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From: "Philip Mathews" 
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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
news:catamont-2902000739570001@ts009d15.den-co.concentric.net...
> In article , "Prgoff"
>  wrote:
>
> >SARA SALZMAN HAS BEEN SPAMMING SEVERAL INTERNET COMPANIES.
> >
> >PLEASE DO YOUR PART IN STOPPING SPAM.
> >
> >SEND HER A REQUEST TO PLEASE STOP.
> >
> >


SARA SALZMAN
4015 S. KILLARNEY WAY
AURORA, CO 80013

PH# 303-617-9412


> >
> >
> >THANK YOU
>
> forwarded to abuse@SEARK.NET, abuse@bcandid.com, abuse@innocent.com,
> abuse@Mail.com, spamcomplaints@cw.net, yawen@enter.net
>
> --
> In article <85ir3802i9m@news2.newsguy.com>, doc_tavish@NOSPAMmy-deja.com
wrote:
>
> Calling me a "nazi-boy" is as much of defamation as you can make.
> As for FACTS- I have what I need. You can count on it "Fatbroad".
>
>




From postmaster@thundernet.org Wed Mar  1 14:39:19 EST 2000
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From: "Philip Mathews" 
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"Herman ten Klooster"  wrote in message
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> An anonymous asshole using the nym Prgoff wrote:
> >
> > SARA SALZMAN HAS BEEN SPAMMING SEVERAL INTERNET COMPANIES.
> >
> > PLEASE DO YOUR PART IN STOPPING SPAM.
> >
> > SEND HER A REQUEST TO PLEASE STOP.
> >
> > SARA SALZMAN
>
SARA SALZMAN
4015 S. KILLARNEY WAY
AURORA, CO 80013

PH# 303-617-9412


>
> Why don't you do everybody a favour and drop dead quickly?
> How about now?
> Please?
>
> --
>                                         \\|//
>                                         (o o)
>         /===========================oOOo=(_)=oOOo=================\
>         |                                                         |
>         |   Reality is only for those who lack imagination        |
>         |                           .oooO                         |
>         |                           (   ) Oooo.                   |
>         \============================\ (==(   )===================/
>                                       \_)  ) /
>                                           (_/




From postmaster@thundernet.org Wed Mar  1 14:39:19 EST 2000
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"David S. Maddison"  wrote in message
news:38bc5632@news.internex.net.au...
>
> Prgoff  wrote:
> : SARA SALZMAN HAS BEEN SPAMMING SEVERAL INTERNET COMPANIES.
>
> : PLEASE DO YOUR PART IN STOPPING SPAM.
>
> : SEND HER A REQUEST TO PLEASE STOP.
>
>
> [..]
>
SARA SALZMAN
4015 S. KILLARNEY WAY
AURORA, CO 80013

PH# 303-617-9412


>
> Is this an example of "Aryan" honour - posting a woman's private address
> details?
>
> And you do realise that inviting harrassment of someone as you have done
> is against the law, don't you?
>
> Now why don't you prove your manhood by posting YOUR address and phone
> number?
>
> Or aren't you man enough (like most losers)?
>
>
> David Maddison
>
>




From postmaster@thundernet.org Wed Mar  1 14:39:19 EST 2000
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From: "Philip Mathews" 
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"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
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> In , on Tue, 29 Feb 2000
> 12:43:12 GMT, Orac  wrote:
>
> > In article <38BB5F0B.C7B378AA@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >Doc Tavish wrote:
> > >
> > >> "David E Michael"  wrote in message
> > >> news:38BABD69.2BAAE20D@btinternet.com...
> >
> > >> > What's a syncophant? Any relation to an elephant?
> > >> >
> > >> > David
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> IT'S AN ANIMAL THAT SARA SALZMAN HAS SEX WITH.
> > >
> > >Rotfl!
> > >
> > >David
> >
> > David's descent to the bottom continues, I see, given that he is now
laughing at
> > Don Ellis's sick jokes.
>
> It's pretty obvious that the two pieces of pondscum have cooked this up
> together.
>
> --
> Gord McFee
> I'll write no line before its time
>
> Visit the Holocaust History Project
> http://www.holocaust-history.org
>
> Visit the Nizkor site
> http://www.nizkor.org
SARA SALZMAN
4015 S. KILLARNEY WAY
AURORA, CO 80013

PH# 303-617-9412







From postmaster@thundernet.org Wed Mar  1 14:39:20 EST 2000
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From: "Philip Mathews" 
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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
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> In article <89h7ql019ru@news1.newsguy.com>, doc_tavish@NOSPAMmy-deja.com
wrote:
>
> >On 27-Feb-2000, catamont@concentric.net (Sara Salzman) wrote:
> >
> >> In article ,
> >> doc_tavish@NOSPAMmy-deja.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Welcome back, Mr. Bradbury.
> >
> >I'm not officially back. I'm home from having a batch of tests run.
> >
> >> Can you say "Bench Warrant?"
> >
> >Please do tell all from what source you obtained this information!
> >I know almost to a "fact" that you did not come up with this on your
> >own. Does unethical and unprofessional mean anything to you?
> >They do to an investigatory board!
> >
> >                                Doc Tavish
> >
>
> Oh yawn, Doc. I asked an attorney AFTER THE FACT what happened in Court. I
> was told you never showed up.
>
> There is absoluely nothing unethical about that, except in your own
> diseased mind.
>
> Sara
> SARA SALZMAN
4015 S. KILLARNEY WAY
AURORA, CO 80013

PH# 303-617-9412



> --
> In article <85ir3802i9m@news2.newsguy.com>, doc_tavish@NOSPAMmy-deja.com
wrote:
>
> Calling me a "nazi-boy" is as much of defamation as you can make.
> As for FACTS- I have what I need. You can count on it "Fatbroad".
>
>




From postmaster@thundernet.org Wed Mar  1 14:39:20 EST 2000
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From: "Philip Mathews" 
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"Orac"  wrote in message
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> In article <3_%u4.80889$ox5.21665159@tw11.nn.bcandid.com>, "Philip
> Mathews"  wrote:
>
> >"Derek Bell"  wrote in message
> >news:89h4he$mso$1@walton.maths.tcd.ie...
>
> >> Sara makes a point and Ellis provides more proof. Not only that, he's
> >> giving the impression that he calls friends and aquaintances
"cocksucker"
> >> and "Fat Ass" - well, that's the conclusion if he has no enemies.
> >>
> >> Derek
> >
> >
> >HEY FAG BOY, I HAVE NO ENEMIES
>
> LOL! Are you then saying that all those people you're calling
> "cocksucker," "fat ass," and "fag boy" are your friends?
>
> --
> Orac

YES




From postmaster@thundernet.org Wed Mar  1 14:39:21 EST 2000
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"William Daffer"  wrote in message
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> David E Michael  writes:
>
>   
>
>   [stalker]
>
> William
> - --
>
> In <38B0AB6E.488F966E@btinternet.com> David E Michael said:
> However, I would strongly recommend you retain your anonymity for two
reasons.
> [...] Anti-revisionists will try to get you divulge your personal details
to
> them. Don't trust them one inch.
>
> However, In <38B24FE1.329077BF@btinternet.com> on Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000
> 08:59:13 +0000 David Michael posted:
>
> Now I wonder what your academic supervisor, [CONTACT INFORMATION FOR A
> NON A.R PARTICIPANT THIRD PARTY] would say if he knew that you were
> using university facilities to post material that was (a) abusive and
> (b) defamatory . . .
>
> It seems Mr. Michael thinks only he and others like him deserve this
> freedom from harrassment. When it suits his purpose, he's perfectly
> willing to attempt to intimidate others by posting personal
> information.
>


WHY NOT?




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"Doc Tavish"  wrote in message
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>
> On 29-Feb-2000, catamont@concentric.net (Sara Salzman) wrote:
>
> > In article <89h7j3019ll@news1.newsguy.com>, doc_tavish@NOSPAMmy-deja.com
wrote:
>
> > >Ah but now we see a prime example of the old double standard.
>
> > Not at all. I never e-mailed threats to you, I never MADE threats to
you.
> > My public post in Usenet was in no way a threat. It was a sincere
> > invitation.  Certainly not on par with your "loaded Desert Eagle"
> > posturings.
>
> > >>You, on the other hand, E-MAILED threats to persons in Pennsylvania.
>
> Is this you making a slip that Nazihunter is actually in Pennsylvania?
Nazihunter
> afterall was the ONLY person that I made the Desert Eagle reference to!
Strange
> how "Nazihunter" got my address and posted it with an invitation for
people to visit
> me with baseball bats. Enlighteneing is knowing who got my personal info
in
> the first place and how it was distributed. Do the words wreckless
endangerment
> with malice, unethical, and unprofessional ring a bell with you? They do
to a review
> board that is in the process of an ongoing investigation.
>
> BTW please tell me the date that I allegedly e-mailed threats to anyone in
> Pennsylvania. I don't recall e-mailing anyone in Pennsylvania for almost
three years!
>
> > >You posted a threat of violence to USENET when you said your husband
will
> > >kick my ass anytime! Care to deny this?
>
> > As I said, it was not a threat. It was a simple invitation.
>
> Now what I say is not a threat and is a simple invitation-- please do the
world a favour
> and get the rest of your fellows and visit Masada. Before your trip get
Reverend Jim Jones'
> recipe for making Kool-Aid and make up a big batch for your consumption
once there
> and let history repeat itself. IOW DROP DEAD.
>
> Doc Tavish
>

DOC, I BELIEVE THE BITCH HAS THE HOTS FOR YOU.




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"Ed Kadach"  wrote in message
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> Philip Mathews wrote:
> >
> > "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
> > news:89hgt2$1orm$1@news.tht.net...
> > >
> > > I may have had a nationalist movement last night... it was probably
> > > the stewed prunes...
> > >
> > > --
> >
> > RIGHT AFTER ED FUCKED YOU UP THE ASS
>
>
> Either you're some Nizkook fella (I doubt that though)
> trying to get me riled up or you're the most pathetic,
> degenerate person(?) Ellis, I've ever run across.
> I thought Rosenberg took the cake but you're closing
> in on him fast.
>
> Ed Kadach


YOU'RE THE ONE IN BED WITH MCVAY'S NIZKOR. RIGHT ALONG WITH COCKSUCKERS LIKE
MORRIS, FAT BITCH SARA AND OTHER NET TRASH.




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"David E Michael"  wrote in message
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>
>
> Ed Kadach wrote:
>
> > Philip Mathews wrote:
> > >
> > > "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
> > > news:89hgt2$1orm$1@news.tht.net...
> > > >
> > > > I may have had a nationalist movement last night... it was probably
> > > > the stewed prunes...
> > > >
> > > > --
> > >
> > > RIGHT AFTER ED FUCKED YOU UP THE ASS
> >
> > Either you're some Nizkook fella (I doubt that though)
> > trying to get me riled up or you're the most pathetic,
> > degenerate person(?) Ellis, I've ever run across.
> > I thought Rosenberg took the cake but you're closing
> > in on him fast.
> >
> > Ed Kadach
>
> No, slimey Eddie. You are pathetic. You are worse than any Nizkook. You
are
> a traitor.
>
> David
>
>
THE COCKSUCKER WOULD SELL OUT HIS OWN MOTHER




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"Ed Kadach"  wrote in message
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> Philip Mathews wrote:
> >
> > "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
> > news:89hgt2$1orm$1@news.tht.net...
> > >
> > > I may have had a nationalist movement last night... it was probably
> > > the stewed prunes...
> > >
> > > --
> >
> > RIGHT AFTER ED FUCKED YOU UP THE ASS
>
>
> You've been referred to as a coprophile, it's
> a word that fits you to a T.

YOU SHOULD CHANGE YOUR NAME TO COCKSUCKER




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"Ed Kadach"  wrote in message
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> Philip Mathews wrote:
> >
> > "David E Michael"  wrote in message
> > news:38BBE390.932AD34D@btinternet.com...
> > >
> > > Hmmm. Ed and Kadach are two people?
> > >
> > > Anyway, I agree that Kadach's behaviour is about as low as you can
get.
> > Nobody in
> > > the nationalist movement will ever trust this filthy creature again.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ED LIKE BEING MCVAY'S WHIPPING BOY
>
>
> Listen up Ellis, I've tried my best to keep my mouth
> shut concerning you because I have no time to waste
> on scum like you but keep it up and the shit on your
> webpage will hit the fan.


BRING IT ON YOU STUPID SHIT EATING ASSHOLE




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"David Christian"  wrote in message
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> On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:49:45 -0700 c.e., Ed Kadach 
> wrote :
> >Philip Mathews wrote:
> >>
> >> "David E Michael"  wrote in message
> >> news:38BBE390.932AD34D@btinternet.com...
> >> >
> >> > Hmmm. Ed and Kadach are two people?
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, I agree that Kadach's behaviour is about as low as you can
get.
> >> Nobody in
> >> > the nationalist movement will ever trust this filthy creature again.
> >> >
> >> > David
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> ED LIKE BEING MCVAY'S WHIPPING BOY
> >
> >
> >Listen up Ellis, I've tried my best to keep my mouth
> >shut concerning you because I have no time to waste
> >on scum like you but keep it up and the shit on your
> >webpage will hit the fan.
>
> Mr. Kadach, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're Christian Identity,
> correct?
>
>

NOPE, HE IS MCVAY'S WHIPPING BOY




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"David E Michael"  wrote in message
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>
>
> David Christian wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:49:45 -0700 c.e., Ed Kadach

> > wrote :
> > >Philip Mathews wrote:
> > >>
> > >> "David E Michael"  wrote in message
> > >> news:38BBE390.932AD34D@btinternet.com...
> > >> >
> > >> > Hmmm. Ed and Kadach are two people?
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyway, I agree that Kadach's behaviour is about as low as you can
get.
> > >> Nobody in
> > >> > the nationalist movement will ever trust this filthy creature
again.
> > >> >
> > >> > David
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> ED LIKE BEING MCVAY'S WHIPPING BOY
> > >
> > >
> > >Listen up Ellis, I've tried my best to keep my mouth
> > >shut concerning you because I have no time to waste
> > >on scum like you but keep it up and the shit on your
> > >webpage will hit the fan.
> >
> > Mr. Kadach, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're Christian Identity,
> > correct?
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Free thought, neccessarily involving freedom of
> > speech and press, I may tersely define thus:no
> > opinion a law-no opinion a crime.
> >           Alexander Berkman
>
> Nope, he's Nizkor.
>
> David
>

THAT MAKES ED A FREAK OF NATURE...A GOD DAMN PERVERT




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"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
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> In <38BA631C.65047964@btinternet.com>, on Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:59:24
> +0000, David E Michael  wrote:
>
> > John Morris wrote:
> >
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > >
> > > In <38BA5254.B10BA8B5@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Mon, 28
> > > Feb 2000 10:47:49 +0000, David E Michael
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > >John Morris wrote:
> > >
> > > >> In <38BA4F01.A687FBEC@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Mon,
> > > >> 28 Feb 2000 10:33:37 +0000, David E Michael
> > > >>  wrote:
> > >
> > > >> >Buck Turgidson wrote:
> > >
> > > >> >> David E Michael wrote:
> > >
> > > >> [snip]
> > >
> > > >> >> > Perhaps we should ask what sort of deranged f*** you are,
> > > >> >> > Murphy. Look at your posting record:
> > >
> > > >> >> Michael, you diseased maniac, you can list every single post I
> > > >> >> have ever made in my entire life and you will not find one
> > > >> >> wherein I posted someone's home address and telephone number
> > > >> >> for public purview.
> > >
> > > >> >> Your unsurprising lack of condemnation for the posting of Sara
> > > >> >> Salzman's personal info just shows what a loathsome creature
> > > >> >> you have become.
> > >
> > > >> >More moral lecturing from the man who has been caught telling
> > > >> >lies.
> > >
> > > >> More empty mouthings from a man who supports posting home phone
> > > >> numbers in Usenet.
> > >
> > > >So tell us, Mr Morris, if you can leave your pigs alone for a few
> > > >seconds,
> > >
> > > I'll never leave you guys alone, David.
> > >
> > > >do you condemn Mr Murphy's lies? Yes or no?
> > >
> > > >And do you condemn Michael Ragland's attitude to children? Yes or
> > > >no?
> > >
> > > I condemn bullies like you and Don Ellis and Nazihunter who post home
> > > telephone numbers to Usenet.
> >
> > But no condemnation for the lies of Mr Murphy and the paedophile
behaviour
> > of Mr Ragland?
>
> I hope you get your ass sued off for your behaviour.  I will enjoy every
> second of it.
>
> --
> Gord McFee
> I'll write no line before its time
>


THREATS OF LAWSUITS IS ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS CAN TALK ABOUT...CHICKEN SHIT




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"Orac"  wrote in message
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> In article , Gord McFee
>  wrote:
>
> >In <38BA5254.B10BA8B5@btinternet.com>, on Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:47:49
> >+0000, David E Michael  wrote:
> >
> >> John Morris wrote:
> >>
> >> > In <38BA4F01.A687FBEC@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Mon, 28
> >> > Feb 2000 10:33:37 +0000, David E Michael
> >> >  wrote:
>
> >> > >More moral lecturing from the man who has been caught telling lies.
> >> >
> >> > More empty mouthings from a man who supports posting home phone
> >> > numbers in Usenet.
> >>
> >> So tell us, Mr Morris, if you can leave your pigs alone for a few
> >> seconds, do you condemn Mr Murphy's lies? Yes or no?
> >
> >Nothing anyone has done here in any way approaches your descent to the
> >bottom of the pond, Michael.  You are a disgusting, loathsome pig.  And
> >you will get your just desserts; count on it.
> >
> >You are now on a level with Nazihunter and Don Ellis.  I am sure you are
> >proud, since filth seeks its depth.
>
> What surprises me is that David seems so utterly unconcerned that even
> people normally predisposed to sympathize with him (such as Kadach) now
> utter his name in the same breath as Nazihunter and Ellis and consider
> him to be every bit as low as Nazihunter and Ellis. When I first
> encountered him under the 'nym "Cuddles," I never would have guessed him
> capable of sinking so low. Either he's changed over the last year and a
> half or it's simply taken him that long to finally unmask his true
> personality.
>
> --
> Orac


SCUM LIKE YOURSELF CALLING OTHER PEOPLE LOW IS VERY FUNNY




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"Charlie Chester"  wrote in message
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>
>
> Orac wrote:
>
> > In article , Gord McFee
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >In <38BA5254.B10BA8B5@btinternet.com>, on Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:47:49
> > >+0000, David E Michael  wrote:
> > >
> > >> John Morris wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > In <38BA4F01.A687FBEC@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Mon,
28
> > >> > Feb 2000 10:33:37 +0000, David E Michael
> > >> >  wrote:
> >
> > >> > >More moral lecturing from the man who has been caught telling
lies.
> > >> >
> > >> > More empty mouthings from a man who supports posting home phone
> > >> > numbers in Usenet.
> > >>
> > >> So tell us, Mr Morris, if you can leave your pigs alone for a few
> > >> seconds, do you condemn Mr Murphy's lies? Yes or no?
> > >
> > >Nothing anyone has done here in any way approaches your descent to the
> > >bottom of the pond, Michael.  You are a disgusting, loathsome pig.  And
> > >you will get your just desserts; count on it.
> > >
> > >You are now on a level with Nazihunter and Don Ellis.  I am sure you
are
> > >proud, since filth seeks its depth.
> >
> > What surprises me is that David seems so utterly unconcerned that even
> > people normally predisposed to sympathize with him (such as Kadach) now
> > utter his name in the same breath as Nazihunter and Ellis and consider
> > him to be every bit as low as Nazihunter and Ellis. When I first
> > encountered him under the 'nym "Cuddles," I never would have guessed him
> > capable of sinking so low. Either he's changed over the last year and a
> > half or it's simply taken him that long to finally unmask his true
> > personality.
> >
>
> Perhaps Dave's unravelling because his er..."marriage" is under strain.
The
> missus can't be too chuffed with the constant brush offs like, "Not
tonight
> darling I'm cyber stalking." or, "Not now dear, I'm getting chummy with a
> coprophiliac." Perhaps she's now refusing to make him any of those
wonderful
> cottage pies.
> On a more serious note, Davie-boy's current derangement probably owes a
lot
> to the fact that Dep, Hilary Ostrov & others refuse to be intimidated by
his
> bullying. Becuase they've stood their ground & not been silenced as he'd
> like, he can't step back from his stalking to take a breather. He's stuck
in
> the loop & is forced to keep ratcheting up his vituperation.
> btw it's interesting to note that he's now talking about the "enemies of
> white people" & "traitors." Clearly, you can take the boy out of the
> "movement" but you can't take the "movement" out of the boy.
>
> Charlie Chester
> Manchester - England
> g.chester@csu.ac.uk
>

BROUGHT TO YOU BY CHESTER THE CHILD MOLESTER




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"John Morris"  wrote in message
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> In <38BCDF15.DB474BEC@csu.ac.uk> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 01 Mar
> 2000 09:12:54 +0000, Charlie Chester  wrote:
>
> >Orac wrote:
>
> >> In article , Gord
> >> McFee  wrote:
>
> >> >In <38BA5254.B10BA8B5@btinternet.com>, on Mon, 28 Feb 2000
> >> >10:47:49 +0000, David E Michael 
> >> >wrote:
>
> >> >> John Morris wrote:
>
> >> >> > In <38BA4F01.A687FBEC@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on
> >> >> > Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:33:37 +0000, David E Michael
> >> >> >  wrote:
>
> >> >> > >More moral lecturing from the man who has been caught
> >> >> > >telling lies.
>
> >> >> > More empty mouthings from a man who supports posting home
> >> >> > phone numbers in Usenet.
>
> >> >> So tell us, Mr Morris, if you can leave your pigs alone for a
> >> >> few seconds, do you condemn Mr Murphy's lies? Yes or no?
>
> >> >Nothing anyone has done here in any way approaches your descent
> >> >to the bottom of the pond, Michael.  You are a disgusting,
> >> >loathsome pig.  And you will get your just desserts; count on it.
>
> >> >You are now on a level with Nazihunter and Don Ellis.  I am sure
> >> >you are proud, since filth seeks its depth.
>
> >> What surprises me is that David seems so utterly unconcerned that
> >> even people normally predisposed to sympathize with him (such as
> >> Kadach) now utter his name in the same breath as Nazihunter and
> >> Ellis and consider him to be every bit as low as Nazihunter and
> >> Ellis. When I first encountered him under the 'nym "Cuddles," I
> >> never would have guessed him capable of sinking so low. Either
> >> he's changed over the last year and a half or it's simply taken
> >> him that long to finally unmask his true personality.
>
> >Perhaps Dave's unravelling because his er..."marriage" is under
> >strain. The missus can't be too chuffed with the constant brush offs
> >like, "Not tonight darling I'm cyber stalking." or, "Not now dear,
> >I'm getting chummy with a coprophiliac." Perhaps she's now refusing
> >to make him any of those wonderful cottage pies.
>
> Or "You want me to do what?!  Did I marry a pervert?"
>
> >On a more serious note, Davie-boy's current derangement probably
> >owes a lot to the fact that Dep, Hilary Ostrov & others refuse to be
> >intimidated by his bullying. Becuase they've stood their ground &
> >not been silenced as he'd like, he can't step back from his stalking
> >to take a breather. He's stuck in the loop & is forced to keep
> >ratcheting up his vituperation.
> >btw it's interesting to note that he's now talking about the
> >"enemies of white people" & "traitors."
>
> And who is he naming as these enemies?  Those among his fellow
> Revisionists and racists who realize that this just a newsgroup and
> that there are limits.
>
> > Clearly, you can take the boy out of the
> >"movement" but you can't take the "movement" out of the boy.
>
> He's rapidly become a movement of one.  Supreme Leader of the David
> Michael Party.
>
> - --
>  John Morris


THE CRY BABY SPEAKS OUT




From postmaster@thundernet.org Wed Mar  1 14:39:30 EST 2000
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"Jackie Cappiello"  wrote in message
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> Sorry, Dr. Gorski, but Cuddles had revealed his true nature when he
> urged the killing of Chuck Ferree, who had done nothing more than reveal
> he was a fighter pilot and had seen entered the concentration camps,

SURE HE DID


> bringing to them some of the Allied army commanders.

WHO MIGHT THAT BE?

  Since my uncle --
> a well-known journalist of his day


NEVER HEARD OF THE FAG

 -- also reported seeing similar
> sights to those that so affected Chuck, I have no reason to doubt
> Chuck;s memories.

