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From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 08:21:13 PST 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 21:59:09 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 08:21:14 PST 1996
Article: 99138 of alt.2600
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 21:59:24 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 08:21:16 PST 1996
Article: 99145 of alt.2600
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 21:58:34 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 08:21:17 PST 1996
Article: 99146 of alt.2600
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 21:59:42 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 08:21:33 PST 1996
Article: 99244 of alt.2600
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-solar system scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 08:21:34 PST 1996
Article: 99246 of alt.2600
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-solar system scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 08:21:35 PST 1996
Article: 99247 of alt.2600
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 22:01:02 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-solar system scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 09:19:09 PST 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: The Fifty Percent Solution
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quilter@netzone.com (Sharon Bolton) wrote:
>tmethod@gatecom.com (Gary Lloyd) wrote:
>
>>Let's imagine, just for a moment, that a Constitutional Amendment were
>>passed that allowed a vote of 50% of the people to repeal any law at
>>any level of government, with the exception of the Constitution and
>>its Amendments.
>
>(snip)
>>This amendment would ensure that every law is supported by the
>>majority, or it would be repealed.
>
>Just curious.  Why does something become right if 51% of the people
>agree on it.  Why that number?  How about if my family of 5 comes into
>your house with a family of 4 and we all vote to take the money in
>your wallet?  I'll win, of course, because I'll be part of the
>majority -- but will I be right to do so?
>

                 ****************************

Answer: You would be right if that way of acting had been *previously* 
agreed upon... which, of course, it would not have been. So, if you walk 
into someone else's house with this proposal on your lips you could be 
(1) arrested for burgulary or extorsion, (2) shot dead by the household, 
(3) set upon by a guard dog, etc.

You have asked a simple-minded obfuscatory question, typical of someone 
who wants to muddy the water. In any group that recognizes itself as a 
group, such as a tribe, community, or nation, it has become customary 
(and very logical) for the majority to prevail in any decision-making, 
usually after the problem has been discussed in open forum. Do you want 
to remake both logic and human custom extending back for thousands of 
years?  H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 09:19:13 PST 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 21:59:09 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-solar system scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 09:20:05 PST 1996
Article: 75234 of alt.censorship
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-solar system scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 09:20:06 PST 1996
Article: 75235 of alt.censorship
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-solar system scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 09:44:44 PST 1996
Article: 23118 of alt.satanism
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 21:59:09 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 09:44:46 PST 1996
Article: 23120 of alt.satanism
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 21:59:24 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 09:44:49 PST 1996
Article: 23132 of alt.satanism
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 21:58:34 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 09:44:50 PST 1996
Article: 23133 of alt.satanism
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 21:59:42 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 09:45:10 PST 1996
Article: 23235 of alt.satanism
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 22:03:22 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-solar system scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 09:45:11 PST 1996
Article: 23236 of alt.satanism
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-solar system scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 09:45:12 PST 1996
Article: 23237 of alt.satanism
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
> > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
> > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
> > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
> > : his scientific findings.
> > 
> > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
> > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-solar system scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 11:57:10 PST 1996
Article: 38933 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: Misstatement on Waco deaths.
Date: 31 Mar 1996 21:34:38 GMT
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>>> raid.  The government sent in two horse trailers filled with agents
>in
>>> body armor, riot gear and armed with machine guns to check for a
>$200
>>> TAX CODE violation.  The government served this SEARCH (not arrest)
>>> warrant like drunken Rambos in violation of the terms of the
>warrant.

>>>    Pardon me for interjecting here, but this post rates a reply. If
>the proverbial 
>>horse trailer pulled up in front of your house tomorrow and a couple
>dozen heavily 
>>armed men hopped out, what would _you_ do? Get your gun and start
>blazing away, or 
>>surrender peacefully (thereby protecting the lives of your loved ones

