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From: mvanalstnot@home.com (Mark Van Alstine )
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In article <37908b79.318735736@news.pacificnet.net>, trm@pacificnet.net
(tom moran) wrote:

[snip]

> ...Like Zyklon B being found and
> identified as the agent of mass extermination.

According to Rudolf Höß, the commandant of Auschwitz:



..While I was away on camp-related business, Captain Fritzsch, on his 
own initiative, employed a gas for the killing of these Russian POWs. He 
crammed the Russians into individual cells in the basement [of Block 11] 
and while using gas masks he thre the Cyclon B gas into the cells, thereby
causing their immediate deaths. The gas called Cyclon B was supplied by 
the firm of Tesch and Stabenow and was used constantly for insect and 
rodent control. We always had a large supply of gas canisters available. 
At first only employees of the firm Tesch and Stabenow handled this poison 
gas, a prussic acid preparation, under the strictest safety measures. Later
on some members of the Medical Coprs were trained at the firm to carry out
disinfection procedures, and it was these medics who then carried out 
disinfection and pest control. During Eichmann's next visit I reported all
this to him, about how the Cyclon B was used, and we decided that for the 
future mass annihilations we would use this gas." (_Death Dealer_, pp.29-30.)

 

Sounds like Höß and Eichmann, based on the results of Fritzsch's
"experiment," decided that homicidal gassing with Zyklon B would be used
as the method of mass murder at Auschwitz. 

> Camps were constantly
> under a persistent siege from Thyphus which was carried and
> transmitted by body lice. 

And which, by employing a few basic sanitation measures like regular
bathing and clean clothes and bedding, is easily controlled. Yet the Nazis
never employed these basic santitaion measures. Why? Could it be that the
Auschwitz SS really didn't give a hoot if prisoners came down with typhus?
Fancy that. 

> The Germans were very dilligent on the
> matter of health 

Their _own_ health, yes, which was why prisoners who came into regular
contact with the Auschwitz SS -i.e. office clerks and Sonderkommando,
enjoyed a higher standard of living than the average prisoner. Other than
that the Auschwitz SS were criminally negligent about the health of their
prisoners. 

> and on entering camps the prisoners hair was shaved
> off to eliminate that format for lice to exist...

The prisoners' hair was shaved so that it could be put to "industrial" uses. 

According to Pohl's February 6, 1943, report on the textile _Aktion_ up to
that time, 3 tons of women's hair had been collected.  According to Dr.
Andrzej Strzlecki, of the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum, "in
instructions issued on January 4 and 11, 1943, the administrative
authorities of 11 concentration camps were directed to deliver the hair to
the following German firms: Alex Zink Filzfabrik AG in Roth, near
Nuremberg; Paul Reinmann in Mieroszow, in the Sudenten (Freidland Bez.
Breslau); and Färberi Forst AG, in Forst on the Luzycka Nysa (Neisse)
River. One kg (2.2. pounds) of hair was worth 0.50 Reichmark (RM; about
$1.09)." (Cf. Hilberg, _Destruction_, p.615; Gutman, _Anatomy_, p.260.) 

See also memo regarding "Use of hair cuttings" below.

> be transported and
> communicated to the camp populations. 

Perhaps Moron would then explain why the hair of the women (and not the
men) who were immediately gassed on arrival was cut off? Obviously, since
they were not going to enter the camp, why would the Nazis want to cut,
wash, store their hair for health reasons? 

> The Soviets could very well
> have, even probably did stumble onto some stores of hair, 

Photographs taken upon the liberation of Auschwitz show, for example,
quanties of women's hair, as well as bolts of cloth made from human hair,
were found at Auschwitz. Additionally, Hilberg writes that the "Soviet
investigation commission" found "seven tons of hair" in the tannery at
Auschwitz. (Cf. Sweibocka, _Auschwitz: a history in photographs_,
pp.162,211; Hilberg, _Destruction_, p.615, 632.)

> though most
> off it was probably incinerated as extra precaution against
> infestation. 

It is worth noting that amount of hair shaved from the Hungarian Jews
deported to Auschwitz during Aktion Höß would have come to about 21,400
kg. That only 6,900 kg were found when the camp was liberated implies that
the other 14,500 kg were shipped from Auschwitz. According to Dr. Andrzej
Strzlecki, of the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum, 11 concentration camps,
including Auschwitz, were directed to deliver the hair to German firms.
Given this is was therefore likely that the "missing" 14,500 kg  of hair
from Aktion Höß was shipped to German firms for industrial use. (Cf,
Gutman, _Anatomy_, p.260.) 

> With this shaving of hair being such a widely known practice the
> fabricators of the emerging story couldn't let it stand as being for
> health purposes lest it diminish the credibility of the developing
> extermination story.

The shaving of KL prisoners' hair wasn't for health purposes. It was so
the hair could be made into "industrial felt or spun into yarn" etc. and
to help make it easier to identify escaped prisoners:



SS-Wirtschaftsverwaltungshauptamt                Oranienburg,
                                                 August 6. 1942
Amtsgruppe D - Concentration Camps
D II 288 Ma./Ha. Tgb. 112 geh.                   SECRET!
                                                 Copy 13
Re: Use of hair cuttings

To the Commandants of the Concentration Camps
Arb., Au., Bu., Da., Flo., Gr.Ro., Lu., Maut/Gu., Na., Nie., Neu.,
Rav., Sahs., Stutth., Mor., SS SL Hinzert.