THE RANTINGS OF A PERVERTED MIND


But the fact that Chuck was a witness to the Nazis'
> inhumanity

DO YOU BELIEVE IN UFO'S


and that he had participated in the war were enough to get
> Cuddles -- as he was then known -- to urgings of physical attacks on
> Chuck.
>
> He has long been a vicious creature and has not changed; The blackness
> of  his character has only deepened.
> Orac wrote:
> >
> > In article , Gord McFee
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >In <38BA5254.B10BA8B5@btinternet.com>, on Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:47:49
> > >+0000, David E Michael  wrote:
> > >
> > >> John Morris wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > In <38BA4F01.A687FBEC@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Mon,
28
> > >> > Feb 2000 10:33:37 +0000, David E Michael
> > >> >  wrote:
> >
> > >> > >More moral lecturing from the man who has been caught telling
lies.
> > >> >
> > >> > More empty mouthings from a man who supports posting home phone
> > >> > numbers in Usenet.
> > >>
> > >> So tell us, Mr Morris, if you can leave your pigs alone for a few
> > >> seconds, do you condemn Mr Murphy's lies? Yes or no?
> > >
> > >Nothing anyone has done here in any way approaches your descent to the
> > >bottom of the pond, Michael.  You are a disgusting, loathsome pig.  And
> > >you will get your just desserts; count on it.
> > >
> > >You are now on a level with Nazihunter and Don Ellis.  I am sure you
are
> > >proud, since filth seeks its depth.
> >
> > What surprises me is that David seems so utterly unconcerned that even
> > people normally predisposed to sympathize with him (such as Kadach) now
> > utter his name in the same breath as Nazihunter and Ellis and consider
> > him to be every bit as low as Nazihunter and Ellis. When I first
> > encountered him under the 'nym "Cuddles," I never would have guessed him
> > capable of sinking so low. Either he's changed over the last year and a
> > half or it's simply taken him that long to finally unmask his true
> > personality.
> >
> > --
> > Orac        |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."--Orac
> > a.k.a.      |
> > David Gorski|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
> >             | inconvenience me with questions?"--Orac again




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"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
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> In <38BA8A75.49576538@earthlink.net>, on Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:47:18 GMT,
> David Gehrig  wrote:
>
> > Orac wrote:
> > >
> > > In article , "ANTI-NAZI"
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > >"John Morris"  wrote in message
> > > >news:m3lkbs8t2iml38gg3fobq0vmgso3nasle2@4ax.com...
> > >
> > > >> But you won't.  You won't even try.  You'll just slap your keyboard
> > > >> until the word "cocksucker" appears.  You really are quite useless.
> > > >>
> > > >> - --
> > > >>  John Morris
> > > >I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE SHIT, YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER
> > >
> > > More like you can't "prove shit."
> >
> > No, I'd say his web site definitely proves shit.
>
> His website _is_ shit.
>
> --
> Gord McFee


IT MAKES YOU FAGS MAD




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"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
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> In <38BA3E58.9E425B22@btinternet.com>, on Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:22:33
> +0000, David E Michael  wrote:
>
> > Buck Turgidson wrote:
> >
> > > Pgroff wrote:
> > >
> > > > "steve wolk"  wrote in message
> > > > news:38B9E7D9.B78BA245@erols.com...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You can call her whatever you want.  You can even hire a PI to
learn her
> > > > > address and phone number so you can publish it on the web.  After
all,
> > > > > it seems that you are above reproach and a candidate for
sainthood - in
> > > > > your own mind.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > > NO NEED TO HIRE A PI. HERE IT IS.
> > > >
> > > > SARA SALZMAN
> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> > > >
> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXX
> > >
> > > Ellis, just what kind of deranged fuck ARE you? What in the name of
God is WRONG
> > > with you?!?!
> > >
> > > -- --Dep
> > >
> > > "Always tell the truth. It's the      "Truth is just...truth. You
can't
> > >   easiest thing to remember."        have opinions about truth."
> > >                    --David Mamet                          --Peter
Schickele
> > >
> > > Like short-haired women? Snotty comments? Penguins?
> > > http://members.aol.com/deppitybob/shlu/PAGEONE.html
> >
> > Perhaps we should ask what sort of deranged f*** you are, Murphy. Look
at your
> > posting record:
>
> Needless to say, stalker Michael would agree with stalker Ellis.
> Congratulations on your elevation to pure brute status, David.  Don't
> ever whine again if Nazihunter posts your personal information.  You
> deserve it.  You are no better than he.
>
> --
> Gord McFee


LOOK WHO IS CALLING OTHERS A STALKER...A NIZKOR STALKER




From postmaster@thundernet.org Wed Mar  1 14:39:31 EST 2000
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"John Morris"  wrote in message
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>
> [snip]
>
> It's wrong when Nazihunter does it.  It's wrong when David Michael does
> it.  It's wrong when Don Ellis does it.  It's wrong when Jeffrey Brown
> does it.
>
> Nobody wants or needs this kind of "help," Jeff.  Piss off.
>
> >Gutless Donnie's ISP has a policy against both spamming and harassment
> >(see ), but they don't seem interested
in
> >enforcing it. Maybe they just need some encouragement...
>
> It might be more appropriate for Don Ellis and seark.net to send a
> complaint to postmaster@rr.com or abuse@rr.com your originating posting
> host as opposed to deja.com, a service which you seem happy enough to
> abuse.
>
> --
>  John Morris


THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU ASSHOLE, SO MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS




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"Jackie Cappiello"  wrote in message
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> Please don't do this sort of thing.  I know that what Don did was
> disgusting enough and I'm not talking about his web site, but posting
> personal data is not excusable on this or any news group.
>

MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS, BROWN CAN POST WHATEVER HE WANTS




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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
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> In article ,
> jg_brown@deja.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>
> >In article , "Gutless
Donnie
> >Ellis" , hiding behind the forged ID "Prgoff", wrote:
> >
> >>SARA SALZMAN HAS BEEN SPAMMING SEVERAL INTERNET COMPANIES.
> >
> >Which companies, gutless worm?
> >
> >Who at those companies can confirm this conveniently unsupported
accusation?
> >
> >>PLEASE DO YOUR PART IN STOPPING SPAM.
> >
> >Maybe I can start cancelling your forged messages, Donnie. That'd be a
> >tremendous help in stopping spam, don't you think?
> >
> >JGB
>
> Jeffrey:
>
> The best way to stop Don's spam is to forward each of Don's "fake name"
> posts to the following:
>


THIS BITCH IS CLAIMING THAT I AM SPAMMING? HAHA




From postmaster@thundernet.org Wed Mar  1 14:39:32 EST 2000
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"Michael Ragland"  wrote in message
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> GO SARA!!! WHAT'S THE MATTER ELLIS? IT APPEARS YOU MIGHT BE EXPERIENCING
> A TINY BIT OF HEAT YOU CRAZY DERANGED FUCKER!!!
>
> Michael Ragland
>
>
HAHA, YOU'RE ONE FUNNY SONOFABITCH. HEAT FROM WHAT? A COLD DYKE LIKE SARA?
MY ADDRESS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION AND IT IS ALSO POSTED AT THE AMERICAN
GUARDIAN. AS FOR THE NET WHORE SPAMMING THE INTERNET COMPANIES...SHE WILL
SOON FIND OUT HOW WRONG SHE IS. TWO OF THE COMPANIES HAVE ALREADY CONTACTED
HER ISP IN REGARDS TO HER SPAMMING.


ME A DERANGED FUCKER? YOUR DAMN RIGHT I AM.


SO SARA...KEEP ON SPAMMING




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From postmaster@thundernet.org Wed Mar  1 14:39:33 EST 2000
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"David E Michael"  wrote in message
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>
>
> John Morris wrote:
>
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > In <38BCBF8A.7FE53C0C@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 01
> > Mar 2000 06:58:18 +0000, David E Michael
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >John Morris wrote:
> >
> > >> In  in
> > >> alt.revisionism, on Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:53:10 -0500, RIP
> > >>  wrote:
> >
> > >> >On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 02:27:34 GMT, John Morris
> > >> > wrote:
> >
> > >> >John Morris came out of his 'blue funk' and wrote:
> >
> > >> >>And the not very subtle hint is that if you oppose Revisionism,
> > >> >>expect to be harassed by anonymous thugs.
> >
> > >> >>I think we get it.
> >
> > >> >Hmmmm.....let's see, remember a revisionist named Sabatini or
> > >> >something like that from a couple of years ago?
> >
> > >> If you remember Sabatini, you will remember that condemnation of
> > >> Nazihunter was universal.  You will also remember how I urged him,
> > >> and any other victim, to prosecute.
> >
> > >But you won't name names. Why not?
> >
> > Because I am not an idiot.
> >
> > > I do!
> >
> > And you are an idiot.
> >
> > >> >I wonder what the nazihunter is doing now a days?
> >
> > >> I imagine that he's hoping that we'll all forget that he created
> > >> the conditions and climate for personal harassment in this
> > >> newsgroup.
> >
> > >Actually, you're wrong. You started it. He jumped in shortly after
> > >you.
> >
> > I started nothing.  I don't post home telephone numbers.  You do.
> >
> > >> >"Them thar ol' neon-Naaaasies be everywhar ya no!"
> >
> > >> What I do know is that assholes like you think it's funny only
> > >> when it isn't Revisionists on the receiving end.  It's a "thought
> > >> crime" when it's a Revisionist, but it's a big fucking joke when
> > >> it's
> > >> somebody else.  Hypocrite.
> >
> > >Of course it's the other way around. It was a great joke when you
> > >did it to me.
> >
> > I didn't do anything to you.
> >
> > > I remember Murphy and McFee and yourself and others having a right
> > >old laugh at the time. Not so funny now is it?
> >
> > It's hilarious, David E. Michael .  I
> > couldn't have made a bigger fool of you than you have done yourself
> > if I had planned it to the last detail.
> >
> > Did I actually type David E. Michael
> > ?  You want want to be known as
> > Cuddles.  My apologies David E. Michael
> > .  I shall call you Cuddles
> > henceforth since that is your wish.
> >
> > >And I have it on good authority that things are going to get even
> > >less funny very soon.
> >
> > More empty threats from an empty man.
> >
> > - --
> >  John Morris                                
> >  at University of Alberta  
> >
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> > iQA/AwUBOLzGXpQgvG272fn9EQJKZgCbBm4iCvOGBabl2WnXS8c05BF6w3IAoMcn
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>
> Another unresponsive string of abuse from Troll Morris.
>
> David
>
>
>
MAN, THAT MORRIS GUY IS WEAK




From postmaster@thundernet.org Wed Mar  1 14:39:34 EST 2000
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"RIP"  wrote in message
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> On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 03:06:49 GMT, Orac (or ahhemm...Don)
>  wrote:
>
> snipped here......
>
> >
> >>On 29 Feb 2000 11:47:33 EST, catamont@concentric.net (Sara Salzman)
> >>wrote:
> >>
> snipped here....
>
> >>>If Don Ellis isn't a coward, why is he posting as "John Morris," "Ken
> >>>Mcvay," Orac," "Sara Salzman," etc.?
> >>>
>
> Orac (or ahhemm...Don)  wrote:
> >
> >Oh, I think we get it. If you oppose racists and revisionists, you can
> >expect to be harassed anonymously by them.
> >
> >
> snipped here....
> >
> >More like proof positive that you condone anonymous harassment, as long
> >as it's done to someone whose opinions you disagree with.
>
> Very funny Don! Knock it off now! Remember you promised during our
> weekly sinister plot scheming meeting and prayer breakfast in the
> Neon-Naaasie Heinrich Himmler Memorial Bunker you would stop posting
> as 'ORAC' !
>
> At least wait until "Operation: Doktor Great White North" is complete.
>
> If you don't, I am going to tell Harold!
>
> 88 !!!
>
> RIP
>

SORRY, I CAN'T HELP MYSELF




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"John Morris"  wrote in message
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> In <8M6v4.81402$ox5.21851000@tw11.nn.bcandid.com> in alt.revisionism,
> on Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:01:24 GMT, Don Ellis, forger and all-round
> jerk,  wrote:
>
> >"John Morris"  wrote in message
> >news:vpapbs038buqsqs46h8dn7dbnhl7lm5isb@4ax.com...
>
> >> [snip]
>
> >> It's wrong when Nazihunter does it.  It's wrong when David Michael
> >> does it.  It's wrong when Don Ellis does it.  It's wrong when
> >> Jeffrey Brown does it.
>
> >> Nobody wants or needs this kind of "help," Jeff.  Piss off.
>
> >> >Gutless Donnie's ISP has a policy against both spamming and
> >> >harassment (see ), but they
> >> >don't seem interested in enforcing it. Maybe they just need some
> >> >encouragement...
>
> >> It might be more appropriate for Don Ellis and seark.net to send a
> >> complaint to postmaster@rr.com or abuse@rr.com your originating
> >> posting host as opposed to deja.com, a service which you seem
> >> happy enough to abuse.
>
> >THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU ASSHOLE, SO MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING
> >BUSINESS
>
> Fuck you.  I can post whatever I want, right?
>
> - --
>  John Morris


NO YOU CAN'T. YOU BETTER DO WHAT I TELL YOU.




From postmaster@thundernet.org Wed Mar  1 14:39:34 EST 2000
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"David E Michael"  wrote in message
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>
>
> John Morris wrote:
>
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > In <8M6v4.81402$ox5.21851000@tw11.nn.bcandid.com> in alt.revisionism,
> > on Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:01:24 GMT, Don Ellis, forger and all-round
> > jerk,  wrote:
> >
> > >"John Morris"  wrote in message
> > >news:vpapbs038buqsqs46h8dn7dbnhl7lm5isb@4ax.com...
> >
> > >> [snip]
> >
> > >> It's wrong when Nazihunter does it.  It's wrong when David Michael
> > >> does it.  It's wrong when Don Ellis does it.  It's wrong when
> > >> Jeffrey Brown does it.
> >
> > >> Nobody wants or needs this kind of "help," Jeff.  Piss off.
> >
> > >> >Gutless Donnie's ISP has a policy against both spamming and
> > >> >harassment (see ), but they
> > >> >don't seem interested in enforcing it. Maybe they just need some
> > >> >encouragement...
> >
> > >> It might be more appropriate for Don Ellis and seark.net to send a
> > >> complaint to postmaster@rr.com or abuse@rr.com your originating
> > >> posting host as opposed to deja.com, a service which you seem
> > >> happy enough to abuse.
> >
> > >THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU ASSHOLE, SO MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING
> > >BUSINESS
> >
> > Fuck you.  I can post whatever I want, right?
> >
> > - --
> >  John Morris                                
> >  at University of Alberta  
> >
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>
> Oooh! Poor widdle Mr Morris is getting cross again!
>
> David
>

THAT COCKSUCKER REALLY BELIEVES HIS OWN BULLSHIT. IT DON'T MATTER, MORRIS
WILL OBEY MY COMMANDS.




From postmaster@thundernet.org Wed Mar  1 14:39:35 EST 2000
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"Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in message
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> In article <38BCBE96.948751F4@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
>  wrote:
>
> >I've alerted deja.com and would suggest Mr Ellis does likewise. Since Mr
> >Brown's post appears to break the law, the police should also be advised.
>
> What "law" is that, Cuddles?
>
> JGB
>
>

GO BACK TO BED CHICKEN HAWK




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"Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in message
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> In article ,
> John.Morris@UAlberta.CA wrote:
>
> >In  in
> >alt.revisionism, on 29 Feb 2000 20:01:12 -0600, jg_brown@deja.com
> >(Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> >>Of course he's not man enough. Good gravy, he doesn't even have the guts
> >>to sign his own name any more.
> >
> >>Here, I'll do it for him:
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >>You're welcome, Gutless Donnie...
> >
> >>P.S. His sysop (who, unfortunately, is probably a relative -- but what
the
> >>hell, bend his ear anyway) is:
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >It's wrong when Nazihunter does it.  It's wrong when David Michael does
> >it.  It's wrong when Don Ellis does it.  It's wrong when Jeffrey Brown
> >does it.
> >
> >Nobody wants or needs this kind of "help," Jeff.  Piss off.
>
> The difference, John, is that Gutless Donnie posts this information
> himself. I'm merely repeating what he himself has made public.
>
> >>Gutless Donnie's ISP has a policy against both spamming and harassment
> >>(see ), but they don't seem interested
in
> >>enforcing it. Maybe they just need some encouragement...
> >
> >It might be more appropriate for Don Ellis and seark.net to send a
> >complaint to postmaster@rr.com or abuse@rr.com your originating posting
> >host as opposed to deja.com, a service which you seem happy enough to
> >abuse.
>
> What "abuse", John? Do explain how it is "abuse" to point out to my fellow
> Usenet users that Gutless Donnie is violating his terms of service, and
> where they can complain about this.
>
> JGB
>
>
A CHILD MOLESTER CALLING SOMEONE GUTLESS. I GUESS IT TAKES GUTS TO MOLEST
LITTLE BOYS. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT ME, THEN YOU MUST SEND
THOSE COMPLAINTS TO postmaster@thundernet.org I AM MY OWN ISP.




From postmaster@thundernet.org Thu Mar  2 04:00:50 EST 2000
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"Orac"  wrote in message
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> In article ,
> John.Morris@UAlberta.CA wrote:
>
> >In  in
> >alt.revisionism, on 29 Feb 2000 20:01:12 -0600, jg_brown@deja.com
> >(Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>
> [Snip]
>
> >>Of course he's not man enough. Good gravy, he doesn't even have the guts
> >>to sign his own name any more.
> >
> >>Here, I'll do it for him:
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >>You're welcome, Gutless Donnie...
> >
> >>P.S. His sysop (who, unfortunately, is probably a relative -- but what
the
> >>hell, bend his ear anyway) is:
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >It's wrong when Nazihunter does it.  It's wrong when David Michael does
> >it.  It's wrong when Don Ellis does it.  It's wrong when Jeffrey Brown
> >does it.
> >
> >Nobody wants or needs this kind of "help," Jeff.  Piss off.
>
> Agreed. Jeff has just added himself to the list of the low. Now I see no
> essential difference between Nazihunter, David Michaels, Don Ellis, and
Jeff
> Brown. The list is growing and I'm none too pleased to see it.
>
> --
> Orac


AND YOU BELONG TO THE LONG LIST OF NAZI COCKSUCKERS




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"Fergus McClelland"  wrote in message
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> David E Michael  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Fergus McClelland wrote:
> >
> >> catamont@concentric.net (Sara Salzman) wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <0OVt4.72897$ox5.19316609@tw11.nn.bcandid.com>, "John
Morris"
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
> >> >>news:catamont-2602000740320001@ts017d15.den-co.concentric.net...
> >> >>> In article ,Don
Ellis, a
> >> >>> slimy, cowardly piece of shit presenting to be  "John Morris"
> >> >>>  wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> [more homoerotic spam]
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> In article <85ir3802i9m@news2.newsguy.com>,
doc_tavish@NOSPAMmy-deja.com
> >> >>wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Calling me a "nazi-boy" is as much of defamation as you can make.
> >> >>> As for FACTS- I have what I need. You can count on it "Fatbroad".
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>Sara stop Stalking me.
> >> >
> >> >Ellis, stop forging.
> >> >
> >> >And while you're at it, find another newsgroups to torment. This one
isn't
> >> >interested.
> >> >
> >> >Sara
> >>
> >> Agreed.
> >
> >Aw come on . . . this guy's got a better sense of humour than the whole
bunch of
> >Nizkooks added together.
> >
> >David
>
> Shouting "Whore", "cunt" and sundry other epithets and forging posts
> in other people's names has never struck me as amusing in and of
> itself. There was a time about 4 years ago when lots of the Niz had
> forged articles posted in their names; the saving grace was that most
> of of those *were* funny.
>
> The trouble is that forged names leads to confusion; and there is
> enough of that to do with the Holocaust already.
>
>
>
LIKE I REALLY GIVE A SHIT



--
SARA SALZMAN
4015 S. KILLARNEY WAY
AURORA, CO 80013

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From postmaster@thundernet.org Thu Mar  2 04:00:51 EST 2000
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"David E Michael"  wrote in message
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>
>
> Fergus McClelland wrote:
>
> > David E Michael  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >Fergus McClelland wrote:
> > >
> > >> catamont@concentric.net (Sara Salzman) wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >In article <0OVt4.72897$ox5.19316609@tw11.nn.bcandid.com>, "John
Morris"
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
> > >> >>news:catamont-2602000740320001@ts017d15.den-co.concentric.net...
> > >> >>> In article ,Don
Ellis, a
> > >> >>> slimy, cowardly piece of shit presenting to be  "John Morris"
> > >> >>>  wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> [more homoerotic spam]
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> --
> > >> >>> In article <85ir3802i9m@news2.newsguy.com>,
doc_tavish@NOSPAMmy-deja.com
> > >> >>wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Calling me a "nazi-boy" is as much of defamation as you can make.
> > >> >>> As for FACTS- I have what I need. You can count on it "Fatbroad".
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Sara stop Stalking me.
> > >> >
> > >> >Ellis, stop forging.
> > >> >
> > >> >And while you're at it, find another newsgroups to torment. This one
isn't
> > >> >interested.
> > >> >
> > >> >Sara
> > >>
> > >> Agreed.
> > >
> > >Aw come on . . . this guy's got a better sense of humour than the whole
bunch of
> > >Nizkooks added together.
> > >
> > >David
> >
> > Shouting "Whore", "cunt" and sundry other epithets and forging posts
> > in other people's names has never struck me as amusing in and of
> > itself.
>
> Agreed, but the joke about the syncophant had me in stitches.
>
>

IT WAS FUNNY AS HELL....HAHA



> > There was a time about 4 years ago when lots of the Niz had
> > forged articles posted in their names; the saving grace was that most
> > of of those *were* funny.
> >
>
> Well I have certainly grown to appreciate Mr Ellis's sense of humour.
>
> >
> > The trouble is that forged names leads to confusion; and there is
> > enough of that to do with the Holocaust already.
> >
>
> I think it's fairly obvious who is saying what.
>
> David
>




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"Buck Turgidson"  wrote in message
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>
> Lengthy irrelevancies aside, do you think it's funny that Don Ellis posted
Sara Salzman's home
> address and telephone number? Yes or no?
>
>
> -- --Dep
>

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4015 S. KILLARNEY WAY
AURORA, CO 80013

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"steve wolk"  wrote in message
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>
>
> David E Michael wrote:
>
> > Prgoff wrote:
> >
> > > "John Morris"  wrote in message
> > > news:1ltmbs4q8de41c13b2net4hj74obuj18mm@4ax.com...
> > > >
> > > > >92% of all homosexuals ingest feces at one time or another through
> > > > >rimming, oral sex, scatting or just the desire to eat feces. The
> > > > >health risks they impose on themselves and those they come in
> > > > >contact with is life threating.
> > > >
> > > > I don't actually care.  What I find much more interesting is your
> > > > fascination with the subject and your bizarre efforts to impute that
> > > > fascination to others.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not surprised that you cut that point.  It must cause you great
> > > > anxiety to be forced to confront your own morbid fascination with
> > > > shit.
> > > >
> > > > - - --
> > > >  John Morris
> > >
> > > YOU'RE THE SICK MOTHERFUCKER THAT LOVES TO CHAT ABOUT SHIT. I BET
YOU'RE
> > > HOMOSEXUAL TOO. THE WAY YOU SLOBBER ALL OVER ED ON THIS NEWSGROUP IS
> > > DISGUSTING. MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING I NEED TO EXPOSE TO YOUR PEERS IN
MY
> > > NEXT LETTER TO THEM. LET THEM SEE THE REAL JOHN MORRIS.
> >
> > Don't forget to tell them the person to complain to about his abuse of
> > University of Alberta facilities.
> >
> > David
>
> Yes, this is just the sort of person you'd like to see get one of Prof.
Reimer's
> children on the phone.  Perhaps he'll refer the kid to his website.  What
a
> disgusting piece of scum you are, Mr. Michael.
>
> Steve
>
COULD BE PROF. REIMER IS A BETTER PARENT THAN YOU JEW COCKSUCKERS. YOU
MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE TO BLAME OTHERS FOR YOU FUCKING FAULTS...YOU WOULD LET
YOUR CHILD SIT IS A ROOM, ONLINE WITHOUT SUPERVISION....WHILE YOUR LARD ASS
IS ON THE COUCH WATCHING TV. SHITTY PARENTS BURN IN HELL




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"Buck Turgidson"  wrote in message
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> David E Michael wrote:
>
> > Ed Kadach wrote:
> >
> > > Philip Mathews wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
> > > > news:89hgt2$1orm$1@news.tht.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > I may have had a nationalist movement last night... it was
probably
> > > > > the stewed prunes...
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > >
> > > > RIGHT AFTER ED FUCKED YOU UP THE ASS
> > >
> > > You've been referred to as a coprophile, it's
> > > a word that fits you to a T.
> >
> > And you've been referred to as a treacherous scumbag who stabs white
people
> > in the back, Slimey Eddie.
>
> I guess that's the response one has to expect when one assails David
Michael's
> coprophile friends.
>
>
>
> -- --Dep
>


THE CHILD MOLESTER SPEAKS OUT




From postmaster@thundernet.org Thu Mar  2 04:00:53 EST 2000
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"Buck Turgidson"  wrote in message
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> "Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
>
> > In article <38bc5632@news.internex.net.au>, "David S. Maddison"
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >Prgoff  wrote:
> > >: SARA SALZMAN HAS BEEN SPAMMING SEVERAL INTERNET COMPANIES.
> > >
> > >: PLEASE DO YOUR PART IN STOPPING SPAM.
> > >
> > >: SEND HER A REQUEST TO PLEASE STOP.
> > >
> > >
> > >[..]
> > >
> > >[Private information deleted.]
> > >
> > >Is this an example of "Aryan" honour - posting a woman's private
address
> > >details?
> > >
> > >And you do realise that inviting harrassment of someone as you have
done
> > >is against the law, don't you?
> > >
> > >Now why don't you prove your manhood by posting YOUR address and phone
> > >number?
> > >
> > >Or aren't you man enough (like most losers)?
> >
> > Of course he's not man enough. Good gravy, he doesn't even have the guts
> > to sign his own name any more.
> >
> > Here, I'll do it for him:
>
> 
>
> Thanks a hell of a lot, Jeffrey. That puts you right on Ellis's level and
helps
> Sara a WHOLE lot. In a pig's eye, it helps. (You set us all back--all of
us on
> BOTH sides who are anxious to see this crap come to an end.)
>
> Way to go, Jeffrey.
>
> Might I suggest a public act of contrition?
>
>
>
> -- --Dep
>
SHUT THE FUCK UP FAG



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"Philip Mathews"  wrote in message
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> In >Message-id: 
>
> >jg_brown@deja.com  (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>
>
>
> >In article <38bc5632@news.internex.net.au>, "David S. Maddison"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Prgoff  wrote:
> >>: SARA SALZMAN HAS BEEN SPAMMING SEVERAL INTERNET COMPANIES.
> >>
> >>: PLEASE DO YOUR PART IN STOPPING SPAM.
> >>
> >>: SEND HER A REQUEST TO PLEASE STOP.
> >>
> >>
> >>[..]
> >>
> >>[Private information deleted.]
> >>
> >>Is this an example of "Aryan" honour - posting a woman's private address
> >>details?
> >>
> >>And you do realise that inviting harrassment of someone as you have done
> >>is against the law, don't you?
> >>
> >>Now why don't you prove your manhood by posting YOUR address and phone
> >>number?
> >>
> >>Or aren't you man enough (like most losers)?
> >
> >Of course he's not man enough. Good gravy, he doesn't even have the guts
> >to sign his own name any more.
> >
> >Here, I'll do it for him:
> >
> >  Don Ellis
> >  xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >You're welcome, Gutless Donnie...
>
> Dammit Jeff, please explain how this makes you any better than Nazihunter,
Don
> Ellis,or the little fascist David Michael!
>
> Michael clearly recognizes his utter defeat in this newsgroup, and Ellis
is
> just a sicko. But what is your excuse?
>
> This is wrong, no matter who does it. There are proper channels for
dealing
> with Ellis (Michael is a non-entity). Avail yourself of those and stop
> demonstrating the apparently growing idea that the ends justify the means.
>
> Please stop now!
>
> Philip Mathews
>

GO BEG YOUR MOTHER FOR SOME MORE PUSSY....




