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From Moshe@worldnet.att.net Sat Oct 12 11:51:18 PDT 1996
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From: Moshe@worldnet.att.net (Just Moshe)
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Subject: Re: The Kosher Food Racket:  Another Scam
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 08:42:18 GMT
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On 12 Oct 1996 05:53:14 GMT, alec@tor250.org  (Alec Grynspan) wrote:

>In <53bjfs$q7t@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>>It is even more ridiculous when observes that even among the 2% of the population that is
>>Jewish only a relative minority are religious anyway.  
>>

>6% of the population buys Kosher food by preference.

	90% of those, Muslim.  

	Our people have care so little for the law.




From Moshe@worldnet.att.net Sat Oct 12 11:56:47 PDT 1996
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From: Moshe@worldnet.att.net (Just Moshe)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Pollard of course
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 08:47:17 GMT
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On Wed, 09 Oct 1996 18:47:55 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:

>>A ZIONIST HERO

>Of course a Jew that spies on the U.S. for Jews is considered by other Jews as a hero.
>The gullible goyim in the U.S. are stupid enough to believe that Jews' allegiance isn't to
>their own first.   Hello!  

>>     To many Israelis and Jewish Americans, Pollard is a
>>Zionist hero who has been sold short by Israeli politicians
>>and his former intelligence officers.  Various pro-Israel
>>groups in the U.S. and abroad have lobbied for Pollard's
>>release and routinely run full-page ads in major U.S.
>>newspapers.  These groups have also raised millions of
>>dollars to cover Pollard's legal expenses.  The fund-raising
>>effort is being led by the Israeli Public Committee for the
>>Release of Jonathan Pollard.

>And Jews don't stick together?  Sheesh..

>Just why Jews feel the need to spy on the U.S. when we give them whatever they want anyway
>as soon as they ask for it, is beyond me.   What more do they want?  We already given them
>10 billion dollars a year.  Is that not enough?

	Mr. Pollard may be a traitor to our benefactor but he is among the
Righteous.  




From Moshe@worldnet.att.net Sat Oct 12 11:57:25 PDT 1996
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From: Moshe@worldnet.att.net (Just Moshe)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A (very) rare display of candour from Matt
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 09:01:34 GMT
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On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:08:22 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>>Matt Giwer writes:

>># Read the information holohuggers fear
>># http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg

>>Web site of Hitler admirer, who wrote (on GEnie) that 
>>"Hitler was a great man", and "the best thing that could 
>>have happened to Germany"

>Keren is trying (in vain) to prevent people from visiting the revisionist websites because
>if people do, they too will realize the impossibilities of the "Holocaust", for which
>Keren and his fellows have no explanation.

>There can be no mistake about it at this point:  

>The Holocaust is a piece of vicious, lying BULLSHIT and the greatest and most lucrative
>hoax that has -ever- been foisted onto the people of Europe.  

>Visit the sites, and see for yourself.  Happy surfing!

	You must remember that this hardens the heart of the defenders of Israel
and brings them into the fold of Zion.  They will assure their country
support Zion.  Their hearts need be hardened as they will all the greater
commit themselves to Israel.  






From Moshe@worldnet.att.net Sat Oct 12 11:57:43 PDT 1996
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From: Moshe@worldnet.att.net (Just Moshe)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is there a jewish political agenda?
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On Wed, 09 Oct 1996 19:02:15 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>>In article <53bf6j$a9t@bell.maths.tcd.ie>, 
>>dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

>>>These are organisations that are no secret and have existed. I know of
>>>no Jewish organisation of a similar nature.

>>Untrue. Zionist Israeli Grampas (ZIG) are out to get Giwerundea, and 
>>plot its overthrow by cutting off the Cherry Jack transports heading for 
>>Tampa Bay... these will be diverted to Edmonton, for obvious reasons.

>Isn't it funny that whenever anyone suggests the idea of Jews acting in concert, certain
>people immediately dismiss it as absurd, wacko, and beyond the realm of possibility, or
>try to make light of it?

The people must act together to survive.  That is a duty.  

 




From Moshe@worldnet.att.net Sat Oct 12 12:04:16 PDT 1996
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From: Moshe@worldnet.att.net (Just Moshe)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: YFE and oaths
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On 12 Oct 1996 05:55:55 GMT, alec@tor250.org  (Alec Grynspan) wrote:

>In <53bjn5$q7t@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:
>>
>>Yale has already proven himself a liar before. 

>Considering your nature - thank you for verifying Yale's utter integrity
>and sainthhod.

	We are not all saints.  Many are clean shaven.  




From Moshe@idirect.com Sat Oct 12 12:06:42 PDT 1996
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On Tue, 08 Oct 1996 21:41:52 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>III. THE VICTIMS
>    
>'Abd al-Ra'uf Ghabin 

>'Abd al-Ra'uf Ghabin was accused of being involved in the
>printing and distributions of leaflets of the Popular Front
>for the Liberation of Palestine and was arrested in August
>1990.  He was initially interrogated but was then placed in
>administrative detention without charge or trial until
>August 1991.  He denied the accusations and said in an
>affidavit in September 1990 that after his arrest he was
>deprived of sleep for three weeks, with breaks at week-ends
>and for one other period of two hours: 

	You do not understand how necessary this all is.  





From Moshe@worldnet.att.net Sat Oct 12 19:37:57 PDT 1996
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From: Moshe@worldnet.att.net (Just Moshe)
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Subject: For Indiana, USA
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MORRIS  DEES COMING TO INDIANAPOLIS 

The Indiana Civil Rights Commission will offer a symposium on hate crime,
"The Faces of Hate," Oct. 25 at the West End Conference Center, 617 W. 11th
St. in Indianapolis.

The symposium will launch a statewide reporting network composed of
federal, state and local law-enforcement agencies and civil-rights and
religious organizations. The pool of information regarding hate incidents
will be used to inform legislators and other leadersd about the nature and
extent of hate crime in Indiana.

The keynote speaker will be Morris Dees, founder of the Southern Poverty
Law Center in Mobile, Alabama. The fee for the symposium, luncheon and
reception is $75.   

Also, the commission needs volunteers for the Indiana Hate Crime
Reporting Network. To be a member you must be at least 18, an Indiana
resident and have no felony convictions.

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MORRIS  DEES COMING TO INDIANAPOLIS 

The Indiana Civil Rights Commission will offer a symposium on hate crime,
"The Faces of Hate," Oct. 25 at the West End Conference Center, 617 W. 11th
St. in Indianapolis.

The symposium will launch a statewide reporting network composed of
federal, state and local law-enforcement agencies and civil-rights and
religious organizations. The pool of information regarding hate incidents
will be used to inform legislators and other leadersd about the nature and
extent of hate crime in Indiana.

The keynote speaker will be Morris Dees, founder of the Southern Poverty
Law Center in Mobile, Alabama. The fee for the symposium, luncheon and
reception is $75.   

Also, the commission needs volunteers for the Indiana Hate Crime
Reporting Network. To be a member you must be at least 18, an Indiana
resident and have no felony convictions.





From Moshe@worldnet.att.net Sun Oct 13 08:51:42 PDT 1996
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From: Moshe@worldnet.att.net (Just Moshe)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 05:19:36 GMT
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On Sat, 12 Oct 1996 22:43:11 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>rblackmore@juno.com writes:
># yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>## There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz
>## Musuem that  4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.

># You stepped in it that time.  The inscription clearly
># stated that 4 million Jews died in Auschwitz.

>I think that you are clearly lying, as I am looking at
>Pressac's book, and the text on the monument does not even
>mention Jews.

>IMHO, the old (and false) figure of "4 million victims,
>including Jews" - while in reality it is about 1.5 million
>victims, most of them Jews - can be attributed in part
>to plain old antisemitism and a cynical attempt to add
>a "Christian touch" to what was, first and foremost, a
>Jewish tragedy. It is good that the current Polish
>Government does not pursue this line any more.


	We must remember the goyim suffered also.  We can not betray them to our
own benefit.  







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From: Moshe@worldnet.att.net (Just Moshe)
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Subject: Re: Matt Giwer of Florida is a Nazi Sympathizer; give him a ring and tell him!
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On Sat, 12 Oct 1996 20:12:24 GMT, fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>Yawn...

>>It should be obvious the "Chosen" ones are the most civilized:  that should be obvious by
>>their history of treatment towards Arabs.   Have you read the Amnesty report on Israel's
>>methods of torturing Palestinians?  Why, it is a veritable paragon of civility!

>I'm not going to defend the torture of Palestinians; I won't take your
>Jew-bait.  As for Arab-Jewish "history," I suggest you look at
>Arab-Jewish relations prior to the 20th century.  Do you know what the
>word "Dhimma" means in Arabic?

	It can not be a taunt when we must atone for our treatment of our Arab
neighbors.  

	Our faults and their faults, neither can claim to be blessed.  

=====
Read the information holohuggers fear
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there
htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE



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On Fri, 11 Oct 1996 05:46:10 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Oct 1996 10:47:34 -0800, kate@accessone.com (Kathleen Mulhern)
>wrote:

>>LOOK EVERYONE!!!  See the Giwer get defensive!  See the Giwer hurl
>>unbased, silly, childish insults at people he doesn't know because he can
>>think of nothing better to say!!  See the Giwer realizing he's wrong,
>>after being proven wrong for the millionth time, and get all pissy about
>>it!  Look everyone!  It's so much fun to bait a dim bulb like Giwer.  
>>C'mon everyone!!  Join in the fun!  Post your own rebuttles proving
>>Giwer's ignorance, and watch the troll squirm!  Yay!

>Kate actually sounds much better after she declaredly abandoned her woeful attempts to
>refute Giwer.   She is now engaging in posts that suit her much better, as they require no
>use of her vaunted "intellect" (sic).

	This Giwer should be ours as he solidifies the People with their Land.  

>Kurt Stele


=====
Read the information holohuggers fear
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there
htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE



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Subject: Re: Matt Giwer of Florida is a Nazi Sympathizer; give him a ring and tell him!
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On Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:02:21 GMT, frice@stbbs.com (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:

>crom@eskimo.com (Dana Booth) wrote:

>>>> Matt Giwer is a Nazi, or at the very least a Nazi sympathizer.

>>> Now isn't THAT interesting?  Matt is a Nazi sympathizer. . . 
>>> Now why doesn't that surprise me TOO much!

>>I'm curious... Nazism may not be the most popular political 
>>philosophy, but that's all it is: a political philosophy. 

>It's predicated upon fascism and historically fascism maintains
>as a pivotal focus point the demonization of an outgroup -- in 
>the Nazi case that's Judism and through direct lineage, Jews.

>What's wrong with it is the violence it foments directly.  In the
>United States (which, I'm embarrassed to say, Mr. Giwer holds)
>residence, Democracy has a decided and engineered lack of such a
>destructive focus.  (Commercialism can and often has been deadly,
>of course, so there are always goods and bads in a system.)

>Christian fascism in the United States revolves around the
>demonization of homosexuals, blacks, Hispanics, atheists, and the
>ever-popular "unwed welfare mother."  That Christian ideology is
>making headway among the neo-Nazi's in the United States and as
>such should properly be stomped out.

	Mr. Rice, I hesitate to comment not knowing if you are one of us.  

	Condemning Christians because of a few makes us no better than those who
would harm us.  


=====
Read the information holohuggers fear
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there
htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE



From Moshe@worldnet.att.net Sun Oct 13 08:51:45 PDT 1996
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From: Moshe@worldnet.att.net (Just Moshe)
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Subject: Re: Matt Giwer of Florida is a Nazi Sympathizer; give him a ring and tell him!
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On Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:23:32 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>Moshe@worldnet.att.net (Just Moshe) wrote:

>>>Giwer is no Nazi.  He is a man who wants the truth, and like other revisionists will not
>>>be intimidated into silence by the evasive slanders, ignoble shadow-tactics, and the
>>>disgraceful light-blocking of the exterminationist side.

>>	You should not be so harsh.  

>>	The Nazis cooperated with Zionism to encourage emigration to Israel.

>>	The Nazis dealt with Zionism before Israel was restored trading us much
>>needed farm equipment.  

>>	The Nazis codified our custom into law and forbade intermarriage with the
>>other races.  

>>	They were our friends in many ways.  

>>	There is no evil so great that does not contain its portion of good.  

>Dear "Moshe":

>Number One:  my saying "Giwer is no Nazi" was not intended to disparage the German regime.


>Number Two:  If you're so interested in setting the record straight, why don't you tell
>your fellow Jews who are propagating the "Holocaust" Lie, the truth about what really
>happened?  Be a modern-day Benjamin Friedman..

	This Holocaust is not important to the the revival of Israel.  Israel is
more important than the truth.  Israel is more important than life itself.


	Anything can be done to preserve Israel.  




=====
Read the information holohuggers fear
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there
htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE



From Moshe@worldnet.att.net Tue Oct 15 07:59:13 PDT 1996
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From: Moshe@worldnet.att.net (Just Moshe)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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On Sat, 12 Oct 1996 11:25:29 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>>	The People have been here since the moment of the creation.  We will be
>>here after your footprints in the sand have been covered by the Wind.  

