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From henri@alaska.net Mon Dec  4 07:28:54 PST 1995
Article: 21181 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: New is right! Was Re: Vet on Oath of Enlistment was US troops in UN uniform
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The laws Congress has passed may be declared unconstitutional at any time 
by the Supreme Court, regardless of how long they have been in effect. 
The Supreme Court does not instigate cases, it tries (only certain) cases 
that have followed the appeals process through the lower courts up to the 
Supreme Court. Thus, any law that Congress has passed that does not seem 
to follow the Constitution of the United States may nevertheless be put 
in force and be called "the law," perhaps for decades. If someone finally 
brings a test of that law before the Supreme Court it may develop that 
that law has been illegal lo these many years. Quoting chapter and 
paragraph of these applicable laws, Mr. Van Alstine, does not make 
these laws ultimately legal in this case, it only means they have not yet 
been brought before the Supreme Court to be tested, and thus they are 
still in effect at this time. 

Thus the opinion of those who feel Cpl. New is correct in his stand is 
just as valid as that of those who think he is wrong. We will have to 
wait. It seems highly likely that the Supreme Court will eventually hear 
this case. H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Mon Dec  4 09:24:12 PST 1995
Article: 221355 of talk.politics.guns
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From: Henry Ayre 
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The laws Congress has passed may be declared unconstitutional at any time 
by the Supreme Court, regardless of how long they have been in effect. 
The Supreme Court does not instigate cases, it tries (only certain) cases 
that have followed the appeals process through the lower courts up to the 
Supreme Court. Thus, any law that Congress has passed that does not seem 
to follow the Constitution of the United States may nevertheless be put 
in force and be called "the law," perhaps for decades. If someone finally 
brings a test of that law before the Supreme Court it may develop that 
that law has been illegal lo these many years. Quoting chapter and 
paragraph of these applicable laws, Mr. Van Alstine, does not make 
these laws ultimately legal in this case, it only means they have not yet 
been brought before the Supreme Court to be tested, and thus they are 
still in effect at this time. 

Thus the opinion of those who feel Cpl. New is correct in his stand is 
just as valid as that of those who think he is wrong. We will have to 
wait. It seems highly likely that the Supreme Court will eventually hear 
this case. H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Wed Dec  6 10:44:17 PST 1995
Article: 64081 of alt.politics.correct
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From: Henry Ayre 
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"t.r."  wrote:
>rond@on-ramp.ior.com (Ronald J. Davenport) wrote:
>
>>You have put into words my exact feelings about the "Main Stream Media". We 
>>are being led down the path of oblivion by the Socialist Elite who run this 
>>country by controlling the political process, media outlets and the money.
>>I thank you for all of the work you have done in regards to the postings
>>in this group. God Save Our Country!!!
>========
>It's not the "mainstream media" you need to save it from, bub.
>It's not socialists, either.
>It's the party with which you likely identify that's controlling the
>money, the agenda, and seeking to limit our constitutional rights.
>And while so many of you likely good-intentioned folks are sitting
>here obsessing on this Foster/Whitewater business, that very party
>is busy dicing your freedom of speech, freedom of privacy, and
>more into bite-size tidbits ready to be swallowed by their machine.
>It's THEIR masters who are beating down the working people -- the
>big-bucks corporations who bankroll the GOP while laying off 
>tens of thousands of hard-working folks & slashing the wages and
>benefits of those who are "lucky" enough to keep their increasingly
>stressful jobs. If you want to keep your blinders on and obsess on
>matters such as that to which this little chat group is devoted, don't
>say we didn't warn you.
>

