shut your mouth until you get proper information, which will come from me.
You're an old fool Harry, but do yourself a favour and be an old fool in
private.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45h5jf$q71@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

>     So Hart may well have padded out her book with things she did not
> experience herself _or_ hear while actually at Auschwitz, but rather read
> elsewhere after the fact.  

The point is Mike, if she'd written only about what happened to her it would
have been a very boring book. I don't dispute that she had a hard time, that 
she suffered, and she was only a young girl, but at the end of the day this is
only mitigation for bare-faced lies. No amount of sophistry will change that.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <1995Oct11.171333@malins.mala.bc.ca> lambethl@mala.bc.ca  writes:


>The Baaka people (known to us ignorant folk as "pygmies")
> do not have kids on drugs, people in power (thus, no political corruption),
> taxes to pay, mortgages, bills, etc.. They live in thatched huts, share
> their resources and food, have extremely close familial and neighbourly
> relations, don't war with others and don't destroy their/our 
> environment. No doubt, however, we'll get to them too and they'll then
> be able to thank us for assigning them to  the ranks of all those other
> folk who we, in our infinite wisdom and wonderful ways, have exploited
> and ruined with our marvellous technology and superior wisdom. 
> 
>  
> If everyone lived as the Baaka do, or the traditional Inuit, or those few
> remaining others whose homes are not made of vinyl, a lot of the problems
> our world is diseased with and threatened by today would not exist. Period.
> We have a great deal to learn from those people in the mud huts. But then,
> those who think they know it all cannot be taught.


If you think their "civilisation" is so jolly splendid, fuck off to the 
North Pole and live in an igloo. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> 
> "The other hundred were put in rows in lines of five and one
>  single SS man passed by and gave them a shot in the neck. Kramer
>  was Kommandant of the camp [Birkenau] at that time and was
>  present in these killings".
> 
>  [From the testimony of Dr. Bendel]
> 
> Bendel also noted that many other SS-men were present during
> the execution.

Read it again, Dan, that is exactly what it does say: when I get time
I'm going to read the actual transcripts of this trial, which contains
far more embarrassing trash than this; I've already read the full testimony
of a couple of the other witnesses. It amazes me that anyone could believe any
of this stuff.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: More Hartfelt fantasies
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A few days ago I posted a quote from Kitty Hart; I have reposted it here,
correcting a misplaced comma and a word that should have been italicised.
I've added some more of her fantasies too for the likes of Mr McCarthy
to explain away.

$I am alive$, by Kitty Hart, published by Abelard-Schuman, London, 
(1961).


pages 85-6 "I raised my head and there not fifty yards away was a 
sight that staggered me. I had seen much, but never, never any-
thing like this. I stood as if hypnotized. I could not move I was 
actually witnessing with my very own eyes a murder, not of one 
person, but of hundreds of people, innocent people who had been 
led, mostly unsuspectingly into a large hall. This was a sight 
that could $never$ be forgotten. On the outside of the low building 
a ladder had been placed which reached up to a small opening. A 
figure in SS uniform climbed up briskly. At the top he pulled on 
a gas mask and gloves. Holding the opening with one hand, he 
pulled a bag out of his pocket, and swiftly threw the contents, a 
white powder, inside, shutting the opening immediately...the most 
terrifying screams echoed through the air, the desperate cries of 
suffocating people. I stood holding my breath, my hands pressed 
against my ears, but the cries were so loud, one would have 
thought the whole world must be able to hear them."  in five to 
eight minutes it was all over.

page 92 "I think our main fight was for sanity..."  in her case 
it was obviously not successful.


page 104   "it was the sight of the little babies thrown into the 
bonfires without the detour of the gas chamber that always made 
me feel sick."



pages 105-6 "One afternoon while we were inside the sauna taking 
showers, there was a strong smell of gas. Was this perhaps our 
imagination?"
This was caused, apparently, by one of the doors of the gas 
chambers being opened too early.



this (below) is the quote in question:

page 106: "It often happened that when doors were opened too 
early, some people were still alive. Once, to the horror of the 
men of the $Sonderkommando$, they found a tiny baby alive when all 
the others were already dead. It lay sucking its dead mother's 
breast and probably sucked all the time and so had not inhaled 
the deadly gas fumes. SS man Wagner, who was there, was furious 
and, picking up the little baby, threw it into the blazing oven."


page 106: a woman in the crematorium recognised her own son, she 
ran to him, he was stacking wood. Outside?
page 107 "He handed her a towel and soap, and joined her inside 
the gas chamber. There were a thousand such incidents."

All of them in your head, poor Kitty Felix.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45e06s$bem@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:

> 
> I hope that this _The Myth of Heterosexual Aids_ is not something like
> the stuff that J.B. Stoner puts out that it is impossible for Whites
> to get AIDS "unless they are sodomites."  and goes on to say, as does
> Stoner, that Blacks and Jews get AIDS easily and goes on to say that
> "AIDS is a gift from God." and "Thank God for AIDS." 

No. Actually I am of the opinion that homosexuality is primarily a white man's
perversion (I hope that isn't considered "racist"). 

> _The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS_  sorta reminds me of

Fumento is a science journalist; he's also written an excellent book on
the misuse or misunderstanding of science - I've seen it but can't recall
its title off-hand.

The queers hate the likes of Fumento because like me he shoots from the hip.
He doesn't say he hopes they all drown in their poison like the lowlife and
slime they are, he says simply that that is the most likely scenario.

The claim that AIDS can infect anyone is a myth perpetrated by faggots. It's
also these lowlife rather than the J.B. Stoners of this world who started the
AIDS is caused by blacks rumour.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45hiv0$21ic@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> When is the last time you called a right-winger a "stupid conservative"?  Or 
> a "stupid Nazi"?

I have been known to call people f*****g fascists here and there.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45hiv4$21ic@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
> The consenting adult aspect of prostitution is not the point.  The 
> exploitation of youth by pimps and others is the point.

No one was talking about the exploitation of youth, which, like child molesting,
is illegal, we were talking about prostitution, a contract between two consenting
adults, one who is paying for a service and another who is selling it. Whatever
you may think of them.


> The evidence against Capone, although entirely irrelevant to this newsgroup, 
> is indeed documented, in FBI files amongst other places.


So why wasn't it documented at the time? Because the dead can't answer back,
that's why.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article <45i237$oqa@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@news.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
 
> Thank you, Al, for pointing out the flaw in the Jewish character -- a flaw
> comparable to, say serial killing or rape.  Perhaps you should remember this
> post when you try to claim that you are not racist or antisemetic!

As you obviously believe that serial murder and rape are far more serious than
inveterate lying, you should commend me for my philo-Semitism, in 
accusing Jews of having less serious character defects than white Gentiles. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article <45k56c$lno@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Well, you better watch out then. You take a pretty combative stance
> towards "Organized Jewry" yourself, and, if this powerful menace
> decides to knock you off, it will be your own damned fault, won't it?
> I mean, if the Holocaust was a result of a call for an anti-German
> boycott, it stands to reason that your death will have been caused by
> your vexatious and frivolous lawsuits.

A number of Zionists have attempted - one of them successfully - to incite
violence against me. Re lawsuits, until you get accurate information, I would
suggest you refrain from commenting on them. I have not commented on them,
regardless of Harry frightened old man Mazal's claim in this thread.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <45kfij$8ge@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:
> >
> >  Oh, you're accepting press clippings from court proceedings as evidence
> >  now, Al, and not insisting on autopsy reports?  That being the case, if
> >  I can provide you with a press clipping on the conviction of, say, 
> >  Adolf Eichmann, would you accept the reality of the Holocaust?

I would accept that as proof that Adolf Eichmann claimed that it happened.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45kem5$22o_002@com.mindspring.com>
           kerwin@mindspring.com "Kerwin L. Gray" writes:

> So did the tape you watch show Rodney King crashing his car, exiting his car 
> and attacking the first officer on the scene?  

With his head?

> American Lawyer (a traditionally liberal publication) has a detailed 
> account, written by a liberal lawyer who attended every day of the trial, of 
> all of the facts involved in the arrest of Rodney King.  I don't read any 
> right wing propaganda

Liberals can be arseholes too; we saw the film here. As someone who has been
arrested more than once, the last time by an officer who was clearly working to
another agenda, I can state conscientiously that these four thugs went
way beyond "reasonable force". 


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45lcaj$33t@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:
> 
> But the virus is in at least two forms.  The form most prevalent in
> Africa is different from the form most prevelant in America.
> 
> There could be something to the arguement that it is more difficult
> to get AIDS (the form in America) through vaginal intercourse, but it
> is still not impossible.

AIDS isn't a virus, it's a series of diseases, a "syndrome", surely everybody 
knows that. It is spread primarily by filth, queer filth.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust -
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In article <45m3n6$j47@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> Alexander Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> When it was pointed out to you that your statement was incorrect, you 
> fled the thread with your tail between your legs.

The main point of this thread is that I had claimed that "the Jews" control
the Fed; I have never done that, and if you had read my 1993 pamphlet on
Eustace Mullins you would know that I said exactly the opposite.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
 
> > In this vein, I once read in the _IHR Newsletter_: "There's no business
> >                                                     like shoah business."

I believe it was a Jew, Jacobo Timerman who coined this phrase.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <45k3f7$lno@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

 
> Now post your proof that it was impossible for Wagner to have thrown a
> baby into a crematory furnace. Forget the pathetic embellishments like
> "still sucking its dead mother's breast" (which Hart, as is now
> obvious, could not have seen anyway). Read like a policeman if you
> think that's how you should read. Does the policeman in you not want
> to investigate further to see if this Wagner chap is not in fact a
> murderer?

Again, Hart's book is an "autobiography". The particulars of the libel on
this German officer are that he was present at or after the "gassing" of a group
of Jews, that he went into the "gas chamber" immediately after, and that he found
a baby there. He picked it up, and threw it alive into an oven.

At the very best, Hart was a young girl when she heard this story and repeated
it verbatim. At the worst she invented it - or her ghost writer did - for her
novel. If you excuse this sort of filth then I submit you would also have to
excuse - for example - a Palestinian who claimed that a named Israeli soldier
practiced ritual murder on an unnamed Arab boy at some unspecified time.

Notwithstanding the fact that many Palestinian children have been shot in cold
blood by Israeli soldiers, this would still be a gross libel.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <45k43b$lno@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
> So far you have only said it's drivel. Prove it. Come on, PC Baron,
> dozens of eyewitnesses have said that people were murdered with poison
> gas. Several of them have seen people burned alive. One reports that
> she heard that a baby was burned alive. You are duty bound, Constable,
> to make sure that this Wagner fellow doesn't get away with murder.
> Your opinions aren't going to count for much when your DCI asks what
> you did to find out if any of it was true. What are you going to tell
> him? "Oh well, guv, he seemed like such a nice chap when I had a pint
> with him, so I went and beat the crap out this Hart girl instead."

John, hundreds of people have claimed to have been kidnapped by aliens, 
and their stories show a remarkable similarity. That is an urban legend.
The fact that many people have made the same claim under broadly similar
circumstances proves simply that they repeated the same rumours.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45m3cj$i07@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> Al, you're infuriating.  I'll ask you once again--why do find it 
> impossible to believe that an SS man would throw a baby in an oven?
> Please don't just repeat the story again--tell me why its impossible.

Again, this is not "an SS man threw a baby into an oven", this is "an SS man
threw a baby that had survived a gassing into an oven". There seems to be
a consensus emerging here that Hart was repeating what somebody had told her.
I call that hearsay; hearsay is not evidence; if it were, OJ would have been
convicted of the two murders. Probably so would Mark Furman, the CIA, Bill
Clinton and Uncle Tom Cobbly and all.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Baron, were you born a filthy swine, or did you take
> lessons at becoming one?

A filthy swine is a man who f***s another man up the a***, not the person
who condemns such poison.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Subject: Re: AL Baron and AL Capone.  Coincidence??  I think not...
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In article <45k3ft$9qb@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca>
           t08o@europa.sun.csd.unb.ca "Keith Morrison" writes:

 
> First, Al Capone was the undisputed head of the Chicago illegal liquor
> trade and the Mob.  Second, people who were in conflict with the business
> Capone was in, whether rival distributors or people trying to control
> Capone's group ended up dead, murdered.  The Saint Valentine's Day
> Massacre is one noted instance where a group attempting to usurp some
> of Capone's power were killed.
> 
> What does this suggest to the average person?

What it suggests to the average person doesn't count; the average person
may well believe in flying saucers, but let him prove their existence in
a court of law.
 
> Or let us use the legal definitions.  Who had the means, the motive and
> the opportunity to kill those people?


> Capone had both the means and opportunity.  He was the leader of a group
> of people, some of whom were either known as or were later found guilty
> of being murderers.  He was their boss.
> 
> Capone had the motive.  People who died were threats to his rise or hold
> on ultimate power in the Chicago mob.
> 
> A *reasonable* person would clearly understand that.  


For every problem there is a solution, neat, plausible and wrong. H.L. Mencken

Back then they didn't
> have RICO so they couldn't charge Capone with being the head of the Mob
> and probably ordering the killings because there was no *direct* proof
> he was involved.  They could only charge him with something that they
> could prove he, himself, did.  Thus they nailed him on tax evasion.

In other words, they couldn't prove he committed or even ordered one murder,
and neither can you. Why not admit it?

> These days, Capone would have been facing RICO suits up to his eyeballs.

These days Capone would have been a respectable businessman, probably a
director of Seagrams.

> In any event, this whole discussion is moot.  Everyone else who knows
> anything about history knows who and what Al Capone is.  And the more
> you keep up these silly-assed arguments, the more people will know who
> and what Al Baron is.

Trial by media, "proof" by assertion.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Subject: Re: "The RAINBOW CONSPIRACY", by Steiger's
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In article 
           rem5@sawdust.cvfn.org "Robert McElwaine" writes:

>                The main conspiracy revealed here is that, around 1954, 
>           a high-level group of U.S. military officers, called 
>           "Majestic Twelve" (MJ-12), [members NAMED and profiled on 
>           pages 223-4.], made a secret deal with a race of REPTILIAN 
>           SPACE ALIENS known as the "GRAYS", whereby the Grays would 
>           give MJ-12 flying saucer technology, in exchange for 
>           permission to take certain minerals from the Earth, MUTILATE 
>           CATTLE, and ABDUCT a limited number of HUMANS for medical 
>           examinations. 


You people are so gullible you keep repeating the same dross over and over
again. The MJ-12 documents are proven forgeries. Read Philip Klass before 
you peddle this fantasy, or is he a CIA disinformation specialist?

>                                    Robert E. McElwaine
>                                    B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC

What does B.S. stand for, Bloody Simpleton?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45lc1u$33m@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:

 
> I didn't say that J.B. Stoner is saying that the Blacks cause AIDS.  I
> said that he says that Blacks are a lot less resistant to AIDS than
> Whites.  He also believes that Jews have low resistance.   On the other
> hand, he believes that Whites (Aryans) are so highly resistant that
> the only way a White person can get AIDS is if they are "sodomites."


J.B. Stoner and company are anti-black bigots, but it was faggots who gave them
another weapon to batter the black man with.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           jamie@voyager.net "Jamie McCarthy" writes:

> Much to my surprise, in this article, Mr. Baron _again_ mentions me,
> again with an insulting tone, again regarding something which we have
> discussed at length in email.  And again, Mr. Baron did not do me the
> courtesy of sending me courtesy email to let me know that he was
> insulting me here on Usenet.

Only because you have told me you regard all E-mail with "Deniers" as public
domain. 

> Please do this in future, Mr. Baron.  I've just stumbled across these
> two emails today.  Have you been making insinuations about me publicly
> in the past, insinuations which I have not answered because I was busy
> with other things?  

I don't make insinuations Jamie, I state point blank that you are wilfully 
blind. See my latest posting re Jewish ritual murder which will, hopefully,
show you the error of your double standards. 


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <4567i4$2c4u@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> :>On the contrary, it means that Mr. Baron hates women, children, the
> :>elderly, the obese, the Germans, and everyone else in the world that he
> :>has ever had to deal with, in addition to hating the Jews.

In other words you have just claimed that I hold the Jewish people in no 
greater contempt than I hold the rest of mankind, which makes me the 
most unbigoted person in this newsgroup.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45hiu8$21ic@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> I love the way you abhor all anti-Semitic sentiments and then post one in the 
> same breath.

The ADL has a budget of $31 million a year. Are you so stupid, or venal, that
you would have the readers of this newsgroup believe that all that money buys
them not one cent of influence?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45hivs$21ic@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> I'll hold you to that Al.  From now on, I expect every quote of yours from 
> Mein Kampf to be taken from the 1925 Eher Verlag version and be posted in the 
> original German.  The same with your dippy Napoleon tagline.  Deal?

I can't read German; I use the authorised translation of Mein Kampf (James
Murphy).

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: The politically incorrect Revisionist History Of AIDS
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This is from one of our pamphlets called THE ORGANISED HOMOSEXUAL MOVEMENT 
AND THE WAR AGAINST THE BLACK FAMILY. E-mail me for ordering details.


Finally there was the tragic case of the haemophiliacs. (78)
 The infection of apparently heterosexual males was soon  solved. 
Not  all homosexuals are proud of their perversion, many  married 
men and otherwise normal men - bi-sexuals to be strictly accurate 
-  lead double lives, otherwise happily married, family men,  who 
engage  in depraved sex in public toilets with other  men  either 
spasmodically or regularly. 
 Fumento  (already  cited), offers some interesting  comments  on 
this.  For 1987, he reports 18 heterosexual transmissions in  San 
Francisco  out  of 3,661. For the same years he gives 30  out  of 
3,459  in  Los Angeles and 12 out of 1,344 in  Houston.  (79)  An 
interview  with  an Hispanic male reveals the  frailty  of  human 
testimony. (80) For Hispanics in particular the stigma and  shame 
of  homosexuality leads most if not all to deny any  sexual  con-
tacts with other men. Prostitutes are often blamed as vectors  of 
AIDS,  but an investigation by officials in New York  City  found 
that:  "Of 63 men with AIDS who reported prostitute  contact  but 
denied  other exposure, 42 were later found to have a history  of 
contact  with homosexual men or had engaged in  intravenous  drug 
abuse." (81) One correspondent said: "In my experience, many  men 
will have say they've had sex with a dog before they'll admit  to 
sex with another man." (82) 
 Fumento adds the further enlightening comments on prostitutes: 
 
"...prostitutes  make  handy scapegoats for men wishing  to  deny 
either  homosexuality  or drug abuse", (page 100).  According  to 
Fumento,  many men who claim prostitutes gave them AIDS admit  to 
homosexuality  under repeated questioning. While on page  101  he 
concludes  that  while  some  prostitutes  contracted  AIDS  from 
clients, most caught it from their pimps and boyfriends, who were 
drug abusers.
 
If the closet homosexual blames his contraction of the disease on 
prostitutes  out of shame, the organised homosexual movement  has 
orchestrated  a campaign of disinformation against black  people, 
specifically  Africans,  in order to direct the wrath  of  decent 
people away from their own vile practices. 
 In October 1986, Peter Tatchell wrote the following in the  left 
wing journal $7 Days$:

"Contrary  to the mythology that Aids is a gay plague, the  over-
whelming majority of people with Aids are heterosexual, including 
as  many women as men...Most of these Aids cases are  in  central 
Africa...In  Africa it is estimated that 6% of the total  popula-
tion  is now infected but in some countries it is much  higher  - 
25%  of the Malawi population, 23% of the  Uganda  population..." 
(83)

This was the same Peter Tatchell who believes one in ten of us is 
queer  and who heads OutRage, the sickos who attacked  the  Chief 
Rabbi  Emeritus  for his principled stand  against  this  poison. 
African  scholars  Richard and Rosalind Chirimuuta  comment  that 
"This attempt to deflect anti-homosexual fire onto central  Afri-
cans shows little respect for either truth or logic." (84)
 The  authors  are far too reserved, when such  lying  propaganda 
emanates  from the likes of the British National Party the  reac-
tion is one of hysteria and demands for race act prosecutions. 
 Fumento too warns that the homosexual lobby has been responsible 
for  a massive disinformation campaign, in particular he  alleges 
that  African (heterosexuals) have been blamed for the spread  of 
AIDS. (85) On page 130 he gives the following figures for hetero-
sexual transmission in the United States:

1% among whites 
4% among Hispanics
5% among blacks

One  suspects  that  the relatively high  rates  of  heterosexual 
transmission  among Hispanics and blacks are due  to  intravenous 
drug abuse. This problem is well recognised in the inner cities.
This  is  not to say that Africans and other blacks  are  totally 
blameless for the spread of AIDS; there are homosexuals among all 
races, but far fewer among blacks where the traditional  extended 
family  has  not broken down, and where social mores  make  these 
obscene  practices taboo. As far as there is an AIDS  problem  in 
Africa,  this is due more to the primitive state of health  care. 
The  solution here is clearly investment in public  hygiene  pro-
jects, and decent standards of medical and hospital care. (86)
 Recently, the sick, sordid attempts of homosexuals to foist  the 
blame  for their disease (AIDS) on Africans has met with  violent 
disapproval  from at least one African government. Black  Marxist 
Robert Mugabe is probably no more committed to democracy than was 
Joe Stalin, but in January 1994 his government launched a  crack-
down on organised homosexuals in liberated $Zimbabwe$. (87)  Mugabe  
declared  shit-stabbing  to be "for whites only" while  his  Home 
Affairs Minister said the government was anxious to arrest  homo-
sexuals  because  "[homosexuality] is illegal in  this  country". 
(88) Ironically, a group of faggots in South Africa called for  a 
worldwide  boycott of the country as a tourist destination.  (89) 
Yes, South Africa, the world's pariah! To what depths will  these 
people sink?



-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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I didn't mean to spit in your face, John. It wasn't me who killed your friend.
Perhaps you should apportion the blame where it belongs. Like Zionists, 
homosexuals don't give a fuck about anyone else, in fact they're far worse than
Zionists, and that's saying something.

In  the  final analysis, like all other noisy,  vociferous,  left 
wing pressure groups and lobbies, the organised homosexual  move-
ment doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything other than  its 
own  agenda. Homosexuals might be damned in the next  world,  but 
they  have  damned many innocent people in this  one,  especially 
haemophiliacs.  Reisman  and Eichel (already  cited)  claim  that 
homosexual activists attempted to interfere with the introduction 
of blood-donor screening as long ago as 1983. (93) This was  long 
after the connection was made between hepatitis B and  homosexual 
practices.  Sodomites are notoriously infested with  this  blood-
borne disease.
 In  his  book, Shilts - who can hardly be called a  homophobe  - 
claims, or rather boasts, that homosexuals screamed that  screen-
ing of blood supplies was the equivalent of "scapegoating" them.
 "Representatives from gay organizations...firmly opposed  taking 
any  action  to screen blood donors, saying the  screening  would 
pose  serious civil rights questions." he  said.  Understandably, 
haemophiliacs' representatives were stunned: "what about a  hemo-
philiac's right to life?" they asked. (94)
 While in Washington, fag leaders intimidated Red Cross officials 
into  excluding sexual orientation from a questionnaire  for  do-
nors.  And  in New York, the National Gay Task Force  rounded  up 
virtually  every homosexual leader in Manhattan to stand  on  the 
steps  of the New York Blood Center where they denounced  efforts 
to  screen donors. (95) The result of course was  that  haemophi-
liacs, totally innocent people, were infected with this  terrible 
disease  en masse, and for what purpose? To spare the hurt  feel-
ings  of  the spiritual heirs of Sodom and Gomorrah.  People  who 
will  stoop to such depths, and in this case, to  actually  cause 
the deaths of hundreds, or even thousands, of innocent people, in 
order  to protect a good name none of them deserves  to  possess, 
such  people are beneath contempt and deserve everything God  and 
Nature bestows on them. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:

> when one has been proved right and useful as 
> often as the ADL has 
> 
> Or are you so blinded by your bigotry that you can't see that?

What I did see was a report that the ADL spied on 12,000 citizens and 800
organisations - including Greenpeace! - and had corrupted at least one police
officer in California, and God knows how many else elsewhere. 

