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In <4244l5$l6@inforamp.net> cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire) writes: 
>
>>On 27 Aug 95 07:46am, KARLM@IO.ORG wrote to ALL:
>>
>>    > In Toronto we have two Hate BBSs I know of that carry Hate
>>    > files and messages about gays and immigrants.  They need
>>    > to be shut down but the police don't think it is a serious
>>    > problem.
>>
>>I am the Sysop of Politically Incorrect.  You politically correct
>>types are the true hate-mongers!   You seek to silence ANYONE who
>>disagrees  with,  or  speaks out against your ideas and opinions.
>>The Canadian Charter of Rights and  Freedoms  GUARANTEES  me  the
>>right to Freedom of Speech, Thought, Belief and Expression.
>>
>>    > Both of these BBSs advertise often on
>>    > alt.politics.white-power
>>
>>I have never  personally advertised my BBS in alt.politics.white-
>>power, but even if I had, what is the big deal?  It is  a  Usenet
>>newsgroup  just like the many thousands of other newsgroups.  How
>>many newsgroups promote sodomy and other sick sexual perversions?
>>Why aren't you seeking to shut them down?
>>
>>    > On is called the Politically Incorrect BBS (416) 467-4975
>>    > and is run by a Chris Saunder.  The other one is called
>>    > Digital Freedom (416) 462-3327 and is run by a Mark Lemire.
>>
>>That's "Christopher Saunders", and  "Marc Lemire".  Thank you for
>>the free advertisement, we appreciate it! :)
>>
>>    > Since the police don't care about them maybe we can all
>>    > shut them down using the method I have been trying.
>>
>>The police have better things to do than  go  after  "hate  BBSs"
>>that aren't even breaking the law!  The police waist time filling
>>out  reports  because  people  like you file frivolous complaints
>>about BBSs which promote ideas  and opinions that you don't like.
>>They are not  using  their  time  and  money  to  go  after  real
>>criminals!
>>
>>Let  me  remind  you again, to the best of my knowledge, there is
>>*NOTHING* illegal on both Digital Freedom (Marc Lemire's BBS) and
>>Politically Incorrect (my  BBS).   Since  our  BBSs are operating
>>within Canadian law, you have no legal right to try and shut  our
>>BBSs down.  The method that you are using to try and shut us down
>>is  ILLEGAL, and violates my right to Free Speech under section 2
>>of  the  Canadian  Charter  of  Rights  and  Freedoms.   For your
>>information, here is what the Charter says about Free Speech:
>>
>>SECTION 2 OF THE CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS:
>>
>>"FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS
>>
>>2.  Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
>>
>>(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
>>
>>(b) freedom of thought,  belief, opinion and expression including
>>freedom of the press and other media of communication;"
>>
>>    > I get my communications program to keep on dialing them day
>>    > and night but to hang up after a preset time  so  that  the
>>    > modem  answers but does not get a chance to connect because
>>    > I set the program to run  the modem at 300 baud.  This ties
>>    > up the BBSs for probably 1/3 of the time which  is  a  good
>>    > ratio since I am dialing both of these BBSs, first one then
>>    > the  other.   If  we can get several other people doing the
>>    > same thing practically  nobody  will  ever  be  able to get
>>    > through to see this Hate propaganda.
>>
>>Usually I do not quote as much as this, but considering what  you
>>said, I feel that I should let people know exactly what kind of a
>>person you are.  Calling any  telephone number repeatedly for the
>>purpose  of  harassment  is  ILLEGAL!   If  anyone  calls  my BBS
>>repeatedly and ties it up, I  will have the number traced through
>>Bell Canada, and I will file charges.  I am a law abiding citizen
>>who is exercising his constitutionally protected rights.
>>
>>Internet: christopher.saunders@canrem.com     FidoNet: 1:229/15
>>Politically Incorrect BBS - 416-467-4975
>>
>>.... Duck Billed Platypus:  Proof God has a sense of humour
>> * Silver Xpress V4.01 SW12658
>
>
>I am re-posting this message to these conferences so that everyone
will know 
>that Mr. Mamer is advocating illegial activity against our BBS's.
>
>
>Thank you
>
>Marc Lemire
>DIGITAL FREEDOM SYSOP
>
>         

 I totally agree with this. I oppose censorship of any view, whether I
agree with it or not. Freedom of thought and expression is our most
precious and acred and must be defended at all cost. Such censorship
tactics as those described here are despicable.
-- 


- - - -

"...the concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep  2 10:41:45 PDT 1995
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In <426os8$4hf@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> sethf@athena.mit.edu (Seth
Finkelstein) writes: 
>
>In article <424lfb$koc_002@bootp.Virginia.EDU>
mre2b@darwin.clas.virginia.edu (mre) writes:
>>In article <420ie6$soj@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>,
>>   sethf@athena.mit.edu (Seth Finkelstein) wrote:
>>>>>	This is the tactic of endlessly talking about "porn to minors",
>>>>>and confusing "restrictions exist" with "any restriction is
justified".
>>>>
>>>>Seth can't even read my claim. No where do I say "any restriction
is 
>>>>justified."
>>>
>>>	That's the whole point. Rather than coming out and saying such,
>>>the whole idea is to hide it in phrasings by ignoring the actual
text
>>
>>Nonsense. There is nothing in posts that implies such an absurd
claim. Seth 
>>can't argue against my actual claims, so he invents claims I never
made to 
>>argue against.
>
>	Ever see the insinuation-speech satire? "My opponent is a
>thesbian who has engaged in public mastication, and exposed epidermis
>where little children could see ...". There's nothing in that speech
>which isn't 100% true. But when called on it, I can just see that
>fictional character saying "... invents claims I never made ...".
>	Again, I'm not the only person to have noticed your tactic of
>making a misleading implication, hoping to confuse people, and then
>trying to pretend it wasn't there. 
>	Time to start bring out items from the Elkin Archives. Note this
>is from TWO MONTHS ago. Elkin simply repeats his tactics, hoping to
>catch the unwary:
>


>> >
>> >	Category confusion swindle, on the phrase "restrictions that
>> >serve that interest". He makes the statement that can be read as
"ANY
>> >restriction ..." is constitutional, and people may be mislead by
this to
>> >wrongly think that the law is that any connection to restricting
porn
>> >from minors makes censorship Constitutional. But when called on it,
he can
>> >claim that he was merely pointing out that "THERE EXISTS a
restriction ..."
>> >that has been upheld as constitutional. Don't be taken in by this
>> >censorship advocacy confusion tactic.
>> 

>

 I agree with you completely, Mr. Finklestein. His tactics are
contemptible. And typical of all censorship advocates.
 "Courts have ruled..." "A precedent exists for this..." "We have this
good law, so this bad law is justified..." "We have this bad law, so
this other bad law is justified..." ad nauseum.
-- 


- - - -

"...the concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <426os8$4hf@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> sethf@athena.mit.edu (Seth
Finkelstein) writes: 
>
>In article <424lfb$koc_002@bootp.Virginia.EDU>
mre2b@darwin.clas.virginia.edu (mre) writes:
>>In article <420ie6$soj@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>,
>>   sethf@athena.mit.edu (Seth Finkelstein) wrote:
>>>>>	This is the tactic of endlessly talking about "porn to minors",
>>>>>and confusing "restrictions exist" with "any restriction is
justified".
>>>>
>>>>Seth can't even read my claim. No where do I say "any restriction
is 
>>>>justified."
>>>
>>>	That's the whole point. Rather than coming out and saying such,
>>>the whole idea is to hide it in phrasings by ignoring the actual
text
>>
>>Nonsense. There is nothing in posts that implies such an absurd
claim. Seth 
>>can't argue against my actual claims, so he invents claims I never
made to 
>>argue against.
>
>	Ever see the insinuation-speech satire? "My opponent is a
>thesbian who has engaged in public mastication, and exposed epidermis
>where little children could see ...". There's nothing in that speech
>which isn't 100% true. But when called on it, I can just see that
>fictional character saying "... invents claims I never made ...".
>	Again, I'm not the only person to have noticed your tactic of
>making a misleading implication, hoping to confuse people, and then
>trying to pretend it wasn't there. 
>	Time to start bring out items from the Elkin Archives. Note this
>is from TWO MONTHS ago. Elkin simply repeats his tactics, hoping to
>catch the unwary:
>


