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From: Alexander Baron 
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I'm sure I posted this article a couple of days ago but it doesn't
seem to have got through. And another, longer comment. Strange?

>In article <9507020636.AA18969@lems24.lems.brown.edu> you write:

>> A few days ago, Baron posted a long article which contained 
>> Eli Wiesel's testimony about some people being burned alive in 
>> the "cremation ditches" in Auschwitz, and quoted Faurisson:
>
>
The point you miss Dr Keren (it is Dr, isn't it?) is that Wiesel said
he saw a lorry draw up and watched its load, children, thrown into the
flames before his very eyes. This did not happen, certainly not at
Auschwitz. This was a post-war invention of Wiesel's sick mind. Dr Gisella
Perl also suffered from similar delusions.
>
If you don't believe me, consult the contemporary reports. Even that arch-liar
Rudolph Vrba didn't claim this.

Faurisson did not lie, what he said is that it is no longer claimed that 
people were thrown into the fire the same way that it is still claimed that
they were sent to the gas chambers, hundreds at a time.

Wiesel lied. He did not see any lorry draw up and disgorge its load of 
young children into the flames; this is a product of his sick mind.
Have you ever considered how you would throw hundreds of people into a
ditch at a time. Wouldn't some of them jump out? Wouldn't there be a riot?

This story is almost as ridiculous as the claims that Jews were ushered
into the gas chambers with a towel and a bar of soap apiece.


-- 
Alexander Baron


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From: Alexander Baron 
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June 13, 1995

Dear Harry Mazal,

Enclosed are pages 122, 123, 127, 128, 129 & 131 of the offending 
book together with a detailed critique of it from the Second 
Edition of my book - which won't be published until next year if 
ever. Wilhelm Staglich has made some comment on the Red Cross 
report in his book $Auschwitz: A Judge Looks At The Evidence$. For 
the record, I feel that Staglich's book is quite possibly the 
best book on this subject ever written, better even than Butz, 
and an honest - if deceived - man like yourself could do far 
worse than read it.

Re the current enclosure, compare what Suzman and Diamond say 
with Sereny $New Statesman$, November 2, 1979 and $Encyclopedia of 
the Holocaust$, volume 2, page 685. This is really not a difficult 
subject, the simply fact is that these people lie through their 
teeth and every time they're caught with their hand in the till 
they scream anti-Semitic. What else can they do when the lies are 
both so frequent and so blatant?

Recently I wrote a lengthy letter to a distinguished philosopher 
- which I'll E-mail you if you promise to keep it confidential. 
This, like my $Public Reply To The Ongoing Libels Of Organised 
Jewry$, exposes them for what they are.

When they yell and scream about anti-Semitism it is their own 
vested interest and officially sanctioned lies they are protect-
ing. They don't really give a monkey's about the Jews, including 
you, anymore than they do about the rest of mankind.

All the contemporaneous "proofs" of the Holocaust have now been 
either thoroughly discredited or quietly forgotten, especially 
the War Refugee Board Report. New "proofs" are having to be 
invented. It is not the Revisionists who have rewritten the 
history of this tragic period, but the Zionists, Organised Jewry 
generally, the Communists, and not least the Allies. This is what 
all the hysteria is about.

If you want to discuss this more fully by E-Mail I will be happy 
to. I have nothing to hide; I am not the one who is forever 
clamouring for censorship and state repression. No Revisionist 
is. It's you who have been conned, Harry, you who are the victim. 
Now that you've seen at least part of the truth you can either 
join us - with all the social ostracism, vilification and perse-
cution that entails - or side with your deceivers.

Yours sincerely,
A Baron



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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I've posted all this stuff because - I've finally realised that I've been
making a fool of myself by misposting to private mail. If there is any
duplication here I apologise.

Appended is an appendix to my - possibly forever? - unpublished Second Edition.
Now Harry, what about those fake photographs and Zionist sponsored lies?


Appendix I: The "Trust Me, I'm A Lawyer"
Technique Of Anti-Revisionism


$SIX MILLION DID DIE: the truth shall prevail$ was first published 
in South Africa in October 1976, and, according to the $PREFACE 
TO THE SECOND EDITION$, "was widely commended as a significant legal 
and historical contribution to the study of the Holocaust". (1) I 
purchased this book in 1982 or 1983 on my first and only visit to 
the Libertarian Bookshop in London. Needless to say, just because 
a book is sold by Libertarians doesn't mean its authors have any commitment 
to individual liberty. The authors of this whining, wailing polemic 
are two leading South African Zionists: Arthur Suzman and Denis Diamond; 
the subtitle is of course an unfortunate irony, as is the orange sticker 
which appears on the front cover: $NEW EDITION WITH FURTHER FACTS$ 
it proclaims, but like all anti-Revisionist literature it promises 
far more than it delivers.
  The book itself is "DEDICATED to THE MEMORY of THE MARTYRED MILLIONS". 
A martyr is someone who dies for his beliefs; if one accepts the Exterminationist 
hypothesis, then the victims of Nazism died not for their beliefs, 
but for those of their persecutors.
  On page 5 the authors list the $falsifications and distortions$ 
used by Richard Harwood in $Did Six Million Really Die?;$ one 
of these is the fake photographs. Here is what Messrs Suzman and Diamond 
have to say about this.
  "Harwood alleges that the numerous films and photographs depicting 
Nazi atrocities are faked. He purports to establish this by two photographs...He 
states that the origin of the first photograph is unknown and alleges 
that the second is a montage, in which a photograph of a heap of corpses 
has been superimposed on the foreground of the first photograph.
  The first photograph in fact was actually produced in evidence at 
the major Nuremberg Trial." (2)
  The authors seem to think this is some kind of refutation, but they 
have not answered the question! One version of this photograph is 
reproduced on page 128 with the caption $"A policy of deliberate 
and systematic starvation"$. As there are (at least?) two versions 
of this photograph, at least one of them must be a fake. And in any 
case, such photographs do not prove that the German High Command enforced 
a policy of deliberate and systematic starvation; read the current 
writer's comments on Belsen, (pages 61-2). 
  Suzman and Diamond list other footage of films which they claim 
to be genuine, of which no doubt some, or even the vast majority, 
are, but what do they prove? On the adjacent page for example they 
reproduce two photographs with the caption "Belsen - From the film 
exhibited at the Eichmann Trial." (3)
  But again, what is this supposed to prove? That Jews were exterminated 
at Belsen? The scenes of bodies being bulldozed or buried in mass 
graves are truly horrifying, but were these people $exterminated$? 
The answer is of course - and for the Nth time - an emphatic NO! So 
however many genuine films they exhibit of Belsen, Dachau, etc, the 
victims of typhus epidemics or mass starvation at a time when the 
German people themselves were on the verge of starvation, is not even 
$prima facie$ evidence of an extermination programme. It should 
not be necessary to keep repeating this, but unfortunately it is. 
The detractors of Holocaust Revisionism simply do not appreciate the 
ludicrousness of their arguments. (4) On the one hand they admit that 
there were no exterminations at Belsen, etc, then, virtually in the 
same breath, they point to the terrible scenes of mass graves at these 
camps and claim, or infer, that this is $prima facie$ evidence 
of genocide. And still they do not tackle the subject of fake photographs, 
instead they brazenly reproduce other fakes which they use as $evidence$ 
to support their claims! 
  On page 82, the authors reproduce three archive photographs with 
the caption "After removing their clothing, they were shot...and the 
bodies were buried in trenches". Udo Walendy reproduces one of these 
photographs in his book and proves that it is in fact a drawing! (5) 
Other fake photographs also appear on page 102 - (pages 26 and 27 
in Walendy's book); page 96 - (pages 14 and 15, Walendy); page 92 
- (page 66, Walendy). (6) Somebody is telling lies about the Holocaust. 
Not just Zionists, and not just Jews! (7)
  There is a lot of comment on Harwood's $falsification of statistics$. 
We have already dealt with this in the chapter on the demographics 
of the Holocaust. (8) The current writer does not believe that Mr 
Verrall deliberately falsified any statistics concerning the numbers 
of war dead. I will only repeat Dr Butz's earlier comment that all 
published statistics are (more or less) meaningless in the sense that 
they can be used to prove whatever the researcher wants. It is only 
natural that Verrall would select statistics which strengthen his 
case; Exterminationists and true believers in the Holocaust do the 
same. 
  There is some comment too on what the authors call $The Spurious 
Attack on the Authenticity of the Diary of Anne Frank$. Again, this 
appears to have been a genuine mistake over the lawsuit between Meyer 
Levin and Otto Frank, and shows the extreme care that must be taken 
by all researchers into any aspect of Holocaust lore.
  On page 16 under the heading $Falsification of Conditions in 
the Concentration Camps$ they refer to the book $Under Two Dictators$, 
by Margarete Buber. The substance of their claim is that Harwood (Verrall) 
has quoted passages selectively. 
  "In 1944 a second crematorium was built on the other side of the 
bunkers and the black stinking smoke which belched out of the chimneys 
became one of the ordinary features of the Ravensbrueck scene...The 
overseers and SS men were fond of telling us that the only way we 
should ever leave Ravensbrueck would be 'up the chimney'." 
  This sounds remarkably like the origin of Gitta Sereny's claim (see 
Appendix L), which was related to non-extermination camps. Again there 
is the nonsense about the black smoke belching out: again, consult 
someone who works in a crematorium. (9)
  Leaving this aside though, Margate Buber's book $UNDER TWO DICTATORS$ 
is certainly worth reading, and Harwood's claim that it paints an 
entirely different picture of life in a Nazi concentration camp from 
the one generally perceived is substantially correct. The reader is 
referred to Appendix N for an overview of it.
  Although Suzman and Diamond's book runs to over a hundred and thirty 
pages, it says little of merit. Basically it is all depositions from 
$reputable$ historians, like the establishment dupe Hugh Trevor-Roper 
about what a terrible time the Jews had in the Second World War and 
how much they suffered. Trevor-Roper's contribution is not worth the 
paper it is printed on, but for him, sadly, this is nothing new. (10) 
There is a spurious attempt to justify the Nuremberg Trials backed 
up by quotes from Lord Shawcross and Lord Elwyn-Jones, both of whom 
have a vested interest in traducing the facts. Even if their comments 
are sincere, they tell us nothing about the treatment of the prisoners. 
The testimony of Albert Speer (pages 61-3), is worth even less. All 
the testimony about the conditions in Appendix IV is worthless, especially 
the photograph on page 128 (which we have already encountered). On 
page 91 they quote with satisfaction the $evidence$ of Rudolph 
Hoss. But it is page 73 which contains the most significant statement 
in this book, and the one for which all this verbose garbage is nothing 
but sophistic window dressing.
  "Freedom of expression, though fundamental, is not absolute." writes 
co-author Suzman. "It entitles to criticise and to question - it does 
not entitle to pervert the truth. It does not entitle, by falsehood 
and deceit, to inflame racial animosity."  
  You can be sure that this is not a condemnation of the fake photographs 
and other lying anti-German hate propaganda which has been spewed 
out by Suzman's co-racialists since 1945. And it most certainly does 
not include the photograph on page 122 of Suzman and Diamond's book 
which is captioned "$Victims of the$ [non-existent] $Dachau gas chamber lie piled to the ceiling in the crematorium.$" Surely this is an 
obvious incitement against the Germans? What Suzman is saying is, 
in essence, the same thing as the Board of Deputies of "British" Jews, 
the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith and a plethora of other 
Jewish and Zionist organisations have been saying for as long as anyone 
can remember. Ban the Nazis, ban the anti-Semites, stop them spreading 
these awful stories about us wonderful Jews. And of course, $they$ 
decide who is a Nazi, who is an anti-Semite and what constitutes $truth$. 
Suzman and Diamond's book is living proof of their and all Zionists' 
commitment to historical truth, or rather the lack of it. This idea 
of free speech to say whatever the Jews permit us to say has always 
seemed novel to me, and indeed to most Libertarians and everybody 
on the so-called extreme right. Needless to say, Suzman and Diamond 
do not think it a novel idea at all, nor does the vast majority of 
the Jewish establishment, either in their native South Africa, Britain 
or anywhere else. Which is the principal reason they see and experience 
so much $anti-Semitism$. "If you are not with us, you are against 
us. If you do not allow us to trample all over you, then you must 
be anti-Semitic." If this perverted logic weren't so tragic, it would 
be laughable.

Letter To The Authors Of
"Six Million Did Die"


The following is the text of a letter which was posted to the authors 
of $Six Million Did Die$, in January 1983. Spelling mistakes 
etc, have been corrected, and the writer's name concealed, apart from 
that, this is a faithful reproduction. Needless to say, no reply was 
ever received. [The layout of the text has been preserved as closely 
as possible.]



MR. Arthur Suzman Q.C. and
MR. Denis Diamond. M.A.
831 Innes Chambers
Pritchard Street
Johannesburg
South Africa.                      Wednesday 19th January, 1983.

Dear Sirs,



           I have read your book "Six Million Did Die" (2nd Edition).
Firstly I would like to congratulate you on putting forward a powerful 
case without the hysteria and name calling which inevitably accompanies 
such works.
  I have read several 'Revisionist' books and on the surface the "Harwood" 
pamphlet is very convincing, at least to those, particularly young 
people, who have not made a detailed study of the Nazi Policy towards 
the Jews. Thank you for tearing it to shreds in such an objective 
and dispassionate manner. (11)
  Nevertheless, I would like to ask one or two questions and raise 
several points about your book which must be clarified. If you can 
satisfy me to these points, I shall be convinced for life of the baseness 
of the claims put forward by Butz and company.
1...According to 'Harwood' there were no gassings at Dachau camp.
Will you please clear up these points..(a) Was there a gas chamber 
at Dachau, (b) if so, were inmates, Jews or others gassed to death 
there, (c) if so, how many approximately?
2...According to one American newspaper ($Spotlight$, 24th September, 
1979), Mrs Simone Veil, nee Jacob, is listed as gassed at Auschwitz 
on April 16th, 1944, yet Mrs Veil in fact survived the war, and was 
formerly President of the European Parliament. Is this true? If so, 
how many other Jews less famous, are listed as gassed when in fact 
they survived?
3...I have also read in an openly anti-Semitic newspaper, ($National 
Vanguard$) that on October 6th, 1980, a German publication,$ 
Der Spiegel,$ wrote that the $Diary of Anne Frank$ is a fake. 
In particular that parts of the diary could not have been written 
until 1951. I have heard that there is more than one version of the 
diary. Is this true?
Having read the diary, once as a gullible youth, and then later with 
a little more critical judgement, I can honestly say that I do not 
believe it to be the work of a 13 year old girl. Do you consider it 
was written by an immature teenager? Incidentally, the world famous 
"Book of the Month Club" is now listing the diary as fiction. (11)
4...You devote almost your entire book to reviewing the Harwood ie. 
Verrall pamphlet, yet you give less than two pages to the book which 
was hailed (albeit by right wing extremists) as the definitive study 
of the subject and the standard work. Why?
I would not like to comment on the accuracy or otherwise of the Butz 
book, but it is a far more thorough book than the former.
5...The question of the validity of the War Crimes Trials has been 
raised; do you, Mr Suzman, as a Q.C., consider such trials, with the 
victors trying the vanquished, as impartial? Do you refute the charges 
that the Nazi prisoners at the Nuremberg Trials were tortured?  
6...The Eichmann trial...was Eichmann kidnapped by Mossad?...if so, 
do you consider his "voluntary" statements to have any merit?
7...The question of the authenticity of certain photographs has been 
raised; let us take for example the two photos which Harwood uses. 
You must agree that they cannot both be genuine? Now, the questions 
must be asked and answered: a) Why was it necessary to fake this photograph? 
and b) how many others are not genuine?
According to the German author and publisher, Udo Walendy, the following 
photos from "6 Million Did Die" are fakes.
The photo on page 82 of your book. The top one was first introduced 
into the Holocaust literature in 1960, and there are at least three 
versions of it; the photos on page 92 top and bottom, particularly 
the bottom one has been posed for; the photos on page 102 the author 
asserts prove nothing, they are produced without text, dates, names, 
etc and that many have been touched up. Others, he asserts are simply 
drawings or photographed paintings; I am not an expert so cannot offer 
professional comment either way, nevertheless, much of what he says 
could be true...comment please?
8...In your opinion how many people were murdered at Auschwitz?
I hope you will be kind enough to answer my questions, as I am at 
present preparing a text on the subject of what one Jewish historian 
has called "The men who whitewash Hitler", and I hope that you will 
be able to assist me in exposing this whitewash for what it really 
is.