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"William Daffer"  wrote in message
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>
>   Nazihunter shouldn't do it, David Michael shouldn't do it, Don Ellis
>   shouldn't do it and you shouldn't do it.
>
>   Please, apologize now.
>
> William
> - --

LOOK YOU LITTLE FAGGOT COCKSUCKER....I WILL DO AS I WISH.



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"John Morris"  wrote in message
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>
> Do you become this laughably stupid as a *result* of becoming a Nazi?
>  Or is it a necessary precondition so that you *can* become a Nazi?
>
> - --
>  John Morris


DAVID A NAZI?  THAT IS FUNNY AS HELL. JOHN YOU ARE A FUCKING FREAK




From postmaster@thundernet.org Thu Mar  2 04:00:56 EST 2000
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From: "Buck Turgidson" 
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"Buck Turgidson"  wrote in message
news:38BDF1DA.8792DDFC@mindspring.com...
> David E Michael wrote:
>
> > John Morris wrote:
> >
> > > In  in
> > > alt.revisionism, on 29 Feb 2000 20:01:12 -0600, jg_brown@deja.com
> > > (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
> > >
> > > >In article <38bc5632@news.internex.net.au>, "David S. Maddison"
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >>Prgoff  wrote:
> > > >>: SARA SALZMAN HAS BEEN SPAMMING SEVERAL INTERNET COMPANIES.
> > >
> > > >>: PLEASE DO YOUR PART IN STOPPING SPAM.
> > >
> > > >>: SEND HER A REQUEST TO PLEASE STOP.
> > >
> > > >>[..]
> > >
> > > >>[Private information deleted.]
> > >
> > > >>Is this an example of "Aryan" honour - posting a woman's private
address
> > > >>details?
> > >
> > > >>And you do realise that inviting harrassment of someone as you have
done
> > > >>is against the law, don't you?
> > > >>
> > > >>Now why don't you prove your manhood by posting YOUR address and
phone
> > > >>number?
> > >
> > > >>Or aren't you man enough (like most losers)?
> > >
> > > >Of course he's not man enough. Good gravy, he doesn't even have the
guts
> > > >to sign his own name any more.
> > >
> > > >Here, I'll do it for him:
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > >You're welcome, Gutless Donnie...
> > >
> > > >P.S. His sysop (who, unfortunately, is probably a relative -- but
what the
> > > >hell, bend his ear anyway) is:
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > It's wrong when Nazihunter does it.  It's wrong when David Michael
does
> > > it.  It's wrong when Don Ellis does it.  It's wrong when Jeffrey Brown
> > > does it.
> > >
> > > Nobody wants or needs this kind of "help," Jeff.  Piss off.
> > >
> > > >Gutless Donnie's ISP has a policy against both spamming and
harassment
> > > >(see ), but they don't seem
interested in
> > > >enforcing it. Maybe they just need some encouragement...
> > >
> > > It might be more appropriate for Don Ellis and seark.net to send a
> > > complaint to postmaster@rr.com or abuse@rr.com your originating
posting
> > > host as opposed to deja.com, a service which you seem happy enough to
> > > abuse.
> > >
> > > --
> > >  John Morris                                
> > >  at University of Alberta  
> >
> > I've alerted deja.com and would suggest Mr Ellis does likewise. Since Mr
> > Brown's post appears to break the law, the police should also be
advised.
> >
> > I now await the deluge of personal abuse directed at me from Nizkooks
instead
> > of at Mr Brown.
>
> I already responded to Jeffrey Brown's post. I am highly upset that he has
decided
> to use this tactic, and feel that he was absolutely, 100% wrong to do so.

SURE YOU DO...


>
> You, on the other hand, are a hypocrite for condemning him when you
yourself had
> posted the home address and telephone number of John Morris's academic
supervisor
> for what was, ostensibly, a net-related matter using non-University
equipment. You
> have no moral or ethical foundation on which to make a complaint.


YOU HAVE NO FUCKING MORALS


>
> And please don't resort to the same spam about my alleged "dishonesty" as
a weak
> means of countering my "moral or ethical foundation" statement. It's
tired, it's
> lame, and we can see it coming a mile away.


NO ONE BELIEVES YOUR GOD DAMN LIES

>
>
>
> -- --Dep
>
> "Always tell the truth. It's the      "Truth is just...truth. You can't
>   easiest thing to remember."        have opinions about truth."
>                    --David Mamet                          --Peter
Schickele
>
> Like short-haired women? Snotty comments? Penguins?
> http://members.aol.com/deppitybob/shlu/PAGEONE.html
>




From postmaster@thundernet.org Thu Mar  2 04:00:56 EST 2000
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"David E Michael"  wrote in message
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>
>
> David Gehrig wrote:
>
> > Buck Turgidson wrote:
> > >
> > > Orac wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <38f5f9b5.604689255@newsproxy.pacificnet.net>,
trm@pacificnet.net
> > > > (tom moran) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Mroan had said:
> > > > >>>There are thousands, tens of thousands of PhD.s in the world.
With
> > > > >>>Mr.Morris' example we have an ideal example to show a PhD. can be
an
> > > > >>>idiot.
> > > > >
> > > > >Orac said:
> > > > >>Actually, Dr. Michaels is a far better example to demonstrate your
point that
> > > > >>a Ph.D. can be an idiot.
> > > > >
> > > > >Now that's an ideal example of how Orac types can blurt out
something
> > > > >without really thinking it through.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, it was nothing more than an "admission" that Dr. Morris is
a poor
> > > > example to demonstrate that Ph.D.'s can be idiots and that Dr.
Michael is a much
> > > > better example to prove that point. But, then, English was never
your strong
> > > > suit.
> > >
> > > I believe Li'l Tommy Moron's only "strong" suit is white, has a pointy
hat, and
> > > gets washed once a year whether it needs it or not.
> >
> > Which is why it smells so strong.
> >
> > @%<
>
> No, Mr G. Internet technology does not exist that conveys smell. If there
is an
> unpleasant smell coming from your vicinity I suggest you ask yourself when
you last had
> a shower.
>
> David
>


HOMOSEXUALS LOVE THE SMELL OF SHIT




From postmaster@thundernet.org Thu Mar  2 04:00:58 EST 2000
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"Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote in message
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>
> Are you denying that you said what Sara has quoted you as saying, O
Gutless One?
>
> JGB
>
>
STILL UPSET OVER LOSING YOUR BIGFOOT ACCOUNT CHICKEN HAWK?




From postmaster@thundernet.org Thu Mar  2 04:00:58 EST 2000
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"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
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> In , on Wed, 01 Mar 2000
> 10:42:00 GMT, "Ed Kadach"  wrote:
>
> [Donnie "feed me some shit" Ellis]
>
> > "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
> > news:8o7obssmco6b8p8mt32o9repbtq9p64vrc@4ax.com...
> > > In <38BA631C.65047964@btinternet.com>, on Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:59:24
> > > +0000, David E Michael  wrote:
> > >
> > > > John Morris wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > > > Hash: SHA1
> > > > >
> > > > > In <38BA5254.B10BA8B5@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Mon,
28
> > > > > Feb 2000 10:47:49 +0000, David E Michael
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >John Morris wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> In <38BA4F01.A687FBEC@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on
Mon,
> > > > > >> 28 Feb 2000 10:33:37 +0000, David E Michael
> > > > > >>  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> >Buck Turgidson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> David E Michael wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> [snip]
> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > Perhaps we should ask what sort of deranged f*** you are,
> > > > > >> >> > Murphy. Look at your posting record:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> Michael, you diseased maniac, you can list every single post
I
> > > > > >> >> have ever made in my entire life and you will not find one
> > > > > >> >> wherein I posted someone's home address and telephone number
> > > > > >> >> for public purview.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> Your unsurprising lack of condemnation for the posting of
Sara
> > > > > >> >> Salzman's personal info just shows what a loathsome creature
> > > > > >> >> you have become.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> >More moral lecturing from the man who has been caught telling
> > > > > >> >lies.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> More empty mouthings from a man who supports posting home phone
> > > > > >> numbers in Usenet.
> > > > >
> > > > > >So tell us, Mr Morris, if you can leave your pigs alone for a few
> > > > > >seconds,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll never leave you guys alone, David.
> > > > >
> > > > > >do you condemn Mr Murphy's lies? Yes or no?
> > > > >
> > > > > >And do you condemn Michael Ragland's attitude to children? Yes or
> > > > > >no?
> > > > >
> > > > > I condemn bullies like you and Don Ellis and Nazihunter who post
home
> > > > > telephone numbers to Usenet.
> > > >
> > > > But no condemnation for the lies of Mr Murphy and the paedophile
> > behaviour
> > > > of Mr Ragland?
> > >
> > > I hope you get your ass sued off for your behaviour.  I will enjoy
every
> > > second of it.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gord McFee
> > > I'll write no line before its time
> >
> > THREATS OF LAWSUITS IS ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS CAN TALK ABOUT...CHICKEN
SHIT
>
> Really like the old poop, don't you Donnie-bum?  And now you are "into"
> chickens I see.
>
>
> --
> Gord McFee


ARE YOU STILL SUCKING YOUR FATHER'S DICK




From postmaster@thundernet.org Thu Mar  2 04:00:58 EST 2000
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"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
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> In <89k8s00398@news2.newsguy.com>, on Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:24:28 GMT, "Doc
> Tavish"  wrote:
>
> > On  1-Mar-2000, David E Michael  wrote:
> >
> > > John Morris wrote:
> >
> > > > >> >> John Morris wrote:
> >
> > > > >> >> > In <38BA4F01.A687FBEC@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on
> > > > >> >> > Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:33:37 +0000, David E Michael
> > > > >> >> >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> >> > >More moral lecturing from the man who has been caught
> > > > >> >> > >telling lies.
> >
> > > > >> >> > More empty mouthings from a man who supports posting home
> > > > >> >> > phone numbers in Usenet.
> >
> > > > >> >> So tell us, Mr Morris, if you can leave your pigs alone for a
> > > > >> >> few seconds, do you condemn Mr Murphy's lies? Yes or no?
> >
> > > > >> >Nothing anyone has done here in any way approaches your descent
> > > > >> >to the bottom of the pond, Michael.  You are a disgusting,
> > > > >> >loathsome pig.  And you will get your just desserts; count on
it.
> >
> > Definitely looks like a threat to me!
>
> Too fucking bad.
>
> > > > >> >You are now on a level with Nazihunter and Don Ellis.  I am sure
> > > > >> >you are proud, since filth seeks its depth.
> >
> > I have never witnessed either David Michaels nor Don Ellis posting
anyone's
> > personal information and then inviting people to visit said person with
baseball
> > bats and beat him to death! Care to show proof that either of my friends
have done
> > such Mr. Morris? It is your side that started with posting addresses and
it is your side
> > that invites violence! Now please be so find and go off yourself!
>
> It was I who wrote that, Bradbury, you gutless little prick.  Enjoy
> yourself while you can, little boy, your time is just about up.
>
> --
> Gord McFee


ARE YOU PLANNING ON KILLING TAVISH? SURE AS HELL SOUNDS LIKE A DEATH THREAT.
YOU'RE ONE WEAK MOTHERFUCKER




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"John Morris"  wrote in message
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>
> In <38BDE3CA.3E39F226@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Thu, 02
> Mar 2000 03:45:14 +0000, David E Michael
>  wrote:
>
> >John Morris wrote:
>
> >> In  in alt.revisionism, on
> >> 01 Mar 2000 17:12:37 -0800, William Daffer
> >>  wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >> >  Like John  said: 'Der Fuehrer of the David Michael Party.'
>
> >> >LOL!
>
> >> He said he was presently helping organize a new chapter of the
> >> BNP. So he must be the Supreme Leader of the Bavid Nichael Party.
>
> >A non sequitur from Mr Morris.
>
> A desperate attempt to appear intelligent from Mr. Michael.
>
> - --
>  John Morris


HAHA. MORRIS IS A 53 YEAR OLD STUDENT. GOD DAMN MORRIS, WHEN ARE YOU GOING
TO FINISH COLLEGE. YOU MUST BE ONE DUMB MOTHERFUCKER. YOUR MOTHER MUST BE
TURNING TRICKS TO BE ABLE TO KEEP YOU IN COLLEGE FOR THIS MANY YEARS.




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"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
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> In <38BCEDA7.7103379B@btinternet.com>, on Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:15:03
> +0000, David E Michael  wrote:
>
> [deleted]
>
> > False. I have assisted in founding a local group of the BNP last week
but
> > am content to take a back seat even there.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> --
> Gord McFee


YOU STILL SUCKING MCVAY'S DICK?




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"steve wolk"  wrote in message
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> Gord McFee wrote:
> >
> > In <38BCEDA7.7103379B@btinternet.com>, on Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:15:03
> > +0000, David E Michael  wrote:
> >
> > [deleted]
> >
> > > False. I have assisted in founding a local group of the BNP last week
but
> > > am content to take a back seat even there.
> >
> > Bullshit.
> >
> > --
> > Gord McFee
> > I'll write no line before its time
>
>
> I suspect that Rabid David's part in the founding of this group was
> limited to looking inside the stalls to make sure the mens' room was
> empty before the meeting convened.
>
> Steve
>
>
NOT TRUE. PUBLIC RESTROOM IS WHERE THE NIKZOR FAGS HANG OUT AT.




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"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
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> In <38BCDF15.DB474BEC@csu.ac.uk>, on Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:12:54 +0000,
> Charlie Chester  wrote:
>
> > Orac wrote:
> >
> > > In article , Gord McFee
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > >In <38BA5254.B10BA8B5@btinternet.com>, on Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:47:49
> > > >+0000, David E Michael  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> John Morris wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > In <38BA4F01.A687FBEC@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Mon,
28
> > > >> > Feb 2000 10:33:37 +0000, David E Michael
> > > >> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > >> > >More moral lecturing from the man who has been caught telling
lies.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > More empty mouthings from a man who supports posting home phone
> > > >> > numbers in Usenet.
> > > >>
> > > >> So tell us, Mr Morris, if you can leave your pigs alone for a few
> > > >> seconds, do you condemn Mr Murphy's lies? Yes or no?
> > > >
> > > >Nothing anyone has done here in any way approaches your descent to
the
> > > >bottom of the pond, Michael.  You are a disgusting, loathsome pig.
And
> > > >you will get your just desserts; count on it.
> > > >
> > > >You are now on a level with Nazihunter and Don Ellis.  I am sure you
are
> > > >proud, since filth seeks its depth.
> > >
> > > What surprises me is that David seems so utterly unconcerned that even
> > > people normally predisposed to sympathize with him (such as Kadach)
now
> > > utter his name in the same breath as Nazihunter and Ellis and consider
> > > him to be every bit as low as Nazihunter and Ellis. When I first
> > > encountered him under the 'nym "Cuddles," I never would have guessed
him
> > > capable of sinking so low. Either he's changed over the last year and
a
> > > half or it's simply taken him that long to finally unmask his true
> > > personality.
> >
> > Perhaps Dave's unravelling because his er..."marriage" is under strain.
The
> > missus can't be too chuffed with the constant brush offs like, "Not
tonight
> > darling I'm cyber stalking." or, "Not now dear, I'm getting chummy with
a
> > coprophiliac." Perhaps she's now refusing to make him any of those
wonderful
> > cottage pies.
>
> ROTFL!
>
> > On a more serious note, Davie-boy's current derangement probably owes a
lot
> > to the fact that Dep, Hilary Ostrov & others refuse to be intimidated by
his
> > bullying. Becuase they've stood their ground & not been silenced as he'd
> > like, he can't step back from his stalking to take a breather. He's
stuck in
> > the loop & is forced to keep ratcheting up his vituperation.
> > btw it's interesting to note that he's now talking about the "enemies of
> > white people" & "traitors." Clearly, you can take the boy out of the
> > "movement" but you can't take the "movement" out of the boy.
>
> Except foe the bowel movement when he and Donnie "doo-doo" Ellis get
> together.
>
> I agree that Dave the Rave is down the drain.  No pretense at civility.
> Just the naked bully, stalker, hypocrite.  Just like I've said all
> along.
>
> He's just Don Ellis with a British accent.
>
> --
> Gord McFee


YOU'RE JUST KEN MCVAY WITH A STRONG DESIRE TO WATCH SOMEONE ELSE TO FUCK
YOUR UGLY ASS WIFE.




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"David E Michael"  wrote in message
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>
>
> John Morris wrote:
>
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > In  in alt.revisionism,
> > on Thu, 02 Mar 2000 04:03:43 GMT, shit-eater Don Ellis
> >  pounded his keyboar with twin ball pean
> > hammers:
> >
> > >"John Morris"  wrote in message
> > >news:7forbsc9ic9596iovg8tkge47oommq6haj@4ax.com...
> >
> > >> Do you become this laughably stupid as a *result* of becoming a
> > >> Nazi?
> > >>  Or is it a necessary precondition so that you *can* become a
> > >> Nazi?
> >
> > >DAVID A NAZI?  THAT IS FUNNY AS HELL. JOHN YOU ARE A FUCKING FREAK
> >
> > Yup.  David's a Nazi.  I'd cite the more than ample evidence, but
> > you've already indicated that the ability to yell is more convincing
> > than evidence.
> >
> > We'll just let the ol' alternate .sig do the talking.
> >
> > - --
> >  John Morris                                
> >  at University of Alberta  
> >
> > On 31 May 1998, David E. Michael wrote: "I found myself labelled as a
> > 'Nazi' (which was palpably untrue -- at least at the time)."
> >
> > On 16 August 1998, David E. Michael wrote: "I am not defining myself
> > as a Nazi. Your fellow pro-Nizkor posters are attempting to smear me
> > by using the word."
> >
> > On 9 February 2000, David E. Michael wrote: "I have never in all my
> > life intentionally set out to mislead anyone."
> >
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> > iQA/AwUBOL4Q25QgvG272fn9EQJpCACgxmJiuE2JsAWl0rY07P15+9tKVRYAoMRg
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>
> And Mr Morris is taking advantage of the fact that it's hellish expensive
> to sue for defamation.
>
> David
>


IT IS ALSO A TWO WAY STREET.




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"David E Michael"  wrote in message
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>
>
> John Morris wrote:
>
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> >
> > In <38BDE6C1.F8838821@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Thu, 02
> > Mar 2000 03:57:55 +0000, David E Michael
> >  wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > >It's a rather sad story. I used to post under the nym Cuddles.
> > >(Cuddles is actually a
> > >hamster, but that's another story.) One day, John Morris decided
> > >that he wanted to embarrass me by posting my real name and the town
> > >where he thought I resided, apparently gleaned from a post that I'd
> > >posted to another newsgroup.
> >
> > Nope.  You posted under your own name in alt.revisionism.  The only
> > thing I gleaned from elsewhere in Usenet--deja.com specifically--is
> > that you have always been a whiner.
> >
> > > Various people
> > >on the anti-revisionist side then expressed the view that this was a
> > >bit dirty. Morris responded that he felt it was legitimate to post
> > >details of other posters gleaned from other parts of the Internet.
> >
> > No details about you were gleaned from other parts of the Internet.
> > The only thing that anyone knows about you is that: you claim to be
> > named David E. Michael; David Michael has a PhD from a third-rate
> > university; you claim to be associated with the British National
> > Party; you claim to be overweight and well-off; you are a dickhead, a
> > bully, a whiner, and extraordinarily and probably pathologically
> > dishonest.
> >
> > >At that point 'Deppity Bob', real name Scot Murphy, piped up and
> > >stated that he agreed with Morris. Here is his post:
> >
> > Since all this happened two years ago, it does not explain David
> > Michael's current stalking campaign.  The prefferred explanation is
> > that you are a moral and emotional cripple who can't deal with
> > mature, adult interactions.
> >
> > [stalking by spam deleted]
> >
> > - --
> >  John Morris                                
> >  at University of Alberta  
> >
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> More abuse from Mr Morris, who appears to have had his feathers ruffled.
>
> David
>


FAG BOY MORRIS HAS LOST ALL CREDITABILITY




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CHICKEN HAWK BROWN HAS CLAIMED HE STILL RECEIVES E-MAIL FROM BIGFOOT. THAT
HIS ACCOUNT WITH BIGFOOT WAS NEVER INTERRUPTED. THIS PROVES HE IS A DAMN
LIAR. HE LOST HIS ACCOUNT BECAUSE OF SPAM AND THREATS.


E-MAIL I RECEIVED FROM ABUSE AT BIGFOOT AFTER I FILED A COMPLAINT.


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jeff_brown@bigfoot.com has been locked out and deleted.




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"John Morris"  wrote in message
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> In <38BE5D60.94B1939B@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Thu, 02
> Mar 2000 12:24:00 +0000, David E Michael
>  wrote:
>
> >John Morris wrote:
>
> >> In <38BE45EB.7A8BDD94@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Thu,
> >> 02 Mar 2000 10:43:55 +0000, [name withheld by request]
> >>  wrote:
>
> >> >John Morris wrote:
>
> >> >> In <38BE2363.B5DB6C50@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on
> >> >> Thu, 02 Mar 2000 08:16:36 +0000, David E Michael
> >> >>  wrote:
>
> >> >> >John Morris wrote:
>
> >> >> >> In  in
> >> >> >> alt.revisionism, on Thu, 02 Mar 2000 04:03:43 GMT,
> >> >> >> shit-eater Don Ellis  pounded his
> >> >> >> keyboard with twin ball pean hammers:
>
> >> >> >> >"John Morris"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> >news:7forbsc9ic9596iovg8tkge47oommq6haj@4ax.com...
>
> >> >> >> >> Do you become this laughably stupid as a *result* of
> >> >> >> >> becoming a Nazi?
> >> >> >> >> Or is it a necessary precondition so that you *can*
> >> >> >> >> become a Nazi?
>
> >> >> >> >DAVID A NAZI?  THAT IS FUNNY AS HELL. JOHN YOU ARE A
> >> >> >> >FUCKING FREAK
>
> >> >> >> Yup.  David's a Nazi.  I'd cite the more than ample
> >> >> >> evidence, but you've already indicated that the ability to
> >> >> >> yell is more convincing than evidence.
>
> >> >> >> We'll just let the ol' alternate .sig do the talking.
>
> >> >> >And Mr Morris is taking advantage of the fact that it's
> >> >> >hellish expensive to sue for defamation.
>
> >> >> On 31 May 1998, David E. Michael wrote: "I found myself
> >> >> labelled as a 'Nazi' (which was palpably untrue -- at least at
> >> >> the time)."
>
> >> The original context does not affect the meaning of the statement.
>
> >Context always affects the meaning of any statement, Mr Morris.
>
> It was and act of pure altruism that I didn't give the full context.
>
> >> You were discussing the process of your radicalization into a
> >> racial nationalist.
>
> >Aha.
>
> Aha, indeed.
>
> >> You complained that you were labeled as a Nazi for your
> >> views on immigration, a label which was untrue at the time.
>
> >Indeed..
>
> Indeed, aha.
>
> >> You still haven't answered my question.  Was it too difficult for
> >> you?
>
> >Yes, since you don't appear to have asked one.
>
> Maybe you're getting hung up on the N-word.  Let me rephrase
> slightly.
>
> Do you become this laughably stupid as a *result* of joining Bullies
> Never Prosper?  Or is it a necessary *precondition* for membership in
> the BNP?
>
> - --
>  John Morris

DAVID HAS ALREADY PROVEN YOU TO BE A LIAR.