>> >
>> >	Category confusion swindle, on the phrase "restrictions that
>> >serve that interest". He makes the statement that can be read as
"ANY
>> >restriction ..." is constitutional, and people may be mislead by
this to
>> >wrongly think that the law is that any connection to restricting
porn
>> >from minors makes censorship Constitutional. But when called on it,
he can
>> >claim that he was merely pointing out that "THERE EXISTS a
restriction ..."
>> >that has been upheld as constitutional. Don't be taken in by this
>> >censorship advocacy confusion tactic.
>> 

>

 I agree with you completely, Mr. Finklestein. His tactics are
contemptible. And typical of all censorship advocates.
 "Courts have ruled..." "A precedent exists for this..." "We have this
good law, so this bad law is justified..." "We have this bad law, so
this other bad law is justified..." ad nauseum.
-- 


- - - -

"...the concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep  3 01:49:48 PDT 1995
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In  nomail@me.net (REVEAL) writes: 
>
>In article <426qdt$7rd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> bretcahill@aol.com
(BretCahill) writes:
>>All conservatism is based on censorship.  -- Bret Cahill
>
>This is an extremely telling line if thoroughly analysed!
>THE distinguishing characteristic of a conservative is RELIGION, by
definition 
>of "conservatives" themselves -- I'm not familiar with an exception.
>
>In order to "believe" (accept blindly -- accept without irrefutable
evidence) 
>in a supernatural "supreme being" or "supernatural creator" one must
practice 
>censorship -- a censorship by one part of one's mind of another part
of one's 
>mind.
>
>It is quite natural that one practicing such censorship would want to 
>extend this practice to others -- to extend one's feeling of "comfort"
by 
>doing so -- by building a psycological support structure.
>
>Is there anyone out there, especially a "conservative"  who has the
guts to 
>discuss this issue on this level?
>
>Franklin Reveal

 I have the guts.
 I often think of myself as a conservative (e.g., I oppose gun
control). I am a religionist. I am a polytheist.
 But I am totally opposed to censorship, whether of monotheists,
atheists, or any other view. And I am totally opposed to censorship of
pornography.
 It is not true that all religionists favor censorship. Many, of whom I
am one, do not.
 As for one part of my mind (the mystical or irrational) censoring the
other (the rational), I think it is precisely the opposite: the
mystical or irrational refusing to be censored by the rational. I
prefer a synthesis of reason and passion. 
-- 


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"...the concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep  3 01:49:53 PDT 1995
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In <426os8$4hf@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> sethf@athena.mit.edu (Seth
Finkelstein) writes: 
>
>In article <424lfb$koc_002@bootp.Virginia.EDU>
mre2b@darwin.clas.virginia.edu (mre) writes:
>>In article <420ie6$soj@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>,
>>   sethf@athena.mit.edu (Seth Finkelstein) wrote:
>>>>>	This is the tactic of endlessly talking about "porn to minors",
>>>>>and confusing "restrictions exist" with "any restriction is
justified".
>>>>
>>>>Seth can't even read my claim. No where do I say "any restriction
is 
>>>>justified."
>>>
>>>	That's the whole point. Rather than coming out and saying such,
>>>the whole idea is to hide it in phrasings by ignoring the actual
text
>>
>>Nonsense. There is nothing in posts that implies such an absurd
claim. Seth 
>>can't argue against my actual claims, so he invents claims I never
made to 
>>argue against.
>
>	Ever see the insinuation-speech satire? "My opponent is a
>thesbian who has engaged in public mastication, and exposed epidermis
>where little children could see ...". There's nothing in that speech
>which isn't 100% true. But when called on it, I can just see that
>fictional character saying "... invents claims I never made ...".
>	Again, I'm not the only person to have noticed your tactic of
>making a misleading implication, hoping to confuse people, and then
>trying to pretend it wasn't there. 
>	Time to start bring out items from the Elkin Archives. Note this
>is from TWO MONTHS ago. Elkin simply repeats his tactics, hoping to
>catch the unwary:
>


>> >
>> >	Category confusion swindle, on the phrase "restrictions that
>> >serve that interest". He makes the statement that can be read as
"ANY
>> >restriction ..." is constitutional, and people may be mislead by
this to
>> >wrongly think that the law is that any connection to restricting
porn
>> >from minors makes censorship Constitutional. But when called on it,
he can
>> >claim that he was merely pointing out that "THERE EXISTS a
restriction ..."
>> >that has been upheld as constitutional. Don't be taken in by this
>> >censorship advocacy confusion tactic.
>> 

>

 I agree with you completely, Mr. Finklestein. His tactics are
contemptible. And typical of all censorship advocates.
 "Courts have ruled..." "A precedent exists for this..." "We have this
good law, so this bad law is justified..." "We have this bad law, so
this other bad law is justified..." ad nauseum.
-- 


- - - -

"...the concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <42bhi4$ng0@horus.infinet.com> bjacoby@infinet.com (Ben Jacoby)
writes: 
>
>BathroomB (bathroomb@aol.com) wrote:
>: You said, "How many of you gun owners or people to the right of left
have
>: been called nuts or crazy in private email from leftists, let alone
in ng
>: postings?"  And, "The left in totalitarian countries have a history
of
>: abusing psychiatry for political reasons.  It seems to be moving
here
>: too."
>:    No, it doesn't work that way.  The Left is the ones who are being
>: thrown in "psychiatric hospitals" just for their politics.  It
happened to
>: me back in the Reagan/Bush years.
>
>Well actually it DOES work that way...except that it's not a
right-left 
>question anymore.  Use of psychiatric laws is a tool of those in power
to 
>be used as needed against anyone opposing them.  Thus, the operative 
>element here is not whether your politics are left or right, but
rather 
>whether the policies you are advocating are a burr under the saddle of

>those in authority.  In a nation of laws there tends to be
restrictions in 
>place that discourage misuse of this tool but clearly we are moving
away 
>from such limitations. (and totalitarian countries never had them in
the 
>first place.)
>
>--
>Benjamin Jacoby        |  "Some rob you with a six-gun and some with 
>bjacoby@infinet.com    |   a fountain pen." ..........Woodie Guthrie

 I totally agree. I totally and absolutely oppose thought-control in
the name of "mental health". It is totalitarian and despicable.
 If that makes me a crackpot or a nut, then so be it. I am proud to be
one.
 
-- 


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"...the concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In  nomail@me.net (REVEAL) writes: 
>
>In article <426qdt$7rd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> bretcahill@aol.com
(BretCahill) writes:
>>All conservatism is based on censorship.  -- Bret Cahill
>
>This is an extremely telling line if thoroughly analysed!
>THE distinguishing characteristic of a conservative is RELIGION, by
definition 
>of "conservatives" themselves -- I'm not familiar with an exception.
>
>In order to "believe" (accept blindly -- accept without irrefutable
evidence) 
>in a supernatural "supreme being" or "supernatural creator" one must
practice 
>censorship -- a censorship by one part of one's mind of another part
of one's 
>mind.
>
>It is quite natural that one practicing such censorship would want to 
>extend this practice to others -- to extend one's feeling of "comfort"
by 
>doing so -- by building a psycological support structure.
>
>Is there anyone out there, especially a "conservative"  who has the
guts to 
>discuss this issue on this level?
>
>Franklin Reveal