Is that you're idea of educating the public about the evils of anti-Semitism?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <813528810snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>
           A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk "Alexander Baron" writes:

 
> Harry, I don't know who is feeding you your lies but he is being extremely
> wreckless. I don't even know who the fuck is the editor of the Spectator.
> To the best of my knowledge I have never even been mentioned by the
> Spectator.

Minor correction: the Spectator is edited by Dominic Lawson, who is Jewish.
Last year it was slagged off for publishing a supposedly anti-Semitic but
really simply asinine article about Hollywood by one William Cash.

The Spectator is written by and for upper class twits and chinless wonders 
and is not something I would read if it were free.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45mnuj$lv7@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:


> Symbolic or not, the suit is (was)  against the Commissioner of Police. 
> The police in Great Britain are decent and honorable.  The ill-bred
> characterization of my source of information does not speak well
> about Mr. Baron's upbringing. 

Just like the police in LA. Ask Rodney King. 
 

> Can Mr. Baron prove that:
> 
> a) He does not know the Editor of _Spectator?_

I have told you once Harry, don't persist with this nonsense or I'll make you
look foolish like I did over the Suzman and Diamond book. You are being informed
by liars.




-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Subject: Re: More of Baron's Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:


Dan, I am amazed, simply amazed that you would attempt to defend the dross
of Kitty Hart. I am becoming more and more convinced that, like Pressac, you
are a Revisionist mole.

 
> # "On the outside of the low building a ladder had been placed 
> # which reached up to a small opening. A figure in SS uniform 
> # climbed up briskly. At the top he pulled on a gas mask and 
> # gloves. Holding the opening with one hand, he pulled a bag 
> # out of his pocket, and swiftly threw the contents, a 
> # white powder, inside, shutting the opening immediately...the most 
> # terrifying screams echoed through the air, the desperate cries of 
> # suffocating people".

One bag of white powder which she saw from fifty yards away, and it killed
hundreds of people. And of course she heard the screams too.
 

> # page 104   "it was the sight of the little babies thrown into the 
> # bonfires without the detour of the gas chamber that always made 
> # me feel sick."

She saw this for real, did she Dan?
 
> The "bonfires" obviously mean the burning ditches. Many testified
> about this. We also know (and Baron doesn't deny this) that the
> Nazis burned people alive elsewhere.

Naughty, naughty, trying it on again. Once again you are referring to an
SS atrocity at the end of the war, the sort of thing that happened at 
Lidice, only this time it was a camp. Kitty Hart is talking about alleged
systematic mass murder.


> # pages 105-6 "One afternoon while we were inside the sauna taking 
> # showers, there was a strong smell of gas. Was this perhaps our 
> # imagination?"
> # This was caused, apparently, by one of the doors of the gas 
> # chambers being opened too early.
> 
> Definitely possible. What doesn't Baron accept here? The gas chambers
> of Kremas IV and V did have ventilation problems (see Pressac's book).

Dan, how far was she from the "gas chamber"? Considering how deadly cyanide
is meant to be, would it really have been drifting all over the camp?
 
> # page 106: a woman in the crematorium recognised her own son, she 
> # ran to him, he was stacking wood. Outside?
> # page 107 "He handed her a towel and soap, and joined her inside 
> # the gas chamber. There were a thousand such incidents."
> 
> The "thousand such incidents" may be inaccurate; but it's a typical
> way in which people talk, like in "I told you a thousand times...".

Stop it Dan, please, stop it. Did she see this "incident"? Please, don't
humiliate yourself.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 15 17:46:17 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More of Baron's Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

 
> A rather accurate description of the gassings in Krema IV and
> V, where the gas was indeed thrown inside through small openings
> in the side walls (see "Nazi Mass Murder" and Pressac's book). Hart's
> description may be inaccurate on the color of the Zyklon-B, though.

Kremas I & II through the roof, III & IV through the side, according to
Mueller at the Auschwitz trial.

Don't forget either that the bucket did the lambada. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Fake documents, Dr Bendel and the laws of physics
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Players and spectators will recall that I mentioned the case of Dr Bendel
who testified at the Belsen trial that people were dispatched five at a time.
It was subsequently claimed by the "Jews can never lie brigade" that what he
meant was that they were placed in rows of five and shot one at a time. I've 
just found where I saw this first.

Staeglich - pages 98-9 mentions the case of a "buried manuscript" in which
it is alleged that Moll lined people up 4 at a time and dispatched them with
a single bullet.

Unfortunately, the source he gives is Adler, Langbein and Lingens-Reiner,
whose book was published only in German. This manuscript was said to have
been "found" in 1953, it was a notebook in Yiddish.

Staeglich documents this nonsense and stresses that it is clearly of communist
origin.

Please comment as follows:

Jamie McCarthy: More rhetoric Baron. What evidence is there that this is 
a forgery or that this magic bullet trick couldn't have happened?

Mike Stein/John Morris: This is obviously a case of the truth being embroidered.

David Cole: Change the subject and accuse Baron of lying about something else.

Harry Mazal: Wait for October 22 then accuse Baron of lying about something 
else.

Chorus: Baron is a Nazi.




-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45bmme$24v4@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

>The only reasons 
> why Holocaust revisionism in its present form deserves to be "banned" are 
> because of its thinly veiled racist and anti-Semitic underpinnings on the one 
> hand, and its deliberately misleading "research" on the other.  


According to the likes of Deborah Lipstadt, Holocaust Revisionism is 
anti-Semitic per se. In other words, by her criteria it all deserves to
be banned.

>I do not 
> advocate forceful banning of this inanity, unless it spills over into 
> violence

Ask Ernst - where's my house gone? - Zundel; David - bloody nose - Cole,
Greg - arson victim - Raven; Robert - acid in face - Faurisson, and plenty
of others, who initiates such violence.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <45bmma$24v4@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> Does the fact that two newspapers might have been owned by Jews during WWII 
> imply something to you, Al?  Do you mean to say that they controlled the 
> editorial and news policies in some nefarious way?  Does this have anything 
> to do with the historical reality of the Holocaust?

You, or someone, made a snide remark about Al believing that the media was
controlled by Jews. I provided evidence from a Jewish author that most
of Hollywood was owned by Jews and the two most influential newspapers in
the States at the time. That is all.

While I do not subscribe to the belief that Jews - or a substantial number of
them - are involved in a conscious plot to subvert Western civilisation -
I think it equally absurd to postulate the belief that because so many
Jews work in or control the media that this in no way reflects Jewish
aspirations. Certainly the mass media is more susceptible to lobbying
by Zionist "aspirations", although after Sabra and Shatila even the most
gullible and compliant of media Jews have woken up to the true nature of 
Zionism, as I know from private conversations with Jewish journalists. Like
goyim, most of these people are too intimidated to go on the record.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 16 07:04:04 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <45cr6s$bo@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:


> Pimply-faced creeps are welcome to try!

That is not my quote! I don't advocate violence against anyone; I leave that
for those poor, persecuted POWERLESS people who shoot Palestinian schoolchildren
on their way to buy milk.

> I  don't sue respectable people for libel (including the Commissioner
> of Police) and I certainly don't fear Mr. Baron's colossal lies.

You should really get your facts straight; don't forget that the people 
who have been feeding you this have also been feeding you stories about
gas chambers, you silly little man.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article <45e3cn$872@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:
 
> Since you haven't offered the tiniest nubbin of evidence that Kitty 
> Hart is a "shameless liar", why shouldn't Mr. McCarthy continue to 
> call you on it.  Apparently, we're all supposed to reject Ms. Hart's
> story merely because you find it unbelievable.  Don't you find this 
> a bit odd, Al?

Read my further posting. Hart's story is an outright lie.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> 
> Once again, Baron dismisses a testimony not because of any 
> rational argument, but because he doesn't want it to be true.

Mr Baron dismisses this testimony for the same reason a policeman would.
Or anyone with half a brain. We are being asked to believe that a woman was
led into the gas chamber - don't forget how crowded they were - with a baby
sucking at her breast. They were gassed, and the baby alone survived. Leaving
aside the fact that the babies were supposed to have been thrown into the fire
alive (remember Wiesel?) the door was opened and voila! all the Jews piled up
in the centre, SS man Wagner walks in (with his gas mask on?) finds the bab
lying there, and runs out and throws it into the oven. But weren't the gas 
chambers in the basement, Dan?

Let me ask you a question Dan, straight. Are you taking the piss? Are you
really a secret Revisionist who is doing everything in his power to make
this already implausible story totally unbelievable? Are you sure you aren't
really an agent of Willis Carto?

Grow up, Dan. Hart was told a lie and repeated it gratuitously. But that is
 nothing new for survivors, Jew and Gentile.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45d1gs$92j@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:


Oh yeah, the AIDS Cover-Up is good too. The author - Gene Antonio - got 
his mathematics wrong, but he covers in depth the sort of filth homos
practice. Again, only for those with a strong stomach. You might also try
reading the personal ads in any faggots' newspaper. Stoner was right: Thank 
God for AIDS.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45d1gs$92j@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
> 
> >Try studying the literature; part of the "gay" myth is that these human dung
> >beetles don't eat shit and that being queer is a positive alternative to
> >being normal.
> 
> What literature are you studying, Al?  Please cite it so I can check it
> out.
> 
> I have never heard of any specifically gay sex practices that involved
> the direct eating of feces.   But I'll ask some gay people about this
> just to be sure.

Again, try Fumento's book to start with, it's crammed with references. If you've
got a strong stomach you can read The Orton Diaries. Nothing in that about
eating crap but he boasts of doing everything else, including abusing young
boys in Tangier.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45fojk$a3u@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:


> Could it be that Mr. Baron, who is unable to eke out a
> living by selling his odious pamphlets, is attempting
> to make his living by harassing honest and decent people
> into a settlement?

You haven't answered MY question. Which honest and decent person, you odious
little creep?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45fsft$li4@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
>I guess such an explanation would be
> along the same lines that you explained how the US Federal Reserve is
> controlled by Jews, that is, no explanation at all but another
> assertion of your rather distorted view of how the world works.



Still repeating that lie, John? Please reprint the quote where I said that
the Jews control the Federal Reserve. It doesn't exist.

 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45ebj1$4h6@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

 
> Al, please--I don't know how many times you've been asked this.  What,
> exactly, do you find unbelievable about Kitty Hart's story?  Do you 
> just refuse to answer this question?  Is there something in the story
> that strikes you as physically impossible, or what?


Read the passage: she says that a baby was gassed, sucking at its mother's 
breast, then the SS man found it and threw it into the oven. Do you really
believe that? Do you believe in the tooth fairy?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45fpel$li4@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

 
> It is a small wonder why you have been so reticent about posting any
> information that would make it easy for your readers to verify your
> claims. You have an uncanny ability to utterly misrepresent what you
> have read.
> 
> It is as plain as can be the Kitty Hart did *not* see the baby thrown
> into the "blazing oven," nor does she claim to have seen such a thing.
> It is as plain as can be that Kitty Hart is reporting what was told to
> her by a member of the Sonderkommando. Hart could only be deemed to be
> lying if someone could show that she misreported what she was told.

I'm clutching at straws? You defend this drivel and you accuse ME of clutching
at straws?

> That being said, I still do not see what is impossible in the account.
> Hart may have got the detail wrong that the baby didn;t die because it
> was sucking when in reality the baby did not die for the same reason
> that others did not die: the door was opened too soon. Though I would
> like to believe that my fellow human beings are capable of such
> cruelty, they nevertheless are.

On a scale of one to a million, how much credibility do you give this nonsense?
Hart's book is an autobiography, I repeat. 


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Nizkor: lap-dog of untruth
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The article below was given to me sometime ago by Lady Birdwood. It is taken
>from  an American anti-Semitic newspaper, probably $Christian Vanguard$.
Lady Birdwood is as gullible as she is sincere, and believes every word
of this nonsense. I think it requires little comment; the woman in question
was obviously so mentally disturbed that she confused the ancient folklore
of Jews ritually killing Christian boys with the modern folklore of Satanists
snatching people off the streets and breeding babies to sacrifice to the 
Devil.

Implausible as this woman's story is, it is a great deal more credible
than the dross spewed out by Kitty Hart of SS man Wagner and the baby,
and of Dr Bendel's "eyewitness account" of the wicked Nazis despatching
5 people with one bullet. Indeed, if you have been following the trial of
Rosemary West, you will find the story below not simply plausible but rather
tame.

All the same, this story provoked howls of outrage from Jewish groups. One
would have expected someone as highly paid as Oprah Winfrey to exert a 
little more critical faculty. By the same token, one would expect academics
like Dan Keren, John Morris et al to exert more than a little.

If you accept the lies and nonsense of Kitty Hart and Dr Bendel at face
value, you should not find fault with Oprah Winfrey's guest either.


"On May 1, 1989, the Oprah Winfrey show had as its guest a person 
who, as a young girl, was forced to participate in a ritual in 
which an infant was sacrificed. The amazing thing about the guest 
is that she was not affiliated with some unknown radical blood 
letting cult, but that she was a JEW.

"According to an article on the show in the $Chicago Tribune$, 
the woman was "undergoing long-term psychiatric treatment," 
apparently because of her horrible experience. The newspaper 
article is quoted below in its entirety."

The article is from the 7th May issue, is credited to the $New 
York Times News Service,$ and is entitled $Jews Protest Sacrifice 
Tale on Oprah Show.$ Apparently, hundreds of people, the leaders 
of Jewish organisations and civil liberties groups all protested 
against the airing of the young woman's allegations.

The pseudonymous "Rachel" had claimed that she had witnessed the 
ritual sacrifice of Jewish children and that she had been the 
victim of long term abuse. She claimed also that other Jewish 
families across the country engaged in such practices, and linked 
them to the recent mass murder of 13 people at Matamoros, Mexico.

Oprah Winfrey said this was the first time she had heard of Jews 
sacrificing children, and the woman told her, "When I was very 
young, I was forced to participate in that, and which I had [sic] 
to sacrifice an infant." 

At one point, says the article, the woman asserted that ritual 
sacrifices occurred in other Jewish families, and that they were 
known to the police.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 16 07:04:13 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Our pal Al
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> 
> Calling those who believed in the Protocols antisemites is fairly accurate
> as the Protocols were antisemitic in nature. What else would you call
> someone who holds antisemitic beliefs except an antisemite? 

How about misinformed? Gullible? Unable to assess evidence?
 
> So? Are you suggesting that ignorance and believing in "rubbish" is an
> excuse to be antisemitic?

You're begging the question: why shouldn't people believe in the Protocols,
flying saucers, astrology, the Loch Ness Monster, that the Freemasons control
the world? All you are really saying is that anyone who rejects consensus or 
believes in conspiracies is a bigot.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Don't E-mail me
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If people are going to post questions in the group, please don't E-mail 
me as well. Thanks.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <45ibb7$e0g@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> Mr Baron once again makes a statement and does not back it up with
> evidence. Does he deny that he sued the editors of Spectator 

Harry, I don't know who is feeding you your lies but he is being extremely
wreckless. I don't even know who the fuck is the editor of the Spectator.
To the best of my knowledge I have never even been mentioned by the
Spectator.

Before you make a complete fool of yourself I should point out that the
Police Commissioner is the symbolic head of the police; anyone who sues
the police sues the Commissioner - or in the Provinces, the relevant Chief
Constable. Did your grubby little, lying mole tell you that I was granted
legal aid for counsel's opinion to sue the Metropolitan Police for false
arrest? Did he tell you that these proceedings are still pending? 

Shut your mouth until you get proper information, which will come from me.
You're an old fool Harry, but do yourself a favour and be an old fool in
private.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Does Baron believe Kitty Hart had a sex change?
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In article <45h5jf$q71@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

>     So Hart may well have padded out her book with things she did not
> experience herself _or_ hear while actually at Auschwitz, but rather read
> elsewhere after the fact.  

The point is Mike, if she'd written only about what happened to her it would
have been a very boring book. I don't dispute that she had a hard time, that 
she suffered, and she was only a young girl, but at the end of the day this is
only mitigation for bare-faced lies. No amount of sophistry will change that.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Further to NIGGER walks!
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In article <1995Oct11.171333@malins.mala.bc.ca> lambethl@mala.bc.ca  writes:


>The Baaka people (known to us ignorant folk as "pygmies")
> do not have kids on drugs, people in power (thus, no political corruption),
> taxes to pay, mortgages, bills, etc.. They live in thatched huts, share
> their resources and food, have extremely close familial and neighbourly
> relations, don't war with others and don't destroy their/our 
> environment. No doubt, however, we'll get to them too and they'll then
> be able to thank us for assigning them to  the ranks of all those other
> folk who we, in our infinite wisdom and wonderful ways, have exploited
> and ruined with our marvellous technology and superior wisdom. 
> 
>  
> If everyone lived as the Baaka do, or the traditional Inuit, or those few
> remaining others whose homes are not made of vinyl, a lot of the problems
> our world is diseased with and threatened by today would not exist. Period.
> We have a great deal to learn from those people in the mud huts. But then,
> those who think they know it all cannot be taught.


If you think their "civilisation" is so jolly splendid, fuck off to the 
North Pole and live in an igloo. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron and Shots in the Neck (Re: More Exterminat
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> 
> "The other hundred were put in rows in lines of five and one
>  single SS man passed by and gave them a shot in the neck. Kramer
>  was Kommandant of the camp [Birkenau] at that time and was
>  present in these killings".
> 
>  [From the testimony of Dr. Bendel]
> 
> Bendel also noted that many other SS-men were present during
> the execution.

Read it again, Dan, that is exactly what it does say: when I get time
I'm going to read the actual transcripts of this trial, which contains
far more embarrassing trash than this; I've already read the full testimony
of a couple of the other witnesses. It amazes me that anyone could believe any
of this stuff.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: More Hartfelt fantasies
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A few days ago I posted a quote from Kitty Hart; I have reposted it here,
correcting a misplaced comma and a word that should have been italicised.
I've added some more of her fantasies too for the likes of Mr McCarthy
to explain away.

$I am alive$, by Kitty Hart, published by Abelard-Schuman, London, 
(1961).


pages 85-6 "I raised my head and there not fifty yards away was a 
sight that staggered me. I had seen much, but never, never any-
thing like this. I stood as if hypnotized. I could not move I was 
actually witnessing with my very own eyes a murder, not of one 
person, but of hundreds of people, innocent people who had been 
led, mostly unsuspectingly into a large hall. This was a sight 
that could $never$ be forgotten. On the outside of the low building 
a ladder had been placed which reached up to a small opening. A 
figure in SS uniform climbed up briskly. At the top he pulled on 
a gas mask and gloves. Holding the opening with one hand, he 
pulled a bag out of his pocket, and swiftly threw the contents, a 
white powder, inside, shutting the opening immediately...the most 
terrifying screams echoed through the air, the desperate cries of 
suffocating people. I stood holding my breath, my hands pressed 
against my ears, but the cries were so loud, one would have 
thought the whole world must be able to hear them."  in five to 
eight minutes it was all over.

page 92 "I think our main fight was for sanity..."  in her case 
it was obviously not successful.


page 104   "it was the sight of the little babies thrown into the 
bonfires without the detour of the gas chamber that always made 
me feel sick."



pages 105-6 "One afternoon while we were inside the sauna taking 
showers, there was a strong smell of gas. Was this perhaps our 
imagination?"
This was caused, apparently, by one of the doors of the gas 
chambers being opened too early.



this (below) is the quote in question:

page 106: "It often happened that when doors were opened too 
early, some people were still alive. Once, to the horror of the 
men of the $Sonderkommando$, they found a tiny baby alive when all 
the others were already dead. It lay sucking its dead mother's 
breast and probably sucked all the time and so had not inhaled 
the deadly gas fumes. SS man Wagner, who was there, was furious 
and, picking up the little baby, threw it into the blazing oven."


page 106: a woman in the crematorium recognised her own son, she 
ran to him, he was stacking wood. Outside?
page 107 "He handed her a towel and soap, and joined her inside 
the gas chamber. There were a thousand such incidents."

All of them in your head, poor Kitty Felix.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <45e06s$bem@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:

> 
> I hope that this _The Myth of Heterosexual Aids_ is not something like
> the stuff that J.B. Stoner puts out that it is impossible for Whites
> to get AIDS "unless they are sodomites."  and goes on to say, as does
> Stoner, that Blacks and Jews get AIDS easily and goes on to say that
> "AIDS is a gift from God." and "Thank God for AIDS." 

No. Actually I am of the opinion that homosexuality is primarily a white man's
perversion (I hope that isn't considered "racist"). 

> _The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS_  sorta reminds me of

Fumento is a science journalist; he's also written an excellent book on
the misuse or misunderstanding of science - I've seen it but can't recall
its title off-hand.

The queers hate the likes of Fumento because like me he shoots from the hip.
He doesn't say he hopes they all drown in their poison like the lowlife and
slime they are, he says simply that that is the most likely scenario.

The claim that AIDS can infect anyone is a myth perpetrated by faggots. It's
also these lowlife rather than the J.B. Stoners of this world who started the
AIDS is caused by blacks rumour.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article <45hiv0$21ic@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> When is the last time you called a right-winger a "stupid conservative"?  Or 
> a "stupid Nazi"?

I have been known to call people f*****g fascists here and there.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45hiv4$21ic@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
> The consenting adult aspect of prostitution is not the point.  The 
> exploitation of youth by pimps and others is the point.

No one was talking about the exploitation of youth, which, like child molesting,
is illegal, we were talking about prostitution, a contract between two consenting
adults, one who is paying for a service and another who is selling it. Whatever
you may think of them.


> The evidence against Capone, although entirely irrelevant to this newsgroup, 
> is indeed documented, in FBI files amongst other places.


So why wasn't it documented at the time? Because the dead can't answer back,
that's why.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45i237$oqa@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@news.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
 
> Thank you, Al, for pointing out the flaw in the Jewish character -- a flaw
> comparable to, say serial killing or rape.  Perhaps you should remember this
> post when you try to claim that you are not racist or antisemetic!

As you obviously believe that serial murder and rape are far more serious than
inveterate lying, you should commend me for my philo-Semitism, in 
accusing Jews of having less serious character defects than white Gentiles. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45k56c$lno@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Well, you better watch out then. You take a pretty combative stance
> towards "Organized Jewry" yourself, and, if this powerful menace
> decides to knock you off, it will be your own damned fault, won't it?
> I mean, if the Holocaust was a result of a call for an anti-German
> boycott, it stands to reason that your death will have been caused by
> your vexatious and frivolous lawsuits.

A number of Zionists have attempted - one of them successfully - to incite
violence against me. Re lawsuits, until you get accurate information, I would
suggest you refrain from commenting on them. I have not commented on them,
regardless of Harry frightened old man Mazal's claim in this thread.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45kfij$8ge@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:
> >
> >  Oh, you're accepting press clippings from court proceedings as evidence
> >  now, Al, and not insisting on autopsy reports?  That being the case, if
> >  I can provide you with a press clipping on the conviction of, say, 
> >  Adolf Eichmann, would you accept the reality of the Holocaust?

I would accept that as proof that Adolf Eichmann claimed that it happened.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45kem5$22o_002@com.mindspring.com>
           kerwin@mindspring.com "Kerwin L. Gray" writes:

> So did the tape you watch show Rodney King crashing his car, exiting his car 
> and attacking the first officer on the scene?  

With his head?

> American Lawyer (a traditionally liberal publication) has a detailed 
> account, written by a liberal lawyer who attended every day of the trial, of 
> all of the facts involved in the arrest of Rodney King.  I don't read any 
> right wing propaganda

Liberals can be arseholes too; we saw the film here. As someone who has been
arrested more than once, the last time by an officer who was clearly working to
another agenda, I can state conscientiously that these four thugs went
way beyond "reasonable force". 


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45lcaj$33t@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:
> 
> But the virus is in at least two forms.  The form most prevalent in
> Africa is different from the form most prevelant in America.
> 
> There could be something to the arguement that it is more difficult
> to get AIDS (the form in America) through vaginal intercourse, but it
> is still not impossible.

AIDS isn't a virus, it's a series of diseases, a "syndrome", surely everybody 
knows that. It is spread primarily by filth, queer filth.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45m3n6$j47@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> Alexander Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> When it was pointed out to you that your statement was incorrect, you 
> fled the thread with your tail between your legs.

