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From markz@io.org Sat Mar  2 10:11:08 PST 1996
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From: markz@io.org (Mark Zajac)
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Subject: `Intimidating Parliament'
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[ Article crossposted from ut.general ]
[ Author was George Kokolakis ]
[ Posted on 19 Feb 1996 10:39:33 GMT ]

Dari Meade wrote:
> 
> Irshad Manji an extremely well known womanist author and broadcaster often
> featured on TV Ontario, and a well know minority rights activist is
> presently working on a book on the language used in politics.
> It will reveal the coded language used by the political right and how
> Mike Harris did promote racism in his last election campaign using
carefully
> coded language.  It may have actually been this coded language that helped
> him win the Ontario election last year.

That has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.  Coded
language?!  Don't tell me you actually believe that rubbish.


> She has also uncovered how the welfare cuts, daycare cuts, civil servant
> cuts, and other cuts, affect women and especially people-of-color way more
> than anybody else and how the Conservatives have specifically targetted
> these groups to bear the brunt of his budget cuts while the tax cuts are
> being specifically designed to assist the wealthy in particular wealthy
> white males.  I hear this book will be specifically geared to Canadian
> politics.

Yeah right, and the Martians are in the process of secretly infiltrating some
of the highest posts at Dr. Ballards.  Tell me, do you watch the X-Files a
lot? You really seem to have a precarious grasp of reality.  From the sound
of all this, the only rascist around here is Irshad Manji.  Talk about
promoting hatred.  Don't you see how ridiculous statements like this coded
language garbage only serve to deepen the divisions in our society.  Wake up!
 These claims will only serve to anger the masses.  I am part of a minority
group as well, and I don't particularly appreciate this "white male" label. 
I don't consider myself white, although that's all a rascist like Irshad
Manji would see, and I definitely don't have any kind of advantage in this
country.  In fact I lose twice, because not only do I have to deal with
ocasional rascism on the basis of my ethnicity, but I also have to deal with 
morons like Manji, and their persecution of all white males.  If you ask me,
Manji, and anyone else who happens to believe this crap, is a walking hate
crime, and should be prosecuted for promoting promoting rascism.


GK.




 
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From markz@io.org Sat Mar  2 10:15:42 PST 1996
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From: markz@io.org (Mark Zajac)
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Subject: `Intimidating Parliament'
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[ Article crossposted from ut.general ]
[ Author was George Kokolakis ]
[ Posted on 19 Feb 1996 10:39:33 GMT ]

Dari Meade wrote:
> 
> Irshad Manji an extremely well known womanist author and broadcaster often
> featured on TV Ontario, and a well know minority rights activist is
> presently working on a book on the language used in politics.
> It will reveal the coded language used by the political right and how
> Mike Harris did promote racism in his last election campaign using
carefully
> coded language.  It may have actually been this coded language that helped
> him win the Ontario election last year.

That has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.  Coded
language?!  Don't tell me you actually believe that rubbish.


> She has also uncovered how the welfare cuts, daycare cuts, civil servant
> cuts, and other cuts, affect women and especially people-of-color way more
> than anybody else and how the Conservatives have specifically targetted
> these groups to bear the brunt of his budget cuts while the tax cuts are
> being specifically designed to assist the wealthy in particular wealthy
> white males.  I hear this book will be specifically geared to Canadian
> politics.

Yeah right, and the Martians are in the process of secretly infiltrating some
of the highest posts at Dr. Ballards.  Tell me, do you watch the X-Files a
lot? You really seem to have a precarious grasp of reality.  From the sound
of all this, the only rascist around here is Irshad Manji.  Talk about
promoting hatred.  Don't you see how ridiculous statements like this coded
language garbage only serve to deepen the divisions in our society.  Wake up!
 These claims will only serve to anger the masses.  I am part of a minority
group as well, and I don't particularly appreciate this "white male" label. 
I don't consider myself white, although that's all a rascist like Irshad
Manji would see, and I definitely don't have any kind of advantage in this
country.  In fact I lose twice, because not only do I have to deal with
ocasional rascism on the basis of my ethnicity, but I also have to deal with 
morons like Manji, and their persecution of all white males.  If you ask me,
Manji, and anyone else who happens to believe this crap, is a walking hate
crime, and should be prosecuted for promoting promoting rascism.


GK.




 
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From markz@io.org Sun Mar  3 13:18:01 PST 1996
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From: markz@io.org (Mark Zajac)
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Subject: Chinese racism in Richmond, BC....
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[ Article crossposted from bc.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada ]
[ Author was rkish@ivory.trentu.ca ]
[ Posted on Fri, 1 Mar 1996 19:54:17 GMT ]

In article <4grbmu$6fb@obelix.helix.net>, jyau@helix.net (Jerome Yau) writes:
>cook@mindlink.bc.ca (cook) wrote:
>
>>You forgot to add that the colonies we created are worth living in. You
>>sure as hell can't say that about anything created by the asian cultures
>>in the last 10,000 years.
>
>This is offensive and ridiculous. You are contempting Asians and Asian
>cultures. 
>May I suggest you to show some respect to other people, especially
>Asians.
>
>Also I will protest to your system administrator about your remarks
>about Asians/Asian culture.
>
Jerome,
	may I suggest that you ignore the poster above....his commentary isn't
worth your time.  He still appears to be the type of individual that would
support a system of apartheid here in Canada...and his comments bear little
importance to anyone but himself.  As you can no doubt tell from his collossal
ignorance with regards to cultures outside of the materialistic Euro-North
American society, he is not representative of anyone else in this country but
himself.



From markz@io.org Sun Mar  3 13:18:02 PST 1996
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From: markz@io.org (Mark Zajac)
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Subject: Chinese racism in Richmond, BC....
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[ Article crossposted from bc.general,ont.general,tor.general,can.general,can.politics,can.community.asian,soc.culture.canada ]
[ Author was K Than Trong ]
[ Posted on 2 Mar 1996 04:05:58 GMT ]

Karen Gordon (ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

: A long-term resident, a caucasian, has written to the press that her daughter
: faces fewer and fewer employment opportunities in their own city, due to 
: fact that Chinese employers will hire only Mandarin or Cantonese speaking
: employees.

What does it matter that she is caucasion?

Face it, it's becoming a harder world, jobs are less scarce for 
everybody, competition is more important than ever, and the more 
marketable skills one has...well, regardless of race or ethnicity.

: Now let's look at this....
: Canadians must learn to speak the language of immigrants to her country
: in order to find employment in her own land.

Just who the hell are your 'Canadians'? Just caucasion Canadians? 

: Since Canadians have been 'compassionate, humanitarian, tolerant and 
: welcoming' of non-English-speaking immigrants, bringing them in by the
: hundreds of thousands, providing for their 'assimilation' by tax funding
: multi-cultural programs, English-language training, and even ensuring 
: their employment through 'employment equity' laws, I think it would be
: fair to ask.....

Aaah, the more subtle, underlining racism of bigoted Canadians, who 
sees that this 'compassion' and 'tolerance' is only restricted to pity 
for those 'pitiful, less-educated and dumb' immigrants.

Market forces, which I don't pretend to understand, happen to make the 
Chinese community a major presence in Canada. While I will give that 
those employers insisting on Chinese-only hiring are also discriminatory, 
do I sense you and your kind's indigation and being to required to learn 
another language? Is this not not a *good* experience? Would you rail 
against all those computer-literate who refuse to hire Luddites?

Training programs, incentives could be implemented for those willing to 
learn Chinese or other languages, to fully appreciate the multi-cultural 
aspect of Canada. The policy of hiring *only* Chinese people could also 
simply be that these new businesses simply feel more comfortable with 
'their own kind'. It's a face that managers hire people that are are 
like themselves, it's evident in the business world. YES, even among 
'white' employers. Well, if you and your type of Canadians are really 
'tolerant', going out of one's way to learn another language not only 
eliminates small-mindedness, but goes a long way to improving relations.

Besides, those who hire Chinese-only are making bad business decisions in 
the long run. While they'll appeal to the Chinese customers, a large part 
of their potentional market is ignored. And, WAKE UP! The new immigrants 
are leaving behind their WHOLE DAMN LIFE to get a chance in Canada, 
they're not exploiting you bastards, they're joining in the Canadian 
mosaic, they're sending their children to learn English, and they're 
struggling with the language themselves. When have I seen the bigoted 
'Canadian' make that effort?

Well, face it. As part of a new global community, the Pacific century has 
arrived. 

: That Asian employers of the ever-growing Asian malls (Aberdeen Centre,
: Fairchild Square, Parker Place, President Plaza and Yaohan Centre) be 
: required BY LAW to hire English-only-speaking employees; to provide 
: language training at the EXPENSE OF ASIAN EMPLOYERS, and to make sure
: that these numbers are representative of the population of the province.