 I have the guts.
 I often think of myself as a conservative (e.g., I oppose gun
control). I am a religionist. I am a polytheist.
 But I am totally opposed to censorship, whether of monotheists,
atheists, or any other view. And I am totally opposed to censorship of
pornography.
 It is not true that all religionists favor censorship. Many, of whom I
am one, do not.
 As for one part of my mind (the mystical or irrational) censoring the
other (the rational), I think it is precisely the opposite: the
mystical or irrational refusing to be censored by the rational. I
prefer a synthesis of reason and passion. 
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <426os8$4hf@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> sethf@athena.mit.edu (Seth
Finkelstein) writes: 
>
>In article <424lfb$koc_002@bootp.Virginia.EDU>
mre2b@darwin.clas.virginia.edu (mre) writes:
>>In article <420ie6$soj@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>,
>>   sethf@athena.mit.edu (Seth Finkelstein) wrote:
>>>>>	This is the tactic of endlessly talking about "porn to minors",
>>>>>and confusing "restrictions exist" with "any restriction is
justified".
>>>>
>>>>Seth can't even read my claim. No where do I say "any restriction
is 
>>>>justified."
>>>
>>>	That's the whole point. Rather than coming out and saying such,
>>>the whole idea is to hide it in phrasings by ignoring the actual
text
>>
>>Nonsense. There is nothing in posts that implies such an absurd
claim. Seth 
>>can't argue against my actual claims, so he invents claims I never
made to 
>>argue against.
>
>	Ever see the insinuation-speech satire? "My opponent is a
>thesbian who has engaged in public mastication, and exposed epidermis
>where little children could see ...". There's nothing in that speech
>which isn't 100% true. But when called on it, I can just see that
>fictional character saying "... invents claims I never made ...".
>	Again, I'm not the only person to have noticed your tactic of
>making a misleading implication, hoping to confuse people, and then
>trying to pretend it wasn't there. 
>	Time to start bring out items from the Elkin Archives. Note this
>is from TWO MONTHS ago. Elkin simply repeats his tactics, hoping to
>catch the unwary:
>


>> >
>> >	Category confusion swindle, on the phrase "restrictions that
>> >serve that interest". He makes the statement that can be read as
"ANY
>> >restriction ..." is constitutional, and people may be mislead by
this to
>> >wrongly think that the law is that any connection to restricting
porn
>> >from minors makes censorship Constitutional. But when called on it,
he can
>> >claim that he was merely pointing out that "THERE EXISTS a
restriction ..."
>> >that has been upheld as constitutional. Don't be taken in by this
>> >censorship advocacy confusion tactic.
>> 

>

 I agree with you completely, Mr. Finklestein. His tactics are
contemptible. And typical of all censorship advocates.
 "Courts have ruled..." "A precedent exists for this..." "We have this
good law, so this bad law is justified..." "We have this bad law, so
this other bad law is justified..." ad nauseum.
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <42bhi4$ng0@horus.infinet.com> bjacoby@infinet.com (Ben Jacoby)
writes: 
>
>BathroomB (bathroomb@aol.com) wrote:
>: You said, "How many of you gun owners or people to the right of left
have
>: been called nuts or crazy in private email from leftists, let alone
in ng
>: postings?"  And, "The left in totalitarian countries have a history
of
>: abusing psychiatry for political reasons.  It seems to be moving
here
>: too."
>:    No, it doesn't work that way.  The Left is the ones who are being
>: thrown in "psychiatric hospitals" just for their politics.  It
happened to
>: me back in the Reagan/Bush years.
>
>Well actually it DOES work that way...except that it's not a
right-left 
>question anymore.  Use of psychiatric laws is a tool of those in power
to 
>be used as needed against anyone opposing them.  Thus, the operative 
>element here is not whether your politics are left or right, but
rather 
>whether the policies you are advocating are a burr under the saddle of

>those in authority.  In a nation of laws there tends to be
restrictions in 
>place that discourage misuse of this tool but clearly we are moving
away 
>from such limitations. (and totalitarian countries never had them in
the 
>first place.)
>
>--
>Benjamin Jacoby        |  "Some rob you with a six-gun and some with 
>bjacoby@infinet.com    |   a fountain pen." ..........Woodie Guthrie

 I totally agree. I totally and absolutely oppose thought-control in
the name of "mental health". It is totalitarian and despicable.
 If that makes me a crackpot or a nut, then so be it. I am proud to be
one.
 
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <----0209951948000001@cserv19.csubak.edu> --- (Cobra) writes: 


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In  czeps@icis.on.ca (Charles Zeps) writes: 
>
>heidrick@well.sf.ca.us (Bill Heidrick) wrote:
>
>:joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:
>
>
>:>I don't think anybody doubts that the swastika had a long and
perhaps 
>:>honorable history before being fouled by its use as a nazi symbol. 
After 
>:>that, folks of even minimal fastidiousness wouldn't want to touch
it.
>
>:This may be a bit parochial.  The swastika has long been and still
remains
>:a principal symbol of the Hindu god Shiva.  It's a daily part of
religious
>:usage throughout the world, including the U.S.A.
>
>:   Why should we allow Hitler even this victory, that he may pollute
this
>:ancient symbol?  Even the Hebrew first letter of the alphabet, Aleph,
>:has more or less the same shape.
>
>I think you are making a valuable point. The control of a society's
symbology is
>control of their minds. If we allow National Socialist ideal's to
control our
>thoughts and actions in the present day via co-opting of a symbol we
cede the
>power back to the ideology of the the co-opter's , the "nazis".
> 

 I totally agree. The swastika is a very sacred symbol used in many
ancient polytheistic religions. It has nothing to do with racism.
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In  joelr@winternet.com (Joel
Rosenberg) writes: 
>
>In article <422o6n$8ka@archon.elysian.net> ryanjackson@elysian.net
(Ryan Jackson) writes:
>>From: ryanjackson@elysian.net (Ryan Jackson)
>>Subject: Re: The Swastika Revealed
>>Date: 30 Aug 1995 22:20:07 GMT
>
>>Joel Rosenberg (joelr@winternet.com) wrote:
>>: In article  czeps@icis.on.ca (Charles Zeps)
writes:
>>: >From: czeps@icis.on.ca (Charles Zeps)
>>: >Subject: The Swastika Revealed
>>: >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 17:20:38 GMT
>>: 
>>: >                           THE SYMBOL OF THE SUN
>>: 
>>: >Many have been led to believ the Swatika is a "nazi" symbol, yet a
casual
>>: >examination of recent history show the use of the HAKENKRUZ in
ancient Troy,
>>: >China and Egypt.
>>: 
>>: I don't think anybody doubts that the swastika had a long and
perhaps 
>>: honorable history before being fouled by its use as a nazi symbol. 
After 
>>: that, folks of even minimal fastidiousness wouldn't want to touch
it.
>
>>        Exactly. Shortly before the Pearl harbor attack, the mostly 
>>Native American soldiers in the 45th Infantry division (NG) had to
shun 
>>their native shoulder patch symbol.
>
>A good point, and one I should have mentioned; I seem to remember
reading 
>something about that in one of Bill Mauldin's books.

 Very true. The swastika is a very sacred symbol used in many ancient
polytheistic religions. It has nothing to do with racism.
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In 
Marty Kelley  writes: 
>
>On 26 Aug 1995, Steven Malcolm Anderson wrote:
>
>>  Dear scumjew: I am pro-faggot and anti-scumjew. Pharaoh should have
>> killed Moses and his followers (scumjew like you) instead of
mercifully
>> exiling you from the Holy Land (Egypt). He was way too merciful!
>>  Moses invented genocide, not Hitler.
>>  Up with polytheism and down with monotheism! I am anti-scumjew and
>> pro-faggot and a femiNazi. Sieg Heil! Heil Roehm!
>> 
>
>Well, this is certainly a change.  Usually the nazis hate gays and
jews, 
>or some homophobe tries to discredit nazis by saying nazis are closet 
>gays...but here we have a pro-gay nazi polytheist...uhm, odd person. 
One 
>thing's for certain, you're hard to categorize.

 Very true.

>
>(Hey, is it OK if I support gay rights and still intensely dislike
this 
>racist idiot?)
>
>--Marty

 Marty, you may intensely dislike me all you please and I don't give a
shit. I am against Judaism as a religion, not Jews as a race. I am
against scum and culture-wreckers like Moses and those who follow him.
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In  schwartz@infinet.com
(Sara aka Perrrfect) writes: 
>
>Saw this one in alt.internet.media.coverage, and thought someone here
>might be interested.
> 
>Sara
>
>
> Newsgroups: alt.internet.media-coverage,alt.illuminati,alt.homosexual
> From: jwilk@eskimo.com (John Wilkinson)
> Subject: Re: New Book, THE PINK SWASTIKA
> Reply-To: jwilk@eskimo.com
> Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 15:00:49 GMT
> 
>
> 
> Shall we also point out that your co-author is Scott Lively,
> communications director of the rabidly anti-gay Oregon Citizens
> Alliance, force behind anti-gay campaigns all over the West? Is it
just  
>possible that your agenda is to smear lesbian/gay people
> with the broadest brush possible? 
> 

 The Oregon Citizens Alliance are anti-gay and anti-S&M. They are utter
subhuman scum and I am against them.
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <----0209951948000001@cserv19.csubak.edu> --- (Cobra) writes: 
>
>In article <215304Z02091995@anon.penet.fi>, an166397@anon.penet.fi
wrote:
>
  Lest someone bring up the Mayan ability to
>> build roads and calculate calendars, it must also be noted that they
>> never mastered the concept of the wheel.
>
>Let me see if I've got your logic here:
>
>A. "Blacks & Browns" can't create civilization.
>B."Blacks & Browns" have not created civilizations in the past.
>C. The Mayan civiliation refutes A & B.
>D. All civlizations must have wheels to be considered civilazations,
thus
>refuting part C.
>
>They never mastered the concept of the wheel? They didn't exactly have
>oxen or horses to pull carts that would make use of the wheel. They
did
>use wheels for creating calendars. They did have games using balls, so
I
>am sure they were familar with the idea that round things roll.