          **********************************************

Once the BATF and the FBI got it into their little pointed heads that the 
Davidian Compound was, and naturally should be, the target, then nothing 
else mattered, particularly the law of the land. The horse trailer full 
of armed men SHOULD NOT HAVE COME THERE in the first place. It had no 
business being there. Once it is there the entire situation turns into a 
lottery on how the afflicted person is going to act. Will he surrender 
peacefully to an powerful but illegal force or will he resist it in a 
legal act of self-defense? This lottery should never have taken place in 
the first place and it is clearly the government that is guilty of 
causing this calamitous choice to be forced on that person. H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 11:57:14 PST 1996
Article: 38955 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: Interesting bio of Oliver Stone (nee Silverstein)
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Oliver Stone's (Silverstein's) film was a "limited hang-out" (of the 
truth) to try to divert on-going ad-hoc investigations on the 
assassination of JFK. What was shown and intimated in the film wasn't so 
much wrong as it was incomplete. The question to ask is, What group is SO 
POWERFUL as to be able so blatantly and publicly to accuse and implicate 
(1) the CIA, (2) elements of the U.S. military, and (3) elements of the 
U.S. industrial complex in the assassination of the JFK in order to save 
its own ass?

Try reading FINAL JUDGMENT by Michael Collins Piper, The Wolfe Press, 
Washington, D.C., 1995, for the answer.  H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Mon Apr  1 12:55:24 PST 1996
Article: 37434 of alt.activism
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>>> raid.  The government sent in two horse trailers filled with agents
>in
>>> body armor, riot gear and armed with machine guns to check for a
>$200
>>> TAX CODE violation.  The government served this SEARCH (not arrest)
>>> warrant like drunken Rambos in violation of the terms of the
>warrant.

>>>    Pardon me for interjecting here, but this post rates a reply. If
>the proverbial 
>>horse trailer pulled up in front of your house tomorrow and a couple
>dozen heavily 
>>armed men hopped out, what would _you_ do? Get your gun and start
>blazing away, or 
>>surrender peacefully (thereby protecting the lives of your loved ones

          **********************************************

Once the BATF and the FBI got it into their little pointed heads that the 
Davidian Compound was, and naturally should be, the target, then nothing 
else mattered, particularly the law of the land. The horse trailer full 
of armed men SHOULD NOT HAVE COME THERE in the first place. It had no 
business being there. Once it is there the entire situation turns into a 
lottery on how the afflicted person is going to act. Will he surrender 
peacefully to an powerful but illegal force or will he resist it in a 
legal act of self-defense? This lottery should never have taken place in 
the first place and it is clearly the government that is guilty of 
causing this calamitous choice to be forced on that person. H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Wed Apr  3 09:22:38 PST 1996
Article: 39314 of alt.conspiracy
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Subject: Re: Montana Militia standoff
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>>  Anyone know if this group really exists, or is this another manufactured
>>media event like the "Sons of the Gestapo".
>>
>>  Besides, "criminal activities used to finance weapons stockpiling" is what
>>was going on at Mena, right? :)
>
>The group exists and they really are criminals, too, running a huge system of 
>counterfeit money orders and other schemes, in addition to issuing death 
>threats (and apparently one attempt) to public officials and others who dared 
>to disagree with them.  They also owed hundreds of thousands of dollars of 
>taxes.

             *****************************************

If I read the news correctly on this and other related newsgroups, the 
Montana Freemen seem to qualify as criminals to a considerably lesser 
extent than do many politicians... including Hillary and her man, Bill. 
It seems to me that what the Freemen are doing are highlighting the 
double (or triple or etc.) standard we common folk have been willing to 
countenance with respect to crime, viz., ourselves as "real bad" if we 
run a stop sign and the politicians as "a wink of the eye" if they steal 
millions in taxpayer money. For instance, how do the Montana Freemen 
stack up as criminals in comparison to the CIA which each year has 
smuggled hundreds of tons of cocaine into the USA and continues to do so? 
Or the FBI which has such genius in manufacturing, altering, and ignoring 
evidence whenever it so pleases them? It may turn out that the Montana 
Freemen are doing something very important, namely waking us up a bit 
more. H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Wed Apr  3 09:22:39 PST 1996
Article: 39315 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: ALERT!!!!!! Freemen under attack by feds in Montana
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Richard  wrote:
>
>
> It's interesting to note that the FBI is now using public relations 
>gimicks to justify taking them out. I have also noticed that the Fed are 
>targeting mostly Christian groups.
>

