From henri@alaska.net Fri Mar  1 08:30:27 PST 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: CIA Controling Clinton/Elections!?
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>>I think there is good reason to believe Bucannan is doing so well in the
>>primaries because the CIA wants him to run against Clinton.  First, one
>>must accept the propostion that the CIA wants Clinton to be President.  I
>>think his background working for the CIA in college and his allowing the
>>CIA to smuggle drugs through Mena speaks for itself.  The CIA is probably
>>running the country the way Becktel ran it under Reagan -- just not so
>>openly.  Ok, if you buy that, then you 

>The CIA could not hold a candle to a real law enforcement
>agency (like the Keystone Kops). The agency is made up
>of right wing buffoons who have misread every major
>world event for 40 years. They can't even catch their
>own moles. CIA conspiracy. Hahahahahahahahahaah!!!!
>
Dan Thornsberry 

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Okay, we are now offering theories, so I'll offer mine. While it is true 
that the CIA has had some notable failures in projecting what was going 
to happen in situations in which it had little or no control, it has had 
fairly good success in controlling and shaping situations where it 
decided to exert a real effort. Thus, CIA predictive abilities are slight 
but CIA formative abilities are substantial.

We are all aware that the Big Brother mass media of this country frowns 
on the candidacy of Pat Buchanan. The CIA as been cultivating its ties 
with the mass media for decades, and we must assume that the present 
stance of the mass media has, at least, CIA approval and, at most, CIA 
active direction and slush funding. This brings us to the most oddball 
candidate of them all, Steve Forbes. We are told by our friendly mass 
media that Steve is bankrolling his own campaign, thus he can spend as 
much as he wants, no limitations. How very convenient!                   
                                                                         
There is another possibility/probability that is only now being 
discussed. Is Steve really spending his own money on a shot at the 
presidency with nothing more than the "flat tax" as ammunition? Isn't 
he a businessman who presumably knows the value of a dollar and the very 
slim odds he has to become president? Isn't his behaviour a very unlikely 
scenario? What makes Steve so confident as he pours millions of *his* 
dollars into a campaign against the well-seasoned political figures about 
which the public at least has some knowledge? Could it be that Steve is 
NOT spending his own money at all? Could it be that the funding comes 
>from  the huge (billions of dollars) hidden accounts of the CIA, which 
organization has been acting as a shadow government for several decades 
since the assassination of John F. Kennedy? Isn't it likely that the CIA 
wants to **buy** the presidency in the good old American tradition, 
rather than be forced to assassinate another *unsuitable* president? So, 
isn't it likely that Steve Forbes smiles and waves so well because he 
knows he won't be out of pocket a dime when it's all over?

Let's not forget that the Forbes for President thing seemed to leap up 
like a poisonous toadstool just after Steve fired James Norman, his 
Editor-in-Chief, for writing an article (finally published by Media 
Bypass) that uncovered a bucket of worms involving the CIA, GOP big 
names, treason, drug trafficking, etc. Steve as president will certainly 
quietly and carefully put the cover back on that bucket, drop it down a 
deep well, and fill it all in with rocks and gravel. Maybe THAT, and not 
his crusade for a flat tax, is the true reason for his candidacy. H. 
Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Fri Mar  1 08:30:28 PST 1996
Article: 33948 of alt.conspiracy
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David  wrote:
>Fuck you Nazi.
>

How incisive! How definitive! How informative! Let's hear from Goliath 
now. H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Fri Mar  1 08:30:41 PST 1996
Article: 34071 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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>On the topic of Cuba's recent downing of the two small civilian aircraft, the statements 
>Bill Clinton and Madeleine Albright reveal staggering hypocrisy.
>
>
>Doug Bebb  

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I agree. However, the Federal government of the United States has for 
some two centuries felt that it had tremendous prestige and ego to 
maintain, and that, after all, morality was what it said it was (a bit 
like the Queen in Alice in Wonderland), allowing it to do whatever it 
felt like doing and justifying it with whatever crazy-quilt of phrases it 
cared to utter thereafter.  H. Ayre.




