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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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What is a political thread like this doing in alt.religion.asatru?

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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In <52o90u$nmg@ns1.ntrnet.net> jeptha@ns1.ntrnet.net (George Conklin)
writes: 

>    The life expectancy is Cuba is longer than that of the United
States.
>Would not Iverson define 'life' as freedom, and 'death' as slavery?  

 Life, yes. But what kind of life?
 Old Frisian peasant-saying: "Lever doodt als sklav" ("Better dead than
slave.")

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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In <52o90u$nmg@ns1.ntrnet.net> jeptha@ns1.ntrnet.net (George Conklin)
writes: 

>    The life expectancy is Cuba is longer than that of the United
States.
>Would not Iverson define 'life' as freedom, and 'death' as slavery?  

 Life, yes. But what kind of life?
 Old Frisian peasant-saying: "Lever doodt als sklav" ("Better dead than
slave.")

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 30 14:30:08 PDT 1996
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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In <52moch$rfj@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> lness@indiana.edu (Lester John
Ness) writes: 
>
>keith (kbrowne@wwa.com) wrote:
>:  
>:  Oh please... conservatives get their clues from Rush Limbaugh? 
>: Conservatives existed long before Rush and they will exist long
after Rush.

 Absolutely true. Remember?: "AUH2O". Barry Goldwater! 1964. "Extremism
in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of
justice is no virtue." In my heart, I know he's right.
 Now, many so-called "conservatives", the so-called "moral majority",
don't like Barry Goldwater very much. Why? Because he believes, as he
did in 1964, in the very "politically incorrect" idea of _limited_
government and _individual freedom_, including for so-called "immoral
minorities". "Government should stay out of people's private lives",
says Barry Goldwater. How shocking! In my heart, I know he's right.
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 30 15:46:20 PDT 1996
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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In <52moch$rfj@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> lness@indiana.edu (Lester John
Ness) writes: 
>
>keith (kbrowne@wwa.com) wrote:
>:  
>:  Oh please... conservatives get their clues from Rush Limbaugh? 
>: Conservatives existed long before Rush and they will exist long
after Rush.

 Absolutely true. Remember?: "AUH2O". Barry Goldwater! 1964. "Extremism
in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of
justice is no virtue." In my heart, I know he's right.
 Now, many so-called "conservatives", the so-called "moral majority",
don't like Barry Goldwater very much. Why? Because he believes, as he
did in 1964, in the very "politically incorrect" idea of _limited_
government and _individual freedom_, including for so-called "immoral
minorities". "Government should stay out of people's private lives",
says Barry Goldwater. How shocking! In my heart, I know he's right.
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 30 16:11:40 PDT 1996
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In 
phenry@halcyon.com (Paul H. Henry) writes: 

>> This could very well be the 1996 version of the Willie Horton ad.
>
>Doubt it. There aren't any large black men threatening to rape white
>people's daughters in the current ads.
>
>-- 
>======================================================================
======
> _   (phenry@halcyon.com)         ||  Another American For
CLINTON/GORE '96
>|_)                               ||     It really DOES take a
village!
>| aul H. Henry - Seattle, Wash.   ||          http://www.cg96.org
>======================  http://www.halcyon.com/phenry/ 
=====================

 Only a racist could give a damn whether a rapist (or his victim) is
black or white. Rapists are scum.
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <52ms11$259@usenet78.supernews.com> xanadu@sbt.net (Craig Chilton)
writes: 


>>>     That is not extremism, PJ.  It is a recognition of the fact
>>> that anti-choicers share a common fault that was exhibited by
>>> neo-Nazis and KKK members:  bigotry.  The targets are different.
>>> For the neo-Nazis, it was Jews.  For the KKK, it was blacks.  For
>>> the anti-choicers, it is women, and their right to have their
                       ^^ ^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^
>>> full range of options just as men do, without being discriminated
    ^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> against just because they can become pregnant.  The common
    ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
>>> thread linking all of those folks is the serious fault of being
>>> guilty of practicing bigotry.