The main point of this thread is that I had claimed that "the Jews" control
the Fed; I have never done that, and if you had read my 1993 pamphlet on
Eustace Mullins you would know that I said exactly the opposite.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
 
> > In this vein, I once read in the _IHR Newsletter_: "There's no business
> >                                                     like shoah business."

I believe it was a Jew, Jacobo Timerman who coined this phrase.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45k3f7$lno@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

 
> Now post your proof that it was impossible for Wagner to have thrown a
> baby into a crematory furnace. Forget the pathetic embellishments like
> "still sucking its dead mother's breast" (which Hart, as is now
> obvious, could not have seen anyway). Read like a policeman if you
> think that's how you should read. Does the policeman in you not want
> to investigate further to see if this Wagner chap is not in fact a
> murderer?

Again, Hart's book is an "autobiography". The particulars of the libel on
this German officer are that he was present at or after the "gassing" of a group
of Jews, that he went into the "gas chamber" immediately after, and that he found
a baby there. He picked it up, and threw it alive into an oven.

At the very best, Hart was a young girl when she heard this story and repeated
it verbatim. At the worst she invented it - or her ghost writer did - for her
novel. If you excuse this sort of filth then I submit you would also have to
excuse - for example - a Palestinian who claimed that a named Israeli soldier
practiced ritual murder on an unnamed Arab boy at some unspecified time.

Notwithstanding the fact that many Palestinian children have been shot in cold
blood by Israeli soldiers, this would still be a gross libel.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45k43b$lno@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
> So far you have only said it's drivel. Prove it. Come on, PC Baron,
> dozens of eyewitnesses have said that people were murdered with poison
> gas. Several of them have seen people burned alive. One reports that
> she heard that a baby was burned alive. You are duty bound, Constable,
> to make sure that this Wagner fellow doesn't get away with murder.
> Your opinions aren't going to count for much when your DCI asks what
> you did to find out if any of it was true. What are you going to tell
> him? "Oh well, guv, he seemed like such a nice chap when I had a pint
> with him, so I went and beat the crap out this Hart girl instead."

John, hundreds of people have claimed to have been kidnapped by aliens, 
and their stories show a remarkable similarity. That is an urban legend.
The fact that many people have made the same claim under broadly similar
circumstances proves simply that they repeated the same rumours.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45m3cj$i07@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> Al, you're infuriating.  I'll ask you once again--why do find it 
> impossible to believe that an SS man would throw a baby in an oven?
> Please don't just repeat the story again--tell me why its impossible.

Again, this is not "an SS man threw a baby into an oven", this is "an SS man
threw a baby that had survived a gassing into an oven". There seems to be
a consensus emerging here that Hart was repeating what somebody had told her.
I call that hearsay; hearsay is not evidence; if it were, OJ would have been
convicted of the two murders. Probably so would Mark Furman, the CIA, Bill
Clinton and Uncle Tom Cobbly and all.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Baron, were you born a filthy swine, or did you take
> lessons at becoming one?

A filthy swine is a man who f***s another man up the a***, not the person
who condemns such poison.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Subject: Re: AL Baron and AL Capone.  Coincidence??  I think not...
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In article <45k3ft$9qb@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca>
           t08o@europa.sun.csd.unb.ca "Keith Morrison" writes:

 
> First, Al Capone was the undisputed head of the Chicago illegal liquor
> trade and the Mob.  Second, people who were in conflict with the business
> Capone was in, whether rival distributors or people trying to control
> Capone's group ended up dead, murdered.  The Saint Valentine's Day
> Massacre is one noted instance where a group attempting to usurp some
> of Capone's power were killed.
> 
> What does this suggest to the average person?

What it suggests to the average person doesn't count; the average person
may well believe in flying saucers, but let him prove their existence in
a court of law.
 
> Or let us use the legal definitions.  Who had the means, the motive and
> the opportunity to kill those people?


> Capone had both the means and opportunity.  He was the leader of a group
> of people, some of whom were either known as or were later found guilty
> of being murderers.  He was their boss.
> 
> Capone had the motive.  People who died were threats to his rise or hold
> on ultimate power in the Chicago mob.
> 
> A *reasonable* person would clearly understand that.  


For every problem there is a solution, neat, plausible and wrong. H.L. Mencken

Back then they didn't
> have RICO so they couldn't charge Capone with being the head of the Mob
> and probably ordering the killings because there was no *direct* proof
> he was involved.  They could only charge him with something that they
> could prove he, himself, did.  Thus they nailed him on tax evasion.

In other words, they couldn't prove he committed or even ordered one murder,
and neither can you. Why not admit it?

> These days, Capone would have been facing RICO suits up to his eyeballs.

These days Capone would have been a respectable businessman, probably a
director of Seagrams.

> In any event, this whole discussion is moot.  Everyone else who knows
> anything about history knows who and what Al Capone is.  And the more
> you keep up these silly-assed arguments, the more people will know who
> and what Al Baron is.

Trial by media, "proof" by assertion.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           rem5@sawdust.cvfn.org "Robert McElwaine" writes:

>                The main conspiracy revealed here is that, around 1954, 
>           a high-level group of U.S. military officers, called 
>           "Majestic Twelve" (MJ-12), [members NAMED and profiled on 
>           pages 223-4.], made a secret deal with a race of REPTILIAN 
>           SPACE ALIENS known as the "GRAYS", whereby the Grays would 
>           give MJ-12 flying saucer technology, in exchange for 
>           permission to take certain minerals from the Earth, MUTILATE 
>           CATTLE, and ABDUCT a limited number of HUMANS for medical 
>           examinations. 


You people are so gullible you keep repeating the same dross over and over
again. The MJ-12 documents are proven forgeries. Read Philip Klass before 
you peddle this fantasy, or is he a CIA disinformation specialist?

>                                    Robert E. McElwaine
>                                    B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC

What does B.S. stand for, Bloody Simpleton?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45lc1u$33m@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:

 
> I didn't say that J.B. Stoner is saying that the Blacks cause AIDS.  I
> said that he says that Blacks are a lot less resistant to AIDS than
> Whites.  He also believes that Jews have low resistance.   On the other
> hand, he believes that Whites (Aryans) are so highly resistant that
> the only way a White person can get AIDS is if they are "sodomites."


J.B. Stoner and company are anti-black bigots, but it was faggots who gave them
another weapon to batter the black man with.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           jamie@voyager.net "Jamie McCarthy" writes:

> Much to my surprise, in this article, Mr. Baron _again_ mentions me,
> again with an insulting tone, again regarding something which we have
> discussed at length in email.  And again, Mr. Baron did not do me the
> courtesy of sending me courtesy email to let me know that he was
> insulting me here on Usenet.

Only because you have told me you regard all E-mail with "Deniers" as public
domain. 

> Please do this in future, Mr. Baron.  I've just stumbled across these
> two emails today.  Have you been making insinuations about me publicly
> in the past, insinuations which I have not answered because I was busy
> with other things?  

I don't make insinuations Jamie, I state point blank that you are wilfully 
blind. See my latest posting re Jewish ritual murder which will, hopefully,
show you the error of your double standards. 


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <4567i4$2c4u@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> :>On the contrary, it means that Mr. Baron hates women, children, the
> :>elderly, the obese, the Germans, and everyone else in the world that he
> :>has ever had to deal with, in addition to hating the Jews.

In other words you have just claimed that I hold the Jewish people in no 
greater contempt than I hold the rest of mankind, which makes me the 
most unbigoted person in this newsgroup.

-- 
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"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45hiu8$21ic@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> I love the way you abhor all anti-Semitic sentiments and then post one in the 
> same breath.

The ADL has a budget of $31 million a year. Are you so stupid, or venal, that
you would have the readers of this newsgroup believe that all that money buys
them not one cent of influence?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45hivs$21ic@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> I'll hold you to that Al.  From now on, I expect every quote of yours from 
> Mein Kampf to be taken from the 1925 Eher Verlag version and be posted in the 
> original German.  The same with your dippy Napoleon tagline.  Deal?

I can't read German; I use the authorised translation of Mein Kampf (James
Murphy).

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: The politically incorrect Revisionist History Of AIDS
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This is from one of our pamphlets called THE ORGANISED HOMOSEXUAL MOVEMENT 
AND THE WAR AGAINST THE BLACK FAMILY. E-mail me for ordering details.


Finally there was the tragic case of the haemophiliacs. (78)
 The infection of apparently heterosexual males was soon  solved. 
Not  all homosexuals are proud of their perversion, many  married 
men and otherwise normal men - bi-sexuals to be strictly accurate 
-  lead double lives, otherwise happily married, family men,  who 
engage  in depraved sex in public toilets with other  men  either 
spasmodically or regularly. 
 Fumento  (already  cited), offers some interesting  comments  on 
this.  For 1987, he reports 18 heterosexual transmissions in  San 
Francisco  out  of 3,661. For the same years he gives 30  out  of 
3,459  in  Los Angeles and 12 out of 1,344 in  Houston.  (79)  An 
interview  with  an Hispanic male reveals the  frailty  of  human 
testimony. (80) For Hispanics in particular the stigma and  shame 
of  homosexuality leads most if not all to deny any  sexual  con-
tacts with other men. Prostitutes are often blamed as vectors  of 
AIDS,  but an investigation by officials in New York  City  found 
that:  "Of 63 men with AIDS who reported prostitute  contact  but 
denied  other exposure, 42 were later found to have a history  of 
contact  with homosexual men or had engaged in  intravenous  drug 
abuse." (81) One correspondent said: "In my experience, many  men 
will have say they've had sex with a dog before they'll admit  to 
sex with another man." (82) 
 Fumento adds the further enlightening comments on prostitutes: 
 
"...prostitutes  make  handy scapegoats for men wishing  to  deny 
either  homosexuality  or drug abuse", (page 100).  According  to 
Fumento,  many men who claim prostitutes gave them AIDS admit  to 
homosexuality  under repeated questioning. While on page  101  he 
concludes  that  while  some  prostitutes  contracted  AIDS  from 
clients, most caught it from their pimps and boyfriends, who were 
drug abusers.
 
If the closet homosexual blames his contraction of the disease on 
prostitutes  out of shame, the organised homosexual movement  has 
orchestrated  a campaign of disinformation against black  people, 
specifically  Africans,  in order to direct the wrath  of  decent 
people away from their own vile practices. 
 In October 1986, Peter Tatchell wrote the following in the  left 
wing journal $7 Days$:

"Contrary  to the mythology that Aids is a gay plague, the  over-
whelming majority of people with Aids are heterosexual, including 
as  many women as men...Most of these Aids cases are  in  central 
Africa...In  Africa it is estimated that 6% of the total  popula-
tion  is now infected but in some countries it is much  higher  - 
25%  of the Malawi population, 23% of the  Uganda  population..." 
(83)

This was the same Peter Tatchell who believes one in ten of us is 
queer  and who heads OutRage, the sickos who attacked  the  Chief 
Rabbi  Emeritus  for his principled stand  against  this  poison. 
African  scholars  Richard and Rosalind Chirimuuta  comment  that 
"This attempt to deflect anti-homosexual fire onto central  Afri-
cans shows little respect for either truth or logic." (84)
 The  authors  are far too reserved, when such  lying  propaganda 
emanates  from the likes of the British National Party the  reac-
tion is one of hysteria and demands for race act prosecutions. 
 Fumento too warns that the homosexual lobby has been responsible 
for  a massive disinformation campaign, in particular he  alleges 
that  African (heterosexuals) have been blamed for the spread  of 
AIDS. (85) On page 130 he gives the following figures for hetero-
sexual transmission in the United States:

1% among whites 
4% among Hispanics
5% among blacks

One  suspects  that  the relatively high  rates  of  heterosexual 
transmission  among Hispanics and blacks are due  to  intravenous 
drug abuse. This problem is well recognised in the inner cities.
This  is  not to say that Africans and other blacks  are  totally 
blameless for the spread of AIDS; there are homosexuals among all 
races, but far fewer among blacks where the traditional  extended 
family  has  not broken down, and where social mores  make  these 
obscene  practices taboo. As far as there is an AIDS  problem  in 
Africa,  this is due more to the primitive state of health  care. 
The  solution here is clearly investment in public  hygiene  pro-
jects, and decent standards of medical and hospital care. (86)
 Recently, the sick, sordid attempts of homosexuals to foist  the 
blame  for their disease (AIDS) on Africans has met with  violent 
disapproval  from at least one African government. Black  Marxist 
Robert Mugabe is probably no more committed to democracy than was 
Joe Stalin, but in January 1994 his government launched a  crack-
down on organised homosexuals in liberated $Zimbabwe$. (87)  Mugabe  
declared  shit-stabbing  to be "for whites only" while  his  Home 
Affairs Minister said the government was anxious to arrest  homo-
sexuals  because  "[homosexuality] is illegal in  this  country". 
(88) Ironically, a group of faggots in South Africa called for  a 
worldwide  boycott of the country as a tourist destination.  (89) 
Yes, South Africa, the world's pariah! To what depths will  these 
people sink?



-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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I didn't mean to spit in your face, John. It wasn't me who killed your friend.
Perhaps you should apportion the blame where it belongs. Like Zionists, 
homosexuals don't give a fuck about anyone else, in fact they're far worse than
Zionists, and that's saying something.

In  the  final analysis, like all other noisy,  vociferous,  left 
wing pressure groups and lobbies, the organised homosexual  move-
ment doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything other than  its 
own  agenda. Homosexuals might be damned in the next  world,  but 
they  have  damned many innocent people in this  one,  especially 
haemophiliacs.  Reisman  and Eichel (already  cited)  claim  that 
homosexual activists attempted to interfere with the introduction 
of blood-donor screening as long ago as 1983. (93) This was  long 
after the connection was made between hepatitis B and  homosexual 
practices.  Sodomites are notoriously infested with  this  blood-
borne disease.
 In  his  book, Shilts - who can hardly be called a  homophobe  - 
claims, or rather boasts, that homosexuals screamed that  screen-
ing of blood supplies was the equivalent of "scapegoating" them.
 "Representatives from gay organizations...firmly opposed  taking 
any  action  to screen blood donors, saying the  screening  would 
pose  serious civil rights questions." he  said.  Understandably, 
haemophiliacs' representatives were stunned: "what about a  hemo-
philiac's right to life?" they asked. (94)
 While in Washington, fag leaders intimidated Red Cross officials 
into  excluding sexual orientation from a questionnaire  for  do-
nors.  And  in New York, the National Gay Task Force  rounded  up 
virtually  every homosexual leader in Manhattan to stand  on  the 
steps  of the New York Blood Center where they denounced  efforts 
to  screen donors. (95) The result of course was  that  haemophi-
liacs, totally innocent people, were infected with this  terrible 
disease  en masse, and for what purpose? To spare the hurt  feel-
ings  of  the spiritual heirs of Sodom and Gomorrah.  People  who 
will  stoop to such depths, and in this case, to  actually  cause 
the deaths of hundreds, or even thousands, of innocent people, in 
order  to protect a good name none of them deserves  to  possess, 
such  people are beneath contempt and deserve everything God  and 
Nature bestows on them. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:

> when one has been proved right and useful as 
> often as the ADL has 
> 
> Or are you so blinded by your bigotry that you can't see that?

What I did see was a report that the ADL spied on 12,000 citizens and 800
organisations - including Greenpeace! - and had corrupted at least one police
officer in California, and God knows how many else elsewhere. 

Is that you're idea of educating the public about the evils of anti-Semitism?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <813528810snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>
           A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk "Alexander Baron" writes:

 
> Harry, I don't know who is feeding you your lies but he is being extremely
> wreckless. I don't even know who the fuck is the editor of the Spectator.
> To the best of my knowledge I have never even been mentioned by the
> Spectator.

Minor correction: the Spectator is edited by Dominic Lawson, who is Jewish.
Last year it was slagged off for publishing a supposedly anti-Semitic but
really simply asinine article about Hollywood by one William Cash.

The Spectator is written by and for upper class twits and chinless wonders 
and is not something I would read if it were free.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45mnuj$lv7@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:


> Symbolic or not, the suit is (was)  against the Commissioner of Police. 
> The police in Great Britain are decent and honorable.  The ill-bred
> characterization of my source of information does not speak well
> about Mr. Baron's upbringing. 

Just like the police in LA. Ask Rodney King. 
 

> Can Mr. Baron prove that:
> 
> a) He does not know the Editor of _Spectator?_

I have told you once Harry, don't persist with this nonsense or I'll make you
look foolish like I did over the Suzman and Diamond book. You are being informed
by liars.




-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:


Dan, I am amazed, simply amazed that you would attempt to defend the dross
of Kitty Hart. I am becoming more and more convinced that, like Pressac, you
are a Revisionist mole.

 
> # "On the outside of the low building a ladder had been placed 
> # which reached up to a small opening. A figure in SS uniform 
> # climbed up briskly. At the top he pulled on a gas mask and 
> # gloves. Holding the opening with one hand, he pulled a bag 
> # out of his pocket, and swiftly threw the contents, a 
> # white powder, inside, shutting the opening immediately...the most 
> # terrifying screams echoed through the air, the desperate cries of 
> # suffocating people".

One bag of white powder which she saw from fifty yards away, and it killed
hundreds of people. And of course she heard the screams too.
 

> # page 104   "it was the sight of the little babies thrown into the 
> # bonfires without the detour of the gas chamber that always made 
> # me feel sick."

She saw this for real, did she Dan?
 
> The "bonfires" obviously mean the burning ditches. Many testified
> about this. We also know (and Baron doesn't deny this) that the
> Nazis burned people alive elsewhere.

Naughty, naughty, trying it on again. Once again you are referring to an
SS atrocity at the end of the war, the sort of thing that happened at 
Lidice, only this time it was a camp. Kitty Hart is talking about alleged
systematic mass murder.


> # pages 105-6 "One afternoon while we were inside the sauna taking 
> # showers, there was a strong smell of gas. Was this perhaps our 
> # imagination?"
> # This was caused, apparently, by one of the doors of the gas 
> # chambers being opened too early.
> 
> Definitely possible. What doesn't Baron accept here? The gas chambers
> of Kremas IV and V did have ventilation problems (see Pressac's book).

Dan, how far was she from the "gas chamber"? Considering how deadly cyanide
is meant to be, would it really have been drifting all over the camp?
 
> # page 106: a woman in the crematorium recognised her own son, she 
> # ran to him, he was stacking wood. Outside?
> # page 107 "He handed her a towel and soap, and joined her inside 
> # the gas chamber. There were a thousand such incidents."
> 
> The "thousand such incidents" may be inaccurate; but it's a typical
> way in which people talk, like in "I told you a thousand times...".

Stop it Dan, please, stop it. Did she see this "incident"? Please, don't
humiliate yourself.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

 
> A rather accurate description of the gassings in Krema IV and
> V, where the gas was indeed thrown inside through small openings
> in the side walls (see "Nazi Mass Murder" and Pressac's book). Hart's
> description may be inaccurate on the color of the Zyklon-B, though.

Kremas I & II through the roof, III & IV through the side, according to
Mueller at the Auschwitz trial.

Don't forget either that the bucket did the lambada. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Players and spectators will recall that I mentioned the case of Dr Bendel
who testified at the Belsen trial that people were dispatched five at a time.
It was subsequently claimed by the "Jews can never lie brigade" that what he
meant was that they were placed in rows of five and shot one at a time. I've 
just found where I saw this first.

Staeglich - pages 98-9 mentions the case of a "buried manuscript" in which
it is alleged that Moll lined people up 4 at a time and dispatched them with
a single bullet.

Unfortunately, the source he gives is Adler, Langbein and Lingens-Reiner,
whose book was published only in German. This manuscript was said to have
been "found" in 1953, it was a notebook in Yiddish.

Staeglich documents this nonsense and stresses that it is clearly of communist
origin.

Please comment as follows:

Jamie McCarthy: More rhetoric Baron. What evidence is there that this is 
a forgery or that this magic bullet trick couldn't have happened?

Mike Stein/John Morris: This is obviously a case of the truth being embroidered.

David Cole: Change the subject and accuse Baron of lying about something else.

Harry Mazal: Wait for October 22 then accuse Baron of lying about something 
else.

Chorus: Baron is a Nazi.




-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45bmme$24v4@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

>The only reasons 
> why Holocaust revisionism in its present form deserves to be "banned" are 
> because of its thinly veiled racist and anti-Semitic underpinnings on the one 
> hand, and its deliberately misleading "research" on the other.  


According to the likes of Deborah Lipstadt, Holocaust Revisionism is 
anti-Semitic per se. In other words, by her criteria it all deserves to
be banned.

>I do not 
> advocate forceful banning of this inanity, unless it spills over into 
> violence

Ask Ernst - where's my house gone? - Zundel; David - bloody nose - Cole,
Greg - arson victim - Raven; Robert - acid in face - Faurisson, and plenty
of others, who initiates such violence.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45bmma$24v4@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> Does the fact that two newspapers might have been owned by Jews during WWII 
> imply something to you, Al?  Do you mean to say that they controlled the 
> editorial and news policies in some nefarious way?  Does this have anything 
> to do with the historical reality of the Holocaust?

You, or someone, made a snide remark about Al believing that the media was
controlled by Jews. I provided evidence from a Jewish author that most
of Hollywood was owned by Jews and the two most influential newspapers in
the States at the time. That is all.

While I do not subscribe to the belief that Jews - or a substantial number of
them - are involved in a conscious plot to subvert Western civilisation -
I think it equally absurd to postulate the belief that because so many
Jews work in or control the media that this in no way reflects Jewish
aspirations. Certainly the mass media is more susceptible to lobbying
by Zionist "aspirations", although after Sabra and Shatila even the most
gullible and compliant of media Jews have woken up to the true nature of 
Zionism, as I know from private conversations with Jewish journalists. Like
goyim, most of these people are too intimidated to go on the record.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45oopt$19g_011@com.mindspring.com>
           kerwin@mindspring.com "Kerwin L. Gray" writes:

 
> Being arrested qualifies you on proper police procedure.  Quite frankly, I 
> think it obvious, that you as the criminal had a somewhat different aggended 
> than the arresting officer.


Alleged criminal. I was once arrested on suspicion of being a member of the
IRA, believe it or not.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           lastinst@primenet.com "Last Instructor" writes:
 
> Such bullshit abounds.  OJ, simply slit, cut the necks of Nichole & Ron 
> Goldman,   Blood evidence proves the fact.
> The jury of niggers - remain, simply niggers.  They cannot give time to 
> examine simple evidence.  
> The problem remains:  Niggers!

Remember that next time you're arrested for murder. Even if Simpson did it
- and I'm not so dumb as to suggest that he didn't - the point remains: how
can any jury convict a man of a double murder when one of the most important
investigating officers can't look the jury in the eye and say "I did not plant
evidence in this case?"

As for the problem being "Niggers", that says more about you than it does
about the jury, three of whom were white.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45qcg6$2e8@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:


> You did not explicitly claim that Jews controlled the Fed, no.  I have 
> to ask, though, Al--if you didn't mean to imply just that, why did you
> post the lie about the Jewish-sounding banks owning the Fed?

This is not a lie; I took that information from THE MOST SECRET SCIENCE. If
it is incorrect then that is not my fault. I have seen nothing here to suggest
that it is incorrect in spite of all the dross about the member banks being
the owners. I made the point to emphasise the fact that these banks had Jewish
names but that they weren't Jewish. Anyone who has studied the history of 
banking, as I have to a limited degree, knows full well how many Jewish 
banks there were, about the Christian usurers: William Cade, the Medici, etc.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45p9it$l13@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@news.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:

 
> Let's ask anoher question, Frank.  Are you willing to believe (now
> that we've seen this long-hidden technical evidence) that such
> evidence might be hidden from our view for many years 

Or fabricated out of our view much more recently.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45p52b$195s@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

 
> As in another post in this thread, I have to ask whether the
> Palestinian who claimed to have seen a ritual murder had any other
> evidence to support his claim. Was his story corroborated or not?

This is a hypothetical Palestinian. What supporting evidence has Kitty Hart
that SS man Wagner found a baby that had survived a "gassing" and then
threw it into the oven? Answer: none. 

> 
> Again, you still don't get it. It is easy enough to just to say that
> this autobiography or that memoir is a lie, but you never seem to
> respond to any other sort of evidence.