>	"The moment" of "creation"?  Archeological reckoning doesn't have
>the Jews around until maybe 1200 BC. By that time the Egyptians had
>been around for two thousands years.

	The Book tells us the truth that surpasses understanding.




From gmcfee@ibm.net Tue Oct 15 08:12:45 PDT 1996
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From: Moshe@ibm.net (Just Moshe)
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On Sun, 13 Oct 1996 00:04:45 -0700, rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K.
Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <53pu8r$nmd@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>Moshe@worldnet.att.net wrote:

>[snip]

>> We must remember the goyim suffered also.  We can not betray them to our
>> own benefit.  

>Giwer, the Holocaust destroyed people. More than 6 million of them, in
>fact, many of whom were Jewish, but included homosexuals, gypsies,
>political prisoners, and any other person whom the Nazi regime wanted to
>destroy.

>Of course, you already know that, given that you're a self-admitted troll,
>as has been pointed out to you in the past:

>         "You keep reading [my posts] and keep posting about them. 
>         That will waste your time while I concentrate on posting the
>         idiocies of the holohuggers.  I will post just enough to you
>         folks to keep you interested and keep your limited time
>         wasted.  I have 18 hours a day seven days a week if I wish."

>                      - Giwer, Message-ID <50p1ne$61d@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>

>Of course it gets worse - not only are you a troll, but you are a troll who
>resorts to continual lies, harassment, threats, and general prevarication
>in an attempt to deny what you know to be truth - you, little man, are
>completely devoid of anything resembling decency, morality, and integrity.

>For confirmation and reference, please examine the copious documentation
>available at 

	If you will not believe the Just Moshe then who can you believe?  




From JM@ag.org Tue Oct 15 08:16:09 PDT 1996
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On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:37:53 -0400, "Annie Alpert, OFB"
 wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:

>> This does not refute the phenomenon Giwer explained whereby accused's confess without
>> coercion to crimes they did not commit.
>> 
>> Kurt Stele

>Yea, and it also does not refute the phenomenon that Giwer created an
>onscreen persona named Moshe and put words in his moutht hat he wanted
>to hear a Jewish person say--does it????????

	Moshe is what Moshe does.  




From gmcfee@ibm.net Tue Oct 15 08:26:57 PDT 1996
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	For the holohuggers, everyone who has replied to Just Moshe was emailed as
about Just Moshe before they replied.  

	Is there a problem with holding conversation with a handle?  





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From: Moshe@ibm.net (Just Moshe)
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On Sun, 13 Oct 1996 12:04:23 -0400, "Annie Alpert, OFB"
 wrote:

>Just Moshe wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, 12 Oct 1996 22:43:11 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>> ># yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>> 
>> >## There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz
>> >## Musuem that  4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
>> 
>> ># You stepped in it that time.  The inscription clearly
>> ># stated that 4 million Jews died in Auschwitz.
>> 
>> >I think that you are clearly lying, as I am looking at
>> >Pressac's book, and the text on the monument does not even
>> >mention Jews.
>> 
>> >IMHO, the old (and false) figure of "4 million victims,
>> >including Jews" - while in reality it is about 1.5 million
>> >victims, most of them Jews - can be attributed in part
>> >to plain old antisemitism and a cynical attempt to add
>> >a "Christian touch" to what was, first and foremost, a
>> >Jewish tragedy. It is good that the current Polish
>> >Government does not pursue this line any more.
>> 
>>         We must remember the goyim suffered also.  We can not betray them to our> own benefit.

>Matt, this is TOO LOW--even for you--to pretend to be a Jewish person
>and then posting notes that confirm to your anti-Semitic beliefs.  You
>couldn't find real Jews who say the hting you thing Jews say, so you
>made one up!  Disgusting!

	Alec Grynspan was the first to tell the story of my showing up at Temple
wearing only a Talith.  

	If you do not believe him, why do you not believe me?  

	What do you believe I am?  And why?  



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On Sun, 13 Oct 1996 13:52:16 -0300, Keith Morrison 
wrote:

>Just Moshe wrote:

>>         This Holocaust is not important to the the revival of Israel.  Israel is
>> more important than the truth.  Israel is more important than life itself.
>> 
>>         Anything can be done to preserve Israel.

>Sure sure, Giwer.  Why not go try to fool some kindergarten-age posters?
>Or people who claim to have an IQ of 163.  They seem to be idiots.

	That is why holohuggers love it so.



=====
Read the information holohuggers fear
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there
htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE



From president@whitehouse.gov Tue Oct 15 08:18:33 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren-@world.std.com (Danial Keren)
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Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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On Sun, 13 Oct 1996 22:03:35 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>rblackmore@juno.com writes:

># Also, in Soviet hands, Hoess must have fared
># much worse treatment,

>Absolute rubbish. Hoess wrote in his memoirs some things that
>infuriated his Soviet and Polish captors:

>1) That 1.3 million died in Auschwitz, as opposed to their
>   estimate of 4 million. Moreover, he mocks the higher
>   estimates as "figments of the imagination", which "lack
>   any foundation".

>Are you indeed such a poor, retarded little Nazi that you
>cannot understand that it doesn't make any sense that, had
>they "tortured him into saying what they wanted", they would
>NOT have told him to write this?

	But of course I agree Hoess had only 30 days to write his memoirs.  

>2) That the Soviet POW's behaved like animals, killing each
>   other for a piece of bread, and practiced cannibalism.

>Can you tell us, nazi-boy, WHY the Soviets would have "forced"
>him to write this?

	No one has claimed the memoirs were forced, but of course you know that he
was acquitted of gassing for lack of evidence.






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On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 13:24:14 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>rblackmore@juno.com writes:
> 
>Poor old "rblackmore" cannot say anything intelligent about the
>clear and obvious fact that Hoess was *not* told by the Poles
>and Soviets what to write in his memoirs. In desperation, he
>whines:
> 
># Now, where is the proof that anyone
># was gassed at Auschwitz?  Are you relying on Hoess?
> 
>The proof is in the documents, witnesses, and forensic evidence.
>Hoess is one witness. 

	No forensic evidence was presented, but I know that.  
	
 



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On Fri, 11 Oct 1996 20:57:40 GMT, klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:28:20 -0400, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka
>Perrrfect) wrote:


>>Mr. Giwer:

>[snip]

>>Newsreaders read text. That's what they're for. 
>>If you want to DIRECT people to a Web site, that's perfectly reasonable.
>>But inserting large chunks of HTML in a TEXT-BASED Newsgroup is not only
>>inconsiderate, it's damned stupid.

>But, Sara, stupid is what Matt is best at!

	Perhaps you should explain to her that HTML is TEXT.  




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On 11 Oct 1996 14:12 MST, dmittleman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny
Mittleman) wrote:

>In article <53l9uk$866@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes...

>    [snip]

	How jewish.



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On Mon, 07 Oct 1996 02:52:48 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:

>>Economies of scale being what they are, it's much cheaper for large food
>>companies to produce only one type of food.  Since in many cases a large
>>part of producing kosher food is the entire factory itself and its
>>condition, producing _non_ kosher food would require going to extra
>>effort to build an entirely new factory!

>>And since the insignificant expenditure to get the kosher certification
>>opens up a market to millions more people, it actually _decreases_ the
>>cost to the consumer.

>This simply begs the question of how much the food would otherwise cost if nearly every
>company didn't -have- to kowtow to Kosher food standards?

	But lets look at it honestly.  It also opens up the Muslim market which is
much greater than the Jewish market for kosher food.  




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On 11 Oct 1996 23:32:00 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>>  On 10 Oct 1996 22:58:21 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>>  >>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) in a thread questioning whether the 
>Malmedy defendants were tortured:

>>  >>  >>  	You mean you are still holding to your position that they all 
>had their
>>  >>  >>  attorneys present during all questioning?  

>  
>>  >	Liar.  In case you were too drunk to notice we are talking about the 
>>  >Malmedy trials.  I have posted specific statements and government 
>investigations 
>>  >that indicate that there were irregularities at those trials.
>  
>>  	Gee, and I was talking about Nuremberg, which you also swore on your 
>oath
>>  as an honorable man was a fair trial under the rules of US law.  

>	You are either lying or too drunk to be taken seriously.  If you think that 
>there were reversible errors at Nuremberg please make a case of it.  So far you 
>have posted nothing that an appeals court would even bother considering.  You 
>have stated that your opinion is that no fair trial was given.  You have yet to 
>support this with either full citations of the record or a recitation of legal principle 
>that would support your contention.

	Prosecutor Something-Fyfe:  Did you not tell me last night that you
(recitation of guilt)

	Witness:  That is not what I said.

	Prosecutor:  You said that you had (recitation of guilt)  

	There was no objection from the defense.  

>	The burden, as in any appeal, is upon you.  Please try to present your 
>position in a coherent manner.  Given your criminal tendencies, it might be good 
>practice for the future.

	As you note the prosecution introduced a statement that he claimed was from
the defendant and continued on the presumption that it was true even though
it had been denied.  That is the sort of thing you consider to be a fair
trial.  





From E@gryn.org Tue Oct 15 08:23:07 PDT 1996
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From: E@ag.org (EE)
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Subject: Re: Kramer on the half-shell
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On 11 Oct 1996 23:55:03 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:


>>  More of Dan's equivocating.  Typhus was ALWAYS a
>>  problem in the camps, and the administration was always
>>  having to contend with it.  They did not have the benefit
>>  of DDT as we did here.

>	Typhus was a problem because the nazis who ran the camps allowed it 
>to be a problem.  Moreover, the problem of controlling typhus was solved long 
>before the invention of DDT.  The last typhus outbreak in the United States was in 
>New York City 1921.  That is far more of a public health problem than an outbreak 
>in a confined camp.  It was controlled in a matter of weeks.  There was no problem 
>with typhus in POW camps in Germany and Austria in WWI even at the end of the 
>war when the infrastructure of the central powers was as poor as it was in 1945.  
>This was also before the development of DDT.

>	According to the CDC the number of deaths due to typhus in the United 
>States in the 20th century is: 541.

>	How many died of typhus in the KZ?

	You know how dirty those eastern european jews were.   And as you they were
recognized as the problem for being carriers for the disease.  That is why
they were given what was often the first shower of their lives.  

	No wonder they were so frightened by the strange sight of showerheads.  




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Subject: Re: Kramer on the half-shell
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On 12 Oct 1996 07:28:17 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>>  
>>  >belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
>>  
>>  doesn't prove extermination by gassing.
>>  
>>  >belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
>>  
>>  doesn't prove extermination by gassing.
>>  
>>  >belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
>>  
>>  doesn't prove extermination by gassing.
>>  
>>  >belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.
>>  
>>  doesn't prove extermination by gassing.
>>  
>>  >belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen.
>>  
>>  doesn't prove extermination by gassing.

>No it doesn't.  But for the record, Kramer was ACCUSED
>of building a gas chamber by mendacious witnesses.  What
>Kramer had done in actuality was construct barracks to
>house people in the already over-crowded camp.

	One has to wonder if there was any other kind of witness after so long,




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On Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:59:41 +0000, Chuck Ferree  wrote:

>Chuck Ferree writes:

>He's on tha cheap wine again. He just will not listen. Well it's his 
>liver...his brain is all ready gone.
>Chuck

>REMEMBERING THE HOLOCAUST 

>             Six million Jews perished under Nazi tyranny -
>              perished for no reason other than the fact that
>                               they were Jews.

	"And I saw the name of the Holocaust and its number was six million.
Counteth thee not to twelve but go directly six.  





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On 11 Oct 1996 18:34:33 -0700, Potato wrote:

>In  schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:

>> > You know.... for years now, I've read that it happend, and for years,
>> > I've read it was a hoax.
>> > 
>> > both sides continue to bicker and flame one another, but there is one
>> > question that never seems to come up, that I read a report on last
>> > year... WHY??????
>>  
>> LOTS of people have explained WHY.
>>  
>> I suggest you start with Daniel Goldhagen's book, he has an excellent
>> chapter on the history of anti-Semitism in Germany.

>Mr. Goldhagen and many others cover anti-semitism, however he
>fails the job, he does not cover the extent of Jewish power in 
>Germany in the 20's.

	What none of them cover is that in the 20s economic conditions were so bad
that jobs were bought, as in bribes, graft, corruption.  The jobs that were
particularly valuable were civil service and university jobs as they were
in the lifetime category.  

	What is of interest is the fraction of the population that held a larger
fraction of those jobs.  

	And once in those jobs coming into positions with hiring and promotion
authority is inevitable.  

=====

	And then one also has to ask, why that would ever be different?  Would
there be difference in other times and places?
	


=====
Read the information holohuggers fear
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there
htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE



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On Wed, 09 Oct 1996 04:04:08 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

>>	There are certainly some fundamentalist Christians who have an agenda:
>>the Moral Majority had an agenda. There is the Institute for Creation research,
>>which has a pro-creationism agenda.

