From firstname.lastname@example.org Tue Aug 20 07:26:08 PDT 1996 Article: 58427 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!v_mail.supra.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: email@example.com (Matt Giwer) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Of mice and men and women who scare the shit out of Janet Reno Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 05:48:59 GMT Organization: images incarnate Lines: 500 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: tam-fl3-21.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Aug 20 12:52:42 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Return-Path:
Received: from iquest.net (iquest4.iquest.net [18.104.22.168]) by ixmail2.ix.netcom.com (8.7.5/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id WAA18131; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ind-009-237-110.iquest.net by iquest.net with smtp (Smail22.214.171.124 #5) id m0usjMc-0049mzC; Tue, 20 Aug 96 00:28 EST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 00:28 EST X-Sender: email@example.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Matt Giwer From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Linda Thompson) Subject: A little help Here's what I just sent out over AEN and a few extras to your favorite person: Please spread far and wide. The below message concerns an ongoing harassment campaign being conducted by a group that calls itself the "Nizkor Project." They are are self-styled internet group that claims to identify "nazis and terrorists" on the internet. Sound familiar? The head of it is a guy named Ken McVay, who is an American citizen, living in Canada. [By the way, when KNOWN U.S. Customs Employee/Internet/Fidonet Web terrorizor Allen Taylor crashed MCMsys.com with email bombs, he had help >from a friend in Canada. Was it McVay? Are we one to the spook trail here, eh?) McVay's pages contain "biographical" information on "nazis" and when I first looked at the page, only about 3 weeks ago, there were *very* few listings and the people who were listed, were *not* "nazis" or anything of the sort. They were people who had been exposing the role of, say, the military and U.S. government in terrorizing the U.S. and in drug trafficking and the role of the ADL in subverting the Constitutional Republic of the United States through terrorism while using the FALSE COVER of claiming to fight anti-semitism and racism. I told McVay I was going to sue him. Immediately afterwards, he put up a whole lot *more* files, mostly about nazis from WWII, to make it look like he actually had something in his skimpy "biographical" area. He still left the files about me up and posted my messages to him to beef up his area. Matt Giwer was another of the people listed on his few pages a couple of weeks ago. I told Matt that when I looked up McVay, that McVay turned up ONLY in the military WHOIS listings. Curious, eh? Since then, Matt has been demanding to know the connection to the U.S. military (DOD) and this supposedly "not for profit" group (that is NOT registered as a not-for-profit and uses a drop box in Texas and a religious front group in Canada to get its money). Not at all surprising, most of the information on "Nizkor" is from the ADL. Matt has been getting email bombs since he started asking questions. Here's Matt's letter: ===================================================== All 256 are not identical save in one feature, they contain the result of a WHOIS query of milnet of kmcvay. Lets see now, someone at gryn.org has threatened "This is just the start, Matt" when the only thing in common is the result of the whois query. And not of the internic information but of the milnet information. Why is that, folks? What is there about the milnet information that draws such a response from a person completely unconnected with Nizkor or kmcvay? Or is there some sort of connection? What is the interest of someone at gryn.org in sending mail bombs regarding the only common information of kmcvay's DOD connection? Is there some sort of connection with the DOD for the both of them? And what is "nonsense" about what the DOD whois server contains? If it is erroneous then someone should get the information corrected. Or has is already been "corrected" as in deleted and is no longer "true?" And if deleted, why? That is it. It appears the mail bomb was sent to notify me that the information had been deleted from nic.ddn.mil. Now it can be claimed to be untrue even though I am not the only one to have looked it up and know it was there. I am far from the only one who looked it up. It is interesting to know that 1B Management Systems Limited still exists. But why would gryn.org be the one to send the "message"? It is all so "mafiosa-like." Do I get a fish wrapped in newspaper next? No, that is an after the fact message. And why is it so important to hide that information? Why is it so important to hide the Nizkor connection to the US DOD via kmcvay? What is wrong with a person's employment? The connection was likely meaningless until tonight's mail bomb. Before the mailbomb it was just a matter of curiousity and would certainly have corrected the "gas station jockey" image of kmcvay. Now it appears to be something in need of hiding. Before, idle speculation, after, intensive curiosity. What a fool thing to have done. And if it is not true, why does email@example.com.CA still work? Try it quick before it is changed. Just say "Hi!" and if you get a response or not, note that your mail is not rejected as undeliverable. Now why would a person be removed from the DOD whois list but still have an account with the defense contractor? What is the point of this bit of amateurishness? An obvious suggestion is that the public record needs be hidden but it will take a while for all of the business contacts to get the new email address so that he can vanish completely from 1B Systems Management Limited. What