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DEPORTATION AND EXTERMINATION OF THE HUNGARIAN JEWS
by Carlo Mattogno 

1) The New Thesis of Jean-Claude Pressac:

In the section headed The Extermination of Hungarian Jews in our study, 
Auschwitz: The End of a Legend (pp. 31-32), we demonstrated that the Pressac 
thesis maintaining mass extermination of Hungarian Jews at Auschwitz is 
historically unfounded based upon two arguments:

1) The material impossibility of carrying out actual cadaver- cremations of 
such alleged masses of homicidally gassed persons.
and:
2) The Allied aerial reconnaissance photographs of 31 May 1944 which do not 
reveal any extermination activity.

Our reasoning must have impressed Pressac (1) because now he presents a 
radical revision of his thesis on pages 169 to 173 of Le macchine dello 
sterminio,(2) which does not purport to be a revised edition, but merely 
that it is supposed to be an Italian language translation of his original 
French language book, Les Crmatoires d'Auschwitz: La machinerie du meuertre 
de masse. But it IS different. Realizing the material impossibility of an 
extermination of 292,000 Hungarian Jews, as he had previously maintained, 
Pressac now has sought to salvage the extermination principle by reducing 
the number of Jews deported to Auschwitz from Hungary. In this regard, he 
affirms as follows:
The reports of Lieutenant Colonel Laszlo Ferenczy of the Hungarian Police 
indicate that from 15 May to 8 July 1944, 148 convoys containing 483,000 (3) 
Jews were deported from Hungary with an average of 3,000 persons per convoy. 
The scheduled destination: Auschwitz, according to a telegram of 24 April to 
German diplomat Edmund Veesenmayer. Routinely mentioned as destinations of 
the Hungarian Jews: labor camps situated within the territory of the Reich 
and subject to the authority of the Reichsfhrer SS (according to Ritter); 
Upper Silesia, and the General Gouvernement (according to Eberhard von 
Thadden). 
We would like to point out that the reports of Lieutenant Colonel Laszlo 
Ferenczy refer to deportation of 434,351 Jews in 147 trains, (4) not of 
438,000 in 148 trains. 

Then Pressac outlines the following status quaestionis [position]:
In the first Calendar of Auschwitz which Danuta Czech published in 1964, are 
recorded 91 convoys from Hungary which had reached Auschwitz between 2 May 
and 18 October 1944 (limit dates).
It was estimated then that the 480,000 (5) deportees indicated by Ferenczy 
had actually arrived at Auschwitz, but that the number of convoys was less, 
and their load greater (4,800 per train). The Auschwitz Museum prefers not 
to give an explanation as to the gap between the two durations of 
deportations of approximately two months according to Ferenczy, compared to 
four months claimed by them [the Auschwitz Museum]. Since only about 28,000 
Jews, both men and women, were registered at Auschwitz, the other 410,000 
were considered homicidally gassed; signifying that 94% of the deportees 
were liquidated upon arrival, and that only 6% were selected as capable for 
work (percentages offered by researcher G. Wellers in 1983). For 25 years 
these figures have been spread around the world and accepted as certainties.
In the 2nd Kalendarium by Danuta Czech published by Rohwolt in 1989, no 
longer is there any more mention of 53 Hungarian convoys arriving at 
Auschwitz between 2 May and 11 July 1944. About 40 convoys have disappeared. 
This "evaporation" explains with a misconception, the so-called "selection" 
among the Hungarian Jews at Auschwitz, which is revealed from documents 
discovered in the Arolsen Center.
The reception of a convoy at Birkenau proceeded as follows: the unloading of 
arrivees at the "ramp"; the separation into two columns, one of women and 
children; the other of men. Selection was carried out by one or two SS 
medical doctors functioning near the center of the platform after the two 
columns were divided into four columns: two of women and children, and two 
of men. Those unable to work went ahead in function of availability toward 
Crematories II, III, or V, and [were] liquidated. The able men and women 
were either immediately registered and interned in Auschwitz (especially the 
men); or transferred as soon as possible to other camps of the Reich without 
being registered; or finally-for the men and the women- thrust into the camp 
sectors of Birkenau, the BIII (Durchgangslager) and the BIIc (camp of the 
Hungarian Jews); always without being registered. Whenever the Auschwitz 
work office needed manpower, or received a request from the outside, the 
select registered workers were directed to the work Kommandos of the camp or 
elsewhere, from the Jews of BIII and BIIc. It is these internal and external 
transfers that took place after 11 July (the end of deportations of 
Hungarians to Auschwitz), which caused the erroneous belief that because of 
registration, the trains were still arriving from Hungary. (pp. 170, 171).
2) The Pressac Basis for his New Thesis: 