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What brother would that be Joel?

Don


"Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
news:NF_w4.1364$8t6.12182@news.uswest.net...
> Why yet another sockpuppet, Donnie?  Did your brother tell you that you
> didn't have enough of them?
>
>
> "Brimstone"  wrote in message
> news:0700587c.3a6cbd5a@usw-ex0103-018.remarq.com...
> > Are you saying this ellis guy is running for president? I didn't
> > see it in the newspaper.
> >
> >
> > Brimstone
> >
> >
> > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion
Network
> *
> > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!
> >
>
>




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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
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> In article <1c1b96c8.3cfa1697@usw-ex0103-018.remarq.com>, Brimstone
>  wrote:
>
> >I don't have a wesite. What is your damn problem anyway?
> >
> You mean you lost hatewatch.com and hatewatch.net?
>
> If you're not Don Ellis, you sure do a good imitation of him....
>
> Sara
>
>
You do a good imitation of John Morris.


Don




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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
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McVay are you gay?




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Not so jerk. You said donnie...not brimstone. So I replied. I have no idea
who he is.


 wrote in message news:8a39lc$r50$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Err... Donnie, you may not have noticed, but you just admitted
> your "Brimstone" nym.
>
> As to your brother, doesn't your brother Steve count?  Or is it one of
> those inbreeding -- he's-your-half-brother-and-your-father-and-your-
> uncle -- sort of things?


Give me a name.
>
>
>
>
> In article <34%w4.3055$yV1.744367@tw11.nn.bcandid.com>,
>   "Don Ellis"  wrote:
> > What brother would that be Joel?
> >
> > Don
> >
> > "Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
> > news:NF_w4.1364$8t6.12182@news.uswest.net...
> > > Why yet another sockpuppet, Donnie?  Did your brother tell you that
> you
> > > didn't have enough of them?
> > >
> > >
> > > "Brimstone"  wrote in
> message
> > > news:0700587c.3a6cbd5a@usw-ex0103-018.remarq.com...
> > > > Are you saying this ellis guy is running for president? I didn't
> > > > see it in the newspaper.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Brimstone
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion
> > Network
> > > *
> > > > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet -
> Free!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.




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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
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> In article , Mike Kalvatis
>  wrote:
>
> >When one of McVay's supporters posted Don's info. Only Don Ellis had
> >the balls to use his real name while nazihunter hides behind an
> >anonymous newsserver. If you also remember, Sara refused to help put
> >an end to the nazihunter postings about Don, she refused to cooperate
> >in stopping the post(by her own admission) and in fact, kind of
> >gloated about it.
> >
> >Sara has also done the same thing by putting up a name for that Rev
> >White poster (who I have never seen post one time in here except for
> >that instance). I bet it is like the Ronald Schoedel thing. I think
> >Sara has a lot of this to blame for herself, something she refuses to
> >admit.
> >
> >Mike
> >ex-Jew
>
>
> Oooh, Mr. Kalvatis, you've been proven a liar.
>
> I NEVER posted "Revwhite"s real name. I pointed out the way to the web
> site (hatecheck.org) that identified. I did it that way EXPRESSLY so that
> I could not be accused of posting anyone's "real name."
>
> And of course, the reason I did this was because Revwhite posted personal
> information about me -- specific information including a MAP of my street
> and the names, addresses and phone numbers of my neighbors.
>
> Before that moment, I have never even SEEN a posting from Revwhite. I
> never interacted with him in any way, shape, or form.
>
> This person came out of the woodwork and posted information, encouraging
> others to contact my neighbors.
>
> I pointed to a place that identifies who "revwhite" is, since he seemed so
> interested in making personal information public.
>
> Now, tell me again: what did I do TO REVWHITE?
>
> Sara
>
> And by the way... Don Ellis may have balls, but he is certainly NOT the
> only person using his real name. I have always done so. Revwhite doesn't.
> "Brimstone" doesn't. Ken McVay DOES. etc.
>
>
I'm also a nice guy too.


Don




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Lost??

That is funny and you're not David Goldman. If you were Goldman then you
would know the amount of US dollars you paid me for the domains.

Don


"David Goldman"  wrote in message
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>
> The king of assholes as lost again, this time hatewatch.org
> has managed to defeat Donnie by getting his domain taken
> from him.
>
> Registrant:
> HateWatch, Inc (HATEWATCH4-DOM)
>    955 Massachusetts Ave, +ACM-141
>    Cambridge, MA 02139
>    US
>
>    Domain Name: HATEWATCH.COM
>
>    Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
>       Goldman, David  (DG7397)  goldman@HATEWATCH.ORG
>       HateWatch Inc,
> PMB 141 955 Massachusetts Avenue
> Cambridge, MA 02139-3180
>
>       617-876-3796
>
>    Record last updated on 07-Mar-2000.
>    Record created on 07-Mar-2000.
>    Database last updated on 9-Mar-2000 13:26:10 EST.
>
>    Domain servers in listed order:
>
>    NS1.GRANITECANYON.COM 205.166.226.38
>    NS2.GRANITECANYON.COM 216.17.165.20
>
> --
> Anon news web interface.  FAQ available for review at:
> http://packetderm.cotse.com/cgi-bin/blockit.cgi
>
>




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"David E Michael"  wrote in message
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I have many domains.

Don

>
> I expect he'll get another one.
>
> David
>
> On 5 February 2000 William Daffer wrote: 'total honesty isn't required'.
>
> On 21 November 1998 Scot Murphy wrote: 'Yes, these are newsgroups I
> lurked through--though never contributed to'.
>
> On 30 January 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'I must admit I have at times
> done revisionist postings to confuse others and help the
> anti-revisionist side. How so, well I've stated the Nazis killed
> millions of Jews but Hitler didn't know about it! I realize that by
> acknowledging the Nazis killed millions of Jew, even if I have
> demonstrated there is no proof Hitler knew about the extermination, I
> have caused some damage to revisionists.'
>
> On 8 February 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'Sometimes telling
> half-truths, white lies, etc. is important for self-preservation and to
> achieve certain ends.'
>
>




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"Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
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>
> "Don Ellis"  wrote in message
> news:D80y4.718$oN5.195265@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> > Lost??
> >
> > That is funny and you're not David Goldman. If you were Goldman then you
> > would know the amount of US dollars you paid me for the domains.
> >
>
> Always the poor loser, eh, Donnie?  You would think that with all the
> practice you've had, you'd get used to it.
>
> Hee hee hee.
>
You can always blame your drunk mother for your faults.




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"Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
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>
> Don Ellis, whining over the humiliation of having his phony hatewatch
domain
> taken away from him,   wrote in message
> news:E1iy4.2324$oN5.624252@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> >
> > "Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
> > news:BFfy4.694$8y3.34531@news.uswest.net...
> > >
> > > "Don Ellis"  wrote in message
> > > news:D80y4.718$oN5.195265@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> > > > Lost??
> > > >
> > > > That is funny and you're not David Goldman. If you were Goldman then
> you
> > > > would know the amount of US dollars you paid me for the domains.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Always the poor loser, eh, Donnie?  You would think that with all the
> > > practice you've had, you'd get used to it.
> > >
> > > Hee hee hee.
> > >
> > You can always blame your drunk mother for your faults.
> >
>
> Yeah, I guess I could.
>
> But what does that have to do with Goldman and the real Hatewatch taking
> your phony domains away from you?   And what does that have to do with you
> being a whining loser?
>
>
>
Goldman purchased the domains. I do have others. Does your mom get a little
slutty when she is drunk?




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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
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> In article <38C9DF7A.D7A3B078@mindspring.com>,
> depnospambob@YOmindspriing.conOY wrote:
>
> >Mike Kalvatis wrote:
> >
> >> no, you mentioned your son having problems, not me. Your own words
> >> Sara, repeat your own words. Why would you even mention your son's
> >> problems? It's a shame your ex did not get custody of your children.
> >>
> >> You are now trying to exploit your children in order to win sympathy
> >> votes on usenet? Your sick.
> >
> >Not as sick as the bastard who keeps needling her about it.
> >
> >Killfile him, Sara. He's only getting what his diseased mind wants.
> >
>
> "Win sympathy"? That's a laugh! As I posted to Mr. Ellis (who referred to
> my son as an "idiot,") my son has an IQ of 160-165, and at age 12 has more
> compassion and understanding than Mr. Ellis, Mr. Kalvatis and their
> cronies multiplied by 50.
>


Mike is right. Here is Sara offering the newsgroup her son's age.




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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
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> This was sent to me via e-mail this evening. Since it is from Don Ellis,
> who has been asked on previous occasions NOT to send e-mail to me, I have
> no problem posting it publicly. Any further e-mail from Mr. Ellis will
> also be posted online.
>
> Mr. Ellis, after bringing my children into this discussion group by
> publicly mentioning them by name, sent me the following:


You're a liar. I did not post a message containing your children's names.


> >
> > Therefore, Dr. Michael is a liar, and you are an idiot with a reading
> > comprehension problem.
> >
> > Sara
> >
> >
>
> You're a fine one to be calling someone an idiot. At least Mr. Kalvatis
> didn't give birth to an idiot.
>
> The Rabbi
>
> ------END QUOTE-------
>
> Since it seems to be of some concern to Mr. Ellis, let me just add that my
> son's last IQ test showed him to have an IQ of between 160-165. He is in a
> "gifted/talented" program at school.


It's called "Special Ed".



I can understand Mr. Ellis' jealousy,
> since his posts here would certainly seem to reflect an IQ of no more than
> 15.


Ever see the movie "Rainman"?


> One must wonder why Mr. Ellis has switched from "Brimstone" to "Rabbi Don"
> as his nym de jour? Is this part of his bizarre "I'm Jewish" fantasy?
>
> Sara
>
> --

Don't Touch Me!


don





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"David E Michael"  wrote in message
news:38C9E760.6DB4D9B0@btinternet.com...
>
>
> Sara Salzman wrote:
>
> > In article , Mike Kalvatis
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >Sara, you keep fueling the discussion don't you buy giving out
> > >personal information about your son. Don't you have any shame at all?
> > >I feel sorry your kids are getting named, but frankly, you keep
> > >fueling this  by giving out even more personal information.
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >
> > >
> > Mr. Kalvatis, you are truly desipcable. I have NEVER given out personal
> > information. I am giving Dr. Michael the Benefit of the doubt about my
> > son, which is certainly more than Dr. Michael has ever given anyone
else.
> >
> > However, I have quite clearly stated that my daughter's name has NEVER
> > been posted on USENET. Dr. Michael claims it has been.
> >
> > Therefore, Dr. Michael is a liar, and you are an idiot with a reading
> > comprehension problem.
> >
> > Sara
> >
> > >
> > >On 10 Mar 2000 14:59:23 EST, catamont@concentric.net (Sara Salzman)
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>My SON has a developmental disability, and I may have posted his name
back
> > >>in the days when Matt Giwer insisted that NO ONE with autism could
talk.
> > >>He knew that because he had "hugged" an autistic child once.
> > >>
> > >>One child, whose name I MIGHT have posted. I sincerely doubt it, but
I'm
> > >>willing to say it's a possibility.
> > >>
> > >>My daughter's name has NEVER been posted anywhere on Usenet. Note:
> > >>ANYWHERE ON USENET.
> > >>
> > >>Therefore, DejaNews is *NOT* where this information was obtained.
> > >>
> > >>Sara
> >
> > --
> > In article <85ir3802i9m@news2.newsguy.com>, doc_tavish@NOSPAMmy-deja.com
wrote:
>
> In fairness, I did a thorough search of Usenet and the WWW this afternoon
and I
> could find no reference to Ari and one reference to a Rene Salzman on a
theatrical
> Web page but nothing else. Although I'm fairly certain I've seen this info
> somewhere in the past.
>
> David
>
The information was supplied by Ken McVay. Her own damn friend. I went to
McVay's web site today to locate the listings and discovered McVay has
removed the names. I archive everything McVay publishes and found the
original web page. I posted it here for your viewing:
http://www.thundernet.org/hatewatch/archives/NizkorContributorSaraSalzman.ht
m

I don't if brimstone found the names on Mcvay's site, but it is interesting
why Mcvay would remove the names soon after brimstone's posting. I logged
the url only 2 weeks ago. Is it possible brimstone is really Mcvay?

If you notice Sara also supports the release of a damn cop killer Leonard
Peltier.

Don




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"Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
news:wyty4.336$Kw5.5336@news.uswest.net...
>
> Don Ellis, whining further,   wrote in message
> news:tTiy4.2432$oN5.653303@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> >
> > "Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
> > news:aKiy4.1385$8y3.42743@news.uswest.net...
> > >
> > > Don Ellis, whining over the humiliation of having his phony hatewatch
> > domain
> > > taken away from him,   wrote in message
> > > news:E1iy4.2324$oN5.624252@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
> > > > news:BFfy4.694$8y3.34531@news.uswest.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Don Ellis"  wrote in message
> > > > > news:D80y4.718$oN5.195265@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> > > > > > Lost??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That is funny and you're not David Goldman. If you were Goldman
> then
> > > you
> > > > > > would know the amount of US dollars you paid me for the domains.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Always the poor loser, eh, Donnie?  You would think that with all
> the
> > > > > practice you've had, you'd get used to it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hee hee hee.
> > > > >
> > > > You can always blame your drunk mother for your faults.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, I guess I could.
> > >
> > > But what does that have to do with Goldman and the real Hatewatch
taking
> > > your phony domains away from you?   And what does that have to do with
> you
> > > being a whining loser?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Goldman purchased the domains.
>
> For a token amount, at most.  Admit it, Don:  he bitch-slapped you, and
> everybody's laughing at you, Donny.
>
> > I do have others.
>
> So what?  If you have other phony domains, other folks will take them away
> from you if they want to, and you'll be left with your thundermug.com.
>
> > Does your mom get a little
> > slutty when she is drunk?
>
> I don't know.  You could ask her, I guess, if you're foolish enough to
want
> to harrass a mean, rich old woman with enough time, money, and political
> connections to make your life real miserable. Not only would it be
criminal,
> Don, but it would be stupid.
>
>
I 'm asking you. Or do you let a drunk answer questions for you?


Grow Up Boy...




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"Mike Kalvatis"  wrote in message
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> On 11 Mar 2000 06:41:08 -0600, jg_brown@deja.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
> wrote:
>
>
> >Those who give out informationm about Sara's children are responsible for
> >their own actions.
>
> And Sara gave out information about her son having mental problems, no
> one else. Sara is blame for that.
>
>
Could be something that runs in the family. A kid like that is good for
monthly checks from the government. They call them crazy checks.




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"Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
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>
> Don Ellis, the loony who recently had his phony domains taken away from
him,
> whines....
>
>  wrote in message
> news:zmwy4.3832$oN5.996052@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> >
> > "Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
> > news:wyty4.336$Kw5.5336@news.uswest.net...
> > >
> > > Don Ellis, whining further,   wrote in
> message
> > > news:tTiy4.2432$oN5.653303@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
> > > > news:aKiy4.1385$8y3.42743@news.uswest.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > Don Ellis, whining over the humiliation of having his phony
> hatewatch
> > > > domain
> > > > > taken away from him,   wrote in message
> > > > > news:E1iy4.2324$oN5.624252@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
> > > > > > news:BFfy4.694$8y3.34531@news.uswest.net...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Don Ellis"  wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:D80y4.718$oN5.195265@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> > > > > > > > Lost??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That is funny and you're not David Goldman. If you were
> Goldman
> > > then
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > would know the amount of US dollars you paid me for the
> domains.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Always the poor loser, eh, Donnie?  You would think that with
> all
> > > the
> > > > > > > practice you've had, you'd get used to it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hee hee hee.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > You can always blame your drunk mother for your faults.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, I guess I could.
> > > > >
> > > > > But what does that have to do with Goldman and the real Hatewatch
> > taking
> > > > > your phony domains away from you?   And what does that have to do
> with
> > > you
> > > > > being a whining loser?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Goldman purchased the domains.
> > >
> > > For a token amount, at most.  Admit it, Don:  he bitch-slapped you,
and
> > > everybody's laughing at you, Donny.
> > >
> > > > I do have others.
> > >
> > > So what?  If you have other phony domains, other folks will take them
> away
> > > from you if they want to, and you'll be left with your thundermug.com.
> > >
> > > > Does your mom get a little
> > > > slutty when she is drunk?
> > >
> > > I don't know.  You could ask her, I guess, if you're foolish enough to
> > want
> > > to harrass a mean, rich old woman with enough time, money, and
political
> > > connections to make your life real miserable. Not only would it be
> > criminal,
> > > Don, but it would be stupid.
> > >
> > >
> > I 'm asking you.
>
>
> Good for you.  Not harrassing her is a good choice.   Manifestly, you're
> learning, Donnie.  Good boy.  Maybe soon you'll be able to sit up and beg.
>
>
>
>
I 'm asking you. Or do you let a drunk answer questions for you?







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"Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
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>
> "Anti-Nazi"  wrote in message
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> >
> > "Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
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> > >
> > > Don Ellis, the loony who recently had his phony domains taken away
from
> > him,
> > > whines....
> > >
> > >  wrote in message
> > > news:zmwy4.3832$oN5.996052@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
> > > > news:wyty4.336$Kw5.5336@news.uswest.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > Don Ellis, whining further,   wrote in
> > > message
> > > > > news:tTiy4.2432$oN5.653303@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
> > > > > > news:aKiy4.1385$8y3.42743@news.uswest.net...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Don Ellis, whining over the humiliation of having his phony
> > > hatewatch
> > > > > > domain
> > > > > > > taken away from him,   wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > news:E1iy4.2324$oN5.624252@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:BFfy4.694$8y3.34531@news.uswest.net...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Don Ellis"  wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:D80y4.718$oN5.195265@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> > > > > > > > > > Lost??
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > That is funny and you're not David Goldman. If you were
> > > Goldman
> > > > > then
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > would know the amount of US dollars you paid me for the
> > > domains.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Always the poor loser, eh, Donnie?  You would think that
> with
> > > all
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > practice you've had, you'd get used to it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hee hee hee.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can always blame your drunk mother for your faults.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah, I guess I could.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But what does that have to do with Goldman and the real
> Hatewatch
> > > > taking
> > > > > > > your phony domains away from you?   And what does that have to
> do
> > > with
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > being a whining loser?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Goldman purchased the domains.
> > > > >
> > > > > For a token amount, at most.  Admit it, Don:  he bitch-slapped
you,
> > and
> > > > > everybody's laughing at you, Donny.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I do have others.
> > > > >
> > > > > So what?  If you have other phony domains, other folks will take
> them
> > > away
> > > > > from you if they want to, and you'll be left with your
> thundermug.com.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Does your mom get a little
> > > > > > slutty when she is drunk?
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know.  You could ask her, I guess, if you're foolish
enough
> to
> > > > want
> > > > > to harrass a mean, rich old woman with enough time, money, and
> > political
> > > > > connections to make your life real miserable. Not only would it be
> > > > criminal,
> > > > > Don, but it would be stupid.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > I 'm asking you.
> > >
> > >
> > > Good for you.  Not harrassing her is a good choice.   Manifestly,
you're
> > > learning, Donnie.  Good boy.  Maybe soon you'll be able to sit up and
> beg.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > I 'm asking you. Or do you let a drunk answer questions for you?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> I would guess that would depend on the question.  In this case, sure.
>
> If the question is, say, "What kind of sheep are Don Ellis' favorite
evening
> companion?", I'd let you answer.
>
Does your mom get a little slutty when she is drunk?





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"sjw"  wrote in message
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> Anti-Nazi wrote:
> >
> > "Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
> > news:wyty4.336$Kw5.5336@news.uswest.net...
> > >
> > > Don Ellis, whining further,   wrote in
message
> > > news:tTiy4.2432$oN5.653303@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
> > > > news:aKiy4.1385$8y3.42743@news.uswest.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > Don Ellis, whining over the humiliation of having his phony
hatewatch
> > > > domain
> > > > > taken away from him,   wrote in message
> > > > > news:E1iy4.2324$oN5.624252@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
> > > > > > news:BFfy4.694$8y3.34531@news.uswest.net...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Don Ellis"  wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:D80y4.718$oN5.195265@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> > > > > > > > Lost??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That is funny and you're not David Goldman. If you were
Goldman
> > > then
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > would know the amount of US dollars you paid me for the
domains.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Always the poor loser, eh, Donnie?  You would think that with
all
> > > the
> > > > > > > practice you've had, you'd get used to it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hee hee hee.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > You can always blame your drunk mother for your faults.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, I guess I could.
> > > > >
> > > > > But what does that have to do with Goldman and the real Hatewatch
> > taking
> > > > > your phony domains away from you?   And what does that have to do
with
> > > you
> > > > > being a whining loser?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Goldman purchased the domains.
> > >
> > > For a token amount, at most.  Admit it, Don:  he bitch-slapped you,
and
> > > everybody's laughing at you, Donny.
> > >
> > > > I do have others.
> > >
> > > So what?  If you have other phony domains, other folks will take them
away
> > > from you if they want to, and you'll be left with your thundermug.com.
> > >
> > > > Does your mom get a little
> > > > slutty when she is drunk?
> > >
> > > I don't know.  You could ask her, I guess, if you're foolish enough to
> > want
> > > to harrass a mean, rich old woman with enough time, money, and
political
> > > connections to make your life real miserable. Not only would it be
> > criminal,
> > > Don, but it would be stupid.
> > >
> > >
> > I 'm asking you. Or do you let a drunk answer questions for you?
> >
> > Grow Up Boy...
>
>
>
> In addition to being coprophagic, it appears that Don
> Ellis/Brimstone/Anti-Nazi is suffering from multiple personality
> disorder too.  Or it could be tertiary syphilis.
>
> Steve

It appears Steve/sjw/Morris/Orac is an idiot.




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"Joel Rosenberg" 

Check out this image sent to me from Anon.

http://www.thundernet.org/joelrosen.gif




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'20/20' Race-Gay Analogy Slanders Basic Faiths

by:  C.H. 'Max' Freedman

ABC's "20/20" producers, never beacons of
integrity, stooped to new lows the other night in a segment
dealing with so-called hate groups.

The "hatred" depicted on that show was, in large part, the
hatred that I, as a committed Orthodox Jew, am guilty of -
and proud as a peacock to proclaim, the hatred of those
unspeakable same-sex practices that almost all civilized
societies have denounced since civilization first began.

ABC's producers shamelessly equated aversion to such
activities with raw racial bigotry.  Through sly, high-tech
innuendo, the cameras kept switching between, on the one
hand, those who rightly denounce such sexual practices and,
on the other hand, those ignoramuses who despise people
solely on the basis of their race.

It's an old weapon in the gay-activist arsenal: likening
opponents of their agenda to racial segregationists.
Although Gen. Colin Powell sternly denounced this technique,
it is being used as an unprincipled wedge to try and force
the inclusion of open homosexuals in the military.  Now,
"20/20" has taken the technique to sophisticated new highs -
and new moral lows.

On a personal level, I bitterly resent this comparison.  It
enrages me to be put in league with Ku Klux Klan members and
neo-Nazis.  I resent it far more, however, because it
slanders, by extension, every saintly figure in our
tradition: Abraham, Moses, Maimonides, and all the rest.
They were as opposed to the practices in question as any
traditional Jew of this generation.

I'm equally outraged that revered figures in other
traditional faiths, such as Pope John Paul, are put in the
same league as common bigots, simply because they adhere to
age-old Biblical tenets.

Let's examine the "alternate lifestyle" that "20/20" held
out as being so utterly normal and acceptable that to oppose
it in any way is akin to seeking a return to the era of
slavery.  A number of years back, syndicated columnist Bob
Greene, a political moderate, wrote a piece that was
headlined in the New York Daily News, "It's time to draw the
line on sicko sex!"