 That next to last sentence sums up _exactly_ what the pro-choice vs.
no-choice debate comes down to. 
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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Subject: Re: RU-486 - aRe yoU for eighy-six?
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In <324efd97.20463982@Concord01.news.internex.net> bob@ezon.com (BobJ.)
writes: 
>
>RU-486 deciphered = Are You For 86'ing
>
>Further translation from the American Heritage Dictionary gives this
>definition for 86 as a slang term, 86 - To throw out, I'll have to 86
>you if you don't behave! -  in past tense, I 86'd the bum! In gangster
>slang it takes on the additional meaning of killing, to 86 someone is
>to kill them. 
>
>Are You For Killing
> R     U    4     86
>
>Amazing, considering the function of this drug. Just an observation.
>
>BobJ.

 Yes. I'm for killing. Killing is not murder. We kill animals for their
meat, or for their fur, or just to be rid of them (e.g., rats or
roaches). We kill murderers in executions. (And if abortion is murder,
should we kill women who have abortions?) We kill in wars to protect
our _freedoms_. And women kill fetuses, embryos, zygotes, because we
value the _freedom_ of a woman, _her_ sovereignty over _her_ own body,
more than that fetus, embryo, or zygote. We kill because life without
_freedom_ is no life at all. RU486? Yes, I am. 
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 30 16:19:53 PDT 1996
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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In 
phenry@halcyon.com (Paul H. Henry) writes: 

>> This could very well be the 1996 version of the Willie Horton ad.
>
>Doubt it. There aren't any large black men threatening to rape white
>people's daughters in the current ads.
>
>-- 
>======================================================================
======
> _   (phenry@halcyon.com)         ||  Another American For
CLINTON/GORE '96
>|_)                               ||     It really DOES take a
village!
>| aul H. Henry - Seattle, Wash.   ||          http://www.cg96.org
>======================  http://www.halcyon.com/phenry/ 
=====================

 Only a racist could give a damn whether a rapist (or his victim) is
black or white. Rapists are scum.
-- 
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"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 30 19:10:07 PDT 1996
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What is a political thread like this doing in alt.religion.asatru?

-- 
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"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <52moch$rfj@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> lness@indiana.edu (Lester John
Ness) writes: 
>
>keith (kbrowne@wwa.com) wrote:
>:  
>:  Oh please... conservatives get their clues from Rush Limbaugh? 
>: Conservatives existed long before Rush and they will exist long
after Rush.

 Absolutely true. Remember?: "AUH2O". Barry Goldwater! 1964. "Extremism
in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of
justice is no virtue." In my heart, I know he's right.
 Now, many so-called "conservatives", the so-called "moral majority",
don't like Barry Goldwater very much. Why? Because he believes, as he
did in 1964, in the very "politically incorrect" idea of _limited_
government and _individual freedom_, including for so-called "immoral
minorities". "Government should stay out of people's private lives",
says Barry Goldwater. How shocking! In my heart, I know he's right.
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <52pd56$nvu@acmey.gatech.edu> jb154@prism.gatech.edu (Julia R.
Cochrane) writes: 
>
>lastman  writes:
>
>
>
>>Moral problems with birth control come when you separate the sexual
act
>>from its physical,political and transcendent purpose, which is to
unite               ^^^^^^^^^ 
>>man and woman in the possible production of a new life . Any 

 The purpose of the sexual act is _political_ (as in "politically
correct"?) only on the _totalitarian_ premise that the only legitimate
purpose of an individual act is to serve the ends of some Big Brother,
in this case, reproducing more servants for Big Brother. The
alternative purpose, from the diametrically opposite _individualist_
premise, is the physical, spiritual, high, noble, and transcendent
purpose of the _selfish_ enjoyment of the sexual act _in and of itself_
_by and for the individuals involved_. 
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <52opmi$fsf@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> kchildre@uccs.jpl.nasa.gov
(Ken Childress) writes: 


>>I think all government censorship is bad.

 I say it is too.

