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State Attorney Bach:  The next document is a collection of
documents following on that last instruction.  Our number is
389.  It is a document which was also shown to the Accused
and was given the number T/37(132).  All in the matter of
Jews of Argentinian citizenship.  And here we have this
order from Eichmann, which was in fact directed not only to
France, but to all Stapoleitstellen, Stapostellen, to all
commanders of the Security Police; and there are various
reports about Argentinian nationals who were arrested and
this time the reference is to the French zone only.  There
are reports about places where there are no Argentinians,
and further on there is a list of Jews who are Argentinian
nationals and who were arrested as a result of that order.

Presiding Judge: This will be marked T/501.

State Attorney Bach:  Another document - our No. 720.  Here,
to my regret, I have only the original.  We shall provide
the photocopy later.  For the time being we shall submit it
as it is, with two copies.  Roethke says: "...Since the
Italian Consulate General has in recent times repeatedly
taken a quite incomprehensible and clearly pro-Jewish
attitude, I must, in future, refuse all direct contact with
this consular representation..."

Presiding Judge: This will be marked T/502.

State Attorney Bach:  The next document - No. 951.  The
German Foreign Ministry asks the Accused for his opinion
about the proposal to appoint Du Paty de Clam as
Commissioner General for Jewish Questions in place of
Darquier de Pellepoix who has resigned.  It is pointed out
that Du Paty de Clam is the son of the officer who arrested
Captain Dreyfus at the time.

Presiding Judge: This will be marked T/503.

State Attorney Bach:  The following document is the reply,
signed by Guenther, No. 952, and in it the man's past is
described once more, whose son he is, Dreyfus is mentioned,
and there is mention of his anti-Jewish activities and that
he was a fierce opponent of England.  And it says further:
"If one is to judge by his past, clearly Du Paty is likely
to bring with him the prior qualifications for the necessary
meticulous administration of the Commission General for
Jewish Questions."

Presiding Judge: This will be marked T/504.

Judge Halevi:  What is "the French Militia"?

State Attorney Bach:  I think this was a French fascist

State Attorney Bach:  The next document points to a special
success of the Security Police and the SD in Paris.  Our
number is 243.  "This morning the Jewish children's home
'Children's Colony' in Izieu-Ain was liquidated.  Altogether
41 children aged three to thirteen were arrested.
Furthermore, it was possible to arrest the whole Jewish
staff consisting of ten persons, including five women.  Cash
or other valuables could not be seized."  In addition it
says here that the transport to Drancy will take place on 7
April  1944. Signed: Barbie.

Presiding Judge: This will be marked T/505.

State Attorney Bach:  Our number 872.  Here the Court will
again see, by the signature at the end: Knochen signed on
the right, and on the left appears the signature of Brunner,
SS Hauptsturmfuehrer.  To IVB4: Categories of Jewish persons
to be arrested.  There are plenty of details here to the
effect that always the whole family has to be arrested - all
the relatives, parents, children, brothers, sisters, small
children from children's homes.  All have to be included in
the operation and, in order to save labour and petrol, all
the Jews living near the person to be arrested have also to
be taken.

On the last page, in paragraph 8, there is mention, for the
first time, of a per head premium (Kopfgeld).  In accordance
with instructions from the Head Office for Reich Security a
prize per head may be paid for Jews who are in hiding and in
disguise.  This has to be handled on an individual basis.
The prizes must not be too high but they must be attractive.

Presiding Judge: Where is this?

State Attorney Bach:  The eighth paragraph.  "In principle
the premium must only be paid after the arrest of the Jews.
After the arrest, the cash belonging to the Jew is
determined through the card index entry.  Out of this sum
the premium is taken from the Jew and handed over to the
informer."  That is to say, the premium paid to the informer
has to be deducted from the money taken from the Jew, in
payment for the arrest of the Jews.

Judge Halevi:  What is "V-man"?

State Attorney Bach:  That is the informer.  He says that
thanks to the prizes additional labour is saved, and the V-
man, apparently Vertrauensmann (confidential agent) may be
paid immediately on his success.
[The document was marked T/506.]

State Attorney Bach:  The next document, No. 314.  Here
there was apparently a request from the Foreign Ministry
concerning a Jew named Lang, and Guenther says that, in the
interest of completion of tasks important for the war
effort, his present whereabouts will not be ascertained.

Presiding Judge: This will be marked T/507.

State Attorney Bach:  The last document relating to France
is No. 310.  It was also published in I.M.T. Volume 38, page
25.  It is the final report of what was called "M-Aktion"
(Operation M).  It deals with the seizing of property under
the instructions of Reichsleiter Rosenberg.

Presiding Judge: The activity in which this morning's
witness took part.