Yours Faithfully,

If I recall, I signed the letter in my own name. This letter is, I 
am afraid, quite appalling. The original contained numerous spelling 
mistakes and errors of syntax which have been corrected here. [The 
layout of the text has been preserved as closely as possible.] Needless 
to say, the writer did not receive a reply nor even any acknowledgement; 
it was written, incidentally, at a time when I believed $The Diary 
Of Anne Frank$ to be a fake. When I am proved wrong I change my 
mind; when Suzman and Diamond and their kind are proved wrong (or, 
more often, liars) they denounce their protagonists as "anti-Semitic".



Appendix I: The "Trust Me, I'm A Lawyer"
Technique Of Anti-Revisionism


(1) $SIX MILLION DID DIE: the truth shall prevail$, NEW EDITION 
WITH FURTHER FACTS [sic], by Arthur Suzman and Denis Diamond, published 
by the South African Jewish Board of Deputies, Johannesburg, (1978), 
page xi.
(2) Suzman and Diamond, $Six Million Did Die$, pages 17-8, (ibid).
(3) Suzman and Diamond, $Six Million Did Die$, page 19, (ibid).
(4) Or perhaps they do!
(5) Walendy, $Forged War Crimes malign the German Nation$, pages 
18-9, (op cit). No publisher is credited for the English edition but 
it is copyright 1979 and is available from the nice Mr Hancock at 
Historical Review Press, Brighton, Sussex. Being a forger himself 
- of banknotes - Teflon Tony will certainly appreciate this little 
collection.
(6) Interestingly, the top photograph on page 92, exposed by Walendy 
as a fake, is reproduced by Professor Butz, (page 74, op cit), who 
accepts it as genuine! 
(7) This is a very important point and one that should be borne in 
mind by anti-Semites when they promote Holocaust Revisionism to further 
their own bizarre theories and less than honourable ends. If one studies 
Jewish history objectively, it becomes clear that the Jews do in fact 
have a long and dishonourable tradition of deception. But so do the 
British! And, after recent events in the Gulf, the trashing of Iraq, 
and, earlier, the campaign against Libya and its charismatic leader, 
Colonel Qathafi, a strong case can be made out for adding the Americans 
to this list. 
  But again, when one claims that the Americans are not to be trusted, 
that the British are deceitful, that the Jews are liars, one is not 
attacking the entire nation but principally the leaders. An attack 
on 'the Jews' is always wilfully misrepresented by philo-Semites, 
Jewish apologists, communists and of course, Jews themselves, and 
always for the same purpose: to stifle legitimate criticism.
  Returning to the Holocaust itself: such an enormous hoax - if indeed 
it is - could only have been perpetrated, and continue to be perpetrated 
to this day, by the willing co-operation of the Americans, the British, 
and other Western governments. Most of the people who continue to 
plug the proven lies of the Holocaust, be they Jews or Gentiles, are, 
like these two good ol' boys, uncomprehending dupes.
(8) The fact that this chapter is so short amounts to an admission 
by the current writer of the utter hopelessness of this approach.
(9) See in particular the current writer's detailed analysis of Kitty 
Hart in the chapter $More Holocaust Liars Exposed$.
(10) He was the sap who authenticated the Hitler diaries. Also, by 
the latter's admission/claim, he trained David Irving!
(11) This is more wishful thinking than compliment.
(12) I didn't read the diary cover to cover as a teenager though I'm 
fairly certain that I must have looked over it. Certainly I read Gerda 
Klein's book, and others besides.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
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           mstein@access1.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
> >If you check Mollo's PICTORIAL HISTORY OF THE SS you'll find another 
> >problem. After the liberation of Buchenwald, some photos were staged by
> >former inmates dressed in SS uniforms, tht is openly admitted.
> 
>     We were discussing the photo of open pit corpse burning at Auschwitz, 
> I thought.  Is it your contention that staged photos at Buchenwald prove 
> that an Auschwitz photo is a drawing?  Didn't you complain about Suzman 
> and Diamond showing piles of typhus victims at Belsen as proof of 
> gassings at Auschwitz?  Care to explain what's different?

Dear me, I thought we had made real progress, you even sent me a joke. The
fact that staged photos are recycled as the real McCoy proves that somebody
is being dishonest, Simon Wiesenthal in particular, he used one of these 
staged photos in a mass mailing to Germany. I've checked this out.

Obviously staged photos prove nothing, but the point is that they are 
recycled constantly without the proper credits. You should also ask yourself
why, if there are so many genuine photos, are so many dodgy ones recycled. You
should also ask yourself what the genuine ones really prove.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu "Benjamin Johnson" writes:
> 
> >>     More disturbing than the assertion that "When a grown-up man has
> >had
> >>intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when a girl is less
> >than
> >>this (three years old-footnote tells us), it is as if one puts the
> >finger
> >>into the eye, tears come to the eye again, so does virginity come back
> >to
> >>the little girl under three years." (Kethuboth 11b) is that of
> >Sanhedrin

This is complete bollocks. The quotes are accurate but the meaning has been
completely distorted. This is a passage which deals with the qualification of
virginity, ie if a young girl is violated, is she still considered a virgin
below a certain age?  Yes, that age is three. There are similar - and similarly 
boring - passages dealing with the age of seminal emission and the penalty
for falling off a ladder, landing on someone's head and killing him and 
other equally unlikely scenarios. The Talmud takes up about 8 feet of library
shelf with this turgid guff.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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           pankiewicz@sun1000.ci.pwr.wroc.pl "Jerzy Pankiewicz" writes:
> You bloody idiot. The experiments were made, not only on Jews, but
> also non-Jewish Poles. If you don't stop your ignorant postings 
> I'll try to find some Poles living in UK who would teach you 
> respect.
>                  Your truly,
>             Jerzy Pankiewicz

Like myself, Mr Roberts is a man who is less impressed by veiled - or in 
your case not so veiled - threats of violence than with well documented
arguments. Your proof by assertion will, I am sure, be rejected even by
Jamie McCarthy, who is hardly a Roberts apologist.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

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> >NO e-mail from Jews

Except your employer? The ADL perhaps?

-- 
Alexander Baron

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June 13, 1995

Dear Harry Mazal,

Enclosed are pages 122, 123, 127, 128, 129 & 131 of the offending 
book together with a detailed critique of it from the Second 
Edition of my book - which won't be published until next year if 
ever. Wilhelm Staglich has made some comment on the Red Cross 
report in his book $Auschwitz: A Judge Looks At The Evidence$. For 
the record, I feel that Staglich's book is quite possibly the 
best book on this subject ever written, better even than Butz, 
and an honest - if deceived - man like yourself could do far 
worse than read it.

Re the current enclosure, compare what Suzman and Diamond say 
with Sereny $New Statesman$, November 2, 1979 and $Encyclopedia of 
the Holocaust$, volume 2, page 685. This is really not a difficult 
subject, the simply fact is that these people lie through their 
teeth and every time they're caught with their hand in the till 
they scream anti-Semitic. What else can they do when the lies are 
both so frequent and so blatant?

Recently I wrote a lengthy letter to a distinguished philosopher 
- which I'll E-mail you if you promise to keep it confidential. 
This, like my $Public Reply To The Ongoing Libels Of Organised 
Jewry$, exposes them for what they are.

When they yell and scream about anti-Semitism it is their own 
vested interest and officially sanctioned lies they are protect-
ing. They don't really give a monkey's about the Jews, including 
you, anymore than they do about the rest of mankind.

All the contemporaneous "proofs" of the Holocaust have now been 
either thoroughly discredited or quietly forgotten, especially 
the War Refugee Board Report. New "proofs" are having to be 
invented. It is not the Revisionists who have rewritten the 
history of this tragic period, but the Zionists, Organised Jewry 
generally, the Communists, and not least the Allies. This is what 
all the hysteria is about.

If you want to discuss this more fully by E-Mail I will be happy 
to. I have nothing to hide; I am not the one who is forever 
clamouring for censorship and state repression. No Revisionist 
is. It's you who have been conned, Harry, you who are the victim. 
Now that you've seen at least part of the truth you can either 
join us - with all the social ostracism, vilification and perse-
cution that entails - or side with your deceivers.

Yours sincerely,
A Baron



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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I've posted all this stuff because - I've finally realised that I've been
making a fool of myself by misposting to private mail. If there is any
duplication here I apologise.

Appended is an appendix to my - possibly forever? - unpublished Second Edition.
Now Harry, what about those fake photographs and Zionist sponsored lies?


Appendix I: The "Trust Me, I'm A Lawyer"
Technique Of Anti-Revisionism


$SIX MILLION DID DIE: the truth shall prevail$ was first published 
in South Africa in October 1976, and, according to the $PREFACE 
TO THE SECOND EDITION$, "was widely commended as a significant legal 
and historical contribution to the study of the Holocaust". (1) I 
purchased this book in 1982 or 1983 on my first and only visit to 
the Libertarian Bookshop in London. Needless to say, just because 
a book is sold by Libertarians doesn't mean its authors have any commitment 
to individual liberty. The authors of this whining, wailing polemic 
are two leading South African Zionists: Arthur Suzman and Denis Diamond; 
the subtitle is of course an unfortunate irony, as is the orange sticker 
which appears on the front cover: $NEW EDITION WITH FURTHER FACTS$ 
it proclaims, but like all anti-Revisionist literature it promises 
far more than it delivers.
  The book itself is "DEDICATED to THE MEMORY of THE MARTYRED MILLIONS". 
A martyr is someone who dies for his beliefs; if one accepts the Exterminationist 
hypothesis, then the victims of Nazism died not for their beliefs, 
but for those of their persecutors.
  On page 5 the authors list the $falsifications and distortions$ 
used by Richard Harwood in $Did Six Million Really Die?;$ one 
of these is the fake photographs. Here is what Messrs Suzman and Diamond 
have to say about this.
  "Harwood alleges that the numerous films and photographs depicting 
Nazi atrocities are faked. He purports to establish this by two photographs...He 
states that the origin of the first photograph is unknown and alleges 
that the second is a montage, in which a photograph of a heap of corpses 
has been superimposed on the foreground of the first photograph.
  The first photograph in fact was actually produced in evidence at 
the major Nuremberg Trial." (2)
  The authors seem to think this is some kind of refutation, but they 
have not answered the question! One version of this photograph is 
reproduced on page 128 with the caption $"A policy of deliberate 
and systematic starvation"$. As there are (at least?) two versions 
of this photograph, at least one of them must be a fake. And in any 
case, such photographs do not prove that the German High Command enforced 
a policy of deliberate and systematic starvation; read the current 
writer's comments on Belsen, (pages 61-2). 
  Suzman and Diamond list other footage of films which they claim 
to be genuine, of which no doubt some, or even the vast majority, 
are, but what do they prove? On the adjacent page for example they 
reproduce two photographs with the caption "Belsen - From the film 
exhibited at the Eichmann Trial." (3)
  But again, what is this supposed to prove? That Jews were exterminated 
at Belsen? The scenes of bodies being bulldozed or buried in mass 
graves are truly horrifying, but were these people $exterminated$? 
The answer is of course - and for the Nth time - an emphatic NO! So 
however many genuine films they exhibit of Belsen, Dachau, etc, the 
victims of typhus epidemics or mass starvation at a time when the 
German people themselves were on the verge of starvation, is not even 
$prima facie$ evidence of an extermination programme. It should 
not be necessary to keep repeating this, but unfortunately it is. 
The detractors of Holocaust Revisionism simply do not appreciate the 
ludicrousness of their arguments. (4) On the one hand they admit that 
there were no exterminations at Belsen, etc, then, virtually in the 
same breath, they point to the terrible scenes of mass graves at these 
camps and claim, or infer, that this is $prima facie$ evidence 
of genocide. And still they do not tackle the subject of fake photographs, 
instead they brazenly reproduce other fakes which they use as $evidence$ 
to support their claims! 
  On page 82, the authors reproduce three archive photographs with 
the caption "After removing their clothing, they were shot...and the 
bodies were buried in trenches". Udo Walendy reproduces one of these 
photographs in his book and proves that it is in fact a drawing! (5) 
Other fake photographs also appear on page 102 - (pages 26 and 27 
in Walendy's book); page 96 - (pages 14 and 15, Walendy); page 92 
- (page 66, Walendy). (6) Somebody is telling lies about the Holocaust. 
Not just Zionists, and not just Jews! (7)
  There is a lot of comment on Harwood's $falsification of statistics$. 
We have already dealt with this in the chapter on the demographics 
of the Holocaust. (8) The current writer does not believe that Mr 
Verrall deliberately falsified any statistics concerning the numbers 
of war dead. I will only repeat Dr Butz's earlier comment that all 
published statistics are (more or less) meaningless in the sense that 
they can be used to prove whatever the researcher wants. It is only 
natural that Verrall would select statistics which strengthen his 
case; Exterminationists and true believers in the Holocaust do the 
same. 
  There is some comment too on what the authors call $The Spurious 
Attack on the Authenticity of the Diary of Anne Frank$. Again, this 
appears to have been a genuine mistake over the lawsuit between Meyer 
Levin and Otto Frank, and shows the extreme care that must be taken 
by all researchers into any aspect of Holocaust lore.
  On page 16 under the heading $Falsification of Conditions in 
the Concentration Camps$ they refer to the book $Under Two Dictators$, 
by Margarete Buber. The substance of their claim is that Harwood (Verrall) 
has quoted passages selectively. 
  "In 1944 a second crematorium was built on the other side of the 
bunkers and the black stinking smoke which belched out of the chimneys 
became one of the ordinary features of the Ravensbrueck scene...The 
overseers and SS men were fond of telling us that the only way we 
should ever leave Ravensbrueck would be 'up the chimney'." 
  This sounds remarkably like the origin of Gitta Sereny's claim (see 
Appendix L), which was related to non-extermination camps. Again there 
is the nonsense about the black smoke belching out: again, consult 
someone who works in a crematorium. (9)
  Leaving this aside though, Margate Buber's book $UNDER TWO DICTATORS$ 
is certainly worth reading, and Harwood's claim that it paints an 
entirely different picture of life in a Nazi concentration camp from 
the one generally perceived is substantially correct. The reader is 
referred to Appendix N for an overview of it.
  Although Suzman and Diamond's book runs to over a hundred and thirty 
pages, it says little of merit. Basically it is all depositions from 
$reputable$ historians, like the establishment dupe Hugh Trevor-Roper 
about what a terrible time the Jews had in the Second World War and 
how much they suffered. Trevor-Roper's contribution is not worth the 
paper it is printed on, but for him, sadly, this is nothing new. (10) 
There is a spurious attempt to justify the Nuremberg Trials backed 
up by quotes from Lord Shawcross and Lord Elwyn-Jones, both of whom 
have a vested interest in traducing the facts. Even if their comments 
are sincere, they tell us nothing about the treatment of the prisoners. 
The testimony of Albert Speer (pages 61-3), is worth even less. All 
the testimony about the conditions in Appendix IV is worthless, especially 
the photograph on page 128 (which we have already encountered). On 
page 91 they quote with satisfaction the $evidence$ of Rudolph 
Hoss. But it is page 73 which contains the most significant statement 
in this book, and the one for which all this verbose garbage is nothing 
but sophistic window dressing.
  "Freedom of expression, though fundamental, is not absolute." writes 
co-author Suzman. "It entitles to criticise and to question - it does 
not entitle to pervert the truth. It does not entitle, by falsehood 
and deceit, to inflame racial animosity."  
  You can be sure that this is not a condemnation of the fake photographs 
and other lying anti-German hate propaganda which has been spewed 
out by Suzman's co-racialists since 1945. And it most certainly does 
not include the photograph on page 122 of Suzman and Diamond's book 
which is captioned "$Victims of the$ [non-existent] $Dachau gas chamber lie piled to the ceiling in the crematorium.$" Surely this is an 
obvious incitement against the Germans? What Suzman is saying is, 
in essence, the same thing as the Board of Deputies of "British" Jews, 
the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith and a plethora of other 
Jewish and Zionist organisations have been saying for as long as anyone 
can remember. Ban the Nazis, ban the anti-Semites, stop them spreading 
these awful stories about us wonderful Jews. And of course, $they$ 
decide who is a Nazi, who is an anti-Semite and what constitutes $truth$. 
Suzman and Diamond's book is living proof of their and all Zionists' 
commitment to historical truth, or rather the lack of it. This idea 
of free speech to say whatever the Jews permit us to say has always 
seemed novel to me, and indeed to most Libertarians and everybody 
on the so-called extreme right. Needless to say, Suzman and Diamond 
do not think it a novel idea at all, nor does the vast majority of 
the Jewish establishment, either in their native South Africa, Britain 
or anywhere else. Which is the principal reason they see and experience 
so much $anti-Semitism$. "If you are not with us, you are against 
us. If you do not allow us to trample all over you, then you must 
be anti-Semitic." If this perverted logic weren't so tragic, it would 
be laughable.