By law?! If you don't cut it to your employer, you simply will not be 
hired! And if you think it is because of some sort of discrimation, you 
will take it upon yourself to file a complaint with the Human Rights 
Commission or whatever it's called.

: Can one think of anything more 'humanitarian, tolerant,' and non-racist?
: ..... and a clearer call to reality ?

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From markz@io.org Sun Mar  3 16:12:34 PST 1996
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From: markz@io.org (Mark Zajac)
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Subject: Immigrants - ticking TB time bomb....(2)
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[ Article crossposted from can.general ]
[ Author was Karen Gordon ]
[ Posted on Sun, 3 Mar 1996 03:19:51 GMT ]

Philip Rajwani (a Chinese Asian using an East Indian alias) writes:
>>> Is hate-mongering one of your disease? You have been trying to do this
>>> for some time. Remember you racial garbage. Remember  the lies that
>>> you have told. People have probably already notfied your system
>>> administrator. The plug may be pulled on you soon. Don't be surprised
>>> if someone sue you for defamation.

Ilias Kotsovolos: 
>>What an intelligent response! Censor everyone who dissagrees with your
>>views and you will eliminate racism. If you can't handle debate Philip,
>>don't resort to Big Brother threats.
>>Ilias K.

Philip (the fake): 
> Shut up you bonehead. Karen Gordon has been reprimanded by his/her
> sysop a couple of times already.
> You have not contributed a thing on this thread, so please cut your
> crap.

(Karen):  'The Year of the Rat' - an appropriate year for you, 'Philip
Rajwani'.....(Were you one of the Chinese illegal immigrants who hid behind
Japanese passports when trying to enter Canada via the north pole route?)

I've been on the 'net' almost 4 years now, and I have never received a note
>from  a 'sysop' or administrator regarding ANY of my posts.  I stick to the
facts - and back them with verifiable references - much to the chagrin of
idiots like yourself.  Hard to fight the issues when they are well-referenced,
aren't they?
On the other hand.... others have shared THEIR replies from various system
administrators of carriers to people like yourself - who tried to shut them
down with accusations of 'racism!'.							
They told you that they didn't approve of your tactics whenever someone
posted views that did not agree with yours.  They told you to 'grow up',
didn't they?

You see, In Canada we still have free speech.  It may not sit well with
immigrants like yourself that are used to intimidation and censorship by your
big brother governemtns, but it sets just fine with us as Canadians.
If you prefer your 'old country' ways, go home.  But while you are in Canada,
you'd better be prepared to having other speak out against bad immigration
policies and immigrants' abuses of our systems, and having us NOT be censured.

This is Canada.  Your intimidations don't work here.
(And you may consider tempering your own postings - there ARE rules against
bad language and name-calling.  It's called manners.)

		
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From markz@io.org Sun Mar  3 16:12:35 PST 1996
Article: 14875 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: markz@io.org (Mark Zajac)
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Subject: Immigrants - ticking TB time bomb....(2)
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[ Article crossposted from can.general,bc.general,ont.general ]
[ Author was cook ]
[ Posted on Sat, 02 Mar 1996 22:57:19 -0800 ]

In article <4haalj$lbg@obelix.helix.net>, jyau@helix.net (Jerome Yau) wrote:

> ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Karen Gordon) wrote:
> 
> [...]
> >               
> >(K):  And now WE have this 'so much human traffic' from Hong Kong AND China.
> >Does anyone dare to say that it is not coming into Canada?
> >Why not?  Did the flight from Hong Kong somehow cure all these carriers of 
> >dormant TB?
> >Canada imports still more problems......
> 
> I am totally appalled at your ridiculous argument.
> 
> Do you have any evidence to back up your claim? Do you know that Hong
> Kong's medical standard is as high as Western nations? 
> 
> According to your argument, isn't it that we have to build walls
> around our border and set up check points at every port of entry to
> protect potential diseases and virus from the rest of the world?

A letter to Families with Children from China from Jerri Ann
Jenista, MD
http://www.catalog.com/fwcfc/healthconcerns.html

Hepatitis B: There are rumours that Chinese authorities avoid designating
known infected children as available for
adoption. Thus, the rate of hepatitis B may be lower than in the native
Chinese population. Regardless, hepatitis B is a
widespread population problem in China and does occur in adoptees. In the
past week, I have consulted on two such
children, now aged 20 and 36 months. 

Because the incubation period for hepatitis is up to 6 months, a child's
hepatitis status is usually not clear until he has
had two screening tests 6 months apart, or at least one test 6 months
after leaving China. Apparent health is the normal
condition of hepatitis B chronically infected children. Thus, every child
must be fully evaluated. 

Tuberculosis is an uncommon problem in international adoptees, at least as
compared to refugee children. However,
until the AIDS epidemic, almost all tuberculosis in the US was in
immigrant children, especially from Asia. Although
BCG does partially protect against tuberclosis, it is not 100%. The "old"
teaching is that TB skin tests should not be
done in the face of BCG vaccine. Longer experience has shown us that the
concept is not valid. The centers for Disease
Control and Prevention now recommend that all children coming from a high
risk environment (such as an orphanage or
hospital or China) should be screened for tuberculosis using the PPD
(blister under the skin) tuberculosis test.
Interpretation of the result is exactly the same as if one had never
received BCG. Thus, even your office pediatrician can
perform and interpret the test.

-- 
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From markz@io.org Sun Mar  3 16:12:36 PST 1996
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On 13 Feb 1996 StevenChao wrote:

: I am  late to this, can someone here send me what was the law that they
: are passing or passed to impose unequal employment??
: 
: "The turd that doesn't flush,"
: Peace,
: StevenChao

The federal Canadian law which was passed in late 1995 is Bill c-64 and 
is called the Employment Equity Act.


From markz@io.org Sun Mar  3 16:14:39 PST 1996
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[ Article crossposted from can.general ]
[ Author was Karen Gordon ]
[ Posted on Sun, 3 Mar 1996 03:19:51 GMT ]

Philip Rajwani (a Chinese Asian using an East Indian alias) writes:
>>> Is hate-mongering one of your disease? You have been trying to do this
>>> for some time. Remember you racial garbage. Remember  the lies that
>>> you have told. People have probably already notfied your system
>>> administrator. The plug may be pulled on you soon. Don't be surprised
>>> if someone sue you for defamation.

Ilias Kotsovolos: 
>>What an intelligent response! Censor everyone who dissagrees with your
>>views and you will eliminate racism. If you can't handle debate Philip,
>>don't resort to Big Brother threats.
>>Ilias K.

Philip (the fake): 
> Shut up you bonehead. Karen Gordon has been reprimanded by his/her
> sysop a couple of times already.
> You have not contributed a thing on this thread, so please cut your
> crap.

(Karen):  'The Year of the Rat' - an appropriate year for you, 'Philip
Rajwani'.....(Were you one of the Chinese illegal immigrants who hid behind
Japanese passports when trying to enter Canada via the north pole route?)

I've been on the 'net' almost 4 years now, and I have never received a note
>from  a 'sysop' or administrator regarding ANY of my posts.  I stick to the
facts - and back them with verifiable references - much to the chagrin of
idiots like yourself.  Hard to fight the issues when they are well-referenced,
aren't they?
On the other hand.... others have shared THEIR replies from various system
administrators of carriers to people like yourself - who tried to shut them
down with accusations of 'racism!'.							
They told you that they didn't approve of your tactics whenever someone
posted views that did not agree with yours.  They told you to 'grow up',
didn't they?

You see, In Canada we still have free speech.  It may not sit well with
immigrants like yourself that are used to intimidation and censorship by your
big brother governemtns, but it sets just fine with us as Canadians.
If you prefer your 'old country' ways, go home.  But while you are in Canada,
you'd better be prepared to having other speak out against bad immigration
policies and immigrants' abuses of our systems, and having us NOT be censured.

This is Canada.  Your intimidations don't work here.
(And you may consider tempering your own postings - there ARE rules against
bad language and name-calling.  It's called manners.)

		
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[ Article crossposted from can.general,bc.general,ont.general ]
[ Author was cook ]
[ Posted on Sat, 02 Mar 1996 22:57:19 -0800 ]

In article <4haalj$lbg@obelix.helix.net>, jyau@helix.net (Jerome Yau) wrote:

> ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Karen Gordon) wrote:
> 
> [...]
> >               
> >(K):  And now WE have this 'so much human traffic' from Hong Kong AND China.
> >Does anyone dare to say that it is not coming into Canada?
> >Why not?  Did the flight from Hong Kong somehow cure all these carriers of 
> >dormant TB?
> >Canada imports still more problems......
> 
> I am totally appalled at your ridiculous argument.
> 
> Do you have any evidence to back up your claim? Do you know that Hong
> Kong's medical standard is as high as Western nations? 
> 
> According to your argument, isn't it that we have to build walls
> around our border and set up check points at every port of entry to
> protect potential diseases and virus from the rest of the world?

