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THE PRESIDENT: You haven't referred us back to the order,
but are you referring to Page 36 of the prosecution's trial
brief, or rather British Document Book?

DR. KRANZBUHLER: Yes, Mr. President, Page 36 of the British
Document Book.

THE PRESIDENT: There are two orders there, are there not?

DR. KRANZBUHLER: No. It is one order with four numbered

THE PRESIDENT: Well, there are two paragraphs, aren't there?
There is paragraph 1 and there is paragraph 2 of 17th
September, 1942.

DR. KRANZBUHLER: I think you mean the excerpt from the War
Diary of the Commander, U-boats, which is also on Page 36 in
the document book.

THE PRESIDENT: Hadn't you better read the phrase that you
are referring to?

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DR. KRANZBUHLER Yes. I am speaking now of the second
sentence, dated 17th September, under figure 1, on Page 36
of the prosecution's document book.


DR. KRANZBUHLER: The second sentence reads "Rescue is
contrary to the most primitive laws of warfare for the
destruction of enemy ships and crews." That is the sentence
on which Admiral Donitz commented just now.

THE PRESIDENT: On Page 36, the first order is one to "All
Commanding Officers," and paragraph 1 of it begins: "No
attempt of any kind must be made at rescuing members of
ships." Is that the paragraph you are referring to?

DR. KRANZBUHLER: Yes, to the second sentence, Mr. President,
"Rescue is contrary to the most primitive laws of warfare
for the destruction of enemy ships and crews."

THE PRESIDENT: What about the next paragraph, 17th
September, 1942, paragraph 2?

DR. KRANZBUHLER: I am just about to put that to him. That is
an entry in the war diary on which I would like to question
him now.


Q. Admiral, I now put to you an entry in your war diary of
17th September there we find:-

  "All commanders are again advised that attempts to rescue
  crews of ships sunk, are contrary to the most primitive
  laws of warfare for the destruction of enemy ships and
  their crews. Orders about picking up of captains and
  chief engineers remain in force."

THE PRESIDENT: It is differently translated in our document
book. You said: "After destruction of enemy ships ..." In
our translation it is "... annihilating enemy ships and
their crews."

DR. KRANZBUHLER: I think it should be "for," Mr. President.

THE WITNESS: This entry in the war diary refers to the four
regular wireless messages which I sent during the Laconia
incident, and which were also acknowledged.


Q. One moment, Admiral. Please, explain to the Tribunal
first how such entries in the war diary were made. Who kept
the war diary? Did you yourself keep it or who did that?

A. If I am not to conceal anything here, I have to say that
the keeping of the war diary was a difficult matter for me,
because there were no reliable officers available for this
task. That entry, as I suspected, and as has been confirmed
to me here, was made by a former chief navigator, who tried
to condense my orders during the entire case into an entry
of this sort. Of course, I was responsible for each entry;
but this entry had in reality no actual consequences; my
wireless order was the essential thing.

Q. Admiral, the decisive point here, in my opinion, is
whether that entry is a record of your actual reflections or
whether it is only an excerpt from the wireless order, an
extract which had been noted down by a subordinate according
to his best knowledge and ability.

A. The latter is correct. My own lengthy deliberations were
concerned with the order of the Naval Operations Command,
the order of the Fuehrer, and my own serious decision,
whether or not I should discontinue that method of warfare
but they are not included in the war diary.

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Q. Admiral, will you explain what is meant in the war diary
by the entry:

  "All commanders are advised again," and so on.

A. I do not know exactly what that means. My staff, which is
here, has told me that it referred to the four wireless
messages which I had sent; because before the Laconia case,
no statement on this subject had been made. "Again,"
therefore, means that this was the fifth wireless message.