Here we go again, political party phobia. Personally, I do not fear, as 
such, the Democratic party, the Republican party, or any other political 
party per se. What I fear is a growing breakdown in the willingness of 
growing numbers of elected officials of ALL parties to believe in and to 
follow the precepts of representative government. In other words, the 
whole thing has become a nest of vipers where clever deals, money 
considerations, intense secrecy, intimidation, violence, and finally 
murder are now the order of the day. Thus, the crooked man does not have 
a political party label pasted on his forehead. As long as we think that 
way they will continue to get away with murder... literally. H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Wed Dec  6 17:56:00 PST 1995
Article: 21505 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: Does Clinton Employ Contract Killers?
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unknown  wrote:
>We KNOW Vincent Foster had 2 NSA binders in his office for which he had 
>neither a security clearance nor a "need to know". We KNOW he'd made 
>numerous trips to Switzerland in recent years. We KNOW he received a 
>wire transfer of almost $300,000 to his wife's account just 4 days 
>before his death. We KNOW he didn't die in Ft. Marcy park. So isn't it 
>possible he was involved in espionage? That he was selling secrets, 
>perhaps to Israel? That US agents were beginning to get suspicious, so 
>Mossad, the Israeli intelligence/strike force, just shot him, so he 
>couldn't talk? That would certainly explain why official Washington is 
>so eager for us to believe that it was just a suicide. If the assassin 
>was a female operative who used her sexuality to catch him off guard, 
>that would also explain the semen in his pants that the FBI report 
>noted! What do you people think? 
>
>

Well, yes, provisionally it certainly all glues together. It sounds more 
reasonable than saying "nice folks don't do things like that." H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Wed Dec 13 03:36:12 PST 1995
Article: 22111 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Is it just my computer, or is everyone experiencing the same thing? I 
mean the virtual disappearance of articles on alt.conspiracy and 
alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater? Are other things going as well? Is 
this the ultimate and instantaneous act of censorship??? H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Mon Dec 18 00:46:30 PST 1995
Article: 223889 of talk.politics.guns
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: The Still Before The Storm
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tpg@metronet.com (Mike McCullough) wrote:
>talk1370@aol.com (Talk1370) wrote:
>
>>  "Black is not Silver...Foster was murdered..."
>
>>  Let's see now...all we have to do to make the conspiracy
>>  buffs happy is assume that Foster somehow let someone
>>  insert a gun in his mouth without a struggle while fully
>>  conscious, and pull the trigger...and oh, yes, he could only
>>  have owned one gun and no other...
>>  Come on, folks, let's get a grip on it, shall we? The
>>  conspiracy/murder theories venture further from fact
>>  with every passing day...
>
>
>No problem with Foster owning more than one gun.  But even if he owned
>a gun store, you still haven't explained why the gun described in the
>official reports is different from the one in the picture.  And even
>if you can explain that, there are still another 100 or so
>inconsistencies to explain.  Believing the official government story
>surrounding Foster's death requires a much greater suspension of
>reality than any theory ever posed in this group.
>
>Mike McCullough
>

I agree with Mr. McCullough entirely. Anyone who has read the posts on 
this newsgroup, and particularly on 
alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater, is fully aware that the 
inconsistencies in the suicide theory are so numerous and unanswerable 
that the probability of Foster's suicide has dropped to less than 5%. 
Some very acute person, I don't remember who at the moment, asked the 
question, "Is Vincent Foster guilty of the murder of Vincent Foster?" 
With the present evidence there is no jury in the country that would 
convict Foster of his own murder. He would be acquitted due to reasonable 
doubt. Which means that IT IS HIGHLY PROBABLE that someone else killed 
him and that a case against that person or persons can be made which 
contains much less reasonable doubt. An act of suicide is a convenient 
catchall category into which to dump potentially troublesome deaths. The 
official acceptance of suicide as the means of death provides a nice, 
neat, but often spurious sort of closure to the event. Every suicide 
should be investigated with no less care, diligence, and intensity than 
is accorded to a death that is obviously by another person's hand.  H. 
Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Mon Dec 18 00:46:31 PST 1995
Article: 223890 of talk.politics.guns
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: The Still Before The Storm
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lyonscc@netcom.com (Christopher Lyons) wrote:
>Lucile V. Wilson (mslu@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: *******************************************************
>: Because those statements that the note was a forgery could very well be
>: and untruth itself.  Believe me if this were true the media would be
>: all over it.
>
>Lucy, must you consistently prove yourself to be a poster-child for "Why 
>the Legal Retirement Age Should be 75"?
>
>The media Watch-dog has been Clinton's lap-dog from day one.  Look at how 
>fast they dropped the Gennifer Flowers story after Clinton's "60-Minutes" 
>interview, that even its producer admits (on tape) to being ficticious.  
>Look at the Newsweek article from 1993 in which they admit that they have 
>been overly nice to Clinton before and after his election.  Look at the 
>$160,000 payment to Mike Wallace and the subsequent fiction he produced 
>on Foster's death.  Look at the number of articles on the usenet (like 
>the Kelley story) that we've known forever that the media is only NOW 
>picking up on.  Look at the green afghan.  Look at the OBVOIUS 
>discrepancies in the FBI reports from the Foster investigation that have 
>been decried by the FBI's interviewee's as being false.  Newt Gingrich 
>has had 750 bogus charges brought against him, and only 1 has enough 
>merit to be investigated (and that one is VERY minor and could result in 
>$1000 in fines - spit in the ocean compared to at LEAST $60 MM (MM is 
>shorthand for million, Lu, since you probably are too old to know that) 
>that Clinton was involved in defrauding the American Public - you and me 
>(well, at least me, since you're probably sucking the government teat)).
>
>The media's bias is obvious, Lu.  If Vince Foster, himself, came back 
>from the grave to testify that his "suicide note" was forged and that 
>Hillary, herself, stabbed him with an ice-pick before having Dee Dee and 
>George dump his body in Fort Marcy park, the press would not bat an eye.
>
>Wake up and smell the coffee, Lucy.  Or, better yet, pour yourself a cup 
>of coffee, pop in a few re-runs of "Murder She Wrote," and pretend your 
>great-grandson never showed you what that computer-thingy was for.
>
>Chris Lyons
>lyonscc@netcom.com

