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From henri@alaska.net Wed Jul  3 11:11:13 PDT 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: who stands to gain the most from an unarmed society? OR TO CREAT THE FEAR OF ONE?
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 00:46:03 -0700
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author@mainelink.net wrote:
> 
>      Brilliant! Since killers disregard the law, let's repeal the 
> statute prohibiting homicide! Oh, you're *so* clever. In fact, the Gun 
> Control Act allows agents to disarm violent criminals *before* they use 
> their weapons against the innocent.

Author at Mainelink is not very well informed. There is NO STATUTE 
against homicide. Homicide per se is not illegal. Some forms of homicide 
ARE illegal, but the illegality of the act of homicide must be proven. If 
homicide were illegal then those who act in self-defense could not use 
self-defense as their justification for killing their attacker. A blanket 
law against homicide would not find favour, either, with the military 
establishment or particularly with the CIA, MI5, Mossad, etc.

Author at Mainelink has his head... in the sand, shall we say, if he 
thinks that gun control laws take guns away from criminals. Criminals 
will *ALWAYS* have guns, don't you see, because they *ARE* criminals. Gun 
control laws only take guns away from law-abiding people so that they 
cannot defend themselves if the need should arise.  

Go out into the woods, Author at Mainelink, sit on a stump, and think 
long and quietly about all this. A passing squirrel may give you the 
wisdom you now seem to lack.  H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Thu Jul  4 07:43:51 PDT 1996
Article: 48207 of alt.revisionism
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: No surprise
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Michael P. Stein wrote:

> And blank lines have appeared many times in my posts.
> 


Indeed, the most profound statements emanating from Michael are to be 
found in the blank lines. Ignore the lines with typing in them, they are 
hopelessly garbled. H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Thu Jul  4 08:37:15 PDT 1996
Article: 64115 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Jim's Rant: Sun June 30
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Jim's rant is scattered all over the landscape. While I would agree that 
the Clintons are the target of the conservatives for whatever scurrilous 
behaviour could have been attributed to them (Bill and Hillary, that is) 
there is a growing hard core of material that is fairly well documented. 
And if Roger, Bill's own brother, speaks of Bill as "having a nose like a 
vacuum cleaner" with respect to cocaine, well, I for one believe that 
that is more than just smoke.

If it is any comfort to Jim, the Republican side of the equation is just 
as flawed, albeit in a somewhat different fashion. 

Rant on!     H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Thu Jul  4 08:37:16 PDT 1996
Article: 64173 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: RUMORS: CLINTON, ELECTION, GAMES...
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 11:19:46 -0700
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I've just read on a list that Bill Clinton let slip the statement that 
there wouldn't be any election this fall. Does anyone have any 
information on this? Was it really said? If so, where and under what 
circumstances?

Atlanta, Georgia, is reportedly "swarming with U.N. troops" to provide 
security for the Olympic games. It is rumored that a fabricated 
"terrorist" incident will be staged there, plenty of blood and loss of 
life, of course, and that this theatre-in-the-round will then be the 
excuse for a declaration of national martial law... which would 
then prevent the election from being held. Question: Those of you lurkers 
living in Atlanta, do you notice a concentration of UN troops?

Disclaimer: These are RUMORS as far as I am concerned. However, with all 
the bizarre revelations coming forth in the last five years about the 
conduct of the government and its members, I don't hold anything as 
impossible. It would be kind of nice, for once, to be ahead of the news, 
the real news, that is, not the kind that Dan, Tom, and Peter deal out. 
H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Thu Jul  4 10:15:48 PDT 1996
Article: 252714 of alt.politics.clinton
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: Jim's Rant: Sun June 30
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Jim's rant is scattered all over the landscape. While I would agree that 
the Clintons are the target of the conservatives for whatever scurrilous 
behaviour could have been attributed to them (Bill and Hillary, that is) 
there is a growing hard core of material that is fairly well documented. 
And if Roger, Bill's own brother, speaks of Bill as "having a nose like a 
vacuum cleaner" with respect to cocaine, well, I for one believe that 
that is more than just smoke.

If it is any comfort to Jim, the Republican side of the equation is just 
as flawed, albeit in a somewhat different fashion. 

Rant on!     H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Fri Jul  5 07:12:30 PDT 1996
Article: 64306 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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> Militias are gangsters.  Period.  They do not represent America or American
> values any more than the KKK or Nazis do, tho there are alot of similarities.
> They are just criminals or worse, folks who wanna be so bad they are willing
> to kill innocents to get their thrills.
> 
> Roger
> AIRBORNE!

This is nonsense, of course. Anyone with a scrap of sense can make the distinction 
between a war involving armies--such as the U.S. Eighth Army versus the Chinese 
Communist Army--and a struggle of an essentially civilian population to gain its own 
freedom or to maintain its own freedom against a government become tyrannical. If 
militias are gangsters then the American Revolutionary War was fought by gangsters 
against the legally constituted ruling force, namely the British. And if 
revolutionists are gangsters then Israel was founded by gangsters.

Anyone who does a bit of surfing on the web searching for the recent crimes of the 
Federal government quickly comes to realize that it is a tyrannical government which 
has the capability to kill the innocents and to act in every unlawful manner 
possible, not the private militia which must meet the exacting standards of morality 
of common people. H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Fri Jul  5 07:12:31 PDT 1996
Article: 64447 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: Were the FOUNDING FATHERS CHRISTIANS?????????????
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lness wrote:
> 
>         Deism was a philosophical movement popular in the 18th century.
> They believed that God created the earth, then left it alone.  No
> miracles, no saviors, etc.  They Unitarian church is their major
> descendant. Lester Ness     lness@ucs.indiana.edu

This doesn't tell the whole story about Deism. Thomas Paine, famous pamphleteer 
of the American Revolutionary War credited with crystallizing the revolt against 
the British, was a Deist. So were the first three presidents of the United 
States. Basically, Deism is a doctrine that states (1) God exists, (2) that no 
book can explain God fully, and (3) that each person must find his own 
revelation, that no one else can explain God to an individual or "give him God." 
The road toward religious understanding is a solitary one according to Deism. 
Thus, Deism is not a religion as such, merely a simple set of guidelines to help 
an individual in his quest for his own understanding of God. One of the early, 
and most famous, Deists was Francois-Marie Arouet, better known as Voltaire. He 
is remembered as a crusader against tyranny, bigotry, and cruelty.  H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Fri Jul  5 07:12:32 PDT 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: THE CURRENT INJUSTICE IN MONTANA
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> You have no idea what a tyranical government is because if you did, you
> would realize this USA is not a tyranny.  If we are living in tyranny then
> you are a real colonel.  Yeah, sure, excuse while I try to stop laughing.
> mildbill@ix.netcom.com

You are mistaking the point. There is no absolute definition of tyranny. In some 
societies, people who have been subject to repressive rule for several generations 
would interpret even a slight relaxation of harsh laws as freedom. In this society, 
where we have been quite free and think of ourselves as free, we now clearly see 
that we are losing some of our freedoms and even that this loss of freedoms is 
accelerating. Thus, this country is, in our relative scale of values, becoming 
tyrannical. 