The column centered on the bizarre and shocking report that
up to 10 percent of San Francisco's homicides were caused by
homosexuals killing each other in sexual encounters -
prompting the coroner himself to establish workshops on how
to engage in such activities without committing
manslaughter!

Greene was not referring to the spreading of the AIDS virus,
which was almost unheard of at the time.  The deadly
practice that Greene's column addressed was sado-masochistic
sex.  Remarkably, the classes that San Francisco coroner
Boyd Stephens conducted to cut down the slaughter were
called "S & M Safety."

"It's a very delicate matter," explained the coroner, "but
we decided that instead of making value judgments or
ignoring the problem, we would try to save lives."

However widespread such deadly practices might have become
in ensuing years, you're unlikely to encounter a similar
report in your daily newspaper today - not by Bob Greene or
anyone else.  Since publication of that piece in newspapers
across the land on March 27, 1981, homosexual activists have
become far more powerful and ruthless.

It is unlikely that any mainstream paper would dare print
such vital truths today for fear of being boycotted or,
conceivably, even shut down - as effectively as any
opposition paper in Iran, Iraq, or communist China.

The threat of raw censorship is not the worst of it.
Tragically, the mainstream media have not only stopped
disseminating such critical truths; they are out-and-out
aiding in the suppression of their own press freedom and the
destruction of our civilized standards.  Hence that
Machiavellian "20/20" show, ostensibly on "hate," but in
reality, designed to further the homosexual agenda.

The middle-of-the-road Bob Greene wound up his column
commenting: "The people being aimed at by the San Francisco
workshops are disturbed and ill.  And if a society pretends
that things are any other way, then that society is
disturbed and ill as well."

That was then.  Now, however, less than two decades later,
those sick, potentially homicidal activities are supposedly
the norm - and we, who still find such things repugnant and
decadent, are "disturbed and ill."

As a Jew, I have nothing good to say about Ku Klux Klan
members and the like, but next to that slippery "20/20" crew
- who implied that the religious folk of this land are akin
to lynch parties - the KKK looks almost respectable.

C.H. "Max" Freedman was, for many years, a columnist for the
Brooklyn, N.Y.- based Jewish Herald.  He is a regular guest
on Talk Radio Network's "Barry Farber Show," usually
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"Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
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>
> Don Ellis, under his latest nyn of "Jacob Gassman"
>  wrote in message
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> > Aren't Arabs a semitic people?  If you're antisemitic, aren't you
supposed
> to hate Arabs too?
>
> Thanks for asking, Don.
>
> The answer is at http://www.shamash.org/lists/scj-faq/HTML/faq/16-01.html
>
> The short answer is that the term was coined by a jewhater to mean
> jewhating, and has never meant anything else.
>
> Glad you asked.
>
>
I didn't. While I have you here, is it true you drunk mother was found
sucking a dog dick?




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"Joel Rosenberg whose mother is a sorry ass drunk and cheap whore"
 wrote in message
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>
> Don Ellis, now pretending to be one "Jacob Gassman"
>  wrote in message
> news:BABNOBAMBCNHBAAA@shared2-mail.whowhere.com...
>
> [the usual drivel]
>
> This new pseudonym of yours is as boring as the last one, Don.  Into the
> killfile with you.
>
> *plonk*
>
>
I bet Gassman is one of your mother's johns.




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"Joel Rosenberg posting as his drunk mother"  wrote in
message news:I1Uy4.466$zd.31479@news.uswest.net...
>
> Don Ellis posing as "Brimstone" 
> wrote in message news:0769250a.b800f63e@usw-ex0103-018.remarq.com...
> > Rosenberg's drunk bitch of a mother is
> >
> [address deleted]
>
> That was a bad thing to do, Don.  But, shit, if you're stupid as well as
> evil enough to try to harrass a couple of mean old rich,
> politically-connected people with nothing better to do than run you to
> ground (entirely legally, of course), me warning you that it's a bad idea
> wouldn't stop you.
>
> Quick question:  do you own that roach motel you live in, or do you rent
it
> from your brother?
>
>
>
Are you challenging me? I hope like hell you are.


Don




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"Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
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>
> "Anti-Nazi"  wrote in message
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> >
> > "Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
> > news:V%Sy4.77$wJ3.6068@news.uswest.net...
> > >
> > > Don Ellis, under his latest nyn of "Jacob Gassman"
> > >  wrote in message
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> > > > Aren't Arabs a semitic people?  If you're antisemitic, aren't you
> > supposed
> > > to hate Arabs too?
> > >
> > > Thanks for asking, Don.
> > >
> > > The answer is at
> http://www.shamash.org/lists/scj-faq/HTML/faq/16-01.html
> > >
> > > The short answer is that the term was coined by a jewhater to mean
> > > jewhating, and has never meant anything else.
> > >
> > > Glad you asked.
> > >
> > >
> > I didn't.
>
> Sure, Donny.
>
> > While I have you here, is it true you drunk mother was found
> > sucking a dog dick?
> >
> >
>
> I doubt it; I doubt she'd have much of anything to do with your father.
>
>
I wouldn't put it past her sucking a deadman's dick.




From postmaster@thundernet.org Sun Mar 12 17:33:16 EST 2000
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"Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
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>
> "Anti-Nazi"  wrote in message
> news:smUy4.6096$oN5.1674850@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> >
> > "Joel Rosenberg posting as his drunk mother"  wrote
in
> > message news:I1Uy4.466$zd.31479@news.uswest.net...
> > >
> > > Don Ellis posing as "Brimstone"
> 
> > > wrote in message news:0769250a.b800f63e@usw-ex0103-018.remarq.com...
> > > > Rosenberg's drunk bitch of a mother is
> > > >
> > > [address deleted]
> > >
> > > That was a bad thing to do, Don.  But, shit, if you're stupid as well
as
> > > evil enough to try to harrass a couple of mean old rich,
> > > politically-connected people with nothing better to do than run you to
> > > ground (entirely legally, of course), me warning you that it's a bad
> idea
> > > wouldn't stop you.
> > >
> > > Quick question:  do you own that roach motel you live in, or do you
rent
> > it
> > > from your brother?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Are you challenging me? I hope like hell you are.
> >
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
>
> *yawn*  Your cheap bravado is sooooooooooo boring, Don.
>
> *ploink*
>
Oh, don't stall Joel. Get your lard ass in gear and put some action into
your threat.


Don




From postmaster@thundernet.org Mon Mar 13 02:48:28 EST 2000
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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
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> In article , "Joel Rosenberg"
>  wrote:
>
> >Don Ellis posing as "Brimstone" 
> >wrote in message news:0769250a.b800f63e@usw-ex0103-018.remarq.com...
> >> Rosenberg's drunk bitch of a mother is
> >>
>
> Well, Joel, looks like Ellis decided I was too difficult to go after, so
> he's moved on to you.

I never went after you. Joel started this on his own and he can finish the
damn thing by backing up his threat. While we're on the subject, why don't
you go ahead and start the lawsuits you have theaten everyone with? If you
don't like having your hand bitten then stop pointing your damn finger at
other people.


> Just settle down, relax, and archive everything for a few days. He'll
> realise he can't affect you either, and find some other person to harass.

You people are real good at calling other people names, but when your name
calling comes back home you can't take it very well.



> Sara
>
> --
> In article <85ir3802i9m@news2.newsguy.com>, doc_tavish@NOSPAMmy-deja.com
wrote:
>
>




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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
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> In article , "Anti-Nazi"
>  wrote:
>
> >"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
> >news:catamont-1203001651480001@ts002d44.den-co.concentric.net...
> >> In article , "Joel Rosenberg"
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> >Don Ellis posing as "Brimstone"

> >> >wrote in message news:0769250a.b800f63e@usw-ex0103-018.remarq.com...
> >> >> Rosenberg's drunk bitch of a mother is
> >> >>
> >>
> >> Well, Joel, looks like Ellis decided I was too difficult to go after,
so
> >> he's moved on to you.
> >
> >I never went after you. Joel started this on his own and he can finish
the
> >damn thing by backing up his threat. While we're on the subject, why
don't
> >you go ahead and start the lawsuits you have theaten everyone with?
>
>
> Please provide proof that I have "theatened" anyone with a lawsuit, Mr.
Ellis.
>
> Sara

I have copies of 3 certified letters you sent to 3 different companies. All
of them cced to Yale Edeiken.

So cut the bullshit and take action.





>  If you
> >don't like having your hand bitten then stop pointing your damn finger at
> >other people.
> >
> >
> >> Just settle down, relax, and archive everything for a few days. He'll
> >> realise he can't affect you either, and find some other person to
harass.
> >
> >You people are real good at calling other people names, but when your
name
> >calling comes back home you can't take it very well.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Sara
> >>
> >> --
> >> In article <85ir3802i9m@news2.newsguy.com>,
doc_tavish@NOSPAMmy-deja.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>
>
> --
> In article <85ir3802i9m@news2.newsguy.com>, doc_tavish@NOSPAMmy-deja.com
wrote:
>
>




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"Mike Kalvatis"  wrote in message
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> Then tell her to stop mentioning her children. I think she is
> dispicable for mentioning her sons problems. She mentioned it, not
> me., and thus it deserves a response.
>
> Mike
> ex-Jew
>
>
She wants people to feel sorry for her. It is quite possible her son's
mental illness is due to her drug abuse before his birth.



KillFile:
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gmcfee@attglobal.net
jg_brown@deja.com
dudalb@hotmail.com
Orac@mac.com
deppitybob@mindspring.com




From postmaster@thundernet.org Mon Mar 13 18:22:05 EST 2000
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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
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> In article ,
> jg_brown@deja.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>
> >In article ,
> >catamont@concentric.net (Sara Salzman) wrote:
> >
> >>Please provide proof that I have "theatened" anyone with a lawsuit, Mr.
Ellis.
> >
> >Aw, geez, Sara. How's Gutless Donnie gonna find the time to add to his
> >vast collection of homoerotic pornography if you keep pestering him for
> >little things like proof of his phony-baloney accusations?
> >
> >JGB
>
>
> My son is retaraded.
> My son gets public assistance
> I took drugs during pregnancy.
>
>
> Sara
>

Thank you for supplying me with these quotes.

"My son is retaraded"(retarded).

"My son gets public assistance".

"I took drugs during pregnancy".


Don





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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
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> In article , Fergus McClelland
>  wrote:
>
> >David E Michael  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>Fergus McClelland wrote:
> >>
> >>> David E Michael  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Fergus McClelland wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> David E Michael  wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >Sara Salzman wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >> In article <38C55E45.165E66B4@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> >>> >> >>  wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >Sara Salzman wrote:
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> In article ,
> >>> >> >> >> $kr1p7_k177y@tranquil.hegemony.ca wrote:
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >Brimstone  wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> How are the kids Ari and Rene doing these days.
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >Is this an attempt at intimidating Sara through mention of
> her children??
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> Why yes, it is! So was the naming of all my neighbors.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> Unfortunately for "Brimstone," it's not going to work. His
> posting of my
> >>> >> >> >> personal information is not going to silence ot intimidate
me.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >If so, you are DISGUSTING.  Go find another newsgroup to
> poison.  Your
> >>> >> >> >> >contributions are not wanted, needed, or even helpful here.
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> However, it DOES demonstrate quite clearly the agenda of the
> neo-Nazis
> >>> >> >> >> like Don Ellis, Pat Blakely, and David Michael, doesn't it?
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> Sara
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized
'Nazism'.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> Do you approve of this posting of my children's names or not?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >It seems fairly harmless to me. It was you who put them on the
web.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> But it was you who first posted your name that John Morris used
> >>> >> against you.
> >>> >
> >>> >My point exactly. He says it's OK.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, he seems to. Two wrongs etc.
> >>
> >>Well applying the concept of 'an eye for an eye', we could say that the
> second 'wrong' is
> >>legitimized by the first.
> >
> >But "an eye for an eye" is a Jewish concept, so you must be a Zionist!
> >
> >> But in any event, I don't accept that event number two was a
> >>'wrong', as explained at length elsewhere.
> >
> >
> >Yes.
> >
> >
> >>> >There is also a legal point here (say I with a nod in the direction
> of growls
> >>> >emanating from Messrs Morris, McVay and others) -- if you place
> information in the
> >>> >public domain then, under American law, the use of that information
> is not an
> >>> >invasion of privacy.
> >>>
> >>> There is also the point of morality when you ask a woman in a group
> >>> how her children are and name them. There is a bond between mother and
> >>> child, and to do that is to threaten the mother through her children.
> >>>
> >>
> >>I don't much approve of those causes that use women as soldiers so that
> they can bleat
> >>when the playing gets rough. As far as I'm concerned, if she's 'man'
> enough to hurl abuse
> >>at people, to campaign for odious causes, to try to use the law to
> silence people, etc.
> >>etc., she should not subsequently turn around and start whining when
> people fight back.
> >
> >As far this I agree with you, though I must add that I have never seen
> >Sara asking for special treatment. There are some of the ant-revs who
> >say things like "you shouldn't treat a woman that way" but in this age
> >that is looked upon as sexist and demeaning.
> >
> >
> >>She needs to decide whether she wishes to be a responsible mother (which
> entails not
> >>posting the names of her own kids onto the Internet and then campaigning
> in a rather
> >>ferocious way against revisionism)
> >
> >She has said that their names have never been posted anywhere on the
> >internet to her knowledge.
>
> No, Mr. McClelland, I said "nowhere in USENET." It is a fact that my
> children's names were listed in my bio on Nizkor, which was written quite
> some time ago, and updated after the Columbine massacre.
> It never occured to me that soneone (or something) would try to use those
> names to harass and frighten me. Therefore, after Mr. Ellis posted them, I
> asked Ken to remove their names from the Nizkor page.

I did not post their names to usenet.


> Of course, Mr. Ellis then posted the original page on his website, so it
> doesn't really matter.

Yes I did. After you pretended not to know where the poster acquired the
information on your children. You knew all along, you and McVay milked it
for all it's worth....until you got caught.



> Sara
>
>
> >
> >>or whether she wishes to be a valiant fighter for the
> >>HoloTruth (which entails campaigning away and accepting the consequences
> like everyone
> >>else).
> >
> >So, you are saying that only people who are fearless and
> >armour-plated, with no relatives or friends, should post. And that
> >anything can be said and done to the relatives of anyone who posts?
> >And that if, for example, your hamster was gassed by an
> >anti-revisionistic intruder to your house, the blame would be yours?
> >That the way to debate you would be to threaten your hamster?
> >
> >I can see it now:
> >Gord McSmith: "Ok Michael, I know where your hamster lives - If you
> >keep posting, it's time for byebyes for Cuddles"
> >
> >You: "Ok Gord, you win the argument. Bye."
> >
> >
> >>> >> And we are not talking about her name, we are talking
> >>> >> about her children. Blimey David, come on man. This is not
"harmless"
> >>> >> it is intimidation.
> >>> >
> >>> >Rubbish. Would telling the world that my grandfather was called
> Edward or that I have
> >>> >an aunt called Edith intimidate anyone? Nah. All that posting her
> kids' names does is
> >>> >show that someone can read Deja.com archives.
> >>>
> >>> No, it shows that someone has been snooping into her life somehow
> >>> somewhere and knows the names of her children, who might be very small
> >>> children. Your grandfather would not be the same thing at all.
> >>
> >>On the contrary -- if someone knew the name of my grandfather it would
> show that they'd
> >>been snooping into my life very thoroughly indeed.
> >
> > :) I imagine you could live to regret that sentence!
> >
> >>David
>
> --
> In article <85ir3802i9m@news2.newsguy.com>, doc_tavish@NOSPAMmy-deja.com
wrote:
>
>




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"Mike Kalvatis"  wrote in message
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> Sara,
>
> It is apparent that you don't spend hardly anytime with your son. You
> have a full time job and spend several a day on the internet. You care
> more about keeping a good house in a all-white neighborhood in Aurora
> then your kids. Perhaps if you would spend some time with your son
> rather then trying to exploit his illness on the web, your son would
> not have the problems he is having. Maybe also your son would not have
> problems if you had not run off with another "Aryan superman" and
> taken away your children's father. Living with a man that is not your
> children's father is a horrible example to set for them. No wonder he
> has problems.

I bet the little fellow dreads going home after school.


> When your son is done with school for the day, where is mommy? Do you
> just stuff him in a daycare until you find the time to pick him up at
> the end of the day?

> Try being a mother to your child, rather than being a bitch on usenet.

Good idea.


> Again in recap. You care more about the following then your children.
>
> 1) Work
> 2) Usenet/Internet
> 3) Your dog, McVay names your dog but removes your children's names
> 4) Your Aryan Superman
> 5) Your House
> 6) Yourself (who you care the most about)
>
> The way I see it, your kids are your 7th priority in life.. Probably
> even lower than that.
>
> Every minute you spend on usenet is time taken away from your
> children. But I know, you care more about yourself and being a usenet
> bitch than you care about your children.
>
>
> Mike
>

It might be a good idea to alert the boy's real dad to this issue.





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"Mike Kalvatis"  wrote in message
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> I think you are lying, according to the Census bureau,  your zip code
> is 98 percent white. 80013 correct?
>
> 1990 Census figures for 80013..
> White.... 39033
> Black... 417
> Asian...  1481
>
> Why don't you move into a mostly black neighborhood and save some
> money to help your children out? Houses are much cheaper in Denver
> south of Colfax Blvd. You won't do it because you are racist. You
> really don't want to live around blacks do you? most liberals are the
> same way, they always seem to live in all-white parts of town.
>
> Your sons developmental problems are a result to you taking the boys
> father away from him. You are to blame for that slut. You boy would
> could overcome his problems if you would go back to the boy's father
> instead of walking out on him and shacking up with an Aryan superman.
> It shows a lack a character to just dismiss the father as meaning
> nothing to the development of your child.
>
>
> On 13 Mar 2000 09:15:16 EST, catamont@concentric.net (Sara Salzman)
> wrote:
>
> >In article , Mike Kalvatis
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Sara,
> >>
> >>It is apparent that you don't spend hardly anytime with your son. You
> >>have a full time job and spend several a day on the internet.
> >
> >
> >My full-time job is performed at home. I am always at home when my
children are.
> >
> >>You care
> >>more about keeping a good house in a all-white neighborhood in Aurora
> >>then your kids.
> >
> >4 of the nine families on my street are black. Two are Asian.
>
> I doubt it, probably lying again.
>
>
> >
> >>Perhaps if you would spend some time with your son
> >>rather then trying to exploit his illness on the web, your son would
> >>not have the problems he is having.
> >
> >You have absolutely no idea how much time I spend with my son. Perhaps if
> >you stopped making ridiculous assumptions, there miught be a tad more
> >respect for you.
>
> Well, you posting on this newsgroup proves you are not spending time
> with him. Maybe if you take your face out of the computer, and take
> care of your boy yourself, he be better off. But then again, you put
> yourself above him by running off with another man and shitting on the
> father. You could be at the school right now volunteering. But you
> rather exploit your children on usenet instead of helping them.
> >
> >>Maybe also your son would not have
> >>problems if you had not run off with another "Aryan superman" and
> >>taken away your children's father. Living with a man that is not your
> >>children's father is a horrible example to set for them. No wonder he
> >>has problems.
> >>
> >
> >For the last time, my son's disability is developmental. It has nothing
to
> >do with whether I am happily married or not.
>
> It has everything to do with that. By taking away the boy's father,
> you have made his life that much more difficult. God damn you Sara.
> Really, you are a piece of shit. The fact that you set a horrible
> example for your child, effects his emotional being.

You're right Mike. It pisses me off to see a parent neglect their children.
Do you have the number for DHS in her area?



> >>When your son is done with school for the day, where is mommy? Do you
> >>just stuff him in a daycare until you find the time to pick him up at
> >>the end of the day?
> >
> >Good question! When my son is done with school for the day, I am waiting
> >at home for him. Neither of my children spend a second in day care. You
> >sound like you've been listening to too much Dr. Laura.
>
> Yea right..... You could spend more time with him if you get off your
> lazy butt and pick him up from school, or even better, home school
> him.
> >
> >Maybe if you knew anything about my life, you'd be in a position to offer
> >opinions. As it is, you are completely wrong about everything you've
said.
> >
> >Sara
>
> I don't think so. Does your ex know you are exploiting your children
> on usenet?
>
> Mike
>




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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
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> In article <38CCBB2B.792F076B@home.com>, Jackie Cappiello
>  wrote:
>
> >Hello, Mike,
> >
> >First of all, a question to you as an ex-Jew, please complete "Locha
> >dodi ..."
> >Them, there is no "problem" with Sara's son.  His IQ is higher than that
> >of most revisionists, obviously, and the syndrome Sara mentioned is one
> >he shares with one of the late, but great, pianists Glenn Gould.
> >
> Thanks, Jackie. I didn't realise Glenn Gould has Aspergers.
>
> Of course, one of the ironies here is that Aspergers was first diagnosed
> by an Austrian physician before the war, and his research was ignored in
> America for that very reason.
>
> It's estimated that more than 1 in 1,000 people have some form of
> Apergers. My son is doing remarkably well, thanks to careful treatment and
> a great deal of one-on-one.
>
> He's on the Honor Roll, is taking courses three or four years above his
> grade level, and is preparing for his Bar Mitzva. We're rather delighted
> that his Toah portion is "Justice, justice, shall you pursue." Rather
> fitting in this context, don't you think?
>
> Sara
>
I don't believe you.




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"Mike Kalvatis"  wrote in message
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> On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:53:56 GMT, "Anti-Nazi"
>  wrote:
>
>
> >
> >You're right Mike. It pisses me off to see a parent neglect their
children.
> >Do you have the number for DHS in her area?
> >
> >
>
> My wife can get it, she is a social worker. I'll email it to you.
>
> Mike

Thanks Mike.




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An Open Letter from an Israeli Writer to the American Jewry

AIPAC, ADL: STAY OUT OF ISRAELI AFFAIRS

By Yaacov Goldstein

ISRAEL - One of the major issues of the American-Israeli Jewish dialogue
has always been whether it is permissible for American Jews to intervene in
domestic Israeli political matters. American Jews have always claimed that
since they have stuck their neck out for Israel by urging its government to
support and defend the State of Israel, and thus this entitles them to "be
involved" in Israeli domestic issues- whether the issue be about whether
Israel should relinquish strategic territories or if non-orthodox streams
of Judaism should be deemed equal to orthodoxy.

Never, but never, have Israeli Jews ever given their opinion on American
Jews and the way American Jewry involves itself in Israeli affairs.

Until now. As an Israeli Jew, I abhor the interference that American Jewish
organizations such as AIPAC have in Israeli affairs. It is not good for
Israel, for American Jews, nor for the average American citizen.

When AIPAC sets out its goal to defeat American senators and congressman
based on nothing more than on their views of the Middle East and how
"friendly they are towards Israel" it is stacking the deck. It is not fair
to any American citizen running for office to be disqualified (which is
what AIPAC does;disqualifies legitimate politicians based strictly on their
"view of Israel") according to on what AIPAC decides.

This is fundamentally undemocratic as AIPAC has rigged the game by only
giving the American voter those candidates who have "clean Israeli views"
records. American citizens may be denied good politicians to serve them
because of these politicians' attitude towards Israel. This is wrong.

As an Israeli, it matters not the least to me whether a particular
politician has an "anti-Israel bias." I don't want AIPAC to censure these
people. I want to hear what they have to say and engage them. They have no
real power to harm Israel, so why should Israel and American Jews be afraid
of some American politicians who may not be so nice to Israel? I want to
know the reasons why people don't approve of Israel's policies.

I don't want AIPAC disqualifying those candidates based on "what's good for
Israel." Who gave AIPAC the right to speak on Israeli Jewry's behalf? The
Israeli public never approved of such power for American Jewry. By telling
American citizens "we, not the Israeli government, will decide who is able
to serve in your halls of democracy" this organization has become so
powerful that it is beyond the control of the Israeli government.

There shouldn't be any representative of the Israeli people in America
other than the Israeli government. Israel, as a foreign country, has every
right to lobby the US government, to try and influence congressmen and
senators to "see things their way" and to do everything in their power to
safeguard Israel's interests. This is legitimate and to be expected of the
Israeli government. However American Jews are not representatives of the
Israeli government and have no right to speak on behalf of Israel -
whatever the situation.

If American Jews disengaged hemselves from Israel by liquidating AIPAC,
they would no longer be burdened by accusations of "dual loyalty" and not
be held responsible for every act of the Israeli government. When Israeli
policies come under attack in the US it shouldn't be the responsibility of
AIPAC to answer the charges, but solely representatives of the Israeli
government.

Israel doesn't need AIPAC to represent it. If Israel has a problem it can
turn directly to the US government. If it wants military or economic aid it
doesn't need AIPAC to make these requests. It doesn't need AIPAC for
anything. There is no American Turkey Political Action Committee, or
American Greek Political Action Committee. Why then must there be an
American Israel Political Action Committee? As an Israeli citizen I hereby
declare to the American Jew to get the H out of my conflict and stop
representing the Israeli state. Nobody elected or empowered AIPAC to do the
things they do.