 Very true. And the Mayan astronomy rivaled or surpassed that of the
Greeks or Babylonians. They created a splendid civilization.
 

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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <810129655snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> Alexander Baron
 writes: 

>Try contacting some anti-homo group; there are a few in the US;

 Correction: there are _many_ in the U.S. (too many) , e.g., the
despicable Oregon Citizens Alliance, and all the other Biblical "Right"
organizations.

 there's one
>calle Homosexuals Anonymous; they don't get much publicity though.

 A similar group is the aptly named Exodus, named after that book in
the Bible which contains so much anti-Egyptian garbage.
 Read Exodus 22:18. It had a major impact in our history. 


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"...the concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <41tqcr$ui@news.socketis.net> libra2@socketis.net (Corey Brand)
writes: 
>
>In article , czeps@icis.on.ca (Charles Zeps)
wrote:
>>                           THE SYMBOL OF THE SUN
>>
>>Many have been led to believ the Swatika is a "nazi" symbol, yet a
casual
>>examination of recent history show the use of the HAKENKRUZ in
ancient Troy,
>>China and Egypt.

 Very true. The swastika was used in Native American religions as well.

>
>If I am not mistaken, the swastika was also a Germanic rune.  I know
for sure 
>the SS symbol is a pair of runes taken from FUTHARK, and I have seen
pictures 
>of some WW II German soldiers wearing other runes traditionally
associated 
>with war.
>

 The runes and the swastika have nothing to do with racism. They were
used in the polytheistic religion of my Norse ancestors. The swastika
was used in many other polytheistic faiths, e.g., that of the Egyptians
and the Mayans. It is a sacred symbol. It has nothing to do with
racism.     ___
        |  |
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"...the concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
> Also see Exodus 22:18
>
> "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
>
> This one had an enormous impact on our history.

And I've also heard over and over that this one was a terrible and
possibly convenient translation from the original Hebrew (the line
appears in the King James Version) though I'm not qualified to speak
to this directly (ie, I don't know the original hebrew or what it
might better have been translated as.)


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From sma4@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep  7 07:31:37 PDT 1995
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In <60.29227.2972.0N1F32B1@canrem.com> christopher.saunders@canrem.com
(Christopher Saunders) writes: 
>
>The Bible condemns homosexuality.  Here is what it says:
>
>    "If a man also  lie  with  mankind,  as  he lieth with a
>     woman, both of  them  have  committed  an  abomination:
>     they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be
>     upon them."  Leviticus 20:13 KJV
>

 Also see Exodus 22:18

 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

 This one had an enormous impact on our history.

 Also see Exodus 11:5, Numbers 31:1-18, Deuteronomy 2:33-34, 3:2-6,
20:16-17, Joshua 10:28-40, 11:6-23, Psalms 137:9, and others like them.
 Hitler didn't invent genocide.

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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <42o59s$no0_005@isdn6-123.dnai.com> lizard@expressway.com (Lizard)
writes: 
>
>In article <42kblc$q0u@hpscit.sc.hp.com>,
>   dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) wrote:
>
>
> > She picked the
> >side of an experienced mom who's more concerned about her children
finding
> >out that African Americans are actually the property of the US
government
> >than she is about them accidently landing on pornography (as her
children
> >net surf). 
>
>In other words, this 'experienced mom' would rather have her children 
>masturbate than think.

 I myself would rather do both.

>
>*-----------------------------------------------------------------*
>Evolution Doesn't Take Prisoners:Lizard
>Lizard is more dangerous than cyberporn!:The New York Times
(paraphrased)

-- 
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"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <42ool0$941@newsbf02.news.aol.com> ddivincenz@aol.com (DDivincenz)
writes: 
>
 in the "no special rights for fags"
>Oregon.

 Oregon Citizens Alliance are subhuman scum.

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In 
schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes: 
>
>In article <42jpmf$d3r@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, sma4@ix.netcom.com
(Steven
>Malcolm Anderson ) wrote:
>
>> In <60.29227.2972.0N1F32B1@canrem.com>
christopher.saunders@canrem.com
>> (Christopher Saunders) writes: 
>> >
>> >The Bible condemns homosexuality.  Here is what it says:
>> >
>> >    "If a man also  lie  with  mankind,  as  he lieth with a
>> >     woman, both of  them  have  committed  an  abomination:
>> >     they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be
>> >     upon them."  Leviticus 20:13 KJV
>> >
>> 
>>  Also see Exodus 22:18
>> 
>>  "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
>> 
>This one is an enormous canard.
> 
>It's a mis-translation, thanks to the Crew who worked on the King
James Bible.
> 
>The translation should read:
> 
>Thall shalt not suffer as POISONER to live.
> 
>Since witches (in those days) were associated with poisoning, the word
was
>used instead.
> 
>Sara
>
>-- 
>"No human race is superior; no religious faith is inferior. All
collective judgements are wrong. Only racists make them."
>     Elie Wiesel

 The Revised Standard Version (approved by liberals and Jews, BTW)
translates Exodus 22:18 as "You shall not permit a sorceress to live."
 Note the female gender here. It is a known fact that the witch-hunt
movement was largely anti-female.
 Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, were killed on the basis of
this passage.
 This, and the other Biblical passages I cited, were used throughout
history as justification for genocide against "pagan" (polytheistic)
religions and peoples.
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <42o59s$no0_005@isdn6-123.dnai.com> lizard@expressway.com (Lizard)
writes: 
>
>In article <42kblc$q0u@hpscit.sc.hp.com>,
>   dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) wrote:
>
>
> > She picked the
> >side of an experienced mom who's more concerned about her children
finding
> >out that African Americans are actually the property of the US
government
> >than she is about them accidently landing on pornography (as her
children
> >net surf). 
>
>In other words, this 'experienced mom' would rather have her children 
>masturbate than think.

 I myself would rather do both.

>
>*-----------------------------------------------------------------*
>Evolution Doesn't Take Prisoners:Lizard
>Lizard is more dangerous than cyberporn!:The New York Times
(paraphrased)

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <42tenp$o0o@access4.digex.net> mstein@access4.digex.net (Michael P.
Stein) writes: 
>
>    Here I'd thought all this time it was the killing that was kept 
>secret via euphemisms.  But revisionist scholar Jeff Roberts has 
>revealed the truth at last!
>-- 
>Mike Stein			The above represents the Absolute Truth.
>POB 10420			Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
>Arlington, VA  22210		position of my employer.

 Good point. Here's another: Was the killing kept secret or wasn't it?
If it was, then how can anti-revisionists argue, as they do, that the
German people (or even the Allies) all knew about it and are therefore
forever guilty of "the" holocaust??
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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 We need _more_ Holocaust Museums.
 We need:
 A museum for the millions who were killed by the Communists (e.g.,
Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot).
 A museum for the Aztecs and Mayans and other Native American cultures
who were systematically genocided in the name of the One Male God of
Judao-Christianity.
 A museum for the Vikings and Celts who were forcibly converted to the
One Male God of Judao-Christianity.
 A museum for all the "witches" who were killed in the name of the One
Male God of Judao-Christianity.
 A museum for all the homosexuals and other "perverts" who were
persecuted in the name of Judao-Christian morality.
 A museum for the revisionists who are now being persecuted because
they ask too many questions about "the" Holocaust.
 Yes, by all means, let's build MORE Holocaust Museums! 