Bravo, Mr. Lyons! The Lady that's known as Lu seems to be innocent of any 
functions of observation, reason, and logic. Perhaps she's a good cook, 
or can otherwise acquit herself roundly. Let's hope so, because her 
performance here on Usenet is something of a farce. H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Mon Dec 18 10:14:51 PST 1995
Article: 22843 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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tpg@metronet.com (Mike McCullough) wrote:
>talk1370@aol.com (Talk1370) wrote:
>
>>  "Black is not Silver...Foster was murdered..."
>
>>  Let's see now...all we have to do to make the conspiracy
>>  buffs happy is assume that Foster somehow let someone
>>  insert a gun in his mouth without a struggle while fully
>>  conscious, and pull the trigger...and oh, yes, he could only
>>  have owned one gun and no other...
>>  Come on, folks, let's get a grip on it, shall we? The
>>  conspiracy/murder theories venture further from fact
>>  with every passing day...
>
>
>No problem with Foster owning more than one gun.  But even if he owned
>a gun store, you still haven't explained why the gun described in the
>official reports is different from the one in the picture.  And even
>if you can explain that, there are still another 100 or so
>inconsistencies to explain.  Believing the official government story
>surrounding Foster's death requires a much greater suspension of
>reality than any theory ever posed in this group.
>
>Mike McCullough
>

I agree with Mr. McCullough entirely. Anyone who has read the posts on 
this newsgroup, and particularly on 
alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater, is fully aware that the 
inconsistencies in the suicide theory are so numerous and unanswerable 
that the probability of Foster's suicide has dropped to less than 5%. 
Some very acute person, I don't remember who at the moment, asked the 
question, "Is Vincent Foster guilty of the murder of Vincent Foster?" 
With the present evidence there is no jury in the country that would 
convict Foster of his own murder. He would be acquitted due to reasonable 
doubt. Which means that IT IS HIGHLY PROBABLE that someone else killed 
him and that a case against that person or persons can be made which 
contains much less reasonable doubt. An act of suicide is a convenient 
catchall category into which to dump potentially troublesome deaths. The 
official acceptance of suicide as the means of death provides a nice, 
neat, but often spurious sort of closure to the event. Every suicide 
should be investigated with no less care, diligence, and intensity than 
is accorded to a death that is obviously by another person's hand.  H. 
Ayre.