Letter To The Authors Of
"Six Million Did Die"


The following is the text of a letter which was posted to the authors 
of $Six Million Did Die$, in January 1983. Spelling mistakes 
etc, have been corrected, and the writer's name concealed, apart from 
that, this is a faithful reproduction. Needless to say, no reply was 
ever received. [The layout of the text has been preserved as closely 
as possible.]



MR. Arthur Suzman Q.C. and
MR. Denis Diamond. M.A.
831 Innes Chambers
Pritchard Street
Johannesburg
South Africa.                      Wednesday 19th January, 1983.

Dear Sirs,



           I have read your book "Six Million Did Die" (2nd Edition).
Firstly I would like to congratulate you on putting forward a powerful 
case without the hysteria and name calling which inevitably accompanies 
such works.
  I have read several 'Revisionist' books and on the surface the "Harwood" 
pamphlet is very convincing, at least to those, particularly young 
people, who have not made a detailed study of the Nazi Policy towards 
the Jews. Thank you for tearing it to shreds in such an objective 
and dispassionate manner. (11)
  Nevertheless, I would like to ask one or two questions and raise 
several points about your book which must be clarified. If you can 
satisfy me to these points, I shall be convinced for life of the baseness 
of the claims put forward by Butz and company.
1...According to 'Harwood' there were no gassings at Dachau camp.
Will you please clear up these points..(a) Was there a gas chamber 
at Dachau, (b) if so, were inmates, Jews or others gassed to death 
there, (c) if so, how many approximately?
2...According to one American newspaper ($Spotlight$, 24th September, 
1979), Mrs Simone Veil, nee Jacob, is listed as gassed at Auschwitz 
on April 16th, 1944, yet Mrs Veil in fact survived the war, and was 
formerly President of the European Parliament. Is this true? If so, 
how many other Jews less famous, are listed as gassed when in fact 
they survived?
3...I have also read in an openly anti-Semitic newspaper, ($National 
Vanguard$) that on October 6th, 1980, a German publication,$ 
Der Spiegel,$ wrote that the $Diary of Anne Frank$ is a fake. 
In particular that parts of the diary could not have been written 
until 1951. I have heard that there is more than one version of the 
diary. Is this true?
Having read the diary, once as a gullible youth, and then later with 
a little more critical judgement, I can honestly say that I do not 
believe it to be the work of a 13 year old girl. Do you consider it 
was written by an immature teenager? Incidentally, the world famous 
"Book of the Month Club" is now listing the diary as fiction. (11)
4...You devote almost your entire book to reviewing the Harwood ie. 
Verrall pamphlet, yet you give less than two pages to the book which 
was hailed (albeit by right wing extremists) as the definitive study 
of the subject and the standard work. Why?
I would not like to comment on the accuracy or otherwise of the Butz 
book, but it is a far more thorough book than the former.
5...The question of the validity of the War Crimes Trials has been 
raised; do you, Mr Suzman, as a Q.C., consider such trials, with the 
victors trying the vanquished, as impartial? Do you refute the charges 
that the Nazi prisoners at the Nuremberg Trials were tortured?  
6...The Eichmann trial...was Eichmann kidnapped by Mossad?...if so, 
do you consider his "voluntary" statements to have any merit?
7...The question of the authenticity of certain photographs has been 
raised; let us take for example the two photos which Harwood uses. 
You must agree that they cannot both be genuine? Now, the questions 
must be asked and answered: a) Why was it necessary to fake this photograph? 
and b) how many others are not genuine?
According to the German author and publisher, Udo Walendy, the following 
photos from "6 Million Did Die" are fakes.
The photo on page 82 of your book. The top one was first introduced 
into the Holocaust literature in 1960, and there are at least three 
versions of it; the photos on page 92 top and bottom, particularly 
the bottom one has been posed for; the photos on page 102 the author 
asserts prove nothing, they are produced without text, dates, names, 
etc and that many have been touched up. Others, he asserts are simply 
drawings or photographed paintings; I am not an expert so cannot offer 
professional comment either way, nevertheless, much of what he says 
could be true...comment please?
8...In your opinion how many people were murdered at Auschwitz?
I hope you will be kind enough to answer my questions, as I am at 
present preparing a text on the subject of what one Jewish historian 
has called "The men who whitewash Hitler", and I hope that you will 
be able to assist me in exposing this whitewash for what it really 
is.

Yours Faithfully,

If I recall, I signed the letter in my own name. This letter is, I 
am afraid, quite appalling. The original contained numerous spelling 
mistakes and errors of syntax which have been corrected here. [The 
layout of the text has been preserved as closely as possible.] Needless 
to say, the writer did not receive a reply nor even any acknowledgement; 
it was written, incidentally, at a time when I believed $The Diary 
Of Anne Frank$ to be a fake. When I am proved wrong I change my 
mind; when Suzman and Diamond and their kind are proved wrong (or, 
more often, liars) they denounce their protagonists as "anti-Semitic".



Appendix I: The "Trust Me, I'm A Lawyer"
Technique Of Anti-Revisionism


(1) $SIX MILLION DID DIE: the truth shall prevail$, NEW EDITION 
WITH FURTHER FACTS [sic], by Arthur Suzman and Denis Diamond, published 
by the South African Jewish Board of Deputies, Johannesburg, (1978), 
page xi.
(2) Suzman and Diamond, $Six Million Did Die$, pages 17-8, (ibid).
(3) Suzman and Diamond, $Six Million Did Die$, page 19, (ibid).
(4) Or perhaps they do!
(5) Walendy, $Forged War Crimes malign the German Nation$, pages 
18-9, (op cit). No publisher is credited for the English edition but 
it is copyright 1979 and is available from the nice Mr Hancock at 
Historical Review Press, Brighton, Sussex. Being a forger himself 
- of banknotes - Teflon Tony will certainly appreciate this little 
collection.
(6) Interestingly, the top photograph on page 92, exposed by Walendy 
as a fake, is reproduced by Professor Butz, (page 74, op cit), who 
accepts it as genuine! 
(7) This is a very important point and one that should be borne in 
mind by anti-Semites when they promote Holocaust Revisionism to further 
their own bizarre theories and less than honourable ends. If one studies 
Jewish history objectively, it becomes clear that the Jews do in fact 
have a long and dishonourable tradition of deception. But so do the 
British! And, after recent events in the Gulf, the trashing of Iraq, 
and, earlier, the campaign against Libya and its charismatic leader, 
Colonel Qathafi, a strong case can be made out for adding the Americans 
to this list. 
  But again, when one claims that the Americans are not to be trusted, 
that the British are deceitful, that the Jews are liars, one is not 
attacking the entire nation but principally the leaders. An attack 
on 'the Jews' is always wilfully misrepresented by philo-Semites, 
Jewish apologists, communists and of course, Jews themselves, and 
always for the same purpose: to stifle legitimate criticism.
  Returning to the Holocaust itself: such an enormous hoax - if indeed 
it is - could only have been perpetrated, and continue to be perpetrated 
to this day, by the willing co-operation of the Americans, the British, 
and other Western governments. Most of the people who continue to 
plug the proven lies of the Holocaust, be they Jews or Gentiles, are, 
like these two good ol' boys, uncomprehending dupes.
(8) The fact that this chapter is so short amounts to an admission 
by the current writer of the utter hopelessness of this approach.
(9) See in particular the current writer's detailed analysis of Kitty 
Hart in the chapter $More Holocaust Liars Exposed$.
(10) He was the sap who authenticated the Hitler diaries. Also, by 
the latter's admission/claim, he trained David Irving!
(11) This is more wishful thinking than compliment.
(12) I didn't read the diary cover to cover as a teenager though I'm 
fairly certain that I must have looked over it. Certainly I read Gerda 
Klein's book, and others besides.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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           mstein@access1.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
> >If you check Mollo's PICTORIAL HISTORY OF THE SS you'll find another 
> >problem. After the liberation of Buchenwald, some photos were staged by
> >former inmates dressed in SS uniforms, tht is openly admitted.
> 
>     We were discussing the photo of open pit corpse burning at Auschwitz, 
> I thought.  Is it your contention that staged photos at Buchenwald prove 
> that an Auschwitz photo is a drawing?  Didn't you complain about Suzman 
> and Diamond showing piles of typhus victims at Belsen as proof of 
> gassings at Auschwitz?  Care to explain what's different?

Dear me, I thought we had made real progress, you even sent me a joke. The
fact that staged photos are recycled as the real McCoy proves that somebody
is being dishonest, Simon Wiesenthal in particular, he used one of these 
staged photos in a mass mailing to Germany. I've checked this out.

Obviously staged photos prove nothing, but the point is that they are 
recycled constantly without the proper credits. You should also ask yourself
why, if there are so many genuine photos, are so many dodgy ones recycled. You
should also ask yourself what the genuine ones really prove.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Talmud OKs Child Molestation
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In article 
           bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu "Benjamin Johnson" writes:
> 
> >>     More disturbing than the assertion that "When a grown-up man has
> >had
> >>intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when a girl is less
> >than
> >>this (three years old-footnote tells us), it is as if one puts the
> >finger
> >>into the eye, tears come to the eye again, so does virginity come back
> >to
> >>the little girl under three years." (Kethuboth 11b) is that of
> >Sanhedrin

This is complete bollocks. The quotes are accurate but the meaning has been
completely distorted. This is a passage which deals with the qualification of
virginity, ie if a young girl is violated, is she still considered a virgin
below a certain age?  Yes, that age is three. There are similar - and similarly 
boring - passages dealing with the age of seminal emission and the penalty
for falling off a ladder, landing on someone's head and killing him and 
other equally unlikely scenarios. The Talmud takes up about 8 feet of library
shelf with this turgid guff.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS DOWN FROM 17,000 TO 3 AT AUSCHWITZ
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           pankiewicz@sun1000.ci.pwr.wroc.pl "Jerzy Pankiewicz" writes:
> You bloody idiot. The experiments were made, not only on Jews, but
> also non-Jewish Poles. If you don't stop your ignorant postings 
> I'll try to find some Poles living in UK who would teach you 
> respect.
>                  Your truly,
>             Jerzy Pankiewicz

Like myself, Mr Roberts is a man who is less impressed by veiled - or in 
your case not so veiled - threats of violence than with well documented
arguments. Your proof by assertion will, I am sure, be rejected even by
Jamie McCarthy, who is hardly a Roberts apologist.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Talmud OKs Child Molestation
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> >NO e-mail from Jews

Except your employer? The ADL perhaps?

-- 
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Talmud OKs Child Molestation
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In article 
           bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu "Benjamin Johnson" writes:
> 
> >>     More disturbing than the assertion that "When a grown-up man has
> >had
> >>intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when a girl is less
> >than
> >>this (three years old-footnote tells us), it is as if one puts the
> >finger
> >>into the eye, tears come to the eye again, so does virginity come back
> >to
> >>the little girl under three years." (Kethuboth 11b) is that of
> >Sanhedrin

This is complete bollocks. The quotes are accurate but the meaning has been
completely distorted. This is a passage which deals with the qualification of
virginity, ie if a young girl is violated, is she still considered a virgin
below a certain age?  Yes, that age is three. There are similar - and similarly 
boring - passages dealing with the age of seminal emission and the penalty
for falling off a ladder, landing on someone's head and killing him and 
other equally unlikely scenarios. The Talmud takes up about 8 feet of library
shelf with this turgid guff.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Talmud OKs Child Molestation
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> >NO e-mail from Jews

Except your employer? The ADL perhaps?