A letter to Families with Children from China from Jerri Ann
Jenista, MD
http://www.catalog.com/fwcfc/healthconcerns.html

Hepatitis B: There are rumours that Chinese authorities avoid designating
known infected children as available for
adoption. Thus, the rate of hepatitis B may be lower than in the native
Chinese population. Regardless, hepatitis B is a
widespread population problem in China and does occur in adoptees. In the
past week, I have consulted on two such
children, now aged 20 and 36 months. 

Because the incubation period for hepatitis is up to 6 months, a child's
hepatitis status is usually not clear until he has
had two screening tests 6 months apart, or at least one test 6 months
after leaving China. Apparent health is the normal
condition of hepatitis B chronically infected children. Thus, every child
must be fully evaluated. 

Tuberculosis is an uncommon problem in international adoptees, at least as
compared to refugee children. However,
until the AIDS epidemic, almost all tuberculosis in the US was in
immigrant children, especially from Asia. Although
BCG does partially protect against tuberclosis, it is not 100%. The "old"
teaching is that TB skin tests should not be
done in the face of BCG vaccine. Longer experience has shown us that the
concept is not valid. The centers for Disease
Control and Prevention now recommend that all children coming from a high
risk environment (such as an orphanage or
hospital or China) should be screened for tuberculosis using the PPD
(blister under the skin) tuberculosis test.
Interpretation of the result is exactly the same as if one had never
received BCG. Thus, even your office pediatrician can
perform and interpret the test.

-- 
cook@mindlink.bc.ca


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Subject: Chinese racism in Richmond, BC....
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On 13 Feb 1996 StevenChao wrote:

: I am  late to this, can someone here send me what was the law that they
: are passing or passed to impose unequal employment??
: 
: "The turd that doesn't flush,"
: Peace,
: StevenChao

The federal Canadian law which was passed in late 1995 is Bill c-64 and 
is called the Employment Equity Act.


From markz@io.org Sun Mar  3 16:35:21 PST 1996
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From: markz@io.org (Mark Zajac)
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Subject: Canadian Hepatitis B Upsurge due to Immigration
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[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.canada,can.general,bc.general ]
[ Author was Jerome Yau ]
[ Posted on Sat, 02 Mar 1996 20:27:58 GMT ]

Joe Lockhart  wrote:

>You must ask yourself this basic question: Who has more rights
>the majority or the minority? Canada is a so-called democracy right? 
>if this is so, why is it the minorities have all the rights?

Democracy means that all citizens regardless of their sex, race,
ethnic origin, class are treated equal. While democracy asserts
majority rule, it is accompanied by respect of the rights of
minorities

>What Mr.Chong is admitting to is if we had mandatory screening,
>you would find an overwhelming amount of minorities with Hepatitis,
>AIDS and one he never mentioned Tuberculous. So, what should
>we do? Stick our head in the sand and hope it will go away?
>Or do we pass laws to protect people with contagious disseise? 
[example snipped]

I think we should all realize that there are medical screenings for
prospective immigrants. As far as I know, the screening does include a
chest x-ray. The reason is so simple: to check whether those people
have any lung problems. With respect to Hepatitis B, it is not a
contagious disease. 

Another aspect that we have to consider is whether those Hepatitis B
cases are originated inside or outside Canada. If it is outside, that
means we need to review the process of medical examination and make
any necessary adjustments. If it is originated inside, then the story
is different. 

I think it is fair to say that a stricter medical examination might be
required to protect the interests of Canadians. However, I don't see
there is any rationale to single out a particular group of people and
indiscriminately correlates the issue with immigration.   




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Subject: Ethnic diversity in Canada: A Myth?
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[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.quebec,misc.immigration.canada ]
[ Author was Asser Hassanain ]
[ Posted on Sat, 02 Mar 1996 01:33:48 GMT ]

kendng@mail.accent.net (ken n) wrote:

>[cut] New immigrants tends to feel 
>alienated in a new country. They tend to suffer depression, loneliness and 
>anxiety as well as other psychological and physical hardship.  

Heh heh heh!  Will you please try going to another country, live there
all your life, assimilate to their culture, forget English or French
or whatever and speak their language, and dress like them, and then
throw your Canadian citizenship status, THEN COME TO CANADA AS AN
IMMIGRANT, and see if they still treat you as an equal??!!!!!!

>Immigrants contribute tremendously to the Canadian economy.  I think that the 
>government is recognising their contribution and is trying to make them feel 
>at home(ease). 

Like Preston Manning's policies towards immigration?  Interesting, and
visit me in my grave if Jean isn't thinking the same way!

Asser Hassanain



From markz@io.org Sun Mar  3 23:20:16 PST 1996
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Subject: Canadian Hepatitis B Upsurge due to Immigration
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[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.canada,can.politics,can.general,bc.general,ont.general,qc.general,alt.politics.immigration,can.gov.general ]
[ Author was F.G. Silva, III ]
[ Posted on Sun, 03 Mar 1996 20:11:38 GMT ]

On 3 Mar 1996 19:00:23 GMT, Dan Browne  wrote:
: rkish@ivory.trentu.ca wrote:
: this statement is a crock of horseshit (in my opinion).
: I'm an immigrant to canada from the u.k. and I had to take all sorts
: of (painful) medical tests to make sure I wasn't carrying any bullshit 
: diseases which I could transmit to the canadian populace. How did I
: feel about this? Quite right. I think everyone should have to take
: *more* and  varied tests to make sure transmissible diseases don't get
: into the general population and increase the overall burden to the
: taxpayer (of which I currently pay plenty..but I asked for it by
: moving here...)
: 
: And as for it being racist to test for certain diseases such as AIDS 
: which happens to be more widespread in tropical countries... well, can 
: you explain to me exactly how it is racist to say that residents of
: that country are more likely to have the disease? It's not at all like
: saying residents of that country have a lower IQ or are all thiefs etc
: etc Statistics are statistics and just because they don't reflect a 
: let's-all-live-happily-together view of the world doesn't mean that 
: anyone who points them out is a racist.
[sarcasm on]

Dan, as far as I'm concerned, they should give you every shot
available and then some to ensure that you will not contaminate the
populace as did your immigrant forefather hundreds of years ago. 
You are oblivious to the fact that not only was polio, scarlet
fever, bubonic plague, venereal disease, and a host of other
communicable diseases, IMPORTED into the Americas by your european
immigrant ancestors. 

This had a devastating effect on the native american populace at
the time and damned nearly wiped them all out. Racism, is also
another european import brought to the Americas by your immigrant
ancestors.

Too bad they haven't found a cure for racism, because like a
disease, it also has a propensity to devastate an entire society.

[sarcasm off]


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From: markz@io.org (Mark Zajac)
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Subject: Immigrants - ticking TB time bomb....(2)
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[ Article crossposted from can.general,can.community.asian.bc.general,alt.politics.immigration,ont.general,soc.culture.canada ]
[ Author was Dan Browne ]
[ Posted on 3 Mar 1996 19:17:16 GMT ]

abrooks@fast.net (Alan Brooks) wrote:

>Immigration is alright in small amount over periods of time but large
>uncontrolled imigration, as is going on in the USA, can only lead to
>the distruction of the resident society.

The problem I can see with a lot of the anti-immigration sentiment is 
that you fail to differentiate between the types...like between good 
cholesterol and bad.

I'm an immigrant myself (from the uk) and very easily integrated into
north american society (with the possible exception of the strong 
accent..) and I pay shitloads of taxes which support all the other 
canadians who use the government services.

You need to ask which (if any) kinds of immigrants are good for society.
Unquestionably people who add to the culture and economy of a country 
without disrupting its social fabric are good.

Those who are unable to add to society's net worth aren't so good.
These, however, can *still contribute* something although not so much.
This raises an interesting question, though. 
*Who* is it that decides what is adding to society's net worth?

>From  a purely economic standpoint allowing in a large number of 
immigrants who are unable to speak the language of the host country will 
cause significant problems when they find they are unable to get a job to 
make use of their skills (if they even have any). Another problem is 
raised if the immigrants don't have any skills.

The humanitarian answer is that it is our moral obligation to help these 
people out who are worse off than ourselves. That's true from a 
judeo-christian ethical standpoint. Ask the japanese or koreans what 
their policy is on allowing in refugees and you may get a significantly 
different answer.

Another interesting point is this: Given the rate of high unemployment in 
canada, should we be allowing in lots of people to compete for the 
(relatively few) unskilled jobs, thus driving the pay at the lower end 
even more? 
Personally I think we should be training the other canadians first and 
helping the rest out second but would training actually work?

Who knows...




