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COLONEL POKROVSKY: I understand. The former practice will continue in
operation. If the Tribunal will permit me, I shall draw your attention
to the paragraph which led to the interruption of my report; I have in
mind the three last lines of Page 196 of the document book before you:

"The final aim of the forthcoming negotiations between the Sudeten
German Party and the Czechoslovakian Government is -- to avoid
entering the Government by widening the scope of their demands and by
formulating them with ever increasing precision." In the course of
negotiations it must be pointed out very clearly that the sole partner
in these negotiations with the Czechoslovakian Government is the
Sudeten German Party, and not the Reich Government.

Now I can omit a few lines and go on to Page 197. For purposes of
further collaboration Conrad Henlein was advised to maintain the
closest possible contact with the Reichsminister and with the leader
of the "Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle," as well as with the German
Minister in Prague, who was representing the Reichsminister there.

The task of the German Minister in Prague was to uphold, unofficially,
the Sudeten German Party's demands, especially in private discussions
with Czechoslovakian statesmen, by referring to them as reasonable,
but without exerting any direct influence on the scope of the Party's

                                                            [Page 207]
Finally, the question was discussed of the advisability of the Sudeten
German Party's collaboration with the other national minorities in
Czechoslovakia, especially with the Slovaks. The Reichsminister
decided that "the Party should be given a free hand to contact other
national groups with activities of a parallel nature which might be
considered useful."

Mr. President, your Honours: You will find, on Page 198, Volume I,
Part 1, of the document book, a list of those present at the
conference of 29th March, 1938, in Berlin. The part which I shall
quote is marked with a red pencil. The list includes:

     "Reichsminister von Ribbentrop, State Secretary von Mackensen,
     Ministerialdirektor Weizsaecker, Minister Plenipotentiary to
     Prague Eisenlohr, Minister Stibe, Legationsrat von Twardovsky,
     Legationsrat Altenburg, Legationsrat Kordt (Ministry for Foreign
     Affairs). Others of the group were S.S. Obergruppenfuehrer
     Lorenz, Professor Haushofer (Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle), Conrad
     Henlein, Karl Hermann Frank, Dr. Kuenzel, Dr. Kreisel (Sudeten
     German Party)."
It is not difficult to draw the correct conclusions as to the genuine
intentions of the Fascist conspirators with respect to Czechoslovakia,
if only from the single fact that among those attending the conference
were such people as the defendant Ribbentrop, two Ministers, two
representatives of the so-called "Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle,"
including one Obergruppenfuehrer of the S.S., the prospective
Secretary of State of the Czecho-Moravian Protectorate, Karl Hermann
Frank, and the leader of the so-called Sudeten German Party, Conrad
Henlein, a paid factotum and "agent provocateur" of Hitler.

German diplomatic missions directed the activities of Fascist Party
branches abroad. For this purpose the leader of the A.O., Gauleiter
Ernst Wilhelm Bohle, was appointed State Secretary in the Ministry for
Foreign Affairs.

On 3rd June, 1938, two documents were prepared by S.S. Lorenz, a
participant of the conference to which I have just called the
attention of the Tribunal. I will read both of them. The first one,
referring to the interview with Ward Price, indicates that Henlein was
under the direct control of the S.S., and it was to the S.S. that he
was responsible for his activities.

This document also contains the direct threat to resort to a "radical
operation" in order to bring about the solution of the so-called
Sudeten German problem. I will read this short document into the
Record as Exhibit USSR 270 in full; it is on Page 200, Volume I, Part
1, of the document book:

     "Regarding the interview with Ward Price which appeared in the
     foreign press, S.S. Obergruppenfuehrer Lorenz requested an
     explanation from Henlein. Henlein made the following statement:
          "Ward Price was present at the burial of those executed in
          the town of Eger. He asked Henlein's collaborator,
          Sebekovsky, to arrange a meeting with Henlein for him.
          Henlein knew of the interview given by the Fuehrer to Ward
          Price. He had a talk with Ward Price over a cup of tea. He
          did not give him a real interview. The conversation about
          the Sudeten German and the Czech problems took the form of a
          talk about appendicitis. In this connection Henlein said
          that one should not suffer chronic attacks of appendicitis,
          but preferably undergo a radical operation. Later on, when
          Ward Price published an account of this conversation,
          Henlein intended to expose him. But at that moment, an order
          came through the Embassy in Prague from the Minister of
          Foreign Affairs that Henlein should settle the matter with
          Ward Price amicably, since the latter was in the Fuehrer's
          confidence and was not to be insulted by Sudeten Germans.
     When Henlein met Ward Price again he backed out, putting the
     blame on the members of the Sudeten German Party. In addition to
     this, he wrote a letter to Ward Price, thus settling the matter.
     Signed -- Lorenz."
The second document, which is on Page 201, and is Exhibit USSR 268,
shows that, following the orders of the S.S. and the leaders of the
Hitlerite Conspiracy, Henlein negotiated with the Czech Government for
the settlement of the Sudeten German question solely to create a
provocation, and that these negotiations were closely followed by the
leaders of the Fascist conspiracy who guided Henlein's further steps.

It was quite clear that this question at that moment was not acute,
and that further lengthy and painful negotiations were inevitable.
Nevertheless he asked for instructions on his possible line of action
regarding this problem, in case he were not able to communicate with

     "He himself suggested the following: If Czechoslovakia accedes to
     all my requests I will answer, 'Yes,' but I will insist upon the
     change of its foreign policy. This the Czechs would never accept.
     Henlein was promised that this question would be elucidated by
     the Minister of Foreign Affairs. Signed -- Lorenz."
A very brief excerpt from a top-secret document of State.

THE PRESIDENT: Is it not time to break off? It is now 5:15.

   (The Tribunal adjourned until 9th February, 1946, at 1000 hours.)

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