-- 
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy,alt.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Talmud OKs Child Molestation
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In article 
           cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz "McKinstry" writes:

> > All this nonsense was refuted before you were born, see for example the
> > Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, entry for CANARDS, the article in the
> > Contemporary Jewish Record 1939, Talmudic Forgeries, and many other 
> > publications, including 2 by yours truly. 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Alexander Baron
> > 
> Question Alexander:  When was the Socino (English translation) of the
> Talmud proved to be a forgery -- especially since it was translated by
> Jews?

I've told you before, Mr McKinstry, we stock a number of publications which 
deal with this and the Protocols. Send me a cheque and I will lighten your
darkness, but if you continue to make public pronouncements on this subject
without doing your homework you will look an even bigger arsehole than you
are.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Talmud OKs Child Molestation
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In article 
           cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz "McKinstry" writes:

> > All this nonsense was refuted before you were born, see for example the
> > Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, entry for CANARDS, the article in the
> > Contemporary Jewish Record 1939, Talmudic Forgeries, and many other 
> > publications, including 2 by yours truly. 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Alexander Baron
> > 
> Question Alexander:  When was the Socino (English translation) of the
> Talmud proved to be a forgery -- especially since it was translated by
> Jews?

I've told you before, Mr McKinstry, we stock a number of publications which 
deal with this and the Protocols. Send me a cheque and I will lighten your
darkness, but if you continue to make public pronouncements on this subject
without doing your homework you will look an even bigger arsehole than you
are.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Six Million Did Die
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I'm still waiting for your reply Harry. Who is lying, Suzman and Diamond
or Yours Truly?

Come on, Harry, don't be shy, the world is watching. And waiting. Did they
or did they not lie about gassings in Dachau like the mendacious Zionist
creeps they are?


-- 
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Yet another Exterminationist lie
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I can't remember who posted the following:


>"Inside  the Vicious Heart: Americans and the Liberation of  Nazi 
>Concentration Camps".

>Al "the Nazis never burned anyone alive" Baron may find
>some information there that may change his mind; like the
>photographs of concentration camp inmates burned alive at
>Gardelegen and Thekla.

>On page 77 is one of the most horrible photographs I've
>seen in my life: three charred corpses of emaciated
>prisoners, obviously burned while they were running away
>from the SS men. 


Like I said, I can't remember who posted it, but whoever it was has
twisted the facts again. If you recall, I said that no regular historians
claimed that Jews - or anyone - were thrown alive into the fire - the
origin of the term Holocaust. This was offered as a refutation.

In the first place, this is nothing to do with Auschwitz, it was a camp
in Germany. The charred corpses were said to be the result of an SS atrocity
at the end of the war, a claim I am prepared to accept. They were said to
have herded a group of prisoners into a building and set it afire. In other
words, this was a massacre on a par with Oradour and was nothing to do
with planned exterminations ordered - allegedly - by the High Command.

The book also contains some other revealing statements.

page 62 "With a shrinking food and water supply and a frightful 
increase in disease, death became an everyday occurrence and so 
did the battles among the prisoners themselves for the dwindling 
sustenance provided. In the last days some even turned to canni-
balism. In the week the Americans came, one thousand died of 
starvation." This was Woebellin camp.

In other words, food was not that scarce earlier.


on page 94 is a photograph captioned: "Ex-prisoners at Dachau 
torturing a captured guard."

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: More Lies from Baron (Re: another Exterminationist lie)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron  writes:
> Baron said it, and he lied. As usual.

Baron doesn't need to lie; the truth is enough to make you hysterical.
 
> I'm still waiting for his quotes proving that Holocaust
> historians said that, for instance, some people were not
> burned alive in the Birkenau "cremation ditches". So far
> he has provided none.

Give me a citation, a regular one.

> No one probably claims it was as common a method of murder
> as gassing or shooting - it wasn't - but people were killed
> this way. I've provided the testimonies and Baron has
> nothing to refute them with.

Wrong! This was a regular claim; Dr Perl makes it in her fantasy-prone 
book.

> [With regard to the inmates burned alive in German
> concentration camps]
> 
> # it was a camp in Germany.
> 
> You bloody idiot - so they only burned people alive in Germany,
> that's what you're saying?

I'm saying this was an ordinary war time atrocity, it was not part of
any alleged extermination programme.

> [Regarding Woebellin camp]
> 
> # In other words, food was not that scarce earlier.
> 
> So why did more than a 100,000 inmates in the "work camp"
> of the "Old Reich" (Germany proper) alone die between
> mid-1942 to mid-1943?

I don't know, perhaps typhus, war time conditions and ordinary 
war time brutalities had something to do with it. Are you claiming these
people were exterminated or worked to death?


> # on page 94 is a photograph captioned: "Ex-prisoners at Dachau
> # torturing a captured guard."
> 
> And this photograph is not a fake, right Baron, it's only
> a fake when it portrays bad Nazis?

If I change my mind and claim this photo is a fake will you promise not
to call me anti-Semitic?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> He said that he wasn't guilty of the gassings, as they took
> place in Auschwitz II (Birkenau) when he was in charge
> of Auschwitz I.

I see, there were gassings but I knew nothing about them. Sounds familiar.
I'll have to recheck Staeglich when I get the chance but I'm fairly certain
he denied them per se.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
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In article <3ultcu$fdg@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> So the answer to my question is "yes"; documents which contradict your faith
> are fakes and forgeries.

Faith is what enables us to believe that which we know to be untrue. Of course,
the threat of being branded anti-Semitic  and losing our precious academic 
careers might also help.

Staeglich points out that at Nuremberg a great deal of evidence was offered
and one dodgy document was produced. By the Russians. You know, those people
somebody in this group - Messrs Stein or McCarty? - claimed inflated the figure
to 4 million dead and are not to be trusted.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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           kmcvay@epaus.island.net "Ken McVay" writes:
> If memory serves, there _are_ references to Jews being deliberately
> infected with the disease, but the instance I'm referrring to did not
> take place in a camp, but rather in a police station. I _think_ that the
> material is in one of the memorial books here on the system, but I am
> not positive... when I have time to find it, I'll post it here.

Okay Ken, if you're so smart, what about the claim in FIGHTING AUSCHWITZ
that a member of the underground was breeding typhus lice and used it to
infect SS men? Wasn't he a war criminal?
 
> >You have spread lies. Yesterday I answered a post of yours which claimed that 
> >the gassings in the camps could not have taken place because the gas used is 
> >lighter than air. That is a lie of omission - you know very well that the gas 
> >was not just "dropped" into the room.

No, it wasn't a lie, it started off as sarcasm, but the truth is that I'm
never sure what gas they're talking about, crystaline Zyklon B, carbon monoxide
or steam as in the steam chambers of Treblinka.

> I suspect Mr. Baron does indeed know precisely how the gas was
> introduced into the chamber - the evidence is clear and overwhelming - but
> he assumes that some sort of psuedo-scientific veneer will awe his audience,
> 100% of whom are brain-dead by his reckoning.

I'm not sure anyone does. Some people say it was down a funnel in the roof -
Hart for example, others that the gassings took place in barracks, others in
cellars...

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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I can't remember who posted the following:


>"Inside  the Vicious Heart: Americans and the Liberation of  Nazi 
>Concentration Camps".

>Al "the Nazis never burned anyone alive" Baron may find
>some information there that may change his mind; like the
>photographs of concentration camp inmates burned alive at
>Gardelegen and Thekla.

>On page 77 is one of the most horrible photographs I've
>seen in my life: three charred corpses of emaciated
>prisoners, obviously burned while they were running away
>from the SS men. 


Like I said, I can't remember who posted it, but whoever it was has
twisted the facts again. If you recall, I said that no regular historians
claimed that Jews - or anyone - were thrown alive into the fire - the
origin of the term Holocaust. This was offered as a refutation.

In the first place, this is nothing to do with Auschwitz, it was a camp
in Germany. The charred corpses were said to be the result of an SS atrocity
at the end of the war, a claim I am prepared to accept. They were said to
have herded a group of prisoners into a building and set it afire. In other
words, this was a massacre on a par with Oradour and was nothing to do
with planned exterminations ordered - allegedly - by the High Command.

The book also contains some other revealing statements.

page 62 "With a shrinking food and water supply and a frightful 
increase in disease, death became an everyday occurrence and so 
did the battles among the prisoners themselves for the dwindling 
sustenance provided. In the last days some even turned to canni-
balism. In the week the Americans came, one thousand died of 
starvation." This was Woebellin camp.

In other words, food was not that scarce earlier.


on page 94 is a photograph captioned: "Ex-prisoners at Dachau 
torturing a captured guard."

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More Lies from Baron (Re: another Exterminationist lie)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron  writes:
> Baron said it, and he lied. As usual.

Baron doesn't need to lie; the truth is enough to make you hysterical.
 
> I'm still waiting for his quotes proving that Holocaust
> historians said that, for instance, some people were not
> burned alive in the Birkenau "cremation ditches". So far
> he has provided none.

Give me a citation, a regular one.

> No one probably claims it was as common a method of murder
> as gassing or shooting - it wasn't - but people were killed
> this way. I've provided the testimonies and Baron has
> nothing to refute them with.

Wrong! This was a regular claim; Dr Perl makes it in her fantasy-prone 
book.

> [With regard to the inmates burned alive in German
> concentration camps]
> 
> # it was a camp in Germany.
> 
> You bloody idiot - so they only burned people alive in Germany,
> that's what you're saying?

I'm saying this was an ordinary war time atrocity, it was not part of
any alleged extermination programme.

> [Regarding Woebellin camp]
> 
> # In other words, food was not that scarce earlier.
> 
> So why did more than a 100,000 inmates in the "work camp"
> of the "Old Reich" (Germany proper) alone die between
> mid-1942 to mid-1943?

I don't know, perhaps typhus, war time conditions and ordinary 
war time brutalities had something to do with it. Are you claiming these
people were exterminated or worked to death?


> # on page 94 is a photograph captioned: "Ex-prisoners at Dachau
> # torturing a captured guard."
> 
> And this photograph is not a fake, right Baron, it's only
> a fake when it portrays bad Nazis?

If I change my mind and claim this photo is a fake will you promise not
to call me anti-Semitic?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> He said that he wasn't guilty of the gassings, as they took
> place in Auschwitz II (Birkenau) when he was in charge
> of Auschwitz I.

I see, there were gassings but I knew nothing about them. Sounds familiar.
I'll have to recheck Staeglich when I get the chance but I'm fairly certain
he denied them per se.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article <3ultcu$fdg@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> So the answer to my question is "yes"; documents which contradict your faith
> are fakes and forgeries.

Faith is what enables us to believe that which we know to be untrue. Of course,
the threat of being branded anti-Semitic  and losing our precious academic 
careers might also help.

Staeglich points out that at Nuremberg a great deal of evidence was offered
and one dodgy document was produced. By the Russians. You know, those people
somebody in this group - Messrs Stein or McCarty? - claimed inflated the figure
to 4 million dead and are not to be trusted.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: An unqualified apology to all Exterminationists from an ignoramus
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In article <3uh3r1$5l6@epaus.island.net>
           kmcvay@epaus.island.net "Ken McVay" writes:
> If memory serves, there _are_ references to Jews being deliberately
> infected with the disease, but the instance I'm referrring to did not
> take place in a camp, but rather in a police station. I _think_ that the
> material is in one of the memorial books here on the system, but I am
> not positive... when I have time to find it, I'll post it here.

Okay Ken, if you're so smart, what about the claim in FIGHTING AUSCHWITZ
that a member of the underground was breeding typhus lice and used it to
infect SS men? Wasn't he a war criminal?
 
> >You have spread lies. Yesterday I answered a post of yours which claimed that 
> >the gassings in the camps could not have taken place because the gas used is 
> >lighter than air. That is a lie of omission - you know very well that the gas 
> >was not just "dropped" into the room.

No, it wasn't a lie, it started off as sarcasm, but the truth is that I'm
never sure what gas they're talking about, crystaline Zyklon B, carbon monoxide
or steam as in the steam chambers of Treblinka.

> I suspect Mr. Baron does indeed know precisely how the gas was
> introduced into the chamber - the evidence is clear and overwhelming - but
> he assumes that some sort of psuedo-scientific veneer will awe his audience,
> 100% of whom are brain-dead by his reckoning.

I'm not sure anyone does. Some people say it was down a funnel in the roof -
Hart for example, others that the gassings took place in barracks, others in
cellars...

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
> 
> >I have decided to put up some documents on my web page to illustrate the 
> >scope and reality of the Zionist conspiracy.  


These people amaze me. A conspiracy is a secret. Imperial Zion shouts
"JUMP" Congress says "How high?" Where's the conspiracy?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: THE STORY OF THE GASSINGS COMES FROM A SICK MIND
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In article <3uerls$7kh@earth.usa.net> hkatz@news.usa.net "Harry Katz" writes:

> In article <810452252wnr@stumpy.demon.co.uk>,
> The proof is the calumny quoted in his testimony that "the superficial
> oath is not binding for Jews!"  Jews are forbidden by the Scriptures
> from taking oaths of any kind!  Jews are also forbidden to lie, whether
> under oath or not!

I think this is a genuine mistake; also Burg was not interned during the
war, like many Jews. He said it was harder for those who were left to 
fend for themselves.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Six Million Did Die
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In article <3uqfe7$hsm@legend.txdirect.net> hmazal@txdirect.net  writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> >  I'm still waiting for your reply Harry. Who is lying, Suzman and Diamond
> >  or Yours Truly?
> 
> Mr. Baron's familiarity is only one of his boorish traits. Another one is that
>  he 
> does not respond to questions posed.   When he answers these questions and
> improves his behaviour,  my analysis of his long-winded and tedious note
> will continue.

I did respond to your questions, look back in the file. You have insinuated
that I sent you fake documents; I told you that if you truly believe that
you can order them from the 4 libraries in the US where the 2nd edition of
this book can be found. Now answer me, please.

a) Did I send you fake documents?
b) if not, please explain the photo of the pile of "gassed" corpses shown
by Suzman and Diamond and adduced as "evidence", nay "proof" that people were
gassed in Dachau.

If you have any other questions about the other fake photographs, please post
them. The fact that you haven't and continue instead to poke holes in my
supposedly bad etiquette evinces to me the fact that you know I am telling the
truth but haven't the bottle to admit it, not just to me, but to yourself. 
Because if you do you'll have to ask yourself another inconvenient question:
How many other of these wicked anti-Semites' lies are not in fact lies, how
many other lies have I been told?

Put up or shut up, Harry. Did I lie, or did they?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> There's a letter from SS-doctor Rascher to Himmler, explicitly
> discussing gassing in Dachau. None of our "revisionist scholars"
> has commented on it, naturally.

I must confess Dr Keren I haven't heard of this letter, which I find rather
strange. Please give me a citation.
> 
> # like the mendacious Zionist creeps they are?
> 
> When the fellow "revisionist" Jeff Roberts lies through his
> teeth here, Baron says he's "an honest, sincere man who
> made a mistake". Perhaps the two people Baron refers to
> also made a mistake (if they did?).