From henri@alaska.net Fri Mar  1 08:30:44 PST 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: UN: Buchanan no Hitler
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I most emphatically disagree! Buchanan DOES offer solutions. Some people 
don't like his solutions. That's okay. The candidate that SHOULD come 
under scrutiny is Steve Forbes who offers practically nothing and is 
going to spend his own wad promoting that nothing and with virtually no 
chance to come out on top. Very curious, don't you think? Maybe he really 
ISN'T spending his own money. I'm sure the CIA has billions of dollars in 
secret accounts that they would like to use to buy something for their 
old age... like the U.S. presidency. It would be a cut above 
assassinating a man who is already in the top spot, don't you think?  H. 
Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Mon Mar  4 08:27:52 PST 1996
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Dear Mr. McFee,

     Having learned recently that Mr. McVay's credentials are those of a 
west coast convenience store clerk (who must be suffering a bit from 
unrequited love, so to speak), I am wondering what interesting 
revelations might await us concerning your subject. 







From henri@alaska.net Mon Mar  4 08:27:53 PST 1996
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Dear Mr. McFee,

     Having learned recently that Mr. McVay's credentials are those of a 
west coast convenience store clerk (who must be suffering a bit from 
unrequited love, so to speak), I am wondering what interesting 
revelations might await us concerning your subject. 







From henri@alaska.net Mon Mar  4 08:27:54 PST 1996
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Dear Mr. McFee,

     Having learned recently that Mr. McVay's credentials are those of a 
west coast convenience store clerk (who must be suffering a bit from 
unrequited love, so to speak), I am wondering what interesting 
revelations might await us concerning your subject. 







From henri@alaska.net Mon Mar  4 08:27:55 PST 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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..Or is it not yet time to write that particular line?  H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Wed Mar 27 06:51:33 PST 1996
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 21:59:09 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
>» > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
>» > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
>» > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
>» > : his scientific findings.
>» > 
>» > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
>» > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
>» > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
>» > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
>» > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
>» > : his scientific findings.
>» > 
>» > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
>» > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Wed Mar 27 06:51:38 PST 1996
Article: 16152 of alt.skinheads
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
>» > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
>» > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
>» > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
>» > : his scientific findings.
>» > 
>» > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
>» > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Wed Mar 27 06:51:39 PST 1996
Article: 16153 of alt.skinheads
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
>» > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
>» > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
>» > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
>» > : his scientific findings.
>» > 
>» > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
>» > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 10:29:57 PST 1996
Article: 38038 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: Will we ever know the truth in our lifetime?
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jec1128@aol.com (JEC1128) wrote:
>In article , lpease@netcom.com (Lisa Pease)
>writes:
>
>>Kennedy was not "soft on communism." But nor was he a traditional cold 
>>warrior.
>
>This statement flies in the face of history. During his entire

            *****************************************

For a much more in-depth view of JFK and the events (and organizations) 
that led to his assassination, by all means read FINAL JUDGMENT by 
Michael Collins Piper, The Wolfe Press, Washington, D.C., 1995. Kennedy 
knew that the world had become a very dangerous place for all of 
humankind and he was steering a course to avoids the reefs. All around 
him were groups each intent on increasing its own power and influence at 
the expense of whomever and whatever else. Piper makes it very clear that 
the expertise of the Mossad in all this was not at all lacking. H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 10:29:59 PST 1996
Article: 38042 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: 1995 ADL: `The Militi
Date: 27 Mar 1996 19:53:08 GMT
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Readers will have to ask themselves if this post is (1) a troll to 
draw out those who assume, as I do, that McVeigh is innocent until proven 
guilty, and/or (2) simply blatant propaganda designed to try to fortify 
the government's case on the Oklahoma City bombing, a case which is 
extremely shaky if allowed to go to trial in a normal court with an 
honest judge and reasonable rules of evidence. Lurkers are encouraged to 
use their search engines to find and read the great quantity of material 
developed which indicates that some element of the Federal government, 
itself, is implicated in the commission of the crime. H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 10:30:00 PST 1996
Article: 38045 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: 1995 ADL: 'The Militia Menace Grows'
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Most Zionist, Jewish, and Israeli groups are well-known to each other, 
and, in fact, are interconnected. Before Israel was set up as an 
independent nation (with tentacles into the U.S. Treasury, of course), 
there were secret bands of heavily armed terrorists, the Irgun and Stern 
gangs for instance (and note that the word "gangs" is normally used), 
which committed acts of violence, murder, and terror, not the least of 
which was the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, an act not 
unlike the bombing of the Murrah building in Oklahoma City, USA.