>>	These are organisations that are no secret and have existed. I know of
>>no Jewish organisation of a similar nature.

>Ever heard of the B'nai B'rith (ADL) and the JDL, just to name two?

	They were doing so well with their "there is not JDL" until the web page
was posted. 







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On Wed, 09 Oct 1996 04:48:11 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:


>>Thank you for your inquiry about the conference.  The call for papers 
>>is included in this message, and the conference announcement will be 
>>sent via e-mail to you in November.  The deadline for the call for 
>>papers has been extended to October 22 for those learning about the 
>>conference late.   If you prefer to receive a conference brochure, 
>>please send your name, complete mailing address and fax number to me 
>>at my e-mail address. 
>>Laura Ellenburg

>These gatherings are about to be rendered anachronistic, kind of like going to Flat Earth
>Society meetings.  One should go and grab a piece of history while you still can.

>It won't be around for very much longer.

	But will McVay present a paper?






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On 11 Oct 1996 02:07:30 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   Jeffrey  writes:
>>  
>>  Rudolf Hoess
>>  Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Hoess is often cited as one of the most
>>  important witnesses to the "Holocaust," if not the most important. His
>>  affidavit and testimony were quoted extensively both by the prosecution
>>  and in the judgment of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg.

>	Actually Hoess was irrelevant to the prosecution case.   He was called as a 
>witness for the *defense.*

	A dozen or more solid posts and a jew traitor can only find one to respond
to.   




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On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 23:51:48 -0700, rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K.
Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <53kdr8$gnd@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:

>> Watching the documentary NUREMBERG on the Discovery Channel.
>> 
>> The primary charge in the minds of those interviewed was a conspiracy to
>> wage aggressive warfare.  It was not explained what other kind of warfare
>> there is.  
>> 
>> It was hardly anything approaching a complete record of any kind but the
>> out-takes made some things quite clear.  If those charged had defense
>> counsel they counsel either slept through the questioning or were not
>> permitting to object to leading questions, the prosecutions giving
>> testimony, and a host of other things that would result in a successful
>> appeal in a fair trial.

>During a cross-examination, a witness is implicitly hostile. Leading
>questions are not only allowed but required. Leading questions of a witness
>on direct examination are not acceptable, although only discarded if
>objected to. However, if the witness is a hostile witness, then yes indeed,
>leading questions are permissible.

	Excuse me, holohugging asshole, this was direct examination.

	Other than that, you have a case. 



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Just unzip to a directory and browse index.htm.  

	It is agreed this is beyond the ability of so many holohuggers but give it
a shot, learn something.  



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From president@whitehouse.gov Tue Oct 15 08:31:56 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren-@world.std.com (Danial Keren)
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Subject: he who made the assertions
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:22:23 GMT
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	This was originally invoked upon the holohuggers claims.  

	After that they did the usual "I am rubber you are glue" routine but never
posted their evidence.  

	It is typical holohugger.



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:53:51 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>	Face it, sonny boy, you just can't stand the truth.

>Face it "sonny boy"  your Holocaust is lying piece of Jewish filth, which is why Jews must
>cowardly censor the counter-evidence to it.

>Kurt Stele

	Us real Jews are the Chosen People.  Bow down, Goy.



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On 13 Oct 1996 00:55:06 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <53kdr8$gnd@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> -
>mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer)Fri, 11 Oct 1996 03:08:42 GMT writes:
>:>
>:>	Watching the documentary NUREMBERG on the Discovery Channel.
>:>
>:>	The primary charge in the minds of those interviewed was a conspiracy to
>:>wage aggressive warfare.  It was not explained what other kind of warfare
>:>there is.  

>That's because most people with either the IQ or the sobriety of a nine-year
>old know the difference between aggressive warfare and the other kinds. 
>Probably explains why Giwer doesn't.

	We agreed not to post this kind of material.  Please stop.  



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On 15 Oct 1996 14:06:07 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   E@ag.org (EE) writes:
>>  On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 23:51:48 -0700, rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K.
>>  Gandhi) wrote:

>>  >mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:
>  
>>  >> Watching the documentary NUREMBERG on the Discovery Channel.

>	To which Rajiv Ghandi replied:

>>  >During a cross-examination, a witness is implicitly hostile. Leading
>>  >questions are not only allowed but required. Leading questions of a witness
>>  >on direct examination are not acceptable, although only discarded if
>>  >objected to. However, if the witness is a hostile witness, then yes indeed,
>>  >leading questions are permissible.
>  
>>  	Excuse me, holohugging asshole, this was direct examination.
>  
>>  	Other than that, you have a case. 

>	The documentary was shown again Sunday night,  All of the 
>examinations shown, with one exception, were cross-examinations of the 
>defendants.

	We agreed to stop this kind of post.  Please do.  




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On 14 Oct 1996 21:15:32 -0400, karlpov@access3.digex.net (Charles R.L.
Power) wrote:

>jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth) writes:

>>TOTH ANSWERS: <<< I guess you would also not have minded  to much if
>>Morgenthau would have realized his BIG PLAN?  Right? Morgenthau, who
>>of course  was Roosevelt's buddy  wanted to sterilize the whole German
>>population so that "they would not  bring into this world anymore
>>leaders like Hitler."

>Why, yes, Judith, I would have had a problem with that plan. I have a
>problem with any plan which deliberately punishes people without
>determining individual guilt. I do not consider sterilization or rape 
>to be appropriate punishments for anything. 

	Yet we know that sterilization was proposed for all Germans and well
received in the US at the time and that was prior to US involvement in WW
II.  Fail to see your one time objection to this mass condemnation.  

>>	And I bet you never had any problem with the more than 7 million
>>Ukranians who were systematically starved to death by the "glorious
>>Stalin?>

>Where do you get off accusing me of approving Stalin's crimes, you
>stupid lying bitch? Where have I given you so much as a hint that I
>"never had any problem" with the deliberate starvation of the Ukraine?

	Of course you have as it was supposedly greater in numbers and yet you
pretend this holocaust is something of interest.  

>>TOTH ANSWERS: <<>	 I am convinced that during  WW II.  most Jews co-operated with an
>>evil force, the Soviets, and that they did this willingly, in the hope
>>of immediate and long-range benefit to themselves.

>So did the government of the United States, and in fact every member of
>the U.S. armed forces. Including the Jews. There is a difference between
>forming an alliance with tyrants to obtain a legitimate military objective
>and cooperating in the establishment and maintenance of tyranny. In the 
>latter endeavor, there were among others many Jews involved, of course.
>Many of them paid the price since they were among the preferred victims of
>Stalin's purges (with some interesting exceptions such as Kaganovitch,
>Ehrenburg and Zamyatin). I'm not sure all of them deserved death, but I'm
>not going to mourn them either.

	And the Zionists planned to end European Jewry before Hilter was born.
That is why the Zionists coopertated with the Nazis and worked to prevent
any emigration from Germany and the occupied territories to any place but
Palestine.  




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On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:20:34 -0400, Christopher Geggis
 wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Oct 1996 acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:

>> How does one explain the murder of US sailors on the uSS Liberty by the
>> Jew Israeli air farce?

>My brother was in the navy at about the time this happened. According
>to him the USS Liberty was gathering info on Israeli military movements
>and sending it back to Washington.  This was shared with our allies,
>the British.  Pro-Arab people in the British government then leaked
>this to the Arabs.  The Amerkan govt. knew all about this but refused
>to do anything about it.  The Israeli govt. had no choice but to fire upon
>the ship.  Only the communications was damaged and the US was warned
>that they were going to be fired upon. If I were an Israeli pilot I would
>have had no compunctions about firing upon the enemy, even if that enemy
>is an ally.

	It appears you agree that Israel was officially lying about the reason it
attacked the Liberty.  There was never any question of the lying but it
appears Israeli apologists wish to continue the lie. 


=====
Read the information holohuggers fear
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there
htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE



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On Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:52:37 GMT, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander
Baron) wrote:

>In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

>> A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
>> 
>> # Arafat's whore (Vanessa Redgrave); sundry Nazis (Butz, etc),
>> # self-hating Jews (Burg & Cole)
>> 
>> Burg (or Berg, or Ginzburg, the name keeps changing) was
>> obviously insane and/or mentally retarded, as looking at
>> his "testimony" from the Zundel trial proves.

>As I said Dan, J.G. Burg (alias Ginsberg - Jews often change their names) was
>an idealist, as is Cole. The "mentally retarded" Burg published 3 books,
>and he spoke at least three languages.

	And I yam what I yam and that is all that I yam.  





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From: rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi)
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	Yet it is clear that the architects of the destruction of European Jewry
were the Zionists and the Nazi collaborators.  The Zionists planned it and
worked for it before Hitler was born.  They worked for it all through the
time the Nazis controlled Germany and the largest part of Europe.  The
Zionists participated in drafting the Nuremberg laws prohibiting
intermarriage of Germans and Jews.  

	The Zionists supported all of the laws against Jews passed by the Nazis.  

	The Zionists lobbied in every country that would take in refugee Jews
against doing so and in England that they could only emmigrate to
Palestine.  

	



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On 13 Oct 1996 23:49:09 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>  kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>>  # The old "it takes longer to delouse than to gas Jews" position
>>  # is Nizkor's attempted retort to the Leuchter report.
>  
>>  It's a medical fact, you poor clown. Look at any relevant medical
>>  text and check how long it takes for people to die when exposed to
>>  the same concentration of HCN used for delousing.

>	Dr. Keren forgets who is dealing with.  Wasn't this the person who cited 
>a bug infested teenager as an "otherwise authoritative" medical reference and 
>once showed his understanding of infectious diseases by citing 12th century 
>European military practices?

	Shive will get you for that one.  	




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On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 18:16:06 -0300, Keith Morrison 
wrote:

>Mike Curtis wrote:

>> >:>I was in a Biblical frame of mind last night.  I referred
>> >:>to the ball in your corner because it is my contention
>> >:>that exterminations have indeed backed themselves
>> >:>into a corner by adhering to the Holocaust in all its
>> >:>details.  As to the sources, start with "Let's not be Beastly
>> >:>to the Sources".
>> >
>> >Let's start by identifying ourselves.  I'm Gord McFee.
>> >
>> Welcome,  Gord. I'm Mike Curtis.

>Hello, Mike, hello, Gord.  I'm Keith.  Or maybe I'm John Morris.
>Or am I Ken this week?

	You are all of the above.



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On Tue, 15 Oct 1996 01:07:52 -0700, rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K.
Gandhi) wrote:

>Forging your username is an abuse of your usenet connection. Stop it.

>In article <53vfqc$hrp@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, JM@ag.org wrote:

>> On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:37:53 -0400, "Annie Alpert, OFB"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> >Kurt Stele wrote:
>> 
>> >> This does not refute the phenomenon Giwer explained whereby accused's
>confess without
>> >> coercion to crimes they did not commit.
>> >> 
>> >> Kurt Stele
>> 
>> >Yea, and it also does not refute the phenomenon that Giwer created an
>> >onscreen persona named Moshe and put words in his moutht hat he wanted
>> >to hear a Jewish person say--does it????????
>> 
>>         Moshe is what Moshe does.

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>--------------
>When you arise in the morning, give thanks for the morning light, for your
>life and your strength. Give thanks for your food and for the joy of living.
>If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies in yourself.
>                                                                                                      
>- Proverb


	Silly Yid proverbs have no place in rational disucsion.



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On 15 Oct 1996 01:31:59 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>>  >>>>
>>  First tell me why you lied about the British and
>>  their water supply to Belsen, and then tell me why
>>  you are ignoring the lies of Ada Bimko.

>	To be blunt about it.  I have not dealt with your extract from Bimko's 
>testimony because, clearly, nothing you posted showed she was lying.  You posted 
>an extract in which, under cross examination, imprechment by prior inconsistent 
>statement was attempted.  Unfortunately she denied having made the previous 
>statements for which impeachment was attempted.  You presented nothing to 
>indicate that she had made the previous statement.

>	On a scale of 1-10:  about a 2.

>	Call her a liar on final argument and I am on my feet objecting.  Then you 
>have the problem of a judge telling the jury to ignore what you are saying.  If that 
>happens you are, on the same scale,  at -1.

	You have no feet.  They were burned off in Keren's pictures.  




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On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 22:03:38 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

># The word specifically means in German "carburation celler" -- the
># space in which the primary fuel is converted into combustible gas
># before being fed into the hearth.

>kurtzi, this is simply too much. This "explanation" for the gassing
>cellar mentioned in the document was offered a long time ago, by
>Butz. It is so horribly idiotic that even Butz does not support
>it anymore. The furnaces used coke, no "mixture of gases".

	The subject is of course the word that only exists prior to 1945 in
reference to shelters from gas warfare attacks.  

># A gas chamber in German would be "Gaskammer."