Jeff Roberts referred to J.G. Burg as a Holocaust survivor - which he 
was, but believed, erroneously, that he had been interned in a concentration
camp. He has read Burg's testimony and this was an obvious error. Suzman and
Diamond published a photograph of a pile of bodies captioned victims of 
a gassing, in the full knowledge, surely, that there had been no such gassings.

I repeat my question, are they or are they not mendacious Zionist creeps?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <3uqu7h$3but@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> The genuine ones prove nothing more than the phony ones do, Al.  I don't 
> think anyone seriously uses photographs as proof of the extermination attempt 
> one way or another.  There are lots of other documents that supply all the 
> proof that any reasonable person needs.

I almost agree with the first part of your sentence; a genuine photo, if
it can be confirmed, does prove something surely? I'm not going to fall into
the Exterminationist trap of rejecting everything that doesn't fit my
paradigm, but you are definitely wrong with the rest. The public perception
is that the photos PROVE the Holocaust, that's why we've been deluged with
photos of Belsen for the past fifty years. This is the PROOF for the gullible
goyim. If you don't believe that, try arguing with the Socialist Workers
Party that this does not constitute proof. I wouldn't like to scrape you up
off the sidewalk once they'd finished with you.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Revisionist History isn't only about World War II. On July 15, ITMA published
"A Revisionist History Of Prohibition" which sheds new light on the activities
of the Treasury and the Justice Department after the passage of the Volstead
Act and up until its repeal in 1933. 

This large format document is packed with inconvenient facts and sheds new
light on the activities and motives of both Eliot Ness and his main protagonist
Al Capone.

Available only from us.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> 
> Baron knows less about WW2 history than the average person on
> the street, and it's "strange" he didn't hear about this letter?

Thank you Dr Keren, I need to be reminded of my ignorance now and then,
and there was me believing, gullibly, that I was some sort of pioneer.
 
> Like it's "strange" he failed to recognize an excerpt from the
> protocols of the Wannsee conference, and asked "where is this
> mysterious document, if it ever existed?".

It's not strange, I just didn't recognise that particular passage;
I have read Staeglich's excellent analysis and can find no fault with it.


> The document is mentioned in "Nazi Mass Murder", Yale, Uni. Press,
> chapter 8. 

I'll look this up next month, maybe.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <3ussmp$ru8@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
> 
> For you to indulge in ad hominem remarks suggest to me that you are running out
>  of 
> arguments.

Let me get this straight, for the past twenty and more years you guys have
been calling us Nazis, racists, anti-Semites, lunatics, crazies, liars, ad 
nauseum. Now you're saying that I have made an ad hominem remark?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Let's hear both sides of the Holocaust story
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> Speech by Hitler, January 31, 1939
> [Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals -
> Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol XIII, p. 131]
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers
> in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into
> a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevization of the earth,
> and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in
> Europe!

This is typical of your wilful cognitive dissonance, Dr Keren. Why don't you finish
the speech? I'll tell you why, because Hitler vows to avenge Germany on the
International Jews AFTER THE WAR. And again, IF this extermination programme
was so secret, why did he announce its arrival to the world two years before
it is alleged to have begun?

For the record, this speech was actually made January 30, according to the 
Exterminationist R. Landau at any rate. Landau quotes only the first part of
this speech also. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article <3ursbg$gk2@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
           uroessl1@gwdg.de "Roessler  Ulrich" writes:

> Alexander Baron  writes:
 
> Could you explain, how the Russians managed to 'influence' the results
> of the Auschwitz-trial in Frankfurt/Main in the early 60s. In this
> trial the mass-gassings at Auschwitz were investigated and confirmed 
> in greater detail than in the Nuremberg trials, as some plain simple
> henchmen were tried there. This incredible judge, Mr.Staeglich, somehow 
> missed that part of the knowable reality when producing his book, so 
> Mr.Baron's knowledge is naturally somewhat limited on that count as well.

This was a show trial, as he and Butz have pointed out, the whole of the 
West German political machinery was established by the Allies and has been 
subservient to them. One of the star witnesses at this trial was Rudolph
Vrba, which says it all. Add to this the fact as both Butz and Staeglich point
out that the trial was committed a priori to the gassings. Butz also points 
out some very strange anomalies in the sentencing and gives the reasons for
both this and the acquiescence of the defence.

> Well, Mr.Baron, you might start herewith:
> Could you  name the exact reference in the protocols of the Nuremberg 
> trials where the Russians had introduced this ominous number of 4 million 
> dead in Auschwitz? Could you simply try to answer such a simple question
> without speaking about the feeling you maintain for Staeglich's book?

The first reference to this claim I have found was on the front page of
the Yorkshire Post, May 8, 1945. This was some sort of wire report, so
presumably this lie went all around the world and has been many times
since then.


-- 
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <3uo4bg$jqg@mycogen.terminus.com> cga@terminus.com "PDG" writes:

> jwccti1@aol.com (JWCCTI1) wrote:
> 
> >From my own observations, Jewish family life is far superior to Christian
> >family life. 

So what you're saying is that Jews are superior to white Gentiles? You 
fucking Nazi.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Six Million Did Die
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I know you're there, Harry Mazal, because you've been posting under other
headers. All I want is for you to answer that question: did Suzman and Diamond
lie or did I? Yes or no?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Six Million Did Die
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This is a reposting:



If you read various accounts of gassings by survivors it is clear that they 
did not see what they claim to have seen. I have referred specifically to 
Kitty Hart because I have read both her books. I will accept that anyone can 
make mistakes, but I do not accept that Suzman and Diamond made mistakes; 
their book is replete with lies and is transparently dishonest. On a slightly 
more general subject Mr Stein (Mike? we are friends now, aren't we?), 
and this will be of interest to Dr Keren also, the following 
publications PROVE that the Jews are out to conquer the world, or that they 
have done:

Tayna Yvestia 
The Conquest of the World by the Jews (1875!)
The Rabbi's Speech
Speech by a Rabbi about the Goyim
The Cause of World Unrest
The Protocols of Zion
The Zunder Document
Four Protocols of Zion: Not The Protocols of Nilus
Plans of the Synagogue of Satan
The Rabbi's Speech - by Rabbi Rabinovich (alias Eustace Mullins)
Zionism Rules the World - by Jewish author Henry Klein
White Power by Lincoln Rockwell
Fraudulent Conversion by Colin Jordan
Behind Communism by Frank L. Britton
The Plot Against Christianity
The International Jew - many editions

That's sixteen publications which PROVE the Jewish conspiracy. 
How much proof do you want? Isn't the quantity enough? Can they all be 
forged, can all the documentation in them all be wrong, misinterpreted or 
faked? In short, Mr Stein, Dr Keren, do you believe that if an enormous 
lie is told and repeated incessantly, that it must contain even a grain of 
truth?

YES OR NO, GENTLEMEN?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics
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In article 
           mkelley@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu "Marty Kelley" writes:

> On Wed, 19 Jul 1995, Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> > In article <3uigjo$7rb@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, rtheorist@aol.com (R
> > THEORIST) wrote:
> > 
> >    swift wrote a pamphlet called "a modest
> >    proposal" and it's about eating little babies.  this--eating little
> >    babies--is exactly the kind of thing civilized english speaking white
> >    people are against.

Swift was a prize piss taker; Gulliver's Travels was also a satire, a bit
like Gullible's Travels, or Shoah, as they call it in Israel.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz "McKinstry" writes:


Colin, my boy, are you really E-mailing from a University? I would suggest
that if you are going to persist with this nonsense about the Protocols and
paedophile Rabbis you steer clear of Jewish social studies for your dissertation.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> kevin filan  wrote:
> 
> [Responding to Baron's whining about "revisionists" being called
> racists and Nazis]


So you're saying that Harry Elmer Barnes, Professor Butz, yours truly,
Paul Rassinier and, heaven forbid, David Cole and the late J.G. Burg were
all Nazis and Jew haters? 

Let me put it to you another way; it was the Christians who invented 
anti-Semitism. There are anti-Semitic Christians around today. And Moslems.
Does that mean that they all are? 

-- 
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <160503Z23071995@anon.penet.fi>
           an92569@anon.penet.fi "an92569@anon.penet.fi" writes:
>         Haven't you heard of the Bilderberg Group?  Or the 
>         Trilateral Commission?  Spotlight Magazine does a
>         good job of uncovering this murky Zionist organization.


Thanks for the moral support, but the Bildergers and the Trilateralists
are hardly Zionists. Machiavellian schemers that they are.
-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <3uu6di$1a5i@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> In article <806494621snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk 
> says...
 
> The work orders for the construction of 52 crematory furnaces by the 
> engineering firm of Topf and Son work are in the public record. Were these 
> work orders tampered with, planted, or forged in order to incriminate Topf 
> and Son? If so, who would be the likely candidate for having done so?

The alleged number varies from about 46 to 60 (Reitlinger) I think.

 
> The standard denier claim is that the crematory furnaces were constructed to 
> deal with the large numbers of fatalities from disease and starvation among 
> camp inmates brought on as a result of Allied bombing of rail lines late in 
> the war. Nevertheless, it has been shown, most recently by Jan Van Pelt, 
> that these furnaces and the facilities to house them were in their planning 
> stages through much of 1942 and that construction was finished in the first 
> months of 1943. Even if these furnaces proved capable of operating at 
> only 10% of rated capacity that would still be over 470 bodies per day. Can 
> you suggest any reason why 52 high-capacity crematory furnaces were planned 
> during the period when Nazi Germany was enjoying its greatest successes in 
> the war? Why was the SS expecting such large numbers of fatalities while 
> they were not only still perfectly capable of housing, feeding, and caring 
> for their prisoners, but were, as the deniers claim, supposedly housing, 
> feeding, and caring for their prisoners?

You're forgetting the typhus epidemic. Also the fact that the crematoria
couldn't cope hence the burning in the pits. Major Douglas made an analysis
of the propaganda shortly after the war. I'll dig it out for you if I get time.
-- 
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <3utjvk$cl7@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
>     The same question comes back to you in spades.  If there's genuine
> evidence of this extraordinary frame-up, why do so many dodgy arguments
> (Treblinka grave capacity, "Vergasungskeller=carburetion cellar,"
> "ausrotten=uproot," the Leuchter Report, the diesels-can't-kill line from
> Fritz Berg) get recycled by revisionists - even after their errors and 
> falsehoods have been pointed out?


Like you say, nonsense goes the rounds. I'm going to do a lot more research
on this and then publish. Then let them refute me if they can, or ignore
me as they always do.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <3uu7eu$air@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jwccti1@aol.com "JWCCTI1" writes:
 
> Baron, you would not impress a single American by revising the very
> unsavory image of Al Capone.  Granted that Prohibition was silly, Capone
> was nothing but an ignorant criminal whose politics ran along the line
> that Benito Mussolini was just what Italy needed. 

The fact that you would write such dross about one of the greatest 
American entrepreneurs of all time shows just how brainwashed you have 
been. I might actually post the full pamphlet to alt.revisionism in a 
couple of months just to make you eat your words.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> When all else fails... scream "show trial". Never mind that this
> trial was conducted by the Germans themselves in 1963-5, not
> by the Allies at Nurnberg or elsewhere.

The whole political machinery of West Germany was established by the Allies;
don't forget that it was under military occupation from 1945-9.
 
> 
> # One of the star witnesses at this trial was Rudolph
> # Vrba, which says it all. 
> 
> "Says it all"? What does it say?

Vrba, principal author of the quietly forgotten War Refugee Board Report.
 
> EVERYBODY was lying, Baron? EVERYBODY?

No, you're not lying, you simply refuse to face facts.
 
> You expect anyone but braindead nazi scumbags to buy this?

Are you saying that Professor Butz is a Nazi? Or David Cole?
 
> It is true that the punishment was not proportional to the
> number of people killed by this and that SS man. Those
> who killed out of sadism and not under orders were given
> harsher sentences, as they could not defend themselves
> with the "an order is an order" excuse.

No, no, no, refer to the bottle throwing incident by Robert Mulka,, Butz
page 188. That's a perfect example.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
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In article <3v107i$1qp@newsbf02.news.aol.com> hmazal@aol.com "HMazal" writes:

> Mr. Baron copies my text from a previous note:
> 
> >b) Mr. Baron has not explained the discrepancy between the page numbers
> > that appear on the photostatic copies of the photographs he sent me (82
> > and 104) and the page numbers that he mentions in his letter (122 and
> > 123). 
> 
> but does not respond to the specific discrepancy. When he explains it, we
> can continue.
> 
Once again Harry, I sent you a lot of pages as you yourself admitted; I 
think I probably sent you more than I itemised. Now I have told you that 
these pages are all from the second edition of this book, and I have told
you that this book can be found in at least 4 US libraries including 
Library of Congress. 

Page 82 contains 3 "photos" of a group of women allegedly on their way to
be shot; these are all in the Pictorial History of the Holocaust. Page 104 is
a very famous photo of Dr Klein standing among the cadavers at Belsen. It
has obviously been staged.

Pages 122 and 123 are not numbered but that is not my fault, it's the way
the pages are set. On page 123 is a photo of Belsen, which is available from
the Imperial War Museum, while on page 122 are two photos of Dachau, the
first is captioned "Victims of the Dachau gas chamber lie piled to the ceiling
in the crematorium." 

There is no discrepancy here Harry, what there is is an inability on the part
of a frightened old Jew to admit that he has been led up the garden path and
the suggestion, just the suggestion, that that wicked Nazi Baron might be right.

You attack me for my so-called over-familiarity. That sounds to me like you're
disappointed that I don't call you Jewish trash or some other unworthy epithet.
I have been very patient with you Harry because I realise that it's not easy
to admit that your castles are built on sand and that one strong gust of wind
can blow aware your entire edifice of belief, but I have placed the facts before
you in a dispassionate, logical, irrefutable manner, now I ask you again,
Harry, who lied, Suzman and Diamond or me? Put up or shut up.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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This is part of my interview with Eustace Mullins, January 1993 (excluding
footnotes). It is from the pamphlet Global Deception 1993 Second edition and
is posted specifically for the benefit of a certain Dr Keren who thinks 
a weak epithet refutes a strong argument.


