From email@example.com Sun Jan 19 18:56:53 PST 1997 Article: 93612 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.fibr.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!220.127.116.11!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Emmanuel Marin) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Michael Schmidt's "Neo-Nazis" book Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 02:55:07 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 260 Message-ID: <email@example.com> References: <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ad77-187.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ["Rough" English translation - EM] Lauck turns his head towards the door and says, happily : "Heil Hitler, Thies !" An old man, wearing a light-coloured hat, has just entered. A walking stick is hanging from his arm, and he is playing with the diaphragm collar of his camera. He is Thies Christophersen, author of the Auschwitz Lie. He is born in 1918. The first thing that catches the eye is the hollow, as deep as a child's fist, at the top of the nose, between the two eyes. This is a war injury that makes him say : "I have got a screw loose. You can see it. With them, you can't see it." What ?, I think. This is he, the famous main witness ? Thies Christophersen has a long face. The injury also half-masted one of his blue eyes, the left one, the eyelid of which is a bit lowered. But one cannot see it clearly behind the glasses. When he takes off his hat, one can see he has not luch hair left on the top of his head. When he speaks, and even when he laughs, the corners of his lips are strangely lowered. I ask him : "May we interview you ?". Christophersen was obvioulsy not aware of the report we were making : he puts on a stunned expression. Michael Kühnen intervenes and starts to explain : "They are shooting a leading documentary..." Christophersen gratefully nods. He looks admiringly at the camera. At this moment, Kühnen is called by his colleague. He apologizes and leaves the room saying, in a friendly manner : "But you can do this without me...". Lauck follows him. We are alone with Thies Christophersen. He is therefore free : he settles down at Lauck's place. He looks admiringly at the camera. I have the vague feeling he did not understand who we were. As we keep on meeting together, Michael Kühnen is so used to me that he suffers from the same "habituation" effect as the one I experienced some months ago. A loss of distance. Since Kühnen treats me as a "companion" and since I behave towards him in a similar friendly manner, Christophersen did not understand we were not neo-nazis : he calls the cameraman and the perchman "companions", while detailling the video camera : "It must be expensive, such a tool, eh, companions ? Me, I have my little box", he says, pointing at his camera. He uses some words of dialect. He comes from the countryside - his bulletin is called Die Bauernschaft, the peasantry, as a matter of fact. [Archival note: According to Irene Zundel, the estranged wife of Ernst Zundel, the newsletter 'Die Bauernschaft' mentioned above was published by Zundel, not Christophereson. knm 1997/12/01] Then he asks on what topic will be the interview . When I tell him it will be on the Auschwitz Lie, he makes a negative sign to me : "No, it will yield nothing". "- Why ?" This is nevertheless his "masterpiece". His explanation astounds me : "You will never make it appear on TV ! It does not work. We've already tried." Now, my doubts have turned into suspicion : Christophersen really does take us for some companions of fight who want to broadcast our report on the TV to manage a succesful crypto-propaganda. I perform a last test to be clear in my own mind, by telling him : "We'll succeed. It'll work, I'm sure of that !" He pensively smiles to me : "Anyway, we can try. The best would be to say I simply want to have the right to express my opinion. It always make a good impression." I was right ! He takes us for nazis. This is how Thies Christophersen is going to give an interview that still torments him today. Because "companion Thies" believes he is amongst friends, now; he has not to be careful any more for his possible contradictions, he trusts the self-censorship of whose he believes to be companions of fight. It sounds as if he was relating to a "companion" the time when he was Sonderführer SS in Auschwitz : "I have been transfered to the departement of the culture of the vegetals. We did this at Auschwitz, because there was so much manpower there". Christophersen put his hands together. A sign of internal tension. But his voice is the voice of a teaching specialist : "I made a selection. I went and looked for manpower in Birkenau. I said : "Who worked in agriculture ?". Then they came, and I said : "You, you, and you -, you I take you." Do you know how I did it ? I looked at them in the eyes - those who had white in the eyes could work." Christophersen chuckles when he remembers his own cleverness. They had great fun, in the good old days. "But I always had some Tziganes, because