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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Subject: What is "anti-semitism"?
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 Revisionists and others such as myself are constantly smeared as
"anti-semitic".
 Exactly what is "anti-semitism"? Am I an "anti-semite"?
 Is it a hostility toward _all_ Jews indiscriminately? If so, then I
certainly am not an "anti-semite".
 Or is it a hostility toward _some_ Jews? If so, then I am an
"anti-semite".
 (Incidentally, if hostility toward _any_ Jews is "anti-semitism", then
the JDL and others like them are among the worst "anti-semites" in the
world because of their hatred toward Jewish revisionists like David
Cole.)
 Is "anti-semitism" racism? Are the Jews a race? If so, then
"anti-semitism" is racism. I am certainly not an "anti-semite" in that
sense.
 Or is Judaism a religion? If so, then "anti-semitism" is not racism.
 I oppose Judaism because it is monotheist and patriarchist.
 As a polytheist, I _must_ oppose monotheism.
 Islam (Muhammadanism) is even more monotheist and patriarchist than
(at least modern) Judaism and I oppose it even more.
 Christianity, esp. Protestantism, is also monotheist and patriarchist
to a large extent. Catholicism is mitigated by such "pagan" elements as
the veneration of the Virgin Mary.
 (There are strong parallels between the Christian Christ and Mary and
the Egyptian Osiris and Isis. Spengler, among others, pointed this
out.)
 It has been wisely said that: "There are bad people in good religions
and good people in bad religions."
 I despise those Jews (and even more, those gutless Gentiles) who use
guilt-manipulation and smear tactics such as smearing as
"anti-semites", "fascists", "nazi war criminals", "feminazis", etc.,
all (such as myself) who deviate from the "politically correct" party
line.
 MANY have been so smeared (including a number with Jewish parentage).
Among them: Jesus Christ, G. K. Chesterton, Friedrich Nietzsche, Ayn
Rand, Oswald Spengler, Richard Wagner, Camille Paglia, Joseph Campbell,
Steve McNallen, the entire German nation, the entire Western
civilization, the entire Egyptian civilization, etc..
 So, if I am called a "feminazi", "nazi war criminal", etc., because of
my views, then I know that I am in good company. 

 
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <42tpeb$2q8@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jwccti1@aol.com (JWCCTI1) writes:

>
>sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson ) wrote:
>
>>  We need _more_ Holocaust Museums.
>>  We need:
>>  A museum for the millions who were killed by the Communists (e.g.,
>> Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot).
>
>In time, museums will be built to these mass murders.  

 When?

>
>>  A museum for the Aztecs and Mayans and other Native American
cultures
>> who were systematically genocided in the name of the One Male God of
>> Judao-Christianity.
>
>What are you talking about?  There is no such thing as
>"Judeo-Christianity".  Neither religious nor secular Jews worship
Jesus,
>which to Jews is polytheism.
>Can you name any organization which calls itself the "Temple/Church of
>Judeo-Christianity?"  I don't think so.  It is an offensive term to
the
>Jewish minority to be religiously lumped with something which not one
Jew
>believes.

 You can thank gutless Christian Gentiles like Jerry Falwell, Pat
Robertson, and many (too many) others for the "Judeo-Christian"
concept. These gutless Gentiles don't want Jews to feel left out of
their "moral majority". That would be "anti-semitic".
 But note that, in their phony "tolerance", these gutless Gentiles
leave out Native Americans, Asatru, and all other "pagans".
 The concept of "Judeo-Christianity" means that these gutless Christian
Gentiles emphasize the idea (which you don't) that Christianity is
continuous with Judaism, that Jesus was not a rebel but just a good
Pharisee, that the Old Testament is as valid as the New Testament, that
Moses is as good as Jesus, etc..  All of this in order to avoid a
charge of "anti-semitism". Cowardice and "political correctness" all of
it. (All of it is lies, and if I were a Christian, I would never
swallow any of that garbage. I'd stick strictly with Jesus and the New
Testament.)
 Since these gutless "Judeo-Christians" are crawling on their bellies
to avoid being called "anti-semites" by attributing to Judaism all that
they see as good in Christianity, I have decided to play their game in
reverse. Certainly, the forced conversions and genocide I mentioned are
much more in line with the teachings of Moses than they are with the
teachings of Jesus.
 So, if you have any objections to my use of "Judeo-Christianity", take
it up with those gutless Christian Gentiles who are emphasizing the Old
Testament equally with the New. I'll stop saying "Judeo-Christian" when
Christians start emphasizing the New Testament instead of the Old.
 Personally, as I have said many times before, I am neither a Jew nor a
Christian. I am a polytheist.

>
>The decline of the Mayans --- who still exist by the way,

 So do Jews.

 and are the
>indigenous peoples of Yucatan, Chiapas and Guatelama  --- has nothing
to
>do with the Conquistadores.

 Correction: It had everything to do with those despicable scum. What
they did to the Aztecs and Mayans in the name of the One Male God of
the Bible (and greed for gold) was spiritual genocide: a systematic
attempt to wipe out their faith and culture. Only a few of their sacred
writings remain in existence.  The rest were burned.
 Fact remains: The Mayans and Aztecs built one of the most splendid
civilizations in history. And it was destroyed by subhuman scum.
  
>
>[Other references to converts to "Judeo-Christianity" deleted.]

 These forced conversions of Northern Europeans _did_ take place,
accompanied by the systematic torture and murder of those who bravely
refused to be converted to "Judeo-Christian" monotheism.
 True, this sordid bit of history is not mentioned much in the
controlled media, but, yes, it did happen. (Or, are _you_ now a
"denier"?) 


>
>>  A museum for the revisionists who are now being persecuted because
>> they ask too many questions about "the" Holocaust.
>
>It is a fact that approximately 6 million Jews were killed by people
who
>conscientiously planned to _eliminate_ the entire Jewish population of
>Europe.  
>"The Jewish Question" did not leave any alternative to the victims,
such
>as 
>mass emigration to Uganda.  They were to lose their lives, which is to
>say, everything which they had.
>
>Excluding the Cambodians, the other groups you mentioned were not
murdered
>with the same intent of total annihilation.  There were those who
said,
>"The only good Indian is a dead Indian," but that murderous policy was
>never the policy of an entire government apparatus

 Our government certainly played a role in their decimation, breaking
treaties whenever convenient, etc. 

, unlike the Third Reich
>whose intent was to murder every Jew in Europe.
>
>>  A museum for the revisionists who are now being persecuted because
>>  they ask too many questions about "the" Holocaust.
>
>Really?  What questions do you ask about the Holocaust?

 Revisionists have raised many questions about gas chambers, crematoria
capacity, the soap and lampshades, validity of eyewitness accounts,
etc..
 I myself have asked this question: If the Nazis went to such great
lengths to keep the extermination secret (to the the point of not
allowing even the Gestapo into the death camps), then how can
anti-revisionists claim, as they do over and over again, that the
German people as a whole (or even the Allies) knew all about it and
are, therefore, to be held forever guilty.
 I suspect a hidden agenda behind many (by no means all) of the
anti-revisionists: to use guilt over the Holocaust to bring down
Germany and perhaps the rest of European civilization as well.

  Or to rephrase
>the question, what physical dangers do you see posed against Holocaust
>revisonists in the United States?

 On July 4, 1984, the JDL firebombed the headquarters of the IHR,
destroying thousands of dollars worth of property, including many
books.
 The JDL is one of the major terrorist organizations in the United
States.

  I will grant you that they are largely
>considered sociopaths, but they are in no real danger, whereas, they
do
>and have posed threats.  

 In the United States, Professor Arthur Butz was not permitted to have
a fireside chat with some of his students because of "politically
correct" elements in his university. 
 David Cole (Jewish by birth) has been attacked and his life threatened
by the JDL.
 Elsewhere, revisionists are actually banned by law from expressing
their views. Professor Faurisson has been beaten up and hospitalized
for his views. At least one revisionist was murdered.
 Revisionists are being persecuted. Less so here in the U.S., but only
because we seem to guard our First Amendment more carefully. Some of us
do, anyway.  