It is far better to be acutely aware of loss of freedoms and to fight against such 
loss of freedoms, than to say, "Ah, well, I am still freer than some other places I 
can think of." To do so would invite an eventual virtual complete loss of freedoms. 
And by 'eventual' I don't mean to suggest that such complete loss of freedom would 
necessarily be in some far-distant future time. H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Sat Jul  6 11:40:11 PDT 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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> I'm not convinced either way....  There are other arguments besides
> "life"...    KORO

Indeed there are other arguments besides "life." These other arguments 
are gathered under the rubric "death." Thus, one must choose upon 
awakening each morning between self-preservation and self-immolation. As 
for me, I choose the former over the latter as a matter of policy. H. 
Ayre.


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From: Henry Ayre 
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Dan Evans wrote:
> 
> In <31DC1AC7.581C@alaska.net>, Henry Ayre  writes:
> 
> >In this society,
> >where we have been quite free and think of ourselves as free, we now clearly see
> >that we are losing some of our freedoms and even that this loss of freedoms is
> >accelerating.
> 
> What freedoms have been lost? Within the last 40 or 50 years, the U.S. Supreme 
> Court has given new meanings to the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments, giving people
> rights never before recognized in the history of our country.  Dan Evans 

You are arguing my case very successfully. The Supreme Court has indeed 
reinterpreted the Constitution and Amendments on a number of occasions, giving more 
freedom to some groups and less freedom to other groups. This is not a net gain in 
freedom, IMHO. On the other hand, all-powerful Federal government agencies can now 
quite arbitrarily bankrupt your business, forbid you to plow your land, seize your 
home and assets (even if you are completely innocent of any crime), throw you in 
jail for vague reasons of politics, and even torture you. Yes all these things have 
happened and do happen and happen more frequently now than ever before and have been 
amply documented on the web.

You apparently live in a little world of your own making and pleasure. For heaven's 
sake, start browsing the web more fully. Use your search engines. And don't ask me 
to provide documentation for my statements when documentation is at your very 
fingertips. H. Ayre.


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Article: 64713 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: who stands to gain the most from an unarmed society? OR TO CREAT THE FEAR OF ONE?
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Koro wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 03 Jul 96 00:13:40 CDT, Jim Zoes  wrote:
> In Article<4r9e3v$rm5@news.ime.net>,  writes:

> > >      Brilliant! Since killers disregard the law, let's repeal the statute
> > >      prohibiting homicide! Oh, you're *so* clever.

OH, **YOU** ARE SO CLEVER! There is no "statute prohibiting homicide." Homicide is 
not illegal. Murder is illegal. The difference is in the circumstances involving the 
violent death of a human being. That is why we have trials about murder... both real 
and on TV. The question is always, Is the homicide that occurred state-sanctioned in 
some way? That is why, if you kill someone with your handgun in the middle of the 
night, the big question is, was he in your house trying to rob you or rape your wife, 
OR WERE YOU IN HIS HOUSE TRYING TO ROB HIM AND RAPE **HIS** WIFE?

Dry your eyes and try to get a replacement for your non-functioning brain. H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Sat Jul  6 11:53:24 PDT 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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> I'm not convinced either way....  There are other arguments besides
> "life"...    KORO

Indeed there are other arguments besides "life." These other arguments 
are gathered under the rubric "death." Thus, one must choose upon 
awakening each morning between self-preservation and self-immolation. As 
for me, I choose the former over the latter as a matter of policy. H. 
Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Sat Jul  6 11:53:25 PDT 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Koro wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 03 Jul 96 00:13:40 CDT, Jim Zoes  wrote:
> In Article<4r9e3v$rm5@news.ime.net>,  writes:

> > >      Brilliant! Since killers disregard the law, let's repeal the statute
> > >      prohibiting homicide! Oh, you're *so* clever.

OH, **YOU** ARE SO CLEVER! There is no "statute prohibiting homicide." Homicide is 
not illegal. Murder is illegal. The difference is in the circumstances involving the 
violent death of a human being. That is why we have trials about murder... both real 
and on TV. The question is always, Is the homicide that occurred state-sanctioned in 
some way? That is why, if you kill someone with your handgun in the middle of the 
night, the big question is, was he in your house trying to rob you or rape your wife, 
OR WERE YOU IN HIS HOUSE TRYING TO ROB HIM AND RAPE **HIS** WIFE?

Dry your eyes and try to get a replacement for your non-functioning brain. H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Sat Jul  6 12:02:12 PDT 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Koro wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 03 Jul 96 00:13:40 CDT, Jim Zoes  wrote:
> In Article<4r9e3v$rm5@news.ime.net>,  writes:

> > >      Brilliant! Since killers disregard the law, let's repeal the statute
> > >      prohibiting homicide! Oh, you're *so* clever.

OH, **YOU** ARE SO CLEVER! There is no "statute prohibiting homicide." Homicide is 
not illegal. Murder is illegal. The difference is in the circumstances involving the 
violent death of a human being. That is why we have trials about murder... both real 
and on TV. The question is always, Is the homicide that occurred state-sanctioned in 
some way? That is why, if you kill someone with your handgun in the middle of the 
night, the big question is, was he in your house trying to rob you or rape your wife, 
OR WERE YOU IN HIS HOUSE TRYING TO ROB HIM AND RAPE **HIS** WIFE?

Dry your eyes and try to get a replacement for your non-functioning brain. H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Sat Jul  6 12:36:51 PDT 1996
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Koro wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 03 Jul 96 00:13:40 CDT, Jim Zoes  wrote:
> In Article<4r9e3v$rm5@news.ime.net>,  writes:

> > >      Brilliant! Since killers disregard the law, let's repeal the statute
> > >      prohibiting homicide! Oh, you're *so* clever.