In the first German edition of the Auschwitz Kalendarium (6) there are 91 
convoys of Jews coming from Hungary between 2 May and 18 October 1944, which 
resulted in a total registration of 29,159 people. (7) As far as the destiny 
of the non-registered people, the Kalendarium invariably states: "Die 

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6) Number of Hungarian Jews who arrived at Auschwitz in May 1944. 

The report of Lieutenant Colonel Laszlo Ferenczy dated 29 May 1944 states 
that from the beginning of the deportation until midnight on 28 May 1944, 
there were 184,049 Jews deported to Auschwitz from Hungary in 58 trains. 
(29) As the first convoys had left on 15 May, the deportation took place 
within fourteen days. If we apply Pressac's "rule", out of 184,049 
deportees, approximately 122,700 persons were unable to work, and as such 
were homicidally gassed. Since the first convoys which had left on 15 May 
arrived at Auschwitz on 17 May, (30) and if the duration of the journey was 
two days, then 184,049 deported Hungarian Jews arrived at Auschwitz within a 
period of 14 days, between 17 May and 30 May. The average number of alleged 
homicidally gassed people would then be (122,700 / 14 =) 8,764 per day. If, 
on the contrary, the last deportations arrived at Auschwitz on 31 May, the 
average number of presumed homicidally gassed persons, would be 8,180 per 
day. 

7) The Aerial Reconnaissance Photographs of 31 May 1944: 

Jean-Claude Pressac bases his case on three presuppositions:

a) On 30 May, 1944, only one convoy of Hungarian Jews arrived at Birkenau 
(1,000 able and 2,000 unable to work). On 31 May, two convoys arrived (2,000 
able and 4,000 unable to work).
b) The photographs taken on 31 May show only six or seven cars on the ramp, 
so the above-mentioned convoys had not yet arrived.
c) Aerial reconnaissance photographs show that a cremation is taking place 
in one of the three pits measuring 3.5 by 15 meters in the Crematory V 
courtyard.

Let's analyze these presuppositions, one at a time:

a) The existing documents allow us to trace the deportation of the Hungarian 
Jews to Auschwitz at the end of May 1944, according to the following table:

DATE.......................................... 25 May 1944
Number of Deportees.........................138,870 (31)
Total Number of Trains................................44
Partial Number of Deportees........................./ 
Average Daily Number of Deportees............/
Partial Number of Trains................................/

DATE........................................... 28 May 1944
Number of Deportees..........................184,049 (32)
Total Number of Trains.................................58
Partial Number of Deportees................45,179 
Average Daily Number of Deportees...15,060
Partial Number of Trains..............................14

DATE........................................... 31 May 1944 
Number of Deportees..........................217,236 (33)
Total Number of Trains.................................69
Partial Number of Deportees................33,187 
Average Daily Number of Deportees...11,062
Partial Number of Trains...............................11

As for the Hungarian Jews who arrived at Auschwitz on 31 May 1944, there are 
two possibilities:

1) If the journey lasted from one to three days, on 31 May, three or four 
convoys arrived at Auschwitz which had departed on May 28, 29, or 30; so the 
number of deportees is 9,051 (34) (three convoys) or 12,068 (35) (four 
convoys).