I read widely and note that the FBI is apparently strongly influenced by 
the ADL. Don't hold your breath until the FBI cracks down hard on some of 
the very well-organized "non-Christian" criminal organizations. It will 
be an arctic winter day in hell when that happens. H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Wed Apr  3 09:22:40 PST 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: Interesting bio of Oliver Stone (nee Silverstein)
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joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles) wrote:
>  Has anyone seen the (relatively new) biography of filmmaker Oliver
>Stone? I just browsed through it and came away with a fascinating
>portrait of the man.
>  Oliver Stone's father, Lou Silverstein (who only changed the family
>name to "Stone" late in life) was a wealthy Wall Street businessman.

                  *********************************

This helps to explain the whys and wherefores of Oliver Stone's 
(Silverstein's) film, "JFK." Those who were truly at the center of the 
conspiracy in the assassination of JFK began to worry because the ad hoc 
people's investigation of the crime was relentless and was getting closer 
and closer to the nitty-gritty that HAD TO BE SUPPRESSED. The film JFK, 
produced from L. Fletcher Prouty's book, "JFK: The CIA, Vietnam, and the 
Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy," Birch Lane Press, 1992, is what is 
called a "limited hang-out," where part of the truth is told, hopefully 
to satisfy the public for once and for all, and to prevent any further 
serious investigation into the matter.

Prouty and Stone (Silverstein) did not engage in disinformation so much 
as they engaged in selective information, thus, information that missed 
the most important part of all while telling essentially the truth 
nonetheless. One has to ask, if Prouty/Stone(Silverstein) could honestly 
accuse and implicate in the assassination (1) the CIA, (2) elements of 
the the U.S. military establishment, and (3) elements of the U.S. 
industrial complex, then what organization or entity THAT IS MORE 
POWERFUL THAN THESE could bring off this great and truthful 
"limited hang-out?" 

Read FINAL JUDGMENT by Michael Collins Piper, The Wolfe Press, 1995, to 
find out.  H. Ayre.


From henri@alaska.net Sat Apr 13 10:21:36 PDT 1996
Article: 30801 of alt.revisionism
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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 96 12:55:15 PDT
From: henri@alaska.net (Henry Ayre)
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Subject: Dateline with another "first"...
Last night (April 10th) came out with a blockbuster story: the Oklahoma City 

bombing, according to Stephen Jones, defense attorney for Timothy McVeigh, 

was a conspiracy involving neo-Nazis and Arabs. Never having much solid 

eye contact with the camera, Mr. Jones nevertheless unfolded this story which 

was complete with clips of some the neo-Nazis allegedly involved in the 

crime.

Just how this new spin on the affair went over with middle America is hard to 

say. I suspect that pollsters are feverishly--yet quietly--trying to find out 

just what our thoughts on the matter really are *after* the release of this 

*momentous* development. Personally, I'd bet a small but significant 

percentage of viewers found themselves last night rolling on the floor, 

laughing. Those in another group were holding their heads and groaning, I'm 

sure. Certainly some viewers, tiring of the charade, changed channels for 

something more edifying. In a word, the results of this blockbuster segment 

had to be "mixed." Nothing more. Americans are getting tired of the constant 

lying by the government and the mass media, that's all.

But some things CAN be learned by Dateline's "monster revelation" if you look 

at what went on last night in the right way. First, we have to understand 

that nothing that goes out for national TV distribution, such as Dateline, is 

produced on the whim of a few daring and independent people searching for the 

truth. Rather, any such production is conceived, constructed, and carefully 

checked before release by a number of people who discuss the project with 

a number of other people who confer with yet others, etc. Nothing is 

released, then, that does not represent official thinking on the subject at 

hand, that has not had approval of the eminences grises, the non-elected 

power people, who operate in anonymity and obscurity behind the scenes. These 

people know just how potent a force nationwide TV can be and they certainly 

are NOT going to let anything slip out that they DON'T approve of.