>And, indeed, "gaskammer" (gas chamber) and "gasraum" (gas room)
>are mentioned in the construction documents for Krema V in
>Birkenau and for the Natzweiler gas chamber.

	But NEVER for A-B while a delousing chamber for LK I is prominent.  

	And of course the aerial photos of Krema V in Birkenau show no either LK
nor undressing room and the close building make them impossible.

	Other than that, nice fable of good against evil.  







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Subject: Re: What if again (despite the fat topic cop)
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On Sat, 12 Oct 1996 22:01:55 -0400, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka
Perrrfect) wrote:

>In article <537kg8$n0r@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net wrote:

>> "Ordinary Germans".
>> 
>> Let noone claim again that the vicious Lie of the "Holocaust" does not
>slander the German
>> people as whole.
>> 
>> Let Jews as a whole be held accountable for the destructive actions of
>other Jews.
>> 
>> Kurt Stele
> 
>The same genius who wrote:
> 
>-I think the jewish claim about the pyramids is yet -another- hoax.

	It is certainly clear only an idiot would connect the Hebrews and the
pyramids, is it not?  



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On Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:01:45 GMT, jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris)
wrote:

>rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>>  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  
>>>  # Also, in Soviet hands, Hoess must have fared
>>>  # much worse treatment,
>  
>>>  Absolute rubbish. Hoess wrote in his memoirs some things that
>>>  infuriated his Soviet and Polish captors:

>>What is your proof they were infuriated?
>  
>>>  1) That 1.3 million died in Auschwitz, as opposed to their
>>>     estimate of 4 million. Moreover, he mocks the higher
>>>     estimates as "figments of the imagination", which "lack
>>>     any foundation".

>>As were all the estimates.  All of your speculation is
>>worthless without the complete record of Hoess's
>>trial in Poland anyway. Either way, it is irrelevant what
>> Hoess wrote then or before as it is all absolute rubbish. 
>> Neither 1.3 million died, nor 4 million, nor 4.5 million,
>> nor 2 million, nor 2,5 million.  Get the
>>point?  It is all worthless.  Now, where is the proof that anyone
>>was gassed at Auschwitz?  Are you relying on Hoess?

>Piper does not rely on Hoess, nor did Georges Wellers. As I recall,
>Piper rejected all of Hoess' figures since they were all guesses
>anyway. What Piper (and Wellers and Czech and Hilberg) relied upon
>chiefly were the railway billings for the numbers of deportees to
>Auschwitz, documents which were not ever, by the way, in Soviet hands.

>Apparently you are ignorant of the bases for current estimates of the
>death toll at Auschwitz. Then I should tell you that the railways
>billed the SS for every train car used for any purpose including the
>transport of civilians to places like Auschwitz, Treblinka, Belzec,
>Sobibor, and so on.

>What the railway records show is that some 1.3+ million people were
>transported to Auschwitz. SS records also show that an additional
>200,000+ were transferred, mainly to the several Auschwitz subcamps,

	And SS records show that 74,000 total died of disease, accident, age and so
forth.  Now what?  Certain records are true and other records are false?
Based upon what?  That they support the holocaust of which there is no
physical evidence?   

>about 500 hundred escaped, and a few were actually released. 

	Some 50,000 were released.  

The
>remaining 1.1+ million are so far unaccounted for. No records exist
>for the transfer or release of these people. What the railway records
>do is confirm that the estimates given by Hoes in memoirs tend to be
>more accurate than the estimates given in his testimony at Nuremberg.

	Of course the records exist.  Russia released the death books about three
years ago.  The meticulous bureaucrats record all 74,000 of them.  

>So, you can whinge and whine about the reliability of Hoess and
>whether Hoess was tortured, but the argument is hardly to the point:
>you are not even dealing with anything like a significant subset of
>the evidence much less the totality of the evidence and you are
>certainly nowhere near accounting for the evidence that does exist
>that renders it into a coherent account. Not even close.

	Save that either the records are complete or incomplete.  That records were
kept or not kept.  

	You can not have it both ways.  It was one way or the other.  





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Subject: all my mindless followers must read this - holo1016.zip (0/1)
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unzip a to a directory and browse from the index.htm.



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From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBE)
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Subject: Re: Jew "Moshe" Defends Torture of Palestinians as "Necessary"
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On Sun, 13 Oct 1996 08:26:45 GMT, jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris)
wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:

>>>Try to pay attention. Matt Giwer is playing a new trolling game by
>>>pretending to be a Jew posting from idirect.com. I suppose the trick
>>>was meant to show that Jews will not attack another Jew no matter how
>>>repugnant his statements. Unfortunately, the only people to get upset
>>>so far have been people like you.

>>Where is your proof of this, oh omnipotent one?

>Read the headers for the NNTP-Posting host. Then read "Moshe's"
>message in the thread "Matt Giwer of Florida is a Nazi Sympathizer;
>give him a ring and tell him!" Gosh, a Jew posting alternately from
>Giwer's ISP with Giwer's .sig.  Boggles the mind.

>BTW, try to get my name right: that's O, Omniscient One to my friends
>but Mr. Omniscient One to you.

	Let his alone.  I have spoken.
	
	Pay no attention to the CIA man behind the curtain.  





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From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBE)
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Subject: Re: "Anti-Semitism"? Then, so be it.
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On 15 Oct 1996 13:34:10 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:


>>  >	That's a lie and you know it.  Your anti-Semitism has been proved time 
>>  >and time again by your bigotry and your lies.

>>  	What's a "lie"?
>  
>>  (This one?) > "Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism".

>	In your case: yes.    You are a a blatent anti-Semite who covers his 
>bigotry by claiming to be "anti-Zionist."  Sorry Moran your numerous lies about 
>"the Jews" (that is the term *you* habitually use) prove otherwis

	As we all know Zionists collaborated with the Nazis as the least of their
crimes.  They are the scum of the earth.  




From yawen@enter.net Wed Oct 16 08:43:56 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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On 15 Oct 1996 23:51:57 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>>  >   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  
>>  >  Oh dear. Why is Gerald Fleming "one of the most biased sources one
>>  >  could refer to?" Because you say so, or do you simply dismiss
>>  >  respected historians with an airy wave of your hand because they
>>  >  happen to disagree with your views?

>>  Or do you simply select sources who pour the most 
>>  unsubstantiated vitriol on the Germans?  I suppose
>>  Goldhagen is one of your darlings as well........In any
>>  case, Fleming's book is a rather slim volumes packed
>>  with unsupported accusations and conjectures.  He is
>>  the darling of the intentionalists.
>>  rb

>	You're lying again.  Most of Fleming's most recent book "Hitler and the 
>Final Solution" consists almost entirely of contemporary documents.

>	Face it, sonny boy, you just can't stand the truth.

	Ediken poo, stop pretending to be me.




From yawen@enter.net Wed Oct 16 08:44:04 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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On 15 Oct 1996 13:42:04 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>	Someone give Moran a clue:

>>  >Tom, calm down--you were duped by Matt Giwer.  There is no "Moshe".  

>	So Moran demonstrated his bigotry:

	Waily ne Waley is a Jew.   
  
>>  	You could be right. But look at it this way, his impersonation
>>  was aweful realistic.

>	Only to a bigot like you.  It is humorous that the only two people taken 
>in by Giwer's hoax were two people who have announced how good they are 
>at evaluating the credibility of others.

	Giwer must be watching you.  He appears to be much better a person than you
are, being a Jew and all that. 






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On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:51:30 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>	So Moran demonstrated his bigotry:

>And you continue to demonstrate your stupidity.

>>	Only to a bigot like you.  

>You support the Jewish state, the most bigotted, openly-racist nation on the planet. 

	But you forget we have partners in the Union of South Africa for our racism
and bomb development.  








From flotus@whitehouse.gov Wed Oct 16 08:45:28 PDT 1996
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On Sat, 12 Oct 1996 01:40:22 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images
>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images
>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images
>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images
>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images
>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images


>>-Danny Keren.

>Noone believes in the Holocaust anymore.

	Ain't no one believes in the Frogman either, but then both have the same
believability.  





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Subject: Re: BUCHENWALD: LEGEND AND REALITY
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On Sun, 13 Oct 1996 10:27:46 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images

>buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg:
>Emaciated corpses of the inmates.

>buchenwald02.jpg:
>Artifacts made from corpses of inmates.

>shrunken.jpg: 
>The shrunken head of an inmate.

	With museum item number not included.

>buchenwald04.jpg: 
>German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops 
>have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how 
>well-dressed and well-fed they are.

	It is truly amazing the debt the Holocaust owes to creative captioning.  






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	And remember that Colin MacGregor lied and all of idirect lied.  

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From potus@whitehouse.gov Wed Oct 16 08:45:30 PDT 1996
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From: Smun@chiba.org (I ain't got no home)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: It is always under revision - holo1016.zip (0/1)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 05:48:44 GMT
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	This is a canned website on the Holocaust.  Even Just Moshe has declared it
Kosher.



From potus@whitehouse.gov Wed Oct 16 08:45:31 PDT 1996
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From: Smun@chiba.org (I ain't got no home)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 05:50:28 GMT
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On Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:48:48 GMT, jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris)
wrote:

>rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>Cross-examined by Captain Fielden:

>>Q.  Were all the SS men in Belsen responsible for 
>>ill-treatment and shooting?

>>A.-  No, the shootings I saw on the last three days
>>were by Hungarian guards.  Most of the guards in
>>the huts were not SS at all, but, on the orders of the SS,
>>were Blockaeltesten, Kapos, and Vorarbeiter and the
>>like.  I did not see SS men in the vicinity of my compound
>>during my stay there......Page 64

>>Finally:

>>Q:-  Did you actually see anyone except the Hungarians
>>shoot an internee?"

>>A:  "No."     Page 67.

>>END OF QUOTES.  All taken from, "The Belsen Trial"

>Did the Hungarian guards just wander into Belsen and start shooting
>people? Under whose command were they? The British?

>This is too lame even for you.

	In your creative editing, you left out this preamble.  

>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  
 He was a member of the Hungarian guard [1], but the
>  shooting was not confined to Hungarians; it was simply terrible,
>  hundreds were shot per day.

	If you wish to be successful in this technique you need to let something
like this sit for a month and then post it so it is hard to find what you
left out.  

	





From potus@whitehouse.gov Wed Oct 16 08:45:32 PDT 1996
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From: Smun@chiba.org (I ain't got no home)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 05:50:41 GMT
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On Sun, 13 Oct 1996 22:18:57 -0700, rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K.
Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <53s34l$18a@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>[snip]

>> 6,000,000 Jews did not die.  You should be greatful and happy,
>> instead of wallowing in your horror collection.

>More than 6 million people died, a large number of whom, but not all, were
>indeed Jewish.

	What a stupid shit.  12 _TWELVE_ million died and less than half of them
were Jewish.  Thus Spake Nuremberg.  

>However, Hitler's campaign also included political prisoners, Gypsies,
>homosexuals, and any
>other person who the Nazi throng decided wasn't worthy of life.

	Of course you can produce the evidence for order?  For the orders that
proceeded from his verbal order?  
	
	You can explain how a population nearly twice that of New York City
vanished without a trace?  

>By the way, the 'horror collection' exists BECAUSE  of the Holocaust. Snide
>comments such
>as those you choose to make above do not change the FACT that the Holocaust
>happened;
>it only demonstrates that you are interested in nothing except denying FACT
>that Hitler 
>orchestrated the murder of more than 6 million innocents.

	So where are the remains of the TWELVE million, gullible little fool.  





From president@whitehouse.gov Wed Oct 16 08:45:47 PDT 1996
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From: lonewolf@nbnet.nb.ca (Keith Morrison)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More on Goring's Commission to Heydrich
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On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 18:56:01 GMT, jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris)
wrote:

>Jean-Francois Beaulieu  wrote:

>>klewis@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>>> From the interrogation of Friedrich Jeckeln:
> 
>>> " I would like to state for the record that Goring shares in the guilt
>>> for the liquidations of Jewish convoys that arrived from other
>>> countries. In the first half of February 1942 I received a letter from
>>> Heydrich. In this letter he wrote that Reich Marshall Goring had
>>> gotten himself involved in the Jewish question, and that Jews were now
>>> being shipped to the East for annihilation only with Gorings
>>> approval."

>>excerp from:did six million really die?

>> Christie asked whether Hilberg took the same complimentary view of Mr. Justice
>> Wennerstrum of the Nuremberg Military Tribunal. 

>Christie's efforts to promote the theory that the Muremberg Trials
>were the result of a Jewish plot seems to have been less than
>convincing to the jury. After all, *two* juries found Ernst Zuendel
>guilty of spreading false news.

	And what about Hilberg's agreement in the plot?








From president@whitehouse.gov Wed Oct 16 08:45:56 PDT 1996
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From: lonewolf@nbnet.nb.ca (Keith Morrison)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: YFE and oaths
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On Sun, 13 Oct 1996 03:39:57 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

>>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>>Yale has already proven himself a liar before. 
>>>I hope that helps to explain the situation.