I don't care if anti-Semites say about how this statement, coming from a
Jew, is harmful. I am not talking to them. I am talking to my dear American
co-religionists and pleading with them to take a closer look at their
entire relationship with Israel. Look at how reserved British Jews are when
it comes to Israel. There is no British Jewish organization that goes
around England and ensures that any politician with anti-Israel views, will
not get elected. Yet that is exactly what the Jews in America, through the
organization of AIPAC, do. They raise the odds in their favor. Censure and
burial of opposition to Israel is bad for Israel. We need to know exactly
who is against Israel, and why.

Even if a politician is against Israeli policies, that shouldn't mean he is
not allowed to run for office or face defeat. Yet that is exactly what
AIPAC does - it ensures that politicians with anti-Israel views are either
disqualified from running for office or removed from office. This is wrong
and needs to be stopped.

What would change tomorrow if AIPAC disappeared? Israel would suffer no
real loss if she was denied "American Jewish support" or "American
government support." The threat to Israel of such a possibility is highly
overstated. Israel is strong because its people have a will to survive and
an army to back it up. Nothing American Jews do, with all of their money
and influence, really matters in the long run to Israel's survival. If
AIPAC disappeared tomorrow and anti-Israel candidates suddenly appeared in
public office, nothing would fundamentally change in Israel's strategic
position. Israel will not be weakened due to the appearance of a bunch of
anti-Israel American politicians. Israel still deservedly enjoys major
support amongst a vast cross-section of the American public.

The only difference would be would be that "Israeli policies" would be
discussed in more seminars and lectures and a lot of these speakers would
be anti-Israel. Big deal. A bunch of people 10,000 miles away from the
conflict, pontificating what they think Israel should do to solve her
political conflict with the Palestinians is meaningless anyway.

How many Israeli Jews even care that these American politicians are "upset
with their politicians" and give a damn what these people think. It is only
AIPAC which are telling us these people are "grave threats to Israel" and
need to be stopped. They are not and all the money that is spend defeating
these politicians is a huge waste of American Jewish funds which should go
towards Jewish education and not towards media campaigns against
politicians who may hold anti-Israel views.

There are many Israeli politicians who are "anti-American" and resent
American politicians for waving fingers of disapproval at Israeli leaders
and for approving pro-Arab policies. So what! This doesn't threaten the
welfare of American citizens. Why is it any different when it comes to
American politicians' views about Israel?

Let's assume that as a result of more "anti-Israeli" politicians being in
power in the US, US administration policy or the Congress or Senate's view
of Israel, becomes negative. Again, so what! So the US government won't be
our great friend and Israel will have to get along fighting its own battles
and cosy up to other western countries for friendship. So Israel will have
to learn how to balance her state budget and not expect a yearly stipend
>from the US taxpayer. Such changes may be the best thing that could have
happened to this country.

Here is the message for my dear American brethren. Stop wasting your time
and money on defeating your politicians based on what their view of Israel
is. Let Israelis deal with that. Only representatives of the Israeli
government, have the right to defend themselves against political
opponents. If these politicians want to come to Israel to rabblerouse, the
Israeli government can refuse them entry. End of story. There is no need
for AIPAC.

While this may be none of my business, I would also recommend you rethink
about the purpose of another one of your Jewish organizations, the ADL.

Like AIPAC, the ADL disqualifies people based on their views. If the ADL
decides that a certain writer or speaker is "anti-semitic," the goal is to
completely deligitimize and disqualify that person from giving their views.

This is undemocratic. Speaking as a former American Jew, when I lived in
the US, I couldn't give a hoot whether a person was an anti- semite.
Anti-semites rarely cause any serious physical damage to Jews. I don't want
the ADL telling me that I can't listen to this person's views on Jews. As a
Jew, I want to know exactly why this person is offended by my people.
Perhaps they are ill-informed. Perhaps they believe things that aren't
true. Whatever the reason, I want to know it. I don't want ADL to censure
these people so I am not able to hear their opinions. This is wrong. The
ADL does to "accused" anti-semites what AIPAC does to "accused"
anti-Israelites.

Regardless of what ADL says, being anti-Israel doesn't necessarily make one
anti-semitic. Most ultimately are, but it isn't necessarily so. People
should be "allowed" to be anti-Israel just like they should be "allowed" to
be anti-Jewish. If American Jews are offended by what some Americans think
of Jews, they should confront them, not deligitimize them and malign their
characters.

Yet this is exactly what ADL does. The goal of the organization is to
destroy the reputations of those it deems to be anti-Semitic. A good
example is what the ADL did to the John Birch organization in the early
l960's. Because of the opposition this organization had to Henry Kissinger,
the ADL attacked it as being anti-Semitic. I for one have personal
knowledge of this organization and its leadership. I have friends at the
highest level of the John Birch Society and they are definitely not
anti-Jewish. In fact, they are strong supporters of Israel. In the 20 years
I have been associated with this organization I have never, ever,
experienced even a hint of anti-Jewish sentiments. Yet because the ADL
"shmutzed" this organization more than 30 years ago, it has unjustly been
labeled as being "anti-Semitic." Such is the power of ADL.

This isn't to say that there aren't real anti-Semites in America. But so
what if they are? How much harm can they do? ADL spends vast fortunes to
try and convince American Jews and the American public in general, that
anti-Semitism is rampant in America and a real threat to the established
order. It isn't. Whatever real anti-Jewish sentiment there is, it is quite
marginalized and harmless.

When was the last time a Jew died in America as a result of an anti-Semitic
attack?  Where is this big threat of anti-Semitism that ADL has been
telling us for years exists? If there is a threat of anti-Semitic violence
against Jews, local and national law enforcement agencies can certainly
deal with these hate crimes.

What ADL is responsible for is equating anti-Semitism with racism, and
racism with anti-Semitism. Racism in America, black versus white, is a far
bigger problem to contend with than anti-Semitism. What ADL does, however,
is put the two together diluting racism by combining it with anti-Semitism
and making racism a "Jewish issue."

While there is certainly room in America for a Jewish organization to
ensure that Jews are not discriminated against, to monitor anti-Semitic
actions and report them to the proper law enforcement agencies, there is no
room for an organization like ADL which takes it upon itself to smear
certain individuals and organizations, and to whip up paranoia about how
anti-Semitism in America is rampant and poses a mortal threat to American
Jews.

Like AIPAC, American Jewry would be a lot better off with(out) an ADL.
--------
Yaacov Godstein is an Israeli writer.






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26 June 1998: The Washington post has an article about a spammer named
Michael Ragland who was fined and charged with trespassing for forging email
>from a local politician. See article "Fake E-Mail Brings Real Trouble"

Michael Ragland
18252 Old Triangle Road
Triangle
VA 22172

FAKE E-MAIL BRINGS REAL TROUBLE; PRINCE WILLIAM MAN FINED FOR `SPOOFING'
COUNTY EXECUTIVE
LEEF SMITH
WASHINGTON POST STAFF WRITER
Thursday, June 25, 1998 ; Page D08
Section: Metro
Word Count: 503

At first glance, the e-mail from Prince William County Executive Bern Ewert
looked like any other piece of correspondence.

MAN FACES SECOND CHARGE RELATED TO E-MAIL
TARA MACK
WASHINGTON POST STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, May 20, 1998 ; Page V03
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Word Count: 241

A Triangle man is scheduled to be arraigned today on a second charge related
to an e-mail he sent in which he pretended to be County Executive Bern
Ewert, Prince William County police said.


MAN ALLEGEDLY POSED AS EWERT IN E-MAIL
LEEF SMITH
Wednesday, May 13, 1998 ; Page V12
Section: Prince William Extra
Word Count: 147

A 32-year-old Triangle man has been charged with assuming the name of
another person to send a county employee a piece of e-mail made to look as
though it was written by County Executive Bern Ewert, Prince William County
police said.


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 wrote in message news:8alnnp$t8p$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Mr. Ellis:
> The information from the media sources you site is accurate.
-----------
I know.
----------

How it has
> relevance to this forum is only known to you. My assessment, however,
> is you are compiling information (a dossier if you will) on your
> enemies.
----------------
I have no enemies.
--------------

You let them know you are doing this so intimidation is also a
> goal.
----------------------------
Are you saying "truth = intimidation"?
------------------------------

Furthermore, by posting information on your enemies you seek to
> entice those who sympathize with your cause to drink from your well.
-----------------
I own no wells.
---------------
> What you are doing is dangerous Mr. Ellis. That is not a challenge or
> threat but a statement of fact.
------------------
Then why say it?
------------------
I certainly pose no threat to you but
> you've engaged in this "tactic" of revealing personal information on
> several other of your "enemies".
---------------------------
It is public information.

I have no enemies.
-------------------------


It is possible eventually you'll step
> on the wrong toes or somebody acting on information which you've posted
> hurts or kills somebody and you'll find the trail leads to you.

-----------------
Are you drunk?
----------------
It's
> obvious you don't care and perhaps are even excited by such
> possibilities.

-----------------------------
Anything is possible.

I am a caring and loving person.
-------------------------------

You also apparently think you can continue your net
> stalking activities with relative impunity.

-----------------------------------
I stalk no one...you have me confused with sara.
-----------------------------------

I hope you're wrong. I hope
> enough people, such as Sara Salzmann, has enough courage to repeatedly
> report your illegal activity on alt.revisionism and if you go too
> far...put steel handcuffs around you hands and legs and sentence you to
> life in prison.
------------------------
What illegal activity?

I believe you're the one who is well aquainted with the law and handcuffs.
---------------------------------------------


One thing is sure Mr. Ellis and that is one day you'll
> be dead and the world will be a better place.

---------------------------------
We are all born to die...no escaping it.
-----------------------------------

>   Although under no obligation to explain my "fake letter" which I
> sent to hundreds of county residents I will point out the County has
> never released the contents of that letter to the press.

------------------------------
I have a copy of the contents.
----------------------------------

Part of the
> reason they didn't is because if they had people would have laughed
> hysterically.
----------------------------------------
Were you laughing when the cops came after you?
-------------------------------------------------

The bogus email was a parody of County Executive Bern
> Ewert who incidentally I helped get rid of as well as Chairman Kathleen
> Seefeldt (but that is another story and you won't find that in the
> papers).

-----------------------------------
I have snailed mailed a copy of your posting to:

Bern Ewert

Kathleen Seefeldt
-----------------------------


Because I used the County Executive's real name although the
> email address I used was an obvious parody (burnewert@webtv.net) I was
> charged with impersonation. I admitted my guilt to this in the papers
> before I ever went to court. The computer trespassing charge, which was
> dropped, was ludicrous because (a) I was using a WebTv not a computer
> and (b) the email addresses I attained and emailed were publicly
> accessible via the internet.
--------------------------------------
You pled guilty ...to late to defend yourself.
-----------------------------------

>   I'm somewhat honored Mr. Ellis you've gone to the trouble to hunt
> down this information regarding me.
-----------------------------
The why are you bitching about it?
-----------------------------

I, however, have no interest in
> your personal life.
--------------------------------
Good...I am not a homosexual.
------------------------------

I do have an interest in the level of your
> political activity and I plan on contacting Nizkor to see what they
> know that I already don't.
---------------
Good Luck!
----------------


>
> Michael Ragland - Ex-Con
> In article ,
> "Anti-Nazi"  wrote:
> >
> > 26 June 1998: The Washington post has an article about a spammer named
> > Michael Ragland who was fined and charged with trespassing for
> forging email
> > from a local politician. See article "Fake E-Mail Brings Real Trouble"
> >
> > Michael Ragland
> > 18252 Old Triangle Road
> > Triangle
> > VA 22172
> >
> > FAKE E-MAIL BRINGS REAL TROUBLE; PRINCE WILLIAM MAN FINED FOR
> `SPOOFING'
> > COUNTY EXECUTIVE
> > LEEF SMITH
> > WASHINGTON POST STAFF WRITER
> > Thursday, June 25, 1998 ; Page D08
> > Section: Metro
> > Word Count: 503
> >
> > At first glance, the e-mail from Prince William County Executive Bern
> Ewert
> > looked like any other piece of correspondence.
> >
> > MAN FACES SECOND CHARGE RELATED TO E-MAIL
> > TARA MACK
> > WASHINGTON POST STAFF WRITER
> > Wednesday, May 20, 1998 ; Page V03
> > Section: Prince William Extra
> > Word Count: 241
> >
> > A Triangle man is scheduled to be arraigned today on a second charge
> related
> > to an e-mail he sent in which he pretended to be County Executive Bern
> > Ewert, Prince William County police said.
> >
> > MAN ALLEGEDLY POSED AS EWERT IN E-MAIL
> > LEEF SMITH
> > Wednesday, May 13, 1998 ; Page V12
> > Section: Prince William Extra
> > Word Count: 147
> >
> > A 32-year-old Triangle man has been charged with assuming the name of
> > another person to send a county employee a piece of e-mail made to
> look as
> > though it was written by County Executive Bern Ewert, Prince William
> County
> > police said.
> >
> > For the complete stories listed above please send a request to:
> >
> > ed@thundernet.org
> >
> >
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.




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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
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> In article , Mike Kalvatis
>  wrote:
>
> >E-mail mimic pleads guilty
> >
>
> Mr. Kalvatis!!
>
> THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS!!
>
> You have now acknowledged that Don Ellis' use of our names is a criminal
> offense.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Sara
>
Mike Kalvatis...a federal judge?

hahaha




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I killfiled the jerk weeks ago.


"Jacob Gassman"  wrote in message
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> Has anyone else noticed that Buck Turgidson never has anything intelligent
to say?  This Buck person seems to be obsessedd with deviant and illegal
sexual activities, which is really very boring.  He's just your run of the
mill deviant:  dull witted, repetitious, uncreative, unlearned, useless to
society, and makes himself a pest.
>
>
> Whaat!!! Have you tried The Doghouse??! Get your FREE WEB-BASED EMAIL
account at:
> http://doghousemail.lycos.com




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"Michael Ragland"  wrote in message
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> Mr. Pohl:
>
Impostor e-mailed message



By CHRISTINE C. IWAN

Journal staff writer


A local school official who thought she received an electronic communication
>from the county executive actually had an e-mail from a pretender, police
say.


A police search of the home of Michael Ragland of the 18200 block of Old
Triangle Road led police to charge the Triangle man with allegedly
impersonating Prince William County Executive Henry ``Bern'' Ewert. An
additional warrant was issued Tuesday by the commonwealth with computer
trespassing, Commonwealth's Attorney Paul Ebert said.


Police say an electronic letter bearing Ewert's name made its way through
the county computer network from the school board to the board of
supervisors to the Prince William County Police, who began investigating the
communication's origin.


Ragland said the e-mail was intended as a parody to expose Ewert's past
employment history and was done in an extremely sacrastic tone. He did not
expect the e-mail to be taken seriously or to have officials file charges,
he said.


``Did I impersonate him?'' Ragland said. ``In terms of the law, I'm guilty
as charged, but the intent behind the letter was noble.''


Ragland said he had been trying to publicize Ewert's history by sending
several pages of past articles to the press, but was getting no response. He
said he needed to get this information out and thought a ``parody of
leadership'' was a feasible way.


``The bottom line is, I made a mistake,'' Ragland said. ```I'm willing to
issue a public apology to Ewert.''


Police say the e-mail address, burnewertwebtv.net, from which the letter
originated, was obtained by Ragland, who allegedly used the name to pose as
the county executive in an electronic letter delivered to local residents.


``Our office is aware that it was sent out,'' said county spokesperson Kathy
Bentz. ``We were faxed a copy two or three weeks ago.''


Bentz described the e-mail as an open letter to Prince William County
residents that talked extensively about Ewert's time as Galveston City's
interim manager. Bentz said the letter, which definitely was not written by
Ewert, misrepresented the official.


Ewert couldn't be reached for comment Tuesday.


Officers who searched Ragland's apartment seized articles from the Galveston
County Daily News newspaper, computer disks, a Web TV bill, Web TV receiver,
keyboard and instruction books and copies of messages to Virginia Delegates
Robert Marshall, Harry Parrish and Michele McQuigg.


Marshall said although he didn't see the e-mail, he is generally concerned
anyone might have the ability to impersonate an elected official.


``This is the kind of stuff I'm trying to introduce into legislation,''
Marshall said. ``It's very easy to do this with e-mail. You can piggyback
stuff all over the place.''


County Attorney Sharon Pandak said with computer literacy going up and use
of the Internet increasing, potential misuse also is increasing.


``Certainly the county, along with firms, corporations and individuals, are
concerned about the misuse of the Internet,'' Pandak said.


One expert said there continues to be an increase in Internet fraud,
including misusing names, credit card scams and get-rich-quick schemes. With
new people logging on every day, con artists always have a fresh crop of
green Internet users to feed on, Southern Methodist University law professor
Janet Argland said.


``People using the Internet for several years wouldn't fall for this
stuff,'' Argland said.


Ebert said the charge of unlawful name change against Ragland carries a
maximum penalty of $500. The second warrant for computer tresspassing
carries a maximum sentence of 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine. Computer
trespassing can be a felony charge if malicious intent can be proved, but
Ebert said he is pursuing only a misdemeanor charge.


``[These misuses] are very concerning,'' Ebert said. ``The capabilities with
these new communications are discriminating and damaging to everyone and
misleading to the people who read it.''






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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
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> In article <8aolh0$r4n$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>, ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (John Baglow) wrote:
>
> >John Morris (John.Morris@UAlberta.CA) writes:
> >
> >>>Has anyone else noticed that Buck Turgidson never has anything
> >>>intelligent to say?  This Buck person seems to be obsessedd with
> >>>deviant and illegal sexual activities, which is really very
> >>>boring.  He's just your run of the mill deviant:  dull witted,
> >>>repetitious, uncreative, unlearned, useless to society, and
> >>>makes himself a pest.
> >>
> >> Sounds like you are describing Don Ellis.
> >
> >
> >Nope. My money's on Mike Kalvatis, alias "Brimstone."
> >
>
> Except that Donnie Ellis *IS* Brimstone. Whether he is Kalvatis or not
> seems to be a bit of a mystery, although they spend a lot of time talking
> to each other, which is common between Don Ellis and his sock-puppets.
>
> Sara
>
>
Sara the shitty mom is also John Morris




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"Michael Ragland"  wrote in message
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> Mr. Ellis:
>
> You have no enemies?

--------------------------
Correct...I have no enemies. I am admired by everyone.
-----------------------------------------

You're website, profanities, defamations, and
> misappropriating other posters names in the subheaders of your posts to
> a.r indicate otherwise.


----------------------------
The American Guardian publishes only the truth.
-------------------------------



No, "truth does not = intimidation". You ask
> "what illegal activity" you've enagaged in on a.r. Absolutely none. In
> the eyes of the law you're as clean as a whistle. Why do I say this?
> Because Ms. Salzmann and likely others have complained and you continue
> to post on a.r.

---------------------
Salzman complains about everything...System Admins ignore her.
---------------------------------



You've got a clean bill of legal health Mr. Ellis. You
> know that already and I'm letting you know it. So I retract my statement
> about your activity on a.r being illegal. This is not an apology but a
> retraction...I trust you know the difference between the two.

-------------------------
It is an act of weakness or defeat.
------------------------

I
> personally find your obscenities, posting names and addresses of other
> posters on a.r., and misappropriating other posters names in the
> subheaders of your posts, to be unethical.

------------------------------------
Damn...I thought that was part of alt.revisionism.
-----------------------------------------

Never once have I read where
> you have admitted to these things let alone apologized and desisted from
> it. Instead, you deny.

------------------------------------------
What would you do? Pled guilty and wait 2 years to defend yourself?
-----------------------------------------

>     You own no wells?

------------------------------------
No...I do not. I am not in the oil business.
----------------------------------------

I'm not interested in whether you own any wells on
> your land or have well water. My statement, "Furthermore, by posting
> information on your enemies you seek to entice those who sympathize with
> your cause to drink from your well" is a metaphor. You do know what a
> metaphor is, don't you?

------------------------------
I don't deal in metaphors.
---------------------------


But to attempt to make it crystal clear for you,
> by posting personal information on other posters and stating if any
> interested persons would like the full documentation to email you, you
> are using the personal information you post on others as an enticement
> to email you.

-------------------------------
Not true. I am not ed@thundernet.org
----------------------------------------


>     In the past you've shown a tendency to take comments by other
> posters and see them as a challenge or a threat (no Mr. Ellis I don't
> have such posts referenced here. Will you deny this as well?)

-------------------------------------
I have no idea what you're talking about.
-------------------------------------

I wanted
> to try to get you to see the seriousness and dangerousness of your
> actions on a.r. posting other people's names, addresses on a.r. (a vain
> attempt but one my conscience demanded nevertheless.

-------------------------------------------
Is this a side effect from your medication?
-----------------------------------------

>    Yes, it is public information Mr. Ellis but why are you posting it?
> If you have no enemies why are you posting it?

---------------------
They are my friends.
--------------------

>     Why do you ask me if I was drunk when I posted the message you
> responded to? As you stated "Anything is  possible". That statement of
> yours was in response to the possibility you might be excited by the
> possibility of a wacko using the personal information you've posted and
> hurting or killing somebody.

-------------------
Are you on drugs?
------------------

Of course, you then state, "I am a caring
> and loving person."

-------------
Yes...I am.
-----------


That's like stating you're a really good person but
> an evil person in the same breath.

--------------
I am not evil.
------------

Doesn't make any rational sense.
>     You stalk nobody?

--------------
I do not stalk.
--------------

Then why are you posting posters addresses and
> names on a.r. Why are you posting any scap of public information you can
> find on another poster.
-----------------------
That is not stalking.
---------------------


I should say you don't post public information
> on every poster Mr. Ellis but only one's you select for a variety of
> reasons.
------------------------
I am a selective person.
------------------------

What are those reasons?

--------------------------------
I am not a random kind of guy.
--------------------------------

You're not a police officer Mr. Ellis.

---------------------------------------
I wonder what that silver badge is for?
--------------------------------------

> It's not your job to determine if somebody has broken the law or may
> break the law.

-----------------------------------------------
That depends on if they are on my property.
---------------------------------------------

If you have evidence somebody is going to break the law
> you contact your police department or the FBI; you don't post the names
> and addresses of others on a newsgroup.

---------------------------
You just shot by me here.
--------------------------

>     I'm not well acquainted with the law and handcuffs. I've never spent
> a day of my life in a  jail. No, Mr. Ellis I wasn't laughing when the
> cops came after me.

---------------------------
What kind of bird can't fly?
(a) A jail bird
--------------------------

Fortunately I wasn't home when they ransacked my
> place and threatened to bash the door down.

-------------------------------------
If you were not there.......... then who was?
-------------------------------------

>     You can email anything you want to Bern Ewert and Kathleen Seefeldt,
> including images of a man shitting on another man's penis, a mustached
> man with a helping of turds in his mouth, and a man underneath a black
> portable toilet seat with a shit covered skull looking face and brown
> teeth protruding. All from your website Mr. Ellis

-----------------------------------------------
It would be much easier for me to send the URL.
----------------------------------------------
.
>     I know the complexities of the law may be too much for you.

------------------------------
That is what lawyers are for.
-----------------------------

Two
> charges were filed against me. One for impersonation, which I pled
> guilty too, and computer trespassing (which was bogus) but pled guilty
> too under a plea bargain and was dropped after six months of good
> behavior.

-------------------------------------------
If it was bogus...why did you pled guilty? You were guilty as hell and you
know it.
------------------------------------------

I did defend myself...I had a lawyer..not a court appointed

-------------------------------------------
Tell your lawyer you want your money back.
---------------------------------------------

> flunkie or a good ole boy from the county...and I had a few people in
> very high places looking out for me.

-----------------------------
Alot of good they did. Friends like that who needs enemies.
----------------------------


>     As for Mr. McVay, you're dead on target with your statement, "Good
> Luck!". He knows absolutely nothing

------------------------------------------------------
Tell me something new. nothing from nothing is Ken McVay
------------------------------------------------------

and speaks only for himself.

---------------------------
Don't forget Sara Slutman
-------------------------

> Furthermore, he's Canadian which also limits information he has.

------------------------------------
It's his own fault he is a sorry ass canadian.
------------------------------------------

There
> are, however, innumerable groups in the US which may know something
> about American Guardian

--------------------------------
try the FBI office in Little Rock.
--------------------------------

 and Hatewatch.com

--------
SOLD!
---------

or whatever domain it is using
> now.

---------------
Coming Soon.
--------------

Wish me Good Luck!

------------------
Try a rabbits foot.
------------------


> Michael Ragland
>




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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
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> In article , Mike Kalvatis
>  wrote:
>
> >Notice today that they are begging for money big time. I bet Don broke
> >their bank when they paid him off.
> >
> >Mike
>
> Mike Kalvatis must OF failed second grade.
> Sara
>
>
Your retarded kid is still there.