So what the American TV audience saw last night on Dateline was what the 

power structure wanted them to see. Then what about defense attorney Stephen 

Jones? Does he really believe what he said last night? Why was what he said 

last night so different from what he has been saying for months, that when 

Americans learn what he has learned about this case they will never look at 

their government in the same way again? Let us imagine a recent conversation 

between Jones and a member of the Justice Department:

	Justice: So, Mr. Jones, you are going to "tell all" when you defend
	your client, are you?

	Jones: I'm going to defend my client and use the truth to defend him, 
	yessir.

	Justice: Aside from my mentioning that life is a day-to-day affair 

	and that you might die tomorrow in an accident of some sort, might 

	not there exist *several* truths that could be used to defend your 

	client, not just the one you seemed to be hooked on at the moment?

	Jones: (Silent for a moment) Well, successfully defending my client 

	is certainly my MAIN consideration, and if we could agree on a way
	this could be done to *everyone's satisfaction* I would certainly 

	want to know about it...

	Justice: Fine! Now here is what we have in mind...

Thus, Jones, having been threatened with an early funeral if he continues to 

pursue his then-present course of inquiry, agrees to the comic opera scenario 

that was put out by Dateline last night. Perhaps Jones suspected and 

hoped that middle America would be able to read between the lines fairly well 

and know what was going on. One can ask in passing if the official and 

authorized attempt to tie in those shop-worn enemies, the neo-Nazis and 

Arabs, to the OKC bombing could possibly indicate that the EXACT OPPOSITE 

group(s) are those which middle America should have under scrutiny. Was, for 

instance, John Doe #2 a Mossad (Israeli) agent?

The important thing about the Dateline story concerning the Oklahoma City 

bombing is that the original official line (McVeigh and Nichols are the sole 

"terrorists") has become so weak in the face of other better documented 

theories that the OFFICIAL LINE IS CHANGING. Not of course in the direction 

of the truth (THAT direction of thought is utterly unthinkable to the 

"authorities"), but moving, nonetheless.

Use your search engine on "Oklahoma City bombing" and you will find hours of 

fascinating reading. Figure out what happened on your own. Build your own 

case! Your own case cannot help but be far ahead of the nonsense that 

Dateline threw at us last night.   H. Ayre.




From henri@alaska.net Wed Apr 17 15:08:37 PDT 1996
Article: 42422 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: "Hard Copy" with another OKC bomb limited hangout...
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It is increasingly obvious that the government's case, as it was 
originally pushed onto the public, concerning the OKC bombing is so 
moribund and worthless that a new effort of damage control and spin is 
being floated on the government's unofficial handmaiden, the U.S. mass 
media. Limited hangouts of one nature or another are being tried to see 
what the public will "buy" that the government can live with. The TV show 
HARD COPY is only the latest to get into the act with its startling 
revelation (months old to Netizens) that the Federal government knew 
about the bombing before it happened.Curiously, this great revelation is 
then twisted around to finish as "proof" that right wingers, including 
McVeigh, are the guilty parties!

Another program to the rescue, National Public Television's show 
"NOVA," now airing, speaks of a single 4000 lb. bomb destroying the 
Murrah Building. Yet, anyone who can read is already quite well convinced 
at this point that the a single low-pressure bomb, nomatter how large, 
did NOT do all the damage to the Murrah Building that was done. 

As the time for the trials approaches be prepared for a blitz of 
disinformation. What is fascinating is that this disinformation now for 
the first time contains some truthful parts. Officials must worry that 
the truthful parts don't somehow start to coalesce. H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Wed Apr 17 15:08:39 PDT 1996
Article: 42428 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: US Jew openly sides with Israel, against USS Liberty crew
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I think that what Mr. Grynspan has meant to say (but never quite got 
around to it) was that we should all inform ourselves about the U.S.S. 
Liberty incident, not shower each other with all sort of inaccuracies 
about the happening. (The U.S.S. Liberty was fully identified as an 
unarmed U.S. ship in international waters, for instance.) A good book on 
the subject is ASSAULT ON THE LIBERTY by James M. Ennes, Jr. Check it 
out. Better yet, you can see and hear the story from the survivors 
themselves in a videocassette called USS LIBERTY SURVIVORS: OUR STORY. I 
have this video, have viewed it several times, and regard it as giving 
vital and truthful information about the subject.