The only reason that the ADL is not *at present* a terrorist organization 
in the commonly accepted definition of the term is that it can get the 
FBI to do its terrorizing for it. The only reason why the militias are 
springing up is because Big Government, guided on many occasions by such 
organizations as the ADL, is actively taking from Americans their rights 
as citizens.  H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 10:30:02 PST 1996
Article: 38064 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: Is Peter Duesberg Another Bob Gallo?
Date: 27 Mar 1996 20:49:59 GMT
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This is a very interesting post which, perhaps, does more to enlighten us 
on the counterpoint of individual human minds with a developing body of 
truth on which they are working than it does to advance the truth itself. 
This same process of misapplied credit goes on again and again, the true 
and original discoverer or inventor rarely getting the benefit of the 
fame and the monetary rewards of his intellectual work. A prime example 
is Immanuel Velikovsky, who made seven predictions of major astrophysical 
conditions soon to be discovered, all seven of them having been 
subsequently uncovered (if one grants that the atmosphere of Venus 
represents the *combustion products* of hydrocarbons), whereas he had 
been branded the charlatan of the century by the establishment science... 
and remains so branded today. His name was never mentioned when 
establishment scientists, like hyenas, discovered all over again what 
Velikovsky had already discovered. H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 11:18:45 PST 1996
Article: 16365 of alt.skinheads
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
>» > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
>» > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
>» > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
>» > : his scientific findings.
>» > 
>» > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
>» > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-solar system scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





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Article: 16368 of alt.skinheads
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From: Henry Ayre 
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
>» > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
>» > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
>» > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
>» > : his scientific findings.
>» > 
>» > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
>» > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-solar system scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 11:18:50 PST 1996
Article: 16369 of alt.skinheads
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 22:01:02 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
>» > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
>» > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
>» > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
>» > : his scientific findings.
>» > 
>» > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
>» > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-solar system scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 12:11:41 PST 1996
Article: 96625 of alt.pagan
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 21:59:09 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
>» > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
>» > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
>» > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
>» > : his scientific findings.
>» > 
>» > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
>» > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 12:11:43 PST 1996
Article: 96628 of alt.pagan
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 21:59:24 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
>» > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
>» > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
>» > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
>» > : his scientific findings.
>» > 
>» > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
>» > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 12:11:47 PST 1996
Article: 96650 of alt.pagan
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 21:58:34 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
>» > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
>» > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
>» > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
>» > : his scientific findings.
>» > 
>» > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
>» > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 12:11:48 PST 1996
Article: 96652 of alt.pagan
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 21:59:42 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
>» > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
>» > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
>» > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
>» > : his scientific findings.
>» > 
>» > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
>» > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-galactic scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 12:12:22 PST 1996
Article: 96842 of alt.pagan
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
>» > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
>» > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
>» > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
>» > : his scientific findings.
>» > 
>» > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
>» > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-solar system scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 12:12:23 PST 1996
Article: 96843 of alt.pagan
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
Date: 25 Mar 1996 22:00:36 GMT
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
>» > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
>» > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
>» > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
>» > : his scientific findings.
>» > 
>» > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
>» > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-solar system scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 12:12:24 PST 1996
Article: 96844 of alt.pagan
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: KILL THE CHRISTIANS AND BURN THEIR BIBLES...
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 And Galileo was *not* killed by
>» > : the Romaa Catholic Church. He was simply forced to recant his statement
>» > : that the earth revolves around the sun, then spent the remainder of his
>» > : days in misery, under house arrest and forbidden by the Church to publish
>» > : his scientific findings.
>» > 
>» > Well now, wasn't that big of them? They didn't kill Galileo for telling
>» > the truth, 

           ********************************************

Let us put this *great discovery* about the earth and the sun into some 
sort of perspective. Before Galileo (and after, as we will see) the 
Pagans, and all of us who came after, believed that it was the sun that 
moved because, visibly, there was no motion of the earth under their (and 
our) feet. One could watch the sun rise in the morning and set in the 
evening, and that was that. 

