Archive/File: people/e/eichmann.adolf/transcripts/Judgment/Judgment-042 Last-Modified: 1999/05/27 133. As to the Warthe [Warthegau] district, the Accused claims that there special orders were given for the Solution of the Jewish Question, and that the authorities in that region, headed by the Reich Governor, Greiser, dealt with the matter independently, without the participation of the Accused's Section, IVB4. We do not accept this argument. It is possible that Greiser showed activity and enthusiasm of his own in bringing about the Final Solution, but one cannot conclude from this that the Warthe district was outside the jurisdiction of the Accused's Section in the RSHA. We have already spoken about deportations during the year 1939-1940 from the areas annexed to the Reich in the East and including the Warthe district, and have shown that the Accused, through his Section IVB4, directed these deportations by virtue of his central authority. The Accused's authority in the Warthe district is confirmed by him personally in his Statement to Superintendent Less (T/37, p. 3083): "Q. If so, do I understand you correctly that the district offices of the State Police (Stapoleitstellen) in the Warthe area were also subordinate to the RSHA? "A. Yes, yes, this is self-understood. "Q. And as far as Jewish matters were concerned, were these also subject to the authority of your Section? "A. This is quite clear, yes." As to the Lodz Ghetto - the second largest of all the ghettos, also situated in the Warthe district - we have mentioned Kaltenbrunner's cable dated 30 June 1943 (from the files of the Duesseldorf Gestapo). He there gives notice of a visit to be paid by the Accused to the Lodz Ghetto in connection with the deportation of Jews from there. Then, at a later stage, it seems at the beginning of 1944, the Accused's name appears as Kaltenbrunner's representative at talks about liquidating the Lodz Ghetto and turning it into a concentration camp, to be handed over to the Economic- Administrative Head Office (T/247). In another document (T/248) also, we read that the Accused took part in the preparation of a report on economic enterprises in the Lodz Ghetto, together with Horn, the manager of OSTI. From these documents, we learn that the Accused held sway over the affairs of the Lodz Ghetto, since he was the person handling Jewish affairs on behalf of the RSHA. 134. As to other areas annexed to the Reich in the East , the Accused himself admits that his powers there were not different from those in the Old Reich. He confirms the contents of the statement made by Friedel (T/293, pp. 16, 21), the man in charge of the ghetto in Bialystok, that the evacuation of the Jews from the Bialystok Ghetto to Treblinka in February 1943 was carried out by Guenther, the Accused's permanent deputy. This is what he says on the subject (Session 100, Vol. IV, p.xxxx9): "Bialystok was within the Reich territory, that is the territories in the East annexed to the Reich. As far as I know, the order for deportation in regard to all those Eastern Occupied Territories were given by Himmler, and Section IVB4 had to deal with and prepare the action." (Deportations carried out by Guenther are also mentioned by the witness Karasik, Session 28, Vol. I, p. 468-473). The deportation of 30,000 Jews from Bialystok is also mentioned in Mueller's cable of 16 December 1942, bearing the reference number of the Accused's Section (T/292). Similarly, in relation to Ciechanow: The Accused transmits to the local Gestapo station Himmler's order for the execution by hanging of seven Jews "in the presence of members of their race." The report on the carrying out of these hangings is to be sent to the Accused's Section (T/200; see also T/201). The Accused's Activities in the Generalgouvernement Area 135. Were the Accused and his Section active against the Jewish inhabitants of the Generalgouvernement, and to what extent? We do not include in this question the actual acts of extermination in the camps in the East, for these we shall discuss separately later. The Accused alleges that within the Generalgouvernement matters were run according to special orders from Himmler, of which he, the Accused, had no knowledge. This is not an easy question, for, on the one hand, many special factors are connected with it - factors which did not exist in other countries - whilst, on the other hand, the evidence brought before us in connection with the Generalgouvernement area and the measures adopted against the millions of Jews who lived there at the time of the Germans' entry into the area is rather scanty. Amongst the factors mentioned, the one to be stressed particularly is the very existence of autonomous rule in that area, with a government of its own, headed by Frank. This in itself was an unfailing source of friction between Frank, who jealously guarded his prerogatives as all-powerful ruler in the area entrusted to him, and the Reich authorities, who strove to centralize power in their own hands. This competition was especially noticeable between Frank and Himmler and his representative in the Generalgouvernement area, Krueger, Senior commander of the SS and the Police, who served at the same time also as State Secretary for Security Affairs in the Frank government. In Frank's diary (T/253), we read his statement to his government on 16 December 1941: "...with regard to the course of action against the Jews, we act within the general framework of the Reich..." (p. 22) but on the other hand, on 21 September 1942, he still emphasized: "...all the main departments, having the interest of the Reich at heart, must pay attention to the fact that the sole responsibility for what is happening in this area, in the land of the Generalgouvernement, has not been denied to us by a single person to date...to my regret, I notice here and there perhaps a cautious trend in another direction. They think that now perhaps it is possible, gradually, to relax the complete and close links which exist with the Generalgouvernement, by a closer relationship with central authorities in the Reich... May I therefore remind you, Messrs. Directors of the main departments, as well as the gentlemen from the State Secretariat for Security Matters again and again, that in the unitary and complete administration of this area there has not been the slightest change." (p. 27) At another meeting, on 25 January 1943, he protests strongly at the fact that Krueger executed Himmler's order without informing him (Frank). He adds that this is a typcial example of the way police actions are executed in accordance with the Reichsfuehrer's order, "about which I have had no knowledge, in contradiction to the Fuehrer's order, and to which I have not given my consent" (p. 31). Yet, Frank explains that the responsibility for the extermination of the Jews does not lie with the government of the Generalgouvernement area, since "the order to exterminate the Jews came from higher authorities" (p. 29). Perhaps, in order to overcome Frank's isolationist aspirations, it was necessary for Himmler from time to time to exert his authority by issuing orders for police actions against Jews directly to his representative Krueger, and not via Heydrich and the RSHA. Krueger, for his part, would act through the police and SS commanders, such as Globocnik in the Lublin district and Katzmann in Galicia, neither of whom belonged to the RSHA establishment. An important fact pointing in this direction is that the final report of 30 June 1943 on "The Solution of the Jewish Question in Galicia," which states that 434,329 Jews had been exterminated (T/215), came from Katzmann and was submitted by him to Krueger. This proves that these actions were carried out in accordance with orders transmitted in the line of command from Himmler to Krueger to Katzmann, and we have no evidence of RSHA participation through a line of command from Himmler to Heydrich (Eichmann) to the BdS, Cracow. As against this, it should be said that, at any rate as from the Wannsee Conference, Heydrich's general authority in connection with the Final Solution was recognized, without territorial limitations. The representative of the Generalgouvernement, State Secretary Buehler, who participated in the conference, also fully admitted this authority when saying that: "The centralizing authority for the Solution of the Jewish Question in the Generalgouvernement area lies in the hands of the Head of the Security Police and the SD, and his actions are supported by the Generalgouvernement authorities." (T/185, p. 15) Buehler was invited to the Wannsee Conference, in order to clarify this very question (see T/182), and as already stated, Heydrich won the day, when the representative of "the opponent" surrendered without a fight and admitted his authority.
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