>
>For instance, a number of loons on here advocate dividing the United
>States into ethnically divided regions, which could only occur under
>force.  One group is naive enough to think that if the rest of the
United
>States becomes as ethnically diverse as Southern California, then
there
>would be widespread support for their ideas.  But the truth is, there
is
>totally negligible support in Southern California for fascism of this
>kind. In fact, the diversity of Los Angeles is one of the things which
>attracts people to L.A.  Los Angeles _is_ unique, and this kind of
>singularity is not something that will ever be widespread. Its
>cosmopolitan character is what Angelinos love. 
>
>It's only losers who are too stupid to enjoy the rest of the human
race
>that oppose "cosmopolitans".  This irrational hatred is one thing
which
>both the Nazis and the Marxists held in common.
>
>At least one individual on here, Wyatt Kaldenberg, belongs to a group
of
>deranged illiterate know-nothings, not one of whom can even speak a
>language besides English, which advocates the murder of Jews.  You
want
>human garbage like Kaldenberg for a neighbor? 

 I have nothing to do with racism. My objections to certain Jews is
because of the guilt-manipulation tactics they use such as calling
everybody an "anti-semite" (and here I think gutless Gentiles are much
more to blame) and to Judaism as a religion the grounds that it is
monotheist. Race has nothing to do with it.

>
>>"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
>>  wanting to be by oneself,
>>  being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich
>Nietzsche
>> "Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia
>
>What exactly _are_ you doing posting on here, Steven Malcolm Anderson,
>inasmuch as you have posted to a newsgroup consisting largely of
>Hitler-supporters and assorted antisemites?  You think the likes of
Wyatt
>Kaldenberg, or Leslie FUBAR boy or ben-Trash or Greg Raven or the
other
>regulars knows Nietzsche from Paglia?  
>
>Or are you one of them?

 I'm glad you read my .sig and at least have a clue, unlike some others
in some other newsgroups. I appeciate that.
 Revisionists, such as Bradley R. Smith and many others, tend to be
more independent thinkers and do not let the media do their thinking
for them.
 Smith, Cole, Faurisson, Butz, and many other revisionists are not
racists, but are smeared as racists by the media.
 Am I "one of them? No. I'm on my own here expressing my own views. I
speak for nobody but myself. But I will continue to speak. 

>
>
>Jim  Collier
>Costa Mesa, Calif.
>
>
> 
>
>
>  

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <42tt05$44e@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jwccti1@aol.com (JWCCTI1) writes:

 
>
>You can see, perhaps, why many of us might think that you're a
Jew-hater
>and are ready to write you off as another of the sociopaths who have
>posted in this group.
>
>
>Jim Collier

 Am I a "Jew-hater?" I've already answered that question.
 You have yet to answer mine: Precisely WHAT IS a "Jew-hater"?
 One who hates ALL Jews? I don't.
 One who hates SOME Jews? I do. Those who use the kind of smear tactics
you use, calling people "Jew-haters".
 (Actually, the ones who do this most are gutless Gentiles who call
others "Jew-haters" so that they themselves won't be branded as
"Jew-haters". It's they who I really find despicable. At least Jews who
do it have "chutzpah". The Gentiles have none. I suspect you are one of
those gutless Gentiles.)
 Race has nothing whatever to do with it. I disagree with certain
doctrines of Judaism.
 I'm a "political correctness"-hater.
 Here's another question for you: Are YOU a German-hater? A
"pagan"-hater?
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 11 03:43:43 PDT 1995
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In  joelr@winternet.com (Joel
Rosenberg) writes: 
>
>In article <42tksp$5m9@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> sma4@ix.netcom.com
(Steven Malcolm Anderson ) writes:
>>From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
>>Subject: We need MORE Holocaust Museums!
>>Date: 10 Sep 1995 03:09:13 GMT
>
>> We need _more_ Holocaust Museums.
>> We need:
>> A museum for the revisionists who are now being persecuted because
>>they ask too many questions about "the" Holocaust.
>
>Absolutely -- and we need a museum for unicorns, and griphons, and
smeerps, 
>and other mythical creatures, too.

 You deny the existence of Ernst Zundel? Robert Faurisson? David
Irving? David Cole?

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <42v5o8$rgc@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> western aquatic research facility
 writes: 
>
>bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>> I'll explain what I REALLY
>>said.  But I don't have much hope:  you sound like you've already
made up
>>your mind, like a good little liberal.
>
>>Les
>
>
>A liberal?  A LIBERAL?  HAHAHAHAHAH!
>That is the funniest thing I have read all day!
>
>Hey Kodish, Les thinks I am a liberal!   HAHAHAH!
>
>Just because I am anti-racist and anti-inbreeding, I am a liberal?
>Gee, even with my support of the death-penalty, and gov`t cutbacks,
>I thought I would at least get a reputation of being a little 
>conservative!  I guess I will have to try harder!
>
>
>Tim Lamb
>http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/warf/
>

 ROFL. You're in good company. In alt.feminism.individualism and
alt.feminazis, I am being called (ROFL!!) "P.C." because of my feminist
views and here in alt.revisionism I am being called a Nazi.
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 11 03:43:44 PDT 1995
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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In <42v936$4ln@news1.usa.pipeline.com> avickery@usa.pipeline.com(Antony
F. P. Vickery) writes: 
>
>On Sep 10, 1995 02:57:27 in article ,
>'sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )' wrote: 
> 
>>I oppose Judaism because it is monotheist and patriarchist. 
>>As a polytheist, I _must_ oppose monotheism. 
> 
>Hmmm!  Therefore I presume it follows that as the owner of a Honda I
must
>oppose those who drive Fords, and that as a user of Tide I must oppose
>those who use Cheer, and that as an Englishman I must oppose Belgians.

>Here's an idea: How about just letting everyone be? 
> 
>Antony F. P. Vickery

 I favor complete freedom for all religions, monotheist, polytheist,
atheist, whatever. Unfortunately, monotheists have not always. Remember
what was done to the Aztecs and Mayans and other "pagan" cultures in
the name of the One True God (a MALE God, BTW).
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <42vd3p$e2s@news.dknet.dk> olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

>       So you think that I am a Jew-hater, just because I am
challenging
>       the established historiography concerning the fate of the Jews
in
>       the German concentrations-camps during WW2 :-D. What it is by
the
>       way the difference between a Jew-hater and an anti-Semite
>       according to the Jews?
>

 You're in good company, Ole. But these jerks won't even tell you what
a "Jew-hater" or "anti-Semite" or "Nazi-lover" IS! They prefer simply
to smear anyone who asks such questions.

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <42v8no$4if@news1.usa.pipeline.com> avickery@usa.pipeline.com(Antony
F. P. Vickery) writes: 
>
>On Sep 10, 1995 02:57:27 in article ,
>'sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )' wrote: 
> 
>>Revisionists and others such as myself are constantly smeared as 
>>"anti-semitic". 
>>Exactly what is "anti-semitism"? Am I an "anti-semite"? 
>>Is it a hostility toward _all_ Jews indiscriminately? If so, then I 
>>certainly am not an "anti-semite". 
>>Or is it a hostility toward _some_ Jews? If so, then I am an 
>>"anti-semite". 
>>(Incidentally, if hostility toward _any_ Jews is "anti-semitism",
then 
>>the JDL and others like them are among the worst "anti-semites" in
the 
>>world because of their hatred toward Jewish revisionists like David 
>>Cole.) 
>> 
>>[Lots of nonsense in a similar vein snipped] 
> 
>Steve, old buddy.  If you want people actually to *read* your
ramblings,
>you really must learn to present them in a more attractive and
inviting
>fashion.  Remember, it's not necessary to begin every sentence on a
new
>line.  The single-line, nervous and jumpy presentation of your
thoughts
>(see above) makes for a most unpleasant reading experience.  Take a
look in
>any book and you'll get the idea of sentence flow.  If you don't have
a
>book I'll be pleased to lend you one. 
> 
>Antony F. P. Vickery

 Antony, old buddy. If I were to write longer paragraphs, you would
them complain that my paragraphs were too long. AND, old buddy: Neither
you nor anyone else here has yet given a coherent answer (or _any_
f---king answer to any of my questions. Now, precisely _WHAT IS_ an
"anti-semite"?
 (P.S.: You, old buddy, are the one who said that some people use Tide,
others use Cheer, etc.. Different people have different styles of
writing and reading. Some like long drawn-out paragraphs. Others prefer
shorter paragraphs. Anyway: Answer the f---ing questions!!)   
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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In <42vgg1$oku@news.dknet.dk> olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