OH, **YOU** ARE SO CLEVER! There is no "statute prohibiting homicide." Homicide is 
not illegal. Murder is illegal. The difference is in the circumstances involving the 
violent death of a human being. That is why we have trials about murder... both real 
and on TV. The question is always, Is the homicide that occurred state-sanctioned in 
some way? That is why, if you kill someone with your handgun in the middle of the 
night, the big question is, was he in your house trying to rob you or rape your wife, 
OR WERE YOU IN HIS HOUSE TRYING TO ROB HIM AND RAPE **HIS** WIFE?

Dry your eyes and try to get a replacement for your non-functioning brain. H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Sun Jul  7 12:26:59 PDT 1996
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> 
> >>This isn't a game anymore folks.  This is where the rubber meets the
> >>road, and this is where Congress must act to protect liberty from an
> >>imperial executive, gone awry.   The legislature must protect the
> >>country from possible tyranny.

(The above speaking about Filegate.)

Why is it that I strongly feel the U.S. Congress will do NOTHING effective about 
Filegate? Why is it that I strongly feel that Clinton will ride unmolested above 
the waves on this scandal as he has so cleverly with the numerous other scandals 
pinned on him? Probably because it is pretty evident to me that Clinton must hold 
some powerful offsets against those who would want to impeach him or drum him from 
office. And what could those powerful offsets consist of? In my mind Clinton must 
have trunkloads of documentation that top-ranking Republicans were up to their 
necks in the drug trade from Central and South America. He must have accumulated 
this evidence while he was governor of Arkansas and while Mena was in full swing. 
In my opinion, Nobody in Congress wants to touch the Mena thing with a hundred-foot 
pole because the closet is full of skeletons of both elephants and jackasses.

Look for nothing to happen but another big coverup.  H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Mon Jul  8 09:26:36 PDT 1996
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> You're saying that people actually give a *shit* about what's said on the net?  
> Michael Talley  mtalley@airmail.net

I suspect that depends on what is said and by whom. Now when it comes to statements 
made by Michael Talley, well, I'm not so sure.

(In a discussion about Orlin Grabbe.)


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> bathroom@iglou.com   http://members.iglou.com/bathroom
> If guns are outlawed, what will we shoot conservatives with?

I am against the misuse of firearms, and I certainly would not recommend discharging 
a firearm into a bathroom, but on this occasion I might allow an exception. H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Thu Jul 18 15:45:11 PDT 1996
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IS THE GOVERNMENT PLAYING GAMES WITH US ONCE MORE?
									
The current administration, with the help of the servile mass media, seems 
bent on retaining control of the government by being a principle player in 
a rapid series of dangerous, even fatal, events which are supposed to show 
to us morons out in TV-land just how badly we need this great government. 
The latest may be the crash of TWA flight 800. We don't at this time know 
why the 747 blew apart in mid-air and a bomb on board certainly is a 
strong possibility. But I hear that one witness claimed it was the result 
of a mid-air collision between the 747 and a small plane. Not at all 
impossible. 

This morning on "Good Morning America" we were advised by a ranking figure 
in the FAA to forget the mid-air possibility. It came across my screen 
more as an order than as a suggestion. Since the cause of the crash is not 
yet known why should we little people out in TV-land be ordered to forget 
one possible cause of the tragedy? Why should we ONLY consider the 
terrorist angle?                                                          
								      
Well, think of what the government wants, namely to retain power, to 
tighten its grip on power, even to go into a dictatorship mode. A major 
terrorist incident will help it do this, will help the passage of even 
more repressive and restrictive legislation by the sand-heads we have as 
congresspeople in Washington, D.C.

On the other hand, if the 747 went down as the result of a mid-air 
collision it would only highlight the fact that FAA equipment, in many 
cases, is obsolete and has been for more than a decade. It would only 
point out that this government, which wants us in the hinterlands to see 
as really great, has thrown money around (mostly abroad) like it was going 
out of style but hasn't spent a dime modernizing the air traffic control 
system so that we Americans can travel in safety.                         
								      
Could a mid-air collision have occurred without being detected on radar? 
Well, was the radar functioning correctly during that one minute of 
eternity? Doesn't this terribly old equipment have hiccups every so often? 
And was the air traffic controller alert at that moment?

So you can see, with the government in control of all the evidence, it can 
tell us whatever story will best suit its purpose. Don't expect the truth 
>from  this government. That is not what this government is all about. H. 
Ayre





From henri@alaska.net Thu Jul 18 17:26:36 PDT 1996
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Subject: TWA: Gamesmanship???
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IS THE GOVERNMENT PLAYING GAMES WITH US ONCE MORE?
									
The current administration, with the help of the servile mass media, seems 
bent on retaining control of the government by being a principle player in 
a rapid series of dangerous, even fatal, events which are supposed to show 
to us morons out in TV-land just how badly we need this great government. 
The latest may be the crash of TWA flight 800. We don't at this time know 
why the 747 blew apart in mid-air and a bomb on board certainly is a 
strong possibility. But I hear that one witness claimed it was the result 
of a mid-air collision between the 747 and a small plane. Not at all 
impossible. 

This morning on "Good Morning America" we were advised by a ranking figure 
in the FAA to forget the mid-air possibility. It came across my screen 
more as an order than as a suggestion. Since the cause of the crash is not 
yet known why should we little people out in TV-land be ordered to forget 
one possible cause of the tragedy? Why should we ONLY consider the 
terrorist angle?                                                          
								      
Well, think of what the government wants, namely to retain power, to 
tighten its grip on power, even to go into a dictatorship mode. A major 
terrorist incident will help it do this, will help the passage of even 
more repressive and restrictive legislation by the sand-heads we have as 
congresspeople in Washington, D.C.

On the other hand, if the 747 went down as the result of a mid-air 
collision it would only highlight the fact that FAA equipment, in many 
cases, is obsolete and has been for more than a decade. It would only 
point out that this government, which wants us in the hinterlands to see 
as really great, has thrown money around (mostly abroad) like it was going 
out of style but hasn't spent a dime modernizing the air traffic control 
system so that we Americans can travel in safety.                         
								      
Could a mid-air collision have occurred without being detected on radar? 
Well, was the radar functioning correctly during that one minute of 
eternity? Doesn't this terribly old equipment have hiccups every so often? 
And was the air traffic controller alert at that moment?