The great discovery was nothing more than an intellectual (mental) 
shifting of frames of reference from the Pagan earth-centered frame of 
reference to the new intra-solar system scientific frame of reference. In 
other words, if you place your chair out in space between sun and earth, 
and fasten it there by some attachments that have never been devised--and 
never will be--then you would see, that, yes, assuredly the earth does go 
around the sun and that the earth rotates on its axis as well. From this 
very special frame of reference it is clear that the sun doesn't "rise" 
and the sun doesn't "set," that these are only *apparent* motions.

But the next time you listen to the TV or radio weather news, do try to 
listen very carefully at what the announcer says. He or she will say, 
"...and the sun will RISE this morning at whatever AM and will SET at 
whatever PM..." All of which indicates that there is a practical Pagan 
world of daily occurrences, and a myriad of other worlds that have been 
concocted for our amusement and amazement, these latter being useful on 
some occasions but certainly not on others.  H. Ayre.





From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 14:06:25 PST 1996
Article: 39475 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: 1995 ADL: 'The Militia Menace Grows'
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Most Zionist, Jewish, and Israeli groups are well-known to each other, 
and, in fact, are interconnected. Before Israel was set up as an 
independent nation (with tentacles into the U.S. Treasury, of course), 
there were secret bands of heavily armed terrorists, the Irgun and Stern 
gangs for instance (and note that the word "gangs" is normally used), 
which committed acts of violence, murder, and terror, not the least of 
which was the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, an act not 
unlike the bombing of the Murrah building in Oklahoma City, USA.

The only reason that the ADL is not *at present* a terrorist organization 
in the commonly accepted definition of the term is that it can get the 
FBI to do its terrorizing for it. The only reason why the militias are 
springing up is because Big Government, guided on many occasions by such 
organizations as the ADL, is actively taking from Americans their rights 
as citizens.  H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 16:04:15 PST 1996
Article: 350145 of talk.politics.misc
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: 1995 ADL: 'The Militia Menace Grows'
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Most Zionist, Jewish, and Israeli groups are well-known to each other, 
and, in fact, are interconnected. Before Israel was set up as an 
independent nation (with tentacles into the U.S. Treasury, of course), 
there were secret bands of heavily armed terrorists, the Irgun and Stern 
gangs for instance (and note that the word "gangs" is normally used), 
which committed acts of violence, murder, and terror, not the least of 
which was the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, an act not 
unlike the bombing of the Murrah building in Oklahoma City, USA.

The only reason that the ADL is not *at present* a terrorist organization 
in the commonly accepted definition of the term is that it can get the 
FBI to do its terrorizing for it. The only reason why the militias are 
springing up is because Big Government, guided on many occasions by such 
organizations as the ADL, is actively taking from Americans their rights 
as citizens.  H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 17:31:18 PST 1996
Article: 4240 of soc.history
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: The Fifty Percent Solution
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quilter@netzone.com (Sharon Bolton) wrote:
>tmethod@gatecom.com (Gary Lloyd) wrote:
>
>>Let's imagine, just for a moment, that a Constitutional Amendment were
>>passed that allowed a vote of 50% of the people to repeal any law at
>>any level of government, with the exception of the Constitution and
>>its Amendments.
>
>(snip)
>>This amendment would ensure that every law is supported by the
>>majority, or it would be repealed.
>
>Just curious.  Why does something become right if 51% of the people
>agree on it.  Why that number?  How about if my family of 5 comes into
>your house with a family of 4 and we all vote to take the money in
>your wallet?  I'll win, of course, because I'll be part of the
>majority -- but will I be right to do so?
>

                 ****************************

Answer: You would be right if that way of acting had been *previously* 
agreed upon... which, of course, it would not have been. So, if you walk 
into someone else's house with this proposal on your lips you could be 
(1) arrested for burgulary or extorsion, (2) shot dead by the household, 
(3) set upon by a guard dog, etc.