State Attorney Bach:  There is mention here of 69,619 Jewish
homes; of movable property comprising 1,079,373 cubic

Presiding Judge: On what page is this?

State Attorney Bach:  This appears on page 8.  After all the
listings of the looted property the number of homes is

Presiding Judge: What was the number of cubic metres?

State Attorney Bach:  "The furniture and inventory shipped
off amounts altogether to 1,079,373 cubic metres freight
capacity."  This is stated at the end of the summary.  In
order to transport this property 26,984 freight cars were
needed - 674 whole trains.  11,695,000 Reichsmarks were
collected in foreign currency and securities, and two
million kilogrammes of scrap metal, scrap paper and textiles
seized, and so on and on, furniture, etc.  And it is also
recorded how many people took part in this "achievement" as
it is called.

[This document was marked T/508.]

State Attorney Bach:  As an appendix to France, I should
also like to submit document No. 1188.  There is a small
country named Liechtenstein and the Head Office for Reich
Security has received information that there are some Jews
in Liechtenstein who still frequent a certain Cafe in
Liechtenstein,* {*In document 1188: Buchs (a neighbouring
Swiss border town)} eat there and feel comfortable there. So
Suhr, an assistant of the Accused, writes to the Foreign
Ministry that he has received information about all these
details, that the Jews still go to the Hotel "Vaduzer-Hof"
and that they "enjoy far-reaching support and assistance
with naturalization from the Government of the Principality
of Liechtenstein and also with their business activities.
This is done in particular by government Secretary Ferdinand
Nigg, who is said to belong to a Freemasons' Lodge.

     "Since the Government of the Principality of
     Liechtenstein accordingly continues to demonstrate an
     attitude friendly to the Jews, I ask you to find out
     whether there is a possibility to put an end to these
     intolerable conditions in that small country."

Presiding Judge: Was Liechtenstein occupied?

State Attorney Bach:  It was not occupied, but this makes no
difference, IVB4 is ever vigilant.

Presiding Judge: This document will be marked T/509.

State Attorney Bach:  Your Honours, I have now concluded our
evidence concerning France.  I could go on to Belgium, but I
would not object if you were to decide to continue tomorrow

Presiding Judge: Yes, this is not an easy task.

State Attorney Bach:  I could submit a few more documents
and save us time tomorrow morning.

Presiding Judge: If you are not tired.

State Attorney Bach:  No, I am not tired.

Presiding Judge: Very well, for the sake of order, let us

State Attorney Bach:  I shall later also let the Court have
a list of documents which I have submitted in connection
with France, but which are also essential in connection with
Belgium.  The Court will remember that a large number of
telegrams from the Accused referred to France as well as to
Belgium and Holland, and sometimes it is difficult to
understand the documents I now submit without reference to
the general instructions.

The first document is our number 707.  Eichmann informs the
Commanders of the Security Police in Paris, Brussels and The
Hague that he has recently received secret information that,
in many cases, Jews have acquired the identity cards of
Belgian civilian workers, and perhaps also of other foreign
civilian workers, by purchase at a high price, and that they
try to emigrate, mainly to Belgium.  He goes on to say:

     "I inform you hereof and request you to instruct the
     frontier posts to intensify measures of surveillance.
     In case of success, the Jews concerned are to be
     arrested and handed over to the competent State Police
     agency at their last place of domicile.  In case
     foreign nationals should be involved, criminal
     proceedings are to be instituted against them, and
     after they have served their penalty, protective
     custody until the end of the War must be demanded for
     them.  If the occasion arises, the measures taken are
     to be reported to this office immediately."

Presiding Judge: This document is marked T/510.

State Attorney Bach:  The next document is Prosecution
document 1344.  Dannecker drafts a letter, Knochen signs it.
He sends it to IVB4.  He refers to the meeting of
specialists for Jewish Questions of 4 March to which we have
already frequently referred.

     "It was agreed between the officers responsible for the
     Dutch, Belgian and French areas to introduce the
     designation of the Jews jointly, i.e. at the same time.
     In Holland, as well as in our area of jurisdiction, the
     preparations have already proceeded to the point where
     one can speak of coordination of all the participating

And then he says:

     "Dealing with the Jews in the occupied French areas, as
     well as in the Dutch areas, makes their designation
     urgently necessary, since otherwise real surveillance
     is impossible because of the scarcity of police forces.
     Furthermore, the designation the Jews must be effected
     simultaneously in all the occupied areas of the West,
     since it constitutes a further step on the road to the
     Final Solution of the Jewish Question."

