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Q. Very well. Then I would like to ask you, wore you present
when the incident in Munich occurred at the Kuenstlerhaus
Inn - with the man who accosted Streicher?

A. Yes.

Q. Can you give us a description of how that incident
occurred?

A. Well, Herr Streicher left the inn after dinner. I cannot
remember the exact words any more but I am going to try to
describe it as well as possible. Streicher left the inn, and
as he went out that man approached Streicher in an - may I
say - improper manner. Streicher continued on his way and
was speechless at first. He asked the people around him,
myself also, whether we knew that man. Nobody knew him.

Then Streicher sent his son, Lothar, back into the room
again to speak to the man and to ask him what the reason was
for such behaviour. Lothar Streicher came out and said that
the man had behaved just in the same manner again.

Q. Will you please be more brief? You should only tell us
how that incident

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occurred and what caused you and Herr Streicher to use
violence against the man.

A. You mean his behaviour?

Q. Yes. What happened then?

A. Streicher asked for a room, and in that room Streicher
spoke to the man personally. There again the man made
offensive remarks, and then it came to blows, first with
Lothar Streicher. The man was strong, and of course all of
us helped to get him down.

Q. All right.

DR. MARX: I have finished the questioning of this witness,
Mr. President.

THE PRESIDENT: Do any of the defence counsel want to ask any
questions?

Do any of the prosecution counsel wish to cross-examine?
Then the witness can retire.

(The witness retired.)

DR. MARX: Then I should like to call the witness Wurzbacher,
if he is available ... Is he not? I don't know which one of
the witnesses is still in the witness room. Is there anyone?
Wurzbacher? Hiemer?

THE MARSHAL: Frau Streicher is available.

THE PRESIDENT: Is not the witness Wurzbacher here?

THE MARSHAL: I will see, sir. He was not here a while ago.
He was not called for.

THE PRESIDENT: What other witnesses have you got, Dr. Marx?

DR. MARX: The wife of the defendant could be called as a
witness, now.

THE PRESIDENT: Very well, let her be called, then.

THE MARSHAL: The witness Strobel is available now.

THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Marx wants to call Frau Streicher.

DR. MARX: Excuse me, Mr. President. If it is rather
difficult to call Frau Streicher, then the witness -

ADELE STREICHER, a witness, took the stand and testified as
follows:-

BY THE PRESIDENT:

Q. Will you give me your full name?

A. Adele Streicher.

Q. Will you repeat this oath after me:-

I swear by God, the Almighty and Omniscient, that I will
speak the pure truth and will withhold and add nothing.

(The witness repeated the oath.)

THE PRESIDENT: You may sit down.


DIRECT EXAMINATION

BY DR. MARX:

Q. Your maiden name is Tappe, and you were born in
Magdeburg?

A. Yes.

Q. Were you a member of the N.S.D.A.P. or of the
Frauenschaft?

A. No.

Q. When did you become Herr Streicher's secretary and for
how long were you in that job?

A. On 7 June, 1940, I became Julius Streicher's secretary
and I remained in that job until the end of the war.

Q. And during that period, you were continuously on his
farm?

A. Yes, I was always with him.

Q. Were you in charge of all the correspondence for Herr
Streicher?

A. Yes.

Q. What did that correspondence mainly consist of?

A. Mainly letters to his sons and to relatives.

Q. What were Streicher's activities during that period of
five years?

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A. Julius Streicher mainly did physical work; that is,
agriculture and gardening, and from time to time he wrote
articles for "Der Sturmer."

Q. During those five years, was he at any time absent from
the farm?

A. During the first few years of his stay there Julius
Streicher did not leave the farm at all, except to pay a
visit in the neighbourhood. His longest absence did not
extend to more than a day and never a whole night.

Q. Did you know that it was prohibited for individuals of
the Party to visit Streicher?

A. Yes, there was such an order.

Q. How did you know that?

A. From conversations. Then, too, I myself remember when Dr.
Goebbels visited the farm, that Julius Streicher said to
him, "Doctor, you dare to come here? Don't you know that it
is prohibited by the Party to visit me?"

Q. When did the visit of Dr. Ley and Dr. Goebbels occur?

A. Dr. Ley came to the farm on 7 May, 1944. The visit of Dr.
Goebbels occurred on 4 June, 1944.

Q. Would you please describe the character of these visits
and what was the subject of the conversations?

A. Both visits were of a definitely unofficial character.
Dr. Ley wanted mainly to know how Julius Streicher was
faring personally. No political questions were raised. Ley
only said, "Streicher, the Fuehrer is waiting for you."

Q. And what did Streicher say to that?

A. Streicher answered that he had become accustomed to his
solitude - that he was happy as a farmer and Ley should tell
the Fuehrer that he, Streicher, wanted nothing more. At the
visit of Dr. Goebbels the subject of the conversation dealt
mainly with Julius Streicher's dismissal from his office as
Gauleiter, and Dr. Goebbels was of the opinion that
Streicher should return into the circle of old Party
members, but he gave him the same answer, "Tell the Fuehrer
I wish for nothing."