Before  the recess, I caught up with Mullins and told him that  I 
would  like  to interview him at length. I told him  that  I  was 
covering  the conference for a Jewish magazine but that I  myself 
am  not Jewish. I also told him that I was researching into  con-
spiriology  myself. He agreed willingly and we went in search  of 
somewhere  to conduct the interview. We ended up in his  dressing 
room. Here then, with additional notes, is what he had to say:
Question: May I ask how old you are, sir?
Eustace Mullins: I'm seventy years old.
Question: You don't look it. 
EM: Thank you. People tell me that.
Question: You're the protege of Ezra Pound?
EM:  I  am, the last living protege as a matter of fact,  and  of 
course  you know four of his proteges got the Nobel Prize, but  I 
haven't yet. [Laughing.]
Question:  I've only ever found one of your books in the  British 
Library,  that's  your  biography of Pound which  I  was  looking 
through the other day. (33)
EM: I don't have distribution in England, but I should have.  I'm 
negotiating  with a couple of publishers because I think  there's 
quite a market here.
Question: Which publishers?
EM: Routledge Kegan and, I forget the other one; Routledge  Kegan 
are quite interested.
Question: Have you tried any of the $other$ distributors: Histor-
ical Review Press or Bloomfield Books? (34)
EM:  No, I haven't, I won't be able to pursue those things but  I 
hope to come back in a few weeks and get something going. I think 
my books are ready to be distributed here.
Question:  I haven't actually read any of your books, but I  have 
read  a fair amount of conspiracy theory: Gary Allen  and  people 
like that.
EM: These are spin offs from me. Gary Allen ordered all my  books 
before he wrote his books, and frankly attributed his work to  me 
[in early printings] but later he dropped it out. 
Question: Was that $None Dare Call It Conspiracy?$
EM:  Yes, in early editions he quoted extensively from  my  work, 
but  later  that was eliminated. I pretty much pioneered  in  the 
development  of this World Order conspiracy after World  War  Two 
through Pound's work. Pound had already worked on it thirty years 
or so himself.
Question: I haven't read much Pound but I have read a fair amount 
of Douglas and I am very sympathetic to his ideas. Have you  come 
across Kitson at all? (35)
EM: Oh yes, Pound put me onto Kitson, Douglas, all those people.
Question: What about Mrs Emery in the United States?
EM: Mrs Emery, that name does ring a bell.
Question: The People's Party back in the 1890s.
EM:  I  don't go back that far with the populists.  Most  of  the 
people I work with in the States today call themselves populists. 
Clinton is calling himself a populist. [Laughing.]
Question:  I found a small book of hers called  $Seven  Financial 
Conspiracies  Which  Have Enslaved The American People$;  it  was 
published in 1892. (36)
EM:  I think I encountered that book at the Library  of  Congress 
quite a few years ago. It's quite an interesting book. I did most 
of  my  research at the Library of Congress. There  I  came  into 
contact  with a lot of sources that I would not have found  else-
where.
Question: It's nearly as big as the British Library, the  Library 
of Congress, isn't it?
EM: Yes. 
Question: What university did you graduate from?
EM:  Washington Lee, which is called the Princeton of the  South. 
It  was  founded by Washington and Lee, both of whom  would  have 
been hung for treason. 
Question: You've published about thirty-five books?
EM:  Yes,  covering  a multitude of subjects,  pamphlets  and  so 
forth.  There are actually fifteen books available now  in  bound 
form  of which $The Federal Reserve$ was one of the  first,  then 
$The World Order, Curse of Canaan, Writ for Martyrs$ and  $Murder 
By Injection$, each of these exposes a different conspiracy. I'll 
be talking tomorrow about the medical conspiracy. 
Question:  I don't know if I'll be here tomorrow.  Who  publishes 
your books?
EM: I self-publish, self-distribute because there's no publishing 
house in the United States which would publish these books.
Question: Not even the Noontide Press?
EM: I work with Noontide; Noontide is distributing my books but I 
still prefer to keep on publishing myself.
Question: Who finances them?
EM:  I finance all my books out of my cash flow; they  sell  very 
well. 
Question: Are you a man of independent means?
EM: No, actually I live on my books and on my income from  speak-
ing and so forth. (37)
Question: Do you have any connection with Willis Carto and compa-
ny? (38) 
EM:  Yes, they're one of the main distributors of my books.  I've 
know Willis since 1952. They do promote my books and have  publi-
cised me quite a bit over the last several years.
Question: You have been called an anti-Semite.
EM: Oh yes, regularly, Ezra Pound was also called an anti-Semite. 
And in fact Ezra, in his radio broadcasts, did become quite anti-
Jewish  in  the late forties, because he felt that the  Jews  had 
played  that role and had instigated the War. He  probably  over-
emphasised that, but at the same time he never had any  prejudice 
against working with Jewish poets like [name unintelligible]  and 
Stephen Spender and so forth. (39) Many Jews came to visit  Pound 
during [unintelligible but probably a reference to Pound's incar-
ceration after the War].
Question: Personally I don't believe Pound was an anti-Semite.
EM: No, he wasn't an anti-Semite, and neither am I myself.
Question:  I  would have to take issue with that. [If  you're  no 
longer an anti-Semite] you have been. Tell me about $The  Rabbi's 
Speech$.
[See Appendix C for the full text of $The Rabbi's Speech$ and  $A 
Racial Program For The Twentieth Century$.]
EM: $The Rabbi's Speech$ was brought to me, and I felt it was  an 
important document which should be released, and it was released, 
and  actually was translated in Europe by Einar Aberg of  Sweden, 
and  he flooded the continent with it, many thousands of  copies. 
Actually,  now  that you mention it, I haven't heard of  that  in 
many years. It came out in '52.
Question: It's been republished fairly recently.
EM: Has it really? I haven't seen that. 
Question:  It was published by Lady Birdwood. Have you  heard  of 
Lady Birdwood? (40)
EM: Oh yes, I've heard of her. Has she republished it?
Question: Yes. [And she believes every single word of it!]
EM: I'll be damned.
Question: $A Racial Program For The Twentieth Century$.
EM: Yes, oh the Israel Cohen [book - which never existed!]. Well, 
that  again was something that was done a long time ago,  and  it 
keeps  popping  up. And I have no connection with  anybody  who's 
reprinting  or  distributing any of these things at  the  present 
time.
Question: Where did you obtain that from?
EM:  I got that at the Library of Congress, I think it's  in  the 
Congressional  Record,  I'm not sure. It goes back  a  long  way. 
[Laughing.]
Question: Let me put this to you as diplomatically as I can. $The 
Rabbi's  Speech$  and Israel Cohen's $A Racial  Program  For  The 
Twentieth  Century$ are notorious anti-Semitic fabrications,  the 
products of a sick, diseased mind. Yours.
EM:  Really.  [Laughing.]  That's  a  rather  harsh  decision.  I 
couldn't agree with that.
Question:  Okay,  let's try some other stuff: $Jews  Mass  Poison 
American Children$.
EM: Gosh, I don't even remember that one. You're going back about 
forty years. At my age I don't remember things as well as I did. 
Question:  This was published in June 1955. I'm taking this  from 
page  215 of $ANTISEMITIC PROPAGANDA: An  Annotated  Bibliography 
and Research Guide$,$ $by Robert Singerman, published by Garland, 
(1982).
[See Appendix B for Mullins' entries in this bibliography.]
EM: I've never seen that. 
Question: You've got a few entries in it.
EM:  Have  I? A lot of things pop up...I will say that a  lot  of 
things  have  been  circulated with my  name  on  them.  [Mullins 
laughed here and tried to make a joke out of it.]
Question:  Do  you  deny that you wrote an article  on  the  Salk 
vaccine?
EM: I wrote an article on what?
Question: On the Salk polio vaccine?
EM:  I  may have. That again is going far back. As  you  see,  my 
books  over the last twenty-five years don't deal  with  anything 
[like that] because I went into deeper research on other subjects 
and I was no longer interested in those things.
Question:  $The Biological Jew$, which was published circa  1968, 
is  another of your works, I believe. I haven't seen it but  it's 
been described as a nasty little book. Perhaps you'd like to tell 
me why it isn't nasty. 
EM:  Interestingly enough, that whole theory came to me from  Joe 
McWilliams,  who was also called an anti-Semite. He was a  leader 
of  a Christian front back in the forties in New York City.  (41) 
He was an Irish Catholic and he had practically all of the  Irish 
policemen in New York City as members of his group. And he  deve-
loped this theory that Jewish people over the years had developed 
a parasitic method of life, [battening] on their host and so  on. 
So I developed that, I did some work on parasitism at the Library 
of  Congress,  and it was a viable theory, and I  published  this 
book  in 1968. It's never been republished, but it's still  floa-
ting around.
Question: You think Jews are parasites?
EM:  This was a study of Jews in European history as a  parasitic 
organism,  and Pound himself believed that, he thought  that  the 
ghettos were a sort of parasitic enclave in the cities of Europe, 
so  it was certainly a theory worth pursuing, and I  pursued  it, 
though I've never done any more on it [sic] since 1968. (42)
Question: I don't know about parasitic, though they're  certainly 
paranoid,  but  with certain people [like  you]  around,  they've 
every right to be.
Your book, $Mullins' New History of the Jews$ was described by no 
less  a  person than A.K. Chesterton as rabidly  anti-Semitic  in 
$Candour$   magazine  in  an  article  entitled  $THIS   MAN   IS 
DANGEROUS$. (43)
EM: Oh yes, I saw that, and interestingly enough, not long  after 
that,  A.K.  Chesterton wrote to me appealing for me to  help  me 
collect  royalties from a publisher - we had the  same  publisher 
[Serpico?] of California - so after attacking me like this, a few 
weeks  later Chesterton writes to me asking me to do  anything  I 
could [sic] to help him collect royalties from Serpico, which  no 
one could collect royalties from Serpico [sic], there was nothing 
I could do. But I thought it was $chutzpah$ on his part, first he 
denounces me, then he asks for my help.
[The  fact that Chesterton asked him for help (if he did)  hardly 
mitigates the tone of the article, which was spot on. Incidental-
ly, I personally believed the Israel Cohen quote was genuine  for 
many  years  because it seemed just the sort of  stupid,  asinine 
thing a Jewish communist would say. Readers of $Socialist Worker$ 
will understand why.]
 Question: Money talks the same language. Now, you said you  were 
hounded by the FBI and that you were kicked out of the Library of 
Congress because of your researches.
EM:  I  was under daily surveillance for thirty-three  years,  my 
file shows that. And I was fired by direct FBI intervention,  but 
they  were  sent over by Senator Herbert Lehman who was  at  that 
time National Chairman of the Anti-Defamation League.
I'm  still battling the ADL by the way, I have a  thirty  million 
dollar  lawsuit  going against a newspaper in the States  now  on 
that same thing.
Question:  Leaving  aside  the fact that the ADL  is  a  somewhat 
feisty organisation, it was reported in a book, $They Never  Said 
It$,  by a person whose name escapes me, that you were sacked  by 
the Library of Congress for distributing anti-Semitica. (44)
EM:  No,  that's totally false, the record shows  that's  totally 
false  because I actually sued the Library of Congress for  rein-
statement,  and  in their denial of reinstatement, they  did  not 
mention  that, which they certainly would have, if that had  been 
the  case.  I've never seen that claim anywhere  in  print.  It's 
totally false. I have all the documents relating to my dismissal, 
which  was  as a probationary employee. And that was  never  men-
tioned as a cause; what they said was that I had been writing for 
the  $Social  Crediter$, but they did not say that it  was  anti-
Semitic.  The $Social Crediter$ had articles which were  critical 
of the Jews, but mainly it was not what you'd call an  anti-Semi-
tic newspaper. 
Question: I don't believe Douglas was an anti-Semite.
EM:  No, he was not, and the $Social Crediter$ was not  an  anti-
Semitic paper. I think it's out of print now, but I'm not sure.
Question:  In  1968 you published $My Life in Christ$,  which  is 
described  by Singerman as "90 pages, explains how  Marxist  Jews 
and the Mafia control the FBI and the CIA".
EM:  Yes, in fact that theme is further developed in my  book  $A 
Writ For Martyrs$ which is much longer, which contains 120  pages 
[reproduced from] my FBI file.
Question:$ Impeach Eisenhower?$
EM:  That was a pamphlet; I was a pamphleteer in those days,  and 
this lady had published this little paper in Chicago, and I wrote 
some rather inflammatory things for her at that time.
Question: Like: Eisenhower is a willing tool of his Jewish  advi-
sers, all of whom are international communist agents?
EM: Well, that was the [headline] on this thing which was put  on 
by  this lady - the editor - she was very,  openly  anti-Semitic. 
She  actually put some of these headlines on my  articles,  which 
were  inflammatory. At that time I was working with her, and  she 
was pretty much running it the way she wanted to.
Question: Who was she?
EM: Mrs Lyrl Clark Van Hyning, and the paper was called  $Women's 
Voice:  We  The Mothers United For America$. These were  the  mo-
thers'  groups  who  went to Washington  and  picketed  Roosevelt 
because  he  was trying to get us into the Second World  War.  In 
other  words,  these mothers did not want their  sons  killed  in 
foreign  wars. So they were approaching it from a  very  personal 
standpoint. 
[This lady's name was mistakenly given as Lyrl $Park$ Van  Hyning 
in the first edition. Her outfit appears to have been called  "We 
the Mothers Mobilize for America", though this mistake was  prob-
ably mine].
Question: You also wrote for $Christian Vanguard$?
EM:  Oh yes, I was [unclear] for $Christian Vanguard$ for  years; 
that paper's defunct now.
Question:  It is [or was] a grotesquely anti-Semitic paper;  I've 
seen it. (45) 
EM: $Christian Vanguard$ was actually a Christian identity  news-
paper which published most of the articles on Christian identity. 
It reprinted Dr Wesley Swift, Dr [unclear], but they did have,  I 
guess you would say, anti-Jewish articles from time to time. That 
paper is defunct now.
[$Christian  Vanguard$  may  have been its name,  but  there  was 
nothing  Christian  about it, although it was definitely  in  the 
vanguard  of extreme anti-Semitism. Issue 50 was a Julius  Strei-
cher "Memorial Edition", February 1976, a 16 page translation  of 
the  repulsive  May  1934 issue of Streicher's  hate  sheet  $Der 
St<129>rmer$. (46)]
Question: I read an article in it by Ben Klassen which made out a 
very  strong  case against the Federal Reserve, but  it  was  all 
Jews, Jews, Jews. [This article was actually published by Klassen 
himself  and is  listed by Singerman, page 324 (op cit)  as  $The 
Brutal  Truth  about  Inflation and  Financial  Enslavement.  The 
Federal  Reserve Board, the most Gigantic Counterfeiting Ring  in 
the  World$, published by the Church of the  Creator,  Lighthouse 
Point, Fla, (1979), 16 pages.]
EM:  Ben  Klassen  was very violently  anti-Semitic,  I've  never 
worked  with  him.  Later, he started his  own  newspaper  called 
$Racial Identity$.
Question: $Racial Loyalty$.
EM: $Racial Loyalty$ - I've never [had anything to do with that].
Question:  Harold  Covington described it as  $Racial  Toiletry$. 
(47)
EM: Harold Covington's an FBI agent, [that's been] known for many 
years.
Question: He's living in East London at the moment. (48)
EM: Is he really? He circulated some very violent smears  against 
me. [Laughing.]
Question: With respect, Mr Mullins, with respect to your  earlier 
career,  he wouldn't have had to try very hard. Do you deny  that 
you wrote $Jews Mass Poison American Children$?
EM: I don't recall that article at all.
Question: On the Salk vaccine.
EM: I think there again that was a headline which Mrs Van  Hyning 
put on it, and that that was not what the body of the article was 
about.  When  you  go back forty or so years  it's  difficult  to 
remember.  And these were very small circulation magazines  which 
had  about  fifteen  hundred circulation  throughout  the  United 
States.
[The fact that the circulation of such publications is very small 
gives the lie to the wilder claims of Organised Jewry that  there 
are  Nazis lurking behind every bush. But it in no way  mitigates 
the content of the articles.]
  Question: You don't consider yourself an anti-Semite?
EM:  Not  at  all, in my latest book, $Murder  By  Injection$,  I 
attribute  practically  all the directions of my research  -  not 
that  I used any of their material - to Maurice Beal  [sic?],  Dr 
Robert  Mendelsohn and Dr Emmanuel Josephson [sic?], and  I  knew 
the last two very well. These were three Jewish...
Question:  Robert Mendelsohn published a book called $Dissent  In 
Medicine$. (49)
EM: Yes, he died very suddenly of a heart attack. [He was] a  lot 
younger  than I am; a lot of people think he was done in. He  was 
appearing  on a lot of national TV shows. He was a  licensed  MD, 
[and] a member of the AMA, and he had begun to expose some of the 
abuses  of  the medical profession, and he really was  an  icono-
clast,  and my impression was that Robert Mendelsohn was  a  very 
brilliant, able fellow, and he began to do this out of a sort  of 
snobbery...because he was contemptuous of the other doctors, Jews 
and  non-Jews, that he had to work with. That's why he  began  to 
criticise them. (50)
Question: Do you believe Jews are parasites?
EM:  Parasites? Uh, no, as I say, this was a theme that  I  deve-
loped  in 1968 in that one book. I've never referred to it  again 
and in fact there is nothing about Jews in my last five books  in 
the past twenty years simply because I moved into larger spheres, 
the world order...
Question:  And  you realised that the Jewish question  is  a  red 
herring?
EM: It's a red herring. The only mention of Jews as I say is that 
I  mention that the direction of my research was guided by  these 
three  Jews,  and they're the only people that I mention  in  the 
book. They were largely responsible for my writing that book.
Question: Do you believe that communism is Jewish?
EM: No, I covered that in my talk today. Communism had a sort  of 
native Russian wing under Stalin and a more international  Jewish 
wing  under  Trotsky,  and the international  Jewish  wing  under 
Trotsky pretty well took over the Republican party of the  United 
States in 1980 under the guise of neo-conservatism.
Question: You don't believe that communism is a poison spread  by 
Jews?
EM:  No  indeed. Even though Karl Marx was  Jewish,  Trotsky  was 
Jewish  and so forth. They say Lenin was a Jew... [Marx may  have 
been  descended  from the rabbinate, but his  credentials  as  an 
anti-Semitic  propagandist are a matter of record though  largely 
(and pragmatically) forgotten today.]
Question: No. (51)
EM: But I don't consider that a particularly Jewish operation. 
Question:  You do realise that the two  outstanding  intellectual 
opponents of communism this century were both Jews: Ayn Rand  and 
Ludwig von Mises? (52)
EM:  Oh,  well, I would say that Ayn Rand was not so  much  anti-
communist  as a native American conservative who believed in  the 
free market system. [Ayn Rand was actually born in Russia.]
Question:  Do you believe in the Jewish world conspiracy  or  the 
world Zionist conspiracy?
EM: Well, there definitely is a worldwide Zionist movement  which 
is conspiratorial and which manifests itself in many ways through 
the  depredations of Mossad and the Anti-Defamation League,  [the 
latter  of] which I come into personal contact with quite  frequ-
ently.  Most  of  the attacks on me here  in  England  have  come 
through  the  Anti-Defamation League; that  is  an  international 
organisation, so that certainly would be an international Zionist 
conspiracy  because I have never been in England, my  books  have 
never  been circulated over here, and suddenly when I come  here, 
there  are these virulent articles that I am a  sinister  lunatic 
and so forth, which of course is pre-judgment... (53)
 Question:  Okay,  I won't push you on the authorship  of  Israel 
Cohen's  $Program$ and $The Rabbi's Speech$, but do  you  believe 
they are genuine?
EM: They were certainly brought to me under good auspices.
Question: By whom?
EM: By someone who came to me through the embassy...
[He pretended that he couldn't remember.]
Question:  You  do accept that there is a  tremendous  amount  of 
anti-Jewish fabrication circulated by anti-Semitic groups?
EM:  Strangely  enough I find that there's practically  no  anti-
Semitic  provocation  in the United States at the  present  time. 
Almost  all  the old anti-Semitic  newspapers  have  disappeared: 
$Women's  Voice,  Common Sense$ and so forth.  I  don't  consider 
Willis Carto's $Spotlight$ an anti-Semitic publication.
[Possibly he misheard fabrication for provocation.]
Question:  No, but the $Protocols of Zion$ is still  in  circula-
tion; surely you don't believe that to be true?
EM: The $Protocols of Zion$ were proven before a court in  Berne, 
Switzerland,  to be a forgery. And a forgery is  an  unauthorised 
copy  of  something which does exist. If you sign my  name,  that 
does  not mean that my name doesn't exist, it means  that  you've 
forged my [signature]. So from that standpoint, that they've been 
officially, legally found as a forgery, I would have to say  that 
there is some basis for them somewhere.
[This is the sort of specious argument which the more  "sophisti-
cated" anti-Semitic propagandists use. It is nothing more than  a 
semantic  fallacy  because the word "forgery" when used  in  this 
sense clearly refers to a fabrication.]
Question: Have you read Herman Bernstein's refutation? (54)
EM: No, I haven't.
Question:  Bernstein  traces the $Protocols$  to  Maurice  Joly's 
$Dialogues  In  Hell$, and proves conclusively that  they  are  a 
plagiarism of this work. 
EM:  Joly,  yes, I've heard of that, but I haven't gone  into  it 
that deeply.
Question: Do you accept that the $Protocols$ were used to  incite 
hatred against the Jewish people?
EM: By the secret police?
Question:  By organised Jew-haters. By the fellow  travellers  of 
Henry Ford, and by anti-Semitic propagandists to this day.
EM: Henry Ford believed them to be true, and Henry Ford was not a 
dummy by any means.
Question: I don't doubt that, but we can all be wrong. We've just 
seen  a  university graduate in there telling us that  the  Nazis 
flew  to  Mars at the end of the War and that they had  a  secret 
military  base on Antarctica. So you don't have to be a  fool  to 
believe rubbish.
EM: No, that's true. I think too people always look for  melodra-
ma,  and  perhaps the $Protocols$ were a bit of  melodrama  which 
excited  Henry Ford's interest. Hitler had Ford's  photograph  on 
his desk.
Question:  By organised Jew-haters. By the fellow  travellers  of 
Henry Ford, and by anti-Semitic propagandists to this day.
EM: Henry Ford believed them to be true, and Henry Ford was not a 
dummy by any means.
Question: I don't doubt that, but we can all be wrong. We've just 
seen  a  university graduate in there telling us that  the  Nazis 
flew  to  Mars at the end of the War and that they had  a  secret 
military  base on Antarctica. So you don't have to be a  fool  to 
believe rubbish.
EM: No, that's true. I think too people always look for  melodra-
ma,  and  perhaps the $Protocols$ were a bit of  melodrama  which 
excited  Henry Ford's interest. Hitler had Ford's  photograph  on 
his desk.
Question:  Yes,  he  did. Now can we talk a bit  about  the  real 
conspiracy?
EM: Sure.
Question: The Federal Reserve conspiracy is a reality. The Fed is 
a  private banking institution, it's run for profit for  a  small 
clique of international financiers, there's no doubt about  that. 
How can we get rid of the Fed?
EM:  In my book $The World Order$, in the last chapter,  I  point 
out  very  decisively  that  all  of  these  operations:  pitting 
Christians  against Jews, and various nationalities against  each 
other,  are manipulated by the World Order in order  to  maintain 
their control.
Question: I'll tell you something: there are two factions of  the 
so-called anti-fascist movement in this country. The  pro-Zionist 
faction is led by a man named Gable, who claims to be Jewish.  He 
is  of  Jewish origin, and he is a proven agent of  MI5.  It  did 
occur to me sometime ago that anti-Semites aren't the only people 
who noticed that there are a lot of Jews involved in the  commun-
ist movement, and people like Gable are deliberately selected, as 
a red herring. (55)
EM:  There again that's now ancient history, the number  of  Jews 
who were involved in communism. Of the first commissars in Soviet 
Russia,  I think three hundred and twenty were Jews or  something 
like  that.  As I say, that has now become irrelevant, but  I  do 
think  that  people were acting on a valid  premise.  Congressman 
John  Rankin of Mississippi stood up on the floor of Congress  in 
1940  and said that 96% of American communists are Jews.  And  no 
one challenged him, and no one's ever challenged him to this day. 
That's  a  pretty  high figure but there again  J.  Edgar  Hoover 
probably gave him that figure. J. Edgar Hoover was always in  the 
background feeding information but never taking a stand himself.
[This  is  the same J. Edgar Hoover whom Mullins  would  have  us 
believe allowed Marxist Jews to run the FBI!]
Question:  When  you talk about Jews here though  you're  talking 
about  racial  Jews as opposed to religious Jews. Have  you  ever 
seen a communist wearing a skull cap? 
EM: No, I haven't, but [regarding] the racial/religious division, 
you  will find that quite often Jewish people will overlook  that 
and  ally  themselves very quickly against any threat  to  Jewish 
people.  They do generally overlook their differences  to  defend 
themselves against a common enemy. Anyone who they think is anti-
Jewish.
Question: Anyone they don't like, in other words?
EM: Anyone they don't like, or consider as a threat.
Question:  Another  "anti-Semitic myth" is that of  Jewish  media 
control, yet at one time, every studio in Hollywood was owned  by 
Jews. That's a fact, isn't it?
[It is indeed a well-documented, indisputable fact, one which  is 
always  met  with specious charges of  "anti-Semitism".  See  for 
example, $The Jewish Image in American Film$ (Appendix A) or  the 
embarrassingly titled: $An Empire of their Own$. (56)]
EM: Very much so. Not only were they owned by Jews, but they were 
financed by Jewish bankers in New York, principally Kuhn Loeb and 
Lehman  Brothers  [who] up till 1940 pretty much  controlled  the 
purse  strings  of every movie produced in  Hollywood.  That's  a 
matter  of  record. So, the Jewish producers  in  Hollywood  were 
answerable to the Jewish bankers in New York.
Question: There is though a fallacy here. [And one that is by  no 
means  obvious.] This is that because a lot of Jews work  in  the 
media,  that they all control it, and that because a lot of  Jews 
are rich, they all are. (10)
  EM: Most of the Jews that I've met are not rich. The rich  Jews 
don't  associate  with me, but most of the Jewish people  that  I 
have met throughout my career have been of very modest means. 
Question: Antony Sutton, you're familiar with his work?
EM: Very much so, yes.
Question:  He  cited your work in $Wall Street and  the  Rise  of 
Hitler$,  and  appears to have come to the  reluctant  conclusion 
that there is a [world] conspiracy.
[No,  he  didn't  cite Mullins' work in this book;  this  was  my 
mistake! What he does do in Chapter Twelve, $Conclusions$, is  to 
pose  the question: Is the United States Ruled by  a  Dictatorial 
Elite?  He  then compares the consistency of the theses  of  five 
Revisionist  authors  including Gary Allen, ($None Dare  Call  It 
Conspiracy$)  and Carroll Quigley, ($Tragedy and Hope$). He  does 
though  list  Mullins' $The Federal Reserve  Conspiracy$  in  the 
bibliography to his own 1977 monograph, $The War on Gold$. (57)]
EM: A Jewish conspiracy?
Question: A conspiracy.
EM:  I know Tony quite well, and Tony himself never  touched  the 
Jewish  question with the tip of a pole, and in fact in  none  of 
his books or his lectures will he discuss this situation. 
Question: In $Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution$ he  makes 
it clear that it was Gentile interests that financed Trotsky  and 
co. (58)
EM: Yes, very much so.
Question:  And that the whole Jewish conspiracy thing was put  up 
as a red herring.
EM:  Yes, you see, the first recognition of the Bolshevik  regime 
by  the rest of the world: England and America in particular,  it 
was  all Jewish, so it was quite easy to draw the inference  that 
the  communists  were Jewish because they did not  know  who  the 
backers were.
Question: In other words it was raceless capital?
EM:  I  make all this clear in $The World  Order$,  that  they're 
constantly manipulating all the forces in the world against  each 
other  in  any way that they can. If they can get  Jews  fighting 
each other or Jews fighting Christians, that's fine, that's  what 
they want.
Question: Conflict management?
EM: Yes.
Question:  In $The Most Secret Science$, Archibald Roberts  lists 
eight banks which own the Fed, seven of which have Jewish  names. 
(59) What are they doing to get rid of the Fed? 
EM:  Nothing.  Absolutely nothing. There's no  movement  at  all. 
Roberts  got  some of the legislatures  to  [table]  resolutions, 
that's  over a twenty year period, and he's pretty much  inactive 
at the present time. As far as I know, nothing is being done.  As 
far as I know, Carto is sponsoring bills in Congress to audit the 
Fed, which I don't see will have any effect one way or the other. 
It  might even give them legitimacy, putting them under  official 
government  audit, which will make the people believe  that  they 
are indeed official government institutions. 
Question: How much is the US National Debt?
EM: Four trillion dollars.
Question: So who owns that debt?
EM: Japan owns one third of it.
Question: When you say Japan, what do you mean?
EM: The Japanese bankers.
Question:  What  would happen if this debt were  to  be  annulled 
overnight?
EM: I don't think this would have any effect at all. The repudia-
tion of debt simply means that it continues to be rolled over  or 
amortised by other means. There is never a total repudiation.
Question: Why not? Surely that would be possible.
EM:  Total  repudiation would mean that all of  the  paper  would 
become  worthless  immediately, and this is never  the  case.  It 
continues to be traded, it's scaled down, that's what happens.
Question:  The  point  is that we've been fed this  idea  by  the 
enemies  of  freedom that money has to come into  circulation  as 
debt.
EM:  Yes, that's the old Babylonian system, five  thousand  years 
old.
Question: If the debt were to be completed repudiated, you'd have 
debt-free dollars. 
EM: Definitely.
Question: Under the current system, if the government wants say a 
billion dollars, it goes to the bankers who float a bond and  the 
money is created as a debt to the bankers.
EM: Yes, that's right.
Question: But all the government has to do is issue its own notes 
[or credit]. 
EM:  Oh definitely, the Constitution Article 1, Section  8,  pro-
vides  for that - Congress shall have the right to  issue  money. 
The Founding Fathers thought they were giving us debt-free money, 
but the banks were issuing national bank notes, which were inter-
est-bearing notes. Then Lincoln issued the greenbacks, which were 
non-interest bearing notes. He was assassinated. John F.  Kennedy 
issued non-interest bearing notes, and he was assassinated.
Question:  Kennedy actually did issue non-interest  bearing  bank 
notes?
EM:  Yes, I've seen them, they're all around. Kennedy  issued  US 
Treasury notes. 
Question: You believe this was the reason he was assassinated?
EM: The movie $JFK$ and L. Fletcher Prouty, whose book the  movie 
is  based  on,  Fletcher is very intimately  connected  with  the 
military-industrial  complex,  and he felt that the  trigger  was 
Kennedy's  resolve  to pull out of Vietnam because there  was  no 
point  in it, [the Vietnam War]. Outside of  the  military-indus-
trial  complex wanting it, nobody else wanted it. So they  simply 
killed him. It's more likely that he was killed over Vietnam than 
over the Federal Reserve, but it certainly could have been both.
Question: Who do you think killed him?
EM: Definitely the CIA and the Mafia working together.
Question: The CIA and the Mafia working together?
EM:  Mark Lane has been on national television many times in  the 
States  and has said baldly that the CIA killed Kennedy,  and  no 
one's ever really refuted that. (60)
Question: Do you believe in the "Holocaust"?
EM: I think the "Holocaust" probably was exaggerated, the  number 
of  casualties.  In fact now they've scaled down  the  number  of 
[Jews  allegedly  killed in Auschwitz] from four million  to  one 
[million].
Question: One and a half million?
EM: One and a half.
Question: Do you believe in the gas chambers?
EM:  All the evidence that I've seen and the new evidence  that's 
coming out now [indicates] that the gas chambers were built after 
the  War.  The  Simon Wiesenthal Centre of  course  continues  to 
promote  the old hard line....My brother actually went to  Dachau 
concentration camp...two years ago; he brought back a  photograph 
on  the  wall, a big photograph saying THESE  GAS  CHAMBERS  WERE 
NEVER USED AS GAS CHAMBERS.
That's  what the tourists see when they go to Dachau, that  there 
were no gas chambers used to exterminate people, and so when  you 
have all these things, then I certainly think you have to take  a 
hard  look at all these claims which are quite fantastic and  say 
let's look into it further.
[Simon Wiesenthal is, of course, the famous "Nazi hunter". For  a 
slightly  more  objective view of Wiesenthal, the reader  is  re-
ferred  to  pages 120-2 of $The Journal  of  Historical  Review$, 
Volume Five, Number, One, 1984. (61)]
Question:  While we're still on the subject of the Jews, did  you 
write a pamphlet called $Jewish TV: Sick, Sick, Sick!$?
EM:  I  may have, I don't know, as I said, I was doing a  lot  of 
pamphleteering. I used to turn out those things in a few minutes, 
and  it's quite possible I did, but then again you'll  find  that 
this was thirty or forty years old.
[Mullins  adopted  this  apologetic attitude every  time  he  was 
questioned  about his anti-Semitica. Does this  signify  remorse, 
perhaps?]
Question:  There was no orchestrated campaign to keep you out  of 
the country. Mike Whine of the Board of Deputies of British  Jews 
was quoted in $Time Out$ magazine; he said your ideas are so  mad 
they're  laughable. Normally they try to keep people  [like  you] 
out. They kept Z<129>ndel out, for example.
EM: Z<129>ndel they considered a more direct threat because  he's 
a German, so he's going back and forth between Germany and  Cana-
da, but by my position in the States, having no affiliation  with 
any political party or any large movement, I don't think  they're 
[too concerned].
Question: How can we get rid of the Fed and the Bank of England?
EM:  The  Bank of England is supposed to be nationalised,  so  it 
belongs  to the people. You can't do anything about the  Bank  of 
England.
Question: We've got a National Debt as well.
EM:  Of  course, whenever you have a Central Bank you'll  have  a 
National Debt; that's what a Central Bank's created for. When the 
Bank of England started operation in 1694, you started to have  a 
National  Debt soon after that, and then there was  war  finance, 
they  financed wars and built up a healthy debt to the Bank,  and 
you've been [struggling] under that load ever since.
Question:  The  point  though is that the debt is  owned  by  the 
bankers, isn't it?
EM:  Oh definitely, always, because people have no  ownership  of 
the  debt. In the States, a widow can buy a T bill for ten  thou-
sand  dollars,  and you can say that she's a part  owner  of  the 
debt, but actually what she has is a banking instrument, a  nego-
tiable  instrument  of  the bankers themselves.  It's  worth  ten 
thousand dollars only in law as the bankers agree that it can  be 
paid.
Question: Could we form pressure groups to get rid of the Fed?
EM: That's a start, you want pressure groups.
Question:  We could get rid of the debt if we tried.  Politicians 
don't  seem to understand it, they don't even seem to realise  it 
exists. You might just as well be talking about flying saucers on 
Mars. 
EM: The politicians are practical...All their funding comes  from 
bankers.  You  have  wealthy people who give ten  thousand  or  a 
hundred  thousand dollars to politicians, but by and large  their 
funds come through the banks one way or another. As long as  that 
situation exists, the politicians are not going to take up  [this 
issue] in any serious way.
Question: You didn't mention the role of the Bilderberg Group  or 
the Trilateral Commission in your speech. 
EM:  The Trilaterals are simply another instrument of  the  World 
Order of the bankers. You have the Council on Foreign  Relations, 
the Royal Institute of International Affairs...these think tanks. 
These think tanks exist solely to present palatable programmes to 
the people of what the bankers want to accomplish. Naturally they 
can't  say  "We want to do this for ourselves", so  they  present 
them  as  programmes to improve the  infrastructure,  to  improve 
education and to borrow more billions of dollars from the bankers 
to achieve these goals, and most people fall for it.
Question:  One last word on anti-Semitism. If we get rid  of  the 
anti-Semitic  element,  can we reform the  financial  system  for 
everybody's benefit?
EM:  In  the States there's actually  very  little  anti-Semitism 
anywhere  because  it's been made totally  unfashionable  by  the 
bankers  themselves. Anyone who criticises Jews [they say]  wants 
another "Holocaust".
Question: The point is that anyone who criticises the bankers  is 
implied to be criticising Jews.
EM: Not in the States.
Eustace Mullins, thank you very much.