Let's deal with one piece of evidence at a time. Do you concede that this
passage about SS man Wagner and the baby is a lie. Yes or no? Let's not 
say it is Hart's lie, let's say simply ther is not a shred of evidence
that this happened. Yes or no, John?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45p6h4$9tl@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:
 
> I'll agree that this particular SS man probably couldn't have been 
> convicted in a court of law based soley on this passage from Hart's 
> book. 

Probably? 

 That's not what you've been claiming, however; you've stated
> outright that Hart was lying, that you know she was lying, and that
> the rest of us defend her in spite of knowing she was lying. 

That is exactly what I am claiming. Kitty Hart is a fantasist; I've seen
her on TV. As I said, you people are so spineless you will never accuse 
any Jew of lying, even if believing her means violating the laws of physics

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45p0m1$1sm@guava.epix.net> pboyer@news.epix.net "Paul Boyer" writes:

> BTW, the source that anti-gay zealots usually use to justify their claims 
> of "feces-eating homosexuals" is one of "Dr." Paul Cameron's infamous 
> studies on the sexual practices of homosexuals, published in 
> _Psychological Reports_ (a notorious vanity journal for those whose 
> "studies" are so shoddily done and openly biased, that no reputable 
> peer-reviewed journal of psychology would EVER accept their "study").  In 
> the "study" in question, Cameron noted that some 29 percent of 
> the homosexuals queried had engaged in "oral-anal contact" since they had 
> become sexually active. 

Cecilia, this is well-documented from many sources. Try reading the personal
ads in a "gay" newspaper sometime. If you've got a strong stomach.

 
> : I'll chase down _The Orton Diaries_ down in the library too, but I would
> : appreciate a more complete reference.  And what's more important, who's
> : the publisher?  How do I know that this diary is genuine?  It could be
> : a homophobic forgery.

No. John Kingsley (Joe) Orton (1933-67) was a playwright. He was a notorious
homosexual. He was murdered by his "lover" Kenneth Halliwell who then committed
suicide. His diaries are shockingly authentic. Orton and Halliwell were once 
gaoled for defacing library books with queer porn. I feel kind of sorry for 
Halliwell because he was obviously a man who was tortured by his perversion,
but Orton wallowed in it. There is at least another biography of him, by some
sick fag.

> 
> Joe Orton, the filmmaker?  He's no more representative of ALL homosexuals 
> -- or even a minority of homosexuals -- than would be Mel Reynolds, Bob 
> Packwood or Teddy Kennedy of all heterosexuals.  'Nuff said.
> 
> 
> Paul
> ----------
> "Fill all of that emptiness with the blood I've shed
>  It's the spirit of life
>  Don't build your dreams on the treasures of man
>  They'll drag you away
>  It's a deadly lie"
>                 --Shadow Gallery, "Deeper Than Life"
> 
> 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <1995Oct14.152413@malins.mala.bc.ca> lambethl@mala.bc.ca  writes:


> Unless it's spelled differently in the U.S., "civiliZation" is spelled
> with a *Z*, Mr. Baron. I, for one, cannot find it spelled with an 's'
> in any of my 7 dictionaries.

That's because you're an American. We have long dropped z in words 
like recognize etc. You also spell cheque check, walk on the sidewalk
instead of the pavement, wear suspenders instead of braces, and talk 
crap instead of common sense.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45pr19$qj0@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:
  
>  The size of Mr. Baron's brain is proportional to the lawsuits that he has
> won after suing decent and upright men.  Can one have _no_ brain at 
> all and still post on this newsgroup? The question bears pondering!

Harry, the more nonsense you spout now the more humble pie you'll eat
later on.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45p5sd$195s@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
> 
> >Did the Nazis use wood for the crematoria?
> 
> Not that I recall. They did, however, use wood to boil water to remove
> the flesh from skeletons selected as medical specimens. That was one
> of the jobs of Miklos Nyiszli, a Polish physician assigned to the
> Sonderkommando in one of the Kremas. His memoir is titled simply
> "Auschwitz: A Doctor's Eyewitness Account."

Yes, another very important "eyewitness" who didn't give evidence at Nuremberg.
He also wrote letters from beyond the grave and reported gassings in Belsen.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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O.J. Simpson had very good lawyers. I should phone him and ask him if he could
recommend an equally good psychiatrist, because you need one if you believe 
crap like that.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45qck5$irt@nntp4.u.washington.edu>
           brunelle@u.washington.edu "Russell Brunelle" writes:

> Hi.  A while ago, I was watching the local news in Portland, and they had 
> some sensationalist report on a computer game that had come out of 
> Germany called "Concentration Camp Manager."  Apparently, it was a sort 
> of SimCity for would-be Gorings.
> 
> Well, I have to admit that, though I actually bear no ill will toward 
> Jews at all (some are my closest friends, in fact), I have become curious 
> in a morbid sort of way as to whether such games actually exist.


I don't think this game exists. A few years ago there was a report of a
computer game called "Intifada" in which the object was to shoot as many
Palestinians as possible without getting stoned, or something like that.
I don't think that existed either. Check out the "Urban Legend" books by
Brunvand.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In message <9510151133.AA15409@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jimc90049@aol.com writes:
> 
> > If people are going to post questions in the group, please don't E-mail 
> > me as well. Thanks.
> 
> Gee, after I publicly laughed at you and called you a cheap dissimulator
> and a liar for your ridiculous treatment of Al Capone, you sent me an
> e-mail message saying "Fuck off, you wanker."  

You sent it to me in an E-mail. It was perhaps a bit strong so you may take
this as a partial apology. It was your fault though for libelling Al Capone.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon




-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:


> Let's get to specifics, Al-baby:  what report did you see, and what did it 
> allege, and what is the truth of the matter?  

This has been well documented by the US mainstream media as well as by anti-
Zionists (including Jews). There was a good article in "Palestine Solidarity"
a while back.

>presumably, the same lawyers who you used when 
> you got whipped around the courthouse in your last lawsuit?

If you repeat the lies that have been peddled to Harry Mazal and peddled by
him without ascertaining the true facts - from me, the one person who is
in a position to give them - you will look every bit as venal as Harry
on October 22 when I shove the truth down your stupid throat.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <45rvah$p4u@pipe4.nyc.pipeline.com>
           donald05@nyc.pipeline.com "Donald Moffitt" writes:

>The revisionazi tactic of picking at
> a seemingly weak or less-well-documented thread in an historical event that
> constitutes an interwoven cable of hundreds of thousands or even millions
> of threads can at best succeed in breaking only one of them. If Kitty Hart
> had never existed, the history of the Holocaust wouldn't be perceptibly
> revised. 

The point you miss is that ALL survivor testimony is like this: it's all about
wicked Nazis throwing babies into ovens or shooting people through the neck
five at a time. When it isn't, it paints an entirely different picture. You 
can find that with Hart's book. It was said of Freud that what is new in Freud
has no merit and what is of merit is not new. With survivor testimony, what
relates to "gassings" has no merit, what has merit does not relate to gassings.

If you read between the lines of Kitty Hart's book you find a story which has
some merit, but it is simply that of a young girl who, like millions of others,
had a hard time during the war, including losing her loved ones.

--
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45s7p5$bd7@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


>    First, hearsay certainly is evidence.  There are many exceptions (the book

Hearsay is not evidence in a British criminal court, and for very good reasons.
It would mean that you - as a defendant in a murder trial say - could start any
absurd rumour or get your friends to - and if there were enough rumours and 
hearsay the jury would have to acquit you. Rumours, hearsay and nonsense are 
not evidence, if they were you would have to conclude that JFK was murdered
by the FBI, the CIA, the KGB, the Mafia, Lyndon Johnson and God knows who else.
That's where the hearsay and scurrilous gossip points. The evidence points to
Lee Harvey Oswald.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45rr5j$18d6@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> Thanks, Al.  But when was the last time you called a *right-winger* a f*****g 
> fascist?  Or a stupid Nazi?

Last week.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45rr5s$18d6@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> Are you then seriously saying that Jews are more prone to inveterate lying 
> than other "races"?  Seriously?

What I have said is that different ethnic groups have different patterns of
social (and anti-social) behaviour. It is not "racist" propaganda to believe
that blacks are more prone to mugging, it is a simple fact. It is not "racist"
propaganda to believe that serial sex killers are overwhelmingly white, Gentile
and above average intelligent males, it is simply a fact. By the same logic
it is no more anti-Semitic to make such a claim about Jews as it is to claim
that they have more than their fair share of Nobel Prize winners or talented
song writers.

There is also the fact that Jewish political organisations can and do smear
as anti-Semitic anyone who catches them at it, and this has enabled them to
get away with it more than others. In the words of Rabbi Dr Elmer Berger,
Zionism has used one of the best propaganda machines known to man.

The anti-Semitic fallacy is to tar all Jews with the same brush, something I
have never done.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45rr61$18d6@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> I don't know, Donald.  I think Harry's got him by the short hairs (hey, what 
> a pun!).  Harry knows what's going on--he must be clairvoyant--and Al *knows* 
> that Harry knows.  Methinks that on, or shortly after October 22, Harry's 
> going to have all the poop on Al, and the fur will fly.  I also think Al may 
> just fly.  He hasn't denied his imminent flight, so I must be right.  

Harry will look stupid. If you want to look stupid too, endorse him now.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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           donald05@nyc.pipeline.com "Donald Moffitt" writes:

>  I wouldn't want
> Mr. Mazal probing into *my* closets, not by a long shot!  Just a word to
> the wise if you're lurking, Al!  :>) 

The only closet Mr Mazal has been probing in is a water closet, which is why
he's talking s***

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45sqlu$72e@hp5.online.apple.com>
           fritzrobin@eworld.com "Fritz Robin" writes:

> As a point of information,  Dawidowicz' book, 'The War against the Jews'
> was published first in 1975 by Holt Reinhardt and Winston.  Cheap editions
> are available in Bantam paperback.  As a moderate (non-bigoted)
> revisionist, I strongly recommend the work, and Dawidowicz' essay in
> 'Commentary' in 1981.  The latter in particular, with some 5 factual
> errors in the first page did much to convince me of the possibility, if
> not the plausibility, of the revisionist case even before reading much of
> the holocaust revisionist thesis.

Her Commentary article is a lie-ridden polemic. Professor Butz recommends
her book; he says it is impossible to reconcile the portrait she paints 
of Jewish life in Poland under the Nazi persecution with the extermination
programme.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           staff@rabbit.augs.se "Staffan Friberg" writes:

 
> Now, the virus is called HIV, and it is most certainly a virus. If you are
> going to dispute that you have a great deal of explanation to do.

A lot of people believe HIV is innocent, a harmless passenger virus. Including
one guy who injected himself with it at the launch of his book to prove the
point!

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45rt5t$jkr@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@news.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:

> When did you ever make Mr. Mazal look foolish?  I do remember Mr. Mazal
> exposing certain absurd ideas of Dounting (sorry, Doubting) Thomas
> and David Cole.  I even remember how he told us about your rather
> embarassing attempts to sue others.  What I distinctly do not rmeembner
> is any way that you have made him look silly.

Mr Mazal accused me of or insinuated that I had sent him forged documents.
He refused to believe that there was a 2nd edition of the book. Then when I
pointed out that the book was full of lies, including a photograph of alleged
"gassed" victims, he changed the subject. Even Mike Stein backed me up to a
degree, but then I would never tar Mike Stein with the same brush as Harry
frightened old man Jews can do no wrong Mazal.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45sj0i$2j5@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> 
> (Text containing falsehoods deleted)
> 
> >  Minor correction: the Spectator is edited by Dominic Lawson, who is Jewish.
> >  Last year it was slagged off for publishing a supposedly anti-Semitic but
> >  really simply asinine article about Hollywood by one William Cash.
> 
> Very good.  One day ago Mr. Baron denied knowing who the publisher of
> _Spectator_ was. Today he makes a  'minor correction' and identifies him.
> Mr. Baron will no doubt deny that he has sued Mr. Lawson.


Harry, I do not KNOW the editor of the Spectator, and although I once submitted
an article to the magazine c1990, I am sure he has never heard of me. If you
want proof, why not phone him? Or send him a fax? Then when he confirms my
story you can apologise. Or change the subject like you always do.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45tspu$g4g@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:
 
> It's your responsibility to make certain the sources you use are 
> credible.  This one is not.

Tell that to the defenders of Kitty Hart.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> You mean, if "THE MOST SECRET SCIENCE" _was_ nothing but a pile of
> horseshit and lies

No it does not; this book contains extensive documentation on the fight 
against the Fed. One of the people involved in this fight is named Cohen.

> > I made the point to emphasise the fact that these banks had Jewish names but 
> > that they weren't Jewish. 
> 
> You _emphasized_ the fact? More like mentioned in passing you mean.

If you'd read what I said you would not have said that, but you're obviously
not interested in what I said.

> You
> seemed to go to great lengths to twist things around so as to _imply_ that
> "Organized Jewry" appeared to own the Federal Reserve

I have NEVER said any such thing.

> And what does this (and your origional post) actually have to do with the
> Federal Reserve? Which is _not_ owned by "Organized Jewry?" 

Again, I never said any such thing, look up any of my published works: my 
pamphlet on Arnold Leese is particularly good in this respect; this, incidentally,
was praised by a distinguished Libertarian journal as a devastating attack
on National Socialism.

People like you are very quick in making bizarre allegations against me, but 
when it comes to proving them in a court of law it's a different ballgame.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <45srut$3gd@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

 
> Oops! Bludgeoned by the oppressive heat and eighteen holes of very bad
> golf, I posted the name _Spectator_  instead of _Searchlight. My apologies
> for the confusion.   My  note should read:

The biggest hole is in your head, Harry.
If I were as big an arsehole as you I would make a great deal more of
this claim re the Spectator. Like your claim that I lied about knowing  
who the editor of the Spectator is.
 

>This last suit will, in my personal opinion, be 
> thrown out of court for the British equivalent of a frivolous lawsuit.

You are entitled to your personal opinion; it's a good thing I'm not a gambling
man or I'd take you to the cleaners on it.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45t9qq$ji6@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:


> Instead politely informing Ms. Lambeth of the difference between
> British and North American usage, you resort to unprovoked insult
> instead. Why?

Because she's obviously as stupid as you are. People who try to score cheap
points should make sure they get their facts straight.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45ume9$mia@news2.isp.net> swan@slip.net "swan" writes:

> Frankly, having been MARRIED to someone in the LAPD, I KNOW the things 
> they were up against. 

Roddy King was beaten 56 times in 81 seconds, mostly over the head. No one,
I repeat, no one, can justify that.

HOWEVER... Under Bill Gates, the Department 
> acquired and intensified a "bunker mentality" that boggles the rational 
> mind! Gates was a psychotic, plain and simple. 

I don't like Windows 95 either.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45t8ll$ji6@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> Oh, great. Now you're making up stories to test our credulity with.

Anyone who believes Kitty Hart's dross has already had his credulity tested
to the limit.

> Red herring. Your original claim was that Hart said she saw this
> incident. Now that you have posted a more complete passage on the
> incident it is clear that she is repeating a story she heard. Given
> the daily horror of Auschwitz, which you deny anyway by a reflex
> action, the incident is all too believable.

Again, Hart's book is an "autobiography". It may read to you as though 
she is repeating hearsay but I have seen her on TV make a claim that is
nearly as bad, and I have no doubt that she believes she saw this incident.
Either way you lose: if this is "hearsay" then it is not evidence.

> Hart's supporting evidence is the context of her life at Auschwitz.
> Why should she not have believed such a story? Why shouldn't we?

If you read about her life at Auschwitz she talks about organising concerts
for one thing; Vrba carried out a love affair in the camp. Much more. There is
nothing to support such nonsense as this. 

> That's rich coming from you. Again, and yet again, you still don't get
> it. Not "yes" or "no." Hart's story of the baby has to be assessed in
> the light of everything we know about Auschwitz.

Look, according to you it is hearsay; it has no more validity than the claim
that JFK murdered Marilyn Monroe. Far less if like me you don't believe a 
baby could have survived a "gassing" sucking at its mother's breast. Don't forget
we are told that hundreds of people were crammed into these chambers. 
 
-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           karlpov@access2.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

 
> BTW, can you demonstrate so much as one (1) wrongful death for which
> Stalin was responsible given the standards of evidence you tender for
> the acts of Hitler and his cronies? How do we know those Polish officers
> in the Katyn Forest didn't all commit suicide or emigrate to Cleveland?

If you want to make out a case for either of the above, go ahead.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45tmsq$pim@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:


> Now--how, exactly, does the incident related by Hart violate the laws
> of physics?

Sucking a nipple does not give one immunity from cyanide poisoning.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45t6i5$ji6@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Oh dear, here we go again. You must be reading a book by a different
> Miklos Nyiszli because I can only find one reference to Belsen in the
> whole book. Nyiszli's wife and daughter were transferred from
> Auschwitz to Belsen near the end of 1944. Perhaps I missed the other
> reference, and you will, no doubt, set me straight by providing a page
> or chapter number. Nyiszli himself was never at Belsen.

1980 Grenada reprint, last page: "They had just been freed from Bergen-Belsen,
one of the most notorious extermination camps." No reference to gassing but 
Belsen wasn't an extermination camp, as stated here.
 
> What was the favorite item in the Baron arsenal last month? Ah, yes:
> sure he did.

Check out Pressac, it's his claim, not mine.

Incidentally, Nyiszli, or whoever wrote his book, claims also that a 15 year
old girl survived a gassing but was despatched with a bullet in the back
of the neck. The implication is that she was killed (gassed) because of her
age. Which is rather ironic because she was about the same age, perhaps a 
little older, than Kitty Hart.

Granted that the doctor did exist, why wasn't this most important eyewitness
to genocide called at Nuremberg? Or any other trial? I can think of two reasons:
1) he wasn't really at Auschwitz; 2) he led a rather prosaic life in the camp
working his balls off tending the sick.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Subject: Re: Fake documents, Dr Bendel and the laws of physics
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In article <45tam4$ji6@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> Sorry. I don't plan to get sucked into another "hypothetical"
> discussion of mystery manuscripts, and "Staeglich says" until I know
> what it is you are talking about.

You keep accusing me of lying but never back it up.
 
> Given your track record of glaring misrepresentations, I choose not to
> play until you provide a lot more information about this "buried
> manuscript."

It's in a book by Adler, Langbein and Lingens-Reiner but I can't read 
German. Every quote by Staeglich I have ever checked has been published by
him in good faith.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           rem5@sawdust.cvfn.org "Robert McElwaine" writes:

>           
>           
>                            UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
> 
>                I watched all of Dr. Carl Sagan's updated "Cosmos" 
>           programs on PBS during summer 1991.  In one of them, he STILL 
>           maintains that there is no physical evidence for UFO 
>           Spacecraft, "just stories". 
>     
>                I should think that by now he would have heard about the 
>           Roswell Incident in which UFO WRECKAGE and ALIEN BODIES were 
>           found on a ranch in New Mexico, gathered up by the U.S. 
>           military, and hidden away in an Air Force hanger somewhere.  
>           The wreckage included materials NOT KNOWN on Earth, and some 


While it is undoubtedly true that the military lied about Roswell, they
weren't the only ones. There has recently been an in-depth article in the
Skeptical Inquirer which proves once again that the only "mystery" of UFOs
is in people's heads. In particular, yours.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45t9gp$ji6@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> By what strange mechanism do you know that Joe Orton was giving us the
> unvarnished truth and Kitty Hart was not? How does your method of
> assessing Orton's diary differ from your method of assessing Hart's
> memoir?

Orton's diaries were published posthumously. Whether or not they were intended
for publication remains to be seen. Orton's disgusting sexual habits are de
rigueur homo filth and too well documented to need documenting here. If you want
proof you can do some in situ research, but you'll need a strong stomach.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45uocn$2st0@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
>The issue is 
> whether the ADL has a disproportionate influence on the media.


That's an issue?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <45vdb3$fl1@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:
 
> ..The gas chamber was located in the center of a large room in the crematory 
> building. 
>  (etc.)" 
> 
> This is a public document that Mr. Baron can obtain and read at his leisure.

And like the Mueller document they are made up out of the whole cloth. The 
official Exterminationist line is now that no one was gassed at Dachau (although
I'm not sure if this includes medical experiments, some of which were pretty
gruesome). The "gas chamber" was delaye for 3 years.

The authors of the
>  book 
> "Six Million Did Die" should, perhaps, have investigated the assertion by 
> Senator Barkley. Failure to do so does not make them liars. A lie is a 
> statement
> made with the purpose of deceiving.

Do I detect the whisper of a retraction? Does their failure to check count 
as every bit as serious as my being conned by the Lachout document?`

Does Mr Mazal now retract the insinuation that I sent him forged documents?


> Finally, nobody, Jews included, are exempt from doing wrong. Jews are,
> although Mr. Baron perhaps difers, people just like anyone else.

Harry, every time I say that I am smeared as an anti-Semite. Don't make common
cause with me or you too will become an unperson. Don't you realise that in
the eyes of Organised Jewry (the Jewish Establishment if you prefer) Jews
can do NO wrong?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 20 10:39:48 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.fan.oj-simpson
Subject: Re: The NIGGER walks!
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In article 
           kckluge@krusty.eecs.umich.edu "Karl Kluge" writes:


> You can't selectively take the Fifth. Fuhrman couldn't refuse to testify
> regarding his use of the N-word, but answer questions about planting (or not)
> evidence.

Really? Then why did he answer three questions with "I exercise my 5th amendment
right" etc that I saw?

Incidentally, a Rastafarian friend of mine - well, an assimilated Rastafarian -
says he believes Simpson was guilty as f***. Shortly after the verdict was
announced I saw a Nigerian arguing that he should have been convicted with an
Asian who thought the verdict fair, so I don't think there is such a racial
divide. Most people I know think Simpson walked because he was rich.

I still maintain there is no way you can convict a man on the "evidence" of 
the likes of Mark Furman.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.satanism
Subject: Re: "Shoah" Business
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
 > ...But always they fall back on "Shoah business" -- on the idea that, 
> > somebody, somewhere, is using the imagery of theHolocaust to promote their 
> > personal agenda. 

It's just a pun, for God sake, and a very good one.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article <45v33l$5hd@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>
           cfree@ix.netcom.com "Charles Freedberg " writes:


>                         Unless of course they happen to have testified,
> about their personal experiences, at a war crimes trial for Nazi
> atrocities.  Those Jews all happen to be either liars, or crazy.

I don't recall Kitty Hart testifying; Ella Lingens-Reiner was a Gentile.
There are quite a few books written by Gentile survivors, and they are
no better than the books written by Jews.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 20 10:39:50 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Mr. Baron, please send me courtesy email
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In article <460jpt$cef@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:
> 
> >If anyone knows a toxicologist I could speak to about gas poisoning
> >and infants, I'd appreciate hearing about it.  Thanks.
> >Posted, and not emailed to Mr. Baron per his request.

They may well be, Cecelia, but that won't do them any good if they're "gassed"
with cyanide.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More of Baron's Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> I see no reason to doubt what Kitty Hart wrote. 

Kitty Hart's book is ghost-written. 

>Unlike various
> "leading revisionists", 
>she didn't claim that the Nazis built
> "UFO's", and flew them to a "secret base" in the South-Pole.

ONE leading Revisionist who is as much a publicist and practical joker
as anything else. Zundel also ran for President. You've gotta admire the
guy's chutzpah if nothing else.


> She seems to indeed be in error on the color of the Zyklon. However,
> the gas is extremely poisonous and, as every toxicologist will 
> tell you, a rather small amount (a few pounds) will indeed kill
> hundreds of people locked in a closed chamber. Scientific fact.
> 0.1 gram will kill an adult man. It's a scientific fact. 

So one bag that could fit in a man's pocket was shoved in the top of this 
gas chamber? How long would it take to fill the entire room and gas hundreds
of people? Wouldn't bodies falling on the crystals have stopped it
 spreading? Don't forget, it was in solid form, Dan.
 
> # Naughty, naughty, trying it on again. Once again you are referring 
> # to an SS atrocity at the end of the war, the sort of thing that 
> # happened at Lidice, only this time it was a camp. Kitty Hart is 
> # talking about alleged systematic mass murder.
>
I gave Lidice as an example of an atrocity; I was thinking more of Abzug's
book which documents an SS arson atrocity at the end of the war, and which
you tried to pass off as a regular part of the alleged genocide programme.
  