Q. Thus the order of 17th September, 1942, was, for you, the
end of the Laconia incident?

A. Yes.

Q. To whom was it directed?

A. As far as I can remember, it was directed only to
submarines in the open sea. For the various operation areas
- North Atlantic, Middle Atlantic, South Atlantic - we had
different wireless channels. The other submarines, since
they were in contact with convoys, and since rescue measures
were, therefore, out of the question for them, could simply
shelve the order. But I now find that the order was sent out
to all submarines; that is, through all the channels; it was
a technical matter of communication, which, of course, was

Q. You have said that the fundamental consideration
underlying the entire order was the overwhelming danger of
air attack. If that is correct, how could you in the same
order maintain the directive for the rescue of captains and
engineer officers?

A. There is, of course, a great difference in risk between
rescue measures for which the submarine has to stop and men
have to go on deck, and a brief surfacing to pick up a
captain, because, while merely surfacing, the submarine
remains in a state of alert, whereas otherwise that
alertness is completely disrupted.

However, one thing is clear. There was a military purpose in
the seizure of these captains and engineer officers, for
which I had received orders from the Naval Operations
Command. As a matter of principle, and generally, I would
say that in the pursuit of a military aim, that is to say,
not rescue work, but the capture of important enemies, one
must and can run a certain risk. Besides, that addition was
not significant in my view, because I knew that in practice,
it had very meagre results, I might say, no results at all.

I remember quite clearly having asked myself: "Why do we
still pick them up?" It was not our intention, however, to
drop an order of that importance, but the essential points
are, first the risk, which is much greater when the state of
alert is not maintained, and secondly, the pursuit of an
important military aim.

Q. What do you mean by the last sentence in the order: "Be

A. I had preached to my U-boat commanders for five-and-a-
half years, that they should be severe with themselves. And
when giving this order, I again felt that I had to emphasize
to my commanders in a very drastic way my whole concern and
my grave responsibility for the submarines, and, thus the
necessity of prohibiting rescue activities, in view of the
overwhelming power of the enemy air force. Because it is
very definite that on one side there is the harshness of
war, the necessity of saving one's own submarine; and, on
the other, the traditional sentiment of the seaman.

Q. You heard the witness, Lieutenant Commander Mohle state
in this Court that he misunderstood the order in the sense
that survivors should be killed, and in several cases he
instructed submarine commanders in that sense.

A. Mohle is -

Q. One moment, Admiral. I want to put a question first.

As commanding officer, do you not have to assume
responsibility for a mis-understanding of your order?

A. Of course, I am responsible for all orders, for their
form and their contents. Mohle, however, is the only person
who had doubts about the meaning of that order. I regret
that Mohle did not find occasion to clarify these doubts
immediately, either through me, to whom everybody had access
at all times, or through

                                                  [Page 239]

the numerous staff officers, who, as members of my staff
were either also partly responsible, or participated in the
drafting of these orders, or as another alternative, through
his immediate superior in Kiel.

I am convinced that the few U-boat commanders, to whom he
communicated his doubts, remained quite unaffected by them.
If there were any consequences, of course I would assume
responsibility for them.

Q. You are acquainted with the case of Naval Lieutenant Eck,
who, after the sinking of the Greek steamer Peleus, in the
spring of 1944, actually fired on life-boats. What is your
view of this incident?

A. As Lieutenant Eck stated at the end of his examination
under oath, he knew nothing of Mohle's interpretation or
Mohle's doubts, nor of the completely reversed message, of
my decision in the case of U-386. That was the incident
which Mohle mentioned when the submarine found pneumatic
rafts carrying airmen, and I voiced my disapproval because
he had not taken them on board; a written criticism of his
actions was also forwarded to him. On the other hand, some
authority pointed out that he had not destroyed these
survivors. Eck knew nothing about the interpretation or the
doubts of the Mohle order, nor of this affair. He acted on
his own decision, and his aim was not to kill survivors, but
to remove the wreckage; because he was certain that
otherwise this wreckage would on the following day give a
clue to Anglo-American planes, and that they would spot and
destroy him. His purpose, therefore, was entirely different
from the one stated in the Mohle interpretation.

Q. Eck said during his examination, that he had counted on
your approval of his actions. Did you ever hear anything at
all about the Eck case during the war?