This was the end of our interview. Later, I introduced Mr Mullins 
to Lady Birdwood. Lady Birdwood, this is Mr Eustace Mullins,  the 
author of $The Rabbi's Speech$: I said. No, he discovered it, she 
said.  It's a complete fraud, isn't it, Mr Mullins?  There  never 
was a Rabbi Rabinovich. At this point, a certain geriatric inter-
jected that he'd always maintained that $The Rabbi's Speech$  was 
a fraud.
  This was the person who had nearly been ejected from the  meet-
ing  for standing up during Vladimir Terziski's presentation  and 
lambasting  him  for calling the Nazis Satanic.  You're  a  dirty 
liar!  Why don't name the real culprits? The international  Jews! 
And  here  he  was in his Dalek-like  staccato,  denouncing  $The 
Rabbi's  Speech$. "The whole thing is absolute rubbish!" Is  this 
the  "selective  anti-Semitism" that Henry Ford was  supposed  to 
have  practised?  "I'm  absolutely against  that;  communism  and 
Zionism  are not identical forces...they might on certain  levels 
cooperate, but they're aetiologically totally disparate."
The  reality is that a lot of people who are in no sense  of  the 
word anti-Semitic, believe in the world Jewish conspiracy or  the 
Zionist  world conspiracy, for there is good $prima  facie$  evi-
dence for it. In the United States if not in Britain, Jews can in 
some sense be said to control the media, and they have  certainly 
had  pretty much their own way with regard to US  foreign  policy 
over the past four and a half decades. This though has been  more 
of  a partnership between the Israelis and the fascists who  have 
hijacked  the State Department, than overt Zionist  manipulation. 
(62)
Then there is the embarrassing plethora of Jewish names  associa-
ted  with banking, big business and the  mysterious  quasi-secret 
power elites which somehow never get a mention in the  mainstream 
press,  a  press  which is fiercely proud  of  its  independence, 
remember?
However,  on  closer examination, the  Jewish/Zionist  conspiracy 
does not hold water, although there is certainly dirty work afoot 
here.  We  conclude  this  section with  the  rest  of  the  Mary 
Seal/Keith Mears interview.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <3v3i3p$gu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jwccti1@aol.com "JWCCTI1" writes:
>     "There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that 
> so many Jews are Bolshevists.  The ideals of Bolshevism are 
> consonant with many of the highest ideals of Judaism."  -'Jewish 
> Chronicle', London, April 4, 1919