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From: markz@io.org (Mark Zajac)
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Subject: Canadian Hepatitis B Upsurge due to Immigration
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If you would read section 15(2) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and 
Freedoms, minorites have MORE rights than those who belong to the majority.


From markz@io.org Sun Mar  3 23:25:47 PST 1996
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Subject: Canadian Hepatitis B Upsurge due to Immigration
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[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.canada,can.politics,can.general,bc.general,ont.general,qc.general,alt.politics.immigration,can.gov.general ]
[ Author was F.G. Silva, III ]
[ Posted on Sun, 03 Mar 1996 20:11:38 GMT ]

On 3 Mar 1996 19:00:23 GMT, Dan Browne  wrote:
: rkish@ivory.trentu.ca wrote:
: this statement is a crock of horseshit (in my opinion).
: I'm an immigrant to canada from the u.k. and I had to take all sorts
: of (painful) medical tests to make sure I wasn't carrying any bullshit 
: diseases which I could transmit to the canadian populace. How did I
: feel about this? Quite right. I think everyone should have to take
: *more* and  varied tests to make sure transmissible diseases don't get
: into the general population and increase the overall burden to the
: taxpayer (of which I currently pay plenty..but I asked for it by
: moving here...)
: 
: And as for it being racist to test for certain diseases such as AIDS 
: which happens to be more widespread in tropical countries... well, can 
: you explain to me exactly how it is racist to say that residents of
: that country are more likely to have the disease? It's not at all like
: saying residents of that country have a lower IQ or are all thiefs etc
: etc Statistics are statistics and just because they don't reflect a 
: let's-all-live-happily-together view of the world doesn't mean that 
: anyone who points them out is a racist.
[sarcasm on]

Dan, as far as I'm concerned, they should give you every shot
available and then some to ensure that you will not contaminate the
populace as did your immigrant forefather hundreds of years ago. 
You are oblivious to the fact that not only was polio, scarlet
fever, bubonic plague, venereal disease, and a host of other
communicable diseases, IMPORTED into the Americas by your european
immigrant ancestors. 

This had a devastating effect on the native american populace at
the time and damned nearly wiped them all out. Racism, is also
another european import brought to the Americas by your immigrant
ancestors.

Too bad they haven't found a cure for racism, because like a
disease, it also has a propensity to devastate an entire society.

[sarcasm off]


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From: markz@io.org (Mark Zajac)
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Subject: Immigrants - ticking TB time bomb....(2)
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[ Article crossposted from can.general,can.community.asian.bc.general,alt.politics.immigration,ont.general,soc.culture.canada ]
[ Author was Dan Browne ]
[ Posted on 3 Mar 1996 19:17:16 GMT ]

abrooks@fast.net (Alan Brooks) wrote:

>Immigration is alright in small amount over periods of time but large
>uncontrolled imigration, as is going on in the USA, can only lead to
>the distruction of the resident society.

The problem I can see with a lot of the anti-immigration sentiment is 
that you fail to differentiate between the types...like between good 
cholesterol and bad.

I'm an immigrant myself (from the uk) and very easily integrated into
north american society (with the possible exception of the strong 
accent..) and I pay shitloads of taxes which support all the other 
canadians who use the government services.

You need to ask which (if any) kinds of immigrants are good for society.
Unquestionably people who add to the culture and economy of a country 
without disrupting its social fabric are good.

Those who are unable to add to society's net worth aren't so good.
These, however, can *still contribute* something although not so much.
This raises an interesting question, though. 
*Who* is it that decides what is adding to society's net worth?

>From  a purely economic standpoint allowing in a large number of 
immigrants who are unable to speak the language of the host country will 
cause significant problems when they find they are unable to get a job to 
make use of their skills (if they even have any). Another problem is 
raised if the immigrants don't have any skills.

The humanitarian answer is that it is our moral obligation to help these 
people out who are worse off than ourselves. That's true from a 
judeo-christian ethical standpoint. Ask the japanese or koreans what 
their policy is on allowing in refugees and you may get a significantly 
different answer.

Another interesting point is this: Given the rate of high unemployment in 
canada, should we be allowing in lots of people to compete for the 
(relatively few) unskilled jobs, thus driving the pay at the lower end 
even more? 
Personally I think we should be training the other canadians first and 
helping the rest out second but would training actually work?

Who knows...




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If you would read section 15(2) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and 
Freedoms, minorites have MORE rights than those who belong to the majority.


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Subject: HORRIFIC ARMOURED-CAR ROBBERY IN TORONTO
Date: 3 Mar 1996 00:52:36 GMT
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[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.canada,can.general,can.politics,bc.general,ab.general,nb.general,ns.general,sask.general,mtl.general,ott.general,can.community.asian,tor.general,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.immigration,misc.immigration.misc,misc.immigration.canada,alt.law-enforcement ]
[ Author was GREGS ]
[ Posted on 2 Mar 1996 23:29:23 GMT ]

The information below is cross-posted to numerous canadian newsgroups in
the hope that it will enlighten CANADIANS as to the amount of horrible
violent crime that is occurring in our society DAILY and contrary to the
LIES of our government, is actually on the increase. 
In the past crimes like those below would be reported NATIONWIDE for days
but has become routine page five blurbs because it happens every day!
 
BEGIN

The last of four thugs involved in an incredibly violent armoured car
robbery was captured yesterday after a 2 1/2 month long multiforce police
investigation.

On Dec 10,1995  FOUR THUGS armed with automatic pistols and sawed-off
shotguns attempted to hold up a LOOMIS armoured car in the west end of
Toronto in broad daylight.
The robbery occurred at a large mall packed with shoppers.
The armed guards were making a delivery when the accused scumbags,WITHOUT
PROVOCATION and WITHOUT WARNING started shooting.
The ambushed guards managed to return fire and during the ensuing RAGING
GUNBATTLE where dozens of shots were fired in front of horrified onlookers
the guards managed to hit one of the robbers.

One guard was also hit and suffered a serious leg wound.

The assailants managed to escape and three were later captured by police
with the fourth wanted man arrested at gunpoint yesterday in Toronto

ALL FOUR SCUMBAGS (MISGUIDED YOUTHS if you are a bleeding heart liberal)
ARE IMMIGRANTS TO CANADA AND THEY ARE IDENTIFIED BELOW AS

               R.BARANOWSKI
               ADAMO WSZOLEK
               CARLOS ALBERTO SOARES
               ROBERTO PACHECO

EACH OF THESE FINE UPSTANDING CONTRIBUTORS TO CANADIAN SOCIETY HAVE
LENGTHY CRIMINAL RECORDS DATING BACK VIRTUALLY TO THE DATE AT WHICH THEIR
FEET HIT THE GROUND IN OUR COUNTRY.

Now,here are the COSTS to CANADA for not deporting these pieces of garbage
say, after their FIFTH CRIMINAL CONVICTION!

VICTIM,HOSPITAL,MEDICAL,EMERGENCY SERVICE,POLICE,INSURANCE,PHYSICAL+MENTAL
TRAMA,PSYCHIATRIC,INVESTIGATION,COURTS,LAWYERS,APPEALS,INCARCERATION,INTEREST
COSTS   ADDED TOGETHER GIVES A GRAND TOTAL OF OVER

            $ 5 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS COST TO CANADA

 $ 5 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS  OR  the  FREE ENTIRE 4 year tuition cost for
EVERY UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO MECHANICAL ENGINEERING STUDENT CLASS OF 1999!

That is the cost to CANADA for not throwing out the GARBAGE!

          275 ENGINEERS

WAKE UP CANADA!

There is no reason on earth that this country should not allow
LIMITED,CONTROLLED,SELECTIVE IMMIGRATION but GODDAMNIT we don't have to
tolerate even for one MINUTE the world's VIOLENT CRIMINAL SCUM washing up
on our shores to wreak havoc,murder,and mayhem on the
innocent,peace-loving CANADIAN people.
NOT FOR ONE FUCKING MINUTE!

-- 
gregs

SEMPER FIDELIS
     The Canadian Constitution
     "Void Where Prohibited By Law"


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Subject: Censorship by Rogers Community 10 Channel
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[ Article crossposted from ont.general,tor.general ]
[ Author was karl mamer ]
[ Posted on 4 Mar 1996 08:20:20 -0500 ]

markz@io.org (Mark Zajac) writes:

> Why would anybody even want to watch their "Community" Channel?  Half the 
> time it doesn't even carry English language programming, it is mostly
> "ethnic" programming with a good dose of "ethnic" advertising at the end 

I guess you miss the point of the "community" part in community programming.
I thought the concept of community programming was to allow various ethnic
and demographic communities to have a thin slice of programming time. You
might prefer the offerings of networks that feature stupid white people,
however. Check it out. It's called Friends. Oh, wait, that show might have a
jew it it. Never mind, Mark.