The video can be obtained from SLIGO PRODUCTIONS, P.O. Box 35433, Los 
Angeles, CA 90035.



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I think that what Mr. Grynspan has meant to say (but never quite got 
around to it) was that we should all inform ourselves about the U.S.S. 
Liberty incident, not shower each other with all sort of inaccuracies 
about the happening. (The U.S.S. Liberty was fully identified as an 
unarmed U.S. ship in international waters, for instance.) A good book on 
the subject is ASSAULT ON THE LIBERTY by James M. Ennes, Jr. Check it 
out. Better yet, you can see and hear the story from the survivors 
themselves in a videocassette called USS LIBERTY SURVIVORS: OUR STORY. I 
have this video, have viewed it several times, and regard it as giving 
vital and truthful information about the subject.

The video can be obtained from SLIGO PRODUCTIONS, P.O. Box 35433, Los 
Angeles, CA 90035.



From henri@alaska.net Wed Apr 17 17:05:16 PDT 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: Interesting bio of Oliver Stone (nee Silverstein)
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I might be mistaken, but I thought I heard my name taken in vain. The 
point I was making about Oliver Stone's (Silverstein's) film JFK is that 
it wound out being a "limited hangout" of the truth, forced by the 
ongoing research of numerous individuals and groups into the 
assassination of John F. Kennedy. A "limited hangout" of the truth 
(basically, a CIA expression) is a public admission by any official group 
of a part of the truth of a past event in the hope that that admission 
will be accepted by the public as the complete truth, thus putting an end 
to any further poking around the subject by the public.

Note that you can easily spot the bad guys in these posts because they 
cannot help themselves, they have to use foul language, inappropriate 
ridicule, etc. because there is no substance to what they are saying 
otherwise. By all means secure and read that book,  FINAL JUDGMENT by 
Michael Collins Piper.  H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Thu Apr 18 00:03:48 PDT 1996
Article: 42496 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: Ron Brown's plane shot down?
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>
>Well Brian, I'm waiting.  Like, tell us about how Brown's
>plane was shot down by a UFO and CIA is covering
>it up.   hehehe  >ciao >Mike
>

There is sufficient about the "crash" of the T43 carrying Ron Brown et 
al in the several recent issues of Conspiracy Nation to satisfy anyone 
that the top U.S. government officials once again have lied to the 
American public. ...To satisfy anyone, that is, except Mike, who seems to 
be an asset of the intelligence community. Issues of Conspiracy Nation 
are archived in several places on Internet. Use you search engines. H. 
Ayre.



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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: MOVE NOW, HURRY!
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fc@fc.com (fc) wrote:
>If you don't like america or it's un , then leave
>go to a country where no UN is involved...
>Hurry, plane tickets get expensive in the summer , so hurry and go now!
>No One Wants Or Needs Your Scum In America!
>GO and don't come back
>Your are Scum-Bags under the Devils' eyes...
>
*****************
This is an interesting point of view. Of course, no one is leaving, but 
those who see some other Americans as "Scum Bags under the Devil's Eyes" 
are noted, and perhaps THEY might like to leave, at least for a vacation. 
This they can do easily since they usually hold two passports. H. Ayre.



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From: Henry Ayre 
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Well, this is an interesting twist, blame the Saudis for a change, they 
haven't been blamed for anything lately. (But by all means, don't blame 
the other guys in the Middle East, they don't EVER do anything wrong.) 
Or, better still, let's not blame ANYONE right now, let's just assemble 
more individual facts about the plane crash itself. It's just possible 
that the facts themselves will tell a true story.  H. Ayre.



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>
>Whuhhhhh?  You have got to be kidding.  Sounds like the Naked Gun movie where there was a plot to assasinate the Queen of England!  Ridiculous.

>Psycho

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What can one say? "Psycho" has spoken, the voice in the barrel, the 
ultimate authority! Apparently, Psycho doesn't read any information on 
Internet, he only gives his opinions. For everyone else, try the recent 
issues of Conspiracy Nation.  H. Ayre.