So you can see, with the government in control of all the evidence, it can 
tell us whatever story will best suit its purpose. Don't expect the truth 
>from  this government. That is not what this government is all about. H. 
Ayre





From henri@alaska.net Sat Jul 20 17:06:49 PDT 1996
Article: 68926 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: ********!!!!!! TWA 747 Crashes Off Long Island NY 217 Dead !!!!!!********
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psapp wrote:
> 
>         The latest report from 770 WABC is that the plane was downed by a
> missile. 

The one salient fact in this case of Flight 800 is that the pilot did not have time 
to issue a Mayday call. (At least, no one heard such a call and it must be assumed 
that none was made.) In other words, those in the cockpit were apparently killed 
immediately, OR the radio gear was rendered useless all at once. The problem with the 
missile theory is that these weapons usually seek the source of heat, in other words 
the jet engines, not the pilots' area. If a single missile hit an engine it would do 
heavy damaage to the aircraft, probably make it unflyable, but it would not knock out 
the radio equipment. There would have been time to send out a Mayday call.

An interesting fact came out on "Nightline" last night (Friday). The flight was 
designated "Flight 800 Heavy Lifeguard." The word "heavy" designated that it was a 
jumbo jet, and the words "life guard" signify that it was carrying a human organ for 
transplant and should be given priority for taxiing and takeoff to expedite the trip. 

Apparently, such containers with human parts are routinely placed in the pilots 
compartment and are not subject to normal security checks. If such a container had in 
it a powerful bomb, then the circumstances of the mid-air explosion without Mayday 
call would be explained. At present this seems to be the only theory that fits the 
circumstances without a serious flaw.  H. Ayre.


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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: ********!!!!!! TWA 747 Crashes Off Long Island NY 217 Dead !!!!!!********
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>  Why, at this point in time, after numerous and uncountable lies, OKC, Ruby Ridge, 
>  & Waco, should I NOT suspect Clinton?

I heard that there were some sort of military maneuvers going on when Flight 800 
went down. It occurred to me when I heard this that the 747 could have gone down 
under "friendly fire." But the operation of a missile would result in an engine 
being hit, not the pilots' compartment. See my other post on the subject. H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Sun Jul 21 13:56:18 PDT 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: Martial Law in California???
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> Actually, it's not martial law.  Mr. Feustel mis-typed. It's matital > 
> law. And we've been under it for eons and eons and eons.

"Matital law?" What in heaven's name is "matital law?" I think what was 
meant was "marital law," in other words conjugal law, domination by the 
old bat so to speak. Be careful when complaining about the spelling of 
another that your own is not faulty as well.  H. Ayre.


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> Actually, it's not martial law.  Mr. Feustel mis-typed. It's matital > 
> law. And we've been under it for eons and eons and eons.

"Matital law?" What in heaven's name is "matital law?" I think what was 
meant was "marital law," in other words conjugal law, domination by the 
old bat so to speak. Be careful when complaining about the spelling of 
another that your own is not faulty as well.  H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Mon Jul 22 09:27:21 PDT 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: 747 Explosion: Bomb or Missile?
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Dave Feustel wrote:
> 
> What is the chance that the 747 was shot down with a ground to air
> missile?
> --
> Dave Feustel            http://www.mixi.net/~feustel/

In fact, the Internet talk now seems to be turning toward a missile 
strike, even the possibility of "friendly fire" from naval units. It is 
evident that the government wants to blame it on a bomb since that 
scenario will evoke maximum Old Testament rage and "eye for an eye" 
retaliation against the putative terrorists. Also, the government 
doubtless feels that a bomb will be seen by the public as a threat that 
can be dealt with by further airport security measures.

On the other hand, the thought that the explosion and crash could have 
been caused by a stinger missile is much more harrowing since such a 
missile could be fired from the ground anywhere miles around an airport.

And the thought that TWA Flight 800 could have been brought down by our 
own gallant lads is something that probably would cost Clinton the 
election, so it won't be voiced. If the physical evidence were to point 
in this direction it certainly will be hushed up.  H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Mon Jul 22 09:27:21 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: 747 Explosion: Bomb or Missile?
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is good to 20,00 feet as I recall- I could be wrong-
> 
>   You are. The data sheet put out by Raytheon/General Dynamics lists a max altitude of 10,000 feet.

Another post to the Flight-800 list gives the maximum range as 4 
kilometres which is 2 1/2 miles or 13,200 feet. However, stingers are now 
being made by the Chinese which undoubtedly have an impproved range. By 
firing vertically with a forward leading it was described in a post that 
the shot would be possible. The government doesn't care for this scenario 
and it is unlikely that it will become the official "line." H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Tue Jul 23 08:31:13 PDT 1996
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>         I can't wait for the whining that will erupt when Rush appears
> on national TV each evening delivering the real news, and stomps
> the "mainstream" media.  Brett
> _____________________________________________________________________

Wow! Now that really IS world class gullibility! Rush Limbaugh TELL THE TRUTH!!! No, 
of course not, nobody, but NOBODY, is allowed to do that on a national hookup, you 
should know that. Rush will tell his own particular version of the truth, leaving out, 
of course, such juicy morsels as Mena, Vince Foster, Bushes invasion into Pananma to 
wipe out traces of government drug running, and so on ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

And of course Rush will toe the line on the official version of what brought down TWA 
Flight 800. So don't look for anything different from Rush on the news as opposed to 
Rush on his own program. Rush is cast in stone, unchangeable.  H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Tue Jul 23 08:31:14 PDT 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: DAHARAN BOMBING & TWA CRASH:  SADDAM'S REVENGE?
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This long, well-prepared article on the subject of terrorism and Saddam 
Hussein is obviously the work of "our best ally" in the Middle East, 
which best ally wants to stir up the American people once more to do more 
killing of Israel's enemies. Unfortunately, a good percentage of the 
Desert Storm troops are not able to fight, they are sick (but not the 
French troops which participated in Desert Storm) and dying.

Rather than to perpetuate these endless rounds of violence and killing at 
the great expense of the American public, I suggest we as a nation adopt 
a perfectly neutral and hands-off attitude when it comes to these 
fratricidal feuds in the Middle East and elsewhere. Let's let Israel 
handle its own wars. It seems always to have all the answers to other 
people's problems... now let's let it find and implement its 
own solutions to its own problems. We here in the U.S. will watch the 
whole thing on TV and cheer for whatever side we choose. H. Ayre.