-- 
"BTW please have your chimp give me a call one day."
                                   - Bob Allisat


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Subject: We dont want any more immigrants!
Date: 5 Mar 1996 00:51:36 GMT
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[ Article crossposted from can.politics,soc.culture.canada,ont.general,bc.general,can.general,alt.politics.immigration ]
[ Author was Mark Zajac ]
[ Posted on 5 Mar 1996 00:35:12 GMT ]


        Immigration Adviser Accused of Telling Illegals to Lie 

Canada is usually a sucker for a creative sob story. Tens of thousands of 
illegals have learned the way to play the game. Don't apply for refugee 
status abroad, where your bona fides can often be checked. Fly one way into
Canada, claim refugee status, immediately plug into welfare, legal aid,
medicare, and many other goodies. Tell a creative hard luck story that the
political appointees on the Immigration and Refugee Board are often in no
position to question. In no time at all, you'll be in like Flint. One of
Vancouver's most successful immigration consultants advised a client to
claim falsely she had been raped by Fijian soldiers, according to an
affadavit filed at the Supreme Court of British Columbia. ... The Law
Society of B.C. ... told the Parliamentary Subcommittee on Immigration
Consultants [November 7] it has received numerous complaints of
exploitation that reveal negligence and fraud by some immigration
consultants. ... Refugee claimant Om Wati Chand stated in her 1993
affadavit that ... Jaswant Singh Mangat ... advised her to claim she was
raped. Mr. Mangat told me that this false rape claim was necessary so that
my claim would be accepted by the panel as my story was weak. (Vancouver
Sun, November 9, 1995) Mangat denies Om Wati Chand's accusations. 
 


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Subject: HORRIFIC SPORTING GOODS STORE ROBBERY IN TORONTO
Date: 5 Mar 1996 00:51:58 GMT
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neral,nb.general,soc.culture.african.american ]
[ Author was Mark Zajac ]
[ Posted on 5 Mar 1996 00:49:25 GMT ]


         Chinese Refugee Jailed for 13 Years for Trafficking 

A first offender has been sentenced to 13 years in prison for his 
involvement in a plot to smuggle $13-million worth of heroin into Canada. 

The stiff penalty must serve as a warning to those who think they can 
come to Canada and play hard and fast with the laws of this country, 
Madam Justice Donna Haley said [October 18]. 

Tat Xing Li, a 30-year-old refugee from China, spent 13 months in 
pre-trial custody. He was convicted of conspiring to smuggle heroin into 
Canada and of trafficking in the illegal drug the judge said caused 
untold misery to society. ...  The plot was hatched in the spring of 1993 
and involved smuggling seven kilograms of heroin in the hollowed-out 
frames of Chinese paintings mailed from Thailand to Toronto.

Lawyer Kofi Barnes ... said the street value of that much heroin would
have been approximately $13-million.  (Toronto Star, October 19, 1995)

Once again, isn't anyone at the Department of Immigration responsible? How
did Li get into the country? Did he have a criminal background in China? 
Will this dealer in death now be deported? Is anyone in Ottawa/Hull
listening? 
 



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Subject: Cato summary on Immigration
Date: 5 Mar 1996 00:52:48 GMT
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[ Article crossposted from tor.general,can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada,bc.general,ab.general,alt.politics.immigration,ott.general,qc.general,ns.general,nb.general ]
[ Author was Mark Zajac ]
[ Posted on 5 Mar 1996 00:45:18 GMT ]


                             CRIME WATCH
         Sikh Berry Pickers & U.I. Fraud in the Fraser Valley 

Manjit Kaur (a recent immigrant from India) toiled 12 hours a day, seven 
days a week, in backbreaking farm work--only to be ripped off by the 
(Indo-Canadian) contractor who hired her. After nearly four months in 
(British Columbia's) Fraser Valley berry fields, all she got was a record 
of employment--a form that allowed her to apply for 
unemployment-insurance benefits.  (The Province, October 15, 1995).  

Of course, this scam has been going on for years.  Some 
'enterpreneur-class' Sikh throws a group of his immigrant buddies into an 
old school bus, drives them out to a farm in the valley in the morning, 
and, at the end of the day, he brings them back to the monster homes that 
infest Vancouver's suburbs.  This 'contractor' takes most, if not all, 
the workers wages (paid by the farmer), and in exchange for their 
silence, these new arrivals to Canada get bogus employment records which 
say they worked the minimum 20 weeks (which they didn't) that qualify 
them for UI.  

Naturally, most of these 'contractors' issue false documents to their 
friends and relatives, so they too can go on UI and these beneficiaries 
of family reunification have never even worked in the fields! 

An estimated 6,300 B.C. farm workers were collecting unemployment 
insurance last December.  An estimated $42 million in insurance benefits 
is paid to farm workers each year.  

In two recent cases where the contractors have pleaded guilty to issuing 
false records of employment, they signed false documents worth about $2 
million in UI funds.  Gursewak Singh Varing, one of the men convicted of 
22 counts of fraud, seemed to be shocked with his one year jail term (to 
be served on electronic monitoring, which allows him to sell used cars in 
nearby Clearbrook), because, as he says, everybody knew I did it.  (And 
everybody knows that Gursewak Singh Varing isn't the only "bad apple" in 
the Sikh community, who is busy picking Canadian taxpayers pockets instead 
of berries) Of course, the whole scam wasn't exposed until one of the
farmers, a Casey Houweling, realized that the workers Mr. Varing had
provided for his Houweling Nurseries were also collecting UIC.  Mr
Houweling (who blew the whistle, lost a million dolars in lost
productivity, and got other farmers angry with him, because his actions
risked losing their cheap labour supply) was disappointed with Mr.
Varing's light sentence; but, he says, I'm still glad I did it--it's my
duty as a Canadian!  

It's too bad the other so-called Canadian farm-owners are more concerned 
with protecting their source of cheap labour than they are about the 
future of their country. 
 



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                             CRIME WATCH
         Sikh Berry Pickers & U.I. Fraud in the Fraser Valley 

Manjit Kaur (a recent immigrant from India) toiled 12 hours a day, seven 
days a week, in backbreaking farm work--only to be ripped off by the 
(Indo-Canadian) contractor who hired her. After nearly four months in 
(British Columbia's) Fraser Valley berry fields, all she got was a record 
of employment--a form that allowed her to apply for 
unemployment-insurance benefits.  (The Province, October 15, 1995).  

Of course, this scam has been going on for years.  Some 
'enterpreneur-class' Sikh throws a group of his immigrant buddies into an 
old school bus, drives them out to a farm in the valley in the morning, 
and, at the end of the day, he brings them back to the monster homes that 
infest Vancouver's suburbs.  This 'contractor' takes most, if not all, 
the workers wages (paid by the farmer), and in exchange for their 
silence, these new arrivals to Canada get bogus employment records which 
say they worked the minimum 20 weeks (which they didn't) that qualify 
them for UI.  

Naturally, most of these 'contractors' issue false documents to their 
friends and relatives, so they too can go on UI and these beneficiaries 
of family reunification have never even worked in the fields! 

An estimated 6,300 B.C. farm workers were collecting unemployment 
insurance last December.  An estimated $42 million in insurance benefits 
is paid to farm workers each year.  

In two recent cases where the contractors have pleaded guilty to issuing 
false records of employment, they signed false documents worth about $2 
million in UI funds.  Gursewak Singh Varing, one of the men convicted of 
22 counts of fraud, seemed to be shocked with his one year jail term (to 
be served on electronic monitoring, which allows him to sell used cars in 
nearby Clearbrook), because, as he says, everybody knew I did it.  (And 
everybody knows that Gursewak Singh Varing isn't the only "bad apple" in 
the Sikh community, who is busy picking Canadian taxpayers pockets instead 
of berries) Of course, the whole scam wasn't exposed until one of the
farmers, a Casey Houweling, realized that the workers Mr. Varing had
provided for his Houweling Nurseries were also collecting UIC.  Mr
Houweling (who blew the whistle, lost a million dolars in lost
productivity, and got other farmers angry with him, because his actions
risked losing their cheap labour supply) was disappointed with Mr.
Varing's light sentence; but, he says, I'm still glad I did it--it's my
duty as a Canadian!  

It's too bad the other so-called Canadian farm-owners are more concerned 
with protecting their source of cheap labour than they are about the 
future of their country. 
 



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         Chinese Refugee Jailed for 13 Years for Trafficking 

A first offender has been sentenced to 13 years in prison for his 
involvement in a plot to smuggle $13-million worth of heroin into Canada. 

The stiff penalty must serve as a warning to those who think they can 
come to Canada and play hard and fast with the laws of this country, 
Madam Justice Donna Haley said [October 18]. 

