From email@example.com Mon May 13 09:34:47 PDT 1996 Article: 36649 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!imci2!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.zeitgeist.net!rbi143.rbi.com!user From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Mark Van Alstine) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Rekindling Ovens: Dachau Gassings? Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 07:31:50 -0700 Organization: rbi software systems Lines: 112 Message-ID:
References: <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rbi143.rbi.com X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.5b5 In article <firstname.lastname@example.org>, email@example.com (Ehrlich606) wrote: > In a message dated 96-05-05 05:49:21 EDT, Ehrlich 606 wrote: > > >>Mark van Alstine has got a good quote from "The Crime Doctor" which > >>carries a strong implication of gassings at Dachau. But a couple of > >>questions: is the doctor saying "in his opinion" that few of the > >>inmates "were" or "could have been"? When Dr. Larson said: "...But, in my opinion, only relatively few of the inmates I personally examined at Dachau were murdered in this manner..." I read it as he personally _examined_ corpses which, in his opinion as a forensic pathologist, died from poison gas. Given that he also concluded, as a result of his questioning: "...they [the victims] were taken to a big windowless building next to the crematorium where the ceiling was covered with false shower heads. The victims were then ordered to strip and take a 'shower.' Outside the building, guards dropped in cyanide pellets. Then they'd blow the cyanide gas out and remove the bodies next door to the crematorium ovens...." The implication, as I read it, is that they died from HCN poisoning. Do you, perhaps, reach a different conclusion? If so, why? > >>...I don't mean to take the words out of the doctor's mouth, but the > >>primary thrust of that passage is to scotch rumors that large scale > >>gassings were taking place there, n'est-ce pas? Perhaps that is one, somewhat biased, way to read it. One that is not altogether incorrect, either, as historians have never claimed that Dachau was an extermination camp like Auschwitz. However, IMO, a more objective way to read it is that it simply states that a small number of homicidal gassings did take place against the backdrop of a great many deaths by other causes, as well as the abysmal living conditions in the camp. In addition to mentioning the gas chamber, Dr. Larson also commented on the general conditions of the camp (_Crime Doctor_, pp.59-63): "Many of them died from typhus... Dachau's crematoriums couldn't keep up with the burning of the bodies... I found that a number of the victims had also died from tuberculosis. All of them were malnourished. The medical facilities were most inadequate. There was no sanitation.' "Dachau was a city of the dead when we got there. We found heaps of bodies outside the crematoriums, 400 to 500 bodies to a heap. Such human waste.They were horribly emaciated, horribly scarred with infected ulcers. They died in all sorts of positions: some of the legs were flexed, some not flexed, there was little muscle tissue left in the legs; many of them weighed less than 100 pounds. Most of the bodies were eastern Europeans, civilians from Poland and Rumania, most of them Jewish.... Those prisoners still alive were mere scarecrows. They had gone for days with nothing to eat, and yet, right up to the very end, the German guards were still trying to march them back and forth to work This was despite the fact that they were dropping dead from typhus with 105-degree temeratures.... > >>If your quote of the doctor contradicts someone else's characterization > >>of him, that is fine. But I would want to know why there has not been any > >>consensus among historians hitherto on this subject, along with > >>quotations from the doctor. It's a good question. As to the lack of consensus among historians, much, I imagine, has to do with the fact that part of the IMT trials at Nuremburg regarding Dachau focused on Rascher's activities with medical experiments, including possible testing of war gases, and the testimony of Dr. Blaha in regards to it. It is probably also worth noting that the U.S.investigators had a report, from a _French_ military mission, entilted _Chemical Warfare_, which had been drawn up in May. I'm not aware that they did indeed reference any reports, at the time, from Dr. Larson for use in the trial. In addition, much of the claims that no homicidal gassings took place in Dachau comes from a letter, written in 1960's, by the director of the Institut fuer Zeitgeschichte (Institute for Contemporary History), in Munich, that stated no gassings took place in Dachau. However, since that letter the Institut had performed more research and came to a new conclusion that: "...a gas chamber was established [in Dachau] in which...a few experimental gassings were undertaken, as more recent research has confirmed." > >>PS: it would be good to know when the book was written and published. 78-16403: McCallum, John Dennis, 1924- Crime Doctor : Dr. Charles P. Larson, world's foremost medical-detective, reports from his crime file Mercer Island, Wash. : Writing Works, c1978. x, 262 p. : ill. ; 22 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: RA1025.L37 M3 1978 As can be seen, Dr. Larsen's personal accounts regarding Dachau were published some time after the war and the IMT trials. Not only that, but the book itself is not specifically about his war experiances, but his career in general, so it is possible, given the title and the fact that the book is somewhat obscure and has been out of print for some time, that historians and Holocaust researchers might not have been (or continue to be) fully aware of his accounts during the war. Mark posted/e-mailed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but right through every human heart--and all human hearts." -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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