Don




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"Fledgist"  wrote in message
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> >----------------
> >I have no enemies.
> >--------------
> >
>
> But none of your friends like you.
> Fagano Ledgister


I am loved by everyone.

Don




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"Fledgist"  wrote in message
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> >
> >
> >Mike Kalvatis  wrote:
> >
> >[...]
> >>The way I see it, your kids are your 7th priority in life.. Probably
> >>even lower than that.
> >[...]
> >
> >the way I see it, this attack you are mounting on her has absolutely
> >nothing to do wth revisionism at all.
> >
> >What is your justification for it?  Correction, what do you *claim* is
> >your justification - because I can see none.
> >
> >What do you hope to gain? She won't go away you know. Se will keep
> >arguing against you, quite rightly.
> >
>
> Fergus, it is clear that you belong to the human race. Next time I'm in
your
> neck of the woods I'll stand you a pint.
> Fagano Ledgister


I'll stand you a pint.??

You been hanging out with Sara's Kid?




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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
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>
> Hey, Mr. Ellis! How many points did you get on your license for that
> speeding ticket?
>
> SARA
>
Which speeding ticket?




BTW....How is the little retard doing?




From postmaster@thundernet.org Fri Mar 17 11:49:13 EST 2000
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E-mailer lands in lock up

By CHRISTINE C. IWAN

Journal staff writer


Police arrested a Triangle man Saturday for the second time for allegedly
sending electronic mail under the identity of a local elected official.


Michael Ragland of the 18200 block of Old Triangle Road was arrested on a
misdemeanor charge of electronic trespassing after the commonwealth's
attorney's office issued an arrest warrant May 12.


This second charge against Ragland followed allegations he sent an e-mail to
at least one county resident claiming to be Prince William County Executive
Henry ``Bern'' Ewert. Police first charged Ragland with unlawful name
change.


Police said the e-mail address, burnewertwebtv.net, from which the letter
originated, was obtained by Ragland, along with at least one other e-mail
address from WebTV. The charge said the text of the message concerned
Ewert's past employment in Texas and was written in the first person ``I.''


Both the commonwealth's attorney's office and County Attorney Sharon Pandak
said they would not release the letter because it is being used as evidence
in Ragland's case.


Ewert's secretary said he would not comment on the pending charges.


Commonwealth's Attorney Paul Ebert said the charge of unlawful name change
carries a maximum penalty of $500.


The computer trespassing charge carries a maximum sentence of 12 months in
jail and a $2,500 fine. Computer trespassing can be a felony charge if
malicious intent can be proved, but Ebert said he is pursuing only a
misdemeanor charge.


Suspicions were raised about the letter when Aertie Patterson, the vice
principal at Brentsville District High School, read the April 22 e-mail with
Ewert's name attached as a signature.


She contacted county supervisors, who eventually called police to inform
them Ewert did not generate the letter.


In an interview with The Journal last week, Ragland admitted he had sent the
letter, but claimed his intentions were ``noble.''


Ragland, who said he has been trying to get the media to look into the year
Ewert was the acting city manager of Galveston, Texas, offered to give Ewert
a public apology for any harm he might have caused.


Ragland was released Saturday on a $500 bond. His hearing on the trespassing
charge is June 30.




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From postmaster@thundernet.org Fri Mar 17 11:49:14 EST 2000
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Opening soon is a new anti-revisionism BIOS web site.

See where the anti-revisionist:

- Lives

- Works

- Schools

- Shop

View the many images of their:

- Homes

- Cars

- Children

Read facts about their:

- History

- Lovers

- Sex lives

- Medical Records

- Criminal Records

- -April 25 2000....You'll laugh, cry and puke.






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"John Morris pretending to be Jeffery brown." 
wrote in message news:cvq3dso79onocoglvv0saqb5oj0jnrgrt9@4ax.com...
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> In <38D14A99.C53E3666@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Thu, 16
> Mar 2000 20:56:57 +0000, David E Michael
>  wrote:
>
> >John Morris wrote:
>
> >> In <38D11D36.3DA88A17@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Thu,
> >> 16 Mar 2000 17:43:19 +0000, David E Michael
> >>  wrote:
>
> >> [snip]
>
> >> >I received an interesting email recently. I quote it in full as
> >> >it is obviously a fake:
>
> >> An incredibly clumsy forgery, David.  None even close to
> >> convincing.
>
> >Indeed.
>
> I suppose you will make it look more convincing next time.
>
> >> [snip]
>
> >> >The message is 'we are watching you'. And I'm sure they are.
>
> >> The real message is "David Michael disappears for a couple of days
> >> and hopes that we will have forgotten that he is the kind of scum
> >> who posts home telephone numbers and that we will believe his
> >> clumsy forgery shows that he is the real victim."
>
> >You're the one who propounded the notion that it's OK to post
> >personal information scavenged from other parts of the Net, Mr
> >Morris.
>
> You are incapable of telling the truth.
>
> > I merely
> >practised what you preached.
>
> I have never preached any such thing, Pig.
>
> > I'd like to live in a world where we all
> >confined our contributions to academic discussions of philosophical
> >points but it takes two to tango.
>
> You are a pig who has never advanced an honest argument in this
> newsgroup.  Your sole aim has been to whitewash Hitler to promote
> your sick philosophy of hate.
>
> >> >But I don't mind.
>
> >> Of course not. But what were you really contacting the PI for?
>
> >The email in question arrived out of the blue one morning.
>
> You are lying.


Morris pretending to be Jeffery brown.


> > My initial
> >thought was that it was a forgery from Professor Frame. However it
> >also occurred to me that the PI in question would probably not have
> >been able to track me from phone books or electoral registers and so
> >might have sent me the email in the hope that I'd ring him up and
> >ask 'what is all this about?' -- thereby enabling him to do a 1471
> >on me. The other possibility is that it was genuine and was sent to
> >the wrong email address -- it appears that secretaries sometimes do
> >that sort of thing. I just ignored it.
>
> You are lying.  You are the forger.  There are no depths of depravity
> to which you will not stoop.


Morris pretending to be Jeffery brown.


> You are a pig.  The truly horrifying thing is that you believe in
> your own morality.
>
> - --
>  John Morris                                
>  at University of Alberta  
>
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From postmaster@thundernet.org Fri Mar 17 11:49:15 EST 2000
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"John Morris"  wrote in message
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>
> "Now methinks."  What hopeless prat.  What a useless Nazi piece of
> shit you are.  You won't complain.  You're too much of a coward.
>
>
> You've lost, David.
>
> - --
>  John Morris                                
>  at University of Alberta  
>

Maybe David didn't complain....but you can bet other people have.




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Kenneth McVay are you a homosexual?




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"David E Michael"  wrote in message
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>
>
> Buck Turgidson wrote:
>
> >
> > A better website is Donnie Ellis's American Guardian website. It
displays the
> > mindset and fixation of your usual rabid racist bigot: wallowing and
reveling,
> > as always, in piles of shit.
> >


Here is Buck the Fag claiming that homosexuals are a Race! My stats show
that Bucky Boy views the perversions listed at the American Guardian at
least once a day. I guess that shit turns him on.

> > -- --Dep
> >
> > "Always tell the truth. It's the      "Truth is just...truth. You can't
> >   easiest thing to remember."        have opinions about truth."
> >                    --David Mamet                          --Peter
Schickele
> >
> > Like short-haired women? Snotty comments? Penguins?
> > http://members.aol.com/deppitybob/shlu/PAGEONE.html
>
> Correct me if I am wrong, Mr Murphy, but didn't you at one time display an
> interest in newsgroups dedicated to . . . er . . . well . . . um . . .
human
> fertilizer?
>
> Yes or no?
>
> David
>
> On 5 February 2000 William Daffer wrote: 'total honesty isn't required'.
>
> On 21 November 1998 Scot Murphy wrote: 'Yes, these are newsgroups I lurked
> through--though never contributed to'.
>
> On 30 January 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'I must admit I have at times
done
> revisionist postings to confuse others and help the anti-revisionist side.
How so,
> well I've stated the Nazis killed millions of Jews but Hitler didn't know
about
> it! I realize that by  acknowledging the Nazis killed millions of Jew,
even if I
> have demonstrated there is no proof Hitler knew about the extermination, I
have
> caused some damage to revisionists.'
>
> On 8 February 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'Sometimes telling half-truths,
white
> lies, etc. is important for self-preservation and to achieve certain
ends.'
>




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"David E Michael"  wrote in message
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>
>
> Buck Turgidson wrote:
>
> > David E Michael wrote:
> >
> > > John Morris wrote:
> > >
> > > > In <38D1BED3.947B7061@spider.com> in alt.revisionism, on Fri, 17 Mar
> > > > 2000 05:12:52 +0000, David Michael  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >DO NOT CONTACT THESE PEOPLE WITHOUT THEIR AGREEMENT
> > > > >THEY ARE ENTITLED TO PRIVACY
> > > >
> > > > If you really believed that you would have posted their names and
> > > > addresses.  This is simply a transparent gambit to hide your
intention
> > > > to intimidate your opponents where you could not win in debate.
> > > >
> > > > It is a confession of failure.
> > > >
> > > > >THIS IS FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION ONLY IN CASE THEY COMMIT OFFENCES
> > > > >PLEASE CORRECT ANY WRONG DETAILS
> > > >
> > > > In the unlikely event that anyone on the list commits a criminal
> > > > offence, the appropriate course of action would be to complain to
the
> > > > police who can obtain court orders to get the same information.
> > > >
> > > > David, the only virtue of your compiling and posting this list is
that
> > > > it reveals that Nazis have not changed from the ruthless thugs they
> > > > have always been.
> > > >
> > > > You lose.  Again.
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >  John Morris

> > > >  at University of Alberta  
> > >
> > > Hmmmm. Now methinks that this little bit of forgery and defamation
> > > deserves to be complained about to the University of Alberta.
> > >
> > > What say you, Mr Morris? Shall it be abuse@UAlberta.CA, Dr Reimer, or
your
> > > vice chancellor? Or all three?
> >
> > Thank you for proving Mr. Morris's point, thug.
> >
> > -- --Dep
> >
> > "Always tell the truth. It's the      "Truth is just...truth. You can't
> >   easiest thing to remember."        have opinions about truth."
> >                    --David Mamet                          --Peter
Schickele
> >
> > Like short-haired women? Snotty comments? Penguins?
> > http://members.aol.com/deppitybob/shlu/PAGEONE.html
>
> Oooooooh! Look what has crawled out of its hole. Come to tell us more
'truth'
> have ya? Like 'I didn't post to those newsgroups'?
>
> David
>


I have the dirty bastard on killfile but sometimes he slips by. You ever
notice how the shit loving fag never has anything to say about revisionism.

> On 5 February 2000 William Daffer wrote: 'total honesty isn't required'.
>
> On 21 November 1998 Scot Murphy wrote: 'Yes, these are newsgroups I lurked
> through--though never contributed to'.
>
> On 30 January 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'I must admit I have at times
done
> revisionist postings to confuse others and help the anti-revisionist side.
How
> so, well I've stated the Nazis killed millions of Jews but Hitler didn't
know
> about it! I realize that by  acknowledging the Nazis killed millions of
Jew,
> even if I have demonstrated there is no proof Hitler knew about the
> extermination, I have caused some damage to revisionists.'
>
> On 8 February 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'Sometimes telling half-truths,
white
> lies, etc. is important for self-preservation and to achieve certain
ends.'
>




From postmaster@thundernet.org Tue Mar 21 13:20:24 EST 2000
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"Charles R Ward"  wrote in message
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> "Anti-Nazi"  wrote:
>
> > Opening soon is a new anti-revisionism BIOS web site.
>
> Is Dr. Michael going to do your page for you, he seems to like it.
>
> Charles R Ward

Dr. Michael is not involved in the processing of this new web site.


Don




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Dear Nutcase,

  As much as I admire Brimstone's postings, I cannot take credit for them.

Don

 wrote in message news:8atjmc$khm$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Mr. Ellis:
> You apparently think that posting this old newspaper article on me
> every time I post to somebody will dissuade them from answering my
> posts or taking my ideas seriously. Given how most people are ie.
> sheepish cowards, your tactic will be somewhat successful. How
> successful remains to be seen.
> Michael Ragland
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> In article <1df24724.d6a2ce9d@usw-ex0102-015.remarq.com>,
> Brimstone  wrote:
> > Impostor e-mailed message
> >
> > By CHRISTINE C. IWAN
> >
> > Journal staff writer
> >
> > A Manassas, Va., school official who thought she received an
> > electronic communication from the county executive actually had
> > an e-mail from a pretender, police said.
> >
> > A police search of the home of Michael Ragland of Dumfries, Va.,
> > led police to charge him with impersonating Prince William
> > County Executive Henry ``Bern'' Ewert. An additional warrant was
> > issued Tuesday by the commonwealth with computer trespassing,
> > Commonwealth's Attorney Paul Ebert said.
> >
> > Police say an electronic letter bearing Ewert's name made its
> > way through the county computer network from the school board to
> > the board of supervisors to the Prince William County police,
> > who began investigating the communication's origin.
> >
> > Ragland said the e-mail was intended as a parody to expose
> > Ewert's employment history and was done in an extremely
> > sarcastic tone. He did not expect the e-mail to be taken
> > seriously or to have officials file charges, he said.
> >
> > ``Did I impersonate him?'' Ragland said. ``In terms of the law,
> > I'm guilty as charged, but the intent behind the letter was
> > noble.''
> >
> > Ragland said he had been trying to publicize Ewert's history by
> > sending several pages of past articles to the press, but was
> > getting no response. He said he needed to get this information
> > out and thought a ``parody of leadership'' was a feasible way.
> >
> > ``The bottom line is, I made a mistake,'' Ragland said. ``I'm
> > willing to issue a public apology to Ewert.''
> >
> > County spokeswoman Kathy Bentz described the e-mail as an open
> > letter to Prince William County residents that talked
> > extensively about Ewert's time as Galveston City's interim
> > manager and misrepresented him.
> >
> > Ewert couldn't be reached for comment Tuesday.
> >
> > Officers who searched Ragland's apartment seized articles from
> > the Galveston County Daily News newspaper, computer disks, a Web
> > TV bill, Web TV receiver, keyboard and instruction books and
> > copies of messages to Virginia Dels. Robert Marshall, Harry
> > Parrish and Michele McQuigg.
> >
> > Marshall said although he didn't see the e-mail, he is generally
> > concerned anyone might have the ability to impersonate an
> > elected official.
> >
> > ``It's very easy to do this with e-mail. You can piggyback stuff
> > all over the place,'' he said.
> >
> > Prince William County Attorney Sharon Pandak said with computer
> > literacy going up and use of the Internet increasing, potential
> > misuse also is increasing.
> >
> > ``Certainly the county, along with firms, corporations and
> > individuals, are concerned about the misuse of the Internet,''
> > Pandak said.
> >
> > One expert said there continues to be an increase in Internet
> > fraud, including misusing names, credit card scams and get-rich-
> > quick schemes. With new people logging on every day, con artists
> > always have a fresh crop of green Internet users to feed on,
> > Southern Methodist University law professor Janet Argland said.
> >
> > ``People using the Internet for several years wouldn't fall for
> > this stuff,'' Argland said.
> >
> > Ebert said the charge of unlawful name change against Ragland
> > carries a maximum penalty of $500. The second warrant for
> > computer trespassing carries a maximum sentence of 12 months in
> > jail and a $2,500 fine. Computer trespassing can be a felony
> > charge if malicious intent can be proved, but Ebert said he is
> > pursuing only a misdemeanor charge.
> >
> > ``[These misuses] are very concerning,'' Ebert said. ``The
> > capabilities with these new communications are discriminating
> > and damaging to everyone and misleading to the people who read
> > it.''
> >
> > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion
> Network *
> > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet -
> Free!
> >
> >
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.




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"Stephen R Gould"  wrote in message
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> "David E Michael"  wrote in message
> news:38D3A42B.85660E19@btinternet.com...
> >
> >
> > However, it's the anti-revisionists who started that little game is it
> not?
> > Would you have us sit quietly back and suffer in silence without any
> > response?
> >
> I'm impressed by the speed with which you vacated the moral high ground -
it
> must be instinctive.
>
> SRG
>
Somehow you've managed to confuse the high ground with a pile of shit.


anti-nazi
Don Ellis




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"Mike Kalvatis"  wrote in message
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> Buck, your an idiot. Learn how to read headers before making yourself
> look like a bigger ass than you already are.
>
> God bless Don Ellis.
>
> Mike
> ex-Jew
>
Mike, that is why I killfiled the bastard. The dumbass really believes he
knows something. What an idiot.


Thanks for the Blessing......

Glad to see you've broken away from the cult. How many jews can you put in a
VW?




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This is a real child molester:

Fag Joel's Brother

Hart Rosenberg
295 Cider Brook Rd
Avon, CT 06001-2849
(860)677-1747




"Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
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>
> Don Ellis, a rotund nutcase from Star City AK, pretending to be "Mike
> Kalvatis"  wrote in message
> news:9s67ds84fhmdb1k4td8cjmvhjq64gdo4l4@4ax.com...
> > Buck, your an idiot. Learn how to read headers before making yourself
> > look like a bigger ass than you already are.
>
> Donnie, you might want to learn a new characteristic typo before exposing
> another one of your sockpuppets.
>
> Hee hee hee.
>
>
>




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"David E Michael"  wrote in message
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>
>
> Sara Salzman wrote:
>
> > In article , "Anti-Nazi"
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >"Stephen R Gould"  wrote in message
> > >news:szOA4.8435$mf.644410@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > >> "David E Michael"  wrote in message
> > >> news:38D3A42B.85660E19@btinternet.com...
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > However, it's the anti-revisionists who started that little game is
it
> > >> not?
> > >> > Would you have us sit quietly back and suffer in silence without
any
> > >> > response?
> > >> >
> > >> I'm impressed by the speed with which you vacated the moral high
ground -
> > >it
> > >> must be instinctive.
> > >>
> > >> SRG
> > >>
> > >Somehow you've managed to confuse the high ground with a pile of shit.
> > >
> > >
> > >anti-nazi
> > >Don Ellis
> >
> > Piles of shit being something Mr. Ellis has personally acquainted
himself
> > with on so many occasions.
> >
> > Sara
> >
> > --
> > In article <85ir3802i9m@news2.newsguy.com>, doc_tavish@NOSPAMmy-deja.com
wrote:
> >
> > Calling me a "nazi-boy" is as much of defamation as you can make.
> > As for FACTS- I have what I need. You can count on it "Fatbroad".
>
> Let the reader note that Ms Salzman is a lady who recently spent several
posts
> wailing because someone asked her in this newsgroup how her kids were, and
actually
> named the kids. It then emerged that Ms Salzman herself had brought the
names into
> the public domain, Mr McVay had posted them on the Nizkor website, and
they'd
> sneakily removed the names after Ms Salzman decided to pretend she had no
idea how
> the names got on the Internet.
>
> David
>

Let's not forget how she managed to piss several system adimns off with her
constant e-mail spamming campaign. Or how she brought up the fact her son is
a retard. Her threats to file lawsuits. Showing her sexual desires of Doc
Tavish by stalking him.(and she wonders why Doc is sick) The only piles of
shit I ever come into contact with are the ones who slip through my
killfiles. That includes you fat bitch.


Don

> On 5 February 2000 William Daffer wrote: 'total honesty isn't required'.
>
> On 21 November 1998 Scot Murphy wrote: 'Yes, these are newsgroups I lurked
> through--though never contributed to'.
>
> On 30 January 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'I must admit I have at times
done
> revisionist postings to confuse others and help the anti-revisionist side.
How so,
> well I've stated the Nazis killed millions of Jews but Hitler didn't know
about it!
> I realize that by  acknowledging the Nazis killed millions of Jew, even if
I have
> demonstrated there is no proof Hitler knew about the extermination, I have
caused
> some damage to revisionists.'
>
> On 8 February 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'Sometimes telling half-truths,
white
> lies, etc. is important for self-preservation and to achieve certain
ends.'
>
>




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"Fledgist"  wrote in message
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> >
> >
> >fledgist@aol.comkillspam (Fledgist) wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>>fledgist@aol.comkillspam (Fledgist) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Still evading.
> >>>>
> >>>>No, you merely don't like my answer.
> >>>
> >>>It is an evasion.
> >>
> >>Nope.
> >
> >Then my response to you isn't either.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Here's another for you then. If you move to the Highlands of
> >>>>>Scotland,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>will you become a Highland Scot? If so, how long do you have
to
> >>>live
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>there before the transformation takes place?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Is Scotland an independent country?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Again, this is an evasion. You seem to be saying that there is
no
> >>>such
> >>>>>>>>>>>thing as a Scot.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>No. I'm asking if Scotland is an independent country?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Yes, in a union, but a separate country. It is in the EC as well,
so
> >>>>>>>>>are the French Scottish? The Germans Greeks?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Is Scotland an independent country?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Not entirely since the act of Union. But it is devolving even as we
> >>>>>>>speak. So, you seem to be saying that all Europeans are the same,
as
> >>>>>>>common laws apply to all.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>No. I'm asking a question. You seem to have a hard time
understanding
> >the
> >>>>>>concept of "question".  Now, let me ask again, is Scotland an
> >independent
> >>>>>>country? Note, the alternatives are "yes" and "no" not "not
entirely".
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Fleg, I asked my guestion first, I think.
> >>>>
> >>>>You're ducking.
> >>>
> >>>No, swanning, you're the ducker!
> >>
> >>You seem to be having difficulty with answering the question.
> >
> >As do you the one I asked first.
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>Ok, to be even more simple, is there such a thing as a
Scotsman,
> >>>given
> >>>>>>>>>>>that there is a union between Scotland and England.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Yes. And that includes Scots whose ancestors came from Gujerat.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I do not know of any of these Gujerati Scotsmen. Only Gujerati
> >British
> >>>>>>>>>citizens who happen to live in Scotland.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>You mean that they can't be Scots? Have you told Alex Salmond
this? He
> >>>>>>>appears
> >>>>>>>>to think they are.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Can I be a Norwegian? It's an independent country.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Yes, you can.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>How?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>It's called "naturalization".
> >>>
> >>>That will make me a Norwegian citizen. Not a real Norwegian.
> >>>>
> >>
> >>You'd be as Norwegian as the king.
> >
> >But not as Norwegian as a Viking.
> >
>
>
> The ghosts of Swedish and Danish vikings will haunt you.
>
> Fragano Ledgister


I just located you....researching now.


Don




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"Anonymous remailer"  wrote in message
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> If the Holocaust has proof then why do all you believers have to
>
> answer revisonist posts with smart aleck comments and insults and
>
> not facts?  Do tell.
>

It's the best they have to offer?

Don




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"David E Michael"  wrote in message
news:38D5D2B2.F0C15F22@btinternet.com...
>
>
> Gord McFee wrote:
>
> > In <38D44090.FEC38531@btinternet.com>, on Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:50:57
> > +0000, David E Michael  wrote:
> >
> > > sjw wrote:
> > >
> > > > Anti-Nazi wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Charles R Ward"  wrote in message
> > > > > news:srkFhsjbQ6mK-pn2-yidTU3NnVHPr@localhost...
> > > > > > "Anti-Nazi"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Opening soon is a new anti-revisionism BIOS web site.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is Dr. Michael going to do your page for you, he seems to like
it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Charles R Ward
> > > > >
> > > > > Dr. Michael is not involved in the processing of this new web
site.
> > > > >
> > > > > Don
> > > >
> > > > Suuuuuuuuuurrrrrrre!
> > > >
> > > > Steve Wolk
> > >
> > > I can no more design a Web page than you can advance an argument.
> >
> > No one said you were designing the web page.
> >
> > Are you, have you or will you contribute to it in any way?
> >
> > --
> > Gord McFee
> > I'll write no line before its time
> >
> > Visit the Holocaust History Project
> > http://www.holocaust-history.org
> >
> > Visit the Nizkor site
> > http://www.nizkor.org
>
> Oh no! You've taken me out of your killfile!
>


They really admire you David.


> The honest answer is 'no', I have never contributed to it and am not
> contributing to it. As to whether I will contribute to it -- that is Mr
> Ellis's decision, not mine.


Most of the information I have collected is sent to me from lurkers on this
newsgroup. So keep it coming, send your data to don@thundernet.org


Don


>
> David
>
> On 5 February 2000 William Daffer wrote: 'total honesty isn't required'.
>
> On 21 November 1998 Scot Murphy wrote: 'Yes, these are newsgroups I lurked
> through--though never contributed to'.
>
> On 30 January 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'I must admit I have at times
done
> revisionist postings to confuse others and help the anti-revisionist side.
How
> so, well I've stated the Nazis killed millions of Jews but Hitler didn't
know
> about it! I realize that by  acknowledging the Nazis killed millions of
Jew,
> even if I have demonstrated there is no proof Hitler knew about the
> extermination, I have caused some damage to revisionists.'
>
> On 8 February 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'Sometimes telling half-truths,
> white lies, etc. is important for self-preservation and to achieve certain
> ends.'
>




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Revisionist,

 Help us select a name for our new exciting web site. This web site will
feature BIOS on all our favorite anti-revisionists.