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Article: 22844 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Henry Ayre 
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Subject: Re: The Still Before The Storm
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lyonscc@netcom.com (Christopher Lyons) wrote:
>Lucile V. Wilson (mslu@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: *******************************************************
>: Because those statements that the note was a forgery could very well be
>: and untruth itself.  Believe me if this were true the media would be
>: all over it.
>
>Lucy, must you consistently prove yourself to be a poster-child for "Why 
>the Legal Retirement Age Should be 75"?
>
>The media Watch-dog has been Clinton's lap-dog from day one.  Look at how 
>fast they dropped the Gennifer Flowers story after Clinton's "60-Minutes" 
>interview, that even its producer admits (on tape) to being ficticious.  
>Look at the Newsweek article from 1993 in which they admit that they have 
>been overly nice to Clinton before and after his election.  Look at the 
>$160,000 payment to Mike Wallace and the subsequent fiction he produced 
>on Foster's death.  Look at the number of articles on the usenet (like 
>the Kelley story) that we've known forever that the media is only NOW 
>picking up on.  Look at the green afghan.  Look at the OBVOIUS 
>discrepancies in the FBI reports from the Foster investigation that have 
>been decried by the FBI's interviewee's as being false.  Newt Gingrich 
>has had 750 bogus charges brought against him, and only 1 has enough 
>merit to be investigated (and that one is VERY minor and could result in 
>$1000 in fines - spit in the ocean compared to at LEAST $60 MM (MM is 
>shorthand for million, Lu, since you probably are too old to know that) 
>that Clinton was involved in defrauding the American Public - you and me 
>(well, at least me, since you're probably sucking the government teat)).
>
>The media's bias is obvious, Lu.  If Vince Foster, himself, came back 
>from the grave to testify that his "suicide note" was forged and that 
>Hillary, herself, stabbed him with an ice-pick before having Dee Dee and 
>George dump his body in Fort Marcy park, the press would not bat an eye.
>
>Wake up and smell the coffee, Lucy.  Or, better yet, pour yourself a cup 
>of coffee, pop in a few re-runs of "Murder She Wrote," and pretend your 
>great-grandson never showed you what that computer-thingy was for.
>
>Chris Lyons
>lyonscc@netcom.com

Bravo, Mr. Lyons! The Lady that's known as Lu seems to be innocent of any 
functions of observation, reason, and logic. Perhaps she's a good cook, 
or can otherwise acquit herself roundly. Let's hope so, because her 
performance here on Usenet is something of a farce. H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Mon Dec 18 10:14:55 PST 1995
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From: Henry Ayre 
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prw@eden.rutgers.edu (tormentvm) wrote:
>oldno7@clark.net (Don Kool) writes:
>
>>	You really should examine the dictionary once in a while so that 
>>you don't look so foolish in front of so many people.  Only criminals can 
>>"murder a criminal".  What the state does is called a just 
>>*ex-e-cu-tion*.  It really isn't that hard to understand the difference 
>>if you try.  While you've got the dictionary out, you might want to look 
>>up the difference between *opinion* and *fact*.  You might learn that 
>>what  you've posted above about "violat[ing] our principles and values" 
>>is mere uninformed opinion and very far from being even remotely confused 
>>with a fact.  Remember what the wise man said.  Opinions are like 
>>assholes, everybody has one and they all stink.
>
>	Gee, Don, would you mind illustratng the difference between
>a murder and a 'just execution'?  Please include in your description
>evidence as to why viewing a particular incident as one or the other
>is not pure opinion?
>
>
>Fargo 'deathblade' X

It doesn't seem to me that "Fargo" is very much aware of the norms and 
strictures of a society. Maybe he is simply anti-social, better (or 
worse) yet, maybe he is an anarchist. A murder occurs when one or more 
humans kill one or more other humans mostly for reasons of immediate (1) 
financial gain, or (2) emotional satisfaction. No group of people vested 
by society with authority have formally (thus publicly) sanctioned the 
killing. Thus, murder is a "do-it-yourself" project. 

An execution, on the other hand, is just the opposite. A group of 
individuals who have been elected or chosen by agreed-upon 
social procedures decide that the individual who has committed murder 
(see above) is to himself die by execution. The decision to execute a 
criminal is subject to appeal and to argumentation by lawyers in a 
courtroom. In contradistinction, a murderer does not suspend in 
mid-stride his savagery on the victim if the latter yells, "Wait! I wish 
to appeal this death sentence you have arbitrarily placed on me!" No. The 
murderer is without pity or discussion or reason.