the Tziganes play music." I play to the end my part of a "companion" by stopping from time to time the shooting to ask him if he would consider it would be a good idea to talk about one thing or another. He takes the initative : "Denmark would be fine". I then ask him why he lives in Denmark. "I have been charged yet again in Germany, he says, so I exiled myself. Denmark is a very liberal country. Here, you have the right to be a tzigane, and a jew, and a nazi." As Kühnen may enter the room at any time and clear up the "misunderstanding", I must get to the heart of the matter : the gas chambers in Auschwitz. The mass extermination. "Now, I'm going to ask you a difficult question", I tell him to prepare him, while winking at him in an eloquent way. Then I come back to my official tone : "Did gassings take place, or didn't they ?" "- I never wrote a single word on gassings in my story", he says, and he continues : "But I heard rumors about fire, that said that people were burnt. So, I examined all the source of flames that were in the camp. I knew there were crematoriums? But I didn't see any cremation of corpses, and I've never known anything about it neither." As always : nobody has never known anything about it. Not even the Sonderführer SS. This is he, the main witness of Faurisson and Irving, of the "famous English historian" ! By the way, is Christophersen in touch with David Irving ? "I know David Irving for many years", he says. "And what do you think about David Irving ? - He's still being attacked, because he is English and because we do not like very much that he also relates the atrocities committed by the Germans. Some took place, sure. But I admit it, I'm partial." Christophersen seems to be more and more bewildered. He does not know what to say. It is nevertheless a a matter of mass extermination of human beings by gassing. And he claims in his Auschwitz Lie that it never took place. But here, in front of what he believes to be "companions", he unsmaks himself. He tries to explain why he lies. He speaks to us man to man, to pronounce these few sentences that unmask him and his Auschwitz Lie : "I want to exonerate and defend us, but I cannot do so with what we have really committed. I do not deny it. But no advocate having something to defend would ever present the charges against him." I listen to him. He has just got himself into deeper and deeper water. And he did not even notice it. He explains to me he has already endured a lot "because of the book". But despite the arrest, despite the exile ("now, they have freezed my bank accounts, do you realize that !"), he wants to be a model in the fight for the "truth". "My honor is fidelity" - it was the oath of the SS. And a SS never gives up. "But that does not affect me. I continue. I would feel like a traitor to my friends if I go back today on what I has said. I never did it." On September the 18th, 1991, our TV report The Brown Plague is broadcast for the first time in Sweden, under the title Wahrheit macht frei. It includes the words of Christophersen. A very unpleasant incident for those who deny the Holocaust. In the nazi circles, people are dazed. Some nevertheless consider that the movie is propaganda, but the majority is "disappointed" and all those who do not appear in the movie give a sigh of relief. In the next few months, the TV report is broadcast in most of the European countries. At this time, Christophersen starts to have troubles. He feels then he has to "reassure" his companions by publishing the following text in his Bauernschaft bulletin, in December 1991 : Here is how one falsifies On September the 18th, 1991, the Sweden television broadcast an interview of me during his 8 p.m. program. My words have been totally reversed. No follow-up was given to the following denial (*). Of course, this TV program earned me some irate letters from swedish and danish readers. But this example clearly shows what primitive trickeries our adversaries have now to use, in the embarassment (sic!) where they are." Chistophersen obviously still thinks he has been interviewed by his own campanions. In his memory, he even confuses me with the neo-nazi leader : "I never gave an interview to the Swedish TV. It is true I gave an interview to Mister Michael Kühnen." In the following part of his "denial", he becomes confused and invents : "I furthermore explained I would stop my work for reasons linked to my age. But I would feel like a traitor to my friends if I accepted their help without doing anything in return. I said the gas chambers existed, but only to gas lice." Also spoke Thies Christophersen, the eyewitness of the "revisionnists". There is nothing to add to the smart remark about having a screw loose. But, nevertheless, whether mad or not, Christophersen is one of those who pull the strings. --- (*) : The swedish television never received a denial. We heard about this "denial" later, by luck, when a member of Searchlight read through Christophersen's bulletin, Bauernschaft.
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