 We still need more information on several hoaxters, so keep the data
coming.

Send to don@thundernet.org


Don




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DO NOT CONTACT THESE PEOPLE WITHOUT THEIR AGREEMENT
THEY ARE ENTITLED TO PRIVACY
THIS IS FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION ONLY IN CASE THEY COMMIT OFFENCES
PLEASE CORRECT ANY WRONG DETAILS

Mike Curtis
2700 Valley Springs Road
Austin
TX 78746-4631
Tel 512-347-9087

Employment address for Mike Curtis
Time and Again Books
3100 Jeanne Marie Court
Austin
TX 78745
Tel 512-282-2430

Yale F. Edeiken
465 W Linden St
Allentown
PA 18102-3453
Tel 610-435-2623

Alternative address for Yale Edeiken
Yale F. Edeiken
1590 Alta Dr
Allentown
Pennsylvania

Tel 610 435-9820

Employment address for Yale Edeiken
Todd Miller and Associates
41 N 5th Street
Allentown
PA 18101-1605

Tel 610 434-1533

Grant Frame ('Nazihunter')
360 Ridelle Avenue
Toronto
Canada
ON M6B

Tel 416-782-9949

Employment address for Grant Frame

Grant Frame
Department of Near and Middle Eastern Civilizations
4 Bancroft Avenue
Toronto, Ontario
Canada
M5S 1C1

Tel 416-978-3305
Fax 416-978-3305

David Gorski
Cancer Institute of New Jersey
195 Little Albany St
New Brunswick NJ
08901-1977

Another address for David Gorski

David Gorski
53 W Jackson Blvd
Chicago
IL 60604-3606

Tel 312 427 1610

Eugene Holman
Harjukatu 6 B 48
00500 Helsinki
Finland

Tel +358 9 1912 3154
Tel +358 9 1912 3072

Ed Kadach
108 St NW 6903
Edmonton
AB T6H 2Z7
Canada

Tel 780 431 2645
Tel 780 436 6759

Daniel Keren
1930 E 17th St
Brooklyn
NY 11229-3408
United States

Tel 718 375 6419

Golan Klinger (alias 'Falco') (Nizkor director, owner of Nizkor website,
founder and director of Vex.net, board member Icomm, director The Cain
Gang)
263 Adelaide Street West
Suite 400
Toronto
Ontario

416-966-0461

Alternative address for Golan Klinger

c/o Vex.net (or c/o The Cain Gang)
207 Gamble Avenue
Toronto
Ontario
Canada
M4J 2P4

Tel. 416-425-1212

Email addresses for Golan Klinger: falco@vex.net falco@update.com
Previous email addresses for Golan Klinger: falco@io.org
falco@reptiles.org

Fragano Ledgister
Morehead, KY 40351
f.ledgis@morehead-st.edu

Tel. (606)784-7421

Gord McFee
609 Noble Cresc
Ottawa
Ontario
K1V 7J1

Tel 613 731 1150

Ken McVay
No. 462-1150 North Terminal Ave
Nanaimo
British Columbia
Canada

Tel 604 382 0615

Another address for Ken McVay

Ken McVay
1B Systems Management Ltd
5-1601 Bowen Road
Nanaimo
British Columbia
BCV9S 1G7
Canada

Tel 604 758 2499

Hilary Ostrov
71 Jameson Court
New Westminster
Vancouver
Canada

Tel 604 525 3055

Michael Ragland
18252 Old Triangle Road
Triangle
VA 22172

Tel 703 361 5256

Joel (and Felicia) Rosenberg
Minneapolis
MN 55401

Tel 612 822 2415

Irene Rosenberg
1 Bathcrescent Lane
Bloomfield
CT 06002-2155

Tel 860 423 2729

Hart Rosenberg
295 Cider Brook Rd
Avon, CT 06001-2849

Tel. 860 677 1747

Sara Salzman
4015 S Killarney Way
Aurora
CO 80013
United States

Tel 303 617 9412

Steven (and Anna) Wolk
991 Fawn Dr
Southampton, PA 18966

Tel.  215 357 4007
Tel. 215 322 9251




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E-mail mimic pleads guilty

By CHRISTINE C. IWAN Journal staff writer


A Prince William County General District Court judge accepted a guilty plea
>from a Triangle man accused of the e-mail impersonation of County Executive
Henry "Bern" Ewert.


Michael Ragland admitted he assumed the name of another person, which
resulted in a $200 fine. He also pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor
computer trespassing charge that will be dropped in six months if he
demonstrates good behavior and continues to attend mental health counseling.
If he violates the terms of the plea, the judge could sentence Ragland to 12
months in jail and a $2,500 fine.


Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney John Notarianni came to General District
Court to deal with Ragland's case and said there will be no trial because of
the no contest plea, but "if [Ragland] screws up" there will be an automatic
conviction.

Ragland appeared in court with his mother and spoke openly to the media, as
he has done in the past.






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E-mail mimic pleads guilty

By CHRISTINE C. IWAN Journal staff writer


A Prince William County General District Court judge accepted a guilty plea
>from a Triangle man accused of the e-mail impersonation of County Executive
Henry "Bern" Ewert.


Michael Ragland admitted he assumed the name of another person, which
resulted in a $200 fine. He also pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor
computer trespassing charge that will be dropped in six months if he
demonstrates good behavior and continues to attend mental health counseling.
If he violates the terms of the plea, the judge could sentence Ragland to 12
months in jail and a $2,500 fine.


Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney John Notarianni came to General District
Court to deal with Ragland's case and said there will be no trial because of
the no contest plea, but "if [Ragland] screws up" there will be an automatic
conviction.

Ragland appeared in court with his mother and spoke openly to the media, as
he has done in the past.

"Michael Ragland"  wrote in message
news:3409-38D70367-80@storefull-627.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> Mr. Pohl:
>
> You have the honor of introducing me to the world of rich comparative
> genocide studies. Never forget it was a Polish Jewish historiam who in
> 1944 set the "original" concept of genocide in his work, "1944 Axis Rule
> in Occupied Europe". Actually, upon doing a little research you're ideas
> are neither unique or new although they made lead to unexplored areas.
> I'm sure you've already seen this website but I would encourage those
> who are "intellectuals" (which would automatically disqualify two-thirds
> of a.r.) to go to http://www2.hawaii.edu/~rummel/
> or
> http://www2.hawaii.edu/~rummel/20TH.HTM
>
> I think John Morris pointed out to you alt.revisionism (a.r.) is partly
> about fighting hatred on the internet, specifically denial of the
> Holocaust. It is not an acdemic forum for comparitive genocide studies.
> Why you have chosen this forum to air your ideas I will leave to the
> reader.
>
> Mr. Pohl, in your posts on a.r. you've gone beyond merely citing
> possible similarities between Stalin's treatment of ethnic groups and
> the Shoa. You've conceded you think the Shoa should be put in
> comparative context and as I pointed out that is not rare today. Indeed,
> this is a burgeoning academic field. If I truly thought your and others
> comparative genocide research would just lead to a heightened awareness
> the Nazis were not alone in committing genocide, I could be comforted.
> But I don't implicitly believe that. In gist, I think there are many
> people with axes to grind and the field of comparative genocide research
> offers an excellent opportunity for that.
>
> I think sometimes people in academia are insulated somewhat from the
> rest of the world i.e. ivory towers and they don't fully appreciate how
> their ideas will possibly be misused by others. I'm not familar with
> your work well enough to make a judgement call here but I will say you
> are skating on very thin ice Mr. Pohl.
>
> From my perspective you've identified with your ethnic group in
> researching comparative genocide studies. In comparing Soviet atrocities
> to the Nazis, you've made it no secret you think Soviet atrocities were
> quantitatvely, if not qualitatively, worse. You made an interesting
> statement. You said, "I assure you I have not identified with either the
> Stalin or Hitler regime. If you recall these two regimes were allies
> from 1939-1941, the first two years of WWII in Europe. They jointly
> partitioned and occupied Poland. In response the UK declared war on
> Germany, but not the USSR." In my view, the main reason Hitler formed an
> alliance with the Soviet Union was so he would not have to intially
> fight a two front war. Those two countries were never "allies" really
> Mr. Pohl and you should know that. Hitler was merely biding his time and
> when he felt the moment was right unleashed Operation Barbarossa. Hitler
> was bent on dominating Europe, if not the whole world. Nazi Germany
> ignored treaties; it reoccupied the Rhineland, rearmed to the teeth, was
> allowed to rape Czechoslovakia, and marched into Austria. It then
> invaded Poland and the British finally said "enough is enough". Although
> Stalin was a monster Nazi Germany at the time in history posed more of a
> threat to civilization.
>
> I have not read Vahkn Dadrian's "History of Armenian Genocide". I do
> know he thinks the Germans were complicit in the Turkish genocide of
> Armenians. In an earlier post weeks ago I mentioned Hitler even used the
> Armernian genocide and the lack of response to it as a justification for
> his own exterminationist policies.
>
> You state, "Making the Shoa incomparable clearly serves the interest of
> the perpetrators of genocide." Can you elaborate on that? What is your
> basis for that assertion? For the record, I don't have a problem with
> comparative genocide studies in and of itself. I do have a problem with
> the possibility that comparative genocide studies may be used to
> minimize the Holocaust and give support to a general antisemitic
> ideology.
>
> Michael Ragland
>
>
>




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E-mail mimic pleads guilty

By CHRISTINE C. IWAN Journal staff writer


A Prince William County General District Court judge accepted a guilty plea
>from a Triangle man accused of the e-mail impersonation of County Executive
Henry "Bern" Ewert.


Michael Ragland admitted he assumed the name of another person, which
resulted in a $200 fine. He also pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor
computer trespassing charge that will be dropped in six months if he
demonstrates good behavior and continues to attend mental health counseling.
If he violates the terms of the plea, the judge could sentence Ragland to 12
months in jail and a $2,500 fine.


Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney John Notarianni came to General District
Court to deal with Ragland's case and said there will be no trial because of
the no contest plea, but "if [Ragland] screws up" there will be an automatic
conviction.

Ragland appeared in court with his mother and spoke openly to the media, as
he has done in the past.

 wrote in message news:8b5io4$h1g$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> What are you talking about? You don't know what you're talking about.
> Before I ever obtained a lawyer and went to court I admitted my guilt
> to the newspapers. Anybody knows it dum to admit your guilt to a crime,
> let alone in the newspapers where thousands of people can read it. My
> lawyer even stated it was a poor move on my part to admit my guilt to
> the press. Ironically, I think it helped me because it demonstrated I
> was honest in admitting my guilt and was sorry. People don't respect a
> person who commits a crime but they especially don't have respect for
> somebody who pretends to be innocent when they're guilty. And the first
> thing lawyers tell people often, even if they are guilty, is to plead
> innocent. Most people who commit a crime don't take responsibility for
> it. As for my supporting convicted criminals I have no idea what you're
> talking about.
>
> Michael Ragland
>
>
>
> In article <75lads84l6r0er99sgnqev39mkjjtsa6bu@4ax.com>,
> Mike Kalvatis  wrote:
> > forgiveness yes, forget no.
> >
> > Ragland only apologized for his crimes to get out of prison. But seem
> > to have no problem accepting convicted criminals when they support
> > your views...
> >
> > Mike
> > ex-Jew
> >
> >
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.




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"Ed Kadach"  wrote in message
news:38D82055.490F@connect.ab.ca...
> Anonymous remailer wrote:
> >
> > AFTER A BIT OF A DELAY, A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR IN THE
> > ESSEX AREA HAS BEEN RETAINED TO OBTAIN RELEVANT PRIVATE
> > AND PERSONAL INFORMATION ON DAVID MICHAEL. THIS WILL BE
> > PROMPTLY POSTED ON NAZIHUNTER'S DAVID MICHAEL PAGE.
> >
> > www.homestead.com/nazihunt
>
>
> 88 hits already and there is nothing on it, let it remain
> that way.
>
> Ed Kadach

Ed talking to himself.




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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
news:catamont-2103000845590001@ts011d05.den-co.concentric.net...
> Mr. Bradbury:
>
> When my computer crashed, it seemed to have put the sig line back in. I
> apoligise, I said I would delete it, and I thought I had.


"apoligise"? It also fucked up your spell checker...or is that one of your
idiot's new words?



> Thank you for pointing this out, although your tone and manner leave
> something to be desired.
>
> I have deleted the sig again, and I hope it won't re-appear. As you
> probably know, with Newswatcher you don't see the sig appear on a post, so
> I didn't realise it had returned.
>
> Sara
>
> In article <8b6t7a02kca@news1.newsguy.com>, doc_tavish@NOSPAMmy-deja.com
wrote:
>
> >From: catamont@concentric.net (Sara Salzman)
> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.activism,
> >alt.politics.white-power
> >Subject: Re: Donating to hatewatch.org = donating to Don Ellis
> >Date: 20 Mar 2000 21:10:09 EST
> >Organization: Concentric Internet Services
> >Message-ID: 
> >
> >On 20-Mar-2000, catamont@concentric.net (Sara Salzman) wrote:
> >
> >> In article , Mike Kalvatis
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> >As you all know, hatewatch.org paid Don Ellis a huge undisclosed sum
> >> >of money to acquire the domain of hatewatch.com....
> >
> >> We don't know any such thing. Please provide proof of this "huge" sum
> of money.
> >
> >> > However, it appears that Goldman is now in financial trouble so
> please donate
> >> > to Hatewatch so that Don can recieve the rest of his money from
Goldman.
> >> >
> >> >The more you donate to hatewatch.org, the more you donate to Don
> >> >Ellis. Please help support hatewatch.org. Don needs the money
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >ex-Jew
> >
> >> In article <85ir3802i9m@news2.newsguy.com>,
doc_tavish@NOSPAMmy-deja.com
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >> Calling me a "nazi-boy" is as much of defamation as you can make.
> >> As for FACTS- I have what I need. You can count on it "Fatbroad".
> >
> >Just for the record now. I thought you said that you were going to stop
> using the
> >above as a sig line. I know I said you could BUT you said you wouldn't!
> Not good
> >at keeping your word are you? Is this a classic example of how Jews keep
their
> >word or vows? Remember the Kol Nidre Didi?
> >
> >Compare your sig line above to the exact words you said just some three
or so
> >weeks ago!
> >
> >http://x39.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=592704993&fmt=text
> >Subject: Re: Public Apology In Order to Sara Salzman and Concentric Net
> >aka Re: Sara Once Again Falsely Attributes Words to Me. Please Stop this
> >Abuse and Her Stalking
> >Date: 03/03/2000
> >Author: Sara Salzman 
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >You did say concerning the above sig line did you not?:
> >>> Based on this apology from Scott Bradbury, I have removed the .sig
line
> >>> that offends him.
> >
> >I also said:
> >>You won fair and square and you answered my challenge. If you wish to
> >>keep using it then go ahead I will say nothing. I did afterall, as you
> proved, say
> >>the words you quoted me on. I never want anyone to think that I am so
> >>bullheaded that I won't admit that I was wrong. I did send the apology
> and retraction
> >>of complaint to your ISP. If you have any doubts that I did then feel
> free to FWD this
> >>message to them. I say again- you won fair and square.
> >>
> >>                        Scott Bradbury aka Doc Tavish
> >>
> >>> Sara
> >
> >Abd you behaved, in this instance, appropriately. Therefore, I have
absolutely
> >no problem in removing the offending .sig.
> >
> >More flies with honey than vinegar, Mr. Bradbury. It always works.
> >
> >Sara
> >
> >        ~~~End of DejaCom Archive~~~
> >
> >Folks just a classic living example of the Kol Nidre in practice.
> >This is the same attitude which contributes to Palestinian
> >distrust of Jews-- they say one thing and then do another!
> >I'll never ever trust Jews and their word means not one thing to me.
> >
> >To see Sara's previous struggles with the Kol Nidre issues just visit
> these links:
> >
> >http://x34.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=526920220&fmt=text
> >Subject: --Kol Nidre - Not Keeping Your Word--
> >
> >http://x23.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=527293117&fmt=text
> >Prologue of the post:
> >
> >"Many of you reading the following should make a copy of this post and
show
> >it to all your neighbors, friends, and relatives. The following gives
> exact qualified
> >proof that Jews do in fact have teachings that non-Jews do not have a
soul.
> >Sara Salzman completely deleted the material on non-Jews not having souls
> >from her reply but I restored it fully just below her feeble attempt to
> insult me. I
> >still maintain if Jews are taught they can break their word with their
> own God then
> >what worth is their word to mere man- especially those they view as not
having
> >souls? You all should very carefully weigh the full import of this post."
> >
> >                                         Doc Tavish
>
>




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"David E Michael"  wrote in message
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>
>
> sjw wrote:
>
> > Anti-Nazi wrote:
> > >
> > > "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
> > > news:catamont-2103000845590001@ts011d05.den-co.concentric.net...
> > > > Mr. Bradbury:
> > > >
> > > > When my computer crashed, it seemed to have put the sig line back
in. I
> > > > apoligise, I said I would delete it, and I thought I had.
> > >
> > > "apoligise"? It also fucked up your spell checker...or is that one of
your
> > > idiot's new words?
> >
> > Donnie Turd-sucker is wrong again.  No surprise there.  Webster's 3rd
> > New International gives 'apologise' as an alternate spelling for
> > 'apologize'.  Is that egg on your face, Donnie?  No, it's not egg.  Eggs
> > aren't brown.
> >
> > Steve
> > >
>
> Ahem. Mr Wolk, the word you used was not 'apologise'. It was 'apoligise'.
Mr
> Ellis was correct. You were incorrect. As always.
>
> David
>

Store bought eggs (commerical) are white with a yellow yoke, but fresh eggs
are several shades of brown with a orange yoke. This is because the
commerical hens are feed a liquid diet to promote egg laying. Farm hens are
feed corn (chops) plus they are allowed to feed on insects and worms. The
brown egg has a stronger flavor compared to the commerical egg. Steve is
incorrect again. As always.

Don


> On 5 February 2000 William Daffer wrote: 'total honesty isn't required'.
>
> On 21 November 1998 Scot Murphy wrote: 'Yes, these are newsgroups I lurked
> through--though never contributed to'.
>
> On 30 January 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'I must admit I have at times
done
> revisionist postings to confuse others and help the anti-revisionist side.
How
> so, well I've stated the Nazis killed millions of Jews but Hitler didn't
know
> about it! I
> realize that by acknowledging the Nazis killed millions of Jew, even if I
have
> demonstrated there is no proof Hitler knew about the extermination, I have
> caused some damage to revisionists.'
>
> On 8 February 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'Sometimes telling half-truths,
white
> lies, etc. is important for self-preservation and to achieve certain
ends.'
>
>
>




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Hey Doc, Ignore the welfare hog.


"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
news:catamont-2203001905380001@ts012d01.den-co.concentric.net...
> Nice trimming, Mr. Bradbury, but you know damned well I have never posted
> anonymously. Now show the parts you cut out.
>
> Sara
>
> In article <8bbnoe015ki@news2.newsguy.com>, doc_tavish@NOSPAMmy-deja.com
wrote:
>
> >From: catamont@concentric.net (Sara Salzman)
> >Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,
> >alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
> >Subject: Re: Sara Didi Salzman Illustrates the Kol Nidre
> >aka Re: Donating to hatewatch.org = donating to Don Ellis
> >Date: 22 Mar 2000 12:24:50 EST
> >Organization: Concentric Internet Services
> >Message-ID: 
> >
> >On 22-Mar-2000, catamont@concentric.net (Sara Salzman) wrote:
> >
> >> In article <8b9hbn0119m@news1.newsguy.com>,
doc_tavish@NOSPAMmy-deja.com
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> >On 21-Mar-2000, catamont@concentric.net (Sara Salzman) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Mr. Bradbury:
> >> >>
> >> >> When my computer crashed, it seemed to have put the sig line back
in. I
> >> >> apoligise, I said I would delete it, and I thought I had.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you for pointing this out, although your tone and manner leave
> >> >> something to be desired.
> >
> >> >I am sorry for acting like a sphincter and seeing how my arm was
> >> >painfully twisted- I accept your explanation and bear no malice. You
> wouldn't
> >> >believe who came to your defense and said "Tav I don't think that
> little Jewess
> >> >meant you no harm. Cut her some slack on this one." I couldn't turn
> him down.
> >> >If you are wondering who took up for you just scroll down.
> >
> >> >> I have deleted the sig again, and I hope it won't re-appear. As you
> >> >> probably know, with Newswatcher you don't see the sig appear on a
post, so
> >> >> I didn't realise it had returned.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sara
> >
> >> >Bruno (The Beast of Bavaria) defended you!
> >> >
> >> >                                Doc Tavish
> >
> >> Interesting. Is that the same Bruno who was going to make a new holster
> >> cover out of my skin? As in:
> >>
> >> ">Briuno eagerly awaits the day when he is able to peel your
> >> >kind like onions with his lash. I could just see the sweat
> >> >and blood spray when Bruno lays on the flay.
> >> >
> >> >In your case I wouldn't want him to damage your hide. I want a
> >> >new shade for my floor lamp and a new holster for my Desert Eagle
> >> >pistol.
> >> >
> >> >Bruno would, in your case, use electricity and the various
> >> >exploitations of body cavities with large blunt objects. :-)
> >> >
> >> >Mazel Tob you witch."
> >
> >> What has caused this chage of heart?
> >>
> >> Sara
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> -Sig currently on vacation
> >
> >Sara, Sara, Sara-- you just informed on yourself when you said Bruno said
> >all of the above toward YOU when you said (above): " Is that the same
Bruno
> >who was going to make a new holster  cover out of my skin? As in..."
> >
> >Those words were in a reply to an anonymous post! So I guess YOU were
> >the one that posted what Bruno responded to!!!
> >
> >Here is the original post and notice the words you quoted above above
> >compared to what is below!
> >
> >http://x44.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=558390093&fmt=text
> >Subject: Will Bruno Ever Have His Way and Day? Let Us All Hope So!
> >aka Re: Tavish: Queen of Cut & Paste and Paranoid Moron?
> >Date: 12/09/1999
> >Author: Tavish 
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Anonymous post.
> >>
> >> Tavish: Queen of Cut & Paste and Paranoid Moron?
> >>
> >> It's quite humorous to see "Tavish" getting so worked up
> >> about alleged forgery in his own name. After all Tavish
> >> invented cut and paste forgery-all of these "Tavish"
> >> forgeries could all be coming from him anyway.  It's
> >> especially hilarious to see Tavish's quick responses to any
> >> of these alleged incidents of forgery.  Kind of paranoid
> >> Tav? By the way, none of your forgers are Jewish.
> >
> >That is a real big lie. In all my experiences with Jews I have found that
> mainly
> >it's Jews who behave in your lunatic manner.
> >
> >> Also, Tav's comment of "reporting this to the authorities"
> >> is quite humorous.
> >
> >What would really be humorous is for American people to
> >apply severe pressure to get foreign policy changed. It
> >would only be the right thing to do for America to stop
> >being Israel's bully-boy. America needs to stop defending
> >Israel. If this were so then the Palestinians and others in
> >the Mid East would be able to "settle their accounts" with you
> >Zhids and America would no longer be known as the
> >Great Satan in the world.
> >
> >I just wonder how long it would take for the Palestinians
> >to crack the skulls of their former captors and tormentors.
> >
> >I would relish the thought of justice being exacted against
> >the evil horde that G-d has even abandoned. The temple
> >being in ruins for nearly two millenia is truthful fact that
> >Zhids are no longer G-d's chosen but they are as scripture
> >foretold "become the laughing stock of all nations.."
> >
> >> After all, don't the Jews control everything in the US, Tav?
> >> Most TRUE patriots "know" that the Jews, when they're
> >> not working on communist plots, are
> >> even in on law enforcement.  So just who are you turning to?
> >>
> >> At least he has Bruno, his "Beast of Munich"!
> >
> >Briuno eagerly awaits the day when he is able to peel your
> >kind like onions with his lash. I could just see the sweat
> >and blood spray when Bruno lays on the flay.
> >
> >In your case I wouldn't want him to damage your hide. I want a
> >new shade for my floor lamp and a new holster for my Desert Eagle pistol.
> >
> >Bruno would, in your case, use electricity and the various
> >exploitations of body cavities with large blunt objects. :-)
> >
> >Mazel Tob you witch.
> >
> >  Doc Tavish
> >
> >> Posted Anonymously.
> >
> >        ~~~End of DejaCom Archive~~~
> >
> >You have been very naughty Miss Sara. You have condemned others for
> posting anonymously in the past and here you have "told on yourself" for
> doing so.
> >
> >My Tavish cat is grinning, Bruno is laughing, I am rolling all over the
> floor laughing
> >and I just peed in my BVDs for laughing so hard! No hard feelings now!
:-)
> >
> >                        Your pal forever,
> >                        Doc Tavish
>
> --
>
> -Sig currently on vacation





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