You have asked a simple-minded obfuscatory question, typical of someone 
who wants to muddy the water. In any group that recognizes itself as a 
group, such as a tribe, community, or nation, it has become customary 
(and very logical) for the majority to prevail in any decision-making, 
usually after the problem has been discussed in open forum. Do you want 
to remake both logic and human custom extending back for thousands of 
years?  H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 17:31:29 PST 1996
Article: 4315 of soc.history
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Most Zionist, Jewish, and Israeli groups are well-known to each other, 
and, in fact, are interconnected. Before Israel was set up as an 
independent nation (with tentacles into the U.S. Treasury, of course), 
there were secret bands of heavily armed terrorists, the Irgun and Stern 
gangs for instance (and note that the word "gangs" is normally used), 
which committed acts of violence, murder, and terror, not the least of 
which was the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, an act not 
unlike the bombing of the Murrah building in Oklahoma City, USA.

The only reason that the ADL is not *at present* a terrorist organization 
in the commonly accepted definition of the term is that it can get the 
FBI to do its terrorizing for it. The only reason why the militias are 
springing up is because Big Government, guided on many occasions by such 
organizations as the ADL, is actively taking from Americans their rights 
as citizens.  H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Sun Mar 31 18:03:15 PST 1996
Article: 243968 of talk.politics.guns
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Most Zionist, Jewish, and Israeli groups are well-known to each other, 
and, in fact, are interconnected. Before Israel was set up as an 
independent nation (with tentacles into the U.S. Treasury, of course), 
there were secret bands of heavily armed terrorists, the Irgun and Stern 
gangs for instance (and note that the word "gangs" is normally used), 
which committed acts of violence, murder, and terror, not the least of 
which was the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, an act not 
unlike the bombing of the Murrah building in Oklahoma City, USA.

The only reason that the ADL is not *at present* a terrorist organization 
in the commonly accepted definition of the term is that it can get the 
FBI to do its terrorizing for it. The only reason why the militias are 
springing up is because Big Government, guided on many occasions by such 
organizations as the ADL, is actively taking from Americans their rights 
as citizens.  H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Thu Apr 11 10:59:27 PDT 1996
Article: 7587 of alt.society.sovereign
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From: Henry Ayre 
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quilter@netzone.com (Sharon Bolton) wrote:
>tmethod@gatecom.com (Gary Lloyd) wrote:
>
>>Let's imagine, just for a moment, that a Constitutional Amendment were
>>passed that allowed a vote of 50% of the people to repeal any law at
>>any level of government, with the exception of the Constitution and
>>its Amendments.
>
>(snip)
>>This amendment would ensure that every law is supported by the
>>majority, or it would be repealed.
>
>Just curious.  Why does something become right if 51% of the people
>agree on it.  Why that number?  How about if my family of 5 comes into
>your house with a family of 4 and we all vote to take the money in
>your wallet?  I'll win, of course, because I'll be part of the
>majority -- but will I be right to do so?
>

                 ****************************

Answer: You would be right if that way of acting had been *previously* 
agreed upon... which, of course, it would not have been. So, if you walk 
into someone else's house with this proposal on your lips you could be 
(1) arrested for burgulary or extorsion, (2) shot dead by the household, 
(3) set upon by a guard dog, etc.

You have asked a simple-minded obfuscatory question, typical of someone 
who wants to muddy the water. In any group that recognizes itself as a 
group, such as a tribe, community, or nation, it has become customary 
(and very logical) for the majority to prevail in any decision-making, 
usually after the problem has been discussed in open forum. Do you want 
to remake both logic and human custom extending back for thousands of 
years?  H. Ayre.

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