> Are you really 
> so incredibly stupid that you cannot understand this? 

The question is not were they capable - we all are - but did they?


> Does she say she saw it? She obviously quotes testimonies of other
> people in the book, and she doesn't hide the fact she does. Nothing
> wrong here. A GI, writing about his experience of WW2, may have
> written "we were supposed to invade Japan, but then the A-bomb
> ended the war and we went home". 

And I can write about Shakespeare or Julius Caesar, but if I give evidence
in a courtroom that Mr X murdered Mr Y because Mr Z told me so that is hearsay
and is not evidence.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45v69g$j2t@news.mr.net> dave@csoft.com "Dave Weigel" writes:

 
> At best, three.  Two mentioned "diapers" and one looks for "anybody looking
> to have their butt worked on".  Three out of two hundred and forty six
> isn't really what you had in mind for evidence, was it, Mr. Baron?

They use code words a lot of the time, you know, like Sonderbehandlung.

Things like water sports, "cleaner required", that sort of thing. Hackney
and Lewisham Libraries actually stock this sort of filth as freesheets. Any
12 year old can walk in and pick one up. As J.B. Stoner said: Thank God for 
AIDS.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45u5o2$5tf@nimitz.fibr.net> pgroff@txdirect.net "pgroff" writes:

 
> Bullshit Al, there was indeed a game such as described, and another
> called KZ.

All I can say is that like snuff films I've heard a lot about it but never seen
one. Have you seen it?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4617h7$e7d@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:
    It seems, Lyin' Al that you have already been to court.  And lost.  Based
>  upoin 
> you posts here it would be no problem at all to prove to a court that you are:
> 
>     1.  an anti-Semite;
> 
>      2.  a liar;
> 
>      3.  an incompetent historical researcher.

Innuendo is not evidence.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust - Cecelia
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In article <460pim$r0d@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@news.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:

> Does the behavior of the
> ADL have anything to do with his own tendency to drag decent anfd
> honorable men (to use Harry Mazal's phrase) into court on
> frivolous charges?

Thank you for your condemnation of the ADL and all dirty tricks. Re Harry's
posting, I can only reiterate Josh, he is arguing from ignorance having been
misinformed by people who can't get their facts straight even when they are
not lying consciously. Until you know the full facts - which I will give you
and which you can check out for yourself - hold your peace or you will look
stupid as well.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust - Cecelia
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:


> So, you're claiming you weren't humiliated in your last lawsuit?  How so?  You 
> don't have to wait until October 22 to discuss a lawsuit you've already 
> humiliating lost, have you?  

If you're so smart answer the following questions:

How may lawsuits have I issued since 1993?
In what courts?
Against whom?
What torts were involved?
How many of them have been settled and on what terms?
How much money have I paid other people and how much have they paid me?
Who has issued apologies and to whom?
What was I arrested for in May 1993?
What was I accused of?
What was the final result of those allegations?

If you can't answer all of the above, button your lip.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
 
> And this _one_ person named Cohen is Jewish? Or do you presume he is Jewish? 

Do you presume this person is a he?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> 
> 
> Al, was there a particular reason you posted this racist diatribe? Does it
> reflect your views? Your fantasies? What exactly? And who is "Salty?" 


I think this guy thinks I'm black because I said I wouldn't have convicted
Simpson on the word of Mark Furman either. I also got an E-mail from a black
nutter who called me a white devil.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <462dd3$cge@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:
> 
> >Why did Brack refer to the morgue in Krema II as a "gassing cellar?"
> 
> Oops. It was Bischoff not Brack.
> 
> Please respond to the complete post.

What the hell is this? Perhaps you'd better post the complete post with
a resume.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45ume9$mia@news2.isp.net> swan@slip.net "swan" writes:

> Frankly, having been MARRIED to someone in the LAPD, I KNOW the things 
> they were up against. 

Roddy King was beaten 56 times in 81 seconds, mostly over the head. No one,
I repeat, no one, can justify that.

HOWEVER... Under Bill Gates, the Department 
> acquired and intensified a "bunker mentality" that boggles the rational 
> mind! Gates was a psychotic, plain and simple. 

I don't like Windows 95 either.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <45ume9$mia@news2.isp.net> swan@slip.net "swan" writes:

> Frankly, having been MARRIED to someone in the LAPD, I KNOW the things 
> they were up against. 

Roddy King was beaten 56 times in 81 seconds, mostly over the head. No one,
I repeat, no one, can justify that.

HOWEVER... Under Bill Gates, the Department 
> acquired and intensified a "bunker mentality" that boggles the rational 
> mind! Gates was a psychotic, plain and simple. 

I don't like Windows 95 either.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 22 11:51:29 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

 
> The fallacy of this argument is that there were many independant witnesses
> to, not to mention extensive documentation by the Nazis themselves
> corroborating, the gassings. Such cannot be said about allegded abductions
> by aliens. Once ogain, it seems, Al only sees what he wishes to see. 

Wrong! There were half a dozen witnesses to Adamski, half a dozen to the
Travis Walton incident, two to Barney and Betty Hill. On a slightly different
subject, Joseph Smith, founder of the Church of Mormon had 12 witnesses, and 
70,000 people saw the Sun dance at Fatima. Rubbish is still rubbish however
many people claim it is gospel.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Baron (Re: The Exterminationist Guidebook)
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In article <465pp5$suo@mn5.swip.net>
           stephane.bruchfeld@mailbox.swipnet.se "Stephane Bruchfeld" writes:


> I submit the following as evidence of mass murder of Jews in the
> autumn of 1941. They furthermore indicate the change to a coded
> language. I will be interested to hear Mr. Baron's point of view.
> 
> 
>         Local command post at Melitopol 13 October 1941: "All Jews
>         (2 000) executed by the SD [Sicherheitsdienst = Security
>         Service, originally a Nazi party outfit, later amalgamated with
>         the state security police, and run by Heydrich]."
> 
>         Local command post at Mariupol 29 October 1941: "8 000 Jews were
>         executed by the SD."

Where is the proof? This is just a figure. The Jewish Chronicle for
November 21, 1941, page 1 ran a story THE MASSACRE OF 25,000...

25,000 Jews were reported machine gunned to death the previous month. 
A report from Jerusalem said 7,800 Jews from somewhere called Jassy killed. These
are simply figures somebody sent over a wire.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <463koc$dvv@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

 
>     Besides you, I mean.  Really, it seems to me you're the only one here
> claiming that Kitty Hart is evidence of anything. 

Let me get this straight, Mike: according to you, Kitty Hart's book is not
evidence of anything. Is that what you're saying?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  t08o@unb.ca "MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY" writes:
 
> Since you bring up that esteemed magazine, why not check out what they
> have to say about Holocaust revisionism?  Or is that another source that
> is only right as long as it agrees with you?

Wrong question: I've had some correspondence with Paul Kurtz about this; he
was at Dachau. I won't go into the reasons he gave me for not touching it. He 
has read my book, by the way.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: An Interesting Admission From a Former 'Revisionist'
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> A few days ago, in Message-ID: <45r4ji$8qj@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
> "Aryan Crusader" (Reuben Logsdon) made an interesting admission;
> that he published and supported Holocaust denial, although he
> knew very well the Holocaust did happen.

This man is interested in ideology rather than truth; there are plenty
of people on your side of the fence who exploit the Holocaust - whatever it
was - for the basest of motives.

  
> Unlike the other "revisionists" here - the cowardly liars who
> continue posting their drivel, although they know very well it's
> composed of nothing but lies.

These cowards who are hounded out of their universities, have acid thrown
in their faces, are beaten up and thrown into gaol yet won't give into pressure.
Some cowards.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           hkatz@usa.net "Harry Katz" writes:

 
> So glad Mr. Baron and friends can have a good laugh at the expense of the
> dead and their grieving relatives, not to mention that the hypocrite is
> trying as hard as he can to peddle his Holocaust musings for a living.

As I said Harry, I believe this was coined by Jacobo Timmerman; I know there
are many Jews who are cynical about the way the Holocaust - whatever it was -
is exploited. My friends in the Neturei Karta aren't too happy about the 
opera which was made a while ago.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <4651mv$abm@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

 
> The "official line," Mr. Baron? As much as you might wish for it, the
> "Jewish Establishment" does not control Holocaust historiography.

I was under the impression that Yad Vashem was THE official Holocaust
archive and that its pronouncements, and those of Yehuda Bauer, are gospel,
or as near gospel as you can get, in much the same way that the White House
press office is the official spokesbody for the US government. I do not mean
that in a facetious sense but a literal one.

>    "But," he said, stamping his little shoe down hard, "I not 
>     an antisemite, you stupid Yid!"

I don't recall ever calling anyone a stupid yid in my life, and in any case,
Yid is simply the Yiddish word for Jew, so I don't really see anything
defamatory about it. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <467fl8$vqq@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
> 
> Does the Langenscheidt Standard German Dictionary qualify as "any
> German dictionary." Mine says that "Vergaser" means "carburetor" when
> used in reference to an automobile. "Vergasung," on the other hand,
> means, again strictly in reference to an automobile, "carburetion,"
> but otherwise means "gassing." "Vergasen" can mean "to carburet," but
> specifically in reference to death means poisoning ("vergiften") or
> "to gas."
> 
> I note also Stephane Bruchfeld's post on native German-speaker Martin
> Broszat and his use of "Vergasung" to mean "gassing."

I'm not following this thread, John, but I would like to point out that what
you are doing is wrong. You are debating with a "denier", and there is "no
debate" over the "facts" of the Holocaust. Deborah will not be amused.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: More authentic testimony - a duet between Baron and McCarthy
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Al: Jamie, I've found a book about Auschwitz that's even more 
unbelievable than Kitty Hart's.

Jamie: What's that, Al?

Al: $AUSCHWITZ$, by Otto Kurst, published by Brown, Watson, London, 
(1959). This is a cheap paperback which is said to be "A gruelling story 
of Germany's worst Hell-camp!" The hero of this piece of trash is 
Fedor Schellenberg

Jamie: How do you know it's trash, Al?

Al: page 7 "The villagers mixed with the camp guards, ate with them, 
drank with them, slept with them. As wagons filled with Jews on 
the way to the ovens, rolled past, children called out in jeering 
tones: 
'Yah! Yah! Dirty old Jews! Off to the ovens - and good riddance!"

Jamie: I don't see anything so unbelievable about that.

Harry Mazal: Neither do I. Baron is a Nazi, wait until October 22.

Al: Be serious, Jamie. Are you asking me, or anyone, to believe that?

Deborah Lipstadt: Don't debate him. There is no disputing the "facts" of
the Holocaust.

Al: Okay Jamie, how about this:
page 8 "Men like Hoess killed ten thousand human beings per day 
and thought nothing of it...If a Hoess succeeded in killing more 
men than his rivals in other extermination areas, he would ring 
up Himmler and report that fact, proudly, jubilantly and in the 
expectation of praise from his master."

Jamie: But it's true, Al. Hoess confessed.

Al: Yeah, but come on, Jamie.

Jamie: I see no evidence here of forgery. All you have is rhetoric, Baron.

Gord McFee: What about the Mueller document?

Al: Okay, try this:
page 145 "From the bath-house, a long passage, with walls of high 
barbed-wire, led to the gas-chamber. On either side of these 
wall, stood guards armed with long whips - which they used 
against the naked prisoners who were shuffling slowly towards 
their death."

How can anyone take this nonsense seriously?

Jamie: Again, all you have is rhetoric. You can't prove this has been
fabricated.

Dan Keren: Of course he can't, anyway, Al Jews-are-dumb Baron is wrong,
because I've got a PhD in computer sciences, and I believe this.

Chorus: Baron is a Nazi.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Murder Of White Child In LA NOT A Hate Crime???!!!
To: IVLN@aol.com, salty@gate.net
Cc: xyz@scsn.net, marlo@scsn.net, 
    rlogsdon <@cris.com:rlogsdon@mail.utexas.educhrident>, ehsewa@tiac.net, 
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It doesn't matter where you live nigger, we are going to get
each and every one of you black bastards, no matter where you
hide.  You better start swimming to Africa!  Sure is nice of
you guys to get a million niggers together in one place, save
on us having to look under every rock to find you when the
coon hunt begins.

                              Salty  



-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <469mlc$2h2a@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> :>The story violates the laws of physics because sucking a nipple doesn't make
> :>anyone immune to the effects of cyanide. According to the Exterminationists in> :>this newsgroup it is hearsay anyway so it is not evidence.
> 
> In any event, Al, it is quite unimportant in the overall debate on the 
> Holocaust, wouldn't you say?

No, I wouldn't, because all the testimony is like this. Where it isn't it is 
simply about the sort of things one would expect in concentration camps. Not
particularly pleasant but not evidence of anything other than ordinary 
sorts of brutalities.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <4693ee$t5f@eco.twg.com> chall@eco.twg.com "Charles Don Hall" writes:

 
> I think I see where you're confused.
> 
> The piece of text in question is divided into two parts. One is a
> statement of fact ("I was told that an infant survived a gassing
> and was thrown into an oven").

This is not a statement of fact, it is, at best, hearsay, at worst, something
dreamed up by either Hart or her ghost-writer to beef up the story.
 

> I'll certainly admit that the second part seems awfully dubious,
> and I wouldn't complain if you accused Ms. Hart of being 
> ignorant of basic human biology. 
> 
> But this doesn't invalidate the first part. 

The point is there is no evidence for the first part; Hart's claim about the
the SS man and the baby has no more validity than the claims of conspiracy
theorists that JFK killed Marilyn Monroe or whatever rubbish these cranks 
peddle.
 
 
> The person "on trial" is Ms. Hart herself. You've accused her
> of lying. In order to prove your charge, you have to present
> some evidence that she made the story up out of whole cloth.
> If you're not able to do this, then IMHO you owe Ms. Hart
> an apology.
> 
> By the way, why are you so hostile towards Ms. Hart? What 
> did she ever do to you?

I've seen Mrs Hart on TV and she is not a credible witness. If you'd seen
her you'd realise that too. The lies grow with every retelling.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <4695i9$3j@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


> If no vaccine was available as late as 1980; Klein could not have been
>  "immunizing" 
> people in the 1940's.  Or is this just another example of Lyin' Al's inability
>  to correctly 
> report what another person has written?

This was the phrase Lengyel uses. I believe some people were "immunised" or 
whatever against typhus. In his book MEDICAL BLOCK BUCHENWALD, Walter Poller 
mentions the same thing. He was released in 1940. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: More of Baron's Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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In article <468t6m$9os@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

 
> Kitty Hart's book is anecdotal.  The reality of the Holocaust does not
> depend on the veracity of Kitty Hart.  Nevertheless, you've said nothing
> to cast doubt on that veracity.

Kitty Hart's book is written as an autobiography, and for the record I believe
a lot of what she says has some validity, like concerts in the sauna, etc. But
when she claims to witness (or if you prefer) to relate, stories of murders etc,
she is clearly fantasising. The 1974 edition of her book was endorsed by a
former Colditz inmate. People who palm this sort of dross off on the public
are guilty of perpetuating fraud.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:


> > The Skeptical Inquirer has never run a piece on holocaust revisionism.

The Spring 1994 issue contained a glowing review of Lipstadt's polemic
DENYING THE HOLOCAUST. I consider the refusal of CSICOP to touch this
subject except in the usual stereotype terms of Nazis v Jews as an act of 
moral cowardice.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:


> I'm gonna live to regret this I can tell already...  OK, Al, why dont you
> explain all about Adamski, and the Travis Walton incident? And especially
> about the Hills too. Don't forget to cite sources (preferably _clinical_
> and _official_ sources and not some crackpot's.) BTW,  As I recall, there
> were no witnesses to the Hills' "abduction." In fact, they didn't even
> know about it until _years_ later after they had undergone therapy. Has
> their story changed? 

These are very well documented. Adamski took a group of people into the 
desert, or said he did. The Hills were their own witnesses, ie there were two
of them. The Walton case is too well known to require documenting. It was 
awarded a prize for the most connvincing case of the year. There were half a
dozen witnesses; Philip Klass dissects it in his books UFOs:: The Public
Deceived and UFO Abductions: A Dangerous Game.

> > On a slightly different subject...
> 
> How about a _very_ different subject! 
> 
> >...Joseph Smith, founder of the Church of Mormon had 12 witnesses... 
> 
> So, Mormans are really Alien abductors in disguise? 

The point I was trying to make with the above two examples is that there are
many instances where witnesses have either lied en masse and/or been duped.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 22 11:51:41 PDT 1995
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In article  t08o@unb.ca "MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY" writes:

> In article <98942614wnr@stumpy.demon.co.uk> Jeff 
>  writes:
> >From: Jeff 
> >Subject: Off line
> >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:24:31 GMT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Due for work reasons, and the repair of my disk, I shall be off-line for a 
> >month or so. 
> 
> 
> 
> Now *there's* a surprise.  Are you too busy installing carburators in your 
> basement and a heating system in your refrigerator?

He can't answer you, stupid. He's off-line.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <468cct$18b6@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:


> I also think Al
>  may 
> :>> just fly.  He hasn't denied his imminent flight, so I must be right. 

Sap. Sap. Sap! Imminent flight? What imminent flight? What can I say? 
The fact is undeniable that the Jews collectively are unhealthy and 
neurotic. Those professional Jews, who, wounded to the quick, indignantly 
deny this truth are the greatest enemies of their race. That applies especially 
to Harry - clairvoyant - Mazal.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <8B373C7.081100BB9D.uuout@almac.co.uk>
           angus.mclellan@almac.co.uk "ANGUS MCLELLAN" writes:


> As ought to be obvious, Ms Hart could have no way of knowing why the 
> infant concerned survived the gassing, nor could we. The point at issue 
> (it being hardly in doubt that an SS-man would be morally and physically
> capable of throwing a live infant into a fire) 

The point at issue is that this story - according to Mr McCarthy - is hearsay.
He who asserts must prove. There is no proof that it did happen. Therefore the
rest of your sophistry is a waste of time. I'll have to repost that ritual
murder story again sometime to show the world just how venal you people are.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article 
           jamie@voyager.net "Jamie McCarthy" writes:

> Whenever you have written to me a
> statement to that effect, it was in the context of the Jews having
> started the war against Hitler, or Organized Jewry being in control
> of the media, or somesuch.

You never tire of this nonsense, do you Jamie. When did I ever say Jews started
the war against Hitler? When did I ever say Organised Jewry controlled the media?
What I do recall saying was that before the United States came into the war,
British propagandists and Zionist hatemongers were doing their best to drag it
in, and I adduced as proof of this an article from the front page of the
Jewish Chronicle.

As to Organised Jewry being in control of the media, again, I never said any
such thing. My position is that all manner of groups lobby the media - as they
are perfectly entitled to do - but that some groups carry this lobbying to the
point of fear, loathing and intimidation. One of these groups is made up 
of powerful Jewish and Zionist organisations who interpret any criticism of 
any individual Jew, Jewish group or the state of Israel as rabid anti-Semitism.
That is all.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46c44q$nqj@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
 
>     You keep saying that simply because Hart did not see the things
> herself (contrary to your illiterate reading of her text, she did not
> claim to have seen them) not only are these things not admissible as
> evidence, but they can with absolute confidence be called false with no
> evidence of their falsity necessary other than your "because I say so." 

Mike, do yourself a favour and read Hart's book with a skeptical eye. Then
apply the same standards to her as you would to anyone else.
 
> 
>     You had no proof of the Mueller document's authenticity before you
> cited it, did you?  (Obviously not, since if you had it, and it were
> really proof, then it would not have been possible to give you evidence
> sufficient to convince you it's a fake.)  Yet you used it without proof. 

Here we go again. The Lachout document was introduced as evidence in a court
of law and it was unchallenged by a powerful team of lawyers. Furthermore,
other people were watching the trial, surely there were all manner of Jewish
groups and historians in the public gallery. They didn't pick up the fraud and
I heard nothing about it until it was posted in this group. I was perfectly
entitled to assume the veracity of it in exactly the same way I am perfectly
entitled to assume the veracity of an article in the latest Encyclopedia 
Britannica. I have gone to great lengths to distance myself from this fabrication,
and if you recall I have also exposed some "Revisionist" fabrication myself.
You on the other hand are going to great lengths to excuse the likes of Hart,
whose "evidence" is not worth the paper it is printed on. Furthermore, I don't
think one Exterminationist in this newsgroup has had the veracity or common
decency to document a single lie used by the Exterminationist lobby. You excuse
rationalise and explain away everything. 

Which one of us is honest?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <46bi9n$127o@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

 
> >Wrong! There were half a dozen witnesses to Adamski, half a dozen to the
> >Travis Walton incident, two to Barney and Betty Hill. On a slightly different
> >subject, Joseph Smith, founder of the Church of Mormon had 12 witnesses, and 
> >70,000 people saw the Sun dance at Fatima. Rubbish is still rubbish however
> >many people claim it is gospel.
> 
> Translation: no matter how many times my arguents are refuted, and no
> matter how ridiculous my arguments look, that's my story, and I'm
> sticking to it!

The correct translation is that half a dozen perjured witnesses do not make 
a lie true. I'm not the one who is putting forward ridiculous arguments about
babies surviving gassings by sucking their mother's nipples.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46bmpu$mod@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca>
           t08o@elara.sun.csd.unb.ca "Keith Morrison" writes:

> And I wouldn't mention the Hills around here if I was you, Al, since
> they were a mixed marriage.  Some of your friends might get upset.

What friends are they? My friends in the Neturei Karta? My friends in the
Islamic Party of Britain - of which I am an associate member?
 
> As to the other witnesses, Adamski was in a class by himself and is
> generally not regarded well even by die-hard UFOlogists.  No one 
> actually *saw* Travis Walton being abducted.  The testimony of his
> co-workers admits after they saw him struck by a beam of light and
> thrown backward they left rather quickly.

Philip Klass makes the point that in the 50s Adamski was an embarrassment, but
stories such as he peddled are now two a penny and are given credence by 
UFOlogists simply because their tales are incredible. He also makes the point
that the stories have begun to conform, ie the aliens have begun to look like
each other whereas at one time they were all markedly different.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46c1sj$mm0@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
 
>     Al, you've finally done it.
> 
>     You've convinced me that you are either a total imbecile, or
> clinically insane.  This is not mere name calling; you know I don't go in
> for that.  This is a sober, considered judgement.
> 
>     The things you call "just a figure" are on _official reports_ sent by 
> the _killers themselves_ to their _superior officers_.  This is what any 
> judge would call _prima facie_ evidence.


Would it make you feel better if I gave you a signed confession that I murdered
JFK? The fact that I was 7 years old and 5,000 miles away at the time won't
matter if I put a stamp on it and call it official. Grow up, Mike.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <469551$g7e@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:

> >It doesn't matter where you live nigger, we are going to get
> [snip]
> >
> >                              Salty  
> 
> Al,
> 
> Did you or "Salty" write this?/    Is Salty a nickname of yours
> or did you post this for Salty?
> 
> Cecelia   cacst9+@pitt.edu

Don't be a sap, Cecilia; this is about the 10th message I've got from 
nutters who seem to think I'm either a) the spiritual heir to Hitler just 
because I don't believe he was the Devil Incarnate or b) some sort of deranged
Farrakhanite because I happen to think that battering a man over the head 56
times in 81 seconds cannot be justified by the fact that he is black and 
6 foot 3.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           cmlewis@usc.edu "aria" writes:

>    i'm sorry, but i just don't believe that this happens to whites. 
> definitely not on such a large scale.  hispanics, probably; asians,
> possibly; but whites; i just don't see it.


It does. All the time. We have an equal opportunities policy here: our 
police beat up whites as well as blacks.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 22 11:51:48 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Origin of the term "Holocaust deniers" (was Re: The Purpose of Revisionism)
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In article <46btae$ljl@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:
 
> The research methods used by the ADL are not those employed by scholars,
> but rather, by police detectives and by lawyers.  They befriend police
> officers and get them to search confidential police data based and then
> supply the results of the searches to the ADL, who is not authorized to
> have the info.   They infiltrate various organizations, in other words,
> do undercover work.   They subscribe to various publications in names
> other than their own.   They collect reports that are sent in to them,
> usually by Jews, on anything the sender considers to be a hate incident.
> They them analyze all of the above while handicapped not only by biases
> that they are unwilling or unable to compensate for, but by groupthink [3],
> and by lack of knowledge of the research methods for psycho-social issues
> (antisemitism and other bigotries are definitely psycho-social issues). 