This quote is accurate, I've got the entire article, but rather than an
endorsement of Bolshevism this article is a long, boring, trashy piece of
waffle such as any journalist would write.
 
>     "We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain destroyers forever.  
> Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands.  We 
> will forever destroy because we need a world of our own."  
> -Maurice Samuels, 'You Gentiles', p. 155, Harcourt, Brace. 1924
> 
> MY COMMENT: doesn't sound genuine.  

It is, unfortunately.

>     "We Jews, who have posed as Saviours of the World, we are 
> today nothing else but the world's seducers, its destroyers, its 
> incendiaries, its executioners."  -Oscar Levy
> 
> MY COMMENT: Who is Oscar Levy?  Sounds fraudulent to me.  I disagree at
> any rate.

This is true as well. Dr Oscar Levy wrote an introduction to an edition of
de Gobineau's Inequality of the Races praising him as a true prophet. Incidentally
this book is by no means anti-black.


>     "Some call it Marxism - I call it Judaism."  -Rabbi Stephen S. 
> Wise, 'The American Bulletin', May 15, 1935

This is a proven fake; even Lincoln Rockwell admitted it. What the fuck was
the American Bulletin?
 
 
>     "We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is 
> racial tension.  By propounding into the consciousness of the dark 
> races that for centuries they have been oppressed by the whites, we 
> can mold them to the program of the Communist Party.  In 
> America we will aim for subtle victory.  While inflaming the 
> Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to install in 
> the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negros.  
> We will aid the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of 
> life, in the professions and in the world of sports and 
> entertainment.  With this prestige, the Negro will be able to 
> intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver 
> America to our cause."  -Israel Cohen 'A Racial Program for the 
> Twentieth Century,' 1912, Congressional Record, p8557, 1957

This is the work of Eustace Mullins; it was exposed in the Washington Star
February 1958, by A.K. Chesterton in 1968 and by yours truly in Global
Deception 1993 and Not The Protocols of Zion! 
The real Israel Cohen was not amused.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Believe us anyway. Or else we'll call you anti-Semitic
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Yes Al, Roberts, and all you other fucking Nazis:

there are fake photographs  believe us anyway
some of the photos were staged  believe us anyway
Filip Muller's book is worthless - Pressac   believe us anyway
yes, Al, the photo of the naked women on the way to the gas chamber
was retouched, they were old women, not young ones as shown   believe us
anyway

yes Al, some of the testimony is unbelievable    believe us anyway

yes, some SS men were tortured, particularly at the Dachau trials
believe us anyway

yes Al, the photos have been used as PROOF, at least as far as the
general public is concerned, but academics have seen the documents 
which prove it happened   believe us anyway

If you don't believe us, Al, you're an anti-Semite. The Revisionists are
always lying, even when they uncover the truth, they are always lying.

They are all anti-Semites. There can't be any other reason. Believe us Al,
we wouldn't lie to you.


In fact Al, you're an anti-Semite anyway, you HATE the Jews. There can't 
be any other reason for anyone to dispute or question any aspect of the
Holocaust. You hate the Jews. Face it Al, you're not just undiplomatic,
you're a raving anti-Semite. No Jew would ever lie to you, and if you claim
any Jew ever would or did lie about the Holocaust, you must be an anti-Semite.
You're even an anti-Semite for accusing Gentiles of lying, because only an
anti-Semite would dare challenge the holy writ of the Holocaust. Do you
read me, Al?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           bzs@world.std.com "Barry Shein" writes:

 
> >That's sixteen publications which PROVE the Jewish conspiracy. 
> 
> No, Baron, they prove nothing of the sort.
> 
> What they do prove is that you're a moron. A hate-mongering, nazi
> moron at that.
> 
> Just who do you think you are kidding?

World Conquest is not the Protocols, but you miss the point Mr Shein. The
point I was trying to make is that all these documents have been adduced
as proof of world Jewish control yet they are all nonsense. I could cite
dozens more. Again, the point is that it is not the quantity of the 
evidence that is at issue in the Holocaust Debate but the quality of it.

Do you understand now?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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a couple of observations about SS man Pery Broad:

Broad's testimony is above all a chronicle of a few striking events at the camp,
and, in my opinion, incapable of providing precise details about the Bukers
and the crematoria. After assessing its reliabilty, no conscientous historian
should be able to give credence to it, unless and until it has been stripped
of its Jewish influence, or until the original - if it exists - is published.

That is an honest assessment.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <3v34b5$kka@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
           uroessl1@gwdg.de "Roessler  Ulrich" writes:
> And I only wanted Mr.Baron to open once the volumes with the 
> proceedings and documents of the Nuremberg trials and look for himself. 
> Apparently, he will never do so, rather he will endlessly babble 
> "Staeglich points out", "Butz points out" like a defect sound chip
> somebody has tampered with.

I really don't see the point of doing this because like Keren, Mazal and 
all the other polemicists you'll simply ignore the answer and accuse me of lying
about something else, as Cole says: the Revisionist is always a liar.

Since you insist though:

26 July 1946 IMT XIX, pages 433-4: "Shall we do less when not one but on 
the lowest computation 12 million men, women, and children, are done to death?
Not in battle, not in passion, but in the cold, calculated, deliberate attempt
to destroy nations and races...Twelve million murders!...Murder conducted 
like some mass production industry in th gas chambers and the 
ovens of Auschwitz, Dachau, Treblinka, Buchenwald, Mauthausen, Maidenek, and
Oranienberg" etc ad nauseum.

That was Shawcross, the UK prosecutor.
Satisfied?

This trash about the non-existence Dachau and Buchenwald gas chambers is
also reported in Lord Russell's trashy "Scourge of the Swastika".


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           bzs@world.std.com "Barry Shein" writes:

Mr Shein, 

I thought you were one of the more intelligent people in this newsgroup,
as you contributed to a book on the Internet. However, you appear to have
gone the way of all flesh. Let me then point out the reason for my posting;
it was to demonstrate that you can have reams and reams of evidence, but if
it's all crap it doesn't matter how much you've got. Ie the big lie technique
all over again.

Read my posting on Mullins and then apologise.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: ag@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Date: 27 Jul 95 06:25:50 
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 ABdcu> That's sixteen publications which PROVE the Jewish conspiracy.
 ABdcu> How much proof do you want? Isn't the quantity enough? Can they
 ABdcu> all be forged, can all the documentation in them all be wrong,
 ABdcu> misinterpreted or faked?

Give me a week and I'll have 32 documents "proving" that you are a
known murderer and child-molester.

Your "documents" are of equal worth.

 ABdcu> In short, Mr Stein, Dr Keren, do you believe that if an enormous
 ABdcu> lie is told and repeated incessantly, that it must contain even
 ABdcu> a grain of truth?

No they don't. That's why your repetition doesn't impress them.

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