From: email@example.com (Michael P. Stein) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Ball's own photo challenges Ball's claim Date: 21 Mar 1997 11:30:37 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 146 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <331E146D.7A2D@uniserve.com> Reply-To: email@example.com NNTP-Posting-Host: access5.digex.net Xref: news2.digex.net alt.revisionism:150941 In article <331E146D.7A2D@uniserve.com>,
wrote: >In response to Mr. Stein's posting regarding the Schindler's List >Plaszow camp on my site at www.air-photo.com/plaszow/plaszow_frame.html. > >Mr. Stein states Goeth had a 'temporary villa' located on a hill at the >other end of the camp from the location on my 1996 map, from where he >shot inmates from his doorstep. His evidence is page 192 of Ken >Keneally's 1993 book Schindler's List. > >I believe the following evidence shows Goeth had just one residence from >the summer of 1943 to Sept. 1944, from where he could not have seen or >shot camp inmates: The book states that Goeth's orders giving him command of the Plaszow camp were dated 12th February 1943 (p. 161), late winter. Therefore there is no definite inconsistency. However, as shown below, Mr. Ball has unwittingly demonstrated that the shooting _described in the book_ was not blocked by the hill even from the house he acknowledges was Goeth's. >1. The map used at Goeth's 1946 trial, and reproduced in the 1946 Polish >government trial record book, identified Goeth's residence, with no >mention of a previous 'temporary' villa, > >2. A summer 1943 photo shows the constructed residence with the hill >behind it (map # 21), and another 1943 photo shows Goeth on the rear >balcony (map # 17 and 18). > >3. Air photos show that a hill behind the building blocked the view of >the inmate's camp, so that Goeth could not have seen any part of the >inmate's camp from his balcony or doorstep. I thank Mr. Ball for the photos, which prove that the shooting _as described in the book_ was not over the hill from _either_ house. The location of the temporary villa is described on p. 162 as being near the administration building, which means it was also near the point from which the picture of Goeth's later house (or only house, according to Mr. Ball) was taken. Note this critical sentence: "The Herr Commandant might be able to notice the tracks being laid for trolleys which would be used in hauling stones." The book does not give enough description here to know precisely where this track ran. Now let us turn back to p. 192, and review just a few critical sentences: "He would scan the camp area, the work at the quarry, the prisoners pushing or hauling the QUARRY TRUCKS ON RAILS WHICH PASSED BY HIS DOOR. ... Within the first few days of the camp's life he appeared thus at his FRONT door and shot a prisoner who did not seem to be pushing hard enough at A CART LOADED WITH LIMESTONE. ... With one blast from the doorstep, the man was plucked from the group of pushing and pulling captives and hurled sideways IN THE ROAD. [emphasis mine]" Now look at the photo of Goeth's house, #14 on Mr. Ball's map of Plaszow. It is taken from #21, which is around the area given for the temporary villa. In the photo, looking up toward's Goeth's house, you can see to one side of the ROAD the narrow RAILS described in the book for those QUARRY TRUCKS - one of which was being pushed by the person Goeth shot. From the text on the map, I gather that the shot is of the front of the house, as the balcony was said to be at the rear. I sent an email asking for confirmation of this, but never received an answer. While the front door cannot be seen in the photo, it doesn't look to me as if it requires much of an angle change to establish a line of sight between the door and a point on the rails, which seem to approach the house even more closely as they continue around a curve to the right. It looks to me as if the road in front of the photographer slopes down a little, which suggests that the ground behind him might be higher. Note that if the photo _is_ of the rear, then the photo is looking up at the balcony, and there would be no question about it - a line of sight would exist to the spot of the photo, which fits the description of where the shooting took place. Mr. Ball's own evidence challenges his claim, since he did not take care to read and properly interpret the description of the shooting contained in the book. As Ingrid Rimland is fond of saying, that's the way the cookie crumbles. >4. At Goeth's 1946 Polish trial, none of the previous Plaszow detainees >who testified accused Goeth of shooting inmates from the balcony or >doorstep of his residence. He was accused of directing inmate executions >in the large quarry just outside camp, and so it is safe to assume that >anyone who had seen such terrible murders would have testified about >it. It is far from safe to assume that all witnesses were available for the prosecution. I point out that even without the chaos of post-WWII Europe interfering with an attempt to gather all possible evidence, the O. J. Simpson prosecution did not find the evidence of the Bruno Magli shoes. That was found later by the civil trial plaintiffs' lawyers. So I do not find Mr. Ball's argument here very compelling. >Amon Goeth's 1946 deposition is one of the only trial testimonies by a >former camp commander which outlines what camp life was actually like. >After demonstrating that a number of allegations against him would have >been impossible, Goeth said that physical abuse would have been in >conflict with the goal of developing a healthy work envionment in the >camp, and generated unrest and escape attempts. He said that when he did >once hear that a local warder named Michalski had abused an inmate, he >had the warder immediately dismissed. Further portions of Goeth's >testimony are on my site. *shrug* One would hardly expect Goeth to admit to murder. As for impossibilities, when did Mr. Ball become an expert in the psychology of dogs in addition to his status as an air photo expert? As for watching an execution in "the" quarry from a watchtower, I call Mr. Ball's attention to his own map, feature #19. As Mr. Ball's own map acknowledges, this is a second quarry site, mentioned on p. 162 of Thomas Keneally's book. I'd just like to know if Mr. Ball is sure he's thinking of the right quarry. From his map, there seem to be some watchtowers which would have a view of the small quarry. >In conclusion I used 1944 air photos and 1943 ground photos to draw a >camp map, and thereafter identified Goeth's residence from a 1946 trial >map. I then recognized from the air photos that a hill behind the house >blocked the view from the balcony or front steps to the inmate's camp. Except that the shooting was not described in the book as taking place in the inmates' camp. According to the book, the target was along the rail track for quarry carts. And Mr. Ball's own website photo shows that such a track was in the guard's section of the camp. The hill he makes so much of was not an impediment to a line of sight even from Goeth's _undisputed_ house to such a target point; from the spot described in the book for the temporary villa there seems little question that the shot would be trivial. Given that the house would only have been used for a few months at the very start of the camp's existence, I do not find its lack of mention at the trial to be compelling proof that such a temporary house never existed. >I hope this answers Mr. Stein's questions about the location of >Commander Goeth's residence. > John Ball - author: Air Photo Evidence It does, though not in the way that Mr. Ball intended. Posted/emailed to John Ball, Ingrid Rimland, Ross Vicksell, and Jack Wikoff. -- Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth. POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
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