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         Nazi Conspiracy & Aggression, Supplement B
                 XXIV. Walter Schellenberg*
Negotiations for Evacuation of Jews in Return for Asylum for
                         High Nazis
                              
     Excerpts from Testimony of Walter Schellenberg,
     taken at Nurnberg, Germany, 13 November 1945, 1030-
     1215, by Lt. Col. Smith W. Brookhart, Jr., IGD.
     Also present: Gladys Picklesimer, Reporter; John
     Albert, Interpreter.
     
* Walter Schellenberg was Chief of Amt VI (Foreign Political
Intelligence Service) and Amt Mil (Military Bureau) of the
RSHA, with the rank of Brigadefuehrer (Brig. Gen.). He also
held the title of General of Police and Waffen SS. See
Affidavit D, vol. VIII, p. 622.]

                                                 [Page 1622]
                                                            
A. On the 10th of April 1945 when a certain Mr. Musy visited
me in Berlin, he told me that the concentration camp
Buchenwald had actually been evacuated, which was contrary
to assurances given him by Himmler. Thereupon I phoned on
the one hand Himmler, and on the other hand I discussed this
matter at lunch with Kaltenbrunner.  Kaltenbrunner stated,
however, that this was done on a directive of Hitler, and
that this camp had to be evacuated on his order, and Group
Leader Mueller added "You, Kaltenbrunner, told me already
three or four days earlier that I should evacuate the Jews
from this camp to the south." then Kaltenbrunner said, "Yes,
yes, that's correct. Besides, there is a general directive
of Hitler to the effect that all camps should be evacuated,
and that especially Jews should be regarded as hostages and
brought to the south." Then he said, turning towards me,
"There are still enough people remaining in the camp so that
you can console Mr. Musy with that."

Q. Musy was the former President of Switzerland?

A. No. He was the son of the former President of
Switzerland.

Q. And his mission was to have as many Jews evacuated to
Switzerland as possible?

A. Yes.

Q. And what had been the arrangement or agreement that
Himmler was interested in?

A. Himmler first gave the assurance that in February 1,200
Jews would be sent to Switzerland by train, and that from
then on every two weeks another train should be sent to
Switzerland.

I had to organize the whole thing, but suddenly a stop
occurred, and we were threatened with the death penalty for
every Jew who crossed the Reich frontier, and this was done
on the basis of an order by Hitler.

This order was given after a code message of the deGaulle
office in Spain to an office in Paris was intercepted and
decoded, which said that Mr. Musy and a representative of
Himmler were in negotiations with a Jewish organization for
the purpose of evacuating all Jews living in Germany, and
that the price for it, so to speak, would be the right of
asylum for about 250 Nazi leaders.

Himmler furthermore gave the assurance to Mr. Musy, after
Hitler had forbidden further transfers of Jews, that no
concentration camp would be evacuated, and Musy was
instructed by Himmler to inform the Allied Western Powers
officially of this second agreement. And with this official
instruction Mr. Musy left Berlin on April 7.


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