Tat Xing Li, a 30-year-old refugee from China, spent 13 months in 
pre-trial custody. He was convicted of conspiring to smuggle heroin into 
Canada and of trafficking in the illegal drug the judge said caused 
untold misery to society. ...  The plot was hatched in the spring of 1993 
and involved smuggling seven kilograms of heroin in the hollowed-out 
frames of Chinese paintings mailed from Thailand to Toronto.

Lawyer Kofi Barnes ... said the street value of that much heroin would
have been approximately $13-million.  (Toronto Star, October 19, 1995)

Once again, isn't anyone at the Department of Immigration responsible? How
did Li get into the country? Did he have a criminal background in China? 
Will this dealer in death now be deported? Is anyone in Ottawa/Hull
listening? 
 



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                             CRIME WATCH
         Sikh Berry Pickers & U.I. Fraud in the Fraser Valley 

Manjit Kaur (a recent immigrant from India) toiled 12 hours a day, seven 
days a week, in backbreaking farm work--only to be ripped off by the 
(Indo-Canadian) contractor who hired her. After nearly four months in 
(British Columbia's) Fraser Valley berry fields, all she got was a record 
of employment--a form that allowed her to apply for 
unemployment-insurance benefits.  (The Province, October 15, 1995).  

Of course, this scam has been going on for years.  Some 
'enterpreneur-class' Sikh throws a group of his immigrant buddies into an 
old school bus, drives them out to a farm in the valley in the morning, 
and, at the end of the day, he brings them back to the monster homes that 
infest Vancouver's suburbs.  This 'contractor' takes most, if not all, 
the workers wages (paid by the farmer), and in exchange for their 
silence, these new arrivals to Canada get bogus employment records which 
say they worked the minimum 20 weeks (which they didn't) that qualify 
them for UI.  

Naturally, most of these 'contractors' issue false documents to their 
friends and relatives, so they too can go on UI and these beneficiaries 
of family reunification have never even worked in the fields! 

An estimated 6,300 B.C. farm workers were collecting unemployment 
insurance last December.  An estimated $42 million in insurance benefits 
is paid to farm workers each year.  

In two recent cases where the contractors have pleaded guilty to issuing 
false records of employment, they signed false documents worth about $2 
million in UI funds.  Gursewak Singh Varing, one of the men convicted of 
22 counts of fraud, seemed to be shocked with his one year jail term (to 
be served on electronic monitoring, which allows him to sell used cars in 
nearby Clearbrook), because, as he says, everybody knew I did it.  (And 
everybody knows that Gursewak Singh Varing isn't the only "bad apple" in 
the Sikh community, who is busy picking Canadian taxpayers pockets instead 
of berries) Of course, the whole scam wasn't exposed until one of the
farmers, a Casey Houweling, realized that the workers Mr. Varing had
provided for his Houweling Nurseries were also collecting UIC.  Mr
Houweling (who blew the whistle, lost a million dolars in lost
productivity, and got other farmers angry with him, because his actions
risked losing their cheap labour supply) was disappointed with Mr.
Varing's light sentence; but, he says, I'm still glad I did it--it's my
duty as a Canadian!  

It's too bad the other so-called Canadian farm-owners are more concerned 
with protecting their source of cheap labour than they are about the 
future of their country. 
 



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         Chinese Refugee Jailed for 13 Years for Trafficking 

A first offender has been sentenced to 13 years in prison for his 
involvement in a plot to smuggle $13-million worth of heroin into Canada. 

The stiff penalty must serve as a warning to those who think they can 
come to Canada and play hard and fast with the laws of this country, 
Madam Justice Donna Haley said [October 18]. 

Tat Xing Li, a 30-year-old refugee from China, spent 13 months in 
pre-trial custody. He was convicted of conspiring to smuggle heroin into 
Canada and of trafficking in the illegal drug the judge said caused 
untold misery to society. ...  The plot was hatched in the spring of 1993 
and involved smuggling seven kilograms of heroin in the hollowed-out 
frames of Chinese paintings mailed from Thailand to Toronto.

Lawyer Kofi Barnes ... said the street value of that much heroin would
have been approximately $13-million.  (Toronto Star, October 19, 1995)

Once again, isn't anyone at the Department of Immigration responsible? How
did Li get into the country? Did he have a criminal background in China? 
Will this dealer in death now be deported? Is anyone in Ottawa/Hull
listening? 
 



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                             CRIME WATCH
         Sikh Berry Pickers & U.I. Fraud in the Fraser Valley 

Manjit Kaur (a recent immigrant from India) toiled 12 hours a day, seven 
days a week, in backbreaking farm work--only to be ripped off by the 
(Indo-Canadian) contractor who hired her. After nearly four months in 
(British Columbia's) Fraser Valley berry fields, all she got was a record 
of employment--a form that allowed her to apply for 
unemployment-insurance benefits.  (The Province, October 15, 1995).  

Of course, this scam has been going on for years.  Some 
'enterpreneur-class' Sikh throws a group of his immigrant buddies into an 
old school bus, drives them out to a farm in the valley in the morning, 
and, at the end of the day, he brings them back to the monster homes that 
infest Vancouver's suburbs.  This 'contractor' takes most, if not all, 
the workers wages (paid by the farmer), and in exchange for their 
silence, these new arrivals to Canada get bogus employment records which 
say they worked the minimum 20 weeks (which they didn't) that qualify 
them for UI.  

Naturally, most of these 'contractors' issue false documents to their 
friends and relatives, so they too can go on UI and these beneficiaries 
of family reunification have never even worked in the fields! 

An estimated 6,300 B.C. farm workers were collecting unemployment 
insurance last December.  An estimated $42 million in insurance benefits 
is paid to farm workers each year.  

In two recent cases where the contractors have pleaded guilty to issuing 
false records of employment, they signed false documents worth about $2 
million in UI funds.  Gursewak Singh Varing, one of the men convicted of 
22 counts of fraud, seemed to be shocked with his one year jail term (to 
be served on electronic monitoring, which allows him to sell used cars in 
nearby Clearbrook), because, as he says, everybody knew I did it.  (And 
everybody knows that Gursewak Singh Varing isn't the only "bad apple" in 
the Sikh community, who is busy picking Canadian taxpayers pockets instead 
of berries) Of course, the whole scam wasn't exposed until one of the
farmers, a Casey Houweling, realized that the workers Mr. Varing had
provided for his Houweling Nurseries were also collecting UIC.  Mr
Houweling (who blew the whistle, lost a million dolars in lost
productivity, and got other farmers angry with him, because his actions
risked losing their cheap labour supply) was disappointed with Mr.
Varing's light sentence; but, he says, I'm still glad I did it--it's my
duty as a Canadian!  

It's too bad the other so-called Canadian farm-owners are more concerned 
with protecting their source of cheap labour than they are about the 
future of their country. 
 



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         Chinese Refugee Jailed for 13 Years for Trafficking 

A first offender has been sentenced to 13 years in prison for his 
involvement in a plot to smuggle $13-million worth of heroin into Canada. 

The stiff penalty must serve as a warning to those who think they can 
come to Canada and play hard and fast with the laws of this country, 
Madam Justice Donna Haley said [October 18]. 

Tat Xing Li, a 30-year-old refugee from China, spent 13 months in 
pre-trial custody. He was convicted of conspiring to smuggle heroin into 
Canada and of trafficking in the illegal drug the judge said caused 
untold misery to society. ...  The plot was hatched in the spring of 1993 
and involved smuggling seven kilograms of heroin in the hollowed-out 
frames of Chinese paintings mailed from Thailand to Toronto.

Lawyer Kofi Barnes ... said the street value of that much heroin would
have been approximately $13-million.  (Toronto Star, October 19, 1995)

Once again, isn't anyone at the Department of Immigration responsible? How
did Li get into the country? Did he have a criminal background in China? 
Will this dealer in death now be deported? Is anyone in Ottawa/Hull
listening? 
 



From markz@io.org Tue Mar  5 16:04:35 PST 1996
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From: markz@io.org (Mark Zajac)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: HORRIFIC SPORTING GOODS STORE ROBBERY IN TORONTO
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[ Article crossposted from can.talk.guns,tor.general,can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada,bc.general,ab.general,alt.politics.immigration,alt.discrimination,alt.law-enforcement,ott.general,misc.immigration.canada,can.community.asian,qc.general,ns.general,nb.genera ]
[ Author was KV ]
[ Posted on Sun, 3 Mar 1996 09:47:35  ]

In article  Neil  writes:
>From: Neil 
>Subject: Re: HORRIFIC SPORTING GOODS STORE ROBBERY IN TORONTO
>Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 19:25:43 -0700

>On Sat, 24 Feb 1996, Ilias Kotsovolos wrote:

>> Neil wrote:
>> > On 24 Feb 1996, GREGS wrote:
>> > > FIVE or SIX  BLACK MALES [snip]
>> > 
>> > Your motives are obvious.
>> 
>> And what would those be, for us the less gifted ones?