From henri@alaska.net Sat Apr 20 09:49:55 PDT 1996
Article: 43058 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: Freemen face losing everything
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 Therefore they fall into the class of people that
>Jefferson and co were fighting against, unelected people claiming for 
>themselves positions of authority.

>The longer this nonsense is allowed to continue unchallenged the more
>dangerous a threat to democracy it becomes. 	Phill

********************

This is one point of view, not THE point of view. It must be remembered 
that those Colonists who revolted against British rule in 1775 were 
"unelected people claiming for themselves positions of authority." In 
fact, ANY group of people who rebel against their authorities AND prevail 
in their rebellion THEN become the legitimate group with all its moral 
trappings, thus making the deposed authorities some species of tyrant.

The present authorities are hardly all elected. Most of them are not. 
Some of them act in tyrannical ways, as we all have come to learn... or 
those of us who can read and read widely. The threat to democracy--if 
indeed democracy is what is wanted instead of a republic--seems to come 
more from the centralized government than from a scattering of dissidents 
to that centralized government. In fact, the only way we can tell that we 
still DO have fundamental liberties is for these liberties to be 
exercised, even if such exercise disturbs Phill and his friends. H. Ayre.




From henri@alaska.net Sat Apr 20 10:46:41 PDT 1996
Article: 360501 of talk.politics.misc
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From: Henry Ayre 
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 Therefore they fall into the class of people that
>Jefferson and co were fighting against, unelected people claiming for 
>themselves positions of authority.

>The longer this nonsense is allowed to continue unchallenged the more
>dangerous a threat to democracy it becomes. 	Phill

********************

This is one point of view, not THE point of view. It must be remembered 
that those Colonists who revolted against British rule in 1775 were 
"unelected people claiming for themselves positions of authority." In 
fact, ANY group of people who rebel against their authorities AND prevail 
in their rebellion THEN become the legitimate group with all its moral 
trappings, thus making the deposed authorities some species of tyrant.

The present authorities are hardly all elected. Most of them are not. 
Some of them act in tyrannical ways, as we all have come to learn... or 
those of us who can read and read widely. The threat to democracy--if 
indeed democracy is what is wanted instead of a republic--seems to come 
more from the centralized government than from a scattering of dissidents 
to that centralized government. In fact, the only way we can tell that we 
still DO have fundamental liberties is for these liberties to be 
exercised, even if such exercise disturbs Phill and his friends. H. Ayre.




From henri@alaska.net Sat Apr 20 12:13:36 PDT 1996
Article: 251279 of talk.politics.guns
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From: Henry Ayre 
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>
>Whuhhhhh?  You have got to be kidding.  Sounds like the Naked Gun movie where there was a plot to assasinate the Queen of England!  Ridiculous.

>Psycho

****************

What can one say? "Psycho" has spoken, the voice in the barrel, the 
ultimate authority! Apparently, Psycho doesn't read any information on 
Internet, he only gives his opinions. For everyone else, try the recent 
issues of Conspiracy Nation.  H. Ayre.




From henri@alaska.net Sat Apr 20 12:13:38 PDT 1996
Article: 251335 of talk.politics.guns
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: Freemen face losing everything
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 Therefore they fall into the class of people that
>Jefferson and co were fighting against, unelected people claiming for 
>themselves positions of authority.

>The longer this nonsense is allowed to continue unchallenged the more
>dangerous a threat to democracy it becomes. 	Phill

********************

This is one point of view, not THE point of view. It must be remembered 
that those Colonists who revolted against British rule in 1775 were 
"unelected people claiming for themselves positions of authority." In 
fact, ANY group of people who rebel against their authorities AND prevail 
in their rebellion THEN become the legitimate group with all its moral 
trappings, thus making the deposed authorities some species of tyrant.

The present authorities are hardly all elected. Most of them are not. 
Some of them act in tyrannical ways, as we all have come to learn... or 
those of us who can read and read widely. The threat to democracy--if 
indeed democracy is what is wanted instead of a republic--seems to come 
more from the centralized government than from a scattering of dissidents 
to that centralized government. In fact, the only way we can tell that we 
still DO have fundamental liberties is for these liberties to be 
exercised, even if such exercise disturbs Phill and his friends. H. Ayre.





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