So there is, as you can see, a very great difference between a murder and 
an execution. 

How could you come to ask such a stupid question? H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Mon Dec 18 10:14:55 PST 1995
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From: Henry Ayre 
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness,alt.consciousness.mysticism,alt.conspiracy,alt.cyberspace,alt.fan.heinlein,alt.hypnosis,alt.philosophy.debate,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.psychology
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The antidote for the Big Bang is to be had in the reading of "The Big 
Bang Never Happened" by Eric Lerner. The theory is full of holes and has 
been sustained, as much other of our "knowledge," by the mass media in 
search for something marvelous to present to the credulous. The Big Bang 
is to a large extent a religious idea. The thoughts of "forever," 
"infinity," and "limitless" are impossible for the human mind to hold. 
Thus man tries to make the universe seem otherwise. H. Ayre

The Big Bang Never Happened, Eric Lerner, Times books (Random House), 
1991, ISBN 0-8129-1853-3, 466 pages.



From henri@alaska.net Mon Dec 18 10:14:56 PST 1995
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moonlite@netcom.com (Brian) wrote:
>In article <49vk5r$pr8@news.gate.net>, mkelly@gate.net (Michael Kelly) wrote:
>
>>| Daron Myrick (daronm@onramp.net) wrote:
>>| : |People, I was surfing the Net and I found out about something 
>>| : |interesting. During WWII, the government was using LSD to torture people. 
>>| : |It's all outlined in a LSD homepage but I can't remember which one. 
>>| : 
>>| : No, really?
>>| : When the Germans claimed they had ways of making people talk, LSD was
>one of them.
>>| : Wouldn't suprise me a bit of Uncle Sam did the same.
>>| 
>>| Several Months ago there was a show on the A&E Investigative Reports    
>>| about US Army drug testing.  According to the report, some of the       
>>| volunteers were given massive doses of LSD and then were subjected      
>>| to unpleasant stimulous to freak them out.  Naturally, since the        
>>|                                                                         
>>| US. Govt. can't be sued unless Congress allows it, the GIs that         
>>| got screwed up for the rest of their lives have no legal recourse.      
>>| All they can do is beg Congress to pass a bill allowing them to         
>>| sue.                                                                    
>>|                                                                         
>>| There were other programs, such as MK/ULTRA and ARTICHOKE               
>>| that many here are aware of I'm sure. :-)                               
>>|                                                                         
>>| 
>>| 
>>| -- 
>>| 
>>| Mike
>>| 
>>| "The institution of any reform is proof positive
>>|  that its circumvention is already in place."
>
>Guys,
>
>The government can be sued.  The Supreme Court ruled years ago that in
>cases where the government shows *gross negligence*, the government may be
>sued...regardless of the Congress.  (The case cited regarded a drunken
>postal worker and a postal truck.)
>
>MK/ULTRA and ARTICHOKE were not experimental operations.  A gang of
>filthy, child-molesting perverts was negligently allowed to gain positions
>of power in the military intelligence establishment.  The government
>negligently allowed the perverts in charge of the Defense Intelligence
>Agency to systematically sexually torture thousands of little children.
>
>These big, strong military commanders are too gutless for a stand-up
>fight, even against little children.  They hide behind a black
>technology.  That technology was illegally developed for no other purpose
>and has no other use than in order to satisfy those military pervert's
>twisted sexual perversions.  The government negligently allowed this
>technology to be developed.
>
>Don't endorse their position by using a term like "experimental."  If they
>think that a bunch of pervert Air Force Intelligence officers molesting
>and sexually torturing little children is "experimental," then let them
>explain how that works.  If they think that a bunch of traitors running
>the National Security Agency can torture American citizens who believe in
>social justice and Constitutional Rights for no other reason than for
>those beliefs, then let them publish their research data.
>
>Don't help the government cover up its gross negligence by using terms
>like "experimental."  Don't help them "candy-coat" their atrocities by
>using terms like "mind-control."
>
>Call it what it is...sexual torture of little children by perverts at the
>Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.  Call it what it is...political
>torture by traitors in Naval Intelligence conspiring to overthrow the
>government of the United States by violent means.  Call it what it
>is...psychiatric torture by sexual deviants passing themselves off as
>medical doctors.
>
>
>Brian
>
>P.S.: Did I miss anybody?
>

I'm in complete agreement with you, Brian. Now, would it be possible to 
name some of these people engaged in these despicable acts? I mean not 
just names, but current addresses, places of work, telephone numbers, fax 
numbers, other ways to reach them... Let's give them the "America's Most 
Wanted" treatment. H. Ayre.