>>	I challenge you to prove that.

>YFE claims Giwer is a criminal.  He omits that Giwer's e-mail was sent in reply to YFE's
>unsolicited e-mail.  Omission is lying.  

	But it is expected that attornies will lie.  It is in the job description.
And of they complain about it to ISPs so they slander also but then, that
is also in the job description.  







From alec@gryn.orf Wed Oct 16 08:46:03 PDT 1996
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From: billiejeff@WHITE.com (Billie Jeff Clinton)
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Subject: Re: YFE and oaths
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On 14 Oct 1996 00:46:27 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

>  
>>  YFE claims Giwer is a criminal.  He omits that Giwer's e-mail was sent in reply to 
>YFE's
>>  unsolicited e-mail.  Omission is lying.  

>	That is a lie, Matty poo,  I requested that you stop sending me e-mail.  
>The response was "I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."  It was followed by another 
>bit of your anti-Semitic venom.  That's one of the reasons why Netcom suspended 
>you.

>	You criminally harassed me and my family, Matty poo.  You a criminal.

	Another professional victim.  We all know you must be a victim because you
pretend to be a Yid.  You are impressive in pretending to be a cocksnipper
but it is not good for your race to do so.




From alec@gryn.orf Wed Oct 16 08:46:12 PDT 1996
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From: billiejeff@WHITE.com (Billie Jeff Clinton)
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      The problem of course is cataloging just what you believe. For example in the 1996 campaign season in New Mexico there was an ad mentioning gas ovens. My first thought was of "Bye Bye Birdie" where the mother put her head into an electric oven to commit suicide.

      By the way, she is very Jewish in the movie. I have not watched the movie in a long time. The scene may be cut from recent releases. Who says history can not be controlled?

      But, but, but, barely thirty years later that term somehow applies to the Holocaust. Instead of being funny, it is "offensive" to some self proclaimed holohuggers. And rather than a correction, it elicites an apologiy. It appears that "gas" ovens rather than coke ovens are soon to enter the doctrine of the Holocaust. From alec@gryn.orf Wed Oct 16 08:46:19 PDT 1996 Article: 74820 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: antisemitism Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:18:40 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <54212v$b6a@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <323e9a12.644105@news.pacificnet.net> <53aup7$pmo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <53c9ne$13@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <53cgi4$jsp@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <53crau$rk0@is05.micron.net><323e9a12.644105@news.pacificnet.net> <53aup7$pmo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <53c9ne$13@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <53cgi4$jsp@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <53crau$rk0@is05.micron.net> <53r237$t8i@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: alec@gryn.orf NNTP-Posting-Host: 222.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 13 Oct 1996 15:32:55 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote: >In message - >rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi)Fri, 11 Oct 1996 20:21:42 -0700 >writes: >:> >:>In article <53crau$rk0@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net wrote: >:> >:>Look who's back. What, couldn't scam another free month on AOL ? >No. Giwer has a massive list of ISPs. More than you could ever imagine. From alec@gryn.orf Wed Oct 16 08:46:27 PDT 1996 Article: 74831 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: antisemitism Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:20:17 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <54215u$b6a@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <323e9a12.644105@news.pacificnet.net> <53aup7$pmo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <53c9ne$13@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <53cgi4$jsp@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <53crau$rk0@is05.micron.net><323e9a12.644105@news.pacificnet.net> <53aup7$pmo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <53c9ne$13@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <53cgi4$jsp@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <53crau$rk0@is05.micron.net> <53r237$t8i@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <3261B186.5BB3@nbnet.nb.ca> Reply-To: alec@gryn.orf NNTP-Posting-Host: 222.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 00:20:38 -0300, Keith Morrison wrote: >Gord McFee wrote: >> :>Look who's back. What, couldn't scam another free month on AOL ? >> >> No. Giwer has a massive list of ISPs. >So if Stele agrees with Giwer that Moshe is an idiot, does that >mean Giwer is calling himself an idiot or is agreeing with himself >to call himself an idiot or is an idiot agreeing with himself or... Stele who? From alec@gryn.orf Wed Oct 16 08:46:34 PDT 1996 Article: 74832 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: antisemitism Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:20:52 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <542174$b6a@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <323e9a12.644105@news.pacificnet.net> <53aup7$pmo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <53c9ne$13@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <53cgi4$jsp@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <53crau$rk0@is05.micron.net><323e9a12.644105@news.pacificnet.net> <53aup7$pmo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <53c9ne$13@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <53cgi4$jsp@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <53crau$rk0@is05.micron.net> <53r237$t8i@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net><323e9a12.644105@news.pacificnet.net> <53aup7$pmo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <53c9ne$13@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <53cgi4$jsp@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <53crau$rk0@is05.micron.net><323e9a12.644105@news.pacificnet.net> <53aup7$pmo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <53c9ne$13@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <53cgi4$jsp@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <53crau$rk0@is05.micron.net> <53r237$t8i@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <3261B186.5BB3@nbnet.nb.ca> <53v1hr$1hrg@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: alec@gryn.orf NNTP-Posting-Host: 222.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 15 Oct 1996 03:48:11 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote: >In message <3261B186.5BB3@nbnet.nb.ca> - Keith Morrison >Mon, 14 Oct 1996 00:20:38 -0300 writes: >:> >:>Gord McFee wrote: >:> >:>> :>Look who's back. What, couldn't scam another free month on AOL ? >:>> >:>> No. Giwer has a massive list of ISPs. >:> >:>So if Stele agrees with Giwer that Moshe is an idiot, does that >:>mean Giwer is calling himself an idiot or is agreeing with himself >:>to call himself an idiot or is an idiot agreeing with himself or... >All of the above. Stele3 does not agree. From alec@gryn.orf Wed Oct 16 08:46:41 PDT 1996 Article: 74833 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: antisemitism Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:22:07 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <54219b$b6a@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <540gq2$hll@bell.maths.tcd.ie> Reply-To: alec@gryn.orf NNTP-Posting-Host: 222.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 15 Oct 1996 18:14:42 +0100, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote: >mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes: >>At the rate the gonadotoxic Giwer-eunuch is getting his ass booted from >>ISP's he _needs_ a massive list of them! > He'll probably get through the list quickly - as it's finite! > Unless he's adding ISPs from his imagination. You figure it out. From alec@gryn.orf Wed Oct 16 08:46:50 PDT 1996 Article: 74836 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: I always get the feeling Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:34:19 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <5421vr$ekg@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <53heff$kne@is05.micron.net> <53ppoe$kjq@is05.micron.net> Reply-To: alec@gryn.orf NNTP-Posting-Host: 222.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On Sun, 13 Oct 1996 18:57:48 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: >kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: ># According to the "Holocaust" tale they gassed people ># every 5 - 20 minutes. >Rubbish. The large gas chambers held at least 1,500 people. >It is impossible that they were used at a rate even close >to the one you give. Ah, the good doctor Keren forgets ONE MORE TIME that his fellow holohuggers have corrected him on the size of the chamber, that it was only one room inside of LK I. You fellow holohuggers have identified you as a liar on this subject. You posted your first arithmetic effort PROVING you were lying to your fellow holohuggers. ># If this is true there STILL was far more gas used to gas ># people than to gas lice. >But it's not true. Your "third" calculation, please? ># The old "it takes longer to delouse than to gas Jews" position ># is Nizkor's attempted retort to the Leuchter report. >It's a medical fact, you poor clown. Look at any relevant medical >text and check how long it takes for people to die when exposed to >the same concentration of HCN used for delousing. There are no "medical" facts regarding lice and will not be until people start keeping them as pets. You crap has all bee invented by holohuggers. From yawen@enter.net Wed Oct 16 08:46:57 PDT 1996 Article: 74838 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: learning Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:04:44 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <5423nt$im3@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: yawen@enter.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 222.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I know the most embarrassing part of my holocaust is the complete and total lack of physical evidence. I know it all rests upon self contradictory witnesses. But let me stress that I will lie, cheat and steal to promote this holocaust as if it goes away, I do not have a life. From jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Wed Oct 16 08:47:03 PDT 1996 Article: 74839 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:07:45 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5423tf$im3@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <53rtld$60i@news.enter.net> <53t04k$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> <326e4b91.12125575@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 222.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:38:49 GMT, jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote: >rblackmore@juno.com wrote: >[in response to Yale Edeiken re: Dr. Charles Larson's forensic >reports] >>You are the liar. I asked from day one for the reports >>as soon as you made the mistake of telling me they >>existed. Where are they? I read what Larson said >>and I do NOT accept his opinions without the proof >>to confirm it. >Of course, you believe Larson was a liar. Why was Larson a liar? >Because he was in on the "cover-up." What cover-up? Why the cover-up >of the truth about the Holocaust. You silly shit. Ediken is a liar, McVay is a liar, Keren is a liar. We know that. We are all dumbshit little liars. -- John Morris at University of Alberta -- The Nizkor Project | http://www.nizkor.org/ From jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Wed Oct 16 08:47:11 PDT 1996 Article: 74855 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen: OSR-USSR-#24 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:08:29 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <5423uq$im3@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <53jlpi$cs@viper.txdirect.net><53jlpi$cs@viper.txdirect.net> <53kv4v$i3b@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <53peke$21hc@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 222.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 13 Oct 1996 00:54:38 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote: >In message <53kv4v$i3b@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> - >mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer)Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:04:02 GMT writes: >:> >:> Thank you for the clear forgery. >Everyone who _really_ cares about getting at the truth, unlike simply acting >like a besotted old troll, knows that the operational situation report's >validity has been proven. >:>On 10 Oct 1996 20:20:01 GMT, klewis@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken Lewis) wrote: >:> >:>>The Chief of the Security Police Berlin, July 26, 1941 >:>> and the SD He knows were are lying. Try a different approach. From kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Wed Oct 16 08:48:40 PDT 1996 Article: 74825 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: nizkor@nizkoor.bc.ca (Niz-kor Canada) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: moranic: prejuries,injuries,postjuries Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:25:52 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <542brm$cpq@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <53qkpn$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> <326cf9fe.5115165@199.0.216.204> <53tpl8$d54@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> Reply-To: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 222.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 14 Oct 1996 09:27:20 -0700, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >In article , schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >[a moron wrote] > "This is testimony at a trial? Then maybe 'prejury' is a word > that could be agreed upon." > >>I'm not familiar with this term, Mr. Moron, I looked in my Giwerese >>dictionary, but couldn't find it there either. > >>What is a prejury? And if it *is* a word, is there also a postjury? >Prejury, injury, postjury. Perfectly acceptable Moranic, Lady Sara, >but no known connection to Classic Giwerundean - it could >have segmented roots, I suppose. Do you have your Full Hootch >dictionary handy? What a silly shit is the OBE. It sows nor does it weave but lives upon contrbutions. From kmevay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Wed Oct 16 20:15:41 PDT 1996 Article: 74993 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: nizkor@nizkoor.bc.ca (Niz-kor Canada) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: BUCHENWALD: LEGEND AND REALITY Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:56:43 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 63 Message-ID: <543elp$a09@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <53thir$k6c@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <53vlk1$bau@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: kmevay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 190.