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This long, well-prepared article on the subject of terrorism and Saddam 
Hussein is obviously the work of "our best ally" in the Middle East, 
which best ally wants to stir up the American people once more to do more 
killing of Israel's enemies. Unfortunately, a good percentage of the 
Desert Storm troops are not able to fight, they are sick (but not the 
French troops which participated in Desert Storm) and dying.

Rather than to perpetuate these endless rounds of violence and killing at 
the great expense of the American public, I suggest we as a nation adopt 
a perfectly neutral and hands-off attitude when it comes to these 
fratricidal feuds in the Middle East and elsewhere. Let's let Israel 
handle its own wars. It seems always to have all the answers to other 
people's problems... now let's let it find and implement its 
own solutions to its own problems. We here in the U.S. will watch the 
whole thing on TV and cheer for whatever side we choose. H. Ayre.


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Subject: Re: Mandatory Voting... a damned good idea!
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> Any candidate who got more No than Yes votes would be disqualified; and
> whoever got the most Yes votes (after subtracting his/her No's) wins. L. Purple (lpurple@netcom.com)

This is a great idea! This would test both the positive and negative 
reactions of the voters to each candidate. Obviously, a candidate must 
get more positive than negative even to be considered, and more 
percentage positive than negative to win. This would be a REAL election, 
not a sterile exercise to put the stamp of legitimacy on some crook who 
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> > Their are 46million adult smokers in thios country, of which I am
> > proud to belong. Only 4 hundred thousand of us will die each year 
> > from this pleasurable pasttime. This computes to .08% of us.

No! Your arithmetic is as faulty as your spelling. 400,000 is ten times 
greater than you state, namely .86956% or .87% rounded off. This is the 
principal part of 1%. Thus one in 100 smokers will probably die EACH 
year. Sort of a Russian roulette pasttime in my opinion.  H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Wed Jul 24 09:31:38 PDT 1996
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> > Their are 46million adult smokers in thios country, of which I am
> > proud to belong. Only 4 hundred thousand of us will die each year 
> > from this pleasurable pasttime. This computes to .08% of us.

No! Your arithmetic is as faulty as your spelling. 400,000 is ten times 
greater than you state, namely .86956% or .87% rounded off. This is the 
principal part of 1%. Thus one in 100 smokers will probably die EACH 
year. Sort of a Russian roulette pasttime in my opinion.  H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Wed Jul 24 09:56:58 PDT 1996
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> > Their are 46million adult smokers in thios country, of which I am
> > proud to belong. Only 4 hundred thousand of us will die each year 
> > from this pleasurable pasttime. This computes to .08% of us.

No! Your arithmetic is as faulty as your spelling. 400,000 is ten times 
greater than you state, namely .86956% or .87% rounded off. This is the 
principal part of 1%. Thus one in 100 smokers will probably die EACH 
year. Sort of a Russian roulette pasttime in my opinion.  H. Ayre.


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> > Their are 46million adult smokers in thios country, of which I am
> > proud to belong. Only 4 hundred thousand of us will die each year 
> > from this pleasurable pasttime. This computes to .08% of us.

No! Your arithmetic is as faulty as your spelling. 400,000 is ten times 
greater than you state, namely .86956% or .87% rounded off. This is the 
principal part of 1%. Thus one in 100 smokers will probably die EACH 
year. Sort of a Russian roulette pasttime in my opinion.  H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Sat Jul 27 12:43:16 PDT 1996
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Well, exactly what a number of "conspiracy nuts" have predicted has now happened. 
Several hours ago a fairly powerful explosion occurred in the main park, one confirmed 
dead and as many as 150 injured. The FBI has just published a report that an 
"explosive device" was responsible for the blast. It was first thought that it could 
have been an overloaded transformer exploding. 

With security at the Olympics at such a high level already, this event seems to 
confirm the public's suspicion that it really is impossible to prevent a determined 
bomber. But, cyberpeople, brace yourselves for further inroads on basic human 
liberties and rights at the hands of the present administration, all ostensibly in 
reaction to the bombing of the Olympics. (In fact, the move toward a Big 
Brother Bill dictatorship has been in the works for a decade or more.) 

What is the worst case scenario that can happen? Probably martial law leading to a 
cancellation of the November elections. People who complain that Dole does not seem to 
be conducting a very energetic campaign may try on the theory that Dole already knows 
there will be no election... so why try?

Naturally, this explosive event will be blamed on the Arabs and muslim fanatics. It 
could just as well be the work of the BATF which has a presence at the Olympic 
Village, of one of the Central American drug cartels, of the Israeli secret service 
(the Mossad), of the Serbs in whose affairs we are meddling, etc., etc. 

More security is not the answer. A strict neutrality on the part of the U. S. 
government vis-a-vis other nations IS the answer. Stop ALL foreign aid. And we simply 
must stop killing thousands and hundreds of thousands and, yes, millions of citizens 
of other regions and nations thinking that such behaviour is somehow "all right" 
because we are a "moral nation" and, in any case, a superpower.

H. Ayre.


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>you're sick. first, the plane was at between 8 an 13 k. no one has said
> anything about a mid air. there may have been a missle from some group
> that got them from the reagan or bush administrations. i don't think
> the demo's would coverup something like that, do you? sincerley, 
> george delacruz

Yes, of course the demo's would coverup something like that if they 
could. The public is unable to remember very far back and they will blame 
the incumbent president for whatever happens on his watch. Period. As far 
as we know at the moment it is not known if Flight 800 went down due to a 
bomb or a missile. Strangely enough, a bomb now seems almost benign. H. 
Ayre.


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Chris Borg wrote:
> 
> Sorry but Harry Browne has no Chance in HE Double L of winning so there 
> is no need for him to waste time and space in a debate. CLINTON/GORE 96
> ps Harry is NUTS


Possibly you are right. (Making it possible you are wrong.) It is 
possible that this year's election (if it is held, that is) will prove to 
be matter of very late mind-changing. The enormous amount of evidence 
against Bill concerning all sorts of criminal acts doesn't seem to stick 
right now, but I suspect that late in the day, say mid-October, it will 
suddenly bury him in the public mind. What I find fascinating is his 
brother's remark that "Bill has a nose like a vacuum cleaner" when it 
comes to snorting lines of cocaine.

Have a good day.  H. Ayre.


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> Nuke them before they nuke you!