From matt@webmediagrp.com Wed Dec 20 11:03:41 PST 1995
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KILL!  KILL!  KIIIIIIILLLLL the executioners!!!!!


  Henry Ayre wrote:
> 
> prw@eden.rutgers.edu (tormentvm) wrote:
> >oldno7@clark.net (Don Kool) writes:
> >
> >>      You really should examine the dictionary once in a while so that
> >>you don't look so foolish in front of so many people.  Only criminals can
> >>"murder a criminal".  What the state does is called a just
> >>*ex-e-cu-tion*.  It really isn't that hard to understand the difference


From henri@alaska.net Sat Dec 30 13:24:56 PST 1995
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pdlaunt@nando.net wrote:
>In <4bsr1l$67s@haida.pro.net>, Doug Bebb  writes:
>>Duane Roberts  wrote:
>>>On Wed, 27 Dec 1995, Modemac wrote:
>>>
>>>> Duane Roberts (eaou669@rigel.oac.uci.edu) wrote:
>>>> : That's the reason why I am *seriously* proposing the creation of an 
>>>> : alt.current-events.reagan-bush-clinton.mena usenet newsgroup.
>>>> : Any comments or criticisms?
>
>PDL:  IMO, there is enough material on Mena to seriously consider making it
> a stand-alone newsgroup.  It is my understanding that Terry Reed's current
>legal actions may soon result in a through airing of the Mena saga.
>
>I'd vote yes for the new newsgroup.
>
>P. Launt

I will also vote yes for the proposed new newsgroup. H. Ayre.



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nobody@nowhere.none (Marcos) wrote:
>In article <4bqk8b$gae@dub-news-svc-4.compuserve.com>,
><102541.3032@compuserve.com> wrote:
>
>->  eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) writes:
>-> >In ,
>first.last@xxxxxxx.aaaaa.bbb sez:
>-> >>Pardon me, but doesn't the issue concern who is paying the lawyer's
>-> >>bill.
>-> >
>-> >No.  The source of a lawyer's fee is not determinative of the
>-> >existence (or nonexistence) of an attorney-client relationship or the
>-> >associated privilege.
>-> >
>-> >-- 
>-> >"'On April 26, 1968, the defendant was observed in the Los Angeles County
>-> >Courthouse ... wearing a jacket bearing the words "Fuck the Draft"
>which were
>-> >plainly visible.  There were women and children present in the corridor.'"
>-> >Cohen v. California, 403 US 15, 16 (1971)  ||  Mark Eckenwiler eck@panix.com
>-> Which Clinton, Bill or Hillary, are you most concerned about?
>->      Trogluddite
>
>I'm more concerned about the REAL power behind the throne than puppets
>like Bill and Hillary.

Bravo! My sentiments exactly! H. Ayre.



From henri@alaska.net Sat Dec 30 14:58:55 PST 1995
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pdlaunt@nando.net wrote:
>In <4bsr1l$67s@haida.pro.net>, Doug Bebb  writes:
>>Duane Roberts  wrote:
>>>On Wed, 27 Dec 1995, Modemac wrote:
>>>
>>>> Duane Roberts (eaou669@rigel.oac.uci.edu) wrote:
>>>> : That's the reason why I am *seriously* proposing the creation of an 
>>>> : alt.current-events.reagan-bush-clinton.mena usenet newsgroup.
>>>> : Any comments or criticisms?
>
>PDL:  IMO, there is enough material on Mena to seriously consider making it
> a stand-alone newsgroup.  It is my understanding that Terry Reed's current
>legal actions may soon result in a through airing of the Mena saga.
>
>I'd vote yes for the new newsgroup.
>
>P. Launt

I will also vote yes for the proposed new newsgroup. H. Ayre.




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