>Barnes v. Glen Theater allowed a community to ban an adult theater or
>bookstore, I forget which.

 The courts don't apply the Constitution consistently. See their
continual waffling on the Second Amendment as well.

>There are restrictions on pornography all over the place.

 There sure are, thanks to totalitarians like McKinnon and Falwell and
their ilk.

  Not outright
>bans, but clearly forms of censorship.

 You bet they're clearly forms of censorship. Flat-out
un-Constitutional.

  As a society, we most definitely
>have the right to restrict that which is deemed obscene or
>inappropriate.

 No. As _individuals_, we most definitely have the right to decide _for
ourselves_ what we will read, look at, listen to, etc..

>If you want to hear foul language, watch cable.  It has no place on
the
>public airwaves and should be restricted.  Foul language is the sign
of
>a feeble mind.

 Government control of broadcasting content is un-Constitutional.
Acceptance by our courts of censorship, gun control, etc., is a sign of
some very feeble minds, to say the least.

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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>  "The Christian Coalition is a growing and responsible group in the
Republican
>  party and I think that is good news. We need groups like the
Christian Coalition
>  working for us."
>  -Bob Dole, (Associated Press newswire, 2-10-96)

 The so-called "Christian Coalition"/"Moral Majority"/ad nauseum is a
CANCER on the Republican party.
 "Government should stay out of people's private lives."
 -Barry Goldwater
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <52pa52$566@kirin.wwa.com> kbrowne@wwa.com (keith) writes: 
>
>In article <52p1a8$srl@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, sma4@ix.netcom.co 
>says...
>>
>>In <52ms11$259@usenet78.supernews.com> xanadu@sbt.net (Craig Chilton)
>>writes: 
>>
>>
>>>>>     That is not extremism, PJ.  It is a recognition of the fact
>>>>> that anti-choicers share a common fault that was exhibited by
>>>>> neo-Nazis and KKK members:  bigotry.  The targets are different.
>>>>> For the neo-Nazis, it was Jews.  For the KKK, it was blacks.  For
>>>>> the anti-choicers, it is women, 
>>>>>and their right to have their
>>                       ^^ ^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^
>     Really? I know more women who consider aborting a 'life' due to 
>     inconvenience to be the equivalent of Hitler relived than those
>     who do not.

 If women don't want abortions, they don't have to have them.

>     Not that there are no legitimate points to the pro-choice side,
>     it's just that in order to address the issue with its 2-sided
>     reality, you'll have to put that in your pipe and smoke it
>     for the rest if your life, however distateful it will be.
>      
>>>>> full range of options just as men do, without being discriminated
>>    ^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>> against just because they can become pregnant.  The common
>>    ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
>>>>> thread linking all of those folks is the serious fault of being
>>>>> guilty of practicing bigotry.
>>
>> That next to last sentence sums up _exactly_ what the pro-choice vs.
>>no-choice debate comes down to. 
>
> 
> With the exception of being raped, there are ways to prevent becoming
>pregnant if one doesn't want to. Pregnancy is always a 'risk' if you
view it 
>that way with unprotected sex. However, there are many means
available-other 
>than abortion-to people who do not want pregnancy that do not have to 
>interfere with their enjoyment of sex.

 I'm glad you favor such means, i.e., contraceptives. Unfortunately,
many pro-lifers -- or at least, the loudest -- don't. They are using
"protection of unborn life" as just one more wedge to put over their
larger ideological agenda of restricting sexual enjoyment and choice,
especially for women. All in the name of "traditional family morality".
(Unlike the post I was responding to, I don't see them as _racists_,
but they definitely _are_ very much in favor of the "kinder, kuche,
kirche" [that's German for "children, kitchen, church"] view of women's
"proper role".)

> BTW, who's going to be paying your SS in your old age?

 What's THAT got to do with anything I said????
 
>
>keith
>
>
>
>>-- 
>>sma4@ix.netcom.com
>>"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
>> wanting to be by oneself,
>> being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich
Nietzsche
>>"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia
>

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia



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