In other words they are nasty little shits who spy on people, obtain 
illegal access to official information which is used for their own nefarious 
ends and generally poke around looking for any dirt they can use on anyone.
Is it any wonder that they are hated?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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I posted this before  but it never arrived for some reason.

[The  following  section is based on three pages  of  photocopied 
text  which  appeared in an  American  anti-Semitic 
newspaper which was sent to the gullible Lady Birdwood. I am most grateful  to 
Lady  Birdwood  for supplying me with this extract. She  is  con-
vinced  of the veracity of the testimony it contains; I will  say 
only  that I find the testimony of alien abductions equally  con-
vincing.

I put it to you that if you take the likes of Kitty Hart at face value you
must also take this - obviously mentally disturbed - young woman at face value.
Furthermore, she claims to have witnessed this. This is not hearsay but first 
hand testimony. No double standards, if you do not apply a critical methodology
to Hart, you must treat this story in exactly the same way. After hearing some
of the revelations in the recent and ongoing trial of Rosemary West I am 
inclined to say that I find this woman's story far more believable than
Hart's.

The article, which begins on page 5, is called $Oprah, The Jews 
And Ritual Murder$ and it was written by Bob Hallstrom. It 
beings thus:

"On May 1, 1989, the Oprah Winfrey show had as its guest a person 
who, as a young girl, was forced to participate in a ritual in 
which an infant was sacrificed. The amazing thing about the guest 
is that she was not affiliated with some unknown radical blood 
letting cult, but that she was a JEW.

"According to an article on the show in the $Chicago Tribune,$ 
the woman was "undergoing long-term psychiatric treatment," 
apparently because of her horrible experience. The newspaper 
article is quoted below in its entirety."

The article is from the 7th May issue, is credited to the $New 
York Times News Service,$ and is entitled $Jews Protest Sacri-
fice Tale on Oprah Show.$ Apparently, hundreds of people, the 
leaders of Jewish organisations and civil liberties groups all 
protested against the airing of the young woman's allegations.

The pseudonymous "Rachel" had claimed that she had witnessed the 
ritual sacrifice of Jewish children and that she had been the 
victim of long term abuse. She claimed also that other Jewish 
families across the country engaged in such practices, and linked 
them to the recent mass murder of 13 people at Matamoros, Mexico.

Oprah Winfrey said this was the first time she had heard of Jews 
sacrificing children, and the woman told her, "When I was very 
young, I was forced to participate in that, and which I had [sic] 
to sacrifice an infant." 

At one point, says the article, the woman asserted that ritual 
sacrifices occurred in other Jewish families, and that they were 
known to the police.

The rest of the three pages of the photocopied article contains 
an overtly anti-Semitic interpretation of more traditional tales 
of Jewish ritual murder. What are we to make of Oprah Winfrey's 
guest?



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           cmlewis@usc.edu "aria" writes:

>    i'm sorry, but i just don't believe that this happens to whites. 
> definitely not on such a large scale.  hispanics, probably; asians,
> possibly; but whites; i just don't see it.


It does. All the time. We have an equal opportunities policy here: our 
police beat up whites as well as blacks.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           cmlewis@usc.edu "aria" writes:

>    i'm sorry, but i just don't believe that this happens to whites. 
> definitely not on such a large scale.  hispanics, probably; asians,
> possibly; but whites; i just don't see it.


It does. All the time. We have an equal opportunities policy here: our 
police beat up whites as well as blacks.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           cmlewis@usc.edu "aria" writes:

>    i'm sorry, but i just don't believe that this happens to whites. 
> definitely not on such a large scale.  hispanics, probably; asians,
> possibly; but whites; i just don't see it.


It does. All the time. We have an equal opportunities policy here: our 
police beat up whites as well as blacks.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 24 08:14:31 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <46dr2i$kd@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>If the editor of "Control of Communicable 
> Diseases in Man" the standard handbook for field epidemiologists, what is you 
> basis for "believing" that it can be done?  And don't you have a responsibility
>  to 
> the world to make your medical discovery public?

I suggest you take up this matter with Olga Lengyel; it was her claim, not mine.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 24 08:14:32 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust - Cecelia
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In article <46dq36$kd@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

In point of fact Arthur Hays Sulzberger, the owner of
>  the 
> New York Times, was a virulent anti-Zionist and the founder of the American 
> Council of Judaism, an anti-Zionist group. 

The American Council FOR Judaism. I've read a book on that - or parts of it -
Sulzberger was "something of an anti-Zionist" according to Alfred Lilienthal.
Zionist or not, that didn't stop him doing his bit to bait Hitler, which in the 
end did far more harm than good. As far as I'm concerned, the real Jews are the
men in black hats and caftans, other "Jews" are political gangsters who think
calling themselves Jews puts them about all criticism. c1948 a book was published
called "A Mask for Privilege"; it was about anti-Semitism. The cult of "anti-anti-
Semitism" in the words of Alfred Lilienthal, has long become a mask for mischief
making.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46dh16$m60@spectator.cris.com> asg@cris.com "Red Herring" writes:

 
> Resisting an arrest is sure way to get beaten.  That's what Rodney King did,
>  and 
> that's what he got.   

You stupid pillock, wait until they arrest you. Do you think being white will
save your arse?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46ditp$an6@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

> 
>     No, Baron just does not know how to analyze what he reads.

Mike, I gotta hand it to yer, you got one hell of a sense of humour, guy.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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PRESS RELEASE: October 23, 1995


Alexander Baron v Gerry Gable & Others - Libel Actions


This press release is being issued to clarify the position with 
regard to the above litigation. It is subject to the provisions 
of the 1981 Contempt Of Court Act.

Following serious allegations in the November 1993 issue of the 
magazine Searchlight, Alexander Baron instituted libel proceed-
ings against the publisher, Gerry Gable. The originating summons 
was subsequently amended to include three further defendants: the 
magazine's printer, Russell Press; the distributor, Central 
Books; and Housmans Bookshop, where Mr Baron purchased a copy of 
the said magazine.

In the Summer of 1994, Mr Baron issued a further writ in connec-
tion with allegations made in the February 1994 issue. This 
summons was against twelve parties, as follows:


          (1) Gerry Gable 
          (2) Ray Hill
          (3) Russell Press Ltd
          (4) Central Books Ltd
          (5) Housmans Bookshop Ltd
          (6) Bookmarks Ltd
          (7) Mushroom Books Ltd
          (8) Dillons Ltd
          (9) Waterstones Ltd
          (10) Economists Bookshop Ltd
          (11) Centerprise Trust Ltd
          (12) Alleycat Books Ltd


The case numbers of these actions - which are both in the Queen's 
Bench Division of the High Court - are 1993 B4482 and 1994 B2491 
respectively. 

At a hearing on October 11, 1995, two consent orders were signed, 
and the following agreements were made: Mushroom Books and Alley-
cat Books each agreed to pay Mr Baron the sum of L100, as part of 
the same agreement, Mr Baron agreed to discontinue proceedings 
against them and against Ray Hill; no orders for costs were to be 
sought by any of the parties. No admissions or apologies were 
either made or sought.

Housmans Bookshop agreed to pay Mr Baron the sum of L3,200, and 
in return Mr Baron agreed to discontinue proceedings in both 
actions against Housmans. Housmans agreed also to publish the 
following statement as a full page advertisement in the next 
issue of Peace News magazine:

"Housmans Bookshop Limited regrets any upset caused to Alexander 
Baron by references to him in the November 1993 and February 1994 
issues of Searchlight Magazine, which were on sale at Housmans 
Bookshop".

Centerprise Trust Ltd agreed to pay Alexander Baron the sum of 
L2,000 + L300 costs, and Mr Baron agreed to discontinue proceed-
ings against Centerprise Trust. No apology was either made or 
sought.

At an earlier hearing, the company W.H. Smith, owner of the 9th 
Defendant Waterstones, had signed a consent order for L1,800 
(L1,500 + L300 costs). No apology was either made or sought. A 
spokesman for the company said they had sold one issue of the 
February 1994 edition of Searchlight, at their Goldsmiths College 
branch.

Proceedings against Mr Gable, Russell Press Ltd, Central Books 
Ltd, Bookmarks Ltd, Dillons Ltd, and Economists Bookshop Ltd, 
continue. Bindman & Partners were removed from the record as 
solicitors for the Defendants Dillons Ltd and Economists Bookshop 
Ltd on an affidavit sworn by Robin Lewis of said firm on October 
10, in accordance with Order 67, Rule 6(1) of the Rules of the 
Supreme Court.

Bindman & Partners of 275 Grays Inn Road, London WC1, are solici-
tors for all the remaining Defendants in these actions.

Two motions to gaol Mr Baron for alleged contempt of court in 
both actions (on an affidavit by the solicitor Robin Lewis of 
Bindman & Partners) were heard on October 20 by Sir Michael 
Davies (sitting as a High Court Judge) in Court 20. The fact that 
I am able to issue this press release is comment enough on those 
proceedings.

No further public statements can be made by the Plaintiff at this 
moment in time.

Photocopies of both consent orders in the above actions may be 
obtained from the Plaintiff at L1.50 post paid (US residents, $5 
cash only [at sender's risk]).


This press release was issued by the Plaintiff, Alexander Baron, 
of 93c Venner Road, Sydenham, London SE26 5HU.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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A London woman, Daphne Thorn [sic?] has just been acquitted of murdering 
three of her babies. She had confessed to smothering them but her defence
counsel argued that she was mentally disturbed and that her confessions were
unreliable.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <22OCT95.17585712.0116@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>
           T08O@UNB.CA "Keith Morrison" writes:


> However getting back to the point that was made earlier, you are
> comparing apples and oranges using UFO reports as some sort of
> equivalent to eyewitness testimoney of the Holocaust.  Even if you
> decide that Hart's testimony is worthless, that in no way impacts on
> the historical veracity of the events in question.  There is just
> too much other evidence, including physical evidence, that supports
> the accepted history.  That is what seperates the Holocaust from
> UFOs.

Not so, what does the evidence prove? That countless thousands of people
died of typhus and mass starvation at the end of the war.

> Let's take another equivalent story.  During WW I, just after the
> British managed to rescue themselves after the Battle of Mons a
> story went around that they had been saved by a troop of angelic
> calvary who had stopped the pursuing Germans long enough for the
> Brits to get away.  Now this story is purely fable, but it can
> sometimes still be heard.  So does this in some way cast doubt upon
> the battle, the participants or World War One? 

Faulty analogy.

> Consider the Hart story in the same light.  Consider it a tall tale
> or a fable if you want.  But it does *not* do anything to change
> accepted historical evidence, it does *not* cast doubt on the
> Holocaust 

The point you miss is that ALL survivor testimony is like Hart's, all of it.
The same way that every book that has ever been written testifying to the 
reality of flying saucers and little green men is based on nonsense, lies,
fraud, and wild speculation.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46fvrr$gkl@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
 
>     Oh, right!  Concerts in a prison camp!  Anyone who believes this 
> should have his head examined.  Are you taking the piss, Al?
> 
>     Well, there you have it.  Proof to the same standard Mr. Baron uses. 
> -- 


Mike, do yourself a favour and do some research. They used to put on pantomimes
and everything in these camps. The Red Cross published several magazines
during the course of the war. Dig them out, you'll be surprised.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Baron (Re: The Exterminationist Guidebook)
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In article <46fekv$flh@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:
   
> The astounding Mr. Baron - age 40 and therefore not so young - attempts to
> confuse the issue.  

Thirty-nine, if you please!
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article 
           jamie@voyager.net "Jamie McCarthy" writes:
 

> > The fact is undeniable that the Jews collectively are unhealthy and
> > neurotic. Those professional Jews, who, wounded to the quick,
> > indignantly deny this truth are the greatest enemies of their race.

> 
> I saw that quoted elsewhere on this newsgroup, but I haven't found the
> original article you wrote, so I would like confirmation of its
> authorship, please.  And a bit of explanation as to why you wrote it
> wouldn't hurt, either.

I posted it a few days ago. Big deal.
 
> If you did indeed write that, then I don't think there's any need to
> pussy-foot around with what you have or haven't claimed about Jews
> in the 30s or whatever.  Especially if you'd like to go into a bit of
> detail for us as to why "Jews collectively are unhealthy and neurotic."
> You might start out by explaining why, if Jews are indeed just people
> like anyone else, it was necessary to focus on their collective
> unhealthiness and neuroticism.
> 
> That would seal it up quite thoroughly, I think, if you would just
> insert your foot a little further into your mouth.  Thanks.


I see, so this is further proof of my insufferable anti-Semitism, is it?
When have I ever authenticated the Protocols, the Blood Libel or any other
anti-Semitic nonsense? When have I ever called for pogroms? Grow up, Jamie?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <8B39286.081100BCAA.uuout@almac.co.uk>
           angus.mclellan@almac.co.uk "ANGUS MCLELLAN" writes:

 
> You have chosen not to comment as regards the possibility of an infant 
> surviving gassing by hydrogen cyanide, so I will assume that you agree 
> that this is a possible outcome.

You assume wrong.
 
> You have not suggested that it would have been impossible for an SS man 
> to pick up the still-living infant. Nor, as far as I can see, have you 
> suggested that the same SS man could have thrown the infant into a 
> furnace.

You missed what I said; the question is not could an SS man have done this,
but did SS man Wagner walk into a gas chamber, find a "gassed" baby alive
and then throw it into an oven. I think not.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <46fahv$flh@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:


> Vaccine was most certainly available to the Nazis. Perhaps he can tell us
> the three most common forms of preparing typhus vaccine before 1945.
> Perhaps he can also tell us who headed the vaccine project, and where human
> experimentation and research was carried out. If he is the immunologist
> and epidemiologist that he apparently claims to be, he can also post the
> results of these experiments.

Harry, I was barracked by one man for claiming there was a vaccine now I'm
barracked by you for saying something else. If you read what I posted though
you will see that I was merely quoting a "survivor".

> 
> October 22 has come and gone. Where are the Revelations?

Time to eat humble pie. Or change the subject.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Drug Wars - Cross Posted from Libernet Digest
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Date: 11 Oct 1995 08:46:46 -0700
From: "Johann Opitz" 
Subject: Drug War = Totalitarianism?
To: "  Libernet" 

with my minor revisons and improvements included:

=====

Does the War on Drugs = Totalitarianism?

TOTALITARIANISM
(as in Nazism, Fascism, & Communism)

Know the Signs!

CIVIL LIBERTIES SACRIFICED - "We must give up some of our freedoms, liberties,
and rights in order to combat this menace to society."

CONFISCATION OF PROPERTY - Property and assets of members of the targeted
group are seized. The seized property may then be divided between the informer
and the state.

DEHUMANIZATION - Characterizing all members of the target group as subhuman
and typically capable of monstrous deeds and crimes.

INFORMERS - Citizens are urged to "turn in" their neighbors, friends,
co-workers, and even immediate family members.

LEGAL DISCRIMINATION - Laws criminalize members of the targeted group who then
may be denied jobs, the right to own property, and/or unrestricted travel.

LIES - "Facts" which cannot be verified and pseudo-scientific studies are used
as propaganda against the targeted group. History is rewritten to support the
"facts" and the pseudo-scientific studies.

NO PUBLIC DEBATE - "These people have no right to have their viewpoint aired."
and "Anyone who disagrees or questions us must be one of them."

PREJUDICE - Selling the public on the idea that all members of the targeted
group are "bad" people.

PROTECT OUR CHILDREN - "They corrupt, seduce, and destroy our children."

REMOVAL FROM SOCIETY - Prisons, "hospitals," "rehabilitation camps,"
executions, genocide ( "kill them all" ).

SCAPEGOATING - Blaming social problems on a cultural, racial, or behavioral
group.

SECRET POLICE - Non-uniformed police squads are set up to wage war on the
targeted group utilizing deception, infiltration, espionage, and entrapment.

RECOGNIZE THE "WAR ON DRUGS" FOR WHAT IT IS.

LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS IT IS NOT!


[Suitable for display in workplaces, homes, and public ways.]

------------------------------


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46e1e8$3u0_001@com.mindspring.com>
           kerwin@mindspring.com "Kerwin L. Gray" writes:

> This is the first 
> time I have heard any claim of brain damage.  All of the head injuries Mr. 
> King sufffered were cured by a few stiches and were incurred when his head hit 
> the ground after he attacked the police and they defended themselves.

The man had brain damage from what I heard. Are you really attempting to 
defend this sort of thing?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
 
> Hmmm. Sounds like another episode of Al pointing his finger at his sources
> and saying "Blame them!" This is getting a bit repetitive. 

Listen, before you and every other Exterminatinionist in this newsgroup 
denounces me to high heaven as a liar, read what I actually said. Here is
another reference to typhus vaccine from a former inmate:


$Medical Block Buchenwald$, by Walter Poller, published by Corgi 
Books, London, paperback edition, (1975). 

page 194 reports a typhus epidemic broke out. The vaccination of 
all prisoners was ordered, but this was not supervised and most 
prisoners elected not to be vaccinated.


All I did was quote what was written; if this is a lie, then it is not mine,
rather it is an Exterminationist lie. Dig? Furthermore, I do not believe that
Poller and Lengyel did lie; it may be that the Nazis - desperate to stop the
spread of typhus so that they could gas Jews instead - gave inmates some sort
of experimental vaccine. I don't know the full facts yet but will endeavour
to find them.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46j0n6$rrm@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net "Harry Katz" writes:

> In article <814382874snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>,
> Alexander Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) whines:
> 
>         I suggest you take up this matter with Olga Lengyel; it was her claim,
>         not mine.
> 
> Mr. Baron is extremely cavalier for someone who just successfully sued a
> bookstore for selling a magazine that defamed Mr. Baron.  Apparently, the
> bookstore could not use Mr. Baron's argument against him in a court of law,
> that the claims were not theirs, but the magazine's.  Yet, Mr. Baron, eminent
> hypocrite that he is, will hide behind this excuse, as if it were not up to
> him to verify the facts before repeating what others say

You are making a big mistake Harry. In Britain there is a defence of innocent
dissemination. If for example, you were libelled by the London "Times" and 
sued the newsagent that sold it, the newsagent would be able to plead, 
successfully, a defence of innocent dissemination, because the "Times" is a long
established, respectable newspaper and no reasonable person would be able to
argue in a court of law that the newsagent should have known the "Times" 
contained a libel on him.

I cannot comment on my cases because they are ongoing, but I can tell you that
a defence of innocent dissemination was not pleaded in the case of Housman's
Bookshop.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Once again, Honest Al is vindicated, once again he stands a Revisionist
Giant amongst the Exterminationist pygmies. A few days ago I posted the
following:

"The fact is undeniable that the Jews collectively are 
unhealthy and neurotic. Those professional Jews who, wounded to 
the quick, indignantly deny this truth are the greatest enemies 
of their race"

I was informed by several people that this quote is anti-Semitic. As indeed
it is. Let me give you the full attribution, gentlemen:

$ZIONISM IN THE AGE OF THE DICTATORS: A reappraisal$, by Lenni 
Brenner, published by Croom Helm, Beckenham, Kent, (1983).
page 23 "The fact is undeniable that the Jews collectively are 
unhealthy and neurotic. Those professional Jews who, wounded to 
the quick, indignantly deny this truth are the greatest enemies 
of their race..." quoting American Zionist Ben Frommer

The anti-Zionist Jew Mr Brenner also throws in the following examples of 
racial abuse against the Jewish people:
page 23 quoting A.D. Gordon - "parasites, people fundamentally 
useless."
Michael Yosef Berdichevsky - "not a nation, not a people, not 
human."
Yosef Chaim Brenner "Gypsies, filthy dogs, inhuman, wounded, 
dogs."

These are sentiments that I would never endorse, and are final proof,
as if final proof were needed, that Zionism is not just a fascistic
philosophy but inherently anti-Jewish.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 25 22:10:53 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Harry Mazal - Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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Notice the way Harry has shifted ground with typical Zionist mendacity. 
For the past few weeks he has been carping on about my supposedly frivolous
lawsuits. Well, Harry, a lawsuit that is frivolous will be dismissed under
Order 18, Rule 19(s1) of the Rules of the Supreme Court on the grounds that 
it is frivolous, vexatious or an abuse of the process of the court, that it
shows no reasonable cause of action, or under the inherent jurisdiction of 
the court.

If my lawsuits are frivolous, why are they still active? Perhaps you'd like
to enlighten us, hmm? 

If my lawsuits are frivolous, why is it that I'm now 7,500 pounds richer? Ask
Housman's Bookshop how frivolous they are. Better still, write to the
main protagonist and ask him. Write to his lawyer and ask him; he knows all
about frivolous summonses.

Now Harry is referring to one lawsuit, which he says I lost. What are the 
details, Harry? I'm interested. Tell me the case number, the court it was
issued in, the judgement supposedly entered against me. What's the matter,
Harry, cat got your tongue?

For the record, Harry, why don't you tell me, and the rest of the group,
what the current lawsuits are about? Do you know, hmm? Do you know what 
allegations they concern? Do you Hell!

The truth is Harry, you're full of shit. You're arguing from ignorance, and
repeating hearsay. I've made a fool of you Harry, and every time you open
your fat stupid mouth on this subject I'm going to make an even bigger fool
of you. If you've got any sense you'll belt up, crawl back down your hole
and lick your wounds. Then come back whining and wailing about the Holocaust,
the Dachau "gas chamber" and the forged documents I'm supposed to have sent
you. Who knows, you may even convince yourself that you've got a case, but
you're on a hiding to nothing with this one. So long, sucker.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 25 22:10:54 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Baron delivers the goods - Res ipsa loquitur
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In article <46hsq4$k3s@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:


> Nobody has brought up suits 2-12 on this newsgroup.  The only one  that
> has been discussed on this newsgroup is #1, the suit against the
> editor of  _Searchlight_.  Has  this suit been settled?   

Harry, are you the world's greatest sophist or simply a  halfwit? Don't you 
know anything? Read the damn thing: these 12 defendants are all in the 
same action.
     
> >  Two motions to gaol Mr Baron for alleged contempt of court in 
> >  both actions (on an affidavit by the solicitor Robin Lewis of 
> >  Bindman & Partners) were heard on October 20 by Sir Michael 
> >  Davies (sitting as a High Court Judge) in Court 20. The fact that 
> >  I am able to issue this press release is comment enough on those 
> >  proceedings.
> 
> Is that so?   Mr. Baron admits that motions were made for 'alleged
> contempt of court' by the solicitor for Bindman and Partners. He
> does not tell us what the Court ruled.

How many American prisons are connected to the Internet?



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46hsq4$k3s@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:

Harry, I have told you before, in England we have Contempt of Court laws;
as you see from my press release, I have already been subjected to contempt
proceedings and have no intention whatsoever of placing myself in a position 
where I might jeopardise my cases just to satisfy the curiosity of a frightened
(and it seems hate-flled) old man on the other side of the Atlantic.

I have delivered the goods, Harry. Wait patiently for my next announcement
which will be made just as soon as my lawyer advises.

If you want to keep making a fool of yourself, keep arguing from ignorance,
because you obviously know nothing about these legal cases except what some
little Zionist creep has fed you. I've told you before, Harry, these people are
the world's master liars, and they lie to dumb Jews with the same impunity
as they lie to dumb goyim.




-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46gl6l$8v0@eco.twg.com> chall@eco.twg.com "Charles Don Hall" writes:

> In article <814271860snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>,
> Alexander Baron   wrote:
> >In article <4693ee$t5f@eco.twg.com> chall@eco.twg.com "Charles Don Hall"
>  writes:
> 
> [The topic under discussion: Was Kitty Hart lying when she said that
> she was told that an infant survived a gassing and was subsequently 
> thrown into an oven?]
> 
> >> The person "on trial" is Ms. Hart herself. You've accused her
> >> of lying. In order to prove your charge, you have to present
> >> some evidence that she made the story up out of whole cloth.
> >> If you're not able to do this, then IMHO you owe Ms. Hart
> >> an apology.

