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References: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Organization: The Holocaust History Project http://www.holocaust-history.org/http://www.holocaust-history.org/ X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Lines: 270 Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:54:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 22.214.171.124 X-Complaints-To: email@example.com X-Trace: news.rdc1.sfba.home.com 926535249 126.96.36.199 (Wed, 12 May 1999 11:54:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:54:09 PDT Xref: hub.org alt.revisionism:466839 In article <firstname.lastname@example.org>, email@example.com (tom moran) wrote: [snip] > ...Like Zyklon B being found and > identified as the agent of mass extermination. According to Rudolf Höß, the commandant of Auschwitz: ..While I was away on camp-related business, Captain Fritzsch, on his own initiative, employed a gas for the killing of these Russian POWs. He crammed the Russians into individual cells in the basement [of Block 11] and while using gas masks he thre the Cyclon B gas into the cells, thereby causing their immediate deaths. The gas called Cyclon B was supplied by the firm of Tesch and Stabenow and was used constantly for insect and rodent control. We always had a large supply of gas canisters available. At first only employees of the firm Tesch and Stabenow handled this poison gas, a prussic acid preparation, under the strictest safety measures. Later on some members of the Medical Coprs were trained at the firm to carry out disinfection procedures, and it was these medics who then carried out disinfection and pest control. During Eichmann's next visit I reported all this to him, about how the Cyclon B was used, and we decided that for the future mass annihilations we would use this gas." (_Death Dealer_, pp.29-30.) Sounds like Höß and Eichmann, based on the results of Fritzsch's "experiment," decided that homicidal gassing with Zyklon B would be used as the method of mass murder at Auschwitz. > Camps were constantly > under a persistent siege from Thyphus which was carried and > transmitted by body lice. And which, by employing a few basic sanitation measures like regular bathing and clean clothes and bedding, is easily controlled. Yet the Nazis never employed these basic santitaion measures. Why? Could it be that the Auschwitz SS really didn't give a hoot if prisoners came down with typhus? Fancy that. > The Germans were very dilligent on the > matter of health Their _own_ health, yes, which was why prisoners who came into regular contact with the Auschwitz SS -i.e. office clerks and Sonderkommando, enjoyed a higher standard of living than the average prisoner. Other than that the Auschwitz SS were criminally negligent about the health of their prisoners. > and on entering camps the prisoners hair was shaved > off to eliminate that format for lice to exist... The prisoners' hair was shaved so that it could be put to "industrial" uses. According to Pohl's February 6, 1943, report on the textile _Aktion_ up to that time, 3 tons of women's hair had been collected. According to Dr. Andrzej Strzlecki, of the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum, "in instructions issued on January 4 and 11, 1943, the administrative authorities of 11 concentration camps were directed to deliver the hair to the following German firms: Alex Zink Filzfabrik AG in Roth, near Nuremberg; Paul Reinmann in Mieroszow, in the Sudenten (Freidland Bez. Breslau); and Färberi Forst AG, in Forst on the Luzycka Nysa (Neisse) River. One kg (2.2. pounds) of hair was worth 0.50 Reichmark (RM; about $1.09)." (Cf. Hilberg, _Destruction_, p.615; Gutman, _Anatomy_, p.260.) See also memo regarding "Use of hair cuttings" below. > be transported and > communicated to the camp populations. Perhaps Moron would then explain why the hair of the women (and not the men) who were immediately gassed on arrival was cut off? Obviously, since they were not going to enter the camp, why would the Nazis want to cut, wash, store their hair for health reasons? > The Soviets could very well > have, even probably did stumble onto some stores of hair, Photographs taken upon the liberation of Auschwitz show, for example, quanties of women's hair, as well as bolts of cloth made from human hair, were found at Auschwitz. Additionally, Hilberg writes that the "Soviet investigation commission" found "seven tons of hair" in the tannery at Auschwitz. (Cf. Sweibocka, _Auschwitz: a history in photographs_, pp.162,211; Hilberg, _Destruction_, p.615, 632.) > though most > off it was probably incinerated as extra precaution against > infestation. It is worth noting that amount of hair shaved from the Hungarian Jews deported to Auschwitz during Aktion Höß would have come to about 21,400 kg. That only 6,900 kg were found when the camp was liberated implies that the other 14,500 kg were shipped from Auschwitz. According to Dr. Andrzej Strzlecki, of the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum, 11 concentration camps, including Auschwitz, were directed to deliver the hair to German firms. Given this is was therefore likely that the "missing" 14,500 kg of hair from Aktion Höß was shipped to German firms for industrial use. (Cf, Gutman, _Anatomy_, p.260.) > With this shaving of hair being such a widely known practice the > fabricators of the emerging story couldn't let it stand as being for > health purposes lest it diminish the credibility of the developing > extermination story. The shaving of KL prisoners' hair wasn't for health purposes. It was so the hair could be made into "industrial felt or spun into yarn" etc. and to help make it easier to identify escaped prisoners: SS-Wirtschaftsverwaltungshauptamt Oranienburg, August 6. 