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:10:18 -0800, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article <53vlk1$bau@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: >> > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: >> > In message - >mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark >> > Van Alstine) writes: >> > :> >> > :>In article <53qce3$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: >> > :> >> > :>[snip] >> > :> >> > :>> ...Atleast I don't go around parading photos of people who >> > :>> died from disease and then imply that they were murdered. >> > :> >> > :>No, instead Herr Schwarzesel, when confronted with the graphic evidence >> > :>of Nazi murder by brutality, privation, starvation, and disease at >> > :>Bergen-Belsen, tries to white-wash said Nazi crimes, vindicate those >> > :>Nazis in charge, and implicity and/or explicity blame the British >for the > > :>deaths of the victims of Nazi persecution there. >> > :> >> > :>All in a day's work for a lying scumbag Nazi apologists like Herr >> > :>Schwarzesel. >> > :> >> > :>(And yes, he _has_ flipped.) >> > >> > All it seems in a desperate attempt to deflect things to the "atrocities" >> > suffered by the Germans. Now where have we seen that line of reasoning >> > before? >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Gord McFee >> > I'll write no line before its time >> > >> > >> >>>> >> Are you saying that Germans who suffered as >> much or worse than some Jews are not deserving >> of equal compassion? >I though my meaning was was quite Herr Schwarzesel: >That you, when confronted with the graphic evidence of Nazi murder by >brutality, privation, starvation, and disease at Bergen-Belsen, have tried >to white-wash said Nazi crimes, vindicate those Nazis in charge, and >implicity and/or explicity blame the British for the deaths of the victims >of Nazi persecution there. >To put it more bluntly, Herr Schwarzesel: >You are a lying scumbag Nazi apologist. >Which part of "lying scumbag Nazi apologist" don't you comprehend? Another professional victim lashes out as his whiplash is exposed. From kmevay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Wed Oct 16 20:15:49 PDT 1996 Article: 74994 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: nizkor@nizkoor.bc.ca (Niz-kor Canada) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:56:52 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <543em4$a09@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <53vjls$6s3@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <5425q2$flf@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: kmevay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 190.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 15:41:59 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: >rblackmore@juno.com writes: ># dkeren-@world.std.com (Danial Keren) writes: >## No forensic evidence was presented, but I know that. ># Right. So you admit you have no case. >Look before you jump, nazi-boy. You have responded to a >forgery. I didn't post that. Yes you did. It is all on the Nizkor archive. The great Lizard of Waz has spoken. >Posted/e-mailed to nazi-boy. Ignore that little Keren behind the curtain. Article 75075 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!nntp.portal.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!news.ironhorse.com!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: nizkor@nizkoor.dc.ac (Niz-kor Canada Alegamest) Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.palestine Subject: Re: An Open Question to Tom Moran and Kurt Stele Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 00:41:19 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 63 Message-ID: <543uvb$7bg@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <3258957C.3767@ns.sympatico.ca> <845140834snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> <5425si$pgr@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.conspiracy:100367 alt.revisionism:75075 soc.culture.israel:47127 soc.culture.jewish:83460 soc.culture.palestine:22300 On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:04:15 -0400, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <5425si$pgr@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, >kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca wrote: >[entire post snipped] > >This is a serious question, Messers Moran and Stele: > >Aren't you EMBARASSED to associate with someone who has sunk as low as Matt >Giwer? > >In the last two days, he has forged Ken McVay's name on at least one post. Does it not bother you to spread false and malicious lies like this? Why dd it not bother you when others did it to Giwer? >He has forged Gord McFee's name on at least one post. >He has pretended to be a Jew ("Just Moshe") to stir up flames. >He has used at least three other false names. >And he has done it in such a juvenile fashion that his forgeries were >completely transparent. > >I'm more than happy to debate anyone on the Holocaust. I have done so for >over a year. You have debated nothing. But you have tried to appear sanctimonious when not doing so. Does it not bother to you make such a false claim? >But I'd sure like to see some sense of decency from the two of you as to >the behavior of Mr. Giwer. > >So please answer the question: >Do you APPROVE of Mr. Giwer's methods here, or do you agree that he is >completely out of line? > >Looking forward to your responses, >Sara Are you not somewhat concerned about being associated with people who make harrassing phone calls to a person's family members and the employers and to the person himself? Are you concerned with being and associating with people who make false and malicious complaints to a person's service provider? Are you not concerned that you have made such false complaints? And if not, why not? Do you really feel it is OK for your side to do it? Is that because your cause is just? ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Article 75091 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.palestine Subject: Re: An Open Question to Tom Moran and Kurt Stele Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:40:34 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 55 Message-ID: <544qip$bir@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <3258957C.3767@ns.sympatico.ca> <845140834snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> <5425si$pgr@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <543uvb$7bg@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.conspiracy:100377 alt.revisionism:75091 soc.culture.israel:47132 soc.culture.jewish:83467 soc.culture.palestine:22302 On 17 Oct 1996 03:17:27 GMT, moo@midtown.net (Bryan Cowan) wrote: >In article <543uvb$7bg@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, >kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac wrote: >> On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:04:15 -0400, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka >> Perrrfect) wrote: >(snip) >> >But I'd sure like to see some sense of decency from the two of you as to >> >the behavior of Mr. Giwer. >> > >> >So please answer the question: >> >Do you APPROVE of Mr. Giwer's methods here, or do you agree that he is >> >completely out of line? >> > >> >Looking forward to your responses, >> >Sara >> >> Are you not somewhat concerned about being associated with >people who make >> harrassing phone calls to a person's family members and the employers and >> to the person himself? Are you concerned with being and associating with >> people who make false and malicious complaints to a person's service >> provider? >> >> Are you not concerned that you have made such false complaints? >And if >> not, why not? >> >> Do you really feel it is OK for your side to do it? Is that >because your >> cause is just? >Do you really feel that it is OK to force your delusions upon the rest of >us, Giwer? Do you really feel that it is OK to forge posts with Ken >McVay's name (and that of Nizkor) on them? >Is it OK if we send the men in white suits out to take you to a nice, >secluded place where we can be safe from you? When did Giwer do a thing like that? Is kmcvay kmevay? And if not, why does this malicious libel continue? ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Article 75072 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: nizkor@nizkoor.dc.ac (Niz-kor Canada Alegamest) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.nationalism.white Subject: Re: Whites Are Good Writers Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 00:44:10 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <543v4n$7bg@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <52s3lh$r83@news1.panix.com> <536jv2$5os@crl3.crl.com> <325ee91d.1962635@news.sure.net> <53rsfe$fq6@is05.micron.net> <9zMN+OACjoYyEwUB@bebbo.demon.co.uk> <53v49h$d7e@is05.micron.net> <541ejs$hqp@is05.micron.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:83455 alt.revisionism:75072 soc.culture.israel:47125 soc.culture.europe:48792 alt.politics.nationalism.white:33288 On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:49:12 +0100, Dene Bebbington wrote: >Kurt Stele wrote: >>Dene "Imprisoning revisionists MIGHT be Okay" Bebbington >> wrote: >> >>>It may be news to a troller like you but some of us like to think things >>>through somewhat before arriving at a definite viewpoint. Whether >>>Holocaust deniers should be imprisoned or not isn't something I've given >>>much thought to so far. >> >>The fact that you have to "think about" about whether or not revisionists should >>be thrown >>into jail for doubting the Holocaust says it all. >Hmmmm, yes, it says that I'm not too sure just how we should deal with >these dangerous cretins. And in what way are they dangerous? Please be specific in your answer AND keep it in the context of exactly what you have stated, holocaust denial and nothing else. If you wish to use any implication of something beyond holocaust denial, you will have to state and defend that first. ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Article 75073 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: nizkor@nizkoor.dc.ac (Niz-kor Canada Alegamest) Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.nationalism.white Subject: Re: Whites Are Good Writers Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 00:56:58 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 45 Message-ID: <543vs3$gsa@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <52s3lh$r83@news1.panix.com> <536jv2$5os@crl3.crl.com> <325ee91d.1962635@news.sure.net> <53rsfe$fq6@is05.micron.net> <9zMN+OACjoYyEwUB@bebbo.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:83456 alt.revisionism:75073 soc.culture.israel:47126 soc.culture.europe:48793 alt.politics.nationalism.white:33289 On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 19:38:58 +0100, Dene Bebbington wrote: >Kurt Stele wrote: >>Ooooh those Holocaust Deniers (sandwiched in between eeee-vil Adolf and the >>KKK! >>That was >>a sly one) sure are "dangerous" people. >Yes they are dangerous, because whatever their motivations they make it >easier for history to repeat such atrocities by advocating the position >that the Nazi brand of fascism was less dangerous and insidious than it >really was. And btw, there was no slyness on my part, because in the >original post I replied to Holocaust deniers were in fact sandwiched >between Hitler and the KKK. The slyness appears to be on your part. You apparently failure basic reasoning as a child, perhaps a head injury. It rather appears you believe the only thing that was wrong with the Nazi movement was that the holocaust and were it not for that you would have no problem joining up for the flashy uniforms. Keep it straight in your head for once in your life. Nazism is a brand of Marxism. It is such totalitarian countries that are root of all of the world's evil. >>Gee, shouldn't "dangerous" people be locked up? >I'm not entirely sure whether Holocaust deniers should be imprisoned, >but their filthy lies should certainly not be allowed to get away >unchallenged. Then why not intelligent challenge instead of all the name calling? ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Article 75063 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:55:08 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <544nti$1kd@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <54233j$im3@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <543qkg$8va@news.enter.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 16 Oct 1996 23:20:48 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >The criminal Giwer posted the following forgery: >> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: > >> Us real Jews are the Chosen People. Bow down, Goy. > This has, of course, been reported to abuse@worldnet.att.net. In the >meantime the number of "revisionists" who have publically commented >on the criminal Giwer's activities is: > one; T. Moran. He likes them. > --YFE It is interesting that you failed to provide the complete headers that would prove you are a libeler. It is also interesting that you are a piece of shit jew how expects ISPs to police unmoderated conferences such as this. Now here is the challenge for the holohuggers, find me. Why do you assume I am still at worldnet? It is a real crap service. Get on with your life and stop harrassing Giwer with your libels to Worldnet. Article 75089 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:56:38 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <544o0c$1kd@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <54214c$flf@juliana.sprynet.com> <542mr7$12u@news.enter.net> <543gfr$qc3@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 20:03:36 -0400, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <543gfr$qc3@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, >kmevay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca wrote: >> >> Rather amateurish actually. > >More amateurish than spelling Ken McVay's name wrong in your attempted forgery? > >posted/e-mailed to abuse@worldnet.att.net It is unclear how an incorrect spelling can be a forgery. Would you care to explain? Article 75082 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:07:22 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <544okg$430@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <5410ql$6sn@juliana.sprynet.com> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 16 Oct 1996 21:37:22 -0400, karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote: >rblackmore@juno.com writes: >>> BTW, what was a "Sonderkommando"? What were the duties of a >>> "Sonderkommando"? Clerical? Janatorial? >>You know what the duties of a Sonderkommando was-disposal >>of the dead. Don't play coy. >Funny thing. I worked in a prison for five years. We didn't designate >anybody--inmate or staff--as official dead-disposer. Why do you think >that such an "office" was necessary in German "labor" camps? So you are saying that those who died in prison were left to rot in their cells. Or you are saying you had another name for them. Which is it? Article 75078 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: thought for the day Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:55:17 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <544ntr$1kd@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82