Obviously, with a nut case like the above at the keyboard of a computer, 
it is urgent that every third class nation on the planet have at least a 
half dozen nuclear weapons ready to use. As the saying goes, "an armed 
society is a polite society." I would much prefer such enforced 
politeness to unchaining a mad dog superpower such as the CIA and U.S. 
military.  H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Sun Jul 28 16:55:01 PDT 1996
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Geoffrey E Brewster wrote:
I don't mind being called a "do-gooder" and a liberal, even though
> I am not a libberal.


You are a person whose emotional desire for a politically and socially ecumenical 
planet outweighs your ability to observe what is now and the processes of how it 
became to be thus now, as well as what was in the past and how it must have become 
thus in the past. 

Nigeria is a perfect example of what Harry speaks of. Nigeria has oil wealth. It is 
a black nation. Thus it has enough money to be whatever type of country it wishes to 
be. It could have a stable progressive political system, paved streets, medical 
clinics, etc. In truth it is an oppressive military dictatorship with potholes in 
the streets. The people of Nigeria could have an educational system second to none 
if they so chose. They don't.

Saudi Arabia is another country with oil wealth. It is a repressive monarchy. But it 
does have universities where learning is valued, it does have modern medical 
clinics, etc.

Japan, on the other hand, has virtually no necessary raw materials. It must import 
nearly all of what is needed. But the Japanese people have a very strong sense of 
self-identification and mutual support, and an *exceptionally* strong desire to 
become not just well-educated, but educated up to and even beyond the cutting edge 
of knowledge. 

What I have noted is that it seems as if blacks often don't like and respect and 
trust other blacks, whereas this is much less true in other races. Without some 
measure of racial and cultural cohesion individuals become merely fodder for the 
greed of politicians and large corporations, and for the moral decay of those groups 
involved in the drug and pornography "industries."  H. Ayre.


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Geoffrey E Brewster wrote:
I don't mind being called a "do-gooder" and a liberal, even though
> I am not a libberal.


You are a person whose emotional desire for a politically and socially ecumenical 
planet outweighs your ability to observe what is now and the processes of how it 
became to be thus now, as well as what was in the past and how it must have become 
thus in the past. 

Nigeria is a perfect example of what Harry speaks of. Nigeria has oil wealth. It is 
a black nation. Thus it has enough money to be whatever type of country it wishes to 
be. It could have a stable progressive political system, paved streets, medical 
clinics, etc. In truth it is an oppressive military dictatorship with potholes in 
the streets. The people of Nigeria could have an educational system second to none 
if they so chose. They don't.

Saudi Arabia is another country with oil wealth. It is a repressive monarchy. But it 
does have universities where learning is valued, it does have modern medical 
clinics, etc.

Japan, on the other hand, has virtually no necessary raw materials. It must import 
nearly all of what is needed. But the Japanese people have a very strong sense of 
self-identification and mutual support, and an *exceptionally* strong desire to 
become not just well-educated, but educated up to and even beyond the cutting edge 
of knowledge. 

What I have noted is that it seems as if blacks often don't like and respect and 
trust other blacks, whereas this is much less true in other races. Without some 
measure of racial and cultural cohesion individuals become merely fodder for the 
greed of politicians and large corporations, and for the moral decay of those groups 
involved in the drug and pornography "industries."  H. Ayre.


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> What truths are that.  The ones where you shove babies into ovens
> because of their religion?

My heavens! Did Harry Peterson really do that? Did he really shove babies into ovens 
because of their religion? Were they his own babies? How many babies did he shove 
into ovens (assuming for the moment that he shoved one or more babies into ovens)? 
What kind of oven did Harry shove these babies into? What was the setting of the 
thermostat of the oven when Harry shoved the babies into the oven? What was the 
religion of these babies at the time they were shoved into the oven (or ovens?) by 
Harry? Were they all of the same religion or was there a diversity of religions 
represented? Had the babies professed their religion spontaneously and 
independently, or was it merely assumed that they were of a certain religion because 
their parents were of that religion. Were the babies given a free choice of religion 
or were they thus forced to belong to a certain religion prior to being shoved into 
the oven by Harry? The questions continue in my mind about this dastardly act of 
Harry Peterson shoving babies into oven(s)... unless it is untrue. Then the 
questions must begin concerning the person who CLAIMED that Harry Peterson shoved 
babies into oven(s).  H. Ayre.


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> >: required to take random drug tests. And the fact remains that no WH staffer
> >: hired by the current adminitration that has had to take drug tests have
> >: failed any.
> 
> >When you limit who takes the test, it's easy to get the desired
> >results.
> 
> Even when you limit it to those most likely to fail the test?  Sheesh!  'king Ross

********************

Really, who knows *who* is giving the drug tests, if they are being administered 
correctly, if the results of those test--if administered fairly--have been honestly 
reported, and etc? The entire chain of events in "testing the Whitehouse for drugs" 
is so open to manipulation and fraud that it's a wonder to me that these "tests" and 
their "results" can be talked about seriously.

Clinton has lived his life--and lives his life now--amongst a drug-using cadre of 
people. Read, for instance, COMPROMISED: by Terry Reed and John Cummins. Search the 
net. The stories and documentation is everywhere. Even Bill's own brother, Roger, 
has said that Bill "has a nose like a vacuum cleaner" when it somes to inhaling a 
line of cocaine. Talk of drug testing the Whitehouse staff is simply nonsense. H. 
Ayre.


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Geoffrey E Brewster wrote:
I don't mind being called a "do-gooder" and a liberal, even though
> I am not a libberal.


You are a person whose emotional desire for a politically and socially ecumenical 
planet outweighs your ability to observe what is now and the processes of how it 
became to be thus now, as well as what was in the past and how it must have become 
thus in the past. 

Nigeria is a perfect example of what Harry speaks of. Nigeria has oil wealth. It is 
a black nation. Thus it has enough money to be whatever type of country it wishes to 
be. It could have a stable progressive political system, paved streets, medical 
clinics, etc. In truth it is an oppressive military dictatorship with potholes in 
the streets. The people of Nigeria could have an educational system second to none 
if they so chose. They don't.

Saudi Arabia is another country with oil wealth. It is a repressive monarchy. But it 
does have universities where learning is valued, it does have modern medical 
clinics, etc.

Japan, on the other hand, has virtually no necessary raw materials. It must import 
nearly all of what is needed. But the Japanese people have a very strong sense of 
self-identification and mutual support, and an *exceptionally* strong desire to 
become not just well-educated, but educated up to and even beyond the cutting edge 
of knowledge. 