And here follows a complaint against a man of whom we shall
hear again, SS Brigadefuehrer (Brigadier) Reder, who does
not seem to approve of the introduction of compulsory
designation - this was stated earlier.  He intends to agree
to it in his area of jurisdiction only if instructions are
received from higher authority.  And thus Knochen requests:
"I therefore suggest to inform SS Brigadefuehrer Reder
accordingly, so that there will be no further obstacles to
the arrangement envisaged."

Presiding Judge: This document is marked T/511.

State Attorney Bach:  The next document is Prosecution
document No. 753.  Bargen, who is the representative of the
Foreign Ministry in Brussels, writes to the Ministry that
the military administration is preparing to carry out the
required deportation of 10,000 Jews.  This refers to the
order I submitted in connection with the French chapter, the
order from IVB4 saying that 10,000 Jews have to be deported
from Belgium.  The military administration thinks that the
existing apprehensions can be overcome (there are fears in
various quarters that the matter may cause economic damage),
but these can be overcome, if the deportation of Belgian
Jews is avoided.  Therefore, in the first place, Polish,
Czech, Russian and other Jews will be selected, which should
suffice, theoretically, to reach the target.

Presiding Judge: Is this one of von Thadden's men?

State Attorney Bach:  I would not say von Thadden's man.
Von Thadden was again specialist Officer for Jewish
Questions in the Foreign Ministry.  Bargen was the
representative of the Foreign Ministry in Brussels, and he
keeps the Ministry informed.  It would be correct to say
that such a document, which relates to the subject of Jews,
would reach von Thadden to be dealt with by him.

Presiding Judge: This document is marked T/512.

State Attorney Bach:  The next document is Prosecution
document No. 710, a telegram from the Accused to the
Security Police and the SD in Belgium and Northern France.
The important thing here is that the telegram shows that at
that time Obersturmfuehrer Burger was also sent there, and
he is one of the men of the Accused whom we shall meet again
in various places, such as Athens and others.

Presiding Judge: This document is marked T/513.

State Attorney Bach:  And here he talks about the fact,
reported by Burger over the telephone, "that most of the
Jews in Belgium who are destined for deportation possess
Dutch or French citizenship."  Eichmann proposes to contact
the Commanders of the Security Police and the SD in Holland
and France, in order to settle the revocation of citizenship
of these Jews of Dutch and French nationality, so that his
men in Belgium will be able to deport them.

The next document is Prosecution document 759.  The same
Bargen reports again to the German Foreign Ministry.  This
time he says that the planned deportation of 10,000
stateless Jews, who are local residents, has already been
carried out.  He then describes the difficulties caused by
the help from the Belgian inhabitants, who enable Jews to
hide in their homes.  Nevertheless, he hopes that by the end
of October it will be possible to deport another 20,000
persons from Belgium.

Presiding Judge: This document is marked T/514.

State Attorney Bach:  The next document is Prosecution
document 760.  Bargen first transmits statistical figures
about the total number of Jewish inhabitants in Belgium and
reports that of these, 15,000 men, women and children have
been deported to the East.  Then he also gives a breakdown
of their nationalities.  The important thing here is the
description of the process: "First an order to report for
work was issued to those affected by the deportation via the
'Union of Jews.'  Since, however, after a while the order to
report for work was no longer obeyed because of rumours
about the slaughter of Jews, etc., the Jews were seized by
police raids and individual arrests."  This was camouflage.
The Jews were first summoned to work, and when they
reported, they were taken and sent to the extermination

Presiding Judge: Was the Foreign Ministry really more active
here than in Paris?  Why is this whole detailed report
written by a Foreign Office man?  This is new, isn't it?

State Attorney Bach:  Your Honours, I do not know exactly.
Of course we have not submitted all the Foreign Ministry
reports.  Generally speaking, there were two channels.  I
assume that Abetz in Paris also reported.  I only submitted
Abetz' papers when they contained something new or special.
Usually matters overlapped.  As a rule, the Head Office for
Reich Security outwitted the Foreign Ministry, sometimes the
Foreign Ministry would play a certain game.  But in general,
there was full reporting from both.

Presiding Judge: Do you also have documents from the SD?

State Attorney Bach:  Yes, Your Honour.  On the whole, we
found more documents of the German Foreign Ministry, because
its archives were preserved and seized in their entirety.
As for the Head Office for Reich Security, we found
documents, for instance, from Paris.  And then there are
joint reports, for instance in connection with Belgium.
Knochen and Eichmann's men in Northern France took an
interest in Belgium as well.  This was almost one single

Presiding Judge: And these are documents seized in Berlin?

State Attorney Bach:  Those from Bargen were seized in the
archives of the Foreign Ministry.

Presiding Judge: I should like to announce that to-morrow's
afternoon Session will end at 5.30 p.m., in order to leave
time for attendance at the memorial meeting for the late
State Attorney.

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