SS Obergruppen fuhrer Pohl, Chief of the SS
Wirtschafts-Verwaltungshauptamt has ordered that the hair of concentration
camp prisoners is to be put to use. Hair is to be made into industrial
felt or spun into yarn. Woman's hair is to be used in the manufacture of
hair-yarn socks for 'U'-boat crews and hair-felt foot-wear for the
Reichs-railway.

It is therefore ordered that the hair of female prisoners be disinfected
and stored. Men's hair can only be put to use if it is longer than 20 mm.
SS Obergruppen fuhrer Pohl therefore agrees for an intial trial period to
the growing of the prisoners hair to a length of 20 mm before it is cut.
Long hair could facillitate escape and to avoid this the camp commandants
may have a middle parting shaved in the prisoners' hair as a
distinguishing mark, if they think it is necessary.

It is planned to planned to set up a hair processing workshop in one of
the concentration camps. Further details as to the delivery of the
accumulated hair will follow.

The total monthly amount of male and female hair is to be reported to this
office on the 5th of every month beginning from September 5, 1942.

                                                  signed: Glucks
                                                  SS-Brigadefuhrer und
                                                  Generalmajor der Waffen-SS




Source:   Distel & Jakusch, _Concentration Camp Dachau 1933-1945_, p.137
          Ref. Plate 282 with translation.


> How could they propagandize on the one hand for
> mass extermination and on the other there being a German policy to
> protect the prisoners?

Because shaving KL prisoners' hair wasn'tr intended as a policy to improve
prisoners' health. 


[snip]

> Some early hair tales can have the hair being cut off before gassings
> and some can have it after. The tales about it being cut off after
> gassings would conflict with the more documented facts that it was cut
> off when the prisoners first arrived at camps and this is what is
> projected in later accounts.


Subject: Re: "..they lived right inside the gas chambers." 
Author: Michael P. Stein
Email: mstein@access2.digex.net
Date: 1996/02/10
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    The hair question is resolved by the statement of Sonderkommando member 
Alter Fajnzylberg, which can be found on p. 124 of Pressac's "Auschwitz: 
Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers."  Fajnzylberg was one of the 
very few surviving SK members to have been in Auschwitz from near the very 
beginning.  And he tells us there were indeed changes in procedure.  

    Fajnzylberg made a point of mentioning that when the massive shipments 
of Hungarians started arriving in the spring/summer of 1944, they were not 
shaved.  (My hypothesis is that there were simply too many to allow this to 
be done.)  His exact words:

     "I believe I must add that the Hungarian Jews who were gassed in 1944 
     entered the gas chambers without having their hair shaved."

His explict mention of time carries a logical implication: that because he 
carefully noted that certain _specific_ victims were not shaved, he intends 
to draw a distinction between these victims and the earlier ones.  He does 
not explicitly say what that distinction is, but there is a very natural 
and obvious first choice: the earlier ones _were_ shaved.  This is based on 
the normal rules of communication where people are somewhat lazy - they will 
not bother to go through things which they expect a good-faith listener to 
be able to pick up by implication.
 
    Using the normal rules of reading and interpreting text, this witness is 
therefore telling us that things started out one way with the hair and ended 
up another.  So if there is one witness who says "shaved" and another who 
says "not shaved," this third witness explains how they may both be giving 
true and accurate accounts of what they saw.  They only _seem_ to contradict 
each other.  Although there is not anything explicit in the testimony to 
indicate the time, you now have a source external to the two apparently 
contradictory accounts that warns you of the possibility that they _could_, 
at least, be from different times, and so you cannot _definitely_ conclude 
they are contradictory. 


    Here is one other excerpt from his statement:

    "At Birkenau, the Sonderkommando was locked up during the arrival of the 
    victims and their entry into the gas chamber.

    "This rule was not however always applied."

He says that locking up was usually done, but there were exceptions.  Again, 
the SS were not perfectly consistent from day to day....

 

Source: 

http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=138930750&CONTEXT=914822555.360382466&hitnum=13&AH=1

[snip]

Moron is, as far as I can determine, an anti-Semite engaged in blatant and
offensive anti-Semitism, Nazi apologia, and Holocaust denial. Moron
generally conducts himself with such a complete lack of intellectual and
factual integrity that there seems to be no point in taking the time to
read and respond other than to point out his vile behavior. For detailed
and documented evidence of this, please peruse DejaNews and visit the
Nizkor Project at:

http://www.dejanews.com/
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom

But what else should one expect from a lying anti-Semite who holds wacko
beliefs, is intellectually depraved, hasn't the slightest clue regarding
Supreme Court decisions, or what constitutes a dud at the  box-office? For
evidence of this please see:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/lies
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/1996/what-moran-believes.9607
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/lies/hilberg-out-of-context
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/moran-menorah-faq
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/moran-schindler-faq


Mark

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