What I have noted is that it seems as if blacks often don't like and respect and 
trust other blacks, whereas this is much less true in other races. Without some 
measure of racial and cultural cohesion individuals become merely fodder for the 
greed of politicians and large corporations, and for the moral decay of those groups 
involved in the drug and pornography "industries."  H. Ayre.


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Geoffrey E Brewster wrote:
I don't mind being called a "do-gooder" and a liberal, even though
> I am not a libberal.


You are a person whose emotional desire for a politically and socially ecumenical 
planet outweighs your ability to observe what is now and the processes of how it 
became to be thus now, as well as what was in the past and how it must have become 
thus in the past. 

Nigeria is a perfect example of what Harry speaks of. Nigeria has oil wealth. It is 
a black nation. Thus it has enough money to be whatever type of country it wishes to 
be. It could have a stable progressive political system, paved streets, medical 
clinics, etc. In truth it is an oppressive military dictatorship with potholes in 
the streets. The people of Nigeria could have an educational system second to none 
if they so chose. They don't.

Saudi Arabia is another country with oil wealth. It is a repressive monarchy. But it 
does have universities where learning is valued, it does have modern medical 
clinics, etc.

Japan, on the other hand, has virtually no necessary raw materials. It must import 
nearly all of what is needed. But the Japanese people have a very strong sense of 
self-identification and mutual support, and an *exceptionally* strong desire to 
become not just well-educated, but educated up to and even beyond the cutting edge 
of knowledge. 

What I have noted is that it seems as if blacks often don't like and respect and 
trust other blacks, whereas this is much less true in other races. Without some 
measure of racial and cultural cohesion individuals become merely fodder for the 
greed of politicians and large corporations, and for the moral decay of those groups 
involved in the drug and pornography "industries."  H. Ayre.


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> What truths are that.  The ones where you shove babies into ovens
> because of their religion?

My heavens! Did Harry Peterson really do that? Did he really shove babies into ovens 
because of their religion? Were they his own babies? How many babies did he shove 
into ovens (assuming for the moment that he shoved one or more babies into ovens)? 
What kind of oven did Harry shove these babies into? What was the setting of the 
thermostat of the oven when Harry shoved the babies into the oven? What was the 
religion of these babies at the time they were shoved into the oven (or ovens?) by 
Harry? Were they all of the same religion or was there a diversity of religions 
represented? Had the babies professed their religion spontaneously and 
independently, or was it merely assumed that they were of a certain religion because 
their parents were of that religion. Were the babies given a free choice of religion 
or were they thus forced to belong to a certain religion prior to being shoved into 
the oven by Harry? The questions continue in my mind about this dastardly act of 
Harry Peterson shoving babies into oven(s)... unless it is untrue. Then the 
questions must begin concerning the person who CLAIMED that Harry Peterson shoved 
babies into oven(s).  H. Ayre.


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> >: required to take random drug tests. And the fact remains that no WH staffer
> >: hired by the current adminitration that has had to take drug tests have
> >: failed any.
> 
> >When you limit who takes the test, it's easy to get the desired
> >results.
> 
> Even when you limit it to those most likely to fail the test?  Sheesh!  'king Ross

********************

Really, who knows *who* is giving the drug tests, if they are being administered 
correctly, if the results of those test--if administered fairly--have been honestly 
reported, and etc? The entire chain of events in "testing the Whitehouse for drugs" 
is so open to manipulation and fraud that it's a wonder to me that these "tests" and 
their "results" can be talked about seriously.

Clinton has lived his life--and lives his life now--amongst a drug-using cadre of 
people. Read, for instance, COMPROMISED: by Terry Reed and John Cummins. Search the 
net. The stories and documentation is everywhere. Even Bill's own brother, Roger, 
has said that Bill "has a nose like a vacuum cleaner" when it somes to inhaling a 
line of cocaine. Talk of drug testing the Whitehouse staff is simply nonsense. H. 
Ayre.


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Geoffrey E Brewster wrote:
I don't mind being called a "do-gooder" and a liberal, even though
> I am not a libberal.


You are a person whose emotional desire for a politically and socially ecumenical 
planet outweighs your ability to observe what is now and the processes of how it 
became to be thus now, as well as what was in the past and how it must have become 
thus in the past. 

Nigeria is a perfect example of what Harry speaks of. Nigeria has oil wealth. It is 
a black nation. Thus it has enough money to be whatever type of country it wishes to 
be. It could have a stable progressive political system, paved streets, medical 
clinics, etc. In truth it is an oppressive military dictatorship with potholes in 
the streets. The people of Nigeria could have an educational system second to none 
if they so chose. They don't.

Saudi Arabia is another country with oil wealth. It is a repressive monarchy. But it 
does have universities where learning is valued, it does have modern medical 
clinics, etc.

Japan, on the other hand, has virtually no necessary raw materials. It must import 
nearly all of what is needed. But the Japanese people have a very strong sense of 
self-identification and mutual support, and an *exceptionally* strong desire to 
become not just well-educated, but educated up to and even beyond the cutting edge 
of knowledge. 

What I have noted is that it seems as if blacks often don't like and respect and 
trust other blacks, whereas this is much less true in other races. Without some 
measure of racial and cultural cohesion individuals become merely fodder for the 
greed of politicians and large corporations, and for the moral decay of those groups 
involved in the drug and pornography "industries."  H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Wed Jul 31 14:31:51 PDT 1996
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Marcus Goldman wrote:
> 
> I haven't heard much in the way that ,if it was a SAM, it was
> after the EL AL plane that took off right after the ill-fated TWA
> plane.  Downing a flight to Isreal seems to make more sense
> then downing a flight to France.   Wasn't flight 800  almost an hour
> late in take off?  And a El Al flight took off five minutes after the
> TWA flight.  I have heard reports that the ElAl flight flew basically
> right over the crash site.  If the terrorists had someone on the
> ground in JFK watching the EL AL plane take off, then radio out to the
> boat that it's left, then the individuals in the boat see the plane,
> they shoot it down.........only it wasn't EL Al,   it was Flight 800!

********************

********************

I find this is very interesting post that should open up the 
investigation to new possibilities. If Fight 800 was shot down by a 
missile, and if the terrorists shot down the wrong plane, then that would 
explain why no one had "taken credit" for the act.  H. Ayre.