Have you read my signature? "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows 
the truth makes himself the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy

That applies equally to Kitty Hart.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: More of Baron's Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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In article <46hd8i$f2c@access4.digex.net>
           mstein@access4.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
 
> >Which one of us is honest?
> 
>     Both of us, probably.  I'm perfectly prepared to believe that you
> believe the nonsense you spout, that you believe your apparent
> hallucinations about what I have written (i.e., that I've said Hart is
> telling the truth when I have never said such a thing).  Since you believe
> what you are saying, that makes it honest despite its utter falsity. 

Mike, re Kitty Hart, please refer to my signature. People who repeat nonsense
gratuitously are liars.

I am quite prepared to believe that two people - you and I - can hold 
totally different opinions; I am even prepared to believe that we can 
look at the same data and reach honestly different conclusions - it happens
all the time, but I am not prepared to excuse this sort of nonsense.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 25 22:37:33 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <46dh16$m60@spectator.cris.com> asg@cris.com "Red Herring" writes:

 
> Resisting an arrest is sure way to get beaten.  That's what Rodney King did,
>  and 
> that's what he got.   

You stupid pillock, wait until they arrest you. Do you think being white will
save your arse?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46dh16$m60@spectator.cris.com> asg@cris.com "Red Herring" writes:

 
> Resisting an arrest is sure way to get beaten.  That's what Rodney King did,
>  and 
> that's what he got.   

You stupid pillock, wait until they arrest you. Do you think being white will
save your arse?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 30 15:48:40 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust - Cecelia
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In article <46j7c7$l63@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:

> 1) My statement above shows that I am able to distinguish between what
>    I consider legitimate political criticism of Israel and its
>    supporters in the US and what I consider to be speech motivated
>    by hate.

You may not have noticed Josh, but Organised Jewry (which doesn't really
exist) does not share your reasonableness. Furthermore, if you were a goy
they, or someone would have smeared you as an anti-Semite on the basis of
what you've just said. Furthermore, if they didn't have a file on you already
as a self-hating Jew, they will have after tonight.

You may not have noticed this either but you have legitimised what I have 
said in my book. We have more in common than you would care to admit.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46kprq$ogo@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

 
> Another quasi-Revelation by Mr. Baron...


Eat dirt Harry, October 23 and Baron delivered the goods.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <46m5in$3qi@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:

> In any case, let me explain exactly what is antisemetic about your
> statement -- the idea that "the Jews collectively are unhealthy
> and neurotic" 

He, he, he...

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46jfm9$qeb@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> Are there videotapes of these pantomimes? 

No, but there are PLENTY of photographs of them.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <46jfvi$s6g@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:


> In what way, Al, is "all survivor testimony" like Hart's?  Considering 
> that you haven't given us a terribly clear idea of what's so unbelievable
> about Hart's account, this would be a good time to make your basic 
> position clear.

Hart's hearsay story of a baby surviving a gassing is not so unbelievable,
nor is the story of the woman who saw her son chopping wood, joined hands 
with him and marched into the gas chamber. No, of course, they're not
unbelievable. What planet are you from, pal?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46ma8r$dgn@gwdu19.gwdg.de> uroessl1@gwdg.de "Ulrich Roessler" writes:

 
> Provide complete references to any survivor testimony and state your 
> reasoned disbelief in each and every case. As long you haven't done so 
> for "ALL survivor testimony" your claim is worthless and exposes your
> methodology as insane delusion. 

I've read a lot of books by survivors, and they all have two things in common:
references to gassings are not believable; the references that are believable
tell stories of hardship and sorrow, but no more so than any other victim of
war. I suppose that makes me an anti-Semite again, not realising that these
are special people.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 30 15:48:45 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Baron (Re: The Exterminationist Guidebook)
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In article <46kq44$ogo@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:
 
> Whatever. Old enough, any sensible person would imagine, to stop indulging
> his fantasies by suing decent and upright men.  

Harry, these decent and upright men paid me. They lost.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:


> > "..the Jews collectively are unhealthy and neurotic."  Upon what do you base 
> > that incredible and idiotic statement?  What about Jews would make them 
> > collectively unhealthy?  Collectively neurotic?  I really think you need 
> > help, Al, and soon.

I totally agree. Why don't you ask the Zionist anti-Semite who made this 
outrageous statement?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Harry Mazal's decent and respectable people
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Tell me Harry Mazal, or anyone. Are Housman's bookshop and Centerprise
bookshop run by decent and respectable people?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Somebody appreciates me. Today I received letters of congratulations from
Britain's most distinguished philosopher, a Conservative MP and the editor of
a respected parapolitics journal concerning my recent successes. The writing 
is on the wall for a certain publication.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Jeff said he'd posted some GIF files to the group recently; has anybody
seen them?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46pkr8$42t@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> Revelations?  Balderdash!
> 
> Harry W. Mazal OBE

I hesitate to think what that OBE might stand for. I, Harry, have provided
hard, documented evidence. You, on the other hand have made innuendo and 
unsupported assertions. When you've got some evidence, post it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <8B3D244.081100BF2C.uuout@almac.co.uk>
           angus.mclellan@almac.co.uk "ANGUS MCLELLAN" writes:

> Either Mr Baron has decided that Peguy's words refer only to others 
> (and perhaps only to Ms Hart) or he is the 'accomplice of liars and 
> forgers'.
> 
> I wonder whether Mr Baron will be so kind as to explain this apparent 
> example of double standards ?

What double standard is that, pray tell? What lies have I spread or kept
silent about?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <46os9s$42c@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> I'll ask you once more:
> 
> Why do you consider Kitty Hart's story unbelievable?  Keep in mind that
> there are documented accounts of people surviving everything from an axe
> in the head to a ten-story fall--given the enormous number of people
> who were gassed during the Holocaust, why wouldn't we expect an occasional
> incident like this?

These "gas chambers" were said to be crowded; the children were said to have
been separated from their parents. We are asked to believe that a woman
smuggled in the baby, that hundreds, or perhaps thousands of people were 
crammed into this room, that Zyklon was poured in, and that after half an hour
or so the SS man found this baby. Don't forget that the people in these
chambers were supposed to have been practically welded together. He walks in
and just happens to find it. He picks it up, and, presumably, walks off with it
to the oven?

Added to that, this is hearsay, according to people in this group.

> Why do you consider the story about the woman and her son unbelievable?
> Unlike the baby story, this one doesn't even seem to contain an unlikely
> occurence.  Can you tell us anything to cast doubt on this?

Are you serious? What evidence is there that this happened? Grow up, man.
No wonder OJ was acquitted with this sort of prosecution "evidence".

> If you respond again with "Did this happen?  Did it hell!" or "How much
> are the Zionists paying you to promulgate this rubbish?"  I'll assume 
> that you aren't interested in serious discussion, and begin treating 
> you as an amusing target for ridicule and abuse, like Miltie and Griswold.  
> God knows, the temptation is almost overwhelming...


If you truly believe this, it's not Zionists who should pay you but you who
should pay a good shrink.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 30 15:48:51 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:
 
> >> Provide complete references to any survivor testimony and state your 
> >> reasoned disbelief in each and every case. As long you haven't done so 
> >> for "ALL survivor testimony" your claim is worthless and exposes your
> >> methodology as insane delusion. 

Provide references for every UFO abductee and every spirit medium, and if 
you can't refute every single case, they must be genuine.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

 
> Other people have offered different conjectures as to why the baby might
> have survived the gassing long enough to be tossed alive into the oven.

I'll give you one conjecture that is always missing from this newsgroup
when discussing nonsense like this: Occam's Razor. The simplest answer is 
the correct one unless and until there is evidence to the contrary. And the
simplest answer is that somebody - Hart or somebody - made this nonsense up. 
Why look any further? Scared of being branded anti-Semitic if you appear to
make common cause with Crazy Al?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

 
> How about the BNP? Do have friends in the BNP? Are you a memnber as well?
> Do you maintain any sort of relationship with the BNP or any of its
> members? 

I am in regular contact with its press officer, but as a card carrying 
journalist I'm entitled to be.

> I think I see where you're going with this, Al. Are you suggesting that
> charlatans like Adamski who manufactured a UFO hoax that later became the
> template for other abduction stories is somehow related to the Holocaust?

I'm suggesting that some people will believe anything.


> Are you, perhaps, trying to imply some parallelisms here between the
> ludicrous UFO myth "industry" and the _documented_ historical fact of the
> Holocaust? If so, why don't simply stop your silly pussy-footing around
> and spit it out? 

What's ludicrous about it? There are about 10 to the power of 20 stars in
the Universe. What's so ludicrous about the idea that people from other
worlds have the technology to visit the Earth and do so covertly?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <46pq8q$qfb@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
           uroessl1@gwdu19.gwdg.de "Ulrich Roessler" writes:
 
> You once mentioned M.Buber-Neumann's book favourably. You surely
> remember that she speaks about gassings in Ravensbrueck as a matter
> of fact, i.e. as an open secret in the camp. Remember, she was somehow 
> a privileged inmate with good contacts to guards, owing in part 
> to the fact that she was German. In many cases, these guards were primary 
> sources of information for the inmates. (She writes also 
> at length about a woman-guard who was transfered from Auschwitz 
> to Ravensbrueck and told her quite openly what was going on there.)
 
> Yes, Buber-Neumann wasn't an eye-witness because she never saw 
> the gas-chamber in operation in Ravensbrueck. However, compare
> her account with Johann Schwarzhuber's confession about gassings there,
> which was posted by Danny Keren many times in this group. Then, you have 
> already two pieces of evidence telling the same thing. 

That doesn't mean they are true. I find her book remarkably honest; I find merit
in Kitty Hart's book too, but not when she talks about obvious nonsense.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46pa3l$2s5@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


>    The net result is that you sued businessmen far more decent and far more 
> honorable than your hero Al Capone for the "crime" of seeling books of which 
> you do not approve.  This is an action that would have been tossed by any 
> court in the United States.  Finally your initiation of lawsuits against
>  booksellers 
> solely on the basis that they sold books destroys completely your pompous claim > to be a "libertarian."

Two of these booksellers - fine, upstanding people - were stocking two separate
magazines that incited the murders of police officers, judges and named 
politicians. I reported this to the police in April, and to date no one has
been prosecuted. On the other hand, if they had taken the piss out of some
Jewish mischief-makers - like Colin Jordan did - they would have been raided
and dragged into court.

Lesson: learn the facts, don't listen to Harry Mazal.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46plmg$42t@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

   
> Quite right, Mr. McFee. All we can expect from Mr. Baron is  
> continued evasiveness.

And more successful lawsuits!

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46pk4f$42t@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

 
> Are they now?  Once again: Did the Editor of _Searchlight_ settle?

I am still in litigation with this person so can make no comment.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46pke1$42t@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> >       18) What was the motion for contempt brought against Lyin' Al?


To send me to gaol. Did it succeed? Send me $5 and I'll send you a copy of
the Order which arrived this morning.
  

> >         21) Al Capone was an upstanding businessman?

Entirely.




-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: 22nd October, 1995
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:


>Baron settled for a few thousand
> >pounds, no apologies, no retractions, and the money apparently goes to the
> >counterclaimants who got damages assessed against him for his vexatious or
> >frivolous litigation.  

Baron is still in litigation, and his wallet has never been fatter.
 
> That probably won't bother Al much; in England, 
>so I'm told, lawyers can't sue for their fees.

Al is acting in person! 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron vindicated
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In article 
           karlpov@access2.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

> So you are saying that the words of one Zionist, which you recently 
> repeated as your own, are evidence that Zionism is inherently 
> antisemitic? Would you be willing to judge all Republicans or, pardon me, 
> all Tories on the basis of the words of one of them?

I'm saying sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander: if Al is an anti-Semite
so is this scumbag.

> Did Lenni Brenner provide any context for the above, which are not even
> complete sentences? Or are you making judgement on the individuals cited
> on the basis of a few tendentiously quoted, isolated words?

Notice nobody ever asks about the context of my words. Sauce for the goose.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron vindicated
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In article <46or60$d77@pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com>
           donald05@nyc.pipeline.com "Donald Moffitt" writes:

> On Oct 24, 1995 19:11:08 in article , 'Alexander Baron
> ' wrote: 

>  
> Tell us something how the suits you lost, Al,  How much of your winnings
> must go to pay off the damages assessed against you? 

What damages are they, pray tell?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Harry Mazal - Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article <46pjq9$42t@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> Are they still active?  Not a chance. The only one of the five lawsuits that
> Mr. Baron brought against decent and upright British citizens and 
> Institutions is the one against the Editor of _Searchlight._
> 
> True or false, Mr. Baron?

False.

> Is Mr. Baron _still_ 7,500 pounds richer?    He has not yet advised anyone
> how much he paid to settle court and legal costs on four of the above five
> lawsuits. Nor will he.

If you want a copy of the order send me a $5 note. If you are prepared to take
my word, reread the press release. The settlements in my favour included costs
as stated in the press release.

 
> It is not _one_ lawsuit that Mr. Baron withdrew. It is four lawsuits. Does 
> he deny this?

Yes.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Re
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
 
> Slowly, Baron is discarding some of his infantile arguments
> against the validity of this incident. He also claimed that
> "the gas chambers were in the basement", and hence Wagner
> couldn't "run out and throw the baby into the furnace". The
> fool didn't know that in Kremas IV and V the gas chambers
> were on the same level as the furnaces.

Dan, there is no argument. By your admission this story is hearsay. 
It is also extraordinary; extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Actually, it is bordering on the miraculous. Don't try to validate nonsense
like this, you'll only humiliate yourself.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust -
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In article <46oc01$6kl@eco.twg.com> chall@eco.twg.com "Charles Don Hall" writes:


> In your last article, you claimed that Ms. Hart doesn't appear 
> credible on television, and that she keeps changing her stories.
> That *could* have been evidence, but it wasn't, because you
> didn't provide any specific details. 

She claimed she saw a young child's head dashed out by an SS man, something
which was, strangely, omitted from her book.
 

> Anyway, I think we're back at square one. Do you have any evidence
> that Ms. Hart is a liar? If not, then IMHO you still owe her an
> apology.


Read my signature; people who repeat lies and gratuitous nonsense are
every bit as guilty as the people who invent them.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Oh where, oh where, has Al Baron gone?  Oh where, oh where can he be?
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In article <46mmnh$21km@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:


> There seems to be no sign of Baron either.  I might add that I suspected this 
> might be the case.  These types usually disappear for a time and then try to 
> sneak back.

None are so blind as those who will not see. Apology please.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Harry Mazal - Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article <46mt43$srf@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


>    Should we also ask about the cost of proving your suit frivolous -- still
>  sub judice 
> -- as against a rather minor settlement from which you apparently profited
>  nothing.


A frivolous law suit will be struck out under Order 18, Rule 19(s1) of the
Rules of the Supreme Court. This is England, not the United States. You can't
bring stupid suits here the way you can overthere. Ask any English lawyer.

As for my profiting nothing; if you think this sort of money is f*** all,
why don't you send a similar donation to the ADL?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Harry Mazal - Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article <46n1fi$95e@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

 
> Talk about "shifting the ground." Mr. Mazal has never made reference
> to any of the lawsuits against your bookstore defendants.
> 
> >If my lawsuits are frivolous, why are they still active? Perhaps you'd like
> >to enlighten us, hmm? 

Harry said that after October 22 I would disappear up my own exhaust pipe.
He said I would be gone. Well, I'm still here.
 
> Are you saying that you still have lawsuits pending against Mike
> Whine, the Commissioner of Police, and the Jewish Chronicle? Those are
> the lawsuits that you have been asked about, not your pathetic
> shakedown of some bookstores.

> This information does not come from any "dirty little Zionist," Mr.
> Baron. It is a matter of public record. 

If it is a matter of public record, post it.

> Here is a question: how many of your defendants have admitted that
> they libeled you? None, as per your press release. You have not won a
> single court decision on the main event. You have been called an
> antisemite, and no court has ruled that you have been libeled for
> being called that.

I am still in litigation with several of the defendants.

> On top of that, you have sold your reputation for 7500 pounds. As the
> repeated phrase in your press release goes, "no apology was made or
> sought."
> 
> So what will 7500 quid buy me? Will you tell us how much you love
> Kitty Hart for 7500?

You don't understand what you're talking about and once again I'm afraid
I can't comment on it. 





-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:
 
> Did your mother have any children who lived, Al?

Did your mother marry your father?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <199510271456.PAA20870@utopia.hacktic.nl>
           byersl@ucsu.colorado.edu "Western" writes:
 
> >Mr. Farrakahan,
> 
> >My name is Rufus Washington.  I am a 25 year old oppressed black man.
> >I dropped out of school at 14  to pursue a career in dealing drugs,
> >and I have been in and out of jail ever since. 

You are oppressed, Mr Washington. Specifically you are oppressed by a system
that turns you into an outlaw by criminalising your legitimate business of
providing willing buyers - black and white - with a narcotic substance for 
recreational use. The very same system criminalised Al Capone 70 years ago
for providing a similar public service. It is not racism but mass hysteria
and collective psychosis. What you should do is lobby for the legalisation 
of crack, cocaine and heroin.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46rvsl$ang@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


>  You have repeatedly proved that you are unable to discern the 
> difference between truth and fabrication (do we have to remind you of the
>  Mueller 
> Document yet again).  

Do I have to remind you yet again that this document was unchallenged in a courtroom
so I was justified in taking it at face value and that immediately the forgery
was drawn to my attention I disowned it? You are still clinging to your gassed
baby in the oven garbage, an obvious falsehood, so don't lecture me about
integrity.


> Second for 
> failing to confront solid evidence which makes hash of your position.

Solid evidence: lies built on hearsay built on rumour. Get a life.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <46ph8e$3tm@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

 
> Mr. Baron can _surely_ comment on the cases that are no longer ongoing. To wit:
> The withrawn suits against the Editor of the Jewish Chronicle, the B.O.D, the
> Commissioner of Police and Mr., Mike Whine.  He might also tell us how 
> much he was countersued for and how much he has paid. But will he?\

Harry, you are such a boring old fart and arsehole that I am going to clear
this up once and for all. In May 1993 I was arrested on "evidence" concocted
by Organised Jewry. My computer and other property was confiscated.
I issued a summons under the Police Property  Act to get
my property back; it was not successful. Finally, after much thought and
consideration I issued a complex writ in the County Court primarily as a means
of generating publicity. It didn't work because the media here is shit scared
of branding any Jew a liar for fear of being branded anti-Semitic. Not me.

Because a libel writ is very complex I was advised it would fail in its
present form. This writ was for more than just libel, so I withdrew it and
told the parties - including Mike Whine - that if they paid a sum into court
and apologised - I would not reissue it. Mike Whine declined this offer. If
you have any doubts that he regrets that, give him a ring now and he'll tell
you Jew to Jew that he is sorry he has ever heard of me. He'll be even sorrier
by the time I'm through with him.

Mike Whine subsequently issued a garnishee order for some 1300 pounds which was 
recouped by collusion between two Jewish-owned firms of solicitors from 
a payment of 1800 pounds made to me by one of the booksellers I sued.

Another of the people I included in the writ agreed not to pursue me for costs
if I would leave him out of future writs. This person is a wealthy and powerful
Jew. He is also very wise.

The ONLY costs recouped against me were those of Mike Whine, not the editor
of the un-Jewish Chronicle nor anyone else.

Later my property was returned and no charges were filed, so I now have a case
against the police, although even if one is a 100% in the right it is often
difficult to prove anything against the police. Don't take my word, ask Rodney 
King.


When one sues the Police, one sues the Commissioner as a figurehead. Because
of the circumstances of my arrest and the behaviour of the officer involved,
a Jew named DS Chainey - surprise surprise  - I was granted legal aid to sue
for false arrest, which is pending but so far limited to counsel's opinion.

In December 1993 I issued a writ against Searchlight and subsequently a writ
in September 1994. I have settled so far for 7,500 from several of the parties
and have turned down one other offer as derisory.

In 1991 a journalist sued Searchlight, its printer and its distributor and 
settled out of court for 1,010 pounds and no apology. Compare his case with
what I've got so far.

Furthermore you know nothing about this case; you don't know what it concerns,
any allegations made or anything. You are in the dark and arguing from ignorance
advised as you are by liars and fools.

Because I can only handle one case at a time and libel is very complex (my 
solicitor is handling the other case, against the police), I will not YET
be reissing my other libel writ. When I do, it will be properly drafted.

So far my so-called frivolous litigation has cost a lot of people a great
deal of money and a great deal of aggravation. I have also recently sued Hackney
Council successfully, albeit for a small sum.

The people you have called respectable include a piece of slime whose organisation
dragged a dotty old woman into court not once but twice because she is so gullible
as to believe the Jews are plotting to take over the world. They have also smeared
as an anti-Semite loony anti-racist Ken Livingstone and tried to have me 
prosecuted for condemning the murders of Palestinian children.

Two of the so-called respectable bookshops in this case were found by me to
be stocking newspapers that incite the murders of policemen and that harass
Conservative MPs (including Jewish MPs).

You're talking shit Harry because you have been advised by liars. I am well
ahead financially, and Organised Jewry are sorry they ever crossed swords with
me. And there are more nightmares to come.

In future, Harry, get the full facts.

Furthermore you repeatedly stated or implied that after October 22 I wouldn't
be around or that I would be eating humble pie. Well Harry, I'm still around,
and I'm eating cake that somebody else bought for me. You've lost Harry, now
change the subject and accuse me of lying about something else like you always
do.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
 
> Absolutely, Al! Now, _will_ you state your reasons for why Hart's
> recounting is "impossible" and violates the "laws of physics?"

Take a deep breath of cyanide then ask me that question again.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46rvaq$ang@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>    Mt reference, of course, was not the gross settlement but to the amount that > you put in your pocket.  Given the legal fees, the legal costs, the amount 
> retained by counsel as a retainer for trial (barrister's fees are paid in
>  advance) 
> and the fact that the court ordered that past judgments against you be
>  satisfied 

Wrong again.


> from the settlements, I doubt that the amount that actually found its way into
>  your 
> pocket was enough to buy a pint of beer at the local pub. 

Wrong again. My legal "fees" to date amount to a hundred quid to a qualified
but non-pracitising lawyer. The rest has been time and effort, but the real
fruits are yet to come.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Harry Mazal - Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article <46rptb$7si@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:
 
> 1) How much of the 7500 Pounds   was Mr. Baron obliged
> by the court to pay Mr. Michae Whine for legal costs?

Just over 1300
 
> 2) How much of the 7500 Pounds was Mr. Baron obliged
> by the court to pay the Board of Deputies for legal costs?

Nothing, because I didn't sue them. Apology please, Harry.
 
> 3) How much of the 7500 Pounds was Mr. Baron obliged
> by the court to pay the Editor of _The Jewish Chronicle_
> for legal costs?

Nothing.

> 4) How much of the 7500 Pounds was Mr. Baron obliged 
> by the court to pay the Commissioner of Police for legal
> costs?

Nothing.

> 50 How much of the 7500 Pounds left over after Mr. Baron
> paid the above?

I have made about 6,000 to date; my actual costs (excluding time)
come to about 1,000. A successful litigant in person (as I hope to be
at the end of the day) is allowed all his material costs (including for
any legal advice) plus 8.25 pounds per hour.

Why don't you ask the other parties how much they've spent to date?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46sbu7$fes@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
 
> At least this philosophy student would be interested to know exactly
> who you consider ? "Britain's most distinguished philosopher."