>
>dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>
>
>>There are many Jews who have "the same skin-colour as the Germans",
>>and blond hair, did it help them during the Holocaust? What are
>>you talking about, exactly?
>
>  You are right here. There is nothing such as a Jewish race. If you 
>take a look at the Jewish population in Israel, you will soon find out

>that they look much more like the people of the countries from which
they 
>originate, than they look like each other. It is also my opinion that 
>Hitler was more of a German chauvinist than a true racialist. The
racial 
>difference between e.g. the Poles and the Germans are not very
significant 
>either. 
>
>
>Ole Kreiberg
>
>PS I know that the word race has a broader meaning in English than in
>Danish. When I use the word here I mean race in the biological sense. 
>
>

 I agree. There is no such thing as a Jewish race. How then can
disagreement with certain doctrines of Judaism or other monotheistic
religions be equated with racism? And how can opposition to the smear
tactics used by _certain_ Jews (and many Gentiles) be equated with
racism?? Race has nothing to do with it.
-- 
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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In <42vhlg$fv8@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee)
writes: 
>
>In message <42tufr$17ra@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> -
jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (J
>ohn Morris) writes:
>:>
>:>sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson ) wrote:
>:>
>:>[long self-pitying rant deleted]
>:> 
>:>>sma4@ix.netcom.com
>:>>"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
>:>> wanting to be by oneself,
>:>> being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich
Nietzsche
>:>
>:>I often wondered why you guys so often have ego-boosting quotes from
>:>Nietzsche in your .sigs.
>
 (More Nietzsche-hating garbage deleted)

 Answer the f---ing question, stupid: What, precisely, IS
"anti-semitism"?

>
>
>
>Gord McFee 
>"I'll write no line before its time"
>

-- 
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 11 04:43:21 PDT 1995
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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In <42g5pi$n85@newsbf02.news.aol.com> chaos72@aol.com (Chaos 72)
writes: 
>
>   So what are you? Cybernazi's?
    In THIS (alt.evil) ng, yes! Heil Evil!!   

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 11 04:43:30 PDT 1995
Article: 6709 of alt.conspiracy
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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Subject: Re: Just What Exactly Are Your Kids Seeing on the Internet?
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 If any child sees anything I post here in alt.evil or anywhere else --
that's too f---ing bad for them.
 (I myself don't have any children, and if I did by chance, I would see
to it that they were aborted.)
 I will read and post whatsoever I damn please -- and no scared-ass
parents or f---ing scumbags in government are going to stop me.
 Heil Evil!! 
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 11 15:08:13 PDT 1995
Article: 6893 of alt.revisionism
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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Subject: Re: What is "anti-semitism"?
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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
writes: 
>
>sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson ) writes:
>
>[To me]
>
># Do you hate Germans?
>
>No.
>
>
>-Danny Keren.
>

 Good.
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 11 16:20:22 PDT 1995
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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Subject: Re: What is "anti-semitism"?
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In <431s1k$qmi@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John
Morris) writes: 

>Have you ever heard the expression that begins "You can catch more
>flies with honey. . . ?"
>

 You're the one to talk, you hypocritical asshole. YOU'RE the one who
calls everybody who disagrees with you or questions you a Nazi.
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 11 16:20:23 PDT 1995
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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Subject: Re: What is "anti-semitism"?
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In <430fc7$j4m@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John
Morris) writes: 
>
>sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson ) wrote:
>> Now, will you answer my question: Exactly WHAT IS "anti-semitism"?
>
>No.
>

 That's all I needed to know, scumbag. You are "politically correct"
scum who need to smear others as "anti-semites", "fascists", "nazis",
"war-mongers", etc..
 I've stated clearly over and over precisely where I stand on race and
religion, but you, scumbag, won't bother to define the words you smear
others with.
 (You may be a Jew, but I'll wager you are a gutless Gentile instead.
They're even worse, as I've said. Smearing others so they won't be
smeared themselves. No guts at all.)

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 11 16:57:47 PDT 1995
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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In <430fc7$j4m@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John
Morris) writes: 
>
>sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson ) wrote:
>> Now, will you answer my question: Exactly WHAT IS "anti-semitism"?
>
>No.
>
>--

 As I said before, I'm in good company with those others I named who
have also been smeared by the likes of you, scumbag.
 To be called a "Nazi" by the likes of you is a badge of honor.

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 11 17:15:07 PDT 1995
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
writes: 
>
>sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson) writes:
>
>[to Gord McFee]
>
># Answer the f---ing question, stupid: What, precisely, IS
># "anti-semitism"?
>
>Maybe he didn't bother to answer because he didn't think it's
>worth the effort? Why do you have to spam the newsgroup with
>about 10 consecutive articles, in which you say exactly the
>same?
>
>If this supplies a partial answer to your question (I am not
>sure if you deny the Holocaust or not, my answer is with regard
>to Holocaust-deniers): if someone would deny slavery ever took
>place, and told jokes about the "alleged slavery", etc, most
>people would assume he hates Blacks. That's one reason most
>people assume, and rightly so, that most Holocaust-deniers
>hate Jews. Another reason is that many Holocaust-deniers state
>that they hate Jews, and admire Hitler.
>
>Is this an answer to your question?
>
>
>-Danny Keren.
>
>

 No. And here's another: Do you hate Germans?
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From c552047@mizzou1.missouri.edu Tue Sep 12 08:26:07 PDT 1995
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From: Isac Burstein 
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sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson ) wrote:


[stuff about how much he likes Jews gone...]
> I'm a "political correctness"-hater.
> Here's another question for you: Are YOU a German-hater? A
>"pagan"-hater?
>-- 

You are not a "political correctness-hater". You were making reference 
to the "Male God" in some of your other postings. That is a term that 
extreme-left (i.e., politically correct) feminists use. So you are 
politically correct. Furthermore, groups in the fringe (left and right 
or politically correct or incorrect or whatever) have one thing in 
common: both dislike Jews. I think you are a "politically correct" 
anti-semite. Yes, that strange beast exists!

As for "pagan-hatred" give me examples of what do you mean?\

And as for "German-hatred": Talking about the Holocaust is not 
victimizing the Germans. It just shows that if an advanced culture like 
the German culture can go nuts... anything, anywhere, could happen... 

If you do not believe me, this is a list of the top of my head in the 
last 20-30 years:
-Biafra 
-Cambodia
-Rwanda 
-China's Cultural Revolution
-Former Yugoslavia 

  
																																					Isac Burstein




From sma4@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 13 20:40:37 PDT 1995
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In <42ur4b$rv1@sonnet1.sonnet.com>  writes: 
>
>Randy Weaver and family were killed by the modern day brown shirt and 
>that is that. Beware of ultimate power for ultimate power corrupts.
Keep 
>your guns and keep your rights. After all DiFi the pistol packing
momma 
>has a concealed carry permit and shes not giving hers up. Of course I 
>don;t want her to for we all should have the same. NCCP National 
>Concealed Carry Police of America.
>
>"Free men own guns, slaves don't"
>
> home page ( constantly under construction)
>         
> http://www.moa.com/nvrpc/index.html
>
>"It's not about guns, it's about freedom"
>
>

 I TOTALLY agree.
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 13 20:40:38 PDT 1995
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In <431rl5$pqi@pandora.sdsu.edu> hooten@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (that "hooten"
guy) writes: 
>
>Steven Malcolm Anderson (sma4@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>:  If any child sees anything I post here in alt.evil or anywhere else
--
>: that's too f---ing bad for them.
>:  (I myself don't have any children, and if I did by chance, I would
see
>: to it that they were aborted.)
>:  I will read and post whatsoever I damn please -- and no scared-ass
>: parents or f---ing scumbags in government are going to stop me.
>:  Heil Evil!! 
>
>Hey Mr. Evil f*ckhead, grow a brain, eh?  Are you just trying to
>stir up trouble and frighten naive parents?  You're not even
>*GOOD* at trolling.  Besides, you're probably a scared little
>man, trying to be a big scary man, when in actuality you are
>about as dangerous as a butter knife.  "Heil Evil".  Sheesh.
>dork.  I agree, though, for anyone that has to read your
>pathetic posts, it really *is* too bad for them.
>
>-- Your friend.

 Dear friend: This was posted in alt.evil. If you don't like evil,
O.K., but, then, what are you doing in THIS ng?
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 17 12:36:23 PDT 1995
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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 As I have stated before, I refuse to censor any part of myself -- or
to allow any part of myself to be censored by rationalists.
 Rationalism is censorship of the self.