1942 Amtsgruppe D - Concentration Camps D II 288 Ma./Ha. Tgb. 112 geh. SECRET! Copy 13 Re: Use of hair cuttings To the Commandants of the Concentration Camps Arb., Au., Bu., Da., Flo., Gr.Ro., Lu., Maut/Gu., Na., Nie., Neu., Rav., Sahs., Stutth., Mor., SS SL Hinzert. SS Obergruppen fuhrer Pohl, Chief of the SS Wirtschafts-Verwaltungshauptamt has ordered that the hair of concentration camp prisoners is to be put to use. Hair is to be made into industrial felt or spun into yarn. Woman's hair is to be used in the manufacture of hair-yarn socks for 'U'-boat crews and hair-felt foot-wear for the Reichs-railway. It is therefore ordered that the hair of female prisoners be disinfected and stored. Men's hair can only be put to use if it is longer than 20 mm. SS Obergruppen fuhrer Pohl therefore agrees for an intial trial period to the growing of the prisoners hair to a length of 20 mm before it is cut. Long hair could facillitate escape and to avoid this the camp commandants may have a middle parting shaved in the prisoners' hair as a distinguishing mark, if they think it is necessary. It is planned to planned to set up a hair processing workshop in one of the concentration camps. Further details as to the delivery of the accumulated hair will follow. The total monthly amount of male and female hair is to be reported to this office on the 5th of every month beginning from September 5, 1942. signed: Glucks SS-Brigadefuhrer und Generalmajor der Waffen-SS Source: Distel & Jakusch, _Concentration Camp Dachau 1933-1945_, p.137 Ref. Plate 282 with translation. > How could they propagandize on the one hand for > mass extermination and on the other there being a German policy to > protect the prisoners? Because shaving KL prisoners' hair wasn'tr intended as a policy to improve prisoners' health. [snip] > Some early hair tales can have the hair being cut off before gassings > and some can have it after. The tales about it being cut off after > gassings would conflict with the more documented facts that it was cut > off when the prisoners first arrived at camps and this is what is > projected in later accounts. Subject: Re: "..they lived right inside the gas chambers." Author: Michael P. Stein Email: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: 1996/02/10 Forums: alt.revisionism Message-ID: <email@example.com> organization: The Nizkor Project references: <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> The hair question is resolved by the statement of Sonderkommando member Alter Fajnzylberg, which can be found on p. 124 of Pressac's "Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers." Fajnzylberg was one of the very few surviving SK members to have been in Auschwitz from near the very beginning. And he tells us there were indeed changes in procedure. Fajnzylberg made a point of mentioning that when the massive shipments of Hungarians started arriving in the spring/summer of 1944, they were not shaved. (My hypothesis is that there were simply too many to allow this to be done.) His exact words: "I believe I must add that the Hungarian Jews who were gassed in 1944 entered the gas chambers without having their hair shaved." His explict mention of time carries a logical implication: that because he carefully noted that certain _specific_ victims were not shaved, he intends to draw a distinction between these victims and the earlier ones. He does not explicitly say what that distinction is, but there is a very natural and obvious first choice: the earlier ones _were_ shaved. This is based on the normal rules of communication where people are somewhat lazy - they will not bother to go through things which they expect a good-faith listener to be able to pick up by implication. Using the normal rules of reading and interpreting text, this witness is therefore telling us that things started out one way with the hair and ended up another. So if there is one witness who says "shaved" and another who says "not shaved," this third witness explains how they may both be giving true and accurate accounts of what they saw. They only _seem_ to contradict each other. Although there is not anything explicit in the testimony to indicate the time, you now have a source external to the two apparently contradictory accounts that warns you of the possibility that they _could_, at least, be from different times, and so you cannot _definitely_ conclude they are contradictory. Here is one other excerpt from his statement: "At Birkenau, the Sonderkommando was locked up during the arrival of the victims and their entry into the gas chamber. "This rule was not however always applied." He says that locking up was usually done, but there were exceptions. Again, the SS were not perfectly consistent from day to day.... Source: http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=138930750&CONTEXT=914822555.360382466&hitnum=13&AH=1 [snip] Moron is, as far as I can determine, an anti-Semite engaged in blatant and offensive anti-Semitism, Nazi apologia, and Holocaust denial. Moron generally conducts himself with such a complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that there seems to be no point in taking the time to read and respond other than to point out his vile behavior. For detailed and documented evidence of this, please peruse DejaNews and visit the Nizkor Project at: http://www.dejanews.com/ http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom But what else should one expect from a lying anti-Semite who holds wacko beliefs, is intellectually depraved, hasn't the slightest clue regarding Supreme Court decisions, or what constitutes a dud at the box-office? For evidence of this please see: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/lies http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/1996/what-moran-believes.9607 http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/lies/hilberg-out-of-context http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/moran-menorah-faq http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/moran-schindler-faq Mark -- "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but right through every human heart--and all human hearts." -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
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