Professor Antony Flew.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           jamie@voyager.net "Jamie McCarthy" writes:

 
> Note very carefully what Mr. Baron says here.  The quote above is
> complete, by the way.
> 
> The subject is Eichmann at his trial.  Not Eichmann before his capture.
> Not Eichmann during the Holocaust itself.  Eichmann at trial.
> 
> Now, Holocaust-deniers usually say that all confessions given at trials
> about the Holocaust are invalid because the confessor was trying to get
> a lighter sentence, or was trying to get freed.  They ignore that the
> confessor in question often continued to confirm the facts of the
> Holocaust after being found guilty and having sentence pronounced.
> 
> As we shall see, Mr. Baron follows exactly the same course.
> 
> On October 15th, I replied to him by quoting Eichmann's last statement
> to the court _after_ being sentenced to death.  And I pointed out this
> fact in the article I wrote:
> 
> > That was Eichmann's last speech to the court in Jerusalem, on December
> > 13th, 1961, after being condemned to death by hanging.
> 
> On October 24th, Mr. Baron replied to me.  But he apparently had missed
> the fact that the quotation was Eichmann speaking after, not before,
> sentence had been pronounced.  Mr. Baron wrote me:
> 
> > >    I was unfortunate enough to have been mixed up in these horrors.
> > >    But, these misdeeds were not of my own doing.  It was not my desire
> > >    to kill people.  These mass murders are solely the consequence of
> > >                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >    the Fuehrer's policy.
> > >    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > 
> > Please sir, it wasn't me.
> >    
> > >    The Judge asked me if I wished to plead guilty, as had Hoess, the
> > >    Auschwitz commander and the Governor General of Poland, Frank.  Both
> > >    had the same reason for acting as they did:  Frank, responsible for
> > >    the orders they had given, was afraid of being accused by his
> > >    subordinates, while Hoess was the one who had actually carried out
> > >                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >    the mass exterminations.
> > >    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >    
> > >    My position is different.
> > 
> > 
> > Hoess did it, not me.
> 

Eichmann was kidnapped by the world's most ruthless security service, whose 
later crimes include the 1973 murder of an innocent Moroccan waiter in
Lillehammer. To what extent Eichmann was brainwashed I wouldn't like to say, 
but anyone who takes this trial seriously should also take at face value
the Moscow show trials.

 
> My question is this, Mr. Baron:
> 
> Why would you accept his statements _before_ being sentenced to death
> as proof of the Holocaust, when you've already said that his statements
> _after_ sentencing are "too silly to comment on"?


No.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Harry Mazal - Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article <46v3ds$crf@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> >  In article <46n1fi$95e@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
> >             jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
> >
> [Text deleted]
>   
> >   
> >  > Talk about "shifting the ground." Mr. Mazal has never made reference
> >  > to any of the lawsuits against your bookstore defendants.

Harry, this very day you have claimed that I sued "honorable" companies
which settled on the advice of their insurance companies.
  
> >  I am still in litigation with several of the defendants.
> 
> Oh really? Apart from the Editor of _Searchlight_ which other suits are
> pending:
> 
> 1) Is the suit against Mr. Michael Whine still pending?

This will be reissued next year.


> 2) Is the Suit against the Board of Deputies still pending?

There never was one!

> 3) Is the suit against the Editor of _The Jewish Chronicle_ still pending?
> 
> 4) Is the suit against the Commisioner of Police still pending?
> 
> The answer is _no_. Mr. Baron dropped the suits and was forced
> to reimburse the above for court costs. Will Mr. Baron address this
> matter pr will he continue to evade? 

Harry, there was only one suit. If you bring an action against 6 parties,
that is one suit.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Harry Mazal - Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article <46v449$crf@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> Mr. Baron's unwanted and boorish familiarity continues. He did, 
> however, sue the BOD.  Perhaps we can end this charade soon and
> reveal Mr. Baron. 

He who asserts must prove. You cannot prove that because it never
happened. Apology please.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Harry Mazal - Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article <46v4ne$crf@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> How odd. In a previous post Mr. Baron admitted to paying someting like
> 1300 Pounds for legal costs after withdrawing his suit against a decent
> and upright citizen of Great Britain.  

If you are referring to Mike Whine as a decent and upright citizen, here are
a few facts about him and his organisation.

In 1983 his "defence committee" tried to have loony leftist Ken Livingstone
prosecuted for condemning Zionist atrocities.

In September 1993 he tried to have me prosecuted for condemning Zionist
atrocities.

In 1991 and 1994 his organisation succeeded in dragging an 80 year old woman
into court for publishing absurd anti-Semitica.

Earlier this year he endorsed a certain Jewish anti-fascist to the Jewish
Chronicle even though this man has been exposed as a notorious liar by yours
truly.

His organisation has persistently smeared me and covered up for David
Irving.

Nice, upstanding citizen.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:

 
> Perhaps the police considered that the source of this report is you, a known 
> nutcase?  

I furthered photocopies to the Police Commissioner; I was subsequently informed
by Special Branch that originals had been collected. Anyone who sends me a
couple of IRCs or small dollar donation can see for himself the true nature
of these publications.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46uesm$68g@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> In message <814660009snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> - Alexander Baron  That's not what I hear from very good sources.
> 
> The way to resolve this is simply to respond to the several questions put by 
> Mr. Mazal on this subject.

I have official documentation on this, and including on the incitements to 
murder. Harry has hot air and has been briefed by liars. Nuff said.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46tci3$46a@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

 
> Okay, Mr. Baron--I give up.  I will no longer ask you to support your 
> claims, as you obviously have no interest in doing so and no idea what
> such support would entail.  From now on, you go in the heap with Miltie
> and Griswold--just another halfwit antisemite for verbal target practice.

The "evidence" adduced by Kitty Hart is on a par with the evidence that

a) Jews practise ritual murder (less so in fact because we have confession 
evidence. As far as I know, no SS man has ever admitted to throwing a gassed 
baby into an oven).

b) the belief that AIDS was created in the laboratory by the US government 
as part of a sinister plot to exterminate blacks

c) for the Loch Ness Monster

d) for JFK killing Marilyn Monroe.

It is not evidence; in fact it is probably not even hearsay, it may be
that this story was not concocted until Hart's book was commissioned. 
If you pay any attention to this sort of nonsense then you must give 
similar credence to any historical myth or nonsense, that is not history.
It is fantasy. And fear of being branded anti-Semitic.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 30 15:49:15 PST 1995
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article  t08o@unb.ca "MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY" writes:

 
> Try this use of it, Al:
> 
> 
> Which of the following provides the simplest explanation for the observed 
> data?
> 
> 1)  In the 1930s and 1940s Nazi Germany implemented a policy of eliminating
>     "undesirables" through various means that included gas chambers, or
> 
> 2)  Since 1945 there has been a vast conspiracy of people of every type of
>     ethnic background to create a false historiography based on a mass
>     delusion of millions of people.  This conspiracy has created thousands
>     of forged documents and coerced thousands of witnesses to give its
>     version of history and, since 1945, has not allowed a *single* one of
>     its participants to blow the whistle, even the ones it has caused to be
>     given death penalties.


 
> Where's Occam's Razor there now, Mr. Baron?


The same argument can be used for flying saucers. Either flying saucers exist
or a vast conspiracy has been concocted by members of the public, various
UFO organisations and publications and the media to promote a belief in them.
In any case, your argument is flawed. No one bar exterminationists claims that
millions of people are involved in a conspiracy, and you do this simply to 
discredit people like me. Most people get their information from the media, and
if the media is wrong, so are they. The documents are not all forged, but
most of them do not say what Exterminationists believe (or want them) to say.
Many participants have "blown the whistle". Many people have denied exterminationa
and gassings. And now, in Germany, they can be thrown into gaol for it.

Was it a conspiracy that made people believe the Earth was flat, or that
evolution was wrong? No. It was disinformation and officially sanctioned 
lies backed up by the full coercive power of the state. Therein lies
Occam's Razor.




-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:


>Curious that you've never mentioned this before. Suddenly you 
> invent a new reason, one that makes no particular sense, why Hart's story 
> is so hard for you to believe. 

I haven't invented it. Try Lingens-Reiner, for example. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <46veqm$pe8@mn5.swip.net>
           stephane.bruchfeld@mailbox.swipnet.se "Stephane Bruchfeld" writes:
 
> May it be inquired what Professor Flew's words were?

He congratulated me in screwing money out of people who stock a certain
magazine. As a committed Libertarian Professor Flew has himself been 
smeared as a Nazi fellow traveller. Anyone who has ever met him will know 
how absurd this claim is. He is one of the few English people still
alive to have actually visited Nazi Germany, and he didn't like what he saw.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: I'm black I'm Oppressed!
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In article <46v6ea$dkk@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> 
> 
>  What you should do is lobby for the legalisation 
>   of crack, cocaine and heroin.
> 
> Does Mr. Baron indulge in the use of any of the above? Do his children?

No.

 
> Does he really believe that  legalization of these drugs will make the
> world a safer place for his children? 

Harry, when they start talking about defending your children they are 
really talking about destroying your rights.
 
> How successful was the British experiment that allowed drug users to
> obtain drugs at a low cost?

Heroin, concaine? Enlighten me.

> Enquiring minds wish to know.  Some Libertarians espouse this
> philosophy including my admired friend, Dr. Milton Friedman. 


More to the point, what right does a boring old fart like you have to tell
a black man that he has no right to sell drugs or a man of any race what
he mayt or may not shove up his own nose?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 30 15:49:17 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article <46v78h$dkk@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> It is rather odd that Mr. Baron should crow over what he deems to be 
> 'successful lawsuits.' One must ask if he tries to make his living, as
> many shabby people in this country do, by suing honorable companies
> whose insurance companies prefer to settle than spend weeks in idle
> litigation.
> 
> Oh dear. Mr. Baron might find the word 'shabby' displeasing. Perhaps
> he should sue me. He has my address...

No Harry, I find the word honorable displeasing in this context, especially
when you appear to be referring to two bookshops which stock queer porn and
hate literature that incites the murders of politicians, policemen and judges.
Is that your idea of honorable?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <46v8lg$dvn@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:


> After reading his comments, can anyone doubt that Mr. Baron is a boor,
> a confabulator, a racist, and an anti-Semite?  If he does not like the
> sobriquets, perhaps he should sue me. 
 
> And, after re-reading his own pitiful attempt to explain the dreadful
> mess he has gotten into, does he not wish he had kept quiet or at least
> pondered his answer more carefully?

Harry, I have two court orders in my favour, other people's money in my 
pocket and more to come. Confabulation is what you do; you could even give
Kitty Hart a few lessons.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <199510271456.PAA20870@utopia.hacktic.nl>
           byersl@ucsu.colorado.edu "Western" writes:
 
> >Mr. Farrakahan,
> 
> >My name is Rufus Washington.  I am a 25 year old oppressed black man.
> >I dropped out of school at 14  to pursue a career in dealing drugs,
> >and I have been in and out of jail ever since. 

You are oppressed, Mr Washington. Specifically you are oppressed by a system
that turns you into an outlaw by criminalising your legitimate business of
providing willing buyers - black and white - with a narcotic substance for 
recreational use. The very same system criminalised Al Capone 70 years ago
for providing a similar public service. It is not racism but mass hysteria
and collective psychosis. What you should do is lobby for the legalisation 
of crack, cocaine and heroin.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <199510271456.PAA20870@utopia.hacktic.nl>
           byersl@ucsu.colorado.edu "Western" writes:
 
> >Mr. Farrakahan,
> 
> >My name is Rufus Washington.  I am a 25 year old oppressed black man.
> >I dropped out of school at 14  to pursue a career in dealing drugs,
> >and I have been in and out of jail ever since. 

You are oppressed, Mr Washington. Specifically you are oppressed by a system
that turns you into an outlaw by criminalising your legitimate business of
providing willing buyers - black and white - with a narcotic substance for 
recreational use. The very same system criminalised Al Capone 70 years ago
for providing a similar public service. It is not racism but mass hysteria
and collective psychosis. What you should do is lobby for the legalisation 
of crack, cocaine and heroin.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 31 09:00:21 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:


> Ah.  Then you admit that this talk about what your lawyers will or won't let 
> you say was another Baron Lie(tm).
> 
> Amazing.  Not that any of this would be true, mind, but amazing that you'd 
> admit it.  


No, stupid. I have a lawyer who is acting for me on two other matters, my
claim against the police and a claim for criminal injuries. I decided also
to take procedural advice. I do all my own drafting, affidavits etc, but
the law of libel is so incredibly complex that it is extremely difficult
for a litigant in person. Most people are surprised I've got this far. The
rest are worried about how far I will get.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

 
> This is but one of many such examples - once, Baron confused
> the gas chambers of Treblinka and Auschwitz.

Dan, I've read the War Refugee Board Report intently, and I know the 
alleged layout of these "gas chambers". In spite of the numerous contradictions.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           bforest@bliss.demon.co.uk "Bruce Forest" writes:

> Howdy..

Howdy. Your posting is a tissue of distortions.
 
> After observing the Mazal/Baron war for the past months, I just thought an
> opinion might be in order. IMHO, Baron is a PITA litigious anti-Semite. As
> a journalist/author of sorts, he uses the Crown Courts to gain needed
> publicity, although I never heard of him before alt.revisionism. 

Do you know what allegations I am suing over? If you don't, hold your tongue.


>In the UK, monetary awards are not decided by
> a jury, but instead calculated by a complicated process called
> Quantitative, and they relate to actual loss rather than the whims of a
> jury. 85k for a civil damages suit is enormous by British standards.

Wrong.

 
> Libel and slander cases in the UK border on the comical. While the Crown
> Prosecution Service is well known for refusing to prosecute rapists, 

The CPS NEVER prosecutes rapists because no rapist is ever prosecuted.
ALLEGED rapists are prosecuted. The CPS will not bring a case unless it has
a reasonable chance, or unless there is meaningful evidence.

>those
> who assault, and major criminals, people like William Roache (a popular
> soap opera character 'Ken Barlow') are awarded large sums for being called
> 'boring.' 

You cannot compare the civil law with the criminal law.

It would seem Mr Baron's suits are about on the same level, and
> appropriately, seem to be successful. In the US, his cases would be
> laughed out of court. Mr Baron's frivolous litigation is unmentioned in
> the UK press, AFAIK, and has little if any impact beyond Mr Barons wallet.

How can you call my litigation frivolous if you don't know what it is about?


> Mr Baron's vituperative replies to posts here usually consist of rebuttal
> by 'you can't really believe that is possible, do you?" logic. That is
> usually the crux of his rebuttal: his own opinions and values, sans
> evidence.

In a court of law, EVIDENCE is required. In an English court, hearsay is
not evidence.

> It also seems strange to me that Mr Baron kept tantalizing us with
> "October 22!!!", but he disappeared on the day before, and only reappeared
> three days ago, on demon's server. Why the absence? It all goes to
> credibility, which Mr Baron is losing fast, IMHO.

The problem is your server; I've been on every day.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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A while ago I reported that the Jewish Chronicle for June 13, 1947, 
claimed the discovery of Nazi documents that showed that Hitler planned 
to exterminate 330,000 Jews in Britain and 865,000 in France. 
What happened to this mysterious document? If it ever existed, I asked.
Someone replied that to the effect that Baron was an ignoramus because
he didn't recognise the Wannsee Protocol.

Will someone be so kind as to tell me exactly where in the Wannsee Protocol
the extermination of 330,000 British Jews, or any Jews at all is mooted?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 31 09:00:24 PST 1995
Article: 13290 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Re
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In article <46v5dj$crf@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:
 
>  He must be aware that the questions that have been posed are backed by
> evidence

You have no evidence Harry; you accused me of suing the Board of Deputies;
you said I paid money to the Jewish Chronicle. In fact the only time money
has passed between myself and the Jewish Chronicle is when they paid me 50 
pounds for a story about David Irving, which they then suppressed. They then
smeared ME as an anti-Semite and protected Irving.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 31 09:03:06 PST 1995
Article: 13301 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust -
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In article <471c4h$hla@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> The 'great' Libertarian is asking a question that is too silly for words.
>  Perhaps
> he should see what Treasury Notes are used for, among other instruments of
> debt.   Mr. Baron should consult with Prof. Buchanan, one of the
> more brilliant analysts of the American debt. Or, easier
> yet, read any of the many publications issued (in English) by the Cato
> Institute.

Who owns the debt, Harry? If the country is 4 trillion in debt, someone is
owed 4 trillion. Who?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 31 09:03:07 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <471h96$kui@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

 
> >  Two of the so-called respectable bookshops in this case were found by me to
> >  be stocking newspapers that incite the murders of policemen and that harass
> >  Conservative MPs (including Jewish MPs).

You haven't answered the question, Harry. If one of my (so-called) Nazis friends
were to sell in his bookshop a newspaper on the front cover of which was a 
photograph of a group of rabbis and the legend "execute these scumbags" you
and your friends at Woburn House would scream your heads off. This is one
of the publications that was on sale at Centerprise Bookshop - a registered
charity. Inciting the murder of Britain's judges.

Do you approve of that? Do you think such people are respectable?
I've answered your questions, now you answer mine.

Do you understand what the word libel means?
Do you understand what the word defamation means?
Do you realise that in English law an allegation of criminal activity is
prima facie libellous and is therefore actionable?
If you did, Harry, or if you ascertained the facts before opening your big 
mouth, you might not have made so many reckless allegations against me. Dig?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Article: 13303 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More of Baron's Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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In article <471onm$gap@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

>     Why are you suddenly accepting photographs at face value?  Had it been
> piles of corpses, you would have been demanding, "Prove they weren't
> forged!  Prove they weren't staged!" 

Who said I was! These photographs were taken by the Red Cross and published
in a magazine in England during the war. They were of real, identified people.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 31 09:04:31 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Oh where, oh where, has Al Baron gone?  Oh where, oh where can he be?
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In article <470anp$2lhu@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> And I will apologise again when you clearly set out your position on the 
> Holocaust.

I believe there is evidence - but no proof of gassings; evidence - but no proof
of an extermination programme. And that we have all been told a great many lies.

The fact that otherwise highly intelligent people in this newsgroup are making 
fools of themselves trying to defend a ridiculous canard about a baby 
surviving a gassing and then being thrown into an oven by a sadistic SS man
is living proof of how desperate the Exterminationist lobby has become, and 
the depths to which the Revisionists have made them sink with their
irrefutable analyses.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 31 18:06:44 PST 1995
Article: 13360 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article  t08o@unb.ca "MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY" writes:

 
> >> Where's Occam's Razor there now, Mr. Baron?
> 
> 
> >The same argument can be used for flying saucers. Either flying saucers exist
> >or a vast conspiracy has been concocted by members of the public, various
> >UFO organisations and publications and the media to promote a belief in them.
> 
> 
> Let us try and be REALLY basic about this so you can understand.
> 
> The Difference Between UFOs and Extermination Camps
> 
> 
> subject                    UFO                    camp
> 
> 1. physical evidence      none                    much

wrong! there is film, including film of aliens!

> 
> 2. documentary evidence   none                    much
>    by perpetrators        

wrong! There are official documents, including the MJ-12 documents, which
Philip Klass has proved to be forged.

> 3. testimony by           none                    much
>    perpetrators

Only because they escaped!

> 4. non-participant        none (of abductions)    many
>    witnesses     

quite a few: the Walton incident, Adamski's perjured witnesses.

> So, for the last time, will you *please* stop trying to compare the two 
> because they are *not* comparable.

Oh yes they are. There is a difference of scale, but the real analogy is that
the media - and many other people - keep repeating lies. 

 
> But think about what you are a proponant of for a moment.  In order for your 
> version of history to be the correct one you *by necessity* have to admit to 
> the existance of a vast conspiracy that has, for the past fifty years, 
> actively conspired to suppress the true story.  Otherwise you can not claim 
> your position is the least bit tenable.  I admit my millions may have been a 
> bit of hyperbole, but only a bit.  

How many millions of people does it take to pass and enforce laws making
Revisionism illegal? How many people does it take to freeze Revisionists out
of the media and academia? Not many. This has happened.

 
> Name one who has "blown the whistle" who was involved and blew it where it 
> can be demonstrated that they were not doing it for personal benefit.  Name 
> *ONE*

Many "perpetrators" have denied it. In fact most of them blamed other people.
The judge at the Auschwitz trial said he had yet to meet anyone who had
done anything at Auschwitz!

  
> First, there was no concerted attempt to indicate that evolution was wrong,
> there was however disagreement when it came out. 

You've never heard of the Scopes trial? 

 by the late 1400s most educated people knew fully well the 
> Earth was round.  There was no concerted effort to deny that either.  Guess 
> you need to learn more history.

Galileo (1564-1642). No concerted effort?
 
Be constructive and present your interpretation 
> of the evidence, *all* the evidence and tell us what happened.  Do that and 
> you can compare yourself to Darwin and Columbus.

And Harry and company will still compare me with Streicher.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 31 18:06:45 PST 1995
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In article <473fbn$4g3@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> No Jew, to my knowledge, has ever confessed to "ritual murder" except
> under torture. 

Wrong!

> There is no documentary evidence, bar proven forgeries,
> of Jewish ritual murder.  

Wrong!
>There is no physical evidence of Jewish ritual
> murder.  

Wrong!

>There are no eyewitnesses to any act of Jewish ritual murder.

Wrong!

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 31 18:06:46 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Harry Mazal - Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:

 
> You know, I think you really believe this.  Amazing.  

You want me to E-mail you the proof?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Harry Mazal - Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article <473l1c$l3b@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> >  
> >  If you are referring to Mike Whine as a decent and upright citizen, here are
> >  a few facts about him and his organisation.
> >  
> >  In September 1993 he tried to have me prosecuted for condemning Zionist
> >  atrocities.

That's the truth. If you don't believe me, consult the Jewish Chronicle for
September 10, 1993, page 12.   
> 
>   That's a lie.  
> 
>    
> >  Earlier this year he endorsed a certain Jewish anti-fascist to the Jewish
> >  Chronicle even though this man has been exposed as a notorious liar by yours
> >  truly.
> >
>    Any decent person would consider a statement like that from you as a ringing 
> endorsement.

The truth lies in the Jewish Chronicle archive.

I have copious documentation on all my allegations against the slime of Organised
Jewry which I will despatch gratis to anyone who sends me a donation for postage
and photocopying. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:

 
> Just keep shuffling your story around.  It's fine by me.  

It's when I come across people like you I can understand why anti-Semites
believe all the things they do about Jews. You twist, distort and lie with
impunity, spread your lies to the world, and when you are refuted, scream
anti-Semitism. Again, I have a lawyer whom I consult for procedural advice.
I have also been advised that it may not be a bad idea to reinvest some of my
recent windfall in professional legal advice.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 31 18:06:48 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: A Challenge to All Revisionists: Can You Do It?
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In article  t08o@unb.ca "MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY" writes:

> A recent reply I made to Mr. Baron has reminded me of a challenge I made 
> sometime back that was never taken up.  Now I know why it was not taken up, 
> and you denier types know why you didn't take it up, but for the new people 
> on both sides and the spectators, let us try it again.
> 
> 
> ********************THE CHALLENGE**************************
> 
> 
> You forget that there is an accepted history of the Holocaust.
> You forget about nit-picking and semantic games.  Your challenge
> is to start from the beginning.
> 
> 
> Taking the evidence available, formulate YOUR version of what
> happened during that period.  

That's what I'm doing; it will take quite a bit of time to research. I've 
also got other things to do.

>Present a thesis that presents
> a reasonable, supportable and consistent theory about what
> did happen.  Some questions you have to answer might include
> the changes in populations before vs after the war, 

You mean the people who were bombed to death, emigrated, died of typhus
etc. We have to account for those?

>>Himmler's
> speeches, diaries of various Nazi government officials, 

You mean like: We'll wipe these sons of bitches off the face of the Earth.
And other war time rhetoric? We have to explain that?


> documents and the physical evidence.  

you mean the millions of bodies which were destroyed without trace? In other
words we have to explain why there is no evidence?


> For example, suggesting that around 6 million
> Jews were abducted by aliens is not reasonable.  Saying that
> they and their descendants are living in the former Soviet
> Union is not supportable since the rusting of the Iron Wall.

So perhaps we should find the names of these six million alleged Jews.
Do you think Yad Vashem will tell us?

> Saying on the one hand that the prisoners were well treated
> and then saying that the guards intentionally allowed them to
> starve is not consistent.

True: so we should reject the claims of Ella Lingens-Reiner for example who
said that:

a wardress gave her gifts and allowed her to write special letters to her 
young son AND sent people to the gas chambers.

> Imagine the humiliation of the "Exterminationists".

Imagine the accolades from Yad Vashem, the ADL and the Wiesenthal Center; when 
they realise I am right they will shout: "Hooray, Baron is not an anti-Semite
after all, he's an iconoclast. How could we have been so blind and so stupid?"

Whoo knows, they might even nominate me for the Nobel Prize.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



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