Q. Were you always present during these conversations?

A. Yes.

Q. Was not the Jewish question a subject of these
conversations?

A. No, they never spoke about the Jewish question.

Q. Did they not speak about the happenings in the Eastern
Territories or in the concentration camps?

A. No, that matter never was raised again.

Q. Did not Streicher speak to you about the articles he
intended to write for "Der Sturmer," and didn't he also
speak about what he considered to be the solution of the
Jewish problem?

A. From all conversations with Julius Streicher I could see
with certainty that he did not think of the solution of the
Jewish question in terms of violence, but hoped for the
emigration of Jews from Europe and their settlement in
territories outside Europe,

Q. Was Herr Streicher in correspondence with leading
personalities of the Party or of the State?

A. No, neither personally nor by correspondence was there
any such connection.

Q. I will now mention several names, of whom I want you to
tell me whether they had any connection with him: Himmler,
Heydrich, Bormann, or other leading men of the police or the
S.S. or the Gestapo.

A. No, I know nothing of any of these men. With the
exception of one letter from Herr Himmler there was never
any mail.

Q. What was the reason for that letter?

A. In that letter Himmler complained about the fact that the
prisoners of war who were employed on our Pleickershof farm
were treated too well.

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Q. How were the prisoners of war and the foreign civilian
workers on the farm treated?

A. On the Pleickershof Farm eight French prisoners of war,
one Polish girl and one Slovene girl were employed. They
were all treated very well and very humanely. The service
for which Julius Streicher asked, the work for which he
asked personally, was especially rewarded with tobacco,
pastry, fruit, or even money. Such a friendly relationship
developed with some of the Frenchmen during the years that
they were there, that they assured us with tears in their
eyes at their departure that they would visit Julius
Streicher after the war with their families.

Q. Did not Streicher finally receive reliable information
about these mass executions in the East?

A. I believe he found out about it through Swiss newspapers
in 1944. We were never informed about it officially.

Q. But it is asserted that he already had knowledge before
that.

A. No.

Q. You do not know anything about it?

A. I only know about the Swiss newspapers.

Q. Very well. You once mentioned the fact that in Magdeburg,
from 9 to 10 November, 1938, you witnessed the demonstration
against the Jews and that you felt the greatest aversion
toward it. Is that true?

A. Yes, I spoke about it and said that I was shocked at this
action. Julius Streicher got very excited during that
conversation and said "Such nonsensical acts occurred in
Nuremberg also. That is not anti-Semitism; that is just
great stupidity."

Q. Is it correct that Streicher was hardly interested in the
financial affairs of the publishing firm and left these
things to the manager?

A. Julius Streicher never bothered about financial affairs,
neither in the house nor in the firm. The gentlemen of the
firm were always disappointed when they wanted to report
about annual balances or the like and Streicher would tell
them: "Do not worry me with business matters. There are
other things that are more important than money."

Q. How did he take care of the household expenses, then?

A. I received 1,000 marks every month from the firm. That
provided for the household, presents, and so on.

Q. Do you know that he is supposed to have acquired shares
through illegal pressure against a Jewish banker?

A. That is out of the question. I consider it quite
impossible that Julius Streicher acquired shares that way. I
believe that he doesn't even know what a share certificate
looks like.

Q. Did he not tell you anything about it?

A. I only heard that he never received shares.

Q. How did it come about that you and the defendant were
married as late as April, 1945?

Did you understand the question?

A. Yes, Julius Streicher wanted to take part in the fighting
in Nuremberg. I wanted to accompany him, so he married me
before we went. We wanted to die together.

Q. Then you left the Pleickershof with him, and where did
you go from there?

A. First we wanted to go to Nuremberg, and that was refused
for fear of difficulties with the authorities. So we drove
in the direction of Munich. In Munich we were told to
continue in the direction of Passau. From Passau they sent
us to Berchtesgaden; from Berchtesgaden they sent us to
Kitzbuehl.

Q. How did it happen that the original intention to die
together was not followed up? What caused him to change his
mind?

A. The cause for that was a conversation with three young
soldiers.

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Q. And what was that? I will finish immediately, Mr.
President.

THE PRESIDENT: I do not think you should go into that, Dr.
Marx.

BY DR. MARX:

Q. Well, then. I will forgo the question. Only one more
question.

Is it correct that Streicher gave the managers of his
publishing firm a written power of attorney which meant that
they could dispose of the money as they saw fit?

A. Yes, Julius Streicher gave the power of attorney to
whoever happened to be manager of the firm and thereby gave
him his full confidence without any restrictions.

DR. MARX: Mr. President, I have no more questions.

THE PRESIDENT: Do any of the defendants' counsel want to ask
any questions? Does the prosecution wish to ask any
questions?

SIR DAVID MAXWELL FYFE: No.

THE PRESIDENT: Then the witness can retire, and the Tribunal
will adjourn until 9.30 tomorrow morning.

(The Tribunal adjourned until 30 April, 1946, at 09.30 hours.)


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