>Since his pointing out their racial background is not in any way going to
>help the investiation of this crime, his motive is to scapegoat blacks,
>Jamaicans in particular.


Racial background is quite relevant.  If 70% of violent crime is committed by 
14% of the population, then perhaps we have isolated the real problem to some 
extent.  It's the same with the Mafia.  If 90%+ of Mafia are of Italian 
descent, to refuse to mention that is a crime itself.  Why should we pretend 
that Mafia could include everybody when it does not?  If blacks commit most of 
the violent crime, way out of proportion to their numbers, then that is highly 
relevant.

Screaming "racist" or "Nazi" or other inflammatory words is just putting one's 
head in the sand.  We have a real problem with Black crime and, indeed, 
Hispanic crime.  I don't have the answer to this problem, but pretending that 
this is not unusual indicates someone's own mental problems.






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From: markz@io.org (Mark Zajac)
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Subject: IMMIGRANTS EXPAND WORKFORCE-NOT ENOUGH JOBS-Study
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[ Article crossposted from can.jobs ]
[ Author was Chris Burd ]
[ Posted on Fri, 01 Mar 1996 07:44:58 -0800 ]

In article <4h5ref$ieo@news2.ios.com>, vlad@gramercy.ios.com (Vlastimil
Adamovsky) wrote:

> schuck@sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck) wrote:
> 
> >Thank your for the revealing post. Your opinion of Canadians is shared
> >by many immigrants.
> 
> >It's too bad that immigrants are not tested for their bigotted attitudes 
> >before they are brought in to compete with Canadians for jobs and to
> >keep unemployment high and wages low.
> 
> How did you or your ancestor  become a Canadian? 
> You didn't compete with native Canadians, did you?
> 
> Low wages? Evidence please.
> 
> 
There is evidence that immigrants compete for low-wage jobs. First, try
taking a taxi or eating in a cheap restaurant. Second, recall the official
(Economic Council of Canada?) report that overshadowed the immigration
debate a couple of years ago. Everyone was aware of its major
conclusion--that immigrants benefit the economy overall, mostly by
expanding the population base. Less attention was paid to its suggestion
that high immigration probably threatened the position of Canadian-born
low-skill, low-wage workers (due to job competition). From talking to
friends in the social service/correctional services area, I'm somewhat
afraid that this mostly white underclass is a real social time bomb. This
is my main reservation about high immigration.

As for our competition with native Canadians--I am getting tired of hearing
this rhetorical gambit (I wdn't call it an argument). Were we fair to the
native peoples? No! We stole their land, we destroyed their cultures. Does
that mean we're morally bound to allow other cultures to destroy us? No!
(NOT THAT IMMIGRATION AT ANY CONCEIVABLE LEVEL POSES SUCH A THREAT!). To
put it another way... did the First Nations impose immigration controls
against us whites. Well I think they tried from time to time... It would
have been much better for them if they had succeeded. 


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[ Article crossposted from can.jobs ]
[ Author was Chris Burd ]
[ Posted on Fri, 01 Mar 1996 07:44:58 -0800 ]

In article <4h5ref$ieo@news2.ios.com>, vlad@gramercy.ios.com (Vlastimil
Adamovsky) wrote:

> schuck@sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck) wrote:
> 
> >Thank your for the revealing post. Your opinion of Canadians is shared
> >by many immigrants.
> 
> >It's too bad that immigrants are not tested for their bigotted attitudes 
> >before they are brought in to compete with Canadians for jobs and to
> >keep unemployment high and wages low.
> 
> How did you or your ancestor  become a Canadian? 
> You didn't compete with native Canadians, did you?
> 
> Low wages? Evidence please.
> 
> 
There is evidence that immigrants compete for low-wage jobs. First, try
taking a taxi or eating in a cheap restaurant. Second, recall the official
(Economic Council of Canada?) report that overshadowed the immigration
debate a couple of years ago. Everyone was aware of its major
conclusion--that immigrants benefit the economy overall, mostly by
expanding the population base. Less attention was paid to its suggestion
that high immigration probably threatened the position of Canadian-born
low-skill, low-wage workers (due to job competition). From talking to
friends in the social service/correctional services area, I'm somewhat
afraid that this mostly white underclass is a real social time bomb. This
is my main reservation about high immigration.

As for our competition with native Canadians--I am getting tired of hearing
this rhetorical gambit (I wdn't call it an argument). Were we fair to the
native peoples? No! We stole their land, we destroyed their cultures. Does
that mean we're morally bound to allow other cultures to destroy us? No!
(NOT THAT IMMIGRATION AT ANY CONCEIVABLE LEVEL POSES SUCH A THREAT!). To
put it another way... did the First Nations impose immigration controls
against us whites. Well I think they tried from time to time... It would
have been much better for them if they had succeeded. 


From markz@io.org Tue Mar  5 22:32:59 PST 1996
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From: markz@io.org (Mark Zajac)
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Subject: Immigrate to Canada in Four Months
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In only four months?  You must be kidding!  
It can't be that easy, can it?


[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.pakistan ]
[ Author was Shiraz Somji ]
[ Posted on 27 Feb 1996 16:27:02 -0500 ]


IMMIGRATE TO CANADA
===================

Inter-Connections Canada is part of a consulting network established
to assist those who wish to immigrate to Canada. This network is




From markz@io.org Tue Mar  5 22:33:00 PST 1996
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[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.pakistan ]
[ Author was Shiraz Somji ]
[ Posted on 20 Feb 1996 14:07:02 -0500 ]


IMMIGRATE TO CANADA
===================

Inter-Connections Canada is part of a consulting network established
to assist those who wish to immigrate to Canada. This network is
supported by and associated with expert lawyers and other qualified
professional specialists. Therefore, it is able to provide a spectrum
of personalized services.

Presently there are several immigration programmes in effect which
constantly undergo changes and amendments. This is due to Canada's
Immigration policy which is based on successful establishment of
immigrants in a multi-cultural environment.

Applicants are assessed against criteria which take into account the
labour market demands, business opportunities, and educational
requirements and re-unification of families besides other factors.

Inter-Connections Canada carefully pre-screens its clientele to assess
Canadian Immigration Eligibility Criteria at no cost or obligation. To
those who qualify, it recommends the procedure to follow in order to
make an application. It also offers to prepare, submit and follow through 
with application including assistance for successful settlement and
establishment in Canada. It maintains that a well-represented application
will achieve favorable results by easing the administrative burden
on the processing personnel who implement Canada's Immigration policies.

For a free assessment, please send a bio-data showing your age, education, 
work experiences, financial resources and presence if any, of a relative 
in Canada to zeenat@icciss.com. 

Upon receipt of the same, we shall revert to you with our assessment 
which will include the scope of our services, personalized to your needs. 

For more information, please visit our home page at http://www.icciss.com/
or send mail to zeenat@icciss.com.


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Isn't it about time that these leeches who take advantage of
immigrants as well as sell out Canadian jobs out from under 
the feet of unemployed Canadians were stopped?



[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.taiwan ]
[ Author was Philippe Archambault ]
[ Posted on Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:41:06 GMT ]

I am presently doing on-line research for a custommer, Marin &
Associates, a legal firm specialized in Canadian immigration that is
looking for potential business partners in countries worldwide. 

Their goal is to assist potential candidates throughout the various
steps required for the obtention of a temporary or permanent visa.

They are looking to form parternships with individuals or firms in
various countries, who could refer to them people interested in
emmigrating to Canada.

If you are interested in such a proposition, or know of people who
would, you can e-mail this information directly to our custommer, at
the following adress:

	pmarin@alphacom.net

Thank you very much for your attention.

--
           /_________  Philippe Archambault
          /  ________  philor@alphacom.net  info@alphacom.net
         /  @ _______  http://www.alphacom.net
        /      ______  Les services internet  a l p h a  inc.
       --   ====



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From: markz@io.org (Mark Zajac)
Newsgroups: can.general,soc.culture.canada,alt.politics.immigration
Subject: HORRIFIC ARMOURED-CAR ROBBERY IN TORONTO
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[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.canada,can.general,can.politics,bc.general,ab.general,nb.general,ns.general,sask.general,mtl.general,ott.general,can.community.asian,tor.general,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.immigration,misc.immigration.misc,misc.immigration.canada,alt.law-enforcement ]
[ Author was GREGS ]
[ Posted on 5 Mar 1996 19:14:44 GMT ]

In article ,
stian@radata.no (Stian Oksavik) wrote:

** In article ,
** gregs@inforamp.net (GREGS) wrote:
** 
** > The information below is cross-posted to numerous canadian newsgroups in
** > the hope that it will enlighten CANADIANS as to the amount of horrible
** > violent crime that is occurring in our society DAILY and contrary to the
** > LIES of our government, is actually on the increase. 
** > In the past crimes like those below would be reported NATIONWIDE for days
** > but has become routine page five blurbs because it happens every day!
** > 
** > BEGIN

** > WAKE UP CANADA!
** > 
** > The cost to CANADA of NOT deporting FOREIGN BORN non-citizen criminals is
** > in the BILLIONS OF DOLLARS  EVERY SINGLE YEAR   >BILLIONS OF DOLLARS< 
** > 
** > There is no reason on earth that this country should not allow
** > LIMITED,CONTROLLED,SELECTIVE IMMIGRATION but GODDAMNIT we don't have to
** > tolerate even for one MINUTE the world's VIOLENT CRIMINAL SCUM washing up
** > on our shores to wreak havoc,murder,and mayhem on the
** > innocent,peace-loving CANADIAN people.

