Path: news.trends.ca!hub.org!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!scanner.worldgate.com!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!not-for-mail From: email@example.com (John Morris) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: could someone be LYING??? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:49:49 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 117 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <email@example.com> Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org NNTP-Posting-Host: async16-4.remote.ualberta.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca 886081794 24202 (None) 18.104.22.168 X-Complaints-To: email@example.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.trends.ca alt.revisionism:161900 In <firstname.lastname@example.org>, on Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:17:40 -0600, "Thomas Stedham"
wrote: >I will wait patiently for Yale or Joel Rosenberg or one of the other >fanatical holocaust supporters to reconcile this with reality..... >--------------------------------- >(from the IHR website) >....As to whether Bomba is being honest about having seen a gas chamber at >Treblinka consider Rachel Auerbach's description of that gas chamber in her >The Death Camp Treblinka (note 3). Auerbach is given a place of honor in >this, the most comprehensive book published on the camp. The most comprehensive book published on Treblinka? I hardly think so. But far be it for the IHR to give you complete and accurate information. First of all, _The Death Camp Treblinka_ is not by Rachel Auerbach. It is a collection of articles by several people edited by Alexander Donat. Auerbach's is but one of those articles. Far and a way the most comprehensive *history* of Treblinka is Yitzhak Arad's _Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka: The Operation Reinhard Death Camps_ published by the Indiana University Press in 1987. >As she was (she >died in 1976) a permanent research staff member of the Yad Vashem Holocaust >Memorial museum in Jerusalem, her description of the gas chamber should not >be dismissed out of hand. Of course not. That is why it is perplexing that the IHR goes on to dismiss the description out of hand. What you should consider is the time, circumstances, and manner of the description. Since the IHR has not filled in the gaps for you, and since you are too narrow-minded a bigot to do it for yourself, I guess I will do it for you. Not that it will make the least bit of difference to what you believe. >"... The floor of the gas chamber was sloping and slippery. The first ones >in would slip and fall, never to rise again. Those who followed would topple >over them ... About 25 to 45 minutes later -- [after the "gassing" began, >that is] -- the chutes on the other side could be opened and the corpses >tumbled out." Auerbach's description was written in 1946 at the end, or very near the end of her work, for the Polish Central State Commission for the Investigation of German Crimes in Poland. Despite the Commission's ponderous title, its members were not predominantly Jewish or Communist. I say so only because I know *you* will not consider the merits of any case otherwise. Auerbach herself was not a survivor of Treblinka, but an investigator who at the time of writing was collecting information from all possible sources. Auerbach's account is simply a narrative based upon witness statements submitted up to that point and well before it was possible for historians to sort out the wheat from the chaff. The description is very close to the Polish report--almost word for word--submitted by the United States at the IMT in Nuremberg. As such, it was likely given to Auerbach by a member of the Polish resistance. Polish resistance reports do differ significantly from the accounts given by survivors for the very simple reason that the Polish resistance had to observe the camp from a considerable distance. Judging from the scale maps and aerial photographs, I would say anywhere from a third to half a kilometer. Just as it is possible on a still winter day to mistake diesel exhaust for steam, so it is possible to mistake bodies falling from an open door for a door leading to a sloped, slippery floor. In any case, the perpetrators themselves were able to give quite accurate descriptions of the gassing process at the two Treblinka Trials at the Court of Assizes in Duesseldorf in 1965 and 1970. Parts of the Court's judgments are also printed in Donat's _The Death Camp Treblinka_. >It would seem that while he was being interviewed for Shoah Mr. Bomba forgot >about how slippery the floor is supposed to have been in his little gas >chamber. It seems he forgot how it slanted steeply in the direction of the >chutes. As a matter of fact, Mr. Bomba forgot to mention the chutes. I doubt whether the floor was slippery or slanted or whether there were any chutes. >If Lanzmann had read the literature even superficially he would have been >aware that Bomba was leaving a few things out of his story. As Lanzmann >claims he worked for ten years on Shoah, I'm going to guess that Lanzmann is >aware of Auerbach's description of the Treblinka gas chamber and chooses to >ignore it. Funny how Lanzmann is to blame for not knowing a book which the IHR cannot even cite correctly while the IHR is apparently blameless for not knowing the basic historiography. >-------------------------------- >SO, boys, is someone lying? Yes. The IHR. >Can you bring yourself to use words like "liar" >when referring to a sacred jew like >Auerbach? Certainly. But as I read more and more, the epithet more often belongs to the IHR. Don't even bother answering until you have read something a little more accurate and comprehensive than an IHR pamphlet on a web page. Until know what you are talking about, it will be a waste of your time and mine. -- John Morris at University of Alberta -- The Nizkor Project is at http://www.nizkor.org/
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