2) If the journey lasted from four to six days (less probable hypothesis), 
on 31 May, four or five convoys arrived, and they had departed on the 26th, 
27th or 28th; so the number of the deportees calculates to 12,908 (36) (four 
convoys) or 16,135 (37) (five convoys).

As to the 29th, 30th, and 31st of May, a total of eleven convoys had left 
Hungary; three on one day, and four on the other two days. With the 
hypothesis that the duration of the journey has been one or three days, if 
on 31 May, three convoys arrived (9,051 deportees); on 30 May, four arrived 
(12,908 deportees), and vice-versa. In the hypothesis that the journey 
lasted more than three days, the number of deportee arrivals on 30 May and 
on 31 May would be much bigger.

In conclusion, either on 30 May approximately 12,900 deportees arrived and 
on 31 May approximately 9,050 arrived; or on 30 May approximately 9,050 
deportees arrived and on 31 May approximately 12,900 arrived.

b) After clearing this point, we go to Pressac's second presupposition. He 
states that the two aerial photographs of 31 May 1944 were taken at around 9 
to 10 A.M., which is very probable because the shadows of the chimneys of 
the crematories face North-West with a 315 degree angle. Also the presence 
of seven cars on the Birkenau ramp is an exact observation (but on the old 
ramp there are at least eight trains, and nine or ten trains in the 
Auschwitz station). But all this does not rule out that the convoys had 
arrived during the night or early in the morning, and that they had already 
left. Let's remember that according to Lieutenant Colonel Ferenczy, the 
convoys will continue their journey just after assignment selection at the 
Birkenau ramp.

That problem is nevertheless not essential. The really serious problems are 
the following: 

1) How would it have been technically possible to homicidally gas and 
cremate 122,700 people in not more than fifteen days in facilities that 
could have cremated no more than a maximum of (1,400 * 15 =) 21,000 
cadavers?

2) How could it have been technically possible to homicidally gas and 
cremate no less than (9,050 * 2/3 =) 6,000 people on about the 30th of May 
1944 with facilities which in one day could just cremate a maximum of 1,400 
cadavers?

3) Why in the aerial photographs of 31 May 1944, is there no trace of 
cremation of the remaining (6,000 - 1,400 =) 4,600 cadavers?

4) If the story of extermination were true, the Birkenau facilities should 
have had a cremation capacity not less than 10,000 cadavers per day 
(two-thirds of the deportees arrived at Auschwitz with convoys which had 
left Hungary on 26, 27, and 28 May, 1944). So in the aerial photographs of 
31 May, the alleged "cremation pits" ought to be visible, with an area of 
approximately 2,800 square meters (calculated according to the declaration 
by Filip Mller). But there is no trace of them at all!

The small column of smoke rising from the courtyard near Crematory V which 
appears in the aerial photographs of May 31, 1944 is consistent with outside 
trash incineration in an open-air container where lower level combustion air 
is able to enter; we know of no aerial photographic evidence of pit 
incineration, where burning would have been very slow because of poor air 
circulation.

And this brings us to Jean-Claude Pressac's last presupposition: the 
presence, in those photographs, of three "cremation pits" measuring 3.5  15 
meters, and of one such pit in which a cremation is taking place. Where did 
Pressac see these? We wait with confidence that he publish these two 
pictures. But why did he not present them in his book Le macchine dello 
sterminio? And with the exact indication of:
 three "cremation pits" of 52.5 square meters each;
 approximately 100 cubic meters of soil extracted from pits and piled up 
next to each pit on an area at least equal to that of these alleged pits;
 250 to 500 tons of wood piled up as cadaver cremation fuel for the 
cremation of the cadavers of the alleged homicidally gassed from 31 May; 
piles equal to approximately 550 to 1,100 cubic meters, and of an area 
approximately 220 to 440 square meters (assuming the height of a pile of 2.5 
meters);
 the exact location of a "cremation pit" with smoke;
 the exact location of where there is a "cremation pit" of 30 square 
meters, and another one of 20 square meters in the area of Bunker 2.
It is clear that we are challenging Jean-Claude Pressac.

-- 
Jeff
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