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In  Della Noche
 writes: 
>
>On 11 Sep 1995, John Alway wrote:
>
>> 
>> Della Noche  wrote:
>> >On 9 Sep 1995, William December Starr wrote:
>>  
>> >> Religion is about making stuff up out of thin air, and then
pretending
>> >> that it's true.  It is the pretending, the wilful indulgence in
fantasy
>> >> without acknowledging it as such, that displaces or obviates
reason.
>> 
>>     A big ten four...
>> 
>> >Wait till She talks to *you*!
>> 
>> >Della Noche
>> 
>>      Who's she?
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>>  
___________________________________________________________________ 
>>   \_The most formidable weapon against errors of any kind is
Reason._\ 
>>   /_I have never used any other, and I trust I never
shall.__________/ 
>>   \_____________________________________________________Thomas
Paine_\
>>   /__John Alway
jalway@icsi.net______________________________________/
>> 
>> 
>
>Well, actually there are several although some New Agers like to lump
them 
>all together as The Goddess.
>
>The one who spoke to me was Ix Chel, Mayan moon goddess.
>
>Pretty amazing experience!  Took me a while to believe the voice
wasn't 
>coming from a physical source.  Or let's say human, anyway.
>
>She had a lot of very interesting and very sensible things to say.
>
>That'll make a believer out of you!
>
>Della Noche
>dnoche@wco.com

 Thank you for that, Della! Gods and Goddesses _are_ real.
-- 
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"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 17 18:39:02 PDT 1995
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 Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. All cats are secretly crypto-Nazi anti-semites
out to get you, since every other human is, and since cats were held
sacred by the ancient Egyptians, whom so many of you hate because they
had the temerity to worship both Gods and Goddesses instead of the One
Male God of Moses.
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In article <43b4pi$ecb@stellar.comnet.com>,
ben@utw.com (ben@utw.com) said:

> The rape of children and the degradation of women was not what our
> founding fathers had in mind when they wrote the words "freedom of
> speech".  Anyone who thinks they were referring to pornography needs
a
> serous reality check!  They would not have tolerated on-line smut for
> a minute!

 1. Women are not to be equated with children and pornography/sexuality
does not in any way degrade women. That is pure b.s..
 2. The idea that the First Amendment protects only political (variant:
only "politically correct") speech and not sexual speech is on the same
level as the idea that the Second Amendment protects only a
governmental right and not an individual right to keep and bear arms.
That too is pure b.s..
-- 
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"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <43ibpb$nnd@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> markm@ucsfresno.edu (Mark Metzler)
writes: 
>
 (neo-Freudian male-centered anti-gun nonsense deleted)

 I've already addressed and refuted all this b.s. in my post "The
HandGun is a Clitoral Symbol". Maybe I should post it again.
-- 
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"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <43r1ej$e3n@pentagon.io.com> wolfone@io.com (no one of consequence)
writes: 
>
>Mark Metzler  wrote:
>]
>]: Perhaps this nation's founders should be ridiculed for their
>]: devotion to "phallus" wielding. 
>]
>]: Get real.
>]
>]
>]     With all due respect......yes, on the surface level these seem
to
>]be good rationalizations for owning guns.  But what about the deeper
>]causes?
>
>How are you qualified to make them?
>
>]     The NRA appears to be a support group for those who feel
inadequate
>]about the size of their anatomy.  So the parade around carrying big 
>]sticks.
>
>Projection. Cite the evidence that proves this.
>
>]     And the response to even the slightest suggestion of some kind
of
>]gun control seems to set off an inordinate level of castration
anxiety.
>]Its very ,much as those these fellows felt that someone was about to
>]excise their weenies.
>
>Again, projection. Amateur idiots who slept through Psych 101 can make

>these sort of claims. 

 Totally agree. But some of the gun control advocates who spout that
kind of b.s. seem to be full-time _professional_ idiots.

>
>-- 
>|Patrick Chester (aka: claypigeon, Sinapus. Yeah, I
moved)wolfone@io.com|
>|Member Lovely Angels Fan Club/Fire Support Team/Cleanup Crew         
 |
>|"Weep for the future, Na'Toth. Weep for us all..." G'Kar,
"Revelations"|
>|Wittier remarks always come to mind just after sending your
article....|

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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In  timsd@world.std.com writes: 
>
>
>sranta@macwest.org (Steve Ranta) writes:
>> (Peter Zohrab) wrote:
>> > If someone would pay me, I could easily spend my entire waking
hours
>> > cataloguing instances of left-wing bias in the media.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> You don't have to do that!  We constantly hear the charge that the
media
>> is biased towards the left.
>>
>> This can be proved wrong quite easily by turning on almost any
current
>> events T.V. show and counting the Republicans or right-wing
Democrats who
>> are regular guests or "experts".  They far outnumber the occasional
guests
>> who are even liberal, let alone leftist.
>
>Wrong, that only establishes the existence of another bias too. I like
>to say the the real media bias is not left or right, but towards
>simplistic knee-jerk issues.

 Quite true.

>
>For my money, anyone who does not think the media are biased towards
>women's issues should return their brain for a refund.

 If by "women's issues" you mean "politically correct victim/slave
feminism" I totally agree.

>
>        Tim
>
>--
>Every .0000054 seconds a Feminist tells a lie.
>

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <44ft6v$9hb@globe.indirect.com> dhardy@indirect.com (David T. Hardy)
writes: 
>
>In article <43t8qu$kc8@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>
>faxio@ix.netcom.com (Shea F. Kenny) writes:
>
>> sieferme@u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) wrote:
>> 
>> }In article <43rgdi$j6l@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>,
>> }Shea F. Kenny  wrote:
>> }>sieferme@u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) wrote:
>> }>
>> }>}I am the captain of my soul.
>
>Lucky cuss! Best I ever got was corporal. But I did put that worthless
>S.O.B. on KP, at least.
> 
>> }>This clearly has religious overtones.
>> 
>> }I can see why you're confused.  The statement has POETIC overtones,
and 
>> }most religion is bad poetry taken much too seriously.
>
>You mean there are those who worship e.e. cummings and Rod McKuen?
>Verily, I must worship at their side now that my savior David Koresh
>has left us.
>> 
>> }>Are you insane ?
>> 
>> }The longer I have discussions with you, the more I ask myself just
this 
>> }question.
>> 
>>      I'm glad to hear we are making progress.  Keep going.  Sanity
is
>> just around the bend.
>
>For his sake, I hope not. In 90% of the cases where it strikes, sanity
>is nothing but an excuse for a lack of imagination.

 Quite so.

>> 
>> }>What could you be thinking about ?
>> 
>> }At the moment, lunch.
>> 
>> }>You have cognitive matter, developed to that of moral conduct
>> }>and rational thought.  You are a human being Eric, be proud.
>> 
>> }I am.  In fact, I constantly taunt my dog with my opposable thumb.
>> 
>>      Good.  You can't be around people that make you feel like a
loser
>> all the time.  We all need to feel superior, from time to time. 
It's
>> good for self esteem.
>
>Which is why my ego has never recovered from seeing a horny elephant.
>
>> }>You have been chosen by destiny.
>> 
>> }I'm sure that destiny has better things to worry about.
>
>The same was said by George III, George Armstrong Custer, and Charles
>Manson. Cheer up. We may all have a chance at being the greatest
>disaster of our lifetimes.
>
>      You've got me there Eric.  But you're thinking on your own.  A
>> good sign.
>
>A terrible sign. There was a chap who thought on his own, and
>charitably gave his insights to others. His name was Socrates. They
>poisoned him.
> 
>> }>After all, you didn't get vacuumed out of the womb, now did you ?
>> 
>> }No, I emerged in the old-fashioned way: slowly and painfully.
>> 
>>     It sounds dreadful.   Was your mother in a car accident ?  How
>> long did you lie on the side of the road, until the et's came ?
>
>For experience: take a hot tub. Then get ten of your strongest friends
>to ram you through the vent window on a Volkswagen, head-first, plunge
>you into an ice-bath and then (if you are male) take a knife to your
>crank. OK, that's your first ten minutes in this world. Now try to be
>anything cynical about the remaining 70+ years, assuming cancer, car
>wrecks, crime, or something else doesn't nail you before then. 

-- 
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"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia

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