***************


From henri@alaska.net Wed Jul 31 14:31:55 PDT 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: Conspiracy of Conspiracies
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root wrote:
> 
> What does the group regard as the conspiracy of all conspiracies?
> 
> Seriously...
> 
> Steve Hill

My candidate for that position is the international monetary system (and 
the entwined monetary system of each country) since the whole thing is a 
planet-wide Ponzi scheme that expands exponentially and is getting very 
shaky. H. Ayre.


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root wrote:
> 
> What does the group regard as the conspiracy of all conspiracies?
> 
> Seriously...
> 
> Steve Hill

My candidate for that position is the international monetary system (and 
the entwined monetary system of each country) since the whole thing is a 
planet-wide Ponzi scheme that expands exponentially and is getting very 
shaky. H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Wed Jul 31 14:31:58 PDT 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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James Daugherty wrote:
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 21:31:05 -0700
> From: Alex Constantine 
> To: jdaugh@a-albionic.com
> Subject: Veterans Say GWS Probe Tainted, Conflicts of Interest
> 
> >---------------------------------------------------------------
> >August 29, 1995
> >Detroit News
> >---------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Veterans say probe of Gulf War illness is tainted
> >
> >By John Hanchette Gannett News Service
> >
> >WASHINGTON - Angry veterans and Pentagon critics are complaining the effort
> >to find out what's ailing thousands of those who fought in the Persian Gulf
> >War is tainted by glaring conflicts of interest.

The Pentagon will do everything in its power to prevent the Gulf War 
veterans from learning that they are sick due to the forced dosage of 
experimental drugs they were given. Read the report enclosed for 
clarification. Why do the French troops NOT have Gulf War Syndrome? Easy! 
They refused to take the untested drug cocktail foisted on the British 
and American troops.  H.Ayre.

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From: rich@pencil.math.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel)
Subject: Do French vets have Gulf War Syndrome?
Date: 7 Feb 1996 23:44:35 GMT

/** mideast.gulf: 92.0 **/
** Topic: Do French vets have Gulf War Syndrom **
** Written 10:05 PM  Feb  3, 1996 by cgilbert in cdp:mideast.gulf **
             Do French vets have Gulf War Syndome?*

   BLAZING TATTLES exclusive:  1995 -- Oh what a year it was!
                      THE GULF WAR SYNDROME
                          By Joe Vialls

     Carine, Australia (January 6, 1996).  During late 1995,
devastating new evidence on Gulf War Syndrome was released,
providing strong scientific support for those who have long
suspected the Gulf veterans are suffering short and long term
effects of unproven anti-bacteriological warfare inoculations and
anti-nerve gas tablets, forcibly administered by U.S. Army doctors
in Saudi Arabia.
     With thousands of U.S. veterans suffering from Gulf War
Syndrome, it came as no surprise to learn in October that several
hundred British veterans were suffering in the same way, with three
to five new cases being reported every week.  Like their U.S.
counterparts, most were puzzled by the origins of the disease,
which they initially attributed to exposure to oil-laden smoke in
Kuwait, toxic dust from depleted uranium rounds fired by U.S.
weapons, and possible contamination from expended Iraqi chemical
shells in the area, fired before the Gulf War commenced.
     In a startling break with tradition, on British military
doctor stated that in her view, 99% of the problems could be
sourced back to the anti-bacteriological warfare "cocktail"
inoculations, and anti-nerve gas tablets forcibly administered to
military personnel in the Gulf region at that time.  In an October
1995 broadcast of the ITN TV World News from London, she further
explained that all British military personnel had been provided
with the same un-trialled and unproven drugs as the Americans, from
the U.S. medical sources.  To reinforce the point she was making,
the doctor explained that the number of British personnel suffering
symptoms correlated exactly on a per capita basis with the
Americans.  It was a controversial claim, but apparently lacking in
substance.
     Shattering confirmation of her claim came eleven hours later
when Australian Channel 10 television carried exactly the same
story at 5 p.m., but with an extra piece tagged onto the end.  The
extra piece claimed that French military personnel in the Gulf
region, numbering about the same as the British contingent, had
been prevented from taking the "cocktails" and tablets on the
direct order of the French Commander-in-Chief.  The story continued
that since the end of the Gulf War, not a single member of the
French military has suffered from Gulf War Syndrome or reported any
of its known symptoms.  By 6 p.m. the same night, when the other
Australian television networks ran their news broadcasts, the awe-
some story with its stunning implications had vanished from sight
and was not run by any other Australian TV network.  Nor was it
reported in the Australian newspapers.
     For any scientist or veteran, the fact that the French should
be completely clear of Gulf War Syndrome while the Americans and
British during 1991, has huge and potentially horrifying
implications.  After all, the French at the same food, drank the
same water, breathed the same air and trudged through hundreds of
miles of the same desert.  They also fired much the same weapons at
much the same targets.  So what were the additional environmental
variables which made the French unique in their ability to
completely withstand the deadly Gulf War Syndrome?  The truth is
there were none at all, save for the experimental American
"cocktail" inoculations and tablets.
     To attempt to confirm this very short-lived story, the author
contacted the French Military Attache in Australia and inquired if
it was correct that the French Commander-in-Chief forbade his own
personnel the untested substances.  The Military Attache was happy
to confirm this, and further confirmed that not one French soldier
or airman has suffered since the end of the Gulf War.  It seemed to
be a subject of which he was very proud, and rightly so.  Perhaps
it is time for U.S. and British veterans to confirm the same points
with their local French consulates, before taking a very hefty
legal swing at their own governments.
  ================================================================
     * All copyright laws apply.  From 1/96 Gulf War Issue of
BLAZING TATTLES.  Other articles in issue:  Exclusive on Gulf War
Illness (GWI); Analysis of recent GWI reports; What happened to
Kuwait's oil lakes?; Kuwait silent on post-war illnesses; Gulf
fires created chemical weapons; DU: Dead children, sick soldiers;
"Father of Environmental Illness" dies; Is the globe heating up?;
Award winning biological food program; Workshop on nitrogen and
ecosystems; Thank you Dupont, Mellon, & Hearst; Conference on
biological carbon sinks; Symposium on heart, nerves & environment;
A conservative speaks on sustainability; Bioregionalism; Conference
on international env. law; Sleeping in petroleum wastes?; A book
for just about everyone; Pesticides and culinary insects.
     Claire W. Gilbert, Ph.D., Publisher, BLAZING TATTLES, P.O. Box
1073, Half Moon Bay, CA 94019, USA, Email: .  For
complimentary copy of February issue ONLY (Valentine & Sex), send
stamped, self-addressed envelope to above address.  Outside U.S.,
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