is going on here? and why? Lets put it all together. I first hear of the information with the suggestion of a CIA connection. Then someone at an org (gryn.org) owned by a person who has at least claimed past intelligence connections (Mossad) sends me a mail bomb as a clever way of telling me the entry has been deleted from the DOD list. I presume this will incite gryn.org to send another mail bomb which will be duly reported here to keep the subject alive. You would think people would be bright enough to know that if things are ignored they die out quickly and no one pays attention. The way it is going, the objective appears to be to keep this issue alive as long as possible. After all, the mail bomb just gave it new life. This gets curiouser and curiouser. Is it any more interesting than this? ===== Yin, Alec (AY42) American Stock Exchange 86 Trinity Place NY, NY 10006 (212) 306-8908 alec@AMEX.COM Record last updated on 02-Apr-96. Please be advised that this whois server only contains DOD Information. All INTERNET Domain, IP Network Number, and ASN records are kept in the Internet Registry, RS.INTERNIC.NET. ===== If so, why? Is anyone really surprised that the American Stock Exchange works through the US DOD? It is a matter of national security is it not? =============== The full record. === Whois Ken McVay? === McVay, Kenneth (KM1343) kmcvay@NIZKOR.ALMANAC.BC.CA 462 - 1150 North Terminal Avenue Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8 CA 1-604-382-0615 Record last updated on 18-Jul-96. The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. ===== The following was deleted from nic.ddn.mil some time between 17 July 1996 and 19 August 1996. However, as of 19 August 1996 the email address still worked. It was originally captured on 17 July 1996. === McVay, Ken (KM214) 1B Systems Management Limited 5-1601 Bowen Road Nanaimo, British Columbia V9S 1G7 CA (604) 758-2499 firstname.lastname@example.org.CA Record last updated on 02-Apr-96. Please be advised that this whois server only contains DOD Information. All INTERNET Domain, IP Network Number, and ASN records are kept in the Internet Registry, RS.INTERNIC.NET. ================= Return-Path: Received: from io.org (io.org [126.96.36.199]) by inews1.ix.netcom.com (8.7.5/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id SAA13892; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from RYKER (gryn.org [188.8.131.52]) by io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA03331 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:24:02 -0400 Received: by RYKER; 20 Aug 96 02:23:32 From: Spankmeister@f98.n12.z1.gryn.org (Spankmeister) Date: 19 Aug 96 21:08:52 -0500 Subject: Questions about Nizkor Message-ID: Organization: images incarnate Reply-To: email@example.com Followup-To: alt.flame,alt.test To: firstname.lastname@example.org Well, since you like repeating nonsense, I thought that I'd oblige you. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | V This is just the start, Matt. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | V Well, since you like repeating nonsense, I thought that I'd oblige you. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | V This is just the start, Matt. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | V Original message: -- Date: Mon Aug 19 '96, 06:10:48 Attr: kil From: email@example.com, (1:12/98.0) To : All, (1:12/98.0) Subj: Questions about Nizkor -- From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Matt Giwer) @Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Questions about Nizkor @Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:10:48 GMT Organization: images incarnate @Lines: 49 @Message-Id: <email@example.com> @References: <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> @Nntp-Posting-Host: tam-fl4-29.ix.netcom.com @X-Netcom-Date: Mon Aug 19 3:14:19 AM PDT 1996 @X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On Sun, 18 Aug 1996 14:21:09 GMT, email@example.com (Mike Curtis) wrote: >firstname.lastname@example.org (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >>> email@example.com (Yvelinec) writes: >>> Can you tell me where the name Nizkor come from, when this project started >>> and who started it? >>> >>> Thank you for your help, >>> Yveline >>> >>>>>> >> The answer to your questions can be found at the following site: >> >> http://nizkor.almanac.bc.ca >Or even better: http://www.nizkor.org both work. So does this. McVay, Ken (KM214) 1B Systems Management Limited 5-1601 Bowen Road Nanaimo, British Columbia V9S 1G7 CA (604) 758-2499 firstname.lastname@example.org.CA Record last updated on 02-Apr-96. Please be advised that this whois server only contains DOD Information. All INTERNET Domain, IP Network Number, and ASN records are kept in the Internet Registry, RS.INTERNIC.NET. ===== It is all public information that HE CHOSE to made available. Sorry about that. Now what does a gas pump jockey have to do with the US DOD? -- | Fidonet: Spankmeister 1:12/98 | Internet: Spankmeister@f98.n12.z1.gryn.org Kind regards, ******************** V *************************** DEATH TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER. *************************************************** Linda Thompson Dr. Linda Thompson American Justice Federation Internet: email@example.com **************************************************** Remember Waco. Remember Oklahoma. The Murderers are still free and running OUR country. **************************************************** PATRIOT and PROUD. **************************************************** Patriot. n. a person who loves his native country and will do all he can for it. The New Lexicon Webster's Dictionary of the English Language, 1991 Deluxe Encyclopedic Edition. The next time you see the media whores claim someone is a "self-styled patriot" tell them that is redundant and they are showing their ignorance.
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