------------------------------------------------------------------**
STIAN  OKSAVIK writes

** Immigrating to any country is virtually impossible for a person with a
** criminal record. However, I agree that any immigrant should be deported
** from any country if convicted of a major crime (a misdemeanor such as a
** speeding ticket would not be considered a major crime.)
------------------------------------------------------------------

The above is true for all civilised countries EXCEPT Canada where ANYONE
with a return airline ticket can land here no questions asked.
Just this week a convicted IRA terrorist was captured WORKING in Ottawa at
our Parliment buildings.(Another choice job STOLEN from a CANADIAN) The
man is an expert in the use of explosives and was trained by the Communist
Bloc (no longer with us except here in Canada) in state terrorist
activities!

During the SAME WEEK

Another piece of work was the arrest here in Toronto of a CHINESE NATIONAL
wanted in the United States for KIDNAPPING,EXTORTION,ROBBERY,ASSAULT WITH
A DEADLY WEAPON,ASSAULT and BATTERY,and WOUNDING (he bit off 2 of the
fingers of his victim during an escape attempt).
The fucker was living here on DOUBLE welfare and claimed refugee status
saying he arrived from China when in reality he flew in from the United
States.
The fugitive used his own name during his stay here and for all his
applications for welfare,housing,clothing,and medical handouts he didn't
even bother to use a fake name! 

This is how between 50 and 100 THOUSAND people come to Canada ILLEGALLY
every year,they just fly in and disappear into the underground economy.

As to deporting convicted criminals from Canada,it is a great big FUCKING JOKE!

A real piece of shit scumbag who came to Canada 6 years ago from JAMAICA
racked up  >25< ,TWENTY FIVE criminal convictions including,ARMED
ROBBERY,ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON,ASSAULTING POLICE OFFICERS,POSSESSION
OF A PROHIBITED WEAPON(sawed-off shotgun),POSSESSION OF A RESTRICTED
WEAPON(handguns),USING A HANDGUN IN THE COMMISION OF A CRIME,numerousCRACK
COKECAINE DEALING CONVICTIONS and other lesser convictions.

Now I ask anyone is this man (I dont have is name at this moment but I
will post it when I find it again) NOT A PRIME CANDIDATE FOR INSTANTANEOUS
DEPORTATION FROM CANADA? 

Well,during his DEPORTATION HEARING it was decided that in the governments
INFINITE wisdom that NO he should be given ANOTHER chance!
He was immediately released from custody where THE NEXT DAY HE WAS
ARRESTED IN A CRACK INFESTED NEIGBOURHOOD AND CHARGED WITH ASSAULTING
POLICE OFFICERS,POSSESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF TRAFFICING,POSSESSION OF A
RESTRICTED WEAPON,and RESISTING ARREST

We are becoming the laughing stock of the world,we are becoming a SUCKER
NATION at the mercy of INTERNATIONAL CRIMINALS when we have enough of our
own homegrown CUTTHROATS!


WAKE UP CANADA ITS TIME TO TAKE OUT THE TRASH!

-- 
gregs

SEMPER FIDELIS
     The Canadian Constitution
     "Void Where Prohibited By Law"


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Isn't it about time that these leeches who take advantage of
immigrants as well as sell out Canadian jobs out from under 
the feet of unemployed Canadians were stopped?



[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.taiwan ]
[ Author was Philippe Archambault ]
[ Posted on Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:41:06 GMT ]

I am presently doing on-line research for a custommer, Marin &
Associates, a legal firm specialized in Canadian immigration that is
looking for potential business partners in countries worldwide. 

Their goal is to assist potential candidates throughout the various
steps required for the obtention of a temporary or permanent visa.

They are looking to form parternships with individuals or firms in
various countries, who could refer to them people interested in
emmigrating to Canada.

If you are interested in such a proposition, or know of people who
would, you can e-mail this information directly to our custommer, at
the following adress:

	pmarin@alphacom.net

Thank you very much for your attention.

--
           /_________  Philippe Archambault
          /  ________  philor@alphacom.net  info@alphacom.net
         /  @ _______  http://www.alphacom.net
        /      ______  Les services internet  a l p h a  inc.
       --   ====



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From: markz@io.org (Mark Zajac)
Newsgroups: bc.general,van.general,bc.jobs,van.jobs
Subject: NEW CANADIAN POINT SYSTEM***
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[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.taiwan ]
[ Author was tchoy@helix.net (tom choy) ]
[ Posted on 19 Feb 1996 16:03:34 GMT ]


CANADIAN IMMIGRATION POINT SYSTEM

Thinking of immigrating to Canada? 

Find out for yourself if you qualify. See the most current Canada's 
Immigration Point System at URL: 

http://www.reonline.com/re/choy.html

You may also request for a Vancouver Relocation and Job Package 
on-line today.


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From: markz@io.org (Mark Zajac)
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Subject: Looking for Muslim immigrants
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[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.bangladesh ]
[ Author was Keith_Taverner ]
[ Posted on Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:54:32 -0800 ]

For Immediate Release: 

Looking for Muslim immigrants from Asia (or of Asian descent) who 
arrived in Canada between 6 and 10 years ago and who are 18 to 23 old.

The Laurier Institution is in IMMEDIATE need of INTERVIEWEES TO 
PARTICIPATE IN A SHORT, CONFIDENTIAL SURVEY. PARTICIPANTS WILL BE PAID A 
GENEROUS HONORIARIUM. All information will be held in the strictest of 
confidence and will add to the understanding of how young immigrants 
assimilate into Canadian society. The results of this research will be 
of benefit to your ethnic community.

If interested, please reply here (leaving a means of contacting you) or, 
as soon as possible, call:

       939-8777 or 948-1146

The Laurier Institution is a non-profit organization interested in 
multiculturalism and education in Vancouver, British Columbia.


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         Chinese Refugee Jailed for 13 Years for Trafficking 

A first offender has been sentenced to 13 years in prison for his 
involvement in a plot to smuggle $13-million worth of heroin into Canada. 

The stiff penalty must serve as a warning to those who think they can 
come to Canada and play hard and fast with the laws of this country, 
Madam Justice Donna Haley said [October 18]. 

Tat Xing Li, a 30-year-old refugee from China, spent 13 months in 
pre-trial custody. He was convicted of conspiring to smuggle heroin into 
Canada and of trafficking in the illegal drug the judge said caused 
untold misery to society. ...  The plot was hatched in the spring of 1993 
and involved smuggling seven kilograms of heroin in the hollowed-out 
frames of Chinese paintings mailed from Thailand to Toronto.

Lawyer Kofi Barnes ... said the street value of that much heroin would
have been approximately $13-million.  (Toronto Star, October 19, 1995)

Once again, isn't anyone at the Department of Immigration responsible? How
did Li get into the country? Did he have a criminal background in China? 
Will this dealer in death now be deported? Is anyone in Ottawa/Hull
listening? 
 



From markz@io.org Wed Mar  6 18:48:53 PST 1996
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[ Article crossposted from ont.general ]
[ Author was Joe Tassielli ]
[ Posted on Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:50:49 GMT ]


Neil (neilends@U.Arizona.EDU) writes:
> On 9 Feb 1996, Joseph Hin-bun Mak wrote:
> [parts snipped]
> 
> So you are trying to compare the Aryan Nations to Chinese employers? 
> Interesting. 
> 
> 
>> Canadians have been compassionate, humanitarian and tolerant of
>> non-English speaking immigrants?  They've been welcoming?  Wow.
>> It seems that the official opposition (the Reform Party) doesn't
>> act in the way you picture Canadian/Immigrant relations.  Last I

Let's qualify that!  White Canadians have been compasionate!  Seems to me,
since this country went on the idiotic path of "multi-culturism" (a polite
term for allowing scum politicians to create an ethnic voting block),
visible minority immigrants (or their self styled leadership) have done
nothing but use multi-culturism for their "OWN" benefit.


As for the scum politicians or any other public official trying to split a
sunder this once great nation: hang em, and hang em high!



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