      Few people realize they are being asked to believe that nearly twice the population of New York City was exterminated, that the bodies were disposed of so expertly that they can not be found after fifty years and that nearly half of those people were Jewish.

      Few people realize they are being asked to believe that, in the middle of war with every resource precious to victory, the Nazis diverted enough resources to deal with twice the population of New York City, to kill more people than they killed in combat and to do this while there was still a chance of losing the war and being found out.

      Few people realize they are being asked to believe that all of it is to be explained by the motivation of blind, unthinking anti-semitism, even the half that were not Jewish.

      Few people realize they are being asked to believe that almost everyone went willingly to the camps, that what was happening was commonly known in the camps without it motivating revolt or even protest, or alternatively that it was a dark secret within the camps even though millions were paraded through the camps for destruction.

      Before the Holocaust became a capitalized word and took on religious significance each part of it had a separate existance. Each part of it could be presented and investigated individually. These days the parts are inseparable from the whole. Article 75064 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: keep it moving - holo1015.zip (0/1) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:55:19 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <544ntt$1kd@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <53ve9h$c68@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On Tue, 15 Oct 1996 21:59:03 +0100, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <53ve9h$c68@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, E@gryn.org wrote: >> Reflections on the Holocaust >ANOTHER forged message by Matt Giwer. I sincerely hope AT&T will take a >serious look at their subscriber and his violations of the law. What law? Even YFE might be honest enough to admit that if the purpose it not illegal, one can be anyone one wishes to be. But the YFE is not honest. He is an attorney. Just talk best price. Article 75088 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: HOAX Re: all my mindless followers must read this - holo1016.zip (0/1) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:55:29 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <544nu6$1kd@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <3265269F.3FF3@ccnis.net> <543p0a$8va@news.enter.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 16 Oct 1996 22:52:58 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> "Annie Alpert, OFB" writes: >> Just lonely old Matt Giwer forging headers again---yawn. >> Ken McVay OBE wrote: >> > >> > unzip a to a directory and browse from the index.htm. > And so far the number of "revisionists" who have said something about >the behavior of the criminal Giwer is: > Zero. > Draw your own conclusions. Draw it with the crayons they permit you. Article 75079 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Giwer Forgery Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:08:27 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <544omh$430@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <54237u$im3@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <543qvf$8va@news.enter.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 16 Oct 1996 23:26:39 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: > The criminal Giwer propagated the following forgery: >> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: >> Giwer must be watching you. He appears to be much better a person >than you >> are, being a Jew and all that. > This has been reported to abuse@worldnet.att.net. Apparently, >however, there is one group that approves of this type of slime. The number of >"revisionists" who have publically disagreed with Giwer's latest tactics is: > Nil > Draw your own conclusions. You appear to be denying what you posted. Why would you do that? Article 75087 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: In case anyone has missed it - holo1016.zip (0/1) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:10:51 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <544or0$430@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Just unzip this into one directory and browse it. For the computer-impaire this may be a challenge but give it a shot. Anyone wishing to carry it on a website, you know where to find me. Article 75094 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: In case anyone has missed it - holo1016.zip (1/1) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:10:52 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 2127 Message-ID: <544otc$430@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 begin 644 holo1016.zip [2178 lines of encoded binary removed] end Article 75071 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: the moral battle Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:32:09 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <544q2v$a6s@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 The moral battle in the Holocaust issue is not between the holohuggers and the deniers but between those who would deny freedom of speech and those who speak freely and damn the holohuggers. Good ideas drive out bad ideas. Good speech drives out bad speech. Speech is not and can not be evil save to those who fear it. Speech is only what it is, an expression of opinion. Those who fear an expression of opinion seek to condemn even theit own speech. Those who support banning speech support their own speech being banned if the political will should turn against them. It it only in the market place of ideas, freely expressed, that we can come to a truth. When speech is suppressed, when free expression is suppressed, we can not come to a truth, only an obedience to suppression. Obedience to suppression is the demolition of liberty. Holohuggers support the demolition of liberty while pretending in their statements not to do so in words only a holohugger would pretend to believe. Holohuggers pretend they are preserving liberty while in fact acting to destroy liberty. Holohuggers wish to preserve only their own liberty while suppressing that of others. In the end they are betting upon the power of the government to support them rather than being against them. It is an amusing and rather desperate politicial position. Article 75090 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!news.insinc.net!news.total.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Will the real Marduk please stand up? Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:37:47 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <544qdk$bir@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <5439kh$6v4@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <543v5p$8va@news.enter.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 17 Oct 1996 00:38:17 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes: >> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: >> > Yes but he also: >> > [List of names Giwer forged under] >> > and, no doubt, more to come. >> > He outnumbers you. >> But does he outnumber us as much as, say, the Morans? > >> I mean, Tom Morans can't keep count of hisselves, can they? (Or >even >> realise they are golems, but that's another matter.) > >> Derek "Census Officer" Bell > What worries me is that between the criminal Giwer's forgeries and >Moran's arithmetical problems, they will be asking for their own congressman at >the next redistricting. Criminal? Can you cite one, and in Uno, 1, one, conviction on these grounds? Give it up, shithead, you are a typical, lying jew lawyer. Article 75093 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!news.insinc.net!news.total.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:42:49 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <544qmv$bir@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <543vfa$8va@news.enter.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 17 Oct 1996 00:43:22 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes: > >> What really happened to the millions of Jews who lived in Poland before >> the WW2? > 90% were murdered. The murderers were your nazi heroes. Does >that clear it up, nazi boy? Please, drop this nonsense once and for all. It does not comport with the One B Systems approach to promoting Israel. Article 75099 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Kayser Hoesse` Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:18:02 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 2 Message-ID: <544tlj$l4h@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Amazing how these "nazis" embody pre and post war evil. Article 75266 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: a future event Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 23:16:47 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <546eqg$ejs@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 In this newsgroup in ten years, the holohuggers will be challenging people to prove there was ever any claim that anyone was gassed and calling them neo-nazi and antisemitic if they continue in that claim. Article 75212 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: 2000 unremembered Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 23:52:13 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <546gsv$5cs@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Considering the way the Bransk village priest was mercilessly lampooned by Marzynski, the most obscene aspect of the production [Shtetl] is the fact that the actual priest in Bransk at the time of the Nazi Occupation was himself killed for sheltering Jews. Related to this fact, the matter was brought up that every year the names of 2,000 Polish priests and nuns, who were killed for sheltering Jews, are presented to the administration of Yad Vashem for appropriate commemoration; and every year the list is summarily rejected despite irrefutable evidence that these individuals died because they protected Jews. Article 75270 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Everybody screws up Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 00:00:02 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <546hbl$9q4@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 The actual fate of the Jews of Bransk is more fascinating than any fiction that Marzynski et al, could concoct. During the war, Romaniuk noted, Bransk and its environs were under Nazi Occupation for a relatively brief period. Bransk was one of the earliest Soviet conquests when they advanced westward. As soon as the Soviets arrived, the Jews joined forces with them and imediately began to persecute Poles. After the war, the 73 Jews who returned to Bransk literally decimated the local population by denouncing Poles to the KGB and the NKVD. Those hapless Poles who were not slaughtered on the spot were sent to Siberia. Too late did the Jews of Bransk realize that they had killed off the only available clientele for the goods and services they were accustomed to providing. Many Bransk Jews turned to criminal activity for their livelihoods. A number of Polish law enforcement officers lost their lives trying to bring the Jewish bandits of Bransk to justice. Criminal gang activity was described as the underpinning of the violent incidents so extravagantly embellished by Yaffa Eliach. Article 75292 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: nizkor@nizkoor.bc.ca (Niz-kor Canada) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: FORGERY ALERT (Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 00:18:41 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <543tlr$l0a@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <53t2jd$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> <53vjls$6s3@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <543em0$a09@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:22:28 -0400, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >Another forged post by Matt Giwer of worldnet.att.net. > >Posted and e-mailed to abuse@worldnet.att.net >In article <543em0$a09@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, >kmevay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca wrote: >> >> Get over it, little one.. Why all the false and malicious complaints? Article 75395 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: FORGERY ALERT (Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:13:25 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <547l9s$29d@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <53t2jd$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com> <53vjls$6s3@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <545rmd$g7k@bell.maths.tcd.ie> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 17 Oct 1996 18:51:09 +0100, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote: >dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: >>dkeren-@world.std.com (Danial Keren) writes: >>This was a forgery, posted from worldnet. >>We all know who posted it, of course. > He'll probably deny it, claiming he was fighting off the Marduks; >else he'll forge again. But "marduk" and all if Internet Direct of Canada has admitted to it. Are you not reading the news group? What a stupid little, holohugging shit you and they are. >>Note that the poor, unemployed, drunk slob couldn't >>even spell my name right... > Or your email-address, either. >>"revisionists"... what a bunch of low-life scumbags. > You're being too kind to them!! > Derek >-- >Derek Bell dbell@maths.tcd.ie WWW: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dbell/index.html > "Donuts - is there _anything_ they can't do?" - Homer Simpson The wit and wisdom of Homer Simpson appeals to you. Have you considered a brain graft? Article 75397 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:09:55 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <547l3e$29d@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <326b4064.9264619@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <5426ks$flf@juliana.sprynet.com> <3265FE98.3F54@itsa.ucsf.edu> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On Thu, 17 Oct 1996 02:38:32 -0700, Brian Harmon wrote: >rblackmore@juno.com wrote: >> >> > jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes: >> > rblackmore@juno.com wrote: >> >> Either way, it is irrelevant what >> > > Hoess wrote then or before as it is all absolute rubbish. >> > > Neither 1.3 million died, nor 4 million, nor 4.5 million, >> > > nor 2 million, nor 2,5 million. Get the >> > >point? It is all worthless. Now, where is the proof that anyone >> > >was gassed at Auschwitz? Are you relying on Hoess? >> > >> > Piper does not rely on Hoess, nor did Georges Wellers. As I recall, >> > Piper rejected all of Hoess' figures since they were all guesses >> > anyway. >> >> Not guesses, but fabrications, IMO. >Well, 'in your opinion' Kramer did all he could to help >the inmates of Belsen, which included: > > - refusing to give them water > - refusing to give them food > - refusing to give them medical attention > - forcing them to work without any of the above. It is unclear why tens of thousands of "prisoners" who outnumbered their guards 1000 to 1, in the face of certain death, did not in any manner object to what you claim. But of course, you ask us to believe that. Article 75378 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: By comparison Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 08:45:02 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <547g44$e6f@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Of course there were survivors of the Holocaust who knew of gassing. And there were Jewish survivors of the Gulf War who survived the gassing by Scud missiles. They said the smelled it. Hospitals treated them for it. Therefore Jews were gassed duing the Gulf War. We have eyewitness testimony to it. Article 75385 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news2.acs.oakland.edu!nntp.coast.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: The subversion of Disney by Eisner Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 08:49:54 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 71 Message-ID: <547gd9$e6f@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT FINAL XXXXX OCTOBER 18, 1996 XXXXX MICKEY MOUSE BUSTED FOR ACID HOLLYWOOD -- Nice DISNEY. Evil DISNEY. Once again, the men and women in Burbank are sending out mixed messages. This town is filled with cute images of the new 101 DALMATIANS movie; city busses have been painted over with adorable black and white spots; an 8-story billboard featuring Cruella De Vil and her pups is going up on the strip. The spirit of good old-fashioned DISNEY fun is in the air. But wait! On the night before Halloween, DISNEY owned HOLLYWOOD RECORDS will turn and release the new album from that not-so-cuddly thrasher, DANZIG. The album is called BLACKACIDEVIL. Heavy Medal is in at Snow White's Castle: Ms. White, may I have this dance? How about this classic Danzig song: SNAKES OF CHRIST 'time to run time to hide holy war in the land of fire never tempt the wrath of gods gonna dance in the death of life take the hand enter the world just remember you will surely die never sell evil for lies gonna give you the kiss of live' chorus: serpents of the lord crawling to the will of god serpents of your lord crawling all evil 'serpent jesus snake of christ nailed to a cross of a holy design blood to water water to wine whip the soul 'til a mother cries bring it down pierce the side start the legend w/a funeral rite serpent jesus snake of christ gonna build you a world of lies' The LOS ANGELES TIMES reports in its Friday editions that up until now, DISNEY has shied away from being directly affiliated with controversial rap acts and rock 'n' roll bands. DISNEY recently secured DANZIG by outbidding TIME WARNER with a reported seven-figure multi-layered deal. The new album, BLACKACIDEVIL, is loaded with dark, provocative, Gothic and hard sexual imagery. And DISNEY'S release date of October 30th is designed to celebrate and cash-in on the night known in some cities as 'Devil's Night.' What until the Christian fundamentalist get a hold of this one. Article 75391 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news2.acs.oakland.edu!nntp.coast.net!