A. No. It was during my interrogation here when I heard
about it, for Eck was taken prisoner during that very

Q. Do you approve of what he did, now that you know of it?

A. I do not, because, as I said before in this connection,
one must not deviate from military ethics under any

However, I want to say that Captain Eck was faced with a
very grave decision. He had to bear the responsibility for
his boat and his crew, and that responsibility is a very
serious one in time of war.

Therefore, if for the reason that he believed his submarine
would otherwise be discovered and destroyed - and that
reason was not unfounded, because, in the same operational
area, and during the same time, four submarines, I think,
had been bombed - if he came to his decision for that
reason, then a German court martial would undoubtedly have
taken it into consideration.

I believe that after the war, one views events differently,
and does not fully realize the responsibility which an
unfortunate commander had to bear.

Q. Apart from the Eck case, did you, during or after the
war, hear of any other instance in which a U-boat commander
fired on shipwrecked people or life rafts?

A. Not a single one.

Q. You know, do you not, the documents of the prosecution,
which describe the sinking of the ships Noreen Mary and
Antonico? Do you or do you not recognize the soundness of
these documents as evidence according to your experience in
these matters?

A. No. I believe that they cannot stand the test of an
impartial examination. We have a large number of similar
reports about the other side, and we were always of the
opinion, and also stated that opinion in writing to the
Fuehrer and the OKW, that one must view these cases with a
good deal of scepticism, because a shipwrecked person can
easily believe that he is being fired on whereas the shots
may not be aimed at him at all, but at the ship.

The fact that the prosecution gives just these two examples
proves to me that my conviction is correct, that apart from
the Eck case no further instances of this kind occurred
during those long years in the ranks of the great German U-
boat force.

                                                  [Page 240]

Q. You mentioned previously the discussion with the Fuehrer
in May, 1942, during which the problem whether it was
permissible to kill survivors was examined, or at least
touched upon by the Fuehrer. Was that question re-examined
at any time by the chief of the submarine command or the
Naval Operations Command?

A. When I had become Supreme Commander of the Navy -

Q. That was in 1943?

A. It was in the summer of 1943, I think, that I received a
letter from the Foreign Office in which I was informed that
about 87 per cent of the crews of merchant ships which had
been sunk were getting back home; I was told that was a
disadvantage, and was asked whether it was not possible to
do something about it.

Thereupon I had a letter sent to the Foreign Office in which
I wrote that I had already been forced to prohibit rescue
because it endangered the submarines, but that any further
measures were out of the question.

Q. There is an entry in the War Diary of the Naval
Operations Command which deals with this case. I submit this
entry as Donitz 42, on Pages 92 to 94, in Volume 2 of the
document book.

I shall read as introduction the first and second sentences
of Page 92. The entry is dated 4 April, 1943.

  "The German Foreign Office pointed out a statement of the
  British Transport Minister according to which, following
  sinkings of Merchant vessels, an average of 87 per cent
  of the crews were saved. On the subject of this statement
  the Naval Operations Command made a comprehensive reply
  to the Foreign Office."

Then there is the reply on the next pages; and I should like
to call to your attention a part of it first, under (1),
about the number of convoy ships sunk. What is the
importance of that in this connection?

A. That so many people certainly got back home.

Q. Furthermore, under (2), it is mentioned that the seamen
do not need a long period of training, with the exception of
officers, and that an order for the picking up of captains
and chief engineers already existed. What is the meaning of

A. It is intended to emphasize that a matter like that is
being judged in the wrong light.

Q. One moment. By "a matter like that," you mean the
usefulness, from a military point of view, of killing the

A. I mean that crews are always available to the enemy, or
unskilled men can very quickly be trained.

Q. Under (4) you point to the great danger of reprisals
against your own submarine crews. Did such reprisals against
German U-boat crews occur at any time in the course of the

A. I do not know. I did not hear anything about reprisals in
that respect. I only received reliable reports that when U-
boats were bombed and destroyed from the air, the men
swimming in the water were shot at. But whether these were
individual acts or reprisals, or carried out on orders, I do
not know. I assume they were individual acts.

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