Archive/File: imt/nca/supp-b/nca-sb-02-saukel.01 Last-Modified: 1997/12/08 Nazi Conspiracy & Aggression, Supplement B XI. Fritz Sauckel* Hitler Legalizes the Slave Labor Program Excerpts from Testimony of Fritz Sauckel, taken at Nurnberg, Germany, 12 September 1945, 1015-1215, by Major John J. Monigan, Jr., CAC. Also present: Capt. Jesse F. Landrum, AGD, Court Reporter; Mr. Bernard Reymon, Interpreter. * See also Document 3721-PS, Vol. VI, p. 428; 3722- PS, Vol. VI, p. 459. [Page 1441] A. I was then  told by the Fuehrer and by various Government agencies that the use of foreign workers within the occupied territories would not go counter to the conventions of The Hague. The Fuehrer set forth that those countries had [Page 1442] surrendered unconditionally and had governments which had been shaped according to his desire. I then received a definite order to mobilize workers in those countries and, inasmuch as this could not be carried out through voluntary methods, to use the same methods of compulsory conscription which was enforced in Germany. The Fuehrer added that Soviet Russia was not a party at all to the Hague Convention; furthermore, that in the countries which had surrendered he had left millions of war prisoners who had been immediately released. If too great difficulties were created for him he (Hitler) would be compelled to take back again those prisoners of war. I had to satisfy myself with those explanations of the Fuehrer and to carry out my task. I then received the necessary powers and was placed under the authority of Reichsmarshall Hermann Goering, in his capacity as the head of the Four-year Plan. To carry out the prescribed task, I received from the Labor Ministry two departments: namely, Abteilung 3, which was the department of salaries; and Abteilung 5, which was the department of manpower. I was not entitled to set up new agencies, but was to be in touch with and to apply to those new government departments which were already in existence in the various ministries and in the Wehrmacht. I could be assisted by various other organizations. This could only be possible in communicating with them, not in issuing to them any orders, as I had no right to do so. The first principle was that the foreign workers were to be treated and paid in the same manner as the German workers. The second principle was fair, just, and humane treatment. This I have been able to carry out with all the people from the West, South, and Southeast. These people were treated and nourished and dealt with in the same manner as the German working people. Restrictions, however, were placed on me with regard to the Russian workers and partly the Polish workers. The Russian workers by virtue of orders from the Reichsfuehrer SS, which were approved by the Fuehrer and by the Party itself, received, up to 1940, less than the other foreign workers. This was justified on the following grounds: The so-called Ostarbeiter (workers from the East) contrary to what was the case with the foreign workers from the West and South, and so on, had to pay no taxes and no fees, no insurance, and no contributions to the DAF [Deutsche Arbeitsfront (German Labor Front), headed by Dr. Robert Ley.] Upon my representation and those of other persons, we were told that if the Eastern workers, which actually meant only the Russian workers, were paid at the same rate as the other workers, they would actually enjoy better treatment as [Page 1443] they had less expense. With regard to food, they were placed (the Eastern workers) on the same level as the German civilians.
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