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING THE RETIREMENT OF THE GIWER-SWINE HOMEPAGE Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:31:28 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 116 Message-ID: <547ir7$pj1@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <545m6g$kr7@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 17 Oct 1996 16:17:20 GMT, marduk@netcom.ca (Marduk) wrote: >Since the common objective has been attained, namely the exposure of the >Pig-Giwer as a common jew-hater, and since all good things must eventually end, >the Giwer-Swine Homepage (http://www.babylonians.com) shall, at least for the >moment, return to its original purpose: the dissemination of fast-breaking news >in the exciting and challenging field of assyriological research. >Wishing you champagne hugs and cuneiform kisses. In other words, you job hangs by a thread and you gave in before he started posting it on net.abuse regarding Internet Direct. Now that the spokesrat for idirect has been exposed as a liar and all of idrect as irresponsible for letting JEW employees use the companies for their personal objectives, the company is going to take down the page. You fucking little jew liars are the scum of the earth. You are sanctimonious, self-righteous and self-annointed. And this means the pig=jews that follow. And remember that Colin MacGregor lied and all of idirect lied. Kaspu Corporation (BABYLONIANS-DOM) 2788 Bathurst St. #218 Toronto, Ontario M6B-3A3 Canada Domain Name: BABYLONIANS.COM Administrative Contact: Manny Amaral (MA13-ORG) babyblue@IDIRECT.COM (416) 233-7150 Fax: (416) 233-6970 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Herczeg, Laszlo (LH90) las@IDIRECT.COM +1 416 233-7150 Billing Contact: Bell, Howard (HB180) dns@IDIRECT.COM 416-233-7150 Record last updated on 28-Aug-96. Record created on 28-Aug-96. Domain servers in listed order: CNS1.IDIRECT.COM 207.136.66.20 CNS2.IDIRECT.COM 207.136.80.18 The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. ===== Manny Amaral (MA13-ORG) babyblue@IDIRECT.COM Internet Direct 5415 Dundas St. West Etobicoke, ON M9B-1B5 CANADA (416) 233-7150 Fax: (416) 233-6970 Record last updated on 23-Aug-96. To see this organization record with registered members, repeat the command with a star ('*') before the name; or, use '%' to show JUST the registered members. The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. ===== Herczeg, Laszlo (LH90) las@IDIRECT.COM 5150 Dundas Street West Etobicoke, Ontario M9A 1C3 CA +1 416 233-7150 Record last updated on 05-Jun-96. The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. ===== Bell, Howard (HB180) dns@IDIRECT.COM Compulink Online Internet Direct 5415 Dundas St. W. #301 Toronto, ON M4P 1B5 CA 416-233-7150 Record last updated on 23-May-96. The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. Article 75390 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: GIWER: die Spaltung Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:33:19 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <547ium$pj1@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:19:57 -0600, bodhi@sattva.org (Bodhisattva) wrote: >Finally, after attempting to fit a square peg (Giwer's anti-Semitic world >view, which commits him to "denying" an historical event) into a much >smaller round hole (reality), Giwer has finally split into several >different personalities. >It was only bound to happen. First, a dangerous mix - brooding hatred, >low intellect, bumpy skull with sloping brow - then, constant refutation >by his intellectual and moral superiors. What do you have? >A "Spaltung" in the purest sense of the world. A break from reality, a >break from the self, manifesting itself in the adoption of several >different personalities. One can only imagine that as he types these >incoherent, embarrassing (to himself) forged messages, Giwer is clambering >about his tarpaper shack like an ape, wearing only an old, tattered >curtain about his loins to contain the filth he cannot keep inside. >It is a sad thought indeed. Mental illness...our nation's silent tragedy. As the nation you refer to in "our" must be India it is unclear why you do not burn alive at birth instead of waiting until they are married and can not provide a large enough dowry. Article 75399 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.ibm.net.il!news.stealth.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Happy "Columbus Was a Jew" Day Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:36:49 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 44 Message-ID: <547j57$pj1@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <32708da3.10984890@199.0.216.204> <32638254.5703@ccnis.net> <326de2a0.1354889@199.0.216.204> <544ntv$1kd@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <3266977D.6844@nbnet.nb.ca> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:30:53 -0300, Keith Morrison wrote: >The Prime Asshole wrote: >[deleted] [inserted] On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:34:08 -0400, Konrad Vandegaer wrote: >> >The story is that Columbus' parents (or was it grandparents?) were >> >forcibly converted from Judasim to Catholicism during the Spanish >> >Inquisition. > Strange considering that Columbus was ITALIAN. Of course jews being > as smart as they are would know this. Thus, it becomes apparent, the > story must have been concocted by a revisionist and falsely attributed > to the jews. Will they ever learn that this type of thing won't work? > Sad to say, I don't think so. If they could learn from their flubs then > they'd be smart enough to know that revisionism is garbage. Thus it > goes "ad infinitum" and the rest of us must remain ever vigilant that > their line doesn't become accepted fact. As all the liberals insist, history can not be controlled. Yet we have discovered in the last decade that all famous people in history were black, female and jewish. But we must remember that if Columbus was in fact jewish that every other exposition of Columbus applies to the jewish Columbus. ===== >Get a life, Giwer. You need to get your own life. You fools are so damn stupid you have no idea what you are doing. Article 75326 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: TLC programming Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:46:08 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <547jmm$spa@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 TLC programming 8:00 pm: Columbus was really a Jew 8:30 pm: Columbus was really a murderous slavetrader John Rhys-Davies summary: There you have it. Columbus was really a jewish, murderous slavetrader. ADL: [unintelligable due to the frothing at the mouth] Article 75347 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (Ken McVey) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: An Open Question to Tom Moran and Kurt Stele Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:22:52 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <547lrj$8kl@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <5469c4$rs0@news.enter.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 17 Oct 1996 21:44:36 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes: >> Ironically, in a discussion of his attempts at forgery, Matt Giwer tries >> yet ANOTHER forgery, this time Dr. Keren. And again, he spells the name >> incorrectly. >> I suppose this is his "excuse," that he is not spelling the name >> accurately, so it really isn't forged. > >> His motives are obvious, and I hope worldnet.att.net will do something >> about it soon. > They did. Giwer's account was terminated Monday. This was *before* his >current spate of forgeries. You have a very serious problem with chronolgy. But keep wasting your time and effort with your jew harrassment. You are sick and disgusting. And you are jew. Article 75420 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.coast.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (Ken McVey) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: FORGERY ALERT Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:16:35 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <547lfr$29d@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <53vjls$6s3@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <545rmd$g7k@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <5460te$4d@viper.txdirect.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 17 Oct 1996 19:20:14 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken McVay) wrote: >In article <545rmd$g7k@bell.maths.tcd.ie>, > dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote: >>He'll probably deny it, claiming he was fighting off the Marduks; >It matters not - troll posts, cancels toast. End of problem. >Round One: Troll 0, Cancels 46 (July 1996) >Round Two: Troll 0, Cancels 109 (October 1996) >Round Three promises to be far more interesting, although the >result will be exactly the same. It is always of note when holohuggers advertise the silencing of the dissenters by means other than open debate. It is not as though there is any secret as to the objectives or the means. It is all that holohuggers are capable of doing. They are such scum. Article 75424 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (Ken McVey) Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.palestine Subject: Re: An Open Question to Tom Moran and Kurt Stele Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:29:08 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <547m7b$a5k@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <3258957C.3767@ns.sympatico.ca> <5425si$pgr@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <543uvb$7bg@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <5458sn$67g@tricia.msn.fullfeed.com> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.conspiracy:100762 alt.revisionism:75424 soc.culture.israel:47264 soc.culture.jewish:83833 soc.culture.palestine:22359 On 17 Oct 1996 12:30:15 GMT, gtaylor@shell1.msn.fullfeed.com (Gregory Taylor) wrote: >In article <543uvb$7bg@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, >Niz-kor Canada Alegamest wrote: >Well, well - what's that "worldnet" string doing in the article identifier, >I wonder. And look at the typing - ine might almost conclude that some >bonehead fluffed even *that*. Being in drag works better when you shave, >Matt. >Pretty sad business when you've gotta come up with folks who're sympathetic >to you by *inventing* 'em, ain't it? Almost as pathetic as inventing some >kind of Strawman named Moshe. If he is so dumb, why is he still posting? ===== Niz-kor made this happen Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE Article 75427 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!news.atl.bellsouth.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Interesting Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:17:15 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <547i0h$ma3@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <53kdr8$gnd@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <53vff9$hrp@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 17 Oct 96 10:25:03, alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote: ><*[*] [*] [EE] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +> ><+[Re: Interesting] [15 Oct 96 03:45][*][0]*> >I'll be sure to route any flames going my way back to you, Matt. >With interest. No you won't. From kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac Sat Oct 19 10:45:29 PDT 1996 Article: 75677 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: nizkor@nizkoor.dc.ac (Niz-kor Canada Alegamest) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Matt Giwer of Florida is a Nazi Sympathizer; give him a ring and tell him! Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 02:07:58 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 73 Message-ID: <5443uh$sj@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <53bdoh$9r3@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <53dv2v$ru6@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <53ehbr$14n@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <53f86b$f2n@news1.panix.com> <325CA2CD.2A77@sprynet.com> <53jh1n$c2e@news1.panix.com> <53jkqd$934@is05.micron.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:33545 alt.revisionism:75677 On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:16:54 +0100, Dene Bebbington wrote: >Kurt Stele wrote: >>"SHANE C. RESEWEHR" wrote: >> >>> Who cares, you little weasel! Do you have any idea what a Nazi >>>sympathizer stands for? NO! YOU DON`T! So do not condemn what you cannot >>>comprehend! >> >>Giwer is no Nazi. >I can think of many other words that would describe him. Like what? Please be specific. >> He is a man who wants the truth >Kurt, but why don't you visit planet earth someday? Excuse me but it is unclear just why you believe you have a lock on the truth when you folks can not even agree upon what the truth is in any detail. >>, and like other revisionists >>will not >>be intimidated into silence by the evasive slanders, ignoble shadow-tactics, >>and >>the >>disgraceful light-blocking of the exterminationist side. >Evasive slanders: yes, this describes Giwer >Ignoble shadow-tactics: Giwer forges posts from other people >Disgraceful light-blocking: yes, this describes Giwer You may recall the grade school "I'm rubber, you're glue" routine. You do appear to have remembered it well. Do you have anything to add yourself? Or is this juvenile crap the best you can do? >So one is left with the conclusion that these tactics you mention are >actually more appropriate to Giwer the revisonist. The holocaust writers are the ones who eliminated most of the Nuremberg finds about the "holocaust." Four nations in complete control of Europe expended millions of man-hours work and had unlimited resources to uncover the facts. Holocaust writers, rarely with more resources than their full time job, have taken it upon themselves to reject most of the Nuremberg findings. Now just who is doing the revising? Do you have the vaguest idea who is "revising" things? Keren here keeps trying to claim a diesel engine was mistaken for steam when there is a clear statement from an eyewitness who described the steam equipment used. Keren is a revisionist. And the reason is that the story of the holocaust can not stand on the Nuremberg record, yet Nuremberg expended thoudsands of times more time and effort than these writers have. So where do these writers get off revising the Nuremberg record? What gives them any credibility in your mind? ===== Read the information holohuggers fear http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE From kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac Sat Oct 19 10:46:13 PDT 1996 Article: 75554 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!chi-news.cic.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Happy "Columbus Was a Jew" Day Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:55:21 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <544ntv$1kd@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <32708da3.10984890@199.0.216.204> <32638254.5703@ccnis.net> <326de2a0.1354889@199.0.216.204> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:34:08 -0400, Konrad Vandegaer wrote: >> >The story is that Columbus' parents (or was it grandparents?) were >> >forcibly converted from Judasim to Catholicism during the Spanish >> >Inquisition. > Strange considering that Columbus was ITALIAN. Of course jews being > as smart as they are would know this. Thus, it becomes apparent, the > story must have been concocted by a revisionist and falsely attributed > to the jews. Will they ever learn that this type of thing won't work? > Sad to say, I don't think so. If they could learn from their flubs then > they'd be smart enough to know that revisionism is garbage. Thus it > goes "ad infinitum" and the rest of us must remain ever vigilant that > their line doesn't become accepted fact. As all the liberals insist, history can not be controlled. Yet we have discovered in the last decade that all famous people in history were black, female and jewish. But we must remember that if Columbus was in fact jewish that every other exposition of Columbus applies to the jewish Columbus. From kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac Sat Oct 19 10:47:55 PDT 1996 Article: 75553 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!chi-news.cic.net!newspump.sol.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Columbus the Jew Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:55:23 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <544nu1$1kd@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Now that Columbus has been identified as Jewish we must remember that he was also an enslaver and a genocidal maniac as was the Christian Columbus. It is amusing to discover that the Discoverer Columbus was Jewish and the Genocidal Columbus was Christian. Columbus must have been quite schizo as are all holohuggers. From kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac Sat Oct 19 10:47:56 PDT 1996 Article: 75579 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!chi-news.cic.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: learning Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:55:36 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <544nud$1kd@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <5423nt$im3@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <543pgr$8va@news.enter.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 16 Oct 1996 23:01:47 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: >> I know the most embarrassing part of my holocaust is the complete and total >> lack of physical evidence. I know it all rests upon self contradictory >> witnesses. >> >> But let me stress that I will lie, cheat and steal to promote this >> holocaust as if it goes away, I do not have a life. >> >> >>>>> > A copy of this forgery has been sent to abuse@worldnet.att.net. > --YFE The libel continues. From kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac Sat Oct 19 10:47:57 PDT 1996 Article: 75650 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!chi-news.cic.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: zionism again Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:55:37 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <544nuf$1kd@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 102.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Fact: Zionists collaborated with the Nazis to prevent emmigration to any place but Palestine Fact: Zionistst lobbied every other country to cooperate with the policy they negotiated with Nazi Germany Fact: Zionists continue these policies to this very day. Article 75754 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: After all, it was just a movie Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 00:04:35 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <546hk5$ckb@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 In Schindler's List Morgen's entire investigation of Goeth was reduced to a scene in which fleeting reference is made to Goeth having his books "audited." If you blinked, you missed it. The crucial truth that Steven Spielberg withheld from his audience is that in September of 1944, Goeth was arrested by the Central Office of the SS Judiciary and imprisoned on charges of theft and the murder of concentration camp inmates. Spielberg was certainly aware of this fact, since the arrest is mentioned in chapter 31 of the book by Keneally upon which the movie is allegedly based. [Verification of the arrest and/or prosecution of Commandant Goeth by the SS can be found in Reuben Ainsztein's Jewish Resistance in Nazi Occupied Eastern Europe, p. 845; in the affidavit of Obersturmbannfuhrer Kurt Mittelstaedt, chief of the SS Central Judiciary at Munich and Morgen's immediate superio; and in the testimony of Morgen himself (cf. vol. 42, IMT "Blue series," p. 556]. Article 75810 of alt.revisionism: Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Danny's shrunken head Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 00:47:17 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 45 Message-ID: <546k4c$8l8@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kmevay@oneb.almanac.dc.ac NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.tampa-1.fl.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Our first photo shows what is alleged to be a collection of medical specimens which the American troops found on liberating the camp Buchenwald. These specimens are said to be parts of the bodies of deceased inmates. Lampshades, book bindings and bookmarks of tattooed human skin, as well as two shrunken heads, caused a particular sensation. Aside from the general Nuremberg indictment, these served as the primary evidence in the trials of Ilse Koch, the wife of the former Commandant of Buchenwald. She was said to select living inmates on the basis of their tattoos, and to have them killed in order to have various commodities manufactured from their skins. In his detailed study of the matter, A. L. Smith found that the objects which the U.S. Commission had identified as consisting of human skin disappeared without a trace after being sent to the International Military Tribunal (IMT) in Nuremberg.7 According to a statement of the American General Clay, the alleged 'lampshades from human skin' were in fact made of goat hide.8 All the objects discovered later were either of imitation leather or animal hide, fabric or pasteboard. The charges brought against Ilse Koch later, before a German court, were based solely on the untrustworthy testimony of the professional witnesses from Dachau trials, which Manfred Köhler has already discussed in the present volume. Amid the atmosphere of hysteria, "propaganda and mass suggestion"9 prevailing at the time, Ilse Koch - who had previously been sentenced to life imprisonment by the Americans in Dachau, but had eventually been pardoned - was again sentenced to life imprisonment by a German court, and later committed suicide. The two shrunken heads that were submitted in evidence turned out to be of South American origin, and bore the inventory control number of a German anthropological museum.

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